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<v Speaker 1>It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for

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<v Speaker 1>ignition with the a W fat Hub podcast team. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got a few things we want to talk about tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna start with Shane. But before we go to Shane,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Kelson.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is Shane Kelson. I wanted to cover what

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<v Speaker 2>we discussed the last Wednesday, the little little news break

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<v Speaker 2>that we did for the Toyhio things. So I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to I wanted to clarify something we had been the

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<v Speaker 2>community itself. The pot had been reposted and got some

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<v Speaker 2>really good traffic. But I had made the claim that

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<v Speaker 2>Lucasaurus and sky Blue had you know, you know, are

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<v Speaker 2>are ready to come back, because you know, I had

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to speak to them at toy Ohio, and

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to clarify a point that had been made

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<v Speaker 2>just because they had been cleared by their own personal

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<v Speaker 2>doctors and they are ready to come back. What they

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<v Speaker 2>had now I had said, they both said the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>waiting on creative right. That doesn't mean that they are

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<v Speaker 2>yet to have been cleared by Doc Samson or aw

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<v Speaker 2>medical so but you know, we got a really good

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<v Speaker 2>response from that. You know, podcast. The information turned out

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<v Speaker 2>to be tight, So yeah, I mean, do you have

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I have something that I wanted to bring up because

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<v Speaker 1>at one of the subreddits where it was posted as well,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody shared because shawnrod Sap Shawnross Sap actually saw what

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<v Speaker 1>we had posted and went with it and did some

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<v Speaker 1>of his own digging on this, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the subreddits in different areas of the internet wrestling community

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<v Speaker 1>on the Internet took it and posted it themselves. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that was really prevalent was people saying,

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<v Speaker 1>who the flubb is Shane d So tell us Shane, who.

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<v Speaker 2>The flubb are you? That's a very good quote. Who

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<v Speaker 2>the hell is Shandy? And I'm just a dude. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just a dude that likes to talk to people and

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<v Speaker 2>ask weird questions and do wrestling podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Though you're a stalker.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, oh my gosh, Well that was probably not

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<v Speaker 4>right to say, because as you know, uh like rear

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<v Speaker 4>Ripley made a post from WWE saying that please don't

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<v Speaker 4>send me mail, you know, or come to my house.

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<v Speaker 4>And Asuka has also had some run ins with fans,

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm not I don't want to make light of stalkers,

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<v Speaker 4>even though Shane is obviously one and I am too,

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<v Speaker 4>and so is everybody here.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to hear what are everybody's thoughts. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>Sky Blue and Lucasaurus are on the look well, they're

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<v Speaker 1>closer to coming back than they're not coming back. And

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<v Speaker 1>from what Sean ross Sapp said, it looks like sky

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<v Speaker 1>was actually closer than Lucasaurus to coming back. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it a little bit last week. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>know what you think maybe is in their creative we

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<v Speaker 1>Shane said, their waiting on creative. What's creat what's creative

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<v Speaker 1>going to give them? What do you see? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>anything interesting? Or did he just kind of fall right

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<v Speaker 1>back into what they were doing before.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think so well with Scott Blue. I can

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<v Speaker 5>see her going back to being on with Julia, but

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think I think he's been gone for too

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<v Speaker 5>long for Lucasaurus to make any sense or kill switch

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<v Speaker 5>to make any sense. Going back into the patriarchy, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>I think they've moved on from him being part of it.

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<v Speaker 5>I could see him getting involved to the point of

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<v Speaker 5>interfering or causing the patriarchy some issues, but I don't

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<v Speaker 5>see him becoming a member again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's not I have to to rop you here.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is tonight, but your voice

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<v Speaker 1>sounds soul, sultry. Thank you. I mean, I'm martening over

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<v Speaker 1>here right now. My nipples are so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>From this podcast, one of them. Kelson, Come on, dude, Harry.

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to be honest when I say that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I've done who who who else has some thoughts onlu I.

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<v Speaker 6>Like with how this has been going, it's a like

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<v Speaker 6>with what we've what we've heard from all this, and

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<v Speaker 6>what we can gain from this is an insight into

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<v Speaker 6>behind the scenes process of a w because I feel

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<v Speaker 6>like we don't see enough of that to understand what's

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<v Speaker 6>going on. And now that we've heard this whole situation

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<v Speaker 6>with Lucasaurus and sky Blue, it's like, oh, suddenly some

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<v Speaker 6>things make more sense now. So aaw creative not having

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<v Speaker 6>any plans for them at the moment, maybe some insight

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<v Speaker 6>into the fact that maybe they do have backup plans,

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<v Speaker 6>which is kind of important, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>Like twenty twenty two, they didn't have any backup plans.

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<v Speaker 6>It got real bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's you know, let me eruptously because I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you this. Could it be possible that the

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<v Speaker 1>reason AW doesn't have backup plans or creative plans for

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<v Speaker 1>Lucasaurus and sky Blues because AW hasn't cleared them yet,

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<v Speaker 1>Why would they do creative for somebody they haven't cleared.

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<v Speaker 1>Once they get cleared, they're gonna I'm sure they have

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<v Speaker 1>something in mind. I kind of doubt that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>have something in mind for for Lucasaurus and sky Blue,

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<v Speaker 1>because hey, when they're when they return, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>big news.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, that that is really good.

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<v Speaker 6>That is a good point that, you know, the whole

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<v Speaker 6>not being cleared by AW doctors or AW creative or anything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>that is a factor into consideration. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just trying to point out the whole fact that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, we're getting some insight into kind of how

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<v Speaker 6>AW works. I'm just glad that it seems like when

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<v Speaker 6>a star goes down, they have a backup plan for

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<v Speaker 6>whoever they were working with or something down the road

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<v Speaker 6>that they can eventually come back to, you know what

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, Because as you said, they have something, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>so Lucasaurus in Sky Lou they're gonna come back to something.

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<v Speaker 6>They've had plans, but then when they went down, they

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<v Speaker 6>got backup plans ready for other stars to take up

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<v Speaker 6>the time slots, and that's what I'm happy to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who else has some thoughts? Does anybody have any

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<v Speaker 1>specific thoughts about exactly what you think they may do?

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, let's fantasy book the hell out of.

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<v Speaker 8>This when comes back, I want to completely, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>just drive the fact that the patriarchy is dead. I

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<v Speaker 8>want to put Jericho right in the head.

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<v Speaker 1>You can say, flop, I did anybody else?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So to your point Kelson on the clearance and

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<v Speaker 7>that the creative thing, it's hard to have created plans

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<v Speaker 7>for people when you don't necessarily know when they're going

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<v Speaker 7>to come back. So it makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 7>It's easy to your point that they are moving on

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<v Speaker 7>to their current program, and you can't always just slide

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<v Speaker 7>somebody in as soon as they're available. Some stars, it

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<v Speaker 7>makes sense if it's available or not. But bof Source

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<v Speaker 7>has been out long enough that you want to bring

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<v Speaker 7>him back the right way. I did a post on

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<v Speaker 7>the thread and I put on Blue Sky and how

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<v Speaker 7>I would fantasy book his return and it ties it

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<v Speaker 7>right into the storylines going on right now with Copeland

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<v Speaker 7>and the Death Writers and the patriarchy. My view, you

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<v Speaker 7>somehow get him involved in the end of the match

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<v Speaker 7>where I would fantasy book with Christian cashes in when

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<v Speaker 7>Mox or Copeland looks like they are gonna lose, it

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<v Speaker 7>doesn't happen, and more shenanigans. Once it's a triple threat,

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<v Speaker 7>it's a no DQ. You can throw in whatever interference

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<v Speaker 7>you want, So it makes sense. Right when it looks

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<v Speaker 7>like Christian's going to be pin, Lucasaurus's music hits, he returns,

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<v Speaker 7>he defeats whoever's standing over him, and then he turns

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<v Speaker 7>and maybe he pulls mox over ideally onto Christian for

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<v Speaker 7>the pin or whatever, and he's standing over over Christian's

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<v Speaker 7>dead body, and everyone's left guessing, does that mean he's

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<v Speaker 7>joining the Death Writers? Does that mean he's out of

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<v Speaker 7>the patriarchy? What are you going to do there? So

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<v Speaker 7>now he's interesting because people are going to want to

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<v Speaker 7>know what is his angle, what's he doing? You bring

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<v Speaker 7>him back with a little bit of excitement as opposed

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<v Speaker 7>to just having him show up and choke slamming somebody.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know if that ties in creative, but if

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<v Speaker 7>you're going to bring back a star like Lucasaurus, put

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<v Speaker 7>him in something significant that gives some juice to it,

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<v Speaker 7>more than just a return into choke slam or having

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<v Speaker 7>somebody's back. Give it something significant. So you've got a

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<v Speaker 7>little meat potatoes and there's something to get your teeth

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<v Speaker 7>into that leaves people wanting a little bit more. They

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<v Speaker 7>want to turn in on Wednesday to understand what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>What he did. I brought this up last week, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be ask you in your scenario where Lucasaurus dead

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<v Speaker 1>turns and he's going to basically if he turns, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be with the patriarchy at he work? Correct?

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<v Speaker 9>Correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you go ahead? Go ahead? This is my question

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<v Speaker 1>to you because I brought this up last week. Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Perry is old partner in Jurassic Expresses out there why

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<v Speaker 1>they were one of the the most successful.

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<v Speaker 7>And if you're trying to rebuild the tag program, there

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<v Speaker 7>you go. And so with him coming in in the

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<v Speaker 7>main event too, so you're left with there's always the

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<v Speaker 7>seat of him turning on Christian because how many times

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<v Speaker 7>is Christian screw Booch source over. It's a natural thing

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<v Speaker 7>for him to turn We've all been waiting on it.

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<v Speaker 7>So pull the trigger on his return.

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<v Speaker 9>Why wait?

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<v Speaker 1>Pull the trigger?

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<v Speaker 7>He gets something significant in a main event, title scene,

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<v Speaker 7>title match that's getting everybody talking. So now we have

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<v Speaker 7>a reason to tune on Wednesday to find out why.

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<v Speaker 8>And going along with that, like I said, with him

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<v Speaker 8>turning on Christian, I think they should put they should

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<v Speaker 8>somehow put put the briefcase on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>In the match Christian versus.

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<v Speaker 8>Then Lucasaurs wins the case off of Christian, and then

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<v Speaker 8>when Lucasource beats cashes in, I guess, on Maxoi, then

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<v Speaker 8>you have a face champion right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the only problem I have with that, Max, The

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<v Speaker 1>only problem I have with that is, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a different case. Right Well, I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the briefcase. I'm talking about the situation with Lucasaurus.

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<v Speaker 1>He's coming back with from pneumonia in both lungs. I

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<v Speaker 1>am currently recuperating from pneumonia myself. Now, I am not

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<v Speaker 1>an athlete. I am significantly older than Lucasaurus. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the human years and dinosaur years. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>But but my point is is that it's no joke.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tough. I mean, if I exert myself just a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, I feel like I am going to have

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<v Speaker 1>my lungs cramp up. So I can't imagine I and

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of considered it. My pneumonia was a mild case.

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<v Speaker 1>He almost I mean he almost died. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think they putting him in a tag tag

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<v Speaker 1>team where he could be somewhat protected and rested and

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<v Speaker 1>not have to over exert himself would be a good idea.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you just need to get in. You just need

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<v Speaker 7>to get in and be competing in a match right

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<v Speaker 7>off the bat. You can keep him involved without him

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<v Speaker 7>without him having to do anything. To your point, Kelson,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, recuperating your lungs is tough. He's gonna have

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<v Speaker 7>a little assistance in the external hormones. We all know

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<v Speaker 7>he takes him. He's a giant human being. That's not natural,

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<v Speaker 7>no harm, no foul there. It's part of the gig.

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<v Speaker 7>But for for him to be ring ready once he's

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<v Speaker 7>your point, Kelson, if they are looking to beef up

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<v Speaker 7>that tag team. What's Perry doing? You know, his heel

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<v Speaker 7>turn was fun, but I think it's it's course you

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<v Speaker 1>We said this last week Berry where with the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>only person Reaves exactly, the only person we've seen of

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<v Speaker 1>months is Kazuchika Okada. Yeah, I know it's Kazuka, but

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<v Speaker 7>I always just say Okada because I don'tant to strip

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, mentioning tag divisions and sharing them up. I think

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<v Speaker 3>for sky Blue, SHEI oughta team back up with Julia Hart.

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<v Speaker 9>They can have their own little like House.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell Hounds side team, and you know that's one women's

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<v Speaker 5>They also have the opportunity with her coming back and

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<v Speaker 5>being gone for a while for the effects of the

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<v Speaker 5>Black Mist, which is pretty much what turned her to

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<v Speaker 5>Julia side of wearing off and being no longer in things,

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<v Speaker 5>so you could actually have a nice little rivalry between

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they could face each other, but like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like mox and Danielson, where like we got

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<v Speaker 3>to bleed together first, you know, so they'll fight each

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<v Speaker 3>other and respect, because that's kind of what they're going

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<v Speaker 3>for with the Hounds of Hell, right, They're going for

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<v Speaker 3>what the House of Black kind of was trying to

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<v Speaker 3>make itself, where like we respect a good fight, we respect,

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<v Speaker 3>like when you push us to our limits, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to push you to your limits, push us to our limits.

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<v Speaker 9>Kind of like what.

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<v Speaker 3>The Death Riders are trying to convey. Not so successfully

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<v Speaker 3>in my opinion, but that's another topic for another day.

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<v Speaker 1>About that a little bit later on tonight. As a

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<v Speaker 7>A couple of weeks ago on the pod, I guess

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<v Speaker 7>it was a couple of months ago. We were talking

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<v Speaker 7>why she was losing so much, because, I mean, penelte

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<v Speaker 7>before she does jobs out there. That's part of her

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<v Speaker 7>role in the organization right now. And if you've got

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<v Speaker 7>Sky coming back, Sky was much more interesting when she

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<v Speaker 7>turned heel and had some of the Black Miss gimmick

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<v Speaker 7>and her dark side teaming with Julia. She was really

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<v Speaker 7>starting to put it together, getting over you know, with

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<v Speaker 7>the fans, I would like to see, you know, a

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<v Speaker 7>bad girls club. I think that's a good idea. They

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<v Speaker 7>don't have to even be a tag team, just a

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<v Speaker 7>female stable that matters as opposed to the stuff they've

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<v Speaker 7>tried in half asked you get her in there? Then

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<v Speaker 7>the story is now Penelope's got a little something. Now

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<v Speaker 7>it makes sense if she gets some wins because she's

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<v Speaker 7>got support. She's got a support system which she's never

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<v Speaker 7>really had. You got Sky, they can team up in tags.

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<v Speaker 7>You got a lot you can do with three ladies

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<v Speaker 7>that are just a bad girls club, and then they

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<v Speaker 7>can pull off the Hounds of Hell or whatever that

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<v Speaker 7>group is called. And you have a lot of different

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<v Speaker 7>things you can do with that. But but she's a talent.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's kind of orbiting a little loss in

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<v Speaker 7>that shuffle. And having her with with three and a

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<v Speaker 7>team of three strong performers like that, I think I

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<v Speaker 7>think it highlight all three of them clearly, with Julia

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<v Speaker 7>is the number one, but with Sky and complementary piece.

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<v Speaker 3>And having a group of four women, you add one more.

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<v Speaker 3>You got a group of five women, five five faces

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<v Speaker 3>to face off with them. We've got a women's blood

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<v Speaker 3>and guts got.

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<v Speaker 1>Look look at him showing off math.

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<v Speaker 9>There that I would watch that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Battle Royal was great.

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<v Speaker 7>They did really yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Real quick. Just want to get I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>have a big long discussion. I just want to get

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<v Speaker 1>a brief bullet point. Opinions about Penelope four that Barry

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<v Speaker 1>brought up. Oh, I personally think that she's above average.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that she's up there some of the moves

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<v Speaker 1>that she does. She's got good stamina, she's a terrific wrestler,

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<v Speaker 1>and people like her or hat which what appropriate? You know, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>she's definitely gonna be paired, looks like with Megan Bain

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<v Speaker 1>right now against thunder Rosa and Chris Statlander. But do

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<v Speaker 1>you guys feel the same way I do that peneloty

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<v Speaker 1>Ford is a talent that aw should I wouldn't say push,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least keep her out there and yeah, get

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<v Speaker 1>her a few weeks.

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<v Speaker 7>Feature is a good word yep feature feature?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, you know, like you said, she's got she's got

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<v Speaker 3>a fun move set, a very unique move set, and

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<v Speaker 3>she's got great stamina, and she's put on some hella

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<v Speaker 3>you know, hella good matches. She's been in a few

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<v Speaker 3>street fights that just you know, were phenomenal and and

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<v Speaker 3>uh yeah, she's fun when she does talk. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like you just give her a little more mic time,

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<v Speaker 3>give her a little more time and ring, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you could have a nice upper mid carter to challenge championships.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, she's got a great look too, She's got.

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<v Speaker 9>A great met her once.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to explore that look because I saw an

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<v Speaker 1>interview it's gotta been over a year ago now, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was an interview done with Julia Hart, and Julia

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<v Speaker 1>Hart said one of the things that's funny in the

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<v Speaker 1>locker room is that from behind she is constantly confused

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<v Speaker 1>with Penelopie Pidelop before the vice versa hind from behind

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<v Speaker 1>because you know they they don't have the same look

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<v Speaker 1>in the front, I guess is the best way to

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<v Speaker 1>put it. I believe Julia is significantly taller as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But my point is is that remember how we had

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<v Speaker 1>the lights go out and said it was revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>sky Blue took out Mercedes Monett. We could do something

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<v Speaker 1>like that story didn't go anywhere where. Yeah, Well, but

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying is is maybe we can do something

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<v Speaker 1>with that effect with Paelti Ford impersonating Julia Hart Earn

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. That may work.

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<v Speaker 10>Hey, speaking of Julia Hart, I want them to finish

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<v Speaker 10>that trilogy between her and Jamie Hayter, because I remember

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<v Speaker 10>at the end of that second match, Jamie Hayter said

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<v Speaker 10>to Pronect to Julia, like, Hey, anytime you want to

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<v Speaker 10>have that third match, I'm down, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 10>we didn't do anything with it, and me personally, I

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<v Speaker 10>was really enjoying that story so well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you got Jamie Hayter and Julia Hart. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they're two very likable, you know women in aw

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of wondering if Jamie Hayter isn't hurt again

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<v Speaker 1>or just need some time off or whatever. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but if it happens, I wouldn't be upset that they

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<v Speaker 1>pulled this off at U zero hour, because Jamie apparently

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<v Speaker 1>is a zero hour talent anymore. I don't get it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is what it is. He's zero hour, here's

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<v Speaker 1>zero hour. There the whole thing Penelope though.

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<v Speaker 5>The whole thing with Penelope though, is going to depend

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<v Speaker 5>on what to do with her and Meghan. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 5>that's established. They can't really I don't see them getting her.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, she's she's definitely improved over what she was

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<v Speaker 5>before she was hurt. I think the time off, even

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<v Speaker 5>though she was injured, it did her a lot of good.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, it's just I can see the things

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<v Speaker 5>that that that they could do with her. But I

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<v Speaker 5>think with this Megan Bain thing, they have to play

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<v Speaker 5>it out before they.

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<v Speaker 1>Do anything else.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, if there is going to be a women's

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<v Speaker 1>tag titles then you've got Megan Bain and Penelope for it.

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<v Speaker 1>That maybe why they put them together, just so that

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<v Speaker 1>they have a cohesive team right now. So, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I did want to bring something up flightful, Justine. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you remember last week when Megan Bain

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<v Speaker 1>had a match with Chris Statlander. There was a thunder

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<v Speaker 1>rosa appearance at a Penelope Ford appearance and very awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to call it a patch, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was very awkward standoff there where it didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 1>anybody knew what they were going to do. There were

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<v Speaker 1>posts about it on the internet, discussions about an aw

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<v Speaker 1>fan hub. A lot of people were saying that it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like Megan Bain and Penelope Ford went did the

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<v Speaker 1>business for himself. That was not the case, according to

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<v Speaker 1>Fiful Select. They said that it was absolutely revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>it was a miscommunication by the coaches and producers where Penelope,

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<v Speaker 1>Baine Ford and Statlander were supposed to be. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Statlander was where she was supposed to be, which was

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<v Speaker 1>flat on her back in the ring because she got squashed.

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<v Speaker 1>But they did say that the ladies got together in

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<v Speaker 1>the back and they have no problem working with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>So they absolutely did not go into business for themselves.

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<v Speaker 7>Who thought that they went into Like when I saw that,

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<v Speaker 7>to your point, Kelson, this just looked like people that

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<v Speaker 7>were not where they were supposed to be and weren't

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<v Speaker 7>sure what they needed to do. Like to me, it

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<v Speaker 7>looked like they expected bane and for the roll out

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<v Speaker 7>of the ring like we normally see. Yeah, the platform

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<v Speaker 7>was there, they couldn't because the way Rosa came out

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<v Speaker 7>and everyone was kind of stuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't the people.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think they went into business for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of people that were posting on

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<v Speaker 1>aw fandom that said that they went into business for themselves.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Having been some live productions that definitely just looked like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in those situations where like someone's not where

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<v Speaker 3>they're supposed to be or someone thought something, it happens,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know what, live TV, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 9>It adds to the realism.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I did. I did find onn Dellision when Roast

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<v Speaker 7>is like, I'm gonna him with the chair for real,

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<v Speaker 7>this time, I was thinking, you know that works.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, but when I saw that bit, my

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<v Speaker 1>my first impression and my impression right now as of today,

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<v Speaker 1>is that I do not think that Bane nor Ford

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<v Speaker 1>expected thunder Rosa to come in with a chair. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they just expect her to come in and do

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<v Speaker 1>a stare down and they would just kind of leave.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that they expected the chair to be introduced,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that's where a miscommunication came from.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, we've been asking for a while for like

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<v Speaker 10>women's tag team titles or something in that realm. I'm

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<v Speaker 10>wondering and maybe this is a bit of a stretch

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<v Speaker 10>and maybe just me thinking of featuring something that's not

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<v Speaker 10>actually there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm wondering if, like if.

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<v Speaker 10>This stretches out into like some type of tag team

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<v Speaker 10>feud not necessarily the revolution. But over a period of time,

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<v Speaker 10>could this lead to the introduction of women's tag team titles?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably hadn't we heard that there are supposedly belts that exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Net said that there were women's tag team belts

423
00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:28.039
<v Speaker 1>being designed for a W right now when she brought

424
00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:31.599
<v Speaker 1>that out about three weeks ago or two weeks ago.

425
00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:34.920
<v Speaker 1>But you don't want let's move out, Shane, What do

426
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<v Speaker 1>you want to talk about next?

427
00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:40.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we got some really sweet reporting of Speedball

428
00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Mike Bailey uh clearing up his visas so he's ready

429
00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:46.200
<v Speaker 2>to be full time with the AW.

430
00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:54.839
<v Speaker 9>Yes, I love speedball so much.

431
00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:59.720
<v Speaker 7>Why we didn't see him his packages before because they

432
00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:01.240
<v Speaker 7>were a whole off until they could square away the

433
00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:04.599
<v Speaker 7>visa stuff. Probably because he's been signed for a bit, right.

434
00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Since he was done in December January the new year,

435
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.279
<v Speaker 2>so after show or whatever he signed Yeah.

436
00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Sane, Sane, let me ask you a question because I

437
00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:19.079
<v Speaker 1>am one of those people and I'm sure that there

438
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.400
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people like me in the aa

439
00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:25.200
<v Speaker 1>W community that I have two questions about Mike Bailey,

440
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:27.960
<v Speaker 1>probably the same questions I had about you, Shane. First,

441
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:30.519
<v Speaker 1>who the flubs Mike Speedball Mike Bailey.

442
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:31.319
<v Speaker 7>Uh.

443
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:33.640
<v Speaker 1>And two where where did that?

444
00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:34.119
<v Speaker 7>Uh?

445
00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Does anybody know where he got that nickname? I mean

446
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:37.799
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't.

447
00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen him wrestle?

448
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:44.559
<v Speaker 1>No, I I've seen like highlights of him, but I've

449
00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:53.000
<v Speaker 1>actually maybe saw one match that But you knows, Mike

450
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Bailey is so educated.

451
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Thought as you the first time I heard the name speedball, like, oh,

452
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.319
<v Speaker 3>you're naming yourself after the drug that kurk Obain overdosed on. Great,

453
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:06.880
<v Speaker 3>But uh, no, I think it's just because he's like

454
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:10.240
<v Speaker 3>a fast ball. Let's speed just a ball of energy

455
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:12.880
<v Speaker 3>bouncing around and kicking the crap out of people.

456
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, Shane, Yeah, so Speedball Mike Bailey has been around,

457
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:23.640
<v Speaker 2>uh for the He's been performing professionally since about He's

458
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>been training and performing since two thousand and six. He

459
00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:31.519
<v Speaker 2>did he debuted in Quebec with uh Mike Sidel Where

460
00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:35.519
<v Speaker 2>that under the name of Mike Sidel way back when?

461
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:38.079
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, the guy is best known for his

462
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:41.039
<v Speaker 2>work in TNA. Last year he had probably one of

463
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:43.799
<v Speaker 2>the arguably one of the top five best matches of

464
00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the year. He's been He's done Combat Zone, he's done

465
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:51.200
<v Speaker 2>d DT, he's done Revolution RevPro. He's mostly known for

466
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Speaker 2>his work in TNA in New Japan, but I mean,

467
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:55.559
<v Speaker 2>the guy's been around for a long time.

468
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:58.720
<v Speaker 1>He is Wow, you mounted Shane when you look at

469
00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 1>the aw Ross, who is Mike Bailey comparable to? Like

470
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:06.200
<v Speaker 1>as far as like it's size, you know, is he

471
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean is he Keith Lee size or is he

472
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:15.359
<v Speaker 1>a Riho size? He's so he's more the Ricochet line.

473
00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, he's like middling in size. He's very agile.

474
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:23.640
<v Speaker 2>A lot of his move set is based on uh

475
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:29.640
<v Speaker 2>cut like outside of wrestling contact sports, I believe taekwondo

476
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:33.119
<v Speaker 2>backgrounds about then he is a taekwondo taekwond do background.

477
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Excuse me?

478
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:34.920
<v Speaker 9>And he could go.

479
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean like we're looking like with him joining the roster,

480
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:42.720
<v Speaker 2>we're looking at some five star matches, like just right

481
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:44.920
<v Speaker 2>off the ripper, you know, just bring.

482
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Who would you put him with? Who would you put

483
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:48.720
<v Speaker 1>him again?

484
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Immediately? Omega Omega ospe a Richet And.

485
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:01.119
<v Speaker 3>He's already had a banger with Lost Spray at TNA.

486
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:05.160
<v Speaker 3>He had that sixty minute with Josh Alexander and TNA

487
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Takeshta and Maple Leaf Pro.

488
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:08.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean pro.

489
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Every match he's had against some of these top AEW

490
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:18.039
<v Speaker 3>guys are Match of the Year contenders, five star matches,

491
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.519
<v Speaker 3>Like put him with Kenny Omega, like my fantasy booking

492
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:23.640
<v Speaker 3>of him as he just comes out, sees Keny Omega

493
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:26.079
<v Speaker 3>and he's like, I've wrestled the best in the world

494
00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.240
<v Speaker 3>and I haven't had you yet, and just do it,

495
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:31.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, Danielson Omega.

496
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.279
<v Speaker 9>That stuff right there off the bat.

497
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.839
<v Speaker 7>One of the I was in La for Mania a

498
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:39.599
<v Speaker 7>couple of years ago and I went to the Blood

499
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 7>Sports show at the Ukrainian Cultural Center and that was

500
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.839
<v Speaker 7>Kodo Abushi's first match after he left New Japan coming back,

501
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.799
<v Speaker 7>and it was against Mike Bailey. And if you guys

502
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:52.440
<v Speaker 7>want to see a guy who can work a bunch

503
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:55.799
<v Speaker 7>of different styles, watch that match. It's on YouTube, It's

504
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 7>on Coda's official channel. But Codo Buschi versus Mike Bailey

505
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.839
<v Speaker 7>at Bloodsport in La fantastic. Coda kicks the shit out

506
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.799
<v Speaker 7>of him. But and I mean like there's one kick

507
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:06.960
<v Speaker 7>where he kicks the shit out of him. Not that

508
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.480
<v Speaker 7>it was a lopsided match, but it's fantastic. The guy

509
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:12.480
<v Speaker 7>can work a bunch of different styles. Is mixed martial

510
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:14.920
<v Speaker 7>arts legitimate mixed martial arts background, and I mean from

511
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:16.920
<v Speaker 7>a training not that he's a competitive mixed martial artist.

512
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 7>Guy brings a lot of flavor in the ring. He's

513
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.440
<v Speaker 7>really versatile, very quick, and very agile. Would fit in

514
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:24.559
<v Speaker 7>with any of the high flyers and can walk to

515
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.720
<v Speaker 7>a degree work a big man style like we've seen

516
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:28.960
<v Speaker 7>against the Kusha and Maple Leaf pro so. I think

517
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 7>he's a great addition of the roster and should flesh

518
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:32.240
<v Speaker 7>out a lot of the mid card or mid card.

519
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.519
<v Speaker 3>He can have a look match either like he's if

520
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:42.160
<v Speaker 3>you've not seen it yet. In GCW, he wrestles Oh God,

521
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:44.519
<v Speaker 3>the cutest in the world. I'm having a total grain

522
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Mutty ETO. He wrestles Muddy ETO and it is a

523
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.359
<v Speaker 3>hilarious match. He's brilliant, like he can do it all.

524
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.839
<v Speaker 3>So you literally put him in the ring with anyone

525
00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:59.920
<v Speaker 3>and you're getting a five star match of the year content.

526
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.319
<v Speaker 2>While while we're on the topic of Guy's coming over

527
00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>from TNA, we also have Josh Alexander Route. I mean,

528
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:09.720
<v Speaker 2>like he's all but confirmed that. Yeah, I can't I

529
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:12.960
<v Speaker 2>see you over there, Barry. I can't wait that he's

530
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.519
<v Speaker 2>been signed with a W and that they gave him

531
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:18.240
<v Speaker 2>the bigger and better offer with the better promises. So

532
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean these two guys together, I mean, these are

533
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>some very high profile you know, signings and bookings.

534
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:29.839
<v Speaker 1>So we got some well, Shane you know what. Other

535
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>name was brought up and confirmed to be coming to AW,

536
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>probably not on a permanent basis, but an excursion. Is

537
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Clark Connor. Now he is a part of Bull Club

538
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 1>war Dogs. So is Gabe Kid, who was just with

539
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>AW this past week. He's obviously on an excursion as well.

540
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.319
<v Speaker 1>I hope at least, uh, when you're looking at Clark Connor,

541
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>somebody that's very closely attached to O Connor is Decla.

542
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:05.839
<v Speaker 1>So I'm hoping when Clark comes over that THECLA follows.

543
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:11.440
<v Speaker 1>We get that rematch between Athena and THEKLA. I mean,

544
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>but I want to know what you guys think. I mean,

545
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>if Juice Robinson's anywhere near coming back, I don't know

546
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>what his status is. I really don't. I want to see.

547
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to see Bullet Club Gold and Bullet Club

548
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>war Dogs go at it really bad.

549
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. That's that's a dream scenario though. The War

550
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.559
<v Speaker 2>of the War of the Bull Club between the two

551
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>promotions where they're predominant. I mean we have Bull Club

552
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.559
<v Speaker 2>and TNA still too correct.

553
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:51.599
<v Speaker 3>Chris Banning is still recovering from injury, like really bad injury.

554
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.799
<v Speaker 7>So hey with with with kid coming in and what

555
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 7>a reception gave got. I'm glad he's getting the respect

556
00:30:58.160 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 7>because he didn't the last time he was here a

557
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:01.880
<v Speaker 7>couple of months ago. And I think his match against

558
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:04.799
<v Speaker 7>Kenny Omega at Russell Dynasty, I think it was called

559
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:08.079
<v Speaker 7>Russell King, can't remember which. The two shows was fantastic.

560
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.079
<v Speaker 7>If you're keeping Gabe around a little bit, especially of

561
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 7>Clark's going to be around two with them, you do

562
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 7>you keep reminding people that there's that rematch with him

563
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:23.799
<v Speaker 7>and Omega? Do they just casually pass each other backstage

564
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.160
<v Speaker 7>in the hallway every now and then when he's on TV, Like,

565
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 7>if I'm somebody and I want to push that match,

566
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:29.839
<v Speaker 7>that that rematch to make it big, I want to

567
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:33.319
<v Speaker 7>keep reminding people there's history there, little things, just a

568
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.319
<v Speaker 7>eye to eye quick little like kind of how they

569
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.599
<v Speaker 7>teased Hangman and MGF for a while before they want

570
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:40.640
<v Speaker 7>into that program. I'd do that for a couple of

571
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.599
<v Speaker 7>months leading up to a Forbidden Door match, if that's

572
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:44.519
<v Speaker 7>where they want to do that, that that number two match,

573
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 7>if it's not going to be in Japan, Shane, if

574
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:48.559
<v Speaker 7>you were to book that, how would you do it?

575
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Well? The comeback match? Yeah, Forbidden Door, Omega Kid too, Yeah,

576
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Omega Kid two, Forbidden Door, Middle of the show, do

577
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.799
<v Speaker 2>it the same way they did Omega and Osprey three

578
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 2>for Forbidden Door. I just you know, for me, for

579
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Omega and Kid, I just feel like them in a

580
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 2>ring together is just produce so much better in Japan

581
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 2>for some odd reason. Whenever they, you know, transplant these

582
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>feuds from Japan over to America, it seems like, do

583
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.359
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, It seems like when Tony

584
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Kaan puts his hands on it, if it's just it

585
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:26.720
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't have the same impact. But I think it's

586
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>headed towards for Forbidden Door. I don't think Kid is

587
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.200
<v Speaker 2>going to go directly after Omega to start.

588
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:37.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, what you say? What you wouldn't you say?

589
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:37.319
<v Speaker 8>Though?

590
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.319
<v Speaker 1>That Japanese fans are more knowledgeable about gay Kid and

591
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:46.759
<v Speaker 1>Kenny Omega than American fans are knowledgeable about Kenny Omega

592
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 1>and Gape Kid.

593
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, of course, and the implication of a Bullet Club,

594
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, a giant bolt Club faction war. It would

595
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 2>really you know, you'd have to be watching Bulk products

596
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.680
<v Speaker 2>to know. But yeah, of course people know Gaye Kid

597
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>better in Japan. Yeah, on every single show.

598
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.559
<v Speaker 7>What was the what was the pay per view? Connors

599
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.480
<v Speaker 7>was on that he I think he was a filling

600
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.720
<v Speaker 7>for somebody, and he came out nobody knew who he was.

601
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 7>But by the end of it, like everybody.

602
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:21.279
<v Speaker 2>For the one Yeah that was Cole versus Jay White

603
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.960
<v Speaker 2>versus Connors versus Orange Cassidy.

604
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 9>No, it was for the All Atlantic title. It was like.

605
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah because OC thought Osprey that night and had

606
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 2>probably one of my one of the best matches in

607
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:41.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two. Yeah, hell yeah yeah that match that

608
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>that Orange match was insane.

609
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, came out, Connors, came out, nobody knew who he was.

610
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:50.359
<v Speaker 7>He didn't get much of a pop, but by the

611
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Speaker 7>end of that match, everybody was pulling for that little

612
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:53.960
<v Speaker 7>guy to pull it off. Man, he did a job

613
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:55.079
<v Speaker 7>over it that.

614
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>He is a little guy.

615
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:00.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, but he went over, he got over just in

616
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 7>the ring.

617
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 9>Man. Yeah.

618
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>So Juice Robinson really quick from the broken fibula that

619
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.199
<v Speaker 2>the injury that he sustained in November. He has no

620
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:15.760
<v Speaker 2>timetable to come back. He is healing surgery. We probably

621
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>won't see him back for months.

622
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Yeah. One thing about Clark Connors that I enjoyed

623
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>was late last year thekla Is, who is in stardom,

624
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>was going against NAT's a poy and Clark Connor's actually

625
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 1>came out and speared that's a poy in I mean,

626
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 1>full out spired or and it was a terrific bump

627
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>because NAT's a boy just took it like a champ.

628
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>And a couple of weeks later, I think he tried

629
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to do the same thing again, but this time NAT's

630
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a boy stupor kicked him in the face as he

631
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:58.519
<v Speaker 1>was running toward him, and that was perfect too. And

632
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 1>just go look at that. Those are two really good bumps,

633
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and again you're talking about it. It are intergender bumps,

634
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.199
<v Speaker 1>which is hard to do. It's hard to do because

635
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.760
<v Speaker 1>you could be so tentative. There was no tentativeness in this,

636
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>so go check that out. But it worked really well

637
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.280
<v Speaker 1>because Clark Connors is not a big guy. He is

638
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:27.320
<v Speaker 1>a smaller guy. And so when you're going against somebody

639
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>like Nasa Ploy who's only five to one, maybe you know,

640
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't have worked if it was somebody like Kenny Omega.

641
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.880
<v Speaker 1>But it that way, who's a little bit who's much bigger.

642
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, uh, Shane, let's move on. What do we

643
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>what do we want to talk about next?

644
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Let's see, I mean, we could talk about the women.

645
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:56.880
<v Speaker 2>We could talk about eight of U's current state of

646
00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the state of its developmental, we could talk about creative.

647
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 2>We had some Reddit feedback. Someone asked on Reddit, should

648
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.800
<v Speaker 2>the Belts be defended every week on television? You want

649
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 2>to start there?

650
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>We could start there. My short answer is no, And

651
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you why if my long answer is this

652
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.400
<v Speaker 1>is the reason why, Because if you purposely go into

653
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:27.599
<v Speaker 1>a week of television saying we've got to defend the Belts,

654
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>what does that have? Squash matches? And I would rather

655
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:35.599
<v Speaker 1>see Swear Strickland and Ricochet in a non title match

656
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:39.400
<v Speaker 1>rather than see Daniel Garcia against John Cruise in a

657
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>title match. You see what I'm saying. I don't want

658
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.760
<v Speaker 1>to see a squash match for a title want. I

659
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think title matches are important on TV. What I

660
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:55.239
<v Speaker 1>think is important on TV are meaningful matches. And when

661
00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 1>I say meaningful matches, something that advances creative that's my answer.

662
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's important, and I think this is

663
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>something that AW fails to do. They I think it's

664
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:11.360
<v Speaker 2>important to make these belts, to make these championship titles significant,

665
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 2>make them feel like something worth questing for a lot

666
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:18.440
<v Speaker 2>of I mean, like, now, do I believe that they

667
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 2>should be defended every week? No, absolutely not, But I

668
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.280
<v Speaker 2>do believe that we should be defending major titles on

669
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, middling shows, your Dynamites, your Collisions. You should.

670
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.559
<v Speaker 2>I think these titles should be defended in other promotions

671
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:34.760
<v Speaker 2>if we have so much crossover, just so what's fair

672
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>for everybody else? And I think that these titles should

673
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.199
<v Speaker 2>be dropped and traded on Dynamites and Collisions. I don't

674
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.840
<v Speaker 2>think that we should preserve you know, I agree, Yeah,

675
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:46.079
<v Speaker 2>that's not something we see a lot of. To be

676
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 2>honest with you, the only time we ever see you know,

677
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>belt shifts or with the women in the tag titles,

678
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>which we know you know how that how that's you

679
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 2>know structured in AW? I just uh I think that

680
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>we I think the current state of the titles scene

681
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.599
<v Speaker 2>AW needs a full on overhaul. I know we talk

682
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 2>about the Death Riders every week and what's going on

683
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:12.119
<v Speaker 2>with the trio's titles and who from r OH shouldn't

684
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.000
<v Speaker 2>be defending on AW television and should be on AW

685
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 2>television full time. I think it's just time to hit

686
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 2>the reset button on what they're doing with a lot

687
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:22.199
<v Speaker 2>of the title scene and kind of flip the titles,

688
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:23.840
<v Speaker 2>ping pong them around a little bit, kind of do

689
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.559
<v Speaker 2>a WCW late nineties. You know, let's let yeah, I'm

690
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:31.719
<v Speaker 2>just saying, let's let's well know yeah. No, seriously, I

691
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:33.559
<v Speaker 2>want to see some younger talent half their hands on

692
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.880
<v Speaker 2>the title, make these belts look look convincing, make them

693
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:41.320
<v Speaker 2>look less like concession prizes for for new signe for

694
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you know people that just sign promotion.

695
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Well shit, well, Shane, I know you've got your browser

696
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.480
<v Speaker 1>open right now, look it up. Does David r KTT

697
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>have a kid that is wrestling age? Bring them over

698
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:54.599
<v Speaker 1>win the World Champions?

699
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>No?

700
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, in all seriousness, what you said is is, yeah,

701
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 1>While I don't think that all titles should should be defended,

702
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:07.599
<v Speaker 1>titles should be defended on weekly TV shows. I think

703
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 1>it's incumbent upon AAW to make the titles interesting on

704
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>TV shows by talking about them, showing building a feud

705
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.199
<v Speaker 1>for them, not necessarily having a wrestling match. But I'm

706
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:23.280
<v Speaker 1>just saying, you know, let's let's not ignore the titles

707
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.639
<v Speaker 1>and open up that briefcase so we can see the

708
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 1>AW World Championship because it is by far right now again.

709
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.079
<v Speaker 1>And I will say this, and I will say it

710
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:37.159
<v Speaker 1>to the day that it's finally won by somebody. The

711
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:43.280
<v Speaker 1>AW World Championship is by far the most meaningless belt

712
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.920
<v Speaker 1>in AW right now because you don't see it, and

713
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a very.

714
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.519
<v Speaker 3>Bad I am convinced that the belt is not in

715
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.559
<v Speaker 3>that briefcase. That briefcase is way too small to be

716
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 3>hold in the belt. So there's something else going on,

717
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.320
<v Speaker 3>and I'm I'm holding out that it's gonna be interesting,

718
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 3>but like I'm not gonna hold my breath.

719
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, you guys ever seen.

720
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:10.480
<v Speaker 9>You think it's the.

721
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:13.639
<v Speaker 2>It's Marcellus Wallace's soul?

722
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:18.159
<v Speaker 9>No, no, what if.

723
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:20.559
<v Speaker 1>The only time I.

724
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.719
<v Speaker 3>Would just love for John Moxley to open the briefcase,

725
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 3>a little light come out and go, yeah, we happy.

726
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:32.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's I think it's the briefcase. I

727
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.000
<v Speaker 1>think it's what do you Richter's underwear? Oh god?

728
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:41.079
<v Speaker 6>What if it's either a new title design or a

729
00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:42.880
<v Speaker 6>custom title design.

730
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:45.440
<v Speaker 9>That would be cool.

731
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:51.880
<v Speaker 2>But if it's the Triple B, it's the What if

732
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.639
<v Speaker 2>it's the Triple B? What if that's going to be

733
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:56.840
<v Speaker 2>used to manipulate m JF after this, because you know,

734
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>all all sites for a lot of these guys are

735
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.760
<v Speaker 2>headed towards the World Championship. I think it'd be hilarious

736
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:05.320
<v Speaker 2>if it were the ship will be. I know that's

737
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 2>a stretch. It's a stretch, but it'd be fun.

738
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, briefcase and it's just a strap that he wraps

739
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.199
<v Speaker 3>around his waist. And the briefcase was the championship the

740
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 3>whole time.

741
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:21.559
<v Speaker 9>Wait.

742
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.280
<v Speaker 7>So, so Kelson, coming back to your thing about some

743
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 7>of the titles being defended, and I've mentioned this a

744
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 7>couple of times too. One of my favorite eras of

745
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:33.320
<v Speaker 7>the TNT title was when Sammy and Scorpio Sky were

746
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:37.199
<v Speaker 7>feuding over it and Cody had it for a while

747
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.039
<v Speaker 7>and it moved around, and I feel like the TNT

748
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.000
<v Speaker 7>title in two degree the TVs title, although I understand

749
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 7>what they're doing, Mercedes right now, Like, those are the

750
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.440
<v Speaker 7>titles that should be on TV, and they should be

751
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:49.760
<v Speaker 7>they should be changing hands on TV.

752
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:52.679
<v Speaker 1>I really do it on the pay per view two.

753
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.039
<v Speaker 7>But those are the two titles that those are those

754
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 7>are the mid card titles. Those are the titles that

755
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.480
<v Speaker 7>when people have them, These are the people you signaling.

756
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.480
<v Speaker 7>This is the next This is the person we're starting

757
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:04.360
<v Speaker 7>the big push for. We're going to see if they

758
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:06.519
<v Speaker 7>can get elevated. How much do they get over? This

759
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:08.639
<v Speaker 7>is somebody we're gonna start getting behind. You can start

760
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.800
<v Speaker 7>getting people excited, and if you're saving those for only

761
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:16.039
<v Speaker 7>the pay per views, you're missing an opportunity. WWE is

762
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.639
<v Speaker 7>doing a lot more moving belts around, whether they're meaningful

763
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:20.360
<v Speaker 7>or not. People can always argue that you can do

764
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 7>the same thing in AW but it brings some excitements

765
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.039
<v Speaker 7>to TV. And one of the problems I think a

766
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.199
<v Speaker 7>lot of us have agreed with is that you have

767
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.000
<v Speaker 7>these title matches on TV and the titles never change hands,

768
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:34.280
<v Speaker 7>so nobody believes it. Nobody believes it's going to be

769
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:37.639
<v Speaker 7>a competitive match or that the contender has a shot

770
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.559
<v Speaker 7>because we've been trained to not expect title changes on

771
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 7>regular TV.

772
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Keusy. You can't expect the titles to change

773
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 1>hands on TV because there's they did away with Battle

774
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 1>of the Belts. Well what are you supposed to do?

775
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.239
<v Speaker 1>But look, I agree with you, especially with the T

776
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 1>and T and TBS titles. Maybe not as much with

777
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:01.599
<v Speaker 1>the TBS titles right now because now, yeah, it's I mean,

778
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.159
<v Speaker 1>the TBS title is not a big card title in

779
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 1>AW right now. It's pretty up there. But the TNT

780
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 1>title is an open challenge title, and it should be

781
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 1>done that way. At least every two weeks, have Daniel

782
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.679
<v Speaker 1>garcias the champion, come out and do an open challenge.

783
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 1>But again, as I said earlier, I don't want to

784
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.840
<v Speaker 1>see an open challenge with a Max Caster kind of

785
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.039
<v Speaker 1>thing going on where the challenge is met and it's

786
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>just a squash total total opposite max Caster. But you

787
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>know what, Max Caster is out there, he's going to

788
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:42.679
<v Speaker 1>get his.

789
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Ship be did you know, so, Kelson? How disappointing was

790
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 2>it that we didn't get Max Caster and gave kid

791
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.000
<v Speaker 2>on Collision.

792
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:59.119
<v Speaker 9>Uh the weekend.

793
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.440
<v Speaker 1>I would have liked to have seen it, but I

794
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't want Max Caster to die just yet, So

795
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 1>let's save it for a little while, you know, till

796
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.920
<v Speaker 1>till we absolutely get tired of it. And then gave

797
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Kid could kill him.

798
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.840
<v Speaker 7>Hey, Butcher put on a banger, man. Those guys beat

799
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:19.199
<v Speaker 7>the crap out of each other. That that handmark on

800
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 7>Kid's chest from that chop he took from Butcher. I

801
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:24.880
<v Speaker 7>bet she's still there now.

802
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Butcher's uprated. Yeah, well, look, let's move on. I

803
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:42.280
<v Speaker 1>do want to talk about Creative as a whole personally

804
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.320
<v Speaker 1>since the beginning of twenty twenty five and a w

805
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:51.360
<v Speaker 1>debuting on Max. Other than maybe there was that one

806
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Dynamite that we kind of felt as a crew here

807
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 1>was a little bit lacking. It wasn't bad, but it

808
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:04.840
<v Speaker 1>was a little bit lacking. Dynamites and Collision since January

809
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:09.760
<v Speaker 1>first have been thoroughly enjoyable. Yeah, there's stuff that didn't

810
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.800
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't worked. I mean, you're gonna have that, But

811
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 1>by and large, Dynamite and Collision have been entertaining as hell,

812
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:21.119
<v Speaker 1>and that's what it's all about. And they've been jam

813
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:28.880
<v Speaker 1>packed with content and and it's flowed so well from

814
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 1>from from uh okay, okay, shade, No, I know.

815
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.079
<v Speaker 2>I get what you're lying down, so like, just what

816
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:43.920
<v Speaker 2>was she saying?

817
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.159
<v Speaker 1>What was what was your child saying? I was at

818
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:48.079
<v Speaker 1>a little I couldn't really see is that a little

819
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:48.920
<v Speaker 1>boy or little girl?

820
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:50.199
<v Speaker 9>Anakin?

821
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Sorry guys, yeah, because what would sheriffs? You know, everybody

822
00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>heard it? So what was you know? You have to

823
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:07.679
<v Speaker 1>go get get out of some juice or something of

824
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 1>your kid, get go take care of your kid. Yeah,

825
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:10.800
<v Speaker 1>there you go.

826
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:14.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

827
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 1>But as I was saying, dynamite collision have been spot on.

828
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Do you guys agree with that? I mean.

829
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 7>I would agree with what do you think?

830
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:25.159
<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

831
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 6>I would agree with that that from what I've been seeing,

832
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:30.880
<v Speaker 6>you know, as a guy who doesn't have access to

833
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:33.000
<v Speaker 6>dynamite but watches a lot of this stuff off of

834
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:37.719
<v Speaker 6>the YouTube channel. Uh, the dynamites have been looking pretty good.

835
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.440
<v Speaker 6>The masses have been pretty meaningful, and especially with the

836
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.199
<v Speaker 6>fact that AW is finally starting to do what I've

837
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 6>been nagging at them to do for years, which is

838
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:53.599
<v Speaker 6>do a W related storylines exclusively in ady W. For example,

839
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:58.119
<v Speaker 6>the Hangman and MJF feud. That's like totally original, out

840
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 6>there concepts and it's all like there's no need to

841
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 6>mention new to Japan. There's no need to mention what

842
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.000
<v Speaker 6>you did in Ring them hon Or ten years ago.

843
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 6>It's all about what you're doing and in AEW square,

844
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:13.519
<v Speaker 6>that's what's important to the promotion right now, and that's

845
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.159
<v Speaker 6>what they need to do more of now. There is

846
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:19.239
<v Speaker 6>a problem I'm still having with them other than like

847
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:23.000
<v Speaker 6>maybe title stuff, but that's one of the other topics.

848
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.199
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, what does another person.

849
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Think, Well, I want to interject something in here. My

850
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:34.800
<v Speaker 1>biggest worry with AEW's creative right now takes place in

851
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:38.679
<v Speaker 1>a few months, and that's Forbidden Door. Because forbidden Door.

852
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:41.599
<v Speaker 1>I said it before and I will say it again.

853
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Forbidden Door has no place in story. They should just

854
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:51.199
<v Speaker 1>put it on with no story attached to it, because

855
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:55.199
<v Speaker 1>when they try to do stories for Forbidden Door, it's

856
00:47:55.639 --> 00:48:02.800
<v Speaker 1>kills all momentum. Yeah, Forbidden Door is a great momentum killer.

857
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 1>And people are always saying, well, when did aw start

858
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 1>losing ratings and all this stuff when they introduce Forbidden Door,

859
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:17.360
<v Speaker 1>because it takes the most wrestling fans are casual fans.

860
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.559
<v Speaker 1>They're not invested in it. That's hey, Look, if Tony

861
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.039
<v Speaker 1>Kahn wants to risk it, that's well and fine. It's

862
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:28.679
<v Speaker 1>his money, it's his company. All I'm saying is you're

863
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:32.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna lose fans by promoting the hell out of Forbidden

864
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Door with storylines. Just say, Hey, we're gonna do Gabe

865
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Kid and Kenny Omega too. Forbidden Door show a couple

866
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:43.199
<v Speaker 1>of vignettes. Don't have them screaming and yelling each other

867
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.079
<v Speaker 1>and face to face in the ring and stuff like that.

868
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:46.000
<v Speaker 1>It's a waste of time.

869
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.679
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And if I can interdict as a veteran of

870
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.440
<v Speaker 6>calling Forbidden Door filler season, I can agree that this

871
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.039
<v Speaker 6>pay per view needs to be out of AW programming

872
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.480
<v Speaker 6>and just behab It's its own thing. I'm a good guy.

873
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.559
<v Speaker 6>Can I just come home from college and not have

874
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.480
<v Speaker 6>to deal with filler season as the first bit of

875
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.800
<v Speaker 6>AW storyline bullcrap? I get for Summers.

876
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I would be more excited about Forbid and Door if

877
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:11.400
<v Speaker 1>they did it every two or three years instead of

878
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:13.400
<v Speaker 1>as that's my opinion.

879
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:16.920
<v Speaker 9>I don't know. I thoroughly enjoy Forbidden Door.

880
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:19.639
<v Speaker 3>I get the whole like it kind of puts a

881
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of pumps the brakes on all the ae W

882
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:25.199
<v Speaker 3>stories that are happening.

883
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 9>I get that.

884
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:32.519
<v Speaker 3>I can't disagree with it, but I I finally understand

885
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:37.239
<v Speaker 3>the appeal of like the Marvel Extended Universe and stuff

886
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.119
<v Speaker 3>where like, oh, this superhero is meeting this guy from

887
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.639
<v Speaker 3>this comic that they don't exist together, but now they do.

888
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:46.719
<v Speaker 3>Like seeing the crossover, I just love that. I can't

889
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:49.239
<v Speaker 3>help it. I'm a sucker. What can I say, I'm

890
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:49.880
<v Speaker 3>a dumb mark.

891
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:55.119
<v Speaker 7>So I mean, there's a crossover taping live right now

892
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:59.039
<v Speaker 7>with NXC and CNA. Crossovers are fun, There's there's a

893
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.519
<v Speaker 7>lot of pop when you mix talent. And I know

894
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:05.280
<v Speaker 7>some people don't like Forbidden Door season, and I think

895
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.280
<v Speaker 7>there's completely valid criticisms and arguments for that. But the

896
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.239
<v Speaker 7>third highest gate for aw's history was for Bidden Door

897
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:15.159
<v Speaker 7>in Toronto, and I think that strong gate, especially in

898
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:18.519
<v Speaker 7>London this year, is going to continue in August. I

899
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 7>think to your point, Kelson, there's a better way to

900
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 7>program it, especially since a lot of the big stars

901
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.079
<v Speaker 7>that drove those two first for Ben Gore's are now

902
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:30.159
<v Speaker 7>in AW and there isn't as much appeal for people

903
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.400
<v Speaker 7>left in New Japan. You know, Gabe Kid is not

904
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:35.039
<v Speaker 7>at the level of Willaspray, He's not at the level

905
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:38.760
<v Speaker 7>of Okada as far as mixing talent, there's work to

906
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:42.159
<v Speaker 7>do there, and if they want it to not feel

907
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 7>like filler season, you got to start those builds now,

908
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:47.199
<v Speaker 7>little teases here and there, so that to your point,

909
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:49.559
<v Speaker 7>maybe they just build it like they did for Grand

910
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:52.159
<v Speaker 7>Slam so it doesn't take away too much. It just

911
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.119
<v Speaker 7>kind of fits in really nicely in the middle of

912
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:56.239
<v Speaker 7>a bunch of other stories, and then you have a

913
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 7>couple AW versus AW matches to flesh it out, so

914
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:01.079
<v Speaker 7>you keep the main store lines going and it's just

915
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.119
<v Speaker 7>a feature show. But I don't think it should go away.

916
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:06.599
<v Speaker 7>I think that crossed the motion is there and bring

917
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.440
<v Speaker 7>me in CMLL and even Ring of Honor talent that

918
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:11.239
<v Speaker 7>like they did at Russell Dynasty, I think is the

919
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:11.599
<v Speaker 7>way to go.

920
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in here what Shane has to say about this,

921
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:18.400
<v Speaker 1>because when it comes to Forbidden Door three, which is

922
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 1>the only Forbidden Door I have purchased, I had no

923
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>interest in Forbidden Door one, I had no interest in

924
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Forbidden Door two. I did buy Forbidden Door three because

925
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.039
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to see Tony Storm and Mina shir Kawa,

926
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 1>and as it happens, that's the only match I remember

927
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:36.960
<v Speaker 1>from that entire pay per view Shane Art of matches

928
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:41.280
<v Speaker 1>as somebody that is bitto Forbidden Door and into the

929
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:45.400
<v Speaker 1>lore and all that and the history of these wrestlers.

930
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:48.199
<v Speaker 1>Did you find Forbidden Door three memorable?

931
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:56.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean in comparison to the first two? Yeah, listen,

932
00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:59.199
<v Speaker 2>I we've had the business.

933
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to buy.

934
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:03.639
<v Speaker 3>The thing you've got to remember is that we've got

935
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:06.480
<v Speaker 3>like eight pay per views a year now versus five

936
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 3>when the first Forbidden Door happened.

937
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 7>So that's a trilli good point.

938
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:11.599
<v Speaker 9>We're gonna be the first.

939
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:14.920
<v Speaker 3>One is gonna be really memorable versus the third one when,

940
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 3>like I said, it's one to be well.

941
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it looks like they're starting to already build

942
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 2>story for Forbidden Door, and it looks like they're starting

943
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:26.320
<v Speaker 2>with Bullet Club. That's kind of how it looks right now.

944
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:28.800
<v Speaker 2>So this is me, this is wishful thinking.

945
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:28.960
<v Speaker 9>Now.

946
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.800
<v Speaker 2>To answer your question, I completely decide. I have always,

947
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:36.280
<v Speaker 2>since the inception of this channel, disagreed with the greater

948
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:40.760
<v Speaker 2>belief that Forbidden Door does not belong in AW programming.

949
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:41.079
<v Speaker 9>It does.

950
00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I you know, we wouldn't have AW if it wasn't

951
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:47.559
<v Speaker 2>for this giant project of trying to pull all of

952
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:50.039
<v Speaker 2>these promotions together and get everyone in the best of

953
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the world into the same place. AW truly is the

954
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:56.920
<v Speaker 2>melting pot of the greater promotions, and I think to

955
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.119
<v Speaker 2>have a pay per view to commemorate, you know, this

956
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.480
<v Speaker 2>giant project where they're bringing all of these people in

957
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:06.639
<v Speaker 2>and having those crossovers, those dream matches, those one offs. Man,

958
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.559
<v Speaker 2>just let the let the mega nerds have it, you know,

959
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to say, I mean disrespectfully, stop bitching and

960
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.280
<v Speaker 2>moaning about it. Who cares. You're gonna get it whether

961
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:15.800
<v Speaker 2>you like it or not.

962
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:21.079
<v Speaker 1>My point here, Shane is is that even like last year,

963
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:26.320
<v Speaker 1>the several weeks before Forbidden Door, you had dou Japan

964
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.840
<v Speaker 1>wrestlers showing up in AW and doing these you know,

965
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.800
<v Speaker 1>preparation matches, I guess is the best way to put it,

966
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:37.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, to try to get people to know who

967
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:41.000
<v Speaker 1>they were watching. And even a couple of weeks after

968
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Forbidden Door, so you're looking at four or five weeks

969
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:49.480
<v Speaker 1>to Forbid Door took a AW programming largely out of

970
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:54.280
<v Speaker 1>its out of its comfort zone. I guess for people

971
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:57.519
<v Speaker 1>that want to watch AW don't want to watch do Japan,

972
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:02.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh now, perly for me if they wanted

973
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 1>to impress me at Forbidden Door, for you bring in

974
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:11.880
<v Speaker 1>more started you bringing more star Let's go, Yeah, that

975
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:16.039
<v Speaker 1>I would watch. I have no interest in watching, you know,

976
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:19.360
<v Speaker 1>frankly speaking as something I can't remember who said it.

977
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:22.119
<v Speaker 1>I think it may have been Berry, may have been sleazy.

978
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:26.559
<v Speaker 1>But AW already has the big names from New Japan

979
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:32.440
<v Speaker 1>and the ones that they haven't gotten yet they've seen

980
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:37.119
<v Speaker 1>plenty of times. And then you have you know, Tanahashi,

981
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:42.320
<v Speaker 1>who the great nilis Ace. You know, seriously, I mean,

982
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.519
<v Speaker 1>who does a who does New Japan have left? You know,

983
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.400
<v Speaker 1>I would definitely watch for If Forbidden Door was an

984
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 1>all a w against stardom women's pay per view, I

985
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:57.599
<v Speaker 1>would definitely watch that over anything else that they could

986
00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:58.320
<v Speaker 1>possibly put out.

987
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.920
<v Speaker 2>You got Tessy, you got Shingo Takagi, you got the

988
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:05.639
<v Speaker 2>potential of Koda Bushi, who shared between the term two

989
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:08.639
<v Speaker 2>promotions coming back. You have implications between the House of

990
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Torture with Jack Perry and the division between the elite.

991
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:14.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a lot of things that you have

992
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.559
<v Speaker 2>the Bullet Club and the potential between Faction war.

993
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:23.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean I get that it's either, but look, Shane

994
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Zach Saber Junior. We've seen Zach Saber Junior do these before,

995
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:33.519
<v Speaker 1>and these glorified exhibition matches where there's no hope. If

996
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.679
<v Speaker 1>you want to impress me, put a title on a

997
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:37.920
<v Speaker 1>new Japan wrestler. You know, I don't want to see

998
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Japan super I don't want to see the new Japan

999
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>superstars coming over to a w and losing. Goddamn always

1000
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.880
<v Speaker 1>let me put it that way. I want to see

1001
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:51.880
<v Speaker 1>there's got to be some kind of mph to these matches.

1002
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:57.920
<v Speaker 1>There's got to be, you know, some kind of I

1003
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:01.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know how to put it, like you're leaning behind them.

1004
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.760
<v Speaker 7>So Kelson, I think you bring up a good point.

1005
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:06.960
<v Speaker 7>And if anybody would watch Russell Dynasty, it was the

1006
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:10.719
<v Speaker 7>inverse of Forbidden Door. It was it was mostly aw

1007
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:12.880
<v Speaker 7>people doing the job for New Japan folks, as it

1008
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.639
<v Speaker 7>should be because it's their show. I look at the

1009
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:19.320
<v Speaker 7>New Japan roster and their champions right now. You got gods,

1010
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:20.800
<v Speaker 7>the heavyweight champ, you got guys.

1011
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:21.239
<v Speaker 1>We all know.

1012
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.559
<v Speaker 7>Takesha's got the never Open Went title. I think he's

1013
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:25.920
<v Speaker 7>going to be defending that. Yoda Suji's a great young guy.

1014
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:29.159
<v Speaker 7>You got Gabe Kid. You really don't need to bring

1015
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:32.119
<v Speaker 7>a lot of New Japan people over for Forbidden Door

1016
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 7>to work. It's not necessarily just AW versus New Japan.

1017
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:37.599
<v Speaker 7>So you only need to bring ahead. You know, maybe

1018
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.320
<v Speaker 7>you do a tag with Nido and Takahashi is against

1019
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.519
<v Speaker 7>whoever that the tag champs are in AW. You only

1020
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.519
<v Speaker 7>need a handful of guys. You bring in enough stardom people,

1021
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:48.280
<v Speaker 7>two or three stardom matches versus AW matches. You bring

1022
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.079
<v Speaker 7>in some CMML guys so we can get Mordos and

1023
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:53.760
<v Speaker 7>Hologram and a couple of CML high flyers. You bring

1024
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.360
<v Speaker 7>in Mystico, you know which they've got at the San

1025
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:00.280
<v Speaker 7>Diego show this or no, he's in the we at

1026
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:05.679
<v Speaker 7>the San Francisco show. You can book this Forbidden Door

1027
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:08.159
<v Speaker 7>pay per view a lot different than the other ones

1028
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:11.280
<v Speaker 7>now because so many people have moved around that I

1029
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:13.280
<v Speaker 7>don't think it should just be like they did in

1030
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.519
<v Speaker 7>the past. So that you can have some folks in,

1031
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:17.639
<v Speaker 7>you can build some storylines over time. I mean, they've

1032
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:19.840
<v Speaker 7>got to tell August. You just need to start teasing things.

1033
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:21.559
<v Speaker 7>That's why I was coming back to that Gave Kid thing.

1034
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.719
<v Speaker 7>If he's going to be on TV. Every time he's

1035
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:26.599
<v Speaker 7>on aaw I want him to pass Kenny Omega backstage.

1036
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.519
<v Speaker 7>I want them to share that uncomfortable moment so we

1037
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:32.480
<v Speaker 7>can see that tension between them, so that fans start

1038
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:35.559
<v Speaker 7>to realize here in the States what that storyline is

1039
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:37.639
<v Speaker 7>for them. So when they do have that match, ideally

1040
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:39.559
<v Speaker 7>it for Bidden Door, it means something. And you can

1041
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:41.480
<v Speaker 7>do that with the other talent. Start bringing them in

1042
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:44.480
<v Speaker 7>now two or three episodes on TV. Add them bump

1043
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.320
<v Speaker 7>into somebody. Then they come back in a couple more

1044
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:49.079
<v Speaker 7>weeks they bump into that same person again. Start building

1045
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:51.559
<v Speaker 7>these feuds that you can you can book for this

1046
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.000
<v Speaker 7>pay per view, real slow between some of these people,

1047
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:56.960
<v Speaker 7>so that it isn't filler season. We're pulling from now

1048
00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:59.199
<v Speaker 7>six months of television where these people start.

1049
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:03.960
<v Speaker 1>To true you know that must make sense. I just

1050
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want to see the three weeks before Forbidden Door

1051
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.840
<v Speaker 1>to two weeks after Forbidden Door wasted on putting a

1052
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.440
<v Speaker 1>w on the shelf, because that's what they've been doing

1053
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:17.440
<v Speaker 1>for the last three years.

1054
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:24.000
<v Speaker 6>If you want to add some tension. Yeah, the perfect

1055
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:28.440
<v Speaker 6>example of the the perfect example to add ten the

1056
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:32.119
<v Speaker 6>perfect amount of tension is if you have the amount

1057
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:35.320
<v Speaker 6>of tension that Trevor Murdoch versus Nick Alis had for

1058
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.320
<v Speaker 6>their NWA World Heavyweight Championship match a couple of years ago,

1059
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.440
<v Speaker 6>Like it would be a little bit too long to

1060
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:48.440
<v Speaker 6>get into the full glorified story, but that had so

1061
00:58:48.639 --> 00:58:53.000
<v Speaker 6>much tension. It was Trevor Murdoch's career versus this champion

1062
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:56.679
<v Speaker 6>who had been ruling for over a thousand days, which

1063
00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.079
<v Speaker 6>hadn't been done in the NWA's title history for a

1064
00:58:59.239 --> 00:58:59.840
<v Speaker 6>very long time.

1065
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:04.119
<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's easy where we're What I'm saying

1066
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:08.320
<v Speaker 1>is is that look at what a W and Stardom

1067
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:12.280
<v Speaker 1>did building the Tony Storm versus Mina shir Kawa match

1068
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:14.920
<v Speaker 1>at Forbidden Door, and it kind of speaks to what

1069
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:18.679
<v Speaker 1>Barry is talking about. It went on for months and

1070
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:21.519
<v Speaker 1>it was a slow build and it didn't take away

1071
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:24.920
<v Speaker 1>from AAW because Mina shir Kawa was in ae W

1072
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:29.000
<v Speaker 1>during that time on an excursion. You can't expect people,

1073
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, that are casual watchers of ae W to

1074
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:40.880
<v Speaker 1>get invested in people that they're being introduced to two

1075
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>weeks before or three weeks before show. That's a big show.

1076
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:47.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a waste of time. You know, I said, I

1077
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:52.599
<v Speaker 1>know stardom wrestlers, so I would as I said, I

1078
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:56.159
<v Speaker 1>would definitely watch a starter versus ad W women's pay

1079
00:59:56.199 --> 01:00:00.400
<v Speaker 1>per view. I do not believe that most the people

1080
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:03.199
<v Speaker 1>on this panel, or most of the people in the

1081
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:06.800
<v Speaker 1>aw Fano community would watch that because they don't know

1082
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.840
<v Speaker 1>stardom like I do. But if you take the time,

1083
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:13.320
<v Speaker 1>as Barry said, to start bringing over stardom wrestlers and

1084
01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:16.599
<v Speaker 1>introduce them and maybe bring them back three or four

1085
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:20.079
<v Speaker 1>weeks later and introduce them again whatever, and then do

1086
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.119
<v Speaker 1>to pay per view when is from the doors it

1087
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:27.239
<v Speaker 1>in July this year, August. Okay, you have plenty of

1088
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:30.719
<v Speaker 1>time to build without shoving it down our throats and

1089
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.960
<v Speaker 1>putting aw on the back burner for several weeks before.

1090
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:38.679
<v Speaker 5>That's my major The major problem with that is you

1091
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.039
<v Speaker 5>can't you can't bring those people in all the time

1092
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:45.360
<v Speaker 5>like that because you don't have the visa problems. There's

1093
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.079
<v Speaker 5>not they don't have. They're not always able to come here.

1094
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:51.400
<v Speaker 5>Look at how long it took for was it Riho

1095
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:52.840
<v Speaker 5>that was going for a while because of her?

1096
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Because of her?

1097
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:54.760
<v Speaker 9>I thought it was ReHO.

1098
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:55.559
<v Speaker 1>It might not have been here.

1099
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:57.960
<v Speaker 5>It was one of the Japanese women who wrestled all

1100
01:00:58.039 --> 01:00:59.920
<v Speaker 5>the time in aw had visa problems.

1101
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:01.039
<v Speaker 9>That's part of the issue.

1102
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:03.000
<v Speaker 1>You can't bring people in.

1103
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:05.360
<v Speaker 5>You can't bring like if they bring people in now,

1104
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:07.679
<v Speaker 5>they may not be able to bring It's going to

1105
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:08.519
<v Speaker 5>be in London, isn't it.

1106
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:10.239
<v Speaker 1>It is going to be in London.

1107
01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:12.360
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Okay, So I don't know.

1108
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:14.719
<v Speaker 7>Us for the UK and the states they got to

1109
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:15.000
<v Speaker 7>deal with.

1110
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:18.920
<v Speaker 5>So you know, it's it's awesome to think that would

1111
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.480
<v Speaker 5>be great to do, but you're not going to get

1112
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.320
<v Speaker 5>to bring those people in. You're not gonna be able

1113
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:25.960
<v Speaker 5>to do that the way we would like them to.

1114
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.480
<v Speaker 5>For the simple fact is visa problems are an issue

1115
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.239
<v Speaker 5>and it's going that's something they have to look into.

1116
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:36.079
<v Speaker 5>My opinion on Forbidden Door is keep doing what they're doing.

1117
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.239
<v Speaker 5>If you if you let it take away from ae W.

1118
01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:42.800
<v Speaker 5>That's on the people who are watching a W because

1119
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:45.719
<v Speaker 5>it is. I don't agree. I agree with the fact

1120
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:47.719
<v Speaker 5>that they shouldn't make it into the stories about it.

1121
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:50.920
<v Speaker 5>I don't see the reason to do that. But the

1122
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.960
<v Speaker 5>bigger problem with Forbidden Doors where it falls with all

1123
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.280
<v Speaker 5>in and all out being the next three week. I mean,

1124
01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:01.000
<v Speaker 5>you have three pay per views in three weeks. That

1125
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:02.920
<v Speaker 5>makes absolutely no sense.

1126
01:02:03.519 --> 01:02:07.480
<v Speaker 1>I and I honestly believe that with Forbidden Door, if

1127
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:11.119
<v Speaker 1>you made YouTube videos and AW also puts a lot

1128
01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:15.320
<v Speaker 1>of videos out on Twitter, you know, for promotional purposes.

1129
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:21.639
<v Speaker 11>Oh yeah, exclusively, If you exclusively did YouTube videos and

1130
01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:26.679
<v Speaker 11>Twitter videos and maybe dedicated five minutes, ten minutes maybe

1131
01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:29.559
<v Speaker 11>tops to AW shows three weeks prior to.

1132
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Forbidden Door to Forbidden Door, I think that you would

1133
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:35.800
<v Speaker 1>get just as many people watching it as you did

1134
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.800
<v Speaker 1>without wasting all that time.

1135
01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I really I kind of.

1136
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:42.840
<v Speaker 9>Agree with that.

1137
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:46.280
<v Speaker 5>I think they would be better off if they did

1138
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:49.960
<v Speaker 5>more vignettes and stuff like that for it. You don't

1139
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:53.480
<v Speaker 5>have half if people come here. I mean, you know

1140
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:55.760
<v Speaker 5>you can do that kind of I mean, there's some

1141
01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:58.159
<v Speaker 5>of those that are even better at doing that kind

1142
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:00.320
<v Speaker 5>of stuff than they are doing lives stuff.

1143
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:02.400
<v Speaker 9>So you know, it's just one of those things.

1144
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Who is the guy that comes over every Forbidden Door

1145
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.599
<v Speaker 1>season and wrestles his ass off? Come a hero is?

1146
01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:15.280
<v Speaker 1>And how many matches is one? Zero?

1147
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:17.039
<v Speaker 7>God?

1148
01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Who gives a ship? I don't give a shit about Ishi.

1149
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I should give a shit about Ishi, but I don't

1150
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:29.519
<v Speaker 1>because the only thing I've ever seen is do is lose.

1151
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Don't even get me started on Minora Suzuki. Now, manoras

1152
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:38.599
<v Speaker 1>Azuki is fantastic, but he comes over and he loses

1153
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:44.360
<v Speaker 1>all the time. Name me a Japanese wrestler, and it's

1154
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:47.800
<v Speaker 1>come over here and won consistently.

1155
01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:55.400
<v Speaker 3>In general, they all work for aw Cape Kidd beat

1156
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:55.920
<v Speaker 3>the Butcher.

1157
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, he's gonna be a Forbidden Door. He's not gonna

1158
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:03.599
<v Speaker 1>win if it's a title match, so what's the point

1159
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of even having him.

1160
01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:08.000
<v Speaker 7>It's not gonna be a title match. And against Kenny Omega.

1161
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well Ken Omega may have a title by then.

1162
01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:13.559
<v Speaker 7>So maybe.

1163
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:20.559
<v Speaker 3>But I'm really hoping that like that with last Forbidden Door,

1164
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:24.480
<v Speaker 3>they were kind of testing the waters of title changes,

1165
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:28.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, like John Moxley won the world title over

1166
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:31.480
<v Speaker 3>in Japan and then dropped it in America. I'm hoping

1167
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:35.320
<v Speaker 3>this was the company's testing the water for title switches

1168
01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:38.159
<v Speaker 3>at these pay per views, and maybe, like you would

1169
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:40.960
<v Speaker 3>say earlier Nelson, like we'll get somebody, you know, We'll

1170
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:44.920
<v Speaker 3>get a Japanese wrestler winning the t the TNT title,

1171
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:48.920
<v Speaker 3>and we'll get you know, uh An a w star

1172
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.559
<v Speaker 3>winning one of the you know, a TV title or

1173
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:57.639
<v Speaker 3>or some title from New Japan. I think that would

1174
01:04:57.760 --> 01:04:59.960
<v Speaker 3>have the kind of excitement you're looking.

1175
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:04.280
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that we said on this podcast

1176
01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:08.519
<v Speaker 1>prior to Forbidden Door was it would be so great,

1177
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:12.039
<v Speaker 1>so great if Mina Serika would be Tony Storm, even

1178
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:14.800
<v Speaker 1>if it was only for two or three weeks, you know,

1179
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:19.679
<v Speaker 1>because it would have been you know, added mystery and

1180
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:26.320
<v Speaker 1>mystique to these matches Forbidden Doors Battle the Belts that

1181
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you pay for.

1182
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:31.960
<v Speaker 9>Hey, I of the Belts live and I had a

1183
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:32.480
<v Speaker 9>great time.

1184
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:36.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure you did. I mean, I mean,

1185
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:42.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, but I'm not gonna pay. I am not

1186
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:47.239
<v Speaker 1>going to pay for another Battle of the Belts, no, seriously,

1187
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.400
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I refuse to pay for Forbidden Door.

1188
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I will not watch Forbidden Door. I have no interest

1189
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:59.159
<v Speaker 1>in Forbidden Door. If it was free, if it was

1190
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:03.159
<v Speaker 1>free on me, I would not watch Forbidden Door because

1191
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:04.320
<v Speaker 1>it's boring to me.

1192
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Why dude, you're getting banger matches out of Forbidden Door,

1193
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:14.400
<v Speaker 2>regardless of the stories that you're building around it.

1194
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I am kind of like WWE fans and

1195
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.320
<v Speaker 1>their critique of a w and I said this a

1196
01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:26.039
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks ago. A w can't put on banger

1197
01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:28.559
<v Speaker 1>matches just for the sake of having banger matches. There's

1198
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:29.920
<v Speaker 1>gotta be story behind it.

1199
01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:34.719
<v Speaker 3>For the sake of banger matches. I mean, I would

1200
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:37.800
<v Speaker 3>prefer story like you can mix the two. It doesn't

1201
01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:39.280
<v Speaker 3>have to be all one or all the other.

1202
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:42.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, have a bang Let me put it this way.

1203
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Fletcher and Will Osprey have a match out of

1204
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the Blue tomorrow night on Dynamite. Yes, that'll be a

1205
01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:53.440
<v Speaker 1>banger match. But guess what, there's this there's going to

1206
01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:57.239
<v Speaker 1>be a chance of there being story behind it. It's

1207
01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:01.519
<v Speaker 1>not gonna have it for dorm match. That's the end

1208
01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:02.360
<v Speaker 1>of the story.

1209
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:06.400
<v Speaker 3>I just said at the beginning of this podcast about

1210
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Mike Bailey, my fantasy booking is just to have him

1211
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:12.239
<v Speaker 3>walk out up to Kenny Omega and say I've wrestled

1212
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:14.000
<v Speaker 3>the best in the world, i haven't wrestled you, and

1213
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:15.039
<v Speaker 3>just a banger.

1214
01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:18.400
<v Speaker 9>Match like it. But there.

1215
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Could be a story added to that, you know. But

1216
01:07:22.639 --> 01:07:26.079
<v Speaker 1>there's no story possible with Forbidden Door.

1217
01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:29.320
<v Speaker 9>So need to be stories Forbidden Door. That's not what

1218
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:30.119
<v Speaker 9>forbidden doors.

1219
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:34.079
<v Speaker 5>For Forbidden Door is to get two three companies that

1220
01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:37.360
<v Speaker 5>don't interact on a normal basis and have matches. If

1221
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:40.199
<v Speaker 5>they're banger matches whatever, there doesn't have to be story

1222
01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:43.199
<v Speaker 5>for them to be good matches. In a come in

1223
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:44.280
<v Speaker 5>a inter.

1224
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.039
<v Speaker 1>That they're not good matches. And I'm not saying that

1225
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:50.519
<v Speaker 1>they're not banger matches. I'm saying that they are completely

1226
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:54.280
<v Speaker 1>meaningless matches to a w fans, I'm gonna ask Steve

1227
01:07:54.320 --> 01:08:00.679
<v Speaker 1>a question. Steve, you're a fan of the Winnipeg Jets. Yeah, okay,

1228
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.039
<v Speaker 1>that's the NHL hockey team, the Winnipeg Jets. Who is

1229
01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the Winnipeg Jets affiliates in I guess the AHL or

1230
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:11.599
<v Speaker 1>whatever other micro league.

1231
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:14.079
<v Speaker 9>It's the Manitoba Moose.

1232
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:21.840
<v Speaker 1>The Manitoba Moose. Okay, if you saw the Winnipeg Jets

1233
01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:27.840
<v Speaker 1>have an exhibition match against the Manitoba Moose, would you

1234
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:30.079
<v Speaker 1>watch it? Would you go to go to it? I

1235
01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:34.039
<v Speaker 1>actually saw the Pittsburgh Penguins played Wilkesbarre Scranton Penguins in

1236
01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:36.279
<v Speaker 1>an exhibition match. I had a great time. It was

1237
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:42.039
<v Speaker 1>a really cool event. Okay, but but would you go

1238
01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:43.800
<v Speaker 1>see it again and again and again and again and

1239
01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:44.840
<v Speaker 1>again and again and again.

1240
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:47.920
<v Speaker 2>No, it only needs to be like once and I'll

1241
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.960
<v Speaker 2>be happy exactly.

1242
01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:52.520
<v Speaker 1>And that's my thought about the Forbid Door. That's why

1243
01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I said that they should do it every two or

1244
01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:58.279
<v Speaker 1>three years instead of every year, because I don't think

1245
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:04.079
<v Speaker 1>people are looking forward to Forbidden Door year well, because

1246
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:06.479
<v Speaker 1>I think it will solve well because it's in London.

1247
01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:10.399
<v Speaker 7>I think you're projecting a bit Herekelson. The buy rates

1248
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:13.359
<v Speaker 7>for Bin Dorbin Fine, the ticket sales for Bean doorab

1249
01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:17.600
<v Speaker 7>and Fine. What you're articulating is the challenges with booking

1250
01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:19.760
<v Speaker 7>the television. And I think you're right, and I think

1251
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:21.840
<v Speaker 7>all of us have agreed that there is a better

1252
01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:23.760
<v Speaker 7>way to book that. And one of the reasons why

1253
01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:26.439
<v Speaker 7>you don't care and other fans don't care, is because

1254
01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:31.119
<v Speaker 7>they do a bad job creating that interest with casual fans.

1255
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:33.520
<v Speaker 7>And I'm using that in the sense of fans that

1256
01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:37.920
<v Speaker 7>watch only AW or only WWE or something that don't

1257
01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.239
<v Speaker 7>have the broader scope of the international scene like a

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01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:43.239
<v Speaker 7>lot of us on this podcast do. And to do that,

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01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.720
<v Speaker 7>to your point, Kelson, you need to plant those seeds

1260
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:51.439
<v Speaker 7>so that indoor comes. You're paying off a bunch of smaller,

1261
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:54.680
<v Speaker 7>little storylines that have been intertwined in the background of

1262
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:59.920
<v Speaker 7>the broader AW stuff, and doing that fixes that problem.

1263
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:04.840
<v Speaker 7>But a but Forbidden Door as a showcase for New Japan,

1264
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:08.960
<v Speaker 7>AW stardom, CMML and Ring of Honor has a place,

1265
01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:13.119
<v Speaker 7>and doing it once once a year makes sense. It's

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01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:18.319
<v Speaker 7>a fun show represented as an international showcase as opposed

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01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:21.239
<v Speaker 7>to your point, is like an exhibition as opposed to

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01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:23.640
<v Speaker 7>necessarily being main storyline.

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01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Cannon, Well, let me ask you a question, Barry, would

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01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you agree that aw's on a hot streak right now

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01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:31.039
<v Speaker 1>as far.

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01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:33.479
<v Speaker 7>I think they're programming since the Hammerstein shows have been

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01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:33.960
<v Speaker 7>very good.

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01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Right, let's just assume and hope that AW keeps that

1275
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:48.359
<v Speaker 1>up until late July. Then that's what Forbid Door season starts.

1276
01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:52.520
<v Speaker 1>That everything that AAW has built is now set aside

1277
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:57.920
<v Speaker 1>to do build because this is what's happened in the

1278
01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:02.359
<v Speaker 1>in the past. Everything AW has done up until July

1279
01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:07.039
<v Speaker 1>is set aside so that that they could build for

1280
01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:08.680
<v Speaker 1>a pay per view.

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01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:17.680
<v Speaker 7>That forbidden So I agreement with that, though from a

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01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.560
<v Speaker 7>timing perspective, I think this year is a little different

1283
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:23.800
<v Speaker 7>because Forbidden Door is after all in all in is

1284
01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:27.199
<v Speaker 7>their season finale. So if you're going to start your

1285
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:30.279
<v Speaker 7>new season after all In, And I don't think I

1286
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:32.199
<v Speaker 7>could be wrong, but I don't think all Out a

1287
01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:34.600
<v Speaker 7>scheduled to be like two weeks later like it was before.

1288
01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:37.199
<v Speaker 7>Maybe maybe that does happen. If they died, then it's

1289
01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:40.039
<v Speaker 7>maybe it does. They haven't announced it yet, But four

1290
01:11:40.119 --> 01:11:42.359
<v Speaker 7>weeks later is forbidden door. And if you're going to

1291
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:44.800
<v Speaker 7>do an exposition style, I think at the beginning of

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01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:46.600
<v Speaker 7>the new season is the better place to do it,

1293
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:48.920
<v Speaker 7>as opposed to in the middle of the whole TV

1294
01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:53.079
<v Speaker 7>season like they've done previously, where it's you know, you've

1295
01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:55.399
<v Speaker 7>got all In as your your you know, to steal

1296
01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:59.079
<v Speaker 7>from WrestleMania, your your your WrestleMania WWE season ending thing.

1297
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:00.920
<v Speaker 7>If all In is there into the season, I think

1298
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:02.359
<v Speaker 7>it makes a lot of sense to have it as

1299
01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:05.159
<v Speaker 7>your as your kickoff to the new season, build up

1300
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:06.279
<v Speaker 7>some exhibition stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my whole point is that if AW keeps on

1302
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:14.880
<v Speaker 1>this hot streak, I will be so dreading Forbidden Door

1303
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:19.840
<v Speaker 1>because it's just gonna kill all the momentum that AW

1304
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:23.279
<v Speaker 1>has garnered. I'm sorry, it just will. It's a proven

1305
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:24.920
<v Speaker 1>fact three years in a row.

1306
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:29.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that it assume, given that the landscape

1307
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:32.520
<v Speaker 2>has changed so drastically, I don't think that it's fair

1308
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:35.760
<v Speaker 2>to assume, coming into this Forbidden Door that it's going

1309
01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:38.720
<v Speaker 2>to pump the brakes on any major programming especially I

1310
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:41.119
<v Speaker 2>agree with you Berry with you know, Forbidden Door taking

1311
01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:44.039
<v Speaker 2>place after all in it kind of gives them it's

1312
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:46.239
<v Speaker 2>a it's a more of a healthy reset where they

1313
01:12:46.279 --> 01:12:48.800
<v Speaker 2>could go into it fresh and to actually take the

1314
01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:50.720
<v Speaker 2>time to build the stories now, which it looks like

1315
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:54.239
<v Speaker 2>they're starting to do. You know. I think that we shouldn't,

1316
01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:57.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, pass judgment on this until it actually comes

1317
01:12:57.479 --> 01:12:59.800
<v Speaker 2>into fruition. I think Forbidden Door is going to be

1318
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:03.239
<v Speaker 2>great this year. I'll say it now, I'll call the ball.

1319
01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:04.399
<v Speaker 2>I think it's gonna be fantastic.

1320
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, what did you think of Russell Dynasty? Shane Mid?

1321
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:13.680
<v Speaker 1>It was mid okay because I didn't watch it because

1322
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:16.479
<v Speaker 1>to me it was Forbid Door. I have no interest

1323
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:18.960
<v Speaker 1>in that. So I did keep an eye on it

1324
01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:23.319
<v Speaker 1>through like what was being said in discord and stuff

1325
01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:25.760
<v Speaker 1>like that, so I knew who won. But I can

1326
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:28.079
<v Speaker 1>get as much out of Forbid Door by watching what

1327
01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:31.359
<v Speaker 1>people are saying on Twitter that I can from you know,

1328
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to waste four or five hours on

1329
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:39.399
<v Speaker 1>banger meaningless bang banger matches at that's where.

1330
01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:43.159
<v Speaker 7>They sell tickets and they sell buy rates to this Kelson.

1331
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:44.039
<v Speaker 7>They're going to keep doing it.

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01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:46.479
<v Speaker 1>Man, I know there's something, but I agree with that.

1333
01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:50.319
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. Yeah, you know, my you know,

1334
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:52.199
<v Speaker 1>we were talking when we got out of the Forbidden

1335
01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Door subject. We were talking about creative and again AW

1336
01:13:56.000 --> 01:13:58.840
<v Speaker 1>is on a hot street creatively right now. They're again

1337
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:02.239
<v Speaker 1>not everything is hit, but a lot more is hitting

1338
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:04.520
<v Speaker 1>than it is missing. And they're doing it the right way.

1339
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:09.840
<v Speaker 1>They're building story. They're doing really, I mean, everything is entertaining,

1340
01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:13.840
<v Speaker 1>even the smallest stuff. Everything. And one of the things

1341
01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:17.119
<v Speaker 1>I like about what A and W is doing, for example,

1342
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:22.960
<v Speaker 1>swear Strickland and Ricochet, the Back's caster thing, everything that's

1343
01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:26.039
<v Speaker 1>there's so many things like this, Megan Bain and Penelope

1344
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:30.439
<v Speaker 1>Forward against stat Lander at Rosa. There's no titles involved.

1345
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:33.560
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to have titles involved in order to

1346
01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:36.880
<v Speaker 1>have good stories and make a match meaningful, because those

1347
01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:39.920
<v Speaker 1>matches are meaningful. Who wins, Hey, they win?

1348
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:40.760
<v Speaker 7>You know.

1349
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.680
<v Speaker 1>My point is that's what I want to see from

1350
01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:48.920
<v Speaker 1>my ae W. I want to see more of this.

1351
01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:53.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to see them sending out people like

1352
01:14:54.000 --> 01:15:01.439
<v Speaker 1>will Osprey against Gabe K tomorrow Tomorrow night, will Osprey

1353
01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:03.960
<v Speaker 1>and Gabe Kid. Yeah, it'll be a beggar match, but

1354
01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:07.840
<v Speaker 1>it'd be meaningless, you know. And what I'm saying about

1355
01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:12.199
<v Speaker 1>that is that understand me if they send out a

1356
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Gabe Kid and will Osprey tomorrow and it would be

1357
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:18.479
<v Speaker 1>an epic fail because they didn't promote it. You see

1358
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:21.119
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, You've gotta if you're gonna put out

1359
01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that kind of match, say you're gonna have that match

1360
01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:24.520
<v Speaker 1>four weeks ago.

1361
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:26.920
<v Speaker 9>You know.

1362
01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:28.239
<v Speaker 1>That's That's what I'm saying.

1363
01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:30.359
<v Speaker 7>Pay per views in August. They got a lot of

1364
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:32.319
<v Speaker 7>time to book it. To your point, Kelson, if they

1365
01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:36.359
<v Speaker 7>if they don't, if they don't build before and start

1366
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:39.319
<v Speaker 7>that stuff in May and June, or keep these storylines

1367
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:42.520
<v Speaker 7>just kind of planting the seeds now. To your point, yeah,

1368
01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:44.359
<v Speaker 7>it's it's gonna be it's gonna be boring for a

1369
01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:50.960
<v Speaker 7>lot of casuals or somebody or I.

1370
01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Totally agree with you on that, is that they need

1371
01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:59.680
<v Speaker 1>to plant the seeds up until Forbidden Door. Don't wait

1372
01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.119
<v Speaker 1>until three weeks for Bid Door put a W on

1373
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the back back burner so they can promote Forbidden Door.

1374
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:11.479
<v Speaker 1>Because that's that that doesn't work for me. Brother, That's

1375
01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:12.119
<v Speaker 1>all I'm saying.

1376
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:17.239
<v Speaker 9>Well, I mean like we're all in agreement basically, Yeah,

1377
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:17.840
<v Speaker 9>for bid Door.

1378
01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:22.199
<v Speaker 2>Is gonna be awesome. So so I kind of to

1379
01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:25.960
<v Speaker 2>segue into the next topic. You know what, can we

1380
01:16:26.720 --> 01:16:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Are we really happy with what's going on creatively right now?

1381
01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:32.640
<v Speaker 2>And do we see you know, the long term, are

1382
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:35.319
<v Speaker 2>we building into our bigger pay per views or like,

1383
01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:37.720
<v Speaker 2>does it finally look like there's been a shift in

1384
01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:40.239
<v Speaker 2>where we kind of been deadlocked in some of the stories,

1385
01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:44.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, the death Right, Yeah, the death Rids. You know,

1386
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:46.840
<v Speaker 2>it seems yes, it looks like we're starting to push

1387
01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:48.239
<v Speaker 2>past past some of that stuff.

1388
01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:52.600
<v Speaker 7>Do you know if they've gotten new people producing backstage

1389
01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:55.359
<v Speaker 7>because Kelson brought us up to the flow of the

1390
01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:58.520
<v Speaker 7>shows is a lot better. And I mean even from

1391
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:01.159
<v Speaker 7>Dynamite to Collision, but even Interra show and I want

1392
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:03.239
<v Speaker 7>to come back to something I thought that was really creative.

1393
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:05.079
<v Speaker 7>They did a couple of weeks ago with Max cast

1394
01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:10.760
<v Speaker 7>he bumped into Hangman and Hangman him. I don't remember

1395
01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:13.600
<v Speaker 7>what happened. They had beef backstage, and then Hangman started

1396
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:16.399
<v Speaker 7>following them, and then like twenty minutes later, thirty minutes later,

1397
01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:19.880
<v Speaker 7>Max comes out and somebody's cutting a promo and he

1398
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:21.680
<v Speaker 7>gets in their face and he's like, hang Man, it

1399
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:24.359
<v Speaker 7>was a Jay White maybe, and then like boom, Hangman's

1400
01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:26.199
<v Speaker 7>music hit. Like I thought that was a real clever

1401
01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:29.079
<v Speaker 7>way to weave stuff in, and that's stuff they didn't

1402
01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:29.600
<v Speaker 7>do before.

1403
01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:30.680
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know.

1404
01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:34.640
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if there's somebody new producing, but really,

1405
01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:39.000
<v Speaker 7>since the Hammerstein shows these everything seems to fit. It

1406
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:41.760
<v Speaker 7>makes sense. It doesn't all land. Sometimes a spot doesn't

1407
01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:44.319
<v Speaker 7>get over, sometimes an angle falls flat, whatever it happens,

1408
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:46.880
<v Speaker 7>but it makes sense. There isn't a lot of stuff

1409
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:48.520
<v Speaker 7>going on that I'm like, why did that happen? Or

1410
01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:51.079
<v Speaker 7>what's this all about? Like everything seems to make sense

1411
01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:54.199
<v Speaker 7>on why it's occurring. So I'm really interested to find

1412
01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:57.000
<v Speaker 7>out if there's new people helping to produce, or they

1413
01:17:57.159 --> 01:17:59.960
<v Speaker 7>just they've done some different changes or some folks got elevated,

1414
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.159
<v Speaker 7>because it definitely feels like a vibe change for this

1415
01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:02.840
<v Speaker 7>year for sure.

1416
01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:09.880
<v Speaker 1>In your point to Barry's point, I agree with you,

1417
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:13.399
<v Speaker 1>Like when people are bumping. MGF bumped in the Hangman

1418
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:17.119
<v Speaker 1>and then they did something. Megan Bain bumped in the

1419
01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Chris Statlander in between matches. One was going up the

1420
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:22.880
<v Speaker 1>ramp and was coming down the ramp. Megan Bain then

1421
01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:27.199
<v Speaker 1>returned after Statlander's match and took Statlander out. And now

1422
01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:31.399
<v Speaker 1>look what's happening. We've got a match between Statlander and Baine,

1423
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:33.319
<v Speaker 1>which was not It doesn't seem like it was a

1424
01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:36.680
<v Speaker 1>one off. We've got a story that's actually expanded now

1425
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:40.159
<v Speaker 1>to both Penelope Forward and Tho the Rosa. You know.

1426
01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.800
<v Speaker 1>One of the other things is that we noticed you

1427
01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:46.800
<v Speaker 1>were not all the talk on Tuesday after Dynamite Barry,

1428
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:53.239
<v Speaker 1>but we have the entire itinerary of the show up

1429
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:56.680
<v Speaker 1>in our chat. You have to scroll up forever because

1430
01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:59.760
<v Speaker 1>we had some guests chatting. But the point is it

1431
01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:02.720
<v Speaker 1>was like fifteen different segments in a two hour show.

1432
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:07.479
<v Speaker 1>Fifteen different segments, some of them repeated, like something that

1433
01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:10.800
<v Speaker 1>happened earlier in the show, they went back to it

1434
01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:12.439
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the show and then had the

1435
01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.159
<v Speaker 1>match at the end of the show, or had the

1436
01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:15.560
<v Speaker 1>confrontation at the end of the show.

1437
01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:16.520
<v Speaker 7>Really well paced.

1438
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the shows with Remember this is a fifteen hour

1439
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:23.439
<v Speaker 1>show with how four or five matches on it, But

1440
01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you had different things big whether it was backstage stuff

1441
01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:31.279
<v Speaker 1>in rings, donal vignettes. You had all this stuff going on,

1442
01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:34.920
<v Speaker 1>and as you said, it just flowed one right into

1443
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:38.399
<v Speaker 1>the other seamlessly, and it was really well done.

1444
01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.680
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they struggled with really, I mean they struggled a

1445
01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:44.720
<v Speaker 7>lot in twenty twenty four. I don't think anybody, anybody

1446
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:47.279
<v Speaker 7>who's a fan of AW objectively you should be able

1447
01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:49.760
<v Speaker 7>to ack knowledge. They struggled a lot with that. There

1448
01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:53.560
<v Speaker 7>was a lot of challenges with that and the recap packages,

1449
01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:58.079
<v Speaker 7>even little things like like the announcement for the crew. Right,

1450
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:00.319
<v Speaker 7>so maybe some people don't like action and ready and

1451
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:03.479
<v Speaker 7>we are rush. That's fine, but we have some beef

1452
01:20:03.560 --> 01:20:05.399
<v Speaker 7>to them. They have a name. Now, we were getting

1453
01:20:05.439 --> 01:20:08.560
<v Speaker 7>some vignettes. There's something there. Whether they get over or not,

1454
01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:10.479
<v Speaker 7>as separate like that's the kind of stuff you want

1455
01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:13.920
<v Speaker 7>to see. They're presenting somebody as a big deal and

1456
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:16.039
<v Speaker 7>when they come out, it's up to them to get over,

1457
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:18.439
<v Speaker 7>you know, give them, give them some wins, do some stuff.

1458
01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:21.600
<v Speaker 7>But they're doing the types of stuff to focus on

1459
01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:25.600
<v Speaker 7>reducing a professional wrestling show instead of just putting on

1460
01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:27.880
<v Speaker 7>an indie show with matches that.

1461
01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Is on TV.

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01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:31.000
<v Speaker 7>And that's what a lot of TIN twenty four felt like.

1463
01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:33.479
<v Speaker 7>It was just I'm going to fantasy book some stuff.

1464
01:20:33.560 --> 01:20:35.680
<v Speaker 7>And I think a lot of that was Tony was distracted,

1465
01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:38.520
<v Speaker 7>you know, he had to deal with the media deal,

1466
01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:40.279
<v Speaker 7>and now that that's over. I don't think it's a

1467
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:42.880
<v Speaker 7>coincidence some of this stuff seems a little tighter since

1468
01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:43.600
<v Speaker 7>that's all behind you.

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01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:47.039
<v Speaker 1>Now here's the thing, Barry, I will say this, I

1470
01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:50.119
<v Speaker 1>have the top mod over at Great Dost, a wrestling subreddit. Now,

1471
01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:54.119
<v Speaker 1>the Great Dost Wrestling subreddit is a general pro wrestling subreddit. However,

1472
01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:58.880
<v Speaker 1>since there are more w WE fads, th AWTNA Do

1473
01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Japan and all the others put together, it's got a

1474
01:21:02.479 --> 01:21:10.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of predominantly WWE fans and specifically WWE bands. There

1475
01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:12.880
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of people on that subreddit that watch

1476
01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:17.880
<v Speaker 1>everything voraciously and that's great. But yesterday there was a

1477
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:23.760
<v Speaker 1>post Maaid, a topic made that was simply stating what's

1478
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:27.840
<v Speaker 1>going on with aw okay And it was meant to

1479
01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:31.079
<v Speaker 1>say the way it was worded didn't really be lie

1480
01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:34.359
<v Speaker 1>what the meaning of it was the person who posted

1481
01:21:34.520 --> 01:21:37.159
<v Speaker 1>want to know what's going on with AW, you know, like,

1482
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:40.399
<v Speaker 1>how is it? How is it right? And you had

1483
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:48.399
<v Speaker 1>people that obviously watched AW recently saying, oh, they're doing

1484
01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:50.479
<v Speaker 1>this and they're doing this, and they're doing this and

1485
01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:53.479
<v Speaker 1>they're doing this like you've been saying. But then you

1486
01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:57.000
<v Speaker 1>can tell that there's people that only watched AW maybe

1487
01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:00.560
<v Speaker 1>middle of last year, a couple of shows, and they're like,

1488
01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:03.439
<v Speaker 1>they just put out bagger matches for the sake. I

1489
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:06.800
<v Speaker 1>have it banger matches and there's no story and stuff

1490
01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:10.640
<v Speaker 1>and there wasn't. They're right, I absolutely agree with them. Yeah,

1491
01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:13.079
<v Speaker 1>I love watching begger matches, but I don't want to

1492
01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:16.439
<v Speaker 1>see banger matches after banger Match, you know, every week,

1493
01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:18.720
<v Speaker 1>because there's only so many people you can put together

1494
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:20.720
<v Speaker 1>to banger match. I want to see the story. I

1495
01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:23.000
<v Speaker 1>want to see it mean something. I want to see,

1496
01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:26.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, something to get me. Not only not only

1497
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:28.399
<v Speaker 1>to get I want.

1498
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:32.600
<v Speaker 7>To get marinate. They're getting stuff marinate. The shows are

1499
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:36.760
<v Speaker 7>better paced now and they're not throwing eighty five matches

1500
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:41.039
<v Speaker 7>on and they're letting it marinate. So like when Moments happened,

1501
01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:44.119
<v Speaker 7>you were allowed to appreciate that before something else is

1502
01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:45.840
<v Speaker 7>thrown right in your face, and that's something they really

1503
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:47.600
<v Speaker 7>struggled with over the last eighteen months.

1504
01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we can.

1505
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:51.239
<v Speaker 7>We can. We have a chance to breathe when we're

1506
01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:55.199
<v Speaker 7>watching the show now, and it feels more fulfilling because

1507
01:22:55.239 --> 01:22:57.600
<v Speaker 7>at the end we're satisfied, We're able to digest what

1508
01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:00.279
<v Speaker 7>we just consumed. Is opposed to being overwhelmed again by

1509
01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:05.119
<v Speaker 7>the next high flying or hard hitting match. It allows

1510
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:07.640
<v Speaker 7>to marinate. They're slowing it down a little bit and

1511
01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:11.199
<v Speaker 7>just the right amount, so it feels more satisfying when

1512
01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:13.039
<v Speaker 7>you're done watching it. I walk away from the show

1513
01:23:13.119 --> 01:23:16.319
<v Speaker 7>feeling satisfied as opposed to overwhelmed, which is what a

1514
01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:17.199
<v Speaker 7>lot of last year was.

1515
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Right, Hey, did you have something to say?

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01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was looking into the shift in production. I'm

1517
01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:26.520
<v Speaker 2>getting a lot of reporting on people being frustrated over

1518
01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:29.920
<v Speaker 2>a lack of production meetings, but that does new news

1519
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:31.760
<v Speaker 2>from the past couple of days. What I did want

1520
01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:36.920
<v Speaker 2>to note is that Tony Kahan did shift his production

1521
01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:41.079
<v Speaker 2>and some of his creative team when they started talking

1522
01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:45.319
<v Speaker 2>about the Max deal around last November, that they completely

1523
01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:51.920
<v Speaker 2>rel they kind of restructured the inner workings of their

1524
01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:55.800
<v Speaker 2>production when they launched Max and they're continuing to invest

1525
01:23:55.880 --> 01:23:58.199
<v Speaker 2>and improve on that. They bought some new production trucks,

1526
01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:03.359
<v Speaker 2>twenty five new camera and camera people. Some of the

1527
01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:06.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff I'm digging in. It's not giving a lot of details,

1528
01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:08.560
<v Speaker 2>but they have made some changes.

1529
01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:12.399
<v Speaker 7>So I like the TV production as far as like

1530
01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:15.680
<v Speaker 7>a producer for a TV show, not necessarily the AV production.

1531
01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:18.000
<v Speaker 7>So like who's who's the show runner? Like is the

1532
01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:21.479
<v Speaker 7>show runner? Is Tony? Like back as showrunner? Or like

1533
01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:25.920
<v Speaker 7>who's on that creative committee that's actually producing the segments

1534
01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:29.479
<v Speaker 7>and and working with the agents to pace everything out organized?

1535
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:31.159
<v Speaker 7>Like is there new names for that or is it

1536
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:32.399
<v Speaker 7>just that Tony is more involved?

1537
01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Again, very it's Tony.

1538
01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Since the Jag seasons has been over it, it's been Tony.

1539
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:45.720
<v Speaker 7>So that's why it started around around the Hammerstein shows

1540
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:46.359
<v Speaker 7>then yeah.

1541
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well one of the things that I think the

1542
01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:56.479
<v Speaker 1>crowds the venues that the AW has been at have

1543
01:24:56.600 --> 01:25:01.800
<v Speaker 1>been smaller. The crowds have been more h condensed, and

1544
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:07.199
<v Speaker 1>they are surrounding the ring instead of just being on

1545
01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:08.399
<v Speaker 1>one side of the ring.

1546
01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:10.239
<v Speaker 7>Now they're not terrified.

1547
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're right, I mean they're they're showing the entirely. Sure,

1548
01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:20.039
<v Speaker 1>they're smaller arenas, that's fine, but the sound fills, you

1549
01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:22.560
<v Speaker 1>know better. They still need to work on the sound

1550
01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, you know, to give the crowd a

1551
01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:27.399
<v Speaker 1>little more because I was laughed. I was laughing. On

1552
01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Saturday night. I did not watch Collision live. I watched

1553
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it after the Atlanta United and Montreal game because I'm

1554
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:42.840
<v Speaker 1>a big MLS fan, specifically of Atlanta United. They Atlanta United,

1555
01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:47.560
<v Speaker 1>who had a home game and they were in front

1556
01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:54.039
<v Speaker 1>of sixty five thousand fans, and they must have the

1557
01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:58.239
<v Speaker 1>old aw production crew out there, because sixty five thousand

1558
01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:00.560
<v Speaker 1>fans and you could clearly see that that they were

1559
01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:03.680
<v Speaker 1>going nuts, and you would have sworn to with six

1560
01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>fans in the in the audience. I mean, it makes

1561
01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:09.760
<v Speaker 1>a big difference as far as how much you enjoy

1562
01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:15.279
<v Speaker 1>a game or a wrestling show when you can hear

1563
01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:20.039
<v Speaker 1>the fans and almost as a TV watcher, interact with

1564
01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the fans because you're seeing their reactions and it's making

1565
01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:26.640
<v Speaker 1>you react. That's the other thing that they've done well

1566
01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:29.640
<v Speaker 1>is that the arenas are not dark anymore, so you

1567
01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:33.079
<v Speaker 1>can actually see the fans, not just the first three

1568
01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:37.920
<v Speaker 1>rows but everybody. Yeah, and it makes a difference.

1569
01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:40.119
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, to.

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01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:45.199
<v Speaker 6>To put my thing into Yeah, Creative has been doing

1571
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:51.159
<v Speaker 6>really well again, like it's it's focusing on ae W.

1572
01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:55.840
<v Speaker 6>Cannon with AW original content and it's amazing.

1573
01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:57.439
<v Speaker 9>And to add on.

1574
01:26:57.800 --> 01:27:00.760
<v Speaker 6>Quickly to that point of the audio. As a veteran

1575
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:06.600
<v Speaker 6>of complaining about Aw's audio, I can say that they

1576
01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:08.800
<v Speaker 6>still got a little ways to go. I mean, they're

1577
01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:14.039
<v Speaker 6>getting better, but until they don't choke a Pittsburgh show

1578
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:19.920
<v Speaker 6>a yeah, may But yeah, I think Creative has been

1579
01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:23.199
<v Speaker 6>popping off, although beside the audio, I think they have

1580
01:27:23.319 --> 01:27:26.520
<v Speaker 6>trouble developing their stars. But I believe that's the next topic.

1581
01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:28.479
<v Speaker 6>So anybody else had anything else to say?

1582
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:33.119
<v Speaker 1>No, As a matter of fact, I think this is

1583
01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:35.079
<v Speaker 1>a good place to end the show. What do you

1584
01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:35.600
<v Speaker 1>think Shane?

1585
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:35.880
<v Speaker 7>Oh?

1586
01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, anyone got anything for pot pourri?

1587
01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:42.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, let's talk about potpourri. Does anybody have just

1588
01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:45.439
<v Speaker 1>something off the wall that they want to talk about? Oh?

1589
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:49.479
<v Speaker 6>Yes, I absolutely do. See the I complained the other

1590
01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:52.079
<v Speaker 6>day on the Reddit about the merch. I don't think

1591
01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:54.640
<v Speaker 6>they're doing that well with the merch designs, Like it's

1592
01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:57.760
<v Speaker 6>just black t shirts and then words and then I

1593
01:27:57.880 --> 01:28:00.880
<v Speaker 6>tried improving the ops T shirt, and then the aw

1594
01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:04.800
<v Speaker 6>fan Hubb universe universally said my shirt was worse than

1595
01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:07.840
<v Speaker 6>they were agreeing that aw you need to do something

1596
01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:08.520
<v Speaker 6>about the merge.

1597
01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Are you are so you're definitely down with the opps? Then? Right? Yeah, Okay,

1598
01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:19.479
<v Speaker 1>he didn't get the joke, Chase, he didn't get it

1599
01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>at all.

1600
01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:25.439
<v Speaker 9>You know, me tell me the joke after.

1601
01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to make I wanted to bring up the

1602
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Ryan MTh lawsuit even though I was you know, it

1603
01:28:32.960 --> 01:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>was made pretty clear that I should, that I should,

1604
01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:41.479
<v Speaker 2>But I'm doing it anyways because I was one of

1605
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:46.239
<v Speaker 2>those CM punk tinfoil hat wearing guys way back when. No, really,

1606
01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:49.840
<v Speaker 2>all I'm gonna say is, it's gonna be really funny

1607
01:28:51.199 --> 01:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>to see all of them have to be in the

1608
01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:56.079
<v Speaker 2>same courtroom together, with Punk and Tony Kahan having to

1609
01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:57.439
<v Speaker 2>be on the same side.

1610
01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:00.159
<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna get to that point, you know, I'm

1611
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:03.199
<v Speaker 1>not going to get that far. The funniest. The funniest

1612
01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:06.159
<v Speaker 1>part was the lawsuit itself, because it looked like a

1613
01:29:06.319 --> 01:29:10.319
<v Speaker 1>middle schooler wrote it for his like bit term exam

1614
01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:14.800
<v Speaker 1>paper in English class. It was so amateurish. You don't

1615
01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>have to be a lawyer to realize that that was

1616
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>just preposterously bad. That was just me.

1617
01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:23.159
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of a lot of how their like lawyers

1618
01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:28.960
<v Speaker 3>is worded too, like it's I don't know anytime I've

1619
01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:32.399
<v Speaker 3>read like actual from a thing, it's either like way

1620
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.640
<v Speaker 3>too complicated or it's like very like.

1621
01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:38.199
<v Speaker 9>You said, kind of almost childish.

1622
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:39.039
<v Speaker 6>It was.

1623
01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:42.720
<v Speaker 3>That's It's why they teach you that structure in school

1624
01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:46.640
<v Speaker 3>for writing, because that's the structure that's expected of you.

1625
01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I was waiting for somewhere in that document for it

1626
01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:55.119
<v Speaker 1>to say and and Nema said that CM Punk was

1627
01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>a poopyhead because that was the kind of stuff that

1628
01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>was in there. I mean, it was this is so childish.

1629
01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, who wrote that? A lawyer could not have

1630
01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:10.239
<v Speaker 1>written that. I'm sorry, that was like a screenwriter wrote

1631
01:30:10.279 --> 01:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>that hit.

1632
01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:13.439
<v Speaker 9>Now, you probably won't find a lawyer that will handle it.

1633
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who's going after Punk?

1634
01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>The dudes?

1635
01:30:17.680 --> 01:30:17.920
<v Speaker 9>Worth?

1636
01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:20.840
<v Speaker 2>The dudes now making three million dollars a year.

1637
01:30:22.319 --> 01:30:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Just for being on.

1638
01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Retainer with WWE, not counting everything else he's doing for them.

1639
01:30:31.479 --> 01:30:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, my pot poiri is uh it's got to do

1640
01:30:34.439 --> 01:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>with uh pyro believe it or not. Have you noticed

1641
01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:41.279
<v Speaker 1>that there's been a little bit more Pyro in AW,

1642
01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>not much, but a little bit more. And my estimation,

1643
01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>we've seen Pyro for Kenny Omega, which surprised the hell

1644
01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:51.920
<v Speaker 1>out of them even since so in the ring. Who

1645
01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:54.680
<v Speaker 1>else have we seen Pyro for recently? And like the

1646
01:30:54.800 --> 01:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>last week or two, I know that the Hounds of

1647
01:30:57.960 --> 01:31:01.319
<v Speaker 1>Hell have had Pyro, Julie Heart coming out by yourself

1648
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:04.159
<v Speaker 1>as Pyro, and I made a comment on the internet

1649
01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>on on aw Fanto, I'm saying that, well, it's kind

1650
01:31:07.520 --> 01:31:11.359
<v Speaker 1>of obvious now. Kenny Omegan got Pyro, you know, as

1651
01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:15.439
<v Speaker 1>a solo wrestler. Juliet Hart got Piro as a solo wrestler.

1652
01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:19.319
<v Speaker 1>AW just told you those your next two champions. I

1653
01:31:19.319 --> 01:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know which belt they're gonna get, but they're definitely

1654
01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna belt because they're not gonna get Pyro to just anybody.

1655
01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna give it to the champions.

1656
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:31.520
<v Speaker 6>Two things about the Pyro that would make me even

1657
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:35.039
<v Speaker 6>more happy. One is if the ups got Pyro that

1658
01:31:35.119 --> 01:31:36.920
<v Speaker 6>I'd be even more down with them than I am

1659
01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:43.239
<v Speaker 6>right now. And secondly, just like for any wrestler or

1660
01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:46.880
<v Speaker 6>like multiple wrestlers. I don't care give them more pyro

1661
01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:53.159
<v Speaker 6>than he gave Adam Copeland in his WrestleMania and like, like,

1662
01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:56.880
<v Speaker 6>imagine the most pyro filled Andrew Mania entrants ever, and

1663
01:31:56.960 --> 01:31:59.319
<v Speaker 6>then multiply that by ten and then I will be happy.

1664
01:32:00.199 --> 01:32:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Well that's my that's the point that I wanted to

1665
01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>make I brought I'm glad you brought it up. If

1666
01:32:04.039 --> 01:32:08.119
<v Speaker 1>there's one wrestler that should just get pyro, it's Adam Copeland.

1667
01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:10.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's part of his thing. I mean, the

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01:32:10.720 --> 01:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>whole his entrance is part of it is doing that

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01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>whatever he does, the bouncing up and down to his

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01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>pyro going off. The last time he came out, he

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01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of looked over his shoulder to be like, am

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01:32:25.840 --> 01:32:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I getting piro? You know what it did? And so

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01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>he took off. Did you anybody notice that he kind

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01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:32.479
<v Speaker 1>of did. He paused and looked over his shoulder to

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01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:34.600
<v Speaker 1>see me at Pyro and he was like nope, and

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01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:36.479
<v Speaker 1>he and he went on his way to the ring.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just thought it was interesting. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean they kind of blow up the arena for

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01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Adam Copeland because that's I mean, he is the one

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01:32:53.720 --> 01:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>wrestler that needs it. I mean, that's his thing, it's his,

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01:32:57.600 --> 01:32:58.520
<v Speaker 1>it's his trademark.

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01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:02.079
<v Speaker 7>I think they need to the like the M eighty

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01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:06.880
<v Speaker 7>boom when Adam Cole does his some boom thing on

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01:33:06.960 --> 01:33:09.239
<v Speaker 7>his entrance. You don't even need Pyro for him. Just

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01:33:09.640 --> 01:33:11.159
<v Speaker 7>just pop on those big old booms.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, maybe a sound of you know,

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01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say it. I'm not gonna say it.

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01:33:20.680 --> 01:33:23.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna make fun of I love Eddie Kingston.

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01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:26.079
<v Speaker 1>I Am not gonna say anything against.

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01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Love I love.

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01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:37.439
<v Speaker 1>I'll say it. They just they just they just need

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01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>they just need to make a sound of, you know,

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01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:42.199
<v Speaker 1>a fart sound when Nadie Kingston comes out to the ring,

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01:33:42.439 --> 01:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>you know what the but they've.

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01:33:44.359 --> 01:33:47.199
<v Speaker 9>Already got the farts for Don Kallas family.

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01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:55.960
<v Speaker 6>When you do have Adam uh Cole coming out with

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01:33:56.359 --> 01:34:01.159
<v Speaker 6>pyro boom, you could say he's lighting the fuse the boom.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, does anybody else have anyries? Anybody? Nope, speak now

1699
01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:18.079
<v Speaker 1>or forever hold your pieces.

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01:34:18.319 --> 01:34:21.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna be quiet because I'm not fully sure

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01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:22.039
<v Speaker 3>what that is.

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01:34:22.399 --> 01:34:27.199
<v Speaker 1>Still Prie is basically you can say anything about anything

1703
01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>in a w or wrestling as a whole.

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01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:35.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, just a short topic, all right, got you? Yeah,

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01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:36.720
<v Speaker 3>No briefcase should be the new belt.

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01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Just strap straps on either side of the handle and

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01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:44.840
<v Speaker 1>strap it to your waist.

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01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Just open it up to reveal that the straps have

1709
01:34:47.960 --> 01:34:50.760
<v Speaker 3>been connected on the inside the whole time. And it's

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01:34:50.840 --> 01:34:55.279
<v Speaker 3>like just the open briefcase across the midsection.

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01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Right right, aw and sharpie on the front of it.

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01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:00.439
<v Speaker 9>There you go and perfect.

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01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:05.760
<v Speaker 7>Hey Kelson, I got one well for it. So I

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01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:07.840
<v Speaker 7>think I mentioned a couple of times. I'm a big

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01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:12.680
<v Speaker 7>fan of the kings Row era of al Japan, and

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01:35:13.479 --> 01:35:17.319
<v Speaker 7>thanks to the return of Samoa Joe, I've been inspired

1717
01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:19.319
<v Speaker 7>to look at some of his back catalog and came

1718
01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:25.399
<v Speaker 7>across his match with the Al Japan legend Kenta Goobashi.

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01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:30.319
<v Speaker 7>So if anybody out there enjoys hard hitting, stiff matches

1720
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:35.560
<v Speaker 7>with two hosses like the original meat match, go online.

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01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:39.760
<v Speaker 7>It's a ring honor match between Kent Takobashi and Samo

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01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:42.159
<v Speaker 7>Joe from I want to say it's like two thousand

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01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:43.439
<v Speaker 7>and two, two thousand and three. I think it was

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01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:46.960
<v Speaker 7>right at the end of his pro wrestling Noah career.

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01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:49.439
<v Speaker 7>It's about twenty twenty five minutes long and it is

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01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:52.079
<v Speaker 7>an absolute banger, and so I've seen it a couple

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01:35:52.119 --> 01:35:54.000
<v Speaker 7>of times, but I went back and watched it again

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01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:56.720
<v Speaker 7>and just want to encourage anybody who is curious about

1729
01:35:56.760 --> 01:35:59.560
<v Speaker 7>that era for wrestling and Joe and his youthful prime

1730
01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:02.520
<v Speaker 7>before TNA run and Kobashi at the end of his

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01:36:03.439 --> 01:36:07.399
<v Speaker 7>his run as a big name internationally. It's worth checking out.

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01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:12.399
<v Speaker 1>Sounds interesting. I may actually have to check that out. Please,

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01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:15.760
<v Speaker 1>if you have the link to the video, post it

1734
01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>on discord for it, I will do that. I'll put

1735
01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:22.359
<v Speaker 1>it in the chat. Oh and then anybody and that's listening,

1736
01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:24.760
<v Speaker 1>you can. We share a lot of interesting stuff on

1737
01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:28.439
<v Speaker 1>our discord. Some of it's not wrestling related. It's just

1738
01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:31.039
<v Speaker 1>buddy stuff to we find here and there. But we

1739
01:36:31.119 --> 01:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about AWWWETNA, Joshi, lucha, everything, so and it's pretty active.

1740
01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:44.920
<v Speaker 1>And if you're worried about trolls and tribalism, am I lying? Guys?

1741
01:36:44.960 --> 01:36:47.439
<v Speaker 1>There's none of that on this discord. I don't understand.

1742
01:36:47.520 --> 01:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand it. I mean I haven't had to

1743
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:53.760
<v Speaker 1>remove a post on that discord other than every once

1744
01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:55.319
<v Speaker 1>in a while you'll get a spammer coming in and

1745
01:36:55.920 --> 01:36:58.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to sell their only fans. But even that's not

1746
01:36:59.199 --> 01:36:59.720
<v Speaker 1>very often.

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01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:03.760
<v Speaker 7>Really, it's your only fans, Kelson. I'm really getting sick

1748
01:37:03.800 --> 01:37:04.439
<v Speaker 7>of you posting.

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01:37:04.479 --> 01:37:09.239
<v Speaker 6>I mean, we can only yeah, hey, Kelson without getting murded.

1750
01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what is Griff Garrison? Ahoy y? Jungle Boy? Don't

1751
01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:28.439
<v Speaker 1>even started is jungle Man? So that's that's what do

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01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>you think, Jane. That's the end of the show.

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01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:32.359
<v Speaker 2>We call it the end of the show today. We

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01:37:32.520 --> 01:37:33.960
<v Speaker 2>had we had a good one today, guys.

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01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a pretty pretty good discussion and we

1756
01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:40.359
<v Speaker 1>didn't express hate toward each other. That was something else.

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01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>That's a good thing. The reason I say.

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01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:50.760
<v Speaker 7>Linked to them. Joe Kenthakobashi matches in the Classic Wrestling channel.

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01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:52.560
<v Speaker 7>If you are on the discord and want to check

1760
01:37:52.600 --> 01:37:54.319
<v Speaker 7>it out, it's thirty two minutes, although I think the

1761
01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:55.920
<v Speaker 7>match itself is only about twenty five.

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01:37:56.640 --> 01:37:59.760
<v Speaker 1>There you go, so you will be checking that out myself.

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<v Speaker 1>We will be back tomorrow night for All Lee Talk

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01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>right after Dynamite, So join us here on our Discord

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01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:13.399
<v Speaker 1>channel in the Ignition and all the Talk stage channel.

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01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:17.680
<v Speaker 1>We do enjoy having people in the audience while we're talking,

1767
01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:20.039
<v Speaker 1>and you don't have to just be in the audience.

1768
01:38:20.640 --> 01:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Turn on your mic, raise your hand, join us. We're

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01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:28.840
<v Speaker 1>all We're not professional podcasters, as you can obviously tell.

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01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>We are just awvans talking about AW Everybody's welcome. So

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01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:41.159
<v Speaker 1>for the aw fan podcast team, this is Kelson and.

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01:38:41.359 --> 01:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>This is Shane.

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<v Speaker 1>Good night, everybody, ye did me
