Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
Speaker 1: ignition with the a W fat Hub podcast team. We've
Speaker 1: got a few things we want to talk about tonight.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start with Shane. But before we go to Shane,
Speaker 1: this is Kelson.
Speaker 2: And this is Shane Kelson. I wanted to cover what
Speaker 2: we discussed the last Wednesday, the little little news break
Speaker 2: that we did for the Toyhio things. So I wanted
Speaker 2: to I wanted to clarify something we had been the
Speaker 2: community itself. The pot had been reposted and got some
Speaker 2: really good traffic. But I had made the claim that
Speaker 2: Lucasaurus and sky Blue had you know, you know, are
Speaker 2: are ready to come back, because you know, I had
Speaker 2: the opportunity to speak to them at toy Ohio, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to clarify a point that had been made
Speaker 2: just because they had been cleared by their own personal
Speaker 2: doctors and they are ready to come back. What they
Speaker 2: had now I had said, they both said the same thing,
Speaker 2: waiting on creative right. That doesn't mean that they are
Speaker 2: yet to have been cleared by Doc Samson or aw
Speaker 2: medical so but you know, we got a really good
Speaker 2: response from that. You know, podcast. The information turned out
Speaker 2: to be tight, So yeah, I mean, do you have
Speaker 2: thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I have something that I wanted to bring up because
Speaker 1: at one of the subreddits where it was posted as well,
Speaker 1: somebody shared because shawnrod Sap Shawnross Sap actually saw what
Speaker 1: we had posted and went with it and did some
Speaker 1: of his own digging on this, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the subreddits in different areas of the internet wrestling community
Speaker 1: on the Internet took it and posted it themselves. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that was really prevalent was people saying,
Speaker 1: who the flubb is Shane d So tell us Shane, who.
Speaker 2: The flubb are you? That's a very good quote. Who
Speaker 2: the hell is Shandy? And I'm just a dude. I'm
Speaker 2: just a dude that likes to talk to people and
Speaker 2: ask weird questions and do wrestling podcasts.
Speaker 1: Though you're a stalker.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, oh my gosh, Well that was probably not
Speaker 4: right to say, because as you know, uh like rear
Speaker 4: Ripley made a post from WWE saying that please don't
Speaker 4: send me mail, you know, or come to my house.
Speaker 4: And Asuka has also had some run ins with fans,
Speaker 4: So I'm not I don't want to make light of stalkers,
Speaker 4: even though Shane is obviously one and I am too,
Speaker 4: and so is everybody here.
Speaker 1: But I want to hear what are everybody's thoughts. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: Sky Blue and Lucasaurus are on the look well, they're
Speaker 1: closer to coming back than they're not coming back. And
Speaker 1: from what Sean ross Sapp said, it looks like sky
Speaker 1: was actually closer than Lucasaurus to coming back. We talked
Speaker 1: about it a little bit last week. I want to
Speaker 1: know what you think maybe is in their creative we
Speaker 1: Shane said, their waiting on creative. What's creat what's creative
Speaker 1: going to give them? What do you see? Is there
Speaker 1: anything interesting? Or did he just kind of fall right
Speaker 1: back into what they were doing before.
Speaker 5: I don't think so well with Scott Blue. I can
Speaker 5: see her going back to being on with Julia, but
Speaker 5: I don't think I think he's been gone for too
Speaker 5: long for Lucasaurus to make any sense or kill switch
Speaker 5: to make any sense. Going back into the patriarchy, I mean,
Speaker 5: I think they've moved on from him being part of it.
Speaker 5: I could see him getting involved to the point of
Speaker 5: interfering or causing the patriarchy some issues, but I don't
Speaker 5: see him becoming a member again.
Speaker 1: Well that's not I have to to rop you here.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is tonight, but your voice
Speaker 1: sounds soul, sultry. Thank you. I mean, I'm martening over
Speaker 1: here right now. My nipples are so hard.
Speaker 2: From this podcast, one of them. Kelson, Come on, dude, Harry.
Speaker 1: I am going to be honest when I say that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've done who who who else has some thoughts onlu I.
Speaker 6: Like with how this has been going, it's a like
Speaker 6: with what we've what we've heard from all this, and
Speaker 6: what we can gain from this is an insight into
Speaker 6: behind the scenes process of a w because I feel
Speaker 6: like we don't see enough of that to understand what's
Speaker 6: going on. And now that we've heard this whole situation
Speaker 6: with Lucasaurus and sky Blue, it's like, oh, suddenly some
Speaker 6: things make more sense now. So aaw creative not having
Speaker 6: any plans for them at the moment, maybe some insight
Speaker 6: into the fact that maybe they do have backup plans,
Speaker 6: which is kind of important, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like twenty twenty two, they didn't have any backup plans.
Speaker 6: It got real bad.
Speaker 1: Well that's you know, let me eruptously because I want
Speaker 1: to ask you this. Could it be possible that the
Speaker 1: reason AW doesn't have backup plans or creative plans for
Speaker 1: Lucasaurus and sky Blues because AW hasn't cleared them yet,
Speaker 1: Why would they do creative for somebody they haven't cleared.
Speaker 1: Once they get cleared, they're gonna I'm sure they have
Speaker 1: something in mind. I kind of doubt that they don't
Speaker 1: have something in mind for for Lucasaurus and sky Blue,
Speaker 1: because hey, when they're when they return, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: big news.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that that is really good.
Speaker 6: That is a good point that, you know, the whole
Speaker 6: not being cleared by AW doctors or AW creative or anything. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that is a factor into consideration. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: I'm just trying to point out the whole fact that,
Speaker 6: you know, we're getting some insight into kind of how
Speaker 6: AW works. I'm just glad that it seems like when
Speaker 6: a star goes down, they have a backup plan for
Speaker 6: whoever they were working with or something down the road
Speaker 6: that they can eventually come back to, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, Because as you said, they have something, you know,
Speaker 6: so Lucasaurus in Sky Lou they're gonna come back to something.
Speaker 6: They've had plans, but then when they went down, they
Speaker 6: got backup plans ready for other stars to take up
Speaker 6: the time slots, and that's what I'm happy to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who else has some thoughts? Does anybody have any
Speaker 1: specific thoughts about exactly what you think they may do?
Speaker 1: They're like, let's fantasy book the hell out of.
Speaker 8: This when comes back, I want to completely, you know,
Speaker 8: just drive the fact that the patriarchy is dead. I
Speaker 8: want to put Jericho right in the head.
Speaker 1: You can say, flop, I did anybody else?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So to your point Kelson on the clearance and
Speaker 7: that the creative thing, it's hard to have created plans
Speaker 7: for people when you don't necessarily know when they're going
Speaker 7: to come back. So it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 7: It's easy to your point that they are moving on
Speaker 7: to their current program, and you can't always just slide
Speaker 7: somebody in as soon as they're available. Some stars, it
Speaker 7: makes sense if it's available or not. But bof Source
Speaker 7: has been out long enough that you want to bring
Speaker 7: him back the right way. I did a post on
Speaker 7: the thread and I put on Blue Sky and how
Speaker 7: I would fantasy book his return and it ties it
Speaker 7: right into the storylines going on right now with Copeland
Speaker 7: and the Death Writers and the patriarchy. My view, you
Speaker 7: somehow get him involved in the end of the match
Speaker 7: where I would fantasy book with Christian cashes in when
Speaker 7: Mox or Copeland looks like they are gonna lose, it
Speaker 7: doesn't happen, and more shenanigans. Once it's a triple threat,
Speaker 7: it's a no DQ. You can throw in whatever interference
Speaker 7: you want, So it makes sense. Right when it looks
Speaker 7: like Christian's going to be pin, Lucasaurus's music hits, he returns,
Speaker 7: he defeats whoever's standing over him, and then he turns
Speaker 7: and maybe he pulls mox over ideally onto Christian for
Speaker 7: the pin or whatever, and he's standing over over Christian's
Speaker 7: dead body, and everyone's left guessing, does that mean he's
Speaker 7: joining the Death Writers? Does that mean he's out of
Speaker 7: the patriarchy? What are you going to do there? So
Speaker 7: now he's interesting because people are going to want to
Speaker 7: know what is his angle, what's he doing? You bring
Speaker 7: him back with a little bit of excitement as opposed
Speaker 7: to just having him show up and choke slamming somebody.
Speaker 7: I don't know if that ties in creative, but if
Speaker 7: you're going to bring back a star like Lucasaurus, put
Speaker 7: him in something significant that gives some juice to it,
Speaker 7: more than just a return into choke slam or having
Speaker 7: somebody's back. Give it something significant. So you've got a
Speaker 7: little meat potatoes and there's something to get your teeth
Speaker 7: into that leaves people wanting a little bit more. They
Speaker 7: want to turn in on Wednesday to understand what he did.
Speaker 1: What he did. I brought this up last week, so
Speaker 1: I'll be ask you in your scenario where Lucasaurus dead
Speaker 1: turns and he's going to basically if he turns, he's
Speaker 1: not going to be with the patriarchy at he work? Correct?
Speaker 9: Correct?
Speaker 1: Would you go ahead? Go ahead? This is my question
Speaker 1: to you because I brought this up last week. Jack
Speaker 1: Perry is old partner in Jurassic Expresses out there why
Speaker 1: they were one of the the most successful.
Speaker 7: And if you're trying to rebuild the tag program, there
Speaker 7: you go. And so with him coming in in the
Speaker 7: main event too, so you're left with there's always the
Speaker 7: seat of him turning on Christian because how many times
Speaker 7: is Christian screw Booch source over. It's a natural thing
Speaker 7: for him to turn We've all been waiting on it.
Speaker 7: So pull the trigger on his return.
Speaker 9: Why wait?
Speaker 1: Pull the trigger?
Speaker 7: He gets something significant in a main event, title scene,
Speaker 7: title match that's getting everybody talking. So now we have
Speaker 7: a reason to tune on Wednesday to find out why.
Speaker 8: And going along with that, like I said, with him
Speaker 8: turning on Christian, I think they should put they should
Speaker 8: somehow put put the briefcase on the line.
Speaker 1: In the match Christian versus.
Speaker 8: Then Lucasaurs wins the case off of Christian, and then
Speaker 8: when Lucasource beats cashes in, I guess, on Maxoi, then
Speaker 8: you have a face champion right there.
Speaker 1: Well, the only problem I have with that, Max, The
Speaker 1: only problem I have with that is, this is a
Speaker 1: kind of a different case. Right Well, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about the briefcase. I'm talking about the situation with Lucasaurus.
Speaker 1: He's coming back with from pneumonia in both lungs. I
Speaker 1: am currently recuperating from pneumonia myself. Now, I am not
Speaker 1: an athlete. I am significantly older than Lucasaurus. And of course,
Speaker 1: as far as the human years and dinosaur years. I'm not.
Speaker 1: But but my point is is that it's no joke.
Speaker 1: It's tough. I mean, if I exert myself just a
Speaker 1: little bit, I feel like I am going to have
Speaker 1: my lungs cramp up. So I can't imagine I and
Speaker 1: I kind of considered it. My pneumonia was a mild case.
Speaker 1: He almost I mean he almost died. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: so I think they putting him in a tag tag
Speaker 1: team where he could be somewhat protected and rested and
Speaker 1: not have to over exert himself would be a good idea.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you just need to get in. You just need
Speaker 7: to get in and be competing in a match right
Speaker 7: off the bat. You can keep him involved without him
Speaker 7: without him having to do anything. To your point, Kelson,
Speaker 7: I mean, recuperating your lungs is tough. He's gonna have
Speaker 7: a little assistance in the external hormones. We all know
Speaker 7: he takes him. He's a giant human being. That's not natural,
Speaker 7: no harm, no foul there. It's part of the gig.
Speaker 7: But for for him to be ring ready once he's
Speaker 7: in there, that's going to take some time. And to
Speaker 7: your point, Kelson, if they are looking to beef up
Speaker 7: that tag team. What's Perry doing? You know, his heel
Speaker 7: turn was fun, but I think it's it's course you
Speaker 7: want to get big pops, you want to bring some
Speaker 7: juice back.
Speaker 1: We said this last week Berry where with the you know,
Speaker 1: Jack Perry is part of the Elite supposedly, but the
Speaker 1: only person Reaves exactly, the only person we've seen of
Speaker 1: the Elite in a e W in the last two
Speaker 1: months is Kazuchika Okada. Yeah, I know it's Kazuka, but
Speaker 1: I like calling them ka.
Speaker 7: I always just say Okada because I don'tant to strip
Speaker 7: the first name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mentioning tag divisions and sharing them up. I think
Speaker 3: for sky Blue, SHEI oughta team back up with Julia Hart.
Speaker 9: They can have their own little like House.
Speaker 3: Hell Hounds side team, and you know that's one women's
Speaker 3: tag team for a possible women tag division.
Speaker 5: They also have the opportunity with her coming back and
Speaker 5: being gone for a while for the effects of the
Speaker 5: Black Mist, which is pretty much what turned her to
Speaker 5: Julia side of wearing off and being no longer in things,
Speaker 5: so you could actually have a nice little rivalry between
Speaker 5: the two.
Speaker 3: Maybe they could face each other, but like you know,
Speaker 3: kind of like mox and Danielson, where like we got
Speaker 3: to bleed together first, you know, so they'll fight each
Speaker 3: other and respect, because that's kind of what they're going
Speaker 3: for with the Hounds of Hell, right, They're going for
Speaker 3: what the House of Black kind of was trying to
Speaker 3: make itself, where like we respect a good fight, we respect,
Speaker 3: like when you push us to our limits, we're going
Speaker 3: to push you to your limits, push us to our limits.
Speaker 9: Kind of like what.
Speaker 3: The Death Riders are trying to convey. Not so successfully
Speaker 3: in my opinion, but that's another topic for another day.
Speaker 1: About that a little bit later on tonight. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact.
Speaker 7: A couple of weeks ago on the pod, I guess
Speaker 7: it was a couple of months ago. We were talking
Speaker 7: about Penelope Ford too, and I had the idea with
Speaker 7: why she was losing so much, because, I mean, penelte
Speaker 7: before she does jobs out there. That's part of her
Speaker 7: role in the organization right now. And if you've got
Speaker 7: Sky coming back, Sky was much more interesting when she
Speaker 7: turned heel and had some of the Black Miss gimmick
Speaker 7: and her dark side teaming with Julia. She was really
Speaker 7: starting to put it together, getting over you know, with
Speaker 7: the fans, I would like to see, you know, a
Speaker 7: bad girls club. I think that's a good idea. They
Speaker 7: don't have to even be a tag team, just a
Speaker 7: female stable that matters as opposed to the stuff they've
Speaker 7: tried in half asked you get her in there? Then
Speaker 7: the story is now Penelope's got a little something. Now
Speaker 7: it makes sense if she gets some wins because she's
Speaker 7: got support. She's got a support system which she's never
Speaker 7: really had. You got Sky, they can team up in tags.
Speaker 7: You got a lot you can do with three ladies
Speaker 7: that are just a bad girls club, and then they
Speaker 7: can pull off the Hounds of Hell or whatever that
Speaker 7: group is called. And you have a lot of different
Speaker 7: things you can do with that. But but she's a talent.
Speaker 7: I think that's kind of orbiting a little loss in
Speaker 7: that shuffle. And having her with with three and a
Speaker 7: team of three strong performers like that, I think I
Speaker 7: think it highlight all three of them clearly, with Julia
Speaker 7: is the number one, but with Sky and complementary piece.
Speaker 3: And having a group of four women, you add one more.
Speaker 3: You got a group of five women, five five faces
Speaker 3: to face off with them. We've got a women's blood
Speaker 3: and guts got.
Speaker 1: Look look at him showing off math.
Speaker 9: There that I would watch that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Battle Royal was great.
Speaker 7: They did really yeah.
Speaker 1: Real quick. Just want to get I don't want to
Speaker 1: have a big long discussion. I just want to get
Speaker 1: a brief bullet point. Opinions about Penelope four that Barry
Speaker 1: brought up. Oh, I personally think that she's above average.
Speaker 1: I think that she's up there some of the moves
Speaker 1: that she does. She's got good stamina, she's a terrific wrestler,
Speaker 1: and people like her or hat which what appropriate? You know, Uh,
Speaker 1: she's definitely gonna be paired, looks like with Megan Bain
Speaker 1: right now against thunder Rosa and Chris Statlander. But do
Speaker 1: you guys feel the same way I do that peneloty
Speaker 1: Ford is a talent that aw should I wouldn't say push,
Speaker 1: but at least keep her out there and yeah, get
Speaker 1: her a few weeks.
Speaker 7: Feature is a good word yep feature feature?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, like you said, she's got she's got
Speaker 3: a fun move set, a very unique move set, and
Speaker 3: she's got great stamina, and she's put on some hella
Speaker 3: you know, hella good matches. She's been in a few
Speaker 3: street fights that just you know, were phenomenal and and
Speaker 3: uh yeah, she's fun when she does talk. I feel
Speaker 3: like you just give her a little more mic time,
Speaker 3: give her a little more time and ring, and you know,
Speaker 3: you could have a nice upper mid carter to challenge championships.
Speaker 7: You know, she's got a great look too, She's got.
Speaker 9: A great met her once.
Speaker 1: I want to explore that look because I saw an
Speaker 1: interview it's gotta been over a year ago now, and
Speaker 1: it was an interview done with Julia Hart, and Julia
Speaker 1: Hart said one of the things that's funny in the
Speaker 1: locker room is that from behind she is constantly confused
Speaker 1: with Penelopie Pidelop before the vice versa hind from behind
Speaker 1: because you know they they don't have the same look
Speaker 1: in the front, I guess is the best way to
Speaker 1: put it. I believe Julia is significantly taller as well.
Speaker 1: But my point is is that remember how we had
Speaker 1: the lights go out and said it was revealed that
Speaker 1: sky Blue took out Mercedes Monett. We could do something
Speaker 1: like that story didn't go anywhere where. Yeah, Well, but
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is maybe we can do something
Speaker 1: with that effect with Paelti Ford impersonating Julia Hart Earn
Speaker 1: something like that. That may work.
Speaker 10: Hey, speaking of Julia Hart, I want them to finish
Speaker 10: that trilogy between her and Jamie Hayter, because I remember
Speaker 10: at the end of that second match, Jamie Hayter said
Speaker 10: to Pronect to Julia, like, Hey, anytime you want to
Speaker 10: have that third match, I'm down, and I feel like
Speaker 10: we didn't do anything with it, and me personally, I
Speaker 10: was really enjoying that story so well.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got Jamie Hayter and Julia Hart. I
Speaker 1: mean they're two very likable, you know women in aw
Speaker 1: I'm kind of wondering if Jamie Hayter isn't hurt again
Speaker 1: or just need some time off or whatever. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but if it happens, I wouldn't be upset that they
Speaker 1: pulled this off at U zero hour, because Jamie apparently
Speaker 1: is a zero hour talent anymore. I don't get it,
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. He's zero hour, here's
Speaker 1: zero hour. There the whole thing Penelope though.
Speaker 5: The whole thing with Penelope though, is going to depend
Speaker 5: on what to do with her and Meghan. Yeah, because
Speaker 5: that's established. They can't really I don't see them getting her.
Speaker 5: I mean, she's she's definitely improved over what she was
Speaker 5: before she was hurt. I think the time off, even
Speaker 5: though she was injured, it did her a lot of good.
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's just I can see the things
Speaker 5: that that that they could do with her. But I
Speaker 5: think with this Megan Bain thing, they have to play
Speaker 5: it out before they.
Speaker 1: Do anything else.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Of course, if there is going to be a women's
Speaker 1: tag titles then you've got Megan Bain and Penelope for it.
Speaker 1: That maybe why they put them together, just so that
Speaker 1: they have a cohesive team right now. So, by the way,
Speaker 1: I did want to bring something up flightful, Justine. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember last week when Megan Bain
Speaker 1: had a match with Chris Statlander. There was a thunder
Speaker 1: rosa appearance at a Penelope Ford appearance and very awkward.
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a patch, but it
Speaker 1: was very awkward standoff there where it didn't seem like
Speaker 1: anybody knew what they were going to do. There were
Speaker 1: posts about it on the internet, discussions about an aw
Speaker 1: fan hub. A lot of people were saying that it
Speaker 1: looked like Megan Bain and Penelope Ford went did the
Speaker 1: business for himself. That was not the case, according to
Speaker 1: Fiful Select. They said that it was absolutely revealed that
Speaker 1: it was a miscommunication by the coaches and producers where Penelope,
Speaker 1: Baine Ford and Statlander were supposed to be. I think
Speaker 1: Statlander was where she was supposed to be, which was
Speaker 1: flat on her back in the ring because she got squashed.
Speaker 1: But they did say that the ladies got together in
Speaker 1: the back and they have no problem working with each other.
Speaker 1: So they absolutely did not go into business for themselves.
Speaker 7: Who thought that they went into Like when I saw that,
Speaker 7: to your point, Kelson, this just looked like people that
Speaker 7: were not where they were supposed to be and weren't
Speaker 7: sure what they needed to do. Like to me, it
Speaker 7: looked like they expected bane and for the roll out
Speaker 7: of the ring like we normally see. Yeah, the platform
Speaker 7: was there, they couldn't because the way Rosa came out
Speaker 7: and everyone was kind of stuck.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't the people.
Speaker 7: I don't think they went into business for themselves.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of people that were posting on
Speaker 1: aw fandom that said that they went into business for themselves.
Speaker 7: And it's uh.
Speaker 3: Having been some live productions that definitely just looked like
Speaker 3: you know, in those situations where like someone's not where
Speaker 3: they're supposed to be or someone thought something, it happens,
Speaker 3: and you know what, live TV, it's fine.
Speaker 9: It adds to the realism.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I did. I did find onn Dellision when Roast
Speaker 7: is like, I'm gonna him with the chair for real,
Speaker 7: this time, I was thinking, you know that works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but when I saw that bit, my
Speaker 1: my first impression and my impression right now as of today,
Speaker 1: is that I do not think that Bane nor Ford
Speaker 1: expected thunder Rosa to come in with a chair. I
Speaker 1: think they just expect her to come in and do
Speaker 1: a stare down and they would just kind of leave.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they expected the chair to be introduced,
Speaker 1: and I think that's where a miscommunication came from.
Speaker 10: You know, we've been asking for a while for like
Speaker 10: women's tag team titles or something in that realm. I'm
Speaker 10: wondering and maybe this is a bit of a stretch
Speaker 10: and maybe just me thinking of featuring something that's not
Speaker 10: actually there.
Speaker 1: But I'm wondering if, like if.
Speaker 10: This stretches out into like some type of tag team
Speaker 10: feud not necessarily the revolution. But over a period of time,
Speaker 10: could this lead to the introduction of women's tag team titles?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Probably hadn't we heard that there are supposedly belts that exist.
Speaker 1: Yes, Net said that there were women's tag team belts
Speaker 1: being designed for a W right now when she brought
Speaker 1: that out about three weeks ago or two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: But you don't want let's move out, Shane, What do
Speaker 1: you want to talk about next?
Speaker 2: I mean, we got some really sweet reporting of Speedball
Speaker 2: Mike Bailey uh clearing up his visas so he's ready
Speaker 2: to be full time with the AW.
Speaker 9: Yes, I love speedball so much.
Speaker 7: Why we didn't see him his packages before because they
Speaker 7: were a whole off until they could square away the
Speaker 7: visa stuff. Probably because he's been signed for a bit, right.
Speaker 2: Since he was done in December January the new year,
Speaker 2: so after show or whatever he signed Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sane, Sane, let me ask you a question because I
Speaker 1: am one of those people and I'm sure that there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people like me in the aa
Speaker 1: W community that I have two questions about Mike Bailey,
Speaker 1: probably the same questions I had about you, Shane. First,
Speaker 1: who the flubs Mike Speedball Mike Bailey.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: And two where where did that?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 1: Does anybody know where he got that nickname? I mean
Speaker 1: he doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen him wrestle?
Speaker 1: No, I I've seen like highlights of him, but I've
Speaker 1: actually maybe saw one match that But you knows, Mike
Speaker 1: Bailey is so educated.
Speaker 3: Thought as you the first time I heard the name speedball, like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're naming yourself after the drug that kurk Obain overdosed on. Great,
Speaker 3: But uh, no, I think it's just because he's like
Speaker 3: a fast ball. Let's speed just a ball of energy
Speaker 3: bouncing around and kicking the crap out of people.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, Shane, Yeah, so Speedball Mike Bailey has been around,
Speaker 2: uh for the He's been performing professionally since about He's
Speaker 2: been training and performing since two thousand and six. He
Speaker 2: did he debuted in Quebec with uh Mike Sidel Where
Speaker 2: that under the name of Mike Sidel way back when?
Speaker 2: But I mean, the guy is best known for his
Speaker 2: work in TNA. Last year he had probably one of
Speaker 2: the arguably one of the top five best matches of
Speaker 2: the year. He's been He's done Combat Zone, he's done
Speaker 2: d DT, he's done Revolution RevPro. He's mostly known for
Speaker 2: his work in TNA in New Japan, but I mean,
Speaker 2: the guy's been around for a long time.
Speaker 1: He is Wow, you mounted Shane when you look at
Speaker 1: the aw Ross, who is Mike Bailey comparable to? Like
Speaker 1: as far as like it's size, you know, is he
Speaker 1: I mean is he Keith Lee size or is he
Speaker 1: a Riho size? He's so he's more the Ricochet line.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, he's like middling in size. He's very agile.
Speaker 2: A lot of his move set is based on uh
Speaker 2: cut like outside of wrestling contact sports, I believe taekwondo
Speaker 2: backgrounds about then he is a taekwondo taekwond do background.
Speaker 2: Excuse me?
Speaker 9: And he could go.
Speaker 2: I mean like we're looking like with him joining the roster,
Speaker 2: we're looking at some five star matches, like just right
Speaker 2: off the ripper, you know, just bring.
Speaker 1: Who would you put him with? Who would you put
Speaker 1: him again?
Speaker 2: Immediately? Omega Omega ospe a Richet And.
Speaker 3: He's already had a banger with Lost Spray at TNA.
Speaker 3: He had that sixty minute with Josh Alexander and TNA
Speaker 3: Takeshta and Maple Leaf Pro.
Speaker 1: I mean pro.
Speaker 3: Every match he's had against some of these top AEW
Speaker 3: guys are Match of the Year contenders, five star matches,
Speaker 3: Like put him with Kenny Omega, like my fantasy booking
Speaker 3: of him as he just comes out, sees Keny Omega
Speaker 3: and he's like, I've wrestled the best in the world
Speaker 3: and I haven't had you yet, and just do it,
Speaker 3: you know, Danielson Omega.
Speaker 9: That stuff right there off the bat.
Speaker 7: One of the I was in La for Mania a
Speaker 7: couple of years ago and I went to the Blood
Speaker 7: Sports show at the Ukrainian Cultural Center and that was
Speaker 7: Kodo Abushi's first match after he left New Japan coming back,
Speaker 7: and it was against Mike Bailey. And if you guys
Speaker 7: want to see a guy who can work a bunch
Speaker 7: of different styles, watch that match. It's on YouTube, It's
Speaker 7: on Coda's official channel. But Codo Buschi versus Mike Bailey
Speaker 7: at Bloodsport in La fantastic. Coda kicks the shit out
Speaker 7: of him. But and I mean like there's one kick
Speaker 7: where he kicks the shit out of him. Not that
Speaker 7: it was a lopsided match, but it's fantastic. The guy
Speaker 7: can work a bunch of different styles. Is mixed martial
Speaker 7: arts legitimate mixed martial arts background, and I mean from
Speaker 7: a training not that he's a competitive mixed martial artist.
Speaker 7: Guy brings a lot of flavor in the ring. He's
Speaker 7: really versatile, very quick, and very agile. Would fit in
Speaker 7: with any of the high flyers and can walk to
Speaker 7: a degree work a big man style like we've seen
Speaker 7: against the Kusha and Maple Leaf pro so. I think
Speaker 7: he's a great addition of the roster and should flesh
Speaker 7: out a lot of the mid card or mid card.
Speaker 3: He can have a look match either like he's if
Speaker 3: you've not seen it yet. In GCW, he wrestles Oh God,
Speaker 3: the cutest in the world. I'm having a total grain
Speaker 3: Mutty ETO. He wrestles Muddy ETO and it is a
Speaker 3: hilarious match. He's brilliant, like he can do it all.
Speaker 3: So you literally put him in the ring with anyone
Speaker 3: and you're getting a five star match of the year content.
Speaker 2: While while we're on the topic of Guy's coming over
Speaker 2: from TNA, we also have Josh Alexander Route. I mean,
Speaker 2: like he's all but confirmed that. Yeah, I can't I
Speaker 2: see you over there, Barry. I can't wait that he's
Speaker 2: been signed with a W and that they gave him
Speaker 2: the bigger and better offer with the better promises. So
Speaker 2: I mean these two guys together, I mean, these are
Speaker 2: some very high profile you know, signings and bookings.
Speaker 1: So we got some well, Shane you know what. Other
Speaker 1: name was brought up and confirmed to be coming to AW,
Speaker 1: probably not on a permanent basis, but an excursion. Is
Speaker 1: Clark Connor. Now he is a part of Bull Club
Speaker 1: war Dogs. So is Gabe Kid, who was just with
Speaker 1: AW this past week. He's obviously on an excursion as well.
Speaker 1: I hope at least, uh, when you're looking at Clark Connor,
Speaker 1: somebody that's very closely attached to O Connor is Decla.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping when Clark comes over that THECLA follows.
Speaker 1: We get that rematch between Athena and THEKLA. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I want to know what you guys think. I mean,
Speaker 1: if Juice Robinson's anywhere near coming back, I don't know
Speaker 1: what his status is. I really don't. I want to see.
Speaker 1: I want to see Bullet Club Gold and Bullet Club
Speaker 1: war Dogs go at it really bad.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. That's that's a dream scenario though. The War
Speaker 2: of the War of the Bull Club between the two
Speaker 2: promotions where they're predominant. I mean we have Bull Club
Speaker 2: and TNA still too correct.
Speaker 3: Chris Banning is still recovering from injury, like really bad injury.
Speaker 7: So hey with with with kid coming in and what
Speaker 7: a reception gave got. I'm glad he's getting the respect
Speaker 7: because he didn't the last time he was here a
Speaker 7: couple of months ago. And I think his match against
Speaker 7: Kenny Omega at Russell Dynasty, I think it was called
Speaker 7: Russell King, can't remember which. The two shows was fantastic.
Speaker 7: If you're keeping Gabe around a little bit, especially of
Speaker 7: Clark's going to be around two with them, you do
Speaker 7: you keep reminding people that there's that rematch with him
Speaker 7: and Omega? Do they just casually pass each other backstage
Speaker 7: in the hallway every now and then when he's on TV, Like,
Speaker 7: if I'm somebody and I want to push that match,
Speaker 7: that that rematch to make it big, I want to
Speaker 7: keep reminding people there's history there, little things, just a
Speaker 7: eye to eye quick little like kind of how they
Speaker 7: teased Hangman and MGF for a while before they want
Speaker 7: into that program. I'd do that for a couple of
Speaker 7: months leading up to a Forbidden Door match, if that's
Speaker 7: where they want to do that, that that number two match,
Speaker 7: if it's not going to be in Japan, Shane, if
Speaker 7: you were to book that, how would you do it?
Speaker 2: Well? The comeback match? Yeah, Forbidden Door, Omega Kid too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Omega Kid two, Forbidden Door, Middle of the show, do
Speaker 2: it the same way they did Omega and Osprey three
Speaker 2: for Forbidden Door. I just you know, for me, for
Speaker 2: Omega and Kid, I just feel like them in a
Speaker 2: ring together is just produce so much better in Japan
Speaker 2: for some odd reason. Whenever they, you know, transplant these
Speaker 2: feuds from Japan over to America, it seems like, do
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, It seems like when Tony
Speaker 2: Kaan puts his hands on it, if it's just it
Speaker 2: just doesn't have the same impact. But I think it's
Speaker 2: headed towards for Forbidden Door. I don't think Kid is
Speaker 2: going to go directly after Omega to start.
Speaker 1: You know, well, what you say? What you wouldn't you say?
Speaker 8: Though?
Speaker 1: That Japanese fans are more knowledgeable about gay Kid and
Speaker 1: Kenny Omega than American fans are knowledgeable about Kenny Omega
Speaker 1: and Gape Kid.
Speaker 2: Well, of course, and the implication of a Bullet Club,
Speaker 2: you know, a giant bolt Club faction war. It would
Speaker 2: really you know, you'd have to be watching Bulk products
Speaker 2: to know. But yeah, of course people know Gaye Kid
Speaker 2: better in Japan. Yeah, on every single show.
Speaker 7: What was the what was the pay per view? Connors
Speaker 7: was on that he I think he was a filling
Speaker 7: for somebody, and he came out nobody knew who he was.
Speaker 7: But by the end of it, like everybody.
Speaker 2: For the one Yeah that was Cole versus Jay White
Speaker 2: versus Connors versus Orange Cassidy.
Speaker 9: No, it was for the All Atlantic title. It was like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah because OC thought Osprey that night and had
Speaker 2: probably one of my one of the best matches in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. Yeah, hell yeah yeah that match that
Speaker 2: that Orange match was insane.
Speaker 7: Yeah, came out, Connors, came out, nobody knew who he was.
Speaker 7: He didn't get much of a pop, but by the
Speaker 7: end of that match, everybody was pulling for that little
Speaker 7: guy to pull it off. Man, he did a job
Speaker 7: over it that.
Speaker 1: He is a little guy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but he went over, he got over just in
Speaker 7: the ring.
Speaker 9: Man. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Juice Robinson really quick from the broken fibula that
Speaker 2: the injury that he sustained in November. He has no
Speaker 2: timetable to come back. He is healing surgery. We probably
Speaker 2: won't see him back for months.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. One thing about Clark Connors that I enjoyed
Speaker 1: was late last year thekla Is, who is in stardom,
Speaker 1: was going against NAT's a poy and Clark Connor's actually
Speaker 1: came out and speared that's a poy in I mean,
Speaker 1: full out spired or and it was a terrific bump
Speaker 1: because NAT's a boy just took it like a champ.
Speaker 1: And a couple of weeks later, I think he tried
Speaker 1: to do the same thing again, but this time NAT's
Speaker 1: a boy stupor kicked him in the face as he
Speaker 1: was running toward him, and that was perfect too. And
Speaker 1: just go look at that. Those are two really good bumps,
Speaker 1: and again you're talking about it. It are intergender bumps,
Speaker 1: which is hard to do. It's hard to do because
Speaker 1: you could be so tentative. There was no tentativeness in this,
Speaker 1: so go check that out. But it worked really well
Speaker 1: because Clark Connors is not a big guy. He is
Speaker 1: a smaller guy. And so when you're going against somebody
Speaker 1: like Nasa Ploy who's only five to one, maybe you know,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have worked if it was somebody like Kenny Omega.
Speaker 1: But it that way, who's a little bit who's much bigger.
Speaker 1: But anyway, uh, Shane, let's move on. What do we
Speaker 1: what do we want to talk about next?
Speaker 2: Let's see, I mean, we could talk about the women.
Speaker 2: We could talk about eight of U's current state of
Speaker 2: the state of its developmental, we could talk about creative.
Speaker 2: We had some Reddit feedback. Someone asked on Reddit, should
Speaker 2: the Belts be defended every week on television? You want
Speaker 2: to start there?
Speaker 1: We could start there. My short answer is no, And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why if my long answer is this
Speaker 1: is the reason why, Because if you purposely go into
Speaker 1: a week of television saying we've got to defend the Belts,
Speaker 1: what does that have? Squash matches? And I would rather
Speaker 1: see Swear Strickland and Ricochet in a non title match
Speaker 1: rather than see Daniel Garcia against John Cruise in a
Speaker 1: title match. You see what I'm saying. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see a squash match for a title want. I
Speaker 1: don't think title matches are important on TV. What I
Speaker 1: think is important on TV are meaningful matches. And when
Speaker 1: I say meaningful matches, something that advances creative that's my answer.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's important, and I think this is
Speaker 2: something that AW fails to do. They I think it's
Speaker 2: important to make these belts, to make these championship titles significant,
Speaker 2: make them feel like something worth questing for a lot
Speaker 2: of I mean, like, now, do I believe that they
Speaker 2: should be defended every week? No, absolutely not, But I
Speaker 2: do believe that we should be defending major titles on
Speaker 2: you know, middling shows, your Dynamites, your Collisions. You should.
Speaker 2: I think these titles should be defended in other promotions
Speaker 2: if we have so much crossover, just so what's fair
Speaker 2: for everybody else? And I think that these titles should
Speaker 2: be dropped and traded on Dynamites and Collisions. I don't
Speaker 2: think that we should preserve you know, I agree, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not something we see a lot of. To be
Speaker 2: honest with you, the only time we ever see you know,
Speaker 2: belt shifts or with the women in the tag titles,
Speaker 2: which we know you know how that how that's you
Speaker 2: know structured in AW? I just uh I think that
Speaker 2: we I think the current state of the titles scene
Speaker 2: AW needs a full on overhaul. I know we talk
Speaker 2: about the Death Riders every week and what's going on
Speaker 2: with the trio's titles and who from r OH shouldn't
Speaker 2: be defending on AW television and should be on AW
Speaker 2: television full time. I think it's just time to hit
Speaker 2: the reset button on what they're doing with a lot
Speaker 2: of the title scene and kind of flip the titles,
Speaker 2: ping pong them around a little bit, kind of do
Speaker 2: a WCW late nineties. You know, let's let yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, let's let's well know yeah. No, seriously, I
Speaker 2: want to see some younger talent half their hands on
Speaker 2: the title, make these belts look look convincing, make them
Speaker 2: look less like concession prizes for for new signe for
Speaker 2: you know people that just sign promotion.
Speaker 1: Well shit, well, Shane, I know you've got your browser
Speaker 1: open right now, look it up. Does David r KTT
Speaker 1: have a kid that is wrestling age? Bring them over
Speaker 1: win the World Champions?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: You know, in all seriousness, what you said is is, yeah,
Speaker 1: While I don't think that all titles should should be defended,
Speaker 1: titles should be defended on weekly TV shows. I think
Speaker 1: it's incumbent upon AAW to make the titles interesting on
Speaker 1: TV shows by talking about them, showing building a feud
Speaker 1: for them, not necessarily having a wrestling match. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, you know, let's let's not ignore the titles
Speaker 1: and open up that briefcase so we can see the
Speaker 1: AW World Championship because it is by far right now again.
Speaker 1: And I will say this, and I will say it
Speaker 1: to the day that it's finally won by somebody. The
Speaker 1: AW World Championship is by far the most meaningless belt
Speaker 1: in AW right now because you don't see it, and
Speaker 1: it's a very.
Speaker 3: Bad I am convinced that the belt is not in
Speaker 3: that briefcase. That briefcase is way too small to be
Speaker 3: hold in the belt. So there's something else going on,
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm holding out that it's gonna be interesting,
Speaker 3: but like I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Speaker 2: You know, you guys ever seen.
Speaker 9: You think it's the.
Speaker 2: It's Marcellus Wallace's soul?
Speaker 9: No, no, what if.
Speaker 1: The only time I.
Speaker 3: Would just love for John Moxley to open the briefcase,
Speaker 3: a little light come out and go, yeah, we happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think it's the briefcase. I
Speaker 1: think it's what do you Richter's underwear? Oh god?
Speaker 6: What if it's either a new title design or a
Speaker 6: custom title design.
Speaker 9: That would be cool.
Speaker 2: But if it's the Triple B, it's the What if
Speaker 2: it's the Triple B? What if that's going to be
Speaker 2: used to manipulate m JF after this, because you know,
Speaker 2: all all sites for a lot of these guys are
Speaker 2: headed towards the World Championship. I think it'd be hilarious
Speaker 2: if it were the ship will be. I know that's
Speaker 2: a stretch. It's a stretch, but it'd be fun.
Speaker 3: Yes, briefcase and it's just a strap that he wraps
Speaker 3: around his waist. And the briefcase was the championship the
Speaker 3: whole time.
Speaker 9: Wait.
Speaker 7: So, so Kelson, coming back to your thing about some
Speaker 7: of the titles being defended, and I've mentioned this a
Speaker 7: couple of times too. One of my favorite eras of
Speaker 7: the TNT title was when Sammy and Scorpio Sky were
Speaker 7: feuding over it and Cody had it for a while
Speaker 7: and it moved around, and I feel like the TNT
Speaker 7: title in two degree the TVs title, although I understand
Speaker 7: what they're doing, Mercedes right now, Like, those are the
Speaker 7: titles that should be on TV, and they should be
Speaker 7: they should be changing hands on TV.
Speaker 1: I really do it on the pay per view two.
Speaker 7: But those are the two titles that those are those
Speaker 7: are the mid card titles. Those are the titles that
Speaker 7: when people have them, These are the people you signaling.
Speaker 7: This is the next This is the person we're starting
Speaker 7: the big push for. We're going to see if they
Speaker 7: can get elevated. How much do they get over? This
Speaker 7: is somebody we're gonna start getting behind. You can start
Speaker 7: getting people excited, and if you're saving those for only
Speaker 7: the pay per views, you're missing an opportunity. WWE is
Speaker 7: doing a lot more moving belts around, whether they're meaningful
Speaker 7: or not. People can always argue that you can do
Speaker 7: the same thing in AW but it brings some excitements
Speaker 7: to TV. And one of the problems I think a
Speaker 7: lot of us have agreed with is that you have
Speaker 7: these title matches on TV and the titles never change hands,
Speaker 7: so nobody believes it. Nobody believes it's going to be
Speaker 7: a competitive match or that the contender has a shot
Speaker 7: because we've been trained to not expect title changes on
Speaker 7: regular TV.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Keusy. You can't expect the titles to change
Speaker 1: hands on TV because there's they did away with Battle
Speaker 1: of the Belts. Well what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 1: But look, I agree with you, especially with the T
Speaker 1: and T and TBS titles. Maybe not as much with
Speaker 1: the TBS titles right now because now, yeah, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: the TBS title is not a big card title in
Speaker 1: AW right now. It's pretty up there. But the TNT
Speaker 1: title is an open challenge title, and it should be
Speaker 1: done that way. At least every two weeks, have Daniel
Speaker 1: garcias the champion, come out and do an open challenge.
Speaker 1: But again, as I said earlier, I don't want to
Speaker 1: see an open challenge with a Max Caster kind of
Speaker 1: thing going on where the challenge is met and it's
Speaker 1: just a squash total total opposite max Caster. But you
Speaker 1: know what, Max Caster is out there, he's going to
Speaker 1: get his.
Speaker 2: Ship be did you know, so, Kelson? How disappointing was
Speaker 2: it that we didn't get Max Caster and gave kid
Speaker 2: on Collision.
Speaker 9: Uh the weekend.
Speaker 1: I would have liked to have seen it, but I
Speaker 1: I don't want Max Caster to die just yet, So
Speaker 1: let's save it for a little while, you know, till
Speaker 1: till we absolutely get tired of it. And then gave
Speaker 1: Kid could kill him.
Speaker 7: Hey, Butcher put on a banger, man. Those guys beat
Speaker 7: the crap out of each other. That that handmark on
Speaker 7: Kid's chest from that chop he took from Butcher. I
Speaker 7: bet she's still there now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Butcher's uprated. Yeah, well, look, let's move on. I
Speaker 1: do want to talk about Creative as a whole personally
Speaker 1: since the beginning of twenty twenty five and a w
Speaker 1: debuting on Max. Other than maybe there was that one
Speaker 1: Dynamite that we kind of felt as a crew here
Speaker 1: was a little bit lacking. It wasn't bad, but it
Speaker 1: was a little bit lacking. Dynamites and Collision since January
Speaker 1: first have been thoroughly enjoyable. Yeah, there's stuff that didn't
Speaker 1: that hasn't worked. I mean, you're gonna have that, But
Speaker 1: by and large, Dynamite and Collision have been entertaining as hell,
Speaker 1: and that's what it's all about. And they've been jam
Speaker 1: packed with content and and it's flowed so well from
Speaker 1: from from uh okay, okay, shade, No, I know.
Speaker 2: I get what you're lying down, so like, just what
Speaker 2: was she saying?
Speaker 1: What was what was your child saying? I was at
Speaker 1: a little I couldn't really see is that a little
Speaker 1: boy or little girl?
Speaker 9: Anakin?
Speaker 1: Sorry guys, yeah, because what would sheriffs? You know, everybody
Speaker 1: heard it? So what was you know? You have to
Speaker 1: go get get out of some juice or something of
Speaker 1: your kid, get go take care of your kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But as I was saying, dynamite collision have been spot on.
Speaker 1: Do you guys agree with that? I mean.
Speaker 7: I would agree with what do you think?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I would agree with that that from what I've been seeing,
Speaker 6: you know, as a guy who doesn't have access to
Speaker 6: dynamite but watches a lot of this stuff off of
Speaker 6: the YouTube channel. Uh, the dynamites have been looking pretty good.
Speaker 6: The masses have been pretty meaningful, and especially with the
Speaker 6: fact that AW is finally starting to do what I've
Speaker 6: been nagging at them to do for years, which is
Speaker 6: do a W related storylines exclusively in ady W. For example,
Speaker 6: the Hangman and MJF feud. That's like totally original, out
Speaker 6: there concepts and it's all like there's no need to
Speaker 6: mention new to Japan. There's no need to mention what
Speaker 6: you did in Ring them hon Or ten years ago.
Speaker 6: It's all about what you're doing and in AEW square,
Speaker 6: that's what's important to the promotion right now, and that's
Speaker 6: what they need to do more of now. There is
Speaker 6: a problem I'm still having with them other than like
Speaker 6: maybe title stuff, but that's one of the other topics.
Speaker 6: So yeah, what does another person.
Speaker 1: Think, Well, I want to interject something in here. My
Speaker 1: biggest worry with AEW's creative right now takes place in
Speaker 1: a few months, and that's Forbidden Door. Because forbidden Door.
Speaker 1: I said it before and I will say it again.
Speaker 1: Forbidden Door has no place in story. They should just
Speaker 1: put it on with no story attached to it, because
Speaker 1: when they try to do stories for Forbidden Door, it's
Speaker 1: kills all momentum. Yeah, Forbidden Door is a great momentum killer.
Speaker 1: And people are always saying, well, when did aw start
Speaker 1: losing ratings and all this stuff when they introduce Forbidden Door,
Speaker 1: because it takes the most wrestling fans are casual fans.
Speaker 1: They're not invested in it. That's hey, Look, if Tony
Speaker 1: Kahn wants to risk it, that's well and fine. It's
Speaker 1: his money, it's his company. All I'm saying is you're
Speaker 1: gonna lose fans by promoting the hell out of Forbidden
Speaker 1: Door with storylines. Just say, Hey, we're gonna do Gabe
Speaker 1: Kid and Kenny Omega too. Forbidden Door show a couple
Speaker 1: of vignettes. Don't have them screaming and yelling each other
Speaker 1: and face to face in the ring and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's a waste of time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And if I can interdict as a veteran of
Speaker 6: calling Forbidden Door filler season, I can agree that this
Speaker 6: pay per view needs to be out of AW programming
Speaker 6: and just behab It's its own thing. I'm a good guy.
Speaker 6: Can I just come home from college and not have
Speaker 6: to deal with filler season as the first bit of
Speaker 6: AW storyline bullcrap? I get for Summers.
Speaker 1: I would be more excited about Forbid and Door if
Speaker 1: they did it every two or three years instead of
Speaker 1: as that's my opinion.
Speaker 9: I don't know. I thoroughly enjoy Forbidden Door.
Speaker 3: I get the whole like it kind of puts a
Speaker 3: kind of pumps the brakes on all the ae W
Speaker 3: stories that are happening.
Speaker 9: I get that.
Speaker 3: I can't disagree with it, but I I finally understand
Speaker 3: the appeal of like the Marvel Extended Universe and stuff
Speaker 3: where like, oh, this superhero is meeting this guy from
Speaker 3: this comic that they don't exist together, but now they do.
Speaker 3: Like seeing the crossover, I just love that. I can't
Speaker 3: help it. I'm a sucker. What can I say, I'm
Speaker 3: a dumb mark.
Speaker 7: So I mean, there's a crossover taping live right now
Speaker 7: with NXC and CNA. Crossovers are fun, There's there's a
Speaker 7: lot of pop when you mix talent. And I know
Speaker 7: some people don't like Forbidden Door season, and I think
Speaker 7: there's completely valid criticisms and arguments for that. But the
Speaker 7: third highest gate for aw's history was for Bidden Door
Speaker 7: in Toronto, and I think that strong gate, especially in
Speaker 7: London this year, is going to continue in August. I
Speaker 7: think to your point, Kelson, there's a better way to
Speaker 7: program it, especially since a lot of the big stars
Speaker 7: that drove those two first for Ben Gore's are now
Speaker 7: in AW and there isn't as much appeal for people
Speaker 7: left in New Japan. You know, Gabe Kid is not
Speaker 7: at the level of Willaspray, He's not at the level
Speaker 7: of Okada as far as mixing talent, there's work to
Speaker 7: do there, and if they want it to not feel
Speaker 7: like filler season, you got to start those builds now,
Speaker 7: little teases here and there, so that to your point,
Speaker 7: maybe they just build it like they did for Grand
Speaker 7: Slam so it doesn't take away too much. It just
Speaker 7: kind of fits in really nicely in the middle of
Speaker 7: a bunch of other stories, and then you have a
Speaker 7: couple AW versus AW matches to flesh it out, so
Speaker 7: you keep the main store lines going and it's just
Speaker 7: a feature show. But I don't think it should go away.
Speaker 7: I think that crossed the motion is there and bring
Speaker 7: me in CMLL and even Ring of Honor talent that
Speaker 7: like they did at Russell Dynasty, I think is the
Speaker 7: way to go.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in here what Shane has to say about this,
Speaker 1: because when it comes to Forbidden Door three, which is
Speaker 1: the only Forbidden Door I have purchased, I had no
Speaker 1: interest in Forbidden Door one, I had no interest in
Speaker 1: Forbidden Door two. I did buy Forbidden Door three because
Speaker 1: I wanted to see Tony Storm and Mina shir Kawa,
Speaker 1: and as it happens, that's the only match I remember
Speaker 1: from that entire pay per view Shane Art of matches
Speaker 1: as somebody that is bitto Forbidden Door and into the
Speaker 1: lore and all that and the history of these wrestlers.
Speaker 1: Did you find Forbidden Door three memorable?
Speaker 2: I mean in comparison to the first two? Yeah, listen,
Speaker 2: I we've had the business.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to buy.
Speaker 3: The thing you've got to remember is that we've got
Speaker 3: like eight pay per views a year now versus five
Speaker 3: when the first Forbidden Door happened.
Speaker 7: So that's a trilli good point.
Speaker 9: We're gonna be the first.
Speaker 3: One is gonna be really memorable versus the third one when,
Speaker 3: like I said, it's one to be well.
Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like they're starting to already build
Speaker 2: story for Forbidden Door, and it looks like they're starting
Speaker 2: with Bullet Club. That's kind of how it looks right now.
Speaker 2: So this is me, this is wishful thinking.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 2: To answer your question, I completely decide. I have always,
Speaker 2: since the inception of this channel, disagreed with the greater
Speaker 2: belief that Forbidden Door does not belong in AW programming.
Speaker 9: It does.
Speaker 2: I you know, we wouldn't have AW if it wasn't
Speaker 2: for this giant project of trying to pull all of
Speaker 2: these promotions together and get everyone in the best of
Speaker 2: the world into the same place. AW truly is the
Speaker 2: melting pot of the greater promotions, and I think to
Speaker 2: have a pay per view to commemorate, you know, this
Speaker 2: giant project where they're bringing all of these people in
Speaker 2: and having those crossovers, those dream matches, those one offs. Man,
Speaker 2: just let the let the mega nerds have it, you know,
Speaker 2: I want to say, I mean disrespectfully, stop bitching and
Speaker 2: moaning about it. Who cares. You're gonna get it whether
Speaker 2: you like it or not.
Speaker 1: My point here, Shane is is that even like last year,
Speaker 1: the several weeks before Forbidden Door, you had dou Japan
Speaker 1: wrestlers showing up in AW and doing these you know,
Speaker 1: preparation matches, I guess is the best way to put it,
Speaker 1: you know, to try to get people to know who
Speaker 1: they were watching. And even a couple of weeks after
Speaker 1: Forbidden Door, so you're looking at four or five weeks
Speaker 1: to Forbid Door took a AW programming largely out of
Speaker 1: its out of its comfort zone. I guess for people
Speaker 1: that want to watch AW don't want to watch do Japan,
Speaker 1: you know, uh now, perly for me if they wanted
Speaker 1: to impress me at Forbidden Door, for you bring in
Speaker 1: more started you bringing more star Let's go, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: I would watch. I have no interest in watching, you know,
Speaker 1: frankly speaking as something I can't remember who said it.
Speaker 1: I think it may have been Berry, may have been sleazy.
Speaker 1: But AW already has the big names from New Japan
Speaker 1: and the ones that they haven't gotten yet they've seen
Speaker 1: plenty of times. And then you have you know, Tanahashi,
Speaker 1: who the great nilis Ace. You know, seriously, I mean,
Speaker 1: who does a who does New Japan have left? You know,
Speaker 1: I would definitely watch for If Forbidden Door was an
Speaker 1: all a w against stardom women's pay per view, I
Speaker 1: would definitely watch that over anything else that they could
Speaker 1: possibly put out.
Speaker 2: You got Tessy, you got Shingo Takagi, you got the
Speaker 2: potential of Koda Bushi, who shared between the term two
Speaker 2: promotions coming back. You have implications between the House of
Speaker 2: Torture with Jack Perry and the division between the elite.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of things that you have
Speaker 2: the Bullet Club and the potential between Faction war.
Speaker 1: I mean I get that it's either, but look, Shane
Speaker 1: Zach Saber Junior. We've seen Zach Saber Junior do these before,
Speaker 1: and these glorified exhibition matches where there's no hope. If
Speaker 1: you want to impress me, put a title on a
Speaker 1: new Japan wrestler. You know, I don't want to see
Speaker 1: Japan super I don't want to see the new Japan
Speaker 1: superstars coming over to a w and losing. Goddamn always
Speaker 1: let me put it that way. I want to see
Speaker 1: there's got to be some kind of mph to these matches.
Speaker 1: There's got to be, you know, some kind of I
Speaker 1: don't know how to put it, like you're leaning behind them.
Speaker 7: So Kelson, I think you bring up a good point.
Speaker 7: And if anybody would watch Russell Dynasty, it was the
Speaker 7: inverse of Forbidden Door. It was it was mostly aw
Speaker 7: people doing the job for New Japan folks, as it
Speaker 7: should be because it's their show. I look at the
Speaker 7: New Japan roster and their champions right now. You got gods,
Speaker 7: the heavyweight champ, you got guys.
Speaker 1: We all know.
Speaker 7: Takesha's got the never Open Went title. I think he's
Speaker 7: going to be defending that. Yoda Suji's a great young guy.
Speaker 7: You got Gabe Kid. You really don't need to bring
Speaker 7: a lot of New Japan people over for Forbidden Door
Speaker 7: to work. It's not necessarily just AW versus New Japan.
Speaker 7: So you only need to bring ahead. You know, maybe
Speaker 7: you do a tag with Nido and Takahashi is against
Speaker 7: whoever that the tag champs are in AW. You only
Speaker 7: need a handful of guys. You bring in enough stardom people,
Speaker 7: two or three stardom matches versus AW matches. You bring
Speaker 7: in some CMML guys so we can get Mordos and
Speaker 7: Hologram and a couple of CML high flyers. You bring
Speaker 7: in Mystico, you know which they've got at the San
Speaker 7: Diego show this or no, he's in the we at
Speaker 7: the San Francisco show. You can book this Forbidden Door
Speaker 7: pay per view a lot different than the other ones
Speaker 7: now because so many people have moved around that I
Speaker 7: don't think it should just be like they did in
Speaker 7: the past. So that you can have some folks in,
Speaker 7: you can build some storylines over time. I mean, they've
Speaker 7: got to tell August. You just need to start teasing things.
Speaker 7: That's why I was coming back to that Gave Kid thing.
Speaker 7: If he's going to be on TV. Every time he's
Speaker 7: on aaw I want him to pass Kenny Omega backstage.
Speaker 7: I want them to share that uncomfortable moment so we
Speaker 7: can see that tension between them, so that fans start
Speaker 7: to realize here in the States what that storyline is
Speaker 7: for them. So when they do have that match, ideally
Speaker 7: it for Bidden Door, it means something. And you can
Speaker 7: do that with the other talent. Start bringing them in
Speaker 7: now two or three episodes on TV. Add them bump
Speaker 7: into somebody. Then they come back in a couple more
Speaker 7: weeks they bump into that same person again. Start building
Speaker 7: these feuds that you can you can book for this
Speaker 7: pay per view, real slow between some of these people,
Speaker 7: so that it isn't filler season. We're pulling from now
Speaker 7: six months of television where these people start.
Speaker 1: To true you know that must make sense. I just
Speaker 1: don't want to see the three weeks before Forbidden Door
Speaker 1: to two weeks after Forbidden Door wasted on putting a
Speaker 1: w on the shelf, because that's what they've been doing
Speaker 1: for the last three years.
Speaker 6: If you want to add some tension. Yeah, the perfect
Speaker 6: example of the the perfect example to add ten the
Speaker 6: perfect amount of tension is if you have the amount
Speaker 6: of tension that Trevor Murdoch versus Nick Alis had for
Speaker 6: their NWA World Heavyweight Championship match a couple of years ago,
Speaker 6: Like it would be a little bit too long to
Speaker 6: get into the full glorified story, but that had so
Speaker 6: much tension. It was Trevor Murdoch's career versus this champion
Speaker 6: who had been ruling for over a thousand days, which
Speaker 6: hadn't been done in the NWA's title history for a
Speaker 6: very long time.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's easy where we're What I'm saying
Speaker 1: is is that look at what a W and Stardom
Speaker 1: did building the Tony Storm versus Mina shir Kawa match
Speaker 1: at Forbidden Door, and it kind of speaks to what
Speaker 1: Barry is talking about. It went on for months and
Speaker 1: it was a slow build and it didn't take away
Speaker 1: from AAW because Mina shir Kawa was in ae W
Speaker 1: during that time on an excursion. You can't expect people,
Speaker 1: you know, that are casual watchers of ae W to
Speaker 1: get invested in people that they're being introduced to two
Speaker 1: weeks before or three weeks before show. That's a big show.
Speaker 1: It's a waste of time. You know, I said, I
Speaker 1: know stardom wrestlers, so I would as I said, I
Speaker 1: would definitely watch a starter versus ad W women's pay
Speaker 1: per view. I do not believe that most the people
Speaker 1: on this panel, or most of the people in the
Speaker 1: aw Fano community would watch that because they don't know
Speaker 1: stardom like I do. But if you take the time,
Speaker 1: as Barry said, to start bringing over stardom wrestlers and
Speaker 1: introduce them and maybe bring them back three or four
Speaker 1: weeks later and introduce them again whatever, and then do
Speaker 1: to pay per view when is from the doors it
Speaker 1: in July this year, August. Okay, you have plenty of
Speaker 1: time to build without shoving it down our throats and
Speaker 1: putting aw on the back burner for several weeks before.
Speaker 5: That's my major The major problem with that is you
Speaker 5: can't you can't bring those people in all the time
Speaker 5: like that because you don't have the visa problems. There's
Speaker 5: not they don't have. They're not always able to come here.
Speaker 5: Look at how long it took for was it Riho
Speaker 5: that was going for a while because of her?
Speaker 1: Because of her?
Speaker 9: I thought it was ReHO.
Speaker 1: It might not have been here.
Speaker 5: It was one of the Japanese women who wrestled all
Speaker 5: the time in aw had visa problems.
Speaker 9: That's part of the issue.
Speaker 1: You can't bring people in.
Speaker 5: You can't bring like if they bring people in now,
Speaker 5: they may not be able to bring It's going to
Speaker 5: be in London, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It is going to be in London.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Okay, So I don't know.
Speaker 7: Us for the UK and the states they got to
Speaker 7: deal with.
Speaker 5: So you know, it's it's awesome to think that would
Speaker 5: be great to do, but you're not going to get
Speaker 5: to bring those people in. You're not gonna be able
Speaker 5: to do that the way we would like them to.
Speaker 5: For the simple fact is visa problems are an issue
Speaker 5: and it's going that's something they have to look into.
Speaker 5: My opinion on Forbidden Door is keep doing what they're doing.
Speaker 5: If you if you let it take away from ae W.
Speaker 5: That's on the people who are watching a W because
Speaker 5: it is. I don't agree. I agree with the fact
Speaker 5: that they shouldn't make it into the stories about it.
Speaker 5: I don't see the reason to do that. But the
Speaker 5: bigger problem with Forbidden Doors where it falls with all
Speaker 5: in and all out being the next three week. I mean,
Speaker 5: you have three pay per views in three weeks. That
Speaker 5: makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 1: I and I honestly believe that with Forbidden Door, if
Speaker 1: you made YouTube videos and AW also puts a lot
Speaker 1: of videos out on Twitter, you know, for promotional purposes.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, exclusively, If you exclusively did YouTube videos and
Speaker 11: Twitter videos and maybe dedicated five minutes, ten minutes maybe
Speaker 11: tops to AW shows three weeks prior to.
Speaker 1: Forbidden Door to Forbidden Door, I think that you would
Speaker 1: get just as many people watching it as you did
Speaker 1: without wasting all that time.
Speaker 2: I really I kind of.
Speaker 9: Agree with that.
Speaker 5: I think they would be better off if they did
Speaker 5: more vignettes and stuff like that for it. You don't
Speaker 5: have half if people come here. I mean, you know
Speaker 5: you can do that kind of I mean, there's some
Speaker 5: of those that are even better at doing that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff than they are doing lives stuff.
Speaker 9: So you know, it's just one of those things.
Speaker 1: Who is the guy that comes over every Forbidden Door
Speaker 1: season and wrestles his ass off? Come a hero is?
Speaker 1: And how many matches is one? Zero?
Speaker 7: God?
Speaker 1: Who gives a ship? I don't give a shit about Ishi.
Speaker 1: I should give a shit about Ishi, but I don't
Speaker 1: because the only thing I've ever seen is do is lose.
Speaker 1: Don't even get me started on Minora Suzuki. Now, manoras
Speaker 1: Azuki is fantastic, but he comes over and he loses
Speaker 1: all the time. Name me a Japanese wrestler, and it's
Speaker 1: come over here and won consistently.
Speaker 3: In general, they all work for aw Cape Kidd beat
Speaker 3: the Butcher.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's gonna be a Forbidden Door. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: win if it's a title match, so what's the point
Speaker 1: of even having him.
Speaker 7: It's not gonna be a title match. And against Kenny Omega.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well Ken Omega may have a title by then.
Speaker 7: So maybe.
Speaker 3: But I'm really hoping that like that with last Forbidden Door,
Speaker 3: they were kind of testing the waters of title changes,
Speaker 3: you know, like John Moxley won the world title over
Speaker 3: in Japan and then dropped it in America. I'm hoping
Speaker 3: this was the company's testing the water for title switches
Speaker 3: at these pay per views, and maybe, like you would
Speaker 3: say earlier Nelson, like we'll get somebody, you know, We'll
Speaker 3: get a Japanese wrestler winning the t the TNT title,
Speaker 3: and we'll get you know, uh An a w star
Speaker 3: winning one of the you know, a TV title or
Speaker 3: or some title from New Japan. I think that would
Speaker 3: have the kind of excitement you're looking.
Speaker 1: One of the things that we said on this podcast
Speaker 1: prior to Forbidden Door was it would be so great,
Speaker 1: so great if Mina Serika would be Tony Storm, even
Speaker 1: if it was only for two or three weeks, you know,
Speaker 1: because it would have been you know, added mystery and
Speaker 1: mystique to these matches Forbidden Doors Battle the Belts that
Speaker 1: you pay for.
Speaker 9: Hey, I of the Belts live and I had a
Speaker 9: great time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you did. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm not gonna pay. I am not
Speaker 1: going to pay for another Battle of the Belts, no, seriously,
Speaker 1: And that's what I refuse to pay for Forbidden Door.
Speaker 1: I will not watch Forbidden Door. I have no interest
Speaker 1: in Forbidden Door. If it was free, if it was
Speaker 1: free on me, I would not watch Forbidden Door because
Speaker 1: it's boring to me.
Speaker 2: Why dude, you're getting banger matches out of Forbidden Door,
Speaker 2: regardless of the stories that you're building around it.
Speaker 1: I don't. I am kind of like WWE fans and
Speaker 1: their critique of a w and I said this a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. A w can't put on banger
Speaker 1: matches just for the sake of having banger matches. There's
Speaker 1: gotta be story behind it.
Speaker 3: For the sake of banger matches. I mean, I would
Speaker 3: prefer story like you can mix the two. It doesn't
Speaker 3: have to be all one or all the other.
Speaker 1: You know, have a bang Let me put it this way.
Speaker 1: Kyle Fletcher and Will Osprey have a match out of
Speaker 1: the Blue tomorrow night on Dynamite. Yes, that'll be a
Speaker 1: banger match. But guess what, there's this there's going to
Speaker 1: be a chance of there being story behind it. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna have it for dorm match. That's the end
Speaker 1: of the story.
Speaker 3: I just said at the beginning of this podcast about
Speaker 3: Mike Bailey, my fantasy booking is just to have him
Speaker 3: walk out up to Kenny Omega and say I've wrestled
Speaker 3: the best in the world, i haven't wrestled you, and
Speaker 3: just a banger.
Speaker 9: Match like it. But there.
Speaker 1: Could be a story added to that, you know. But
Speaker 1: there's no story possible with Forbidden Door.
Speaker 9: So need to be stories Forbidden Door. That's not what
Speaker 9: forbidden doors.
Speaker 5: For Forbidden Door is to get two three companies that
Speaker 5: don't interact on a normal basis and have matches. If
Speaker 5: they're banger matches whatever, there doesn't have to be story
Speaker 5: for them to be good matches. In a come in
Speaker 5: a inter.
Speaker 1: That they're not good matches. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: they're not banger matches. I'm saying that they are completely
Speaker 1: meaningless matches to a w fans, I'm gonna ask Steve
Speaker 1: a question. Steve, you're a fan of the Winnipeg Jets. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's the NHL hockey team, the Winnipeg Jets. Who is
Speaker 1: the Winnipeg Jets affiliates in I guess the AHL or
Speaker 1: whatever other micro league.
Speaker 9: It's the Manitoba Moose.
Speaker 1: The Manitoba Moose. Okay, if you saw the Winnipeg Jets
Speaker 1: have an exhibition match against the Manitoba Moose, would you
Speaker 1: watch it? Would you go to go to it? I
Speaker 1: actually saw the Pittsburgh Penguins played Wilkesbarre Scranton Penguins in
Speaker 1: an exhibition match. I had a great time. It was
Speaker 1: a really cool event. Okay, but but would you go
Speaker 1: see it again and again and again and again and
Speaker 1: again and again and again.
Speaker 2: No, it only needs to be like once and I'll
Speaker 2: be happy exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's my thought about the Forbid Door. That's why
Speaker 1: I said that they should do it every two or
Speaker 1: three years instead of every year, because I don't think
Speaker 1: people are looking forward to Forbidden Door year well, because
Speaker 1: I think it will solve well because it's in London.
Speaker 7: I think you're projecting a bit Herekelson. The buy rates
Speaker 7: for Bin Dorbin Fine, the ticket sales for Bean doorab
Speaker 7: and Fine. What you're articulating is the challenges with booking
Speaker 7: the television. And I think you're right, and I think
Speaker 7: all of us have agreed that there is a better
Speaker 7: way to book that. And one of the reasons why
Speaker 7: you don't care and other fans don't care, is because
Speaker 7: they do a bad job creating that interest with casual fans.
Speaker 7: And I'm using that in the sense of fans that
Speaker 7: watch only AW or only WWE or something that don't
Speaker 7: have the broader scope of the international scene like a
Speaker 7: lot of us on this podcast do. And to do that,
Speaker 7: to your point, Kelson, you need to plant those seeds
Speaker 7: so that indoor comes. You're paying off a bunch of smaller,
Speaker 7: little storylines that have been intertwined in the background of
Speaker 7: the broader AW stuff, and doing that fixes that problem.
Speaker 7: But a but Forbidden Door as a showcase for New Japan,
Speaker 7: AW stardom, CMML and Ring of Honor has a place,
Speaker 7: and doing it once once a year makes sense. It's
Speaker 7: a fun show represented as an international showcase as opposed
Speaker 7: to your point, is like an exhibition as opposed to
Speaker 7: necessarily being main storyline.
Speaker 1: Cannon, Well, let me ask you a question, Barry, would
Speaker 1: you agree that aw's on a hot streak right now
Speaker 1: as far.
Speaker 7: I think they're programming since the Hammerstein shows have been
Speaker 7: very good.
Speaker 1: Right, let's just assume and hope that AW keeps that
Speaker 1: up until late July. Then that's what Forbid Door season starts.
Speaker 1: That everything that AAW has built is now set aside
Speaker 1: to do build because this is what's happened in the
Speaker 1: in the past. Everything AW has done up until July
Speaker 1: is set aside so that that they could build for
Speaker 1: a pay per view.
Speaker 7: That forbidden So I agreement with that, though from a
Speaker 7: timing perspective, I think this year is a little different
Speaker 7: because Forbidden Door is after all in all in is
Speaker 7: their season finale. So if you're going to start your
Speaker 7: new season after all In, And I don't think I
Speaker 7: could be wrong, but I don't think all Out a
Speaker 7: scheduled to be like two weeks later like it was before.
Speaker 7: Maybe maybe that does happen. If they died, then it's
Speaker 7: maybe it does. They haven't announced it yet, But four
Speaker 7: weeks later is forbidden door. And if you're going to
Speaker 7: do an exposition style, I think at the beginning of
Speaker 7: the new season is the better place to do it,
Speaker 7: as opposed to in the middle of the whole TV
Speaker 7: season like they've done previously, where it's you know, you've
Speaker 7: got all In as your your you know, to steal
Speaker 7: from WrestleMania, your your your WrestleMania WWE season ending thing.
Speaker 7: If all In is there into the season, I think
Speaker 7: it makes a lot of sense to have it as
Speaker 7: your as your kickoff to the new season, build up
Speaker 7: some exhibition stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, my whole point is that if AW keeps on
Speaker 1: this hot streak, I will be so dreading Forbidden Door
Speaker 1: because it's just gonna kill all the momentum that AW
Speaker 1: has garnered. I'm sorry, it just will. It's a proven
Speaker 1: fact three years in a row.
Speaker 2: I don't think that it assume, given that the landscape
Speaker 2: has changed so drastically, I don't think that it's fair
Speaker 2: to assume, coming into this Forbidden Door that it's going
Speaker 2: to pump the brakes on any major programming especially I
Speaker 2: agree with you Berry with you know, Forbidden Door taking
Speaker 2: place after all in it kind of gives them it's
Speaker 2: a it's a more of a healthy reset where they
Speaker 2: could go into it fresh and to actually take the
Speaker 2: time to build the stories now, which it looks like
Speaker 2: they're starting to do. You know. I think that we shouldn't,
Speaker 2: you know, pass judgment on this until it actually comes
Speaker 2: into fruition. I think Forbidden Door is going to be
Speaker 2: great this year. I'll say it now, I'll call the ball.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be fantastic.
Speaker 1: Well, what did you think of Russell Dynasty? Shane Mid?
Speaker 1: It was mid okay because I didn't watch it because
Speaker 1: to me it was Forbid Door. I have no interest
Speaker 1: in that. So I did keep an eye on it
Speaker 1: through like what was being said in discord and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, so I knew who won. But I can
Speaker 1: get as much out of Forbid Door by watching what
Speaker 1: people are saying on Twitter that I can from you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have to waste four or five hours on
Speaker 1: banger meaningless bang banger matches at that's where.
Speaker 7: They sell tickets and they sell buy rates to this Kelson.
Speaker 7: They're going to keep doing it.
Speaker 1: Man, I know there's something, but I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, you know, my you know,
Speaker 1: we were talking when we got out of the Forbidden
Speaker 1: Door subject. We were talking about creative and again AW
Speaker 1: is on a hot street creatively right now. They're again
Speaker 1: not everything is hit, but a lot more is hitting
Speaker 1: than it is missing. And they're doing it the right way.
Speaker 1: They're building story. They're doing really, I mean, everything is entertaining,
Speaker 1: even the smallest stuff. Everything. And one of the things
Speaker 1: I like about what A and W is doing, for example,
Speaker 1: swear Strickland and Ricochet, the Back's caster thing, everything that's
Speaker 1: there's so many things like this, Megan Bain and Penelope
Speaker 1: Forward against stat Lander at Rosa. There's no titles involved.
Speaker 1: You don't have to have titles involved in order to
Speaker 1: have good stories and make a match meaningful, because those
Speaker 1: matches are meaningful. Who wins, Hey, they win?
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: My point is that's what I want to see from
Speaker 1: my ae W. I want to see more of this.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see them sending out people like
Speaker 1: will Osprey against Gabe K tomorrow Tomorrow night, will Osprey
Speaker 1: and Gabe Kid. Yeah, it'll be a beggar match, but
Speaker 1: it'd be meaningless, you know. And what I'm saying about
Speaker 1: that is that understand me if they send out a
Speaker 1: Gabe Kid and will Osprey tomorrow and it would be
Speaker 1: an epic fail because they didn't promote it. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, You've gotta if you're gonna put out
Speaker 1: that kind of match, say you're gonna have that match
Speaker 1: four weeks ago.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 1: That's That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Pay per views in August. They got a lot of
Speaker 7: time to book it. To your point, Kelson, if they
Speaker 7: if they don't, if they don't build before and start
Speaker 7: that stuff in May and June, or keep these storylines
Speaker 7: just kind of planting the seeds now. To your point, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's it's gonna be it's gonna be boring for a
Speaker 7: lot of casuals or somebody or I.
Speaker 1: Totally agree with you on that, is that they need
Speaker 1: to plant the seeds up until Forbidden Door. Don't wait
Speaker 1: until three weeks for Bid Door put a W on
Speaker 1: the back back burner so they can promote Forbidden Door.
Speaker 1: Because that's that that doesn't work for me. Brother, That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean like we're all in agreement basically, Yeah,
Speaker 9: for bid Door.
Speaker 2: Is gonna be awesome. So so I kind of to
Speaker 2: segue into the next topic. You know what, can we
Speaker 2: Are we really happy with what's going on creatively right now?
Speaker 2: And do we see you know, the long term, are
Speaker 2: we building into our bigger pay per views or like,
Speaker 2: does it finally look like there's been a shift in
Speaker 2: where we kind of been deadlocked in some of the stories,
Speaker 2: you know, the death Right, Yeah, the death Rids. You know,
Speaker 2: it seems yes, it looks like we're starting to push
Speaker 2: past past some of that stuff.
Speaker 7: Do you know if they've gotten new people producing backstage
Speaker 7: because Kelson brought us up to the flow of the
Speaker 7: shows is a lot better. And I mean even from
Speaker 7: Dynamite to Collision, but even Interra show and I want
Speaker 7: to come back to something I thought that was really creative.
Speaker 7: They did a couple of weeks ago with Max cast
Speaker 7: he bumped into Hangman and Hangman him. I don't remember
Speaker 7: what happened. They had beef backstage, and then Hangman started
Speaker 7: following them, and then like twenty minutes later, thirty minutes later,
Speaker 7: Max comes out and somebody's cutting a promo and he
Speaker 7: gets in their face and he's like, hang Man, it
Speaker 7: was a Jay White maybe, and then like boom, Hangman's
Speaker 7: music hit. Like I thought that was a real clever
Speaker 7: way to weave stuff in, and that's stuff they didn't
Speaker 7: do before.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know if there's somebody new producing, but really,
Speaker 7: since the Hammerstein shows these everything seems to fit. It
Speaker 7: makes sense. It doesn't all land. Sometimes a spot doesn't
Speaker 7: get over, sometimes an angle falls flat, whatever it happens,
Speaker 7: but it makes sense. There isn't a lot of stuff
Speaker 7: going on that I'm like, why did that happen? Or
Speaker 7: what's this all about? Like everything seems to make sense
Speaker 7: on why it's occurring. So I'm really interested to find
Speaker 7: out if there's new people helping to produce, or they
Speaker 7: just they've done some different changes or some folks got elevated,
Speaker 7: because it definitely feels like a vibe change for this
Speaker 7: year for sure.
Speaker 1: In your point to Barry's point, I agree with you,
Speaker 1: Like when people are bumping. MGF bumped in the Hangman
Speaker 1: and then they did something. Megan Bain bumped in the
Speaker 1: Chris Statlander in between matches. One was going up the
Speaker 1: ramp and was coming down the ramp. Megan Bain then
Speaker 1: returned after Statlander's match and took Statlander out. And now
Speaker 1: look what's happening. We've got a match between Statlander and Baine,
Speaker 1: which was not It doesn't seem like it was a
Speaker 1: one off. We've got a story that's actually expanded now
Speaker 1: to both Penelope Forward and Tho the Rosa. You know.
Speaker 1: One of the other things is that we noticed you
Speaker 1: were not all the talk on Tuesday after Dynamite Barry,
Speaker 1: but we have the entire itinerary of the show up
Speaker 1: in our chat. You have to scroll up forever because
Speaker 1: we had some guests chatting. But the point is it
Speaker 1: was like fifteen different segments in a two hour show.
Speaker 1: Fifteen different segments, some of them repeated, like something that
Speaker 1: happened earlier in the show, they went back to it
Speaker 1: in the middle of the show and then had the
Speaker 1: match at the end of the show, or had the
Speaker 1: confrontation at the end of the show.
Speaker 7: Really well paced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the shows with Remember this is a fifteen hour
Speaker 1: show with how four or five matches on it, But
Speaker 1: you had different things big whether it was backstage stuff
Speaker 1: in rings, donal vignettes. You had all this stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and as you said, it just flowed one right into
Speaker 1: the other seamlessly, and it was really well done.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they struggled with really, I mean they struggled a
Speaker 7: lot in twenty twenty four. I don't think anybody, anybody
Speaker 7: who's a fan of AW objectively you should be able
Speaker 7: to ack knowledge. They struggled a lot with that. There
Speaker 7: was a lot of challenges with that and the recap packages,
Speaker 7: even little things like like the announcement for the crew. Right,
Speaker 7: so maybe some people don't like action and ready and
Speaker 7: we are rush. That's fine, but we have some beef
Speaker 7: to them. They have a name. Now, we were getting
Speaker 7: some vignettes. There's something there. Whether they get over or not,
Speaker 7: as separate like that's the kind of stuff you want
Speaker 7: to see. They're presenting somebody as a big deal and
Speaker 7: when they come out, it's up to them to get over,
Speaker 7: you know, give them, give them some wins, do some stuff.
Speaker 7: But they're doing the types of stuff to focus on
Speaker 7: reducing a professional wrestling show instead of just putting on
Speaker 7: an indie show with matches that.
Speaker 1: Is on TV.
Speaker 7: And that's what a lot of TIN twenty four felt like.
Speaker 7: It was just I'm going to fantasy book some stuff.
Speaker 7: And I think a lot of that was Tony was distracted,
Speaker 7: you know, he had to deal with the media deal,
Speaker 7: and now that that's over. I don't think it's a
Speaker 7: coincidence some of this stuff seems a little tighter since
Speaker 7: that's all behind you.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing, Barry, I will say this, I
Speaker 1: have the top mod over at Great Dost, a wrestling subreddit. Now,
Speaker 1: the Great Dost Wrestling subreddit is a general pro wrestling subreddit. However,
Speaker 1: since there are more w WE fads, th AWTNA Do
Speaker 1: Japan and all the others put together, it's got a
Speaker 1: lot of predominantly WWE fans and specifically WWE bands. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of people on that subreddit that watch
Speaker 1: everything voraciously and that's great. But yesterday there was a
Speaker 1: post Maaid, a topic made that was simply stating what's
Speaker 1: going on with aw okay And it was meant to
Speaker 1: say the way it was worded didn't really be lie
Speaker 1: what the meaning of it was the person who posted
Speaker 1: want to know what's going on with AW, you know, like,
Speaker 1: how is it? How is it right? And you had
Speaker 1: people that obviously watched AW recently saying, oh, they're doing
Speaker 1: this and they're doing this, and they're doing this and
Speaker 1: they're doing this like you've been saying. But then you
Speaker 1: can tell that there's people that only watched AW maybe
Speaker 1: middle of last year, a couple of shows, and they're like,
Speaker 1: they just put out bagger matches for the sake. I
Speaker 1: have it banger matches and there's no story and stuff
Speaker 1: and there wasn't. They're right, I absolutely agree with them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love watching begger matches, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: see banger matches after banger Match, you know, every week,
Speaker 1: because there's only so many people you can put together
Speaker 1: to banger match. I want to see the story. I
Speaker 1: want to see it mean something. I want to see,
Speaker 1: you know, something to get me. Not only not only
Speaker 1: to get I want.
Speaker 7: To get marinate. They're getting stuff marinate. The shows are
Speaker 7: better paced now and they're not throwing eighty five matches
Speaker 7: on and they're letting it marinate. So like when Moments happened,
Speaker 7: you were allowed to appreciate that before something else is
Speaker 7: thrown right in your face, and that's something they really
Speaker 7: struggled with over the last eighteen months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can.
Speaker 7: We can. We have a chance to breathe when we're
Speaker 7: watching the show now, and it feels more fulfilling because
Speaker 7: at the end we're satisfied, We're able to digest what
Speaker 7: we just consumed. Is opposed to being overwhelmed again by
Speaker 7: the next high flying or hard hitting match. It allows
Speaker 7: to marinate. They're slowing it down a little bit and
Speaker 7: just the right amount, so it feels more satisfying when
Speaker 7: you're done watching it. I walk away from the show
Speaker 7: feeling satisfied as opposed to overwhelmed, which is what a
Speaker 7: lot of last year was.
Speaker 1: Right, Hey, did you have something to say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was looking into the shift in production. I'm
Speaker 2: getting a lot of reporting on people being frustrated over
Speaker 2: a lack of production meetings, but that does new news
Speaker 2: from the past couple of days. What I did want
Speaker 2: to note is that Tony Kahan did shift his production
Speaker 2: and some of his creative team when they started talking
Speaker 2: about the Max deal around last November, that they completely
Speaker 2: rel they kind of restructured the inner workings of their
Speaker 2: production when they launched Max and they're continuing to invest
Speaker 2: and improve on that. They bought some new production trucks,
Speaker 2: twenty five new camera and camera people. Some of the
Speaker 2: stuff I'm digging in. It's not giving a lot of details,
Speaker 2: but they have made some changes.
Speaker 7: So I like the TV production as far as like
Speaker 7: a producer for a TV show, not necessarily the AV production.
Speaker 7: So like who's who's the show runner? Like is the
Speaker 7: show runner? Is Tony? Like back as showrunner? Or like
Speaker 7: who's on that creative committee that's actually producing the segments
Speaker 7: and and working with the agents to pace everything out organized?
Speaker 7: Like is there new names for that or is it
Speaker 7: just that Tony is more involved?
Speaker 1: Again, very it's Tony.
Speaker 2: Since the Jag seasons has been over it, it's been Tony.
Speaker 7: So that's why it started around around the Hammerstein shows
Speaker 7: then yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well one of the things that I think the
Speaker 1: crowds the venues that the AW has been at have
Speaker 1: been smaller. The crowds have been more h condensed, and
Speaker 1: they are surrounding the ring instead of just being on
Speaker 1: one side of the ring.
Speaker 7: Now they're not terrified.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're right, I mean they're they're showing the entirely. Sure,
Speaker 1: they're smaller arenas, that's fine, but the sound fills, you
Speaker 1: know better. They still need to work on the sound
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, to give the crowd a
Speaker 1: little more because I was laughed. I was laughing. On
Speaker 1: Saturday night. I did not watch Collision live. I watched
Speaker 1: it after the Atlanta United and Montreal game because I'm
Speaker 1: a big MLS fan, specifically of Atlanta United. They Atlanta United,
Speaker 1: who had a home game and they were in front
Speaker 1: of sixty five thousand fans, and they must have the
Speaker 1: old aw production crew out there, because sixty five thousand
Speaker 1: fans and you could clearly see that that they were
Speaker 1: going nuts, and you would have sworn to with six
Speaker 1: fans in the in the audience. I mean, it makes
Speaker 1: a big difference as far as how much you enjoy
Speaker 1: a game or a wrestling show when you can hear
Speaker 1: the fans and almost as a TV watcher, interact with
Speaker 1: the fans because you're seeing their reactions and it's making
Speaker 1: you react. That's the other thing that they've done well
Speaker 1: is that the arenas are not dark anymore, so you
Speaker 1: can actually see the fans, not just the first three
Speaker 1: rows but everybody. Yeah, and it makes a difference.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, to.
Speaker 6: To put my thing into Yeah, Creative has been doing
Speaker 6: really well again, like it's it's focusing on ae W.
Speaker 6: Cannon with AW original content and it's amazing.
Speaker 9: And to add on.
Speaker 6: Quickly to that point of the audio. As a veteran
Speaker 6: of complaining about Aw's audio, I can say that they
Speaker 6: still got a little ways to go. I mean, they're
Speaker 6: getting better, but until they don't choke a Pittsburgh show
Speaker 6: a yeah, may But yeah, I think Creative has been
Speaker 6: popping off, although beside the audio, I think they have
Speaker 6: trouble developing their stars. But I believe that's the next topic.
Speaker 6: So anybody else had anything else to say?
Speaker 1: No, As a matter of fact, I think this is
Speaker 1: a good place to end the show. What do you
Speaker 1: think Shane?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, anyone got anything for pot pourri?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's talk about potpourri. Does anybody have just
Speaker 1: something off the wall that they want to talk about? Oh?
Speaker 6: Yes, I absolutely do. See the I complained the other
Speaker 6: day on the Reddit about the merch. I don't think
Speaker 6: they're doing that well with the merch designs, Like it's
Speaker 6: just black t shirts and then words and then I
Speaker 6: tried improving the ops T shirt, and then the aw
Speaker 6: fan Hubb universe universally said my shirt was worse than
Speaker 6: they were agreeing that aw you need to do something
Speaker 6: about the merge.
Speaker 1: Are you are so you're definitely down with the opps? Then? Right? Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: he didn't get the joke, Chase, he didn't get it
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 9: You know, me tell me the joke after.
Speaker 2: I wanted to make I wanted to bring up the
Speaker 2: Ryan MTh lawsuit even though I was you know, it
Speaker 2: was made pretty clear that I should, that I should,
Speaker 2: But I'm doing it anyways because I was one of
Speaker 2: those CM punk tinfoil hat wearing guys way back when. No, really,
Speaker 2: all I'm gonna say is, it's gonna be really funny
Speaker 2: to see all of them have to be in the
Speaker 2: same courtroom together, with Punk and Tony Kahan having to
Speaker 2: be on the same side.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna get to that point, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get that far. The funniest. The funniest
Speaker 1: part was the lawsuit itself, because it looked like a
Speaker 1: middle schooler wrote it for his like bit term exam
Speaker 1: paper in English class. It was so amateurish. You don't
Speaker 1: have to be a lawyer to realize that that was
Speaker 1: just preposterously bad. That was just me.
Speaker 3: That's kind of a lot of how their like lawyers
Speaker 3: is worded too, like it's I don't know anytime I've
Speaker 3: read like actual from a thing, it's either like way
Speaker 3: too complicated or it's like very like.
Speaker 9: You said, kind of almost childish.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 3: That's It's why they teach you that structure in school
Speaker 3: for writing, because that's the structure that's expected of you.
Speaker 1: I was waiting for somewhere in that document for it
Speaker 1: to say and and Nema said that CM Punk was
Speaker 1: a poopyhead because that was the kind of stuff that
Speaker 1: was in there. I mean, it was this is so childish.
Speaker 1: I mean, who wrote that? A lawyer could not have
Speaker 1: written that. I'm sorry, that was like a screenwriter wrote
Speaker 1: that hit.
Speaker 9: Now, you probably won't find a lawyer that will handle it.
Speaker 2: I mean, who's going after Punk?
Speaker 1: The dudes?
Speaker 9: Worth?
Speaker 2: The dudes now making three million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Just for being on.
Speaker 2: Retainer with WWE, not counting everything else he's doing for them.
Speaker 1: Well, my pot poiri is uh it's got to do
Speaker 1: with uh pyro believe it or not. Have you noticed
Speaker 1: that there's been a little bit more Pyro in AW,
Speaker 1: not much, but a little bit more. And my estimation,
Speaker 1: we've seen Pyro for Kenny Omega, which surprised the hell
Speaker 1: out of them even since so in the ring. Who
Speaker 1: else have we seen Pyro for recently? And like the
Speaker 1: last week or two, I know that the Hounds of
Speaker 1: Hell have had Pyro, Julie Heart coming out by yourself
Speaker 1: as Pyro, and I made a comment on the internet
Speaker 1: on on aw Fanto, I'm saying that, well, it's kind
Speaker 1: of obvious now. Kenny Omegan got Pyro, you know, as
Speaker 1: a solo wrestler. Juliet Hart got Piro as a solo wrestler.
Speaker 1: AW just told you those your next two champions. I
Speaker 1: don't know which belt they're gonna get, but they're definitely
Speaker 1: gonna belt because they're not gonna get Pyro to just anybody.
Speaker 1: They're gonna give it to the champions.
Speaker 6: Two things about the Pyro that would make me even
Speaker 6: more happy. One is if the ups got Pyro that
Speaker 6: I'd be even more down with them than I am
Speaker 6: right now. And secondly, just like for any wrestler or
Speaker 6: like multiple wrestlers. I don't care give them more pyro
Speaker 6: than he gave Adam Copeland in his WrestleMania and like, like,
Speaker 6: imagine the most pyro filled Andrew Mania entrants ever, and
Speaker 6: then multiply that by ten and then I will be happy.
Speaker 1: Well that's my that's the point that I wanted to
Speaker 1: make I brought I'm glad you brought it up. If
Speaker 1: there's one wrestler that should just get pyro, it's Adam Copeland.
Speaker 1: I mean that's part of his thing. I mean, the
Speaker 1: whole his entrance is part of it is doing that
Speaker 1: whatever he does, the bouncing up and down to his
Speaker 1: pyro going off. The last time he came out, he
Speaker 1: kind of looked over his shoulder to be like, am
Speaker 1: I getting piro? You know what it did? And so
Speaker 1: he took off. Did you anybody notice that he kind
Speaker 1: of did. He paused and looked over his shoulder to
Speaker 1: see me at Pyro and he was like nope, and
Speaker 1: he and he went on his way to the ring.
Speaker 1: So I just thought it was interesting. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean they kind of blow up the arena for
Speaker 1: Adam Copeland because that's I mean, he is the one
Speaker 1: wrestler that needs it. I mean, that's his thing, it's his,
Speaker 1: it's his trademark.
Speaker 7: I think they need to the like the M eighty
Speaker 7: boom when Adam Cole does his some boom thing on
Speaker 7: his entrance. You don't even need Pyro for him. Just
Speaker 7: just pop on those big old booms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, maybe a sound of you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it. I'm not gonna say it.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make fun of I love Eddie Kingston.
Speaker 1: I Am not gonna say anything against.
Speaker 2: Love I love.
Speaker 1: I'll say it. They just they just they just need
Speaker 1: they just need to make a sound of, you know,
Speaker 1: a fart sound when Nadie Kingston comes out to the ring,
Speaker 1: you know what the but they've.
Speaker 9: Already got the farts for Don Kallas family.
Speaker 6: When you do have Adam uh Cole coming out with
Speaker 6: pyro boom, you could say he's lighting the fuse the boom.
Speaker 1: Well, does anybody else have anyries? Anybody? Nope, speak now
Speaker 1: or forever hold your pieces.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be quiet because I'm not fully sure
Speaker 3: what that is.
Speaker 1: Still Prie is basically you can say anything about anything
Speaker 1: in a w or wrestling as a whole.
Speaker 3: You know, just a short topic, all right, got you? Yeah,
Speaker 3: No briefcase should be the new belt.
Speaker 1: Just strap straps on either side of the handle and
Speaker 1: strap it to your waist.
Speaker 3: Just open it up to reveal that the straps have
Speaker 3: been connected on the inside the whole time. And it's
Speaker 3: like just the open briefcase across the midsection.
Speaker 1: Right right, aw and sharpie on the front of it.
Speaker 9: There you go and perfect.
Speaker 7: Hey Kelson, I got one well for it. So I
Speaker 7: think I mentioned a couple of times. I'm a big
Speaker 7: fan of the kings Row era of al Japan, and
Speaker 7: thanks to the return of Samoa Joe, I've been inspired
Speaker 7: to look at some of his back catalog and came
Speaker 7: across his match with the Al Japan legend Kenta Goobashi.
Speaker 7: So if anybody out there enjoys hard hitting, stiff matches
Speaker 7: with two hosses like the original meat match, go online.
Speaker 7: It's a ring honor match between Kent Takobashi and Samo
Speaker 7: Joe from I want to say it's like two thousand
Speaker 7: and two, two thousand and three. I think it was
Speaker 7: right at the end of his pro wrestling Noah career.
Speaker 7: It's about twenty twenty five minutes long and it is
Speaker 7: an absolute banger, and so I've seen it a couple
Speaker 7: of times, but I went back and watched it again
Speaker 7: and just want to encourage anybody who is curious about
Speaker 7: that era for wrestling and Joe and his youthful prime
Speaker 7: before TNA run and Kobashi at the end of his
Speaker 7: his run as a big name internationally. It's worth checking out.
Speaker 1: Sounds interesting. I may actually have to check that out. Please,
Speaker 1: if you have the link to the video, post it
Speaker 1: on discord for it, I will do that. I'll put
Speaker 1: it in the chat. Oh and then anybody and that's listening,
Speaker 1: you can. We share a lot of interesting stuff on
Speaker 1: our discord. Some of it's not wrestling related. It's just
Speaker 1: buddy stuff to we find here and there. But we
Speaker 1: talk about AWWWETNA, Joshi, lucha, everything, so and it's pretty active.
Speaker 1: And if you're worried about trolls and tribalism, am I lying? Guys?
Speaker 1: There's none of that on this discord. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. I mean I haven't had to
Speaker 1: remove a post on that discord other than every once
Speaker 1: in a while you'll get a spammer coming in and
Speaker 1: trying to sell their only fans. But even that's not
Speaker 1: very often.
Speaker 7: Really, it's your only fans, Kelson. I'm really getting sick
Speaker 7: of you posting.
Speaker 6: I mean, we can only yeah, hey, Kelson without getting murded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is Griff Garrison? Ahoy y? Jungle Boy? Don't
Speaker 1: even started is jungle Man? So that's that's what do
Speaker 1: you think, Jane. That's the end of the show.
Speaker 2: We call it the end of the show today. We
Speaker 2: had we had a good one today, guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a pretty pretty good discussion and we
Speaker 1: didn't express hate toward each other. That was something else.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. The reason I say.
Speaker 7: Linked to them. Joe Kenthakobashi matches in the Classic Wrestling channel.
Speaker 7: If you are on the discord and want to check
Speaker 7: it out, it's thirty two minutes, although I think the
Speaker 7: match itself is only about twenty five.
Speaker 1: There you go, so you will be checking that out myself.
Speaker 1: We will be back tomorrow night for All Lee Talk
Speaker 1: right after Dynamite, So join us here on our Discord
Speaker 1: channel in the Ignition and all the Talk stage channel.
Speaker 1: We do enjoy having people in the audience while we're talking,
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Speaker 1: We are just awvans talking about AW Everybody's welcome. So
Speaker 1: for the aw fan podcast team, this is Kelson and.
Speaker 2: This is Shane.
Speaker 1: Good night, everybody, ye did me