WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.080 Come. This is Doctor John de Martini. This is one 2 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:04.799 of the most amazing and inspiring shows that you can 3 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:06.559 listen into. If you want to be on the edge 4 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:08.359 of your seats, if you want to open up your heart, 5 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:10.400 if you want to expand your mind, and you want 6 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:13.400 to meet incredible people, stay tuned because you're just about 7 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.399 to experience transformative radio show that will change your life. 8 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:18.559 And you're listening to The Doctor Pat Show is coming 9 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:19.160 up right next. 10 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:24.359 Welcome to the Doctor Pat Show Talk Radio to thrive 11 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:28.640 by powerful, inspiring and coming to you live, bringing you 12 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:32.840 stories of people like you and me busting through and 13 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:37.679 living life full out. Get ready to dare to wonder 14 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:41.039 what your life would be like if you knew you 15 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:42.039 could not fail. 16 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:50.240 I want to welcome you to this. We are like 17 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:52.600 on a roll, so every once in a while we 18 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:54.560 take down a path where there I'll go down a 19 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:56.960 pathway and that I'll meet somebody that has to be 20 00:00:57.640 --> 00:00:59.679 believe it or not, I would not have guessed this. 21 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.359 Tristan Stiwiki. We're starting to chit chat and we discovered 22 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.120 we're kind of in the same lane about things that 23 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:12.599 we have at least one foot one toe in esoteric consciousness, 24 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:15.319 what we do intuition, and then we got this other 25 00:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.920 foot in pop culture, and so Tristan was talking about 26 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:24.519 how our pop culture there are people in that arena 27 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:29.239 right that are doing great things. They stand for something, 28 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:33.680 they're authentic. Today's show is literally the first of several 29 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:36.920 we're going to be doing together. It's called Beyond the Spotlight, 30 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:41.120 Defining Legacy and pop Culture. Today, we're going to feature 31 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:45.040 several women. We're going to be talking about Scarlett Johansson 32 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:48.319 or Scarlett Johansen, however you say it. We're going to 33 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:52.159 be talking about Mindy Colleen. We're going to be talking 34 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:54.480 about Mindy. We're going to be talking about Natalie Portman. 35 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:57.079 We're gonna be talking about Viola Davis, and if we 36 00:01:57.120 --> 00:01:59.439 have time, we're going to talk Kerrie Washington in there. 37 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.159 And so we hope to share with you one why 38 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:07.640 we decided to do this, why we decided to look 39 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:12.000 at legacy building, why these four people. Now, I must say, 40 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.360 and justin you'll agree with me. Narrowing it down to 41 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.280 four people that was really challenging for me. What was 42 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:19.039 that like for you? 43 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:24.759 Impossible truly, because there's so many incredible women doing that 44 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:27.680 are exceptional role models. And then when I dug into 45 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.199 their history and the things I'd forgotten they've done in 46 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.759 their career, it was just like it was. It was 47 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:35.240 such a gift these last two weeks to look at. 48 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.719 This, and in future shows we do on this, we're 49 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:41.680 going to continue this. We're going to be featuring women 50 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:46.080 from different generations, right for example, you know, one of 51 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:49.599 the things we'll be talking about are the foundation creators. 52 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:54.120 Who are these people? The Jane Fondas, the Shirley mcclans, 53 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:56.120 the Alfred Wooders who I got to do a music 54 00:02:56.199 --> 00:02:59.120 video with. Who are these people and what did they 55 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:02.520 do to what they achieved. We're also going to be 56 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:06.360 looking at the younger generation of people, you know, Zendeia, 57 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:10.360 others like that, who have carved out a place in time. 58 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:14.280 You know, I think Rachel Levin Woods for me. I 59 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.199 know she's not doing very much now, but her role 60 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:20.080 in Westworld was pivotal for me, and I was so 61 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.599 disappointed when that stopped. And then we're going to be 62 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.719 going to I think they called what the heck do 63 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.280 we call them gen z Ers or the g I 64 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:30.919 don't know, like the fifty ish. We're going to be 65 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.919 looking at those people. You know, what is the history 66 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:38.439 of the magnificent beauty that's called Chortleast, then how about 67 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:41.159 the people in that generation which we don't talk about. 68 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:45.039 How about those women that have created productions, have their 69 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.199 own production company. You sit there and you think you 70 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.159 got a woman that played in a show called Legally Blonde, 71 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.360 and you think, well, what she doing? Well, we'll tell 72 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:56.000 you what she's doing. So we plan to take this 73 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:58.439 out and once we're done with this series, if I 74 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:02.280 can convince Tristan and we may take a look at 75 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:05.400 women in sports, we may take a look at women 76 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:08.520 in leadership and other places. We may take a look 77 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:12.960 at why did HP really fire Carly Fiorino. But today 78 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.000 let's start with this our first out of the gay 79 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:21.120 Tristan is is someone that caught my attention and I 80 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:24.879 can't really tell you why. I mean, I think there 81 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.439 are many many things that I saw, There are many 82 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:30.199 many things that kind of pulled me in if we 83 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.639 could say that, and it's Scarlett Johansson. I'm want to 84 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:37.800 start out with her because what got my attention about her? 85 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:42.839 Besides like the movie Lucy, which got mixed reviews, But 86 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.279 then again, they're doing a second Lucy too. I guess 87 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:50.319 it was what she stood for. But here we are. 88 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:56.319 For decades, Hollywood metrics measured a star's legacy. They did 89 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:58.360 it by the height of the box office and the 90 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.040 box office returns. Now it's not just box office, it's 91 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:04.000 box office and streaming sales, put it all together, whatever 92 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.720 you want to call it. But it's digital as well. 93 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:13.639 But Scarlett redefined the calculation. How did she do it? 94 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.639 Some say she weaponized her commercial power to drag the 95 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:23.879 largest media conglomerate into a legal reckoning. Oh yeah, oh yeah. 96 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:26.600 And she didn't just do it alone. There were others 97 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:28.800 and a stone followed suit. But I want to talk 98 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:33.199 about Missiohansson for a minute. She did what generations of 99 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:38.000 actors before her couldn't. They just couldn't. She forced the 100 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.519 system to pay its workers fairly in the digital age, 101 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.360 that's just a small thing. And then she also no 102 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:48.319 longer became a movie store. She became an architect of 103 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:52.160 the modern modern entertainment industry. And let's get into it. 104 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:59.639 Look this powerhouse actress, producer, fierce advocate. She changed the landscape. 105 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:05.680 She took on Hollywood's labor standards with Disney over contractual 106 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:11.480 breach and actively led jumped out of their major industrywide 107 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.000 resistant campaigns to protect She did two major things. Well, 108 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.480 let's talk about Disney trusting if we could, because I 109 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.800 know you are aware of this. But when I saw 110 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:25.399 the headlines on it, I said, okay, what was that about? 111 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:30.759 It was historic and also my area of work that 112 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:34.519 I researched her psychological contracts, and she's a perfect example 113 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:39.160 of saying no, we had an agreement. So this lawsuit 114 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.759 got the attention of seeing Scarlett Johanson more than just 115 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:47.199 an actor for a moment there, and it was a 116 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:51.240 breach of contract. She challenged the dual streaming theatrical release, 117 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:58.399 that model that undercut back end box office compensation by 118 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:03.759 forcing a massless era settlement. She went there, she didn't compromise, 119 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:08.079 and she didn't negotiate down. And so what happened with 120 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:13.399 that is at the painter they made an arrangement with her, 121 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:18.519 And the small details of it are simple. I agree 122 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:21.800 with you that we're going to take your movie, we're 123 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:23.839 going to put it out there, and we're going to 124 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:26.160 let it ride out there before we pull it out 125 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.680 and put it on streaming. But then I don't do that. 126 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:33.800 I pull it out and I put it on streaming 127 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:40.279 and guess what, You've lost fifty million dollars. Now, how 128 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:43.800 many actors would have drawn a line in the sand. 129 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:46.839 But what do you make of that, Tristan, What do 130 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.680 you make of just that one action? Before we talk 131 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:50.720 a little bit more. 132 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:52.839 Yeah, I think there's so much in that. I think 133 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:55.600 we've heard so much and have seen how women have 134 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.759 been treated by Hollywood, and so especially for a woman 135 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:03.319 that has helped build this monolith of the Marvel universe, 136 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.000 you know, that has been kind of since the beginning, 137 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.160 helping kind of create this this juggernaut. Then to go, no, 138 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:12.800 I know my worth and my value and to stand 139 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.560 with that is challenging on a human level, right to 140 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:19.600 really sit in that. There's also discourse right about worth 141 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:23.040 about you know, and especially when it comes to paying women, 142 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.519 about oh don't you have enough women that are actresses, 143 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:27.959 Like I remember when Julia Roberts was paid twenty million 144 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:32.159 dollars for Aaron Brockovich, Right, huge discourse about that, and 145 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.679 it's like sitting with the truth of that is a 146 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.720 lot of money. The actors and celebrities make quite a 147 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.559 lot of money. As do athletes, and she knows her worth, 148 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:44.200 she knows what she brings to the table, and she 149 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:47.440 knows that the law was behind her ultimately, and so 150 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.240 it would have been such a disservice to herself based 151 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:55.480 on her actions to go, no, I'm you know, I'm 152 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:57.799 not going to take action. I'm just gonna also for 153 00:08:57.879 --> 00:08:59.919 the safety of my career. You know, my family would 154 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:04.120 ever to just accept a situation that was unacceptable And 155 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:06.879 how many women have made that choice, which is so 156 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:08.480 hard in that moment. 157 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.120 Yeah, and you know, she's true to form. So we're 158 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:14.080 talking about the people that stand up, but we're talking 159 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.679 about legacies. So the other thing she did, which is 160 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:21.039 true to form, it sticks to the whole idea, is 161 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:24.519 that there is a thing. You know, there's a scraping, 162 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:29.879 a scrapping, scraping of copyright architect or artist content. And 163 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.960 it's a thing, it really is. It's and that's why 164 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:36.120 today the images you see in the show are not 165 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.399 of the artists, because I would be violating that. The 166 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.120 images that we are showing in this show. I have 167 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:46.000 paid for the images. They're provided to us through a 168 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.759 subscription I have. They are license free. So every clip 169 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.679 we show in this show is in that vein. None 170 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.919 of these clips are of these actors. And so she 171 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:00.639 came out and saying stealing is an innovation. She created 172 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.960 a movement. It was a co ed, aggressive coalition of 173 00:10:04.159 --> 00:10:08.320 I think around eight hundred other entertainers demanding that tech 174 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:13.799 giant stop violating copyright artistic content and how are they 175 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:18.600 doing it? You know, she looked at this with no, 176 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:21.200 it's not okay for you to take that clip of 177 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.480 me and then throw it through an AI machine and 178 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:29.200 call that new new imagery. So she's true to form. 179 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:32.200 The last thing I will say about her and then 180 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:35.320 we'll move on, is she has been a major advocate 181 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:38.759 for gender bias. She speaks prominently at events about this. 182 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:41.679 You know, she is in the Women's March to demand 183 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:47.159 federal protections for autonomy. But these are the things that 184 00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:51.679 you don't talk about when you see her. You do 185 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.960 see it in her production company, you know, you do 186 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:59.279 see it in eco consciousness for example, vegan skincare and 187 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:02.080 things like that, But mostly we see her on the 188 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:10.039 big screen. Most of us. We were shocked spoiler alert. 189 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:15.840 I was shocked when Black Widow didn't make it, But 190 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.320 then I was happy that they went back in time 191 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.519 for that. So this is just one example, and there 192 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:25.639 were career defining roles for her. I mean, we think 193 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:29.200 about her as a couple of different things, but I 194 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.879 think the one of her original movies, so what was 195 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.080 that called Girl with the Pearly Earring or something like that. 196 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:37.720 You know, we know her for Black Widow, we know 197 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:42.080 her for Jojo Rabbit, Lost in Transition, something else. But 198 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:44.799 when you take a look at the depth of her 199 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:49.960 and what she can do, her David Versus Goliath moment 200 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:55.879 transcends all of it. So who's on your list? Very much? 201 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.480 So, No, She's such a great kind of jumping off point. 202 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.879 So mine is Natalie Portman. And I value humor, and 203 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:06.480 Scarlet's also hilarious, like her ability to do accents and 204 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:10.080 her ability to show up and write and make fun 205 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:13.559 of herself is gorgeous. And Natalie also embodies that trade, 206 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.519 which I really admire. And so I'll never forget where 207 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.919 I was seeing Natalie on Saturday Night Live right doing 208 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.639 a rap about going to Harvard right, and just it 209 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.759 was so fun. It was just everything you'd want someone 210 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.279 to be. And what I really admire about her is 211 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.320 her ability to take a career as a child actress 212 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.960 in Star Wars and that be just a small footnote 213 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:38.600 in her legacy. And that's absolutely wild because I don't 214 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.879 know that that same transformation has happened for someone like 215 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:43.960 Hayden Christensen, who's incredible, But I feel like Star Wars 216 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:47.039 is always kind of the second or third bullet. And 217 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:51.919 for Natalie, she's really taken her time in the spotlight 218 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.360 to be an advocate. You know, we both love sports, 219 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:57.600 and I loved watching the co founding of Angel City, 220 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:01.480 right how important you know, really investing in women and 221 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:04.799 women's sports. She's also a human and animal rights activist, 222 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:11.960 and she's really picked roles that have been both internal, 223 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:16.639 little cerebral, and also fun to explore I think for her, 224 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:21.039 which is really really lovely. Now, what's interesting about her 225 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:22.960 leg Oh, did you have any highlights that you wanted 226 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:23.320 to share that? 227 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:23.639 Well? 228 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:25.679 I want to just I want to just say to 229 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:28.000 you that you know what I didn't know about her 230 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.200 until I did this, was she and I have something 231 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.159 in common. We both supported PETA. I mean, she's a 232 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:36.879 major animal activist and you know you could read up 233 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:40.240 on that, you could see it. But she's gone through 234 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:44.080 documentary on SI. There's's so many different things that you 235 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:46.720 can find. But when you partner with Peta you know 236 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.960 PTA folks Peter dot org, you can find out a 237 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.639 lot of things from there. You know what you do now, 238 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:56.320 which you raise the bar on expose as from a 239 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:59.039 number of different places. But the other thing too that 240 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:02.039 we don't know about her is part of her feminism 241 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:04.759 and her social justice. What did you find out about that? 242 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:10.519 Yeah, I mean she's really there was literally because I 243 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:13.039 use Wikipedia as a source again to try to be 244 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:16.759 as right as like ethical as possible about this is 245 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.519 her ongoing investment starting in like two thousand and six, 246 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:22.679 two thousand and five, and perhaps her even earlier accounts 247 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.240 that maybe weren't documented. But what I loved it is 248 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:28.360 it's literally been like twenty five plus years of showing 249 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:32.080 up consistently in a way that is so beautiful, where 250 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:33.840 she was just like, no, this is important to me, 251 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.159 and I'm not only going to put my time, my energy, 252 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.200 and my money to this, but I'm going to stand 253 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:40.399 up as the face of it wherein it matters as 254 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:44.720 such as a co founder for angel City. And that's legacy, right. 255 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:48.440 It's a big word like it feels really loaded, but 256 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:50.519 that's all it is is where you spend your time, 257 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:55.039 your energy, and your money consistently every single day. And 258 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:57.440 I think that's why it's so interesting. Unless you had 259 00:14:57.440 --> 00:14:59.000 more to talk about before I go into a little 260 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:03.120 bit of a misst Oh Go go is around Black 261 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.919 Swan and when so, I have taken dance classes. I've 262 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.200 had the honor and the privilege of taking dance classes 263 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.679 with some of the greatest ballerinas to ever exist, Megan 264 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.960 Fairchild and Catherine Morgan, and I've had time to learn 265 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.159 from them and to see them on stage, and it's 266 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:23.360 been incredible. And you know, there were some conversations during 267 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:27.039 the Oscar speech and just in the zeitgeist during this 268 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:29.840 time about how much Natalie danced on screen versus her 269 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:35.440 body double, and I feel like there was an opportunity 270 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:39.279 to perhaps give more credit to her body double, perhaps 271 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:45.159 give more credit to vallerinas, and the idea that both 272 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.039 Natalie's training in this time, you know, for many months, 273 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.840 five to seven hours a day, honoring that journey, which 274 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.000 is heart right, that's a commitment, and also honoring that 275 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:57.200 you can't learn something at that level in just a 276 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:00.440 few months. To a few years. It's decades, right, decades 277 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.480 of bleeding like through toe shoes. It's you know, constant. 278 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:08.639 Especially in the early two thousands, the dance world was 279 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:12.000 incredibly challenging in terms of how they treated dancers, and 280 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.240 that's still at a place that needs to get better. 281 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:17.279 And so when I think about how, like Matt Damon's 282 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:21.039 been talking about his female body double for The Odyssey, 283 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.679 I'm just so impressed and how he talked about it, 284 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.120 And I really wish there was an opportunity that Natalie 285 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:29.879 had taken to kind of credit those because it's a 286 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:32.440 group project. Ultimately making a film as a group project 287 00:16:32.519 --> 00:16:37.559 and honoring everyone's commitment and collaboration is just a beautiful 288 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.000 kind of way to support that that feeling. 289 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:44.360 Yeah, And you know, when you think about these folks, right, 290 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:47.480 you think about, you know, some of the things they said. 291 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:51.039 I know one thing about Natalie, and I'll go back 292 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:54.360 to Scarland in a minute, is her quote about when 293 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:56.960 you get older, you realize it's a lot less about 294 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:58.759 your place in the world, but your place in you. 295 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:04.920 What I mean, I have to think about that one. Tristan, 296 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:12.079 how about you? Yeah, But you know, it's kind of 297 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:17.039 like we're talking about people that somehow have influenced you 298 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:20.440 and influenced me. I'm I'm a big fan of the 299 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.880 big screen. I've been going to movies since as young 300 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:27.079 as I can remember in awe at the original Godzilla films, 301 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:31.640 if you will, and so have you. But these folks 302 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:35.200 have now become to me more than that. And you know, 303 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:37.480 we do have social media to thank for that, don't 304 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:39.240 we absolutely? 305 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:41.359 And we also have the documentaries. I feel like we've 306 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.200 gotten more behind the scenes into projects they care about 307 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:47.119 because they're able to fund that or really showcase it. 308 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:50.440 Because honestly, whenever I see something like that, either through 309 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:53.000 social media or a documentary, I go, oh, can I 310 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:54.640 do more? Where can I do more? Where am I 311 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:57.119 falling short or not showing up for what I believe in? 312 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:01.680 And that's beautiful introspection everyone should have frequently, you know, 313 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:03.920 every couple of months in a minimum. 314 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.000 So you know, when you think about this for yourself 315 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.680 and you think about you think about the many, many 316 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:12.920 ways your heart has been touched. Let me ask you 317 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.319 this question. When you take a look at this and 318 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.480 you look at Natalie Porter and I can hear you 319 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:21.200 know when you speak the words you're speaking, you know, 320 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.400 you're talking about somebody that you related with. You know, 321 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:28.079 what was it that really got to you about her? 322 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.640 And by the way, I do believe she served in 323 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:34.640 the military. There's other things about her, right, but she's 324 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:38.240 also a human right human's rights activist, right absolutely. 325 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:42.079 What I think initially, what like I felt such a 326 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:44.480 connection to is her love of learning and that she 327 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:49.200 knew that being an actor was part of her life 328 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:51.359 and not something she was going to fully invest in. 329 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:54.640 Because I remember seeing photos of her on set reading 330 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:57.480 books and still studying and still going to Harvard and 331 00:18:57.519 --> 00:18:59.480 doing all these things. And I just had such admiration 332 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.480 for someone like, No, I am multifaceted, and it doesn't 333 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:04.519 matter if I'm in the largest franchise and the biggest 334 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:07.000 movie ever made, Like I'm going to be who I am, 335 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.119 And I just go, dang, if she can do that, Like, 336 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.119 what's my excuse? You know what I mean? Like, I 337 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:13.880 have a lot less barriers than. 338 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:19.039 She does that. Yeah, I mean, you know, we've selected 339 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:21.359 these people and then we did our research on them, 340 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.119 and now here we are. And what I find about 341 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:29.160 the process is the more I dug, the more I 342 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.440 looked at I had a question that I don't know 343 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.000 that I can answer today, and I'm not sure you 344 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:38.599 can either, But how was it they got involved in this? 345 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:40.839 And then when we take a look back at their 346 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:46.000 upbringing a bit right, and you see some glimpses, and 347 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:48.440 of course we have to be very mindful of the 348 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:53.559 sources we have used, right, and they have been validated. 349 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:56.680 But when we look at this, we see how they're upbringing, 350 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:01.359 how their childhood may have influenced that. You know, what 351 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:06.720 was it about? You know, miss Portman's upbringing? What did 352 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:09.160 she grow up with? It's the same thing when I 353 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:13.920 look back and Scarlett Trehansson's upbringing and what did she 354 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:17.240 where did she come? Where'd you come from? Like you 355 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:21.400 start to look at that and you find out worn 356 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:25.160 in Manhattan, So okay, what does that mean to anybody? 357 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:29.480 But she also grew up in a politically conscious working 358 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:32.680 class household. And you know, when you look at Natalie Portman, 359 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:37.319 you could see the impact of what shaped her. Right, 360 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:38.359 would you say that's true? 361 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:42.039 Yeah, especially education being such a theme that she carries 362 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.440 like kind of throughout her legacy. You can really see 363 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.000 the impact of that importance. And then when we're ready 364 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.200 to talk about Mindy. I think that's a beautiful segue 365 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:51.920 because that's really the station of her life's work. 366 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:56.319 And didn't Natalie go to Harvard. I don't know if 367 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:01.119 that's true. That's true, yeah, but it is a seguay 368 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:03.200 to talk about Mindy. Let's talk about Mindy for a 369 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.240 little bit because unlike I think personally, unlike the rest 370 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:10.440 of them, she has kept a lower profile, and we're 371 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:13.400 going to discuss why that, why she's doing that. So 372 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.640 what was it about Mindy that, like you said, I 373 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:16.680 got to talk about her. 374 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:21.640 I've always admired Mindy through my connection through the office. 375 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:24.079 So when the Office was at its height, you know, 376 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:28.200 I was in high school and I absolutely became obsessed 377 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:31.680 with it and I loved seeing her being a writer. 378 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:33.799 I was actually in my time where I wanted to 379 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.119 be a writer for SNL and so I've studying all 380 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:39.559 comedy writers and like she I just admired so much. 381 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.319 And then I've really loved is like she is true 382 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:44.160 to who she is. She's like I love pop culture. 383 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:45.680 I'm going to talk about it, you know what I mean? 384 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.680 There are things that like she hasn't changed as core 385 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.759 elements of her which I embodied to make sure that 386 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:55.759 I'm not either. And so when I think about kind 387 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:59.960 of the impact that she's had, it has been lower profile, 388 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.720 but no less profound, exactly. Yeah, it was so important 389 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:06.240 for me to talk about her because, like she was 390 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.880 just on with Amy Poehler, and Amy made sure to 391 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:11.720 call out one of my first points, which I did know, 392 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:13.599 but it's great to hear, is that she wrote more 393 00:22:13.640 --> 00:22:15.839 episodes of the Office than anyone else. You know, she 394 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:19.200 wrote Dwali, the Dundees, The Injury, She was the only 395 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:22.319 woman on the staff of eight, you know. And then 396 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.000 at really the height of it being challenging to have 397 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.119 a network show, and then kind of I would say, 398 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.000 the last heyday of network TV, even she got her 399 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:35.400 own show, the Mini Project, you know, and it lasted 400 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:40.720 for six seasons. It's incredible, Like truly, and you know. 401 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:43.559