WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.960 What's up body, people, and welcome to Countdown to Classic, 2 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:25.239 where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey, everyone, 3 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:27.519 welcome to another Countdown to Classic. It's so lovely to 4 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:30.640 have you all here again, and we're here for our 5 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:34.439 I guess what is now monthly episode because we're running 6 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:39.079 out of news, but today we actually have news to discuss. 7 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:43.039 This Camelot business is huge. We spend the first hour 8 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:45.600 or so of the show going over it. It's really 9 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.840 really interesting, you know, self leak season very much so 10 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:54.039 might be upon us and time is running out until 11 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:57.719 please come twenty six. It really is right around the corner. 12 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.240 Touch on that towards the end of the podcast, like 13 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:04.040 we forget how freaking close we are to everything being 14 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:07.560 unveiled and the mystery being shown to us. But everyone, 15 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.280 please do enjoy this really fun chat with a bunch 16 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.480 of the guys and I will talk to you at 17 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:21.079 the end. Thanks. See up. All right, everyone, we are 18 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:23.840 back with another Countdown to Classic. It's been you know, 19 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.840 good month, five weeks between drinks since we had Ale 20 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.640 on the last show. So as for usual, guys, I'll 21 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:35.640 just reiterate like it's the combination of not a boat 22 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:39.079 load to talk about over the last month until stuff 23 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.480 started happening last week, which we will definitely be diving into. 24 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:47.959 But also, I mean, the guild is going so great 25 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.599 without me, will dive into that. I have just come 26 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:55.159 off of a one month stint that I had to 27 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:59.560 do as part of my teaching degree where I had 28 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:02.799 to like I did this back in September October. A 29 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:05.000 few listeners remember where I had to go into a 30 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:09.120 school for two weeks and get some observational experience. This 31 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:11.840 time around about you know, six seven, eight months later, 32 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.080 they go, Okay, now the next stage of your degree 33 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.159 is getting some actual work experience, Like you now have 34 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:21.599 to teach classes. So I just started at a local 35 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:23.719 school about ten minutes down the road from me a 36 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:25.840 month ago and I had to be there for four 37 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:29.039 weeks and teach a class for the first time in 38 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:32.319 my life. And I was shitting bricks sort of. No, 39 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:35.159 I wasn't that scared, but like, it's a bit intimidating 40 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:36.919 getting in front of a class for the first time, 41 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:40.400 and I loved it. It all went really really well. 42 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.159 I had a year twelve legal studies class. I had 43 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.639 a year nine humanities class, year nine business class and 44 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.919 everything went really, really well. So that's why I have 45 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:56.719 been an absolute ghost. I've been an apparition, a myth 46 00:02:56.919 --> 00:02:59.759 in the discord for the last month. I've been so 47 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:03.520 flat out with doing all the school stuff on top 48 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:05.759 of the refereeing on the weekends. Like I get I 49 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.240 said to you guys on the last episode, like it 50 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.319 is just amusing at this point how different my life 51 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:14.319 is over the last two months compared to what it 52 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.960 was before. So I'm still dealing with those changes. But 53 00:03:17.680 --> 00:03:20.719 mat no regrets about doing the school teaching thing, like 54 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:24.199 I absolutely loved it. If anything, the only fallout from 55 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:26.439 it is this is going to be a real struggle. 56 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:28.919 I think I have to try my best to clean 57 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.280 up the podcast a little bit. If I'm now going 58 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:35.080 to be teaching, maybe my swearing has to be dialed 59 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.759 down slightly. We shall see. I'm definitely gonna have to 60 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:41.800 refrain from the sea bombs, so Andy, you'll have to 61 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:45.879 police me on those ones, all right, because the bloody kids. 62 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:48.960 Here's what happened first freaking lesson. 63 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:50.439 You know. 64 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.439 Gooday, guys, him your teacher for the next month. My 65 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:57.080 name is mister Corbett. I shit, you not like Forty 66 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:58.919 five seconds later, one of the kids has got his 67 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.360 hands up because they've google me straight away and gone like, 68 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.319 so you don't happen to host wow, classic podcast? Do 69 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:05.039 you're not going on? 70 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:05.520 No? 71 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:10.360 Oh no, it begins. Luckily they saw like the nine 72 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:13.080 hour episode and they were like, there's no, there's no 73 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.599 way I'm listening to that. So they never actually sat 74 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.879 down and listened to the show. They just know that 75 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.199 I hosted the podcast, and I thought, look, just for 76 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:24.399 the sake of my future career, maybe I will clean 77 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:26.519 up my act a little bit. Do you think I 78 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:26.920 can do it? 79 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:32.319 Arcoss, Sorry, I didn't listen to another. 80 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:37.519 Perfect No, No, it's the best start, all right, Auntie? 81 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.560 What about you? Do you have faith in me? Auntie? 82 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:41.079 Can I clean? 83 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:43.519 What are you talking about? You're going to get passionate 84 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.040 about something and then you're going to be just dropping 85 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.959 the sea bombs all over the place. You know, I 86 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.600 suppose it says it's a terrible thing for our younger 87 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:53.879 generation not to have that attention. Stand to listen to 88 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:55.000 only a nine hour. 89 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.160 Oh, it's going to be awful anyway. I look forward 90 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:00.519 to the day I get fired because it's like you said, 91 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.759 the f word on a pod on a live stream. 92 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:07.480 We can't have that anyway. Wishall see, guys, we have 93 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:09.279 so much to talk about now that I've given you 94 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:12.759 the update on my life. We have so many lovely 95 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.680 familiar faces here in chat with us. Ready to either 96 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:17.399 go to raid in about an hour and a half 97 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.920 with the Guild or just sit around and shoot the 98 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:21.839 shit with us and talk about the news that's come 99 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:24.480 up this week that I alluded to. So we'll just 100 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:28.399 have some really quick hellos. Anti. Mate, You've changed from 101 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:30.879 Rogue to Mage, but you're still the same lovable guy. 102 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:33.360 How are you very well? 103 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:33.600 Mate? 104 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:34.439 How you doing yourself? 105 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:37.680 Very good? No regrets on the Mage change or some regrets. 106 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.040 I regret that I'm playing Arcane right now, but outside 107 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:43.279 of that, it's been a lot of fun. 108 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:46.800 Very good. We've got Arcos here just for about ten minutes. 109 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:49.240 Arcos is going to talk to us first off about 110 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:52.040 a little bit of Season of Discovery re rolling. Mate, 111 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:52.519 how are you? 112 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.879 Yeah, good man, just a bit tired, just. 113 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.519 A bit tired from the no sleep till Brooklyn with 114 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:02.279 the five hours to sixty and sod that we'll get 115 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:06.639 to to Blast. He's gonna be our expert our man 116 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.279 on the inside the the you know, mister Robot, when 117 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:13.240 it comes to explaining all of this Camelot stuff that's 118 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:17.000 getting unearthed, How are you Maze doing good? Are you 119 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:17.600 really good? 120 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:17.800 Mate? 121 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.680 I'm so glad you're here. You are the secret sauce 122 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:23.759 to this episode. We've also got dry l but he's 123 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.240 on mute. I'll just say gooday, And then we've got 124 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:30.600 the lifeblood of the guild. Someone asked me and I 125 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:32.720 was like, I don't actually know. They're like, is Green 126 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.360 the new GM And I was like, I think so Green, 127 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:40.759 can you confirm or deny? Yeah, I'm running the show. Well, yeah, 128 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.800 somebody had to keep the lights on. That's it. Somebody did. 129 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.920 Like we've made all the jokes that are not really jokes, 130 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:50.240 they're unfortunately true that Daddy went for cigarettes and never 131 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:52.839 came back. And you know, I've told I've explained to 132 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:55.000 you guys why not that that lets me off the hook. 133 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.680 But Green has just picked up the ball and ran 134 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:02.000 with it. And you know, him and the leadership Group 135 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:06.759 have just turned this guild into a fucking behemoth of 136 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:10.759 a guild, like a really strong motoring guild that is 137 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:13.040 getting stuff done, and we're going to get into that eventually, 138 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:15.519 So thank you so much for your blood, sweat and tears. Green. 139 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:18.439 We've also got Malachi's here. 140 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:22.319 How are you mate, Yeah, it's Gecko Mayhem, but yeah, 141 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:24.680 Malachi's my obviously my character. 142 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.319 Well you ever know, I was like trying to respect 143 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.360 the new change of names. So what do we go by? 144 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.879 Ah, you can call me. I'm used to the boys 145 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:36.759 call him a Malachai. But yeah, Green's doing such a 146 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:38.519 good job and the rest of the leadership team, the 147 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.360 Guild is really doing well. We've got to rate today 148 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.920 and yeah, these guys are just pulling things together. 149 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.079 So well, yeah, I'm not just blowing smoke up there. 150 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.800 Ares like to say they're doing well as an understatement. 151 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.720 We'll talk about the Guild and people listening at home 152 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.199 who aren't in the Guild will be like, holy shit, 153 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.639 like the Countdown crew actually got it shipped together. That's amazing. Anyway, 154 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.879 sci Fi as well, who I still? I listened back 155 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.120 to his last appearance on the podcast, and he provided 156 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.000 a lot of chuckles. We love him like a son. 157 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:08.519 How are you mate, I'm good, mate, I'm good. 158 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.399 I've also, just like yourself gone out for a pack 159 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:12.079 of smokes. 160 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:16.399 Yep, but have you disappeared since the last podcast recording? 161 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:19.120 No, I have to leave the guild. 162 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.000 That's right. No, I remember that. That was fine though 163 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:24.639 you needed to raid at proper times. 164 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:26.720 Yeah, I know. It's a bit sad though. 165 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:29.279 No, all good os so sci Fi sent out. Yeah, 166 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:32.559 he sent out the very tearful which we've we've had 167 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:34.840 a couple of not for a while, but he sent 168 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:37.120 out the tearful farewell, saying guys, look, I wish I 169 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.919 could make this work, but I am in Oceania and 170 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:41.759 I've got to get times that work for me at 171 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:46.000 Oceania nighttime. And all the guys just did you feel 172 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.639 the love? Mate? As everyone said, no, sweat mate, You're 173 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.080 welcome back here anytime. We fucking love you. Let's move 174 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:51.559 in together. 175 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.919 Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely love it. 176 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:01.039 I love it. And speaking of people who went for cigarettes, 177 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.159 so our last cab off the rank is DC Green. 178 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:03.960 How are you mates? 179 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:05.519 Hey? 180 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:10.200 What up? We're good? Are you a bit under the weather? No, 181 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:11.960 I'm good. You're good. 182 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:15.840 You're doing an episode on my favorite topic to you know, Nisse, 183 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:16.360 So I. 184 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:19.240 Thought, oh, there you go. You've either changed microphone or 185 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.159 you sound like the most hungover man alive. But that's okay. 186 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:25.200 Oh yeah, I have a different microphone now, so if 187 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:26.919 it sounds bad, let me know and I'll try and 188 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:27.360 fix it. 189 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.679 No, you're speaking with great clarity, but you're a little 190 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.200 bit softer. But that's okay. I've turned you up. You're 191 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:34.960 all good, All right, guys, Look, let's get into it. 192 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:36.720 Like I said, Arcos has to go first, then to 193 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:39.360 Blaster has to go. So all of you guys in 194 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:42.399 the crowd, you are more than invited to comment on 195 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.519 what these guys are about to say. In fact, I'll 196 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.039 need you to to spice up the conversation. But we'll 197 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.080 get through their topics first, so that Arcos can go 198 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:51.600 to bed and the Blaster can go to raid. Arcos, 199 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.759 your time is nigh, Arcos overnight. Look, there has been word, 200 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:59.799 guys of a little bit of a season of Discovery, 201 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:05.080 you know, reroll, a refresh whatever, kicking off on the 202 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:08.840 servers again. Some people are getting involved. I'm sure it's 203 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:13.320 gone rather you know well. Arcos posted his involvement and 204 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.000 sent the screenshot through to the countdown classic discord of 205 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:20.320 his epic journey from one to sixty in five hours, 206 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.279 and then he copped a lot of slings and arrows 207 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:26.519 from the old Countdown crew who were like, how dare you, 208 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:30.720 sir Arcos? What's happening over there in sod Land? 209 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:36.080 Yeah, it's kind of funny, right because most most of 210 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:38.559 the people that I was playing with and said, I've 211 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:41.519 not spoken to or played with for months, like only 212 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.080 a handful of I played within on the Chinese servers. 213 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:46.559 And then. 214 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:56.200 Someone someone posts a screenshot of the of the video 215 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.080 title from a streamer called Jokert on a video he 216 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:03.559 posted on YouTube where he something in the title was 217 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.360 like a sawt fake fresh and our killed name and 218 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:11.279 insult was fake fresh. So he made the joke that like, wait, 219 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:14.519 did you guys get back together without telling me? And 220 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.039 suddenly the discer just blew up, and you know, within 221 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:22.519 two days, the three of us who who were officers 222 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:28.000 in not killed. We had had the plan to do 223 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:32.240 something you know, silly or or a little bit deranged, 224 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:36.480 and now we are, you know, six days later and 225 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.240 two we've been playing for fifteen hours straight and everyone's 226 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:46.120 level sixty. Everyone is mostly previous geared, and we're intending 227 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:49.440 to finish the raids as as soon as possible. 228 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:51.360 So it started out as a bit of a joke 229 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:52.759 and it turned into an actual thing. 230 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:56.279 Yeah it will. 231 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:00.240 Yeah, one of the guys, my fellow officer, we play 232 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:04.159 together in China, he joked that we should attempt to 233 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:07.759 join one of the streamer guilt. This this this fake 234 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:15.440 fresh sort event this quote unquote hosted by Alan g D, Jogrity, 235 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.039 Sun Glitters, Gusu and. 236 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:21.440 Savags. 237 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:24.080 Those are the kind of streamers who are like bringing 238 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:27.120 their audience into a into a fake fresh like they 239 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:31.440 all have their own guilt with with a couple of 240 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.519 different rule sets, and this this weird idea was that 241 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.879 we would join one of their guilt and we would 242 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:43.879 we would create a mice very well well well efficient 243 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:47.080 rated team within it and then deny the streamers access 244 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:49.120 to it, right like we would have an interview with 245 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:50.879 them and tell them. 246 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:54.120 That see see if you would allow them to play 247 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.039 on see if you would allow them to play on 248 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:56.600 your server? 249 00:12:58.279 --> 00:12:59.799 Yeah right, but. 250 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:06.559 No, then just enough people from from in from our 251 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:10.159 like sold days where we're interested to do something and 252 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:16.279 LMGD had made it known that he wanted to to 253 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:19.080 go and clear the rates as fast as possible, so 254 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:22.120 we decided you know, we'll we'll take part in that 255 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.559 challenge and make sure that LMGD is in second place 256 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:28.279 for the fifth time in a row whenever he tries 257 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:33.480 to compete for something. And so far we are we've 258 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:34.480 been quite successful. 259 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:39.840 Oh, very good. So have you found that, like, you know, 260 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:42.279 I feel like people have tried to kick SOD off 261 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.000 again multiple times over the last twelve months, you know, 262 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.960 six months. Do you feel like this one is at 263 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:54.000 least garnering some form of solid interest? Yeah, for sure. 264 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:59.919 Like when I joined the event specific discord at the 265 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.879 streamers set up, there were about twelve or thirteen hundred 266 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:08.320 members and it has gained like, on average, like five 267 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:11.960 to six hundred new members every day since. So last 268 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.080 night before I went to bed, it was like seven 269 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:19.279 five hundred And that's in like less than a less 270 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:20.039 than a week. 271 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:22.639 Now, Sorry, you might have already said, was this happening 272 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:27.080 on NA or EU servers? This is only you EU? Okay, 273 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:27.639 there you go. 274 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:30.519 Yeah, but there was a screen. There's like a lot 275 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.080 of people from NA, Like every fifth message is how 276 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.200 do I play from NAH? The people are posting videos 277 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:39.720 of like how to create the EU accounts, et cetera. 278 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:44.159 So back to you. My favorite part is always you 279 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:48.320 getting shit. Is was the point to get to the 280 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:51.159 level sixty raid or was the point of the reroll 281 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:55.120 to like get through the level upright? So I couldn't tell. 282 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:03.840 That varies between streamer guilt, right, Gouzu's guilt is doing 283 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:08.720 I think six No, I think they're doing twelve day 284 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:11.480 level bands. So they go to level twenty five, they 285 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.480 speak to an NPC to drop their like xpea. 286 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:17.240 Game, and that's that's something that they open it up again. 287 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:20.399 Well pleased, hot fixed, So the other day didn't need 288 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:20.960 to allow this. 289 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:22.639 Yeah. 290 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:24.919 Yeah, there were some people who were tweeting attagrint or 291 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:27.919 something and they put this n PC in. It's just 292 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:30.840 the same one that we've had for like twinks and 293 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:36.759 stuff in the past, same functionality. So I think the 294 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:40.440 sun Glitter Killed is doing something similar or like killed 295 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:43.200 self found or like one of these rules sets from 296 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:50.120 from hardcore. You know, I have no idea what Savix 297 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.360 Guild is doing or or the others, most likely jogur 298 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:59.360 Tea and don't. They don't really have any rules. The 299 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:02.639 only rule that like everyone has is that to be 300 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:09.440 a part of the event, you had to have an 301 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:13.240 affix or suffix to your name on the character. So 302 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.960 and you no one knew what those would be until 303 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:19.679 like a few minutes before the event began, so you 304 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:21.720 couldn't create a character beforehand, and like. 305 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:24.799 Or pigs. 306 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.320 All right, this is organized, Yeah, very organized. 307 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.679 Yeah, it's definitely definitely nice to organize that. Like, yeah, 308 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:36.039 one minute to the event starts, there was like just 309 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:39.320 a post in the announcement channel like this is the 310 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:41.960 suffix that you should pick if you're in like to 311 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:46.120 be in this group or community, et cetera. So yeah, 312 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:49.360 and then everyone creates characters without the suffix and looks 313 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:50.200 in and the ghost. 314 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:54.080 Right, So which streamer did you send feet Pigs to first? 315 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:55.879 Was it Goozu? Was it Sabax? 316 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:01.399 I've never heard of Alex. I know, of course from 317 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:04.680 the dueling tournaments back in the day. I'm not really 318 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:09.240 a follower. I played with Jogurt and MGT in TBC 319 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:14.599 for a while, but we were not involved with with 320 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:17.000 any of any of them. We have our own guild 321 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:20.519 and we're just doing our own thing, and but we 322 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.799 were adhering to these rules of like the event starts 323 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:25.920 at the twelve and that's. 324 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.200 It, all right, very good. Well, best of luck with that. 325 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:32.279 Did you do you have anything you want to say? 326 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:34.599 Get off your final shots before you go to bed 327 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.039 about all the countdown is getting on your case for 328 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:38.799 power leveling. 329 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.279 Yeah, I mean. 330 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:47.839 It really felt like, you know, those Reddit posts were 331 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:52.559 where the the you know, battered casules are crying about 332 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:54.640 try hard telling them how to play the game, or 333 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:56.839 that they're bad at the game and they're getting gate 334 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.599 capt right, but it was in the reverse right, That's 335 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:03.480 how it's to me. But that's that's all good. 336 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.000 I mean, like I said, if you're if your guild 337 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.559 got together and you're like boys, literally the only reason 338 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:12.839 where entertaining your thought of coming back to SOD is 339 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.400 to do those level sixty raids again, then I get it. 340 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:21.480 I understand. But if there was like a server wide 341 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:25.599 universal memorandum of understanding, which is the hot term these days, 342 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:31.640 that you know, fucking everyone would enjoy the level upraids 343 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:35.079 together and do the thing, then I do understand the 344 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:37.799 backlash to you and your guild going as screw that, 345 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.039 you know, we're gonna fucking zip to sixty and own 346 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.880 this server. But that's not what happened, So I understand. 347 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:47.079 Course, no, no, of course, I'm like, our interest is 348 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:50.359 just to see if we can clear all the raids 349 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:54.279 like within two days. So for the event beginning right. 350 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:58.960 Right, So it's almost like a progression speed run as 351 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:00.359 opposed to a raids run. 352 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.079 Yeah kind of. It's like just a race from level 353 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:08.000 one to the final boss and. 354 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.319 Sorry one to be is that's the race? 355 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:18.319 Well, we're not chasing a full piece gears that will 356 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.079 will do every rate, probably no more than once and 357 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:22.880 then we're done. 358 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:27.480 Right, fair enough? Is there anything else you want to 359 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:28.920 say before I changed the topic? 360 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:35.519 Just that the the participation in the event is like 361 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:41.720 pretty insane, right, Like someone was running a spy ad 362 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:46.319 on like that, what's it called, like a Sancho sadon 363 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:52.359 and he was peaking at like five eight hundred people 364 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:54.359 logging in through the event on a server that had 365 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:57.200 like less than one hundred active ward players that shut 366 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.000 up to almost six k and when the event was peaking. 367 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:00.960 That's pretty good. 368 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:03.559 So if if anyone is hitching for salt, like you 369 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:05.319 can check out the wild growth hord on. 370 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:12.200 Yeah, send feet pigs to arcos and apply to fake fresh. Yeah, beautifultly, guys, 371 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:13.640 we're gonna sorry. 372 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:16.519 I was just gonna say good night. 373 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:19.039 Good night mate, I hope you sleep well, sweet dreams. 374 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:19.279 All right? 375 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:19.720 How good? 376 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:22.720 How a good chat with thank you? I love you? 377 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.759 Let cream did let disagreem talk a lot because it's 378 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:27.119 been a while since we heard his words? 379 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:29.920 All right, you can you can talk? 380 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.480 You debating me into the Chinese servers and ghosting me? 381 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:38.279 Oh yeah you did? When did you stop playing? When 382 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:39.759 you stop playing Titan forged? 383 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:41.920 Uh? 384 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.000 About three seconds after she loved it? 385 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:50.799 No, I stopped actively in February. I got quite busy irl, 386 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:53.319 so I focused on that. But I helped helped the 387 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.000 guild out as much as I could, and the Guilt 388 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:01.240 got the fastest as a sea speed row and did 389 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:06.759 when the nax Ramos progression Whenxramas launched. But then after 390 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:08.880 nax Raamas there was like an issue just with a 391 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:12.599 player availability, so the project and died there. 392 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:14.640 Not not that it matters, but if I can just 393 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:16.519 get you on the record before you go to sleep. 394 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:19.000 What do you think is getting announced at bliz Coon. 395 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:25.759 Do you think it's Classic plus Wrath anniversary or both? 396 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:25.720 Both? 397 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:27.319 Okay, very good? 398 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:30.559 Oh yeah I think both. 399 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:32.759 Alrighty, I'm just going to say good ey to some 400 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:38.119 guys who are good night mate, love you some old 401 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.640 friendly faces that I love chatting to, and I'm so 402 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:42.880 happy they here beef noodles. How are you mates? 403 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:47.000 Good, Josh, nice to see you. 404 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.079 It's I know I've I've dared to show my face. 405 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:53.039 It's been too long. It's been way too long. Dared 406 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:56.039 to show my face in the discord again. And we've 407 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.079 also got stand dash mate. How are you? 408 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:01.759 I'm good? How are you doing good? 409 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:04.759 Brother? You're a part of that leadership crew which is 410 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:07.400 doing so well with the guild. And another face I 411 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:09.160 haven't seen for a while. You might want to stay 412 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:12.119 on mute, and that's fine, Campsy brother, always love you. 413 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:17.759 I think he's out and about. Are you down at Woollies? 414 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:21.640 No, it's on the phone. 415 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:25.079 In and about the house doing some chores. All good, 416 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:29.319 all good, chaws chaws, he says, euphemistically. 417 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.000 All right, yeah, I was doing some gardening. 418 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.519 That's some self gardening. All right, guys, let's get into it. 419 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:42.279 I now want to turn to out our man, our 420 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:45.960 smart man, who's been just doing the greatest job in 421 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:51.279 the Countdown Discord of really breaking down the back end 422 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:53.799 as best he can with the info that we've got 423 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:56.720 on the news that's happened this week. So we've got 424 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.319 to blaster here, and everyone's going to creep a little 425 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:02.559 bit closer on their chairs now because this is the 426 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:04.799 part of the conversation they really want to hear about. 427 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:08.960 As exciting as chatting to Arcos is, we all want 428 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:12.160 to hear about what might be coming next. Now, guys, 429 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:14.839 please correct me if I get this summary incorrect in 430 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:19.440 any way, but to put it crudely, in the last week, 431 00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:23.160 the classic Well subreddit has been popping off. You know, 432 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:25.599 Twitter has been I don't use Twitter anymore, I deleted 433 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:27.359 it like a year and a half ago, but I've 434 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:31.640 seen screenshots of conversations on Twitter going off surrounding this, 435 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:36.640 you know, discovery of a what is you know, Obviously, 436 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:39.039 in my mind, I'm sure you guys agree a code 437 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:43.799 name for a Blizzard project, and that code name has 438 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:49.000 been outed as Camelot. So now the question on everyone's 439 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:51.480 lips is what is Camelot? What is Camelot? And the 440 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.000 simple answer may simply be, oh, you know, that's obviously 441 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:58.799 classic plus, but you know, not necessarily one hundred percent. 442 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:02.039 So so we'll have that conversation about it. But what's 443 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:06.079 been really helpful and interesting for me to see has 444 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:13.000 been to Blaster's breakdown on exactly how everything is categorized 445 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:15.519 and parked and the stuff that they can data mine, 446 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:18.480 Like there's no gain details that can be extracted at 447 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.359 this point, but a lot of interesting stuff that you know, 448 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:23.759 maybe some people don't find interesting because it doesn't glean 449 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:25.839 that much light on the project, but it gives us 450 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:28.000 a little something. So to Blaster, mate, I'll turn to 451 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:30.000 you and just say, mate, if you can give us 452 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.880 a little bit, show you your NERD cred here, if 453 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:36.240 you can unfurl your resume, like, are you you work 454 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:36.480 in it? 455 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.440 Yeah, I'm a software engineer by trade. That's what I do, 456 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:41.599 very good. 457 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:44.200 So yeah, now there's a lot of software engineers going, 458 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:46.519 well fucking let's see if yours is bigger than mine. 459 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.480 What's your experience? Tell us all about your background. 460 00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:54.160 So I work mostly with data modeling, reporting metrics for 461 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:59.599 complex systems like voipe so phone systems, and predominantly I 462 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.200 was in the front end, but these days I work 463 00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:07.279 more inside like a WS with like ETL pipelines, just yeah, 464 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.039 passing information from one place to another. Make sure it lands, 465 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:13.279 make sure it transforms properly, and you know, figure out 466 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:13.759 what it means. 467 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.440 Basically perfect. All right, my head is already spinning, but 468 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:19.880 I love it. So tell us this is kind of 469 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:21.759 going to be your story to tell here to Blast, 470 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:23.880 I'm just going to help you along where needed. But 471 00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:25.920 tell us where this all started. 472 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:34.119 So the first like iteration of this this name Camelot 473 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:37.559 was published on x I think it was on Tuesday 474 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:40.799 or Monday this week by a data miner who was 475 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:45.240 looking at Blizzard's internal product catalog that's available publicly. You 476 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:47.480 can scrape metadata from those and look at it. 477 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:51.200 Can iry. I interrupted just at this point, so I'm 478 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:53.000 going to be really rude. I'm so sorry to Blast. 479 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.599 This was the intriguing part to me that nobody really 480 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.960 talked about. I did see this guy pop up on Twitter. 481 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.799 Is he like a known entity in data mining or 482 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:07.200 is he literally just some fucking guy? 483 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.960 Yeah, so this guy is I don't, like I said, 484 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:12.680 I don't know him. I'm not really in many of 485 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:14.400 those circles. I do a lot of the stuff just 486 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:18.519 for myself for funzies, but they, as far as I know, 487 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.599 his credential is basically somebody who is well known in 488 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:25.640 the like world of warcraft data mining Blizzard discord s okay, Okay, 489 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:29.039 so I think he also has connections to Wowhead because 490 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.480 Wildhead also has data mining operations that they do like 491 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:36.400 in partnership with Blizzard, and data mining really is just 492 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.960 like a back and forth game between you know, the 493 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.880 software engineers at Blizzard and people that just want to 494 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.839 figure out what's going on. Okay, So there is a 495 00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.519 little bit of like, you know, data mining is is 496 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.799 not really BM it's just expected and it is a 497 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.519 good way for them to also intentionally drop hype, which 498 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:54.119 is something we can talk about as well. 499 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.079 Yeah, and and I will, trust me, we will dive 500 00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.480 in on that because I made the tongue in cheeked 501 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:04.079 tongue in cheek joke that you know, self leak season 502 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.480 has begun. We will dive into that later on. But 503 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.119 it started with this account. And that's why I wanted 504 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:13.319 to know that. I'm like, was this some new person, 505 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:17.079 new account that's just randomly popped up and gone, oh, 506 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:19.960 what's this? Because that would have added credence to the 507 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:22.519 like what's to say that's not just you know, a 508 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.519 grand or someone just whipping up a new Twitter account 509 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:27.960 and doing that. But it's good to know that, No, 510 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.240 this person does have a history. They are a long 511 00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:35.279 time you know, Blizzard data minor. They've got some credibility 512 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:37.279 or weight to what they say. So that's a good start, 513 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:39.759 all right, I rudely interrupted you mate, keep going with 514 00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:40.640 the start of the story. 515 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.160 Yeah, no worries. So that just to clarify real quick, 516 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.319 that data is verified as existing, so you know that 517 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.359 leak is real. I've verified it, in corporated it myself too, 518 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.200 So if you want to go look at it, there 519 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:54.839 are ways you can do it. I won't get into 520 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.519 the nitty gritty of how here, but there are ways 521 00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:01.880 to do that. Okay. So basically on on Monday or Tuesday, 522 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:03.880 I don't remember which day it was exactly, that was 523 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.160 released and came out and it got immediate attention from 524 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.920 pretty much everybody into space, so you know, there was 525 00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.559 a Wowhead article went out. Icy Veins also talked about 526 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.119 it a little bit, and that got me wondering, you 527 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:20.480 know what's inside Blizzard zone you know battle dot net clients, Yeah, 528 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.839 what's in the box? What's in the box exactly? So 529 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:25.880 a couple of things I also want to just point 530 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:31.039 out there is a one point six zero branch of 531 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.920 World of Warcraft that's on what's called Blizzard CDN and 532 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.720 that is basically their public facing like we're working on 533 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:42.799 a thing space under a and it's it's classified under 534 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.359 a branch called wow dev two, But that basically is 535 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.559 it's completely encrypted, so you know, you cannot see like 536 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:51.759 any parts of anything that's on there, Like there's no 537 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:53.920 way to dig out, like, oh, is I don't know, 538 00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.200 is Warrior going to have this ability? It's not possible. 539 00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.240 But just on that, it's it's the flag that once 540 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:04.720 Blizzard internally starts basically for all intents and purposes, working 541 00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.480 on a new client update, that appears there is that, right. 542 00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.160 So yeah, if Blizzard's working on something, it doesn't have 543 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.559 to be any product they're going to release. It might 544 00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.839 be some test build, it could be anything. We really 545 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.039 don't know, okay, And you can look at the metadata 546 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.440 for that on blizz track and all of that information 547 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.240 is basically hidden, and all you'll really gap from it 548 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.319 is that it says that's this some one point six 549 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.839 zero build, which again we've never seen that before. Season 550 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.480 of Discovery was one point one five I believe, so 551 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:36.559 one point six zero is much further ahead. 552 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:38.759 Yeah, let's let's talk about that for two seconds, if 553 00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.799 that's all right. And again, sorry I'm being so annoying guys, 554 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.799 but I've got a million questions because I am the 555 00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.000 layman in this conversation that grabbed me as well to 556 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.720 blast where I'm like, okay, we've got, like, you know, 557 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.160 the old one point one two, and you know, even 558 00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.880 a meathead like me somewhat keeps track of. Oh yeah, 559 00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:58.680 Classic comes out in twenty nineteen, and I believe that 560 00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:01.400 was the one point one three and as you say, 561 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.359 sod came along with one point one five. You know, 562 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:09.039 my eyes, you know, immediately lit up and notice like 563 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.680 one point one point one five to one point six. 564 00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:16.920 I actually I don't get it now. I'm like, from 565 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:20.799 a software development thing, I'm like, why didn't they just 566 00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:23.839 do one point one seven or one point two? I 567 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:24.599 don't get it. 568 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.440 Yeah, there really isn't a good explanation or obvious reason 569 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.519 that that might be the case. Some people have maybe 570 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:34.920 speculated that it could be a reference to the fact 571 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:36.640 that it is going to be Classic plus caped at 572 00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:40.880 level sixty, hence six zero Okay, but we do know 573 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.640 the fact we can reasonably determine, I should say that 574 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.400 because it's a one dot client, we know it's going 575 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.680 to be a vanilla client. You know, TBC is two 576 00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:52.960 two dot x dot x and Wrath of the lich 577 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:54.880 King is always going to be three dot x dot x. 578 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.440 Just just so tell the lame in the significant sorry, 579 00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.160 tell the layman the significance of that. 580 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.000 So, what we basically know with it being a like 581 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.039 a one dot x build is that it's gonna it's 582 00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:10.920 basically gonna have at least vanilla assets. There are some 583 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:13.640 like it's again it's entirely speculation. A lot of this 584 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:18.279 is just what like inference based on what exists. But yeah, 585 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.119 the significance is basically one dot one dot x, dot 586 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.359 x in this case, you know, one dot six dot 587 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.039 zero really is just a confirmed like Blizzard client that 588 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:28.039 exists on that branch. 589 00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:31.680 So to be sorry, you finish off, then I'll jump in, No, 590 00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:32.119 you're good. 591 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:36.279 All I was to say, sorry, you go ahead, you go, 592 00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:36.960 you go go go go. 593 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.079 Okay, all I was gonna say is so does that 594 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.160 then mean whilst you could you know, you're a developer, 595 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:46.680 you could add whatever to whatever client. I understand that, 596 00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.640 but is it far more likely than not given that 597 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:54.119 it is a one dot X client up date that 598 00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:57.480 that you know, all but certain rules out You're not 599 00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.000 gonna see any outland, You're not going to see any 600 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.920 north rand. This is just going to be the Vanilla world. 601 00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.400 Even though technically speaking, they could go I'm sure, like, 602 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.200 correct me if I'm wrong, they could go off the 603 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:13.319 Vanilla client, but then for whatever god unknown reason manually 604 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:15.880 remake out lands and inserted in I don't know. 605 00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.039 Yeah, so there really isn't a good answer to that. 606 00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.519 It's like they could have named it one dot something 607 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:26.480 because it's the new version of whatever this current iteration 608 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:30.839 of game they're building is, or it could be that, yeah, 609 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:32.839 it's it's a signifier that they're going to build it 610 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.880 in the Vanilla world. I think, like, I don't really 611 00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.480 have a like a strong view on that. Either way, 612 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:43.640 it could be one or the other. I would probably 613 00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.200 say that since it's it's labeled like a one dot 614 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:48.599 X product, it's it's probably just going to be based 615 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.279 in Vanilla, and that's kind of how they're they're labeling it. 616 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.519 You know, the guy, the same guy that posted the 617 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.640 leak about Camelot does suggest that there is a hard 618 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:04.279 connection this branch and the Camelot labels. I haven't personally 619 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:09.799 seen that, so it basically it means whatever whatever data 620 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:15.799 he scraped from these these vendor labels. So for those 621 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:18.359 of us that don't know, the vendor labels showed a 622 00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:23.759 registration for licenses, uh for two different products. One of 623 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.960 them was a World of Warcraft Camelot Heroic. The other 624 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.680 one was a World of Warcraft Camelot Epic. And that 625 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.720 suggests like two different versions of the game at launch 626 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.000 in the Blizzard store, which may indicate a box price, right, 627 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.119 So that that's one thing that we might see. And 628 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:44.559 up until what I discovered this like yesterday, basically there 629 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:48.640 was no actual conclusive proof that it wasn't just some 630 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:55.039 retail mount pack or something like that, right, no real 631 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:58.599 way to tell, but other than the speculation or the 632 00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.759 statements that these people have said, like oh yeah, this 633 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.039 is definitely what they're working on on this one point 634 00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:03.920 six branch. 635 00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.720 As you say there, though, I think it is important 636 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.320 to note like, yeah, we don't know. It could also 637 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:13.679 just refer to like the standard extra amount packs that 638 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.840 we've seen through like anniversary servers or whatnot, and like 639 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.920 that doesn't set in concrete that there will be a 640 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:21.840 box price. 641 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.320 Correct correct, Okay, on that. 642 00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.000 Note, if I can just go tangentially away with the 643 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:31.679 crowd now and sorry to blaster, I shit you not. 644 00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:33.519 I am on the bloody edge of my seat. You 645 00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:36.159 are doing such a phenomenal job, the guys are. The 646 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:39.880 room is deathly quiet because everyone is listening so intently 647 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:42.239 to every word you're saying. You're doing such a great job, guys, 648 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:43.559 if I can just throw it out to the crowd 649 00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.320 and say, on that interesting note when you hear the 650 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:50.079 blast to say, okay, we've now gotten to the point 651 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.039 where it's been data mined these you know Camelot heroic, 652 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:57.159 Camelot epic that signifies the potential for a box price. 653 00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.239 Or maybe it's just mount packages. I have said for 654 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:05.079 some years that I've been shocked that no box price 655 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.760 has been attached to any form of Classic product. You know, 656 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.440 if I say it a hundred times, I'm shooting for 657 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.480 that one time that I'm going to be correct. I'm 658 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.039 still sticking with my guess that has been proven to 659 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.960 be wrong over and over again, that this time Classic 660 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:24.760 Plus will have a box price. I don't, and people 661 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:26.920 get upset and go shut up, Josha, you're willing it 662 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.159 into existence. I don't hope there's a fucking box price, 663 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.400 but I just again would guess there is. When you 664 00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:38.159 guys hear about this, do you, as consumers presume, oh, 665 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:41.000 that'll just be data mining for mount packages or do 666 00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.679 you think maybe it will be the box price this time? 667 00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.599 First in best dressed guys going out, someone be brave? 668 00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:51.440 Uh. 669 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.119 I fully expect there to be a box price if 670 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:56.559 this is going to be a project that they're going 671 00:35:56.639 --> 00:36:01.480 to commit long term time into, either that or some 672 00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:01.920 sort of. 673 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:03.519 Battle pass yep. 674 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:05.239 If this goes beyond. 675 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.559 Something to find it further to be ongoing development with it. 676 00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:11.079 Yeah, So it's sort of like we've alluded to in 677 00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.519 the past. If this is truly something beyond the scope 678 00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.800 of seasonal work, then that would justify maybe them throwing 679 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:20.159 a box price on it. Is that what you mean? 680 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:21.800 Stand exactly? 681 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:22.159 Yeah? 682 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:24.360 Okay, anyone else on this one? 683 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:26.480 It's wow too. 684 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:34.559 What if it's like, yeah, it's a box price, so. 685 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:34.880 You know watch that. 686 00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.159 Yeah, you know how guild War's went to guild Wars too. 687 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.599 Now Guild War's three is coming out next year. Yeah, well, 688 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.159 what's to say that Wow is never going to go 689 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.760 to a wow to People have always talked about Classic Class, 690 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.280 or at least for the last ten years, they've talked 691 00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:51.920 about Classic Class. But if it's actually a reinvention of 692 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:56.199 World Warcraft, possibly not even an Ezrath. If it's a Wow, 693 00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:59.239 toe be insane, But there would definitely be a box 694 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:00.519 price to that because it's a new game. 695 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.199 I want to come back to de Blaster on that 696 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.400 because there's two points I want to quickly dive into 697 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:08.679 there that you've raised Gecko to Blaster. Sorry I heard 698 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:10.599 you quickly say under your breath there there might be 699 00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:12.960 something that supports that. What were you talking about? 700 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.960 Yeah, so anyone can do this right now, but if 701 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:21.239 you have Anniversary or Classic installed on your launcher, inside 702 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.760 the executable binaries for the game, you can. The easiest 703 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:26.239 way to do this is just to have an LM 704 00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.880 like chat GPT read it. But uh, you can look 705 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:32.559 at that and inside those inside the Classic product, there 706 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:37.360 is currently a flag for what is called mainline Camelot. 707 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:41.760 Now what's significant about this is this I haven't heard 708 00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.119 anybody talking about this yet, so I don't know if 709 00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.360 this is mainstream or if it's just just me or what. 710 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:48.559 This is claimate, claimate, it's all you. 711 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:54.480 But so inside inside the the executable, these environment flags 712 00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:57.960 basically tell the file how to behave depending on basically 713 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.519 what you're trying to run. So there is a giant 714 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.599 what's called enroom of flags that exists that are like, 715 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:08.719 you know, is Classic, is Classic TBC, is Classic Wrath, 716 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:11.280 is Classic Kata, And they will tell you like what 717 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:13.960 version of the game is trying to be run? And 718 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:16.639 you know, I don't know exactly what drives those There 719 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.239 isn't really a good way to find out just from 720 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:20.639 the binaries. It's really hard to read because it's all 721 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:26.840 like compiled. But basically there is a flag called is 722 00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:31.599 Mainline Retail and is Mainline Camelot. Now what's interesting about 723 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.960 that is that all of the other like classic products 724 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:39.400 are just called is Classic, TBC, is Classic you know, Kata, 725 00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:43.800 is Classic Wrath. Now it's not is Classic Camelot, It 726 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:47.199 is Mainline Camelot, which is the only one named similarly 727 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:51.800 to is Mainline Retail. Now what that suggests, and again 728 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.480 I'm not gonna say for sure that anyone really knows 729 00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.559 the answer to this. It's entirely speculation from here, but 730 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:01.800 what that suggests is the naming convention supports a long 731 00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:05.280 standing product that may carry a box price and may 732 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:09.199 not be seasonal with it being referred to as a mainline. 733 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:11.400 It sounds more like it's going to be a first 734 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:12.840 class product that. 735 00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:18.800 Is the spiciest fucking mate bawl. I love that. That's 736 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:23.000 really interesting, guys. Is anyone else's brain ticking over after 737 00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:27.719 hearing that? Oh yeah, what are your thoughts? 738 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:33.199 That gets me very excited in a. 739 00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:37.360 In a mental land of physical way. 740 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.239 Mostly physical. 741 00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:43.480 I'm just thinking I haven't thought too much about the 742 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.760 logistics of how they were going to execute Classic, but 743 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.639 it sounds pretty substantial if they are going to go 744 00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:51.039 with like a totally new product with the box price. 745 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.320 It's it's really interesting. Sorry, sorry you go to blastom. 746 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:58.960 I was gonna say it's again, it's I want to 747 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.679 really flag to this. This is just speculation, but based 748 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:04.559 on the naming convention, that's what it suggests. 749 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:10.400 Huh. I'm just okay. So here's the interesting wrinkle to 750 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.639 add in though, because obviously we all know like the 751 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.760 near future of retail has been out there, like obviously 752 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.840 Midnight just launched and it's the second of a trilogy 753 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.920 with I believe it's the last Titan coming out you know, 754 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:30.920 in whatever, a year and a half's time or whatever. Yeah, 755 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:36.679 so it it to me doesn't necessarily shoot something off 756 00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.960 in my brain where I'm like, oh, they'll pull all 757 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:44.719 the Classic and retail people in together and after the 758 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.880 last Titan they go with Camelot. Like, that's not where 759 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:51.480 my brain is going. But that mainline tag, as you 760 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.159 said to Blastar, is like, is this the signifier that 761 00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.239 we're not digging around anymore? We're not doing the the 762 00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.039 fresh after fresh and the reroll after reroll. We are 763 00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:09.559 setting a concrete point in time for a real years 764 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.360 on new Classic franchise to begin. I think, I mean, 765 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:15.880 this is a lot of speculation based off of one 766 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.039 little word in a in a file, but I mean, 767 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.360 screw it. I don't think it's cope. I think it's 768 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:23.800 like worthy speculation. 769 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.960 Yeah, I means, go ahead. 770 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:32.639 I was just gonna ask how was SOD classified in 771 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:33.440 those files. 772 00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.960 SOD was just classified under the wild Classic header, so 773 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:41.039 you you don't see anything that isn't like a mainline 774 00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.960 expansion and I do have SOD installed just to clarify, 775 00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:45.719 so it would have shown up if there was one. 776 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:49.840 So what you know, what's in there is basically checks 777 00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:53.239 for like all the major patches that Classic is covered 778 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.719 so far, all the way up to MOP and then 779 00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.320 mainline retail and it's like, okay, so we have that 780 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.440 and then we right next to it mainline Camelot. When 781 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.519 I saw that, I was like, basically, you know, I 782 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:06.159 don't know if I'm allowed to cuss, but like, what 783 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.960 the F was? That was my first response to seeing that. 784 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:13.119 I'm just like, well, it's this literal, like you know, 785 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:18.519 conventional named flag for this inside Blizzards executables that's just 786 00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.320 visible for you to look at, you know, if you 787 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:25.039 can read it out of the binary. But you know, 788 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.480 it really, it really, in my mind at least, lends 789 00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.039 itself to, you know, an OSRS style reboot of Classic 790 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:35.679 Wow as a mainline you know, flagship product, because they're 791 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:39.360 culling it mainline, you know, And that's really interesting because 792 00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.119 it's like everything else we already know the expansions for 793 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.519 if it was going to be, if that was Wrath Anniversary, 794 00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.400 I mean, it can't be. We already haven't is Wrath 795 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:51.559 classic Flag. There really is nothing else it could be 796 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.840 in my head. So you know, again it is speculation, 797 00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.000 but it's I mean, if you want a smoking gun 798 00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.519 the Classic Plus ex I can't see it getting closer 799 00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:01.760 than that. 800 00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:06.960 I can plum mean, I have to laugh when I 801 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:10.559 come back to the fact that we're even still speculating 802 00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:13.000 whether or not Classic plus exists, Like there are still 803 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:16.559 so many people out there that say, you know, Classic 804 00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.000 Plus is bullshit, It's a myth. Look at all these 805 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:24.039 kopa's out there, Like I couldn't fathom being able to 806 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:27.559 sit here in June of this year right now and 807 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.199 go I don't think Classic plus is coming, Like I 808 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:35.039 just I don't even have like, you know, civil words 809 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.920 to say to that concept at this point. But anyway, 810 00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.239 when you say all that to Blast, I'm kind of 811 00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.280 like it lends more credence. And again this might be 812 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.239 a vast overstepping and extrapolation on what is a very 813 00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.519 very basic level of data mining, just a one word 814 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.960 tag that where now I'm losing my mind over. But 815 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.760 what it signifies to me is something we've said for 816 00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.400 you know, the last while on the podcast, and I 817 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.079 know something I've been saying for the last two to 818 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:02.960 three years, and I'd love to hear you guys comment 819 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.360 on what I'm about to say. I have said for 820 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:11.239 a long freaking time. The Classic team has to figure 821 00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.920 out what to do with us in the long term, 822 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:19.639 because I remember back in twenty nineteen saying, look, and 823 00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.880 this is just me and I'm not everyone, and I 824 00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:23.840 get that. I was like, these guys have got me 825 00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:26.840 for about five years. I was like, yeah, I'll do 826 00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:30.000 I'll do Vanilla, I'll do TBC if they do it. 827 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.840 I'll do Rat that they do it. But I've probably 828 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:35.519 got about five years in me. I'll do the trilogy 829 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:39.119 and whatever. And even though we're a little bit beyond 830 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:42.599 the five years now, that is in line with when 831 00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.119 my interests started to wane. You know, I told you 832 00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:48.559 guys about at the start of twenty five my classic 833 00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:54.280 fire really did start to dim. And it's you know, 834 00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.119 obviously it's running on fumes at the moment, because I said, 835 00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:59.239 I wasn't that excited about TBC, and you know, I 836 00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.840 haven't really been playing. That's been fine, but I was like, 837 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:07.480 these guys need something beyond the consistent rerolls. The fresh 838 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:11.639 aft like Anniversary still seems like it's an April fool's 839 00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.760 joke to me, just the reroll after reroll, the fresh 840 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:18.719 after fresh. They can't keep doing that forever at nauseum, 841 00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:21.239 even though this is a player base that loves a 842 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:25.440 good fresh like that is getting old real quick. So 843 00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:30.920 they worked out, thankfully Classic Plus needs to come along 844 00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:34.079 as not just thankfully they tied it us over with 845 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.800 the seasonal stuff. That's great, som and SOD came along 846 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.880 to abate people like me, but also they've clearly worked out, 847 00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:43.400 in my opinion, that they need a permanent home for 848 00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:46.559 us in the long run, because it's like, cool, we've 849 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:50.360 squeezed these guys dry for every ounce of interest in cash. 850 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.559 We can for a five or six year period that 851 00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:57.760 the Countdowns of the world are fucking out of here 852 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.679 if we don't find them a permanent Hime home. And 853 00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:07.360 I think tagging something like that as mainline shows to 854 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:12.199 me like people have speculated this goes well beyond a 855 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:17.840 seasonal effort, and this is something so foundational that they 856 00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:23.159 will then seek to make Classic unique expansions for the 857 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.599 Classic franchise to build on Classic Plus. So like I 858 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:30.639 would guess that enough effort has gone into this thing 859 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.000 that's going to be announced in September of this year 860 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.679 that they may even mention on the stage of Bliscon. Guys, 861 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.920 this is not a season. This is us. This is 862 00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:43.920 our baby. Now we've convinced the higher ups to let 863 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.360 us have our own game, and we will be building 864 00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:52.719 expansions for this moving forward. That again, that's a huge 865 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.159 rant to go off of one mainline tag. Tell me 866 00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:57.679 I'm crazy to blast. 867 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.199 No, I mean, I don't think so. If you're going 868 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.760 to attack something as mainline with the only other reference 869 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.760 point being the retail main branch, it's like the only 870 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:10.079 the only real way you're going to attack something. 871 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:14.639 Like Sorry, guys, at this stage, I kicked my computer 872 00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:18.639 because I was so excited and enjoying the conversation so much. 873 00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:20.920 So we'll just throw you back into the spot where 874 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:21.719 I restarted. 875 00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:26.440 So we'll start at one point five, and then we'll 876 00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:28.760 build up to and then like the one point zero 877 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.760 release would be like one point six is kind of. 878 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:34.320 How you could look at it. Yeah, were like they would. 879 00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:36.920 Like logically start and then like logically end. So I'm 880 00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.760 seeing like the breadcrumb trail here that they want us 881 00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:41.119 to see if this was their intention. 882 00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:43.880 Yeah, and that's really all it is. And that's a 883 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.840 good thing to kind of reflect on, is that it 884 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.559 is a breadcrumb trail and we can try and draw 885 00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:50.400 as many hard answers out of it as we like, 886 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.360 but you know, ultimately we do have to remember that 887 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:54.280 it is speculation. 888 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.639 So is there anything that's happening in retail right now 889 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.559 that is related to Camelot? Because someone mentioned that it 890 00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:04.559 could be just like mountain packs or something like that. 891 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.840 Is there anything in retail. I'm not paying attention to 892 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:09.800 any of like the retail expansion stuff right now, so 893 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.360 I have no idea, But is there anything thematically that 894 00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.239 naming something in the data files as Camelot would relate 895 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:17.800 to that? Where it's like, if it does end up 896 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:20.400 just being a mount drop, we would all like face 897 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.079 palm and be like we should have seen that coming. 898 00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:24.480 No, so there's no chance that what it is is 899 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.599 a mountpack just because of what it is and where 900 00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:30.239 it's located when we had the label leaks. So I 901 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.280 want to make sure that everyone's kind of understanding of 902 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:34.920 following this, So I'll just repeat this and apologies if 903 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.880 people already get this, But so the label leaks that 904 00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.000 happened on like Monday Tuesday of this week are separate 905 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:43.920 from what exists that I've found inside the Wild binaries. 906 00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:48.519 They just share a similar name, so the label registries. Basically, 907 00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.840 it's a product that's going to exist inside you know, 908 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:57.280 Blizzard's product catalog basically in the store, and that's a 909 00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.199 good place to look for upcoming products because it's like, well, 910 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.719 they're going to start prepping that before they sell it. 911 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:06.760 Does that makes sense? Right? And yeah, like if something 912 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.440 were to be a mount pack and it were named Camelot, 913 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:11.480 you could find labels for that and maybe be like, 914 00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:13.760 you know, what is this is that? You know? There 915 00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.199 is some discussion icy Veins I think even talk about 916 00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:20.639 it in their article covering that label leak as yeah, 917 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.679 like this could just be a mountpack, and they are right, 918 00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:26.159 those labels that they leaked on Monday Tuesday could absolutely 919 00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:28.599 just be a mountpack. But what I found inside the 920 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.480 actual Wow Classic binary, it can't be a mountpack. It's 921 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.639 listed right alongside the other game versions. There's no way. 922 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.599 All right, Sorry for all you listeners, I'll throw in 923 00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:42.960 a cheeky edit there. Sorry to all you Twitch view. 924 00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.719 As I was getting so excited, I kicked my computer 925 00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:53.320 and a race start. This is the most fascinating chat 926 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:56.679 for me. I love this. Sorry so to Blaster, you 927 00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.480 were in the midst of something when I, you know, 928 00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:05.000 ko my stream. But I might just go around the 929 00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.280 room now while we give to Blaster a moment to 930 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.760 take a breath and think about where we're going next 931 00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:12.639 in terms of the next part of the story. Does 932 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:14.880 anyone else have any anything to say on all of 933 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.159 this info that we've just been smashed over the head 934 00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:23.039 with any speculation? 935 00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:23.559 Yeah? 936 00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:28.000 God, I have kind of a question about is if 937 00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:30.159 they were going to release a game that has a 938 00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:35.079 box price, is there anything that you know, you would 939 00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:38.400 expect them to do differently with the game now that 940 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:40.800 they're asking you to chill out money for it again, 941 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:43.599 because like, I haven't played Classic or Wow or in 942 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.639 any form for a little while now, and uh, but 943 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:49.960 I still frequent the subreddit, you know, it's still something 944 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:53.480 that I keep tangential interest in. So but when I 945 00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:55.880 look at the subreddit and stuff, and I kind of 946 00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:58.199 think this relates a little to what you were saying 947 00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.679 Josh earlier about your winning interest and they can't just 948 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:03.920 keep releasing fresh because I think that there's diminishing returns 949 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.280 every time they do it, because I think that like 950 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.599 the bot problems and stuff like that get worse and 951 00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:14.559 worse every time it's more. Yeah, And so you know, 952 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.960 when I visit the Classic Wow forum, it's kind of 953 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:19.360 the same topics always crop up. It's like, oh man, 954 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.559 there's gold buying, and like all the gdkp's being banned 955 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.639 is a bummer or they're secretly happening or whatever. And 956 00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.199 then now is this big casino bot thing where it's 957 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.519 all these videos of people killing casino bots and town 958 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.960 and stuff like that. And so if they were going 959 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:35.920 to release a product that has a price tag attached 960 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.280 to it, is it enough to justify the price that 961 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.400 they're going to possibly do like expansions and stuff like that, 962 00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:45.119 or would you want to you know, would you want 963 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.119 to see them do a crackdown on kind of the 964 00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:50.159 quality I mean of things that are happening on the server. 965 00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:54.280 It's that it's an easy answer because because of course 966 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.920 every player is going to say, oh do I want 967 00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.559 Pleazon to crack down more on bolts and gold buying? 968 00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:01.639 Of course the answers yes, everyone says, yes, you get 969 00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.599 one hundred percent return on that in a survey. But 970 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.000 I know where you're going at it is what if 971 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.519 they're going to go that, you know, quote unquote crazy 972 00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.079 step of throwing a box price on a classic product. 973 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:17.480 What justifies that? That's where I think we weave into 974 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.840 what I said in terms of getting up at Bliscon 975 00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.679 and needing to sell like you don't now just announce 976 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.880 a product. If you're doing a box price, you must 977 00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.519 win over the crowd and sell like. You have to 978 00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:34.199 sell it now because now it's not just included in 979 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:38.360 the subscription fee. You're now actively not just promoting or 980 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.880 like you know, announcing a product, you're fucking selling it. 981 00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:45.239 You're convincing people to hand over fifty bucks or whatever 982 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:48.760 for this game. How do you do that? Well, you 983 00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.639 need more on the fish hook to get people to 984 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.079 hand over that cash. And what would be the bait 985 00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:57.360 on the fish hook would be some kind of announcement 986 00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:02.599 of guys, we can't stress this enough. This ain't a season. 987 00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:07.039 This is a game. This is a proper MMO. Like 988 00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.000 think of it as like half a new MMO. Yes, 989 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:12.719 it's based in the old Azaroth that you know and love, 990 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:16.119 and that's old news. But the new news is all 991 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.119 the content that we've built around it and what we've 992 00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:22.000 done with the classes and everything. We are committed to 993 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:28.280 delivering an alternate classic here, and that means expansions as well. 994 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:30.440 And you will if they get on that stage and 995 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:34.360 say buy our product, because you will want to put 996 00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.719 the time in now because we are going somewhere with 997 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:45.039 multiple expansions, classic expansions, not TBC, not fucking Wrath or 998 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.320 like maybe in those worlds with new content, who knows. 999 00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:52.920 But we're giving you real expansions that have had real 1000 00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:57.199 teams put in work and hours on this thing that 1001 00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:01.559 marries up now sense wise or logic wise with If 1002 00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.280 a box price were to be announced, you must throw 1003 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.039 that at people, because you're right, DC. People might sit 1004 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:11.840 back and balk and go, why the fuck would I 1005 00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:16.480 spend money on a Classic product when I know what 1006 00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:20.000 I'm getting for that money. I'm getting a bot riddled game, 1007 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:24.599 a gold buying riddled game where no one takes this stuff. Seriously, 1008 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:29.079 you guys don't ban anyone for anything, like, how does 1009 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.920 that justify a price? And and that's the because I 1010 00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:36.039 can tell you now that ain't changing if anyone, if 1011 00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.519 anyone lives in a world, yeah, if you live in 1012 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.360 a world where you think blizz No, if you think 1013 00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:42.880 Blizy is cleaning up there. 1014 00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:44.800 Money. 1015 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.119 But here's what I'm saying, I think there is still 1016 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.800 a world where it can somewhat be shut up and 1017 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:56.159 take my money and still understand that they're not cleaning anything. 1018 00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:58.639 Like I know, I'm not the only one, and this 1019 00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:01.079 is a flawed respet for a lot of people. And 1020 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:04.280 I understand that I wouldn't necessarily apologize, but I would 1021 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.679 say I understand where I am the consumer that's reconciled 1022 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:11.239 with my position where I go in twenty twenty six. 1023 00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:16.960 I do understand the difficulty that does go beyond Blizzard 1024 00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.440 of running an MMO in this day and age. Guild 1025 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.119 Wars has bots, Ruinscape has bots. Bots are a thing. 1026 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.960 But I am not not, in any way, shape or 1027 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.360 form apologizing for Blizzard. They are out of control with 1028 00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:31.280 how little they do. It is. It's one thing to 1029 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:34.079 have an epidemic, but then also another thing to be 1030 00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:37.119 seen to be doing nothing about it, and that is 1031 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.400 what they do. It is the public look is they 1032 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:42.880 don't care and they just sit back knowing that people 1033 00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:45.320 will sub anyway, and they do, and that's fine, but 1034 00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.920 that requires a little bit of effort, of positive effort 1035 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.800 on Blizzard's behalf to say, look, guys, they're not going 1036 00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:54.639 to come out and say we're not doing anything about 1037 00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:57.519 the bots, but that will be the subtext. But the 1038 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.800 thing to counteract that passive passive nature towards bots would be, 1039 00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.559 but look how much positive work we've done in making 1040 00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.719 new content for you. We have really made you a 1041 00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:14.440 new classic game, and we're going to make you new expansions. 1042 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:20.199 If you feel that that sick new content, while riddled 1043 00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.119 with bots and gold buying, is still worth the price, 1044 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:25.719 then we'd love to have you. That's sort of the 1045 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.039 situation I see unfolding. Do you know what I mean? 1046 00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:30.199 Oh? 1047 00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:33.360 Yeah, I mean I I kind of expected that when 1048 00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.840 I was asking the question, you know, I was kind 1049 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:37.880 of trying to play it as like Devil's Advocate is like, 1050 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:40.400 is it enough for it to just be this stuff 1051 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:41.880 with all the underlying problems? 1052 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:42.840 But I think it is. 1053 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.320 I know that the Blizzard, the regular Blizzard consumer is 1054 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:47.800 very kind of shut up and take my money. Really, 1055 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:50.599 they won't really like hold them to a standard where 1056 00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:52.519 it's like, yeah, I appreciate all this, but like if 1057 00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.360 it's just going to be the same kind of low 1058 00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:58.639 quality of life on the servers that I'm not gonna 1059 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.639 You know, well, I know that the product is like 1060 00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.000 way too enticing. I mean, like, you know, we all 1061 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:06.880 know that we're like Wow addicts, and you can't get 1062 00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:09.280 Wow anywhere else. So like even if the Wow is 1063 00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.239 riddled with seeds and stamps, it's like you're still smoking 1064 00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:17.679 it up every day. 1065 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:15.880 Charging for it. 1066 00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:18.000 I'm with you. I'm not going to sit here and 1067 00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:20.679 play the hypocrite, which would be so easy to play. 1068 00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:23.840 I am the sucker, the loser, whatever you want to 1069 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:27.960 call me that bought multiple TBC boosts knowing that that 1070 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.880 game would have bots and gold buying and whatever. But 1071 00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:34.480 I still paid the price to get into my foot 1072 00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.039 in the door, do you know what I mean? And 1073 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:42.559 that's a long evolution of toing and throwing about how 1074 00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:44.800 I feel about boosts and how I feel about just 1075 00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:46.960 wanting to play the game or whatever it might be. 1076 00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:50.480 If I sat here and said to you, you know, 1077 00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:54.360 I'm not throwing my money at a product with bots 1078 00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:57.239 and gold buying, well it would be bullshit. Because I 1079 00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:58.840 literally just did it a few months ago, you know 1080 00:57:58.840 --> 00:57:59.440 what I mean. 1081 00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:03.119 There's going to be a level of that in any MMO, 1082 00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:07.079 I think, Yeah, no, I that's what I'm saying. Of 1083 00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:09.760 what the response is to it by the doves and 1084 00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.480 how they're you know, mitigating for it. There are plenty 1085 00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:13.199 of ways to do it. 1086 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.679 I completely agreed to Blast, and i'd sort of try 1087 00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:19.679 to iterate. It's not a popular note to hear, but 1088 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:22.400 I said it three minutes ago, and I'll say it again. 1089 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:26.920 This is not absolving or excusing Blizzard in any way, 1090 00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.960 who deserve every bit of shit that they get for 1091 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:35.079 their bot management. The only addendum that I add, whether 1092 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:38.320 or not it carries any weight, is that if you 1093 00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.039 picked up your toys and went home and go screw this, 1094 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.760 I'm going to go play another MMO, My goodness, you're 1095 00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:50.800 going to run into the same problem there. In my 1096 00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:55.079 personal opinion, there is no bot free MMO in twenty 1097 00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:55.760 twenty six. 1098 00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:00.559 Yeah, that's just the way of the world these days. 1099 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.239 I mean, especially where they're powered by AI agents, It's 1100 00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:05.280 it's really hard to detect them. 1101 00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:07.679 It sucks, it sucks, but it's the reality. 1102 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:11.960 Yep. Yeah, I think the biggest pull factor going back 1103 00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:14.280 to what you were talking about originally with you know 1104 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.760 what justifies a box price To me, it's like, well, 1105 00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:20.199 you know, I know that when I roll a character 1106 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:23.239 on Classic Plus, assuming that it's the version that you know, 1107 00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:24.960 you and I have kind of talked about and want 1108 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:28.400 to expect from, you know, what we found out, It's like, 1109 00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:30.719 once I roll that character, you know, that could just 1110 00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:34.400 be my character for the next ten years. It's not 1111 00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:38.119 some seasonal, seasonal transitory going to get merged into somewhere 1112 00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:41.760 or orphaned, you know, in a dead world somewhere. It's like, 1113 00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:44.239 you know, this is going to be a tune that 1114 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:47.280 I play for potentially the next ten years. And that's 1115 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:50.920 much more interesting than like, you know, Rath Anniversary comes out, 1116 00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:52.519 I roll a tune on there, and I know eventually 1117 00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:56.960 it's going away. I think that's something also to consider. 1118 00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:00.199 It's like you might care about collectibles or you know, 1119 01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:02.559 unique things that you can find, uh, and there's a 1120 01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.480 whole big world of things they can do if they 1121 01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:07.360 really do just reboot the game in that manner, and 1122 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:08.519 that that's what gets me excited. 1123 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:11.360 Yeak mate, if I can throw it to you, so 1124 01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:14.159 I only just saw your comment, and I'm glad that 1125 01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:16.800 I somewhat pre entered it because I was actually thinking 1126 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.719 of you as I just went through that diatribe about 1127 01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:22.400 being it trying to avoid being a hypocrite because your spot, 1128 01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:26.239 you're spot on. If nobody can talk, it's it's it's me, 1129 01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:28.199 you know what I mean? How are you, mate? 1130 01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:29.800 Doing? 1131 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:30.039 Good? 1132 01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:30.519 Brother? Good? 1133 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:32.639 See back mate, It's always good to be back. I 1134 01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:34.679 will have more time on my hands now that I've 1135 01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:37.920 finished up with the school thing. Mates. I mean, you've 1136 01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:39.800 been sitting there listening for the last few minutes. What's 1137 01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:40.760 your take on all of this? 1138 01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:42.760 I have no idea what you goes? 1139 01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:43.079 Oh? 1140 01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:44.840 Okay, got it? 1141 01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:45.280 No? 1142 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:45.360 No? 1143 01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:45.800 All good? 1144 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:46.519 Or good? All right? 1145 01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:48.840 I'll throw it back to the blast. Mate. Is there 1146 01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:50.880 a next chapter of this story? Or are we kind 1147 01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:51.280 of done? 1148 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:56.920 Yeah? No, there is beautiful kid me the Blizzard CDM. 1149 01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:59.679 There is a BGDL I might have got that acronym 1150 01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:03.280 wrong endpoint that you can check that will literally show 1151 01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:05.960 you if they are preparing a build for distribution for 1152 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:10.079 the one point six to zero branch. The common consensus 1153 01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:13.039 among everybody that's looking at that is there's nothing on it, 1154 01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:15.559 right now it returns zero if you try to look 1155 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:19.079 at it. But once they actually do prepare to ship something, 1156 01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:20.920 you know, if we are going to get Classic plus 1157 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:23.320 right after a blizz con, you know, towards the end 1158 01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:26.639 of August, we should see something pop up on there 1159 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:28.159 and I'll be sounding the alarm as soon as I 1160 01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.199 see it. So yeah, that's that's stuff to look out for. 1161 01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:34.440 But other than that, I think everyone's just going to 1162 01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:36.639 be trying to scan everything and find as many camelot 1163 01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:40.800 strings as they can. So right now, that's all there is, 1164 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.719 but uh, there's there's definitely going to be more stuff 1165 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:44.639 that comes for sure. 1166 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:45.519 All right. 1167 01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:47.480 One of the one of the big things that people 1168 01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:54.199 are digging at right now is trade like intellectual property 1169 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:58.360 filings for whatever it is. Yeah, and they're looking overseas 1170 01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:00.920 like over in the US, over in you know, New Zealand, 1171 01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:05.480 every you know, every sovereignty they can find. So it's 1172 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.639 pretty interesting. There's a lot of avenues to explore. 1173 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:11.000 Made in your mind. Are you on the same wavelength 1174 01:02:11.039 --> 01:02:16.519 as me? I am beyond one thousand convinced that this 1175 01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:19.239 is just a project name and has nothing to do 1176 01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:22.280 with anything. We'll actually he gets set out loud on 1177 01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:24.239 a stage at pliz Con. Would you agree with that 1178 01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:25.199 or not necessarily? 1179 01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:28.119 Yeah, I don't think they actually announced it as like 1180 01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:32.920 World of Warcraft Camelot. I think that's probably unlikely. Yeah, 1181 01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.840 in my head, it's probably a code name. The one 1182 01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:38.480 thing that kind of I'm constantly thinking about whenever I 1183 01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.559 think of this idea of like, you know, Camelot as 1184 01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:44.920 a as a concept is like the World of Warcraft. 1185 01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:49.639 Wiki actually says that Arthur's is like the reverse king Arthur, right, 1186 01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:52.440 And that's a really interesting thing to think about. Again, 1187 01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:54.480 I can go full to hat to volhat and start 1188 01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:56.559 talking about, you know, what that might mean and what 1189 01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.320 they might do and all these different things. But you know, 1190 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:01.039 in my had it would be really cool if we 1191 01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:03.920 log into the game and there's there's still the Kingdom 1192 01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.639 of lord a on up. There'd be interesting. 1193 01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:07.519 That's where I was going to go with this. I'm 1194 01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:10.800 so glad you raised it so like we do. We 1195 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.760 we now get to be nerds and this is the 1196 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:19.199 fun part because we get to talk about law, gameplay, speculation, 1197 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.639 about what these guys have had a couple, you know, 1198 01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.159 two to three years now to cook this thing up. 1199 01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:29.800 If I were a grand and Tim and the whole 1200 01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:33.719 crew and just had you know, virtually cute Blanche to 1201 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:39.119 cook up the next you know, classic timeline, you know, 1202 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:41.519 like we said, maybe it's got expansions and what not 1203 01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:45.599 involved what would we do? And the concept of the 1204 01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:49.960 alternate timeline has been discussed a fair bit. I mean, 1205 01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:53.679 even the devs I think have have in the past 1206 01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:57.639 when talking about SOD made mention of things like, you know, 1207 01:03:58.039 --> 01:03:59.639 what do we do with the game? Do we do 1208 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.119 it like was an alternate timeline? Or do we do 1209 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:05.079 you know, the continuation of the law that we know? 1210 01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:07.159 Blah blah blah. Who knows. It's a difficult thing to 1211 01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:10.119 juggle with, you know, And they've I'm pretty sure I've 1212 01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:12.599 seen in interviews they've said that they've in the past 1213 01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.320 they've been hesitant to mess with the law because they 1214 01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:18.079 don't really want to split off and make law nerds 1215 01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:22.119 confused or whatnot. But I don't know. Now I'm kind 1216 01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:25.079 of like thinking that they might just go hogwild and 1217 01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:30.239 literally just go here is your alternate timeline where Arthur's 1218 01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:34.079 never became the lich King, he did turn into the 1219 01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:34.639 good King. 1220 01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:35.079 Arthur. 1221 01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:41.239 Oh well, I don't think you could do that, Okay, Yeah, No, 1222 01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:43.400 I mean, I mean you could do whatever you want. 1223 01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:45.800 Whether it's popular or not is another question. Tell me DC. 1224 01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:48.440 Oh. 1225 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:51.320 Well, in regards to the name Camelot, I just feel that, 1226 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:53.800 like Wow is kind of their foundational game, and the 1227 01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:58.039 legend of Camelot is kind of like the to like 1228 01:04:58.159 --> 01:04:59.800 a lot of cultures is kind of like that found 1229 01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:03.119 d kind of start of history, if you will. So 1230 01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:05.679 I can see that just being like a clever kind 1231 01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:08.880 of naming convention. I don't think you could do, you know, 1232 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:10.480 I think that one thing that we know about the 1233 01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:15.679 Classic community is that we're very rigid and embedded in 1234 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.920 a lot of what is and don't like things changing. 1235 01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:22.840 You know, the who could forget that We're the community 1236 01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:26.880 that branded the whole like no changes mentality that did 1237 01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:29.840 backfire in a lot of aspects of the game, but 1238 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.519 was you know, important in other aspects. So I wouldn't 1239 01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.559 I mean, I could see you doing something like we 1240 01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:40.559 have confrontations with the Lych King at level sixty, like 1241 01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:43.440 there is like a proper invasion from North End that 1242 01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:47.159 we beat back without beating Arthus. You could do stuff 1243 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:48.840 like that, but I don't think you could do something 1244 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:51.440 as monumental as making it so that Arthurs doesn't become 1245 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:54.400 the lych King, like literally the lych King, and Arthurs 1246 01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:56.559 is like all of World of Warcraft. 1247 01:05:56.599 --> 01:05:58.119 It's kind of the bedrock of the whole. 1248 01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:01.400 Everything's interested in it because because we all got drug 1249 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:04.880 in with Frozen Throne and how epic and monumental that 1250 01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:07.079 game was to a lot of our like formal years 1251 01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:09.440 and then and then bridging us into World of Warcraft. 1252 01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:10.880 So I don't think you could touch anything like that. 1253 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:12.599 That's like a sacred count unter of fair enough and 1254 01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:15.679 vestige is raising the same point, like Warcraft three is 1255 01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:17.800 something that is kind of the bedrock of the wild 1256 01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:20.000 plot line. We don't mess with that, and I accept 1257 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:22.679 that that's fine. But you know, no bad ideas in 1258 01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:24.960 a brainstorm, guys, except for that one that I just 1259 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:26.960 threw out. But no, how about this. Let's it's it's 1260 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.480 we're riffing, baby, we're playing jazz Let's extrapol eight. So 1261 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:32.920 let's all wield that one back and throw this one 1262 01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:35.440 at your DC. All right, Let's let's not go as 1263 01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:38.360 far as saying he that the lych King thing never happens. 1264 01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:41.840 How about this what about an alternate timeline where the 1265 01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:44.800 whole of Warcraft three plays out and he becomes lych King, 1266 01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:50.840 but then we somehow still save him and redeem him, 1267 01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:53.840 and the lich King becomes someone else, but we get 1268 01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:54.639 Arthurs back. 1269 01:06:57.800 --> 01:06:59.400 Well, here's the thing is that I don't really think 1270 01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:01.960 you need to do alternate timeline stuff. I think you 1271 01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:06.719 can just it like bloat out the time between us 1272 01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:10.760 going to TBC canonically and like the original iterations of 1273 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:13.199 the game, like just kind of how like you know, 1274 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:15.239 currently in Star Wars they're just like. 1275 01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:17.960 Oh, by the way, there was this Mandalorian. 1276 01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:19.599 Show and this Ahsoka show and like all this stuff 1277 01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:22.360 that happened in between like the two trilogies. You know, 1278 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:25.280 you could just have that be like an undefined amount 1279 01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:27.679 of time. And that's why I was saying, like you 1280 01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:30.159 could keep us at level sixty, but then have North 1281 01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:34.480 End like invade Azarath or not as AZ's the fucking planet, 1282 01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:36.719 but like have norther End like invade the Northern kingdoms 1283 01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:39.199 and like Kalimdor, and that way we get exposure to 1284 01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:41.800 things from like Wrath the lich King or you know, 1285 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:44.239 Burning Crusade, if you want to do that somehow but 1286 01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:46.480 you keep us in the level sixty bracket and you 1287 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:51.239 keep us on the two main continents or whatever. 1288 01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:51.679 I mean. 1289 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:53.719 You could even I guess you could do something like 1290 01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:56.119 opening up like the beachfront in Northern End, because there 1291 01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:58.679 are a couple like there are a couple like Frozen 1292 01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:02.079 Throne missions where you kind of go to the beach 1293 01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:04.480 of Northern End and you explore with like artists and stuff. 1294 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:06.159 So you could do some things like that where you're 1295 01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:10.039 not pushing into like iccy and really like destabilizing the lore. 1296 01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:12.400 You know, I would be okay with something like that 1297 01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:15.119 where you are kind of bending the brackets and not 1298 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:18.039 snapping them in half fair enough. But yeah, I don't 1299 01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:20.279 think you need to do alternate timeline stuff. You just 1300 01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:24.560 you just elongate the period that in which Classic kind 1301 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:25.159 of exists. 1302 01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:27.600 So you're saying the opening scene of Classic Plus should 1303 01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.119 be somehow Palpatine returned. 1304 01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.079 No, that's no, No, then you're going to the next trilogy. 1305 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:34.960 So like that's what you want to avoid. 1306 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:37.119 All right. Hey, if you want to stay in. 1307 01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:39.199 Between Return of the Jedi and Force Awakens, you want 1308 01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:40.800 to stay in that pocket. 1309 01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:42.800 Fair enough at to Blasta before you have to run 1310 01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:45.319 off to write, I've got a milky for all your worse. Now. Look, 1311 01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:48.439 someone just mentioned Daisy Graine just mentioned we do need 1312 01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:50.840 to dive into this. On top of all of that, 1313 01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:55.600 another thing came to light, which was the quote unquote 1314 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:59.119 laked timeline, right, tell us more about this bad way. 1315 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:04.279 So again, I don't know for sure that there is 1316 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:09.680 a roadmap, a product map. I should say that basically 1317 01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:13.159 shows like a bunch of different things, like your current 1318 01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:18.720 timelines for TBC and then Wrath Anniversary. But what's interesting 1319 01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:21.720 is that there is also a camelot to mention on 1320 01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:25.439 it that is slated for Q three of this year. 1321 01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:28.800 Yeah, right where all Josh said it would launch, but sorry, 1322 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:29.800 game exactly. 1323 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:32.640 So what it would mean is like, you know, basically 1324 01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:34.760 a two to three week lead after blizz Coln because 1325 01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:38.159 Q three ends September thirty, so after that you're in 1326 01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:42.560 Q four. They might have pushed it. The current people 1327 01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:45.439 are saying that this roadmap came from twenty twenty five. 1328 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.239 I don't know for sure if that's true. That's just 1329 01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:51.000 what's being said. But if the if the the roadmap 1330 01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.079 predates the leaks, then I mean it's pretty credible. 1331 01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:58.159 Yeah, I definitely saw comments that some people were grumbling 1332 01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:03.239 that was an old screenshot. 1333 01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:05.520 Which you know, if that's true, then it's pretty much confirmed. 1334 01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:06.920 But then I'm kind of like, if it was an 1335 01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:10.239 old screenshot, we would have talked about it on the 1336 01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:11.359 freaking show, like. 1337 01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:15.479 What maybe right? But I mean, if you if you 1338 01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:17.439 dropped this idea, if they're being like a World of 1339 01:10:17.439 --> 01:10:20.560 Warcraft camelot and no real heart supporting evidence in the 1340 01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:26.760 middle of twenty twenty five, who would listen my listeners? 1341 01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:31.000 What that makes you speculate is like if they if 1342 01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:33.119 they were well, because I guess so. Here's the things 1343 01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:35.039 that immediately came to mind is that there was that 1344 01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:37.880 video like not too long ago where like Holly Longdale 1345 01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.479 is like starting to say something and then she gets interrupted, right, 1346 01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:42.039 and it's like, oh my god, we want to say 1347 01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:44.239 this thing but we can't. And you don't normally say 1348 01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:47.920 things or even drop hints unless it's close. And if 1349 01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.960 the blizz Con is like mid September, they could easily 1350 01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:52.760 do a thing where they you know, launch it like 1351 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:54.600 two weeks later. They did that with sod where it 1352 01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:56.600 was like, hey, we announced sad and then like you 1353 01:10:56.640 --> 01:10:58.960 can go play it. Tomorrow or whatever, so it would 1354 01:10:59.039 --> 01:11:01.159 kind of be in line with like the cadence of 1355 01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:05.640 how they've been doing their announcements and releases. The question 1356 01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:07.680 that came up into my mind based on that, though, 1357 01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:10.960 is how much then do you think of the SOD 1358 01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:15.319 DNA is in Amelot, Because that's a pretty quick turnaround 1359 01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:19.199 considering that SOD was a little bit more than a 1360 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:19.800 year ago. 1361 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:24.079 Oh, I expect, I fully expect the positive sides of 1362 01:11:24.159 --> 01:11:26.479 SOD to like, I don't expect it to be a 1363 01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:29.960 replicant of SOD, but like they SOD was a test 1364 01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:34.239 realm for a reason like that going rooms for example. 1365 01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:36.760 I mean, I don't want to go as far as 1366 01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:40.359 saying necessarily the niche of what's going to be in there, 1367 01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:44.239 but I'll generically say, if it worked in SOD and 1368 01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:47.199 people mostly liked it, you're probably gonna see it in 1369 01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.800 Classic Plus. Like my biggest example, even though I said 1370 01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:52.840 I wouldn't get specific, but my biggest example is just 1371 01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:56.159 the classes going like, oh, look we've got new tanks 1372 01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:59.960 and new healers and stuff like that, Like people, well, 1373 01:12:00.039 --> 01:12:03.680 oh really really liked that. People really liked that, So 1374 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:07.359 they're that's like, in my mind, one hundred percent going 1375 01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:08.600 to be in Classic Class. 1376 01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:12.359 Yeah, I think. I think if you're expecting to log 1377 01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:14.920 into Classic Plus and press frost Bolt for three hundred hours, 1378 01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:15.880 you might be disappointed. 1379 01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:20.520 But you know, without getting too much into what's going 1380 01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:25.720 to be in there, just you know this whole uh 1381 01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:34.520 sorry on the timeline thing. I the program, I'm not 1382 01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:37.199 like a big on this, but the program they used 1383 01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:40.920 a blaster. I saw one comment about like, what what 1384 01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:43.279 was it? It was not copilot or. 1385 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:47.479 I'm not sure exactly what it was built. 1386 01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:50.720 Okay. I saw a comment that was like I believe 1387 01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:53.760 this because of course Blizzard would use co pilot or 1388 01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:56.760 something like that. Whatever the shitty program was that someone 1389 01:12:56.760 --> 01:13:01.800 didn't like. But anyway, it was a you know, not 1390 01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:04.600 the clearest of screenshots, but it was a thing. And like, 1391 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:09.960 to me, again, like this looks like it looked more 1392 01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:14.800 than plausible enough. It looked to me professional enough, Like 1393 01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:20.000 people who do fake leaks are normally not really on 1394 01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:23.439 the up and up, and the leagues are pretty substandard 1395 01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:27.520 when you're trying to create like a fake workslate like this, 1396 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:30.399 this one seemed legit to me. What do you think. 1397 01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:36.479 Personally? I think that it's probably more likely to be 1398 01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:39.680 real than not. Even if the timeline, like even if 1399 01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:43.640 it came or was originally exposed after the Camelot leak, 1400 01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:47.239 somebody may have just found it never posted it because like, oh, 1401 01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:49.159 this just looks like a bunch of rubbish. But uh, 1402 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:53.640 I think the general like, I mean, the formatting of 1403 01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:55.720 it looks like I say, it looks pretty professional. I 1404 01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.239 think you're right in suggesting, like somebody who's going to 1405 01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:00.159 create a leak, I mean these days, they're probably just 1406 01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:01.840 going to fire up an EI and have it generate 1407 01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:05.000 some image, yeah when it spit out something like that. 1408 01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:09.439 But the other thing too, is like all of the 1409 01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:13.199 other moving parts that surround this, this canalot drop in 1410 01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:17.159 Q three are correct, So you know, if they if 1411 01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:20.960 somebody did fake it, they've clearly done their homework. And 1412 01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:23.560 that's also something that's interesting, Like the information is all 1413 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:27.239 accurate as far as we can see for things that 1414 01:14:27.279 --> 01:14:28.359 we know that are confirmed. 1415 01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:31.279 Well, we come back to my reference to self Lake 1416 01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:34.279 season to blast and you know, I am you know 1417 01:14:34.359 --> 01:14:37.720 where all you are living under a rock at this stage. 1418 01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:40.680 There are way too many instances over the years, guys 1419 01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:45.680 of Blizzard. You know stealthily getting their own information out 1420 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:49.239 there and like going the oh did I drop that? Whoopsie? 1421 01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:52.159 You know, and things being bled out there that that 1422 01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:56.199 you know, hint towards like TBC Classic coming out or 1423 01:14:56.199 --> 01:14:59.840 Wrath Classic coming out or whatever it might be. You know, 1424 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:05.119 this screenshot coming out, I mean it's come from someone 1425 01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:08.359 in the office. It's like this isn't just like this 1426 01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:10.800 hasn't been stolen, you know what I mean? Like this 1427 01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:15.239 this to me screams, Okay, this is Blizzard starting to 1428 01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:18.720 do the Blizzard thing. The old self lake season has started. 1429 01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:20.640 Do you get the same impression to blast on? 1430 01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:24.199 Yeah? I think so. It's you know, that's stealth marketing. 1431 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.479 It's a real thing, and yeah, plenty of people will 1432 01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:30.479 do it, especially in like the gaming community, posting cryptic 1433 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:35.720 messages or you know, releasing things or even just exposing 1434 01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:38.279 things that can be data. Mind. It's like they just 1435 01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:40.680 know for a fact that you know, if people like 1436 01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:42.560 me that are like nerdy enough to get a hold 1437 01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:44.520 of it, we'll just post it on some form and 1438 01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:47.560 everyone will take it and run hogwild with it. And 1439 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:50.239 that's free advertisement for them. It proal frates itself. They 1440 01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:52.159 don't have to pay for it, and we just get 1441 01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:54.159 to sit here on the Countdown podcast and talk about 1442 01:15:54.199 --> 01:15:56.960 it for an hour exactly. You know, this is all 1443 01:15:57.000 --> 01:15:59.079 free ad revenue for them. They don't have to do anything. 1444 01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:01.119 We're just here, you know them. 1445 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:04.479 That's the thing. They know that this is all part 1446 01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:06.600 of the plan, you know what I mean. They know 1447 01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:11.119 content creators will run this like they dropped that that 1448 01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:15.439 timetable going. Of course, fucking Josh is going to talk 1449 01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:18.680 about this for three hours. Of course, you know Zau's 1450 01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:24.279 going to stream about it like this is all like premeditated. 1451 01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:25.800 When you keep your computer Earlier, I said that the 1452 01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:28.279 timing was perfect. If you think that Blazicon's going to 1453 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:31.000 happen mid September, then we're like exactly three months out, 1454 01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:33.000 and this would be the time that you'd want the 1455 01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:36.479 rumors to be swirling and generating all the hype they've 1456 01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:37.920 I think it makes a lot of sense. 1457 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:40.079 They've normally done it a little bit closer. 1458 01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:42.760 Drop on Monday is like the day that they're in 1459 01:16:42.800 --> 01:16:43.800 the office. 1460 01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:48.439 Right, they normally do it. I think traditionally it's been 1461 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:51.279 like about two to three weeks out from Bliscon where 1462 01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:53.119 they do the old woop see did I drop that? 1463 01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:55.359 So this is a little bit early, but if it's 1464 01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:59.199 a bigger project, maybe you go a big guiti line. 1465 01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:01.960 I feel like the two to three week leaks are 1466 01:17:02.039 --> 01:17:07.359 usually way more substantstantial. They usually like have the specific 1467 01:17:07.479 --> 01:17:10.119 like expansion name and stuff, and like there's usually like 1468 01:17:10.159 --> 01:17:12.239 a big list of like what the new race is 1469 01:17:12.279 --> 01:17:13.880 going to be and stuff like that. So for this 1470 01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:17.199 to be like a build or something like that, that's 1471 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:21.039 got to be like data. Mind, the the style of 1472 01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:22.920 the leak makes sense for like how far we are 1473 01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:25.039 out as well, if it's intentional, that's what I mean. 1474 01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:26.840 It's like it's such a bread cruss. 1475 01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:29.039 It's it's a bread crumb, right, but it's like a very, 1476 01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:32.000 it's a very, like it's got a strong scent on it, 1477 01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:33.239 kind of a bread cross. 1478 01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:33.720 Tasty bread crust. 1479 01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:36.520 Yeah, we we can. We can speculate about some things 1480 01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:38.880 that are are logically the most likely, but we don't 1481 01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:42.159 really know anything. That's the key thing to remember is 1482 01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:45.840 like this is this is all still speculation, but it does. 1483 01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:49.920 It's it's another plot on the graft pointing at a thing. Right, Yeah, 1484 01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:52.720 it's the old the you know, it's. 1485 01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:54.600 The old and Murphy joke of like, you know, you 1486 01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:58.199 give his starving man a crack off and he's like, God, damn, 1487 01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:00.520 is this cracker I've ever had? What was that? A soul? Like, 1488 01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:04.319 Oh my god, it's so tasty. And that's what we're 1489 01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:07.199 like with information for classic flawers. So it's all good. 1490 01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:11.279 Look guys at de Blaster, you've been amazing on this, mate. 1491 01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:12.960 Is there anything we've left off the table that we 1492 01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:13.680 should discuss? 1493 01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:17.239 I don't think so. But if I find anything else, Josh, 1494 01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:18.920 I'll just fire it over to you or post it 1495 01:18:18.920 --> 01:18:19.159 in that. 1496 01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:25.760 Absolutely, mate, I was. I was captivated. I really am 1497 01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:28.640 not blowing smoke up your ass. That was one of 1498 01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:31.039 the more interesting hours of countdown. I was on the 1499 01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:34.439 edge of my seat. Thank you for that, guys. Look, 1500 01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:37.600 given all that alter antig Sorry mate, what was that? 1501 01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:39.600 What if? 1502 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:44.800 Camelot isn't a name supposed to denote what's happening, but 1503 01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:48.119 it's supposed to denote when it's happening, and we are 1504 01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:52.239 all expected wrath Rath is after the leech king? Who 1505 01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:58.840 is artist king Arthur arthurs Camelot timeline like we're expecting 1506 01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:00.960 an avanba drop. Why would they be dropping it if 1507 01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:03.680 they're having twenty twenty seven. What if it's a nickname, 1508 01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:07.039 and so we don't get Wrath Classic, we get Classic Plus. 1509 01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:10.680 Wrath Classic never happens, and it's because that's when people 1510 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:13.640 are expecting Wrath Classic to kind of happen, based on 1511 01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:15.119 how long we're seeing in the current phase. 1512 01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:19.159 Well, interestingly, on that note, because everyone is trying to 1513 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.199 sort of win the game of will they won't they 1514 01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:24.840 do both? I believe to Blasto will correct me if 1515 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:29.239 I'm wrong. Wrath Anniversary was on the timeline as dropping 1516 01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:33.199 about three four months after Camelot, Isn't that right? 1517 01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:35.520 Yeah? It was on I think it was for Q 1518 01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:37.880 one of twenty seven yea, which would make sense, right 1519 01:19:37.960 --> 01:19:40.000 because it's like, you know, maybe everybody gets their fill 1520 01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:42.640 of three four months to Classic Plus and then it's like, 1521 01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:45.560 you know, you start to lull. I don't know if 1522 01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:48.720 they'll have some kind of new endgame, horizontal whatever, whatever, 1523 01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:50.760 we're really not talking about that. I'm sure we could 1524 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:53.600 go for another five hours on it, but you know, 1525 01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:56.000 assuming that it's the same and people are raid logging 1526 01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:58.840 Classic Plus, we'll just leave it at that assumption. Then, 1527 01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:01.119 you know, as it lolls it's like, you know, maybe 1528 01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:04.119 maybe it'll be fun to play Rath for a few months. Yeah, 1529 01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:06.600 and you work on more content, not. 1530 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:10.279 To not to filate myself on screen too much. But 1531 01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:13.600 you know, again exactly as I said on the last podcast. 1532 01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:18.079 But anyway, Anti, what do you think of that? Does 1533 01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:20.479 that make sense to you? Drop a cheeky wrath and I. 1534 01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:22.800 Think I think that kind of makes sense. Yeah, yeah, 1535 01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:25.039 I just think that the whole Camelot thing, they always 1536 01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:28.159 name things like everything is named for a reason. Yeah, 1537 01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:30.039 and it seems like, you know, it's got something to 1538 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:31.279 do with it, and you hate to say it, but 1539 01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:34.039 King Arthur, King Arthur's they do have a similar kind 1540 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:37.039 of name. Could kind of go well, that does link 1541 01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:38.279 all together pretty hard. 1542 01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:42.640 Yeah, everyone's on the Arthur's train. Sorry, sorry to Blast. 1543 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:44.439 They both have a mentor named UTHERU. 1544 01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:47.439 Yeah, there you go, Everyone's on the Arthur's train. I 1545 01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:49.840 think that's a fun little thing. How about you other 1546 01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:53.279 guys that we haven't heard from as much anything else 1547 01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:57.439 on this Camelot thing? Does it? Does Camelot get your 1548 01:20:57.479 --> 01:20:58.159 brain yacked? 1549 01:20:58.239 --> 01:20:58.279 Is? 1550 01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:01.479 Does the code name Camelot but make you think we're 1551 01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:04.760 getting a certain product or story or timeline or not 1552 01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:06.199 you haven't gone there yet. 1553 01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:08.159 Haven't gone there yet? 1554 01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:11.119 Okay, fair enough sci fi? What about you? 1555 01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:17.000 I'm just looking at the timeline. It says Camelot season 1556 01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:19.479 two on there as well? Does it? What do we 1557 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:19.960 make of that? 1558 01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:23.880 Was that on there? To blast Us season two? I 1559 01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:24.680 don't remember seeing that. 1560 01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:27.279 Let me have a look. I don't have it burnt 1561 01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:29.079 into my brain quite yet. 1562 01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:32.479 Wouldn't it just be the next phase of the you know, 1563 01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:36.239 it's like multicorps blacking layer or different seasons technically or 1564 01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:37.199 phases or whatever. 1565 01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:39.720 Not If it says season two at launch. 1566 01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:41.960 Where are you seeing season two? 1567 01:21:43.319 --> 01:21:45.439 Maybe I'm looking at a different one. It's the back 1568 01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:46.600 end of twenty eight? 1569 01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:48.520 Oh there you go? Are you drunk? 1570 01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:51.079 Me? 1571 01:21:51.399 --> 01:21:57.920 Yeah, only mildly so, at the back end of twenty 1572 01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:00.119 eight on that timeline and saying Camelot season two? 1573 01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:00.600 Is it. 1574 01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:04.720 On the one I'm looking at? Yeah? 1575 01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:08.479 Okay, where we posted? Just in the general chat, I'll 1576 01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:10.840 just post a quick image for reference there. I don't 1577 01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:11.520 see it on there. 1578 01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:14.319 Let's have a look here we go to blaster is 1579 01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:19.880 just yeah, this is the one I've seen. Blah, Yeah, 1580 01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:21.920 where are you seeing? Season two? You is this the 1581 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:23.960 one that you're drawing up yourself in pain. 1582 01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:31.760 Now I'm looking at it on YouTube, Cago Cago Gaming. 1583 01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:34.720 Yeah, you go for it. 1584 01:22:34.800 --> 01:22:39.079 Maybe you got Can I steal the blaster for the raid? 1585 01:22:39.159 --> 01:22:39.319 Yes? 1586 01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:41.600 Absolutely, I am done. I am done with him. Now 1587 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:44.079 to blaster. Please go to your raid. Have a good time, mate, 1588 01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:44.840 Thank you so much. 1589 01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:46.920 Yeah in the worries, let me know if you want 1590 01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:49.159 to talk some more. Happy to thy craft whatever? 1591 01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:52.560 Too easy? Thanks mane Sorry Stan, Oh, you're good, You're good, 1592 01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:55.399 all right. We don't want to We don't want to 1593 01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:58.199 muck around with the old countdown raid. Speaking of raids, 1594 01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.840 Antie and Yak, can you give us an update on 1595 01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:04.800 all the asses you're kicking in names that you're taking 1596 01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:06.720 in the Saturday rad group. What's going on? What's the 1597 01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:07.479 latest update? 1598 01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:14.079 For the first time, Saturday I Raid did both SEC 1599 01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:16.439 and TK in three and a half hours last week. 1600 01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:17.039 Nice. 1601 01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:19.319 Everyone was happy one day and everything. 1602 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:20.600 Yeah, we h. 1603 01:23:22.119 --> 01:23:24.439 This was the first time Saturday is done like TK 1604 01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:27.479 as a group, we were running with Stan on Sundays, 1605 01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:30.600 but now that we're doing it in one night, it 1606 01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:33.680 was pretty great. We had two wipes. We wiped on 1607 01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:39.479 like trash immediately in TK and once on KT and 1608 01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:44.279 that was it. It's super super clean, a lot of fun. 1609 01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:45.600 Anti even happy. 1610 01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:50.039 Oh yeah, having a great time. Yeah no, it just 1611 01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:52.680 went so smoothed last week. And the teams will work 1612 01:23:52.720 --> 01:23:55.479 really well together. Just you know, it's like sweaty under 1613 01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:58.640 the collar, which is exactly how you kind of set 1614 01:23:58.640 --> 01:23:59.199 it up today. 1615 01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:07.239 There's an unspoken agreement of of of sweatiness, is there? 1616 01:24:10.800 --> 01:24:12.359 How then you guys fitting in YAG. 1617 01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:16.119 Really really well. I mean we did a lot of. 1618 01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:18.720 Quite a bit of. 1619 01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:22.680 Trialing with them before inviting them to guild. We would 1620 01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:25.520 do heroics or even just kind of like inviting them 1621 01:24:25.600 --> 01:24:29.159 to a Phase one rage just to see if the 1622 01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:34.119 vibes would be right. But everybody's fitting pretty pretty well. 1623 01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:38.239 There's no h no loot goblins. Everybody's just kind of 1624 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:39.279 fitting in seamlessly. 1625 01:24:41.439 --> 01:24:44.239 That's awesome to hear. Thanks for posting that. Sci Fi. 1626 01:24:44.439 --> 01:24:48.079 I'm just I've I've not seen this screenshot that you've 1627 01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:54.439 just posted. This is really weird because like, I don't know, 1628 01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:58.760 are they have Classic and Camelot on Yeah, now it's 1629 01:24:58.760 --> 01:25:03.279 called Camelot and Class six plus under like the Classic launchers, 1630 01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:04.119 but like. 1631 01:25:04.279 --> 01:25:07.000 Also on the far left, it says Era slash Camelot. 1632 01:25:07.439 --> 01:25:10.600 Yeah I can I no, no, no, So it says 1633 01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:16.039 Aero slash Camelot on the first one as well, Yeah, wish. 1634 01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:18.960 The weird part is the first screenshot, the one that 1635 01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:24.439 everyone's been relying on, only has Camelot on the timeline 1636 01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:29.319 going through to twenty thirty right. The second screenshot that 1637 01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:32.560 you've just sent through has heaps of stuff on that timeline. 1638 01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:37.039 It's got Camelot Classic plus, Camelot Season two Classic plus expansion. 1639 01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:38.119 Is. 1640 01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:42.439 My only thought is I don't know if this is 1641 01:25:42.479 --> 01:25:44.960 the case, but because I've over the last week, I've 1642 01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:49.319 not seen this screenshot. Has someone taken the ball and 1643 01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:52.720 run with it and created a fake screenshot out of 1644 01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:55.840 the first potential fake slash real screenshot? I don't know. 1645 01:25:57.399 --> 01:25:59.640 I wouldn't be the first time I've fallen victim to 1646 01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:02.640 some I'm trying to information. 1647 01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:03.960 Yeah, do you know what I mean? 1648 01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:04.159 Though? 1649 01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:07.640 Because that is there is a stark difference between the two. 1650 01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:11.640 The second that was very confusing. 1651 01:26:13.359 --> 01:26:16.079 Yeah, this is literally the first time I've ever seen 1652 01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:18.560 this screenshot that you've just sent through. So I'm just 1653 01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:22.079 sort of reacting in the moment. My gut is saying 1654 01:26:22.760 --> 01:26:25.800 some joker is trying to fill in the gaps and 1655 01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:26.920 create their own story. 1656 01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:30.039 Yeah, that makes sense. 1657 01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:32.439 Well, based on the first screen shot. And this is 1658 01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:34.279 the first time I've ever seen this, so I didn't 1659 01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:36.239 bring it up or nobody else brought it up earlier. 1660 01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:41.840 But seeing Camelot and Era on the same kind of line, 1661 01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:43.520 there's a little sus. 1662 01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:47.159 Yes, now I think someone's tried to again. 1663 01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:48.680 You know, But I mean that's in the first screenshot 1664 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:54.479 that blastomlynked as well. Yeah, in the box that says 1665 01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:57.960 it says Classic slash Camelot, it's at the bottom it 1666 01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:00.319 says Era slash Camelot is the line, and then you 1667 01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:01.920 know there's the Camelot dot on it. 1668 01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:03.199 But that makes sense. 1669 01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:06.119 That would you think then maybe maybe Camelot is more 1670 01:27:06.119 --> 01:27:08.039 of like an Era type project than. 1671 01:27:09.720 --> 01:27:13.600 That makes sense. That makes sense to me because it's 1672 01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:16.680 not on the main timeline. So they've got the one 1673 01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:19.880 line on top in the classic section. They've got the 1674 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:25.199 top timeline called Progression Brackets Expansions, which is the classic 1675 01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:31.000 timeline that they're on. The anniversaries, the mops, the whatever's right, 1676 01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:37.640 and then they're creating a new separate timeline with you know, 1677 01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:41.760 a new Classic plus story. So that makes sense to me. 1678 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:44.720 I don't think, oh, that's an ERA thing. I think 1679 01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:48.039 that's Classic plus that. But that's just me, right, that 1680 01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:50.399 makes sense, Okay. 1681 01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:53.239 I would say that there's more doubt now, okay from 1682 01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:56.840 my perspective, because you know, like Era, would it beyond 1683 01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:59.760 the progression expansions because Era is like this kind of 1684 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:02.600 thing right where you can like drop characters that are 1685 01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:06.000 in the top line into it. It kind of exists, 1686 01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:08.760 and it's like own unique because it was like the 1687 01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:11.640 first time that they booted up Classic and then everything 1688 01:28:11.720 --> 01:28:17.119 else is like this like offshoot fresh. So that would 1689 01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:19.119 make me think that like maybe now Camelot could be 1690 01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:21.159 some kind of thing that they're doing with Era. Maybe 1691 01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:23.239 they're trying to do like what you said, like legitimize 1692 01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:25.239 it a little bit more by making it you know, 1693 01:28:25.319 --> 01:28:27.319 I don't know, but I would say, you know, I 1694 01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:29.960 it just shows a little bit of doubt. The second 1695 01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.760 one is a blatant especially as the residence Classic Plus. 1696 01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:35.680 The second one is a blatant fake, like this is 1697 01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:37.319 no I'm not looking at the second one. 1698 01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:39.640 No, no, no, I get that. Sorry, I'm just adding 1699 01:28:39.680 --> 01:28:41.239 on now that. I look more at the second one, 1700 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:43.000 like this is such a weird thing to say, but 1701 01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:46.000 like the vertical lines are in different positions and everything, 1702 01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.640 like this is some fuck we're trying to extrap light. 1703 01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:51.760 On the The text is also pretty weird looking, which 1704 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:53.800 makes me think that it was like AI and and 1705 01:28:54.079 --> 01:28:55.399 maybe they had to like adjust it. 1706 01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:57.279 And remember AI is like really bad. 1707 01:28:57.159 --> 01:28:57.720 At doing text. 1708 01:28:57.920 --> 01:29:00.479 Remember how we said I said at the start, Wow, 1709 01:29:00.680 --> 01:29:04.880 fans tend to do bad fakes. This is this is 1710 01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:05.760 the bad fake. 1711 01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:11.960 Yeah, we got here them in chat saying confirmed AI reload. 1712 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:16.199 Oh sorry, someone in the Classic Plus debunk I can't 1713 01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:21.439 remember who what I would doubt someone from Blizzard has 1714 01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:23.880 come out and said that's not that's fake, but I 1715 01:29:23.960 --> 01:29:27.680 mean whatever, anyway, it just looks and smells fake. It's bullshit. 1716 01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:31.399 But the first one I'm still on board as being 1717 01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:32.880 likely real. 1718 01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:34.279 Which something they got leaked? 1719 01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:41.439 Yeah something well yeah, quote unquote leaked. All right, very good, guys. 1720 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:46.159 Let me think what more can we really say on 1721 01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:48.279 the topic. I mean, is there anything else Classic Plus 1722 01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:50.760 related that you guys have been chatting up at DC. 1723 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:53.560 I'm not sure if you've been keeping up with the 1724 01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:56.880 countdown discord chat on Classic Plus over the last month 1725 01:29:57.000 --> 01:29:59.159 or so. But the guys have just absolutely been going 1726 01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:01.640 off the every day or wake up with a boatload 1727 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:04.199 of new chat of all the guys speculating on what 1728 01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:06.840 could and could not be in the next iteration of 1729 01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:09.920 Classic Have you pump me? 1730 01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:12.119 I check it every now and then, but not not 1731 01:30:12.279 --> 01:30:13.000 super frequently. 1732 01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:17.079 Have your thoughts developed a lot over the last month 1733 01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:21.319 or two as to what this thing could be? Uh? 1734 01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:24.760 Well, this is kind of the first that anything has 1735 01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:27.000 like really been on my radar. You know, I just 1736 01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:31.279 have like a deeply, deeply low trust value of Blizzard. 1737 01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:34.640 So even all the debating and stuff that they've been 1738 01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:37.840 doing over the past couple of months, you know, I'm 1739 01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:40.319 still in disp I'd rather just be like, you know, 1740 01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:43.039 if it drops and it's real, then okay, cool, I'm 1741 01:30:43.039 --> 01:30:45.960 a believer. But until then, you know, I just have 1742 01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:50.039 this you know, hesitancy to believe any of the stuff. 1743 01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:50.119 That they do. 1744 01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:54.239 And so I would say that this is a you 1745 01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:56.960 know again, and I was I was seeding the benefit 1746 01:30:57.000 --> 01:30:59.159 of the doubt earlier to blast it. When I was 1747 01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:01.199 saying that the time of it and the amount of 1748 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:05.239 information and the type of leak that it is, you know, 1749 01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:08.600 within almost exactly three months of Blue Condumn. Like this seems, 1750 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:12.520 you know, the opposite of fishy. You know, it seems 1751 01:31:12.600 --> 01:31:16.640 very deliberate, as if they are kind of priming the community, 1752 01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:20.760 which would be smart. So, you know, I'm definitely more 1753 01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:23.520 in the camp of like it seems like they've they 1754 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:25.680 are going to release something that they've been cooking and 1755 01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:28.720 it could be Classic related, and if they were smart, 1756 01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:30.920 it would be Classic Plus. I don't know how much 1757 01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:33.239 longer they could draw out the Classic Plus hype at 1758 01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:33.680 this point. 1759 01:31:34.119 --> 01:31:36.359 I just as far as like what it could be, 1760 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:36.920 I don't know. 1761 01:31:37.119 --> 01:31:39.079 You know, I still kind of believe that they shot 1762 01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:42.399 themselves in the foot with SOD by doing like a 1763 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:45.159 half assed version of Classic Plus, because I feel like, 1764 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:48.720 now whatever product that they come out with, it will 1765 01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:52.560 it can only be unfavorably compared to SOD based on 1766 01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:55.600 what it has or doesn't have, or you know, because 1767 01:31:55.640 --> 01:31:58.199 like SOD to me was like a great version of 1768 01:31:58.239 --> 01:31:59.880 Classic Plus. You know, I could ride off into this 1769 01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:02.920 on set with my Wow career and you know, having 1770 01:32:03.039 --> 01:32:04.560 ended on SOD and be pretty happy. 1771 01:32:05.199 --> 01:32:08.039 But there are also people on that, so you're saying, 1772 01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:11.119 had they just come out and called Sawed Classic plus 1773 01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:14.560 and done that for two years, you would have been like, 1774 01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:16.680 well they did it classic plus. I loved it. We're 1775 01:32:16.760 --> 01:32:18.279 done well that. 1776 01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:21.279 Yeah, that's that's my current mindset. I'm like, look, SOD 1777 01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:24.000 for me was classic plus. It wasn't exactly what I wanted, 1778 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:25.680 but it was what I wanted in a lot of 1779 01:32:25.760 --> 01:32:28.039 other ways, so you know, you kind of split the difference. 1780 01:32:28.079 --> 01:32:30.239 And I was really happy with it. I got a 1781 01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:32.920 lot of things accomplished. I got to, you know, relive 1782 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:35.119 high school for lack of the better you know term 1783 01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:37.079 that we all fantasized about, right, and I was I 1784 01:32:37.159 --> 01:32:40.119 went to prom and smashed the cheerleaders and all that stuff. 1785 01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:41.520 So it was great for me. 1786 01:32:42.640 --> 01:32:45.159 And yeah, now I just feel like, well, whatever happens 1787 01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:49.640 with real Classic plus or whatever it's, you know, for me, 1788 01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:51.640 it's like, I don't know, are you going to be 1789 01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:53.920 able to top SOD. I know that there are a 1790 01:32:53.960 --> 01:32:55.640 lot of things that people liked about side that a 1791 01:32:55.680 --> 01:32:57.840 lot of other people didn't. There were a lot of 1792 01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:00.520 signals that they got inside that might make them rethink 1793 01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:01.960 a lot of things. And that's why I was bringing 1794 01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:04.600 up earlier that given the cadence of when they might 1795 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:07.720 release this, it would then lead me to believe that 1796 01:33:07.760 --> 01:33:09.399 they're going to use a lot of the SOD DNA, 1797 01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:10.600 because in my opinion. 1798 01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:11.479 That's a pretty quick turnaround. 1799 01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:13.279 I think we're like less than two years of like 1800 01:33:13.399 --> 01:33:15.560 SOD ending, and they'd be coming out with this Camelot thing, 1801 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:17.399 which means that I would think that they would have 1802 01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:20.079 built off a lot of what SOD was rather than 1803 01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:23.439 developing something new from scratch, which means that there might 1804 01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:25.600 be a lot of DNA in it, which to someone 1805 01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:27.159 like me could be really cool, but it would also 1806 01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:30.600 depend on what they did or didn't include, and then 1807 01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:32.199 for other people would be like really bad because I 1808 01:33:32.239 --> 01:33:34.039 know a lot of people didn't like the rum thing, 1809 01:33:35.199 --> 01:33:37.800 and you know, to your point earlier about people liking 1810 01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:40.079 the new class roles and stuff, it's like a lot 1811 01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:42.720 of that was enabled by Runes. You know, demon Form 1812 01:33:42.840 --> 01:33:43.960 for Warlocks was a ruin. 1813 01:33:44.039 --> 01:33:48.560 It wasn't a talent. My side expectation is simply just 1814 01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:50.880 I've said it a few times now. I just think 1815 01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:55.560 for them, for the most part, getting not all the way, 1816 01:33:55.760 --> 01:34:00.680 but most of the way SOD style gameplay, they total 1817 01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:05.439 well slash Apok style world. That's the combo I think 1818 01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:06.239 is coming outway. 1819 01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:11.159 Yeah, I mean I don't have any issue with that. 1820 01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:14.399 My my sticking point with the runes is like I 1821 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:20.439 think people really underlook how much customization and kind of 1822 01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:23.760 niche things that the ruins allowed you to do, because 1823 01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:28.600 all the runes kind of occupied a different function in 1824 01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:32.319 their gear slot, and you could combine them in different 1825 01:34:32.359 --> 01:34:35.600 ways to like really enable your character to do. You know, 1826 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:37.680 like if you were going to raid, you pretty much 1827 01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:39.760 have like a cookie cutter rune build that you were 1828 01:34:39.800 --> 01:34:42.640 going to use, but outside of rating, you could really 1829 01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:45.640 mix and match, like tanking ruins on your gloves and 1830 01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:48.439 DPS rooms on your belt or whatever, and you can 1831 01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:51.000 make your character in this kind of like Frankenstein way. 1832 01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:53.479 They could do content that it wasn't ever enabled to 1833 01:34:53.560 --> 01:34:55.640 do before. And I just don't see you being able 1834 01:34:55.720 --> 01:34:59.720 to recapture that gameplay if you make it talents, yeah, 1835 01:35:00.159 --> 01:35:01.199 I don't some other. 1836 01:35:01.279 --> 01:35:04.880 Kind of I don't expects. I don't expect to see 1837 01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:10.239 ruins or if we do at a drastically reduced scale. 1838 01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:13.279 Well that yeah, That's what I'm saying is like I 1839 01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:15.640 think they might be missing something they might be missing 1840 01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:18.279 out on something pretty cool that they had with Runs 1841 01:35:18.319 --> 01:35:21.720 if they don't go through it again. So what you said, well, 1842 01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:24.760 you mentioned that, yeah, because like you said that, we 1843 01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:28.880 might get like more SOD style gameplay with you know, 1844 01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:31.800 like a turtle while philosophy behind the content. And it's like, 1845 01:35:31.880 --> 01:35:34.319 I don't think you can achieve the SOD style gameplay 1846 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:37.520 without the ruins if you just give people talents and 1847 01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:39.840 stuff like that, unless you you kind of do like 1848 01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:42.399 a more like retail as or not retail ass but 1849 01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:44.840 kind of like Cataclysm version style of talents where you 1850 01:35:44.840 --> 01:35:46.560 have had like rows and you kind of pick things 1851 01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:49.520 that are like keystones and defined. So I don't know, 1852 01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:51.279 you know, this is what I mean by they shut 1853 01:35:51.319 --> 01:35:53.039 themselves in the foot. They have to really thread a 1854 01:35:53.159 --> 01:35:56.039 needle that is going to be pretty hard in terms 1855 01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:59.319 of like what system they want to implement to give 1856 01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:03.439 people that experience again or a brand new experience, you know. 1857 01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:08.279 And then also, while you know, adhering to the rigidity 1858 01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:10.479 that we've mentioned before that classic players are kind of 1859 01:36:10.560 --> 01:36:14.319 stubbornly beholden too, So it's a it's a fucking moonshot man, 1860 01:36:14.439 --> 01:36:17.079 And that that's why I think that like they would 1861 01:36:17.119 --> 01:36:19.920 have been better off just not doing sod almost or 1862 01:36:20.039 --> 01:36:22.319 just branding sod is classes and going off of that, 1863 01:36:22.560 --> 01:36:24.960 because I just I just think that like comparison is 1864 01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:28.439 the thief of joy, right, So you know, but I I, 1865 01:36:28.600 --> 01:36:30.199 you know, I wish them the best, Like I'd like 1866 01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:32.279 for it to be a product that's so enticing that 1867 01:36:32.479 --> 01:36:33.880 you know, it makes me want to play it again. 1868 01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:38.680 I think it will be everyone's dying to say what 1869 01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:41.119 they've done. Obviously with the classes, that'll be the first 1870 01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:43.239 thing when they step out on stage of bleiz Con. 1871 01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:47.079 The first thing people will want to draw or extract 1872 01:36:47.119 --> 01:36:49.600 from the people on stage are just tell us about 1873 01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:51.399 the classes. What classes are we getting and how are 1874 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:52.880 they going to play? Tell us, tell us, tell us, 1875 01:36:53.279 --> 01:36:56.279 because we all expect them, like, you know, them coming 1876 01:36:56.319 --> 01:36:59.560 out on stage and going, hey, guys, we're doing classic 1877 01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:03.079 plus in as the roth Baby, no outlands, no North 1878 01:37:03.159 --> 01:37:05.880 rand lets. The world's the main character as they're off 1879 01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:09.439 and look what we've done. He's you know, eleven hundred 1880 01:37:09.680 --> 01:37:12.800 new quests through the world. He's new raids. We're gonna 1881 01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:15.000 be like yay and no shit, no fucking shit, talk 1882 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:20.800 about the classts you know what I mean, I expect 1883 01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:22.159 I don't know if they share that sentiment. 1884 01:37:22.239 --> 01:37:24.119 And also I don't want to like dominate the conversation 1885 01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:25.119 by the way, so fety. 1886 01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:27.119 You're okay, they're all sleep, They're all asleep, it's you 1887 01:37:27.159 --> 01:37:28.239 and maybe okay. 1888 01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:31.560 Yeah, I mean, I think the big letdown with SOD 1889 01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:33.720 was that they really didn't do enough with the world, 1890 01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:35.840 because I personally would have been this is what I 1891 01:37:35.880 --> 01:37:37.560 mean by like, they did some things I liked and 1892 01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:39.920 then some things that I didn't, And you know, just 1893 01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:42.520 the things that they did end up doing I liked 1894 01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:43.880 a lot, so it kind of made up for it. 1895 01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:45.840 But you know, I would have been happy with just 1896 01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:49.640 vanilla classes in SOD and them opening up the zones 1897 01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:52.000 that we've wanted to see for fucking twenty plus years. 1898 01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:57.000 Hydraul Emerald dream uh you know, old old hum or 1899 01:37:57.079 --> 01:38:00.680 whatever in still athis all those zone ozones that you know, 1900 01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:03.239 have been untouched that we that have been sitting there 1901 01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:05.159 and you can like exploit to them and stuff. 1902 01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:06.239 You know. 1903 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:09.000 One that they did do was like the Karazan dungeons, 1904 01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:12.880 right or whatever, the Karazan basement crips. So that yeah, 1905 01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:15.439 the crips, and then they they followed through on like 1906 01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:17.600 the Scarlet Enclave and stuff like that, which was really 1907 01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:19.720 cool as well, and those were like big highlights, but 1908 01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:22.560 other than that, the world was very much static with 1909 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:26.399 what we normally see in vanilla. So I've always thought 1910 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:29.000 that that is kind of the heart and soul of 1911 01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:33.319 like what a classic plus is is broadening these these 1912 01:38:33.399 --> 01:38:36.600 areas of the world that are untapped, and that everyone 1913 01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:39.199 loves the vanilla classes, regardless of how boring they are. 1914 01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:42.039 I mean, like, I don't think anybody wants to press 1915 01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:44.479 prossipal for three thousand hours, but you know you'll fucking 1916 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:46.239 happily do it if you can do it in hydraw 1917 01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:47.439 instead of you know. 1918 01:38:47.479 --> 01:38:49.479 Multiple or whatever. To be honest with you, and we've 1919 01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:51.039 talked about this a lot on the show, I think 1920 01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:55.560 whilst there is a class of game out that one 1921 01:38:55.640 --> 01:38:58.279 hundred percent agrees with you on that DC from the 1922 01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:00.920 vibe check I've gotten over the last year or two 1923 01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:05.600 is that the majority of classic players in twenty twenty 1924 01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:10.760 six disagree only to the extent that they like, just 1925 01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:13.159 give me one or two extra fucking buttons, you know 1926 01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:13.600 what I mean? 1927 01:39:15.119 --> 01:39:17.000 Yeah, for sure, But I think that if it was 1928 01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:18.560 like gun to your head, you can play the new 1929 01:39:18.640 --> 01:39:21.920 zones with classic you know toolkits, or you don't play 1930 01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:23.399 it at all. I think, you know, oh yes, like 1931 01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:25.479 the shut of Yeah, if everyone's going to do it right, 1932 01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:29.680 that's a terrible Ideally they you know, and then again, 1933 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:31.560 this is the needle that they have to thread. Ideally, 1934 01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:33.800 they can do both in a way that appeass and 1935 01:39:33.880 --> 01:39:35.720 doesn't alienate the classic player base. 1936 01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:36.840 And that's kind of gonna be. 1937 01:39:36.920 --> 01:39:37.560 The you know. 1938 01:39:37.640 --> 01:39:40.319 And I wish more people had played SOD because I 1939 01:39:40.399 --> 01:39:42.279 do agree with you that I think there would be 1940 01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:44.960 more converts of this twenty twenty six player that you're 1941 01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:47.600 saying they would want a couple extra buttons, because the 1942 01:39:47.760 --> 01:39:49.760 classes in SODE were really I mean, like I only 1943 01:39:49.800 --> 01:39:52.119 played one class, but like, holy fuck, it was so 1944 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:57.479 good and really broadened, you know, your perception of the 1945 01:39:57.600 --> 01:39:59.920 fun that you are missing out on by not having 1946 01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:03.119 in these just couple extra buttons that add a lot 1947 01:40:03.159 --> 01:40:05.840 of dynamism to your class that isn't inherently there in 1948 01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:10.199 the vanilla kit. So, you know, I hope that they 1949 01:40:10.279 --> 01:40:12.880 can make a good case for that if they do 1950 01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:14.520 open up a lot of stuff and they do open 1951 01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:17.000 up new roles and things like that, because I do 1952 01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:20.720 think that that was a well, I mean, like the 1953 01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:23.600 tanking issue is like a little weird because you know 1954 01:40:23.680 --> 01:40:26.079 a lot of the tanks that they introduced in the 1955 01:40:26.119 --> 01:40:29.600 other classes ended up being like evasion tanks, where they're 1956 01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:31.479 not like they're not tanks that are like relying on 1957 01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:36.680 blocking and armor. And then those tanks scale really detrimentally 1958 01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:38.960 into the late game, and detrimentally in the way that 1959 01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:41.239 it's like you have to nerve the content in a 1960 01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:43.359 way that's kind of unnatural because you can get like 1961 01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:46.119 one hundred percent dodge or whatever really easily, and then 1962 01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:49.000 it trivializes the tanking aspect of the game. 1963 01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:53.520 So can I throw a question at you for Chad? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1964 01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:56.439 so long time listener and contribute to John says the following, 1965 01:40:56.479 --> 01:40:59.560 and I'll just act like, I guess it is directed 1966 01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:01.119 to you because it picks up of what you were saying. 1967 01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:04.600 He goes, you know, besides new zones, how do you 1968 01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:09.159 keep the world alive after people explore it? It gets old. 1969 01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:11.960 I'm sure they are Parisians who are tired of the 1970 01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:15.520 Eiffel Tower. So, like, what would you do personally DC 1971 01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:19.479 to reinvigorate the world and make it alive, so to speak. 1972 01:41:21.239 --> 01:41:22.800 You know, I don't know if I can give a 1973 01:41:22.960 --> 01:41:26.079 very compelling answer, just off the top of my head, 1974 01:41:26.399 --> 01:41:27.279 I feel that. 1975 01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:30.960 So this is something. 1976 01:41:32.199 --> 01:41:34.359 I don't know how much this will relate, but I 1977 01:41:34.479 --> 01:41:40.880 think as long as you preserve that Classic is as 1978 01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:43.119 much you get out of Classic, like what you put 1979 01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:44.920 into it. And what I mean by that is when 1980 01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:48.479 I played, I followed my guild after SOD ended, they 1981 01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:52.039 all went to MOP Classic and I never played MOP before, 1982 01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:53.039 so I decided to try it. 1983 01:41:53.079 --> 01:41:54.680 With them, and I, you know, I quit after like 1984 01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:57.640 a month or something. And the reason that I did 1985 01:41:57.880 --> 01:41:58.920 was because. 1986 01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:05.439 MOP levels out how much people can get out of 1987 01:42:05.520 --> 01:42:07.199 the game. And what I mean by that is when 1988 01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:10.119 you can just queue up for a dungeon and just 1989 01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:14.680 grind heroics and stuff like that and get gear, you 1990 01:42:15.039 --> 01:42:19.479 lose that not only like time advantage that you might 1991 01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:21.760 have for like the amount of free time that you 1992 01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:25.920 might have to play the game, but also the the 1993 01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:29.960 willingness and motivation that you have to get things accomplished 1994 01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:32.800 on your own time. So like for example, and Classic, 1995 01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:35.039 like if you want to run a dungeon, you either 1996 01:42:35.119 --> 01:42:37.920 have to find a group or make a group, and 1997 01:42:38.439 --> 01:42:40.960 that takes time. You have to you know, read the 1998 01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:43.880 general chat. You have to schmooze with different people. You 1999 01:42:43.960 --> 01:42:45.319 have to try and find a tank, you have to 2000 01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:46.920 try and find a healer. You have to try and 2001 01:42:47.039 --> 01:42:50.520 get everyone to the dungeon. And when you do get there, 2002 01:42:50.880 --> 01:42:54.920 that's because you fucking put energy out of your body 2003 01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:56.680 and into the game per se. 2004 01:42:57.159 --> 01:42:59.000 But when you just have these menus that let you 2005 01:42:59.119 --> 01:43:01.000 do that, right you Who's that like kind. 2006 01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:05.680 Of inherent social advantage or you know, I don't know 2007 01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:08.359 exactly like what you would quantify it as, but I 2008 01:43:08.439 --> 01:43:11.199 think that that's something that like makes the world always 2009 01:43:11.279 --> 01:43:14.239 be alive. Is that as long as you make everything 2010 01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:19.920 beholden to like the player's investment, that it will retain 2011 01:43:20.079 --> 01:43:20.960 that attraction. 2012 01:43:22.359 --> 01:43:27.319 So I'll give you, I'll give you. You keep going up. Okay, Yeah, Like. 2013 01:43:27.359 --> 01:43:29.399 One thing I always think of is that like as 2014 01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:32.520 a as a rogue player, I needed a hand of justice, 2015 01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:36.359 and you know, you you can solo farm it as 2016 01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:39.560 a rogue. You can go in, you can stealth run BRD, 2017 01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:42.279 and you can solo anger forge with this like weird 2018 01:43:42.319 --> 01:43:43.640 thing that you do where you like are on the 2019 01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:45.800 rafters and you shoot them a bunch of times that arrow, 2020 01:43:45.840 --> 01:43:48.319 and you like tide them in this like weird fucking way, 2021 01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:50.840 and you know, if you just keep at it, you'll 2022 01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:53.319 eventually get a hand of justice without having to like 2023 01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:56.079 coordinate these groups where your hard res it or try 2024 01:43:56.119 --> 01:43:58.000 and find people they like also don't want it or 2025 01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:00.159 like any of this stuff. And it's like when you 2026 01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:02.279 get it, when I finally kill that anger for as 2027 01:44:02.319 --> 01:44:04.560 it drops my hand of justice, I feel great, even 2028 01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:06.319 if it took like eight or nine or ten hours 2029 01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:09.199 or whatever, because you know that only happened because I 2030 01:44:09.359 --> 01:44:11.199 was willing to do it every single time. 2031 01:44:12.279 --> 01:44:14.359 And that's totally different. When you just have a menu 2032 01:44:14.560 --> 01:44:17.600 that you can like queue into and you just run 2033 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:18.800 it and run it and run it and run it. 2034 01:44:18.840 --> 01:44:20.920 It's gonna drop a bunch of times because Blizzard is 2035 01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:23.479 like generous with the drop rates, and you'll eventually get 2036 01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:25.199 a group where you either win it or you don't. 2037 01:44:25.439 --> 01:44:27.520 No one else is competing with it or whatever. Right, 2038 01:44:28.039 --> 01:44:30.479 and so there is that that friction, right we always 2039 01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:32.880 come back to, like Classic has this friction. I like 2040 01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:35.520 that kind of friction because it's rewarding it like it 2041 01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:39.119 provides tangibility to like what I do inside the game 2042 01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:42.199 in a way that I find very gratifying. And when 2043 01:44:42.239 --> 01:44:44.720 you stand my character up to another person's character, you 2044 01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:47.880 can see how much work we put into it based 2045 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:50.000 on like the items that we have and things of 2046 01:44:50.039 --> 01:44:53.520 that nature. So I think that's what keeps the world alive. 2047 01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:56.520 And as long as you have those items that are 2048 01:44:56.600 --> 01:45:00.800 kind of chase or character defining or role define and 2049 01:45:02.039 --> 01:45:04.520 you know that that carrot on a stick kind of exists, 2050 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:07.319 and people are motivated to uh you know. I had 2051 01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:10.520 the same thing with fell Striker, where where Fell Striker 2052 01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:12.039 was really good and saw it and you kind of 2053 01:45:12.399 --> 01:45:15.760 really needed to get one, and it had me, you know, 2054 01:45:15.920 --> 01:45:18.199 joining tons of UBRS groups and then I would I 2055 01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:20.439 would join groups that didn't have other rogues in it, 2056 01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:23.560 and I wouldn't hard reserve it or tell people that 2057 01:45:24.359 --> 01:45:26.800 they couldn't invite rogues, but then I would kind of 2058 01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:30.199 commandeer the group and start I would start looking for 2059 01:45:30.279 --> 01:45:33.119 people to fill the group for the person that started it, 2060 01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:35.199 and I would just make sure that I didn't take 2061 01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:37.399 any rogues or anything like that. So I would just 2062 01:45:37.479 --> 01:45:41.319 kind of like sneakily manipulate the group composition behind the 2063 01:45:41.399 --> 01:45:43.920 scenes and look like I'm just being a buddy and 2064 01:45:44.039 --> 01:45:45.840 like helping fill the group, but really I have like 2065 01:45:45.920 --> 01:45:49.319 nefarious intentions. So that's the kind of stuff that like 2066 01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:51.520 keeps World of Warcraft like very engaging. 2067 01:45:52.159 --> 01:45:55.399 And I think as long as ahead, let me tell 2068 01:45:55.399 --> 01:45:57.680 you a couple of specific things I might start wing 2069 01:45:57.800 --> 01:46:01.079 John and I am. I am not the good idea guy. 2070 01:46:01.319 --> 01:46:03.640 I have shit takes. So I'm sure one of these 2071 01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:06.279 two things is a terrible take that you would be 2072 01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:12.880 more than warranted to eviserate me on. I I do 2073 01:46:13.439 --> 01:46:16.279 like more rares out there in the world, and you 2074 01:46:16.760 --> 01:46:19.039 can make the argument that that takes away from the 2075 01:46:19.119 --> 01:46:22.159 classification of rare if there's more of them out there. 2076 01:46:22.239 --> 01:46:25.800 But the one thing I really like about modern MMOs is, 2077 01:46:26.479 --> 01:46:30.920 you know, relatively frequently stumbling upon that, Hey, there's a 2078 01:46:31.039 --> 01:46:33.520 rare down the road, and I'll try and you know, 2079 01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:35.880 see if I get some form of half decent loot 2080 01:46:35.920 --> 01:46:37.800 from it, that I can you know, not a not 2081 01:46:37.880 --> 01:46:41.840 a world boss, just a soluble rare. I think that's 2082 01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:45.319 an easy layup on, Like, you know, have rares that 2083 01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:49.680 might drop really cool shit that don't they're not spawning 2084 01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:52.720 every twelve hours. They might spawn once every hour I 2085 01:46:52.840 --> 01:46:56.800 don't know, and have people re engage with the world 2086 01:46:56.880 --> 01:47:00.560 to try and chase items like that. Another thing is like, again, 2087 01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:04.840 you're just trying to spice up the world. World Bosses 2088 01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:07.359 needs to be addressed, and like this is the moment 2089 01:47:07.359 --> 01:47:09.119 where you can say, I've got a really shit take. 2090 01:47:10.520 --> 01:47:18.079 I would do World Bosses where, like you, we've got 2091 01:47:18.119 --> 01:47:20.640 to figure out the sort of griefing issue, like everyone 2092 01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:23.640 agrees we don't want to serve. Where just that one 2093 01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:26.840 really sweaty guild owns the world Bosses and it's just 2094 01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:29.840 pack up and go home everyone else. It's that content 2095 01:47:30.039 --> 01:47:34.239 does not exist for you. It's not overly fun. And 2096 01:47:34.319 --> 01:47:37.119 I know the answer is get good scrub, but fucking whatever. 2097 01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:42.439 I really like the concept of, you know, again, just 2098 01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:45.199 like give people a role, give them a chance, and like, 2099 01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:47.800 you know, if you had the big bad world boss 2100 01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:51.960 that you have, you know, ten raid groups hammering. That 2101 01:47:52.119 --> 01:47:54.319 looks really cool to me. And I think that that 2102 01:47:54.600 --> 01:47:57.479 again invites social behavior and whatnot, and you could do that. 2103 01:47:57.920 --> 01:48:00.359 You could do the thing where I don't know, you've 2104 01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:02.920 got to be in a raid group to get a 2105 01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:05.680 chance at you know, looting the thing obviously, and like, 2106 01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:09.319 but like every raid group that tags the boss will 2107 01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:14.159 get loot to roll off on. There's a right way 2108 01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:15.560 and a wrong way to do it. But I'm just 2109 01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:20.439 saying open things up rather than closing them off. That 2110 01:48:20.680 --> 01:48:24.159 that's one suggestion of mine to you know, making the 2111 01:48:24.439 --> 01:48:29.119 world seem quote unquote alive. DC. I mean, I'm more 2112 01:48:29.159 --> 01:48:30.520 than happy for you to tell me that's a fucking 2113 01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:31.319 terrible suggestion. 2114 01:48:31.600 --> 01:48:34.039 Tell me what you think, well, I have like pretty 2115 01:48:34.119 --> 01:48:37.880 nuanced opinions on world like world content like this, like 2116 01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:41.720 responsor so I personally, I personally think that the experiment 2117 01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:45.359 has been run on world bosses and that the version 2118 01:48:45.399 --> 01:48:47.640 that they did inside where it's just another instance and 2119 01:48:47.760 --> 01:48:49.760 it resets every three days or whatever and you go 2120 01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:51.239 in and you get the chance to kill it and 2121 01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:51.840 you do kill it. 2122 01:48:52.239 --> 01:48:53.319 I think that's the best way. 2123 01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:54.199 I didn't like it. 2124 01:48:54.399 --> 01:48:56.399 I'm a weirdo. I'm a weirdo. I did not like 2125 01:48:56.520 --> 01:48:57.600 instanced world bosses. 2126 01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:02.159 World well like bosses that exist in the real world 2127 01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:05.920 just create the most cancerous types of gameplay and it's 2128 01:49:06.039 --> 01:49:08.600 just really not fun for everyone involved, even the people 2129 01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:11.279 that end up killing it. You just waste a lot 2130 01:49:11.319 --> 01:49:13.039 of your time. You have to set up all these 2131 01:49:13.399 --> 01:49:15.359 things that alert you at like four in the morning, 2132 01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:17.159 and then you have to rally your guild and you 2133 01:49:17.239 --> 01:49:20.479 have to grief other people, and it's just so degenerated. 2134 01:49:21.479 --> 01:49:23.399 But we can work around that. What if it didn't 2135 01:49:23.439 --> 01:49:26.079 spawn it stupid hours. What if it didn't like only 2136 01:49:26.479 --> 01:49:29.159 I get tagged by one group and be griefable. 2137 01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:32.439 I mean, well, I played this game called wild Star 2138 01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:35.159 and there was a quest line that you needed to 2139 01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:36.920 do to get a tune to the first raid, and 2140 01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:39.680 they had world bosses where everybody on your faction that 2141 01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:44.119 tagged it got credit, and it just made them really 2142 01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:46.439 stupid things that you just had to wait around and 2143 01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:48.520 wait for them to spawn so that you could be 2144 01:49:48.600 --> 01:49:50.119 there and get it. And then if the other faction 2145 01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:52.479 got it or they had more. I'm just telling you, 2146 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:55.359 man that, like when you create these big pinata things 2147 01:49:55.479 --> 01:49:58.640 that like everybody needs for something, it just we've run 2148 01:49:58.720 --> 01:50:01.600 the experiment and I just the juice isn't worth the 2149 01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:05.199 squeeze now. Rare spawns on the other hand, or like 2150 01:50:05.720 --> 01:50:08.159 what I mean by like I have nuanced opinions of this. 2151 01:50:08.359 --> 01:50:09.439 Is in sad. 2152 01:50:10.720 --> 01:50:12.880 When molten corep was in the first phase, right, there 2153 01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:14.520 was that heat thing where you needed like all this 2154 01:50:14.640 --> 01:50:18.359 fires this gear, and they had these recipes for leather 2155 01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:22.680 pants and leather gloves. I think I don't remember exactly 2156 01:50:22.720 --> 01:50:24.680 what the items were, it's not important, but there were 2157 01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:28.119 these recipes and they only dropped off King Mosh. And 2158 01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:31.039 King Mosh is this dinosaur right in on Goro and 2159 01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:32.920 you only need five people to kill him, but he's 2160 01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:35.399 on like a it takes like I think it was 2161 01:50:36.359 --> 01:50:40.960 thirty two hours have to pass before a twelve hour 2162 01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:43.479 window opens up where he can spawn it any time 2163 01:50:43.520 --> 01:50:47.399 within that twelve hour window, right. And also there was 2164 01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:51.159 this weird thing going on with layers that only one 2165 01:50:51.319 --> 01:50:54.640 layer on the server he could spawn on because that 2166 01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:57.840 was the only layer that didn't disappear, right, because I 2167 01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:00.520 called it the prime layer, which is like the layer 2168 01:51:00.600 --> 01:51:03.000 that all layers get spawned off of eventually. So this 2169 01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:05.560 is the layer that like exists permanently, and then every 2170 01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:07.720 other layer that phases in is one that gets generated 2171 01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:10.960 because like the population demands it, right. And this is 2172 01:51:11.039 --> 01:51:13.680 something that like I figured out when I was trying 2173 01:51:13.680 --> 01:51:15.359 to form Title Charm, which is where we'll get to 2174 01:51:15.479 --> 01:51:19.119 like smaller rears that you know, players can solo on 2175 01:51:19.119 --> 01:51:20.000 their own and stuff like that. 2176 01:51:20.279 --> 01:51:21.600 Now I like this system. 2177 01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:24.600 I think it's really cool because it rewards people for 2178 01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:27.840 you know, figuring out the game mechanics and then like 2179 01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:31.560 investing the time into it, and you know, you can 2180 01:51:31.640 --> 01:51:35.640 have people staking out parts of the world. And you know, 2181 01:51:35.800 --> 01:51:37.560 I would just sitting on Goro and like, man, I 2182 01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:39.720 would just kill people that I would saw coming and 2183 01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:41.920 riding around to check King Mosh and it's like, dude, 2184 01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:43.800 he's not even gonna spawn for another sixteen hours, but 2185 01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:45.279 I'm just gonna kill you to let you know that, 2186 01:51:45.399 --> 01:51:47.359 Like there's a fucking rogue out here that will just 2187 01:51:47.680 --> 01:51:48.000 kill you. 2188 01:51:48.079 --> 01:51:49.479 For looking at this place. 2189 01:51:49.800 --> 01:51:51.520 So you better think twice on if you want to, 2190 01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:53.720 you know, come out here alone again and just check, 2191 01:51:54.159 --> 01:51:56.359 you know. And I liked engaging and stuff like that. 2192 01:51:56.640 --> 01:51:58.479 And you know, my guild en up did like we 2193 01:51:58.680 --> 01:52:00.840 end up did farming this recipe bunch, and we ended 2194 01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:04.199 up like extorting the Horde because like they they got 2195 01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:06.000 the pants and we got the gloves, and like I 2196 01:52:06.319 --> 01:52:07.880 extorted them for like a bunch of money on. 2197 01:52:07.880 --> 01:52:09.520 The like neutral auction it was a lot of fun. 2198 01:52:09.840 --> 01:52:12.119 I created a lot of interesting, uh kind of social 2199 01:52:12.159 --> 01:52:15.079 game plan stuff like that, So I'm more favorable to 2200 01:52:15.479 --> 01:52:18.560 things like that. I think that you can maybe the 2201 01:52:18.920 --> 01:52:21.000 prime layer thing is like pretty shitty, and I don't 2202 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:23.119 think that that's something that like Blizzard intended, but it 2203 01:52:23.239 --> 01:52:25.159 is just something that like the way that the servers 2204 01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:27.600 work because of layering and stuff like that, so I 2205 01:52:27.680 --> 01:52:30.960 think maybe you could fix that, so then maybe there's 2206 01:52:31.079 --> 01:52:33.399 three layers or because basically it made it so that 2207 01:52:33.560 --> 01:52:36.319 like you could only get like three king Moshes a week, 2208 01:52:36.800 --> 01:52:39.119 you know, because of the nature of the spawn window, 2209 01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:41.239 and that he would only literally spawn on one layer 2210 01:52:41.319 --> 01:52:43.520 because the chances that any layer would be up for 2211 01:52:43.640 --> 01:52:46.560 more than you know, thirty two hours was pretty much 2212 01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:49.840 zero percent, right, so you know, would lead to those 2213 01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:52.399 situations where there was gonna be one Yeah good. 2214 01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:58.199 Sorry, I thought you thought, no, go for it, row 2215 01:52:58.399 --> 01:53:01.680 or jump in Plaze do it. Somebody has to shut 2216 01:53:01.800 --> 01:53:02.079 him up. 2217 01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:08.000 So when the Classic Plus project first came out Jordie's website, 2218 01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:12.039 me and a couple of guys we got really really 2219 01:53:12.079 --> 01:53:14.359 deep in this rabbit hole talking about world bosses and 2220 01:53:14.439 --> 01:53:21.199 rares and the idea. We arrived at was what if? Okay, 2221 01:53:21.279 --> 01:53:28.640 so two layers first one? What if world bosses every 2222 01:53:28.720 --> 01:53:31.760 time you killed one, If you killed one, you get 2223 01:53:31.800 --> 01:53:33.800 locked out for the day or the week or whatever 2224 01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:39.039 it is, right, but as soon as it dies, that 2225 01:53:39.199 --> 01:53:43.239 immediately spawns another one. But what if you don't know 2226 01:53:44.159 --> 01:53:46.840 where it's gonna spawn. Let's say every single zone where 2227 01:53:46.880 --> 01:53:48.760 it has like their elite areas, you know, or like 2228 01:53:48.800 --> 01:53:56.119 the dragon mark, right, And so you can do that 2229 01:53:56.199 --> 01:53:59.520 with raid bosses. So you've got your members of your 2230 01:53:59.560 --> 01:54:02.800 guild out patrolling areas, trying to be out there and 2231 01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:04.479 see where the next one's gonna spawn at because you 2232 01:54:04.479 --> 01:54:06.520 don't know where it's gonna go. And so now let's 2233 01:54:06.520 --> 01:54:09.880 say you did that as well with an elite mob 2234 01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:11.960 that takes five people to kill. So now you can 2235 01:54:12.039 --> 01:54:15.680 go out with your five friends and go you get, 2236 01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:19.359 you know what, two or three pieces of dungeon loop 2237 01:54:20.279 --> 01:54:23.840 from a rare mob, but they could spawn in any zone. 2238 01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:25.239 You don't know where it's gonna be, but you just 2239 01:54:25.439 --> 01:54:27.600 know as soon as one dies, one will spawn. So 2240 01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:32.600 you're giving everybody a chance to go and kill a 2241 01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:35.960 raid boss or a world boss, but you don't know 2242 01:54:37.399 --> 01:54:40.239 if you don't know where it's gonna be, so that 2243 01:54:40.319 --> 01:54:43.760 way nobody can camp one spot the entire time like this. 2244 01:54:44.199 --> 01:54:46.319 So I think this is really cute. What do you think? 2245 01:54:46.479 --> 01:54:47.920 What do you think they sy? I really like this. 2246 01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:52.159 I think the fixed location is like really important because 2247 01:54:52.239 --> 01:54:55.800 that's what makes you know. For example, with the k 2248 01:54:55.960 --> 01:54:58.680 Mosh thing that I did, there was one day where 2249 01:55:00.359 --> 01:55:02.199 you know, it's in Angorro obviously, and there was one 2250 01:55:02.279 --> 01:55:04.319 day where I went out there to watch the spawn 2251 01:55:04.439 --> 01:55:07.520 and there was a seven Hord out there. So I 2252 01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:12.119 I got like twenty people on the Alliance to go 2253 01:55:12.279 --> 01:55:14.520 out there and we wipe them, and then the Hoard 2254 01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:16.600 got forty people to come out there, and then they 2255 01:55:16.680 --> 01:55:19.399 wiped us, and then we got more Alliance and we 2256 01:55:19.479 --> 01:55:21.399 wipe them, and eventually they got like eighty Hord people 2257 01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:24.159 out there and they wiped us. And then, you know, 2258 01:55:24.319 --> 01:55:27.199 and that wouldn't happen if you didn't know where it spawned. 2259 01:55:27.239 --> 01:55:29.760 And it created this really uh you know, it made 2260 01:55:29.840 --> 01:55:31.960 me build rapport with like the Horde Guild, like I 2261 01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:34.680 had to like find them on Discord and message them 2262 01:55:34.760 --> 01:55:36.119 and stuff like that and kind of like wave the 2263 01:55:36.159 --> 01:55:37.800 white flag and you know, and then we were. You know, 2264 01:55:37.880 --> 01:55:39.640 before that happened, we were like talking shit to each 2265 01:55:39.680 --> 01:55:40.279 other and stuff like that. 2266 01:55:40.359 --> 01:55:41.039 It was really fun. 2267 01:55:42.199 --> 01:55:44.359 And yeah, if you don't know where it's gonna spawn, 2268 01:55:44.560 --> 01:55:47.359 then you kind of miss out on opportunities like that. 2269 01:55:47.479 --> 01:55:50.880 And same with when I farmed Title Charm. The amount 2270 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.479 of PvP that I did in that lake and a 2271 01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:56.520 Raffi basin was just off the chain, and like you 2272 01:55:56.560 --> 01:55:58.520 would see the same people over and over and you 2273 01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:01.840 developed these rivalries and you know, I'm bringing like shadow 2274 01:56:01.880 --> 01:56:04.279 protection portions and shit because I'm fighting like shadow priests 2275 01:56:04.279 --> 01:56:06.199 that are there all the time. There was a shaman 2276 01:56:06.239 --> 01:56:08.159 that was always there, so I just had like stuff 2277 01:56:08.199 --> 01:56:09.039 that would counter him. 2278 01:56:09.680 --> 01:56:11.520 And you know, if it's. 2279 01:56:11.560 --> 01:56:14.520 Always spawning in like random places, I feel that that is. 2280 01:56:14.720 --> 01:56:16.279 I feel like that's kind of important. 2281 01:56:16.359 --> 01:56:19.039 But all right, well, you got one vote each way. 2282 01:56:19.199 --> 01:56:22.199 Let's let Anti be the decider. Maybe we'll get sci 2283 01:56:22.279 --> 01:56:25.159 fied away in if you can as well. After Anti Anti, Oh, 2284 01:56:25.359 --> 01:56:26.800 I got I got something lined up. 2285 01:56:26.840 --> 01:56:26.920 Bro. 2286 01:56:27.319 --> 01:56:29.359 Oh he may fucking now is the time. 2287 01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:32.479 Oh, I'm ready. I'm ready for a Gorol. 2288 01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:35.479 Everything you've spoke about is purely endgame, and we have 2289 01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:38.159 seen so many inverted come as Wow Killers come out 2290 01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:40.600 in the past, So we all had great things, but 2291 01:56:40.840 --> 01:56:43.600 then the game has failed, and I don't see why 2292 01:56:43.640 --> 01:56:46.199 Blizzard isn't looking at what the things that were really 2293 01:56:46.319 --> 01:56:48.960 good in those games and taking from them. For example, 2294 01:56:49.159 --> 01:56:52.560 requests requests inside Warammer Online. 2295 01:56:52.279 --> 01:56:53.039 We're incredible. 2296 01:56:53.199 --> 01:56:57.520 Well, PvP in that was incredible because they had zones 2297 01:56:57.640 --> 01:57:00.039 in every single zone that were focused towards them, and 2298 01:57:00.079 --> 01:57:01.760 if you were a lower level you went into that 2299 01:57:02.439 --> 01:57:05.640 rift to the same thing, had massive dynamic world events 2300 01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:08.199 that would constantly happen, and if you were a high 2301 01:57:08.279 --> 01:57:10.399 level player and you went into a low level zone, 2302 01:57:10.680 --> 01:57:13.439 you got d level to go play with lower players 2303 01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:16.039 and actually keep it challenging, so you can't just get oh, 2304 01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:17.880 just get my sixty mates to come along and just 2305 01:57:17.960 --> 01:57:19.920 wipe this out and then we give the loop. But 2306 01:57:20.039 --> 01:57:23.760 then the high level players got roads that are equivalent 2307 01:57:23.800 --> 01:57:26.479 to their actual level, so you know, you go down, 2308 01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:28.640 you do a level twenty kind of raid in the world, 2309 01:57:28.680 --> 01:57:30.840 and you go help out, but you still get rewards 2310 01:57:30.880 --> 01:57:32.680 for your upper end, so you can still enjoy it. 2311 01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:37.000 Everything you've discussed at this point is about end game content. 2312 01:57:37.439 --> 01:57:40.000 So players that are leveling, they don't get any extra content. 2313 01:57:40.159 --> 01:57:42.119 They might get a few extra quests and stuff like that, 2314 01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:45.279 but all these other systems they didn't. They made it 2315 01:57:45.399 --> 01:57:49.880 so your entire leveling career had extra things. High leveling 2316 01:57:49.920 --> 01:57:55.479 career outside your level you did, you did, but like 2317 01:57:56.479 --> 01:57:58.880 title charm, for example, the amount of times that you 2318 01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:00.880 go a great well, you think and look, you were 2319 01:58:00.920 --> 01:58:03.000 fighting some people that were your level and whatnot, but 2320 01:58:03.079 --> 01:58:05.239 how many times did you accidentally kill someone who was 2321 01:58:05.319 --> 01:58:07.439 like level thirty gum for their title charm with like, oh, 2322 01:58:07.439 --> 01:58:08.000 I'd like to go. 2323 01:58:08.319 --> 01:58:10.239 This was This was during side and it was doing 2324 01:58:10.279 --> 01:58:12.680 a level forty level cap so there was nobody that 2325 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:13.920 was like under level there was. 2326 01:58:14.039 --> 01:58:15.760 I was fighting level forties every. 2327 01:58:15.640 --> 01:58:21.039 Time, level permanently. So every single zone you go into 2328 01:58:21.159 --> 01:58:22.800 has a level carp So if you want to go 2329 01:58:22.920 --> 01:58:25.079 help your mate level up and stuff like that, instead 2330 01:58:25.079 --> 01:58:26.920 of going in there and beating the piss out of 2331 01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:29.760 everything and him not get any experience and not having fun, 2332 01:58:30.239 --> 01:58:32.359 you get d leveled. So it means if you want 2333 01:58:32.359 --> 01:58:34.199 to go level with a mate who's level level, you 2334 01:58:34.319 --> 01:58:36.119 get brought down to his level, and then you get 2335 01:58:36.159 --> 01:58:37.880 to have fun with that because you get to that 2336 01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:41.159 content and get that same challenge that he's getting doing 2337 01:58:41.239 --> 01:58:43.479 those quests. And look, you don't get a question awed, 2338 01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:46.279 but it's a social game. You're playing with your friend 2339 01:58:46.680 --> 01:58:48.600 and you're not You're able to play with him on 2340 01:58:48.680 --> 01:58:51.920 the level that he's playing, so he's not bored doing nothing. 2341 01:58:52.600 --> 01:58:54.600 That those kind of things bring life to the world 2342 01:58:54.600 --> 01:58:57.159 because it's going to make level sixty players go back 2343 01:58:57.239 --> 01:59:00.000 down and do things. Oh there's a raid that's happened 2344 01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:03.560 in elwyn Forrest. Cool, I go down there. I'm part 2345 01:59:03.640 --> 01:59:05.800 of that world. Now, I'm not walking in there like 2346 01:59:05.920 --> 01:59:10.000 some god, swinging my weapon and mass killing everything inside 2347 01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:13.680 your challenge. You're having fun, and all those zones that 2348 01:59:13.760 --> 01:59:15.800 were kind of dead are no longer dead because all 2349 01:59:15.840 --> 01:59:19.079 the players are there, with the leveling players desiring to 2350 01:59:19.119 --> 01:59:21.479 go and do these things because you get rewards of 2351 01:59:21.560 --> 01:59:24.119 your level, but you're part of the world and you're 2352 01:59:24.159 --> 01:59:26.840 keeping it alive and making it so there aren't five 2353 01:59:26.840 --> 01:59:30.279 people leveling in ellen Forest. There's actually forty people down there, 2354 01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:33.560 all doing a massive event because Goldshire is under attack. 2355 01:59:33.920 --> 01:59:36.880 That's great, that's fantastic. That's the world that I want 2356 01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:37.279 to live in. 2357 01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:42.000 I'm with you, I'm with you. I've played, well, we've 2358 01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:45.079 talked about it before. I played Warhammer Online. Final Fantasy 2359 01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:48.039 fourteen does similar stuff. I think the bulk of WOW 2360 01:59:48.159 --> 01:59:51.159 players are against a bulk of Classic players are against 2361 01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:55.039 austanty because they do, like they talk about a lot 2362 01:59:55.199 --> 02:00:01.199 about not having their power progression feel you know, halted. 2363 02:00:02.159 --> 02:00:04.880 You know, they they are obsessed with pressing that one 2364 02:00:04.960 --> 02:00:08.279 button and decimating things because they feel, you know, other 2365 02:00:08.319 --> 02:00:10.439 than the right of gone through the liveling progression. I 2366 02:00:10.520 --> 02:00:12.680 am now mexicable. I've got the b skier. I want 2367 02:00:12.720 --> 02:00:13.319 to storm shit. 2368 02:00:14.560 --> 02:00:17.079 My my perspective would be that if you if you 2369 02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:20.880 allow people to d level, then you invite people to 2370 02:00:21.119 --> 02:00:24.359 the content that it's not intended for. So I think 2371 02:00:24.439 --> 02:00:27.399 that the middle ground that I would want to take 2372 02:00:27.640 --> 02:00:32.039 is put more events in each zone so that while 2373 02:00:32.079 --> 02:00:34.520 you're there, you have more opportunities to get them. So 2374 02:00:34.640 --> 02:00:36.800 if there's like, for example, like in a Raffi basin, 2375 02:00:36.840 --> 02:00:38.560 the only really good rare is the guy that drops 2376 02:00:38.600 --> 02:00:42.039 title charm, right, But if there were like four raars 2377 02:00:42.279 --> 02:00:44.760 that drop things, if you miss the title charm, you 2378 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:46.880 still have like three other chances for there to be 2379 02:00:46.960 --> 02:00:49.359 some rare in the zone while you're there level appropriate 2380 02:00:49.399 --> 02:00:51.920 for you to get it, I think, and instead of 2381 02:00:52.159 --> 02:00:54.680 like all these people flooding the zone that are not 2382 02:00:54.880 --> 02:00:57.359 that level but then get d leveled, it's like then 2383 02:00:57.399 --> 02:01:00.000 you just you. Because that's a problem with world wide 2384 02:01:00.199 --> 02:01:02.960 is is you just create this massive feeding frenzy and 2385 02:01:03.119 --> 02:01:05.880 nobody has fun. Because yeah, I mean it's novel to 2386 02:01:06.000 --> 02:01:08.800 see like one hundred people in one place, but really 2387 02:01:09.399 --> 02:01:11.199 only five of those people or ten of those people 2388 02:01:11.319 --> 02:01:12.880 or twenty of those people are gonna get the thing, 2389 02:01:13.279 --> 02:01:15.600 and so then the novelty of like them a lot 2390 02:01:15.640 --> 02:01:17.439 of people being there is like not that great. 2391 02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:19.159 So I think just up the. 2392 02:01:19.239 --> 02:01:23.239 Amount of unique things per zone, you know, per level 2393 02:01:23.479 --> 02:01:25.880 bracket or whatever, and then that way there's more things 2394 02:01:25.920 --> 02:01:27.880 you can kind of bounce between if there are things 2395 02:01:27.920 --> 02:01:30.560 that are down that would make. 2396 02:01:31.159 --> 02:01:33.439 That would make those zones memorable to people while leveling 2397 02:01:33.520 --> 02:01:33.800 through them. 2398 02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:37.600 Ye, example, I want tied to Tom and my mate Josh, 2399 02:01:37.680 --> 02:01:39.399 he's got a level of sixty and I want it. 2400 02:01:39.560 --> 02:01:40.960 So I just got hey, Jock, can you come in 2401 02:01:40.960 --> 02:01:42.279 here and beat the piss out of the sea so 2402 02:01:42.319 --> 02:01:43.319 I can get the Great Autumn. 2403 02:01:43.720 --> 02:01:45.880 Well, title charm is kind of unique in that it's 2404 02:01:45.960 --> 02:01:48.720 such a good item past the item of the level 2405 02:01:48.760 --> 02:01:50.319 that you get it at. But let let's say that 2406 02:01:50.399 --> 02:01:53.840 these items are more like level appropriate and they don't you. 2407 02:01:53.880 --> 02:01:56.119 Know, tis like you know, if you want to bait 2408 02:01:56.199 --> 02:01:58.520 out someone else getting it, you go, hey, Josh, can 2409 02:01:58.600 --> 02:02:00.159 you come down here and beat the piss out of this? Well, 2410 02:02:00.640 --> 02:02:02.800 then it kind of does take the charm away from 2411 02:02:02.840 --> 02:02:04.880 the player who doesn't have my mate, shure, he's got 2412 02:02:04.920 --> 02:02:07.880 a level sixty to just come and completely wreck this one. 2413 02:02:07.960 --> 02:02:08.159 Mob. 2414 02:02:08.560 --> 02:02:11.520 If you were the leveled and brought down to say forty, 2415 02:02:11.800 --> 02:02:14.079 and you went down, then you'd be helping your friend, 2416 02:02:14.399 --> 02:02:16.359 not coming down there just to quickly wipe it. 2417 02:02:16.560 --> 02:02:18.439 So, you know, you guess so. 2418 02:02:18.640 --> 02:02:21.439 But if you if you've got PvP, that would be 2419 02:02:21.520 --> 02:02:23.640 even better because then you'd both be fighting at an 2420 02:02:23.640 --> 02:02:24.119 equal level. 2421 02:02:24.640 --> 02:02:27.840 Don't get me started. Don't get me started on equal 2422 02:02:27.920 --> 02:02:31.840 livees to PvP. Anyway, John's heard enough, he said, fuck this, 2423 02:02:32.079 --> 02:02:33.840 I need to weigh in. How are you mate? 2424 02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:36.640 Well, I don't really have anything to say. I just 2425 02:02:36.720 --> 02:02:38.479 wanted to turn off my Twitch because I'm going to 2426 02:02:38.720 --> 02:02:42.039 play and I just want listening on you guys. All good, 2427 02:02:42.239 --> 02:02:45.039 all good. It's interesting to listen to. It's just like, okay, 2428 02:02:45.760 --> 02:02:46.920 don't tell DC that. 2429 02:02:47.680 --> 02:02:49.359 Don't tell DC, won't stop. 2430 02:02:50.720 --> 02:02:53.239 It's still just the same thing though. It's like if 2431 02:02:55.560 --> 02:02:57.640 once there's nothing out for you to get in the 2432 02:02:57.680 --> 02:03:02.279 open world and people disappear and call it whatever you 2433 02:03:02.359 --> 02:03:04.600 want to, you know, call it via farm, but once 2434 02:03:04.720 --> 02:03:08.800 I don't need it anymore, the people just don't do 2435 02:03:08.920 --> 02:03:09.399 that content. 2436 02:03:11.159 --> 02:03:11.800 Yeah, I agree. 2437 02:03:11.840 --> 02:03:16.680 I mean, yeah, look, I'm not opposed to them adding 2438 02:03:16.760 --> 02:03:20.600 more things that are, you know, appealing things to spend 2439 02:03:20.640 --> 02:03:22.079 your time on trying to acquire. 2440 02:03:22.159 --> 02:03:23.560 I'm not that way at all. 2441 02:03:23.680 --> 02:03:26.760 I just you know, going back to my original point 2442 02:03:26.920 --> 02:03:29.800 is like, as long as it's something that you have 2443 02:03:29.920 --> 02:03:32.640 to actually put effort into doing, like you have to 2444 02:03:32.680 --> 02:03:34.760 move your character physically through the world to get there, 2445 02:03:34.800 --> 02:03:36.520 you have to spend a certain amount of time waiting 2446 02:03:36.600 --> 02:03:38.560 for the thing to spawn, making sure you get the tag, 2447 02:03:38.680 --> 02:03:42.199 killing it successfully without dying or getting griefed. As long 2448 02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:43.479 as you have to do that so that when you 2449 02:03:43.600 --> 02:03:45.720 have the item, people marvel at the fact that you 2450 02:03:45.920 --> 02:03:48.960 have it, then I think that that's the most important 2451 02:03:49.000 --> 02:03:51.920 thing to preserve, because that's what's lost, in my opinion, 2452 02:03:52.079 --> 02:03:55.000 in the further iterations of the game where they want 2453 02:03:55.039 --> 02:03:58.399 to equalize everyone's access to everything, and I kind of 2454 02:03:58.680 --> 02:04:03.640 like that oppress nature of access in classic Wow is 2455 02:04:03.720 --> 02:04:07.479 that you don't just get to get the all the things. 2456 02:04:07.880 --> 02:04:09.479 You only get to get the things that you're willing 2457 02:04:09.560 --> 02:04:12.399 to work towards. And some things are a giant fucking 2458 02:04:12.439 --> 02:04:15.960 pain in the ass and they're horrible to actually acquire. 2459 02:04:16.079 --> 02:04:17.800 But then once you get it, it's like you feel 2460 02:04:17.840 --> 02:04:20.079 that power on your character forever. And I think that's 2461 02:04:20.159 --> 02:04:21.880 like the thing that you want to preserve. So if 2462 02:04:21.880 --> 02:04:23.319 you want to throw more things into the world that 2463 02:04:23.439 --> 02:04:26.359 give people that opportunity, I'm totally for that, as long 2464 02:04:26.359 --> 02:04:30.039 as we preserve that philosophy of like, you know, they 2465 02:04:30.199 --> 02:04:32.000 look at you and they're like, oh, fuck, dude. That 2466 02:04:32.119 --> 02:04:34.039 means this guy went to fucking a raffi and he 2467 02:04:34.119 --> 02:04:36.199 waited there for like forty eight hours and need to 2468 02:04:36.279 --> 02:04:39.039 fight a bunch of people in the water as a rogue. 2469 02:04:39.279 --> 02:04:43.199 That fucking sucks, uh, and you know, and then had 2470 02:04:43.239 --> 02:04:45.319 to like get the spawn and kill it and like 2471 02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:48.720 had it. You know, I had to kill fucking god, 2472 02:04:48.760 --> 02:04:51.600 I don't remember his name now, Emperor, title whatever. I 2473 02:04:51.640 --> 02:04:53.079 had to kill him four times before I got my 2474 02:04:53.159 --> 02:04:56.079 title charm, and I saw it drop once and gave 2475 02:04:56.119 --> 02:04:58.399 it to the first time. It dropped on my first kill, 2476 02:04:58.479 --> 02:05:00.039 but I was with her with somebody else, and I 2477 02:05:00.119 --> 02:05:01.039 gave it to him instead. 2478 02:05:01.319 --> 02:05:04.600 Oh, here we go. You've benevolent and wonderful person. Auntie. 2479 02:05:04.760 --> 02:05:06.760 Let me let me just before I forget Antie, let 2480 02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:07.760 me get you. I said, I was going to get 2481 02:05:07.800 --> 02:05:12.600 you to vote on Rowe Hearim's suggestion of the World 2482 02:05:12.720 --> 02:05:16.920 boss that once he gets killed, he immediately responds in 2483 02:05:16.960 --> 02:05:18.520 a different part of the world. Were you on board 2484 02:05:18.560 --> 02:05:19.520 with that suggestion or not? 2485 02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:21.000 Oh? No, I love that. 2486 02:05:21.560 --> 02:05:23.880 I love that regardless if it's the same boss or 2487 02:05:23.920 --> 02:05:26.239 a different boss kind of thing or whatever it happens 2488 02:05:26.279 --> 02:05:26.479 to be. 2489 02:05:26.760 --> 02:05:27.600 I love the fact. 2490 02:05:27.680 --> 02:05:30.119 And then make it so it's like maybe just like 2491 02:05:30.239 --> 02:05:33.319 a yell announcement in things, so then you know it's 2492 02:05:33.359 --> 02:05:36.039 all word of mouth, or you know, my mate said 2493 02:05:36.039 --> 02:05:38.479 that he saw the world announcement, so you've got people rushing. 2494 02:05:38.560 --> 02:05:39.039 I love that. 2495 02:05:39.239 --> 02:05:39.760 That's great. 2496 02:05:40.039 --> 02:05:42.520 I agree. I agree John. Out of interest, if you 2497 02:05:42.560 --> 02:05:44.079 want to get in on the jury on this one 2498 02:05:44.159 --> 02:05:45.800 with you four or against that idea. 2499 02:05:47.159 --> 02:05:49.960 Well I had to step away, and sorry, I'll explain. 2500 02:05:49.640 --> 02:05:51.560 It to you, said. The suggestion, the suggestion from rowe 2501 02:05:51.600 --> 02:05:57.319 Herem was what if we had a situation where a 2502 02:05:57.520 --> 02:05:59.800 because we're talking about world bosses and whether people like 2503 02:06:00.039 --> 02:06:02.439 instanced world bosses in SOD or if they like, you know, 2504 02:06:02.640 --> 02:06:06.439 the lockdown able, grievable world bosses of Vanilla and whatnot. 2505 02:06:06.720 --> 02:06:08.520 And rote hear Him came in and said, what if 2506 02:06:08.560 --> 02:06:10.760 you had a world boss that just like, as soon 2507 02:06:10.840 --> 02:06:13.840 as it died, it literally respawns straight away. Just he 2508 02:06:13.880 --> 02:06:16.319 could respawn anywhere in the world, So there was kind 2509 02:06:16.319 --> 02:06:19.159 of like a treasure hunting aspect to it, and you 2510 02:06:19.199 --> 02:06:21.239 could only do it and you can and he goes like, 2511 02:06:21.319 --> 02:06:23.680 once you could only get the kill once a week. 2512 02:06:23.840 --> 02:06:26.680 So once you've done it for that week, your group 2513 02:06:26.920 --> 02:06:29.680 was done and it instantly responds for another group somewhere 2514 02:06:29.680 --> 02:06:30.840 in the world and they got to find it. 2515 02:06:34.159 --> 02:06:37.279 I guess that sounds kind of classic. I just don't. 2516 02:06:37.319 --> 02:06:39.159 I mean, and I guess it's classic because of the 2517 02:06:39.279 --> 02:06:42.159 kind of friction. We're just like, hey, here's a time 2518 02:06:42.239 --> 02:06:46.359 spender because you're just running around, well you're probably not 2519 02:06:46.399 --> 02:06:48.279 even gonna run around. People are gonna wind up seeing it, 2520 02:06:48.439 --> 02:06:50.319 or it's going to have like some sort of news 2521 02:06:50.359 --> 02:06:54.560 flash in the zone and have some rp ooh this 2522 02:06:54.680 --> 02:06:56.960 world boss has just appeared and he's going to some 2523 02:06:57.159 --> 02:07:00.279 and bad stuff and you just have to get there 2524 02:07:01.199 --> 02:07:04.079 before other people. I mean, it's it's whatever. I mean, 2525 02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:07.279 I couldn't care. It's it is very classic there. 2526 02:07:08.920 --> 02:07:11.399 I will say another system that Warhammer Online had that 2527 02:07:11.560 --> 02:07:14.520 I thought always brought flavor of the world. Like we're 2528 02:07:14.520 --> 02:07:17.000 all vain players. We all want our players characters to 2529 02:07:17.079 --> 02:07:19.199 look amazing and stuff like that because we love standing 2530 02:07:19.199 --> 02:07:23.560 in ogama and flexing whatever. But the achievement system in 2531 02:07:23.640 --> 02:07:28.000 Warhamer Online where you got small rewards from like killing 2532 02:07:28.159 --> 02:07:30.800 like five thousand boars, and it would be like a 2533 02:07:30.840 --> 02:07:33.760 small little trophy that you can hang on your armor. Yes, 2534 02:07:34.079 --> 02:07:36.560 a billion times over, please. 2535 02:07:36.800 --> 02:07:38.479 I'm so glad you mentioned that. I was going to 2536 02:07:38.520 --> 02:07:40.800 say this half an hour ago Anti and thought, no, 2537 02:07:41.119 --> 02:07:43.279 the guys will go after me for being a fucking 2538 02:07:43.760 --> 02:07:45.560 retail fan in classic disguise. 2539 02:07:45.680 --> 02:07:46.039 I don't know. 2540 02:07:46.119 --> 02:07:48.960 Whatever, but I thought to that point I was going 2541 02:07:49.039 --> 02:07:51.600 to say, like, I don't know how to word this 2542 02:07:51.800 --> 02:07:54.720 correctly because it sounds like I want everything for nothing, 2543 02:07:54.800 --> 02:07:57.279 but I don't. I was like, how do we make 2544 02:07:58.279 --> 02:08:03.840 generic mob killer in the world more meaningful. And I'm like, oh, 2545 02:08:04.039 --> 02:08:08.239 if I say something like more frequent, meaningful loot, well 2546 02:08:08.319 --> 02:08:11.239 that's not really necessarily what I want. That just makes 2547 02:08:11.279 --> 02:08:14.000 me sound like I want to fucking pinata available at 2548 02:08:14.000 --> 02:08:18.239 all times by mowing down non eliteset level sixty or whatnot. 2549 02:08:18.359 --> 02:08:21.439 But like I was, like, I wish there was some 2550 02:08:21.880 --> 02:08:26.640 kind of system that if I were bored shitlers and 2551 02:08:26.760 --> 02:08:28.960 I just want to go, just go on a killing 2552 02:08:29.039 --> 02:08:31.239 spree and just go. I'm just killing every fucking mob 2553 02:08:31.399 --> 02:08:35.000 I see tonight, and I'm not necessarily you know, chasing 2554 02:08:35.119 --> 02:08:39.399 one item or a particular blue trading material or whatever 2555 02:08:39.439 --> 02:08:41.560 it might be. I just want to go and mind 2556 02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:44.840 numbingly kill mobs. How do you, like, how do you 2557 02:08:44.920 --> 02:08:47.800 tie that into a value to the player? And I 2558 02:08:47.840 --> 02:08:50.760 mean maybe your suggestion, is it anti? Like I was 2559 02:08:50.840 --> 02:08:53.479 just sort of like, is there a way to get 2560 02:08:53.640 --> 02:08:56.560 like we need to get players in the open world. 2561 02:08:56.680 --> 02:08:59.199 That's the whole point of making the The world is 2562 02:08:59.279 --> 02:09:03.239 the main character. So like, stop people raid logging, give 2563 02:09:03.319 --> 02:09:06.359 them a reason to be like, no, bro, I'm not 2564 02:09:06.560 --> 02:09:10.000 going to that dungeon. I'm going to the open world. 2565 02:09:10.760 --> 02:09:14.039 And you know, maybe your suggestion is one something you 2566 02:09:14.079 --> 02:09:14.319 could do. 2567 02:09:14.439 --> 02:09:18.760 Anti Warmmer Online did a great the amount of titles 2568 02:09:18.800 --> 02:09:20.600 that you could get, and look, they were titles that 2569 02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:22.840 you would see constantly. You see them in WILPVP, and 2570 02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:24.199 there were some people that you would see on the 2571 02:09:24.239 --> 02:09:26.000 other time where they're told to be like, damn, that 2572 02:09:26.119 --> 02:09:29.319 dude's put the work in, Like that's a really difficult 2573 02:09:29.359 --> 02:09:32.720 thing to do. But little things like my Warrior priests 2574 02:09:32.800 --> 02:09:35.119 had seals all over him, and I had a trophy 2575 02:09:35.239 --> 02:09:37.479 on my little belt and I don't care if anyone 2576 02:09:37.520 --> 02:09:39.600 else didn't see it. I think I look bad as 2577 02:09:39.800 --> 02:09:42.239 I was standing with my big warhammer with like seals 2578 02:09:42.319 --> 02:09:45.199 hanging off all over like seals is in the wamar online. 2579 02:09:45.319 --> 02:09:49.079 The little standy's like waxing seals, not seals. 2580 02:09:49.239 --> 02:09:49.359 You know. 2581 02:09:50.760 --> 02:09:53.000 Yeah, but I look cool. And you see some like 2582 02:09:53.119 --> 02:09:55.800 Destro players who have got like skulls hanging from their 2583 02:09:55.840 --> 02:09:59.039 weapons and stuff, and those little flavor things make it 2584 02:09:59.199 --> 02:10:01.520 so you wan to go and get them. They're all 2585 02:10:01.760 --> 02:10:04.319 we're all grinders. We play a grindy game, and those 2586 02:10:04.359 --> 02:10:07.319 things where it's like chill five thousand little rat folks. 2587 02:10:07.359 --> 02:10:10.000 And you can get the title of like the Pied Piper. 2588 02:10:10.079 --> 02:10:12.399 It's just like, oh my god, all right, I want 2589 02:10:12.399 --> 02:10:14.000 to be Anti Cenan's the Pied Piper. 2590 02:10:14.159 --> 02:10:14.520 Why not. 2591 02:10:16.239 --> 02:10:16.560 My thing? 2592 02:10:17.199 --> 02:10:19.640 My thing is less so sorry you go gigantor. 2593 02:10:21.239 --> 02:10:21.279 No. 2594 02:10:21.439 --> 02:10:22.399 I was just thinking about it. 2595 02:10:22.560 --> 02:10:26.159 Something to keep people interested in other content, and that's 2596 02:10:26.279 --> 02:10:29.560 like their level. Maybe open up the loop tables, they're 2597 02:10:29.600 --> 02:10:30.359 not so restricted. 2598 02:10:31.359 --> 02:10:35.279 My thing is less less like achievement based than Anti said, 2599 02:10:35.439 --> 02:10:37.399 but maybe more of along the lines that you're going 2600 02:10:37.479 --> 02:10:43.079 to gigant or where like I need something reward wise 2601 02:10:43.880 --> 02:10:46.199 that at the MMO that wins at the end of 2602 02:10:46.239 --> 02:10:48.000 the day. And I just said it, but I'll say 2603 02:10:48.000 --> 02:10:51.159 it again, is the one that creates an equal argument 2604 02:10:51.239 --> 02:10:54.560 in the player's mind for going to instance content versus 2605 02:10:54.680 --> 02:10:59.479 non instance content. And you you should be genuinely torn about, Oh, 2606 02:11:00.000 --> 02:11:02.399 I've only got an hour to play tonight. Do I 2607 02:11:02.560 --> 02:11:06.920 do two dungeons or do I spend that hour chasing 2608 02:11:07.039 --> 02:11:09.319 the thing or killing these mobs in the open world? 2609 02:11:09.800 --> 02:11:12.479 You know, not because i'm you know, and I'm talking 2610 02:11:12.600 --> 02:11:16.079 outside of gathering and just chasing you know, your title 2611 02:11:16.199 --> 02:11:16.960 charm or whatnot. 2612 02:11:19.760 --> 02:11:21.920 My thought is, you know, how mobs are currently tied 2613 02:11:21.960 --> 02:11:24.159 to their level bracket for the items that they drop. 2614 02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:27.079 Do you kill level five four, you'll probably get anywhere 2615 02:11:27.119 --> 02:11:30.439 from level five to ten items that are usually green 2616 02:11:30.520 --> 02:11:30.840 or blue. 2617 02:11:32.199 --> 02:11:35.319 I would say I would like for that there'll be. 2618 02:11:35.399 --> 02:11:37.960 A low chance of higher level items that could possibly 2619 02:11:38.039 --> 02:11:41.000 drop outside of their brackets. So like a forty fifty items, 2620 02:11:41.600 --> 02:11:44.680 but they're just as rare as those boe ethics that 2621 02:11:44.760 --> 02:11:47.319 we see at the higher level of like fifty a sixty. 2622 02:11:52.119 --> 02:11:54.840 Yeah, I don't think the ability to kill, Yeah, I 2623 02:11:54.880 --> 02:11:56.439 don't think that's I think that's. 2624 02:11:56.279 --> 02:11:57.399 A great one, extremely rare. 2625 02:11:57.479 --> 02:11:57.880 That's the thing. 2626 02:11:58.359 --> 02:12:02.760 So under no, But then gigant or the problem is 2627 02:12:02.800 --> 02:12:06.199 you've opened the door for the mage to go down 2628 02:12:06.279 --> 02:12:09.760 and spam arcane explosion on level one bores chasing that 2629 02:12:09.960 --> 02:12:12.600 point one point zero one percent chance he'll get a 2630 02:12:12.720 --> 02:12:15.479 phenomenal level sixty item. I'm I love you, I love 2631 02:12:15.560 --> 02:12:17.640 that you're using your noodle, But I don't think that 2632 02:12:17.760 --> 02:12:18.119 one's it. 2633 02:12:19.159 --> 02:12:22.439 No, not that far technically extreme, So like a level 2634 02:12:22.520 --> 02:12:24.359 five would get like a level forty green. 2635 02:12:25.960 --> 02:12:27.600 Yet I'm okay. 2636 02:12:27.880 --> 02:12:30.960 I still, I'm still here's what I'll take you, I'll 2637 02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:31.560 take useless. 2638 02:12:31.880 --> 02:12:35.119 Yeah, Oh, it's just a goal you can sell it 2639 02:12:35.159 --> 02:12:35.319 for it. 2640 02:12:35.560 --> 02:12:38.960 I'll take your idea, and just can I add this 2641 02:12:39.079 --> 02:12:42.359 one thing though? Just he's what Gigantor has just said, 2642 02:12:42.479 --> 02:12:45.760 luckily enough, has spawned this light bulb over my head. 2643 02:12:46.600 --> 02:12:48.880 Tell me if I'm crazy for saying this. I think 2644 02:12:49.000 --> 02:12:52.279 the concept of mobs dropping green items that are five 2645 02:12:52.359 --> 02:12:55.199 levels below the level of the mob is incredibly archaic 2646 02:12:55.359 --> 02:12:57.159 and I'm fucking sick of it, and I want mobs 2647 02:12:57.199 --> 02:13:02.760 to drop there at level items. Yes or no to 2648 02:13:02.840 --> 02:13:05.960 that one? I guess that's fine. I mean, does that 2649 02:13:06.079 --> 02:13:09.520 past the smell test. I didn't even know that they 2650 02:13:09.560 --> 02:13:14.079 were restricted to five five levels below? Baby, Oh, well 2651 02:13:14.279 --> 02:13:16.680 you know that sucks. Yeah, so you're the you're the 2652 02:13:16.760 --> 02:13:20.800 level thirty siks leveling paladine. Congratulations on your new level 2653 02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:24.760 thirty one gloves. When you killed the level thirty siks mob. 2654 02:13:26.079 --> 02:13:28.880 I mean, I guess it technically incentivizes people to actually 2655 02:13:28.960 --> 02:13:32.399 run dungeons for gear that's level appropriate, and then if 2656 02:13:32.439 --> 02:13:33.479 you're outside. 2657 02:13:33.079 --> 02:13:37.600 You're just a little flower. I guess so, I ie. 2658 02:13:37.840 --> 02:13:39.800 One thing that you said that I kind of want 2659 02:13:39.840 --> 02:13:42.880 to poke at a bit is that you said so 2660 02:13:44.000 --> 02:13:45.800 because this kind of like rubs me the wrong way 2661 02:13:45.960 --> 02:13:48.119 is like, I don't you said that if you can 2662 02:13:48.159 --> 02:13:49.920 only log on for like an hour a night, and 2663 02:13:50.000 --> 02:13:51.520 I just kind of want to stop you right there. 2664 02:13:51.560 --> 02:13:54.560 It's like, I don't think MMOs are games that you 2665 02:13:54.600 --> 02:13:57.199 should be able to get a lot accomplished. 2666 02:13:56.600 --> 02:13:58.960 If you only like have Yeah, but now now you're 2667 02:13:59.159 --> 02:14:02.880 you're dangerously encroaching on you're living in a world that 2668 02:14:02.920 --> 02:14:05.680 doesn't exist anymore. I mean, look, this is this is well, 2669 02:14:06.680 --> 02:14:07.479 that's a great point. 2670 02:14:08.520 --> 02:14:10.000 I think that's a great point as well. I was 2671 02:14:10.039 --> 02:14:12.119 actually gonna say that, like I kind of think that 2672 02:14:12.840 --> 02:14:15.359 the way that people play these games anymore is like 2673 02:14:15.439 --> 02:14:17.119 I don't think that I think a lot of people 2674 02:14:17.640 --> 02:14:19.840 like raid logging. I don't think that there is Like 2675 02:14:20.199 --> 02:14:22.760 I think that if you take all these steps to 2676 02:14:22.880 --> 02:14:25.600 make the world like the main character, you might just 2677 02:14:25.840 --> 02:14:27.680 miss the mark and like just make a lot of 2678 02:14:27.720 --> 02:14:29.680 content that a lot of people aren't going to engage 2679 02:14:29.760 --> 02:14:31.880 with because I think that like, yeah, we're going to 2680 02:14:31.960 --> 02:14:35.279 talk about player realities. I just don't think that's the 2681 02:14:35.319 --> 02:14:37.640 way that people engage with these kind of games anymore. 2682 02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:41.199 People like playing an MMO kind of seasonally, they've kind 2683 02:14:41.199 --> 02:14:43.119 of been conditioned to play it that way and do 2684 02:14:43.279 --> 02:14:46.279 the raid logging thing. Not really everybody wants to live 2685 02:14:46.359 --> 02:14:50.239 and breathe. And this is why when you hear people like, God, 2686 02:14:50.359 --> 02:14:52.560 what's the fucking rogues name that always says like bunk Hi, 2687 02:14:52.680 --> 02:14:56.399 I forgot his name, but he he will advocate for 2688 02:14:56.640 --> 02:15:00.600 like one layer servers and you know all these really 2689 02:15:00.680 --> 02:15:04.600 strict and stringent kind of so like no queuing you know, 2690 02:15:05.159 --> 02:15:07.439 things like that, or not no queuing of like like 2691 02:15:07.720 --> 02:15:10.600 like uh, server caps and stuff like that, so that 2692 02:15:10.680 --> 02:15:13.319 you are trying to like queue into the server to 2693 02:15:13.439 --> 02:15:15.680 create these like social bonds and stuff like that. And 2694 02:15:15.720 --> 02:15:19.399 it's you know, he's really trying to aim for you know, 2695 02:15:19.520 --> 02:15:22.439 that wow of old, that vanilla of old kind of 2696 02:15:22.560 --> 02:15:25.520 social experience. But I just don't think that the audience 2697 02:15:25.640 --> 02:15:27.600 is really there for that anymore. 2698 02:15:27.920 --> 02:15:28.720 So you do have to. 2699 02:15:29.239 --> 02:15:35.399 Really it is a difficult It's very difficult. The game 2700 02:15:35.520 --> 02:15:38.000 is like how do you how do you design it nowadays? 2701 02:15:38.079 --> 02:15:41.720 Do you do you design it with preserving those old 2702 02:15:41.840 --> 02:15:44.479 world principles in mind, or do you design it for 2703 02:15:44.680 --> 02:15:47.279 the reality of like the way that people play video games. 2704 02:15:47.399 --> 02:15:50.359 And that's the incredible difficulty because then do you think 2705 02:15:50.359 --> 02:15:53.119 there's a lot you have to try and do both, 2706 02:15:53.239 --> 02:15:55.560 and everyone would say, then you've already failed because you're 2707 02:15:55.560 --> 02:15:57.239 trying to make a game for everyone. Sorry the guy 2708 02:15:57.239 --> 02:16:01.199 you're trying to talk about sharp by the way. Yeah, 2709 02:16:02.000 --> 02:16:07.079 but like this is the disagree more so, I'm just 2710 02:16:07.079 --> 02:16:08.880 gonna run and chat to my wife for two second year. 2711 02:16:08.880 --> 02:16:12.239 You have nothing to do people, right, look, because there 2712 02:16:12.319 --> 02:16:15.319 is nothing to do that isn't just repetitive minority stuff 2713 02:16:15.399 --> 02:16:18.159 in this game that is absolutely no reward up for 2714 02:16:18.159 --> 02:16:22.319 a certain point, Warhammer Online has still got an absolutely 2715 02:16:22.399 --> 02:16:25.560 beautiful private server running that gets three to four thousand 2716 02:16:25.640 --> 02:16:29.199 players concurrently on there, and there is constantly people logging 2717 02:16:29.319 --> 02:16:32.559 in to do PvP and to do world content they 2718 02:16:32.719 --> 02:16:34.760 played because they want to play and they want to 2719 02:16:34.799 --> 02:16:35.639 do things meaningful. 2720 02:16:35.799 --> 02:16:35.959 Yeah. 2721 02:16:35.959 --> 02:16:37.799 I mean it sounds like you're making my point for me. 2722 02:16:37.920 --> 02:16:39.959 You're saying that there is like a small minority of 2723 02:16:40.040 --> 02:16:42.239 players that love playing and spending all their time in 2724 02:16:42.280 --> 02:16:44.120 a game like no matter what. And I agree with you, 2725 02:16:44.520 --> 02:16:46.920 but I agree on the fact that it's a small minority. 2726 02:16:47.000 --> 02:16:49.959 I think the vast majority of players the interface with 2727 02:16:50.079 --> 02:16:53.559 games now are interested in the more fleeting you know, 2728 02:16:53.680 --> 02:16:57.040 kind of like one hour sessions or like seasonal sessions 2729 02:16:57.040 --> 02:16:58.479 where they kind of come in and they have a 2730 02:16:58.559 --> 02:17:00.239 goal and they meet it within a week and then 2731 02:17:00.239 --> 02:17:02.559 they kind of stop playing, like move on to something else. 2732 02:17:03.079 --> 02:17:05.200 I would like it to be not the case, but 2733 02:17:05.399 --> 02:17:07.559 I don't think that that is the case anymore. And 2734 02:17:07.600 --> 02:17:09.559 I don't think that you could also have a game 2735 02:17:09.959 --> 02:17:12.120 where the world is filled with so much content that 2736 02:17:12.280 --> 02:17:14.559 is equal on rewards to the level of stuff that 2737 02:17:14.600 --> 02:17:16.879 you would get in raids or whatever, because then you 2738 02:17:17.040 --> 02:17:20.079 kind of defeat the purpose of doing the raids. So 2739 02:17:20.479 --> 02:17:22.920 I think that that's just like I just think that 2740 02:17:23.000 --> 02:17:24.879 that's just like a type of gamer that doesn't really 2741 02:17:25.000 --> 02:17:27.399 like exist that much anymore. We're all nostalgic for it, 2742 02:17:27.479 --> 02:17:29.680 and we also kind of it kind of appeals to us, 2743 02:17:29.920 --> 02:17:32.879 you know. I was advocating earlier before about like getting 2744 02:17:32.920 --> 02:17:35.239 rewarded for putting hours and hours and hours into the game, 2745 02:17:35.280 --> 02:17:38.879 and I think that that's the philosophy that should be reserved. 2746 02:17:38.959 --> 02:17:40.639 But I think that's a major turnoff for a lot 2747 02:17:40.680 --> 02:17:43.000 of people. And that's why people do like Dungeon Finder 2748 02:17:43.079 --> 02:17:45.079 and stuff like that, because they like, they're like, oh, 2749 02:17:45.120 --> 02:17:46.760 I only have forty five minutes, so I want to 2750 02:17:46.760 --> 02:17:49.239 be able to grind out three dungeons real quick and 2751 02:17:49.319 --> 02:17:51.000 see if I get that one item that I need. 2752 02:17:52.000 --> 02:17:54.159 I think that players like us that like really appreciate 2753 02:17:54.280 --> 02:17:56.399 like living in the world, like treating this as our 2754 02:17:56.440 --> 02:17:58.280 second life. I think we are in the minority. 2755 02:18:01.319 --> 02:18:03.200 See, I just don't think it's true. I think that 2756 02:18:03.559 --> 02:18:07.559 people have become like become this because of the world. 2757 02:18:07.559 --> 02:18:08.920 I mean, the wider people buy gold. 2758 02:18:09.239 --> 02:18:11.639 If people if people really loved being in the game 2759 02:18:11.719 --> 02:18:13.719 and they just needed a reason to play, they wouldn't 2760 02:18:13.719 --> 02:18:15.840 buy gold because they would just go grind it because 2761 02:18:15.879 --> 02:18:17.559 the game is so enthralling. 2762 02:18:17.680 --> 02:18:18.840 And that's a rule. 2763 02:18:19.840 --> 02:18:23.120 I mean, I think I enjoyed people. 2764 02:18:23.159 --> 02:18:24.200 I mean I disagree. 2765 02:18:24.479 --> 02:18:24.600 Now. 2766 02:18:24.719 --> 02:18:27.719 What I disagree though, that I think grinding gold is fun. 2767 02:18:27.799 --> 02:18:29.559 I think that like going to a place like I 2768 02:18:29.639 --> 02:18:32.479 think going to tears Hand as a rogue and farming 2769 02:18:32.559 --> 02:18:35.479 for an hour is really fun and really meaningful because 2770 02:18:35.520 --> 02:18:36.959 I know that the gold that I make puts me 2771 02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:39.079 ahead of other players. So now what we did we 2772 02:18:39.680 --> 02:18:42.319 you know, we just disagree on this like subject subjective. 2773 02:18:42.440 --> 02:18:46.760 Uh, don't get me wrong. I am currently right now 2774 02:18:46.920 --> 02:18:52.399 and just sorry. And because I don't want to plays. 2775 02:18:51.120 --> 02:18:51.639 I am that. 2776 02:18:53.959 --> 02:18:56.120 I'm with you, Yeah, I'm with you, but like most 2777 02:18:56.159 --> 02:18:58.719 people aren't like that, and they'd rather just pay a 2778 02:18:59.120 --> 02:19:00.959 G two G and get it sent to their mail 2779 02:19:01.319 --> 02:19:02.079 and then catch up. 2780 02:19:03.479 --> 02:19:06.639 We like grinding because we enjoy grinding. They should be 2781 02:19:06.799 --> 02:19:08.719 other things in the world that you can do to 2782 02:19:08.879 --> 02:19:13.840 any money, and those things, unfortunately don't really ceaset in 2783 02:19:13.879 --> 02:19:14.600 this card. 2784 02:19:14.920 --> 02:19:18.319 That that kind of like blies like why gdkps are 2785 02:19:18.360 --> 02:19:21.040 so popular because people only want the one thing in 2786 02:19:21.120 --> 02:19:23.239 the game that they do to service all their needs. 2787 02:19:23.280 --> 02:19:25.360 That's why. Because people only like rating. 2788 02:19:25.479 --> 02:19:27.920 So that's why gdkps became a thing, because they're like, 2789 02:19:28.239 --> 02:19:30.600 I could raid and make money at the same time, 2790 02:19:30.840 --> 02:19:34.280 because otherwise, if you couldn't make money through rating, they would. 2791 02:19:34.120 --> 02:19:35.040 Just fucking not do it. 2792 02:19:35.159 --> 02:19:37.200 And we know that they don't because in the in 2793 02:19:37.280 --> 02:19:39.280 the version of the game where gdkps are banned, they 2794 02:19:39.399 --> 02:19:41.200 just buy it, So I. 2795 02:19:41.719 --> 02:19:44.959 Do just think they don't stop. They also buy it 2796 02:19:45.040 --> 02:19:48.399 in the version of the game that has gdkps. Sure, 2797 02:19:48.520 --> 02:19:52.399 sometimes that too, I mean sometimes, not fucking sometimes all 2798 02:19:52.479 --> 02:19:52.840 the time. 2799 02:19:54.319 --> 02:19:56.399 I just think that like we we have to come 2800 02:19:56.479 --> 02:19:59.799 to grips where like like you know, the classic community 2801 02:19:59.879 --> 02:20:01.600 is stuff like that but you know, dude, there's people 2802 02:20:01.719 --> 02:20:04.639 like God that there's that one guy that's part of 2803 02:20:04.719 --> 02:20:07.319 this community and he's got the crazy fucking accent and 2804 02:20:07.399 --> 02:20:09.520 he's like such a vanilla purist and he does like 2805 02:20:09.559 --> 02:20:10.239 max round. 2806 02:20:11.799 --> 02:20:17.120 About uhhana, thank you yah sahana. Yeah. 2807 02:20:17.559 --> 02:20:20.840 You know people like that, you know, they're they're like 2808 02:20:20.959 --> 02:20:21.920 fucking unicorns. 2809 02:20:21.959 --> 02:20:22.079 Man. 2810 02:20:22.159 --> 02:20:24.840 They just we just don't exist in like big packs anymore. 2811 02:20:24.879 --> 02:20:27.239 And it's like it is this these people that have 2812 02:20:27.319 --> 02:20:30.120 been brought up on like battle passes and seasons and 2813 02:20:30.200 --> 02:20:32.239 all this stuff, and like, I just don't think that 2814 02:20:32.360 --> 02:20:36.000 they are really interested in engaging. 2815 02:20:35.680 --> 02:20:37.799 With just dude, you know what. 2816 02:20:38.000 --> 02:20:39.319 You know, one of the things that I find the 2817 02:20:39.520 --> 02:20:43.280 most frustrating about discussing modern games with people is when 2818 02:20:43.280 --> 02:20:46.440 they invoke dopamine. When they try and tell you how 2819 02:20:46.520 --> 02:20:47.959 good a game is based on like. 2820 02:20:48.040 --> 02:20:49.520 How much dopamine it gives you. 2821 02:20:49.959 --> 02:20:53.440 I just want to rip their fucking heart out of 2822 02:20:53.479 --> 02:20:55.799 their body and let them die, because you're missing the 2823 02:20:55.879 --> 02:21:01.520 fucking pointing names used to get developed because they were 2824 02:21:01.600 --> 02:21:03.440 just good on their own, you know. Like for example, 2825 02:21:03.479 --> 02:21:05.559 when you level in Wow, when you level up and 2826 02:21:05.639 --> 02:21:08.360 you ding, it's like, yeah, your character gets like a 2827 02:21:08.360 --> 02:21:10.559 little light flash around it and it makes a big noise. 2828 02:21:10.639 --> 02:21:12.479 But like the developer wasn't like, oh, this is gonna 2829 02:21:12.479 --> 02:21:13.879 give them so much dopamine. 2830 02:21:14.239 --> 02:21:18.559 They were just trying to make like a card settled down, 2831 02:21:18.680 --> 02:21:20.920 settled down. You raise a good point. I just want 2832 02:21:20.959 --> 02:21:22.040 to spring it back a little bit. 2833 02:21:22.120 --> 02:21:24.479 Sorry, but I think that that's what like that what 2834 02:21:24.559 --> 02:21:26.159 I'm saying is that, like, I think that that's what 2835 02:21:26.319 --> 02:21:27.879 modern gamers have been. 2836 02:21:29.239 --> 02:21:32.799 Trained to seek. They want stuff that is constantly giving 2837 02:21:32.840 --> 02:21:34.959 them dopamine and giving them all these hits. They just 2838 02:21:35.120 --> 02:21:37.479 can't see they missed the forest for the trees. 2839 02:21:37.559 --> 02:21:38.760 They can't just play a. 2840 02:21:38.799 --> 02:21:39.680 Game that is fun. 2841 02:21:39.879 --> 02:21:44.360 It needs to be engineered to be dripping dopamine into 2842 02:21:44.399 --> 02:21:47.159 their serotonin receptors or how the fuck your brain works 2843 02:21:47.280 --> 02:21:49.719 all the time. And so I think that's what makes 2844 02:21:49.760 --> 02:21:52.040 it not engage with the world, regardless of how much 2845 02:21:52.040 --> 02:21:52.559 stuff you put in. 2846 02:21:52.719 --> 02:21:54.239 Let me say these though, just on Sorry, I had 2847 02:21:54.280 --> 02:21:55.799 to go out and talk to my wife for two seconds. 2848 02:21:55.840 --> 02:21:57.680 I missed a bit of what you guys talked about. 2849 02:21:57.719 --> 02:21:59.399 But I just want to say, hello, Ale, it is 2850 02:21:59.479 --> 02:22:01.319 lovely to see you. You're more than welcome to join 2851 02:22:01.399 --> 02:22:04.639 in chat. Hello Jason, my brother from another mother. Always 2852 02:22:04.639 --> 02:22:07.680 good to see you. Look, I just want to bring 2853 02:22:07.719 --> 02:22:09.559 it back to something we were talking about before I 2854 02:22:09.639 --> 02:22:12.479 got up. What I was getting at DC is and 2855 02:22:12.760 --> 02:22:14.680 this is a really contentious point to bring up when 2856 02:22:14.719 --> 02:22:16.840 we talk about the development in the direction of classic 2857 02:22:16.879 --> 02:22:18.719 plus where I've said it a few times on the 2858 02:22:18.760 --> 02:22:20.719 show and pass where you know, take a drink every 2859 02:22:20.760 --> 02:22:25.680 time I say that, where I've been getting at whilst 2860 02:22:25.760 --> 02:22:28.959 you never want to lose that classic essence and like 2861 02:22:29.280 --> 02:22:33.559 the thought of you know, not giving rewards to people 2862 02:22:33.680 --> 02:22:36.959 who have done nothing, and I do not subscribe to 2863 02:22:37.040 --> 02:22:42.239 the congratulations you logged on, here's your epic sword, you 2864 02:22:42.360 --> 02:22:45.760 timed your name correctly, you have BIS armor like I've 2865 02:22:45.799 --> 02:22:48.440 never been a member pastor Yeah, I've never been that guy, 2866 02:22:49.120 --> 02:22:54.159 but what I am is like this is hard to say. 2867 02:22:54.399 --> 02:22:58.920 But like with the market of twenty twenty six classic players, 2868 02:22:59.040 --> 02:23:01.719 like we say we are an aging mum and dad 2869 02:23:01.959 --> 02:23:05.920 fan base. There is this eternal struggle going on now 2870 02:23:06.040 --> 02:23:08.760 of do you make this do you make the game 2871 02:23:08.840 --> 02:23:12.120 of two thousand and four and force your audience to adapt, 2872 02:23:12.760 --> 02:23:15.920 or do you make the game for the twenty twenty 2873 02:23:16.040 --> 02:23:20.000 six age level of that old two thousand and four 2874 02:23:20.079 --> 02:23:23.159 audience that don't have a much enough not enough as 2875 02:23:23.360 --> 02:23:26.280 much time on their hands. So like, as much as 2876 02:23:26.319 --> 02:23:30.559 it sucks saying both, it's you want that epic classic scale. 2877 02:23:31.079 --> 02:23:33.799 But my point, and I've talked about this like one 2878 02:23:33.920 --> 02:23:37.520 or two episodes ago DC, my thing is if you 2879 02:23:37.879 --> 02:23:41.680 have an MMO where you legitimately look your players in 2880 02:23:41.799 --> 02:23:45.399 the eye and you go, you've got you've only got 2881 02:23:45.440 --> 02:23:49.079 an hour to play, fucking good luck, you're not getting 2882 02:23:49.239 --> 02:23:55.799 anything done in this game, then your game is fucking doah. 2883 02:23:55.879 --> 02:23:57.520 Yeah. I do think this is like a bit of 2884 02:23:57.600 --> 02:24:00.520 a design paradox, and I don't know what the answer is. 2885 02:24:00.680 --> 02:24:02.239 And I guess what I would say is like, if 2886 02:24:02.280 --> 02:24:03.920 you have an hour to play, you know, you could 2887 02:24:03.959 --> 02:24:05.959 get like some herban and some mining done or something 2888 02:24:06.040 --> 02:24:07.799 like that, right, But I don't think you should expect 2889 02:24:07.879 --> 02:24:10.879 to be able to make meaningful strides on your character 2890 02:24:11.040 --> 02:24:13.159 the way that you can and like retail. 2891 02:24:13.040 --> 02:24:15.639 Do you reckon, you know, like we talked about this 2892 02:24:15.879 --> 02:24:17.520 like three weeks ago, do you reckon you should be 2893 02:24:17.559 --> 02:24:18.799 able to run a dungeon and an oil. 2894 02:24:21.600 --> 02:24:24.239 I mean, I I'm not against the dungeon taking less 2895 02:24:24.239 --> 02:24:26.479 than an hour. But the way that world of workraft 2896 02:24:26.520 --> 02:24:28.600 Classic works is that you know and the and the 2897 02:24:28.719 --> 02:24:31.200 and this is why I I I like always remember 2898 02:24:31.319 --> 02:24:33.959 this about you is like you hate the whole, Like, oh, 2899 02:24:34.040 --> 02:24:35.520 you got to find the tank, and then you got 2900 02:24:35.600 --> 02:24:37.239 to fill the group, and then someone leaves, you got 2901 02:24:37.360 --> 02:24:38.600 to place them, and then you got to walk there 2902 02:24:38.600 --> 02:24:40.239 and not ever runs at the summoning stone and then 2903 02:24:41.479 --> 02:24:43.920 you know, but the thing is that everybody has to 2904 02:24:44.040 --> 02:24:44.280 do that. 2905 02:24:44.520 --> 02:24:47.639 Yeah, yeah, perfect, saying you walked in. If you're all 2906 02:24:47.760 --> 02:24:49.639 in the dungeon, you're at the start of the dungeon. 2907 02:24:51.000 --> 02:24:53.399 Are you on board with that taking an hour or less? 2908 02:24:54.879 --> 02:24:55.719 Oh yeah, of course. 2909 02:24:55.840 --> 02:24:56.040 Yeah. 2910 02:24:56.079 --> 02:24:58.559 But but I'm I always approach it from the fact that, 2911 02:24:58.719 --> 02:25:00.280 like you have to go through all the social Okay, 2912 02:25:00.479 --> 02:25:02.440 I understand that. I understand that. Yeah, yeah, I. 2913 02:25:02.639 --> 02:25:04.959 Don't talk about the reality and how people are actually 2914 02:25:04.959 --> 02:25:09.440 playing Classic. They're getting they're buying fucking summons. So once 2915 02:25:09.479 --> 02:25:11.479 you get your group and nobody has to get there, 2916 02:25:11.520 --> 02:25:15.239 nobody's waiting there, they're they're paying a goddamn bot. I mean, 2917 02:25:17.559 --> 02:25:20.319 you know, I mean, then it sounds great, it's it 2918 02:25:20.440 --> 02:25:24.159 sounds very noble, but it's just not how even the 2919 02:25:24.200 --> 02:25:26.200 classic player base is interacting with the problem. 2920 02:25:26.239 --> 02:25:28.079 I mean, let's be real, there's not like a summoning 2921 02:25:28.079 --> 02:25:32.840 bought at mardon My like Lights Hope Chapel, and they're 2922 02:25:32.840 --> 02:25:33.600 at like Tenario. 2923 02:25:34.600 --> 02:25:35.879 I don't want to get boked down. It's just fine. 2924 02:25:35.879 --> 02:25:37.319 I don't get boked down in that. What I'm saying 2925 02:25:37.440 --> 02:25:43.399 is without retailifying everything. And I don't necessarily use retail 2926 02:25:43.399 --> 02:25:45.680 as a dirty word, but I understand why people bring 2927 02:25:45.719 --> 02:25:47.360 it up in this kind of an argument. I'm like, 2928 02:25:48.079 --> 02:25:51.079 I understand that the vast majority of us being MMO 2929 02:25:51.280 --> 02:25:54.360 game is we play in bulk time slots. We do 2930 02:25:54.680 --> 02:25:59.239 sit down, generally speaking, for three to four hours at 2931 02:25:59.280 --> 02:26:01.479 a time. I'm going to play some Wow Classic and 2932 02:26:01.559 --> 02:26:04.000 you're there for fucking quite a while. I get that, 2933 02:26:05.079 --> 02:26:10.360 but I still really do like like to preserve the 2934 02:26:10.520 --> 02:26:14.280 concept of if I look at my watch and I go, oh, 2935 02:26:15.239 --> 02:26:18.200 I know I have to go to dinner at six 2936 02:26:18.840 --> 02:26:20.559 I have to walk out the door and get in 2937 02:26:20.639 --> 02:26:24.120 the car at six pm. It is currently five pm. 2938 02:26:24.959 --> 02:26:27.399 I would like to log onto World of Warcraft and 2939 02:26:27.680 --> 02:26:33.719 do something that somehow counts towards my character's progression right 2940 02:26:33.920 --> 02:26:38.760 in some some minor medium or meaningful way. I want 2941 02:26:38.799 --> 02:26:40.440 to be able to feel that I can do that, 2942 02:26:40.600 --> 02:26:43.479 as opposed to looking at my watch and going, oh god, 2943 02:26:43.559 --> 02:26:45.440 it's five pm. I have to leave for an I 2944 02:26:45.639 --> 02:26:47.879 leave in an hour. I can't play Wow now because 2945 02:26:47.879 --> 02:26:48.760 I don't have enough time. 2946 02:26:51.200 --> 02:26:54.319 I got that kind of an idea that might apply 2947 02:26:54.440 --> 02:26:55.319 to that a little bit. 2948 02:26:58.520 --> 02:26:59.079 Back in. 2949 02:27:00.159 --> 02:27:05.920 It was either misipend Area Original or Cataclysm. I was 2950 02:27:05.959 --> 02:27:10.760 a lot younger, and I was really young. I don't 2951 02:27:10.879 --> 02:27:13.559 have enough time on the family computer to actually be 2952 02:27:13.600 --> 02:27:15.520 able to like play as much as I do now, 2953 02:27:15.559 --> 02:27:17.079 because that's how I was, but I won't say how 2954 02:27:17.239 --> 02:27:22.760 young that was anyways. So it became for me, I'm 2955 02:27:22.799 --> 02:27:25.719 leveling up a character, and I didn't have that much 2956 02:27:25.799 --> 02:27:30.440 time to do it. But I found out, for whatever 2957 02:27:30.520 --> 02:27:33.440 reason at that time, doing battle grounds while leveling up 2958 02:27:33.520 --> 02:27:35.600 actually gave you a significant amount of. 2959 02:27:37.479 --> 02:27:38.639 XP and honor. 2960 02:27:39.159 --> 02:27:41.719 So I could just jump on do two or three 2961 02:27:41.760 --> 02:27:45.159 battlegrounds and that would have given me like, I don't 2962 02:27:45.200 --> 02:27:48.360 think it was like like at least half of the level. 2963 02:27:48.959 --> 02:27:51.200 But I was also getting enough honor so that when 2964 02:27:51.239 --> 02:27:53.719 I made it to max level, I was able to 2965 02:27:53.760 --> 02:27:56.840 buy a full you know, like your starter kit or whatever. 2966 02:27:57.440 --> 02:27:59.719 So anyways, my point in saying that is, what if 2967 02:28:00.040 --> 02:28:02.559 there were more? But like the other day, I did 2968 02:28:02.559 --> 02:28:04.639 a setic calls on the level sixty six rugue that 2969 02:28:04.680 --> 02:28:07.000 I have, but I got a piece of level seventy loop. 2970 02:28:07.479 --> 02:28:10.879 What if you threw in little things that you can 2971 02:28:10.959 --> 02:28:13.639 do while leveling up that will give you your prebius 2972 02:28:13.840 --> 02:28:15.479 once you get there, or at least give you, like 2973 02:28:16.399 --> 02:28:18.520 I don't know, little edges getting ready for it as 2974 02:28:18.559 --> 02:28:21.079 you're building up, or they're giving you honor, or at 2975 02:28:21.200 --> 02:28:23.559 least enough honor that's significant enough that you can actually 2976 02:28:23.639 --> 02:28:25.760 buy pieces when you reach Max's level. 2977 02:28:25.799 --> 02:28:28.280 You coining know what I'm saying, Well, this is a 2978 02:28:28.360 --> 02:28:30.639 combination of a couple of things we talked about before 2979 02:28:30.719 --> 02:28:35.639 with Giganta's idea that he got fucking decimated for talking 2980 02:28:35.760 --> 02:28:38.719 about letting people get higher level items from lower level mobs, 2981 02:28:39.200 --> 02:28:43.799 but then also anti andize point about giving players a 2982 02:28:43.879 --> 02:28:49.159 reason to kill mobs outside of very very rare chase 2983 02:28:49.200 --> 02:28:52.840 items like your title charms. So like, I don't know 2984 02:28:53.200 --> 02:28:54.719 if like. 2985 02:28:56.799 --> 02:28:58.200 Not necessary replications. 2986 02:28:58.639 --> 02:29:02.440 Yeah, that's the thing that Yeah. 2987 02:29:02.280 --> 02:29:05.079 I mean I feel like that's I mean, I you 2988 02:29:05.159 --> 02:29:07.639 know that I thought the whole, Like, wanting reason to 2989 02:29:07.719 --> 02:29:11.079 kill mobs is kind of a weird There are a 2990 02:29:11.159 --> 02:29:13.479 lot of reasons to kill mobs in the game already, 2991 02:29:13.520 --> 02:29:14.479 So I don't know, I felt like. 2992 02:29:14.520 --> 02:29:17.760 That was a you can say, a weird shit thing 2993 02:29:17.840 --> 02:29:20.040 to say. You can say that, I'm I guess I'm 2994 02:29:20.079 --> 02:29:20.879 meaning yeah, No, that's. 2995 02:29:20.799 --> 02:29:22.280 Not exactly how I feel about it, But yeah, I 2996 02:29:22.559 --> 02:29:24.959 thought it was an odd concern to have because I 2997 02:29:24.959 --> 02:29:27.360 feel like there's plenty of incentive in the game already 2998 02:29:27.399 --> 02:29:29.760 to kill you know, they are specific mobs. You can't 2999 02:29:29.799 --> 02:29:31.319 just go out and kill like whatever. You can't just 3000 02:29:31.399 --> 02:29:33.200 go like from the bottom of fell would to the 3001 02:29:33.239 --> 02:29:35.200 top of fell, would and kill everything and expect to 3002 02:29:35.479 --> 02:29:37.520 get anything more than just like the gray trash items 3003 02:29:37.559 --> 02:29:39.200 that they drop. But if you stay in the bottom 3004 02:29:39.200 --> 02:29:40.719 of fell, would and kill for bugs, you're staying in 3005 02:29:40.719 --> 02:29:42.760 the top of fell would and kill for bugs, You'll 3006 02:29:42.760 --> 02:29:45.399 get in chants and tailoring patterns and all sorts of stuff. Yeah, 3007 02:29:45.399 --> 02:29:46.159 but reputation. 3008 02:29:46.639 --> 02:29:49.120 But the only thing is you're right, you're spot on. 3009 02:29:50.120 --> 02:29:53.079 The only thing is those examples are literally like number 3010 02:29:53.159 --> 02:29:55.680 one few and far between, and number two. Like again, 3011 02:29:56.040 --> 02:29:59.760 the example is oh, he's he's a small tiny area 3012 02:29:59.879 --> 02:30:02.840 in the world. If you you know, kill these, you know, 3013 02:30:03.000 --> 02:30:05.280 twenty five fur bolgs that you know a lot of 3014 02:30:05.319 --> 02:30:07.639 other people around you are trying to kill, then you'll 3015 02:30:07.680 --> 02:30:10.680 get reputation. That's cool, it works, But I'm sort of 3016 02:30:10.760 --> 02:30:12.399 trying to expand on that and make it at a 3017 02:30:12.479 --> 02:30:15.120 grander scale. But like, reputation is a really good thing 3018 02:30:15.159 --> 02:30:17.840 to bring up, and like I fully expect Classic Plus 3019 02:30:17.959 --> 02:30:21.000 to absolutely expand on the reputation concept, and like I 3020 02:30:21.040 --> 02:30:24.440 think that's a really good thing to shut me up 3021 02:30:24.479 --> 02:30:27.200 and come back with. Is like all right, like what 3022 02:30:27.319 --> 02:30:29.680 if there were just more reputations and like there were 3023 02:30:29.799 --> 02:30:32.000 more meaningful kills in the world that if you go 3024 02:30:32.079 --> 02:30:34.040 out and just kill shit for an hour, you don't 3025 02:30:34.120 --> 02:30:36.159 have to sit there and hope for a good loot drop. 3026 02:30:36.280 --> 02:30:37.559 You've actually made progression. 3027 02:30:40.159 --> 02:30:43.559 Well, I've personally had like ideas about how they could 3028 02:30:43.600 --> 02:30:46.079 do this with like crafting systems and stuff like that. Like, 3029 02:30:46.200 --> 02:30:50.559 for example, I thought, you know, rather than needing to 3030 02:30:50.680 --> 02:30:53.479 like grind spiders to get like spider silk or something 3031 02:30:53.559 --> 02:30:55.680 like that, you could have like a bolt of silk 3032 02:30:55.719 --> 02:30:58.840 in your inventory, and if you kill like thirty spiders, 3033 02:30:58.920 --> 02:31:01.120 it will upgrade into like the material that you need 3034 02:31:01.280 --> 02:31:03.479 rather than like having to get the drop. But that's 3035 02:31:03.879 --> 02:31:06.959 completely like a different game or like something comprehensively that 3036 02:31:07.000 --> 02:31:09.680 they'd have to, you know, implement it to their game 3037 02:31:09.719 --> 02:31:13.040 and change. It's a whole different philosophy. But I think 3038 02:31:13.079 --> 02:31:17.159 that if they do improve crafting, that they could add 3039 02:31:17.319 --> 02:31:20.399 more recipes to various mobs out in the world that 3040 02:31:20.479 --> 02:31:23.799 would make it worth farming them. For example, like going 3041 02:31:23.879 --> 02:31:25.680 back to the King Mosh thing, like the fact that 3042 02:31:25.760 --> 02:31:28.120 it only spawned three times a week. Basically for every 3043 02:31:28.200 --> 02:31:31.639 server they eventually patched in that you could farm regular 3044 02:31:31.719 --> 02:31:33.680 Devil Sours and they would have like a point one 3045 02:31:33.840 --> 02:31:37.319 percent chance to drop the recipe or whatever, because you know, 3046 02:31:37.559 --> 02:31:39.920 if you were one of the Basically, my guild monopolized 3047 02:31:39.959 --> 02:31:41.639 it for like a week, like that first week of 3048 02:31:41.959 --> 02:31:45.399 multen Core or whatever, we monopolized the pattern, and you know, 3049 02:31:45.479 --> 02:31:47.520 the guy that had the leatherworker in our guild made 3050 02:31:47.559 --> 02:31:51.200 like one hundred thousand gold like plus, and you know, 3051 02:31:51.280 --> 02:31:54.159 and then once we were in like week two of 3052 02:31:54.239 --> 02:31:56.559 multicorep or whatever, Blizzard patched in that it dropped off 3053 02:31:56.600 --> 02:31:58.360 like regular Devil Sours, and then the price of the 3054 02:31:58.399 --> 02:32:00.479 pattern plummeted, and you know, there were a couple of 3055 02:32:00.559 --> 02:32:02.440 them on the age like every other day or whatever. 3056 02:32:02.840 --> 02:32:04.280 So I think that's kind of a good way you 3057 02:32:04.319 --> 02:32:06.639 could go about it, is just make crafting more relevant, 3058 02:32:06.719 --> 02:32:09.399 like throughout the game, and then make more mobs drop 3059 02:32:09.799 --> 02:32:13.399 rare patterns so that they are worth farming. But that 3060 02:32:13.600 --> 02:32:15.200 kind of gets back to your point of like you're 3061 02:32:15.239 --> 02:32:17.719 just killing something for like a very very low drop rate, 3062 02:32:17.799 --> 02:32:19.959 like a Crusader and Chan or something like that. But 3063 02:32:20.239 --> 02:32:22.440 I personally like doing stuff like that, And again, I 3064 02:32:22.479 --> 02:32:25.799 think it's very important to have the reason that it's 3065 02:32:25.879 --> 02:32:29.040 good to have specific places and specific things to drop 3066 02:32:29.079 --> 02:32:31.879 it is because it incentivizes the people of opposite factions 3067 02:32:31.920 --> 02:32:36.120 to mix, you know, personally on side, I killed a 3068 02:32:36.200 --> 02:32:39.959 shaman at the tower where Crusader drops while he was 3069 02:32:40.040 --> 02:32:41.719 killing a mob, and then I killed that mob and 3070 02:32:41.760 --> 02:32:43.680 and drop Crusader, and so I know that I fucking 3071 02:32:43.719 --> 02:32:45.959 stunted on that guy and got his Crusader and Chan, 3072 02:32:46.559 --> 02:32:47.520 and I'll never forget that. 3073 02:32:47.799 --> 02:32:50.920 Can you ever tell a story that doesn't involve you 3074 02:32:51.360 --> 02:32:53.920 some rogue? Like what do you what do you want 3075 02:32:54.000 --> 02:32:54.200 from me? 3076 02:32:54.280 --> 02:32:57.120 I'm out there killing people all the time, that's the 3077 02:32:57.159 --> 02:32:57.719 whole fun. 3078 02:32:57.600 --> 02:32:58.040 Part of it. 3079 02:33:00.200 --> 02:33:04.120 I must say, like, I will be bitterly disappointed if 3080 02:33:04.239 --> 02:33:09.159 they haven't done a genuine, incensey overhaul of professions if 3081 02:33:09.360 --> 02:33:12.399 if classics they did good work on it, And they did, 3082 02:33:12.559 --> 02:33:15.159 they did, and I hope they keep on that line, 3083 02:33:15.280 --> 02:33:19.719 because like if you turn into just his basically the 3084 02:33:19.840 --> 02:33:23.319 engineering or the leather working you've always known with ten 3085 02:33:23.440 --> 02:33:27.200 new recipes, like, that's this fucking lame. I've also said 3086 02:33:27.239 --> 02:33:33.360 they they must. They won't, but they must like almost 3087 02:33:33.520 --> 02:33:38.600 redesigned gathering in a bot filled world, like you must 3088 02:33:38.719 --> 02:33:41.639 readdress the way that you approach gathering. They won't, but 3089 02:33:41.799 --> 02:33:43.559 they might. And I know people be like you, how 3090 02:33:43.639 --> 02:33:46.559 did you change gathering where there's a fucking will there's 3091 02:33:46.639 --> 02:33:48.280 a way, it's just you can. 3092 02:33:48.479 --> 02:33:49.959 Yeah, I feel like you could code it in a 3093 02:33:50.000 --> 02:33:52.040 way that like if somebody else took the node, like 3094 02:33:52.120 --> 02:33:54.079 it's still there for you to loot as well, and 3095 02:33:54.280 --> 02:33:57.879 like disappears based on some kind of code in your 3096 02:33:57.959 --> 02:33:59.000 character that's unique to you. 3097 02:33:59.319 --> 02:34:02.399 There's something you could do. But they saything like that. Yeah, 3098 02:34:02.440 --> 02:34:05.079 if they don't, they're not going to work on the bots, 3099 02:34:05.360 --> 02:34:07.360 then they have to work on the things that the 3100 02:34:07.440 --> 02:34:08.159 bots affect. 3101 02:34:09.200 --> 02:34:10.079 Yeah, I agree. 3102 02:34:11.680 --> 02:34:14.680 So anyway, now, look, Gigantor, to be fair, do you 3103 02:34:14.799 --> 02:34:18.200 want to pipe up? He feels he's been unfairly shitit 3104 02:34:18.280 --> 02:34:21.360 on for his suggestion, Gigantor, do you want to repeat 3105 02:34:21.360 --> 02:34:22.200 what you said in chat? 3106 02:34:24.760 --> 02:34:27.159 I've been expanding on it in chat and I'm driving 3107 02:34:27.200 --> 02:34:28.479 at the moment. Would be a little difficult. 3108 02:34:28.520 --> 02:34:31.239 Okay, I'll do it for you, he said, Fuck every 3109 02:34:31.319 --> 02:34:34.639 single one of you, especially DC Green. I do love 3110 02:34:34.760 --> 02:34:38.360 how I get shit on with my idea about Maiji's 3111 02:34:38.559 --> 02:34:42.440 majors farming low level mobs for higher level items when 3112 02:34:42.479 --> 02:34:45.399 they already do that in Tannerus with level forty mobs 3113 02:34:45.440 --> 02:34:48.760 for world epics. Screw all of you, Josh sucks, That's 3114 02:34:48.799 --> 02:34:55.120 what he said verbatim. Actually, yeah, exactly, So there you go. 3115 02:34:55.440 --> 02:34:57.799 Well, I do take issue with that. I just want 3116 02:34:57.879 --> 02:34:59.920 equal potential to profit at all time. 3117 02:35:00.559 --> 02:35:00.719 You know. 3118 02:35:01.000 --> 02:35:03.239 That gets back to my you know, I think that 3119 02:35:03.319 --> 02:35:05.959 people that have more time, you know, obviously should be rewarded, 3120 02:35:06.399 --> 02:35:09.399 and that people that have more motivation to make hey, 3121 02:35:09.760 --> 02:35:11.520 what with the time that they do have, you know, 3122 02:35:11.639 --> 02:35:13.159 to get back to Josh, is like, if you only 3123 02:35:13.239 --> 02:35:14.959 have an hour, you know, if you log in with 3124 02:35:15.120 --> 02:35:17.239 just an hour to play, and like four of your 3125 02:35:17.760 --> 02:35:19.879 brands need a fifth to run a dungeon, and they 3126 02:35:19.920 --> 02:35:22.440 can summon you, like, you know, you should be able 3127 02:35:22.479 --> 02:35:23.920 to get some in and do that dungeon with them 3128 02:35:23.959 --> 02:35:26.959 in under an hour. But you know, in order to 3129 02:35:27.040 --> 02:35:29.840 facilitate that not happening, you have to change the way 3130 02:35:29.879 --> 02:35:33.840 the classic works drastically, like travel times and all that stuff. 3131 02:35:33.920 --> 02:35:37.120 And you know, I know that the friction thing comes 3132 02:35:37.200 --> 02:35:38.840 up a lot, and there is a debate to be 3133 02:35:38.879 --> 02:35:41.319 had about how much friction is good and bad and whatever, 3134 02:35:41.479 --> 02:35:43.079 But I just don't think that you want to go 3135 02:35:43.239 --> 02:35:46.280 changing kind of the fundamentals of what we're all kind 3136 02:35:46.319 --> 02:35:48.959 of accustomed to already, so that those are things that 3137 02:35:49.000 --> 02:35:49.840 I'm like lyre to touch on. 3138 02:35:49.920 --> 02:35:51.200 But then we're here here. 3139 02:35:52.239 --> 02:35:54.040 Oh god, I didn't mean to interrupt you. I apologize, 3140 02:35:54.079 --> 02:35:57.959 but I just want to second here to clarify me, just. 3141 02:35:59.559 --> 02:36:02.520 Because right here mention that he you know, there are 3142 02:36:02.600 --> 02:36:05.079 activities that you can do that improve your character within 3143 02:36:05.159 --> 02:36:07.280 an hour, Like you could do two PvP matches, right, 3144 02:36:07.319 --> 02:36:09.360 you could do like two rathi basins, or like two 3145 02:36:09.399 --> 02:36:10.719 worse on culchrees or something like that. 3146 02:36:10.840 --> 02:36:13.440 So it's not like every door needs to be closed 3147 02:36:13.479 --> 02:36:13.840 off to you. 3148 02:36:14.319 --> 02:36:16.559 But you know, I do think that like the amount 3149 02:36:16.639 --> 02:36:18.520 of things that you can do to improve your character 3150 02:36:18.680 --> 02:36:21.040 should kind of be tied to the amount of time 3151 02:36:21.079 --> 02:36:23.520 that you can spend, and that the longer that you 3152 02:36:23.559 --> 02:36:25.399 should be able to spend that, the more you should 3153 02:36:25.440 --> 02:36:26.000 get rewarded. 3154 02:36:26.200 --> 02:36:29.040 Oh don't, I don't quibble with that. I think that's perfect. 3155 02:36:29.040 --> 02:36:31.879 An ArkOS would have just fucking exploded hearing you say 3156 02:36:31.959 --> 02:36:34.159 that he loves that, DAC, I don't. 3157 02:36:34.280 --> 02:36:34.559 I don't know. 3158 02:36:35.000 --> 02:36:37.520 All I'm saying is my point is not to lock 3159 02:36:37.600 --> 02:36:40.639 that off what you've just suggested, but also not to 3160 02:36:41.079 --> 02:36:43.760 give nothing to the people with no I mean sorry, 3161 02:36:43.760 --> 02:36:45.559 I head up with this. Okay, if you have no 3162 02:36:45.719 --> 02:36:48.680 time to play, well that is problematic. But if you 3163 02:36:48.840 --> 02:36:51.879 can play in little busts still have something to be 3164 02:36:51.959 --> 02:36:52.600 able to chase. 3165 02:36:54.079 --> 02:36:55.680 So DC, I agree with you. 3166 02:36:56.000 --> 02:36:57.840 If you look back at the chat, it with sarcasm 3167 02:36:58.360 --> 02:37:01.239 the way I was saying, like everyone should have the 3168 02:37:01.319 --> 02:37:06.840 same shit for having that, I'm just completely going after 3169 02:37:07.000 --> 02:37:11.159 majors and Paladin's like beating a dead horse. I don't 3170 02:37:11.319 --> 02:37:14.200 understand why they've kept it this way for so long 3171 02:37:14.440 --> 02:37:16.760 and they've only touched on it a few times where 3172 02:37:16.799 --> 02:37:20.079 they've tweaked their a Wii farming like remember and sod 3173 02:37:20.239 --> 02:37:22.879 and some they fucked over mages and valleys and it's 3174 02:37:22.920 --> 02:37:23.239 still to. 3175 02:37:23.319 --> 02:37:28.760 This day like that, I don't remember, like all the dramas. 3176 02:37:30.479 --> 02:37:32.239 So they made it of the mobs teleport on you 3177 02:37:32.319 --> 02:37:35.040 if you tried cutting them. They made it so that 3178 02:37:35.280 --> 02:37:36.600 they break at Staremans. 3179 02:37:36.719 --> 02:37:38.440 So they tried. I give them credit for trying. 3180 02:37:39.479 --> 02:37:44.680 My thing is, like you said, I want everyone's effort 3181 02:37:44.760 --> 02:37:48.360 to be rewarded for their level of effort. I guess 3182 02:37:48.399 --> 02:37:50.680 I can't extrapolate it on my wording there, but I 3183 02:37:50.760 --> 02:37:52.639 want it to show that you tried, that you put 3184 02:37:52.639 --> 02:37:56.479 in the effort, and in relation to that, I think 3185 02:37:57.639 --> 02:38:02.399 the possibility for profit should be in relation percentage wise. 3186 02:38:02.799 --> 02:38:04.719 So no, I don't think like a level one should 3187 02:38:04.719 --> 02:38:06.000 be able to get a little sixty epic and go 3188 02:38:06.040 --> 02:38:06.719 get a ship ton of. 3189 02:38:06.719 --> 02:38:07.120 Money for it. 3190 02:38:07.280 --> 02:38:09.559 No, No, it's what you just fucking said. 3191 02:38:11.040 --> 02:38:11.280 In it. 3192 02:38:12.200 --> 02:38:15.040 I'ming what problem. 3193 02:38:14.799 --> 02:38:18.520 Are we trying to solve here? Nonly don't don't jumping 3194 02:38:18.559 --> 02:38:21.719 here people, gigantle, you're on You're on a rabbit hole. 3195 02:38:21.719 --> 02:38:24.440 Morning all and majors specifically for profit. 3196 02:38:25.239 --> 02:38:27.120 I think that's the issue, all right, but. 3197 02:38:27.239 --> 02:38:29.440 I don't really take an issue with that. I think 3198 02:38:29.479 --> 02:38:31.680 that's like something that's unique to the class, right, and 3199 02:38:31.760 --> 02:38:33.639 then all the other classes have to come up with 3200 02:38:33.719 --> 02:38:35.159 creative solutions. 3201 02:38:34.719 --> 02:38:39.159 To I'm going to jump in well, I'm gonna jump 3202 02:38:39.200 --> 02:38:41.479 in here. We are not falling down the gigant or 3203 02:38:41.600 --> 02:38:46.680 rabbit hole, all right, point noted point discussed point over. 3204 02:38:47.280 --> 02:38:49.719 We are not doing an hour on this kind of 3205 02:38:49.799 --> 02:38:53.959 what if anyway. What I might actually do is we 3206 02:38:54.120 --> 02:38:56.360 might start to wrap up because I'm getting very hungry 3207 02:38:56.399 --> 02:38:59.639 and I want to go play drums. Is there any 3208 02:39:00.200 --> 02:39:03.079 final epic points we have to get out from the 3209 02:39:03.159 --> 02:39:05.959 news this week or from any I hope this is 3210 02:39:06.040 --> 02:39:07.840 in classic plus kind of angles. 3211 02:39:09.399 --> 02:39:11.639 Mine is far from epic. It's more like a common 3212 02:39:11.719 --> 02:39:13.520 level of thing that I wish was in the game. 3213 02:39:14.120 --> 02:39:16.920 It's from Epoch and it's the tiniest little flavor thing 3214 02:39:16.959 --> 02:39:19.360 on the planet. But they made it so whatever you 3215 02:39:19.440 --> 02:39:21.879 were killing is what would drop. So if you were 3216 02:39:21.959 --> 02:39:24.559 killing a caster, it would only drop cast a gear. 3217 02:39:24.680 --> 02:39:27.040 If you were killing a MA league kind of mob, 3218 02:39:27.399 --> 02:39:29.239 it would only drop the league get and I just 3219 02:39:29.319 --> 02:39:31.440 thought that was just such a lovely little thing that 3220 02:39:31.639 --> 02:39:34.520 the things actually dropped what they were supposed to drop off. 3221 02:39:34.760 --> 02:39:36.440 I just liked it it as flavor, It. 3222 02:39:36.559 --> 02:39:46.000 Was fun, fair enough DC. Any final thoughts, I don't know. 3223 02:39:46.239 --> 02:39:49.120 I I think everything that I would want to say 3224 02:39:49.120 --> 02:39:51.159 about like Classic Plus is kind of pie in the sky, 3225 02:39:51.280 --> 02:39:55.040 And really it really hinges on Blizzard just doing. 3226 02:39:54.959 --> 02:39:57.040 More quality assurance. 3227 02:39:57.799 --> 02:39:59.959 You know, we always talk about like protecting the players 3228 02:40:00.120 --> 02:40:02.399 from themselves or that's kind of their philosophy is that 3229 02:40:02.520 --> 02:40:04.520 they I feel like they used to do that. More 3230 02:40:04.639 --> 02:40:07.120 is kind of protect the players from themselves. And I 3231 02:40:07.280 --> 02:40:09.760 just think that there's been a lot of really weird 3232 02:40:09.879 --> 02:40:14.520 habits and things that have been developed over time that 3233 02:40:15.079 --> 02:40:17.719 create a lot of degenerat Like one thing I was 3234 02:40:17.799 --> 02:40:24.520 thinking about with Antecedent's remark there was, you know there 3235 02:40:24.520 --> 02:40:26.760 are items in the game, like edge Master's handguards right 3236 02:40:26.840 --> 02:40:29.000 that are like, for whatever reason, have just become this 3237 02:40:29.159 --> 02:40:32.520 like marquee item over the players gaining knowledge, and they 3238 02:40:32.600 --> 02:40:35.799 drop from like every every mob and that level range 3239 02:40:35.879 --> 02:40:39.719 or whatever. But that it does create this like you know, 3240 02:40:39.799 --> 02:40:43.200 that's the thing that like gives the incentive for bots 3241 02:40:43.239 --> 02:40:46.159 to like float under a Scarlet Monastery and like loot 3242 02:40:46.280 --> 02:40:49.440 chests and do all this weird shit, And I wish 3243 02:40:49.479 --> 02:40:52.239 that there was just something that they could do and 3244 02:40:52.360 --> 02:40:54.959 that they would make it kind of a priority to 3245 02:40:55.520 --> 02:40:58.399 snuff things out that have developed over time that are 3246 02:40:58.520 --> 02:41:03.040 just really degenerated and make the players behave in like 3247 02:41:03.239 --> 02:41:06.879 really weird ways, because it does break the immersion of 3248 02:41:07.120 --> 02:41:09.600 this being like a fantasy world that we spend our 3249 02:41:09.680 --> 02:41:12.440 time in and it instead becomes kind of like a 3250 02:41:12.959 --> 02:41:17.760 economy simulator or just this weird like race to the 3251 02:41:17.879 --> 02:41:23.040 bottom kind of capitalistic thing that the game didn't like 3252 02:41:23.200 --> 02:41:25.280 used to be. And I don't know if they will, 3253 02:41:26.200 --> 02:41:27.959 and maybe just like the best that we can hope 3254 02:41:28.000 --> 02:41:30.280 for is that they add so much like additional kind 3255 02:41:30.319 --> 02:41:32.959 of layers of gameplay that it is like a distraction 3256 02:41:33.120 --> 02:41:36.879 from those kind of things, or at least, you know, 3257 02:41:36.959 --> 02:41:39.399 makes those things like less prevalent, So that would be 3258 02:41:39.520 --> 02:41:41.319 kind of I know that the Blizzard deves do sometimes 3259 02:41:41.399 --> 02:41:43.319 listen to these podcasts, so like, I really hope that 3260 02:41:43.440 --> 02:41:45.079 they kind of like got their ducks in a row 3261 02:41:45.200 --> 02:41:48.399 on like snuffing out some of those grease fires that 3262 02:41:48.520 --> 02:41:53.040 are all over the world of Warcraft landscape. You know, 3263 02:41:53.200 --> 02:41:55.239 I think that if you again, if you just gave 3264 02:41:55.319 --> 02:41:58.280 us vanilla classes and good new zones and then you 3265 02:41:58.360 --> 02:42:02.360 spend the rest of the project budget, I'm eliminating all 3266 02:42:02.360 --> 02:42:04.959 the bot and degenerate behavior that is, like, you know, 3267 02:42:05.079 --> 02:42:07.520 rife within the player base. Now, I think I think 3268 02:42:07.559 --> 02:42:09.559 that you'd have a smash product on your hands and 3269 02:42:09.760 --> 02:42:11.399 and people be willing to pay sixty. 3270 02:42:11.200 --> 02:42:12.399 Dollars box price for it. 3271 02:42:12.559 --> 02:42:15.280 But you know, that's that's where I'm at. 3272 02:42:15.959 --> 02:42:18.440 Fair enough, all right, guys, look we might wrap it 3273 02:42:18.559 --> 02:42:20.879 up there. That's been a really good one. Thank you 3274 02:42:20.959 --> 02:42:22.799 so much for today. Can I just end on this note? 3275 02:42:23.280 --> 02:42:27.000 Do you guys realize how ridiculously close Please Con is? 3276 02:42:27.479 --> 02:42:29.719 Like where we're two and a half months away? Now 3277 02:42:29.760 --> 02:42:31.360 we're ten Wait, like, what are we off to the 3278 02:42:31.399 --> 02:42:34.920 ten week mark? Let me double check here? When is it? 3279 02:42:34.920 --> 02:42:40.040 It's eleven twelfth of September. There, you guys three months away? 3280 02:42:40.319 --> 02:42:45.680 Well hang on, look at one, two, three, four, six, seven, 3281 02:42:47.479 --> 02:42:51.280 eight eleven twelve. We have twelve weeks away from please Con. 3282 02:42:51.680 --> 02:42:52.680 That is three months. 3283 02:42:53.479 --> 02:42:56.680 Pretty cool, so I said earlier, the time in which 3284 02:42:56.719 --> 02:42:59.559 they dropped these quote unquote leaks or whatever is very 3285 02:42:59.639 --> 02:43:02.360 percon If they were trying to do like a quarter 3286 02:43:02.559 --> 02:43:06.159 level of marketing and hype, right, Yeah, Like the Monday, 3287 02:43:06.879 --> 02:43:10.200 the Monday of the beginning of twelve weeks, they dropped 3288 02:43:10.239 --> 02:43:13.920 these fucking you know, these very subtle breadcrumbs of like 3289 02:43:14.040 --> 02:43:16.719 what could be happening. I think that that's what really 3290 02:43:16.760 --> 02:43:19.440 flipped me over on. You know, this could be the 3291 02:43:19.520 --> 02:43:23.440 reality that we've all been speculating. Yeah, compared to any 3292 02:43:23.559 --> 02:43:27.200 anything else, it just seems all way too serendipitous to 3293 02:43:27.319 --> 02:43:28.760 be coincidence. 3294 02:43:29.239 --> 02:43:32.680 Campcy's doing the thing that I mentioned on the last episode, 3295 02:43:32.719 --> 02:43:35.479 where at a certain point it might be some people 3296 02:43:35.559 --> 02:43:38.159 might consider taking a bit of a break to whet 3297 02:43:38.200 --> 02:43:40.680 their whistle for Classic Plus, not that it's mandatory for 3298 02:43:40.760 --> 02:43:44.040 some people, but some people never have their wow flame extinguished. 3299 02:43:44.040 --> 02:43:47.799 So I totally get that. But I've definitely done that. 3300 02:43:47.879 --> 02:43:50.120 I haven't played much well. I've been tooling around with 3301 02:43:50.239 --> 02:43:52.760 the CATA private server over the last couple of weeks, 3302 02:43:52.760 --> 02:43:55.159 and that's just given me something to do, not too serious. 3303 02:43:55.959 --> 02:43:59.440 I will dive a little bit back into TBC now 3304 02:43:59.479 --> 02:44:02.239 that I've got more time up my sleeves. I'll dabble 3305 02:44:02.360 --> 02:44:05.719 here and there no promises we'll see what happens. But 3306 02:44:06.120 --> 02:44:09.239 I now that we're coming into like serious like I said, 3307 02:44:09.280 --> 02:44:12.520 twelve weeks away from Blizcon's serious time. I you know, 3308 02:44:12.639 --> 02:44:15.959 if this product is coming out in like October November, 3309 02:44:17.399 --> 02:44:20.200 I'll want to give myself, yeah, like two to three 3310 02:44:20.280 --> 02:44:22.799 months of like a good like wet the wow whistle 3311 02:44:22.920 --> 02:44:25.360 thing and maybe sort of starve myself a little bit. 3312 02:44:25.440 --> 02:44:29.120 We shall see. But yeah, guys, thank you so much 3313 02:44:29.159 --> 02:44:33.200 for everything, all you guys who contributed Anti John DC, Giganta, 3314 02:44:33.319 --> 02:44:36.280 Thanks guys, and obviously to Blaster who is so fantastic earlier. 3315 02:44:36.840 --> 02:44:40.840 And we shall see you guys later. And that's been 3316 02:44:40.920 --> 02:44:43.239 Countdown to Classic for the day. Everyone, Thank you so 3317 02:44:43.440 --> 02:44:46.280 much for listening along to all of that. Of course, 3318 02:44:46.399 --> 02:44:49.120 this would not be happening without the following amazing people 3319 02:44:49.520 --> 02:44:52.680 who are so patient with me, riding with me through 3320 02:44:52.760 --> 02:44:56.159 these month long gaps between episodes to still support what 3321 02:44:56.280 --> 02:44:59.440 we do here at Countdown to Classic. They are Flowsy B. 3322 02:45:00.040 --> 02:45:05.120 Bucker Ham, Honey Badger, Grimois Plays, all the Mighty Doloman, 3323 02:45:05.559 --> 02:45:09.760 Jaron h Skate, Campsey and Tanyon, And thank you so 3324 02:45:09.920 --> 02:45:11.639 much to all the five dollars, two dollars and one 3325 02:45:11.680 --> 02:45:14.159 dollar patrons as well. Thank you so much, guys, and 3326 02:45:14.239 --> 02:45:17.079 we'll see you next time. I don't countdown a classic. 3327 02:45:17.120 --> 02:45:18.639 Maybe we'll know more. We shall see