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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Truth seeka in Aaron Podcast. My name

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is truth Sika, my name.

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Speaker 3: Is Aaron, and we are excited and delighted to have

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you here.

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Speaker 2: Does she sound excited or does she sound month?

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Speaker 4: For you?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: What's the word?

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Speaker 3: That's not? It?

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Speaker 1: Mony monpy mompy. I have no idea. It's not you

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start a podcast, you know what.

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Speaker 3: I don't care what people think anymore. I am what

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I am, accept it or not.

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Speaker 1: You don't care what Jesus thinks.

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Speaker 3: I do care what Jesus thinks.

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Speaker 1: What do you think he'll think of our upcoming retreats.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be there, so he must must think

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it's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: Jesus is gonna be at our retreat Yeah, we're bringing

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them with us.

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Speaker 1: Who else is gonna be there?

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Speaker 3: Corrine Grillo? Are awesome friends going to be there because

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he's a host?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And guess what, the listeners, you are going to be

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there if you so desire, if you want to be

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a part of our retreats, which they have been getting

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better and better, and now we're introducing concerts in our retreats.

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We do Trusik and Aaron concerts. At the end of

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the retreat. We did our first one, which was amazing.

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Aaron freaking grabbed the mic and finest it and and

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it's all etherical and magical. So we're gonna be doing that.

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But it is June the twelfth through the fifteenth. What

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all are we're going to be doing.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you everything. I gotta leave some things

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for surprise, but we're going to be doing cacao ceremony

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concert by surprise she means mushrooms. Oh no, no, anyway,

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go ahead, Sorry, I surprise you just go ahead.

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Speaker 2: There's an add on day with mushrooms. That's why I'm

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being joking. People asking about the plant ceremony thing and

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uh and so there's an extra day.

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Speaker 1: That's an add on mushrooms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So if those who want.

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Speaker 2: To be a part of that ceremony that Corren Guerrilla

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is leading, and you're there and you want to do that,

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you can get that add on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The rest of it is go ahead. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: You know, the usual prayer, meditation, cacao sound healing, singing bowls, concert,

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communing with nature, learning about sacred communion and what it

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really means, because it's not really the shameful thing that

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we've been taught in church. It can be joyous and ecstatic,

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which is why we named it ecstasia. What isstasia, Well,

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it's a state of ecstasis, which is spiritual ecstasy, joy, bliss, laughter.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to take anything?

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Speaker 3: No, really, no, you don't have to take anything. You

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can get there on your own with your breath, with

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just bringing your body and your breath and connecting to

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spirit that way, you don't have to have anything outside

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of yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So tickets are available at www dot cr dot school

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or Truthseeker dot com. Spaces are limited, there's different packages

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available if you want to stay on site or if

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you want a camp all that cool stuff, make sure

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you go and check it out. We're not trying to

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convince anybody of anything. If if it's for you, you

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already know there's a stirring in your spirit and you

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want to be there, and you got to figure out

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how go to Seer dot School get a ticket, and

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we can't wait to give you a big hug.

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Speaker 3: And right now, the early bird pricing is still active.

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Depending on when this comes out, probably around a week

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or so, it'll be ending.

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Speaker 1: So a couple days ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you need to get on it if you

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know it's for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're going deep into nature.

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Speaker 2: We're going deep into to talking to God through nature,

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through the planets, through the trees, through the birds, all

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that kind of stuff. Stars, star gazing. Part of the

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the I'm doing a a workshop webinar teaching on how

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to film cloud entities in UFOs and those things with

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your cell phone, be able to catch it on cell

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phone where anybody can do it, And that's going to

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be fun. I've been able to just to kind of

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just walk people through the process and online and people

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send me videos of their stuff, just freaking bugged out,

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and most of the time their footage is way better

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than mine, at least their.

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Speaker 1: Location or whatever.

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Speaker 2: They're capturing some really wild stuff in our skies on camera,

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which is pretty fun.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to be doing that.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so bring your cell phones. Yeah, maybe a

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laptop if you have one.

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Speaker 2: Divine ecstasy it's a religious ecstasy ex stasis stasia. It's

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mentioned of in the Bible. Holy laughter, a feeling of

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the bliss, bliss and divine on wonder, bewilderment to be

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outside of oneself.

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Speaker 1: We have a guest.

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Speaker 2: Today in the studio, Reggie, have you ever felt that

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any any of that? Have you ever felt religious ecstasy?

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A state of bliss where nothing else met where there

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are no bills, where there are no no arguments, no worries. No,

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it's just pure bliss and euphoria that can last for

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a moment or can last for days.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever experienced absolutely? Several times? Man, thank you

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several times. Welcome to the show man, Thank you man.

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How you doing, how you're doing. That's good to be here. Man, Ah,

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it's so good to be here. What's up? Brother? Well,

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I don't know, man, I could tell you one experience

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that stands out to me. You want to talk about

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like euphoria and bliss. Year was twenty twelve, and that

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was a really tough year. Man. I lost my youngest

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child that year, and I was married at the time

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of marriage, started going through some hell, you know, and

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I went out under the stars one night after a

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really intense argument with my now ex wife, and I

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went out under the stars and just kind of started

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what I think the scriptures might talk about, crying out

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to God. You know. I literally like your soul is

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just like open raw just saying here, I am, you know,

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just dedicate my whole life to chasing after a being

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that I don't even know if you exist. And I

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remember like I got to that point and I fell

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down on my face in the field next to my

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house and my like, I just had grass in my

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mouth and everything, like I was like completely undone, sobbing,

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and I remember I felt and the best way I

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know not explain it as is if it was like

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a breath, like it just kind of went. It just

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came over me, washed over me from my head all

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the way down to my toes, and I felt I

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didn't hear an audible voice, but I felt as true

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as I've heard anything the words I love you. And

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I remember like at that point, that was a time

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i'd actually I don't know if you remember. Back around

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twenty twelve, twenty eleven, it was a YouTube channel came

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out called Spirit Science. Yeah, I was a Jordan Rivers yep, yes,

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and I had been watching some of that, but he

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was you know, I remember he was talking about a

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lot of things in there, and I remember at that

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moment just feeling that unconditional love, right, and that that

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peace and that presence that is like nothing else mattered, dude.

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I don't know how long sat there, and I remember

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like some of my neighbors come walking by and they

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saw me just sitting there and they were like, okay, dude,

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I'm like, yeah, I'm good man. Like I was, like,

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I went from feeling like my whole will was falling

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apart too, It's okay. Everything, everything is okay. And I

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keep so like anytime I ever have a conversation with

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anybody that's like, hey man, how do you know God's real?

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I said, that's my God moment because everything's okay. Like

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I know, dude, I said, I don't know how to

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explain it. It's an experience that if you don't ever

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experience it, then it's just words. Man. Why you had

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started off getting so deeperent to made me?

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Speaker 2: You asked me, dude, you ask I want something funny, man,

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I want to say. You know, I was singing to

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you know, I went to a Toby Matt concert. Toby Mac

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sung this song. I just felt spiritual ecstasy. It was

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Speaker 1: I thought we're going to get something like that. Yeah, dude,

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right for the top of the pyramid, dude. Yeah, man,

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you know, and it's it hits home and it's sad.

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Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of people going through it like

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what you went through and uh, and they don't feel

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that religious experience, they don't feel that released. They still

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feel that hell. And you still feel it too. I

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know it's there. I say, I'm doing it's okay, Like

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it's still there's a balance and it's a there's a

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there's a there's a chaos in there, and there's a

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lot of stuff and a lot of feelings mixed feelings,

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you know. But there's a lot of people going through it, man,

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right now, and it's it's Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I deserved it either, to be

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honest with you, dude, Like I was like out there

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calling got out, like I'm trying not to get emotional,

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dude because this this hit. But I was like, dude,

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I came here because I felt like you brought me here,

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you know. I came to I left. I was living

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here where you this is where I met you here

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in the mobile area, you know, and I left. I

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was happy here yea and I thought I was swallowing God,

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went to a place, went to a different state, and

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just everything started falling apart. And I was when you

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hear people talk about dark Knight of the Soul, That's

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where I was at. And I've been through a lot

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of stuff since I moved to the Atlanta area, but

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at the end of the day, like nothing compares to

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how alone I felt when I was living there. And so,

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like I said, I don't know that. I can't sit

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here and say that I had a special formula worked out.

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All I know is that, man, dude, I just had

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come to the end of it and I was about

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I was like, you know, it's one of those moments,

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like God give me something where I'm going to just

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have to walk away, like and he just it was

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literally like he just kind of looked down on it.

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I mean, and that's all it takes for him. But boy,

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it change the whole world, dude.

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Speaker 2: I heard the same story recently from like this big podcaster,

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literally the same story on the George Jenko's show, Jajenko Show,

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and the dude said the same story and but but

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that those that situation and circumstance made him become an

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atheist because like, I devoted my life to following you,

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like my marriage was gonna be okay. I feel like

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everything's gonna be okay because I've you know, I don't sin,

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and I follow God, I read the Bible, I go

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to church, I serve at church, and then my wife

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cheats on me, and then this happens and stuff, and

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it's like, all these bad things happened to me. So

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it obviously, you know, shows a lot of things, but

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maybe it shows that, you know, you the person was

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following God so that he would have some kind of

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a backup plan that that didn't work. That God isn't

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you know, he doesn't guarantee, Like none of those things

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Speaker 1: You have to work at all of.

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Speaker 2: Those things if you will, right, But it's it's beautiful

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that you're still here year and you still have a

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piece in you.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's moving forward. Yeah,

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you and I we we stayed in touch over the years,

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and you and I both have been on an interesting

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journey and it seems like we have a lot of parallels.

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you back around twenty thirteen. We're gonna get into them. Yeah,

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we're gonna get into them. But I just it's interesting

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looking at the journey you go on and that piece.

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it's just like, Okay, you know, I guess a lot

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of people they want that thing. It's like that final deal, right, yeah,

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it's not like that. So I don't want kind of

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misconstrue it like, oh, I had it then, so I

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know God's really it's something that continues a perpetual I

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thought I had it then. It's probably a better way, yeah,

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because there are a lot of people that might say, yeah,

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I had an experience, but now I don't feel anything right,

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in the belief system and things like that.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Dark Knight, going through the Dark Knight of

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the Soul. I remember like as a badge of honor.

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Speaker 1: The Dark Knight. Man.

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Speaker 2: I went through hell and I had demons. I was

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possessed by demons.

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Speaker 1: And it was the Dark Knight. So I've experienced a

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dark Knight.

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Speaker 2: And then, you know, ten years, fifteen, twenty years later

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into walking with Christ You're like, oh, that wasn't you know?

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That was a dark Knight. You're gonna have a dark month.

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You gonna have a dark you know year, you know,

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a season of darkness.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready?

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, my god, I thought I knew you

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had nothing to judge it off of until.

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Speaker 1: You go through that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. Before we actually listened to the audiobook

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of Dark Knight of the Soul, I just thought it

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was kind of like a night literally, like a twenty

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four hour period, like you just hit this rock bottom

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low or something. But it's really a process that goes

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on your entire life. Really. I mean, you're always in

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the process of getting out the darkness and getting out

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the the bad things that are in you and exchanging

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it for light. But it's always the titles misleading. It's

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not just a dark night, it's your whole life. Is

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this this dark night? But the more work you do

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and the deeper you go and to get into darkness

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out the parallel is the ecstasis, and the light gets brighter,

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so the contrast becomes greater.

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Speaker 1: Almost seems like you can tap into it more readily.

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I guess I can't know. It can't.

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is there's a depths to them. I shared my testimony

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like I've shared my testimony hundreds of times, but then

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like here recently I started talking about Jesus like I can't,

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like I can't not cry. I don't know why. It's just,

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you know, it just hits. It hits differently now sharing

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the same stories, maybe stories we used to laugh about

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and you were like, man, I missed that story.

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Speaker 1: Man, it was a beautiful time in my life.

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Speaker 2: Or you know, just all of these things. This reason

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to what we just talking about communion and communion and

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the word Eucharist or ucaristo, and it means to find

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gratitude in something.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, can.

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Speaker 2: You go through the bs, the dark knight and find

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something that you can touch that's going to bring you gratitude.

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Can you look at back at your marriage, can you

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look back at your childhood and be like, man, thankful

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for that?

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. A lot of people can't.

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Speaker 2: And uh, and that's what that's what separates the sheet

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from the ghost is the fact that we can and

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we we're gonna, We're going to You shouldn't you shouldn't.

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You should be mad, you should be angry at God.

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You should be like that dude on the podcast, you

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should be an atheist f God, cursed God and died

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like Job's wife said. It's like, nah, I ain't that stupid?

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Like I know that this experience, whatever it is, has

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been a blessing, right, and uh, you know why is.

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Speaker 1: It going to change? Now?

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Speaker 2: Ye?

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Speaker 3: What faith is, man, it's believing when you can't see

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it in that moment.

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Speaker 1: I keep going back when you mentioned the gratitude and

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the Eucharist, you know, I keep going back to gratitude

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is like the gateway of opportunity, right, and it goes

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hand in hand with faith, right, Like I don't, I

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don't know if you can really truly have faith if

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you don't have gratitude rooted in you somewhere, right. It

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takes it takes that to make it work, right, And yeah,

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and find it whenever you for me, you know, there

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are there is a temptation to get angry at God. Right. Sure,

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there have been times where you're just like God, WTF,

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what's going on? But but then there's you know, if

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you if you have that gratitude present. It's like, if

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I know that every good and perfect thing comes from Him,

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you know, and all the good stuff I've been thankful for,

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then if something doesn't go my way, that doesn't trump

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all the good. Yeah, like all the good just kind

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of it's like, no, you know what, I ain't gonna

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put that on God or really not.

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Speaker 2: We started putting all the good, all the bad things

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on God, but not the good thing. That's one thing

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I was I pushed back against a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of atheists lately.

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Speaker 2: It's like they want to blame God for all the bad,

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but they want to take credit for the good.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, that's about Uh, if you're gonna blame God

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for the bad, won't you blame him for the good too.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to take credit for the good, why

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don't you take credit for the bad? Because vice versa?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right? Yeah, I don't know, man, I've explored it,

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and it's just I can't. I can't personally go there.

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that are very close to me, and they'll be militant

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and they'll say things like, you know, I think it's

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all made up. I don't think God's real blah blah,

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blahah cool cool, whatever. But then whenever I mentioned it,

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then it becomes the badat. I'll be like, and I

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just said, look, when you push it back a little bit,

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I say, look, dude, you know I'm not going to

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argue with you. I'll fight you over something else. But

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you know, when it comes to God, even if God

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exist within the consciousness of men of loan, a men

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mankind of loan, I'm sorry, even if God exists within

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the consciousness of mankind alone, God exists because of how

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many people believe in God. And I said, even if

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it's even if God exists as a concept, yeah, it

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is so certain we get it to the power of belief,

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which I know that's I don't want to like get

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ahead of the cart ahead of the horses here, but

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you know that's what it comes down to. For me.

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It's like, yeah, yeah, dude, you want your problem. If

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God didn't exist, you wouldn't have such a problem with him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what I'm saying, man just think of this

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like the old cartoon like Scooby Scooby, because that was fake.

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Speaker 1: Like they has a lot of faith though, But.

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Speaker 2: Think of a ghost and you couldn't see the ghost

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unless you had a sheet. The ghost had a sheet

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on it. If you pull that sheet off that ghost,

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you couldn't see the ghost. So it had to have

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a container, it had to have something that gave it

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its form. So this idea of God, like the belief

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of God. And we said, well, go, Jesus is God. Brother,

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It's like he doesn't get any deeper than that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's like, no, like you're right, he is.

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Speaker 2: But like that is to you know, denounce or say

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that every other concept of God or belief or a

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perception of God is wrong. No, it's like the simple

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fact that you have the perception that there is a

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God like creates it and allows you to experience it

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because you give it a form.

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Speaker 1: You think that maybe religion can be a sheet. Oh

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for sure. Just make sure I'm understanding, because I think

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that's where my mind went.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well it's religion or even yeah, and

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everything in religion.

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Speaker 1: Saying that religion is bad, I'm not saying sheets are bad.

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It helps us see for sure. But if you want

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to see yeah, yeah, like if you if you need

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to see it and you don't just want to use

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the other sentences or whatever. Yeah, that's what the sheets

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are there for, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or you need you need that to encounter it,

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Like we need Jesus to be a man who is

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touched by our infirmities. We need him to look a

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certain way. I have a picture of you know, a guy,

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you know that I that's not Jesus, you know, but

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to us, to me, you know it is. You don't

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look like that. This this picture of these these saints

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here right behind me too. This is gape pistis Sophia

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and elpis right, And those are personifications. Those aren't real women,

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like the most likely those women never existed, but they're

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celebrated in the Catholic Church in the Early Church and

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other mythologies. But they embodied them as real people, so

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that because you're a real person, you think you are

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right and so it allows you to well, if they

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went through it through prayer and they made it through,

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then I can too. So it's these stories and encouragements,

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these cloaks and things that they wear and they're literally

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wearing sheets, linen clothing. Right, that allows you to encounter

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them and and to you know, remember their story, you know,

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to get some type of energy or some type of

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eucharists from it.

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Speaker 1: Said, well, if God did it for them, he could

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do it for you could do it for me. And

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which that's true if you believe it, you know.

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Speaker 2: And so there's a beauty to religion, especially when you

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use it for the good of mankind, which is which

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I think it was supposed to you know, it's using

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This is the definition of magic or white magic is

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using the forces of nature and the power of God

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for the good of mankind. And so I think that's

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what religion is supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Another way to look at it, too, is that

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we we are those containers. Like you know, we always

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say Christ is in all and through all, and Jesus

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doesn't have thumbs. We say that a lot, That's what

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we say. That we get to be His hands and feet,

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and we get to hug people, and we get to

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perform sound baths for people and sing music for people and.

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Speaker 1: Do podcasts and try our best to encourage people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that we get to be that container you

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get to.

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Speaker 1: Create the best version of yourself and then give that

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or create someone you're proud of and give that person

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to the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, and our religious response is some

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kind of Jesus, right, You're like trying to be Jesus

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to you. I'm trying to you know, walk in compassion

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and love. And those are the qualities that I find

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in him that I've got.

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Speaker 1: He has tons of more qualities that we.

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Speaker 2: Don't even know because we haven't we haven't put a

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sheet on it, like, we haven't been able to experience

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it yet. Unless you go through the dark night, unless

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you piss him off, like, oh, he doesn't get pissed

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off one of that, you know, like unless you you know,

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hurt one of his sheep, unless you cause one of

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these little ones that believe in me to stumble. And

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then you're going to see what the you know, the

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back of you know, back hand.

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Speaker 1: Of the Lord looks like, you know, it's these different

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sides of God.

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Speaker 2: All of it's God, it's just parts that we haven't experienced.

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Speaker 1: You want to learn, you want to learn more about God.

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Look within, you know, examine yourself. You know, it's one

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thing I've learned, and it's not to bring God down.

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It's actually just realizing we're made in His likeness, oh

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for sure. So that's like I was having a conversation

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with somebody the other day and they were I don't

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know how we got on it. So somebody got in

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a fight and got the rest of blah blah blah.

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And I was like, well, so you did, and what

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you do? Oh, I know, I said. What I said was,

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I said, you know, there are very few things I'll

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go to jail over. But I said I and I

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think we might have been talking about fighting over a

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female or something. I said, there are two women in

473
00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:21,960
this world I go to jail for, and that's my

474
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,880
mother and my daughter. And so that right there, you

475
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,319
know what I'm saying. And then of course if I

476
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,359
was married my bride, So that right there, it kind

477
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,599
of gives you some insight into what's right, gives you

478
00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:36,960
some insight what I'm saying. Yeah, it's me, not you,

479
00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:38,759
but yeah, because I'm like, man, I don't care about

480
00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:41,319
women or whatever. Dude whatever, But dude, I'm not going

481
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,960
to jail. But nobody. Okay, you say that, I tell you,

482
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,240
I tell you right now that there are two people

483
00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:50,960
that if someone messed with I know that I'd be like,

484
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,640
that's okay, I'll go sit in jail. I've already had

485
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,440
that conversation with myself. It's okay, I'll go to jail.

486
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,519
Speaker 2: And then, so now you believe in that that God

487
00:22:57,559 --> 00:22:59,160
would do the same for you. I think that if

488
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,039
somebody mess with you and you see.

489
00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: God, you see that God can he you know he's God.

490
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,640
You know he writes the rules. So saying that he

491
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,720
breaks the rules is kind of an arbitrary thing, right,

492
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,519
But watching watching you know the way that humans act

493
00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:16,839
whenever it comes down to doing what is right for

494
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,160
those that they love, you know, or.

495
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 4: Doing right for those that they don't love. Even deeper, Sure, sure, sure.

496
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,799
Speaker 1: We turn it up right. Yeah, And there might be

497
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,240
an incident where you just see injustice being done right.

498
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,839
But I just know personally the conversations I've had with myself,

499
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:36,079
there might be something that it just happened so fast

500
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,440
and then somebody's like, Reggie, what were you think? It'll be? Like, dude,

501
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,119
I just wanted to do the right thing.

502
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: I couldn't not I could have I'm like, a I

503
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:42,880
could not?

504
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, how could anybody.

505
00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: And that's the weird thing too, of like the matrix

506
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,799
of like how can we look around and like nobody's

507
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,640
saying anything against injustice or you guys are letting this

508
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,079
stuff go on and turn the blind eye to it,

509
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,599
which is essentially who and what the character of Jesus

510
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,559
is and did right no matter where he went, and

511
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,319
that's what got him in trouble. It's like he's walking

512
00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:10,200
by these you know, pharisee religious pious figures who are

513
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,960
about to stone this woman caught in the act of adultery.

514
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,640
He was like, man, I know you, I know your family,

515
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,240
I know that you commit adultery. I know you y'all

516
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,279
are about to kill like hold on, Like there's got

517
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:23,039
to be a better way.

518
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 1: They would say to themselves, like if he knew what

519
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,559
kind of woman this one woman this was, he wouldn't

520
00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:30,440
even touch her, you know, and he wouldn't allow her

521
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,440
to touch him, you know, and things like that. And

522
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,000
he's like, yeah, I do know what kind of woman

523
00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:40,200
she is. You don't. You don't I know what I know,

524
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,799
her future, her pastor present. You don't. So that's what

525
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,039
we got to take into consideration.

526
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:51,319
Speaker 3: Man, So beautiful Christ was a portal. He is a portal,

527
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,000
He's a doorway. And to read in the Word when

528
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,440
it talks about that he's the way, the truth and

529
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,160
the life, and you can only come to God, come

530
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,920
to the Father through him. To read that, and you

531
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,559
see that he's opening a new door by saying that

532
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,799
that he's the way that people used to get to God.

533
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,119
Was following the rules by the letter, by the law,

534
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,759
Like they were stoning that woman because it said somewhere

535
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,920
on a tablet that you should stone a woman called

536
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,559
in the Act of adultery. But the new law of love,

537
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,079
he was able to flip it and like, if you

538
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,519
kill her, you should just kill yourself because you're guilty

539
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:34,079
of the same crime. Like he became a new door

540
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,559
for people who were excluded, who are counted out, the lepers,

541
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,599
the people called in the Act of adultery, the tax collectors,

542
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,240
all the people who couldn't access the only door to

543
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,799
get to the Father. He opened a new door.

544
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: For them, because they're looking for a literal door.

545
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,839
Speaker 2: Like I don't even think that, Like because he said,

546
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,519
no new law give unto you, I'm not like destroying

547
00:25:59,559 --> 00:25:59,759
all this.

548
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:01,279
Speaker 1: There's a new way.

549
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: It's like y'all just don't know what you're reading. Y'all

550
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,519
don't know how to interpret. Y'all thought this literally meant

551
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:10,480
to go out and stone people. This meant that you

552
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:12,400
have a heart of stone and you need to break it.

553
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,519
Like there's some deeper spiritual understandings that you always projected

554
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:20,079
on others. None of that was about anybody else. All

555
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,359
of that was about you and God. You are the

556
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,920
You are the enemy, you are the good guy. You are,

557
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,240
You're all of it. You're God's beloved, you are the

558
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:31,440
one that this son that is loved and the son

559
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,240
that is rejected.

560
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: You are and you.

561
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,319
Speaker 2: Experience and feel all those things. But yet this weird

562
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,319
self righteousness as were separated from God, but not really

563
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,440
you project out on everybody else. Or those are the

564
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,680
bad guys, those are the unclean, these are the clean,

565
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,079
This is the this is who we should love, that's

566
00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:52,599
who we should hate. And knowing that it was all

567
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,160
like these allegories and metaphors of our existence and our life,

568
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,640
and like, I feel like Jesus understood that and was like, man,

569
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,799
y'all are literally about to kill this woman. And if

570
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,920
you really and he said, if you really believe it

571
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,920
was literal. You'll go you do what Aaron did. I

572
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:12,559
want to repeat that, but it would take yourself into

573
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:14,559
her place. You will put yourself on a letter about it,

574
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,519
stone you because you next if you kill her, you're next, right,

575
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:18,839
because that's really.

576
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:20,079
Speaker 1: I have to be You have to be able to

577
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,440
read it that way. You know. You there is a

578
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:24,279
letter of the law, but there's a spirit of it,

579
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:26,920
you know, And and Jesus the letter of the law

580
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,160
and the spirit kill it. Yeah, that's right, and the

581
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,720
spirit give the life. That's right. And that's why Jesus

582
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:34,720
said I am the door. Maybe he literally became the law,

583
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,279
like literally became the law. And was the word made

584
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,440
manifest right like you said, a portal a vessel, so

585
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,519
and then that he That's when I was having this

586
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:48,400
conversation with my daughter last weekend actually because we got

587
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,200
invited to a passover sat her and on the way

588
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:52,039
on the way down there, we were having some really

589
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:56,440
deep conversations, you know, and we got to talking about

590
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,799
how I guess, you know, I religious people whatever you

591
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:02,599
want call church people, they could be very judgmental and such,

592
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,599
like you know, one of those stones. Yeah, people in general,

593
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,759
but at the conversation. That's what kind of was geared to.

594
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,640
But I agree with you, it's not just religious people.

595
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,240
But but I said, you know, I said, and I

596
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,440
told her, I said, Oh, that is is ego, and

597
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:17,559
so that's all that is, you know, And a lot

598
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:19,880
of people they'll use religion as a cloak or whatever

599
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,599
or as a crutch to prop up their ego. And

600
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,319
the reason, you could tell is because they focus on controllables.

601
00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:27,119
Oh you listen to that kind of music. Oh you

602
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,039
got tattoos, Oh you do this, you do that, And

603
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:31,519
they start thinking about the outward things that they could control,

604
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,240
and they start trying to you know, manipulate and control you, right,

605
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,559
versus trying to infect that on themselves and become humble. Right.

606
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,599
It was a Jewish stage. I can't remember which one

607
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:45,480
it was, but I shared this with her, you know,

608
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:48,079
and I really hang on to this. It says that

609
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,000
the old saying says that a religious man is concerned

610
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:55,559
about his own belly and another man's soul, and a

611
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:57,839
pious man is concerned about another men's belly and his

612
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,400
own soul. And it really that's really the dynamic, Like

613
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,960
you could tell when somebody's when the ego is out

614
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,039
of the picture, right, and spirituality is the source. Then everything,

615
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,960
like you said, it's turned inward. Right. And when you

616
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,759
read the scripture, you don't say, oh, those dumb I

617
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,400
don't know whatever writes you know, it don't matter, it

618
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,079
doesn't matter. It's I see myself. I'm them. I'm the

619
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,319
whatever mercy on me, right, I'm the feel of thine.

620
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,279
Speaker 2: I'm the I'm the man filled with unclean spirits.

621
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm We're all.

622
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm the disciple that that Jesus loved, like everything, one

623
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:33,720
of them.

624
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:35,759
Speaker 1: It's so weird, Like the more.

625
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,039
Speaker 2: We live life like like you have your people that

626
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:41,440
you identify with in the scripture, most scriptures, Christians want

627
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,880
to identify with Jesus, right, And because you or that's

628
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,359
what we're learning to only identify with the good guys.

629
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,920
That's the majority of Chritin Like, that's a hard one

630
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,240
to get over. And you identify with all goliaths.

631
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: The ones you thought were good guys, seeing them in

632
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,359
another light, they were somebody's back guy.

633
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

634
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:04,119
Speaker 2: Depending on who lives, who dies, or who tells the story,

635
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:06,680
is David the hero or is David the one who

636
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,680
committed genocide.

637
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: David will shut up, don't put your mouth on the

638
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:17,799
man of God. Hey, hey, that's yeah. You look at David,

639
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,319
you know, King David, God after man's own heart, and

640
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,519
read about the guy. Yeah, he's after your heart too,

641
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,039
and your your throat, after your flesh, after your heart.

642
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:31,920
He wanted to kill you after all of this. If

643
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,359
your wife was better.

644
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,279
Speaker 2: Than his, you was dead. That's most kings that came

645
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:42,279
after him anyway to this day today, the kings of

646
00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:46,640
the earth today, like they tell you straight up that

647
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:47,640
that's what they're gonna do.

648
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: Can't nobody stop them? You can't.

649
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:54,599
Speaker 2: So we digress. But it's to reevaluate, just to read

650
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:56,799
this stuff in a different light. Which has been super

651
00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,839
healthy healthy Maybe for me it's been in entertaining. It's

652
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,559
been very scary. I wanna say healthy. It's not healthy.

653
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:05,519
It's healthy as just to do what they tell you

654
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,480
to do and just keep keep it moving. But you know,

655
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,640
I don't think that is I don't know if that's.

656
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: No. You can lie to yourself longer, right, Ignorance is bliss.

657
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: So we haven't even really introduced Reggie.

658
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,559
Speaker 1: We go back with Reggie. I want to say I'm

659
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:23,000
gonna throw it.

660
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,039
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw a date out two thousand and eight,

661
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:25,839
two thousand and.

662
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,319
Speaker 1: Seven, Yeah, it was around that time we met.

663
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: Uh, probably my Space.

664
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: So I'll give you. I'm gonna give a little plug.

665
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,359
He probably doesn't listen to your show, but I'm gonna

666
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:43,480
try to send if you posted no. Joshua Roberts, you

667
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,720
probably know him. Yeah, he knew you. He knew you

668
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,599
because he was at a band. Yeah, and you was performing.

669
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,000
I think you guys performed somewhere, maybe at the skating

670
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:55,680
rink or something. Yeah. And I remember I'd seen your

671
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,599
stuff floating around on MySpace and uh, and I saw

672
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,839
that John Gosh was in a band that I was

673
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,119
in at one point, Vertical Clearance. Yeah. I was listening

674
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:08,240
to a Vertical Horizon the other day and it made me. Yeah,

675
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:10,480
So they started that band, and then they asked me

676
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:12,160
to help them manage it. Then they asked me to

677
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:13,640
be the singer. And I was kind of like a

678
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,799
standing singer for a little bit. Yeah, and then you know,

679
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,599
wife got pregnant. I had to move on, but I

680
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,039
still watched them online, watch them over the next couple

681
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:23,920
of years, and I saw they did a concert with you,

682
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,400
and I'd already been kind of listening to your stuff

683
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,920
and checking it out. It said truth Seek, and I

684
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,160
was like, I recognized Truthseeker because of the hoodie that's

685
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,000
Sonny Sondoval Where and when that which is where you

686
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,440
got your name from? Right, So anybody listening and watch

687
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:38,920
it don't know that. There you go. But I have

688
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,319
that poster actually hanging in my room. I got the DVD. Yeah,

689
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,440
I still paying dues, that's right. But that was their

690
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,480
satellite tour poster back in two thousand and two thousand.

691
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,680
It's rad and so anyway, I saw your name. So

692
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,039
that's kind of what pulled me a little bit. I'm

693
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:55,920
sitting here like, all right, I recognized that it looks

694
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,960
like a that looks like a pod kind of thing.

695
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,599
And of course Lifetime now look at past my time.

696
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,279
You looked the part. Now I've got the sult no

697
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,400
but uh no. But so then I think I I

698
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,839
think I might have followed you or whatever connected with

699
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,839
you on my space. I was asking Josh what he

700
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,400
thought about you. I think at the time you were

701
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,559
really political. I think, yeah, everybody you had released the

702
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:19,000
follow Babet.

703
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:24,559
Speaker 2: Then well, you had some songs from that.

704
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:26,799
Speaker 1: You had some songs from that was already out, that

705
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,119
was already out on your MySpace. Yeah, a lot of

706
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:31,920
your stuff was from fight music though, that was on

707
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,720
your my space. So that's how old, that's how far

708
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:36,880
back we're going. But you had yeah, yeah, yeah. And

709
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,319
I asked him. I was like, I was like, Josh,

710
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:40,839
what you think about this guy? You say? He said,

711
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,640
he's really political, but he he didn't disparage you at all.

712
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,880
But he was like, really political and that's just he said,

713
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,240
that's almost say And so Josh, he's good. He's a

714
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,160
good guy. He's a good guy. Yeah, he didn't disparage

715
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,720
you at all. He just was trying to be as

716
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,759
very bearingly honest as he could. And at the time

717
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,519
he wasn't. He was wasn't telling a lie. But then

718
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,319
I think seven was the inside job. Hey, there you go,

719
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:01,960
there you go.

720
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,799
Speaker 2: Trump is Q and on Trump is has always been now.

721
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,639
But listen, was I not a forerunner? You were, dude,

722
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:11,679
were so everything that I believed. Is it now the

723
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:12,280
new normal?

724
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember that one time I texted you

725
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,360
on nine to eleven anniversary just saying nine eleve is

726
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,719
inside job, and you said, dude, that's so ten years ago.

727
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:21,440
I remember you telling me that. I was like, I

728
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,719
can't tell you nothing, bro, You're already ahead of the

729
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,360
curve on all of it. But yeah, man, but I

730
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,039
think you reached out to me at some time. Tell

731
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:33,480
me I was right, You was right, dude. That's hey.

732
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,400
It saved me from when the way ever knows. I

733
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,719
just feel right because she's like there, he's not right

734
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,400
most of the time.

735
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:44,559
Speaker 2: Right, No, No, it's normal though. Everybody's everybody wants to

736
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,840
be right. Yeah, everybody. Yeah, and they're not going to

737
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,519
get And I told you so, don't look for that.

738
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:52,639
But like now, the conspiracy hit the church like crazy

739
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,639
with Trump and Q and on, you know, with CoV

740
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,679
I D like all that stuff.

741
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,039
Speaker 1: That came out that.

742
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:03,679
Speaker 2: I'm glad I went through it when I did, because

743
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,559
it hit folks hard.

744
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:10,639
Speaker 1: Supers. Yeah, it's been hard. They hit my fans hard.

745
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: They got mad because I wouldn't drink that water anymore.

746
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:16,719
And they're like sending me documentary. I like, but I

747
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,840
don't want to watch none of that. I said, I'm

748
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,079
trying to fight my butt off to maintain my piece.

749
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,800
And I know what conspiracy theories do. I don't want

750
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:25,639
to watch any of those.

751
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,599
Speaker 1: You got to man, trust me, Man, this is the one.

752
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:32,199
Speaker 2: And they were doing what I had already, what i'd done.

753
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,159
Speaker 1: You're walking the path, so you already, you've already been there,

754
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,079
so you've got you've got grace toward them, you got

755
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,119
mercy toward them. You're not going to try to tell them.

756
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:41,320
They'll figure it out, and you can't tell because there's

757
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,599
only there's only one way, one way the path ends, right,

758
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:47,360
and I think we've all been there. Spiritual fixed yourself. Yeah,

759
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,920
that's the only way you're gonna because you end up,

760
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,360
you end up realizing, like dude, it doesn't matter how

761
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,800
much I know, you can't change any change. You can't

762
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,159
change them. The only person you can change yourself.

763
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: And that change and that's where it leads.

764
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: That's where it leads. But yeah, so that's how we met.

765
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,320
On my I think I was posting some stuff and

766
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,320
maybe you was posting some stuff. We might and then

767
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,960
finally I think you might have messaged me, but like, dude,

768
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:14,000
let's link up, and you sent me your number, yeah boom,

769
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,199
And you was doing some driving. I was doing some

770
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,199
driving for work. So we ended up talking on the phone,

771
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:19,920
a lot, meeting in person, all that this stuff and

772
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,559
just went from there. Lots of good memories. So that

773
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,079
was I want to say that was seven I think

774
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:25,880
seven o eight.

775
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, long front conversations too.

776
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ended up finding out we had a lot in coming.

777
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:40,159
I remember that. Yeah. Yeah.

778
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: So we people asked me, you know all the time,

779
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,079
how did the podcast get started?

780
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:45,079
Speaker 1: Like how did you saw a podcasting?

781
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: Because I've been doing it a long time before the

782
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,239
podcast was the thing, we called them radio shows, and

783
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,920
I always say, like I was driving a truck and

784
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,960
I would do these you know, three way calls with people,

785
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,760
which would turning that eight way calls because everybody would

786
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,159
you would use that three way and we have eight

787
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:06,159
people on these calls that would last like eight nine hours.

788
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:10,000
Some people would stay on like my whole shift and

789
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:11,760
while I was driving, and it helped me get through

790
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,960
the day. And it was fun. And we're talking about

791
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,119
the Bible, doing Bible studies, we're praying for one another,

792
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,679
talking about conspiracies, just hanging out and we did this

793
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,239
every day until definitely me and you we'd have some

794
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,079
deep conversation like man, we should this should be recorded, man,

795
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:28,679
Like listening.

796
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,119
Speaker 1: Other people need to hear this.

797
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: And so from that moment, it was like, Okay, I'm

798
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,840
going to try when we get when I get off

799
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,760
of work, I'm going to do a radio show and

800
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,400
come back on I remember me and you. You were

801
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,360
like one of the first ones that I did it with,

802
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,119
and yeah log talk.

803
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:47,119
Speaker 1: Radio we were talking about like demons and manifestations of

804
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:49,519
spirits and stuff. Yeah. I still got that on my

805
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:50,679
laptop somewhere.

806
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,679
Speaker 2: Right, that's crazy. Yeah, that was a while back, but

807
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,280
that's how they got started. And that was in I

808
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,800
officially started. I wouldn't say like twenty eleven, but like

809
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,760
it was like around that time, maybe before that, we

810
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,400
even got started.

811
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,639
Speaker 1: It was no sense. The podcast wasn't even the thing.

812
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: So did Truth Seeker invent the podcast?

813
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: No, it was a radio show, but there was no radio.

814
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:13,880
I called it a.

815
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,679
Speaker 4: Radio show talk Shoe TalkShoe dot com yeah, all the

816
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:22,559
free the freedom yeah, and then the other ones people

817
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:25,159
could call in those are dope, like and I started

818
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,559
like early and quality was so bad, but got a

819
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:29,840
lot of.

820
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: Views on it and stuff.

821
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: It was it was fun, but that's how it got

822
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:39,840
started from that. So Aaron may have some some questions.

823
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, speaking of conspiracies and debates in the Christian community,

824
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:51,280
there's this debate about the Holy Bible of what color

825
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:58,280
should originally be. I'm sorry what color? What color were

826
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,880
the first Holy Bibles?

827
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: Oh? They were green? I thought you was serious for seconds.

828
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,400
New Testament, Psalms and Proverbs too, those were the books.

829
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we got so talk a little bit about

830
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:19,159
the green Bibles because you two, we hear a lot

831
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:20,000
about the green.

832
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,159
Speaker 2: Because people like, we laughed. O. We just laughed our

833
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,760
butts off, and I felt good. But people listening, they're like,

834
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:26,679
what is what is this?

835
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:29,159
Speaker 1: Why were they green? What year were they? Got a

836
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:30,440
little men on the joke, dude.

837
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:36,119
Speaker 2: So I had brother Wayne voice, still have it voice?

838
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:39,400
And you you had a voice that would match it

839
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,519
in a character and stuff. And so let's just go

840
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:46,000
into character about the green Bibles. And I'll let you

841
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,559
set it up.

842
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: How you're DoD? Brother? You heard? Well? You have you

843
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:53,840
read the Word of God lately? I had, come on, son,

844
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,960
I got you, hang on, let me put let me

845
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,840
put this up right here Here we go, here we go.

846
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,599
I he brother Wayne, are you dead? How you doing this?

847
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:07,599
Is Roscoe Rossmann how you doing, brother, praying for your family?

848
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,440
Praise God? Praise God. I was just calling you to

849
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,960
see if you had any of them green Bibles. I

850
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,119
passed the sarah Land Senior Citizens Center on the wave.

851
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:20,960
I was wanting to go drop off some green by Hell.

852
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 2: I tell you one thing. If you get a box,

853
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,440
I know you need to bring down there. Just assemblie

854
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,000
because uh, sister sister Susanne Somers. Uh, you know the

855
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,280
one that used to do the.

856
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: The bowflex.

857
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:45,039
Speaker 5: And yes, show family n step by step all out

858
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:45,880
of characters, you know.

859
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,159
Speaker 1: But I passed out some of them green Bibles the

860
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,119
other day, brother Wayne, And how did you get up?

861
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:51,840
How'd you pass them out? How'd you do it with

862
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,159
my hands? Son? The old school hen?

863
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: Well, hell, they got your on camera. Throw them out

864
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,320
the wonder you threw them at them children? You like

865
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,119
you tossed them like CDs.

866
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,679
Speaker 1: I was doing some of that Young Bible. Yeah. But

867
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,360
those kids said that they had they were red Bibles.

868
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,440
And I said, no, I'm sure the Greens. They said,

869
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:14,000
r E A D Bible. That's the Mormons. That's the Mormons.

870
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,199
The Mormons are trying to slip slip one in you.

871
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,599
It's called the watch Tower. I think he's a watch

872
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,440
at them. Jehove's brother watch Tower. This is what my

873
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:26,280
friend Alonzo.

874
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,079
Speaker 2: I don't think you ever met Alonzo, but Alonzo would

875
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:35,199
call Watchman. Remember Watchman called watch called watchman watch tower.

876
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: That's that guy, watched tower Man. How's watch tower doing?

877
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,639
You mean hot tower, Dante?

878
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's the Green Bible, that's the green and we

879
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,239
would just do that for a long time.

880
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:49,599
Speaker 1: Print call we would call. Yeah, and I remember the

881
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:51,519
print calls. Those are funny too. You kind of went

882
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:53,119
that way when you said I was throwing them out

883
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:56,639
the windows. Bible, I'll throw them by hid in the head.

884
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,440
This is a Roscoe ros I don't know. I got

885
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,440
your phone number from Derek ross Earth. I don't even

886
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:06,039
know what Derek Grosco or something like that. I'm like, uh, anyway,

887
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,280
fun time. That was fun.

888
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gideon's Green Bible, which are in all of the

889
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,559
hotel rooms.

890
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:14,039
Speaker 1: They got like a deal. Yeah, you know, put the

891
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:18,440
little bought those things in bulk, got them container. Yeah,

892
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,800
them off a train. Yeah, man, you got anything else?

893
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: Uh? So I heard that you've met the last Apostle

894
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,119
to America.

895
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: Oh dude, Yeah, that's right. The only apostle there is,

896
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,920
that's right. Was that guy's name was his Wade Demmers.

897
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 2: Was this bro?

898
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, saloman Ya Shua, Yeah, bro, remember that guy. I

899
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:44,480
remember that guy. So that was interesting. Yeah, that was crazy.

900
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,239
That was yeah, definitely crazy for sure.

901
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,039
Speaker 3: So who was he? Give us some context?

902
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you. The first time I saw him

903
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,039
was that I didn't get I never seen him. I

904
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:55,280
saw him, didn't know it. Well. I found out later

905
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,280
that it was him. So I went to a books

906
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,960
a million Joe Mugg's cafe, you know, in Meridian, Mississippi,

907
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,519
and that's where he was living, and and I had

908
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:12,440
seen there was this group of people there that he

909
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:16,000
had like this long beard in the corduroy jacket, and

910
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,119
he was talking to a lady who had like a

911
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:20,800
covering on her head and everything and a skirt. So

912
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,159
she looked very like she looked the part, you know

913
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:25,239
what I'm saying. So, and I'm sitting here I was

914
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,000
at that time. I was like kind of going through

915
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,440
my Jewish roots, messianic, really hardcore. So when I saw them,

916
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,679
I was kind of looking on him, and by the way,

917
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,639
he looked right over at me and made like this

918
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,360
really intense eye contact with me, like like he he

919
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,679
knew I don't know, or I knew or whatever.

920
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,199
Speaker 2: He could smell you he's a predator and you were.

921
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,679
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. So I didn't think nothing of it, right,

922
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,719
I just kind of was like I kind of overheard

923
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,480
him talking. I don't know what they were talking about

924
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:54,599
with something spiritual. Then a friend of mine, I won't

925
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:57,400
name him, but he he was living down in like

926
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,639
fair Hope, and this guy shows up at the church

927
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:02,239
and you give me a.

928
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,519
Speaker 2: First name or something because I'm trying to put together

929
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:05,039
how we.

930
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was a guy named Josh that called me. Right,

931
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:12,679
I don't think you've met him, but he calls me.

932
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:15,400
I'm living in Mississippi. But I had warning you of

933
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,480
the guy too. Write well. He called me and asked

934
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,480
my advice because the guy because Wade showed up. He

935
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:24,119
would because we told him where we lived. And he

936
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:26,360
was like, I'm coming to you. I will see yeah,

937
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,280
because I told him about the Well. No, I'm sorry.

938
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:32,840
So my friend, my friend Josh calls me because he

939
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,119
showed up at the church that I used to go

940
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:35,719
to when I live.

941
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,559
Speaker 2: He told the guy where he used to go to church.

942
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:39,119
So he went from Meridian.

943
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: I think he showed up down there. I don't know,

944
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,880
maybe he did, and it was like almost three hours away,

945
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:47,960
and he took his group and went down there and

946
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:50,880
showed up at the church and was trying to get

947
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,559
my and he was like talking to my buddy Josh me.

948
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:57,199
He's like, he's like, dude, He's like he seems kind

949
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,440
of real, like, but he was like a young believer,

950
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,079
like really believer, right if we're looking for the real deal,

951
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:04,280
and he's saying, dude, he's like. He told me I

952
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,800
need to go sell all I have and give my

953
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,360
money to the poor to come follow him.

954
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: And he was he was the poor that needed the money.

955
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: And so I kind of got pulled into that because

956
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:19,280
I was asked for advice and then I started talking away.

957
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,920
I said, well, give me his number, I'll call him.

958
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,159
And then that's when he started telling me, you know,

959
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,199
I've read the Bible one hundred and eighteen times. All

960
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,840
the shepherds have gone astray. I'm the last apossible, the

961
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,119
only one to America one.

962
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,599
Speaker 2: And he would say was that conviction and tears.

963
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: He believed it the last one to America, yes, and

964
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,880
he would. That was pretty trippy. So then I started

965
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,800
talking to you about it, and you was like, give

966
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,119
me his number, and you guys say, so you introduced

967
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,079
him to me. I think I gave you his number

968
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,000
and you called him or something.

969
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 2: Because you know, white Mike lived in Meridian too, so

970
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,519
I didn't know how you.

971
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, no, it wasn't Mike. It was a guy

972
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:56,199
named Josh. But but yeah, there was some crazy stuff

973
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,280
that went down, like at that church, and they ended

974
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,559
up kind of like they let him stay there for

975
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,119
a night, but then they asked him to leave the

976
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:02,760
next day.

977
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:07,679
Speaker 2: They wouldn't and he probably knew the laws of like evictiontion, like.

978
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: Oh, you can't kick me out. But that dude was

979
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,599
super crazy.

980
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:14,119
Speaker 2: But at the time, like we just invited him into

981
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:17,079
our phone calls, like our long Bible studies, and he

982
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,960
had some Bible knowledge and stuff. But he was super militant.

983
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:23,920
He was super militant and we were militant too, just

984
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:24,360
just young.

985
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: Like he was literally when you say he was a

986
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,880
predator to look for prayer, he literally was. He was

987
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,559
like and I'll give you an example because when he

988
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:35,039
came back to Mississippi, I was going to a church there,

989
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,280
and and I remember him saying, well, we're meeting over

990
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,880
here at this building. You should come, because we were

991
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,360
having conversations and he was trying to convince me that

992
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,559
I needed to come, you know, study you know, under him,

993
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,280
under him and stuff. And I'm sitting here, like, you know,

994
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,119
I just was getting some checks about it, you know,

995
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,719
but I was getting something out of the conversations. But

996
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:57,920
it was more or less like it seemed like somebody

997
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,679
who really did feel that spiritual isolation, like the rest

998
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:04,760
of the world is kind of a little off, you know,

999
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,119
so somebody and so there is a there is a

1000
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:09,760
bit of that kind of like gives you like this

1001
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,119
swass attraction, like you feel like it is this guy whatever.

1002
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,760
And then I remember he called me or texted me

1003
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,960
and said that he wanted me to come or and

1004
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,480
I said, I'm actually going to my church. So then

1005
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:25,639
he's texted me and he said, I'm like, I'm at

1006
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:29,679
my church with my family this Sunday. And he texted

1007
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,840
me and he said, oh, so you found a church

1008
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,159
that teaches the Word of God. And he wanted to

1009
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,639
know and he's like, so maybe we should come there.

1010
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was like going around to all these

1011
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,280
churches trying to find I were talking about.

1012
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: He wanted to show up and confront the pastors, is

1013
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,800
what he wanted. And he what he would do is

1014
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:47,440
he'd show up.

1015
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: He had a voice too, He had a freaking weird

1016
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,519
that's how he would a brother.

1017
00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:57,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he would he wanted. And I talked to

1018
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,719
my pastors about it. They had had a running with

1019
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,599
him twenty years prior. He said he came in here

1020
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:05,159
and he said that he wanted to sit down and

1021
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,480
talk and rebuke them. He said that he wanted to

1022
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,159
counsel us, and they weren't having it. He had to

1023
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:12,880
stand off with the police. Yeah. Yeah, there was a

1024
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,119
lot of and I don't know if it was.

1025
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:15,679
Speaker 2: To shoot up, but a standoff where he had a

1026
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,280
sick child that they were.

1027
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: Like, he was refusing to give up.

1028
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,639
Speaker 2: Definitely ill or whatever, and they wouldn't. They were just

1029
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:24,519
fastening and praying and wouldn't bring them, bring them to

1030
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:26,199
the siky. Yeah.

1031
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,679
Speaker 1: And so whenever I told that's what that incident where

1032
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,559
he was trying to come to my church, I was like, no,

1033
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,360
I'm not telling you where I'm going to church. Yeah,

1034
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,960
And and then I think that he had his assistant,

1035
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:43,239
his executive assistant wife. Yeah, she's a friend. Yeah, probably

1036
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:49,679
concubine or something. Was telling me that basically, like you know,

1037
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,679
you should come up, come here, or tell us where

1038
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:54,280
you're at, we'll come there. And I was like, well,

1039
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,159
I'm just testing some things. And when I said that, bro,

1040
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,960
I might as well just spit in their face, because

1041
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,159
she called and left me voice messages. You think you

1042
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,639
are coming against the prophet questioning the amount? Yeah, and

1043
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:11,000
then he called me and left me like twenty voice man.

1044
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: And it was always brother wretch because for me, thank

1045
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:16,760
you're the apostle.

1046
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: He's like, you think you're for here, And he told

1047
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,559
me straight straight up, like you think you're hearing from God,

1048
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:24,159
but you're not. It's demons. Was like, so I told him,

1049
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,840
I said, so, brother, wait, if I'm not hearing from God,

1050
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,360
then how do I know he's leading me to you,

1051
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,400
because he's telling me He would tell me God's led

1052
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,199
you to me, but then tell me that I wasn't

1053
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,320
hearing God. So I'm like, dude, so you got to

1054
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,400
pick one. Man. I'm either hearing God and he led

1055
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,920
me to you. I'm not hearing God.

1056
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,199
Speaker 2: So it is so crazy how that dude didn't kill us.

1057
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: You know, thank thank you bank account. Thankful. Yeah. You

1058
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,159
and I had a lot to talk about for a

1059
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:51,000
long time after that too, because you would call me

1060
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:54,800
up on the phone and be like, brother, wretch, are

1061
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,280
you calling my wife a witch?

1062
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:03,079
Speaker 2: He like, I remember one time because we're talking, you know,

1063
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,039
he was like, Okay, if you're in a five four ministry,

1064
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:07,679
you know, what do you identify with?

1065
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: What do you think you are?

1066
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: You know, we'd answer like, and there's a lot of

1067
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:12,639
Christians talk about that. We'd like, well, I'm in five

1068
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,280
for I feel more like I'm an evangelist. My calling

1069
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,920
is to go out and reach the lost and go

1070
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,719
in the neighborhoods or you know, I feel called to

1071
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:23,800
to to be a pastor and shepherd. And I'm more

1072
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,719
of a prophet. I'm more of a you know, I'm

1073
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,519
into the prophetic. I want to declare the oracles of

1074
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:32,679
God and restore the foundations, and and and when we

1075
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,760
would talking about that with him and you on the phone,

1076
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,960
and you said, I feel like I'm more of an apostle,

1077
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,800
more of an overseer, one who plants churches.

1078
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,119
Speaker 1: And that kind of thing.

1079
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:43,559
Speaker 2: I feel like, if I had to pick one, that's

1080
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,039
that's what I would be. And then he were like, Okay,

1081
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:47,000
that's good, Reds.

1082
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:50,199
Speaker 1: But then eventually he was like Reds, there's only one.

1083
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,639
You're apostle Reds. It was almost like the Trump kind

1084
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:58,119
of things. He was a spiritual narcissist.

1085
00:50:58,159 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 3: Dude.

1086
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: That guy was all about his ego. Dude, the greatest apostle. Yes,

1087
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,159
it's never been another. I got of like, Daniel, make

1088
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:12,519
apostles great again? You know these are like we had

1089
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:13,079
you know what?

1090
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: And I tried to I tried to call table while

1091
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:18,039
I was just gonna just jump, just throw Tave on

1092
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:21,280
the phone and just ran man. But because Tave was

1093
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,559
always asking me like, eventually Tave was like, truth, where

1094
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:26,800
you meeting all these people at?

1095
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,599
Speaker 1: Man? He said, you meet all these people on the internet.

1096
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,159
Speaker 2: Bro. You met Reggie, you met Wade Demmer, and we

1097
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,519
just go down the list of all the record the

1098
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:37,559
Israelite leaders and I'll need friends and get them all

1099
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,360
on the phone. Ta was like, Man, where are you

1100
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,679
meeting all these people on the internet?

1101
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: Bro? You got to quit meeting people on the internet.

1102
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 3: I said, why is little tap I met you on the.

1103
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: Internet, man, like we're talking about. But yeah, that was

1104
00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:54,760
one of the one of the quotes that I always

1105
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,159
think about when I think of Tave is when you said,

1106
00:51:57,159 --> 00:51:59,679
it ain't nothing wrong. Get crunked for the Lord.

1107
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,159
Speaker 2: He said, so, he said, anut were debate over.

1108
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: The Yeah, we were done. We were debating music, and

1109
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:05,960
he said, we're getting crunkd for the Lord.

1110
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:12,039
Speaker 2: Brother, brother crunk means crazy. Reggie Resue would come at you, though,

1111
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,280
Reggie said, brother krunk means crazy drunk. You are crazy drunk.

1112
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,360
We say for the Lord, though, Brother, for the Lord.

1113
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: We drunk got to do for the Lord on it.

1114
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,960
It's good. We redeemed it. We redeemed it for the Lord.

1115
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,599
Speaker 2: Got funny fun times, yeah, man, I mean yeah, we

1116
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,039
learned a lot in hindsight to not meet people on

1117
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:34,480
the internet.

1118
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,599
Speaker 1: But I'm a DJ now, I don't mind getting crunk,

1119
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:39,239
so I don't care crazy. But that means yeah, crazy

1120
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,880
the Lord for the Lord. Yeah, I know there's another

1121
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:44,440
one on there.

1122
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so there was one more. It was just

1123
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,639
a name drop. And I know this person, but probably

1124
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:51,199
not as well as both of you do, but I

1125
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,480
do know them. Jeane Duffy. What does that name mean

1126
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:54,639
to you?

1127
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,039
Speaker 1: This is that the guy the guy who wrote the

1128
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:01,960
songs and was like, is that the guy that one?

1129
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:06,719
Was like ha ha that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he

1130
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,920
was the one that was the King James only guy.

1131
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,519
Yeah yeah, And you said every time. And I remember

1132
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:14,760
this because every time he'd call him, he danced the

1133
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,320
phone like he just woke up from a nap.

1134
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 2: He was like, hello, yeah, yeah, you came to the

1135
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,800
Bible study that that's right. We had a little building

1136
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,599
that somebody let us use that we kind of it

1137
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:24,880
was like.

1138
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 1: A dance hall. Called it a church.

1139
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a recital like place, and we

1140
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,480
called it a church. But we just had Bible studies

1141
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:32,440
and concerts there.

1142
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: And I remember used to want a lot of concerts

1143
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,159
there for hot minute, for sure. Yeah it was. It

1144
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:37,639
was wild.

1145
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: But he we brought him there to do a Bible

1146
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,119
study and I think you came right. Do you remember

1147
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:43,679
her being there?

1148
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: Because she doesn't remember it. I thought she was.

1149
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 3: I don't remember a lot of stuff though.

1150
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,039
Speaker 1: Well, there was one that we went to and it

1151
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:52,400
might have been the way the one that Jean was there.

1152
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,280
And I remember there was one that I brought my

1153
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,599
ex wife and a friend to and my kids, and

1154
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:00,719
so I want to say that you were there.

1155
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:02,039
Speaker 3: I remember meeting them.

1156
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: Was there and they were all playing one at the house.

1157
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,159
They were sitting down chopping it up. But I don't

1158
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:11,000
remember who was Who was your other friend you brought cam.

1159
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:14,719
There was one other dude, Jarvis what was his name?

1160
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,280
Man had He was carrying around a Jewish Bible and

1161
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,360
he was talking about like because he was Joe. Is

1162
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,880
that who it was? It's been such a long time ago.

1163
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,320
Came in in with a beer and keep it on. Yeah, yeah,

1164
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,719
I don't remember if it was that time or if

1165
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,840
it was too sad. It never ended well. Bible studies

1166
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,960
with Joe never ended well, yeah.

1167
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: Just so argumentative, which I know. You know I became argumentative,

1168
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:39,840
and Bible studies but me never ended well either, you

1169
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,320
know what I'm saying. But Gene Duffy Man, that dude, uh,

1170
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,079
he was a street preacher, that's a street performer. He

1171
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:51,119
would just get up like weird songs. And one of

1172
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:52,719
them was hot High that he recorded.

1173
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: He recorded CDs and handled them out and you gave

1174
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,960
me a copy of it, I believe, or maybe it

1175
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,480
no he gave it to me because he brought it

1176
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:00,679
to that Bible study, and I'll listen to it and

1177
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,239
I'm like, man, this is kind of weird, but it's like, yeah,

1178
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,119
it's like really true. They think, they think think, they think. Yeah, yeah,

1179
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:12,280
they sound like something here, like some drunk clown or something,

1180
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,039
you know, right right, it's like a whole But he's

1181
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:18,519
singing about the Lord, you know. And he's like talking

1182
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:21,480
about how the King James Bible was the purified version

1183
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:25,880
of the word the fourth uh three times sixteen eleven. Yeah,

1184
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,559
like three times purified or something like that. I can't remember.

1185
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:29,719
He was saying some scripture.

1186
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had some wild stuff, as we all do,

1187
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:35,000
but he had some good stuff too, Like, uh, I

1188
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:37,559
learned a couple of things I learned from him, like

1189
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,400
especially about their KJV but their KJV only, and I

1190
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,199
think I turned into that for a little while.

1191
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,119
Speaker 1: I still read the KJV, but I'm not KJV only.

1192
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: But he just just the idea of the the thy

1193
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:55,400
thou and thine to our Western mindset, like those are

1194
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,880
all the same things, Thou art thye brothers, like they

1195
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,000
all meant something different. Whether there was a singular, plural possessive,

1196
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:07,400
like he knew all that. And when he would read

1197
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,639
a scripture and then give it more context with the

1198
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,800
ddi thou and dines in there, I was like, wow,

1199
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,519
that makes a lot of sense than these other versions.

1200
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:17,800
We were like, yeah, the new King James just takes

1201
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,880
the d die thou and dying out and it's like

1202
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,760
but it changes like this context that obviously he saw,

1203
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,639
you know, precious or whatever he saw that. You know,

1204
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,360
they were in there for a reason in the KJV,

1205
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:33,239
so I remember he shared that. Another thing he shared

1206
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,320
at that Bible study, which is kind of shocking and

1207
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,039
it stuck with me, was he talked about Caesar, and

1208
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:41,760
he talked about this decree that Caesar did that first

1209
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,000
of all, wanted to sleep with everybody's wife. But he

1210
00:56:46,039 --> 00:56:48,840
also said that Caesar like when they demanded to have

1211
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,119
the first born and have the children killed, that they

1212
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:55,760
went and cut the woman's belly down the center and

1213
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,400
took the babies out of the mother's wounds to kill them.

1214
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:02,840
And that's where the term sea section comes from that

1215
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:09,119
we have in the medical industry. Section came from Caesar

1216
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,719
that he would cut the women's stomach open and take

1217
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,079
their babies and kill them, and we still use the

1218
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:16,199
term I'm.

1219
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:17,039
Speaker 1: Gonna have a sea section.

1220
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,519
Speaker 2: It's like he shared the Bible study and I was like,

1221
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:22,679
that's pretty wild, that's pretty deep.

1222
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I don't remember that, but

1223
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,559
that's cool. You don't remember that. I mean, you forget, dude,

1224
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,960
I don't. Like there's a lot of things. Yeah, there's

1225
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,639
a lot of things I remember, but I don't remember you.

1226
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:35,039
Speaker 2: Know that.

1227
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: I guy like a crazy I remember. I remember a

1228
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,480
lot of things, but there's certain things I guess that

1229
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:41,440
just didn't like anchor down, you know what I mean.

1230
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,400
But I have more of a lot of times my

1231
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,679
memory is more kind of photographic, Like I could tell

1232
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,440
you what you were wearing, what kind of piercings you had,

1233
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,800
how your hair was cut, you know all that stuff.

1234
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,559
Speaker 3: That's me Like it's funny because like you know, the

1235
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:59,320
number pad, were the three digits at the top, like seven, eight, nine,

1236
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:59,880
four or five?

1237
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: The pattern?

1238
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:04,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, the pattern? Like I can remember numbers because I

1239
00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:08,199
can remember the pattern, Like looking at that number pad.

1240
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:11,159
It's so weird, but the visual helps me remember.

1241
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: It could be something about that trauma response too, though,

1242
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,800
because me I know at the time, I was like, what, Yeah,

1243
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,400
it did what It cut women open?

1244
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: And we still use that termin Oh God, I said,

1245
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,679
that was like like a part of me one of

1246
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,239
says that I remember hearing that, but like I don't

1247
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,639
distinctly remember hearing it from that.

1248
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,719
Speaker 2: But yeah, because I don't think we had him at

1249
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,719
too many Bible studies, is what I'm saying. So I

1250
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,199
was like, well, maybe those are a different one. I

1251
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:33,800
was like, I don't think there was a second. Yeah,

1252
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:39,599
but he had so sixteen hundred, so the year two

1253
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:44,920
thousand would have been four hundred years right of the KJV.

1254
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,880
He rode around in a van that's and it said

1255
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,880
happy birthday to the KJV four hundred years old KJV

1256
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:55,719
sixteen eleven, four hundred years old.

1257
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,199
Speaker 1: That that was his thing.

1258
00:58:58,039 --> 00:58:59,639
Speaker 2: He would go up to the people, he would street

1259
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:02,760
preach to people, not about salvation, but about the Bible. Hey,

1260
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,320
which Bible do you own? It? Like he would literally

1261
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,079
that was his lead and say, oh, I think we

1262
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:09,840
got an n I V family. N I V get

1263
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:14,599
it out of your house now? Is not inspired version?

1264
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,239
Speaker 1: That's right, or the nearly inspired version is some pastors

1265
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,159
to call it. Our message was it wasn't long. It

1266
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:23,280
was probably around the same type period, if not a

1267
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,000
little bit after it that. I read a book by

1268
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:29,400
Gil Ripplinger called New Age Bible Versions where she gets

1269
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,880
into that probably every version except the KJV.

1270
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is bizarre because it's not the original language,

1271
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,960
and the original language is so different from even the KJV.

1272
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:43,119
Speaker 1: That's it's vastly different. You start doing word studies in

1273
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:47,199
the KJV, and yeah, it was translated to represent the

1274
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,039
theology of the king, not necessarily the truth of the

1275
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,599
actual original script.

1276
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,079
Speaker 2: What I would say, I'll go on record saying this,

1277
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,599
like to get in like an original KJV New Testament,

1278
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:02,159
for sure, is just to go read the the the

1279
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:08,840
Greek theology or Greek mythology if you wanted like a better,

1280
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:12,960
like a more accurate translation. It's literally go read has

1281
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:18,639
the Odd, Go read Homer, go read Plato. Like there

1282
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,920
is some of it's like word for words stuff that

1283
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:22,519
predates the Bibles.

1284
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 3: Right, I was like, one thing that really blows my

1285
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:24,840
mind too?

1286
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,679
Speaker 1: Is that beautiful though? Oh yeah, absolutely, because it's all

1287
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:28,159
in there.

1288
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,639
Speaker 3: The English words in the KJV had different meanings when

1289
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:36,679
they were first put in the KJV, versus what they

1290
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,679
mean today. The dictionary definition changes over time, absolutely, and

1291
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,039
then you.

1292
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:46,639
Speaker 1: Get into I always use the example, especially whenever I'm

1293
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:51,440
like talking to my kids and things about understanding the Bible, right,

1294
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:54,079
because there's a lot of you know, a lot of

1295
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:56,079
people would just say, oh, it's full of holes, it's

1296
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:58,199
got a lot of issues. You know, people interpret it

1297
01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:00,360
their own way. I said, of course, you know, so

1298
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:03,719
like for example, if I told if I said, Derek

1299
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,039
hit the road, jack, you know exactly what that means. No,

1300
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,519
I finished the song. Listen as you come back, right,

1301
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,920
you know exactly I'm telling you to get out of here, right,

1302
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,360
scram Let's go two thousand years in the future, four

1303
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,920
thousand years, six thousand years from now. The English language

1304
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,239
is dead and gone. If it is around, it's something

1305
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,559
completely different. Yeah, And the American culture is dead and gone,

1306
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,639
and people are reading it literally literally and saying, why

1307
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:33,320
would Reggie tell a man named Derek to go strike

1308
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:33,840
the pavement?

1309
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: And then in pastors all around the world will make

1310
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,199
up a reason. Yeah, Well, that's because hitting the road,

1311
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:41,639
that's how they got their anger and frustration. Now is

1312
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,719
a great way to do that so that nobody gets hurt.

1313
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,079
But you, right, and then you probably get a whole

1314
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:47,679
sermon on it.

1315
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you should. We should get Ai to create

1316
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,800
a prober and ask yeah, hitting the road like yeah,

1317
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,800
you could be like yo, what's the exactly and you could, dude,

1318
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,119
you could And that's that's kind of like the some

1319
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:04,199
of the modernism I use. But if you go into idioms, yeah,

1320
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:06,440
if you go into Hebrew idioms and things like that,

1321
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:09,960
and I'll call him here saying yeah, Jesus, well, like

1322
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,000
you know, talking about I finine b single and it

1323
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,280
was talking about being a generous giver and things. Well

1324
01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:17,639
there's people who say that too, but I'm talking about

1325
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:19,960
in the language of the day, right, ask that you

1326
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:21,920
are sage. They'll say, well, that meant you are a

1327
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,320
generous giver, right, And but nowadays we're sitting here saying, well,

1328
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:28,599
talking about your pioneal Glen and whatnot.

1329
01:02:28,639 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: Which I don't think it. I mean, I would want

1330
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:31,400
it to mean.

1331
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: And if it means that, that's cool, you know, But

1332
01:02:34,119 --> 01:02:36,599
I mean, because it could link that way to a degree,

1333
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,679
there's a lot of script that what it was a Yeah,

1334
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,599
that being said, there's a lot of things that can

1335
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,440
be multiple layered in the scriptures. Not the beautiful thing

1336
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,320
about it because you you get into you know, you

1337
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,840
talk about somebody like Gene. Listening to him is pretty

1338
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,119
cool because you learned things. Right, Is that going to

1339
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:57,760
take me where? You know? Is that going to be

1340
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,320
the end all, be all of my spiritual journey?

1341
01:02:59,440 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 3: No?

1342
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:03,119
Speaker 1: Can I test all things and cling to that which

1343
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:05,440
is good? Absolutely? And you could do that with all

1344
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,239
these different teachers. There's different ones like Bill Donahue, he

1345
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,880
does he does, he uses the zodiac in the scriptures,

1346
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,480
and there's different things like that. Michael Cesarian was one

1347
01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:16,280
used to listen to back in the day. But you

1348
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:18,760
really start looking at and then you go read the

1349
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,840
scriptures again and you're like, wow, now I'm seeing something different.

1350
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,400
You mentioned mythology. You go back and read it after

1351
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,559
you've read mythology, and you're like, now I'm seeing things

1352
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:32,280
differently the scriptures borrowing things. So one of the things

1353
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,960
that I ran into first thing, I was reading a

1354
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:39,679
book called the Sabbath. It was written by Abraham I

1355
01:03:39,719 --> 01:03:42,480
can't remember, no, it was I can't remember his last name,

1356
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,079
but anyway, he was written by a Jewish guy. And

1357
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,480
this a book called the Sabbath it's kind of like

1358
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,039
a treatise, right, and he quotes he says, for man,

1359
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,760
this guy who doesn't believe in Jesus does believe in issue.

1360
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,480
He's not misaionic or anything. And he in the in

1361
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:00,920
his book wrote, you know, sabbath man was not made

1362
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,559
for the Sabbath. The Sabbath for man. And I'm like,

1363
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:06,360
wait a minute, Jesus said that. Come to find out,

1364
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,800
Jesus was repeating something that was taught that came around

1365
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,400
a couple hundred years before him. See so and you

1366
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,559
just read the Bible, you're reading the King James, and

1367
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:18,320
you go into church. We thought those guys.

1368
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,519
Speaker 2: We thought Jesus and Paul were original.

1369
01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: Dude, you start and that was kind of the gateway

1370
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,320
for me because I had heard, you know, Jesus and

1371
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,119
Paul borrowed from Yeah.

1372
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,679
Speaker 2: Of course they did, oh borrow from the Old Testament first, right,

1373
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:32,320
And then he's like, oh, that one.

1374
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,719
Speaker 1: But they taught they taught things that was being taught

1375
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,159
in Greek culture and Hebrew culture. Yeah. And so when

1376
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:42,000
you realize that, just like conversation we're having now, you

1377
01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:45,000
and I talking about pop culture, are talking about American

1378
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:48,840
politics or anything like that, yes, right, there's all kinds

1379
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,199
of things. We could say that it came from different sources,

1380
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,519
and uh, and you know, just because it comes from

1381
01:04:57,559 --> 01:05:02,719
a different sources, that negated's truth absolutely, not on who

1382
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:03,079
you asked.

1383
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,719
Speaker 2: I mean that was that was when you know, I

1384
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,920
guess when they're awakening it personal awakening started getting deeper

1385
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,559
as we would say the same biblical truths but we

1386
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:14,400
would quote them different or say Buddhist version or something

1387
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:15,719
else that we found it.

1388
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: It was the same truth.

1389
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,079
Speaker 2: It was just worded differently from a different perspective, but

1390
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:23,480
it was the same truth. But if it is demonic, yeah,

1391
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:26,800
but it's as demon it's like, oh, that's what that's

1392
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,800
what we're playing. We're playing factions here, y'all. Ain't after truth.

1393
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,679
We're playing faction.

1394
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who says it, but the right person

1395
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,800
has to say it. And it's like, if that's the case,

1396
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,519
then you guys are hanging your hat on one person

1397
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:43,239
or one set or whatever. I'm trying to find the.

1398
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:51,559
Speaker 2: The actual him here, just fucking quoted quote it, right,

1399
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:54,360
But it's it's in the Hymn of Zeus. It's what

1400
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:58,880
it's from the where Paul says it's talking about God,

1401
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:01,719
the creator is like in him we live and move

1402
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,159
and in him we have our being. Yes, and they're like,

1403
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:06,519
oh yeah, we can resonate with that. That's from the

1404
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:09,559
him of Zeus. Like most Christians don't even know that,

1405
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:12,639
not just that, but it's so much more like he's

1406
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:18,199
using their language and things that they can understand their idioms, right, Like, Okay,

1407
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:20,840
you guys know what Zeus is, right, almighty all powerful father.

1408
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: Okay, and he's the creator.

1409
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:25,639
Speaker 2: Okay, what if there's one that you know that we're

1410
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:28,599
all inside of, Like this is what we're talking about,

1411
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:31,480
and he you know, so much of that was quoted

1412
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,840
and I'm finding so much more that that you could

1413
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,599
never find, Like you can never say aha, because it's

1414
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:41,719
the greatest story ever told. It's it's I find it

1415
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:46,159
so beautiful because it's it combines all stories together. So

1416
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,480
it is Greek mythology. And it would be people like

1417
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:53,239
like Bill Donahue or other people who would say the

1418
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,679
Bible is purely Greek mythology, brother, or pure allegory, or.

1419
01:06:57,719 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: So it's pure allegory.

1420
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: It is, but it's not only exactly or or let's

1421
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:08,880
say simply say simply it's simply astrology, because it's astrology,

1422
01:07:09,079 --> 01:07:13,639
and it's Suemerian mythology and Greek mythology and Egyptian magic

1423
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,039
and Babylonia and everything. And that's what makes it so

1424
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,920
amazing that there's something in it for everybody, depending on

1425
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:24,280
what's in you.

1426
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:29,199
Speaker 1: That's why if you become the uh, the pagan police,

1427
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:33,079
which we were, we were, and I know people still

1428
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:34,840
who are that way, and it's like you want to

1429
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,119
point everybody else to say it's all pagan. I was like, yeah,

1430
01:07:37,239 --> 01:07:38,639
you're right, Yeah, you're right.

1431
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 2: Hey tomorrow, Abraham, what's tomorrow?

1432
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,599
Speaker 1: Well, it depends on which side of the coin you're

1433
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:47,280
standing on, but yeah, let's just go for Easter. Yeah, yeah,

1434
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:54,400
I know, Passover, it's already happened. Well, Easter paysock, pay sock,

1435
01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:58,320
that's right. So like remember, you know I was that

1436
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,559
and you probably were there too. I'm celebrating Ishtar. Yeah.

1437
01:08:02,719 --> 01:08:05,599
What does eggs have to do with Jesus? Fertility? Dude?

1438
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like fertility is demonic, is it? That's

1439
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,119
how we're here, you know, Well that's what we we

1440
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:17,439
said that you be fruitful and multiplying, replenished the earth, right,

1441
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,039
we said it was behind it. Yeah, but I mean

1442
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:22,520
it's it's like, yeah, it's really easy to just start

1443
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,079
pointing the finger and cutting, splitting every hair. But then

1444
01:08:26,119 --> 01:08:29,199
you end up It's kind of like Aaron said earlier,

1445
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:32,319
it's like, okay, well you're without sin, cast the first stone.

1446
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,399
You end up if you follow that trail long enough,

1447
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,119
you end up throwing stones at yourself.

1448
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: Right. And there are people who are still out there,

1449
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:42,159
you know, saying, oh, it's all pagan. I'm like, yeah,

1450
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:47,199
you're right. You know what was Abraham when God met him? Right? Yeah?

1451
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 2: Who was my thing was? It's always been this. This

1452
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,600
is always my pursuit from the beginning, like which came first?

1453
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:56,800
Like what what Christianity was first? Because I know the

1454
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,840
Christianity we have now, And then I read the Bible

1455
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,279
and I'm like, hmm, thos Christians and it's pursuit of

1456
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:04,760
true Like I read about Jesus and what's going on

1457
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,159
in this chair down the road.

1458
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:08,239
Speaker 1: Ain't got nothing to do with with him.

1459
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus loved everybody, y'all hate everybody, you know what

1460
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,079
I'm saying, Like Jesus kept the sabbage y'all blasphemous that

1461
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,800
like so we're just like seeking and trying to get

1462
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,399
to the original or what looks more biblical.

1463
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean that was.

1464
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:23,399
Speaker 2: I mean that's a and that's where those people who

1465
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:26,239
are calling thanks pagan, I mean they're probably somewhere along

1466
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:31,800
that journey which we've all been on. And so you know,

1467
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,239
it always keeps goes down, like which came first? And like, okay,

1468
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,199
they didn't do Easter, they did Passover. Okay, they didn't

1469
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:39,760
do Passover.

1470
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,279
Speaker 1: It's like, but even then, Passover hasn't always been around exactly.

1471
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:44,920
So it's like what was before Passover?

1472
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 3: Well, it talks about in the scriptures they baked cakes

1473
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:48,600
for the queen of Heaven.

1474
01:09:49,079 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they called it evil. Somebody called it evil.

1475
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:54,560
It's like wonder But then you say, you're not supposed

1476
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,520
to ask why why weeping for tamoos? Why was that evil?

1477
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,520
Because like why because it's a different god. Because time

1478
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:09,319
moves is hell. I didn't say that, Hey, we used

1479
01:10:09,359 --> 01:10:11,680
to we read books and we know all this stuff,

1480
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,960
but now everything came full circle because it's like who

1481
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:14,520
came first?

1482
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:18,319
Speaker 1: Time moves or Jesus right read his story. Yeah, I've

1483
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:20,520
heard and I've heard pastors get up and say that,

1484
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:23,119
you know, like, because you remember we used to have

1485
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:26,600
the Christmas debate, which Christmas is? It is what it is, dude,

1486
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,920
Like you know, Cyclopedia Britannica but lays it out pretty straight.

1487
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,920
If you want a good source on Christmas and where

1488
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,680
it came from, Yeah, definitely predates christ I remember trying

1489
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,680
to research that was kind of the the pinnacle for me.

1490
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,760
That's kind of what started off for me. Was because

1491
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:46,640
I was on fire, you know, for God, for Christ,

1492
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,840
you know, and and I'm like, you know, Christmas is

1493
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,319
so mixed up, Sannah. They're always trying to say keep

1494
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:53,319
Christ and Christmas. I said, I'm going to research it.

1495
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:55,720
I'm going to celebrate it the right way. And then

1496
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,079
the more I researched it, the more I realized, yo,

1497
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:01,119
yeah that's pretty messed up. Had people challenge me like

1498
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:05,000
Christian stole a pagan holiday. I'm like now, and then

1499
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:08,039
I started researching. I'm like, okay, all right, yeah yeah

1500
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:08,800
we did. You're right.

1501
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 2: I always like fantasized because there was there was a

1502
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,920
billboard and mobile that said keep Christ in Christmas. Yeah,

1503
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:17,319
and while that time, I was like, we need a

1504
01:11:17,319 --> 01:11:19,880
billboard it says take christ out of Christmas because he

1505
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,680
was never there to begin with, you know, kind of

1506
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,000
thing like in this Christian understanding whatever.

1507
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,399
Speaker 1: But I mean, if Christmas is this thing for what

1508
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,239
it is, it was the christ Mass that it started by. Yeah,

1509
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,520
the christ Mask that was started by you know, the

1510
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,359
Roman Catholic Church. So I mean, sure, okay, you want

1511
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:37,439
to say the sun dies, that's right, And if you

1512
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,960
follow it back far enough, it's really it's e'stra theology.

1513
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:42,239
And like I said, it's like when you really start

1514
01:11:42,279 --> 01:11:45,279
thinking about it, is is what it's about? Is it

1515
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:48,159
actually evil or is it good? You know? And I

1516
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:51,199
mean you're not as long as you're worshiping the Creator.

1517
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,680
I mean that's what it gets back to the heart

1518
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,640
of and and that's where it came to for me,

1519
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,279
Like instead of being being militant against Christmas, I'm thankful

1520
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:01,960
for the opportunit unity of peace and good will toward

1521
01:12:02,039 --> 01:12:04,840
my fellow men, you know, And that's that's where that

1522
01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:08,359
comes full you know, we talk about full circle and

1523
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,479
not you know, take an ego out of the picture

1524
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,319
and just saying what can I change?

1525
01:12:12,359 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 3: I could chance be rice is there because you can

1526
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,600
even see it in people who aren't believers at Christmas time,

1527
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,640
like that joy and that generous spirit, and you know,

1528
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,840
the giving and the charity and Christ the Child, like

1529
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,640
all in wonder, like all of that is there for

1530
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,680
people who even don't believe. So he's there now, Like

1531
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:34,520
that's what brought.

1532
01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: Me back to it.

1533
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember I was so militant. I would

1534
01:12:37,119 --> 01:12:38,159
get angry around.

1535
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: Christo used to hand out pamphlets and stuff. I remember

1536
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,479
you telling me that. Yeah, I'm kind of a shame

1537
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,359
that that stuff, you know. I mean there's a time

1538
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:46,039
in the season though. It's kind of like I thought

1539
01:12:46,079 --> 01:12:47,600
I was doing the right thing, you know, and I

1540
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:48,920
was an asshole.

1541
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,199
Speaker 3: Was just like Jean Duffy. He thought he was doing

1542
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:55,960
the right thing, and he showed up at Walmart every

1543
01:12:56,039 --> 01:13:00,319
weekend preaching out on the loud speaker, to the point

1544
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:03,119
where he literally got stabbed for it. But he showed

1545
01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:05,079
up faithfully because he really thought he was doing the

1546
01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:06,439
right thing and helping people had to.

1547
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,560
Speaker 2: You couldn't tell him anything different, Just like, there's nothing

1548
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,800
you could have told me then that truth, You're going

1549
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,079
about this the right way.

1550
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:16,079
Speaker 1: I could quote a scripture.

1551
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,600
Speaker 2: And he who wins souls as wise and be wise

1552
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,600
as serpents but harmless as doves, and I would give them.

1553
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,880
They'd invite me to the church to perform and do

1554
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,079
my music. And I had these pamphlets I created with

1555
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,439
you know, anti Christmas and Christmas trees and saying it

1556
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:33,680
was pagan and all that stuff.

1557
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,279
Speaker 1: And then I would like, hey, can we get your autographic?

1558
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 2: Sure, And I give the pamphlet and I'd signed the

1559
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,359
pamphlet and they would say the Awakening Church on it

1560
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,600
on the front. But then when they flipped it and

1561
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,319
the church had a Christmas tree in it, that even

1562
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,560
like invited me, and I just felt so bad and

1563
01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:52,680
like after the fact, like during I thought I was

1564
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,159
like this militant, you know, warrior for Christ. And it's like, no,

1565
01:13:56,279 --> 01:13:59,039
you're a douchebag, right, you know, And that those people

1566
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:02,239
betrayed their trust, you know what I'm saying. And people

1567
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:05,920
trusted you to, you know, to to speak to you know,

1568
01:14:06,039 --> 01:14:08,600
these young people, right, But you live and you learn,

1569
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:09,000
you know.

1570
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean you and I we used to

1571
01:14:11,119 --> 01:14:11,600
butt heads.

1572
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 3: Man.

1573
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:17,079
Speaker 1: We were both very pro used. You're fun like that dude,

1574
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:23,840
a man ah man man ah man. Yeah, we both

1575
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,439
we both had a lot, a lot to learn, you know,

1576
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,279
and and grow through. You know, we were young, we

1577
01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:32,680
were young men. You know, we thought we knew a

1578
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,800
thing or two. All we knew was that there was

1579
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:38,840
a lot we didn't know a lot that our souls

1580
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,279
had to a lot of wisdom. Our souls had a game.

1581
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,319
And then and you know, we're still learning, we're still growing.

1582
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,079
You know, here we are in our forties, and it's like,

1583
01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:49,720
what do we know? How old are you? Forty one? Yeah?

1584
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:51,880
You was that much older than me. How old do

1585
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,600
you do? Twenty six?

1586
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, perpetually?

1587
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I was talking about me myself and

1588
01:14:59,039 --> 01:15:01,399
I I talk about my helf of plurality all the time. Bro,

1589
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:02,439
it's all good.

1590
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 2: But twenty six, oh my god, we got a Ronnie

1591
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,039
the Gray's coming out there?

1592
01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: You go, you got more great than I do?

1593
01:15:11,039 --> 01:15:15,399
Speaker 3: I think, Slash he's not okay, not what twenty six? Yeah?

1594
01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: In the Lord, in the Lord, serving the Lord there, if.

1595
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,399
Speaker 3: You can get crunking the Lord, you could be twenty

1596
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:25,199
six six.

1597
01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 1: That's right, that's probably old. I'm twenty six in the Lord.

1598
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,399
Yeah that's right. Yeah, there you go. So, yeah, we

1599
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:33,800
talked about a lot, so I I don't know how

1600
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:34,520
long we've been going.

1601
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,359
Speaker 3: We don't have a little over an hour.

1602
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: Cut off time.

1603
01:15:37,079 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 2: But one thing we were talking about when we were together,

1604
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,119
because we got to see the Deftones together.

1605
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, freaking freaking first time for you. Yeah, it was

1606
01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:48,239
the first time for me. I've been I've been into

1607
01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:50,880
him for about twenty years. What a show. That was

1608
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:51,960
a good show we got.

1609
01:15:52,039 --> 01:15:55,319
Speaker 2: We got to see a healthy, skinny Chino throwing down.

1610
01:15:55,239 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: Looking good. Up.

1611
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: There been off of speakers at you know, he's fifty

1612
01:15:59,079 --> 01:16:01,640
at least I think fifty one or something.

1613
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: See the reason I like deathtnes is because deafthtnes is Pod.

1614
01:16:05,079 --> 01:16:07,640
They got those guys, that's their favorite band. Yeah they

1615
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,760
still to stay. They'll be like, dude, like Deathtones are

1616
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:10,319
our favorite band.

1617
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,319
Speaker 3: You can definitely tell the influences there.

1618
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,039
Speaker 1: And I think I think when they got when when

1619
01:16:16,199 --> 01:16:19,119
Pod started getting big and they signed with Atlantic and stuff,

1620
01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:21,359
and they go on they went on MTV and they

1621
01:16:21,399 --> 01:16:23,640
were like, guys, you need They didn't even they said,

1622
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,279
we didn't know how it worked. They're just like, hey,

1623
01:16:25,279 --> 01:16:27,279
you got to check out our boys. Deathtones man got

1624
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:30,880
checked and now look at Deathtones. Bro like they're they're big.

1625
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,479
They're big. It just turned you know, they didn't even

1626
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,359
know Lincoln Park was another one. Check out our homies

1627
01:16:36,399 --> 01:16:40,079
in Lincoln Park, bro. So it's pretty cool watching that dude.

1628
01:16:40,119 --> 01:16:41,920
So that's kind of what got me into him. Man,

1629
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,479
to be honest with you, that was a fun show.

1630
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,520
It was Deaf Tones, so we got to hang out there.

1631
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,800
But we were talking about some deep stuff there too.

1632
01:16:51,359 --> 01:16:55,960
When we got the top. Was talking about vibration and

1633
01:16:56,399 --> 01:16:58,359
power of thought and belief attraction.

1634
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:03,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was listening to Timaeus, which is a

1635
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,199
book by Plato. You know, you had these characters that

1636
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,520
it was about the creation of the world and some

1637
01:17:09,079 --> 01:17:12,600
awesome stuff that they borrowed from the scriptures, like the

1638
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,680
Scriptures borrowed from some of the stuff, but it's about

1639
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:21,800
the creation of the world. And they used they use

1640
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,000
the term the law of attraction. So like in our minds,

1641
01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:26,960
like the law of attraction came out with the secret

1642
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:29,479
like like you you know, it's like this new it's

1643
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:30,359
new age, it's.

1644
01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:32,319
Speaker 1: All news, like it was the pop culture ticket.

1645
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 2: This is something like just as old as the scriptures

1646
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,119
where they talked about the law of attraction and men

1647
01:17:38,279 --> 01:17:43,000
willing things to themselves because of you know, their genetic makeup,

1648
01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:46,119
like with their chemistry and their body, the quality of

1649
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:48,119
their thoughts and all of these kind of things. And

1650
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,119
which was something that we were talking about, you know,

1651
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:57,000
just a couple of weeks ago. Your vibe attracting things

1652
01:17:57,039 --> 01:17:57,720
to you and stuff.

1653
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,279
Speaker 3: That's why I said, like, I'm so passionate about the

1654
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,159
human body and the way it stores trauma because a

1655
01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:07,399
lot of people store trauma in their bodies and they

1656
01:18:07,399 --> 01:18:09,800
don't even realize it. So then they attract more trauma

1657
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,039
and it's just like a cycle. Until you can clear

1658
01:18:12,079 --> 01:18:16,159
it out, you're gonna keep attracting the same stagnant stuff

1659
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:19,800
that you don't want. But I found that out myself

1660
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,239
personally when I got healed of a bunch of trauma

1661
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:27,279
that I thought I was over, and thankfully Jesus came

1662
01:18:27,319 --> 01:18:29,359
in and said, no, you need a little bit of surgery.

1663
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,319
We got to remove some of that stuff. But then,

1664
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,800
like he showed me almost like an X ray of

1665
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,800
the body and how your body stores it in these

1666
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:42,520
different energy points. And yeah, that's wild, But you do

1667
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:48,399
you attract what's whatever vibe you put out intentionally or unintentionally,

1668
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:49,279
You attract it.

1669
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,399
Speaker 2: I mean, just as very simple and go back, and

1670
01:18:55,119 --> 01:18:57,279
I don't want to I'm gonna use this example. But

1671
01:18:58,279 --> 01:19:02,479
you know Wade Demmers mentioning a predator can smell a

1672
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,880
prey from a mile away, like he can look at

1673
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,560
So you attracted him. He could smell you.

1674
01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: Oh this is UH.

1675
01:19:08,079 --> 01:19:10,279
Speaker 2: I was looking for something, a young truth seeker who

1676
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,279
is UH, who will believe anything.

1677
01:19:13,319 --> 01:19:15,199
Speaker 1: Let me tell him. I read the Bible eighteenth time,

1678
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:16,119
mean get out of here.

1679
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:22,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read the Bible like people like predators can

1680
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:26,239
look at people and smell and see like.

1681
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 1: So in a sense, you attracted. We attracted that dude

1682
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:30,359
into our lives.

1683
01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: We were like ecstatic that we met this guy who

1684
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:36,359
knows the Bible better than anybody, and he's willing to

1685
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,560
talk to us for hours. And then now he's trying to,

1686
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,279
you know, take all our money and have us come

1687
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:44,800
live in the woods with him and stuff. You know,

1688
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,319
it's like we attracted that in our lives.

1689
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:52,039
Speaker 1: We needed that. On some vibrational frequency, we attracted that. Yeah,

1690
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:54,760
he didn't like trick. He didn't trick us. We were

1691
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,039
looking for him. So that's like we're saying that I

1692
01:19:57,239 --> 01:19:59,840
was listening to somebody the other day and he said,

1693
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,640
and he went on that he made a whole podcast

1694
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,079
episode talking about everything that happens to you and your

1695
01:20:05,159 --> 01:20:07,520
life is your fault. And he was talking about that.

1696
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:11,279
He was talking about how and you know, and somebody say, oh, yeah, well,

1697
01:20:11,319 --> 01:20:13,159
what if you're walking down the street a meteorite falls

1698
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:14,840
and hits you in the head. And he was like, look, dude,

1699
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:17,680
the less than one percent rare exception to the rule

1700
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,039
is not an argument against the rule. So the rule

1701
01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:22,640
still exists. Most of the things happen in your life

1702
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,279
because you're attracting it, or a decision that.

1703
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 2: You've made, you know, or a belief that you have

1704
01:20:29,159 --> 01:20:31,800
and you're just unaware of it at the times.

1705
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,399
Speaker 3: Decisions other people make, but you're just close to them,

1706
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,359
so it affects you too percent.

1707
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: So the fact that you're in their proximity is a

1708
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,640
decision you made and you didn't even know.

1709
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: But it's I didn't notice, dude was going to rob

1710
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:44,479
the store.

1711
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,239
Speaker 1: I was just driving. How do you know? You know

1712
01:20:46,279 --> 01:20:48,520
what I'm saying, How do you know you're not going

1713
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,239
to be perfect? You don't make every like He used

1714
01:20:51,239 --> 01:20:53,079
the argument about like when you're in a car accident.

1715
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:57,560
How insurance companies weigh the percentage of fault. Right, So

1716
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,319
let's say I run into you in a car accident

1717
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,159
and they'll say Reggie's one hundred percent at fault. That

1718
01:21:03,279 --> 01:21:06,640
doesn't mean that Derek's zero percent at fault, because there's

1719
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,520
going to be two insurance companies and they're gonna look

1720
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,000
at you and they're gonna say, what could Derek have

1721
01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:12,560
done different? You know, how could he be able? Okay,

1722
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,039
so Derek's forty percent at fault, Reggie's ninety percent. Well,

1723
01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:18,479
that doesn't mathematically add up. That's right, because it's on

1724
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:22,319
an individual basis, and that's how fault works in life.

1725
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,520
And then another thing of h and we go back

1726
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:27,920
to that time period while I was talking to you

1727
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,039
about on the time that I felt that that piece

1728
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,880
and everything I had. Somebody recommend a book. It's called

1729
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,399
The Power of Your Subconscious Mind by Joseph Murphy. That's

1730
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,239
a really good book. It's a life changing book. So

1731
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,279
your listeners a reader, I would highly, highly highly recommend it.

1732
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,279
But it gets into talking about the power of your

1733
01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:50,359
subconscious mind, how your subconscious mind makes up the largest

1734
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,000
majority or the percentage of your mind, and it's the

1735
01:21:53,039 --> 01:21:55,560
part that basically runs on autopilot. It's like the computer

1736
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,960
running in the background. It's what keeps your heart beating,

1737
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,680
your blood flowing. You go yes. And it's also so

1738
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,039
like when you're driving, you ever driven somewhere and not

1739
01:22:03,159 --> 01:22:06,119
even you don't even remember how you got there. You're subconscious,

1740
01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:09,600
your subconscious minded that right. So you you you tell

1741
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,439
your subconscious mind what to believe, You program it, right,

1742
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,239
And that gets into scientific prayer. You and I were

1743
01:22:15,239 --> 01:22:18,000
talking about that and the way that you pray, praying

1744
01:22:18,079 --> 01:22:22,399
and with a grateful heart and as if it already exists.

1745
01:22:23,279 --> 01:22:26,920
Whatever it is you seek, not help me or help

1746
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,399
this person, but thank you for the healing, thank you

1747
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,880
for whatever it is you seek. And and it really

1748
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:37,000
gets into how we program our thoughts, which like that's

1749
01:22:37,079 --> 01:22:39,000
kind of how I explain, like you know, all right,

1750
01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:42,760
he puts me in a position where I can I

1751
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,000
can take more responsibility, and it gives you more freedom,

1752
01:22:46,119 --> 01:22:48,920
right because you're not this a victim just floating through

1753
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,000
the cosmos and things are happening to you.

1754
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, we say life isn't happening to you. Life is

1755
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,840
happening through you. That's right, you become a conduit.

1756
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,520
Speaker 1: It's what we call it.

1757
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 2: Just turn an autopilot off, because we go through life

1758
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,760
as an autopilot and uh, you know, just become a

1759
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,640
victim of circumstances versus like, hey.

1760
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: Can I change? Can I?

1761
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: Like we're playing a game, a game called life. We

1762
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:15,960
haven't read the rules.

1763
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 1: We didn't know that.

1764
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:20,520
Speaker 2: Oh, like all of these situations like you know, you're

1765
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,760
just you know, guilty by association of some of these things.

1766
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know that was the thing. I didn't

1767
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,039
know that. If this guy gets out and robs the store,

1768
01:23:29,079 --> 01:23:29,840
I didn't do anything.

1769
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: I had no idea. Guilty by association. You drove the

1770
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,920
getaway car, but I didn't know. Don't matter, Like if

1771
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,960
you know that, lock the door and take off and

1772
01:23:40,079 --> 01:23:41,760
leave when you see him pull the gun out of

1773
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,880
in the in the in the gas station, lock the

1774
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,079
door and leave, I ain't.

1775
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: You're not getting back in my car. I didn't know

1776
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:48,039
the rules.

1777
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:52,119
Speaker 2: Right, So once we were learning as we go. There

1778
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:55,279
are cultures and our people, the powers that be that

1779
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,800
know the rules, and they use our ignorance against us.

1780
01:23:59,319 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: And so we're we're.

1781
01:24:00,399 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: Learning in real time going through this or or we

1782
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,000
have the ability to learn and to take these tests

1783
01:24:06,079 --> 01:24:07,800
or whatever that some are harder than others.

1784
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 1: And and and we learned.

1785
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:14,319
Speaker 2: We learned compassion, We learned to love, We learned to forgive,

1786
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:19,920
We learned hard lessons, you know, not all that sometimes

1787
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,079
we had to take, you know, pop quizzes and comes

1788
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:24,880
up multiple times. We learned to trust, We learned faith.

1789
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,439
But there's people who are raised in that and they

1790
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,319
teach their they teach, they raise up child in the

1791
01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:33,920
way that they should go when when they're older they

1792
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,520
don't depart. That wasn't just going to church. That was

1793
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:40,000
how to play the game. That was how to play monopoly.

1794
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:42,520
That was that was how to play real estate. That

1795
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:44,960
was how to invest. That was how to change the tire.

1796
01:24:45,399 --> 01:24:48,239
Not everybody. We're not all built the same, you know.

1797
01:24:48,359 --> 01:24:51,239
And when most of us are going through this experiment

1798
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,880
called America, figuring it out as we go. Yep, and

1799
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,359
you're doing a good job. Give yourself a pat on

1800
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,439
the back. You're still here. You still got your sanity,

1801
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,800
what's left of it? Man hold on to it. Telling

1802
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,319
me is awesome because he got you. Man, God brought

1803
01:25:07,319 --> 01:25:08,640
to you this far and not to let you go

1804
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:09,479
for just right.

1805
01:25:10,279 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the lessons will keep repeating themselves until you learn

1806
01:25:13,039 --> 01:25:15,319
the lesson that was meant. And a lot of times

1807
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,520
that's just you changing your mind. M h change how

1808
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,920
you respond. That's right, changing your mind. It starts there. Yeah,

1809
01:25:22,359 --> 01:25:23,880
I was like I knew that.

1810
01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 2: The thing early on for me was like, don't freak out.

1811
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:32,920
My test is you're gonna have these bad financial situations happen.

1812
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:33,840
They're gonna keep happening.

1813
01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:36,279
Speaker 1: Don't freak out because.

1814
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 2: Every time they would happen to unexpected build I don't

1815
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:39,680
have the money for that. Don't freak out. We got

1816
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,319
bills right now, we don't have the money to But

1817
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,039
it's like I know it now. It took me, you know,

1818
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:46,319
years of going through and really panicking it because it

1819
01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:49,760
didn't change anything. Only thing it is like the cortisol

1820
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,239
that you're releasing your body and stress is going and

1821
01:25:52,319 --> 01:25:55,119
now you're panicking. You're pushing that into the world. You're

1822
01:25:55,119 --> 01:25:58,600
trying to borrow money from people. You're scaring I'm scaring errants,

1823
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,159
you're scaring me, We're scaring child, shaking her.

1824
01:26:02,079 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna live in a van on the river. She

1825
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,159
would love that, by the way, she actually owns the van.

1826
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,920
Like you know, nobody told.

1827
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 2: Us, but we learn don't freak out, don't panic, and

1828
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,840
we have all this stuff happening. Is the hey, I

1829
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,239
came into this world with nothing. I don't get to

1830
01:26:19,279 --> 01:26:21,279
bring anything with me when I leave.

1831
01:26:21,399 --> 01:26:23,199
Speaker 1: It's not about what you take with you, It's about

1832
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:25,640
what you leave behind. And try not to leave dead,

1833
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,600
is what I'm trying to do. Well. I mean, you know,

1834
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,159
you think that was something that I thought the other

1835
01:26:31,279 --> 01:26:35,600
day because where did I hear it? You constantly hear that,

1836
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,800
And you know, if you've been in church at all,

1837
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,600
that's a that's a very you don't see you all

1838
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,319
behind hers, right, And it makes out like life is

1839
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:49,359
all about what you get, all about materialism, and like

1840
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,880
that's the message of life. And I'm like, you know,

1841
01:26:53,279 --> 01:26:56,720
I look and it's just like something, especially recently, is

1842
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,319
kind of really just switched. Because I remember I was

1843
01:27:01,039 --> 01:27:05,199
asked to eulogize my grandma's funeral back in January, and

1844
01:27:05,319 --> 01:27:07,119
one of the things I said, because there was a

1845
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:09,239
lot of people, a lot of lives, did you did

1846
01:27:09,319 --> 01:27:11,680
you lead the whole procession or whatever? And just there

1847
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,159
was a point where I spoke and I spoke, and

1848
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:17,439
they asked me to sing a song. And whenever I

1849
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,039
got up there and shared, and I looked around at

1850
01:27:19,039 --> 01:27:21,000
all the faces in those in that room that was

1851
01:27:21,079 --> 01:27:23,199
mourning her and that loved her dearly because she was,

1852
01:27:23,359 --> 01:27:25,439
you know, in her eighties and touched a lot of lives.

1853
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,640
I said, she's still here with us in every life

1854
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:33,960
that she's touched. And that's the thing. It's like, dude,

1855
01:27:34,199 --> 01:27:37,520
I'll look around. And so then it's like you think

1856
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about truth Seka, Aaron, Reggie and the lives that we

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01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,920
have the potential to be a part of, and that continues,

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01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,079
and long after our names are forgotten, what we leave

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01:27:51,159 --> 01:27:54,319
here continues, and that's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,199
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not about what you take with you.

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It never has been right, you're gonna leave that stuff here.

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Speaker 2: I think I think the Bible was talking about that

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from Genesis, the revelation that it is an it's a

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natural process that we over it's very spiritual, but but

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01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,680
we we put a sheet on it to personify it.

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Speaker 1: The wind.

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Speaker 2: We give the wind a name because in the Jewish

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01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,199
mysticism and the Bible, the wind has a name Zephyr,

1870
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and which direction is coming from the type the heat

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01:28:26,399 --> 01:28:31,319
like so, but these are natural things that govern this

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01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,760
realm and and the Bible is it's a part of

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01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:39,399
the eternal, everlasting life. You're I just had a conversation

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01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:41,840
with dude last night who went to that fight.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Chris Carter. He met this random dude.

1876
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He's like, hey, we have a mutual friend, like Chris Christopher.

1877
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Chris Carter's like Chris Carter. Christopher Carter's his mutual friend.

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Speaker 2: He's like gone to pass And I'm like, I was like,

1879
01:28:56,000 --> 01:29:00,159
I was on this that his memorial episode, telling people, well,

1880
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:01,880
this dude, he's not dead, y'all.

1881
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Speaker 1: Chris Carter is not dead. Jesus. If you're a Christian,

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Christ defeated death. Death is defeated. There is no more death.

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You have to find. You have to dig and find

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where he's at.

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Speaker 2: It's the same way we interact with Christ It's the

1886
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same way we interact with anyone who ever came, not

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just somebody you knew, had a phone conversation with this guy,

1888
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:28,720
or you had a mentor in your life that's no

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01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:32,319
longer here, Like, it's everything that ever existed or ever

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01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:38,920
will exist. That's the beauty of that's God, that all

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01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,359
that's recorded, and it's here, and it's alive, and it's

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01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:48,359
the living word. It's living, there's no death. And I

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01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,960
don't know, maybe that's too mystical or too simple for

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01:29:52,199 --> 01:29:53,039
Christians to get.

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Speaker 1: I can give you a very simplistic way of thinking

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about the fact that you live on wat Way past

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remembrance of your name and you kind of alluded to

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it earlier with the Sincerean, the Sincerean section or the

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Sea section. We use words and say phrases that people

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long before us came up with and we don't even

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know who said it, and we still use it because

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01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:19,439
it was passed on right, And I mean you think

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01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,159
of things like where did the when you call somebody

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01:30:22,199 --> 01:30:24,279
smart Alec, where did that come from? It was a

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01:30:24,319 --> 01:30:27,880
gangster up in the Northeast. His name was Alex and

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01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:32,439
they called him smart Alex because true you can look

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01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,920
at no yeah, off the cop. But I'm just giving

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01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:37,640
you an example. Did you did you make it up

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01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,319
for you? No? For real, I researched it right because

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I was like, where did this come from? But it

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was a smart if. They called him smarter lot because

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he was always witty, and I always outwitted the cops,

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And so when somebody would say something clever quick back,

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you'd be like, oh, smarter, like a right, and see,

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and that's a person. That's a person's name. Now of

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01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,800
course that's a you know, something as simple as him

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being a witty gangster. We still use that today, right

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Unknowingly we don't know who he is, and we actually

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use his name. And there's other things that we do

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and say that we don't know the name. We mentioned

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01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:12,119
some of the things that the Bible quotes that I

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love it.

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Speaker 3: How about a little bird told me?

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, remind me where that one comes from.

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Speaker 3: It's in the Bible. It comes from. Is it in Proverbs?

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Speaker 1: No? Song of Song?

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Speaker 3: I don't remember where it is. My memory is not

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great with that. But it talks about if you say

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something in secret, even in the privacy of your bedchamber,

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that the birds will carry it. So don't don't talk

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bad about the kings, because the birds can carry that

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message even if you say it in the privacy of

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your bed chamber where no one's around. Little bird told me, homie,

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that's where that comes from.

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Speaker 1: The bird, bird, bird.

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Speaker 2: The bird is the word there you go. Once we

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01:31:54,199 --> 01:31:56,640
know that there's a little bit more, we're like, what

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01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,880
about the term I heard it through the grapevine? Like,

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01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:02,840
so we know the birds carry message. That's a very

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01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:04,319
deep spiritual concept for us.

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Speaker 1: Do the vines?

1942
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:10,119
Speaker 2: Do the plants have memory? If there's water in them,

1943
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:13,680
we know they got memory? Yeah, absolutely, So are the

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plants recording everything you say and echoing it back?

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Speaker 1: Blood? Your blood records your history too. Everything everything is recorded.

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Speaker 2: So it's like these phrases. Man, that was like, that's fun.

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So now we have you know, we have Google, we

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have chagbt or we have Oxford Dictionary, which is one

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01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,319
of the best places to go to to see what

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it means. Now, what it meant and what it meant

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01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,600
early on, right, well, I'm i'ma throw this at you.

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They used to do the word pharisee, the pharisees. They

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used that word was interchangeable with fairies, the fairies and

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01:32:51,119 --> 01:32:54,199
the pharise I've read that in Oxford Dictionary.

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Speaker 1: I blew my mind. I was like, what the heck?

1956
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Speaker 2: And I started finding context in books from sixteen hundre

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just what the that's They use the word pharisees as

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the word phari This is insane, Like who would ever

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think of that? Like today, I love words, you know

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they get fired up?

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Speaker 3: No, I love it too.

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Speaker 2: I think I might have told you this. This is

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when I tell everybody the word consider.

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Speaker 1: To consider.

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Speaker 2: Con is usually to think about or to come together,

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to come together and consider. It would be like sidereal

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01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:37,920
side sidereal, or or stars according to the stars, but

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it's to come together contemplate and to think about the

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01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:46,880
path or revolution of the stars. Consider is to think

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about the orbit of the stars. Astrology.

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Speaker 3: And you just said another one. That doesn't mean the

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01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:56,439
way we say it is contemplate contemplate, because contemplate would

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mean to come together. And the word temple used to

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01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:04,000
be used as a place that was set aside a structure,

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but with an open top, so that they could come

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01:34:06,079 --> 01:34:09,960
together and view auguries. And so they would come and

1977
01:34:10,039 --> 01:34:12,800
do the divination where they would watch the birds and

1978
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:16,600
divine the messages and prophecies from the birds. And that's

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the word temple. That's what used to be the word temple.

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So contemplate what that means?

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Speaker 1: Yeah with the words words are fun though, Yeah, this

1982
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is like a game of words.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: An English language where for some reason it doesn't default

1985
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:39,840
to good, it defaults to negative, like for some reason, right,

1986
01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:42,319
we got this thing, we don't we try, We try

1987
01:34:42,319 --> 01:34:46,600
our best not to say good morning, because when you

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01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,439
was at the at the funeral, you found out that

1989
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,079
there was to those people, there was no good morning.

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Speaker 1: You say good rising, don't you? Grand rising? Grand rising? Yeah,

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01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:59,800
grand rising people, because I remember you used to instead

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01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,640
of saying understand, you'd say I don't understand, you understand.

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Remember that overstanding you start becoming more intentional with your words.

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And there's something that I keep going back to where

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01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,079
you know, Jesus mentioned that you'll give an account for

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01:35:13,119 --> 01:35:16,720
every careless word you speak, and it so he was

1997
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,359
drawing attention to the power of words. I know you've

1998
01:35:19,399 --> 01:35:21,880
done in the study with the rice and different things

1999
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:28,199
like that. Yeah, and there is that that lends a

2000
01:35:28,279 --> 01:35:30,880
lot of credence to what you say. And that's one

2001
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,199
of the things like just because the thought pops in

2002
01:35:33,239 --> 01:35:36,600
your mind doesn't mean you should speak. It doesn't mean

2003
01:35:37,039 --> 01:35:39,680
because when you speak, you're the the numa of the

2004
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,760
ruach in your lungs. The air creates vibrations through your

2005
01:35:44,079 --> 01:35:49,840
vocal chamber and you literally as a as a carbon

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01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:51,439
or I guess you could take such sort of a

2007
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:56,399
copy of God the Creator putting vibrations out there creating things.

2008
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I like in it.

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Speaker 2: So Romans ten nine or not, Yeah, ten nine where

2010
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,880
it talks about unto salvation that if we confess with

2011
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:10,800
our mouths and believe in our heart that unto salvation

2012
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,479
that christis Lord, then we'll be saved. Just just that

2013
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:18,680
that formula there to believe in your heart, to really

2014
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,159
believe it, and then to couple it with saying it.

2015
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: It's one thing to believe something and never say it.

2016
01:36:24,079 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe my wife is beautiful. It's different when

2017
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:32,800
you tell her and I mean it, you look at you.

2018
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Speaker 1: So beautiful.

2019
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 2: So when you have the feeling that you strongly believe,

2020
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,600
but then you won't say it, or you say something

2021
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:42,880
and then you don't believe it. But when you have,

2022
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,039
the tutor comes together.

2023
01:36:44,119 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: That's why we have this ability to create like a

2024
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:50,640
chemical reaction, Lord Jesus, that's end the podcast.

2025
01:36:53,079 --> 01:36:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so again like they're just the human The English

2026
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,640
language is and I say, America, this experiment.

2027
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:02,520
Speaker 1: The American the.

2028
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,279
Speaker 2: English language is an experiment. You know, most of these

2029
01:37:06,319 --> 01:37:08,760
words have the opposite effect.

2030
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:09,279
Speaker 3: And uh.

2031
01:37:09,399 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 1: And and we don't know what we're saying. You know,

2032
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,439
you you you know not what you say. All the

2033
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:17,520
things that are meant for good, we're told are evil.

2034
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,680
Like I think one of my king David, No, no, no,

2035
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,600
like the word abricadabra. Right, you're oh, that's witchcraft, that's evil.

2036
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:29,000
It is it could be, but it's hey witchcraft. Yeah,

2037
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:33,079
that's always an our witchcraft, witchcraft that we're talking about.

2038
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,039
We're talking about Hebrew. I create what I speak, right,

2039
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:40,600
So I mean there are certain things that taken you know,

2040
01:37:41,079 --> 01:37:43,439
on face value, can be meant for good. It depends

2041
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:44,520
on No.

2042
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,520
Speaker 2: That's are using it for that's a law. It's no

2043
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:51,560
good or evil, right and Africa, if you say it.

2044
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,520
Speaker 1: Good and evil is an act of that will not

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01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:56,560
necessarily a value attached to an object itself.

2046
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,680
Speaker 2: You know, it says uh the promise of God or

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01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:01,479
yes and amen.

2048
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

2049
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 2: And and I look at it like the universe that

2050
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:11,159
holds order is just saying yes and amen to everything

2051
01:38:11,239 --> 01:38:15,479
that you put out with with the abracadabraa with that

2052
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:19,319
as as I speak, it I created, as I breathe it,

2053
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:24,239
I created, and the universe is saying yes and amen, man,

2054
01:38:24,279 --> 01:38:27,439
I'm I'm the righteousness of God created it in Christ

2055
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:28,840
Jesus to do good works.

2056
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:33,800
Speaker 1: Yes and amen, Man, I can't. I don't have no friends.

2057
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 3: Man.

2058
01:38:34,119 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 1: All my friends always abandoned me. Yes and amen. You

2059
01:38:41,039 --> 01:38:43,760
created it and you keep protracting it. I don't know

2060
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,079
why I can't. How about change the way you look

2061
01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:50,600
at about taking every thought captive into obedience, into obedience

2062
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,640
to Christ. Right, taking that thought it starts coming out,

2063
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,399
And this is one of the things that I've challenged

2064
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:59,520
myself to do. It's like, if a negative thought starts

2065
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:01,880
coming out, I stop it as soon as I hear

2066
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:06,119
it and change it or just cut it off, whichever way,

2067
01:39:06,319 --> 01:39:08,800
if you don't finish the sentence and the thought is incomplete. Right,

2068
01:39:09,279 --> 01:39:14,920
But you know, man, I never no, I always right

2069
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,840
reverse it. You have the opportunity to do that on

2070
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,640
the onset. And then, of course, if you get better

2071
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:22,760
at catching yourself, yeah, you get better at catching and

2072
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,159
then it then eventually the words stopped coming out of

2073
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:27,119
your mouth, and yeah, you're catching your thoughts.

2074
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 2: You know, You're like and then you don't even have

2075
01:39:30,079 --> 01:39:33,520
to anymore because it didn't It can't.

2076
01:39:33,399 --> 01:39:35,399
Speaker 1: Live in your reprogramming your mind.

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01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:38,079
Speaker 3: What's strange is what a battle it still is like

2078
01:39:38,319 --> 01:39:41,560
with a good morning and grand Rising. It's such a

2079
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:45,560
battle because if you're in public and a cashier says

2080
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,880
good morning to you, you're like, oh, if I say

2081
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:49,760
grand Rising, she's going to think I'm weird or she's

2082
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:51,359
going to not know what I'm talking about. But if

2083
01:39:51,399 --> 01:39:53,920
I say good morning, I'm saying this. And it's like

2084
01:39:54,079 --> 01:39:57,079
it's always a weird battle still with me, even though

2085
01:39:57,119 --> 01:40:00,800
it's been what a year that we've kind of put

2086
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,479
that into practice pretty good. And then like family, you know,

2087
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,880
family doesn't always understand your quirks and the things that

2088
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,800
you do, and so it's like they say good morning,

2089
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:11,680
It's like how you doing?

2090
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:14,199
Speaker 2: It hit us hard because we went we went to

2091
01:40:14,279 --> 01:40:16,880
a funeral and the dude opened up the door. And

2092
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:18,960
this is when we're trying to like like we know

2093
01:40:19,319 --> 01:40:21,800
it's the thing we don't do anymore. And the dude,

2094
01:40:22,039 --> 01:40:24,359
the old man opened the door to the funeral home.

2095
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,920
Good morning a thing, But I ain't nobody here having

2096
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:31,000
no good nothing. Everybody's morning in here. This morning is

2097
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,800
what you do at a funeral, and there's not nothing

2098
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,920
good about it, not to any of these people, you know, right,

2099
01:40:37,039 --> 01:40:37,520
we want.

2100
01:40:37,399 --> 01:40:41,520
Speaker 1: To change that. But maybe there's some truth to it. Maybe, yeah,

2101
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,680
maybe that maybe sometimes morning is good. Right, It's a

2102
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,039
part of the process. So it just depends on it,

2103
01:40:47,079 --> 01:40:48,640
I guess the way you think of it, right, But

2104
01:40:49,319 --> 01:40:53,079
but I mean, you know, there's always if somebody says something.

2105
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 5: Like that, oh, Reggie rebuke you, Oh, come on, that's

2106
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:56,279
all right.

2107
01:40:56,319 --> 01:41:00,319
Speaker 1: I don't receive that. You don't receive that review. I

2108
01:41:00,399 --> 01:41:03,640
was a loving rebuke, Okay, I really love how about that?

2109
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:08,720
We used to do that time, brother. But yeah, No,

2110
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:12,399
like somebody says something and you're kind of in your mind,

2111
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:13,720
like I don't know if I want to repeat that,

2112
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:16,039
but you can always. I usually just kind of come

2113
01:41:16,079 --> 01:41:18,399
back with like thank you or same to you, all right?

2114
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 2: Or what about what about when people used to pray

2115
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,680
for you at the altar and they're laying the hands

2116
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:24,760
on your yeah, and they're.

2117
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,359
Speaker 1: Just praying, praying, praying, and then the stuff that you

2118
01:41:26,399 --> 01:41:27,079
want to agree with, You.

2119
01:41:27,079 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 2: Said, yes, Lord, thank you, Lord, Father asked you to

2120
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:31,600
bless them. God that you would God, I pray you

2121
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,600
open up a home for him in Florida. I'm like

2122
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,600
I don't want that damn home in Florida. Uh, and

2123
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:38,640
I pray to you bless his family. Yes, Lord, thank

2124
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,359
you Lord, and just keep going. I'm just like agreeing

2125
01:41:41,399 --> 01:41:43,760
with and yes and all the stuff that I want.

2126
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,920
And they're like, Lord, that you would that you were

2127
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:47,720
teaching patience. I don't want to learn patience.

2128
01:41:48,119 --> 01:41:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah that's hard, you know. Yeah, you gotta be careful.

2129
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:52,960
You gotta be careful what you agree with it. I'm

2130
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,359
not gonna agree with that, sir. Right. Yeah.

2131
01:41:55,359 --> 01:41:58,079
Speaker 3: Another one like I find myself sometimes if my like

2132
01:41:58,239 --> 01:41:59,920
my shoulders hurting, I'll say, oh, it's killing.

2133
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2134
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 3: But sometimes when I say that out I was just

2135
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:05,880
like oh, and I even like we'll say out loud,

2136
01:42:06,359 --> 01:42:09,319
I shouldn't have said that. Didn't mean that, like hagrid

2137
01:42:09,399 --> 01:42:12,720
On Harry Potter, shouldn't have said that. Just reverse it.

2138
01:42:14,079 --> 01:42:16,239
Speaker 1: My thing is is a lot of my battles are

2139
01:42:16,399 --> 01:42:19,880
like ailments. Right, I'll say this bum knee of mine,

2140
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,079
and I'll be like, no, this healed me of mine? Yeah,

2141
01:42:23,359 --> 01:42:25,640
you know, and I have to, but I've already released it,

2142
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,399
so you have to. Yeah, you have to train yourself, right.

2143
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:32,800
Oh yeah, And so I know exactly what you good? Old?

2144
01:42:33,279 --> 01:42:34,079
That's good old of.

2145
01:42:34,119 --> 01:42:36,640
Speaker 3: Mine, love, good, healthy, strong, hold old me.

2146
01:42:37,039 --> 01:42:41,600
Speaker 1: I say thank you Lord for strength and healing. Yeah yeah,

2147
01:42:42,359 --> 01:42:43,159
so so what what?

2148
01:42:43,279 --> 01:42:45,279
Speaker 2: What didn't we talk about that that you want to

2149
01:42:45,319 --> 01:42:47,720
talk about before we go? We're not We're not rushed,

2150
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,840
but I know you you have stuff to do. You

2151
01:42:50,039 --> 01:42:52,800
traveled what five hours six out? It was about five

2152
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:54,159
or so five or six hours.

2153
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: To get here.

2154
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,520
Speaker 2: You came straight in and sat down in the You

2155
01:42:57,760 --> 01:42:59,479
are ready to roll? Man? Yeah, I want it because

2156
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,920
it usually so long to get ready when guests come

2157
01:43:02,319 --> 01:43:05,319
and they're like an hour waiting for me to set up.

2158
01:43:05,359 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 3: I was like, let me just put some music on

2159
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:08,800
and get the vibe right.

2160
01:43:09,199 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: You just playing some of that project and I was

2161
01:43:11,079 --> 01:43:14,520
listening to the Thirty Days Parallel. I was listening thirty three.

2162
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:19,079
Ah man, I want a face like that. I was

2163
01:43:19,159 --> 01:43:21,560
listening to Dude, I was listening to Primer fifty five

2164
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,560
on the way down here. That took me way back.

2165
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,119
It was two thousands. But you know about this one.

2166
01:43:25,239 --> 01:43:26,239
I don't. I don't.

2167
01:43:26,279 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 3: I yeah, yeah, bucket, I want to see them.

2168
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,520
Speaker 2: So bad Supertones, supert that's so back, Supertones.

2169
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: So I did themes karaoke the other night, and it

2170
01:43:38,039 --> 01:43:40,560
was four to twenty themed, right, but I'll put some

2171
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:44,680
super Tones on fourth because it was like regular yeah,

2172
01:43:45,039 --> 01:43:47,039
and then some hip hop, you know like Snoop Do

2173
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:48,640
No Life.

2174
01:43:50,079 --> 01:43:51,279
Speaker 3: We gotta play some supertones.

2175
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:54,359
Speaker 4: Way I played strip Back man, dude, they had a

2176
01:43:54,399 --> 01:43:56,560
lot of good so they had a lot of good songs.

2177
01:43:57,279 --> 01:44:00,720
Speaker 2: Strip Back, Sons of Nine, not a Fraid to be

2178
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:03,840
a Mata mm hmm. That's somebody I wanted to work with.

2179
01:44:04,359 --> 01:44:07,159
Oh yeah, Matt is his first name for his last name,

2180
01:44:07,159 --> 01:44:08,560
but that would be I wanted to work with all

2181
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:11,239
those dudes. Got the interview a good bit of those

2182
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:16,399
throwback Thirtydeth Parallel, Andrew Swab, you got swa Yeah, these

2183
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:19,760
five down. Yeah, I interviewed like it was so cool

2184
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:20,079
to be able.

2185
01:44:20,119 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 1: Have you heard have you heard the new stuff the

2186
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:23,239
Omni record? It's getting better?

2187
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, his new stuff's getting better. I

2188
01:44:26,039 --> 01:44:29,439
mean not getting better, like just it sounds more of

2189
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:31,600
the It sounds more old, you know what I'm saying,

2190
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:33,159
because we like the old project.

2191
01:44:33,319 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 1: So the newer stuff was heavy, self titled drawing black lines.

2192
01:44:37,079 --> 01:44:40,000
Yeah things, I tell you, that's what. That's what. Yeah,

2193
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:43,439
of course, you know they did that. Was it pipe

2194
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:45,760
Dream he did with Sunday Singable. No, it's six Sirens,

2195
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:50,279
six Sirens, that's right. And I think pipe pipe Dream

2196
01:44:50,399 --> 01:44:53,000
was on the Solid that was that single. Yeah, it

2197
01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:55,359
was on this is Solid State point like it was

2198
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:57,199
just wide. It had to be some kind of lens

2199
01:44:57,319 --> 01:45:00,640
right like on his right. His mouth was so wide.

2200
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:03,319
Speaker 2: Screens good stuff, man, Yeah, playing on the Christian channels

2201
01:45:03,359 --> 01:45:06,239
and we're like, this is Christian, this is scary.

2202
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 1: Didn't you say? And I remember you telling me that

2203
01:45:09,079 --> 01:45:13,199
you like you do a lot of your original inspiration.

2204
01:45:13,399 --> 01:45:17,359
You saw Packs two seventeen you saw? Yeah? We saw yeah,

2205
01:45:17,399 --> 01:45:18,560
Oh yeah, we saw them a lot.

2206
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love had them on earlier.

2207
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 1: I never saw I never saw those guys alive, but

2208
01:45:23,079 --> 01:45:24,000
I love them. Dude.

2209
01:45:24,359 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 2: Y'all keep talking. I'm going to go grab something. Keep

2210
01:45:27,079 --> 01:45:28,119
talking about music.

2211
01:45:29,239 --> 01:45:32,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw Packs two seventeen a couple of times

2212
01:45:32,279 --> 01:45:36,800
at I think I think both was it both times

2213
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:37,600
at Gracefest?

2214
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:39,039
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2215
01:45:39,359 --> 01:45:40,920
Speaker 3: So did you ever go to Grace Fest?

2216
01:45:41,079 --> 01:45:41,560
Speaker 1: I didn't.

2217
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:43,760
Speaker 3: It was kind of like a Christian bay Fest and

2218
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:46,479
it was in Pensacola. But they had all these bands

2219
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,760
come in, all these different stages and at the time,

2220
01:45:50,039 --> 01:45:54,000
like we were newly married and very low income, so

2221
01:45:54,079 --> 01:45:56,880
we would volunteer to work for a few hours and

2222
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:57,800
they would let you, you.

2223
01:45:57,800 --> 01:45:59,640
Speaker 1: Know, how you get in. Yeah, that's a hack.

2224
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:00,119
Speaker 2: I like that.

2225
01:46:00,399 --> 01:46:03,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now I remember going to what was it called

2226
01:46:03,159 --> 01:46:05,720
the Festival Condos.

2227
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:06,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we went to that once.

2228
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:10,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Toby Mack, Yeah, Toby Mack was there.

2229
01:46:10,359 --> 01:46:13,479
Piller was there. Man, I was like a man, a man.

2230
01:46:14,119 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 2: So you you I may have showed you this before,

2231
01:46:17,079 --> 01:46:19,119
but I'm gonna show the camera real quick.

2232
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:22,239
Speaker 1: Have I showed this to you? I don't think so.

2233
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 2: So Andrew Schwab, which is the lead YEP of Project

2234
01:46:27,079 --> 01:46:31,239
eighty six, for for donations, he would any lyric that

2235
01:46:31,359 --> 01:46:33,920
you want, like he's big into calligraphy, and he would

2236
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:35,680
he would write out all the lyrics if it was

2237
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:38,359
the whole song, that's right, Like he just he'd sit

2238
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:40,319
there for if you sent him one hundred bucks or

2239
01:46:40,319 --> 01:46:42,800
something or twenty five. It was pretty cheap stuff that

2240
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,359
he was doing to fund one of his projects. And

2241
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:49,520
I was like, this was always like it's from the

2242
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:54,119
first album and this is the hour or Truth Divide, right,

2243
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:56,920
this is the hour and he signed at the bottom.

2244
01:46:57,119 --> 01:46:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw the at the bottom, dude, So you

2245
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:01,479
sent any how long have you had?

2246
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,079
Speaker 3: Have you had it a long time?

2247
01:47:07,079 --> 01:47:10,319
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean twenty everything goes to twenty seventeen.

2248
01:47:12,039 --> 01:47:13,680
Speaker 3: That's the number that comes to my head too.

2249
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:14,399
Speaker 1: I feel like.

2250
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:16,520
Speaker 2: If we looked up when I interviewed them, which is

2251
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:20,920
probably twenty seventeen around that time, eight or nine years. Yeah,

2252
01:47:21,079 --> 01:47:23,399
it's one of my favorite laires and it was I

2253
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:25,199
forgot what I may I don't even know what I

2254
01:47:25,239 --> 01:47:25,560
paid for.

2255
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:27,760
Speaker 1: It was less than one hundred bucks for sure. That's

2256
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,319
pretty cool, man, that's what. Yeah.

2257
01:47:31,119 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 2: I thought that was a cool piece of art, and

2258
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:37,520
then I bought I ended up buying. So I interviewed

2259
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:42,079
the guys from these five Down and on eBay there

2260
01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:45,720
was a like from some of the old like HM magazines,

2261
01:47:46,279 --> 01:47:51,000
there was a fold out of these five Down and

2262
01:47:52,079 --> 01:47:54,479
I think Pack Tree seventeen on the other side, and

2263
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,880
I bought it for like five bucks. So when I

2264
01:47:57,039 --> 01:47:59,000
ended up interviewing those guys and I was like, hey,

2265
01:47:59,039 --> 01:48:01,119
then shuit what I got? Pulled it out and they're like,

2266
01:48:01,159 --> 01:48:03,640
whatt' see? Like maxazine?

2267
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:06,560
Speaker 1: I remember that that, uh was it two or three

2268
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:08,479
of the guys from these wipe Down. Yeah, two of

2269
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:08,880
the guys.

2270
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:10,319
Speaker 2: I was trying to encourage them as much as I

2271
01:48:10,399 --> 01:48:13,439
can to keep going and put out music. It's kind of,

2272
01:48:14,359 --> 01:48:16,600
you know, it's kind of weird, like when you get

2273
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:19,159
the interview some of those people and not fanboy out

2274
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:22,960
because you're always like reliving there the album you love

2275
01:48:23,159 --> 01:48:26,520
even so, I know Schwab was probably he probably didn't

2276
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:29,800
like talking to me because I'm just like talking about

2277
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:32,319
the first two and he's like, man, I'm working on

2278
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:34,680
a new project, got a new tour, and I'm like,

2279
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:38,399
hey man, but those those first two albums, dude, yeah,

2280
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:40,800
you need to do more like that, right, you know,

2281
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:44,439
you need to wrap some because I think I sent

2282
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:47,399
him I want to say it was Schwab.

2283
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:50,560
Speaker 1: I think it was Schwab and it was before this.

2284
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:52,720
Speaker 2: I was trying to get him, get him on a feature,

2285
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:57,800
and so I sent them some beats and stuff and

2286
01:48:58,399 --> 01:49:00,399
he said, Okay, just send me some of your stuff

2287
01:49:00,399 --> 01:49:02,720
and I'll check it out and and i'll see about

2288
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:04,119
if I can do something. And I sent them like

2289
01:49:04,199 --> 01:49:06,399
the rap stuff, you know, it was rap rap beats,

2290
01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:09,920
and he's like, yeah, I'm not really feeling it. I

2291
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:12,000
was like, hey, man, just you know, just a course

2292
01:49:12,119 --> 01:49:13,960
or something would be great that you're like a huge

2293
01:49:14,039 --> 01:49:17,319
inspiration to me. Man, I really am inspired by what

2294
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:18,880
you do, and I think I get a lot of

2295
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:21,680
my style from from from you.

2296
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:23,520
Speaker 1: It rubbed off on me. He's like, I don't see how.

2297
01:49:24,279 --> 01:49:26,199
I don't see how. I think he was talking more

2298
01:49:26,199 --> 01:49:26,560
about the.

2299
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 2: Subject matter, like you know, the subject matter like the

2300
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:34,479
rapping of like aliens and far out supernatural kind of stuff.

2301
01:49:35,079 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: You know, He's probably like, dude, that's.

2302
01:49:38,359 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 4: I did inspire none of that rebut this in Jesus

2303
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:46,840
name probably probably anyway, fanboy out on Christian music has

2304
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:47,479
some good music.

2305
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:51,239
Speaker 1: It still does. Yeah, there's a new you get into

2306
01:49:51,319 --> 01:49:54,359
hip hop and stuff. I came across Indie Tribe recently.

2307
01:49:55,039 --> 01:49:58,279
You heard any of their stuff? You told me about them? Okay, yeah,

2308
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:00,680
Indie Tribe, Dude. I just ca across them on like

2309
01:50:00,720 --> 01:50:03,840
TikTok or something like that. And and there is say

2310
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:07,319
something like like the new generation of Christian rap is

2311
01:50:07,359 --> 01:50:08,920
hot or something like that, and I started listening. I

2312
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:13,920
was like, Okay, so I don't know, like, because you know,

2313
01:50:14,039 --> 01:50:15,760
whenever you hear the word Christian in front of something,

2314
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:18,680
you automatically think, okay, b side, you know it goes

2315
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:21,880
into a category. Yeah, sometimes it surprised the heck out

2316
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:24,000
of you. Like, Okay, these guys got.

2317
01:50:24,279 --> 01:50:26,800
Speaker 2: That's what I did with these five down and thirtieth Parallel,

2318
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:30,279
because that's what we did ask Christians. We're like, oh,

2319
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:32,800
I don't have to listen to Disturbed anymore. I've got

2320
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:35,319
these five down right, so, and I think I had

2321
01:50:35,359 --> 01:50:38,039
them on podcast, like I know, I asked them about

2322
01:50:38,079 --> 01:50:41,239
those charts and stuff because we love those charts. Like

2323
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:44,760
you don't have to listen to Lil Wayne. There's t Bone.

2324
01:50:45,239 --> 01:50:48,960
Sometimes those charts were accurate, other times they won't. You

2325
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:52,399
don't have to listen to remember t Bone three six Mafia.

2326
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:54,159
You don't have to listen to three six Mafia. You

2327
01:50:54,199 --> 01:50:57,399
can listen to these guys. And when they were accurate,

2328
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:00,079
they were cool and you would find new. You have

2329
01:51:00,119 --> 01:51:01,840
to listen to Lincoln Park. You can listen to the

2330
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:03,640
thirtieth Parallel right right right.

2331
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,720
Speaker 1: And I think I think Falling Up was another band

2332
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:09,119
that was kind of inspired by Lincoln Park, at least

2333
01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:09,840
on their first record.

2334
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, until they learned how to make radio

2335
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,239
hits and then it's like, hey, what do they do

2336
01:51:14,279 --> 01:51:17,560
the same thing with Cutlass Yeah, yeah, Cutler's find out

2337
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:20,600
how like there's more money in and writing worship songs, Yeah,

2338
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:24,159
worship singles then putting out some hard Christians Yeah.

2339
01:51:25,239 --> 01:51:28,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, no brainer. Yeah. And they haven't looked back yet.

2340
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:28,600
Speaker 2: No.

2341
01:51:30,079 --> 01:51:33,680
Speaker 3: The first album was it was good Skillet too. They've

2342
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:36,600
changed a lot over the years. Like one of my

2343
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,840
favorite worship albums is their Ardent Worship that he did

2344
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:45,520
with his wife Corey, and it's like nowhere on the scales,

2345
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:47,880
like totally different than what they would do now on

2346
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:48,359
the radio.

2347
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, that Ardent Worship record is a good one.

2348
01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:54,119
That one song that he that stands out to me

2349
01:51:54,319 --> 01:51:56,000
is like Jesus be Glorified. I think it's the name

2350
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:57,560
of Yeah, that was pretty cool.

2351
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 2: I saw Angels Fall Down, Oh yeah that one, and

2352
01:52:02,119 --> 01:52:03,079
hey you I Love your.

2353
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,079
Speaker 1: Soul was that's a good record. Yeah, there's a lot

2354
01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:07,880
of I remember meeting I remember meeting Skillett when they

2355
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:12,000
first got together. That you remember the winter jams they

2356
01:52:12,079 --> 01:52:15,000
used to have so they still do, yeah, okay they

2357
01:52:15,039 --> 01:52:17,880
still don't. So they had something called Winter Extreme, which

2358
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:20,359
was like a conference that they did up in Gatlinburg

2359
01:52:20,479 --> 01:52:23,199
is like three days and for a short time they

2360
01:52:23,239 --> 01:52:25,159
had Summer Extreme. The first one that they did was

2361
01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:27,279
like A ninety seven I think it was. I was

2362
01:52:27,319 --> 01:52:29,079
down in Panama City Beach and I went to that one,

2363
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:31,239
and that's where I got to meet John Cooper. He

2364
01:52:31,319 --> 01:52:34,399
looked like he was what's his name from Kirk Cobain

2365
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:36,479
or something. Yeah, he looked like Kurt Cobain. That's that

2366
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:39,560
first album, that's right, and uh, and I've never heard

2367
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:41,079
anything like it. I remember meeting him. He had on

2368
01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:43,239
bell bottoms and a referee Jersey had the long hair

2369
01:52:43,319 --> 01:52:46,479
and the little goatee patch or whatever and uh. And

2370
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:48,520
we went back there and was chatting with them, and

2371
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:50,680
he was like, dude, why why did they call you guys?

2372
01:52:51,039 --> 01:52:53,680
You call yourself Skillett And they were They said something

2373
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:56,239
to the fact of, well, you know, everybody that we

2374
01:52:56,319 --> 01:52:59,960
talked to you said our music sounded like you took

2375
01:53:00,119 --> 01:53:02,319
different versions of rocks and rock and threw it in

2376
01:53:02,399 --> 01:53:04,760
a frying pan. But frying pan didn't have a nice

2377
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:08,279
ring to it. So skillet people would bring skillets to

2378
01:53:08,319 --> 01:53:10,479
the concert and yeah, and he called his fans pan

2379
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:13,600
heads and stuff. And another side note there was that

2380
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:18,279
was the day that was the same weekend that Audio Adrenaline.

2381
01:53:18,279 --> 01:53:20,319
I saw them for the first time and Will McGinnis

2382
01:53:20,359 --> 01:53:23,359
you remember the bassis h huh. He actually walked up

2383
01:53:23,359 --> 01:53:24,840
in the crowd and was like standing right next to

2384
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,640
me and and I looked over at my brother and

2385
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:29,640
I was like, dude, that's well McGinnis, that's the basis

2386
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:31,920
for Audio General. He's like nah. I was like, yeah, dude,

2387
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:34,319
that sound. And then when they introduced the band, he

2388
01:53:34,439 --> 01:53:37,199
literally just jumped up off the stage, took his beanie off,

2389
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:39,439
threw down his backpack and picked up his base and

2390
01:53:40,199 --> 01:53:43,239
it was awesome. It was a good day. A long

2391
01:53:43,319 --> 01:53:47,000
time ago though, but yeah, man, simple we like to

2392
01:53:47,039 --> 01:53:48,039
relive those times going on.

2393
01:53:48,199 --> 01:53:50,439
Speaker 2: I mean that the Deaftones concept we go to We

2394
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:53,399
go to concerts, man, that's what we put on concerts.

2395
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:56,159
I mean, and if there's any I mean, we have

2396
01:53:56,279 --> 01:54:00,119
our We wanted to get nine Nail tickets because we

2397
01:54:00,199 --> 01:54:02,000
haven't seen him in as a bucket list, but those

2398
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:05,399
it was we have to get too. And I didn't

2399
01:54:05,399 --> 01:54:06,720
get a hotel and so I mean it was just

2400
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:09,560
too expensive, man. So we didn't get to go see

2401
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:10,279
Ninis Nails.

2402
01:54:10,319 --> 01:54:12,039
Speaker 1: But did you know that the nine and Nails is

2403
01:54:12,079 --> 01:54:15,319
doing the soundtrack for the Neutron movie? Oh? Really? Mm hmmm.

2404
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:19,640
Speaker 2: He's a couple of them, man, So yeah, the soundtracks.

2405
01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:22,399
Speaker 1: Both the members of Nine Inch Snails have collectively done

2406
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:27,279
individually twenty seven different motion picture scores, but under the

2407
01:54:27,319 --> 01:54:29,359
name Nina Snails. This will be their first one. So

2408
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:34,479
I know that tron Tron legacy. It was that punk,

2409
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,039
which that punk is no war. So so now it's

2410
01:54:37,079 --> 01:54:39,439
going to be tron Ares and it's coming out later

2411
01:54:39,479 --> 01:54:40,920
this year, and it's going to be Ninage Nails. I'm

2412
01:54:41,159 --> 01:54:42,960
kind of excited, but I don't know what they're gonna do.

2413
01:54:43,159 --> 01:54:43,600
That's good.

2414
01:54:44,039 --> 01:54:46,840
Speaker 2: Uh did you know they You heard that they wrote

2415
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,359
the music for, or at least a sample for Old

2416
01:54:49,399 --> 01:54:49,920
Tom Road.

2417
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:53,920
Speaker 1: You didn't know that I'm going to take My Horse.

2418
01:54:54,159 --> 01:54:55,640
I know the song, but I didn't know that was

2419
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:58,359
a Oh yeah, I got to play it for you.

2420
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 2: I got to figure out the name of the song.

2421
01:55:01,239 --> 01:55:06,720
Let me see, Hey google what song did Old Town

2422
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:14,760
Road sample from? Nine Inch Nails? He got paid from it, too, bro,

2423
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:17,439
They sampled it. He heard it later and it was

2424
01:55:17,479 --> 01:55:20,920
like the biggest song, like for a year, you know

2425
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:24,399
what I'm saying, and so he uh, but it was

2426
01:55:24,479 --> 01:55:27,439
it was only one of his instrumental albums because you know,

2427
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:29,720
you're working on so much music, they're just putting out

2428
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:30,359
just random.

2429
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 3: You're gonna play it? Am I gonna copyright strike?

2430
01:55:34,039 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's worth it. Mute it out. He's

2431
01:55:38,039 --> 01:55:41,439
gonna even like I got you on you, I don't

2432
01:55:41,479 --> 01:55:43,279
think so you want that money?

2433
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:47,079
Speaker 3: Of course, we have rent to pay medical bills and

2434
01:55:47,119 --> 01:55:47,680
all this stuff.

2435
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:50,319
Speaker 1: You ask it through saying you had bills, So that's right.

2436
01:55:50,359 --> 01:55:55,960
You just send it to me or whatever. That's not

2437
01:55:56,039 --> 01:55:58,960
gonna pick up. I'm talking over it. We're talking. I'm

2438
01:55:59,039 --> 01:56:07,479
going to tag go ahead too much? Did you hear it? Yeah?

2439
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:11,600
It's crazy, that's right. What song is that? Thirty four ghosts?

2440
01:56:12,199 --> 01:56:13,960
It wasn't enough. I'm talking to Aaron.

2441
01:56:14,199 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 3: You would know more than me. I'm just warning you

2442
01:56:16,119 --> 01:56:17,880
because I just learned to get in trouble.

2443
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:21,159
Speaker 1: Which I love learning stuff like that. There are lots

2444
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:23,159
and lots and lots of samples I love.

2445
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, seeing where they come from. But that was one

2446
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:28,840
that was like out of left field, like oh my god, Okay,

2447
01:56:29,079 --> 01:56:31,760
who was like who found that? Though, Like the producer

2448
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:32,760
had to be somebody.

2449
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:36,079
Speaker 3: Well, now they have so much automated stuff, they could

2450
01:56:36,079 --> 01:56:37,159
probably like pick it up.

2451
01:56:38,199 --> 01:56:42,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the producer had to know, like this, most

2452
01:56:42,199 --> 01:56:45,760
of the hits here nowadays, it's going to be recycled

2453
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:46,319
from somewhere.

2454
01:56:47,239 --> 01:56:50,800
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of original hits. There's just one artist.

2455
01:56:54,199 --> 01:56:55,840
Whenever I got my car to drive down here and

2456
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:58,039
I said hey, I was like, hey, sy replay some music.

2457
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:00,560
I guess who was the first one popped up in

2458
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:08,039
my queue? Marylyn Manson? No, truthy truth. Some of that

2459
01:57:08,119 --> 01:57:10,319
White Magic popped up in there, Magic for the Magic.

2460
01:57:11,079 --> 01:57:14,199
I don't remember which song it was, but it was

2461
01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:16,359
one from White Magic under that Much. And then right

2462
01:57:16,399 --> 01:57:19,520
after that it played Flowed in. I was like, wow,

2463
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:20,840
that's interesting. Follow up.

2464
01:57:21,399 --> 01:57:25,439
Speaker 2: I think we're I think we're gonna get vinyls pressed up.

2465
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:28,199
I think I told you we had like one and

2466
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:31,039
they're expensive, but I think I think we're going to

2467
01:57:31,079 --> 01:57:34,960
get vinyls pressed up. So you got a customer right here, bro, Yeah.

2468
01:57:34,840 --> 01:57:36,800
Speaker 1: I know you. Yeah. It was the first CD I

2469
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:38,640
sold in ten years, was the Reggie.

2470
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:40,439
Speaker 2: People want to buy them. I just don't have them

2471
01:57:40,479 --> 01:57:42,680
on the website, and I found an old box of

2472
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:45,840
Reggie's like, when you come to Atlanta, bring some CDs.

2473
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,359
Speaker 1: I was like, I got you said, I got of them.

2474
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,079
I said, I'll take off of them. Tell the story of.

2475
01:57:53,359 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 2: We Bos because I would have had more CDs I

2476
01:57:57,079 --> 01:57:58,600
had I had two boxes.

2477
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,479
Speaker 3: So there's this kid. We think he's a kid. He

2478
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:03,920
never goes to school and he rides a three wheel

2479
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:08,359
bicycle around the neighborhood. He looks young, but it's like,

2480
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:10,439
you know, sometimes you can't tell.

2481
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:12,199
Speaker 1: It could be fifteen or fifty.

2482
01:58:12,359 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, true truth. Like lovingly named him we Bo.

2483
01:58:19,479 --> 01:58:21,479
We don't know his real name because.

2484
01:58:21,159 --> 01:58:23,079
Speaker 1: We didn't know his real name. And he rode he

2485
01:58:23,199 --> 01:58:24,600
rides the bike and you can hear him.

2486
01:58:25,399 --> 01:58:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2487
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:29,159
Speaker 2: So it's from the Friday movie Debo. Yeah, Hey, he come,

2488
01:58:29,239 --> 01:58:30,279
Debo Man, how'd you change?

2489
01:58:30,279 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 1: How'd you change? Man? Debo's coming.

2490
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,199
Speaker 2: So he's riding this little bike. We're like, oh, that's

2491
01:58:34,239 --> 01:58:38,039
not Debo as Wibo because version.

2492
01:58:38,279 --> 01:58:42,000
Speaker 3: But uh, he's always coming around asking for money and

2493
01:58:42,199 --> 01:58:45,680
stuff like that. And he gave him a box of CDs.

2494
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,399
One day. He's like, look, sell the CDs.

2495
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:51,640
Speaker 1: For ten stories on why he needs money.

2496
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:54,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, take these twenty CDs, sell them for

2497
01:58:54,359 --> 01:58:57,399
ten dollars apiece, and just bring me half. You keep half,

2498
01:58:57,560 --> 01:58:59,520
You keep five from each CD, bring me five.

2499
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:02,439
Speaker 1: Because he goes all the churches and stuff and youth groups.

2500
01:59:04,399 --> 01:59:07,880
Speaker 3: But he took the box and then we didn't see

2501
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:09,760
him for a really long time. And then finally we

2502
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:14,199
did see him, and he said that. He said, all

2503
01:59:14,319 --> 01:59:16,840
the cops got me. The cops wouldn't let me sell them.

2504
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:19,720
They said it was illegal, and cops.

2505
01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:23,159
Speaker 1: Woke all the CDs. Man, yeah, and woke all of them.

2506
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:25,479
They say, won't take me to jail on these CDs.

2507
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:29,159
I had to get rid of them, lying bro, so

2508
01:59:29,279 --> 01:59:32,319
we bo deboed them. He did, so, probably what happens.

2509
01:59:32,439 --> 01:59:34,399
Speaker 2: He got the box of CDs and went and sat

2510
01:59:34,479 --> 01:59:37,439
on a hill somewhere and opened each one because they're

2511
01:59:37,479 --> 01:59:39,239
cell a fane wrapped. You know, there's a certain feeling

2512
01:59:39,279 --> 01:59:42,239
when you're opening a CD right right or Christmas? Like

2513
01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:45,760
you hear that little rip? He said, oh, you look

2514
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:47,319
at it and look at the case and the cover

2515
01:59:47,439 --> 01:59:49,039
and the book. I'm sure he just looked at it

2516
01:59:49,079 --> 01:59:51,239
and described the CD and threw it and they just

2517
01:59:51,279 --> 01:59:54,239
grabbed the next one and what's this one cool and

2518
01:59:54,399 --> 01:59:57,239
just threw I'm pretty sure that's what happened. But uh

2519
01:59:58,119 --> 02:00:00,960
so now there's no more asking truth for for for

2520
02:00:01,159 --> 02:00:04,359
for money. It's like, hey, bro, you got my money.

2521
02:00:04,439 --> 02:00:06,159
Cuse no, I don't have the money.

2522
02:00:06,199 --> 02:00:09,199
Speaker 1: Truth, you'd be asking we both for money. He got

2523
02:00:09,239 --> 02:00:09,640
paid for them.

2524
02:00:10,119 --> 02:00:12,840
Speaker 2: He hasn't asked me for money again. I mean, it

2525
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:15,159
would have been it would have been a cool little

2526
02:00:15,439 --> 02:00:17,880
come up for him, like to go to churches he said,

2527
02:00:18,079 --> 02:00:21,000
to have any questing on the CDs. S ain't no customs,

2528
02:00:21,079 --> 02:00:24,960
Christian rat bro and most of it was like the esoty.

2529
02:00:25,079 --> 02:00:27,119
So a pastor could have made him throw it. They

2530
02:00:27,159 --> 02:00:28,840
probably could have put it in. It's like talking about

2531
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:31,600
pastor probably.

2532
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 1: On them that one where yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, this

2533
02:00:38,079 --> 02:00:41,720
is the monic, that's right. Yeah. So I would have

2534
02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:43,479
had more cities and he was playing with them demons.

2535
02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:44,319
Speaker 4: Man.

2536
02:00:45,159 --> 02:00:45,600
Speaker 1: Oh so.

2537
02:00:47,079 --> 02:00:49,279
Speaker 2: I don't know who to ask because I think you remember,

2538
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:53,119
do you want to tell the story because it's my story?

2539
02:00:53,239 --> 02:00:55,840
Speaker 1: But you know it? What's up? Oh man? I just

2540
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:58,079
got cut. You tell it, bro, you tell I've been

2541
02:00:58,119 --> 02:01:00,560
talking because we keep we keep saying and I said, yea,

2542
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:04,199
playing with them. Man, I just did you didn't you

2543
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:06,560
say it was firm. Yeah, I don't think I have

2544
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:09,239
his number. I'm gonna try to call him. I doubt he'll.

2545
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:13,119
I doubt I have his number. He relocated. He said

2546
02:01:13,159 --> 02:01:14,800
he was like at a prayer meeting or something like that,

2547
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:18,119
and he said, yeah, let me let me.

2548
02:01:18,439 --> 02:01:20,039
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try because I think it would be a

2549
02:01:20,119 --> 02:01:23,640
lot funnier if he shares it, which I don't think he'll.

2550
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:27,199
So I sent him this picture's picture you want to

2551
02:01:27,199 --> 02:01:31,000
show the camera like quick, sure, y'all show your hand.

2552
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:36,199
So that's us At, that's me, that's us and uh

2553
02:01:37,159 --> 02:01:39,720
us at deaftnes with you. So I showed him that

2554
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:41,920
we were hanging out together. I sent him that picture

2555
02:01:43,199 --> 02:01:46,800
and he said, uh, it's been years. Still the goat,

2556
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:49,359
my brother. They called me the greatest of all time,

2557
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:50,520
just like a mobile.

2558
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:54,560
Speaker 1: You was the best at Mobile had mob Town's finest

2559
02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:55,239
because I.

2560
02:01:55,279 --> 02:01:57,640
Speaker 2: Had you know, I had all the technology, like I

2561
02:01:57,680 --> 02:02:00,600
always had CDs and T shirts and stickers anytime we.

2562
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:03,560
Speaker 1: Did recording your own booth at the house too. I

2563
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:06,039
remember that you said you said something about he was

2564
02:02:06,079 --> 02:02:08,359
at a prayer meeting or something like that, and we

2565
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:11,399
was all there together. Yeah, and he had said something

2566
02:02:11,399 --> 02:02:15,680
about like, amen, y'all, y'all get cut, y'all get cut.

2567
02:02:16,520 --> 02:02:19,039
Demon had cut me or something like that. Is that

2568
02:02:19,119 --> 02:02:21,479
what he said? Yeah, he said I didn't get cut.

2569
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:23,840
He was holding his head, holding his head and got.

2570
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:27,359
Speaker 3: Cast out of somebody. Yeah, and it cut him or

2571
02:02:27,439 --> 02:02:28,359
you felt like it cut him.

2572
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:32,359
Speaker 1: He said, a man, I got cut. What was that time?

2573
02:02:32,439 --> 02:02:34,920
He was something like, you know, y'all playing with him demons?

2574
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:40,079
What was that? That's when he was, Uh, he was

2575
02:02:40,119 --> 02:02:42,000
at a concert and he just.

2576
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:45,920
Speaker 2: You know, people be going through a lot, people have

2577
02:02:46,079 --> 02:02:47,920
hard times, and you give him a microphone.

2578
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:49,000
Speaker 1: It's not good man.

2579
02:02:49,079 --> 02:02:51,119
Speaker 2: And I'm one of those people going through a hard

2580
02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:53,279
time and I've got a microphone. I'm here crying and

2581
02:02:53,439 --> 02:02:55,840
sobbing on the camera. But he was at a concert

2582
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:58,199
that that we put on and they gave him the

2583
02:02:58,239 --> 02:03:01,640
mic and he just quit playing with them demons. I

2584
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:04,159
need to quit listening to the Georce Meyer. George Meyer

2585
02:03:04,279 --> 02:03:06,880
playing with them demons. She a man anyway, she act.

2586
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:09,279
Speaker 1: Like a man. He just went in on all these

2587
02:03:09,439 --> 02:03:12,319
preachers to where we were like, hey, man, somebody needs

2588
02:03:12,359 --> 02:03:15,239
to cut his mic off. Man. He's like, it's not

2589
02:03:15,439 --> 02:03:18,840
need to started crying. I I can't do it no more.

2590
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 2: He was like crawling on the stage like, oh man,

2591
02:03:21,119 --> 02:03:22,880
like we got to get the mic from Furman.

2592
02:03:23,359 --> 02:03:24,359
Speaker 1: He was like, y'all need to quit.

2593
02:03:24,319 --> 02:03:28,000
Speaker 2: Playing with the demons, quit playing with the debits. George Meyer,

2594
02:03:29,239 --> 02:03:30,880
she got plastic surgery.

2595
02:03:31,359 --> 02:03:34,800
Speaker 1: She looked like a duck and was like from stop.

2596
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:38,279
Speaker 2: But it was funny because like me, being militant of times,

2597
02:03:38,319 --> 02:03:40,279
say he right, yeah yeah. But then it was the

2598
02:03:40,279 --> 02:03:42,439
whole on this man having a mental breakdown on the

2599
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:44,359
stage from all these people.

2600
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:46,680
Speaker 1: God bless him.

2601
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:48,760
Speaker 2: There was a there was a guy there in the

2602
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:52,640
crowd praying for people and uh, He's like, brother, let

2603
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:54,000
me pray for you. So he was like trying to,

2604
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:55,520
you know, take a kind of stealing the show in

2605
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:59,039
the crowd. And he's like something some evangelist or something,

2606
02:03:59,159 --> 02:04:01,800
just in the crowd praying for different people. He's like, brother,

2607
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:03,880
let me pray for you. So he pray for the

2608
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:06,840
white boy with dreadlocks. You know, that was only a

2609
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:10,520
white dude there. And I have my glasses on. He said,

2610
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:14,359
let me let me see your glasses, brother, And I

2611
02:04:14,439 --> 02:04:16,520
took my glasses off and handed him to him, and

2612
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:19,319
he took him and he put him in a handkerchief

2613
02:04:19,399 --> 02:04:22,800
and he rolled him up. I thought that he was

2614
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:24,119
going to throw him on the ground and make me

2615
02:04:24,199 --> 02:04:25,880
stomp on him on an act of faith to give

2616
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:26,840
my eyesight.

2617
02:04:27,199 --> 02:04:29,399
Speaker 1: When I was scared that, I was like, he was

2618
02:04:29,439 --> 02:04:32,439
waiting for something crazy. He's facing it made me step

2619
02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:35,039
on my glasses so my eyes can be healed. He

2620
02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:36,720
didn't do it, but I was scared of death.

2621
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:40,479
Speaker 2: I just knew that you know the power of persuasion,

2622
02:04:40,760 --> 02:04:43,680
and I probably would have did it knowing like it's

2623
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:44,119
not going.

2624
02:04:44,079 --> 02:04:46,600
Speaker 1: To work, or even believing that it would work.

2625
02:04:47,359 --> 02:04:51,159
Speaker 2: This is what the Lord takes and act a divine moment.

2626
02:04:52,279 --> 02:04:55,319
One moment is all that takes with Jesus. Brother, if

2627
02:04:55,319 --> 02:04:57,359
you'll step on your glasses, the Lord will hear your sight.

2628
02:04:57,439 --> 02:05:00,680
Even now, even now, there's probably people listening to me

2629
02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:03,079
now taking off their glasses, breaking them in their eyesights,

2630
02:05:03,119 --> 02:05:03,840
getting restored.

2631
02:05:04,279 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 1: Like that's what I thought. I was going to be

2632
02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:07,039
that guy.

2633
02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:09,359
Speaker 2: But he didn't do it. He didn't tell me to

2634
02:05:11,079 --> 02:05:14,000
what if, what are we doing with our lives? How

2635
02:05:14,039 --> 02:05:17,359
did I end up here? He's seeing that meme of

2636
02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:22,319
like a dude. It's this dude in like it was

2637
02:05:22,399 --> 02:05:24,760
like a bathtub full of milk. It's like this he's

2638
02:05:24,760 --> 02:05:27,279
sitting in the bathtub. He looks like he's bugged out.

2639
02:05:27,319 --> 02:05:30,800
And there's this old lady who looks just ass bugged out,

2640
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:34,319
wearing like a white dress and like maybe holding a

2641
02:05:34,359 --> 02:05:37,840
staff or something. And it's like me going through my

2642
02:05:39,039 --> 02:05:42,279
trauma and this shaman lady I met on the internet

2643
02:05:42,479 --> 02:05:45,079
and this is a kid in the bathtub, Like, how

2644
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:46,079
did I end up here?

2645
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:49,800
Speaker 1: Right? That's how I felt. That's how always, That's how

2646
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:54,319
you feel. Right now. I was going to see my family. Nah,

2647
02:05:54,399 --> 02:05:57,119
you're good. We have an intervention. Nah, you're good.

2648
02:05:57,159 --> 02:05:57,399
Speaker 3: Brother.

2649
02:05:57,880 --> 02:05:59,960
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing, ain't no feelings going on, but good thing.

2650
02:06:00,279 --> 02:06:03,840
We're not going to air this episode. An that's how

2651
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:06,920
you know. I saw it like letting it.

2652
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:12,319
Speaker 2: Down like Aaron talk much talk talk, and because we

2653
02:06:12,359 --> 02:06:13,640
don't have any of timer.

2654
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:18,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, while I'm watching the time, it's been nearly two hours.

2655
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:22,239
Speaker 1: Some good catching up we got, we got some catching.

2656
02:06:22,079 --> 02:06:23,560
Speaker 3: Up, just a lot of good stories.

2657
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah for us the listeners, Like I'm I subscribing now.

2658
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 2: Somebody just broke their glasses and they're driving.

2659
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:34,319
Speaker 1: That's right. They threw them out the window. So now

2660
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:36,560
now we have to release the prayer of faith over them.

2661
02:06:36,640 --> 02:06:40,760
That's right. Go for it. That a many man. Man.

2662
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:43,800
Speaker 2: I threw an O Cyrus hoodie off one time after

2663
02:06:44,479 --> 02:06:47,239
after UH party was hers. They don't even think it

2664
02:06:47,319 --> 02:06:50,880
was mine. I was at work driving the truck, praying

2665
02:06:52,239 --> 02:06:56,600
and like wearing O Cyrus hoodie. This says, O Cyrus

2666
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:58,039
Cyrus is a demon.

2667
02:06:59,199 --> 02:07:02,119
Speaker 1: Through the Cyrus out the window. I guess everything was

2668
02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:04,119
a demon at some point or another to us. Man,

2669
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:08,119
the hammer everything is. It looks like a nail. That's right,

2670
02:07:08,760 --> 02:07:11,520
that's right. It's about the condition of the heart.

2671
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:11,720
Speaker 2: Man.

2672
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:13,840
Speaker 1: And see you up here on this podcast wearing a

2673
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:18,560
demonic shirt shirt You like a perfect, perfect circle. It's not.

2674
02:07:20,119 --> 02:07:20,760
It's a triangle.

2675
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:21,680
Speaker 3: It's a tree of life.

2676
02:07:22,039 --> 02:07:22,960
Speaker 1: Amusing at all.

2677
02:07:23,319 --> 02:07:28,439
Speaker 3: It's a tree of life trying. Yeah, the Trinity, Holy Trinity.

2678
02:07:29,319 --> 02:07:29,479
Speaker 1: Man.

2679
02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:33,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, the tree doesn't like a being. It's got like

2680
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:34,319
a head and arms.

2681
02:07:36,119 --> 02:07:40,399
Speaker 1: That might be kind of pagan anything, that's what I say,

2682
02:07:40,479 --> 02:07:41,159
like pagan.

2683
02:07:41,800 --> 02:07:43,800
Speaker 2: Like there's this thing with what I've been saying, because

2684
02:07:44,039 --> 02:07:46,479
like with that idea, it's all pagan It's like what

2685
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:49,239
we used to do and people still do it, is

2686
02:07:49,399 --> 02:07:52,319
what I say. We're just the best at disrespecting things.

2687
02:07:53,319 --> 02:07:57,119
We're just disrespectful like anything any other.

2688
02:07:57,039 --> 02:07:58,439
Speaker 1: God, any other religion.

2689
02:07:58,600 --> 02:08:03,039
Speaker 2: We just we just love were masters of disrespect of

2690
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:05,760
other people's think that they call sacred or holy, and

2691
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:10,239
so we blaspheme like their religious relics and things that

2692
02:08:10,439 --> 02:08:13,039
mean a lot to them and all that kind of stuff,

2693
02:08:13,079 --> 02:08:15,439
you know, And that's one thing I just want to

2694
02:08:16,359 --> 02:08:16,920
stop doing.

2695
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:17,560
Speaker 1: I think I've gotten.

2696
02:08:17,800 --> 02:08:22,000
Speaker 3: And you wonder, like where that kind of belief originated,

2697
02:08:22,039 --> 02:08:24,159
because you see in the Bible, even Paul going to

2698
02:08:24,279 --> 02:08:28,279
the Temple of Demeter and not he didn't blasphem. He

2699
02:08:28,399 --> 02:08:33,600
didn't he visited the temple and didn't destroy it or

2700
02:08:34,039 --> 02:08:36,760
turn tables over or people.

2701
02:08:36,600 --> 02:08:40,720
Speaker 2: In their group was their name like followers of Demeter

2702
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:44,439
or followers of Venus, that was their name, but their name,

2703
02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:47,000
you know, was something different in English that you would.

2704
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:49,279
Speaker 3: Never know, like because they wanted they wanted to like

2705
02:08:49,800 --> 02:08:52,239
capture Paul and kill him for visiting the temple. But

2706
02:08:52,319 --> 02:08:54,279
the guy in charge was like, he didn't do anything.

2707
02:08:54,479 --> 02:08:57,680
He literally didn't desecrate the temple or even speak badly

2708
02:08:57,840 --> 02:08:58,520
of anything.

2709
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:00,479
Speaker 1: Somebody else's house in disrespect them. Are they going to

2710
02:09:00,520 --> 02:09:01,920
listen to the message you bring right?

2711
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:02,199
Speaker 2: Right?

2712
02:09:02,399 --> 02:09:04,000
Speaker 1: You know? And that's the thing. It's like the only

2713
02:09:04,079 --> 02:09:07,159
time you see tables being overturned is the people who

2714
02:09:07,199 --> 02:09:11,359
knew better. Yeah, it's his own father's house, right, You

2715
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,159
overturn tables in your own house, not in a not

2716
02:09:14,319 --> 02:09:17,399
in someone who's invited you as our guests. Yes, exactly,

2717
02:09:17,399 --> 02:09:19,960
And so that's that's what we are. If you look

2718
02:09:20,039 --> 02:09:23,439
at it like we are almost always a guest in

2719
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:27,680
someone else's house, Conduct yourself differently, and you'll respect whatever

2720
02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:30,279
it is they think is sacred. Yeah, at least not

2721
02:09:30,399 --> 02:09:32,199
out of not out of the thing, but out of

2722
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:33,760
goodwill towards them.

2723
02:09:34,239 --> 02:09:37,199
Speaker 3: Even here, we're visitors here, we're strangers here. This is

2724
02:09:37,239 --> 02:09:40,439
not where we're from. And to come come here and

2725
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:45,000
to dishonor and disrespect, destroy the earth, destroy each other.

2726
02:09:45,079 --> 02:09:48,479
Speaker 2: People as women, so wrong, use animals.

2727
02:09:48,640 --> 02:09:52,520
Speaker 1: You got to remember who we are, our bodies. These

2728
02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:56,760
earth suits were disrespectful. You know.

2729
02:09:56,840 --> 02:10:00,720
Speaker 2: We're trying to fix that. I would say, yeah, we

2730
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:02,840
are the Power Team.

2731
02:10:04,199 --> 02:10:06,119
Speaker 1: Everybody listening, the Power Team.

2732
02:10:07,399 --> 02:10:13,199
Speaker 3: Anybody got a phone, Captain what's a phone book? They

2733
02:10:13,239 --> 02:10:14,119
don't make phone books.

2734
02:10:14,319 --> 02:10:14,840
Speaker 1: That's funny.

2735
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:18,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, the phone books had addresses in them.

2736
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:19,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

2737
02:10:19,720 --> 02:10:23,640
Speaker 2: When's just your name and phone number? It had your address.

2738
02:10:24,079 --> 02:10:27,560
Speaker 3: Okay, let's end it with a fun question. What should

2739
02:10:27,600 --> 02:10:30,000
the power team rip in half now that there are

2740
02:10:30,039 --> 02:10:30,760
no phone books?

2741
02:10:31,079 --> 02:10:37,560
Speaker 1: A deck of cards? Parrot cards, you said, terrort cards.

2742
02:10:38,319 --> 02:10:44,199
That's too easy, as glasses would break these cuffs. Remember

2743
02:10:44,239 --> 02:10:46,199
they used to break cups. Yeah, I remember that.

2744
02:10:46,319 --> 02:10:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that little dude in chains. Yeah, all kind of

2745
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:50,960
like random stuff.

2746
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:57,560
Speaker 1: I could break these cups the power of Christ. I

2747
02:10:57,640 --> 02:10:59,720
remember that. That was actually pretty cool. But you know,

2748
02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:02,520
it's like getting crunked in the name when you're going

2749
02:11:02,600 --> 02:11:06,359
for the lord. Yeah. Yeah, seven. It reminds me of

2750
02:11:06,399 --> 02:11:10,279
that Hearty's commercial because Harty's taste good when you're seven

2751
02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:10,920
or whatever.

2752
02:11:11,479 --> 02:11:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, our guest, that's the end of the podcast. I guess, so,

2753
02:11:16,319 --> 02:11:18,359
I guess this is it why I used to hear it. Now,

2754
02:11:19,079 --> 02:11:21,560
thanks for hanging out with us. We we are not

2755
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:24,920
good at Segway. We have some Segway stuff, and but

2756
02:11:25,239 --> 02:11:27,119
segue and the end of a podcast can say we

2757
02:11:27,159 --> 02:11:27,640
don't want it.

2758
02:11:27,680 --> 02:11:30,560
Speaker 3: To end, which it's kind of a cheat because for us,

2759
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:32,399
it's not going to end because we're just gonna go

2760
02:11:32,439 --> 02:11:33,640
and hang out with Reggie some more.

2761
02:11:33,880 --> 02:11:37,880
Speaker 1: We just hang on, keep requoting it. Yeah, you never know.

2762
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:40,640
Speaker 2: It's called the vlog that's right now. But we do

2763
02:11:40,760 --> 02:11:44,199
have a retreat coming up that we're excited about.

2764
02:11:44,439 --> 02:11:49,680
Speaker 3: Mount Shasta, Vortex, UFOs, beautiful energy nature.

2765
02:11:50,279 --> 02:11:52,560
Speaker 2: Oh, let's talk about that before we end the UFO.

2766
02:11:53,159 --> 02:11:56,760
You remember, like one of our last interactions years ago

2767
02:11:56,840 --> 02:11:59,920
before there was a gap, was like we both prayed

2768
02:12:00,119 --> 02:12:04,479
to see a UFO and like we kind of we

2769
02:12:04,680 --> 02:12:07,600
might have saw the same thing, like the same weekend,

2770
02:12:08,079 --> 02:12:09,079
because we like.

2771
02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:12,039
Speaker 1: Both called each other to tell each other like what

2772
02:12:12,199 --> 02:12:14,319
we saw, and you were like.

2773
02:12:14,319 --> 02:12:16,319
Speaker 2: Brother, I was in my car driving and I prayed,

2774
02:12:16,319 --> 02:12:17,800
and I swear to you, I looked up and I

2775
02:12:17,880 --> 02:12:22,159
saw a cigar shaped craft or something. I didn't you

2776
02:12:22,279 --> 02:12:24,640
tell me a couple of yeah, because I saw this

2777
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:26,760
sad thing. I remember that on the phone with Watchman

2778
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,119
because he was asking me about it too. I think

2779
02:12:30,039 --> 02:12:31,960
I think I ended up talking to Watchmen about it

2780
02:12:32,760 --> 02:12:33,800
as well. During that time.

2781
02:12:34,119 --> 02:12:36,439
Speaker 1: It was one that I was driving down the highway

2782
02:12:36,439 --> 02:12:38,479
and I saw and it looked like it was two

2783
02:12:39,880 --> 02:12:45,279
white you know UFOs that became one and during the

2784
02:12:45,359 --> 02:12:47,119
day or not. It was during the day. And I

2785
02:12:47,199 --> 02:12:48,760
don't remember which one. I'm going to tell you about

2786
02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:51,640
two different ones, and I don't remember which one I

2787
02:12:51,680 --> 02:12:53,000
talked to you about, but I remember I talked to

2788
02:12:53,039 --> 02:12:56,279
Watchmen about this and it became one and then it's

2789
02:12:56,439 --> 02:12:58,960
like and I could see it as clear as day,

2790
02:13:01,079 --> 02:13:04,119
and then I kind of like blinked my eyes like

2791
02:13:04,239 --> 02:13:06,439
to make sure I was seeing it, and it disappeared.

2792
02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:09,640
And then the other one was at night, and that

2793
02:13:09,800 --> 02:13:14,159
was an orb It was like a reddish color, not

2794
02:13:14,279 --> 02:13:18,159
exactly deep red though. And I was driving down the

2795
02:13:18,399 --> 02:13:21,399
drive to my apartment that I lived in, and I

2796
02:13:21,479 --> 02:13:24,279
could feel something watching me. I don't remember if I

2797
02:13:24,359 --> 02:13:27,279
was driving or walking. I might have been walking. I

2798
02:13:27,319 --> 02:13:29,920
might have been out for a walk and I felt

2799
02:13:29,960 --> 02:13:32,800
like something was watching me right, And I turned and

2800
02:13:32,920 --> 02:13:37,000
looked and just above the trees, and it was literally

2801
02:13:37,199 --> 02:13:39,239
just above the trees, like I feel like I could

2802
02:13:39,279 --> 02:13:41,880
have thrown a rock and hit it, and it was

2803
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:43,520
a it was an orb of light, and when I

2804
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:47,560
looked at it, it went from being completely there to.

2805
02:13:49,720 --> 02:13:49,920
Speaker 2: Like it.

2806
02:13:50,520 --> 02:13:52,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I couldn't say it shut off. It

2807
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:56,319
just kind of shrunk and disappeared like that. So it

2808
02:13:56,479 --> 02:13:59,439
wasn't like a light like you flip a switch. It

2809
02:13:59,560 --> 02:14:01,600
was like it was like a substance of some sort.

2810
02:14:02,119 --> 02:14:04,359
So those are two experiences that I had around that

2811
02:14:04,479 --> 02:14:07,760
same time. Yeah, and so the first one looked like

2812
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:10,199
flying craft. The second one, I don't know what that was,

2813
02:14:10,520 --> 02:14:12,720
but the first one you told me about, it's probably

2814
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:14,880
the first one. They happened within the same time period.

2815
02:14:15,359 --> 02:14:18,279
But the second one it felt like something was watching me. Huh.

2816
02:14:18,479 --> 02:14:22,039
The first one, that's why you called watchmen. I had

2817
02:14:22,079 --> 02:14:24,960
your name is Watchman, and I really watching me? Brother

2818
02:14:25,159 --> 02:14:26,640
was watching me? Was it you?

2819
02:14:27,239 --> 02:14:27,520
Speaker 2: Was it you?

2820
02:14:27,720 --> 02:14:30,479
Speaker 1: Yes? It was me brother? But yeah, no that that

2821
02:14:30,720 --> 02:14:32,439
what was the one that you said? Did you see

2822
02:14:32,479 --> 02:14:33,560
something at that time? Yeah?

2823
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:36,119
Speaker 2: So we were in DestinE and this was years ago,

2824
02:14:36,279 --> 02:14:40,359
and I was riding the jet ski with John like

2825
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:43,800
towards Crab Island and just and at that time, I'm

2826
02:14:43,880 --> 02:14:46,680
like always looking up still am but like wanting to

2827
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:49,720
see something is during the day and and uh, I

2828
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:53,680
just saw a cylinder craft just hovering in the in

2829
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:56,560
the in the sky, just moving really slow. There's like

2830
02:14:56,600 --> 02:14:59,479
a plane but with no wings. And by the time

2831
02:14:59,560 --> 02:15:01,880
I I was like, man, he stopped because it was shallow,

2832
02:15:01,960 --> 02:15:04,159
that we can get off as soon as we stopped

2833
02:15:04,199 --> 02:15:05,640
or whatever. I tried to get him to look up

2834
02:15:05,640 --> 02:15:08,159
because he was he was always trying to you know,

2835
02:15:08,239 --> 02:15:10,239
he was big into him too, but he didn't get

2836
02:15:10,239 --> 02:15:10,880
a chance to see it.

2837
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:14,239
Speaker 1: But it was like the cigar shape one I can

2838
02:15:14,279 --> 02:15:16,399
tell you one I probably almost called you about, but

2839
02:15:16,479 --> 02:15:19,159
I didn't because I realized that it wasn't what I thought.

2840
02:15:19,159 --> 02:15:21,880
I wouldn't believe, dude. I was when I was living

2841
02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:25,479
in Mobile and I was driving my work fan and

2842
02:15:25,880 --> 02:15:31,279
I saw what looked like your classic round silver UFO.

2843
02:15:31,600 --> 02:15:35,159
Uh huh, clear as day it was round sphericle. I'm

2844
02:15:35,159 --> 02:15:38,000
sitting here like, am I actually, I'm like freaking out

2845
02:15:38,199 --> 02:15:42,319
because it's pretty close. It's not so far away that

2846
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:44,560
you know, You're like, I don't know, is that just

2847
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:47,199
a reflection or is it a blur? It was clear,

2848
02:15:47,560 --> 02:15:49,279
and I'm sitting here like, what am I looking at

2849
02:15:49,359 --> 02:15:51,039
right now? Yeah? Is this what I think it is?

2850
02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:53,960
My heart's you know, beating and palpitating all that stuff,

2851
02:15:54,279 --> 02:15:56,159
and then it starts to turn and it was the

2852
02:15:56,439 --> 02:15:59,279
good Year blimp. Oh yeah, but because of the way

2853
02:15:59,359 --> 02:16:02,279
it was facing, it looked completely round and spherical, and

2854
02:16:02,399 --> 02:16:04,279
I thought I was seeing an alien spacecraft.

2855
02:16:04,399 --> 02:16:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2856
02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:08,840
Speaker 1: So sometimes what you're looking at isn't what you think

2857
02:16:08,920 --> 02:16:09,079
it is.

2858
02:16:09,159 --> 02:16:10,880
Speaker 2: That's why I tell people all the times. It's like,

2859
02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:14,000
I call myself a skeptic and uh, and I think

2860
02:16:14,039 --> 02:16:16,439
it's it's good. It's healthy to be a skeptic. Like what, like,

2861
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:21,239
what else could it be first besides the thing that

2862
02:16:21,359 --> 02:16:23,399
you want it to be, because like I want it

2863
02:16:23,479 --> 02:16:25,119
to be a UFO so bad. But it was a

2864
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:28,800
plane because when planes are flying directly towards you at night,

2865
02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:33,520
they're freaking super bright with their headlights or whatever, and

2866
02:16:33,639 --> 02:16:35,319
so and then they fly right over you and they

2867
02:16:35,319 --> 02:16:41,360
are planes. But there's footage of UFOs turning into planes

2868
02:16:41,399 --> 02:16:41,760
as well.

2869
02:16:41,920 --> 02:16:43,559
Speaker 1: So there's there's that.

2870
02:16:44,840 --> 02:16:48,239
Speaker 2: But but I'm the same way and and uh and

2871
02:16:48,360 --> 02:16:51,760
so I have so many different sightings and experiences.

2872
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:53,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, if just one of them was was.

2873
02:16:53,719 --> 02:16:56,680
Speaker 2: Real, you know, once you start, you don't want to

2874
02:16:56,680 --> 02:16:59,079
start having them and writing them down and it's like, okay,

2875
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:00,840
that was just a flock of so that was just this,

2876
02:17:01,000 --> 02:17:02,840
or that was just that it's like, now I have

2877
02:17:03,040 --> 02:17:07,840
seventeen of them, one of them, could you know, could

2878
02:17:07,879 --> 02:17:12,440
be real. I'm still I still like they say that,

2879
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:14,680
I'm that way skeptical just so I can make sure

2880
02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:17,879
that I see the real thing we want.

2881
02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:19,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I if you've heard this story,

2882
02:17:20,040 --> 02:17:21,639
but one.

2883
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:26,159
Speaker 2: Of our retreats, we always end our retreat retreats with stargazing,

2884
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:29,680
and we have military grade night vision goggles and we

2885
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:32,040
bring those out and we get under the stars with

2886
02:17:32,079 --> 02:17:34,840
those in freaking amazing. And so it was only three

2887
02:17:34,879 --> 02:17:36,840
of us at this retreat. I didn't really promote it.

2888
02:17:37,120 --> 02:17:42,920
It was Stephen the voice from him, him and Buddy Martin.

2889
02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:44,280
Speaker 1: Smith, and so it was just us three.

2890
02:17:45,360 --> 02:17:48,040
Speaker 2: And so we we do a Gookala ceremony and we

2891
02:17:48,120 --> 02:17:50,159
do breath work, getting really deep, just get into some

2892
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:53,200
real spiritual, beautiful energy worship music, that kind of thing.

2893
02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:56,000
Speaker 1: Into the night. We go out to the field and

2894
02:17:56,079 --> 02:17:58,920
it's scary because it's like pitch black, like it's a

2895
02:17:59,079 --> 02:17:59,760
it's a it's a.

2896
02:17:59,799 --> 02:18:03,040
Speaker 2: New moon, and you can't you can you can barely

2897
02:18:03,079 --> 02:18:05,040
see your hand in front of your face, it's so dark.

2898
02:18:05,360 --> 02:18:08,600
Speaker 1: And so we go out there to this this field

2899
02:18:08,639 --> 02:18:09,239
and so we're.

2900
02:18:09,159 --> 02:18:12,959
Speaker 2: Like, okay's there's jaguarres out here, like some kind of

2901
02:18:13,079 --> 02:18:16,959
panthers or something like, we're in trouble if there's anything

2902
02:18:17,040 --> 02:18:20,879
out here. But I had night the night vision, so we're,

2903
02:18:21,399 --> 02:18:23,319
you know, looking up to the sky. We're just asking

2904
02:18:23,399 --> 02:18:27,520
for a sighting and stuff. And I learned several retreats

2905
02:18:27,559 --> 02:18:31,280
in that people were experiencing not stuff out of the

2906
02:18:31,360 --> 02:18:34,600
atmosphere in the sky, but they were experiencing lights in

2907
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:37,000
the woods that were moving, and they were trying to

2908
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:38,680
get me to look, but I was like, no, no, no, no,

2909
02:18:38,840 --> 02:18:40,559
we got these goggles and we're looking up for it.

2910
02:18:40,680 --> 02:18:44,000
That's just probably a lightning bug. And I've had I've

2911
02:18:44,079 --> 02:18:47,840
had like profound experiences with some kind of lightning bug

2912
02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:51,399
looking things. But it was I guess it was a

2913
02:18:51,479 --> 02:18:53,840
lesson for me because there was nothing in the sky

2914
02:18:54,120 --> 02:18:56,879
but this thing. We just went all the way around

2915
02:18:57,000 --> 02:18:59,079
us like in the circumference of a circle, and then

2916
02:18:59,079 --> 02:19:01,079
there was a bunch of them just in the woods

2917
02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:05,319
blinking pulse. They weren't linking at pulsing. So in my

2918
02:19:05,399 --> 02:19:08,920
mind still the skeptics like it could be it could

2919
02:19:08,920 --> 02:19:10,719
be lightning bugs, but they looked different there were a

2920
02:19:10,760 --> 02:19:14,360
different color. They they the way they lit up and

2921
02:19:15,479 --> 02:19:17,399
just came in and out. Say this looks a little

2922
02:19:17,399 --> 02:19:22,600
bit different. And Martin was like, nah, brother, these that's

2923
02:19:22,639 --> 02:19:24,840
not lightning, but these things are communicating with us. I

2924
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:26,360
was like, all right, let's try to get close to

2925
02:19:26,920 --> 02:19:30,200
close to them. And we were like still, it's kind

2926
02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:32,840
of scary and I'm trying to get close to it.

2927
02:19:32,959 --> 02:19:34,959
And we get real close to one and me and

2928
02:19:35,079 --> 02:19:38,520
Martin are just like fixated. Stephen was kind of spooked

2929
02:19:38,559 --> 02:19:42,799
because it was very spooky out there, but he's like, hey,

2930
02:19:42,879 --> 02:19:44,840
I think they want us to leave, bro. I think

2931
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:46,399
he started getting like real scared of.

2932
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:46,840
Speaker 1: Wanting to leave.

2933
02:19:46,879 --> 02:19:48,920
Speaker 2: And me and Martin are like, nah, we're here for this,

2934
02:19:49,159 --> 02:19:52,159
like we want to make sure. So me and Martin

2935
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:56,479
are like, if you're if you can hear us, and

2936
02:19:57,239 --> 02:20:00,200
can you can you change forms for us? Can you

2937
02:20:00,319 --> 02:20:02,920
maybe take on the form of a woman or something

2938
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:04,680
and say hello?

2939
02:20:05,639 --> 02:20:07,520
Speaker 1: And we were like child like awe.

2940
02:20:07,360 --> 02:20:10,760
Speaker 2: And wonder like maybe this is maybe this could happen.

2941
02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:13,559
And as soon as we say that, Stevens like, nah, man,

2942
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:16,959
I no, I can't see nothing like that, bro, I can't.

2943
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:18,840
Speaker 1: We gotta go now. We gotta go.

2944
02:20:18,959 --> 02:20:21,559
Speaker 2: And he starts panicking. So now the energy shifts, right

2945
02:20:21,559 --> 02:20:24,120
because now we're like respect and he's like, oh no,

2946
02:20:24,200 --> 02:20:26,479
we gotta go, man, I'm leaving y'all. And he started

2947
02:20:26,840 --> 02:20:29,639
walking out by himself and scared and tripping over stuff.

2948
02:20:30,239 --> 02:20:35,040
And as he did that, broke where the light was.

2949
02:20:35,159 --> 02:20:38,840
The light goes out and I see in the pitch

2950
02:20:38,959 --> 02:20:45,040
black a silhouette of a three foot dude being running

2951
02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:49,680
up and run right around me, and Martin did like

2952
02:20:49,719 --> 02:20:51,639
a have circle and ran back. And I was like

2953
02:20:52,239 --> 02:20:54,639
it was so dark that I'm a skeptic too that

2954
02:20:54,680 --> 02:20:58,120
I'm like, did I just see that? Or did my

2955
02:20:58,239 --> 02:20:59,200
mind playing tricks on me?

2956
02:20:59,319 --> 02:21:02,520
Speaker 1: Right? And so I said, I said, hey, Martin, he said,

2957
02:21:04,120 --> 02:21:08,399
the little dude you saw the little dude saw you

2958
02:21:08,479 --> 02:21:10,079
saw it too. I didn't even have to tell you.

2959
02:21:10,799 --> 02:21:13,319
I didn't have to convince you. He said, the little dude, Yeah,

2960
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:16,120
I saw him. I was like, oh yeah. I was like,

2961
02:21:16,399 --> 02:21:19,520
if if Steven wouldn't have come, like what if, what

2962
02:21:19,639 --> 02:21:23,840
could we have encountered? Right? Because he's like Steven's like, no, man,

2963
02:21:23,879 --> 02:21:25,959
we got an agreement. Man. They know not to show

2964
02:21:26,040 --> 02:21:28,360
up like that for me. They know I'm scared of him.

2965
02:21:28,280 --> 02:21:31,399
Speaker 2: Because he had like demonic experiences with shadow beings and stuff,

2966
02:21:31,440 --> 02:21:33,319
so a shot if he if he would have seen

2967
02:21:33,399 --> 02:21:35,120
that shadow, he might have had a heart attack or

2968
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:37,760
something and shoot me too.

2969
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:41,639
Speaker 1: But like it was so fast. But yeah, like these

2970
02:21:42,159 --> 02:21:46,280
then that's what I've had conversations with people about things

2971
02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:50,360
like this, and and it's really cool because there are

2972
02:21:50,440 --> 02:21:52,280
some people out there. I think a lot of times

2973
02:21:52,319 --> 02:21:54,280
you feel like you need to have people out there,

2974
02:21:54,479 --> 02:21:56,559
like I'm gonna keep telling people till I find somebody

2975
02:21:56,600 --> 02:21:58,719
who believes me or maybe they've had a similar experience.

2976
02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:00,879
A lot of times we're trying to like, Okay, am

2977
02:22:00,920 --> 02:22:03,319
I crazy? You know? Did I see that? Like you said,

2978
02:22:03,360 --> 02:22:06,040
you immediately had a confirmation. A lot of people never

2979
02:22:06,079 --> 02:22:08,559
get that confirmation, so they're stuck with thinking, Okay, did

2980
02:22:08,600 --> 02:22:10,239
I really see that that, I really hear that, that

2981
02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:14,760
really experience that. And for me, it's like, you know,

2982
02:22:15,000 --> 02:22:17,959
sometimes experience is for you. You need to treat it

2983
02:22:18,360 --> 02:22:22,840
as a sacred experience. And then sometimes not everybody, not

2984
02:22:22,879 --> 02:22:27,280
everybody gets that confirmation that or that affirmation from somebody else,

2985
02:22:27,360 --> 02:22:29,680
you know, like yeah, experience the same thing. That's what

2986
02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:32,120
this podcast does that. That's what this is here for you,

2987
02:22:32,239 --> 02:22:35,319
because there might be somebody listening or watching who is like, yo,

2988
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:38,760
I saw something similar, and that was what it was

2989
02:22:38,879 --> 02:22:40,760
for me. When I was younger, I saw the people

2990
02:22:40,840 --> 02:22:43,680
in white. I'd see them in the in broad daylight.

2991
02:22:44,799 --> 02:22:48,959
But it was always catching, just a glimpse, just just

2992
02:22:49,079 --> 02:22:51,079
quick enough to know I saw something, but you're kind

2993
02:22:51,120 --> 02:22:53,280
of like, wait a minute, where they go? Always I

2994
02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:56,399
would have seen those I saw. I saw well. I

2995
02:22:56,440 --> 02:22:58,319
did see the shadow of people standing in my doorway

2996
02:22:58,360 --> 02:22:59,760
when I was younger, and I always thought it was

2997
02:22:59,799 --> 02:23:02,200
my standing there watching over us as we slept. Yeah,

2998
02:23:02,319 --> 02:23:05,879
and I'd say, daddy, and it would just stand there,

2999
02:23:06,399 --> 02:23:08,719
and so I'd go walk and I and I was

3000
02:23:08,920 --> 02:23:10,639
I knew just as soon as I stuck my head out,

3001
02:23:10,680 --> 02:23:12,959
I was gonna hit his flesh fill the you know,

3002
02:23:13,440 --> 02:23:16,040
his hairy chest or something, you know, because he you know,

3003
02:23:16,200 --> 02:23:19,399
usually at night, he'd you know, go topless or whatever.

3004
02:23:19,719 --> 02:23:21,840
And I'm sitting here thinking, and I'll walk right through it.

3005
02:23:22,239 --> 02:23:25,680
And that happened several times whenever I was young. But

3006
02:23:25,799 --> 02:23:27,879
then as I got older, I started seeing the people

3007
02:23:27,959 --> 02:23:31,360
in white and they were always watching me, always running

3008
02:23:31,879 --> 02:23:35,799
like you know, in the distance somewhere and uh, and

3009
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:39,399
I remember, and nobody's I've never talked to anybody who said, yeah,

3010
02:23:39,399 --> 02:23:44,159
I seen the same thing, but i've in my twenties.

3011
02:23:44,159 --> 02:23:46,079
Around the same time that I saw the orb of

3012
02:23:46,200 --> 02:23:49,280
light and the the the UFOs or whatever they were

3013
02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:53,440
UAPs what are they calling them nowadays, I did pray

3014
02:23:53,520 --> 02:23:57,360
and was asking around the same time. I was like,

3015
02:23:57,479 --> 02:24:01,280
you know, if if this is something that I saw,

3016
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:02,920
will you let me see it again. I think I

3017
02:24:02,959 --> 02:24:06,079
was around twenty four something like that, and it was

3018
02:24:06,159 --> 02:24:08,879
at night time and I normally always seen him in

3019
02:24:08,920 --> 02:24:11,719
the day and I was pulling out. I was in

3020
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:13,799
my car and I was pulling out of the driveway

3021
02:24:14,040 --> 02:24:17,280
or the road that led to my apartments, and my

3022
02:24:17,840 --> 02:24:22,200
headlights caught a man in white running away from me. Wow.

3023
02:24:23,239 --> 02:24:26,719
And it was way Demors. No, definitely was a way Demors.

3024
02:24:26,840 --> 02:24:29,120
But the cool thing was is he was right across

3025
02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:32,239
the highway and the minute I blink, no, you're good,

3026
02:24:32,239 --> 02:24:34,639
you're good. But the minute I blinked, the minute I blinked,

3027
02:24:34,760 --> 02:24:36,719
didn't see him anymore. But I know I saw him,

3028
02:24:37,440 --> 02:24:39,479
and it was literally I had just prayed before I

3029
02:24:39,559 --> 02:24:42,280
left my apartment, and I was just like, you know,

3030
02:24:42,399 --> 02:24:44,040
if I really saw that when I was a kid,

3031
02:24:44,079 --> 02:24:46,200
will you let me see it one more time? I

3032
02:24:46,280 --> 02:24:49,120
saw it, and that was probably twenty eleven. It was

3033
02:24:49,120 --> 02:24:53,520
a while back, and that's all I needed. I don't

3034
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:54,959
I can go the rest of my life and not

3035
02:24:55,079 --> 02:24:57,799
see it and know what I saw, right, And I

3036
02:24:57,840 --> 02:25:01,120
don't know why I saw those things, those beings, they're people,

3037
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:04,000
you know. I don't know if the angels watching over me.

3038
02:25:04,040 --> 02:25:05,840
I don't know what they are, but it's like I

3039
02:25:05,959 --> 02:25:07,920
saw them, and I know I saw them, and maybe

3040
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:11,520
one day it all makes sense. But right now, if

3041
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:14,799
anybody listening has seen somebody in white there, you go, yeah,

3042
02:25:15,079 --> 02:25:15,600
oh for sure.

3043
02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:19,360
Speaker 2: If somebody listens totally had that encounter, yeah, you know,

3044
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:21,479
I don't think I have.

3045
02:25:22,360 --> 02:25:25,319
Speaker 3: I've seen a blue a blue person, a blue being,

3046
02:25:25,559 --> 02:25:29,079
and they had like patterns all over their skin like

3047
02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:33,239
the Nave similar she said, more like, what's that guy?

3048
02:25:33,440 --> 02:25:35,479
He looked This one looked more like the guy on

3049
02:25:36,159 --> 02:25:40,000
Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh yeah, but he's got those

3050
02:25:40,040 --> 02:25:41,360
patterns all the big buff guy.

3051
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:45,239
Speaker 1: Oh okay, here you're talking about tracks, right, he's kind

3052
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:46,399
of like gray with the red scar.

3053
02:25:46,600 --> 02:25:49,079
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

3054
02:25:49,120 --> 02:25:52,319
Speaker 1: Heard him like like, uh, what do you call that?

3055
02:25:52,440 --> 02:25:53,520
Like not Gregorian, but.

3056
02:25:53,639 --> 02:25:56,360
Speaker 2: Like he was praying, but it was a kind of

3057
02:25:56,479 --> 02:26:00,079
like low hum over her and stuff in the bedroom, like.

3058
02:26:00,120 --> 02:26:04,159
Speaker 3: A guttural chant type of language. And I you know,

3059
02:26:05,479 --> 02:26:07,719
it's so weird when you have these experiences that it's

3060
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:09,799
not English words, but you just have a knowing of

3061
02:26:09,879 --> 02:26:12,399
what they're saying, you know. And he was a praying

3062
02:26:12,399 --> 02:26:15,319
and protection over us. It was a time when I

3063
02:26:15,440 --> 02:26:20,040
was going through a lot of mental battles. It was

3064
02:26:20,079 --> 02:26:22,120
after my healing experience and I had a lot of

3065
02:26:22,159 --> 02:26:24,959
stuff coming out of me that was still fighting to stay.

3066
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:28,239
And yeah, I just had had I was just begging

3067
02:26:28,319 --> 02:26:31,680
God like to send somebody to protect me and protect

3068
02:26:31,760 --> 02:26:36,360
me and him, and it was it was very strange,

3069
02:26:36,440 --> 02:26:38,600
Like I woke up. I was not dreaming because I

3070
02:26:38,879 --> 02:26:41,600
keep dream journals and stuff like I can tell the difference.

3071
02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:45,639
And I woke up and saw this being in our room.

3072
02:26:47,079 --> 02:26:49,280
And it sounds like if you know who I'm talking

3073
02:26:49,319 --> 02:26:51,840
about describing, like you would think it would be scary,

3074
02:26:51,959 --> 02:26:55,239
but there was no fear at all, Like but I

3075
02:26:55,520 --> 02:27:00,559
saw him. It was almost like translucent, so he wasn't

3076
02:27:00,639 --> 02:27:03,920
like fully there, but I could see him and hear

3077
02:27:04,040 --> 02:27:06,760
the prayers, and I immediately got the interpretation of the

3078
02:27:06,799 --> 02:27:13,680
prayers and weird mannerisms and stuff like the way it translated.

3079
02:27:13,959 --> 02:27:15,920
It was almost like what we were talking about earlier,

3080
02:27:16,079 --> 02:27:19,280
kind of like catchphrases that aren't used anymore. But I

3081
02:27:19,360 --> 02:27:24,120
knew what it meant, and I had an immediate like

3082
02:27:24,440 --> 02:27:26,799
feeling of peace and protection wash over me and I

3083
02:27:26,879 --> 02:27:27,719
went back to sleep.

3084
02:27:29,559 --> 02:27:30,959
Speaker 1: No, it was more like the other guy.

3085
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:34,280
Speaker 3: No, I mean it looked like that, but he had patterns,

3086
02:27:34,399 --> 02:27:38,399
like scroll like patterns all over the skin.

3087
02:27:39,559 --> 02:27:42,520
Speaker 2: That's the dude from the Watchman or whatever. But it

3088
02:27:42,639 --> 02:27:44,639
wasn't like him. It was more like the other guy.

3089
02:27:46,920 --> 02:27:50,520
Speaker 3: Just because of the patterns. Yet his entire skin was

3090
02:27:50,600 --> 02:27:51,559
covered with patterns.

3091
02:27:53,120 --> 02:28:01,040
Speaker 1: I think you know his name, Reggie. It's so weird

3092
02:28:01,079 --> 02:28:03,559
how the how this all works though, you know, talking

3093
02:28:03,559 --> 02:28:07,959
about the name for Drags. Who played Dracks five seconds,

3094
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:09,360
I'll tell you who the character?

3095
02:28:14,559 --> 02:28:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what he looked like.

3096
02:28:16,719 --> 02:28:33,399
Speaker 1: Just you know, Dave Bautista, Yeah, I played them. Hey

3097
02:28:33,479 --> 02:28:36,479
what you're doing, brother, Hey, what's going on? Which you

3098
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:39,239
going pretty good? Just got somebody who wanted to say

3099
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:42,479
hello to you for a second. Ahead, put it to

3100
02:28:42,600 --> 02:28:50,440
the mic. What's up by for me? I'm trying to

3101
02:28:50,479 --> 02:28:51,799
get you where we can get you on the camera.

3102
02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:53,959
I don't know if that's mic. Okay, we'll do it

3103
02:28:54,040 --> 02:28:59,479
on the mic. How's it going, brother, I've been good man,

3104
02:28:59,559 --> 02:29:02,559
I've been good. Ahead, it was in it was in

3105
02:29:02,639 --> 02:29:08,000
here talking about you a little bit. I appreciate it. Yeah.

3106
02:29:08,079 --> 02:29:10,159
There that was talking about the time you had got cut.

3107
02:29:11,000 --> 02:29:16,680
You remember that gout? Yeah? Tell him there. You know,

3108
02:29:18,520 --> 02:29:20,600
we was at a church service. At a church service.

3109
02:29:20,639 --> 02:29:22,639
He said something demon had cut you or something like that.

3110
02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good times, right, Getting cut by demon

3111
02:29:36,520 --> 02:29:45,719
is not great, Firman. We're doing a we're doing a podcast. Bro,

3112
02:29:45,840 --> 02:29:47,799
I figured I uh hit you up.

3113
02:29:48,360 --> 02:29:50,559
Speaker 1: He wanted to. He wanted to bring you in on it. Man.

3114
02:29:50,600 --> 02:29:52,399
We were talking about the old days. Man, it's been

3115
02:29:52,399 --> 02:30:01,399
a while. What's you up to nowadays? Yeah? Okay, ain't

3116
02:30:01,399 --> 02:30:07,360
no wrong with that, okay. So working in making my

3117
02:30:07,479 --> 02:30:10,319
hand chases? Oh out in Texas? Okay, So you ain't

3118
02:30:10,399 --> 02:30:18,200
mob town anymore? Years? Okay? Okay, Well said, I've been

3119
02:30:18,280 --> 02:30:21,000
up in Georgia on the other side of Atlanta. For

3120
02:30:21,079 --> 02:30:22,639
the past eleven years myself.

3121
02:30:22,760 --> 02:30:29,079
Speaker 2: So mm hmmm, a firm I see, I see you

3122
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:34,200
wearing white. You know, we used to go out with

3123
02:30:34,280 --> 02:30:36,639
the Israelites wearing all white and mobile.

3124
02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, say all night, like four in the morning. That

3125
02:30:43,360 --> 02:30:46,840
was a powerful time. So they were very powerful. Yeah, man, Yeah,

3126
02:30:47,879 --> 02:30:49,479
that was a great time. Man. You just took the

3127
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:50,879
prisoner guy down that place.

3128
02:30:51,079 --> 02:30:54,159
Speaker 2: We had some wild experiences, didn't we here we did.

3129
02:30:54,799 --> 02:31:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did love you, brother man. Good to see you, brother.

3130
02:31:00,360 --> 02:31:00,920
We'll talk soon.

3131
02:31:02,559 --> 02:31:10,920
Speaker 2: Good to see you brother, alright, Salon. Yeah, that's a

3132
02:31:10,959 --> 02:31:11,600
precious brother.

3133
02:31:11,719 --> 02:31:11,879
Speaker 3: Man.

3134
02:31:12,799 --> 02:31:15,040
Speaker 2: He followed me out there when I went downtown. He saidhen,

3135
02:31:15,040 --> 02:31:18,600
you feel like you had to do something. And watching

3136
02:31:18,639 --> 02:31:21,920
all those Israelite videos and people preaching downtown, which a

3137
02:31:21,959 --> 02:31:24,840
lot of people do in film now, like he was

3138
02:31:24,879 --> 02:31:27,000
out there with us, and he was at he was

3139
02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:30,719
out of all the Bible studies and still still doing it.

3140
02:31:30,760 --> 02:31:35,239
Speaker 1: It's a sweet, precious brother. I love. That was weird.

3141
02:31:35,360 --> 02:31:38,799
Speaker 2: Like my name is Furman, Furman Jackson Junr. I never

3142
02:31:38,840 --> 02:31:41,280
met nobody near Furman always just a peticular.

3143
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:46,959
Speaker 1: I haven't met one yet, not him, you know, people, Yeah,

3144
02:31:48,639 --> 02:31:53,920
Furman Jackson Elo wish is the third. He never checked me,

3145
02:31:54,079 --> 02:31:56,799
and he just like, yeah, that's what that's me. He

3146
02:31:56,840 --> 02:31:58,680
didn't want to talk about the good and cut by

3147
02:31:58,760 --> 02:32:00,920
demon thing. He was like said, oh yeah, that was

3148
02:32:00,959 --> 02:32:03,840
a long time. He remembered, though, Yeah, the job is

3149
02:32:03,879 --> 02:32:07,040
memory that time my head got cut. Remember that time

3150
02:32:07,079 --> 02:32:09,120
you got cut, he said, talking about you know he

3151
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:12,120
was at the church service. A demon cuts you. Oh yeah,

3152
02:32:13,479 --> 02:32:19,200
that was bad, horrible. It was good time, a good time.

3153
02:32:20,159 --> 02:32:22,600
It was a good time. It's not good good to

3154
02:32:22,639 --> 02:32:26,000
get cut by cutting folks, he said. Yeah, when they leave,

3155
02:32:26,040 --> 02:32:30,399
they fly by, and the switch blading sticky mm hmm,

3156
02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:36,079
cutting everybody. We're all bleeding out, like Tyler, Tyler creedy,

3157
02:32:36,120 --> 02:32:40,840
got y'all sticky, pimped down. Yeah, And that is officially

3158
02:32:40,920 --> 02:32:41,799
the end of the podcast.

3159
02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:44,079
Speaker 2: That was some good That was some good, good stories

3160
02:32:44,120 --> 02:32:47,319
we got to share. But these etheric beings and UFOs

3161
02:32:47,360 --> 02:32:51,959
and that's right, and blue beings beings coming on and.

3162
02:32:52,040 --> 02:32:54,440
Speaker 1: White people know it's people in white got to make

3163
02:32:54,479 --> 02:32:55,360
that clear. That's people.

3164
02:32:55,440 --> 02:32:57,639
Speaker 2: One, you were definitely afraid of white people when you

3165
02:32:57,719 --> 02:33:00,479
were little, and so you had that reoccurring dream of

3166
02:33:00,520 --> 02:33:03,799
white people following you. I don't know about that Wade

3167
02:33:03,879 --> 02:33:10,840
Dimmers and Jean Duffy, I say, but you know, being

3168
02:33:10,879 --> 02:33:13,079
a skeptic man, I like to be a skeptic, like

3169
02:33:13,200 --> 02:33:14,319
the thing like, what was that?

3170
02:33:14,440 --> 02:33:16,319
Speaker 1: Okay, you just saw drones? Is what you saw? It

3171
02:33:16,440 --> 02:33:18,079
was drones could be maybe we have.

3172
02:33:18,200 --> 02:33:22,079
Speaker 2: No idea, but and so I have and I have.

3173
02:33:22,760 --> 02:33:26,239
You know, my one of my first experiences was waking

3174
02:33:26,360 --> 02:33:30,120
up at you know, two in the morning whatever. I

3175
02:33:30,120 --> 02:33:31,639
don't know what time it was, but I was I

3176
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:33,959
was a little kid, I was like four years old,

3177
02:33:34,440 --> 02:33:36,920
and I wake up with beings pinning me down to

3178
02:33:37,040 --> 02:33:39,559
my bed in my room, and I can feel them

3179
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:43,360
on top of me, like these shadows and they felt

3180
02:33:43,440 --> 02:33:45,799
like I don't know if they were referry or what

3181
02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:47,280
is weights holding me down?

3182
02:33:47,360 --> 02:33:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking. I could see see them, but I couldn't move.

3183
02:33:50,399 --> 02:33:52,840
Speaker 2: I was in like sleep paralysis. And I don't know

3184
02:33:52,920 --> 02:33:56,120
if I was too scared to move or I couldn't move,

3185
02:33:56,200 --> 02:33:57,760
or if I was just too scared because I wanted

3186
02:33:57,840 --> 02:33:59,479
I didn't want them to know that I was up

3187
02:33:59,639 --> 02:34:00,200
or something like.

3188
02:34:00,319 --> 02:34:02,760
Speaker 1: That's what I felt, like, What the heck is this

3189
02:34:02,879 --> 02:34:04,719
a little kid like four years old?

3190
02:34:05,040 --> 02:34:07,360
Speaker 2: But I remember it, and I feel like that set

3191
02:34:07,440 --> 02:34:11,120
me on this trajectory of like, you know, I always say, like,

3192
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:15,079
what movies we rented when I was a teenager.

3193
02:34:15,000 --> 02:34:16,600
Speaker 1: You know, what ghost stories we told?

3194
02:34:16,719 --> 02:34:19,079
Speaker 2: And I would find ways to weave that in and

3195
02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:22,280
say and ask, like, you know, around campfires with your

3196
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:25,200
cousins and stuff, like anybody ever had this happen? And

3197
02:34:25,479 --> 02:34:28,239
eventually people say, yeah, yeah, my dad had it. And

3198
02:34:28,319 --> 02:34:30,040
then I heard about hear about the hat man. This

3199
02:34:30,200 --> 02:34:33,399
was back in the early nineties. Oh yeah, there's a

3200
02:34:33,479 --> 02:34:35,000
guy in a hat that used to come in my

3201
02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:37,399
room and he'd come in there, and I was like,

3202
02:34:37,840 --> 02:34:40,840
I'd never heard of that. That's different than just these

3203
02:34:40,920 --> 02:34:43,479
little shadows. But come to find out now that was

3204
02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:47,680
a phenomena that was happening to people. Some being that's

3205
02:34:47,719 --> 02:34:49,600
trying to dress up and pretend to be a human

3206
02:34:50,440 --> 02:34:53,399
wearing a hat and a trench coat, you know. And

3207
02:34:53,479 --> 02:34:55,719
so I feel like it set me on a trajectory

3208
02:34:55,879 --> 02:34:58,959
to be who I am today. This experience at four.

3209
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:03,360
But I like to toy with the idea because it's easy.

3210
02:35:03,479 --> 02:35:04,639
Speaker 1: I wrote about it in my book.

3211
02:35:05,600 --> 02:35:08,479
Speaker 2: It's easy to say, Okay, these were demons that came

3212
02:35:08,559 --> 02:35:11,799
to me and and they were scary. They were blacker

3213
02:35:11,879 --> 02:35:13,799
than the darkness of night, and they were trying to

3214
02:35:13,799 --> 02:35:15,520
suffocate me or whatever you try to put in it.

3215
02:35:16,719 --> 02:35:19,719
What if it wasn't like what what like what if

3216
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:22,200
it was just my pillows stacked up on Could I

3217
02:35:22,280 --> 02:35:23,479
sleep with my pillows over me?

3218
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:23,760
Speaker 1: Now?

3219
02:35:23,959 --> 02:35:26,239
Speaker 2: Kind of because of that experience, Like I put my

3220
02:35:26,319 --> 02:35:29,680
pillows on side of me now, Like, like, what if

3221
02:35:29,719 --> 02:35:30,959
you saw a vision of the future.

3222
02:35:31,799 --> 02:35:33,280
Speaker 1: What if I was four and I saw.

3223
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:36,719
Speaker 2: A vision of me being forty, you know, with my pillows.

3224
02:35:37,559 --> 02:35:39,360
What if that was my wife on one side and

3225
02:35:39,440 --> 02:35:41,959
my dog who's very heavy? Like what what if it

3226
02:35:42,040 --> 02:35:45,600
was a premonition? It's this what if that I think

3227
02:35:45,639 --> 02:35:48,399
it's healthy to go back versus being locked into that

3228
02:35:48,479 --> 02:35:50,360
Hey there's these demons things.

3229
02:35:50,200 --> 02:35:52,879
Speaker 1: That's bad because I was afraid that get on you. Yeah.

3230
02:35:54,120 --> 02:35:56,319
Speaker 2: I did this one podcast and I was just just

3231
02:35:56,399 --> 02:35:58,680
going through the what ifs with a dude, and it's like,

3232
02:35:59,639 --> 02:36:03,360
what if what if that? What if I was four

3233
02:36:04,680 --> 02:36:07,280
and what if I my mom and dad left the

3234
02:36:07,360 --> 02:36:12,360
window open on accident and there was a known pedophile

3235
02:36:12,440 --> 02:36:15,719
that lived next door, And what if he came through

3236
02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:20,120
the window and messed with me and caused trauma and

3237
02:36:20,159 --> 02:36:22,639
I was in shock and couldn't move and I made

3238
02:36:22,719 --> 02:36:26,879
up this story because of the man, Like what if

3239
02:36:26,879 --> 02:36:28,520
I talked to my mom one day and tell her

3240
02:36:28,559 --> 02:36:30,920
the story, said, oh, yeah, because you're too young to

3241
02:36:31,000 --> 02:36:34,920
even interpret any anything that was going on. It's like, oh, yeah,

3242
02:36:34,959 --> 02:36:37,399
there was that man who ended up going to jail.

3243
02:36:37,479 --> 02:36:41,079
He was molesting all the kids on the street and

3244
02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:44,000
uh and we pressed charges and it was you know,

3245
02:36:44,120 --> 02:36:46,159
you were one of the kids, and we didn't We

3246
02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:48,639
never talked about it, like it was like what if?

3247
02:36:48,719 --> 02:36:49,719
Speaker 1: What if? You don't know?

3248
02:36:50,360 --> 02:36:53,959
Speaker 2: So this idea of like being locked into your beliefs,

3249
02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:57,399
of being locked into your interpretation of the of the

3250
02:36:57,520 --> 02:36:59,959
sheet that you put on the thing on your trauma,

3251
02:37:01,239 --> 02:37:03,520
like it showed up as two demons, what if it

3252
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:06,040
showed up as some creepy dude that climbed through the window.

3253
02:37:06,840 --> 02:37:10,440
Like it's a probably not, but it's it's fun to

3254
02:37:10,520 --> 02:37:12,159
ask the question and say.

3255
02:37:12,040 --> 02:37:12,879
Speaker 1: What if you know?

3256
02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's healthy to have skepticism and investigate,

3257
02:37:19,120 --> 02:37:20,680
but when you know, you know, I think too.

3258
02:37:22,879 --> 02:37:24,959
Speaker 2: And then I'm four, like what do you know? I

3259
02:37:25,000 --> 02:37:27,479
didn't know anything when I was twenty four that I

3260
02:37:27,520 --> 02:37:30,040
thought I knew and thirty four.

3261
02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:34,920
Speaker 3: And uh so, yeah, but he knows he saw him

3262
02:37:34,920 --> 02:37:37,760
as a child, the white cloaked beings and then asked

3263
02:37:37,760 --> 02:37:39,079
for conversation, but he.

3264
02:37:41,639 --> 02:37:46,040
Speaker 1: No, he believes. You believe you saw something. You don't

3265
02:37:46,079 --> 02:37:49,479
know what they are. What I'm saying, right, I don't

3266
02:37:49,559 --> 02:37:52,959
view it through a lens of fear, though, like there

3267
02:37:53,000 --> 02:37:54,760
are some I guess I was kind of going back

3268
02:37:54,760 --> 02:37:57,200
to the point, like you can do things like, oh, well,

3269
02:37:57,440 --> 02:38:00,200
it may be afraid, so therefore it must be demonic, right,

3270
02:38:00,639 --> 02:38:04,319
And we attached negative connotations to it just because we

3271
02:38:04,440 --> 02:38:08,200
don't know, and we let the unknown cause fear. And

3272
02:38:08,360 --> 02:38:11,159
I don't know. I always thought they were angelic beings

3273
02:38:11,239 --> 02:38:15,040
maybe or people watching over me. Yeah. I don't know

3274
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:17,719
exactly what they are. I couldn't tell you the deep meaning,

3275
02:38:18,200 --> 02:38:21,239
but I know that I found comfort in them being there. Yeah,

3276
02:38:21,239 --> 02:38:24,479
and I know that, you know, it was always something

3277
02:38:24,559 --> 02:38:28,360
I saw in the light, not in the darkness. So

3278
02:38:28,520 --> 02:38:30,280
like the only time I saw one at night was

3279
02:38:31,159 --> 02:38:34,399
my headlights were on him, so he was in the light.

3280
02:38:35,040 --> 02:38:36,440
So I feel like you're seeing the movie.

3281
02:38:36,479 --> 02:38:39,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that movie, Like at the end of the Knowing,

3282
02:38:40,079 --> 02:38:43,920
remember those dudes, I feel like they were. There were

3283
02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:45,440
like some eloheem type beings.

3284
02:38:45,479 --> 02:38:47,840
Speaker 1: They were pretty pretty creepy in the movie, but then

3285
02:38:47,879 --> 02:38:49,159
at the end you realized that they were.

3286
02:38:49,680 --> 02:38:52,120
Speaker 2: They opened their mouth and like lights came out their

3287
02:38:52,280 --> 02:38:52,959
mouths and stuff.

3288
02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were creepy. They were kind of painted up

3289
02:38:54,959 --> 02:38:57,000
to be creepy throughout the movie. But in the movie

3290
02:38:57,239 --> 02:38:59,879
they served like a bigger purpose, right, it's that salvation

3291
02:39:00,040 --> 02:39:00,920
of mankind or whatever.

3292
02:39:02,040 --> 02:39:04,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I know it showed did it show aliens

3293
02:39:04,959 --> 02:39:05,600
at some point?

3294
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:07,680
Speaker 1: I can't remember. It's been a long time since I've

3295
02:39:07,680 --> 02:39:10,280
seen that was a dope movie, was all in it

3296
02:39:10,319 --> 02:39:13,879
and stuff. Yeah, yea, but yeah, there was these white people.

3297
02:39:14,040 --> 02:39:15,920
Speaker 2: I feel like they were wearing white. Maybe they weren't,

3298
02:39:15,959 --> 02:39:20,639
but they had white hair, pale skin. But uh yeah,

3299
02:39:20,760 --> 02:39:26,440
it's the you know, it's being okay to not know

3300
02:39:27,239 --> 02:39:32,360
and and to have an idea or a belief, but

3301
02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:34,239
to say we know because we know, that's what religion

3302
02:39:34,680 --> 02:39:37,399
did to us and messed us up and caused us

3303
02:39:37,440 --> 02:39:40,559
to you know, allowed us. It was a catalyst for

3304
02:39:40,680 --> 02:39:41,840
us to mess up a lot of people.

3305
02:39:42,159 --> 02:39:43,920
Speaker 1: You don't have that sheet to cast over it and

3306
02:39:44,000 --> 02:39:45,440
you can't see it, then you need to be afraid

3307
02:39:45,479 --> 02:39:49,360
of it. That's kind of what you know, what religion

3308
02:39:49,399 --> 02:39:52,200
teach us us, or at least can is. It can

3309
02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:54,120
have that effect. Like, Okay, it's not in the book,

3310
02:39:54,799 --> 02:39:59,879
it's not in our our, our codified theology. Then it's

3311
02:40:00,520 --> 02:40:04,760
of the devil because God is not the author of confusion. Brother,

3312
02:40:05,399 --> 02:40:08,360
you know, I was like, I don't know, but he.

3313
02:40:08,520 --> 02:40:13,280
Speaker 2: Is whoever whoever is in Genesis nineteen, I think it is,

3314
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:18,479
or maybe it's whoever built it, whoever destroyed the tawer

3315
02:40:18,520 --> 02:40:22,079
of Babbel is whatever God did, that is the author

3316
02:40:22,159 --> 02:40:26,319
of confusion, right confound, that's right confused.

3317
02:40:26,520 --> 02:40:30,559
Speaker 1: He's there's lots of there's lots of things that he

3318
02:40:30,639 --> 02:40:32,719
does that in the scripture say that is the ways

3319
02:40:32,760 --> 02:40:36,920
are not our ways, and you know who can know

3320
02:40:37,040 --> 02:40:42,239
it and things like that, So not me, thank pretend

3321
02:40:42,280 --> 02:40:45,040
I do. I have no idea, right, no idea right now.

3322
02:40:45,159 --> 02:40:48,399
The biggest, the biggest journey is to know thyself. And

3323
02:40:48,520 --> 02:40:50,520
I tell everybody that it's like, you know, at the

3324
02:40:50,639 --> 02:40:52,239
end of the day, when you draw your last breath,

3325
02:40:54,520 --> 02:40:56,639
the only person you're gonna have there with you, that's guaranteed,

3326
02:40:56,639 --> 02:40:59,879
it's gonna be there with you and people like wealth.

3327
02:41:00,479 --> 02:41:02,079
And I tell people all the time, the most important

3328
02:41:02,079 --> 02:41:04,120
relationship you're going to have in your life in this

3329
02:41:04,280 --> 02:41:07,920
world is that with yourself. And people say, well, the

3330
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:10,079
one with the Lord. I was like, okay, I get that,

3331
02:41:10,879 --> 02:41:15,760
but where is the lord? But how are you? Yes, exactly,

3332
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:19,520
that's a good point. But in you it comes to

3333
02:41:19,639 --> 02:41:24,959
that looking within right and if the Lord is unknowable,

3334
02:41:25,159 --> 02:41:27,200
I'm just kind of trying to make it simple as

3335
02:41:27,280 --> 02:41:29,920
I can. No one knows you better than you. If

3336
02:41:29,959 --> 02:41:31,959
you ever run into somebody you're like, I know you

3337
02:41:32,079 --> 02:41:35,600
better than you know yourself. No, No, you don't. You

3338
02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:39,799
might see things I don't see, or I'm like, well,

3339
02:41:39,840 --> 02:41:41,799
you know, I've had people tell me that. My ex

3340
02:41:41,879 --> 02:41:44,159
wife told me that. Yeah, and she would tell me

3341
02:41:44,239 --> 02:41:47,079
that whenever we were having an argument and she was

3342
02:41:47,120 --> 02:41:50,559
trying to elevate herself to a position where I needed

3343
02:41:50,600 --> 02:41:52,799
to listen to her over than what I knew about myself.

3344
02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:56,000
And people that tell you that, it's like, you don't

3345
02:41:56,000 --> 02:41:59,200
even know yourself, you know, so don't pretend you know

3346
02:41:59,360 --> 02:42:01,399
me better than I. I mean, now I might turn

3347
02:42:01,479 --> 02:42:03,799
a blind eye to things that you see. It's not

3348
02:42:03,959 --> 02:42:09,280
the same thing I still know that I'm yes messing

3349
02:42:09,360 --> 02:42:11,360
up or whatever right we like to We like to

3350
02:42:11,719 --> 02:42:14,000
turn a blind eye to things, but that doesn't mean

3351
02:42:14,040 --> 02:42:17,399
that we don't know ourselves. And so at the end

3352
02:42:17,399 --> 02:42:19,559
of the day, you can, you can and will know

3353
02:42:19,639 --> 02:42:23,079
more about yourself than you know about God the Father

3354
02:42:24,879 --> 02:42:31,719
because of how and I don't want to say unknowable

3355
02:42:31,760 --> 02:42:34,440
he is, but how infinite he is, you know. So

3356
02:42:36,000 --> 02:42:36,479
that's good.

3357
02:42:38,840 --> 02:42:42,079
Speaker 2: And then there were more questions, do you have a

3358
02:42:42,159 --> 02:42:45,680
retreat coming up? Yeah, because that experience that I have

3359
02:42:46,760 --> 02:42:47,600
it was that a retreat.

3360
02:42:48,600 --> 02:42:52,000
Speaker 3: We do have a retreat coming up. It's in June,

3361
02:42:52,159 --> 02:42:56,360
June twelfth through the fifteenth at Mount Shasta, which is

3362
02:42:56,399 --> 02:43:02,319
an amazing vortex of energy, a full nature all around

3363
02:43:03,200 --> 02:43:05,520
Castle Condor, where we're going to be staying with our

3364
02:43:05,559 --> 02:43:08,959
friend Krin. We're going to be talking to the birds

3365
02:43:09,040 --> 02:43:12,639
and the trees and each other with some sound, healing,

3366
02:43:12,840 --> 02:43:17,319
some cacao. It's going to be a magical time. And

3367
02:43:17,440 --> 02:43:20,360
tickets are on sale for a few more days at

3368
02:43:20,399 --> 02:43:23,639
Seer Dot School. They're still going to be on sale

3369
02:43:23,680 --> 02:43:25,440
after that, but the price will be a little bit

3370
02:43:25,479 --> 02:43:27,200
more so if you want to get them, if you're

3371
02:43:27,239 --> 02:43:29,280
called to it. Now's the time.

3372
02:43:30,360 --> 02:43:34,479
Speaker 2: Up, UFOs up top Mount Shasta. It's the fire, Travel

3373
02:43:34,600 --> 02:43:39,680
down and save us. Do you know that they're from

3374
02:43:39,760 --> 02:43:47,200
Afro from Nobody knows nobody knows me better than I know.

3375
02:43:47,319 --> 02:43:53,079
Speaker 1: Me exactly thyself. UFOs travel down and save us from disaster.

3376
02:43:53,680 --> 02:43:54,000
That's it.

3377
02:43:54,879 --> 02:43:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, guys, thanks for hanging out on the web,

3378
02:43:57,719 --> 02:43:58,920
on the website, on the podcast.

3379
02:43:59,440 --> 02:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Uh you can't.

3380
02:44:00,159 --> 02:44:02,280
Speaker 2: You want to plug man, and people want to follow you,

3381
02:44:02,479 --> 02:44:04,440
like I like this, dude, man, let me follow him.

3382
02:44:04,520 --> 02:44:07,559
Speaker 1: Let me I do have a website. I do have

3383
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:09,959
a website. Reggie but R E G G y H

3384
02:44:10,200 --> 02:44:14,120
E B e r T dot com. Herbert Reggie Herbert

3385
02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:20,120
A Derrek rossco Roscoe. How you doing? How you doing?

3386
02:44:20,200 --> 02:44:23,840
He got pray but I'm playing. Yeah. It's kind of

3387
02:44:24,159 --> 02:44:25,959
just a blog site and so a lot of a

3388
02:44:26,040 --> 02:44:28,760
lot of stuff I talk about is I think when

3389
02:44:28,760 --> 02:44:32,959
I started the site it was kind of like I

3390
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:34,840
think I called it becoming a king or something. You

3391
02:44:34,959 --> 02:44:37,719
doing those coffee coffee shorts that I used to I

3392
02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:40,920
used to do this. Yeah, I might pick him back up.

3393
02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:44,280
One of the things I kind of recently have been

3394
02:44:44,360 --> 02:44:47,719
trying to do is bring higher vibrations and I'm trying

3395
02:44:47,719 --> 02:44:50,559
to stay away from negative, but sometimes you know, you

3396
02:44:50,959 --> 02:44:53,399
kind of mixed the two. You got to balance them out. Yeah.

3397
02:44:53,680 --> 02:44:57,000
So the so the website that is kind of like

3398
02:44:57,079 --> 02:44:58,680
a blog, and I just kind of put some things

3399
02:44:58,719 --> 02:45:01,399
on there and sometimes it just real short and just

3400
02:45:02,079 --> 02:45:05,079
something simple to contemplate. And I'm not saying I'm always right,

3401
02:45:05,399 --> 02:45:10,000
but to astrology like thinking about stars more philosophy. Really,

3402
02:45:11,000 --> 02:45:13,520
I'll leave the astrology up to those that are good

3403
02:45:13,559 --> 02:45:18,920
at that. I think I am. I think we all are.

3404
02:45:19,040 --> 02:45:19,520
Just don't know it.

3405
02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:22,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the story of Jesus, you know astrology.

3406
02:45:23,559 --> 02:45:30,360
Oh facts, Happy Easter everyone. I know this is probably

3407
02:45:30,399 --> 02:45:32,639
going to be out. I don't know when, like around Easter,

3408
02:45:32,760 --> 02:45:35,479
probably right after or on Easter, Like maybe you're like

3409
02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:37,600
driving home. This would be good for people in their

3410
02:45:37,680 --> 02:45:39,639
drive home for Easter because you listen to this.

3411
02:45:39,959 --> 02:45:41,479
Speaker 1: I'll listened to it on my way back to.

3412
02:45:44,399 --> 02:45:47,079
Speaker 3: Marry You better get to editing, Mary.

3413
02:45:47,159 --> 02:45:47,600
Speaker 1: It's a lot.

3414
02:45:47,680 --> 02:45:49,959
Speaker 3: It's a lot of editor there's a lot of betans.

3415
02:45:51,200 --> 02:45:52,680
Speaker 1: We give you a lot of content, dude.

3416
02:45:52,760 --> 02:45:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Rock and more than Marrier man.

3417
02:45:58,680 --> 02:46:01,239
Speaker 1: See it's good to see him though. There wasn't hear

3418
02:46:01,319 --> 02:46:04,440
that voice? A man a man? Yeah, playing with the

3419
02:46:04,920 --> 02:46:10,799
good time, good time. Yeah, cut me. Yeah. Check out

3420
02:46:10,840 --> 02:46:16,479
Reggie's web website. Check out our website. And happy Easter everyone,

3421
02:46:16,600 --> 02:46:22,360
Happy Easter, Happy Easter, at least not that happy passover happy. Yeah,

3422
02:46:22,639 --> 02:46:26,319
Merry Christmas Quantica. That's it, Happy Christmas quatica. The things

3423
02:46:27,559 --> 02:46:30,559
how that one goes? Right? Yeah, it's Star there you

3424
02:46:30,639 --> 02:46:32,239
go it star Star. Yeah.

3425
02:46:33,559 --> 02:46:36,159
Speaker 2: We are hiding East Star eggs tomorrow, all right, but

3426
02:46:36,280 --> 02:46:37,000
you guess what's in them?

3427
02:46:37,000 --> 02:46:41,520
Speaker 1: It's not yoke chocolate money. Oh that's even better for

3428
02:46:41,639 --> 02:46:43,239
the kid. They don't know yet. We're trying to keep

3429
02:46:43,280 --> 02:46:46,120
it a secrets to say, gonna finds. Just Reggie got

3430
02:46:46,159 --> 02:46:49,760
out on them basket and I'm gonna bring that money back,

3431
02:46:49,799 --> 02:46:53,159
say he goes Terry pay bills. Oh man, Lord, blessing

3432
02:46:55,440 --> 02:46:56,399
fire on your life.

3433
02:46:57,239 --> 02:47:00,399
Speaker 3: Great what you sew? So we're selling money right until the.

3434
02:47:00,520 --> 02:47:03,479
Speaker 1: Ritual has brought you much increase.

3435
02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:05,319
Speaker 2: Today, I definitely have. I'm here today because of a

3436
02:47:05,479 --> 02:47:08,760
fertility ritual in my parents before in nineteen eighty four,

3437
02:47:09,159 --> 02:47:10,600
there you go, or nineteen.

3438
02:47:10,280 --> 02:47:13,719
Speaker 1: Eighty, nineteen eighty four or sometime before before. Yeah, because

3439
02:47:13,760 --> 02:47:16,520
I'm in January. Baby, there you go. Love you guys. Peace.

3440
02:47:17,239 --> 02:47:21,399
Speaker 2: Soalon, Hey, thank you so much for watching this episode.

3441
02:47:21,559 --> 02:47:23,920
I hope you enjoyed. I want you to know that

3442
02:47:24,079 --> 02:47:27,280
there is a video right here that you can You

3443
02:47:27,319 --> 02:47:28,840
can watch a video right by me.

3444
02:47:29,000 --> 02:47:29,639
Speaker 1: Click this now.

3445
02:47:30,280 --> 02:47:32,920
Speaker 3: No, don't click his video, click my video. His video

3446
02:47:33,000 --> 02:47:36,120
is probably about demons and dark stuff. Anyways, mine's probably

3447
02:47:36,120 --> 02:47:37,920
about angels and awesome stuff.

3448
02:47:38,639 --> 02:47:42,280
Speaker 1: She has a point. So you decide the demon or

3449
02:47:42,360 --> 02:47:43,879
the angel. Where do you go with