WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.200 First of all, and here we go is the one 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:07.280 that's in hands original. Well, there's another question, can we 3 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:09.640 acquire something? Should we go to the sixth floor and 4 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:12.560 get their copy? Hey, look, there's a lot of arguments 5 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:16.039 and discussions here. The fact that the US government didn't 6 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:21.839 seize the copyright is still a mind a shaker to me. 7 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:23.399 It makes me scratch my head. 8 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:27.000 But anyway, Ken, go ahead and tell me about what 9 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:30.960 is wrong with the mantic thing, because Mantic he's, like 10 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:33.119 I said, I even invited him to come on next week, 11 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:35.759 and he's definitely seeming to get a lot of people's 12 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:39.000 attention at this point. But I got to say, I'm 13 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:40.840 not sure what he's got to work with here. I 14 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:43.560 haven't gone through it all with him yet, but I 15 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:46.920 will and see where we go. What are your thoughts 16 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.759 and what is it that you see? Ultimately, go ahead 17 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:51.520 and be as complex as you want, but I think 18 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:56.320 those simple points are very important because anybody can wrap 19 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:59.560 their minds around those two things I said. Pulling frames 20 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.079 out of that film, if you know about pulling frames 21 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:03.119 out of a film. 22 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:05.439 Does not create the effect people think it does. 23 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:11.480 And even at eighteen point three frames per seconds. 24 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:16.359 Not under these circumstances, right exactly, that's the other consideration. 25 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:18.879 But see, now we got to get into technicalities. How 26 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:21.959 many frames were shot per second exactly? You know what 27 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.439 cover distance is there between the two frames. There is 28 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:29.439 movement in between the frames too, you know, obviously, So 29 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.159 there's a lot of things to consider here. But the 30 00:01:32.200 --> 00:01:34.680 blackening of the head can be explained, the shadows can 31 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:35.280 be explained. 32 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:36.799 And this whole. 33 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:39.120 Removing frames to get rid of the stop removed it 34 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:44.239 is beyond ridiculous. It doesn't do what they say it does. 35 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:47.280 Those are my two simple points. What are your go 36 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:50.239 ahead and hit us with the complex one. 37 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:52.959 Okay, so. 38 00:01:55.959 --> 00:02:00.879 Well for the work thoughts that they claim, is I 39 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:05.879 guess a inspertion or that is superposed? 40 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:08.199 I would say a. 41 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:12.199 Lot of that stuff comes from the NPI. On one 42 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:16.360 of it, the MPI did have access to the original film. 43 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:22.240 They took several photos with a BSR and it came 44 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:25.599 out on a DHS. 45 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:31.719 Which DHS the resolutions for eighty moderns are seven twenty. 46 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:38.599 So just to say like it's yeah, and I would 47 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:43.560 say the original film is a very dark film as 48 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:47.919 the MPI versions post. However, if you take stuff that 49 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:51.319 golden has which I've seen. I've handled all of his 50 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.400 original films. I know what he has and what he 51 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:57.919 does not have, and what has contributed to him that 52 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:01.759 he has. I can attest he does not have because 53 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:03.360 I've handled all of. 54 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:04.560 His original stuff. 55 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.680 And I have his inventory at home, Like, I know 56 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:11.199 exactly what he has and what he does have. 57 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:17.599 But I would say it's just certain things I've scanned 58 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:23.159 from him. Indicates that the dark spot on the head 59 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:24.960 is not one shade. 60 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:27.879 It is several different bades. 61 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:32.919 There are bighter spots and darker spots, which seems to 62 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:37.360 show me that it's not well obviously, it's not a 63 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:41.479 consistent spade, which means they didn't just take a barker 64 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.120 or they cut out something that was dark. It's inconsistent, 65 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:51.840 which to be shows that it's more consistent with by 66 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.800 shadow like normal films are. It's basically all tight and shadow, 67 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:05.479 and so it's it's not a two dimensional thing that 68 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:07.000 people are thinking. 69 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:07.159 That it is. 70 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:09.520 See now there's a key point. 71 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:11.800 I want you to elaborate on that just a bit, 72 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.199 because there's a key point there. The blackened out portion 73 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:19.560 to the naked untrained eye and in the condition that 74 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.040 you are viewing the film, you watching it online or 75 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.360 taking a look at the NPI home video or even 76 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:30.600 the McMillan disc right. Uh, these versions that you see 77 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:36.199 are not exact as far as the information that can 78 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:41.879 be drawn, okay, from the original contact print of this thing. 79 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.959 You can get dimension okay, you can get a lot 80 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.839 of measurements from that film, even though it's not in 81 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:51.680 three dimensions. It's a two dimensional image, yes, but you 82 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:57.040 can get three dimensional information from the film exact, okay, 83 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:02.959 But not these flat, pixelated things that everybody is studying 84 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.759 at this point. I'm sorry, you're not going to get 85 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:08.160 the same information. I'm not saying you're not gonna get 86 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:11.600 any but you're not gonna get the same information. And 87 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:13.720 that's the thing about this darkened part of the head. 88 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:16.720 It does look like somebody just took like a freaking 89 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.399 marker and you know, colored it in real world, but 90 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.120 that's the way it appears to you because of the 91 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.800 version you're looking at. That's a key thing, right or 92 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:27.560 do you disagree? 93 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.160 Yeah? Oh, I I a hun. 94 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:34.160 That way. 95 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.720 And on top of it, I can find. 96 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:42.519 Other films of not just of of Kennedy. 97 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:47.879 But other home video or home film where. 98 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:50.879 You can see this exact same thing. It's not just 99 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:56.160 in the Cruder film. It's in just normal everyday, household 100 00:05:56.319 --> 00:06:02.800 home films, which I I a few, and I'm more 101 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:05.839 than positive you can see the exact thing in punch 102 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:06.160 of them. 103 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:09.600 Well you can see the exact but yeah, you can 104 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:16.000 see the exact type of artifact that occurs in reproduction, right, and. 105 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:17.480 Yeah, we can see these times. 106 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:19.519 That's why I said, if you observe films that have 107 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:22.639 nothing to do with the assassination that are made with 108 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:28.079 the same type of camera, things you see similar exactly. 109 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:32.160 They're similar, very similar to this effect that is in 110 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:34.279 the in the Zubruterer film. 111 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:34.639 Uh. 112 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.480 And it is something you know, somebody could be filming their. 113 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:40.959 Kids, uh and you'll see, you know, the blackening out 114 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:45.240 of somebody's head if you have certain conditions, the cameras 115 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.279 a certain distance away, whatever. But either way you can 116 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.240 still draw information from this. Now, I don't know how 117 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:54.120 to explain this part of it, because again it's not 118 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:58.120 my my area of expertise. But I've seen this done 119 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:02.160 where you could literally create the measurements to know what 120 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.879 the dimensions are of the things that are on the 121 00:07:04.879 --> 00:07:07.920 film to give you. I mean, you could get JFK's 122 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:12.279 hat size from the Zuppruter film if you know how 123 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.319 to measure it. Okay, what I'm saying is you will 124 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:20.399 literally create the correct measurements for everything in that film. 125 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:24.160 If somebody starts to alter this with any of the 126 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:29.879 technology that is even still available today, you will find 127 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.639 problems where it is not perfectly smooth. You can separate 128 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:37.759 those elements with the right types of measurements because the 129 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:40.199 real world measurements, even though the three D models are 130 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:45.600 getting better, we still today cutting edge wise. Best special 131 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:51.120 effects do not have the perfect solutions for creating the 132 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:56.480 correct scales all the time. It is difficult to get 133 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.680 the scales correct. And somebody who has a rush job 134 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:02.839 because back to the possession of the film real quick 135 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:06.480 and help me out. See the thing is that week 136 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:10.480 is not even close to a week because that film 137 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:15.879 needs to travel. Okay, from Dallas to Chicago, that's one thing. 138 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:17.879 Let's just say they got a quick flight out and 139 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:21.360 they were able to take that physical film to somewhere 140 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:25.279 else really fast. Okay, you have travel time, you have 141 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:27.600 the time for the work that needs to be done. 142 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:29.920 Then you have the time to set up the magazine 143 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:33.080 and actually print the damn thing and everything else. This 144 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:36.120 winds up shaving off on both ends. You're starting to 145 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:39.519 burn the candle at both ends on that week, and 146 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:44.720 really it reduces it down to possibly three days. 147 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:49.120 Is you also have to not only know how to 148 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:51.919 change the film, but you need. 149 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:53.639 To do what to change. 150 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:59.679 Yes, so somebody would need to watch this thing, figure 151 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:04.840 out what needs to be altered. Literally create the storyboard, 152 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:06.639 if you will. This is the way we need it 153 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:09.759 to go, and it would need to get done, and 154 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:12.200 I'm telling you it just it's not the kind of 155 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:15.960 thing that can be done this quickly. I argue that 156 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:19.600 there is not enough time to do the work or 157 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:23.960 the technology available. So I think from all directions, you 158 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:26.559 have something that's going to fall apart. Maybe some things 159 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:29.120 are more severe than others. Like I said, you could 160 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:31.639 give into the idea that maybe there was Hollywood magic 161 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:35.679 that we still don't know existed, that the CIA did 162 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.840 know existed, And I believe that. I believe that probably 163 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:44.000 Hawkeye Works had you know, technologies that Hollywood maybe wouldn't 164 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:47.759 get until you know, until they invented it for Star Wars. 165 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:48.840 Maybe they had it. 166 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:54.240 But even with that, they still would not have been 167 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:56.559 able to accomplish This is what I'm saying. 168 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:58.480 It makes it very. 169 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:02.240 Hard to believe, very very hard to believe just from 170 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.440 a you know, can you actually do this? 171 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:08.480 You know, can you bend the spoon? Neo? You know? 172 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:10.720 And most people really cannot? 173 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.720 Is it possible? Sure, everything is, but it doesn't mean 174 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:21.799 that it's remotely reasonable to assume that it got done. 175 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.480 And I got to tell you, even with Okay, Dino 176 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:27.240 Brizioni and all these things, I mean in general, what 177 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.879 do you think is the biggest point to make about 178 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:31.879 this regarding what Mantick is saying? 179 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:33.000 Because I haven't. 180 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.399 Even fully gone over his stuff lately, but I know 181 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.799 a lot of people are really talking about okay, But 182 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:41.639 what do you think is the biggest point to make 183 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:46.080 here that should put a stop to this? Really of like, listen, 184 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:49.200 you know, let's move on to something where this energy 185 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.960 could be a whole lot more useful somewhere else. What 186 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:53.639 do you think would be the key thing to tell 187 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:56.039 people like, look, this is the reason why you got 188 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:57.759 to let this go. What do you think? 189 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:02.919 Well, I think. 190 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:10.000 That's actually a really good question. I would say the 191 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:13.039 burden of evidence is on those that are claiming it's 192 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:18.200 not real, and they just have not re created what 193 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:23.000 they say that the Cilo or whoever wigget. 194 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:25.960 Man they have doing it did. 195 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:31.120 I mean, if you can do it in say twenty 196 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:34.799 twenty five using film and do it the same. 197 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:38.360 Way, then they have an argument. 198 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:43.360 But they never produced it using film, So anything that 199 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.519 they pay is just them claiming it. They but the 200 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:48.960 burden of proof is on them and they just don't 201 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:52.039 have it. They have claims, they have no proof of 202 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:53.679 eating claims. 203 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:54.679 And this is the trouble. 204 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.279 Yeah, this is the trouble I would say with all 205 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.720 of the mythology, which, by the way, Ken and I 206 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:04.240 are going to work together on the live JFK Myths 207 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:08.039 presentation at Lancer, Okay, and he's going to present a 208 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.000 portion that has nothing. 209 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:10.399 To do with mine. 210 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:13.080 And we're gonna do this together like we do on 211 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:15.440 the show when we do a Myths episode. Okay, I 212 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:18.200 invited Carmine. I don't think Carmine's going to join us, 213 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.840 but that's okay. I don't think we're gonna have time 214 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:23.919 between me and Ken getting at the two different angles 215 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:25.039 that we're going to go after here. 216 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:26.919 But the thing is this. 217 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:29.759 I would say that overall, this is the way to 218 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:33.440 kind of slap a label on this bin, that we 219 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.440 need to put all this in. Okay, And it is 220 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:39.120 as follows, and it should apply to many of these 221 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:42.639 things when it comes to these extraordinary claims, okay, and 222 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:46.240 that's what I call them, the extraordinary claim section. 223 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:46.919 Okay. 224 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:52.840 If you are going to make extraordinary claims, you're going 225 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:58.519 to require extraordinary evidence to back it. And the more 226 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:06.200 the more extraordinary your claims are, the more extraordinary your 227 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:08.399 evidence is going to have to be. And that's not 228 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:12.440 going to be a speculation, because I could speculate one 229 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.679 hundred different ways about this, as I've always said. You know, 230 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:17.879 they were arguing again, by the way, last night. The 231 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:19.480 other thing that cracked me up. I didn't even bring 232 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:22.480 it up is the uh, you know, the shooter from 233 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:27.720 the storm drain. Okay, oh Jesus, And they literally were 234 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:30.039 still going, well, it's possible, you know, to go And 235 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:34.080 I'm like, guys, guys, firing a gun from inside of 236 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:40.039 a sewer drape is probably the dumbest thing that anybody's 237 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:42.200 ever thought of. I get it. It works in the 238 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:45.519 video games. I get it works in the Hollywood movie. 239 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:47.480 But even if you were. 240 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.120 To try and aim a pistol from the street level 241 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:53.399 up to where JFK is in the car, you know, 242 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:56.000 first of all, there's no way you're hitting Connolly that way. Okay, 243 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.279 I'm telling you that now, no way in hell. But secondly, 244 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:03.480 imagine trying to get that shot done that you see 245 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.200 on these films with a pistol even Okay, and they 246 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.799 probably wouldn't use a pistol, but let's just imagine, because 247 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:12.200 it would at least be compact and you could stick 248 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:12.759 it out of a. 249 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:13.600 Great in order to aim it. 250 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:19.000 At least okay, fitting a person down there, getting a 251 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.720 gun down there, and actually being able to pull that off. 252 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:23.960 I mean, look, I know a lot of. 253 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.679 People love the anti Oakley story of the drivers shooting 254 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:29.799 them for many years because that's what he'd have to do. 255 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:33.399 He'd have to spin around pow below the president's head 256 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:34.600 off with a trick shot. 257 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.879 Yeah, this is not everyone, This is not the. 258 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.960 Way things are done. Okay, this is not real life. Okay, 259 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.440 it's not a John Wick movie. I'm sorry, trust me. 260 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.840 I have crawled in enough storm drains doing inspections over 261 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:52.759 the past forty years there's no way in hell you're 262 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.000 going to get in one and maneuver with a rifle, 263 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:59.679 possibly with a pistol, right, but you still don't have 264 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:03.440 a shot with the great in place. And once you 265 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.279 let that shot go, whoever standing next to a storm 266 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:09.919 drained that is connected to those pipes is going to 267 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.320 hear it because you're gonna have an echo through those 268 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.720 pipe system. That's another thing. Even if you get in 269 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.919 the storm drain, how are you get now? Because I 270 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.080 guarantee you the pipe system wasn't big enough for somebody 271 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:23.360 to traverse with a weapon. 272 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.679 Right, So I've said all along, the only way to 273 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.159 involve the storm drain in the equation is not that 274 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:33.639 area where you can enter it near that manhole. 275 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:35.240 Okay, that's just stupid. 276 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:38.759 It's just it's not real world. It's it's not three 277 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.919 D reality. It just isn't. The only way to involve 278 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:43.960 the storm drain is if you were to place a 279 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:48.159 shooter near a storm drain which is much nearer the bridge. 280 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:50.519 Although they have moved the fence because a lot of 281 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:52.879 people say, oh, it's behind the fence or what. Yeah, 282 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.440 they've moved the fence Okay over the years. So if 283 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:58.600 you put the fence back in nineteen sixty. 284 00:15:58.360 --> 00:15:59.840 Three years I needed about. 285 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:05.679 Yes, But either way it changes a few things. Okay, 286 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:10.120 the point is about forget about the fence even. Let's 287 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:13.480 just say the only way you could utilize the storm 288 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.039 drain is if somebody was standing by it. 289 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.080 Okay, that storm drain. 290 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:22.120 Over more toward the direction of the bridge, Okay, and 291 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.960 somebody took a shot from the front and then disappeared 292 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:27.759 into that storm drain to hide. 293 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:34.200 Yeah, that's a possibility. Now, Look, you. 294 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:36.240 Can put together a bunch of different pieces of evidence 295 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:39.039 and find a way to make that work. But to 296 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:43.080 try and get somebody shooting from the great on the 297 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:44.320 street level. 298 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.000 To Kennedy is just ludicrous. 299 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.960 I don't care which version of the men who killed 300 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:54.000 Kennedy you've seen or whatever else. It is a ludicrous 301 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.000 assertion that you could pull off that kind of shot 302 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:00.799 on a moving car, no matter how slow it was moving. 303 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:08.079 Okay, from that storm drained. Great. It's just not doable, folks. 304 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:11.279 Okay, I know everybody saw it and you're impressed with 305 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.000 you know, the clown in there and whatnot, But I'm 306 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:16.880 telling you now that clown could not even pull off 307 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:21.079 the pistol or the rifle or whatever else to pop 308 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.480 JFK in the head from the street level. 309 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.480 It's just not doable, you know. 310 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:29.920 So I don't know why that's still being discussed, but 311 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.519 it's still being discussed. Ken So again, if you're going 312 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:37.920 to make extraordinary claims, you're going to require extraordinary evidence 313 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:43.279 to even get somebody to entertain these things. If they're 314 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:47.240 thinking critically, most people are not. They're looking for the 315 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:52.920 extraordinary explanation because obviously the official story doesn't quite line up. 316 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.519 But I'm sorry to say when people are bringing out 317 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:01.119 things that make less sense than the official story, you know, 318 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.000 this is kind of where I started on the case 319 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.079 to begin with. I saw crazy claims and said, you 320 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.160 know what, all of these conspiracy theorists must be wrong, 321 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.720 and the official story is probably right. That's the way 322 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:17.440 I started as a teenager. Now, over time I actually 323 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.519 saw evidence and worked with things. I guess what came 324 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.160 over to the other side. But I still don't have 325 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.519 the absolute certainty on this, and nor does anyone else 326 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.759 that I know of that is reasonable and doesn't leak 327 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:34.960 to a lot of extraordinary conclusions without that extraordinary evidence 328 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:39.039 to back their extraordinary claims, and that's what I think 329 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:40.119 the overall problem is. 330 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:40.359 Ken. 331 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.160 But we're going to be at the you know, at 332 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:47.079 the Fairmont Hotel there in Dallas, Okay, from the twenty 333 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.240 first to the twenty third of November, and it will 334 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:52.720 be at the Lancer conference and by the bye, just 335 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.480 for you guys listening, if you want ten percent off, 336 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:58.759 Ocelly ten is a code you can give when you 337 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:05.559 go to Assassination Conference dot com. Okay, Assassination Conference dot com. 338 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:08.559 Whether you want to attend it virtually or in person, 339 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:11.960 you can go there and sign up and get your 340 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.839 tickets and ten percent off with the code O Kelly ten. 341 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:16.759 Okay. 342 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:17.640 So there you go. 343 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:21.000 There's an ad or a plug if you will, Ken. 344 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:24.160 But I'll shut up now and uh, you know, say. 345 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:25.640 Whatever it is you want to say. And I'm gonna 346 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:27.920 check the phone lines because I got a feeling more 347 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:29.200 people might have called in by now. 348 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:29.799 Let's see. 349 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:34.119 Yeah, I just have one sort thing that I want 350 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:38.799 to say. So somebody he asked about if the Robert 351 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:41.920 has the startan film, that's. 352 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:45.160 That hair Wiser haves. 353 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:48.559 Okay, yeah, that was Jamie. 354 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:53.839 Okay, are you talking about the warning rooms or the 355 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:54.319 other one. 356 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:57.160 Okay, I can actually put Jimmy on the line with 357 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.200 you because he's still on hold, if you want, and 358 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.799 he can ask the question directly about that film. 359 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:07.519 Hold on, Jimmy. 360 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:10.680 Uh, you're on with Ken and now you can ask 361 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:13.079 him directly about that Martin film if you like, because 362 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:14.279 he's been in Croden's collection. 363 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:17.640 Go ahead, I heard tired. 364 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.559 Uh the film was tom oh yes, all of his 365 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.640 part and part of the film. Uh, this is young 366 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:31.480 Johnny Martin from Minnesota that was in with general. 367 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:34.160 Uh Walker Edwin Walker. 368 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:42.519 Yeah, yeah with this well it is Big Cat Club 369 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:43.079 or whatever. 370 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:43.680 He had. 371 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:50.559 The civil Air for Troy Diggle for whatever reason. 372 00:20:52.480 --> 00:21:03.240 Yeah, I'm young, kay, So but go ahead. 373 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:05.880 I'm sorry, Jimmy, did you I don't think we got 374 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:07.000 a full question though. 375 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.880 What was your question about it? Yeah? Sorry, film, go ahead, Jimmy. 376 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:16.920 Question. 377 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:20.359 No, I thought he had a question for me about it. 378 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:34.240 No, yeah, no, I will say rob original. I mean 379 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.279 I know exactly what he has and what he doesn't have, 380 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:41.599 and I will say this on the there here he 381 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:44.720 does not have the original. Another person actually asked me 382 00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.720 about it and I went through history. 383 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:48.880 He does not have it. 384 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:53.160 Uh, he'll Weisberg and him were very close friends. Hill 385 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:58.680 Weisberg was the guy uh father to one of his children. 386 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:01.640 So I don't think he have taking it from him. 387 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:05.640 And I mean I would even say, you're saying about 388 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:08.759 the autopsy photos he does not have on my handle 389 00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.279 where he has the original items he has and they. 390 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:13.599 Are not the original. 391 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.319 Of photos, not even the same format that they were 392 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:23.400 fought on. And no, he does not have the big film. 393 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.759 I wish he had it, but he doesn't have it. 394 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:29.079 He does have. 395 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.799 Uncopies of it, one of which he made, I believe 396 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:38.920 in nineteen seventy three he made a copy. I believe 397 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:43.960 it's a internegative from the original film. He did handle 398 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:48.759 these Pruter film on two separate occasions, and in seventy 399 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.440 three as well he made an in negative from it. 400 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.920 The other internegative he has of these, the Crudi film, 401 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:58.599