Speaker 1: Hello, Lais and gentleman, Welcome back to and Or Season
two reviews, Episodes seven to nine. I'm the one you
can trust tonight. Trust now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: That sounds so central. I'm She's a rebel spy.
Speaker 1: That's a luth and love novel right there, and saw
girls go ahead.
Speaker 3: Taylor the Taylor Masker, Taylor Field the.
Speaker 1: Tailor, Jesus Christ, the Taylor Massacre. I don't know, does
that mean you are performing the masker or someone's massacre.
Speaker 2: Is the part of it? Because a Taylor and the
Taylor Massacre, Well.
Speaker 1: I guess. But when they call the Gorman masker, that
means they all died. So I think this means all
the people named Taylor died.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the massacre, damn, that's that's what Taylor calls what
massa comes to remember, it's down all his posters. The
Taylor Masker happens. Yeah, happens every week if he gets
too loud. But ladies and gentlemen, yes, we are here
to talk about sat very sadly the penultimate episode of
and Or because next week the last three episodes and
uh oh, and then we're back demand and Grogu and
fucking Boba fen the Yeah, some people you do this like,
I'm not spoiling my thoughts, but just like man, like
what we're gonna go back to in a couple of months,
or like the man wearing Grogu movie. That's a topic
for another.
Speaker 2: T Is there Boba coming back? Like what's this?
Speaker 1: I'm sure he is. I'm sure Daves like, oh, I
just love him and you know he's so fun and
he he just adds something special Star Wars. Yeah, okay, whatever,
but here we are gonna talk about and or uh yeah,
episode seven to nine, non spoiler Taylor, your non spoiled thoughts,
and obviously we'll give our thoughts and then we'll give
you a little warning and then we'll get into spoilers us.
So for some reason, if you are delaying and can't
watch all episodes, we're just giving you our high level thoughts, Taylor,
give it to us. Yeah, the one who I can
trust tonight.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, holy smokes, this was this was firing on
all cylinders. I have to first come full full terms
here and apologize because I had thought I had a come.
Speaker 1: Full so I can't do that anymore.
Speaker 3: I thought that there was something that happened that was
just kind of skipped over in the last arc. But
my timelines definitely got mixed up because you know, you
got one massacre, you got another massacre. They got massakers
left right and centerta target.
Speaker 1: That happened tonight they skipped over.
Speaker 3: Right, yes, but that was the Tarkan massacre. So I
meane just everyone's massacres.
Speaker 1: Really in comparison, I feel like it's quite small to
compare to this what they told last week of like,
oh yeah, there's dozens of people talking land on to like,
you know, genocide is a you know, you gotta I
guess I'll look at the definition of what a massacre is.
I feel like one is not the other, but continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's just this arc it did such a great
job at just fueling the the the room, which is.
Speaker 2: Escalation, and it just felt uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: I mean as if you were you know what's going
to be going down and what's coming.
Speaker 2: But it's just.
Speaker 3: These three arcs were just like, wow, there are just escalation.
Speaker 2: What what do you got?
Speaker 1: Why out of all people did you put bail on
the thumbnail? Out of all people? I just feel like
there's so many feo that had highlights and something bail
are Gona has a highlights you know, yeah, minor sports,
his big speeches. I hand it off like that.
Speaker 2: Without without him, we would have got bail or gone on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jimmy Smiths, I understand. I want to give him
to get on the spotlight.
Speaker 3: Give him a spotlight. Yea. But yeah, there there is
just a lot of a lot of build up in
this third arc, and I'm very happy with where we
kind of conclude and where we end on this arc.
It was just I feel like we covered a lot
of ground and things like I said, it's my word
then escalated a Galatian and I could really tell in
the third episode here of this.
Speaker 2: Arc they were really.
Speaker 3: I think they were trying to do something that kind
of paralleled or maybe rival I'm not sure what the
right word would be to the speech that they gave
on Faryx. What was her name, adoptive mom? Yeah, yes,
I can't remember her name. But I felt like this
was that the third episode was definitely rival rivalry whatever, rivalry.
Speaker 1: Just fuck me, it's on par just.
Speaker 3: Say it on parts on Park.
Speaker 2: You uh so? Uh yeah.
Speaker 3: I just think that we we were really treated well
with these three episodes, and I'm excited to see what
the next three are going to entail with this. But yeah,
there was there was some really juicy stuff going on,
and I liked how some of the stuff was just
it feels like it's much more tying into Rogue one,
and I feel like there's certain things when you know,
I love Rogue one. It's one of my favorites, and
when you just watch this arc, I felt like, Okay,
they're really stoking certain things with Cassian's character that at
least I feel are a little bit more evident in
Rogue one. And as to like why he does some
things and chooses to do certain things.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just he gets a Delta shitty hand. But
all in all, there's one thing too I want to
I'm excited to talk about with you guys and break
down because it's just it's it was an interesting little
concept of a character that they threw in there, and
they didn't have to put this person in there too.
I don't know, maybe add more to Cassian's story, maybe
just to make it sound like, oh, it has more
to do with his fate in Rogue one. I don't know,
but I just thought it was cool, not necessarily this
person's kind of revelations, but more so just the their
like job and what there rebellion kind of has these
people doing without spoiling too much.
Speaker 2: So I'll leave it there.
Speaker 1: Before Kirklam goes, I'll say I was wrong about massacre.
A masaker is an event of killing people who are
not engaged in hostilities or are defenseless. Is generally used
describe targeted of killing civilians in mass by armed group
or person. Uh So, the word is the word is
a loan of a French word term for butchery slash carnage.
So it doesn't really matter the amount of people just
has to be a group. And what do you think,
what do you think a group is? How many? How
many people doesn't need to be in.
Speaker 2: A group four?
Speaker 1: Three, three or four a group of three or more. So, literally,
someone could masacer us. We're a group of we could
be the geek for his massacre.
Speaker 2: You know, I hope I'm not a part of a
headline that is.
Speaker 1: Villian's gonna come in and we're gonna be like it's over,
I'm gonna kill us, and then all that twenty five
percent comes on and then every you know, Kyle's back,
Jessica back, you know, fucking Connor's gonna be hosting this.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, so yeah, my turn to go, goddamn,
is this show ever peak Star Wars content? Man? I like,
I feel like, through watching the season, I'm like, Okay,
where's this gonna lie in comparison to like my top
tier echelon of Star Wars. I feel like Empire will
always be my favorite Star Wars just project, like like
cinema wise, just moving picture wise, just a lot of
nostalgia for the film, and I just feel like it
really tipped off my love of Star Wars, like specifically,
like it probably was Episode four in hindsight, but I
feel like episode five was really just like, yeah, this
is this is my Star Wars here, and like I
know it'll probably always be my number one, but goddamn,
is this show like making me think that it could
it could honestly be up there or like tied for
just best Star Wars content. And it's insane because, like
you know, spoiler free, there's not really any Jedis or
anything like in this project. So it's just crazy that
a show that doesn't have the classic you know, force
wielding lightsaber samurai people like that. The normal big projects
would have that like probably got me just interested in
the like in Star Wars in general way back as
a kid. But this is just I think, like the
storytelling and the character stuff is just it's so on
another level and it's definitely not a show I would
have appreciated, like being a younger, like like when I
first jumped into Star Wars, like I probably wouldn't have
even gripped onto this like I do now because it
is just so much more mature. But it just feels, Yeah,
it just feels like perfect storytelling and to put it
in a Star Wars world on like I always thought,
like I don't know, the Rebel stuff is is awesome,
but it was never just like my my, what I
like of the most out of Star Wars in general,
And like this show is just making me think otherwise
and really feeling like man Cassian and Or is like
actually one of the greatest like persons in the whole rebellion,
Like like like, what what are the key figure members
that like should be up right up there with the
likes of you know, Lea.
Speaker 1: It'sn Solo. It'sn Solo who showed up for like a
day and a half of work and he gets the
fucking know mon Mathma's up there, No Luthan know whoever
the guys that got who's just like, you can keep
coming back here, you gonna decide if you're with us.
Speaker 3: They had a metal for Cassian, but he died, so
they scratched out the name and here you go, Hans Solo.
Speaker 1: You get the just reused that's on the gage at
that he didn't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, but like it's it's seriously up there. I
I feel like I'm just I'm so amazed, I'm so
upset that it's like coming to an end here. I
think I have mixed feelings with these like triple like
these burst fire of episode releases. I love consuming them
because it's just more content. Like in a row, I
can basically get three hours of some of the best
Star Wars things I've ever seen in my life every
Tuesday in these last couple of weeks, which is just amazing.
But I can really see like these little year jumps,
these could literally be full seasons. Like like I like,
you know, maybe it gets diluted a little bit and
like you have some sleeper episodes where they're not quite
all ten and tens in my eyes, like you know, spoiler.
I feel like these last three have been that for me,
but like they really could have just done so much
more covering of bases. But that being said, this is
still just so well done. And I'm just loving these
year jumps and just kind of seeing different glimpses on
where we are in the progression, you know, to the
big Battle of Yavin. So yeah, I don't know. I
don't want to keep talking because I just want to
get into spoil. But god, damn man, like everyone who
says Star Wars is like done and like, oh Disney
is just like ruining Star Wars, like if they don't watch,
and or like shut the fuck up and go watch,
and or like this this is peak Star Wars content here,
and uh yeah, it's so so well made. I'm very
very impressed by the writers. The creators I never noticed,
but like, is the creator and the writer are they brothers?
Speaker 1: I think so I would imagine show let me get
dan in.
Speaker 2: Or like husbands or something. I don't know. I just
didn't notice their names at all until the credits were rolling.
Shouts out to everyone that was a part of this
because it just it just feels like it's in a
different realm of place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, that makes so much sense too. I like,
I think I've kind of forgot about this, but I
forgot like this guy. He directed Dan Gilroy. He directed Nightcrawler,
which is one of my favorite movies. Like, yeah, that's
a fucking outstanding movie. Wasn't as great buzz Saw, but
uh yeah, No, He's had an interesting career. He wrote
Real Steel Born, Legacy, Nightcrawler, Kong Skull Island, and Velvet
Buzzsaw and then hand Or That's again there's other stuff too,
but just what we talk about that's like. And that's
why you can to me and never write anything out
because as someone that does not like Kong Skull Island
to be like, that's gonna be the guy that writes,
you know, as a part of writing, these three would
never never guessed it, you know. So that's why people
can be Swiss Army Knights when they want to, you know.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, the last thing I'll say is there's a
specific action sequence in here, and honestly, it felt like
to the quality of like a recent HBO show, like
like a battle sequence, like it didn't look cheap at all,
and that's been something that I feel like, I don't know,
just because I love Star Wars, like I kind of
look past a lot of that stuff in certain certain sequences.
Not all of it looks terrible, but this seriously looked
to that HBO quality of just all the moving pieces.
I feel like this show, it's kind of the first
time I really felt the fear of like blasters and
like the intensity of what they could be, like just
in like a firefight.
Speaker 1: Like it's just fucking droids too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, absolutely, so man, there, I can't believe
this is this is not what we're green lighting, you know,
like this type of Star Wars content going forward. Yeah
hashtag sa V and or I know we're at the
end of the story so we can't really keep going
on with this forever. But just this type of content
creation for Star Wars world is just it's it's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where maybe it'll walk away till next year.
And I'm in a scary situation, right because no one's
perfect and there's been tons of issues, Like the podcast
is turning ten years old, and that's when we got
Force Wakens, right and there's a scary thing that we've
had such a bumpy row and so many issues, and
we've talked about this person as a big problem before
as far as like, uh, need to go change of leadership.
But I'm wondering in like five years from now, when
whether it's fucking Folon or whoever takes over and we
get nothing like this ever again, and we oh, you
know what, maybe we were too harsh on Kathleen Kennedy
the thanos, like, perhaps I judge you too harshly because
and maybe wrong. I hope that the next versa takes
over at least if not all of Star Wars is this.
Of course, there is still shows where it's like, oh
it meets that where again I hate to be that
guy I think of Flony gets like if he gets present,
You're not gonna see stuff like this ever again. You're
just gonna see a saw as Venture shows and Ahsoka shows.
It's gonna be like Boba, yeah, like because the rumor
is he doesn't think this is Star Wars. And for me,
this is where I can get that. Even in this episode,
a character says a minor sports is the word shit right,
And I've been here before. Where I've talked about like
what I think fits as Star Wars and what doesn't
fit as Star Wars. And this episode we'm gonna go
about probably three things that you know, at various times
I've said I'm wrong on, but that I'm very much
wrong on. I think now after something like this, and
there's other things, I think this show, the show that
Star Wars has to evolve because a couple of weeks ago,
I think in episode one, I'm like, oh, you know what,
all Star Wars could not be this because it's families
and franchises and you know, of course I don't think
it should all be this, but if you're to tell
me it's kind of like an all or nothing situation,
I would say, you know what, it's just time for
Star Wars to evolve. And maybe we're gonna lose some
people along the way, some families, some kids, but if
it can be this quality, maybe it's worth it. Now. Again,
I guarantee you next year they're gonna put out from
some fucking slot with them saving job with the Hot Sun.
It's gonna make a billion dollars. Then we're fucked. Then
we're just fucked because like no one watches and Or,
but everyone watched Uh what's the Jaba's son's name, Taylor? Yeah,
everyone loved wrote to the hot team of girl gu
So fuck yeah. Right, So that's why I'm just gonna
be happy, Like what, it's really good?
Speaker 2: What if you really like it?
Speaker 1: I hopefully and I hope that's the case, right, because
there's something where for me. I wasn't on the reviews,
but I very much like Skeleton. I don't think it's
a ten ten, but it's like a nine or higher.
I think to me, that's what Star Wars. You're looking at.
The family scope should probably look at as far as, hey,
we're bringing new things from Star Wars, but old things
and a good max. But at the same time, I
look at when we talk about the best of the best,
like and everyone still talks about right, everyone has their opinions.
But the movie that changed the combook genre was The
Dark Knight, right, And that's very much like and Or
where it took it. Yeah, begins, but that took it
way seriously and elevated and took it to a new level.
And you still had many times. But again I guess
it wasn't knowing, right, I'm just hoping that this is
the dark Knight where the Star Wars leadership looks at
this even it's someone of like Filonia. He goes, maybe
I don't respond to this type of Star Wars, but
there has to be a variety out there, and there's
things in here. I go usually, yeah, I wouldn't like
that in my Star Wars, but this show makes it work.
And this thing I'm not like walked back. But I
think I've said many times the podcasts that prequels aren't
for me. And there's definitely some good ones, right, Like
we've talked about the apes before, like those are good movies.
There's other ones we've talked about sporadically over the years.
But I still like, probably could make a less Maybe
it's longer now because we have so much content, but
as far as a great, outstanding prequels, I could be
confident saying maybe there's just ten and the rest are
all like good to fine. And you know, I know, Taylor,
I saw you the other day, you wearing the shirt,
but uh, to drop my gimmick. The example of Solo
being like, oh, here, use this gun? Are you alone?
Solo to this where it's like I know everything that's
gonna happen with Gorman. I know everything that's gonna happen
with Mam Mathma. These scenes where and Or's being chased
by stormtroopers or droids, I know, in a whatever, a
year from now whatever, he's gonna be sitting on a
beach with Gin and they're gonna die in the sun. Right,
But it doesn't matter, because this show is so fucking
good that you forget that all and you get locked in.
It's the point're like, man, and it's not gonna make it. Man,
Mom's not gonna make it. Like all this stuff. They
take things that are just literal Star Wars lore of
like oh yeah, mom, Mafma turned and she became a
rebel spy or whatever it is, right, they make that
the most gripping Star Wars you've ever seen in your lifetime,
which shouldn't happen because we know the second Ander was announced,
we know that story, but it is all the journey
and this is like the best example. This is some
not even just Star Wars, just some of the best
TV I've seen period. The all three episodes are great,
but episode uh, what would be eight in a good way?
Some of the most horrific stuff I've seen, and there's
not even tons of blood. There's not gore. It's just
the vibe, the attention, the score, the actors, the claus
or phobia of it all. They just hit like a
Grand Slam is like under selling it. So I'm gonna
take the time and just enjoy this. And sure, I hope, yeah,
I enjoy Manilar and Grogu, but it's not gonna be this.
Like I like, I really hope that we can get
something like this again in the future, and if not,
I'm just gonna be like, well, I'm very thankful we
got this, because I do worry the route we could
go because even like I like Sean Levy as a director,
but like, I'm not expecting, uh, you know, the guy
that made Real Steal and the Nice or what is
that fall guy to make this, you know. And again
I'm not saying that's the same as the MCU, same
as DZ. Not everything should be that. But I just
hope there is still a place for this type of
Star Wars because I'm the same as Kirkland where Empire
will always be up there. But it's very tough for
me not to defend and it's not. I guess it
won't be tough.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's like a college sweetheart versus the new love,
you know, where that's a person that maybe you fell
for and you know, maybe you lost your virginity too.
Maybe this first person you city loved all this stuff.
There's all these firsts, right, but then you meet someone
where you're like, oh, this person might be more match
for me and doesn't take anything. Maybe it's just kind
of a situation where I'll just say it's a one
A one B situation for different reasons. You know, it's
the same way like like the Batman versus their Dark Knight,
Like I have that as a one A one B
because I like them for different reasons. I think Dark
Knight's a better movie, but I think The Batman is
a better Batman movie, as dumb as that sounds. So,
but this is, yeah, I've never questioned Empire Strikes Back
because like, no, that's always been a umber one. I'm
not saying I'm putting it down right now, but this
episode really like gave run for my because even episode eight,
I feel like you could just watch it as a
short film, you know, change a few things or a
little context of just like, look at what happens to
a planet. And that's the thing too. It's like we'll
get in the spoilers, but I think this is a
very good episode for I get it. Some people don't
want their content to be political. Then I guess don't
watch these three episodes for sure, because this is very
much about like, hey, look what's right in front of
you and kind of wake the fuck up. Especially in
some countries in the world, it's just like all the
signs are there and then you don't see them until
it's kind of too late and the real bad shit
starts happen, or it's not bad until it affects you,
and then when it impacts you're like, how could you
not tell me it's well, you should have had your
eyes open. I think this show just does so much
as far as it's great Star Wars escapism, but it
is timely and political and meaningful and yeah, this is
this is like I would not have said that, and
or it might be my top ten shows. It might
be now you know, it's just kind of crazy, and
this is where this has helped me. I already had
this with season one, but I remember when they announced,
and or it's like what are we doing here? You know?
And I may love Rogue one, I understood, like okay,
billion all the people people really liked it, but it's like,
and I love Daga Luon, I've loved him ever since
I saw milk, but it's like, what are we doing here?
Like and or like all the money, all the things
you could do. And that's where it's like you can't
judge a book by its cover. And that's why whoever
takes over, I hope that's the case. And that's where
whatever people that want to praise it's not the weird
like alt right, like red wing I thumb, not those people,
but the people that have genuine problems with Kathleen Kenny
as far as leader, which we have too. Right, there's
so many annalysis, all this stuff, you gotta still think
about the good stuff. And this is something she greenlit,
especially because like someone like Tony Gilroy, whatever you want
to say about Rogue one, she made that move to
get him in there, and that led to this. So
that's where it's like, you can't talk about tons of stuff,
which I'm sure we will if she ever win or
if she ever steps down it's like there's still a
direct line from her to this show, you know. And
that's where it's like, it's it's a tough bag because
I think it's a it's a good way to go out,
almost on a high note. If she is like leaving
the rumors in August, because it's like, man, that's uh,
we got something special. There's tons of other people, including too,
but I just want to tell it. People when they go, yeah,
I gotta get her out of there, it's like, yeah,
of course I understand. But again, what if we're in
a situation in six years from now where we don't
get anything close to this and we're like, fuck, man,
maybe we should have just ate the Boba fet sandwich myself, right,
Maybe I shouldn't have complained about Boba Fet or like
the canceled movies and just like, well I got and
or so I'll take that like to me, like it's
it sounds bad, but like one end or could be
worth like six Star Wars movies if they're all kind
of man like, if they're all like Rise of Skywalker,
sorry Taylor Solo level, where it's like these are all fine,
but they're just like Cameo fodder or like, look at this,
it's Cat Baine, look at this, it's starf mall like,
and that's just what I wore. I said, wealth the
way till we get a present. I just I was
enjoying the show, but so fearful at the same time
of like, oh man, this might be it. This is
this be the stopping point? So I hope it's not,
and if not, we enjoyed because we got one more week.
But this was just damn good television. It's up there
for me of breaking Brad Breaking, Brad breaking bad, Sopranos
six feet Under, you know, early seasons of Deckster, like
the Cream of the Crop, band of Brothers, Like it's
up like you're mede that comparison. It's fucking HBO quality.
It really is. I've seen people and I probably said
it's like, oh, it's the best thing Disney plus is done.
Fuck it, like talk about best thing Disney has done,
like in general, like all their whole entire history catalog
of back toorway animation to now. I think I could
probably look at this, so maybe that's a cast do
a name, like what's the best ten Disney things of
all time? This to me, would have to be on
there somewhere. I know it's high or low, but like
it's it's just like, to me, an incredible feat what
they've done. And these three episodes were something really special.
And yeah, we were talking some of us with Brent
from a Marvel Alliance guess formerly Marvel Lines but always
still part of the family, where it's like, yeah, I'm
very excited for the season, but I don't think they
can beat that prison arc from last year. And for me,
they fucking did it somehow, you know, like and I
would have never thought that. And now that's like that's
already peaked Star Wars, and that's good. As long as
you can just get a little onner, that's good. And
even if it like for me, i'd have to watch
them back to back because I haven't seen the prison
one a while, maybe just met it, but still the
fact I even think that, Yeah, so I know I rambled,
but I had to because this uh what uh just
I want to pay it forward to know this was
a very special time and night in Stars there many
times I'm just sitting there like and I was getting
teared up in episode five, which again prequel. I know
how the are episode seven prequel. We know everything. We
know there's a fucking event called the Gorman Massacre. We
know anytime on this planet, what the history of this
planet is gonna be. And seeing the fall, it's like
Jesus Christ, so uh yeah, just outstanding.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna be feeling like Anakin in a couple
of years. Kathleen steps down and we're just like, what
have we done? Well? Why why do we ever complain?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll see this will be at wordin point
we'll be like, oh, you know, and like I said,
realize that too late. We're like fucking a certain character
in episode or a certain character in episode. We're like,
oh my god, I've made terrible mistakes, you know. But uh,
let's get into this. We're about to take ad break.
Make sure write that down to you because it's your
turn tonight. Uh, and then it will be right back
and we are back. So who do we want to talk?
Jesus Christ? I feel that, don't know. They just threw
up a picture of Ted Cyril there, so I guess
that's where we're going.
Speaker 2: Who it was until you just said it?
Speaker 1: What? I gotta tell the audios because people just for me.
How Jesus Christ, Like I didn't see Jesus Christ for
past April. Oh guess what's where? He didn't come back again?
He probably won't next year. Uh, neither will Cereal. I guess. Yeah,
let's start there. So we've we like we speculate a
little bit and like season one, but big time this season.
Right of, just all the dynamics, right of? Is dear
just playing him? Is he playing her? Does she really
love him? Is he gonna make a turn against her
to rank like higher up? Is he gonna realize he's
doing bad? Is she gonna realize? Are they gonna realize it? Together?
All this stuff and finally we get the answer here
where what a fucking great build up where you know
this you can just the city is awake and it's stern,
and you can just feel something's off and I can't like,
who is it? I've never I don't think I know
this guy's name. I don't know his name. Does anyone
can someone look up this guy's name? I'll pull yeah,
because I feel like I've never actually looked up to
see who this actor is. This like so many people
were great and or in this episode, right, so I
can't say it was his episode, but holy shit, he
was fantastic, just like being timid at the start to
do you got his name there?
Speaker 2: Kirkland, Kyle Saller, Kyle saw a L L E.
Speaker 1: R pluck fuck get him in some A twenty four stuff,
Marty call him up like QT for your foul movie.
This guy shows so many range of emotions to being
timid at the beginning to the great scene where I
can't remember, I'll do it a couple of times, but
the older man in the Gorman Rebellion when he throws
him against that wall and he just lays it down
of like, look at what's fucking going on? He didn't say,
just look what's going on? And Siia's like, no, no,
there's just rumors this and that, and he's just like
you don't, like, how do you not get? And it's
at that point you can tell Seria's just almost lying
to himself. But to see that kind of realization of
oh man, all the stuff that I've been told and
fed for now he's been on this planet for years,
maybe is untrue and maybe I was wrong. And what
I love is I know this is a weird connection.
I'll throw it one of you guys, but me and
the girls, we just watched the old one Kenobi show.
But it's the movie cut. I think it's called the
Patterson Cut. I highly recommend it because it takes out
tons of stuff. It's two point five hours. It was
a great watch. But I can't remember her name again.
Classic she was that girl in Game of Throne. She
was the viper's wife. Remembers she's the one like helps
Obi Wan and Lea.
Speaker 2: Oh what is her name?
Speaker 1: Yeah, either like whatever. She at one point says, because
she's an empire, like like spy rat, right, she's working
with the good people. But she even says in the
show or the you know, the movie that I watched,
now she's like, I joined what I thought was the
right reasons, but I, you know, figured out it wasn't
the case, and now I'm doing good And that show
that's just a throwaway, easy line of like how do
we explain this by Oh, well, I thought was something
else and here we go. And that's what I love
about Zero is we've seen him do some bad stuff.
We've seen him help the back guys. Even last week
we talked about man, he got all that info and
fed it to him. But even then, you, to me
saw obviously hence the picture. We didn't see what else
what happen with zero, but you saw there is lines
for people where even this person was die hard to
the Empire finally realized, oh, this is there. This is
actually too far, This is actually what I would not
sign up for. Like I'm for my country, you know,
in this case situation, planet's galaxy, but like I'm for
my galaxy leader. All this until your boots on the ground,
and really and especially he's been living there for years, right,
so he's still seen this community, all this stuff. And
that's why I love like it showed, which I kind
of was not bummed that he died, but a little
bit because to me, it showed an actual believable situation
where it's like all the time, I think we always
just meet the Empire spy after they've turned, and we've
missed that. This was seeing someone and I gues said,
he didn't really turn, he didn't help anybody out, He
just stand their shell shock. But it was seeing that
revelation of oh man, I have been playing. And that's
why again I don't care. Fuck you can leave a
negative review and listen me in it things that are
political where all times where oh yeah I'm for this person,
Oh they're terror from the business I do. Oh this
fucking sucks. How this happened, Well, I guess you vote
from Oh yeah, I guess so eh. And that's where
it's like the same thing here where a cereal should
know all this stuff. But he was just kind of
blind in many sense. And I think his relationship with
Diirja got him there as well. But I thought that
was just fantastic to see. Man, you can get a
character that is pretty rowden to his core but still
realize there's like again a line of too far. And
I thought all this stuff and he was fantastic. Sink
there's more I have to say, but yeah, someone take
it from me.
Speaker 2: I It's interesting because I feel like a lot was
revealed about that character, specifically in that one episode which
led up to you know, his his his quick passing,
and I just I was so shocked by when it
just quick cuts to his just limp body like that.
But nonetheless, yeah, I don't know if he is a
rotten individual, you know, like like he's very damaged, like
like he definitely has terrible relationship with his mother that
like probably just gave him crippling anxiety for like his
entire life. He's been shown to like have OCD, which
is like a mental illness to an extent, And like
I just feel like he finds comfort in everything being
structured and like just just systematic. And I think that's
why he is so by the book and like seeks
comfort and just being that manager type role where like
making sure everything's because in his mind it's like you
get the quick shot of the fork that's like skewed away, right,
Like it just bugs him so much. So like that
is why he just naturally leans that way. But I
think in this episode it shows that like I thought
he was die hard for Dadra, I thought he was
die hard for for Sheeve, like just everything to do
with the with the empire, like from the first time
that we kind of meet him, even back in season one.
I feel like that's just how I felt about it,
but here and even and like I was always sus
on what his true goal was when he was talking
to like the Gorman whatever we call them, like defense force,
their their little mini rebellion, even before like Luthern's people
helps them out. Like I just couldn't read exactly what
he was doing, like if he's really trying to play
these people or trying to get more information or whatnot.
And now I actually know that, like he actually was
kind of like getting the point across of like hey,
like I'm actually not after you people, like I'm here
to bait in rebels, which is like, you know, enemy
to the structure of what the empire is, because in
his mind, the empire is just it's the proper way
to be like like there is rules, there's chain of command,
all these things that he kind of just seeks out
in like is normal life anyways. But getting that realization
that not only is his empire that he thought was
so perfect and like just this this really good system
is lying to everyone and like actually conniving and like
working in the shadows kind of like chaotically, which is
probably everything that he kind of stands against. And then
like you bring in just like the crimes against humanity
side of it, where there's just they're just going to
destroy this whole planet just to get to the resources,
and they're just gonna absolutely you know definition massacre or
genocide these people just to get what they want and
they have no problem of just lying straight to the
faces of even the people in the Empire, and to
hear that from Dadra, Like it's just I believed his
anger in that moment, Like he is angry, he's he's
he's so pissed off that he basically wasted years on
thinking that he's going towards a certain goal for the
betterment of the Empire. But like that's not exactly what's
happening like at all. So I was, Yeah, I was
so blown away by just the twist there. I was
a little bit like I don't know, I don't want
to say it's like a negative, but I was just
surprised by Dage's reaction. I think in those moments, I
just didn't expect her to be very uh caught off
guard by like I don't know, I just believed her
like puffing out the chest type of attitude throughout the
whole time that she's been in the show of like
I expected her to like just I don't know, like
Judo throw him or something, you know, Like like I
just feel like she is a weapon. But like here
it was revealed that like she's actually very vulnerable in
those moments, like she's terrified you know, we.
Speaker 1: Got her answer about how much she did really care
about him, right because she's still the end. That was crazy, Yeah,
and she because it felt like, you know, whoever that
guy park Ass or whatever his name is, it felt
like Kim and the crew part of Gas. Yeah, he
sounds like he should be friends of the sprat of Gas,
but part of Gas, like it sound like it was
very much like yeah, you know, like if you could,
like if Cyril makes it back, like oh, that's cool,
but like if he dies like whatever, Like they didn't
care right now, it doesn't matter. It's about the mission.
So she's still getting the heads up like pack be
ready to move and get here. And at first I
was worried. Even when he got to the gates, I'm like,
oh fuck, they're not gonna let him in and he
that's how he's gonna find out. But they still let
him in. I'm like, okay, like everything's going smooth, and
he hasn't like he get they put him in their
little zone there, and I thought for sure what was
gonna happen is he was just gonna be with those
droids and the people, and he was just gonna hear
the masaker because you could see once he had that
scene with that the older rebellion guy, like okay, he
is like even though he pushed him down, disgusted, you
can see cereals snap and like he's starting to figure out, like,
oh I am not in the right here, but I thought, okay,
he's gonna be lock that room. He's gonna hear it,
and that's gonna be the turn where he's like, Okay,
I'm not gonna do this anymore. And whether it's a speech,
whether he's a brat, whatever the situation, or a spy.
But even then he sneaks out, he gets right to Dedra,
they're like, goheah ill just close the door, and it's
kind of fine, Like obnestly, they've shown that they have
a romantic relationship, but they've still never kissed, like on
screen up until now. So it's kind of funny that
the episode starts with that, but then it ends with
him like their last physical interaction his him like choking
her out to get answers right, And yeah, we got
that answer because same thing she told him, the pack
to him to get there. When he was leaving, she
sent that guard like make sure he doesn't leave. So
whether it was selfish or not. She did. She did
end up caring about him and want him. She said, Oh,
we're gonna be heroes. You and me are gonna be
set for life when we get back, like all X,
Y and Z. And again that was the other thing
we talked about too, that he was very not obsessed
with I'll say, but one to know, like how how
long did you know? And she, you know, tiptoed around
it and then she just gave it all like, oh,
this has been a plan for years and there's like
a double thing where it is. That's bad. But I
also think with Dedra, he didn't think she'd even go that,
Like he would think that even if there was something
that bad, she would let him know. So it's like
a he got double betrayed. He got betrayed by his
political party that he's with, and then he got betrayed
by I would say, this person that's the love of
his life, because he was fucking obsessed with her in
season one, right and now they've been together for four
years now, three and a half something. They've been together
for almost a quarter or half a decade. So to
have that person lying to you and even then put
him in potential risk, right, because there's gonna be a
situation where she could have distracted him out of there,
and she knew that, hey, this planet could be taken
at some point, and what if it was a situation
where oh yeah, I couldn't send the sos and you're
just fucked. So he just went through a lot. That's
why I threw that whole battle. He's just standing there
the entire time, just shell shocked until he sees and or,
which we'll get to. But Tay, what were your thoughts
on the the formerly passed not formally, I guess freshly
passed zero.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's still kind of, I don't know, shocking
that just one of our main characters has kind of
died at this point. I mean, it's gonna come down
to that because most of these characters, they're not represented.
Speaker 2: Another stuff where he wrote I didn't see him in
Rogue one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Dedre, And we know Deidri and Luthern's next.
You know that whole time fucking Ander had that scope on.
Nidra was like fucking shoot. I was like do it, dude,
Like I just wanted so bad her brain to be
splattered everywhere, but hopefully that's coming next.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought Cyril was gonna be the one to
actually kill her. When he starts choking her, I thought,
holy fuck, like this is his world is rattled and
he's been compromised, and he's emotionally unstable.
Speaker 2: Just not going good for him.
Speaker 3: Uh, but I just got a kick out of it
when he snapped out of it. He still was not
feeling great, but he snapped out of it and stopped
choking her. When Deirdre was like straight from the Empire,
she pulled the old you know, I spoke with the
Emperor about this line, and he stopped choking her out,
So I thought that was kind of chuckle worthy. But yeah,
he's just he He's he definitely has grown up as
a character. And you made a good comparison there with
that that former imperial officer from the Obi Wan show
that saw how things started to change and just kind
of made that transition, and I felt like later on
we were gonna see that too. After we'll talk about
the Mond's speech. But when the driver was trying with
listen to the speech, and the driver was trying to
call into like ICBHQ, like like how are things going
They're just like, if you don't have anything to report,
just shut up, and he's like, okay, fine. I thought
he was gonna make like a U turn and this
is gonna be another person that listened to that and
kind of started to feel that change.
Speaker 1: This is the ICP. When he shut the fuck it
was just like the guy worrying about his job security
and it was like, don't go back unless you have anything,
and he's just sitting there like, oh my god, like
I'm a fucking idiot, which I feel like I can't
relate other than like the political stuff, can't relate to
any of the stuff in the show. But in that moment,
can We've all been there where you speak up at
work you're like, oh what about this like that, like okay, fuck,
I just I know I screwed up here. I'm sorry guys,
you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think that the at the end of
the day when he's just ignored the rumors and whatnot
and he's trying to tell the the resistance group on
Gore that like, oh, it's just it's all rumors, like
no mining ships are here, like they're starting to take
whatever's in the ground.
Speaker 2: There's a fleet whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ye add he's just ignoring it, still trying to
tell him like, yeah, we just need to pin this
on outside instigators, you know, just die hard to the
end on this this lie. So it's a yeah, it's
it's it's crazy, and ultimately it just sent him into
a frenzy where he just jumped after Cassian and this
I feel like this happened so quick because he was
standing there and all of a sudden he just tackles Cassium.
But he didn't know Cassian was gaming at at Deir Dra.
And he also, I don't think from thee with with
his with his his uh notorious a mindset and mentality
of being very structure based and focused and whatnot task oriented,
then I could maybe this is the kind of person
that would have recognized Cassian still even though it's been
years and years and years later, but I'm still not
sold necessarily on that. But he was dead set fixed
on him. So I think it's just such interpretation whether
or not he did know that Cassian was gonna shoot
a Deirdre or he did recognize Cassian either or works,
because they mean he just charged is at him and
ignores everyone else.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the only thing on this where it's like
it's funny for me to like because all that's so
high and for me, I don't know if this is
a negative to have like a question about it. I
don't know if I fully bought the moment where he
attacked Cassian. For me, it felt a little out of
place because I feel like this guy's very smart and
he'd put two and two together that Okay, we were
hunting casting down for x Y and Z. But this
this episode was like his revelation of like, oh, x
Y and Z were like I was wrong about that.
I was on the wrong side of history about that.
So for him still to be like fuck you, Like
I would have been fine if it was like maybe
a tag and they fought for a little bit then
he realized it and they did get there at the end, right,
because he could have shot and Or, and he says
the sites and not to so I do feel like
if that guy didn't shoot him, maybe Sierral would have
jumped on a bike with and Or and he would
have turned and done something. But he didn't get that chance.
And that's fine. Fuck zero, he's a piece of shit,
you know, Like he still helped that he helped what happened
here right this massacre, but so like it wasn't because
the fight scene so intense, it was so well shot,
so it was all that was great. I just didn't
know if I bought him that moment that why like
after like especially with what's going on right now, like
why he'd be attacking casting like that to murder him,
because then he's in no better sense than the other people.
I get it. They had this big rivalry and he
you know, probably killed one of his friends in season one.
I can't remember. I just didn't know if I completely
bought that, but I think they kind of took it
home with me for the uh uh, the moment at
the end there, but yeah, it was just it's something
I think I need to stew on a little bit more. So.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm happy that he didn't pull the trigger,
and like was getting there, I was worried he was
gonna get shot, like just before he shoots, and or
just for plot armor's sake, like just to see and
or it's like yeah, really like he was actually he
just died thinking that he was gonna kill and or
like that's how we're ending this guy's story. So I
I guess I agree with you to an extent. I
I love the sequence of them just going at it,
like and Cyril, like, you know, one thing choking out
the Dedre's intimidating, but like stuff very big, very snow,
very tall, you know, like he's using those those serial
man hands to uh to to choke her out there.
But like he was fucking beating the ship out of
an or like he was given it to him. If
and Or didn't reach for that bowl, it might have
ended right then and there.
Speaker 1: We might not like how many fights, how many fights
as cereal been in the last four.
Speaker 2: Years, And like, I think it's just pure adrenaline and
rage in that moment though, That's what No, that's.
Speaker 1: What him and uh fucking Ddre doing. They turn in
the light, it's off. It's just like even the kids,
she gave him no vice versa she's gonna being the shame.
So he's like learned, she's like gopt better. Even that
kiss she gave him was very violent him viciously, So
like maybe maybe that's what they do. They just fucking go.
They just play like home intruder every night, you know,
and they take cordial Yeah of course, Yeah, do whatever
he wants. This is consentual and me that's why, like
like he's sixty six. Yeah, this comes out with the
Clone Trooper, the Clone Trooper out and everything like that. No,
could you imagine the whole fight of the and Or.
He's just fucking rock hard because this is what he
does with like he just used to like at the
end like agetting his wrongs off. But yeah, I was
taking him back how like well he did against and
Or because it's like I feel like and Nor is
one more train had been through lost situations these last
four years, but Cereal seems like he's just been in
the deaths most of the time. But that's okay.
Speaker 2: He's totally caught off guard though, like he is like,
no way is he preparing for someone to just who
is it? Who's the rest of that spears people? You
went all out on him.
Speaker 1: Rome Rains Goldberg. It's just a lot of one.
Speaker 2: Were we just talking about where somebody got speared three times?
Speaker 1: Joe, I said Joe from Finale? Yeah that was that.
He's Joe. John Padro says, I think Zero blames casting
for everything because the easy thing for him to do
at that point. I agree, But I think I think
that my issue with that is this episode was finally
kind of taking the lights off of zero to be like, hey,
I don't just jump to conclusions, don't be that dumb,
and then him attacking casting kind of puts him back
to like, oh, you're kind of a simpleton again, you know,
Like that's what I liked about the revelation, and then
the casting kind of made it seem like, oh, like,
why would anyone jump to that conclusion? Right like, and
I get it because he is a certain way, but
I thought this episode was kind of supposed to be
an awakening for him to finally be like, Okay, I've
been wrong for you know, the past seven eight years
of my life. You know again, it's a massive complaint.
It's something I need to think about it. And I
also want to hear because usually they do, because we've
talked about, like a couple of weeks ago when the
whole thing happened with Biggs. Usually there's interviews stuff like that.
So I want to hear the motivations behind some of
the choices in the show and then go okay, I'll
watch in that light and not saying they someone should
explain the show and that would make it better for me.
But something I just need to stew on because the
whole episode was about turning him and then he was
attacking our main hero, right, so it caught me off
guard in that moment there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and last thing I'll say on that sequence,
I personally would have I think I would have liked
it better if he did survive in that moment, like
even get shot and wounded, and then they like get
him out of there just for the juice that's there,
But like, where is that gonna lead? We know he's
not in Rogue one, so it seems like it's just
kind of something that they didn't realize how much this
character would blossom, at least in my eyes, because I
definitely did not foresee this whatsoever. But now that we're here,
it's like, man, I wish I could get that Rogue
one DLC with serial a big part of that mission.
Speaker 1: You know, I had such intrusive thoughts during this episode.
I was like, you know what, I'd been completely fine
if like two weeks from now then announced, you know what,
We're just gonna remake a new Hope and Empire strikes back.
But like with the Gilroy's doing it like just in
this vein, I was like, yeah, fuck it, dude, you know, yeah,
Like it just sucks because I know at leads a
Rogue One, which, like you know, I don't like as
much everybody, but she's like all these characters are so massive,
and that's one thing that does Like I feel like
this even raises We talked about this before, like mon
Moth in the movies. This race just Star Wars in
general to me of like like the massacre, like we've
kind of talked around it. Just the actual masker in
a rial. Treis calming here because it was kind of
in the same vein of best Stars content since Rogue One.
Holy shit, get more writers like Gilroy on board and
less of whatever they have had the past six years.
I think maybe, and kirk Lar on board. I think
it's liked a lot of the I'm not sure. Well
that's a discussion. You know you like Boba fet right, Taylor,
Oh yeah, yeah, so there's that. But anyway, so I
want Zero kick the ship a bofet, that's all one.
I want Seero to come back world between Worlds, just
kick the shit and take this broat. Absolutely. Yeah, but
that like you watch the Origional trilogy, and this is
why it I get it right, from a statistical empire
point of view, it makes sense to we have a
big weapon that can just shoot a planet and destroy it, right,
that is scary and that is like, wow, that's a
big moment. But seeing that scene and New Hope versus this,
even though this is just on the ground boots, good
old blasters, this is gonna be scary more and even
for some weekends I really enjoyed, Like obviously it's like
a copy of New Hope, but I loved when they
showed the perspective of the people on the planets right
when the lasers were coming and seeing that thing like, man,
you're just seeing a laser come on your planets over
I thought Jaj and the team that was a really
good choice. But still that can't match what happened tonight
when the Master starts. And that's where it's like what
you talk about currently being scared of blasters for the
most part, of course have been and on Rogue one,
but they're always used in like a like the heroes
block them or they like it's just like fodder to
like get our heroes from pointing to point B or
just war fodder, right, and I'm all down for that.
I'm like, I'm not knocking the original trilogy for that.
I like think about the scene a New Hope where
there's a bunch of storm storm troopers shooting, and what
hansl was like, Oh, like it's very much like these
isn't scary really at all. But this just seeing all
them unload and uncock and then just hearing a Star
Wars sound that you usually get happy memories from and
just seeing people masterred. Now I'm like a tongue in cheek,
not on like an off screen literally you're seeing like
a Nazi concentration camp kill people that are just they're
all innocence, right. They even have one sniper shoot their
own empire person to make it say like oh they
attack first and then they just go to town. And I
did really like too. There was that like the leader
of the convoy of the troops that was like he
was much like zero, where it's like, well we're not
gonna go that far, right then if I'm on his time,
he had this look of like what do you fucking
mean We're gonna go out there and like like handle
the situation, Like at this point they are just peaceful,
right because I thought when they had those bottles, it's like, oh,
don't throw them because you're gonna lose that like kind
of rebellion, like oh, we they struck first, but they
had to because someone set them up. But that's what
I mean, like that masculine seeing everybody and again like
think about I can't remember what are those droids called
to the keys, the cakes units and Rogue one again
cool design, but it's used in a very fun, lighthearted
the classic Star Wars group of characters. And there's a
droid on the team, right Hurrah. This is the first
time seeing from boots on the ground perspective of you
got like a blaster pistol and when he just picked
up I can't remember her name, and she was part
of the rebellion crew on Gorman like that we kind
of met the last few episode. She slapped Cereal. That
thing just fucking picked her up and chucked her and
killed her on impact by you know, brain damage or
broken neck, whatever it may be. That's where it's like,
droids aren't scary, Like think about Phantom Menace, the DROIDI
cars aren't They're all fun. They're all just to get
being down. This is the first time I've been like, man,
this is the most I've been scared of droid is
an empire strikes back when han Sol gets like that
fucking thing's coming for his face, like Jesus. But this
was like, man, this is horrific. And that's where it's
like seeing all this in a Star Wars point view,
where again all that happens, all the wrong, the three planets, whatever,
this is really scary, and that's where a benefit it
raised up the empire for me have put them in
like man, they are I know they're always an allegory
for Nazis, but this was like the in the best way,
the worst of it. It was terrible. And even before
you go, Taylor, we were talking about zero. He says, like,
what are we doing here? And she says, just taking orders.
And that's many things that the Nazis said. After the
Nazis got cant like caught right, that was always kind
of there They're trying to get out like, oh well,
I was just following orders. It's like, yeah, sure, but
your orders were to fucking like burn little children like
that never pop in your mind of like what the
orders were that was, and they purposed to put that
line there to get that allegory.
Speaker 3: So, uh, would you say that the uh these Kax
units are more scary than the Dark Troopers from then Loreian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those aren't scary at all.
Speaker 2: No, you don't think they're scary. I think they're pretty terrifying.
Speaker 1: No, not like they again, it's just like man like
hold on Gogu and it's just like jet facts and like, no,
those not scary at all. I've never been scared of
a troid. This is the first time. When they were
it was already batten off the store troops out there.
But I'm like, yeah, some of the droids, I was like,
oh my fucking gone. That one just kicks a cement
block and a person.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my, oh man, the barrier, yeah, like
six people. Gosh. Yeah, I definitely like new tear of
being scared of droids, but like last time I've been
scared of a droid wash Star Wars, Battlefront two, Super
Battle Super Battle Droids, watch Out Watch those rockets.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The uh.
Speaker 3: It was nice to see these CACKS units actually come
off as their counterpart versions in Fallen Order. Jedi Fallen
Hor because when you fight them in Ji Fallen Hor,
they're fucking tough. And when you see the only the
only one you ever get to really see a live
action is in Rogue one, and then obviously there's the
one in and Or, but it just holds casting and
season one up against the wall before and arrests him.
You don't actually get to see it and what it's
capable of. So when you play that, like you'd remember this.
I don't know if you played a Kirkland, but I
know Travis, you fought a few of them and fall
in order, and like they're just the fucking throw you
around and whip you around, and it's like this is
very different from what the portrayal was in the actual
live action, but yeah, seeing it now here, it's it
is quite something else. And I just throwing that that girl, Yeah,
kicking that block and just like eliminating a bunch of
people and then just they just they're so.
Speaker 2: Hard to kill. You gotta smash them with a speeder.
Speaker 3: But I think it's cool how this is like the
segue into Kate two s O and how he kind
of joins up the joins up the team.
Speaker 1: Even though I'm pretty sure. Again, if you look it up,
this episode is a full like cash tag. Canon doesn't
matter because that's not how and Or and K two
s o me in the comic book. So again, they
don't fucking care. They lie to us ten years.
Speaker 2: How do they meet in the comic books?
Speaker 1: Look it up? Look it up right now. It's something
where like I think and Or's on a mission in
like disguised and you just like hacks the thing or
something like this. I don't think it's this because I
think many people are like, well, they can't do that
in the show, because it happens like I think they
meet like a few weeks before Rogue one, and this
is like a full year later. Tear well you looked
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There you go. So, Taylor, any luck on how they
met there?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were at content for sure. Yeah. But
you know what, I will give them credit.
Speaker 3: Though, because with the yeah, they they fixed the another
form of retconned.
Speaker 2: Canon with with the shot massage. I don't know if.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, no, I know, but that's again they so
kirking what they did. They killed the character off. And
then because Dave Filon is like I just fucking love
a sad adventust, he used her again. He's like, oh, well,
I guess we have to explain how she's back. So yeah,
that that's where it's like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry people, they.
Speaker 1: Picked their backs. But like again, unfortunately, sadly animation, uh,
comic books, all this stuff. Like that's why I got
a little unhinged of not caring about this stuff because
when it's like, oh, this is the origin of Kylo Ren, No,
it's not. Because it's gonna happen at some point we're
gonna get some animated show where it explains ed Y
and Z like I'm sorry, and Taylor, you lost the
battle everybody you've like so like they literally did an
and or comic book to explain how he met Kate
to sa and this shows like Nope, that's not how
it happened. And it's like the whole idea, like everything's cannon.
They sold you a false bill, fucking a bill of
false comics. Aren't no even an animation. The animation is
lied just before and there's many multiple things, Taylor, they've
conned us and they've given us their time, their money,
our views, everything that with that whole oh yeah, everything's cannon.
It's not. It's fucking not animation broken cannon. We've talked
about this many times. I'm not gonna go over this.
There's so many times we talked about this. I think
with fucking Canaan they already did that, and even massage
they did that. Right, how do you say, oh, she
died and then like actually we're gonna bring her back
and no, she didn't die. No, that's showing they don't
care about can that's them cleaning up the masks after
guys you can go back in this to all our
Star Wars episodes. There are probably over ten.
Speaker 2: I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew. No, absolutely, there's probably over ten situations. I
knew I was right when even Clay and Katie, who
are always on your side, I was like, yeah, they
don't fucking care about Cannon where they don't. They really don't.
It's all about live action stuff. They don't care about
the books. They don't care about any of that stuff.
So just remember hashtag Travis is right, told you so,
hashtag canon doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: This is Travis Hi.
Speaker 1: Isn't that right? Brother? Because I brought this up because
I'm pretty sure when they announced the show, mean to
that discussion, I'm like, I bet they're not gonna do
because the whole thing was fans were pointing out, oh,
you actually can have K twos on the show because
it just wouldn't work with the timeline that they set up, right,
And Taylor's like, oh, yeah, they're probably not gonna do it.
But I'm like no, because it's and or and if
they want these characters in there and here we are
like three years later where yeap k TWS was in
here makes no sense. I'm fine, because I've accepted this
a long time ago. I'm I'm Taylor is fucking zero.
He's still in denial. It's like, well, I'm sure the
rumors aren't true. That canon matters, kind of for sure matters,
and one day like fuck.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna tackle you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like one day something big is gonna happen. He's
gonna be like I guess I was wrong, Like that's
what it is like, and yeah, they said k ts
the second I saw that droid get hit and Andrew
like dramatically looked back and like, oh my god, they're
fucking ret conning the whole comic book, like give me
Like it felt that's one thing, Like it felt a
little shooting, like, oh, do you need anything before you go? Yeah,
give me that troid. It's like, man, we canna get
the fuck off this planet. What do you mean? I
gotta cary this heavy astroid to the ship. Like but again,
it's fine. I like the scene. The ending was cool
with u K twos, so the score was great and
winning in the credits like, oh it was great. I'm
fine with that being that because again, canon doesn't matter.
But yeah, just accept another l here and now.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll take the l but I didn't even
know this comic existed, so I didn't know that they
were breaking cannon with K two s.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, ladies, gentlemen, me and Taylor have
talked about this cannon and this chain of events, and
he goes, oh, I don't even remember. So when he's like,
what other times did cannon get broken? He doesn't even
remember this fucking comic book.
Speaker 3: I'm not even remember two forms of cannon. Well, I
never we never read this comic book.
Speaker 1: There's Star Wars, there's the comic books.
Speaker 3: The Podammer and Meeting Ray issue in Lead. I give you,
I give you that one, but that was a book.
Some books obviously don't matter. And then there was the
other one with Massage Dying. But they so Dark Disciple
is a canon novel, if you want to look at
that way. But again, the books, I don't see the
books as cannon. I don't see the comic books as
cannon animation.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: I think they've done a decent job at making and
keeping it canon, especially with this this connecting, uh, this
connecting to rebels uh, with even like the drops of
like gold Squadron, how they concluded Mathma's story here with
Cassid and how Luthen was kind of like, okay, where
you're staying here, We're gonna sparrow you off to like
the Rebel cell that takes over and Rebel. So if
you want to see what happens with Mathma after this
with and Or, I mean, just go watch the Rebels arc.
That that shows the complete follow up there, and it's
cool that that kind of intertwines and kind of connects.
Speaker 2: So fuck I forgot Tony Kilroy about it. That is
a part of that project because if not, I probably
won't know.
Speaker 1: He said he doesn't like Star Wars, so that and
I don't know how that means we're getting the best
Star Wars. Fuck, because I just look up like Cannon breaks,
I love that now, the biggest one. It's just Caddy Mundy,
Like that's the first, Like that's like the first, like
ten articles is like act and fucking Caddy Mundy and.
Speaker 3: Well, people are just pissed off about the age thing,
but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Several Cannon it's still like, you know, this is the thing.
I didn't. I don't care, but it's fine. Kon on
the Cannon But any thoughts on the K two s
SO introduction.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they they killed it on just the
threat level. Like I felt like I was watching a
Terminator movie with these uh, these KX units coming out there.
You highlighted a couple of the the brutal fatalities that
they dished out, but the one when uh, uh, what's
what's the chap's name? Willman?
Speaker 1: Willman?
Speaker 2: Like Willman, Yeah, Willman. He's like cash, you know, I
gotta go back for her. And then he's like no,
like we want to get the fuck out of there.
And then you just see this man go soaring through
the sky and just hit the wall and like put
a meteor crater in the like like the concrete wall,
and it just falls limp to the ground, like, yeah,
I'm fucking out of there. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, lady.
Uh clearly, you know she had a magic area that
Willman was was was all over. But it worked out,
you know, they got out. I'm hoping that he lives
throughout the night because we didn't see that conclusion. But uh, yeah,
I know the KX stuff. I like the the moment too.
At first I thought K two s O was the
one that like when Cyrel goes into that back room,
sounds spicy, but when he goes in that back room
with the KX it's and that one's just staring at him.
I just assumed that was K two s O because
it just it was the one that that showed the
most life. But uh uh, because yeah, like when when
they squish it, I'm like, oh, well that can't be
K two, so that one's pretty pretty out of function.
But uh, I like the moment when you asked for
one more favor to just get them to haul it
into the vehicle, because when he was looking at him, like, Okay,
this must be K two s O. But how the
fuck is he gonna lift his giant Like I imagine that
weighs just hundreds upon hundreds of pounds.
Speaker 1: It was a big request in the middle of a
massacre to be a K kill Graham robo.
Speaker 2: It was like a cool downstage. Though. It's like when
you when when they do the wide shot. It's a
great wide shot. It reminded me, honestly of like the
ending of like Two Towers, when you just see like
like the giant fell beasts just like flying over Mordor
and it's just like holy fuck, like this is this
is but it's the tie fighters. In this situation, you
just have like people just like walking on the streets
like normally, and like these people even know that this happened.
It's just kind of like around the whatever it's called
the transport vehicle that Cassian's driving in that moment, but no,
the uh yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for Cassian because he did not need
to be brought here for this assassination attempt, and I
know Luthen supposedly wanted him to be there to to
take out Dager.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 3: It just he's there and then he's just in the
crowd and he starts to notice like holy shit, like
there's a lot more of bigger imperial presence they're barricading,
and like just the intensity when the crowd gets shuffled
in and this is like you watch the original trilogy
and you're like, oh, Stormtroopers, you got cool armor, but
it's not really that intimidating or scary. They's just you know,
they miss their Stormtroopers. But then in this like just
well there's like ten of them standing on that staircase
and it's just you feel terrified by by this little
squadron here and there's that box.
Speaker 2: It's over for you. Yeah, I'm just waiting, clim I
thought the TIPE fighters were gonna come in and just
start raining down on them.
Speaker 1: They're singing along and then and Or in his friend
Like I love that, especially to when Andrew the first
time trying like he wants to get out of there,
but as he walks up, he just sees like troopers
and Empire people all over. It's like, oh, you can't
just even leave this area right now, you know. It's
like you're just you're just kinda box. And that's why
they'll throughout the rest episode, every time he moves, he's
always like behind like a bean or some cement, Like
he's like trying like he's trying to have some coverage
because he knows it's about to go down, so he
has to just wait it out. But yeah, that anticipation
and because it takes like probably twenty twenty five minutes
somewhere in there, but that build it was worth it,
Like score was great, but just seeing all the sides,
seeing everything go down of oh man is but him
this is where it's like again taking something that you
know maybe a few times has been scary, But I
don't think there's been anything scarier for a tie fighter
use than right here when it's almost like the first
sign of like cereals like walk, like maybe it happens
two times, but I know it happens. I can't remember
the other character, and it happens a serial when he
goes out. But just the idea of those ty fers
when they whosh by and they're super low, it's just
like literally at that point, it's like all right, if
you guys don't get what's going on, it is fucking like, yeah,
that's that's our glider moment, like that is, And that's
where it's scary because that sound and just that moment,
you you know what, any second that thing's gonna come
by again. But the next time it's gonna be raining
down like gunfire, you know, laser fire down you. So
that's where it's again like, yeah, ty fights can be scary,
but that's the most scary we've been in ty fire too,
just like fuck is again when your boots on the ground,
you know, a guy with the force, you don't have
a millennium fulk you just jump in. When you're just
a guy with a couple of cocktails. Yeah, when you
and you just got a flag and you got a
fucking tie fire above you, it's like, what are we
gonna do? So it's like all these signs of oh
yeah this is Yeah. Sure, some stormtroopers and Imperial people die,
but not anywhere near numbers wise. Obviously Masker all of
them pretty much die here other than a few people
that escape. But it's yeah, just very scary brutal stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I still feel like the uh I think
it's the all DAWNI episode of season one, that's probably
my peak fear of tie fighters because I just remember
like the sound of them as you described there. But uh, yeah, no,
they did a good job of the threat and just
just double down on what I was saying earlier on
the spoiler sect or spoiler free section of just like
the impact of well used audio design on just multiplying
the fear factor of blaster fire. Like I it's like
you watch like a like a somewhat realistic war movie
and it's showing like artillery and like people like trenches
of just these like like some of these, and like
again it's going fast, so it probably isn't this big,
but it just looks like this giant fucking cylinder of
like energy just going by you. And if it just
seeing the fellow Gorman's just dropping and these these like
they feel like heavy blasters just flying through the air
and just and then you got Cyril that's just like
looking like Frodo was, you know, putting on the ring
and staring at the fell beasts get down. A couple
of the rings references tonight. But yeah, no, I think
this is peak usage of the blaster fire. It just
just purely on the audio design. Like the visuals look good,
but like specifically the audio design was was really I
think what is what made it there? But yeah, I
had a double down on that cause that was awesome.
Speaker 1: I think they're ready to move on to something else.
Speaker 3: Oh you know, it's just I won't say much.
Speaker 2: It's just brutal.
Speaker 3: There's just the the shots there with the squad is
and like the pushing through like the riot shields, and
when that first sniper sets up the fake shot, the
fake shot, the real shot, but the fake kill, real kill,
but the fake set up fucking kill to make it.
Speaker 2: Look like it was the protesters instigating this.
Speaker 3: And then just where the barricades are there's like there's
a one quick shot of this woman like she kind
of trips, but she's trying to like jump back over
this like barricade to get away. But the one trooper
just like like not even a foot in front of him,
just raises his blaster and shoots her, and just like
she's fucking down.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, we're gone.
Speaker 1: That's exactly it.
Speaker 2: Like it's this brutal heal.
Speaker 3: They're just opening fire, killing these people. That's just the
kind of shit that's just terrifying. It's like it's, yeah,
just fucking sheve man, she just planning all this shit out.
And even when it stems at the start with that
conversation where uh, oh, what's his name, Pelegrave, Deirdre's boss,
bad As parag Yeah, so when he's talking to deer Dredd,
he's like, sorry, I'm sorry, part of gas, part of
part of gas.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when he's talking to deer dreadd he's he's basically
just saying, oh, sorry, I was I'm late or whatever.
But Krenic is talking to the emperor right now, and
the Emperor has been briefed, and so this is this
is I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's here saying that he's doing a clue, what's going on?
Speaker 1: What happened to Gorman's cry Raised? He's crying raised Dad
right now. And Cranic's like, yeah, the Emperor told.
Speaker 3: Me to do this, but I just think that it's
it's eerie when he drops this line, when he's like, yeah,
so I don't know all the science behind it, but
it's bad luck.
Speaker 2: Gorman thought, fuck okay.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, so the fleet will be there in
like forty eight hours and we're just gonna We're just
gonna take it out of the ground. There's no more,
there's no synthetics, there's no alternatives, like, this is what
we need and it's gonna basically destroy Gorman. It's like, fuck, okay,
here we go. Escalation, It's it's happening. But yeah, just
everything with the protest and them just killing all these
innocent people, it's just it's brutal.
Speaker 1: And then we got it confirmed. Honestly, the writers and
creators said that he wasn't in the show. But yeah,
that clip of Deer just choking was not Vader. It
was just her having a panic attack in her own
little room there and yeah, I'll be very other than
wanting to see her brain splattered everywhere next episode, you know,
our next batch episodes, very curious what she does here.
That's always like the good and bad thing about the
year jump, right, because there's a I think there's a
couple of times in the show like, man, I want
just like the follow up immediately of what happens. Right,
But great acting by her all round this episode again,
many highlights for all these actors, but that moment when
she's breaking down is trying to she's like trying to cry,
like she's trying not to cry and trying to get
in like imperial mode, but she can't stop. And it's
kind of times at the same time, they go to
Cerials Mom and I guarantee you we're gonna get that.
We're gonna get see between those two next week. And
I think that's gonna be really powerful. And I think
Cero Mom's gonna fucking lay down the lawn or make
Deirdre feel like even more like.
Speaker 3: A piece of like Cyril. She's gonna tackle her and.
Speaker 1: Spear her. Yeah, but no, but you know, you know,
you know, kill you. But yeah, I think, uh, it's
gonna be interesting what happens. But she's still you know,
she's somebody different. She she still chose the empire over
she tried to set zer up, but she like she
didn't go out there on boots on the ground looking
for cero. Right. She sent someone else to be like, hey,
make she don't leave the building. And it's like, well,
that's like I'm sure I'm not saying she wasn't upset
about but she still made her choice of what is
more important. And uh yeah, great performance by her, and
very excited next week. But like I said, yeah, I
hope that she fucking eats it next week big time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I I'm with you. I'm excited for that
to happen. But I think of the day, like I'm
so gonna miss Dandra. Like I I just think, what's
the actress's name? I Denise goo Denise?
Speaker 1: You said you sound like in a parody movie, like Denise.
Speaker 2: Goo g o U g h. It's probably like goff
or something. Go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I I think she just like embodies this like angry
imperial leader, Like she just like defines resting bitch face,
but like maximizes it to just like sinister bitch face.
She just it always feels like her lips twitching, like
she's just ready to just I don't know, just just
just tear apart cereal or something. I don't know. Uh,
she just has that look of the classic imperial evil character.
And yeah, I think they do such a good job
at really making it like like even if I don't
get like lines between characters, like you can just kind
of tell who is in the certain category of like, kid,
these are the higher ups more so in the and
like I know there's even higher ups more than party
Ass and Dadra and stuff like this, But like they
do a good job of just discerning and whether it's
just the colors of what they're wearing or just how
they carry themselves. But just like the hierarchy of the empire,
Like if I'm if I'm one of these Gorman's, you know,
I'm getting my bottle ready to throw, I can kind
of see who's in charge just based and you know,
of course that's to do with uniforms and such like that,
but also just I think the way that the certain
imperial like like the imperial people that are in these
hidden rooms are just a completely different caliber. And I
think they do a good job of just separating Dadra
from the likes of Cyril and just other people in general,
because as you already listed there, Travis is like, yeah,
like Cereal's probably put her in a situation where she's
kind of been the most vulnerable she's ever been of
just emotionally wise, which has been interesting because again, jumping
into d Or season one, never thought I would like
get this side of just an imperial officer and actually
be like invested in it. But god damn they did it.
I at the end of the day, she still didn't
go out there and like chase Cyril and like drop
everything for her love, like trying to do what Cassian
or sorry, kind of what Cassian's trying to do with Bicks, right,
like like forget all the rebels, forget all this. We
got love. That's all at all all, that's all that matters.
She's not making that call, like she's like no, like
I at the end of the day, I'm for the Empire,
like this is this is the way so.
Speaker 1: And I feel like she never gets close to anybody
ever again because that situation compromised her and how it
worked out and how he didn't stay Obviously she could
just die next week. They could they could do the
thing where okay, she just lives on becomes like an appeal,
Like she's just like a no name imperial. It's like
on one of the Death Stars when it goes down.
But yeah, yeah, yeah, she becomes fucking raised grandma or
something like that. But like, I don't want I don't
want that. I think this character should go down, especially
I think with how they're teasing and or about to
shoot her, I think should be one of our characters.
But yeah, I think it will be interesting at least
in like episode like ten, immediately where she's at, I
could see her just being even more cold now and
even almost more ruthless because kind of have to be right.
So that's why I bet we could see her being
strong ass. And then when she bumps like somehow into
Cyro's mother, that might be kind of a moment there.
But yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Just to see what happens, it's gonna be like a
fight scene between Cyril and Cassie and but the mother
and uh and Dandre just beating the shit up. Absolutely
good to me, you know, I think she's gonna die.
I think that after this moment if she were to
live on. She's gonna be the coldest version of herself
that she's ever been, and there's that much more ruthless,
like like full on evil evil character where she's basically
cracking a smile seeing you know, people just innocently murdered.
But man like I also kind of want a world
where we get her living on and like we get
another type of story of like being a part of it,
like like this is such a great like it's not
an origin for her, but like an origin for the
evolution of her, so like yeah, fuck, like this could
be a great evil character called.
Speaker 1: Again my new hope remake pick pitch, you know, just
just pick up and for threat. It's like she's because
like okay, can't you start and that actress passed away?
Put them put her on that slot, like you know,
like I would. I'm somehow this show has made not
oppose the idea of like, yeah, we can remake Star Wars.
It's fine. The rich will always be there, right, but
only with the gal Roys or maybe some other people.
But we taught you brought her up so with a
probably good place to talk about her now because she's
not too much all she has a big moment, so
bis not the role we thought she was gonna go.
We thought she'd be really back on the missions, not
like I'm sure she's doing some stuff. It seems like
she's way more just stay at home, stay at the avan.
We thought the drugs could be her downfall and more
of a situation that wasn't says again where we talk
about man, if this would have been multiple seasons like
it was planned, I think that's something they would have
dived into more. But we didn't get that. She seems
like she's completely clean and that kill from last week
saved her. And then like, I don't think he's gonna die.
We kind of thought, Okay, she's gonna maybe not at kidnapp,
but we thought, okay, she's like a gone or maybe
not these three episodes, but next week she's gonna for
sure die. That moves and or forward and I don't
think that's gonna happen. And I am very curious because
they I know next week is like leads up right
to rogue one, but I'm kind of hoping Episode twelve
ends and then they do another time skip and we
see a couple of these characters after Return of the Jedi.
I know, or after even Rogue one, like with Bicks
finding out that like someone because that guy I can't
remember his name, but he's a British guy. He's in
Rogue one. He's at the Avon base like something like that,
like her meeting that guy, and you know, whether she
was back to Yahn like someone informing her that and
or said like I feel like with her speech and
it's all very good. I buy the reason. There's a
very similar Batman run where Batman and cat Women are
getting married and cat Woman leaves Batman alter for the
same reason of like, if you get married to me,
you're gonna lose like Ofthenm's gonna lose you. So I
can't do that. So I got that that was all fine.
But the way she was talking of like, oh, when
this is all over, we'll meet again and we'll live
the way we want to. It'll feel kind of weird
if we never see Bicks again, you know. So I
kind of hope there is kind of like an epilogue
to Rogue one, like we kind of get like a
mini sequel to Rogue one where we see a few
characters react to the situation. Hell, maybe that's where Deirja,
you know lives, you could get that, that's my head.
Speaker 2: I get the comic book, Well, don't.
Speaker 1: Want that because they'll just wreckon it in a fucking
five years from now, So I don't want that. So
I hope it's in the show that we get an
epilogue to Rogue one, but I'm not confident it's gonna happen,
and they might just leave it like this where it's
you know, oh, like I hope we meet one day.
It's just like a tragic thing. But even then I
want to see, like Andrea Drona like act out that
news of finding about and or dying, you know, like
there's some want.
Speaker 3: So she's not gonna reach out until after everything is over, right,
So when everything is ended and she hears, I mean
when everything is over, I'm not gonna say Return of
the Jedi, like if we're talking like movie canon, it'll
be the Battle of Jakou, which is a few years later.
So this is like years later after Turn of the Jedi.
The Empire's finally gone. She's gonna go to Yavin Four
and be like, oh, there's nobody here.
Speaker 1: Well that's Paul for I don't know if she'll go there.
That's why my pitches you set after Rogue one where
she somehow meets up with a character that could inform
her about and or right, because like, I'm sure there's
not a newscaster being like in generous and and or
we're on the beach when it was exploded, like not that,
but someone would say, hey, he went on that mission.
He didn't make it back.
Speaker 3: You know. Maybe, But it's tricky because I feel like
the amount of losses they experienced there is a lot.
So they're probably doing like roll call trying to figure
out who died. And I have to remember too, this
is like only like a few days before they launch
another counter so on the Death Star, So it's like,
holy fuck, they got a lot. Then they got to evacuate,
then they gotta get move into haw So.
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on.
Speaker 3: If she was just pop up, I don't know who
would have that detail.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's why the British guy thought, I don't
know his name, but he's the guy he was in
Rogue war Raven. Yeah, like that's I thought he might
be the appropriate character to connect those dots. And again,
not even if she goes yeah four I'm not sure. Like,
let's say there's another like mission situation where someone's and
that's what I mean. It is like a tough connection,
and that's why I'm leaning towards we're not gonna get it,
They're just gonna leave it that way. But I want
the scene wherever is. I want her finding out. So
that's where it's like I want it, But I don't
know if the show can do because I just don't
I don't see them going past the Battle of Jaku
and then like giving us that, Like I just I
don't know if the Gilroy's are interested in in like
that type of stuff. Like I don't know, maybe I'm wrong,
But what do you think? Do you think this is
the last of BIGS or do you think we get
some sort of epilogue sort of moment.
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: I would want an epilogue, but I think it's more
likely that we'll just never see her again. And uh,
it's it's unfortunate just because I don't know. I like
that actress, like the character, like the role. But I
feel like already a couple of times in the show,
we've we've had some things kind of like well, I
guess we did get a little bit of a follow
up on the take Hoolma event, but like still it's
it's really quick, Like it's not like what did you
do with take Holma? It's like, yeah, you handled that
really quickly. Uh So, I I think just throughout the
show they've done a few times of not feeling the
need to even answer certain things like it happened, and
that's just that, like are we ever going to see
B two again? Like he's probably never gonna be able
to see Yeah, exactly. So it's just they already in
the season alone, like they've they've had a couple of
things Andy serkis, we're never going to find out what
happened to that.
Speaker 1: Well that's good. I don't want that that should be
left over.
Speaker 2: But like it's just a pattern of of them. I
didn't realize he has a little mirror back there. We
can just see what he's doing in his reflection.
Speaker 1: It off you see, we gotta fire off the podcast
because you two sees his cock like none of that,
none of that. But yeah, I know you're right. I said,
I think you're right because they've done that few few
times and that's and that's where someone might be fine
with that because the circus one, I'm in that camp
of I don't ever know. To me, that would ruin
it if you just pops up before like and or
I like, I don't have.
Speaker 2: Found this guy's cook.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, and you smoke, but yeah, I'll know
you get to bust out again, probably after this time.
But yeah, and that's where I get that. I wonder
how some people feel because like the other situation you
could have had with bics of like her, just I
guarantee that some people. And I don't even know if
I'm not opposed this of her just saying like you
can go, but I'm fucking staying, like if you feel
like you're done and you're retired from the mission. And
I was kind of hoping it was that, because again,
it felt weird that she was. We never really got
her back in action. You know, I thought the show
was kind of leading towards that, and I'm finally going
a different rout, but I felt like the show, especially
last week, were killing that guy and then blowing up
that bass. Was like, Okay, she's even if it's drug
fueled yo perk bix, She's back for a little bit.
But no, she said she was like a stay at
home andre Royf as far as we know, wasn't talked
about any missions. So but I thought she was gonna
say like, hey, if you're done, that's cool, but I'm
not done and you can't make me go. And and
you know, so I wonder I'll see if they follow up.
But I you know, like, I still think the better
result could have been her dying on a mission. But
I get that idea of, you know, and Or was
just done that because again, he's seen a lot of shit,
but that massacre, and I get that idea of that's
also a noble sacrifice of like this person new love,
you're just gonna outright lead the leave them until this
thing is done. When it's just like yeah, very high probability,
you're never gonna see them again in this situation, right
like you just like your man was just.
Speaker 2: Some rebellions over, I'll see you again, I'll come see you.
It's like, okay, buddy, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she actually just was done with it and just
wanted to break up bandor And that was like the perfect.
Speaker 2: About that sticks Now you know she's just doing the
hard stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's that person that would break up you'd be like, well,
if it's meant to be, will find each other again.
It's like, no, that's not a real fucking thing, Like,
don't say that, Like that's what she did there.
Speaker 3: It's like it's going to go go hook up with Luthen.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Yeah, I can't come to the island for
I've needed other places.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I I'm kind of torn on how that
ended because in one hand, like it was a beautiful scene.
I think it was really heart wrenching. It's also just
a powerful moment, you know, when he gets off the
mission and it's just he went through so much and
there there's so much silence of like her not saying anything,
but like that like so much just said in the silence.
I feel. I just love the moment when he's like
like why an't you say anything? It's like, just drink
your tea. I'm just listening. It's fine. Like I just
think that she played that so well. It's like it's
like you're getting ready to like say goodbye to someone
that you're like pulling the plug on, Like it just
it was just like one of those moments. So I
think it's a really powerful scene. But I'm with you,
I think, like, well, if she's still part of the rebellion,
like why would she just leave? Like maybe I guess
she's doing stuff for the rebellion elsewhere. But I also
think that they could have just been on the rebellion together,
doing missions together. But I also understand that maybe that
makes the mission a little bit compromised because in that situation,
Cassie would probably focus more on bicks, like saving bicks
than the like the rebellion mission. So I totally get that,
and I totally understand like the difficult decision of her
understanding that the rebellion needs him, Like I love that
scene between Vell and Bix of just like like Cassian
is a leader, like people need him, and then like
Bis totally understanding that. So yeah, I'm a little bit
fifty to fifty on it because I think in a
perfect world, like they would have just been on the
rebellion together. You know, why would Cassian not just fuck
off and like go find Bis? You know, like I
could also see the story going that route. But also
him doing like good by her, like like honoring her
wish is being a part of the rebellion, right, So
it's like if he truly loves her like he's going
to be accepting this goal. So I don't know. I
think it's really beautiful but tough at the same time.
But it's it's a tricky situation, like it's not a
win win scenario by any means. I can see by
her staying that bringing up many different issues for just
the success of the rebellion, which you know, they're getting
an army, but at this stage it is still very
early and very fragile, like it could end very fast,
like if one Empire person finds out about Yavin like
this whole like it it's over for you that that's
our glider in the sky. They're gonna be seeing the
the star destroyers just coming in. But yeah, no, it's
it's beautiful scene.
Speaker 1: Though there there any more thoughts on Bicks.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, her her bounce and that's you know, that's
that's interesting. Her logic behind it, I don't know what
she's thinking. She must know that Cassian is just gonna
end up high probability of dying, which he does, so
I don't know how on board I could really get
on with that. But she understands his value to the
rebellion and makes a play because he obviously doesn't see
himself having both the rebellion and her it's one or
the other, and so she took that out of the equation.
So I can respect that and the motivation behind it her.
And this is what I was alluding to in the
non spoilers, her interest in the character who is the
Force healer? I thought that was kind of neat and
it granted, there's lots of people out there that you know,
they they're not Jedi or anything like that, they you know,
they have the Force. This is probably just some woman
that you know, Order sixty six happen.
Speaker 2: Maybe she was finding.
Speaker 1: Say force is one with me and one with the Force.
Speaker 2: I'm one with a force.
Speaker 1: Say that again, she's one of those force users.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if he has He doesn't have any.
He doesn't have any of the Force. I don't think
in him, not that I've seen with this character. He's
just someone who worships the you know, the Guardians, one
of the Guardians of the Wills. That's one of the
George Lucas's creations.
Speaker 1: I think with the amount he does being blind like that,
he has some sense of the Force.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, oh, no, they they always has all ears,
all ears. Some they emphasize that in Rogue one too,
it's all ears, all ears.
Speaker 1: That's a cover that's for so people won't be like
the Force, like even Anders like you're fucking crazy, Bis,
get this bitch away from me, like he's like so
opposed to like just tear out for a second, like
and just shut me up like that.
Speaker 2: I really like that too.
Speaker 3: I think that's fantastic too, because again it's like with
Han Solo, it's everyone that just thinks, oh there's you know,
it's just it is just a myth, like no one
all these people like and Or and and Han Solo
and now, they were all just kids when over sixty
six happened, so they didn't have any kind of recollection
this occurred. And even then when you see with Mando
when he was just a kid throughout the Clone Wars,
they didn't even have any interaction with Jedi, so they
don't they don't know what things were like back then.
It's a whole new generation and I like that where
Casie' is like, oh, it's just it's bullshit whatnot. It's
it's not anything that's based in reality or foundation and
I think at the same time, when you're watching this
show in its entirety, you can kind of you can
detach and you can forget that this is the same
universe that Jedi exists. This is the same universe that
holy shit, we had a clone army and back to
tanks and all that kind of stuff. And the Rebellion
obviously doesn't have back to tanks yet they get them
at Hath as we've seen, but here it's just resorting.
Speaker 2: To force healing.
Speaker 3: But it's that same kind of crazy realization too, which
we'll talk more about it with Mon Mathma's speech, where
you're just you're it's just a political gathering. They're addressing
things just like you would hear and you know, in
our branch of government, whatever you want to call it,
and it just seems very very normal while it is
Star Wars esque. But at the same time, if you
remind yourself, like and holy fuck, at the root of
the Gorman massacre, at the root of just what Mathma's
calling out here is this evil is there's this fucking
old guy that won, he eliminated his competition, the Jedi,
the enemy, and he's just been sitting out of these
Senate meetings, and he's just been sitting in his fucking
pyramid on course on opening up Sith holocrons and making
all these crazy fucking plans and creating like clones of himself,
creating a fleet of starter stores that can blow up
planets on exigll. Like, this fucker is just going crazy
and no one has any idea about how fucking evil
he is, that he's just this Sith Force user. And
that's inclosing on this. One of my favorite lions. It's
from the campaign of Star Wars Battlefront two, is when
you're playing as Luke and you go to this You're
going to this planet to go to a vault that
the Emperor has, and at the same time, one of
these Imperial Special Forces units, this guy is there and
he has to go and destroy the vault. And this
is post Return of the Jedi. So when the guy's there,
he's like you're he bumps into Luke, and Luke ends
up saving him from these aliens or whatever these creatures
that are on the planet, and the Imperial's like, why
would you save me? And Luke's like, well, because you
know you're not a threat to me, and you asked
and so I wanted to help you, and so they
form an uneasy alliance at first, and when they get
to the vault, Uh, it's just eerie because he's like,
you know, you're nothing like I ever. I thought I've
heard stories of the Jedi stories of you guys, but like,
you're not what I thought you were.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, why would the cuts him down?
Speaker 1: You're right, we're not.
Speaker 3: When they get to the vault door, Luke opens it
with the Force, and the troopers like, well, why would
the Emperor have a vault door that could only be
opened with the Force, And then Luke's like, well, as
a kid, I'm telling you that you were afraid of
the wrong thing. It's like, holy fuck, Like just you
get these chills because it's the Emperor.
Speaker 1: Afraid of me. Flash the last Jedies. I'm fucking about
to strike down a fourteen year old Ben. Yeah, and
then you got on the other side of the coin,
all these fucking maskers, and you know, it's just sitting
on some planet, diddling himself doing nothing. You know, it's great,
him and Obi Wan just fucking cowards and all those
other Jedis out there. But you know, I digress lots
of them. Yeah, right, let's take an ad break, and
then Kirklin's gonna tell us the next best thing. We
were back, and we're back.
Speaker 2: The next best thing is what Taylor was already talking about.
But I'd like this this world that we're in where
jedis aren't like super relevant or like just prevalent. It's
basically a myth. And I like just the spooky, like
the spookiness of these force healers right, and like just
the disbelief right away that Cassian has. I just really
really love that sequence and just how she just walked
right for Cassian, He's like, what you do? Like it's
as if you're a fucking Montanas and like somebody gives
you the person it's his birthday and they're coming around.
You're like, what the fuck did you do? Are you
kidding me? But no, I just thought that was a
really really cool sequence, and then you know, she she
healed him to an extent he's able to move that
shoulder around a little bit after that point. Transitioning from
that the other sequence I wanted to shout out that
really made me laugh. It's it's to my name. But
when they're getting mon moth out there and a couple
of times in episode ten no not ten nine. I
feel like there's just they're really good at like thinking
on their toes in these high stress environments. I think
that's a good thing. That sorry a good trait on
what makes Cassie and just so good on these missions.
He can just you just go with the flow and
and just make something quick, Like when they're going out
to the driver, can we trust him? No, he's an
icy spy. He's like what's his name, whatever the fuck
he calls him. It's like, hey, gay, little little guy,
Hey little guy, just getting his attention, just like kind
of throw him off guard, and then they just shoot
him right away. It's just like, oh, well that worked.
And then oh yeah, it's like she's a rebel spy
and like everyone just kind of like like doesn't know
what to do. And then that gives Cassie in like
a moment to just.
Speaker 1: I get why she did that because mom wasn't going
with her, but just whip up that pistol man. That
was a full play. And at least that guy that
on fire kind of I don't say redeemed himself because
I was on his side. Right, he was spying for
the best. He's working for Luthen.
Speaker 2: But like lu said, he's like, I shouldn't have told
her about her skin, Like he knew I probably should
have not told her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because because even when he leaves, she's like, oh,
what's happening with mom? He's like, well, he just like
she said some lines like ask Luthen about it, pretty
much just been like, yeah, he fucking blew my cover
and everything, which again, like I get why man is mad.
Luthen be goause all things he is done. We brought
up again with the banker, right, that came back from
the first arc of this thing. I was like, hey,
my childhood friend. But at the same time, for the
most time, Luthen is right. Of course he does things
in some dark and shadies way. But yeah, that's why
it's my name. I love that of her being like, oh,
so I can only trust you. He's like, well, I'm
the one you can trust tonight. So it's just like
he's not saying like, oh, there's not no one else
out there, but tonight everybody didn't even bail indirectly, right,
he doesn't know he's giving her fucking spoiled like help us, like,
Luthen's the only one that can, really you can even
in that moment, she's one hundred percent sure, right, But
he hasn't traded wrong yet. He's done some shady things,
some shitty things, the same thing like and I, you know,
don't think it's a bad thing. The second the banker
was maybe like kind of maybe blackmail or just was
speaking at attorney's like, yeah, let's just cut this. He
takes no risks, right, He is in a situation where
even if someone could be redeemed, he might not give
them the chance. And maybe there's a chance that banker
could have been talked to and there could have been
a way to like get him back in your side.
But could it also just blue man's cover and everybody's cover.
Same thing with She even said that to him, like
are you worried about me or me getting arrested? And
it's a bit of both, but Luthern is probably more
about getting worried about her get arrested because it could
be over. They could use those torture devices and they
could get everything from her. Right, And even seeing Luthen
out and about without his wig was like kind of
jarring around that situation right, because he's like, it does
feel like he and that's where I'm I thought he
might bite it this arc, to be honest, because the
way he was talking, it just it does feel like
he is at his wits end here. So I'm very
curious when we pick up next week. I don't think
we would pick up with him and like he's dead,
but like, you know, know with this show, that could
be like an exciting incident, but I feel like it's
coming and it just feels like he's There's only so
much more he can do now, even bail right, Like
he's saying like, oh, give me a year, which obviously
we uh, he don't get that year and stuff, and
you know, I give him crap. I love Jimmy Smith.
I thought Benijamin Bratt for the type the role he
was in here was really good. Of course, I do
wish it was Smith's because Smith's is one of my
favorite like underrated actors, but I thought it was good.
And yeah, we haven't talked about it, but Mom's speech
was ten to ten. Genevie Riley is always fantastic, same
thing you watch the Star Wars trilogy. Mom off was
not really into that much you if she is, she's like,
you know, very stereotypical, like I'm the leader of the rebellion.
I'm hoping, like it's just all right. I would take
a fucking Star Wars four in a six remake where
mom Moth was like a legit supporting character, you know,
cause it's kind of sad, like I know you haven't
seen it, Kirkland, And like, again, I like the show enough,
but when I see like her pop up in a Soka,
it's like, yeah, fine, but it's giving like a thespian
fucking like the bad snl skit where it's like, oh yeah,
like they don't use mom off on the same in
this show. You know, this show, this is like some
Emmy Award winning top tier actress stuff, and it's like, man,
we're never gonna get to see this again from her,
and it's just it's such a shame, you know.
Speaker 3: So she it would have been nice if they didn't
act for scenes in Revenge of the Seth because I
liked some of her scenes in those deleted deleted shots.
Speaker 1: Yeah I do too, but still never had that that
much screen time, right, Like I'd like her to be
like this show where it's like another adventurer. There's many
characters that do survive or could survive. I'd like to
see more adventures of and I think this is just
it for the and Or crew. But yeah, that speech
was fantastic about the most dangerous thing is when you
don't get to know the truth of the situation, when
the truth is being withheld from you. And when she
says the evil that's rising and he is like Emperor
Palpatine and they just cut the man. Great stuff. I
knew it was gonna be the same thing. I knew, like, Okay,
she's gonna make the speech to start, I knew exactly
where it was going. Andre was gonna get her out
of there, like be for me. I tell you, Okay,
what's gonna happen. But it felt like you brought the driver,
but her getting or him getting her out of there,
the jacket, the shooting, everything. It was got great bank heist,
but it was a person heist. But yeah, this speech
was great everything. No no ites. I hope Genevieve is
in a lot of next week's episodes because again, that's
probably last time we're seeing her in this context. But yeah,
never thought i'd love the mon Mothma character. But here
I am and great stuff.
Speaker 2: No, I'm right there with you. I think I think
we get like just more of her in like the
wedding episode. I can't remember exactly for the whole arc.
She probably is more in this arc overall, but I
think even just in the like the small moments, like
the scene between her and Luther and it's not really
that long of a scene, but like just just all
of the range of emotions that she shows, like in
her face let alone, with the things that she says,
and just the emotion of just like when she drops
that line of like everything that's going on right now
to think I'm like the most scared of you, like
like the person it's supposed to be like my closest ally,
Like it's just like that's like goosebumps in that in
that setting. So yeah, I thought all of the I mean, yeah,
she's she's st here, you know, s plus here in
this show, and there's so many like high caliber people
to praise, but I think she's just she's she's yeah,
she's s plus. So I am gonna be sad if
we don't ever get to see her again beyond next
week because she's yeah, like you said, like I never
would have thought I would be a mon matha like
like huge fan after and or but here we are.
What else was I gonna go on there? Yeah? Oh yeah,
that's what I was gonna say. Is is just the
idea of like I know everything that's gonna be happening,
Like at the start of I think it was of
episode nine, when I like realize that, like, okay, Cassie's
going on this mission, and then like they don't say
exactly like you're gonna go pick up Monmothma and get
her out of after she does her speech, but it's
just like this is her mission. It doesn't seem like
everything's being revealed until like they're kind of in that situation,
like even when he's with Clea right, like they don't
say exactly what's happening, but I'm like, Okay, yeah, this
is gonna be it. This is when we finally get
Cassie and and Mon like together in the same setting.
And then when he's talking to Luthen and we're kind
of getting going on the mission, it's like, Okay, I
kind of know everything's gonna happen, Like she's gonna get her,
She's gonna get her speech off. Casiane's gonna get her
out of there. Like I know, these people survive this event,
but still it's like, Okay, now let's actually see how
this play goes. It's like it's like a play of
whatever Macbeth. You know, I don't know that well, but
for someone that would note you know, the main hitting point.
But you're seeing the performance. Yeah, you know, I'm expecting
Leo with a gun and that.
Speaker 1: Version one one fuck no.
Speaker 2: Thumbs up, good stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a Taylor, are you good there?
Speaker 3: Just the speech was chills my god, just everything that
she was saying and that music kicks in and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was watching. He was watching the broadcast. He's
always watching. That's terrifying, dude. Yeah, I know, I think
that was just it was.
Speaker 3: It was fantastic, And I'm sure yeah, he wherever he
is he's he's watching it. He's probably just freaking the
funk out thinking like shut it down, like like that
scene with with.
Speaker 1: That was that was actually the guy that's in the
monor room when he's like shut the speech down. And
I loved those two little plants when he got there
and like why the door it should lock? All they're like,
oh well it's actually always supposed to lock. It was
just broken, Like how did they get fixed? Oh well
we use the key card. We'll give me the key card.
Oh well it's still in uh like re cut whatever
like dignostics or whatever. Just this fucking high like worst
day of his job ever. And then they just look
as smile at each other's like yeah, that's great. You
know again you can see that rebellion building because now
you're trying to see more people spread throughout that are
in on the against the emperor side where you know,
start and or it's like luthen In like a dozen
other people. Now it's like, okay, there's people spread throughout
where you don't got the empire numbers, but you can
actually have some trusted people.
Speaker 2: So the guy that's like on, like the guy that's
supposed to be in charge of I think that's going
on when he gets that call at the end, it's
like a colonel don't remember, oh Colonel Laren, Yeah he
saw the season one. Man, he's sweating bullets like like
to your point, try like he that's the worst day ever.
It's like everything went wrong. I knew I wasn't supposed
to let that air, and now my boss is fucking
calling me, getting ready to you know, I'm aa fucking
kill you like that.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be happening for Colonel Laren is head of ISB,
so you don't don't want to find with him. He
also served right under Anakin the Clone Wars, which is
just a little bit cool. I think out of all
the characters in retrospect that would have really loved to
have seen mon Mathma do this speech would have been Padme,
because Padme is so politically passionate.
Speaker 2: It would have been I think she.
Speaker 3: Would have she's, well, yeah, she's she's dead. But I
think she would have been very proud because I mean
when you see her in Revenge of the Sith and
she's just like she already is ten steps ahead of everyone.
When Palpatine's like the first clact I got byre and
she everyone's clapping and she's like, this is how liberty dies.
Speaker 1: Bail, right, Bail was there too, He figured that out.
Speaker 2: Bail, Well, Bail came in late. You know, he's but
he came late.
Speaker 1: But that was also the same dude, like flying up
to the Jedi count like Temples was getting fucking burned down,
which as I watched it, I never understood why they
never actually killed Bail because as they're killing that young jungling,
he's like no, like he shows his full hand, He's
fully like not with the Empire, right, I think they.
Speaker 3: Would have well, again, they would have detained them. Their
main thing is they're killing Jedi. Anyone else is like okay,
like you're going to be detained and senators and whatnot.
Speaker 2: That's that's a different story, different stories.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to discount Padme for sure, But like
Baial's Bail was, who are the people that decide where
Luke and Lea goo it's yodobi Wan and Bail, right,
Like Baal's all over the end of Seth like he
was he he was on the squad there, he helped
the cover up, and he's in obi Wan, he's in
rogue one. He's here again.
Speaker 3: Again without him his help here. I mean then she
didn't want had a speech, so.
Speaker 1: You know, so obviously helps raise Princess Leah too, one
of the biggest things there, and that helps later on.
Speaker 2: So so we're not gonna get her in the show
or anything like that. But like what is going on
with Lea right now, like she's just so not not
knowing that the rebellions even going on. No, she knows.
Speaker 3: So yeah, again, this is one of those rebel things
we're in in Star Wars rebels, Like she's she's playing
the part of being a an imperial representative by being
Princess of Alderon, but on the down low, she's running
like smuggling missions and whatnot and trying like resupplyed refot
to five republicans or rebellion cells before this has started.
So by the time like this gets to a new Hope,
that's where you can see it, like they don't know.
Lea is basically like bad, bad, But that's when she's
trying to pull off that thing like we're on a
diplomatic mission to alder On or whatever, because she's playing
that innocent card like oh, we're just we're not part
of the rebellion, we're innocent. But it's all afront. She's
actively engaging with the rebellion right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, there you go, there you go, they'll do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think we'll see her here because I
just don't think. I was wondering if he's going to
drop the word when he's like, I can't join you
yet and everything, because there's you know, obviously he has
a daughter, like Mon has a daughter, but like she's
probably that daughter.
Speaker 2: No, she's long. That's another thing. I really thought we
were going to be getting at least like an appearance
of her at some point, but I don't think so. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I fin I thought even what they might do
is when they're showing everybody watching the speech, I thought
they're going to show her daughter watching the speech, whether
it be her accepting or yet or just yeah or
disgusted by it. Right. I thought we're gonna get that,
But uh no, that's something again. Type of characters have
given up a lot. She fucking it's awful. But she
used her own daughter as a tool to get in
with that criminal so they could loan to her money
so she could help fund the rebellion. You know, she
literally had to use her daughter as a chess piece
to get there. You know, it's like, that's a fuck man,
that's a that's a that's a sad. No. Well, I
think what I'm doing is I'm not gonna wait. I
would do that, but I'm not gonna wait to the
wedding night to let my daughter know, Like, hey, if
you want to walk away from this, I'd be like,
you gotta early on be like we're like I feel
like kind of like I just watch everyone. Bail kind
of does that with Princess Leah of like kind of
says like at times you're gonna have to just play
it cool so then you can, you know, overcome those obstacles.
Like he doesn't call it the empire, but pretty much
like people that are of that elk. Bail was better
at that where look at what princess doing. She's playing along,
but she knows, okay at the end, these are the
bad guys, and Mom, that's was her mistakes. She could have.
Oh she's got a lot going on. I think she
didn't want to get that far, but I think, yes,
that's what i'd been taking the bail route, where you
got to let them in on the the ruse a
little bit, you know, because then you get brainwashed. Like
her daughter was right. She was happy to marry this
fucking crime lord's son and be okay. I then talk
about generations and kids.
Speaker 2: You know, except for life. You know, she's got that
generational wealth.
Speaker 1: Until jack Who goes down. Though once that happens, well
that's the last battle after you know, Jack who Jack? Yeah,
Jack Who?
Speaker 3: Indaxter, she should have dropped one of those Lang quotes
from Avatar on her daughter, like.
Speaker 2: How go you think you're one of them? It's time
to wake up.
Speaker 1: No, I'm happy that we didn't make ship. You know
you don't come with me? Get married this fucking guy. Yeah,
I love there you go some someone Ai Stephen laying
into the mom off and but no, I'm I'm again
happy with that because it just makes it sad. But yeah,
I'll be interested if we even return those at all.
But I'll be excited next week to see mom Moffman
full like yeah I have in mode and hanging out
with people and giving, like being a true leader and
stuff like. I don't know where she's gonna be, but
she's still gonna be another speech.
Speaker 2: So is she still gonna be super well dressed like
she is she was?
Speaker 3: She does the white robes though, right, that's that's her
new look because that was what she was wearing in
Rope one.
Speaker 2: It's not as complex though as some of the crazy
outfits that she had before.
Speaker 3: Costume design gotta be realistic.
Speaker 1: She's on the road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for anyone that's listening that is not watched Rebels.
And of course they mentioned here like they want to
round her up to Gold Squadron and do give her
like a proper formal like follow up speech. That whole
speech is in is in Rebels, and I was checking
it out after I after I watched the episode, and
it was like it's an eight year old video, but
the comments were just with like hour ago, like tons
of people like here afterhand or season two. Oh, this
has such a change like dynamic now and all these
people like freaking out. So go you can go and
find that speech on Rebels if you're curious.
Speaker 1: Another thing I thought we were gonna get with him
on is I thought they're gonna Rena with their cousin,
but that didn't happen. I thought when they went to
the cousin checking all the guns and they're.
Speaker 3: Both in yavin now right, yeah, they're on Yavon.
Speaker 1: But like it's gonna come like a year later when
I'm sure they've probably seen each other. Right, I thought
there was gonna be because she hasn't seen her in
maybe two years, so I thought that was gonna be
a big moment because she even asked like and Or
used that right, like, hey, I know your cousin. We're
linked that way. They had the cousin doing the gun thing,
which did I miss something Taylor when she is like
the gun and the guy was like, that's my gun
and she's like, well whatever.
Speaker 3: So if you remember so in the prison sequence, and
Or befriended that one guy named Melchi and they escaped together.
That's the fact same guy who also was he was
one of the main guys that storms scaiff On in
Rogue one as well.
Speaker 2: So he's returning Rogue one character.
Speaker 1: Oh so he eyes yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know the significance of the loco and the
gun though, but it's it's cool that they're just they're
tying it all full swing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there you go. I wouldn't have known because
I didn't re watch and or so thank you to anything.
Let me show my notes if there's anything I missed here.
But I think we've hit on most of the main stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I really liked in the massacre. I like the bell
Hops little mini arc there that he is now oh
yeah one just like he had like a good back
and forth, and Or almost called him Andian and Or uh,
And I like that he is, you know, like he's
I'm sure he's not on the ball, yeah, but he's
definitely on the rebellion side, and he's helping certain people out.
And just when and Or and him when they say
goodbye to each other and they just fully break character
to know like they're with one another. And that's where again,
the show's so fucking good. This character has been in
two episodes had I don't know, maybe ten Man's probably
under the screen time one and I am invested in
this fucking bell hop. I want to see this guy
on the front line with Luke lan on Sola fighting
the rebellion again. Remake episode four with some of these
fucking characters. I get Sebashistan as Luke can always people right,
but it's just like I was like, oh, I'm invested
in this fucking character to see where he goes. When
he blows up the stormtroopers, he helps that family out,
like hell, yeah, you know, and they said that last
week of him being like I was a kid and
I saw that hole the target Masacre go down right,
and you could tell that it fucked with him, and yeah, can.
Speaker 2: You imagine we did get that remake, and like we
actually had these characters that were like introduced of like
big like pillars of of the Rebellion, and we like
see them as you know, the foot Soldiers of the Rebellion,
where we just see porkins for example, and he just
he just blows up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, probably least most propable, at least prophel stars.
They put out characters with we cast with Luke Leyan
Han and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I I, yeah, I love the sequence when they
like see each other again and then it's and he's
kind of talking in code because the chicks right next
to him kind of monitoring. But and then at the
end it's like, yeah, I can't help you with your
with your suitcase this time again. But I think you
know the way it just because because they don't say like,
oh I remember you, because he's using a different alias,
he can't just wrat him out right there. So I
just liked how the whole sequence played and agree with
everything else that you said there.
Speaker 3: I like the line too that they pulled again from
Rogue one where the bellhops like rebellions are built on hope.
That's exactly what Jenneroso says in the movie, so it's consistent.
Speaker 1: And that little Force user kind of she said something
about him still having hope as well too, so again
that's like for and Or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he's he's the messenger, which is funny,
like he's just supposed to help get the plans shop
to space and.
Speaker 1: That's that's technically that his messenger rights the first death Star.
So yeah, fortunately they build another one. But uh, and
my last note I had here is when he first
got back and Or and he saw a Bix until
they switched them sitting down. The shot is just from
like her chest up to her head. I thought for
sure she was pregnant, and she wasn't, but I thought
that was gonna be and I thought, oh man, they're
gonna fucking have and Or lose like Dix and his
kid or an unborn child. Wasn't all didn't happen all,
but just like for about fifteen seconds she was shot
with not showing her stomach, and I was like, what
are we doing here? That was just shot they went with.
I was like, oh, I was like, I'm gonna fucking
I'm gonna start bawling right here, and We're like he
also loses his woman and the kids like man, rogue
one is gonna break me. The next time, he's like,
you don't know what I've lost, Like he's already lost
a lot. But that I was like, oh my god.
But uh yeah, yeah, that's all my notes.
Speaker 2: I I might have been mistaken here. But the first
time that we go to like the Gorman Rebel guys,
like they're just they're just chatting, getting ready to uh
storm the gates more or less, and like I might
have been mistaken here, but like I swear they're one
guy that's like around the table, is that guy when
scentindize the guy's like what are doing? And then and
then he comes in there and then ends up carrying
sinta away. Uh you know, like that guy that like
caused that death. You know what I'm talking about. No, No,
it's when they're doing the mission. They're they're rating the cargo. Oh,
that random guy shows up and then it's like Mario, yeah, Mario.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mario. He was just back in the war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just with the crew.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, he was singing at the end. He
was doing the whole.
Speaker 2: Part. Like the revels guy he killed Cinta and and
then he's over here just doing these uh the joyous songs. Yeah,
it made no sense, like did they just not tell
this guy that they're doing this mission?
Speaker 1: So he clearly was down. He was against the empire,
he's for the rebellion. He's there on the boots, like
you could have saved that woman's life by just saying, hey,
we're doing some ship or even when walking, what are
you doing? Oh, we think the empire is like it's
not like a character. And even then it would have
been great if we like if that let's say, he
was like a no, they're not doing anything, and that
woman and dying was the moment where almost like for Sero,
that clicked of like, oh the Empire is bad and
I cast someone's life. But it's like already last week, Yeah,
he was making those speeches against them, So it wasn't
like an epiphany for him of oh shit, I'm on
the wrong side. I'm gonna switch over, because I could
have bought that and then see him this will be like, oh,
look that lady died, but that switched him over to
do good. He was already doing good, but he just
fucking had to wrestle that guy's gun out of his
hand and shoot her. It's like still, yeah, no matter what,
love this show. Uh probably still give it a ten,
but it's definitely out of most seasons, that has to
be the weakest link of this show. And so it
was such a weird, like we just want this girl
to die and give her a big speech. It's like,
there's so many ways you could have got there. Just
have a storm trooper fucking shooter, you know, like just yeah,
but yeah, it's good to see Mario back. And I
don't think we saw him die on screen though, right,
We just saw him holding his friend who got shot
in the gut. So maybe maybe he's on the avin.
He's gonna accidentally shoot a lot more people. What are
you doing? What are these transports? Middle night? He accidentally killed? Yeah?
Where you going? Where you going?
Speaker 3: He's just always in the wrong location.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's like strong as an ox, and they're like, fuck,
I'll keep him around.
Speaker 2: My last note is just on the I think he's
a general, I don't know, General Cairos or something was
his name, basically the one that's sent there to be
like co manager with Dedro Deadra's still running the operations,
but he's like the technical whatever. I can't remember what
party ass define their their roles were, but it was
just it was just kind of fun seeing it's not
like him and Dedre we're going like button heads, but
you could definitely tell like it's just you're kind of
in my territory here and stepping on my toes and
and and just just that dynamic. Is this like a
character that like has popped up in places before or.
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't recognize him at all. But
you're dealing with two different divisions where you have like
Imperial Navy and then you have ISB.
Speaker 2: Usually ISB is.
Speaker 3: A little bit more control and hierarchy in these situations
because they're like the ones that are like behind the scenes.
Like if you're in the Imperial Empire and you're fucking
around like breaking rank or whatever, the ISB is gonna
come down and hammer you out.
Speaker 2: So it's cool to see this.
Speaker 1: He's he's got his own comic kirk joke.
Speaker 2: Check okay, explains how we got that scar Yeah, but
then they wreckon it later on, so he's eating pussy.
Speaker 1: It's a scarface joke. You'll go watch Scarface, anything else,
say any notes ers at it? That's all I got
man two hours on full Like. It's a full like
movie review that we did for end Or. That speaks
to the quality of what we got here. And Yeah,
we're gonna be back next week to break it down.
Happily and sadly. We're coming to a close here on
and Or season two, but hopefully we go out with
a bang. I don't think this next week will be
as good as this, just because I feel like that
you can only hit the heights of this in one season.
It's hard to do that. I feel like next week's
gonna you're probably gonna get a fun I think next
week you're gonna get some episode episode where there's gonna
be a fun episode with and Or and K twos
so mess and stuff up. Whatever happens at eleven, that's
probably some heavy shit. And I bet twelve is a
lot of Like you should go watch Rogue one, like,
I bet it's a lot of that.
Speaker 2: Just keep it going. Yeah, let's go into Rogue one
new Hope.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be watching Rogue one after this. Yeah, and
I'll be watching Luckily, I'm about to watch New Hope
probably this weekend. So yeah, it's fun to be watching stuff.
I'll be looking out for mon Mathma and Bell Hop
guy and my my New Hope that him on Yavin
Is that him? But yes, Lady Jiven, we'll be back
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