WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:08.480 Hey, everybody, welcome to episode five of The Thunderbodies podcast. 2 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:11.119 And yes, that was clickbait you just clicked on. No, 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:13.320 I'm just kidding. We really will talk about leaks because, 4 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:14.480 believe it or not, it's. 5 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:16.960 Back in the news again. I was shocked when I 6 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:20.359 learned too. We're also gonna talk about why my beloved 7 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:23.640 segment in War Thunder is not beloved, and honestly, I 8 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:25.120 would be lying to you if it was. We're talking 9 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:27.280 about naval just in the smallest bit. And then we 10 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:30.120 got go over the ground br changes. We've talked about 11 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:32.880 the air last episode. Well now they are live and 12 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:34.719 we've got the ground ones before. You want to cover those? 13 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:36.320 Help you? 14 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:38.920 No, I would say they're major changes, but maybe more 15 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:39.920 interesting than the air ones. Won. 16 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:42.000 I think the air ones were easier for us to go. Yeah, 17 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:43.320 that makes a lot of sense. Some of the ground 18 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:45.320 ones were interesting, but we'll cover that. 19 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:49.240 How you doing Gil, I'm doing good. I'm tired, long week, 20 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:52.640 and it's my birthday today, so I don't know. 21 00:00:53.039 --> 00:00:56.079 Reduce, if you're watching this, comment happy birthday. 22 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:58.840 It's it's obviously going to be happy your birthday, but 23 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.600 just comment happy birthday. To go he's turning thirty five, 24 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:03.359 let's jump right into it. 25 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:03.840 Naval. 26 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:06.519 Look for those that don't know, I enjoy Navel and 27 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:08.519 war th Under, but it'll be really clear was to why. 28 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:11.319 It's because I love the ships. I love the battleships, 29 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:13.079 I love the cruisers. I love the history of it. 30 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.120 But even me, there was a point last year where 31 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:17.760 they did a big naval update that just kind of 32 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:20.400 made me go, this is probably going to tank things. 33 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:24.079 I guess kind of punt intended, and that was they. 34 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:27.359 Took essentially any skill required and war Thunder out particularly 35 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:28.920 an arcade, by making it. 36 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:31.359 Click and shoot. So if you don't, if you've never. 37 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.959 Played warth Under Naval, hop in literally point to where 38 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.280 you want to hit the opposing ship and click fire. 39 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:39.879 There you go. You're now literally as good and naval 40 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:40.319 as I am. 41 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:44.439 Yep, there's no second guessing anything. You just point and shoot. Yeah. 42 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:48.920 I uh yeah. I to be honest, I remember Naval 43 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:50.760 coming out, and I remember not caring because I'm not 44 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:52.959 a guy who really cares about ships like Rev does. 45 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:57.959 But I would say Guidens dropped the ball on making 46 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.519 it actually something that could be popular, and I think 47 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:03.400 a perfect example of that is World of Warships. Look 48 00:02:03.439 --> 00:02:06.760 how popular that game is. It's not like insanely popular 49 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:08.919 war Under has way more player base, but like a 50 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:11.680 whole game based around naval, and it's war gamings like 51 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:16.240 flagship game right now, and like all the collaborations, clearly 52 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.919 it works. So it's really not the topic that makes 53 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:23.280 naval unpopular. It's what could Guidon do to make it better? 54 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.360 And I think we both have a lot of opinions 55 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.879 on what could make Naval better because you know, as 56 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:29.759 people who make content of this game, I would like 57 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:31.719 for every bit of this game to be as good 58 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.080 as it could be. And I feel like Guiden has 59 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:36.599 really dropped Naval, especially with Infantry coming up. I feels 60 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:38.719 like they don't really want to make Naval good. So 61 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:40.800 what do you What do you think. 62 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.599 To your point about naval? And I know you're gonna 63 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:45.400 talk about this topic as well because we both agree 64 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:48.159 on this one. But it's not even just that World 65 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:51.280 of Warship exists to prove that naval can work. 66 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:53.400 It's the fact that we've had it in game work 67 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:55.479 and the immedia thing that I tend to always go 68 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:57.400 to and people who've played a long time like you 69 00:02:57.439 --> 00:02:59.719 have is we had an April Fool's event that was 70 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:02.599 sub marine based. To this day, people who played it 71 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:05.240 talk about being one of the best April Fools events. 72 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:08.520 Of all time. But that's literally a naval event. 73 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:13.439 I'm fairly certain. Sorry, I'm fairly certain I've done at 74 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:16.599 least two submarine events too. I don't remember if they 75 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:18.759 were both April Fools, but I definitely remember the Silent 76 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:21.680 Thunder I think was the name of the Nuclear Thunder one, 77 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:24.960 a nuclear submarine one. But then I remember a few 78 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.560 years ago they added I think there are World War 79 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:32.960 Two submarines in the files because I remember a fly 80 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.319 Daily video a few years ago of him loading up 81 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:40.240 a custom custom mission with one of the World War 82 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:43.199 Two submarines in a custom mission, showing it off and 83 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:46.120 saying this means submarines are coming soon and this and that, 84 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:49.759 but like nothing has ever come of it. And but yeah, 85 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.560 I going back to what would make naval good. I 86 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:54.879 don't think some marines are the solution to making it 87 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:57.080 more popular, but it definitely wouldn't hurt it. They just 88 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:01.120 had to find a way to balance them. And I personally, 89 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:03.159 I personally think it's there's a way to do it 90 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.280 where you could balance toe the line between realistic and 91 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.159 kind of you know, semi realistic to make sure that 92 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:13.639 they're not you know, incredibly slow and incredibly useless. But yeah, 93 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:16.680 I've voiced my opinion the guide in before on one 94 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:18.519 of their dev server on one of their dev live 95 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:24.360 streams about submarines, and I got kind of harassed by 96 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:26.480 one of the community managers saying that I didn't know 97 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.000 what I was talking about, and then his his family 98 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.040 worked on submarines and he knows how they would work. 99 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.279 And I don't understand that submarines don't make sense in 100 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:37.519 the game, and they're too slow, and they wouldn't do this, 101 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:39.519 and they wouldn't be useful, and they wouldn't do that, 102 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.079 and so I don't know. I think some marines would 103 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.160 be cool. I think they'd be I think that's a 104 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.000 good step in the right direction to probably make Naval 105 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.120 at least more interesting, to bring people back to it, 106 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:52.439 and then maybe like set up a road path start 107 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:55.319 with submarines, you know, and then from the submarines, and 108 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:58.120 as soon as you get people invested in playing Naval 109 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:00.519 a little bit, didn't have other things that you might 110 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:01.959 have an opinion on what they could do to make 111 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.839 it better, but they could just kick off a whole 112 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.360 roadmap of changes to like revitalize the game mode. I 113 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:10.240 think there's I mean, there's a lot of things. And 114 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:12.959 if you want to throw one in there before I 115 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:13.439 keep you going. 116 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:16.439 I will say that, like, I understand that infantry is 117 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:18.839 the focus, right, and you don't want to focus on 118 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:21.839 two major features at one time because as Mama used 119 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:25.120 to say, whole ass one thing, don't have pass two things, right, 120 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:28.639 So I get that, And to your point, I remember 121 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.279 there was an event. It was the Battle of the 122 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.480 Atlantic event I believe probably three years ago, was one 123 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:37.480 of those submarine events. And then war thunder Mobile, which 124 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.519 we as a group almost rarely ever talk about. It 125 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:42.279 feels like warth under Mobile is a whole different game. 126 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.040 But war thunder Mobile has at least at least they 127 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:46.800 did a couple of years ago. They had Nabel, they 128 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:48.759 had the USS tang in it and stuff like that. 129 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:53.000 And even if navl you know, the answer to fixing 130 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:54.920 Nabel isn't just adding submarines. 131 00:05:55.040 --> 00:05:58.160 I do think it's clear there are people. 132 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.439 Who want that, but yeah, the. 133 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.399 Underlying answer has to be it has to be a good, fun, 134 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.560 engaging mechanic, and even as a guy who loved like 135 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:07.680 I was very excited about the Amato coming out. I 136 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:09.600 remember talking to the CEO and like, hey, I really 137 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:12.199 want to show people this and just go ahead and 138 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:14.680 acknowledge the shill that is reduced. I had a lot 139 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:17.199 of people invest in the Amato in the Iowa because 140 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:18.000 I was playing it. 141 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:20.120 They wanted to play with me, so they also went 142 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:22.160 after it. But I also won't sit. 143 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:24.560 Here and lie to the viewers and say, yeah, Navel's 144 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:28.439 banging gameplay, It's just as exciting as Tempoint Oh Tanks. 145 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:29.519 It's not. No. 146 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:32.639 You know the thing to enjoy in Navel right now, 147 00:06:32.800 --> 00:06:35.120 and I enjoy it again because I like the collection. 148 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:37.000 It's the most fun part of me is if you've 149 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:39.480 got a nice set of headphones, listening to those sixteen 150 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:42.600 inch guns of the Iowa go off is literally orgasmic. 151 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.720 But in terms of gameplay, no, Navel is not good 152 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.439 as gameplay, and I want it to be because the 153 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:50.600 great thing about war Thunder is not only is it 154 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.240 a game trying to be realistic, but it's a game 155 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:54.279 that has everything. 156 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:56.680 Yeah, but not all the things are equally as good. 157 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:00.800 Yeah, I agree, and yeah warth Under going back to 158 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.839 that real quick, it does have naval and it does 159 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.399 have submarines, so all the time I think they're a 160 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.879 permanent feature, but. 161 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.199 Obviously can't tell we don't really do those. 162 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.680 So yeah, so mobile mobile is very arcadie though, And 163 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:18.199 that's how That's how I was told by the community manager. 164 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.480 Was the reason that they work in mobile but they 165 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:25.040 wouldn't work in the full client version is just because 166 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:28.879 it they're arcadified in mobile to make them work. And 167 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:32.160 I'm like, well, you can you take creative liberties with 168 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:33.920 other things in this game all the time, so why 169 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.720 can't you take some creative liberties to make them balanced? 170 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:37.839 You know, everything in this. 171 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.120 Game Stream Terminator right now. 172 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:43.439 Like everything in this game. They always use the excuse 173 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.759 of balance, this balance that you know. 174 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:50.680 But it's like sometimes you think that is an important discussion. Yeah, 175 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.639 but we're talking about naval. And again I say this 176 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:55.399 to everybody. If you are out there and you enjoy 177 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.040 NAVL with me, I'm not doubting you or me, but 178 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:00.519 if you're just being objectively honest, if you're coming out 179 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.319 there with like your battleships like IOM, how many people 180 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:05.279 are in your match, there's usually about six of us 181 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:06.519 counting both sides. 182 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:09.439 In the rest are bots. That's not fun, and that's 183 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.199 the byproduct of Naval simply being an underutilized and an 184 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:15.000 underappreciated form. 185 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.120 By guide it not by us. It's not player's fault. 186 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.959 Players will play what is fun. I fully believe that 187 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:23.680 take a look at all these events, people might moan 188 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:25.959 and groan. They might even come into our streams and stuff. 189 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:27.480 I'm like, man, I really hate this, but guess what 190 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:29.800 they're going to grind for that make seventeen because secretly 191 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:30.519 they really want it. 192 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.360 But they will not secretly grind for the naval stuff. 193 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.600 They'll just nope, not touching it. That's a problem on 194 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:38.200 the game, not on the players. 195 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:41.759 Yeah, there's always three major points that I always bring 196 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:45.480 up in my community. Ask me about what Navel really needs, 197 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.080 and I always think the first one is maps. I 198 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:49.919 think the second one, I think they should work on 199 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:52.639 adding more variety and ship types like submarines. It doesn't 200 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:54.519 have to be just somemarnes. We don't have to rely 201 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:58.559 on some renes completely. But I think maps, ship types, 202 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.559 And then I said, I think just a general rework 203 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.559 of how the multi branch works in naval. So like 204 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:08.919 how planes are pretty much useless in naval and it's 205 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.200 because the automatic gunners and stuff like that, So I'll 206 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.600 start with that one. I think the automatic gunners are 207 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.159 incredibly overpowered, and I think it really takes the fun 208 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:17.799 out of it because a lot of people, if you 209 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:20.840 play naval and you've never played naval, well, you still 210 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:22.759 want to bring in your favorite planes that you've worked 211 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:24.840 for in the past. And if you bring your favorite 212 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.159 planes in, you're just gonna get absolutely smoked by some 213 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:29.960 guy who's not even he doesn't even know you're there. 214 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.320 He's not even paying attention to you. He's just gonna 215 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:35.600 nail you for his AI gunners that had you know you. 216 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.960 He just radomly gets to kill everyone's played naval. You're 217 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:39.279 just sitting there shooting a ship and all of a 218 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:42.600 sudden aircraft kill. Well, that's great, you know. Yeah, It's 219 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:43.639 like I mean, even. 220 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.559 If you've never played naval, they're even It's hilarious because 221 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:48.559 if you play ground, for example, you have to deal 222 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.919 with cast especially early a mid tier, you've got very 223 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:53.360 few defenses against them. 224 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:55.320 But in navl I'm trying to remember. 225 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.440 Is it a four point zero coastal ship that has 226 00:09:57.519 --> 00:09:58.919 literal like heat seeking. 227 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.720 Yes, yeah, the douglast that it doesn't have to speakers, 228 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.919 but yeah, it's got like it. 229 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:06.039 Has missiles that can you know, take out air, which 230 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:09.320 is absolutely crazy because again if you've never played Nabel, 231 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:10.600 there's just simply a toggle. 232 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.759 Would you like your AA guns to fire at small ships, 233 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:15.080 planes or both? 234 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:17.679 Yeah, and that's all you do, just toggle one or 235 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:20.600 the other and everybody just immediately goes air. That way, 236 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:23.799 all your AA takes out anything within like a mile. 237 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:27.440 Yeah. And I think a good balance for that would 238 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:31.559 be your small destroyers or your coastal ships that are 239 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:35.320 focused on anti air defense, like you know, fleet anti 240 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.240 air defense. I think those players should be able to 241 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.120 spot air targets like it is for ERRORB. You know, 242 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.519 it puts a spot over their head that and then 243 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:50.080 remove people's efficiency of their AI anti air. So like 244 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:53.080 you as a player, like, hey, air alert, there's a 245 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:56.200 plane up, You're friendly, just spotted that plane. You need 246 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.000 to switch over to your anti air and handle that. 247 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.120 And I think that would make planes a little bit 248 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.720 more useful. You can make planes a bit a little 249 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:05.080 bit more expensive and not just destroying everybody. But I 250 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:07.480 think that would be a good balance to the planes. 251 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:09.840 I would agree that there's some good stuff there. 252 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:12.480 I mean I would also throw in that again if 253 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:13.360 you're getting into. 254 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:14.200 How naval works. 255 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:18.159 One reason I believe that naval fails compared to air. 256 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:19.639 Y'all heard me talk about ARARB. 257 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.279 Well, let me tell you why Navel's worse, because at 258 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.080 least in ARRB plane types matter, right, you don't play 259 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.879 every jet the same. The sad truth of war Thunder 260 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.240 Navel is you basically play everything the same, whether it's 261 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:34.000 a destroyer or a battleship. It's basically all point click. 262 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:36.759 And I think that there should be more depth in 263 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:39.399 terms of screening, like if you're in a destroyer, your 264 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.200 ability to screen for your bigger ships should matter and 265 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:45.159 pay off. Like if you successively screen with a smoke 266 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:47.320 screen or something, you should get silver lions for that. 267 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:49.600 There needs to be more depth in it. There's also the. 268 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:52.559 Low hanging fruit of we have aircraft carriers in game, 269 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.200 but we can't play aircraft carriers in the game. 270 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:58.080 Yeah, you can go land on them though in AIRARB 271 00:11:58.200 --> 00:11:58.720 if you want to. 272 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:01.120 Yeah, And it's weird that we don't have aircraft carriers, 273 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.320 even static ones in naval. Isn't that hot? Like why 274 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.759 would why do we not get just why if you 275 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:09.960 are a naval plane in naval you have to go 276 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:15.039 land on some far away like beach airfield or you 277 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:18.799 get to water land. Why do we not have carries? Yeah, 278 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.039 like what if you don't get shot down, just you're 279 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:23.840 gonna just leave because like you're fly fifteen miles away, 280 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:25.919 you know, like it's I don't know why there's not 281 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.080 even I don't I don't need to control a carrier, 282 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.080 but it'd be kind of cool just to have carriers 283 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.879 add some variety, you know, Like and then even if. 284 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:36.240 There was and I know we're so hesitant to ever 285 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:38.279 say bots are okay, but even if there was AI 286 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.080 bot carriers. 287 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:42.240 That launched a couple of planes, I had a little 288 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:43.039 bit of depth. 289 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:44.919 To be cool. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, and they 290 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.759 could have a game mode because I think another main issue, 291 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:49.480 and that really ties into one. I'm saying they need 292 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.039 better maps because I think the maps are really what's 293 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.480 holding back naval. I mean, if you look at well 294 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:56.200 the warships, they have a lot of variety, have a 295 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:57.879 lot of islands you can hide behind. They have a 296 00:12:57.879 --> 00:12:59.440 lot of this, They have a lot of that warth 297 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:02.240 on their most time at Coastal. It's kind of like that, 298 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.080 you know, the coastal maps are pretty cool, but when 299 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.279 you get to the higher tier Navel, you pretty much 300 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:10.360 spawn on the open ocean fifteen miles away from the 301 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:12.639 other team on and you just start shooting each other. 302 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:15.519 And the issue is is a giant circle in the 303 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.600 middle of the teams that somebody might sneak their way 304 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:21.559 into and cap before they die, or no one touches 305 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:23.000 it at all, and so the game mode is just 306 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:27.360 pretty much team deathmatch. So they could even like bring 307 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:30.879 in a carrier fleet, an AI carrier fleet on behind 308 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:33.960 both spawn points that are slowly progressing into the map, 309 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:36.960 and you win if you just sink their whole carrier fleet. 310 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:38.679 You know, it's kind of like a like a battle 311 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.240 station specific kind of thing, you know. That'd be kind 312 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.080 of cool. And those AI carriers as long, you know, 313 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:46.799 the benefit of sinking the other carriers, they would be 314 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.120 launching just AI wings of torpedo bombers that would seek 315 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:51.879 you out and stuff like that. That would be really cool. 316 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:53.360 It'd be a lot of cool variety, and I think 317 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.159 a lot of that just map in game mode changes 318 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:59.000 would make it way way more interesting. And yeah, and 319 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:01.879 then some marines on top of that they could benefit 320 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:02.360 from cool. 321 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:06.480 Maybe maybe the issue is war th Under as a community, 322 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:09.000 has it leaked the secret details of all these ships, 323 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:12.639 because leading into our next topic is a topic that 324 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:14.600 many of you who have followed war th Under for 325 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:17.320 any amount of time have had some version of come 326 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:18.039 across your. 327 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:21.840 Desk leaks as in military documents as it pertains to 328 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.320 war Thunder. Now, this topic is a little bit different, 329 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:26.120 and if he's just straight up with y'all, we're not 330 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:27.080 taking sides on it. 331 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:29.159 We're certainly not using this as any. 332 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.000 Type of clickbait, but I do think it's worth y'all 333 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:32.840 knowing because we learned about it, we read about it, 334 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:35.919 we find it interesting. It's that now was slightly different 335 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:40.000 in instead of being player led leaks, it's we find out, 336 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:43.759 potentially allegedly to be very clear for any cms or 337 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:47.879 guides in listening, allegedly, yeah, leaks from within the department 338 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:50.440 itself saying yeah, we're definitely using this type of content 339 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:53.399 in these documents. So let's where do you see when 340 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.600 you think about this and how big do you even 341 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:56.000 think it is? 342 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.240 So for the people who haven't seen it, it just 343 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:03.279 came out yesterday. One of a thirteen year old veteran 344 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.840 at at Guidgin, a community manager, came out and said, 345 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:13.960 here's information that Guigen has used classified documents supposedly knowingly 346 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:18.480 that they're illegal to develop the game, and a whole 347 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:22.559 bunch of other things. Like he also potential like like 348 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:30.480 you know, allegedly saying that Guiagin has motorcycle gui what's 349 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:37.399 happening today? Allegedly Guidien's anti cheat is also allegedly taking 350 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:41.200 more information than it should from its users, and that 351 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:44.519 Guidgin is, well, that's maybe non Allegedly Guideen is also 352 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:49.039 using their own bias to artificially nerf or buff certain vehicles. 353 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:50.639 So there's there's a lot of. 354 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:51.399 That last one. 355 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:54.200 Let's just go on, we already know that happens. Yeah, 356 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:58.399 and I'll even go a step further and break y'all's hearts. Look, 357 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:00.720 if they were based in America, they do the same 358 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:01.240 thing from. 359 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:02.639 The opposite end of the pressure if. 360 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:04.799 They are based in the UK. So that one, even 361 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.360 though it annoys me as a player doesn't bother me. Yeah, 362 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:09.360 I do see why of the other aspects, And just 363 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:11.799 to throw this out there, the reason we're saying allegedly 364 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.799 and stuff is all these screenshots are coming from discords 365 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.039 ending up on reddits. We don't actually have the devs 366 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:20.799 and cms here saying yes or no. Yeah, but it's 367 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:23.120 still stuff where we've seen this happen and we know 368 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:24.360 there's some credibility to it. 369 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:27.759 Yeah, it's it's and I can't really speak on anti cheats, 370 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:32.639 you know, taking more information allegedly than than they're supposed to, 371 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.240 or stealing your documents or selling your information. I don't know. 372 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.159 I don't have anything to add about that because I 373 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:40.159 don't think either one of us know how that really works. 374 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:44.000 And we're not developers. And once again it's one disgruntled 375 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:47.799 ex guides and employee posting this on you know, on 376 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:52.679 Discord and on Reddit. My god, apparently all the red 377 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:56.480 Knicks are out today. I don't know if they don't 378 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.960 viewers can hear that or not, but uh, you know, 379 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:03.720 it's I think it's one disgruntled ex employee who probably 380 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:06.920 didn't get his way and now is on Discord causing 381 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.279 a hoot and holler to try to get back at guiding, 382 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:13.119 or they might have some say to it. So both 383 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:14.559 could be true, to be both could be true. 384 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:15.960 Yeah, those things could be true. 385 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:17.359 Both could be true, And I think a lot of 386 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.799 it would go into the morality of this individual. You know, 387 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.680 if you only come out and say something after you 388 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.880 don't work there anymore, or after you got fired, why 389 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:28.839 did you not say something before? Sort of thing, you know, 390 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:31.119 like if it's if it's that big of a moral issue, 391 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:31.480 you know. 392 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.359 Those ethics and morality debates are always like, it's easy 393 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:37.880 for people to have them. And again we're not telling 394 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:39.799 y'all how to feel about it in either way. In fact, 395 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:41.599 we would encourage you go read for yourself. 396 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:42.759 You come to your own conclusion. 397 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:43.240 It is interesting. 398 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.039 But I also say, you know, you know, like, for example, 399 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.240 let's just say you're a man with three kids like 400 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:48.759 this guy. 401 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:50.799