Speaker 1: Frankfurt, the East West Rid. If you detest the German
line press, corrupt journalists and regime tv ard ZDF, signed
Spiegel faz Suadh, then you wanted doctor Rito Wolfcott to
live forever. If you believe in truth, freedom of speech,
and democracy, then you want.
Speaker 2: So. He died in twenty seventeen, a couple of years
after that from a heart attack. I wonder if he
was hit with the heart attack gun on next ten dollars.
I feel bad for Germans. They've been handed a horrific
hand for seventy five years. Gibil Kane. If God has
won and shares his glory with no one, then how
is the Trinity true? Well, even in the Old Testament
he says that he does share that glory with his
angel and with his spirit. So you can watch my
video here the Trinity and the Old Testament. So you
have to understand in context and interpret that with all
of the other texts. So something can be one and
many in different ways. And even the rabbis admitted that
there was multiplicity in God. So does that mean that
he shares his glory with his multiple attributes, his multiple
emanations or manifestations. So you understand the same question can
be asked of a Unitarian whether they're Muslim or whether
they're Jewish. But I have multiple videos covering this the
Jewish trinity right here. My main Trinity video is not
coming up though. We're going to open up, by the way,
two questions in a second. Where is that whether Islamer
Christianity actually has continuity with the religion that's laid down
in the Law and the prophets and that image there.
We're not going to go two deep into right now,
but we'll get in. That's the opening statement for the
Daniel who could get your debate. Oh, I notice it.
I need to just retddle this one too. It just
needs to all be trinity in the Old Testament. Here
it is this one here Isaiah says, this one will
go into the other passages that say that. When it
says he doesn't share his glory with another, he doesn't
share his glory with a creature, it doesn't mean he
doesn't share his glory with his spirit or with his
son or the Angel of the Lord, the Angel of Yahweh.
So the Old Testament says both. And you can't pick
one passage and say, aha, this passage and not the
other passages. It's all of them read in concert. That's
the only way to interpret the scriptures. Andrew, how does
Theosis avoid the super legalism that you find in Islam,
Judaism and Papism. I mean, it's just the I mean,
everybody believes and knows that the Orthodox fronema is not
temutick and not legalistic. It's our mindset and only Orthodoxy,
in my view, is really maintained that fronema or that mindset.
In the Roman Catholic world, they got so legalistic and
into Kazustrie with canon law that they basically became telmudick.
And then you have a reaction against that a Vatican two.
So now they're sort of basically just water down Protestants
post Vatican Two. But Nantium Emperor three dollars. People say
Jay doesn't leave people Orthodoxy because he's mean and debates.
They don't know about your work on geopolitics. Brings a
whole group of people to become away of Orthodoxy because
he started being interested in that first. Oh thank you.
I'm speaking from my own recent experience. Merry Christmas. Merry
Christmas too, our great Lord Emperor, the Banantium orangutangus the first.
He's the Emperor Panantium. None of your business to do ours.
The gambler's fallacy that you're talking about is very important
to address because typically the human mind will address other
lies and then use it to not believe a claim
even if the claim is true. Yeah, exactly, exactly. You
understand too. A lot of these fallacies, like they're not
just in the domain of logic and nerd shit, Like
it comes home to roost with propaganda and advertising. And
you know, when you're at the Christmas dinner and Thanksgiving dinner,
family dinner and everybody's arguing about politics or whatever, you
got to deal with, you know, uncle shitlibs fallacies, right,
So it really just depends on it's In other words,
fallacies are present everywhere, even if we don't notice it.
Ac says, for another five dollars sweet candy, it's flooding
the zone with conspiracy candy. Exactly. That's exactly what's going on.
Andrew two dollars is debating Catholics are Protestants easier? Uh,
they're about nobody's I don't mean this in a douchey way,
but like they're not really any different at this point,
because look, modern Protestantism is really not a whole lot
different from modern nova sorto Catholicism. I mean, they're all
pretty much the same Protestant position, you know what I mean, Like,
they're not that different. They're all pretty much picking and
choosing out of these vast troves of documents what they
want to work. The only difference is that the Protestants
are picking and choosing from the Bible as they're tro
of documents, and the Roman Catholics have tens of thousands
of pages of more documents. So for me, because I
used to be a trad cat and a Protestant, it's
not hard. But I think if you were coming to
the table, you would probably find it easier to debate
Protestants because there's less documents to read. If you want
to get into, you know, Roman Catholic apologetics, you got
to be familiar with all these people and cyclicals and
all blah blah blah on on on. Robert says Candace
has lost it. I might have read that one, I remember,
but uh yeah, it looks like she's definitely going in
the wrong direction. Since there hypocrite, the schizos are engaged
in false stylectics. Exactly every time I point out a
significant problem, as Alex was doing in her claims. You
work for bb you're getting bb bucks. No, I'm getting
BB Bucks. I get Dugan Bucks. Dougan Coin, MK says
for five dollars. Did you read Wolf Couta's book Prostitutes. No,
I didn't even know that he had a book, although
now I'm interested in it because he apparently was gotten
rid of. Mike bens did a great deep dive on USAID.
I'm familiar with that and how they fund the journalists
globally even today. Now, I was aware of Mike Benz's
USAID deep dives, and we have also shared and covered
some of that same material. But yeah, that would perfectly
vibe with Udo's book, which I didn't even know existed.
I don't have to get that. Octavian, our favorite fellow Bipop,
says Jay, since you're black, you have an afronema instead
of a pronema. Exactly exactly. Y'all know what's up. Listen,
Candice is not the real queen. This is the real queen,
and it's time for all of y'all legitimates to come
to my defense and dethrone the queen and put the
real queen back on the throne. Banana up the butt
fifty dollars. Now we got what's his name, TJ. Kirk.
We've got TJ. Kirk in the audience going under the
code name Banana up the butt fifty dollars. People still
think everything's monolithic. They think the CIA is pro Western,
so there's no way it would fund the Frankfurt School exactly.
They wouldn't understand that it would attack Sovietism and create
a co operted Western left with critical theory. Absolutely. Yeah.
I put that in my second book almost ten years ago.
This is then, by their own means to create a
pseudo societal division. Exactly. Banana up the butt got a funky,
stanky name, but he knows what he's talking about. He
knows what he's talking about. Now. That's real conspiracies. OSS
and CIA funding and working with the Frankfurt School against Soviets.
That's a real conspiracy and that's documented, dude. They brag
about it. Everybody's going all in on Dogan coin. Uh listen,
Putin's gonna rug pull the market and then dougan coin
when it goes down to point two cents per coin.
I'm gonna buy it up. I'm gonna dump all my bitcoin,
put it all in dogan coin, and then doogan Coin
goes to the moon and replaces Bitcoin. Then I will
buy out Michael Saylor, take over all of his bitcoin,
and then dump all of his bitcoin and put it
into dogan Coin. Then Putin takes over the world and
Dan Payna ends up vindicated because Dan Pagna said, the
worst boomer on the face of the planet said that
Putin created bitcoin. Brian says, for five dollars, do I mean,
why does it? Maybe Candice the new Oprah Queen, she
could just have Dan Payna on and they could expose
Putin for creating bitcoin. That's a that's the level of
this stupid shit now, Brian says, can I, as an
orthodox view, Moses allowing divorce as ecuantommeia, I would actually
say that it's a pretty good example of economia. And
then Jesus clarified that this wasn't the original intention in
Genesis but was due to hardheartedness. Yeah, I actually think
that's a pretty I haven't thought about it, but off
the top of my head, it's a pretty good example.
Lean good at lean, Lean says, for five dollars, Jay,
what do you think about the absurd way that Erica
Kirk was grieving? I do think there's legitimate questions there. Again,
I am not pro I'm not everybody falls in these dialectics.
Oh so you think TPUSA is like this great, awesome
Protestant organism. No, not ever said that. Again, guys, I
did podcasts calling out megachurches as money laundering scam things
with John Adams ten years ago. Afternoon Commute hoaxbusters call
you can find those still. Candace is Oprah is a stretch, bro.
It's an analogy, you dummy. I mean, good god man.
You guys in the audience are just y'all need some
help today. Y'all don't understand jokes and analogies that they don't.
The answer is no, Jay, they do not. The audience
and the people now are hit with the tard gun.
Everybody's tard maxing. I'm sorry, y'all are tard maxing. It's
not my fault. I've been here trying to save y'all
from tard maxing, and you just want to rush headlong
into being tard maxers. Go for it. Have fun. It's
the same as all y'all dummies shit talking bitcoin for
the last ten years to me, and then bitcoin goes
up and y'all dummies stay broke, and you still shit
talk to me that bitcoin's going to zero. Okay, hf
SP have fun. Go for it. And you want to
follow tard conspiracies into oblivion, go for it. Have fun.
I don't care like you're not. It doesn't hurt me. Dude,
you want to. You wanta tard max go for it.
I gave. I gave Sweet Candy the benefit of the doubt.
I listened to three weeks of our shows, and the
whole narrative with this tard fell apart, and all y'all
want to double down. Good be dumb, like, go be dumb.
Nobody is stopping you from tard maxing, and you're all
getting really good at it too. You're like expert tard maxers.
Now we're gonna open it up. You could call in
on any topic. I don't care you want to. I
know all the atheists want to call this tugwork. If
you want to do the tag argument for the thousands
of times, call in, go for it. Let's do it.
You want to call in and explain that sweet candy,
sweet chocolate candy. See sweet chocolate candy, sweet dropping in?
You dropped ya? You want to show that I'm getting
Bebi bucks. Go for it, dude, bring it out, Bring
out that information to expose I'm exposed, Ja Daiah. I'm
expose him because he dared to go against the real
queen of the Internet. Mm hmmm. By the way, Nicholas
Cage made it under my Christmas tree right there, look
at that. Oh, here we go. Jay is Putin part
of the CIA. Jay, what do you think of Putin?
He seems more moral than the CIA. My go arch
deacon dislikes him and says that he's not Orthodox. Well,
I mean, go arch just does whatever the ep in
the State Department told him to do. So I don't.
I don't put my hope and trust not in princes
and sons of men, as the liturgy says, I don't
put my hope in Putin. If Putin does something good, good,
If Trump does something good good. If they do something bad, well,
it sucks. So at least I'm not getting asked on
a daily basis, what do you think of elon? Good God? Dude?
For like three years straight, I was asked, what do
you think about Eon? And then for like five years,
what do you think of Putin? What do you think
of Trump? All right, if you want to call in,
call in, let's do it. What's up, dude? I need
some water? I need some water? What's up?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 4: Ye?
Speaker 5: But you get to somewhere quiet real fast.
Speaker 6: As I'm not work, I'm heading out the door now.
Speaker 2: Damn? Why'd you do that?
Speaker 7: First?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 2: You tar Maxine man? I'm just joking. What do you
think of Buden? Biden is a hero? That's what I think.
That's my boy right there, Me and Biden go sniffing together.
I called Biden my pooch because I like the way
he sniffs. Are you are you ready? Did you get
outside the welding factory at the welding company, the welding corporation.
I'm just joking. Luca Diary's making fun of the middle class.
Lucatar's making for the middle class exposure. It's just a joke, dude.
The other thing, too, is like, I don't I just
cannot stomach the people that can't joke around and laugh
because there's like ten comments on the Sampson Man video.
This is no question.
Speaker 1: This is not moral.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's up? Man? Did you get out of the
welding factory? What's up?
Speaker 6: I'm you?
Speaker 2: Where's all the haters at, all the debaters at I'm.
Speaker 9: Right here, I'm right here.
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 6: Man, I'm gonna expose you?
Speaker 2: Please? Do I've been waiting.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I thought he was actually gonna do something.
Speaker 10: No, I gotta, I gotta actually got a serious question
for you. I'm a I'm a I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: I just hold on, is it? Is it a question?
Or is it a question?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 2: That's of course. Okay, good, That's that's all. I'm only
taking questions today at taking no questions. I'm only taking questions, okay.
Speaker 10: So uh, No, I just wanted to know your thoughts
on John McArthur because I recently, I recently came across
him and the last few week years.
Speaker 2: Are you joking? You're joking?
Speaker 11: No, No, I'm not.
Speaker 10: I just wanted to know your thought I'm not saying
that I'm a huge fan or believer in the things
that he says.
Speaker 6: I just came across.
Speaker 10: From in a few years and I find them to
be like less outwardly charismatic I'm not sure if his belief,
but like, I'm sorry, I just want.
Speaker 2: To It's okay. I still love you. Go back to
the welding though, Go back to the welding corporation, dude,
because you get back on that welder and put them
headphones in, and we gotta we gotta edumacate you because
you are misinformed, my friend, You sir, are misinformed. Okay,
we are gonna have to edgumicate you. You're going to
be in the.
Speaker 12: Jaydre re education camp right now, my son, because John
MacArthur is a goblin, a demon, a boomer toward.
Speaker 2: Okay, the song that I played today, that's the only
fitting song for that guy. Goblin Calvinism, Jay Dyer, that's
your prompt.
Speaker 9: Okay, And I'm going to say that the first two
that come up here are both good places to start
in terms of deep king.
Speaker 2: John m Orfer. Okay, there's this one right here, hour
and eight minutes, this one right here. Calvin is repew
apart one and I don't even remember I know John
MacArthur is some kind of Calvinist. Is he also a
believer in charismatic gibberish? Is he one of those I
can't remember. I haven't even thought about John MacArthur in
so many years. Last time I saw a clip of
John MacArthur, he was complaining that Trump said a cuss word.
And I'm like, dude, of all the things to complain about,
that's your complaint. That's why people are just so sick
of evangelic hypocristy, like okay, yeah, so Epstein and compromising
and graping youths. No, no, that's not the thing to criticize.
It's cusswords. This is the stupid hypocrisy of evangelicals. It's
just absolutely infuriating. They will focus on Trump.
Speaker 13: Trump one time's grab a vagina little my goodness, I
can't believe that a PRINSI did was speaking such an
improper way. Why don't we bomb all the Gospel people
for Israel? Goal it's applesap, who's next, Elijah?
Speaker 2: What's up? What's up? Dog? Hey? Her? Yes, sir? Hey,
how you doing?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm good and bad at the same time.
Speaker 6: Sorry, my mice released lar right now.
Speaker 3: So I have some questions about Orthodoxy.
Speaker 14: I'm learning a lot about it, and I come from
a hyper calvinistic Baptist church.
Speaker 6: Very similar to like the particular Baptist from England like
eighteen hundreds and stuff like that.
Speaker 14: And so the gist of my question what I'm really
trying to get down to is, I know, Orthodoxy teach
succession through the apostles and apasolic authority. The Church I
come from teach us as purely doctrinal succession, and I
know I'd be harder to find that in the first
few centuries, since you don't really have a scripture to
lay down doctrine because you don't have it organized.
Speaker 2: I mean, we have church fathers who teach doctrines in
the first few centuries, and they don't teach anything anything
close to what Baptists teach. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: Uh, That's why I get back.
Speaker 14: I mean, at the same time, the Church I come from,
they they claim the you know, Baptist succession.
Speaker 3: And through all those culture, which is I know, pseudohistory bullshit.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, But now that we do have a confirmed can.
Speaker 3: Of scripture.
Speaker 14: That either even non Orthodox have access to, what do
we do with arguments that seemingly.
Speaker 6: Do contradict Orthodoxy And.
Speaker 14: Would there be any excuse to anyway to establish an
alternate church there?
Speaker 2: Well? Hold on an alternate church.
Speaker 15: What do you mean, Well, I mean just just establish
a denomination outside of Orthodoxy that could be considered basically
a scriptural church.
Speaker 2: No, look, let's look at again. You need to read
first and second Timothy, because if you read it and
pay attention, you'll notice that Paul's very clear that Timothy
is who Paul gave authority to teach in ephesis. Okay, Yeah,
I charge you to teach in ephesis. Okay. And then
he says later on that he laid hands on Timothy,
and he tells Timothy not to hastily lay hands on
anyone else because the gift of the Holy Spirit is
transferred through the laying on of hands. He doesn't say
anything about a purely doctrinal succession. He says, I gave
you the authority to teach in ephesis. He says, I
was appointed by Christ. Now you're being appointed by me
to preach in ephesis. He says, no one else should
teach this doctrine in ephesis. But who's appointed? So where
is this idea that it's only a doctrinal succession and
not an actual succession that is a laying on of
hands doctrine and laying on of hands, it's both, right.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I guess if you're going to suppose that it's
only a toatural succession, you had to suppose that Jesus
Christ did keep his promise that he made you the church,
that he send the Holy Spirit to lead into the
Try to come.
Speaker 3: Out to it right denying that?
Speaker 14: And see the reason I'm so stuck on it is
because I've been part of this church my whole life,
of my uncle and family who are pastors and stuff
like that. So like, was the only thing that you've
heard for so long?
Speaker 2: Kind of sure, But.
Speaker 3: Have you heard of Hassel's History?
Speaker 14: Hassel's Church History written by a god named Sylvester Hassel. No, Okay,
it's a really long book on Baptist history and it
basically teaches Baptist successionism.
Speaker 2: But just just go read the actual church fathers, dude,
instead of reading all this retarded you know, like Trail
of Blood crap. Man, that's nonsense. Just go read the
actual church fathers and you're going to see that they
teach what Paul teaches to Timothy. Right. Remember that through
the laying on of hands, the Holy Spirit is given. Okay,
No Baptist teaches that historically and Baptists that are Trail
of Blood Baptist that you're talking about. They will actually
say anti Trinitarian groups are in this lineage. How stupid
is that that alone is a kill shop anti Trinitarian
groups that the that the Trail of Blood lists. Let
me show you. I think they even include h Gnostics too,
don't they. Let's see, I need a I need a
big look at that followed the full size in but
we follow Jesus America and the Nation of Israel. Well,
I can't even see it. Dude. You should have boomers
over here uploading their Trail of Blood and it's not
even full size landmark Baptist church Trail of Blood friends,
Come on, dude, I just want a full sized version
of your tard chart. Come on, dude, all right, let's
pick the large ones. I just want to picture doll. Brother.
Here we go, brother, So here is the primitive Baptist chart,
the Trail of Blood as it's cold. These are the
true Christians and each centry friend, by the way, they
think the infant Baptism came to be in the year
three hundred. This is so stupid. So who are the
true Christians. Well, there's a few of them in England
and Wales. In Italy, Montanists look at that. So Charismatics here, Donutists,
cathari Paulicians, all Virgensians. They're actually they link themselves to
anti Trinitarian groups in order to find the true success.
I will say though, that at least the Landmark Baptists
have the idea that at least there has to be
a historic church, so they've at least got that much
of it. They're just historic church is a bunch of conflicting, contradictory,
openly heretical groups, including anti Trinitarians. So what does that
tell you, Rachel?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 11: Yes, hello, I was just calling in to ask if
the blood Trail thing is in any way related to
the blood Moon pies of Israel.
Speaker 2: No, unfortunately it's not, although I wish we could connect
them in some way, and if you're looking to start
an evangelical cult, some of you enterprising young drifters out
there might be able to make a connection like that,
But as of yet, no, there is unfortunately not a
known aschatological connection. Okay, thank you, Thank you, Rachel. Shout
out to Rachel and everybody be sure and follow Rachel
and Andrew and go check out her book, Occult Roots
of Feminism. We I mean a lot of the Lamar
Baptists are definitely premillennial, you know, a killist believers, so
they're gonna kind of default support. Uh the Apple I
allogize Israel. Mike ow us up the blood Moon pie
is what a doot? I'm you dude, Micah, I'm mute.
See this is why Jamie bought me this T shirt
because you guys don't understand how to work things that
we've It's almost ten years and you can't figure out
to unmute Jason? What's up? Jason and the Orgonauts?
Speaker 16: I'm you dude, Hey Jay, I want to ask a
question about tag. Okay, regarding TAG, like, what would you say?
Just some of you saying how how do you not
need to justify God? When you were saying like God
is the precondition for logic, how would you answer that?
Because I'm having some trouble regarding that.
Speaker 2: Because it's a second order question. It's not a first
order question. So you're asking for the justification for the
thing that is justification. So it's a paradigm level question,
and paradigm level questions are outside of the scope of
first order logical justifications.
Speaker 16: Okay, thanks, So what would you say to like if
someone says logic is just a brute fact, like there's
no need to justify it.
Speaker 2: Okay, then God's a brute fact, and there's no need
to justify God. So you understand in a debate you
can do the same thing. So they're not understanding how
debate works. And by the way, to say that it
just is just is what I mean? That basically tells
us nothing. Hank, what's up, Hank Williams Junior? What's up
the problem with the tag? I'm not mad at Jason.
He has good questions. It's just it's the same questions
for ten years, guys on tag, It's always the same questions,
and it's just like it gets annoying. Josh. Did Nick
Flints get his style of manerisms from you? I doubt it?
Anonymous ten dollars. How does Tragian hope compared to Whitney
Webb's One Nation Under Blackmail? Vastly different books? I mean
vastly different.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: One Nation under Blackmail is a heavily sourced journalistic expose
style book. It's a necessary book, necessary read, absolutely crucial reading,
particularly the Epstein volume. Tragian Hope is a twelve hundred
thirteen hundred page military history. It's a technical, geopolitical military
style history book. So they are night and day different
types of books. Tragian Hope is a defense of the
Anglo American establishment. Whitney Webb's book is a journalistic expose
of Robert Maxwell, Justlaine Maxwell, and Jeff Stain mc effrey.
So there absolutely could not be further apart in terms
of the style of book and what they're about. However,
they do obviously overlap because they're the same power structure
and establishment being critiqued. But one of them is an
apologetic for the establishment and the other one is a expose.
Whitney's book was a slog for me, all of these
labyrinthine relationships and textbook details. Is that how Tragi Hope reads? Well, Honestly,
it's going to be more difficult because it's about a
thousand times more labyrinth labyrinthine historical details. Now it's not
a bad book. In other words, it does for that
type of a book. It's a lot more readable than
some normy World War two twelve under page history book
that will put you to sleep. It's a lot better
than that. There's a lot more gems, a lot more exciting.
But remember, Tragian Hope is not a conspiracy expose. It's
a person who believes in the establishment, writing from the
assallage of perspective. By the way, because most people are
not going to read that twelve hour page book, I
did an entire lecture series for you guys and is
still on the front page of my channel. People don't
search the channel pages, I guess anymore. But if you
go to my page, trasgihte lectures are still here. And
we're ten years in, so it's a ten year celebration.
Solebrate New World Order. Come on, all right, make sure
I didn't miss a super shat here. JB. Peltier, do
you denounce the neo yacht sis? You mean neo Yea's
about Kanye in his Wiga hal Hitler, We got hell Hitler.
I don't sing the N version, I sing the w version.
Wiga Hello. None of your business. Jay. There's a compilation
of every Nick Cage freakout is great stuff that sounds
right in my alley right there. That's what we need.
That's what I want to cover. Thank you guys for
your generous a super chest today. Appreciate everybody's being very
filled with the spirit of generosities. Corey, I missed the
super chest, Corey says, Corey, you boy, Corey, for five dollars,
prove me wrong. Play the clip of Candace saying, as
a statement of fact, Mitch saw what he saw, and
I'll send you twenty dollars. I already played the clip
of Alex playing that Anonymous sends fifty dollars. Thank you
so much, Anonymous. Appreciate that. Listen, you want to go
leave this tard shit, go for it. And then when
you double down and you get refuted on all this
TRD stuff, then the next week you'll just move on
to the next soap opera tard Candace drop, Quandas drop,
and then you'll call everybody who disagrees and debunks that
one bb bb buck receivers.
Speaker 5: Go for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah you're the expert. I've only been studying this for
twenty five years, but all of these soccer moms and
wine moms are now geopolitical assassination Black ops concerned say yeah,
you're all right, Yeah, all the wine moms and the
Karens and the soccer moms in America are now way
more knowledgeable than me. They don't even have to read trig.
You hope they've watched Candace. They don't have to read
thirteen hundred page books and lecture through it. You've already
all the moms have surpassed me because bb bought me out.
That's right. Yeah, listen, stupid people. As you get older,
you realize stupid people get what they desire. It's just
like with bitcoin. Bitcoin is the IQ test? Okay, well,
Candas's IQ test now, so have fun with that, Aiden says.
For fifty dollars, Jay, I found a ro Corps parish
not far from me. Is that a good website of
the Assembly of Bishops? I mean, if it's a road
Corps parish, it's a canonical church. You don't have to
worry about all that. I'm not familiar with it. Would
you recommend it as a good website? I mean, if
it's a row Corps parish, that is a canonical parish. So,
but thank you for that. Super che v Vegos is
for ten dollars. They don't understand all the carols that
are sung in Winter, all of my brothers, Jolly brother
Merry Christmas. Okay, I appreciate that. I don't understand that,
but I appreciate it. Andrew, is it because the priestly
celibacy for five dollars that the papacy has so many
Voice of Diddy scandals? I think priestly celibacy plays a
role in it. But it's more than that. I mean,
you understand, tradcats have already even written books on this. Right,
there's the trade cat book right Ausnomy about this. So
you can't yell at, oh it's a it's an ortho
bro conspiracy. No, it's a trad cat that wrote this book.
So go read this. If you really want to get
into the you really want to get into the gay
rabbit hole of all this crap, then read or write
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this trade cat Chris Elmer ten dollars. I appreciate what
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I am tenor pages in Good Good, so you're you're
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it's setting the stage for modern European civilizations and treaties.
In international law, and you're going to get to the
chapter very soon talking about how Russia is bad and
that the future is democratic capitalism and that all the
authoritarian powers represented by the Australungarian Empire, the access Powers
and Russia and the Cold War must be destroyed. That's
what the hope is, democratic capitalism and the reading of
the world of the authoritarian powers, and by authoritarian I
mean powers believing in and related to tradition. Hank, what's up.
I'm you. I'm your dude. I mean, I guess people
just want to call that. They just want me to
get agitated today because we literally made this T shirt
because of this, Hank, can you not unmute? You don't
know how this works after ten years? Okay, goodbye? John Adams,
what's up? John Adams is jealous of Candace because even
though he talked about things ten years ago, Candace, he's
ripping Candace off. And he's jealous because he's not a
black queen like me and her. John. Yeah, quick question.
Speaker 6: So John MacArthur is a five point.
Speaker 5: Twulph Presbyterian, but he's also a Zionist dispensationalists.
Speaker 3: How does that work with the PSA.
Speaker 2: Well, most dispensationalists believe in PSA, So where where are
you seeing a contradiction there?
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, how does how does Jews who you know,
put Christ on the cross get in the PSA. I'm
not because some evangelicals wouldn't believe that, and that's how
I was raised.
Speaker 2: So well, I think that they would just say that
there's these promises that are earthly in nature to Israel
that are yet to be fulfilled, and so those promises
like the millennial kingdom and reigning from Jerusalem, those are
not identical to the Selvaffic promises. So many dispensationalists would
still say that Jews, if they want eternal salvation, still
have to believe in Christ. So there's still the only
access to the Father for salvation eternally is PSA. But
God still has these sort of earthly promises to the
nation state of Israel that he will fulfill in the
dispensation in the Millennial Kingdom.
Speaker 5: Okay, so it's not like a blood inherent thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, there could be some dispensationalists who believe in
a form of dual covenant theology like I mean sometimes
Ratzinger even sounds like he believes that Jews don't even
have to convert to be saved. So there could be
some that believe that they can be saved even in Judaism.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, interesting, Yeah, but that's kind of what John
MacArthur is. He's kind of like a mainline like kind
of a mega church. Yeah, Presbyterian.
Speaker 2: Does he believe in the spiritual gifts? Or is he
a cessation He does.
Speaker 5: He's not a charismatic at all. He's like a cessationalist.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I wasn't sure. I didn't remember. I never
had a John MacArthur phase. A lot of evangelicals do,
like they have a time where they kind of get
into him and they get the MacArthur Study Bible and
all that. I went straight from reading the John Hagey
Prophecy Study Bible when I was nineteen to reading Charles
Spurgeon and John Calvin and Jonathan Edwards, and so I
went directly into I had a James White Baptist Calvinist
phase for maybe a year or two, and then I
went full Covenant theology Presbyterian when I was twenty twenty
or so. PSA is penal substitutionary atonement. That's the Protestant
Reformation doctrine that the salvation of human beings is through
the perfect lawkeeping of Jesus, who dies in that perfect state,
pays off the debt and the wrath of God, and
then in a legal sense, puts the believers who believe
in Him into a legal status of being perfectly righteous
before God. So your righteousnesses are filthy rags, and so
Jesus does the work for you and puts you in
a legal state of being justified. And your works had
nothing to do with that. Your faith is what makes
you justified. And faith itself is also a gift according
to classical Protestant Reformation teaching. So that model, that transactional,
imputational legal status model, is the essence of Reformation teaching.
So that's what PSA means. That's what PSA is. Historically,
the dumb people in the so called Orthodox world that
are like twenty year old converts that think that Orthodox
people teach PSA don't even know the classical Reformation teaching.
They don't know what that means. They think to the
word penal and substitution have an equivalent meaning between the systems,
and so Orthodox also believe in PSA it's just word concept, fallacy,
basic stupidity. But in the Reformation teaching, the Classical Reformation teaching,
it specifically means that whether you're a Presbyterian or whether
you're a Lutheran or some other evangelical thing. Most evangelicals
for the most part have held to that teaching, although
there may be some minor nuances. For example, some evangelicals
these days do not believe, as the performers did, that
Jesus was damned on the cross. Some of them have
some alternative variant theories. Damarian, a fellow BIPOC person, what's
up to, Maarian?
Speaker 3: How's it going?
Speaker 2: You sound like a white man. I'm a little fused.
Speaker 3: No, I'm black.
Speaker 2: I just so, what's my man? What's what's my brother?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: So, I just wanted to ask you a quick question.
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm only taking questions today. I'm not taking questions.
Speaker 3: There you go, that's a quick question.
Speaker 11: So you believe in the creationist view, and that basically
is held up because you believe that there is no death.
Speaker 2: Before the fall, right, that's one reason.
Speaker 11: But yes, okay, so I kind of have an issue
with that, only because, like I want to be. I
am considering to be Orthodox, like I go to the
Orthodox Church. I want to I'm a Catechaym and everything
like that. And so I'm wondering, is that like a
dogma type of thing? Is that, like you have to
believe this to be Orthodox because I'm under kind of
like an Adamite view of things in.
Speaker 2: This or no that. I don't no, no, not Adam,
not ANIMI I'm.
Speaker 11: Under the view of looking at the science seeing that
maybe things were actually happening for billions of years and
that animal death did occur, but not in the same
way that we view human death after the fall, because
it actually encompasses multiple different factors.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't even know what that means. But
I mean Ramas eight says that death came through Adam,
so it doesn't distinguish it. It doesn't distinguish animal death,
natural death, creation death.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 11: So to that, I would ask you a question, if
Adam and Eve didn't partake of the Tree of Life
at all, what would happen to their bodies?
Speaker 3: Would they cease? Because to my understanding, it's.
Speaker 11: Through the energies of grace, through the communion of the
Tree of life that they received that form of immortality
during that time.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, the tree of life is an image that
points to Christ himself. Christ is the actual tree of life.
So the only way to be made immortal is not
from a tree, it's from actually partaking of the life
that the Son of God has. And so in the
Orthodox view, if you read the book Deification in Christ
by Peniotis Nellus, he points out that man was always
made to be made immortal and to participate in the
image of Christ. So he's made after the image of Jesus.
And so Adam is a type of Jesus precisely because
Jesus is the pattern of atom. So from that perspective,
creation has always been chrystological. All the created order was
about Christ from the very beginning. So it's not a
plan be It's not possible like Thomas think that God
could have incarnated as a donkey or anything like that.
It has to be the way that He chose to
become man so that he could restore our nature. But
even if we had not fallen, there was still going
to be an incarnation according to the Eastern Church Fathers.
So death, from our perspective is not natural it's an
unnatural thing that invaded through the serpent and through Adam
and use failure. So it was never the tree that
was going to make them immortal. It was the energies
of Christ the entire time. So had they not fallen,
they still would have been made immortal through the divine
energies of the Son of God.
Speaker 11: Right, I understand that, And I understand that, like there's
a symbolic sense to the Tree of Life, and I
would represents Christ everything like that. What I'm more asking
of is that they had an active choice to part
take in the Tree of Life, Like this wasn't something
that was forced upon them. And because of that factor,
you have to consider what would have happened if they
didn't and didn't go outside of the balands of sinning
per se.
Speaker 3: If you go it, if you get what I mean.
Speaker 11: And so I'm basically asking, was there a biological death
in store for them had they not parts of the
Tree of Life, which is understood to be Christ.
Speaker 2: No, there's no death at all, because all death, decay, entropy,
et cetera, entered through the sin of atom. Adam is
the steward of creation. So when he fell, the metaphysics
of the entire universe shifted. It affected everything.
Speaker 5: It's not just a moral thing.
Speaker 2: It's a universal metaphysical scope to the fall, and that's
unique to Orthodoxy. The other traditions teach that the Fall
was a mere moral failing or some spiritual failing and
didn't really affect things in some sort of metaphysical scope.
But if you read Genesis, Creation, early Man bus sur
from Rows, you'll see how vast in scope and cosmic
in scope, the fall was such that even nature itself changed,
so animals begin to be predatory. Animals weren't predatory. There
weren't mosquito sucking blood prior to the fall. So we
have a very different cosmic scope to the fall. And
that's why the incarnation is equally caused, making scope. So
Christ redeems and restores and transfigures the entire universe because
Adam destroyed the entire universe. You see in the Roman,
Catholic and Protestant schemes. It's really just this moral or
spiritual individual kind of thing that happened.
Speaker 11: Okay, And just I just want to like ask another clarification,
because I understand what you're saying, but.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying okay, And also I'm saying that theologically,
and we can talk about the problems with like observing
millions of years and all that with the theory the
philosophy of science itself. That's a separate point. But if
you understand, if you read the Saint Maximus book about
on the cosmic Redemption of Christ, you'll notice that it's
only cosmic and scope because of the Fall in Atom's
actions being cosmic in scope. And so if you start,
if you start tinkering with the incarnation and its scope,
it doesn't just affect the Fall, it also affects the
eschatology because the two are linked. Because Paul says in
one Grade Is fifteen that the scope of Adam sin
is identical to the scope of Jesus's recapitulation. So if
you mess up the scope of incarnation and the Fall,
you will by default mess up the scope of the recapitulation.
Speaker 3: Okay, And so.
Speaker 11: Kind of what I'm trying to get to is like
I'm thinking of the moment of when Adam and Eve
are created, right, and at this point they aren't partaking
in the Tree of life, which understood as the energies
and everything like that from the worldview that you're saying,
you would almost have to presuppose that they are receiving
grace at this time because they're not having the choice
to choose the Tree of Life.
Speaker 3: Basically, I'm just asking.
Speaker 11: Like, what is the state of their being before they
partook in the Tree of Life? Because my understanding is
that before they partook, they.
Speaker 3: Would have surely gone.
Speaker 11: Been done away with, you know, before that time, if
they would have progressed without partaking, right, and this is
pre sin, and so that's kind of like the logical
thing that keeps getting in my mind about that.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm wordying it correctly.
Speaker 2: I'm not understanding that. I don't mean to be difficult.
I just don't understand the I don't understand. Can you
state it again or differently?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 11: Yeah, So so Adam and Eve are fashioned, right, and
there is a state of being that they're in where
they haven't partaken of the Tree of Life, and.
Speaker 3: Okay, and I'm basically asking.
Speaker 11: What is that state of being defined as if the
Tree of Life is considered to be the grace that
gives them immortality, does that mean that if they like
in that state, are they I'm not trying to say death,
but like a biological decay in that sense. I don't
know how else to put it.
Speaker 2: The fact that they're in a mutable state morally has
nothing to do with bodily physical decay. Would why would
there be? It seems like you're looking for a way
to have theistic evolution meshed with uh, you know, our view.
But the problem is that the Council Trollo and its
canons teach that you cannot say that death existed before
Adam felt so.
Speaker 3: Right, But I'm more.
Speaker 11: Focusing on like the importance of communion with God and
what that looks like before they even heartsook of the
Tree of life.
Speaker 3: That's kind of what I'm getting at.
Speaker 2: But what does that have to do with like physical
biological death. I don't I'm not getting.
Speaker 11: Okay, So I'm it's basically saying before they partook was
their state that they would live on regardless, So like
this whole idea of death didn't exist, And so this
almost presupposes that before they partook, even if they didn't
partake outside of the bounds of like sin or whatever,
they would be practically like what is the state of
their being like, that's what I'm basically trying to get at, Like,
in that moment, and we're.
Speaker 2: Just told that they're in a mutable state, which is
sub was subject to change, So they they could have
sinned and they could have not sinned. That's all we're told.
But you're saying, well, could they have continued on indefinitely
in that state? I don't know, we're not ever told that, Okay.
Speaker 11: I mean, so if it doesn't create that, and if
it's not very clear, doesn't that mean that there is
room for speculation.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to like, no, look, let's just put
it this way. I mean, do any of the church
fathers teach theistic evolution?
Speaker 11: I mean no, they don't teach the evolution, but there
are church fathers. I think Besil de Great talked about
how animals did have a mortal state.
Speaker 2: Before he does he teaches six day creation. So have
you read the heck Samarron? I have not, Okay, So
the whole hec Samaron is six day creation. This whole
purpose of it. So you're not going to find theistic
evolution proof in him or affinacious. When they talk about mortality,
it's in the context of man's state and motive being
after the fall. He's not saying that animals were mortal
before the fall. There is no death like there's not.
There's no basis or reason to believe in any kind
of death before the fall, and nobody teaches that. None
of the church brothers teach that. So there is no
basis for theistic evolution orthodox view. Anyway. I appreciate your questions,
but I mean, just take a look at first created
Man by Saint Simeon, and take a look at Genesis
creation early Man by Father Si from Rose, and you're
gonna notice nobody has anything like theistic evolution. Now, maybe
it's all wrong and theistic evolution is right. But if
theistic evolution is right, Christianity is not right. What's up?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: Yep at a question. I'm only taking questions of questions,
you know what.
Speaker 7: You know what I mean, fam So I was just
wondering though, Like how I was wondering.
Speaker 11: If a lot of this is just semantics when it
comes to the saints, But like, are we prying to
the saints and how does this look in your spiritual life?
Speaker 2: We're asking the saints to pray for us, so we're
praying to like we're asking for It's called the intercession
of saints, so we're asking them to pray for us. Zora,
what's up? I cannot I'm trying to find the canon
from trollo. Uh and I hate it when I'm pull
up my tweets because you have to figure out how
you worded the tweet. I can't type at a weird angle.
What's up, man, I'm you.
Speaker 6: Hey, Jake, can you hear me?
Speaker 2: He says, I'm a listener. Yeah, this thing's glitching out, man.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: By the way, nice fipod references.
Speaker 17: But I want to let you know, while Andrew Wilson's
a legitimate black sonka and I might have you beaten
out there.
Speaker 6: Brother, But all jokes aside. I just wanted to ask.
Speaker 17: Around the CQ crowd, there's an argument going around that
Christ is.
Speaker 2: A mythical figure, and they seem to reject.
Speaker 17: Not a Christian question Christ question.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Adam Green crowd, Oh that okay, yep, yep.
Speaker 6: They seem to reject any notion.
Speaker 17: Of philosophers and historians like Josephus and the like from
the time period. What would you suggest as a good
argument to I guess, present to them and put their feet.
Speaker 2: To the fire. Well, on what basis are we supposed
to uh not believe in those historical references? So they
I mean to just discount them and handwave them. First
of all, isn't an argument. And if he's going to
rely on Jewish traditions to refute Christianity or to critique Christianity,
or to say what, oh well look at the Jews
this time they said this into this. Well, if josephus,
if those things are not reliable, why would tumboody traditions
that he uses to refute Christianity be reliable. So it's
just sort of ticking and choosing. Seems to me it
would be arbitring a hawk. Uh so, But I mean
if you watch Geam or uh doctor David Patrick Carey's
debate with Adam Green. I mean Adam Green is he
can't debate. He's pitiful.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he suggested it.
Speaker 2: Last time I watched it.
Speaker 6: It was an absolute nightmare. The final thing that they
always bring up is that there.
Speaker 17: Are no archaeological or historical finds from the Bible.
Speaker 4: To go back to.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, we have a there's a what's
his name Orthodox archaeologist is a good buddy of mine.
I'm trying to think of his Twitter handle. Uh, I'm
gonna just gonna pull him up because this keeps coming up.
Speaker 17: And by the way, Jane knocked it right on the
head when you said they discount the argument because they
claim anything Old Testament was Jewish.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's that's not argument, brothers. So that's that's
really awesome.
Speaker 2: You picked up on it right away, Thank you. Yeah,
here we go. Let's see. I asked my other friend
his Twitter profile, James. He doesn't go by his normal
name on Twitter, and I can't remember what it is.
I wish he was more active because he could do
a lot more damage to these dummies if he was
in the sphere, I'm sure, and on.
Speaker 6: Armenian by culture and you know origin. So I mean,
we have Noah's ark to go off of. On Mount Ararat,
we had the guy in the late eighties, early nineties,
I believe when he found it.
Speaker 17: Well, it's part of Turkey they call it now, but
we call him historic.
Speaker 2: Armenian Lands, and that apparently.
Speaker 6: Doesn't account for anything towards them. The chariots and the
sea don't account for.
Speaker 17: Anything, So it's basically just discrediting arguments that they can't refute.
Speaker 2: At this point, Oh, I found him, doctor James Gilbert,
except that it's not his Twitter. He put a weird
name up, Bodacious Bulks.
Speaker 5: Think how many hoops you have to jump through to
make like billions of years work as opposed to like
a crack in the earth happening over a night, which
we can prove empirically.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, good point, John the au okays, which.
Speaker 5: There's multiple examples of.
Speaker 2: By the way. All right, so people who are curious,
doctor James Gilbert, who I've hung out with many many times.
We used to go to the same church for a
while until he moved. He is a legit Orthodox archaeologist,
So if you are interested and you want to get
more information on that, you can hit him up here
Bodacious Bulks with a you. And he's also a really
good singer too. The way, he has a YouTube channel,
but he doesn't have anything on it. He should be
making YouTube videos like we need people like out here
doing orthodox biblical archaeology. But yeah, thank you for reminding
me of him, by the way, Zora appreciate that.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Light a theosis. What's up? You want to I'm mute.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, Jay are you?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 18: I'm good?
Speaker 6: Thanks for asking. A big fan of yours. I just
want to say, really appreciate your work. The other reason
I became Orthodox.
Speaker 3: About a year ago.
Speaker 2: So thank you many years to you, Bro. I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: So I had a quick question.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw a.
Speaker 19: Recent post from a father John Azar Claypool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is the defrougt schismatic lunatic, but no, I
don't keep up with his post.
Speaker 7: Well, he made a recent post that would have been
today around seven or so, but he basically.
Speaker 19: Called you out on your quote condescending apologetics, and he
made a comment along the lines of he didn't know
that orthodox he even needed apologetics. I went down the
line of that's not true because that's basically what Jesus
and the Apostles engaged in in their.
Speaker 4: Time with them.
Speaker 2: How many church fathers and.
Speaker 7: So my question to you is how would you go about,
I guess, reinforcing the I don't want to say aggression
aggressive for lack of a better word, but the aggressive
approach to Orthodox apologetics.
Speaker 6: And how can orthor bros As is the.
Speaker 19: Negative label given to people who you know, defend their
faith with zeal How can we justify that approach?
Speaker 2: Just so, I mean, if you read, if you read
the Church Fathers, you don't have to go very far
into Saint Jerome or into Saint John Damascus before you know,
or Affinacious writing against the Arians, or Saint Cyril writing
against Astorias. They call them morons, they call them idiots,
they call them demons, they call them devils. I mean
all of the you know, worst appellations you could think
of the Church Fathers. I mean St. Cyril Jerusalem says
hate all heretics in his catechetical lectures. So these are
people who are ignorant, and you shouldn't be listening to
schismatics anyway. Why are you following a schismatic defract guy
who follows a Zionist bishop who isn't even a bishop.
It's just like, why do you guys even follow these people?
Why waste your time with these people? Proverb says, debate
your case with your neighbor, do not disclose the secret
to another. So no, it's not always wrong to debate.
Paul disputes daily in the synagogues and in the marketplaces
with the Jews that Christ is the Messiah. Trying to
find that. You have to figure out what term is used,
because it's not dispute or debates. Reasoned Acts seventeen, as
was Paul's custom, he went in and reasoned with them.
From the scriptures, some translations say disputed, some translations say debated.
And he would do this for days, and there's multiple
instances of this in the Book of Acts. If you
read the Book of Syric, Syrah talks about reasoning and debating.
If you read the Book of Ezekiel says that God
says to Ezekiel, I will give you arguments that none
of the Jews can refute. You will refute them. This
is an Ezekiel three in the Subtuasian translation, the house
of Israel will be unwilling to listen to you, because
they are unwilling to listen to me. The house of
Israel is argumented, have been heardhearted. However, I have made
your face strong against their faces. I will strengthen your
case against their arguments. Your arguments will be stronger than
a rock. Why didn't God say, oh, Ezekiel, do not debate.
That's what Ortho bros. Do Let's see, I was just
reading Wisdom of Syric at church the other day, by
the way, and I noticed, hey, it talks about debating
Serh eight. Because of wisdom, I have glory amongst the
multitudes and honor in the presence of the elders. Even
though I am young, I will be found keen in judgment.
I will be admired in the sight of rulers. When
I am silent, they will wait for me, and when
I speak, they will give heed. When I speak longer,
they will put their hands over their mouths. I will
have immortality because of her wisdom, and I will have
an eternal remembrance for those who exist after me. I
will govern peoples and nations will be in subject to me.
And by the way, I did a whole lecture through
all of Zirich. We did three podcasts about five years
ago lecturing through the entirety of Zyric. There's other places
too that talk about public debate and engagement and basically
the opponents having to shut their mouths because they don't
have any arguments. And Jesus has the same experience with
the Pharisees. So this idea that I mean that should
tell you right there that you're talking to a ridiculous person.
So even though Paul says that we tear down all
the strongholds in the arguments against Christ, where's the wise.
Whereas the disputer of this age God has made foolish
the wisdom of this world always be ready to have
an answer in a apologia for the hope that is
in you. Travis, what's up, Travis? What's up on you?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 11: Jay?
Speaker 20: Hey, I've been going to Greek Orthodox Church with my
family just for a little bit now, but I just
want to call in and ask.
Speaker 3: For the longest time, in my twenties, I.
Speaker 20: Consumed a lot of Jordan Peterson, all the lectures, and
I made it through a decent bit of his recommended
reading list. And I know that some of the obvious
things about his interpretations on the Old Testament and some
of those things I can kind of omit from my
worldview and paradigm and stuff. But I'm just wondering, like,
because a lot of the Youngian stuff and the Eric
Norman a young student is all kind of interlating into
what Jordan's saying all the time, And I'm just wondering
what your opinion.
Speaker 3: Is on that, and if I should work to kind
of get that out of.
Speaker 2: My You can go watch all my podcast where I
deconstruct and analyze Union stuff, and I've got probably eight
podcasts on Jordan Peterson, and I mean very in depth
ones where we go piece by piece, point by point
pros and cons. So I would say check those out,
because I will do kind of a pre sup of
a lot of the Jungian stuff, which is oldest gnosticism.
But notice how unfamiliar and just how foreign the actual
patristic writings are to these people. I mean, I remember
off the top of my head, Sin Cerril of Jerusalem
says hate all heretics in catechetical lectures. This is catechetical
lecture six twenty. Now understand that in the Katechisis he's
doing apologetics. He is refuting and defending the Orthodox Faith
from all of these dumb heresies. And I think, if
I remember it from here, he's talking about the Manicheans. Yeah,
hate all the heretics, especially those who are named after
the Mania or the Manny. The Manicheans, they're duellists. Oh
look at the evil Ortho bro saying, haitl heretics. I mean,
does he not realize that what do you think against Eunomius?
Is Against Eunomius by Basil is a two inner page
book of apologetics against Eunomius. Against Eunomius by Saint Gregory
of Nissa is an eight inner page apologetic against Eunomius.
Saint Athanasius is against the Arians is an apologetic against
the Arians. So we have lunatics that claim to be
Orthodox leaders and priests who are actually mentally ill people
do not understand? Can you guys not recognize mentally ill people?
To say that we don't do it apologetics is so
fundamentally ignorant and stupid that anyone that even that. I mean,
it's just it's almost like people are just they just
gaslight people and rely on the power of gaslighting, just
with the most insane level shit like, yeah, we don't
do what Orthodoxy has never done apologetics. Oh okay, what
about all of these examples that I just gave from
the church fathers. Yeah, that's not apologetics, just gaslighting. I mean,
that's all I can imagine. I mean, just to be
so fundamentally ignorant and stupid, to be so actually unaware
of like I mean, guys. I've been reading The Church Fathers,
as you can see with the sticky notes here, for
twenty five years. I started in around the year two
thousands when I got this Church father set. So I've
been reading the Church father for twenty five years. They
are absolutely vicious and nasty, with heretics, most of them.
And when I am one fourth as nasty and vicious,
these people lose their minds. Why because everybody has such
a bunch of skittles soymn, especially the church man. The
church is the most gay cucked thing ever. Dude, It's
so crazy. All the churches, by the way, the Orthodox
Church is the least. But you understanding that person isn't
even Orthodox, and yet we have thousands ten He has
like ten thousand followers. All he does is talk about
me all day long. He's a defroct schismatic openly on
his website and people have noticed thetain. They don't care.
Oh no, I want to hear what he says. We
must hear out and listen to every lunatic, every schismatic,
every schizo must have their day. We must hear them
all out. All of them must be visually and absolutely refuted,
every single day everybody, No, not everybody, but he deserves
a hearing. Have you not figured this out? Frankish Malchite
twenty dollars. The Baptist idea of succession of doctrine is ridiculous.
They will claim a descent from the Polyitians and the
Boga Mills. The Politians were Unitarians and proto Islamic, and
the Boga Mills believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel.
They all rooted in the hatred of Christ Church exactly.
That's exactly what when I I one time, when I
was a Calvinist, there was a landmark Baptist church here
in my hometown, and I went to visited it because
there weren't a whole lot of Calvinist options, right. I
think we had two Calvinist options that were openly Calvinists, right,
not pcusa. But and so I went only went there
like two times. But I went to a landmark Baptist
church to see what they're all about. And the guy
gave me the trail of blood. I've still got my
trail of blood right there. I can see it over
on my shelf. And I opened it up. And even
in the year I don't know. That was like two
thousand and one, two thousand, around the same time as
I got the church Father's set. Even then, I knew
that those were anti Trinitarian groups, and so I folded
out the Trail of Blood thing and I asked the pastor,
Brother David Hit, I said, how are you linking yourself
to these anti Trinitarian groups? And he said, Brother, they
love Jesus and that's what matters, and they weren't part
of the apostate horror of Rome. That was his answer.
I was like, so it's more important to be anti
Trinitarian and against Rome than to actually have Trinitarian teat
And I just thought that was so crazy and I
never went back. So, I mean, this is stuff that
I'm not trying to be arrogant, but like I mean,
I figured this stuff out in the year two thousand.
Come on, guys, catch up. B rizzal five dollars. Valhalla
is a veteran. The guy that does the channel. Jay
Dyer is not a veteran. Oh, are you talking about
me or his buddy his I think you mean his buddy.
His buddy is not a VAT, but he's Nate's longtime
friend and seemingly a good dude. Okay, you're telling about
the two guys that do that that geopolitics channel. Oh yeah,
Darth Jeff twenty dollars. Make Christmas, Janmackris. Do you guys,
by the way, real Christmas is coming up next week
or in January seventh? Happy? Uh, fake papal Christmas to everybody,
Zane ten dollars. This is all subject. But have you
read gene Wolf's Book of the Sun new Son? No,
I've never heard of it.
Speaker 11: On what that is?
Speaker 2: I suggest it if you like sci fi, fantasy and philosophy.
I mean, I'm open to that. The problem is that
so much of that shits woke, like sci fi and
fantasy is just like the gateway to all this woke
nonsense that we have. I mean, I like, like older
you know, I was planning to read William Gibson's Neuromancer next.
I would like to eventually get The snow Crash because
that's big in Silicon Valley. But I'm open to, you know,
sci fi that isn't just fake and gay. Darth Jeff
five dollars. They will just say carry your cross, which
is their way of being pious and saying, shut the
f up? Do you mean the piety signalers? Who do
you mean? Anonymous? Five dollars? The dude was asking if
Adam and Eve would have died before they ate the
tree of missing the whole point of imagery. Oh, is
that what he meant? No, they wouldn't have died. It
represents commune with God. It is not a literal immortality dispenser.
Separation from God is what brings death exactly. I agree
with you, an mos yea Cory centers uh sends five
dollars and I don't. I can't pull up a YouTube
link from from here. Dude. Here is the link and
the timestamp is that fifty six hours or fifty six
minutes in? It shows that she never confirmed who he saw.
That you're missing the whole point, dude. You want a
debate over whether Candace confirmed every detail of her Dude,
the dude is a con man and not credible, so
she should have vetted the con man. Corey, that's the point.
You just want y'all want to play word games. Well,
Candace didn't technically say that. She doesn't have to technically
say that everything he's saying is correct. And Alex didn't
say that. He said that. She said everything Mitch said
was correct the metaversees in snow Crash. I knew, I
knew that. Yeah, how do you join the open call?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Guys, come on, if you go to the link in
the show description, you call in on Twitter. We've been
doing it the same way for almost ten years. You guys,
I'm you dude, I can't. I can't read all that
gibberish as you're handle. What's up? Man, I'm you.
Speaker 6: Hello?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: Do you know who capturing Christianity is?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 21: Yeah, so him and like another like one of the
top philosophers or Catholicism. We're talking about presuppositionalism and they
were talking about how you don't need God for knowledge,
and then they were bringing up foundationalism and like, how
you have basic beliefs.
Speaker 6: What would be your critique of the idea, because I
know it's retarded.
Speaker 2: I've probably got fifteen podcasts critiquing foundationalism, usually the stuff
that I do with FDA. So I'm not gonna. I can't.
I don't have the energy right now to rehearse all
of that. So if you go to Patristic faith and
you see this playlist here tag. This is a twenty
two video playlist that will answer all of your questions.
Jack con what's up? Jay treats the spot he's in
temporarily as apps elude truth as if no, So you
don't even understand that that's just a stupid, low tier
subjectivist argument. You changed your mind before, so how do
you know you're right now? Everybody changes their mind, so
then everything would be subjective because everybody's as someone changed
their mind. It's just a stupid argument. I'm mute, Jakhn,
you want to talk or not? Okay? Goodbye?
Speaker 5: Ye Vic?
Speaker 2: What's up? Anonymous?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: We did that? What's up?
Speaker 3: What's something?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 6: Just quickly? I I'm looking for a little bit of
advice on literature.
Speaker 18: I won't give you the fullback story, but I come
from a Protestant background and I've just come to the
understanding that orthodoxy is the way to go. I've started
reading Surf and Rose, which has been fantastic. But I
saw a clip of you and you were talking about what.
I saw a clip of you and you would talk
talking about a clip okay, yeah, the Westminster Confession or something,
and I realized that I haven't even done my own
legwork inside Protestantism. So I just wondered if you could
direct me into I suppose a holistic view of the
Church and its history.
Speaker 2: H You mean, really, the only thing I could recommend
for that is a book? Is that is that? Okay?
Are you talking about videos?
Speaker 6: That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to read the Yeah? Perfect? So you
want to read the first two or three volumes of
euroslav Pelican's book Christian and the Catholic Tradition Pelican P. E.
L I K K A N Y. And he has
a five volume set called the Christian Tradition. You don't
need to even worry about the last two volumes, they're retarded.
All you need to do is read the first three
volumes because that deals with the first thousand years. If
you want to read the volume fours, Reformation, you can.
Speaker 6: Okay, wonderful.
Speaker 18: Also, I thought that you pointed to your bookshelf and
you're referring to the Church Fathers.
Speaker 6: Is that something that you recommend for most people to
read or uh?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really entirely up to you. I would
recommend everybody be familiar with some of the Church Fathers
for sure. Like I would definitely read the Orations of
Saint Gregor of nazian Zeus. I would read on the
Holy Spirit by Saint Basil, I would read on the
Incarnation by Saint Anthonasius. I would read on Christian Doctrine
Bia Saint Augustine. You know those are all, you know,
necessary reads.
Speaker 6: Let's see Athanasius, Basil, and Augustin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are kind of like, you know, classic sort
of starting points in the Church Fathers.
Speaker 6: Fantastic man, Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: Sure, good questions, but I appreciate that. RDLT guys, are
you excited for more gaming streams? I noticed the we
got a pretty big drop off when we went from
Red Dead Redemption to Red Dead Redemption Round two. We
went from twenty one twenty two thousand people to twelve thousand,
So I'm even though I thought Round two was still
pretty funny, everybody seemed to have a lot of laughs.
We had drunk Reverend Jordan Peterson in the second stream,
which was pretty funny. But I think maybe we should
move on because I didn't realize that was such a vast,
open world game of hundreds of hours. We can always
come back to it, but the number two recommended gaming
stream was Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven. So maybe we'll try
that next and I will eventually get a cam for
doing that if we continue to do those. I mean,
I'm open to a round three of red de redemption.
But we only had half of the audience show up,
so our d LT. What's up? Man, I'm you.
Speaker 6: Aj can hear me?
Speaker 22: So I've been inquiring Orthodox for about a year now.
I just have had a lot of personal struggles trying
to get into the church. But I've got a friend
who rejects the Orthodox Church and pretty much everything that
comes along with it. Like he's very Protestant, and he
says often that he's he only submits to Christ.
Speaker 3: Is there a good way to answer this or a
good argument against this?
Speaker 2: Well, Paul says, if they will not hear the church,
then cast them out. Jesus says, he who hears you
hear's me. So there's no such thing as Jesus alone
without church in history, Paul says, not the for sake
the assembling together. So the entire history of two thousand
years of the church being discarded for I just followed
Jesus it's really just a form of idolatry. So I
would point out to him that the only way to
know Jesus is through the teaching of the historical body
that he established. Caleb, what something?
Speaker 4: Hell?
Speaker 2: Hey, do you have a good book that is like
the Life of Saint Athanasius? I don't know off the
top of my head. No, okay, sorry, I mean I
typically focus on the theology of athenations specifically. There might
be some book on that. I just don't know what
it would be. Cam, what's up? Zay says for ten dollars,
the book is not woke. From what I remember, it
was written in the eighties. It's a bit older. I
agree with you. I hate woke, faking gay sci fi.
This is actually good because it's hard to find good
sci fi exactly. And what was the name of it?
Let me scroll back up the Book of the New Son.
What's up?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm you? Cam? Are you talk or not?
Speaker 6: Oh? My fault, my fault.
Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for having me.
Speaker 23: I've been in a recent ongoing debate with some homies.
It's kind of a pretty different arguments on the best.
Speaker 3: Mode to convert people or to get people to start.
Speaker 2: Coming to church. And Uh, the first mode is.
Speaker 23: This person believe that we should start showing people more
relics and things like that, try to explain.
Speaker 2: Like the Shroud of Tora and get people.
Speaker 23: To I guess experience that awe and wonder that comes
with some of the relics. The next argument is, unfortunately
he doesn't do it very good. The subject matter a justice,
but he tries to use the tag and like kind
of beating people into a philosophical corner.
Speaker 6: Then to onelad.
Speaker 2: Christianity, and then I argue.
Speaker 23: For these people are scientific rationalists, their religion is psychology.
So I think it's probably best to like do one
on ones where you're kind of speaking in their trauma
filled language of psychology to them and getting them to
unpack what they're ups are with Christianity and then apply apologetics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could work. I mean I think that what
you should do. My recommendation would be taylor the style
to the person. So, if these are people that you
know and it sounds like these are circles of people
that are familiar with each other, like tailor it to
what that person is like and into right, So, if
this is a person who's an artist and they're into esthetics.
Well send them some beautiful Orthodox chant and icons and
get them to come to the liturgy and appreciate it esthetically. Okay,
they're not going to care about tag and philosophy arguments.
If it's a dude that's into philosophy, he's gonna like
that stuff, right. So, Taylor, your evangelism, as Paul says,
I become all things to all men. So I think
it helps to know the person in question better than
trying to like, there's not one size fits all. Like
Banantium said earlier, a lot of people who came to
this channel were interested in geopolitical stuff. They were interested
in Hollywood movie symbolism, and then they saw, oh he
also talks about his Ordsdox stuff.
Speaker 24: What is that?
Speaker 2: So whatever works, man, And I don't mean that in
the megachurch sense, Hyphassas, what's up? JB. Peltis is five dollars? Hey,
what's up?
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 25: Yeah, So I've been going through your I purchased your
Tragedy and Hope series about seven years ago. I'm doing
a critique of it and I have I have six
questions specifically about your theory of the tragedy and hope theory,
and the.
Speaker 2: First one was my theory of the theory. What do
you mean the theory of.
Speaker 25: The Anglo American establishment and the I At the end
of quentlyand book, he ends before the civil rights legislation
of the Kennedys, and he doesn't even mention Tammany Hall.
Speaker 3: How would the civil rights legislation.
Speaker 25: And Tammany Hall, It's history with al Smouth, Fdr Joseph P.
Kennedy going up into the Kennedy basically the royal family
of Catholics in America. How does that comport with the
Anglo American establishment theory?
Speaker 2: So I don't think there is an Anglo establishment theory.
I think he's just analyzing the power structure in the
nineteen sixties as it existed at that time. So certainly
things after that time came to the fore, like the
Wasp Zionist Alliance, which didn't really exist in Quickly's days,
So he didn't really focus on it. And also he
could have just not been honest about it. He could
have been suppressing that side of it, because he focuses
more on Rockefellers in that angle of it more so
than he does Zionists, but also from the American respect
of designers, probably didn't have as much influence and control
as they would have in the succeeding decades after the
nineteen sixties, and particularly things like the Civil Rights movement,
you know, did benefit the Zionists, for example. So I
don't I don't see that that's incompatible with what you're
calling the theory.
Speaker 25: Well, it's the Tammany Hall Kennedy platform was specifically to
benefit Irish and Italian Roman Catholics. And how how he's
trying and you and Alice Jones are trying to portray
some Anglo American establishment theory given that the you know,
the Tammany Hall regime moving up from al Smith to
FDR and the Kennedy family is very clearly.
Speaker 2: So the Kennedy's really controlled America. As I was arguing,
oh that's a fact, that's absolute fact. It's retarded to
you and continue goodbye number two, good bye.
Speaker 3: You melt down again.
Speaker 2: I didn't melt down. It's just too stupid. Irish Catholics
are really controlling them Erica. Are you serious? Okay? I
think that got that's got to be a troll. He's
gotta be joking Tyndall, what's up? That's a new one
on me, right there? Have you seen the We used
to joke about the meme what's the merchant? The merchant meme?
But now it's this. This was a joke I made
like ten years ago where instead of a certain type
of person, it's another type of person. So this is
this guy's theory, right, that's the Irish Kennedy control of America. Yeah, sure, yeah,
everybody believes that one monique seventy three dollars. I got
a quartion. What's your best advice for dealing with the
persecution of Christian for Christian beliefs, Well, do your best
to ask God to give you love for your enemies.
That is the hardest thing in this life is to
love our enemies. That's hard. It doesn't mean by the
way that you become a matt that people just walk
all over you. It means that even in the midst
of opposition, you pray and hope for those people to repent.
It does not mean that you let them just you know,
grape you and do whatever they want to you. And
it's like he presents it like this is you're an
Alex Jones's theory. It's doctor Carroll Quigley is writing from
the CFR archives. He's writing from the archives of the Rockefellers. Like,
but no, actually it's the Kennedys and the Catholics that
control America. I mean like And then he says, I
melted down just because I said his position was retarded.
What's up, Tendall? What's up?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 2: J First off, how are you?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm trying to cover for the Kennedy's because
I secretly worked for RF, secretly work for R Kate.
Speaker 8: You're deep.
Speaker 2: You're deep in the New World Order, man.
Speaker 8: But anyways, that guy asked about how to hind.
Speaker 2: Of you cut out? Repeat it that you cut out?
Repeat it.
Speaker 8: My bad guys, can you hear me right now?
Speaker 2: Just repeat the question quick.
Speaker 8: So basically, a guy was asking you about how to
get people to come to church, and you said, what
Paul would say is you have to become like the
person in a way so you can give them a
little bit of what you have.
Speaker 2: And that's totally right.
Speaker 8: But another thing that popped in my mind was John
chapter six, when Jesus fed the people the day before
and then they followed him all the way across the
river to try to find him the next day. But
they didn't want to find him to listen to his miracles.
They they wanted to follow him to get fed again food.
And that's what a lot of these churches do with
like the poor people, is they can get people to
come to their church just for food, and they're able
to preach to the poor with food. Sure, because they
gave them food, even though that wasn't the point of
Jesus's miracle, that's one way.
Speaker 2: That they brought him in. Yeah, a lot of Orthodox
churches offer meals, you know, after liturgy as well, and
absolutely that's definitely a great idea Foreign Thornton Shield twenty dollars.
Daniel Hogikachu wants a pan Islamic unity in your estimation
of the current geolitical situation, does that seem like a
losing battle. Yeah, there's no way those goober tribes are
all gonna unite. I mean, the CII recognized this like
seventy years ago. The Gulf States normalized with Israel and
they fund the spreadablehabism in Islam worldwide. Yeah, but that
doesn't mean they're all going to unite. I mean, Islam
is the broom of Zionism and Judaism. So in that sense,
you're correct. But I don't know that there's going to
be any Pan Islamic unity. I mean, that's just the
spirit of Antichrist is successful in uniting everybody, which is
a possibility because Islam is Antichrist as well. So I
suppose that's possible. Drew. What's up, dude.
Speaker 6: I saw the funniest ship the other day and it
made me think of you.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 26: I was an Olpaso over Christmas, and I went downtown
with my girlfriend and I come around the corner and
there's a group of black Hebrew Israelite people, your people,
and they're doing they're doing their retard apologetics to a.
Speaker 2: Group of that's what you call it, because you're racist.
That's all you got, man, That's all you got because
you race, You eat a mite and you ain't got
no orgaments.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, dude.
Speaker 27: So they're doing their apologetic they're doing their apologetics through
a translator to these like four foot three Guatemalan illegal immigrants.
Speaker 2: And the immigrants what to do we like to convince
them of what?
Speaker 6: Like I only I was only there.
Speaker 26: For like thirty seconds because I started laughing so hard
that it was causing a scene, and my girlfriend was like,
we gotta go.
Speaker 6: But the part I heard was.
Speaker 27: They were trying to convince these Guatemalans that Jesus was black.
And dude, it is so funny to me that even
like the four foot three, you.
Speaker 2: Know, even a Guatemalan, a simple, a simple, a simple
coffee picker man understands that stupid that. Yeah, he was going,
no negro, No, that's hilarious.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's all I got, Jake.
Speaker 2: Somebody had uploaded a recent uh, because we've only had
a few golden moments of these goofballs calling in and
I thought it was a recent clip. Let's say if
we can find it, because this is that from four
days ago, Black Keeper Israelites. I mean, there's a bunch
of these. Here's one right here. This one's good.
Speaker 4: I'm Captain tazariak SHPK. We teach that in North, Central
and South America that the original children of the book
are the Blacks, Hispanish and Native Indians. Now, of course
we're scattered across the four corners.
Speaker 2: So we are like in Africa, Europe and stuff like that.
We also teach that the people This one is funny
because it gets it gets heated, and he immediately says,
you racist, that's why you that's why you're making that
Oriument call you racist while you interrupted be you right,
That's all he does. Like the whole the whole debate
is just him saying racious. Monique, I appreciate that question,
but I mean that quertion. Uh, it's just really hard
to deal with. I mean when you say deal with persecution,
I mean does that just mean how do I handle it?
Or do you mean, like what do we do with
the Nigerians being Christians in Nigeria being persecuted? We get
more Nicki minajes, right, we get more Nicki minaj That's
what we need, more and more of good God. The
father five dollars, my pimp, Bishop says that you don't
want no trail of blood. That's the evidence right there.
That's yeah, he talking about he laying down the threats
against the ops, right he talking about trailer blood. That's
what's about to happen when you come against me, when
you fight the Emperor's of Wyxantium, you about to see
a trail of blood. Anonymous five dollars and we already
did that. M all right, we're about to get down
to the line here, but about to wind it up. Isaac,
what's up? I'm getting tired. H Hello, you're still taking questions.
I'm only taking questions. What's up?
Speaker 11: All right?
Speaker 6: All right, cool man?
Speaker 10: What you got to say about people who be saying
kids a deck is actively Jesus?
Speaker 2: Uh? No, that's crazy. It's in the Orthodox tradition, Malkis
the deck is some people say it's one of the
sons of Adam, right, or what do you mean, one
of the sons of Noah? I think that's that's some
in the Orthodox tradition. Sur from Hamilton argues that, but, uh,
it's not Jesus because he's a specific person whose priesthood
symbolizes Jesus. So when it says that he's of no
like we don't know his lineage, it's just making an
analogy between the fact that we don't know his origin
or where he got that priesthood in the same way
that jesus priesthood is from heaven. It's not saying that
because we don't have a list of his priesthood. That is,
Jesus Melchizidic is a type of Christ. Well, you can't
be a type of Christ. If you are Christ, Christ
isn't gonna be a type of himself. So Hebrews is
saying that because he there's details unknown about him, he's
kind of a mysterious figure, that his priesthood is a
type of Christ priesthood. And in the Orthodox Church he
has his own icon. He's not Jesus, he's milchizidic. If
he was Jesus, he would he would be Jesus. But
he has his own icon because he's malchisida.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: Let's see last couple questions here. I'm getting tired. Will.
What's up? Will? Why did you come out on stranger things?
You came out of the closet. Will, you found your
inner skills power and you came out the closet to
take down Vecna Joe Jay? What's up?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 24: I just had a quick question about the Orthodoxy, if
that's all right? Forgive me if this sounds basic, But
is there like an infallible list of which councils are infallible?
Speaker 2: No, I don't have the same epistemology as a Roman Catholic.
So if you're trying to do it too quoque on me.
That's not gonna work, okay, because this was.
Speaker 24: Just something that I've been hearing from Protestants trying to
refew like Orthodoxy, and they were saying, like, you need
a infallible list of infallible councils, or else we don't
really know, or else you run why do.
Speaker 2: I need the Well?
Speaker 24: In my mind, I was thinking it was similar to
the logical problem that Protestants run into when they say
with the can of Scripture, because they say it's an
infallible collection of infallible books.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's two different it's confusing, two different questions, right,
So it's not we're not arguing that having an infallible
list gives you certitude about the infallible Canons. The whole
reason we raised that question against the Roman Catholics is
because Roman Catholics treat infallibility as an epistemic principle that
they think will give them certitude. So we're just simply
pointing out that that's a it's back in the question
because how do I know? You're just moving the problem
back a step. How do I know that this list
of the infallible Roman Catholic dogmas is infallible. Okay, that's
a critique of that paradigm. If I have a different
paradigm where I'm not expecting there to be that type
of a thing, I'm not going to be subject to
that critique. So I'm arguing, we're arguing that the Orthodox
paradigm is a totally different paradigm in terms of knowledge
and epistemology. The argument between the Roman, the Protestant, and
the Orthodox is not about individual certitude. It's a different question.
It's a question of what are the means that the
Holy Spirit uses in history to give believers knowledge of
doctrine and God. The Roman Catholic says it's you and
the papal documents. The protest says it's you and the Bible.
The Orthodox says it's you and the councils and the
Church fathers and the Bible, et cetera. Right, So where
we are differing is the means, and the question then becomes, okay, well,
what was the means that the Church used in the
last two thousand years to know God and to know
true doctrine. If the means of the Protestant Church are false,
the means of Romancallity Church are false and the means
the Orthodox Church are correct and in line with the history,
then we know that the Orthodox Church is the Church
of history. That's the argument. Separately, there's a argument of
normant to authority. Did Jesus establish establish a body of
people with the ability to bind consciences to an interpretation?
That is not an argument about epistemic certitude. It's about authority.
So everybody confuses these arguments mainly because Roman Catholics have
done a piss poor job of debating Protestants with this
argument of the papacy providing certitude. That is what has
caused so much of the confusion around this question, and
it takes philosophy, unfortunately, to get in there and to
separate this out with certitude and clarity. That's where philosophy
can come in to help us. Monique says, for ten dollars,
Jesus talks about that you should expect persecution for your beliefs.
I experience people who openly mock Jesus and mock God. Well, yeah, exactly.
I mean we've got to be willing to just deal
with that. We're going to experience that on a daily basis.
You're going to see people mocking Christianity, blaspheming. It's part
of this fallen world. So you just have to deal
with as the as the Boomers say, deal with what
we are dealt, deal to hand we are dealt, and
just pray for them and realize that they don't What
does Jesus say on the Cross? They don't, they know
not what they do. There we go, Randolph, last few
questions because I'm getting kind of tired. Do y'all want
me to do another Red Dead redemption stream? Or do
y'all want another a different game, a cyberpunk stream? What's up? Man?
I'm you, Randolph, I'm you, okay, don't reader or seraphim?
Speaker 6: Hey j can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Hey man?
Speaker 28: I just want to make a comment now. I'm no
expert in uh in like YouTube and and how to
like how to actually like uh promote the channel and all.
But something I didn't notice was since people are like
unfortunately brain dead and I have a little attention span,
I was thinking, if you maybe if you like put
like your like your long like live streams on like
your live stream channel and like your absurdities channel, and
then if you like posting like clips on like your
main channel. I don't know if maybe that might bring
in like more people because unfortunately people like to watch
more clips and they don't really like to watch like
actual educated live streams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's something to consider. I'll think about it.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 2: Still. The thing is that, like live streaming on the
channel is the is a you know, a pretty significant
source of income, and people you know are pretty generous
and they super chat here and so we make we
make a living partially doing that. And I could test
out a live stream on the clips channels, but I
mean the thing is that for people who want the
clips channels, the good news is that we've got like
ten clip channels now just churning it out on a
daily so and they're making you know, good thumbs. They're
killing it. I mean, these are good. This is awesome.
So I think we'll keep it like it is for now,
but we'll see. I'll think about it. LUs five dollars,
Why does stigmad up here in the West and not
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People are against debate, basically saying that analytical types should
not be able to come into the church. Well, it
is a very sort of passive, aggressive, feminine way to
approach the world. Oh, I don't debate because you know
Jesus would never do that, and I'm a soft person. Well,
we don't see that, you know, in scripture and tradition,
So it seems more like an excuse or a way
to just a way for you to feel like you're
better than other people, right, And a lot of people
are insecure, so they need to look for ways to
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you will realize that that a lot of people in
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and they look for petty ways to one up people
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And that's the sad part I think of human nature falling.
Human natures that we look. People look for ways to
be better than other people that are just retarded. I mean,
if you're actually better than other people, right, okay, like
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and I'm better than that person and you can usually
I mean, this is what this is what haters, right,
hater a they drinking hater a. Dude, there's a lot
of haters, and you don't realize how many haters there
actually are until you have a little modicum of success
and then haters come out of the woodworks, and then
you realize the wisdom of biz Markie when he was
talking about the vapors. Today, you're going to learn a
little bit of life wisdom from my first tape I
ever got. I found a biz Marky tape on the ground, literally,
and I remember listening to biz Markie and I thought,
what is the vapor? And the whole song is about
when you start having success, people come out of the woodwork.
Suddenly they hate jo Ass, or they hated Joe Ass
the whole time, and then when you start having some
success and then they got to eat crow. So the
best way to beat the haters is to have success
and just move on and ignore them. But I can
tell you, man, you get a lot of haters when
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just freaking envious, jealous, and you don't think about a
large portion of people being that way because you are
probably not that way, right. You're a good will Yeah,
sure you wish well for other people. You like seeing
people succeed. A lot of people don't like seeing people succeed.
It makes them feel inferior, like they got handed up.
You know, they got dealt a bad hand in life,
and it's all everybody else's fault, and so they would
rather wallow in that and hate on you. I mean,
and I hate that, like even friends, even relatives. You'll
have friends and relatives that you think, okay, well maybe
they'll respect me if I start having some success. Now
it turns out they don't. They like you even less.
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