Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron
Speaker 1: Tonight's story doesn't come from a seasoned researcher or a
Speaker 1: lifelong believer. It comes from a retired cup and a
Speaker 1: former federal law enforcement officer who thought Bigfoot was just
Speaker 1: a myth. That is, until the woods of North Georgia
Speaker 1: came alive. A broad shoulder figure crossed the road in daylight,
Speaker 1: a truck shook, a tent was approached, and somewhere in
Speaker 1: those Appalachian foothills, the believers became the hunted. This is
Speaker 1: the story of Scott and Shila Granger and the night
Speaker 1: Bigfoot came calling. So stay with us, all right, Big
Speaker 1: for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Scott
Speaker 1: and Shila Granger today. Scott and Shila are involved with
Speaker 1: Squatch Fishing outfitters down there in l J, Georgia, up
Speaker 1: there in Northern Georgia. And now listeners of the show
Speaker 1: might have heard of that area already. If you haven't,
Speaker 1: it's an extremely active area up there in Northern Georgia.
Speaker 1: So welcome to the show, guys. How's it going today,
Speaker 1: It's going great.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having Thank.
Speaker 1: You for absolutely. I've been looking forward to this one
Speaker 1: for a while. How did you guys get involved with, uh,
Speaker 1: with Bigfoot to begin with and start up this, uh,
Speaker 1: this outfitters business that you have.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see years ago in South we lived in
Speaker 2: South Georgia. Uh, I'm retired police officer for a little
Speaker 2: over twenty years. Scott's retired federal law enforcement. You know,
Speaker 2: we would we would watch all this stuff on television
Speaker 2: and the biggest thing was Legend of Boggy Creek. That
Speaker 2: was my favorite movie. He had never seen it, and
Speaker 2: so I had him watch it and you know, talked
Speaker 2: about the NonStop back then. Did I thought it was
Speaker 2: just like like a unicorn, you know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't couldn't be really real. But you know,
Speaker 2: we we ended up moving up here to North Georgia
Speaker 2: about eight years ago, and I've seen an opportunity did
Speaker 2: to go on a big fit expedition, and I was
Speaker 2: just I lost my mind, you know, begged him to go,
Speaker 2: let's go, let's go. He finally consented, and uh we
Speaker 2: went on that expedition and that kind of like snowball
Speaker 2: from there.
Speaker 3: Did you know it was? It was kind of unique.
Speaker 3: She she wanted to go, you know, and I'm one
Speaker 3: of them fellers that I tried to do everything and
Speaker 3: do to satisfy your wife and all, you know, because
Speaker 3: I like to eat, you know, I'm like everybody else.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to miss a meal over by doing
Speaker 3: what she wants to do. Nice but so so I
Speaker 3: went on the expedition with her, and we had a
Speaker 3: few things happen, you know that kind of opened my
Speaker 3: eyes on that outing. And you know, because I was
Speaker 3: probably the biggest skeptic in the world, you know, I
Speaker 3: was that guy that I tell you QUI you know, men,
Speaker 3: I have hunting and fish and the river bottoms and
Speaker 3: the swamps all my life. I truly have. And I
Speaker 3: did see a lot of things during those times, you
Speaker 3: know it, and heard things that I couldn't really explain,
Speaker 3: but I never put two and two together about it.
Speaker 3: And after going on that first hiding, you know, and
Speaker 3: getting to hear some things, I opened my mind a
Speaker 3: little bit more and said, you know, that could be
Speaker 3: something to this. And that's kind of how it got
Speaker 3: started off.
Speaker 2: That one weekend. You know, we heard several things. Just
Speaker 2: if I had not been there and heard it with
Speaker 2: my own ears. Somebody could have told me that, I
Speaker 2: would have thought, man, you're nuts, you're crazier or whatever.
Speaker 2: And you know, I wanted to believe so bad. We
Speaker 2: were so excited about it, but I kept telling Scott,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just I'm not going to say there's
Speaker 2: such thing as biga until I see it with my
Speaker 2: own eyes. And I'm one hundred and ten percent sure that,
Speaker 2: you know. That's when I all admit it, and lo
Speaker 2: and behold. It was a few months later. I got
Speaker 2: the opportunity during the day, at two o'clock that afternoon,
Speaker 2: about twenty five yards away, I saw a bigka and
Speaker 2: from that point on and I went from in I
Speaker 2: believe her to a knower one percent.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's okay. So there's a lot a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff that happened to you guys pretty quick. I
Speaker 1: want to I want to hear what kind of vocals
Speaker 1: you guys heard on that expedition, Like what kind of
Speaker 1: things were you running into?
Speaker 3: First? Yeah, what what happened? We had a friend that
Speaker 3: was on this outing with us that we had met,
Speaker 3: you know, a good bit prior to this outing and
Speaker 3: the night before the actual expedition, started. We all loaded
Speaker 3: up in my truck and we take off of the
Speaker 3: woods day. He's want to show us a couple of
Speaker 3: different areas. So we're we're heading up there, and she
Speaker 3: will see something go across the road in front of her,
Speaker 3: in front of us. Well, when she saw that go
Speaker 3: across the road in front of was you know, I
Speaker 3: got on the brakes, stopped, and we all bail out
Speaker 3: of my truck. And it's a full At that time,
Speaker 3: we had a full size ram, so we had five
Speaker 3: people in there. And I'm standing right in front of
Speaker 3: the truck and Sheila and our friend he goes on
Speaker 3: on up ahead. We're whatever crossed the road up there.
Speaker 3: We're standing there, we're talking amongst ourselves, and the prettiest
Speaker 3: whoop you ever wanted to hear come from less than
Speaker 3: fifteen yards away from us, right to the left of us. Well,
Speaker 3: we're in an area that we had never been in.
Speaker 3: And and I say that telling you about that ram,
Speaker 3: because the ram has a really good set of headlights
Speaker 3: on it that shine the way out to the sides.
Speaker 3: And I'm looking over there where this whoop come from,
Speaker 3: and I look back at another young lady that's standing
Speaker 3: out there beside me. In her eyes are about his
Speaker 3: bag as saucers, And she said, did you hear that?
Speaker 3: And I said, of course, so we're looking for it
Speaker 3: and never did see anything, but I mean we got
Speaker 3: to hear it. And Shela and our friend, you know,
Speaker 3: they're up there. They're looking at her. Whatever it was
Speaker 3: crossed the road, and some limbs are still wiggling in
Speaker 3: the in the way there where it crossed. After that.
Speaker 3: Our buddy, he said, he told us, he said, you know,
Speaker 3: he said, these things are up here, pretty pretty thick,
Speaker 3: and he says, they they're real good to mimic things.
Speaker 3: Now what I'm fixing to tell you, if there hadn't
Speaker 3: have been five other, you know, five of us up
Speaker 3: there to witnessed this, I would never tell it.
Speaker 2: And if I hadn't hurt it myself, I wouldn't have
Speaker 2: believed it.
Speaker 3: She gets two rocks, and he classes me together flies
Speaker 3: and right down from us, probably not thirty to thirty
Speaker 3: five yards, there's a small stream running something. Class two
Speaker 3: rocks back twice, and he eggles a little bit, and
Speaker 3: he class some rocks again two more times, and right
Speaker 3: off the bat, something down there clacks those rocks.
Speaker 4: Twice, so he's playing with that a little bit, and
Speaker 4: he said, I wonder so he's done the shave and
Speaker 4: a haircut deal, you know that don't don't it, don't don't,
Speaker 4: don't don't clax with those rocks, and we're all sitting
Speaker 4: there and this whatever it is, mimics that back with
Speaker 4: rock clacks.
Speaker 3: And at this point we're all, you know, like an
Speaker 3: amazement and everything, and we are up here in the
Speaker 3: middle of absolutely nowhere in these mountains. There is no
Speaker 3: other person up here where we're at to you know,
Speaker 3: do anything like this back at us. And then we're
Speaker 3: all talking and he says he he's telling us. He says,
Speaker 3: you know, these things are extremely over c d about things,
Speaker 3: and he does the don't don't, don't don't and he
Speaker 3: doesn't do it anymore. And down at the creek it
Speaker 3: goes clack clack.
Speaker 2: It finished it.
Speaker 3: It finished it, no way. Yeah, yeah, And I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: if if there happen to been as many people standing
Speaker 3: there that all heard and witness this, I would never
Speaker 3: tell that story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's still kind of like people are not
Speaker 2: gonna believe this, and I wouldn't believe. I wouldn't blame
Speaker 2: them at all.
Speaker 3: No, not at all. I mean, because if somebody told
Speaker 3: me that, you know, right off the bat, my first
Speaker 3: thing was saying, he said, I believe your cheese is
Speaker 3: just about slipped off your cracker use. But you know
Speaker 3: that happened, and uh, we were there to witness that.
Speaker 3: And then we go on up the road. You have
Speaker 3: to kind of picture some of these mountain off the
Speaker 3: way roads. We get to the top of it and
Speaker 3: there's kind of like a cold to sack are in there.
Speaker 2: Dead end into just nothing but woods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we get my truck turned around be where
Speaker 3: we're pointed out in the event something does have for anything,
Speaker 3: we need to get out of there quick. And then
Speaker 3: she listening out behind my truck, probably twenty yards away
Speaker 3: from my truck and our friend, a couple of people.
Speaker 3: They go on down a little trail. Well we can
Speaker 3: see their red head lamps and every thing as they're
Speaker 3: going down the trail. As they get on down the
Speaker 3: trail out of sight, we noticed this area up here
Speaker 3: has like a like a next level down off the
Speaker 3: edge of it. Something extremely heavy starts walking around this
Speaker 3: terrace of the stock.
Speaker 2: You can feel the percussion and hear it boom.
Speaker 3: Boom, and as it's walking, you know, you think like
Speaker 3: something it's stomping. It was walking so hard, and it
Speaker 3: gets around toward the front of our truck and you
Speaker 3: could hear it walk up toward us a little bit.
Speaker 3: And I told she loved that time. I said, let's
Speaker 3: see he's on towards the truck and she was like
Speaker 3: a why, and I said, well, I don't want whatever
Speaker 3: this is to get between us and our vehicles. So
Speaker 3: we started easing towards the truck. And uh, our buddy
Speaker 3: had to laid his cell phone on record on the
Speaker 3: hood of my truck. And as we're easing to the truck,
Speaker 3: that phone lights up, and which I didn't think a
Speaker 3: whole lot about that at that point in time. It
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't nothing either way to me. But
Speaker 3: we get up there and when they get back, I
Speaker 3: tell him that, you know, you must have missed a
Speaker 3: text or something, you know, your phone lied up. Well,
Speaker 3: he looked, he looks at the phone. He says, that
Speaker 3: phone doesn't light up unless you touch it, and uh,
Speaker 3: and he showed me that that phone doesn't light up,
Speaker 3: you know, unless it gets touched, and which was pretty unique.
Speaker 3: You know, to say the least about that point right there.
Speaker 3: The rest of the weekend went off, you know, small
Speaker 3: things happened, and not not a whole whole lot.
Speaker 2: Well we had we were this is our first camping,
Speaker 2: real big camping, you know, we were brand new to it.
Speaker 2: But later that night we were in our tent and
Speaker 2: heard I heard something he did to walking across the
Speaker 2: river towards our campsite. And you know, I'm like Scott, Scott,
Speaker 2: he says, I hear it, I hear it, and it
Speaker 2: comes to the little table we had it there. We
Speaker 2: had been cooking bacon earlier in the evening, you know,
Speaker 2: and you could hear it. You could hear it, and
Speaker 2: I'm kind of freaking out over there. And this is
Speaker 2: no joke because we had no idea of what to speak.
Speaker 2: I heard Scott reach over there and unsnap his you know, holster,
Speaker 2: which that wouldn't have done any good, I assure you.
Speaker 2: And this thing is right beside the tent and it
Speaker 2: lets out this big, like exasperation kind of thing, you know,
Speaker 2: and just turned around and started walking off. And again
Speaker 2: you could hear the boom boom. Let me tell you something,
Speaker 2: I was so scared. Had that thing touched that tent,
Speaker 2: I would have jumped up and ran with a tint
Speaker 2: and everything, probably laid myself out with a tree. But
Speaker 2: I was terrified.
Speaker 3: But that, you know, that kind of sets up the
Speaker 3: tone here. That was our first outing for this, and.
Speaker 2: They say, you know once you start down that, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna tell everybody, if you start down this rabbit hole,
Speaker 2: be prepared for more questions you will ever have answers
Speaker 2: to either you're going to be addicted to it like
Speaker 2: we are, or you're probably never gonna go in the
Speaker 2: woods again.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, I agree, one hundred percent. I'm makingness.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So from what you guys had, the way you've been talking,
Speaker 1: it sounds like this is this is more of like
Speaker 1: a private expedition.
Speaker 3: That one was it was, and that we went on
Speaker 3: and we wound up after that helping that group out
Speaker 3: a good.
Speaker 2: Bit and just going out with friends we'd made from
Speaker 2: that group.
Speaker 3: And the more we helped out with that group and everything,
Speaker 3: the more we've seen how things were going in that group.
Speaker 3: And it's a big group and uh, very costly and
Speaker 3: actually had done that for a pretty good while. We
Speaker 3: would always have people when people would find out that
Speaker 3: we had went on these things and had been on
Speaker 3: them things that a lot of folks had a lot
Speaker 3: of interest in it and really wanted to go, but
Speaker 3: they weren't willing to drop that kind of money on
Speaker 3: doing that. And we sit back and we thought about
Speaker 3: it for a lot and said, you know what, what
Speaker 3: would we actually do one of these four for people
Speaker 3: and uh and make it where there's not as many
Speaker 3: people there and you know, get away with money wise
Speaker 3: and at least break even. So we did that and
Speaker 3: that's how squat Fish Outfitters got bare.
Speaker 2: It took a while, over a year and a half
Speaker 2: to get everything we needed to get, but it's pretty
Speaker 2: much our life now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wow. How cool is that? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a thing where it's obviously you guys love love going
Speaker 1: out there and to make it a part of your
Speaker 1: life in that way. So now now I got to
Speaker 1: get it out there and it's just that's awesome.
Speaker 3: How cool.
Speaker 2: We we've met so so many good people and become
Speaker 2: friends with so many people. I mean, we have a ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, We've had people leave an outing with us and
Speaker 3: be become lifelong friends with other folks that were there. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, that's that's a lot of what it's all about.
Speaker 3: We also also guide fly fishing and we try to incorporate.
Speaker 3: That's how the name Squashed Fishing Outfitters come about. We're
Speaker 3: trying to find something where it incorporated both of them
Speaker 3: into it, and she looked come up with it one day,
Speaker 3: she said it, and it stuck from that point. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love it. Our our mannerism of doing things is,
Speaker 3: you know, the group we had been asociated with and
Speaker 3: going off with, they would they would take a lot
Speaker 3: of folks on outing, and it seemed like when we
Speaker 3: were there, prior to all the other people getting there,
Speaker 3: there would be a good activity happening and everything.
Speaker 1: Big for society who would be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: As soon as all the folks showed up, everything would
Speaker 3: kind of quiet down, which stands to reason you started
Speaker 3: introducing a whole lot of folks into the forest that
Speaker 3: all the animals and everything are still there, they just
Speaker 3: kind of honker back and sit back and watch and
Speaker 3: remain quiet. So we drawed it down before. We only
Speaker 3: take ten participants at a time, and you know, smaller
Speaker 3: group of group large enough to be safe, but a
Speaker 3: group not so large to where it overwhelms the forest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think last year's was it last year, the
Speaker 2: very last last excussion. We had a We had a
Speaker 2: guy that was doing a documentary, Greg Ogle, was a
Speaker 2: very nice guy. Him and his his the young guy
Speaker 2: that helps him. We were going out out to where
Speaker 2: we were going to go hunting that night, right, and
Speaker 2: so Scott was in the Lee Troit. We had like
Speaker 2: three or four vehicles. Scott was driving, Greg was in
Speaker 2: the passenger seat and his friend was in the back seat. Uh,
Speaker 2: and had one run right across the road in front
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, both of the eyes got to see it,
Speaker 3: the weak they were. And you know, and here it is.
Speaker 3: We're filming a documentary and everything, and it's no cameras rolling.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's the age old story. Yeah, something truly amazing
Speaker 3: happens and you're there doing this specific thing, but you
Speaker 3: don't have any cameras throwing. But we did get footprints, Yes,
Speaker 3: we did.
Speaker 2: Went up beside the ridge. Footprints we got I think
Speaker 2: it was eighteen half inches seventeen and a half.
Speaker 3: It was awesome and you know, those guys were shocked
Speaker 3: and everything, and it's it was very good outing.
Speaker 2: But we you know, the best thing I enjoy We've
Speaker 2: done this for a few years now. The best thing
Speaker 2: I enjoy is when new people come, you know, with expectations, Ah,
Speaker 2: this is bull crap, this is not real, blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and then something happens. I'm thinking about the last last year,
Speaker 2: we had a gentleman, you know, he believed in it,
Speaker 2: but he's never seen anything. And we told him these
Speaker 2: jokers up here like throw stuff. So he was standing
Speaker 2: there and all the rockets get thrown and he loses
Speaker 2: his mind.
Speaker 3: He did, and it's that's you know. We have a
Speaker 3: a pair has been a wife team. They're both Dennis,
Speaker 3: and she drug him to one of our addings. They
Speaker 3: come on a very regular basis, super great people, and
Speaker 3: she was the believer. He was the sure enough just
Speaker 3: like me, big skeptic and uh. But he wound up
Speaker 3: in See One first through through a thermal and after
Speaker 3: that moment right there, now he's ready to get up here.
Speaker 3: Ever since he gets now.
Speaker 2: It was it was so funny because after he's seen it,
Speaker 2: he come back down to the campfire and he sat
Speaker 2: there and didn't say a word. I said, you okay,
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, I'm just I'm trying to absorb what
Speaker 2: I just saw. You know, you get quiet because your mind,
Speaker 2: I know in my mind, you know, it sent me
Speaker 2: about three days. I was trying so hard to convince
Speaker 2: myself they had to be a bear, They had to
Speaker 2: be a bear, but I knew it wasn't a bear.
Speaker 1: Are you guys going all over North Georgia then? Or
Speaker 1: you probably have to keep locations a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: in the back pocket. But is it all over like
Speaker 1: that l J area or.
Speaker 3: It is we spanned out? Uh, we spanned out from
Speaker 3: a little Jay all the way over to Rayburn County, Okay,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know in that in that region right there.
Speaker 3: And the big thing is we have several areas that
Speaker 3: we keep monitor We monitor very closely, and this isn't
Speaker 3: a weekend thing for us, you know, this is a
Speaker 3: four to six day a week thing we do. And
Speaker 3: we keep real close observation on these areas and that's
Speaker 3: how we determine where we're carrying folks, you know, on
Speaker 3: our next outings and everything, because we may have two
Speaker 3: areas that are very active at that point in time
Speaker 3: and we have to we always want to carry folks.
Speaker 3: You know, to the area that's the most active at
Speaker 3: that point in time, you know, to afford them the
Speaker 3: opportunity and are the best opportunity and chance to get
Speaker 3: to experience you having a experience or even possible sighting.
Speaker 2: Now we've we've taken people out before and had to leave.
Speaker 2: You know, of course, if you see a mama bear
Speaker 2: with cubs, you know you don't want to stay in
Speaker 2: that area, or if something you get that feeling, or
Speaker 2: something's being thrown, or the grouls and stuff. We're not
Speaker 2: trying to put anybody into any danger.
Speaker 3: Now. We pushed that envelope a little a little hard
Speaker 3: on ourselves, but when we have other folks out there,
Speaker 3: we maintaining the most safety as possible.
Speaker 1: Yes, Scott, you said a phrase that it was real quick.
Speaker 1: But you said you have a group that's that was
Speaker 1: something like a group that's large enough to be safe.
Speaker 1: What what do you mean by that?
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, when when situation and things like what we do,
Speaker 3: you want to have enough people there that enough numbers
Speaker 3: like to show a little bit where you have it
Speaker 3: de tours something from wanting to you know, encroach on
Speaker 3: you more. Yeah, more than one or two people. The
Speaker 3: but not big enough to where it makes things shut.
Speaker 2: Down, and we don't do this by we have a
Speaker 2: crew that helps us, and thank goodness for them.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. If it wasn't for them, you know, we
Speaker 3: couldn't get accomplished the amount of things we do. And
Speaker 3: that's what I mean by that. And I hope I
Speaker 3: answered your question.
Speaker 1: No, I think you did. Was there a situation that
Speaker 1: you guys went through where you had to learn the
Speaker 1: hard way, like maybe you didn't have enough people present
Speaker 1: and just things kind of escalated or.
Speaker 2: No, it happened with Well, it was me and Scott
Speaker 2: and a couple of others when we were out scouting.
Speaker 2: We weren't really weren't doing our thing yet. We were
Speaker 2: out scouting. We were bluff charged.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Yeah, we were hard blood. We were hard
Speaker 3: bluff charged. And that there were four of us and
Speaker 3: that was it. And it weren't like we were all
Speaker 3: right there in a very tight knit group. We were
Speaker 3: kind of spread out a little bit. We're walking along,
Speaker 3: you know, checking out some areas and this at night,
Speaker 3: and we heard it coming off the ridge above us
Speaker 3: to our right. And when it started coming, I mean,
Speaker 3: it was, oh my goodness, it was. It was coming. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: the Mountain Laurel up here in these mountains and certain areas,
Speaker 3: you know, it's pretty thick and that stuff was tough.
Speaker 3: As soon as it started coming off of that ridge,
Speaker 3: everybody spins their head around, so all the headlamps were
Speaker 3: point up that ridge and you could literally see that
Speaker 3: Mountain Laurel parting. I mean as it was coming down,
Speaker 3: and u it stopped within about ten yards of us.
Speaker 3: I mean just all of a sudden stopped. I don't
Speaker 3: we don't know if it jumped over the top of us,
Speaker 3: if it come to a trail right there, you know
Speaker 3: and cut off on a trail or something, or what
Speaker 3: it done. But it immediately stopped. But we were we
Speaker 3: were both braced for impact, you know, and like you
Speaker 3: won't get right over by a linebacker or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd done like prepared for you know, like a
Speaker 2: rabbit squatting down.
Speaker 3: Just no. Yeah, And then we've had some other things happening,
Speaker 3: you know, where we've had things thrown, you know, a
Speaker 3: small number of people there, and I mean some big
Speaker 3: opposites thrown and things like that. It's uh, and you
Speaker 3: know that's kind of where I get to have enough
Speaker 3: people to be safe, but not enough people to overwhelm things.
Speaker 2: And I think people when they, like I said, when
Speaker 2: they come on these expeditions, especially the ones that are skeptics,
Speaker 2: that's that's the best ones.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: We had we had a couple that come and and
Speaker 2: he did get to see Actually they both got farm
Speaker 2: that night and they had we have a base camp
Speaker 2: and they had put their camp or tent on the
Speaker 2: edge there, you know, around everybody else's and you know,
Speaker 2: that's where they wanted to be. That's fine. But apparently
Speaker 2: we got back two three o'clock in the morning and
Speaker 2: everybody going to bed, settling down, they had some stuff
Speaker 2: happened to them, and they got up and set around
Speaker 2: the campfire all night too, scared to go back to
Speaker 2: bed because of all the stuff that was happening. Because
Speaker 2: so it does follow you back sometimes. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean they're both.
Speaker 3: Believers now, and yeah they are. And that's uh, when
Speaker 3: we found out the next morning they had both set
Speaker 3: up around that campfire all night long and they're stoking
Speaker 3: that fire even it going. I told him, I sent him,
Speaker 3: why didn't you let me up? And he said, he
Speaker 3: you know, very nice guy, he said, he said well,
Speaker 3: we really didn't want to bother anyone, I said, buddy,
Speaker 3: I said, that's what I'm here for. And uh, needless say,
Speaker 3: next day they did move that their tent system on
Speaker 3: up there, very close around everyone else.
Speaker 2: I told God, I said, I don't think they'll come back.
Speaker 2: Ib you know, they signed up for how many three
Speaker 2: or four cents there?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's that's that's an intense experience that that
Speaker 1: they had in these areas for them. Yeah, absolutely absolutely
Speaker 1: in these areas that your guys are going to. You know,
Speaker 1: I talked to people from all over the US, and
Speaker 1: there are definitely different. You know, sometimes people are seeing
Speaker 1: things that look like an orangutan, or sometimes it's it
Speaker 1: looks like an old man or a humanoid type figure.
Speaker 1: Is there are there any uh, you know, common things
Speaker 1: that are usually seen in the sightings that your people
Speaker 1: are having when they are are being taken out on
Speaker 1: these expeditions.
Speaker 2: What I saw when I saw, like I said, that
Speaker 2: was two o'clock in the afternoon, not twenty five yards away,
Speaker 2: and it made a noise. Otherwise I probably went I
Speaker 2: looked that way, it made like a clicking noise, and
Speaker 2: I took a step back and looked about my four
Speaker 2: o'clock and it was behind a tree, and you know,
Speaker 2: you're looking. This was in September, so there wasn't a
Speaker 2: lot of green foliage left, foliage left or anything. I'm
Speaker 2: looking at it and it moves a little bit, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing something something. I'm looking at it. It's looking
Speaker 2: at me. There's no doubt. It's behind a tree. It
Speaker 2: had his hands around the tree, and his left shoulder was,
Speaker 2: you know, on the left side, but the right shoulders
Speaker 2: on the right side, so I mean the tree was.
Speaker 2: He was way bigger than the tree, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And he was like a cinnamon color. But it looked
Speaker 2: like a huge person to me, with no neck, with
Speaker 2: like a red reddish fur coat on. But the face,
Speaker 2: it had no hair on the face. It looked like clay. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like gray clay, you know. And I looked and I
Speaker 2: thought Scott and our friend was right behind me, but
Speaker 2: I apparently I went on up the ridge by myself
Speaker 2: and I said, you know, I remember saying Scott, and
Speaker 2: he said something down way down the ridge. You know,
Speaker 2: this thing starts moving a little bit more. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at him. He's looking at me and then you know, bouncing,
Speaker 2: and I said, Scott, like that and when I did,
Speaker 2: it dropped down and just it just dropped like a
Speaker 2: puff of smoke and was gone. Well he recognized, you know,
Speaker 2: something's wrong, and so they come running up the ridge
Speaker 2: and when they get up there, I'm just shaking all over,
Speaker 2: like you know, just had a huge dump of adrenaline.
Speaker 2: And you I tell him, I said, there's a bit
Speaker 2: there was a big foot there, you know, and pointed
Speaker 2: and my friend and I ran over to the tree
Speaker 2: I had pointed out to Scott. And if I had
Speaker 2: called that over the radio, I didn't realize it was
Speaker 2: a decline, so I would have thought about six foot.
Speaker 2: But by the time I got down there and seeing
Speaker 2: that it was on the decline, it would have had
Speaker 2: to have been like seven and a half eight foot tall.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The ones that we're you know, typically encountering up here,
Speaker 3: they're they're more human looking than apish. They're more kind
Speaker 3: of I would call it like nand orthotic. Yeah, on
Speaker 3: looking the Uh. Everyone I've had the opportunity to witness,
Speaker 3: have you know, you hear a lot of people say
Speaker 3: about the conical shaped head. Everyone that I've had the
Speaker 3: opportunity to witness has had a roundish round more round
Speaker 3: head not that up jettisoned conical.
Speaker 2: Shape and no neck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the no neck things just for their from
Speaker 3: their traps, their muscles and everything being you know, you
Speaker 3: think of an Alabama linebacker, you know, sitting there without
Speaker 3: his pads on, how he looks like he's trapping his
Speaker 3: muscles from the top and from the base of his
Speaker 3: skull out to shoves. That's that's kind of how these
Speaker 3: things are. And they can move and that age will
Speaker 3: say and that people say, well, they don't have any neck.
Speaker 3: They have to turn turn their body to be able
Speaker 3: to turn their head. That's wrong. These things turn their head.
Speaker 3: I've witnessed that personally in the daylight of them turning
Speaker 3: their head and it's uh. The only variation we have
Speaker 3: up here pretty much that we've encountered and noticed is
Speaker 3: color incise. Yes, the we have seen black ones, uh,
Speaker 3: Like Sheila said that the one she's seen was a
Speaker 3: cinnamon color type brown. We've had people report to us
Speaker 3: of seeing grave ones white and one white one. But
Speaker 3: that you know, they have that primate look typical will
Speaker 3: look but more Neanderthaltic. If that if you can imagine that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think at times, because we go to
Speaker 2: several different spots that we kick on routine, I think
Speaker 2: they recognize this.
Speaker 3: Big.
Speaker 1: So society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, much as where you.
Speaker 1: Go, Sheila. You said something in your account that made
Speaker 1: me almost fall out of my chair, and I'll explain why,
Speaker 1: but I have to be it's going to be vague.
Speaker 1: So an individual reached out to me from Iowa. I'm
Speaker 1: in Iowa, and he had shared about he's been checking
Speaker 1: out this area where there's been wood knocks happening, howls,
Speaker 1: but also there was a night where he had him
Speaker 1: and his friend there and they started to be surrounded
Speaker 1: in this wooded area and the creatures that were out
Speaker 1: there started clicking at them. And I was like, I've
Speaker 1: never heard the clicking thing, and I've been doing this
Speaker 1: for years, And when you just said clicking, I was like,
Speaker 1: holy mackerel. So is that a thing you guys are
Speaker 1: experiencing a lot down there where there's like these clicking
Speaker 1: things happening.
Speaker 2: Yes, And you know, at first I'm thinking, like I said,
Speaker 2: it had to be doing that to get my attention,
Speaker 2: Otherwise I had no reason to look where I was
Speaker 2: looking because I was at the top of reach looking
Speaker 2: over it, you know, looking at the dirt roads and
Speaker 2: everything down there, and I had to take a step
Speaker 2: back and go to my four o'clock. But that wasn't
Speaker 2: the first time we've been in the woods before and
Speaker 2: had the clicking, so we were associating it to it
Speaker 2: was wanting us to look that way maybe while the
Speaker 2: other one moves to distract us. Well, then we've we
Speaker 2: just recently heard uh from other people that this this
Speaker 2: is a what do you how do you want to
Speaker 2: say that? Like a mating thing or something like that.
Speaker 2: That's when I fell out of my chair.
Speaker 3: Chairs. Yeah, I don't have to compete with other fellows.
Speaker 3: I got to compete with.
Speaker 2: I don't think so not a forest ride, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, we've we've heard the clicks makes us a
Speaker 2: ton popping thing. I'm not sure how they do it.
Speaker 2: There's it's definitely a click.
Speaker 3: And we it's very noticeable. It's not something you know
Speaker 3: that did I think I heard that now? It's very noticeable.
Speaker 3: What happens.
Speaker 2: The only the thing that really has freaked me out.
Speaker 2: Scott and I were putting now We were hiking in
Speaker 2: the woods, of course, and we were going to set
Speaker 2: out audio and we were way back in the woods
Speaker 2: and I started hearing something. I said, do you hear that?
Speaker 2: And he says, now here's something off to my left.
Speaker 2: I said, none of them stop listen. It kind of
Speaker 2: sounded like somebody was like driving in a tent steak,
Speaker 2: you know, that kind of repetition. But then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it was almost like you're in front of
Speaker 2: a gorilla cage. It was like like it was building
Speaker 2: itself up. It done about three or four times, and
Speaker 2: the fourth one was like something was mad, you know,
Speaker 2: So of course we go down there to try to
Speaker 2: find it. We did get the audio put up, and
Speaker 2: we were gone for about three or four days. We
Speaker 2: came back and we brought two friends with us, my
Speaker 2: best friend and her husband. So Scott and him went
Speaker 2: back in the woods to retrude the audio, and she
Speaker 2: and I were around a fire. We were in the woods.
Speaker 2: We just went as deep as they were and it
Speaker 2: was just me and her and we're sitting there and
Speaker 2: I start here stuff and this was about dark. Start
Speaker 2: hearing something, and it's getting closer, and I've got all
Speaker 2: this on audio, and I said, you hear that. She says, no,
Speaker 2: I don't hear it. Of course she's she's not going
Speaker 2: to let the fire go out. She was busy trying
Speaker 2: to put wood on the fire. Sit down and listen.
Speaker 2: And it's the only thing I can liken it too.
Speaker 2: If you've ever heard of alligator growl, that real guttural growl,
Speaker 2: I got fourteen on those recorded. It was coming up
Speaker 2: from the ridge to Ada, was getting closer and closer
Speaker 2: to us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's fourteen of those growls on that
Speaker 3: audio and right right at the end of the last growl,
Speaker 3: one of the prettiest works everyone here. But it's and
Speaker 3: we're going to catch that on two different audios, on
Speaker 3: a recorder and on phone recorder, which was pretty neat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, you know. I sent it to
Speaker 2: a friend of mine and they said that, you know,
Speaker 2: thought it was an alpha male that you know, no
Speaker 2: women needed to be by their sell or children. Will
Speaker 2: let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: Who you were talking about your friend having a situation
Speaker 3: where they were out in the woods. You know they
Speaker 3: were thinking they were being surrounded. This is another reason
Speaker 3: why you know, we use the number of enough enough
Speaker 3: to be safe. Me and Sheila and three of our
Speaker 3: other friends. We were out just camping one evening and
Speaker 3: over the weekend, and we had a situation where we
Speaker 3: were at where we had at least three at these
Speaker 3: three different individuals just outside of the light of our
Speaker 3: camp tree knocking. I mean, these things were beating on
Speaker 3: trees like they were no tomorrow and whooping all around us.
Speaker 3: And we were surrounded that night and that was extremely,
Speaker 3: very uneasy feeling.
Speaker 2: You can tell them about two thirty that morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that about two thirty that morning, after we're all
Speaker 3: bedded down and everything, we've left lanterns and everything running.
Speaker 3: This particular night because of all the activity and everything
Speaker 3: that's going on, we had we had something walking in
Speaker 3: behind our tent within we were in a camper. Now
Speaker 3: that's different.
Speaker 2: How is the different?
Speaker 3: Wellin eight to ten yards of our tent and walk
Speaker 3: in and I fully expected to start hearing the the
Speaker 3: kitchen tent, the stuff, you know, start get rubbings through,
Speaker 3: and it didn't. But it walked in between our tent
Speaker 3: and our buddy that used to always go with us,
Speaker 3: he sleeps in a hammock of all things. And it
Speaker 3: gets over there close to him, and you can hear
Speaker 3: it leaving out like it's gonna go on past him. Well,
Speaker 3: it doesn't get probably ten yards past his hammock, and
Speaker 3: he turns around and does a woodmut right there. Next
Speaker 3: morning I asked him, I said, I said, you heard
Speaker 3: heard that last night? He said, of course I heard it.
Speaker 3: He said it's some other words, and he said, of
Speaker 3: course I heard that. He said it was right there.
Speaker 3: And I said, did you see it? And he said, man,
Speaker 3: I did not open my eyes? Are you crazy?
Speaker 2: That's the best thing to me, That's my most favorite
Speaker 2: thing is when you're you're asleep. And I love tent
Speaker 2: camp because you can hear it all real good that
Speaker 2: walk and reminds me of Jurassic Park with that couple
Speaker 2: of waters there and the percussion. It just wakes you
Speaker 2: up from a dead sleep and you know instantaneously that's
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 3: And what Sheila was asking me about was we had
Speaker 3: a we had a little small camper. It was a
Speaker 3: little thirteen foot you know, a little behind camper, and
Speaker 3: we were in pretty close to that same location. We
Speaker 3: were up there and we had betted down for the
Speaker 3: night and we had them whooping all around the camp
Speaker 3: and they were They walked into the camp and we
Speaker 3: had parked our jeep right behind our camp right there,
Speaker 3: and we had two that were, you know, sitting over
Speaker 3: there right in behind our jeep, just whooping and we're
Speaker 3: giggling about, you know, that wooping over there. All that
Speaker 3: kind of settled down a little bit and I had
Speaker 3: to cough all of a sudden, and when I did,
Speaker 3: I coughed really hard. Well, the moment I coughed, that
Speaker 3: little camper we were in got uh pushed almost off
Speaker 3: the blocks, but it was on.
Speaker 2: So it scared us and we scared them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh then she asked me, said, are you
Speaker 3: going out there? Of course not, I'm not because I
Speaker 3: know what's out there.
Speaker 2: The next day we could see like where something was
Speaker 2: on its knuckles, you know, and had crawled it there
Speaker 2: that way you could see really good muckle impressions.
Speaker 3: We run across the head, you know a lot of
Speaker 3: experiences and things, some good, some not so good, but overall,
Speaker 3: you know, we've had a blast with it something.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're not experts by any means of that word.
Speaker 2: I mean we learned stuff. We learned from people, we
Speaker 2: talked to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that to me, an expert will be a person
Speaker 3: that could tell you exactly what these things are, their origins,
Speaker 3: total nine hours about them. There's no one out there
Speaker 3: with those those credentials.
Speaker 1: No, there's not no and no experts yet for sure.
Speaker 1: Anyone that's been on any of your trips, have they
Speaker 1: ever experienced anything similar to to what people call infrasounds.
Speaker 3: No, not really. We've had a lot of severe nervousness,
Speaker 3: but okay, not that's not that party headaches and knowledge
Speaker 3: you but nothing that I would attribute to the whole
Speaker 3: thing where you hear people to my getting zapped and
Speaker 3: things like that with EF sound not.
Speaker 2: Really to me, it's almost like intuition, like when you
Speaker 2: know you shouldn't be there. We were in an old,
Speaker 2: old graveyard and once since we got out, it was
Speaker 2: like you could feel the tension so thick, you know,
Speaker 2: and it was not good. It's like your hair just
Speaker 2: stands up. And I told Scott we need to leave
Speaker 2: and everything was dead quiet. You know, when you get
Speaker 2: out and there's no birds, nothing going on. But during
Speaker 2: that time, if I hear any like a twig break
Speaker 2: or anything, I start taking pictures because if you can't
Speaker 2: see it with your eyes sometimes if you start taking
Speaker 2: random pictures, you know, and I did get something on that, yeah.
Speaker 3: A good picture that you know, trying to try and
Speaker 3: take your photos in the direction of wherever you hear
Speaker 3: the least little thing is. You know, the big things
Speaker 3: are obvious and they're not going to show those to
Speaker 3: you too much. It's that a little small like small
Speaker 3: twig crack or anything, that's what you're looking for. And
Speaker 3: we allows that on a lot of our expeditions, you
Speaker 3: know where when I have a group out and set
Speaker 3: on the hiking group, I have one team member that
Speaker 3: he stays on the back side of our hiking group.
Speaker 3: You know, he's monitoring both sides with thermals and behind
Speaker 3: us and everything. And one particular evening, we we have
Speaker 3: something thrown at us from the right hand side. Well,
Speaker 3: when things like that occur is his job. He starts
Speaker 3: skinning the entire area with the thermals, and that particular evening,
Speaker 3: he caught one on the left hand side. The what
Speaker 3: come from the right was just a distraction. He caught
Speaker 3: one on the left hand side over behind a rock,
Speaker 3: peeking up over a rock watching us. Now, this rock's
Speaker 3: not thirty five yards from us, and we everybody's watching
Speaker 3: him through thermal, you know, peeking over the rock. He's
Speaker 3: getting up high enough where you can see his head, shoulders,
Speaker 3: arms up her torso, so that went on for a
Speaker 3: pretty good while, and then I walked out there with
Speaker 3: this critter. My intention was for him, you know, to
Speaker 3: get up and walk off, or to run off, so
Speaker 3: everyone could see him move move away. One of my
Speaker 3: best friend's son, he's in his mid twenties, he asked
Speaker 3: me if he could go with me, and then he
Speaker 3: had a short discussion about the dudes, dawns and whatever
Speaker 3: is when we go out here. So I let him
Speaker 3: go with me, and we get out to this rock.
Speaker 3: I'm watching and paying close attention the whole time going
Speaker 3: out there, and about I was almost out of there
Speaker 3: to it, and my team member told me, hollered to me,
Speaker 3: and he said, I don't see it anymore right this minute.
Speaker 3: So then I thought, I said, well, he's laid down
Speaker 3: behind that rock. He's going. And I told the young
Speaker 3: man with him with me, I said, be careful, I said,
Speaker 3: we get over here, this thing's to jump straight up
Speaker 3: and take off. So we get over there and we
Speaker 3: look around behind the rock with our head lamps and
Speaker 3: there's nothing there. So immediately I pull out a big
Speaker 3: white light and shine in the direction I thought it
Speaker 3: may have went, and it was there, and I start
Speaker 3: scanning the area, and as I come around, I put
Speaker 3: the light right in this thing's face. He is fifteen
Speaker 3: yards away from us, squatted down with his back towards us.
Speaker 3: He's looking over and he has his shoulders turned. He's
Speaker 3: looking at us. Well. He had something on the ground
Speaker 3: right there that he was just not willing to leave.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he had a deer or what
Speaker 3: he had there to eat or whatever, but he wasn't
Speaker 3: willing to leave it. I told the young man that
Speaker 3: was with us, that's when I've become very nervous, you know,
Speaker 3: more so because I had him with me and told him,
Speaker 3: I said, he's backwards away from this, and he's on
Speaker 3: back to the group. So we did. The whole time,
Speaker 3: I'm keeping not directly on him, but the cast of
Speaker 3: the light on where I could watch him, and we
Speaker 3: ease on the back and get away from him, and
Speaker 3: then we kind of eased the group on the way because,
Speaker 3: like I said, he wasn't willing to leave what he had,
Speaker 3: so at that point, that wasn't a really good place
Speaker 3: for us to be. And that's actually the closest I've
Speaker 3: ever been to one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a little shoo up by that. Well,
Speaker 2: there was another time we were close to that same area,
Speaker 2: and I think this is kind of like in the beginning.
Speaker 2: And remember we had the guy that you think they
Speaker 2: reached out and grabbed his angle because Scott always tells
Speaker 2: everybody you know, if something happens, don't run because once
Speaker 2: you run, you've become prey. And Scott always tells him
Speaker 2: all I will tackle you if I need to to
Speaker 2: keep you from running to get hurt. He said, Now,
Speaker 2: if you see me or Sheila running, you better try
Speaker 2: to keep up.
Speaker 3: Or if you hear one of your guys say you're
Speaker 3: time to run, time to go. But yeah, that same
Speaker 3: particular area, I did have an individual take off on him.
Speaker 3: I'd say this area of the night or the day before,
Speaker 3: I'd carry folks up there and had a small game
Speaker 3: trail leading up to this area. Game trail about a
Speaker 3: foot and a half wide. All the foliage on each
Speaker 3: side of it was about between two and two and
Speaker 3: a half and three foot tall.
Speaker 1: Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Well, that evening, we have everybody up there and there's
Speaker 3: two guys that are watching, one on thermal and this
Speaker 3: individual he's away from the group just a little bit
Speaker 3: and he's panning around, you know, with a night beating.
Speaker 3: He's looking around, and all of a sudden, I hear it,
Speaker 3: because I'm not fifteen yards away from this individual. I
Speaker 3: hear the pop. I mean it was that kind of
Speaker 3: pop that I honestly thought he got snaked it, and
Speaker 3: that loud, and he stumbles around by falls down and
Speaker 3: it goes to take off, and I actually catch him
Speaker 3: and get that all settled down because I think he
Speaker 3: snaked it at this point in time. So we pull
Speaker 3: them riches, legs up and look, you know, no wounds
Speaker 3: or anything. So he's on over there to where you're
Speaker 3: standing at and I'm looking around. There's no rock there
Speaker 3: or something's thrown or stick or anything. Nothing there. And
Speaker 3: I look at that game trail, and this game trail
Speaker 3: now is not a foot and half wide. It's all
Speaker 3: the foliage is pushed down to the ground a good
Speaker 3: foot and a half more on each side of the trail,
Speaker 3: and it's that way for as far as I can
Speaker 3: look down that side of that mountain on that game trail.
Speaker 3: And after seeing that, I didn't say anything to anyone,
Speaker 3: but I kind of had it in my own mind
Speaker 3: of what had happened, and it's, uh, you know, that's
Speaker 3: it was a pretty unique situation. Well, the next day,
Speaker 3: when I carry him all up there and he gets
Speaker 3: to get back up there to see where he was
Speaker 3: standing at and all that, he tells me. Then he says,
Speaker 3: he said, all that toli is and he notices it.
Speaker 3: He said, all that Pholius and everything's pushed down. Then
Speaker 3: I told him, I said, yeah, the day before you
Speaker 3: came here, that photiue wasn't pushed down.
Speaker 2: That's the only time we've you know, people talk about
Speaker 2: the smell. That's the only time we've ever smelled an
Speaker 2: awful future smell. I mean it's like hitting.
Speaker 3: A brick wall. We smelled it before, but not like that.
Speaker 2: H well, I mean, yeah, to that extent, we smelled
Speaker 2: musky doll, you know.
Speaker 3: That that particular evening And you kind of have to
Speaker 3: picture this a little bit because from where our sitting
Speaker 3: group is at a firing to where these individuals we
Speaker 3: hack too, is up the side of a mountain. Once
Speaker 3: everyone heard about these smells were smelling all the way
Speaker 3: up this mountain. Scot went up the side of that
Speaker 3: mountain three times that night. Good extra sense, it was.
Speaker 3: But I slept well just for everyone to get smell
Speaker 3: these smells.
Speaker 2: But I don't want to. You know, people say I'd
Speaker 2: like to go on the expedition, but I can't hike in.
Speaker 2: It's not that, you know. We we stay at a
Speaker 2: base camp. Everybody's kind of camped together, whether you're in
Speaker 2: a small camp or ten or whatever. And then we
Speaker 2: don't go too sometimes we won't have to go anywhere.
Speaker 2: We don't go too far away from that to where
Speaker 2: we'll go and build a fire and whatever whoever wants
Speaker 2: to sit there can sit there, and whoever wants to
Speaker 2: hike will lead to hike or change off back and forth.
Speaker 2: But to be honest with you, once you build that
Speaker 2: fire and just start talking and you're their entertainment, they're
Speaker 2: going to come to you regardless. I mean, we've had
Speaker 2: them follow us back to the to the base.
Speaker 3: Camp, and the hiking group gets followed back to the
Speaker 3: fire ring area too.
Speaker 2: The very first expedition we ever had. Scott had one
Speaker 2: group and I had another. So we stopped in one
Speaker 2: area and I mean it's pitch black, dark, pitch black.
Speaker 2: We only had one guy in that group and the
Speaker 2: rest were females, and I think what was about seven people,
Speaker 2: I had something like that, And we were sitting around
Speaker 2: the fire ring and uh, out of the woodline because
Speaker 2: we're totally circled by the woods. At the woodline, rocks
Speaker 2: started getting thrown. But it was funny because they were
Speaker 2: only getting thrown at the one male in the group.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That, and everybody picked up on that, noticed that
Speaker 3: the only male there is the only person getting rocks
Speaker 3: thrown towards him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course he was very uncomfortable and I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't want you here.
Speaker 1: That's goodness.
Speaker 3: Wow. And you know a few lives in the fire ring,
Speaker 3: you know, a sitting group and a hiking group. We
Speaker 3: do our best to accommodate anyone you know that wants
Speaker 3: to do something like this, and it doesn't matter about
Speaker 3: their physical abilities. You know, if you can't hike, that's fine.
Speaker 3: We had that sitting area that you can participate in
Speaker 3: a lot of times, the sitting area has as much
Speaker 3: or more activity than the hiking groups.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true in females. I don't know what
Speaker 2: it is. You know that's that's true females and children. Well,
Speaker 2: we have a lot of activity at our house. We
Speaker 2: did not buy this house with that intention. We had
Speaker 2: no idea when we bought our cabin, but we found
Speaker 2: out and when the grant our grandkids are here, activity increases.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a lot, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had them. Let's see, jiggle the door handles, open,
Speaker 2: the screen door, slam it shut. Our daughter in law
Speaker 2: was the biggest skeptic I knew of. And she got
Speaker 2: up one night, was going to sleep on the couch,
Speaker 2: and that's when she says, I heard something walk on
Speaker 2: the porch. Jiggle the door handle, she said, I got
Speaker 2: it and went back to the bed, and she said,
Speaker 2: and a couple of minutes later, it starts tapping under
Speaker 2: the window. Well, we had other people say the same
Speaker 2: thing that stayed here before it taps under the window.
Speaker 2: It just I guess we've gotten so used to it.
Speaker 2: We just if it wanted to kick in the door,
Speaker 2: I mean, what are we gonna do.
Speaker 1: A few people listening to this are gonna say, how
Speaker 1: do you they're going to be like that sounds like
Speaker 1: ghost stuff. Are there things at your house happening that
Speaker 1: make you think, oh yeah, this is This is absolutely
Speaker 1: one hundred percent a big Foot related stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2: We can slay it.
Speaker 3: This is no.
Speaker 2: When we first moved here, we were like, lead in bed,
Speaker 2: what awake? Because like I told you about the footsteps.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a little path at the end of
Speaker 2: our house that goes down there to the water, and
Speaker 2: I called the pit pit cemetery path. I don't know why,
Speaker 2: but you can hear here run boom boom, boom, boom boom.
Speaker 2: It would turn our motion to take her push them up.
Speaker 2: It would oh my gosh, think what else?
Speaker 3: This home when we first bought it and had floodlights
Speaker 3: on all corners, but the floodlights were activated on switch
Speaker 3: inside the home. And I went to turn the floodlights
Speaker 3: on one evening and they didn't come on on the
Speaker 3: back side of the house, and I thought myself, I said,
Speaker 3: you know, that's pretty unique. Have both bulls blow at
Speaker 3: the same time. Now, to get to this corner of
Speaker 3: our home, it takes a twelve foot a frame ladder
Speaker 3: to get up or to change those bults. So I
Speaker 3: break out my ladder. The next day, have me in
Speaker 3: two new bulbs. I run up the ladder to change
Speaker 3: these bulbs out. When I grabbed the first bulb, it's loose. Well,
Speaker 3: it took four quarter turns to tie that bull back up. Well.
Speaker 3: I reached over and grab the other one. This loose also,
Speaker 3: and it's the same exact thing. Four quarter turns tie
Speaker 3: this bull up. Well. Now this house does not vio
Speaker 3: break or have any you know, any kind of rattling
Speaker 3: in like that to cause those bullets loosened up on
Speaker 3: their own. And I got to think, and I said,
Speaker 3: wait a minute. So I run down the ladder, run
Speaker 3: back in the house, run over, flip the switch on,
Speaker 3: and the lights come on, and I'm laughing to myself.
Speaker 3: I left right then went and picked up two motion
Speaker 3: to take her lights for that side of the house
Speaker 3: and installed them. Well, when I installed them, had them
Speaker 3: off set like I want them. We let because we
Speaker 3: were laying in bed at night in our bedroom, we
Speaker 3: we can actually see that one particular light come on.
Speaker 3: So I'm laying there waiting on that light to come on.
Speaker 3: And nothing happened that night the first night, but the
Speaker 3: second night the light come on. I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: we got you now. Well the motion light at the
Speaker 3: other end of the house. She was now a hostless nurse,
Speaker 3: so sometimes she has to work in the evenings, comes
Speaker 3: home after dark. So we set that one up so
Speaker 3: when she pulls in out of the car port, the
Speaker 3: light will come on so she can see, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot better to get to the back door. And
Speaker 3: I had it set just right for and everything. Well,
Speaker 3: she pulls up one day and she says, hey, that
Speaker 3: light didn't come on. So I walked down and looked
Speaker 3: and the head the motion tacked her head on that
Speaker 3: light was pushed all the way up to the roof light. Well,
Speaker 3: these heads on these things, know, when you put this
Speaker 3: light together, there's teeth on these things that interlock to
Speaker 3: hold them in position. And you can't hardly move that
Speaker 3: thing without breaking it. And do that, I had to
Speaker 3: physically take that thing apart to pull the head back
Speaker 3: down to reset it. And it's uh, you know, little
Speaker 3: things like that right there.
Speaker 2: Well, we've been sitting at our fire pit in the
Speaker 2: front yard and it's i know, exactly six point fifty
Speaker 2: and it's recorded and we're sitting there and just right
Speaker 2: across the road. Now mind you, we're on a dead
Speaker 2: end road. There's five houses on this road, and you
Speaker 2: can't see each house, like you know, I can't see
Speaker 2: the neighbor's house or whatever. And we're like in a
Speaker 2: basin in between mountains. But something started right there across
Speaker 2: the road, and I'm telling you it would give you
Speaker 2: chill bumps. It was. It was like the biggest whoop
Speaker 2: to begin with. And right after that the code you
Speaker 2: started kicking in. And it just in the house. So
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and Scott gets something. He said, I'm
Speaker 2: going to the house and get my gun. I said, well,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting right here. And I recorded that and it
Speaker 2: continued doing like that for the rest of the night.
Speaker 2: I mean, we can we can leave audio on the
Speaker 2: front porch, you know, and get all kinds of recordings.
Speaker 2: I can be in the bathroom getting ready in the morning,
Speaker 2: had the window up, and they'll start howling down the
Speaker 2: down the way there. You know, it's just not unusual.
Speaker 3: I'll be it's you know, I'm used to the fact
Speaker 3: of it and never think. And a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of our neighbors. One of our neighbors in particular,
Speaker 3: he's had a sauding out here, and he'll text me
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night, and hey, step out
Speaker 3: on your front porch, and we all step out on
Speaker 3: the front porch and there there on the ridges aling.
Speaker 2: And these things are smart, I'm telling you their observance.
Speaker 2: Scott was staying back and forth in Florida for a while.
Speaker 2: He he was down there with family, and so I
Speaker 2: was here at the house by myself. Other than you know,
Speaker 2: my little dogs. They know when he's not here. He
Speaker 2: might take him a day or two, but activity will increase,
Speaker 2: you know. I got like I said, I've gotten to
Speaker 2: the point where it just don't matter. I'll come out
Speaker 2: here and go to bed, because if they wanted to
Speaker 2: come inside, there's nothing I could do to stop them
Speaker 2: in the first place. But about four o'clock that morning,
Speaker 2: I heard something out of that bedroom window. I just
Speaker 2: made a mental note of it. When I got up
Speaker 2: to go leave. The next morning, I go around and
Speaker 2: look where I heard the noise. For sure enough, there's
Speaker 2: a huge track right there. It's it's on our TikTok page.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It was right there at the window. So that's not
Speaker 2: unusual now, And.
Speaker 3: Prior to be, you know, fixing the motion tators. We'd
Speaker 3: be here at the house, the side of the house
Speaker 3: and get slapped. Our gas team would get slapped our
Speaker 3: meter box, something about that mer box. They love that
Speaker 3: that meter box for some reason, but they will they
Speaker 3: will slap fire around of it.
Speaker 2: There was one time our neighbor Texas and told us
Speaker 2: to step outside. He's at the very end of the road.
Speaker 2: Scott went out there first, and then he called me
Speaker 2: outside and I got outside on the front porch and
Speaker 2: something let out, some kind of I tell you what.
Speaker 2: It was like a war cry. It's the only thing
Speaker 2: I can liken it too. But again I had that
Speaker 2: rapid thing where you just don't know where to run,
Speaker 2: you know what what to do? It done that, and
Speaker 2: about I don't know, about five seconds later, on the
Speaker 2: other side of the house there was another one that
Speaker 2: let out one like that. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: were fixing fight. I don't know what was going on,
Speaker 2: but it who scared me to death.
Speaker 3: Yeah, up here on these ridges, there seems to be
Speaker 3: like a clan that stays in this area all the time.
Speaker 3: In two times a year, in a spring and in
Speaker 3: the fall.
Speaker 2: Keeps up.
Speaker 3: The activity around here picks up dramatically, and you can
Speaker 3: tell it's like it's like two titans have met each
Speaker 3: other on the ridge side up there, because it will
Speaker 3: sound like battle royal going on up there. And like
Speaker 3: I said that, those that happens about twice a year
Speaker 3: in the spring and fall. Here.
Speaker 2: I walked out of the back porch before, and you know,
Speaker 2: you can know what's especially a woman. I know what's
Speaker 2: in my yard, what's in my little flower garden there
Speaker 2: or whatever. And I looked over there and there was
Speaker 2: a quartz rock sitting by the front stairs. And I asked, gott,
Speaker 2: I said, did you leave that there? So I think
Speaker 2: they do stuff like that, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the rocks at the light.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something about that.
Speaker 3: You know how when you weed each your yard and
Speaker 3: everything you moan your yard, you know what's in your yard.
Speaker 3: And I had just we did not a day or
Speaker 3: so before, out behind the house here and me and
Speaker 3: She'll were out there for some reason and we were
Speaker 3: walking around a little and that there's two quartz rocks
Speaker 3: leading about three foot apart, you know, parallel to each other.
Speaker 3: And I see these rocks and I look it up there,
Speaker 3: those lights I told her, I said, let's come back,
Speaker 3: you know, just after dust's dark and see something. So
Speaker 3: we waited till just before dust dark. We walked down
Speaker 3: that path and as soon as it was dark enough
Speaker 3: that I knew those emotional lights would come on, I
Speaker 3: started walking up toward the house. As soon as I
Speaker 3: got to the quartz rocks right down, the light comes
Speaker 3: on and I'm giggling myself about it. And then because they're
Speaker 3: marking where that light comes on, so I picked their
Speaker 3: rocks up and I leave them the same disk as are
Speaker 3: moving forward toward the house about three feet and I said, well,
Speaker 3: y'all won't know where your marker is now. You'll trip
Speaker 3: lots that that they triple lots. And you know, it's
Speaker 3: like a game, you know, and we call this playing
Speaker 3: games sometimes, but you know it's like a game. Okay,
Speaker 3: I called you this time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we enjoy what we do. Otherwise we'd probably
Speaker 2: be traumatized and moving a big apartment in the middle
Speaker 2: of Atlanta somewhere right right.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you guys are having some stuff happening
Speaker 1: around your house, and it's just it is very interesting
Speaker 1: the perspective because all have things like you've just shared
Speaker 1: to me from people and they will be just out
Speaker 1: of their mind, just like what is going on? But
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are into it, which is awesome,
Speaker 1: and it's it's on and how you look at it.
Speaker 1: I do want to ask on exportitions, what what do
Speaker 1: you think is the weirdest thing that has happened? That's
Speaker 1: just like, God, don't don't really get what that was
Speaker 1: all about?
Speaker 2: How your orbs?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were out on one one evening and we
Speaker 3: had an ORB appear in a food plot of all places,
Speaker 3: and this orb was about the size and shape of
Speaker 3: a nerf football well. This orb appeared and it traveled
Speaker 3: down the side that food plot for a distance of
Speaker 3: about seventy five yards and there are four of us
Speaker 3: witnessing this orb. And it's uh, she was in in
Speaker 3: that area with us, but she was up in the
Speaker 3: area behind where, just out of side where she couldn't
Speaker 3: see this light coming, this orb. And once it got
Speaker 3: about twenty five yards up the food plot, coming directly
Speaker 3: towards us, it turned and went off into the forest
Speaker 3: and in behind the burn well. Once I went in
Speaker 3: behind the bern, we didn't you couldn't see it anymore. Didn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't illuminated or anything like that. So we come
Speaker 3: back the next day and walk over there in behind
Speaker 3: that burn and all the foliage is crushed down to
Speaker 3: the ground like something that had embedded and laid right there.
Speaker 3: And hindsight, thinking about it, I kind of wish we
Speaker 3: had a walked over there through that burn that night,
Speaker 3: but we didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're still trying to figure the orbs out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that orb you know, they're a that's unique, you know,
Speaker 3: having't got a real good grip on that. I don't
Speaker 3: think anybody does. My thing is.
Speaker 2: Probably not My thing is the tracks. You know, we've
Speaker 2: we've seen tracks. I've seen tracks and the snow and
Speaker 2: all them, and they just disappear. Where did they go?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But when when when a track line just totally
Speaker 3: disappears in an area where be it snow soft train
Speaker 3: like that? I mean, if you're in some of this
Speaker 3: rock hard train, I totally understand them disappear, but and
Speaker 3: snow a soft train. When a track line just totally disappear,
Speaker 3: I mean it just it's no longer there and there's
Speaker 3: nothing around for something to jump up in the trees
Speaker 3: to travel in the trees. Where the trees aren't big
Speaker 3: enough to support something.
Speaker 2: When we first got into this, we went down this
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. Scott and I both were in agreement. You know, Okay,
Speaker 2: We're just going to concentrate on big fit. I don't
Speaker 2: want to talk about all this other stuff that people
Speaker 2: are talking about orbs, dog men, all these other cryptis
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. You know, this is just too much
Speaker 2: to bite off at one time. But I'm telling you now,
Speaker 2: once you start down this rabbit hole, forget it, because
Speaker 2: there's so many branches, you know, like I said, with
Speaker 2: the track to the orbs, and that went a dog,
Speaker 2: that was a dog man, that was this, it was that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like you're gonna have way more
Speaker 2: answers than you'll ever questions rather than you have answers.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I definitely agree with you. The more I
Speaker 1: talk to people, it's like, and the weird stuff is
Speaker 1: definitely part of it, and way more questions than answers
Speaker 1: at this point. I don't know if that'll ever flip around.
Speaker 1: We'll see, but man, guys, it has been just such
Speaker 1: a fun chat with you. I'm sure there well, there's
Speaker 1: a few wrap up questions I would say.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned a few times where you've taken photos, you've
Speaker 1: had audio recordings. Are there any places that people can
Speaker 1: see these photos and hear what you've recorded.
Speaker 2: I post a lot of that on our TikTok page
Speaker 2: squat Fishing Outfitters.
Speaker 3: And will you love the TikTok by for posts and
Speaker 3: stuff like that more so than our Facebook page.
Speaker 2: And we encourage people, you know, we enjoy this so much.
Speaker 2: We've been helping this little lady that's having a problem
Speaker 2: with a big foot and you know, we have not
Speaker 2: seen it yet. I don't It might be a bear,
Speaker 2: it might be a possum, who knows, but she's terrified
Speaker 2: to death, you know, and we're trying our best to
Speaker 2: help her. So, you know, if people want to ask
Speaker 2: us if they're having problems, we can help them in
Speaker 2: any way or tell them and give them ideas. We're
Speaker 2: all about that too.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's awesome. We have a Facebook page Quatch fash Outfitters.
Speaker 3: In our TikTok page.
Speaker 1: If people are like you know, it sounds like I
Speaker 1: would love to look into maybe checking out an expedition
Speaker 1: with you guys. What's the best way to contact regarding.
Speaker 3: That the best way to contact us is through messenger
Speaker 3: on Facebook, through our school fishing messenger, or our phone numbers.
Speaker 3: Our phone numbers are on our page. They can take
Speaker 3: to you the one of us.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic, man, It's it's that you've got some really
Speaker 1: cool stuff going on down there. North Georgia is one
Speaker 1: of those places I just love to talk to people
Speaker 1: for North Georgia. It doesn't matter if it's the northeast,
Speaker 1: central or northwest, and there's a lot of stuff going
Speaker 1: on in that state up in the north. But guys,
Speaker 1: you know, definitely stay in touch. I'm sure you'll be
Speaker 1: getting into even more crazy things. But but I'll have
Speaker 1: the links in the show notes for for how they
Speaker 1: can reach out to you and maybe take part in
Speaker 1: the expedition themselves. But thank you again for coming on
Speaker 1: the show. It has been a fun time.
Speaker 2: Guys, thank you so much for having us.
Speaker 3: If you get this, come go with us.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I just wanted to say thank you for
Speaker 1: listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Scott
Speaker 1: in Sheila's story is one that lingers, not just because
Speaker 1: of the rocks thrown in the dark or the truck
Speaker 1: that shook, but because it shows how quickly a life
Speaker 1: can change when you finally see what you thought was impossible.
Speaker 1: So huge thanks to Scott and Sheila Granger for sharing
Speaker 1: their powerful encounters from the forests of North Georgia and
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