WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:17.559 Oh there. M hm. 2 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:37.320 Trigger warn This podcast may include explicit content that will 3 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.439 take you out of your comfort zone and make you 4 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:40.479 question reality. 5 00:00:40.920 --> 00:01:00.000 Listener's discretion is advised. Hmm. 6 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:06.959 Hello and welcome back to the brand new cult mini series. 7 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:10.280 In this series, Colby and I will be taking you 8 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:15.239 on a journey through the mysteries of mental illness. This 9 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:18.959 series was actually inspired by a conversation Colby and I 10 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:24.159 were having about a local crazy homeless guy who may 11 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:28.200 or may not have machete some poor guys head off 12 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.680 in Ashland. You were telling me. 13 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:33.599 Yeah, I think you're taking a lot of stories and 14 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:34.640 clumping them together. 15 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:39.359 Anyways, We're gonna be talking about the history of mental illness, 16 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:44.319 the medieval treatments all the way to the modern day outlook, 17 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:51.239 is mental illness more of a misunderstood spiritual condition or 18 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:57.239 simply something that can be prescribed away or therapy sessioned away? 19 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:01.959 This is the topic and today today's episode is can 20 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:08.400 Spire Asylum Part one the Loboto Matrix and Colby is 21 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:11.599 joining me for this series. Colby, how are you? 22 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:15.800 I'm good? Feeling extra insane tonight? 23 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.479 I knew it me too, And isn't it sick? 24 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:20.560 It's a full moon. 25 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:24.680 I think, oo, you can be lunatics tonight. 26 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:27.000 I'm too tired to be a lunatic. 27 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:34.919 August eighth, so we have eight eight lions gate energy 28 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:39.719 plus a full moon. There's probably a lot of homeless 29 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:44.479 crazy people running around somewhere, machete in people's heads off. 30 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:48.560 It's a waxing gibbus tonight. It's not quite full Oh. 31 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:52.199 It's a waxing gibbis. Are you excited for this new 32 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:52.960 mini series? 33 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:55.960 Super excited? 34 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:01.560 So where should we begin? At the beginning? Right? The 35 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.000 history of mental illness? 36 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:10.199 Yeah? I think a good reference point to start things 37 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:15.479 off would be what many people think the definition of 38 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:16.439 insanity is. 39 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.439 It's not doing something over and over again. 40 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.240 Okay, so do you know that the phrase how it goes? 41 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.080 I don't know what word for word, The definition of 42 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.960 insanity is repeating the same thing over and over but 43 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:30.280 expecting different results. Something. 44 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:31.639 That's not the definition. 45 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.520 No, it isn't. But do you know who is attributed 46 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:35.960 to having had said that? 47 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:37.280 Some idiot? 48 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:42.599 Well, don't look at my notes. I have heard it 49 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:45.520 was Albert Einstein. Oh yeah, you know what that does? 50 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:46.439 Sound familiar. 51 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:51.639 I've also heard it was Benjamin Franklin. 52 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:54.080 I don't know. 53 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:59.759 I also heard that it was Mark Twain. I can 54 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:00.719 I could. 55 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.400 Get behind the first one and that one, but not 56 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:06.240 Ben Franklin. He just didn't seem like the type to 57 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:06.800 be saying. 58 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:11.000 Well, the funny thing is none of those three men 59 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:11.439 said that. 60 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:12.639 Who the fuck said it? 61 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.279 Well, when you dig around a little bit, it looks 62 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:18.839 like the first place that it's that it was printed 63 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:22.120 or was like said to be a thing other than 64 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:27.439 people saying other people said it, because there's no documentation 65 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.199 of any of those three aforementioned people having said it. 66 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:35.560 But the earliest is from a fucking alan On magazine article, 67 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:43.120 like a a non said it. Alanon is alcoholics, Anonymous 68 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:48.439 is for alcoholics. Alan On is for loved ones or 69 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:52.439 family members of alcoholics. Really, you haven't heard of alan On. 70 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:53.040 No. 71 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.199 So they all have their sayings, you know, alcoholics, Anonymous 72 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:01.600 has their However, you want to look at their twelve 73 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:05.439 steps and the things they tell you that you have 74 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:08.120 to do and that you have to have the power 75 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:12.959 come from without from outside yourself. But Alann had this 76 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:18.240 other thing where they basically said, I mean, I'm paraphrasing 77 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:22.600 what the statement meant, but it seemed like it was sane. 78 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:29.439 Addicts are it's a form of insanity, and you kind. 79 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.680 Of have to Okay, Yeah, but it's been so liberally 80 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:38.800 applied the word insanity. No, that's stupid. Oh, it's expectingly 81 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:40.199 it's doing the same thing. 82 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:44.000 Let's break that statement down, because if that was true, 83 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.959 nobody who ever practiced anything that they got good at 84 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:50.879 would have ever kept going unless they were insane. Because 85 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:54.560 if you fucking start throwing darts, you're doing the same 86 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.120 thing trying to get better, and you are expecting different results. 87 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.759 And if you practice enough at anything, you will get better. 88 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:04.319 But practicing in and of itself is doing the same thing. 89 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:06.480 Over and over. That's why I'm saying that, and. 90 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:09.600 Getting different results because you're getting better at it. 91 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:14.920 Yeah. Well, anyway, we're getting into semantics of the word insanity. 92 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:20.120 And another thing that I find interesting is that insanity 93 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:24.279 in technical terms, there's only one place you can find it. Today. 94 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:29.800 It's been replaced by a whole slew of mental health nomenclature. 95 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:34.639 And now, what's your guess on where it is still 96 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:45.160 a technical term insanity? I'll give you a hint. Serial killers, Well, 97 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:51.000 they don't use insane anymore. The word insane technical terms. 98 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:55.639 Unless it's in the court of law. You can plead insanity. 99 00:06:55.720 --> 00:07:00.120 Right, okay, Temporary insanity. 100 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:04.920 Or temporary insanity is a plea. Usually it seems like 101 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:09.279 a plea of desperation, but you can plead full on 102 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:10.199 insanity too. 103 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.279 There were other words like back in the day, like 104 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.160 you could say somebody was mad, you could say somebody 105 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:23.800 was uh, even possessed. They would say that people were 106 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:27.759 possessed or mad or insane retarded. 107 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:34.839 Well, yeah, but those are two overlapping things, right. Retardation 108 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:41.240 mental illness of any kind is a pretty broad term. 109 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.319 But I would say that when we used to call 110 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:50.240 people insane or crazy, you were talking about some kind 111 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:57.160 of biological neurological disorder, which they still don't know exactly 112 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:59.319 what causes it to this day. They claim they do 113 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.120 because they saw a lot of pharmaceuticals. And I do 114 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:03.920 believe that we were going to get into that in 115 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:09.079 full scale in the second episode. Yes, but pharmaceuticals aside. 116 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.600 If you want to start getting into the early history 117 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:18.199 of mental illness slash insanity, you're not going to find 118 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:25.519 a lot out there before, like Greek societies, where every 119 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:34.600 form of mental illness was attributed to a supernatural origin, paranormal, supernatural, religious, 120 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:36.840 fill in the blank with that kind of word, and 121 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.120 that was what was going on. Even when you get 122 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:46.080 back into like ancient tribal society and shamanism, which I 123 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:48.159 think once we start getting into it, I have an 124 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:51.240 article I want to read about a guy who came 125 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:55.200 over to America from somewhere in Africa in the early 126 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:59.039 eighties and he couldn't believe the way that we look 127 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.000 at it because their cultures have always looked at it 128 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:05.600 as something completely different, which will we will get into. 129 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:08.960 But what are your thoughts on like how it kind 130 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:14.080 of emerged and more often to what it is today. 131 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:19.559 Well, I think I think, uh, as we're going to 132 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:23.679 kind of get into in the second episode about pharmaceuticals 133 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:28.120 and the big money machine that is mental illness, you'll 134 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.840 kind of see this pattern developing. We're in the beginning 135 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:35.360 in like ancient cultures, which I'm going to touch on 136 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.919 a little bit, if you had someone in your community 137 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.840 that was insane or whatever the fuck was wrong with them, 138 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.720 they treated it as like a spiritual condition and they 139 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:51.720 like nurtured the person and they like tried to you know, 140 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:55.120 do remedies and stuff on the person to get to 141 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:59.000 try to fix them. And now it's just like it. 142 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.519 We've gotten to the point where it's just like shoven 143 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:06.600 peels down people's throats. They completely removed the spiritual aspect, 144 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.639 I mean to zero. There is no spiritual aspect of 145 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:15.720 it anymore. It's all medicine. And in the beginning they 146 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:20.159 would do like rituals, they would do prayers on people. 147 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:26.639 Uh they you know, they thought supernatural forces or even 148 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:32.080 curses or deities, could it be responsible for their condition? 149 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.799 And they even something that both of us wanted to 150 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:42.399 talk about is like the the practice of the Trephi nation, 151 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:49.440 I guess is what it's called, like Jeffrey Dahmer's style, 152 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:50.679 I mean skulls. 153 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.039 You make a great point. I did want to counter 154 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:56.919 a couple things you said, just because I don't think 155 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.919 the spiritual element has completely disappeared in modern day in 156 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:03.799 mainstream society for the most part, it has. But you 157 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:11.159 can still look at Catholicism and other similar organizations that 158 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:12.080 treat this as. 159 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:18.080 It We're talking about like the mainstream narrative, when you 160 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.759 find a schizophrenic person, it's not to take them to 161 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:24.480 the pope, it's to take them to for sure somewhere 162 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:25.440 to get pills. 163 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:28.639 Yeah, when you do look at it through normal eyes, 164 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:31.519 that is the go to. But I don't think it's 165 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:36.320 completely disappeared. And I also don't think the spiritual element 166 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:41.000 back in the day was always met with a nurturing reaction. 167 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:45.120 I think sometimes even early on, there was a lot 168 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:49.120 of outcasting going on with people who had mental illness, 169 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:53.840 and especially when you started getting into like the European 170 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:59.000 societies where this was showing up, and it was talking 171 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:03.159 about even before right, right, But I would say the 172 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:08.039 outcasting of the mentally ill did have a huge uptick 173 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:12.679 once it was you know, the stigma attached to it. 174 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:15.759 It was if your family had any kind of name 175 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:19.279 or reputation, that was the last thing that you wanted 176 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:23.360 to be associated with. And even back in the day 177 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.879 when there was like tribalism and shamanism was a big 178 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:30.240 thing going on, there was a lot of tribes that 179 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.360 were scared of this and they it was met with 180 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:38.320 a huge misunderstanding and fear. But yeah, it's never just 181 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:41.080 been like one way across the board how we've reacted 182 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:45.799 to mental illness, and it may never be unless we 183 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:50.120 do have some huge breakthrough and understanding, because I'm of 184 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.600 the mindset that it could be spiritual and physical and 185 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:55.679 sometimes more so one or the other. 186 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:00.360 Well, I could get down with that, but I try 187 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:03.679 to look at like a bunch of different ancient cultures 188 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:09.200 to see how things have escalated to this point to 189 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.679 where you know, we look at it the way that 190 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:16.960 we do. And you know, is every homeless person just 191 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.960 possessed by a demon? I don't know that. So yeah, 192 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.759 could it be some spiritual some physical? 193 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:27.000 Yes, well in the two build upon one another. 194 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.159 Yeah, sure. I mean, I know you wanted to talk 195 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:34.320 about Greece, but before we do that, can I touch 196 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:35.519 on a few other ancients? 197 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:37.480 Yeah? Yeah, I was just using Greece as one of 198 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:42.000 those examples of the more compassionate. 199 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:45.519 They were the one of the more compassionate. 200 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:49.039 So even though there's elements I'm gonna touch on that 201 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:51.960 show how fucking far behind they were in some ways. 202 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.600 No, I agree with you on that, but I'm gonna 203 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:59.480 let you actually cover that one. I have Mesopotamia as 204 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:04.519 one of the and so I looked into and they 205 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:08.039 were big into like thinking that people were possessed by 206 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:15.960 deities and they would say, like the hands of those 207 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:19.879 deities like that. That they would say the hands of 208 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:25.240 ish tar was used as a psychological illness, like a 209 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:29.120 term for psychological illness, like they were cursed or something. 210 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:36.039 Really, yeah, remember that word. My son always says it. 211 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:38.240 Oh yeah, he's kind of stopped. 212 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.120 But it was like one of his first things like 213 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:41.360 to say. And we wondered why. 214 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:45.039 Yeah, So they would say if somebody was like insane, 215 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:47.559 they would say that they had the hands of ishtar. 216 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:52.200 So whatever deity they thought was possessing them or cursing 217 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:54.039 them or plaguing them. 218 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:55.519 And then. 219 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.840 In Mesopotamia, the royal family of el I guess that 220 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:05.919 was one of the big royal families or whatever. It 221 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:13.200 was notorious for its members frequently being insane. This royal 222 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:17.000 family in ancient Mesopotamia makes you wonder if they were 223 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:20.279 doing a little incestuous shit right for so many of 224 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:25.039 their family members to be fucking insane. But they actually 225 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:32.080 said that a rectile dysfunction was a psychological problem in 226 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:38.480 ancient Mesopotamia. And you know, men have needed blue shoe 227 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:41.399 since literally the beginning of time. 228 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:44.080 Can we insert the sam tripoli Id reader right here? 229 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.440 But that was interesting to me. It's like this one 230 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:56.320 royal family was specifically or particularly afflicted with mental illness 231 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.120 and they would blame it on having soft penises. Yes, 232 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:05.960 I mean I would agree that their penises were so 233 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:08.559 soft it drove them insane. 234 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.440 Or vice versa. I think that them looking at it 235 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:16.679 as a psychological disorder was thinking way ahead of the 236 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.720 time for what we are led to believe that culture 237 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.960 had at their fingertips as far as information goes. But yeah, 238 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:27.840 I think nine times out of ten there are certain 239 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:31.799 physical afflictions that can cause impotency, but for the most 240 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:38.279 part it is psychological. So good job Mesopotamia. 241 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.000 Yeah, good job Mesopotamia. 242 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:43.240 You think they put hummus on their blue cheoe? Yes, 243 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:45.240 they did hum chew. 244 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:48.360 Yeah, it was actually called to bully chow. 245 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.200 Well nice. 246 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.840 Anyways, I'm gonna skip Rome, even though I put a 247 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:59.759 bunch of notes in here, because Greece and Rome kind 248 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:02.080 of go hand in hand. So I'm just gonna skip 249 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:03.200 to the next one I had. 250 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.759 Yeah, they just inherited everything from them. 251 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:11.640 Right, So mental disorders in ancient Egypt. This is one 252 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:14.799 that I wanted to talk to you about because you 253 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:20.160 found out a bunch of information about Hippocrates, and actually 254 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:21.960 I think now would be a good time to talk 255 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:23.119 about that before. 256 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:28.119 I pronounced Hippocrates. Have you seen Bill and Ted? 257 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:32.480 Yes, so Crates, I forgot about that. 258 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:36.799 Yeah, I mean it is how it's spelled, the Hippocrates, and. 259 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.240 You talk about Hippocrates in Rome, and then I'll talk 260 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.680 about ancient Egypt because I think they actually kind of 261 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:44.359 tie together. 262 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.440 Well, ancient Egypt, I'll say right off the bat, we're 263 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.079 highly advanced in the way they looked at it. Yes, 264 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.039 they sounded like a Joe Rogan podcast. When it came 265 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.799 to mental illness. They basically their answer to it was 266 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:09.480 to expose the afflicted to socializing, recreation and creativity. So 267 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:13.920 if melancholy strikes someone for an amount of time, they 268 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:18.519 would push them to engage with you know, go to 269 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:26.680 a concert, paint picture, do whatever. And oftentimes it was successful. 270 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.400 Of course, people like Joe Rogan don't realize that sometimes 271 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:34.400 people are just fucking depressed or mentally afflicted in ways 272 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.839 that can't be but it does help a lot of people. 273 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.920 Like the stagnant lifestyle, having everything you need, not really 274 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:44.400 having adversity in your day to day life. I mean, 275 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.559 these are things that are preached now in the right 276 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:51.400 wing wellness community, but there is a lot to it. 277 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:54.519 It's not the end all, be all cure, but I 278 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:57.519 think the Egyptians were ahead of their time for thinking 279 00:18:57.640 --> 00:18:58.720 like that, and. 280 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.599 The same lines with Joe Rogan. The ancient Egyptians also 281 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:11.079 said to cure hysteria and melancholy, they should take hallucinogens, right, 282 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:15.680 So that was another thing that the ancient Egyptians kind of. 283 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:20.599 And that fucking toe shaped gnome is obsessed with Egypt. 284 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:24.920 So yeah, I mean, well, who is it really they did? 285 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:28.079 They did spells and shit too, Don't don't get it twisted. 286 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:34.759 In ancient Egypt, there were They did use certain temples 287 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:39.279 and spell casting and hallucinogens, and. 288 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:43.279 They also believed in the wandering Uterus, which we will 289 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:47.279 talk about. That even kind of crosses over into hippocrites. 290 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:49.720 Would you say his fucking name? 291 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:56.200 Right, I'm saying it, Bill and tedstyle Hippocrates. For as 292 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:59.640 much as he was given credit for, he was also 293 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:00.400 kind of looney. 294 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:05.279 Yeah, he was. Go ahead, talk about Greece. 295 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:11.279 Then, well, I've got an article to read. Oh yes, 296 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:18.279 you said Greece. I had an article on ancient Egypt. 297 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.119 Oh, sure, if you have one on ancient Egypt before we. 298 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:24.039 Get to and I also at some point, do you 299 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:26.640 want to read the shamanic view of mental illness by 300 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:29.880 that guy that came over in the eighties with the 301 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:34.359 you know African Yeah, but any of the African view 302 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:36.799 of mental illness that he brought with him over here. 303 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:39.880 And just thought, you want to sum up the ancient 304 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:42.559 culture's segment with. 305 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:44.720 That article, Yeah, we can do that, just it'll be 306 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:48.039 a good segue acrossing over into the botto too. But 307 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:55.119 for now, this woman wrote an article, Kathy Pike, and 308 00:20:55.240 --> 00:21:02.160 she's like fucking Columbia University or some shit. Yeah. So 309 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:05.759 she points out that the hieroglyphs, statues, and mummies from 310 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:09.319 thousands of years ago is tells stories of war, leadership, succession, 311 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:14.680 cultural beliefs, and the evolution of ideas. But a lot 312 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:18.640 of the stuff that was overlooked these people think could 313 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:23.319 be attributed to their view on mental health. And here's 314 00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:27.599 some points she's brought up where the spiritual, mystical, magical, 315 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:31.440 and medical meat mental health and ancient Egypt cannot be 316 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:36.160 understood without exploring the rituals, amulets, incantations and beliefs they were, 317 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:41.720 and you were talking about this that were at once spiritual, mystical, magical, 318 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.000 and medical. I noticed you had this in your notes too. 319 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:50.440 But Papyrus Ebers, the best preserved and most extensive medical 320 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:54.680 text from ancient Egypt, was written approximately fifteen hundred BC, 321 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:58.599 reflecting some teachings that are thought to date back as 322 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:03.359 far as three thousand in BC. Papyrus Ebers recurred records 323 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:07.599 over seven hundred spells to send away illness causing demonic forces. 324 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:12.039 It also documents an empirical practice of testing and refining 325 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:17.039 interventions to improve outcomes, including guidance on birth control that 326 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:20.920 foreshadows modern day barrier methods of contraception, and a treatment 327 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:27.200 for guinea worm still in use today ivermectin guinea worm. 328 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:28.160 That's what it says. 329 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.039 Were they thinking that people had like worms in their brain? 330 00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:36.559 I don't know, probably something along those lines. What about 331 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:41.799 the brain? The Edwin Smith Paprius, also dating from approximately 332 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:45.160 fifteen fifty BC, stands out because it describes the brain 333 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:48.839 for the first time in history, as enclosed in a membrane, 334 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:53.799 with two hemispheres patterned and with convolutions. It contains The 335 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:58.240 first known descriptions of the miniges is that how that 336 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:07.079 said sure cerebral spinal fluid, and intercranial pulsations. Despite these 337 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:11.880 early anatomical descriptions of the brain, the mummification process suggests 338 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:16.039 that the ancient Egypts had limited understanding or appreciating appreciation 339 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:21.039 of brain functioning. The afterlife was all important in ancient Egypts, 340 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:25.279 and extensive, extensive measures were taken. The process of mummification 341 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:29.200 to prepare people for the world hereafter death was nothing 342 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:31.559 but a further step in life. But for reasons I 343 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:33.680 have yet to understand, they thought that the brain was 344 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:38.839 not necessary for the afterlife because it's not during mummification. 345 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.160 It was scooped out through the nostrils with an iron 346 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:45.279 hook and a process known as ex cerebration. 347 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:52.680 Okay, I have a question they if they're not worried 348 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:55.839 about the brain and they're only looking at the brain 349 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.240 as they do the mummification process, how the fun do 350 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.640 they know all that stuff about the cerebellum and the 351 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.160 core texes and the Yeah. 352 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:08.359 It's not like they cracked a skull open and examined 353 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.319 it because they're yanking it out through the nose. 354 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.960 That's what I'm saying. It's like they're not giving the 355 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.279 ancient Egyptians enough credit here for. 356 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.079 Being a wag's That's the thing, is. 357 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.160 An understanding stuff that we have no idea about. I 358 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:23.519 think they had electricity. I mean, I think they had 359 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:26.240 all kinds of shit. They're fucking even understanding. 360 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:29.119 If we want to do a conspiracy episode about like 361 00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:31.279 who these people were and what they were doing, I'm 362 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:33.279 guaranteeing you all this stuff is. 363 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:36.599 Gonna just see how she undermined them by saying that 364 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:39.720 they were just retards taking brains out through the nose 365 00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:43.559 and mummification and da da da. Well, it's like, now, bitch. 366 00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:47.559 She's making a huge leap that they would view the 367 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:52.000 brain as important during the next step into the afterlife, 368 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:56.519 when I mean, obviously that's just part of the physical form. 369 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:01.640 They did mummification as a process to like preserve the body. 370 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:06.319 But that this papyrus of them documenting medical stuff has 371 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:10.640 nothing to do with mummification. They're talking about they're talking 372 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:15.640 about like electric synapses in the brain. 373 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:17.519 Yeah, but how is that? 374 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:21.839 I mean, people just don't understand Egyptians. I'm not saying 375 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.880 I'm a fucking expert on it or anything. I'm just 376 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:25.279 saying they knew what was up. 377 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:30.720 Wait, this is proving that. Number three Ancient Egypt's description 378 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:35.440 of depression. The ancient Egyptian medical text describes somatic, emotional 379 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:40.119 and psychological symptoms of depression with language that foreshadows clinical 380 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:45.920 description of mood disorders today, as discussed by Professor Mervat Nasser. 381 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:51.480 Papyrus Ebers contains descriptions of ill health that are easily 382 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:54.359 recognized as what we would call mental health conditions today. 383 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:58.720 Exserts include the mind and the heart, which goes up 384 00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:02.480 and falls down. The mind kneels his heart in its place. 385 00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:05.920 His heart becomes weary, he eats little and is fastidious, 386 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:10.920 and his mind is drowned. This means his mind is forgetful, 387 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.279 like one who's thinking of something else, as if his 388 00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:17.200 mind is dark. The ancient Egyptians focused on the somatic 389 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:20.799 aspects of conditions we would describe as mental orders today. 390 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:24.839 The prioritization of somatic features and mental health is something 391 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.440 that endures in many parts of the world, including modern 392 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:32.039 day Egypt. This one I found very interesting. Number four 393 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:37.240 dream interpretation. Sigmund Freud, the father of Psychoanalysis published The 394 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.599 Interpretations of Dreams in eighteen ninety nine as one of 395 00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:43.960 his earliest publications that contributed to the foundations of ideas 396 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:47.599 and theories that revolutionized our understanding of mental health. Depends 397 00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:51.519 on who you're asking there, human development, interpersonal relations, and 398 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:57.000 intra psychic dynamics. The ancient Egypts had their own version 399 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:01.039 of dream interpretation many centuries earlier. In ancient Egypt's, a 400 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:05.640 person suffering from psychological distress would be sent to a sanatorium, 401 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:10.000 a sleep temple dedicated to healing. In the sanatorium, they 402 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.200 would enter a dark cell and prepare for a therapeutic dream. 403 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:17.519 I have that in my notes too. A hypnotic state 404 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:20.759 was induced by lamps and burning perfumed wood. This sounds like, 405 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.400 you know, like an isolation tank or something, but it 406 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.680 sounds like some hippie dippy nonsense that you could find 407 00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.880 in Ashland, Oregon. Well, you know those like they call 408 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:35.160 them caves, but it's like deprivation for days on end. 409 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:37.480 Aaron Rodgers went to one of them here and he 410 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:39.680 didn't last the full amount of times. 411 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:41.920 Like they're doing Reikie on these fuckers. 412 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.079 The hypnotic state was induced by lamps and burning perfumed wood. 413 00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:50.160 Priests interpreted the dreams and consulted the Egyptian dream Berg 414 00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:54.599 dream Book to find cures. Unlike Freud, who believed that 415 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:59.119 dreams represent an individual's unconscious and internal psychic conflict, the 416 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:04.200 ancient Egypts understood dreams to be supernatural, where gods were 417 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:08.519 responsible for shaping dream content and protecting against bad dreams. 418 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:10.160 I could get on board with that. 419 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:17.200 And this is the last observation number five. First psychology experiment. 420 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.000 Psychology historian Morton Hunt suggests that the first psychology experiment 421 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.200 conducted might be an experiment performed by the Egyptian pharaoh 422 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:34.519 Samaticus Samatitius. I think it's tikis the first and seventh 423 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.160 century BC. He wanted to ascertain whether Egypt was the 424 00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:42.559 oldest civilization on earth. He hypothesized that children raised in 425 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:47.319 isolation from birth with no language instruction, would spontaneously develop 426 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.079 the capacity to speak the language of the original civilization 427 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:54.599 of humanity, and posited that it would be Egyptian. He 428 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.160 had two children raised in a remote region by a 429 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:00.000 shepherd who was instructed not to speak to the children. 430 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:05.200 This sounds like fucking Nazi shit. Yeah, at the age 431 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.680 of two. The first word they spoke was bekos, which 432 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:12.000 turned out to be the Ragian word for bread. Clearly, 433 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.640 the experimental design was seriously flawed and it would never 434 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:19.440 get through a modern research ethics review board. You don't say, 435 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.319 but it is remarkable in its attempt to experimentally answer 436 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.759 the question of whether the human capacity for language is innate. 437 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:35.599 That's interesting. I'm telling you ancient Egyptians were up to 438 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:40.680 some shit. Was that all you had on them? Because 439 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.559 I think you're gonna find China equally as interesting. 440 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:51.079 Yeah, and we could get into Hippocrates after that. 441 00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:54.319 That sounds good because I don't know how many notes 442 00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:55.480 you have on China. 443 00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:56.160 Zero. 444 00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:57.200 Oh good. 445 00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.519 So I had some observations about how they treated in sanity, 446 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:02.720 and like more modern culture, it was one of the 447 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.200 cultures that did a lot of the shunning of. 448 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:07.839 Really, well, this is ancient China. 449 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:11.279 I'm I did not look into China at all. 450 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:16.440 So it's actually a good segue into Hippocrates because I 451 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.359 believe he actually ripped the Chinese methods off. 452 00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.559 Are you sure he wasn't just paying respectful homage? 453 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.839 No, Because he's credited as coming up with the theory. 454 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:28.359 Well, you know he's white. 455 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:30.599 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 456 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.680 You think you go over to China and they're teaching 457 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.400 him as the guy who did all this. 458 00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:39.160 No, but okay, but think of it though, ancient China 459 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:43.960 has a lot of rich history, right, and then Hippocrates 460 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:46.359 is credited as coming up with this theory, But the 461 00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:51.240 ancient Chinese were practicing it for a lot longer. 462 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:52.839 You're talking about the Four Humors. 463 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:58.640 Yes, so they believed mental and physical illnesses were caused 464 00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:04.079 by imbalances in the forces of yin and yang. But 465 00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:11.440 they they took it as a physical and a mental condition. 466 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:14.559 So they had this whole yin and yang thing. But 467 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.920 the way that they balanced it out was the Four Humors, 468 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:23.359 but they called it something else. The earliest known record 469 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.920 of mental illness in ancient China dates back to eleven 470 00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:34.519 hundred BC, and they would use herbs and acupuncture, which 471 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.960 actually acupuncture is still popular to this day because it's 472 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:40.440 fucking effective. 473 00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:43.440 A lot of veterans when it added to the treatments 474 00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.240 that the VA covers, because it helps a lot of 475 00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:50.119 them out. Like we're talking PTSD, which is a form 476 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:51.359 of mental illness. 477 00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.440 I actually have had two people tell me that they 478 00:31:55.759 --> 00:32:01.119 had infertility issues, got acupuncture, got pregnant like on their 479 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.480 next cycle. And then I was talking to my doula 480 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.759 and she said, don't don't get induced, don't get a 481 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.559 membrane sweep, don't do any of that. She said, go 482 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:17.920 get acupuncture. It'll legit start your labor after just a 483 00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.480 few treatments. Like acupuncture is some kind of fucking The 484 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.000 Chinese had it figured out. 485 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:24.880 Did you, doula listen to this podcast? 486 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:29.400 No? Why, she's definitely not ready for it. 487 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:33.079 I was just gonna say, I met this woman the 488 00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:33.599 other day. 489 00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.559 Yeah, she's not the type to listen to this podcast. 490 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.039 I think you should tell her about it. 491 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:41.279 No, I'm not gonna tell her about nothing. So the 492 00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:46.880 Inner Canon of the Yellow Emperor, as it's called, described her. 493 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.200 That's racist. Why yellow? 494 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:51.559 Hey, I didn't name it. 495 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.839 I didn't say you were the one being racist. I 496 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.480 just think we're gonna get hashtag canceled. Whatever. 497 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.359 Cancel me. Then, that's what it's called the Inner Canon 498 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:05.920 of the Yellow Emperor. It described symptoms, mechanisms, and therapies 499 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:11.519 for mental illness, emphasizing connections between bodily organs and emotions. 500 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:18.359 So they thought like, whatever your symptoms you were presenting mentally, 501 00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.200 it was connected to some kind of organ in your body, 502 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:27.039 which that's why they used acupuncture so much. But they 503 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:37.440 had this whole thing about if a person exposed themselves 504 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.799 to high levels of emotion, Like. 505 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:44.440 Oh, I thought you're gonna say if people exposed themselves 506 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:47.640 they were considered mentally ill. 507 00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:51.039 No, it was like they would say, like if they 508 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:56.079 if somebody went to a funeral and they were they 509 00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.279 cried too much, or if they were exposed to the 510 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:05.880 trauma that they could get possessed and that could also 511 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:10.679 lead to mental illness. So they would they said, it's 512 00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:15.000 trauma induced, it's stress induced. These are things that we 513 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:21.239 are just barely understanding today, how stress and trauma affect 514 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.800 the body and cause mental illness and actually could probably 515 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.480 throw off some shit in your body, you know what 516 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:33.559 I mean, Stress, trauma, those things obviously you know you 517 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:38.599 can end up having split personality disorder based on different 518 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:39.360 types of trauma. 519 00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:43.159 Well. Stress arguably is one of the leading causes of 520 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:48.039 the majority of mental or mental and physical elements. But 521 00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:49.639 they had this whole. 522 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.320 They have this whole bile system that they worked on 523 00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:02.280 Yellow bile, green bile, clear bile. You know what I'm saying. 524 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:13.880 Yeah, it's uh, this is from the Hippocrates. Sanguine, choleric, melancholic, 525 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:20.559 and phlegmatic. Those are the four biles, and one of 526 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:26.480 them is Sanguine is blood, Choleric is yellow bile, melancholic 527 00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.840 is black bile, and phlegmatic is phlim. 528 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:38.800 So that idea actually came from the ancient Chinese. And 529 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:41.840 I think this is a good segue for you to 530 00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:47.199 start talking about Hippocrates, because literally the four humors, as 531 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.639 he called them, were the bile system in ancient China. 532 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.800 Yeah, and so if you want to know more about Hippocrates, 533 00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:02.960 everybody knows who he is, ancient famous physicysician, who you know, 534 00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:07.440 the Hippocratic oath, all that shit. But we're just going 535 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:11.840 to be looking at his model of humorism, the concept. 536 00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:14.480 I think he called it humors. I don't know, there's 537 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.199 nothing funny about it at all. 538 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.400 Humorism, the hemoral theory or memorialism, is a system of 539 00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:24.280 medicine detailing is supposed to make up and workings of 540 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:31.000 the human body. And here even in the Wikipedia, adopted 541 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.199 by ancient Greek and Roman physicians, and philosophers. It doesn't 542 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.519 even mention ancient Chinese. That's what I'm saying. He ripped 543 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.239 them off, and here you go. The concept may have 544 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:46.039 origins in ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia, though it wasn't systemized 545 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:49.519 until ancient Greek thinkers. 546 00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:52.599 They're just totally going to leave out the chinamen well. 547 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:56.920 Early texts on Indian A Eurveda medicine presented a theory 548 00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:00.639 of three or four humors thosas, which they times linked 549 00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.719 with the five elements earth, water, fire, air, and space. 550 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:06.960 Interesting. 551 00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:09.360 Yeah, I'm just reading through here. I don't see any 552 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:14.039 mention of the Chinese so far. The concept of humors 553 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.599 chemical systems regulating human behavior became more prominent in the 554 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:23.800 writing of medical theorists al Cameon of Croton five forty 555 00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.320 to five hundred BC. His list of humors was longer 556 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:33.119 and included fundamental elements described by Empedocles, such as the 557 00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:38.679 elements Hippo I almost said hypocrites again. Hippocrates usually credited 558 00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.320 with applying this idea to medicine. In contrast to Alchemion, 559 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:48.960 Hippocrates suggested that humans are the vital fluids blood, flim, yellow, bile, 560 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.559 and black bile, and so you know, I don't want 561 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.840 to just go through and give you his idea of 562 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:59.760 what it was, but basically his ideas were still used 563 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.440 till very recently. There was a YouTube video I was 564 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.880 telling Julie about this earlier, where a guy would have 565 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:15.280 his patients piss and he would smell their pea. First, 566 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.239 he would look at it to see the colors, and 567 00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:24.000 then he would taste it. And one guy said he 568 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:29.320 was depressed, brought his pea to him and he looked 569 00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:32.000 at it, tasted it, and he said it was too 570 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.599 sweet and it had a slight red tint to it. 571 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.679 So he recommended the man, this is what I thought 572 00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:42.519 was hilarious, drink a little less red wine and quit 573 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:46.320 eating vegetables because vegetables are overall bad for your health. 574 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:48.719 This is exactly what he told the guy. And this 575 00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:52.440 was not This was like filmed, so we're talking very modern, 576 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.320 and this was the he was used. That was what 577 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:02.719 he told this one patient, office piss, office piss. 578 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:08.639 He's drank one too many. Now that's that is humorous, 579 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:12.880 did it? 580 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:14.960 It is? And I wonder what my pea would taste like. 581 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.519 Well, I'm telling you right now since I've been yours. 582 00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:19.960 Pregnant pee has got to be the best. 583 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:21.440 Oh, it is funky. 584 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.480 It is funked. He doesn't even need asparagus and that's 585 00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:26.239 what it smells like. 586 00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.840 Yeah, I want. He probably tell me I needed to 587 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:33.159 be if he tasted in my. 588 00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:37.159 Peet, you're pregnant upper puss there. It needs to be lobotomized. 589 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.559 I think so. 590 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.800 I do think, even though we're making a joke of it, 591 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:48.679 that the bio system could have Well. 592 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:53.079 It's like I was telling you earlier tonight, when you 593 00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.679 look at the modern day understanding of the biome system, 594 00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.880 the gut biome, the neurons that aren't just in your brain, 595 00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.239 that they're in your abdomen. A lot of this has 596 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.559 a lot to do with like autism and other things. One, 597 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.360 so they had an understanding. And from what you're telling me, 598 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.079 And it's so funny that in all the research I 599 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:18.159 did on Hippocrates, I was never laid back or laid back. 600 00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:20.239 I was never led back to ancient China. 601 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.199 So but that's what they were doing with the acupuncture 602 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:26.519 is like they were damining the fluids. 603 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:33.039 Ancient Chinese medicine is practiced in all ways today, like even. 604 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:38.239 Ancient Chinese medicine that somebody recommended about turning a breach baby. 605 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:43.159 Yes, So my son's mom had some difficulties at the 606 00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.440 end of the pregnancy, which led her to the hospital 607 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.480 where they gave her an ultrasound that she hadn't had 608 00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:51.239 one since twenty weeks, and they saw that my son 609 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:55.760 was breach. So they were deciding what to do about it. 610 00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.920 They can't do a delivery, they have to do a 611 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:03.920 C section. And the oldest doctor, the oldest obie at 612 00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:08.880 this place, like this old white, crusty dude, said, I 613 00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:13.199 know that about this thing that works well over eighty 614 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:16.519 percent of the time, and it's an ancient Chinese remedy. 615 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.559 And he says, go to an acupuncturist, tell them what's 616 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:25.880 going on. They'll give you this incense stick called Maxia, 617 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:28.119 and you get it red hot and hold it right 618 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:32.119 outside her big toe, each side of her big toe 619 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.199 for like five minutes each and it's like burning her. 620 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.880 But as soon as we started doing it, she could 621 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:43.320 feel him start to turn, and within like a week 622 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:47.960 he was fully you know, head down, facing the right way. 623 00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:53.480 So again, and they were they were ready to schedule 624 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:55.440 a sea section over this and all we had to 625 00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.320 do was burn a little fucking woo woo incense. Shit. 626 00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.920 That's why I say a lot of these people are 627 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.280 ripping off ancient Chinese medicine. 628 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:08.480 They're ripping it off. I mean he even called it that. Yeah, 629 00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.440 Hippocrates may have been ripping it off, but this guy 630 00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.440 said this is an ancient Chinese remedy. 631 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.159 Yeah, I'm talking about Hippocrates because he's credited with the 632 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:18.360 bile system. 633 00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.079 Or like Hypocrates. Yeah, hypocrite with. 634 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.840 Titties, fucking phony tease. 635 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:31.440 But yeah, I agree. It's always some affluent European person 636 00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:33.480 who gets the credit. I mean, he's like the Kurt 637 00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:37.000 Cobain of the you know, of the doctor's back. 638 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:41.079 Does it make you want to get acupuncture? No, you 639 00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:42.679 don't have any ailments. 640 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.400 You want to see if it fixes I mean, if 641 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.000 it can cure my hernia. 642 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:50.960 Well I doubt it. But you know who else got 643 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.280 acupuncture and it really fixed them up? 644 00:42:54.679 --> 00:43:00.239 Are they them? Dexter in the news the Dog? No? Oh? 645 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:01.239 In the new season? 646 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:04.880 Oh Dexter. Yes he did get acupuncture. He was a 647 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.679 little stiff from taking a chest shut. Spoiler alert for 648 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:08.920 nobody who's caught. 649 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.440 Up but if you're not caught up, you're not a 650 00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.719 true fan, because we'd be waiting for them episodes to drop. 651 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.159 We're gonna watch the new one right after we get 652 00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.400 done recording. Yes, so happy they do sponsor the show. 653 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.800 By the way, I would be down for a sponsored 654 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:24.880 by Dexter. 655 00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.280 From Paramount Plus. How fucking dare you? They can Stephen 656 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.719 Colbert because Trump said he's not funny. 657 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:36.480 How about Persia, let's do it. You know anything about Persia? 658 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:38.559 They have weird looking cats. 659 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:44.079 Well, they also were not as advanced as some of 660 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:48.360 the other civilizations we've talked about. They were under the 661 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.920 assumption that everybody was possessed by the devil. 662 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.400 Well, oh, that's more along your line of thinking. 663 00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:59.639 Well, yeah, but I would I'm still on board with 664 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.159 like the ancient Chinese view. It was like a little 665 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.559 bit spiritual, little bit physical, you know what I mean? 666 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:07.920 Pretty good e merging the two. 667 00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:12.239 Yeah, well, the Persia is pretty much behind the times. 668 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.119 They thought that it was evil spirits and that everybody's 669 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:18.760 possessed by the devil. And to release these spirits they 670 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.880 used trepidation, which is just drilling holes in people's skull 671 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.800 and they said it would allow the spirits to leave 672 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:28.800 the body. What are your thoughts on that. 673 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.239 I think the trepanation is interesting and I actually have 674 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.800 a little info on it because to me, it was 675 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.440 like the stepping stone to the lobotomy. 676 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:42.800 Well, it was the ancient lobotomy. 677 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:47.239 Yeah. They didn't mess with the brain though. No, but 678 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.480 if you drill yeah, like I said, this is like 679 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:53.679 just the tip of the dick end. This isn't like 680 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.320 full on lobotomy. This is yeah. 681 00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.440 But in some of these cultures that practiced trepidation, if 682 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.320 they didn't have a way to drill a hole, they 683 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.320 would just use a rock and scrape at your scalp 684 00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:08.440 and your skull until they made a bur hole. Does 685 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:12.519 that sound I mean, does that sound fun to you? 686 00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:24.639 Uh? I don't think so. Trepening also known as trepanation, trepanation, trefening, 687 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:28.360 or making a burhole with a rock if you ain't 688 00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:33.159 got nothing else. It says it derives from Old French 689 00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.840 and medieval Latin from Greece. Once again, they don't give 690 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:42.559 the Persians their day. But this fucking went on for 691 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:46.639 a long time. Yes it did. And there's a picture 692 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:51.480 of a skull. I think it's kind of ironic that 693 00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:56.119 when you get a neuralin ink implanted in your brain, 694 00:45:56.599 --> 00:46:01.880 there's a robot that drills through your skull, stops just 695 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.119 short of hitting your brain, and then they can insert 696 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:09.559 the nanotech that forms the webs, connects all your neurons, 697 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:13.159 or whatever the fuck that thing does. But it's interesting 698 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.239 to me that Elon drills into people's skulls to save us, 699 00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:18.119 help us merge with the AI. 700 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.480 It's like we've reverted back to ancient. 701 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:27.199 Yeah, we've we've taken this technocratic leap, but still incorporating 702 00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:33.440 the old and you call it a birhole. And Elon 703 00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:38.280 has the boring company raebores into the earth. 704 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:41.840 That that I actually want to talk about a little 705 00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:49.559 bit more after this next ancient culture, So leave that up. 706 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:55.280 I mean, they're they're attributing trepanation to ancient China. 707 00:46:56.519 --> 00:47:00.840 Oh, they'll give them their spotlight with the negative stuff. 708 00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:03.320 But how about the bio system. 709 00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:08.719 Well yeah, and they're still not talking about persia at all. 710 00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:13.760 Well, good thing I did thorough research because they were 711 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:15.199 definitely practicing it. 712 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:18.800 Yeah, I gotta admit I heard about trepanation and then 713 00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.039 went right to Wikipedia. 714 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:21.800 Did you really? 715 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:22.559 Yeah? 716 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.480 Well, the next culture that I have you might find interesting. 717 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:30.599 Israel and the Hebrew dispera. 718 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:33.119 Man, they haven't been getting any coverage in the press. 719 00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:39.719 Let's do it despara? Is it despara? Dispora? Yeah, dispora despara. 720 00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:45.199 Well, anyways, dyspora, it's spelled like dispora. 721 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:51.679 I let's just say Israel and the hebrews okay uh. 722 00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:55.119 There are passages of the Old Testament that have been 723 00:47:55.280 --> 00:48:01.000 interpreted as describing mood disorders in figures, which is Job 724 00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:05.960 King Saul, and in the Psalms of David. 725 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.920 I mean, these motherfuckers were literally hearing voices all the time. 726 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:14.519 And in the Book of Daniel, King Nebukanesser is described 727 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:18.800 as temporarily losing his sanity and eating grass and shit 728 00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:23.440 and thought he was a cow or something. And nobody 729 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.960 so nobody really talks about mental illness in the Bible 730 00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:33.199 other than just demon possession. But I remember when I 731 00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.880 was little, there was even a song in Sunday School 732 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:39.199 about King nebukan Nezer eating grass and shit and being 733 00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:45.280 a crazy motherfucker. So even in the Bible there is oh, 734 00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:49.000 and you know what, Job was a depressed asshole. But 735 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:53.039 then again, his life was real shitty, so we can 736 00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:59.320 just imagine, but mental illness, yeah, I would say the Bible, 737 00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:05.360 nobody was doing any bio system or acupuncture. It was 738 00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.199 pretty much like the Persians. 739 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:13.239 So yeah, prepanation basically is opening up the skull so 740 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.159 that evil spirits can vacate the premises. 741 00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:19.000 I think they didn't practice that in the Old Testy. 742 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:24.760 I mean maybe they did. I think they They're obsessed 743 00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:28.559 with circumcision and other things, but I mean in this 744 00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:35.639 it's talking about ways that you can do it. Rectangular intersecting, cuts, scraping, 745 00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:39.639 using utilizing an abrasive instrument such as flint. 746 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:41.880 I told you they would. 747 00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.960 Yeah, circular grooving, boring and cutting by a circular trefen 748 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.800 or a crown saw. Bur hole done by drilling several 749 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.199 circle holes, and that's probably the more modern. If they're 750 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:57.199 drilling closely to create a space and then cut chisel 751 00:49:57.280 --> 00:49:58.559 the bone between the hole. 752 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.440 It was not a good day to be mentally ill 753 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:03.960 in ancient history. 754 00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:09.079 I'm just saying it will You're right, never really got better. 755 00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:17.000 So general trends in ancient views, supernatural explanations, right, spirits, deities, 756 00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:29.000 God's demons, treatments were rituals, prayers, exorcisms, blood letting, and trephanation. Right, 757 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.760 but before we get into some more of the medieval treatments, 758 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:39.639 I just want to talk about the potential of positive 759 00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:44.000 outcomes of some of these treatments. Yes, they sowned barbaric 760 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.280 to us now, but in a way, I almost feel 761 00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:52.760 like pharmaceuticals are potentially more toxic and dangerous than let's say, 762 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:58.639 blood letting. Yeah, I know that sounds controversial, but could 763 00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:02.360 it be possible that Ane, we're curing more mental illness 764 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:03.400 than we are now. 765 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.320 Yeah, I mean I would I was going to say 766 00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.519 this earlier, but I think now's a good time to say. 767 00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:14.199 I would say the darkest shit that has happened happened 768 00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:20.320 after we transitioned from this belief in strictly supernatural causes 769 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:26.000 to today making it a more medical issue. I would say, 770 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:31.880 after we switched to that collectively, that that's when the 771 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.960 real dark shit started happening. I agree, Oh, yeah, you 772 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.039 might end up with a couple holes in your skull, 773 00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:39.000 But think about. 774 00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:42.320 Something like blood letting. I know that sounds horrible, what 775 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:43.960 if it was curing these people? 776 00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:48.039 I mean, I think that a lot of the under right, 777 00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:52.480 I would say a lot of the basic understanding of 778 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:56.440 the way the human body works is probably closer to 779 00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:01.840 what we're doing these days. You're talking pharmaceuticals. Uh, I 780 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:03.800 don't know. I don't want to get into it in 781 00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:09.039 this episode so much. But right, there's an industry built 782 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:11.800 around mental illness, which you talked about, and there's a 783 00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:21.480 fetishization and normalization of being mentally ill anxiety, right, I mean, look, 784 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:26.639 every fucking pop star now is expected to come out 785 00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:31.679 with some kind of disorder and face it head on, 786 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.400 or look at some own Biles to get back to Bile. 787 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:42.159 You know who she is, Yeah, the gymnast who queathed 788 00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.800 the chance away to perform in the Olympics because she 789 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:50.679 was having a mental health date, which anyway, Yeah, I 790 00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.039 think that just lays the ground for some conversation in 791 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:57.599 the next episode. But yeah, back to your point, it 792 00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:03.159 could very well be that the risks and the outcomes 793 00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:07.719 of ancient methods of treating or confronting mental illness may 794 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:11.079 seem barbaric, but if you hold it up to what 795 00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:13.559 we're doing today, I don't think it really does. 796 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.760 Let me ask you this. Let's just say you had 797 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:22.159 a problem mental illness problem that we'll say, you're not 798 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.519 all the way fucking mad hatter, but you have. 799 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.320 To do we even need to pretend. 800 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:31.480 Exactly, just be yourself. And you have two options. You 801 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:40.239 can go to the ancient Egyptian clinic, the ancient Chinese clinic. 802 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.519 You can go to a modern day Laurel Wood or 803 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:50.519 whatever the fuck they're called, these insane camps for people therapy, whatever, 804 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.360 Or you can be treated by a primary care physician 805 00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:59.119 that has some kind of contract with who were the 806 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:03.320 ones who came up with They had the Dope Sick documentary, 807 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:08.400 Purdue Purdue Family, So they got a you got a 808 00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:13.079 primary care physician with the contract with the Purdue pharmaceuticals, 809 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:19.039 you got Laurel Wood encampment, ancient Chinese or ancient egypt Well, 810 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:20.039 what are you gonna go with? 811 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:24.239 If I want some opiates? Obviously I go with the 812 00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:24.960 Purdue link. 813 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:29.639 But they also had antidepressants and they had yeah, I 814 00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:31.719 mean the big money and the big scandal came in 815 00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:34.719 the painkillers, but they had their fingers and all of it. 816 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.360 Uh, you know, obviously I'm more of a holistic guy, 817 00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:44.360 and I don't think serotonin and dopamine are understood as 818 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:49.119 well as they have claimed it is, and I think 819 00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:54.960 the crap shoot that has resulted in a lot of backlash, 820 00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:58.519 a lot of fucking what would you call it blowback 821 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:05.199 with side effects that are indirect opposition to what they're 822 00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:08.760 trying to do as far as treating these things with pills. 823 00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.679 And then there's the talk therapy end of it, which 824 00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:12.079 are a lot. 825 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.400 Of times the Laurel Wood Encampment. 826 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.079 A lot of time does lead to the pharmaceutical line anyway, 827 00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:21.320 because they often are contracted with these people as well. 828 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:23.320 We're just taught that that's the way to do it, 829 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:24.800 and they believe it themselves. 830 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.119 Addition, into these encampments where you have to stay for 831 00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:33.199 an extended period of time and installation and you get 832 00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:37.239 talk therapy. But out of those four, like which one? 833 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:38.960 Who are you trusting? 834 00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.000 I mean, I'm going ancient China all day. Yeah, same, 835 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:44.079 give me some egg rolls on my way out the door. 836 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:49.079 You know, they still have a better view on treating 837 00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:52.599 mental illness today in China than we do in the US. 838 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:56.480 Well they better because they have a fucking whole population 839 00:55:56.679 --> 00:56:03.239 of subservient just fall in line because it's that or death. 840 00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.719 So they probably do have a large amount of mental illness. 841 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.360 But they treat it differently than we do. 842 00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:11.039 How do they treat it currently? 843 00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:15.599 Well, it's less about the pharmaceuticals. I will tell you 844 00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:18.960 that it's not marketed to them the way it is 845 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:23.079 in the US. There are literally commercials that we watch 846 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.280 in between our Hulu shows. That's like, are you depressed? 847 00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:28.239 They don't have that in China. 848 00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:30.400 I pay for no commercials. 849 00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:32.480 But you know what I'm saying though, it's like it's 850 00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.320 marketed to us, like, if you're having a bad are 851 00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:36.239 you a little blue? 852 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:42.239 Ask your doctor about after a lacreef with sauce. They 853 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:46.719 don't have that. Well, it's only us in New Zealand 854 00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:51.000 who are allowed to advertise pharmaceuticals first of all, which 855 00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.719 is kind of random that it's New Zealand. I mean, 856 00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:56.880 I understand our culture and that saysn't surprise me at all. 857 00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:59.719 I don't know a lot about the kiwis. They share 858 00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:01.039 work CONTs during COVID. 859 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:02.960 Yeah, well fuck them. 860 00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:06.440 Everybody down and that sorry Drew missing other than you. 861 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.000 I'm just saying that I think the ancients may, even 862 00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.760 though their treatments sound barbaric, may have had a better 863 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:18.000 idea of how to deal with this than we do now. 864 00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:21.400 Well, I think you know another angle of it is 865 00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:27.920 the Egyptian model might look the most appealing because they 866 00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:34.000 don't jump right to intervention. They are like Jordan Peterson, 867 00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.440 like clean your room, twelve rules for living, go outside, 868 00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:41.239 go to a concert. Yeah, take some xenax. It worked 869 00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:44.119 out well for me. No. They they're really about like 870 00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:48.960 it's an environmental dysfunction that is leading to most of 871 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:53.320 this melancholy. So they exhaust all possibilities before they go 872 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:57.400 to some of these drastic measures. So how about I 873 00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:00.639 give you a hybrid. I'd like the Egyptian model where 874 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:02.920 if they still think I'm crazy after I go to 875 00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:06.400 a concert and do a self portrait, then I can 876 00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:07.800 get the Chinese remedies. 877 00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:09.719 Hey, there you go. 878 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:12.320 So I want a little miss mixing math. 879 00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:16.920 Yeah yeah, well, and you know what about you. I 880 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:18.639 I'll take what you just said. 881 00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:20.400 Hey you get copy me. 882 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:22.559 Well it was a good it was a good idea. 883 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:24.880 Okay, you can come with me to the So. 884 00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:27.679 Think that the Egyptians could have focused a just a 885 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:31.880 little bit more like the like with ancient Chinese medicine 886 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:35.639 on maybe like the acupuncture stuff, getting your organs figured out, 887 00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:40.119 your biosystem figured out, because you know, when you're sick, 888 00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:41.960 what do you do, Like when you blow in your 889 00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:44.320 tissue and you're like, oh, it's clear. At least I 890 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:45.239 don't have an infection. 891 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:48.719 Yeah, when that black when that black bile shit comes out? 892 00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.679 You've never seen black bile? Are they talking about shit? 893 00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:56.159 I guess because when sometimes when you get diarrhea, you 894 00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:58.000 get that real weird looking bile. 895 00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.159 Well, if you have blood in your stool, it can 896 00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:05.400 sometimes be black, you know, and yet your liver's messed up, 897 00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:07.039 or you have a blooded in. 898 00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.719 Your it's like a dark brown dead blood cell color, 899 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:15.199 which could be interpreted as black. While sure they. 900 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:18.239 They literally say look for black or bloody stools when 901 00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:21.960 you know, with some medical condition. Anyways, I do think 902 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:25.599 there's a physical and mental aspect that needs to be addressed. 903 00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:30.280 But I do want to move on to medievil treatments. 904 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.599 If you are if you're. 905 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:35.960 Down medieval treatments. 906 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:38.559 Starting with Europe, do you have any of. 907 00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:45.960 I've got a list of more modern not so modern, 908 00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:48.920 but way more modern than medieval. So if you want 909 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:52.199 to take this one, and if I have any thing 910 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.440 I saw I could, I could insert. 911 00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:57.519 Well, I would love your commentary on some of this, 912 00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:01.880 because Europe is really where this whole thing starts to 913 01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:06.000 reach a pinnacle of fucked up idness, because you know, 914 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:08.280 they take all the cool stuff from all the other 915 01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:13.119 ancient cultures and to it they add torture to it. 916 01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:15.840 It's just because it's medieval. I just assume that's where 917 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.239 we're going to basically do so because some of the 918 01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:20.360 ship that we're doing in more modern than I'm going 919 01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:23.800 to cover seems medieval. Well, I'm curious to see if 920 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:25.280 there's any open. 921 01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:30.320 Clap or yeah, well so medieval treatments in Europe. Uh so. 922 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.920 Conceptions of madness in the Middle Ages in Europe were 923 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:40.760 a mixture of the divine, diabolical, magical, and transcendental. But 924 01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:44.920 they also use hippocrates theory of the four humors. 925 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:46.920 Hey, you just said it was his theory. What are 926 01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:47.360 you doing? 927 01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:51.440 It's not right. They use the ancient Chinese theory of 928 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:58.199 the yep. Black bio, yellow bioflm, and blood were UH 929 01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:03.719 used in injunction with faith healing in the Middle Ages 930 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:10.280 touching hands. They also used UH treppening or whatever trepanation. 931 01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:11.920 The Jeff Dahmer treatment. 932 01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:14.400 It just depends on where you're looking. It's either treppin 933 01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:15.119 or trepin. 934 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:21.199 They also used blood letting, whipping people to death, and burges. 935 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:23.000 They're big on that. 936 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:28.440 Yeah, And it was seen because the Middle Ages in 937 01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:33.880 Europe was predominantly Christian. It was seen as most likely 938 01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:38.280 being a spiritual issue. And so they would do the fasting, 939 01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:41.920 which can be beneficial, just saying fasting can be beneficial. 940 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:46.280 But then they would use the whipping and then the trepidation. 941 01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:48.760 Is those whips like they used on Jesus with the little. 942 01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:53.880 The little cattails. Yeah, like in Da Vinci code. Yeah. 943 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:57.960 So if none of those other treatments would work, the 944 01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:02.239 last ditch thing they would do is an ex So 945 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:03.639 what are your thoughts on that? 946 01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:08.480 Well, at least they tried all other options before they 947 01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:12.079 called in the exorcist. I guess, get your cattail whipping. 948 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.800 If that doesn't do it, call in fucking what's his 949 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:16.079 name from the exorcist? 950 01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:19.559 Yeah, father O'Malley. 951 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:25.400 Father O'Malley's here to exercise your dam. I don't know 952 01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:29.920 why whenever I say father O'Malley always comes after. It's 953 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:31.199 just a part of who I am. 954 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:35.519 So there was a dude named Bartholomew something. 955 01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:39.400 Or other, poor guy for follow me something or other. 956 01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:40.840 You think the kids made fun of him. 957 01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:44.760 This was in Europe, in the Middle Ages, and he 958 01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:50.679 comprised an encyclopedia. It's called something or other rectum and. 959 01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:55.400 I'm not in another rectum. Let's do this. They propeteb 960 01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:59.559 tyab is a ridom. It's not even a rectum, smartass, 961 01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:02.480 it's r e Are you in rerum? 962 01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.920 So it's an encyclopedia. 963 01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:08.480 It's really that you can call her rectum. 964 01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:13.360 It's a rect He wrote this rectum of mental illness, okay, 965 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:18.480 And he distinguished between a natural born idiot that's what 966 01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:24.119 they were called, and uh a lunatic. And the term 967 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:27.960 lunatic was applied to those with short periods of mental 968 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:31.840 disorder temporary insanity, right, deriving from. 969 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.480 Only when the moon came out. 970 01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.639 Well, the reason he used it is because in Roman 971 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:43.480 mythology they would describe people as being moonstruck by the 972 01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:44.559 goddess Luna. 973 01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.639 Good movie with moonstruck? Is that? Sure? Yeah? 974 01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:53.920 But anyways, the theory was the influence of the moon. 975 01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:57.079 And he said these people with short term madness were 976 01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:02.000 lunatics and everybody else was just a natural born idiot. 977 01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.519 Good good distinguishment, which. 978 01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:10.559 Brings me to the episodes of mass dancing mania, which 979 01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:13.079 are reported from the Middle Ages. 980 01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.800 To talk about this recently on an episode. 981 01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:20.119 The Dancing Man, Yeah, well it's similar to they were 982 01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:21.320 referred to as lunatics. 983 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:24.400 But this this thing, maybe it was a cult. It 984 01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:26.599 might have actually been a cult conspiracy episode. 985 01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:29.119 I think it was were we talking about this? 986 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.280 It wasn't It wasn't us. It was Jacob and Jonathan 987 01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:36.679 Shout Out Boys. They talked about it. I'm pretty fucking sure. 988 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:39.920 Maybe it was Sam Tripley. I don't remember, but this 989 01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:42.920 was like one of the Oh I came across this 990 01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:44.880 when we were doing our cult. 991 01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:49.760 Research the Dancing play. Yes, there was a laughing one too. 992 01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:54.079 Yeah, and you remember in Legion where. 993 01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:59.920 They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 994 01:04:58.440 --> 01:04:59.880 That was I think that was based on that. 995 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:03.519 So, but what do you think about that there's dancing plagues, 996 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:04.960 laughing plagues. 997 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:07.920 I mean, well, I wasn't gonna do it in this episode, 998 01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:11.159 but I think collective insanity is something that is still. 999 01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:12.840 Rampant mass hysteria. 1000 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.199 Well yeah, but even just collective insanity before like, what's 1001 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:18.519 his ass? Robert Malone gave it a name that the 1002 01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:22.679 CIA told him to say, mass psychotic delusion or whatever. 1003 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.480 I think anybody knows what the fuck was really going 1004 01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:28.239 on though, with what the dancing plague? 1005 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:36.239 No, that's not mass hysteria. It's legion. It's like a contagion. Yes, 1006 01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:39.199 like I mentally agree with you. It's like little girls 1007 01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.559 becoming boys because everybody in there click did it? Yeah, 1008 01:05:42.880 --> 01:05:45.599 but I heard about this and it's come up again 1009 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.360 in podcasts I've listened to. But yeah, I totally forgot 1010 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:49.639 about it till you mentioned it. 1011 01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:52.760 Well, they call it mass delusion or mass hysteria, but 1012 01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:55.159 I don't think anybody knows what the fuck was going on. 1013 01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:57.960 Maybe they maybe they just felt like dancing. 1014 01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:04.800 Well this this bartholomist said they were just lunatics. 1015 01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:08.239 Botholomy is something or other coming in with the explanation 1016 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:10.360 the moon made them do the moon. 1017 01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:12.239 Made him do it. But that's a little of an 1018 01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:13.760 understanding they had about stuff. 1019 01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:15.280 You know. It's like, when you get about it, maybe 1020 01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:16.519 they all took ecstasy. 1021 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.360 They are were they seeing plagues in different parties? 1022 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:24.440 They could have been eaten sassafras, But there were. 1023 01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:27.559 Dancing plgues with people who should have not even known 1024 01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:28.239 about each other. 1025 01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.559 Like, yeah, I mean, you know how my mind works, 1026 01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:38.639 I'm thinking, like mass glitch in the simulation, for some reason, 1027 01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:42.119 groups of people all over the world just feel like dancing. 1028 01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:50.800 Really, that's your explanation, Well, what's yours? Mine is, uh, 1029 01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:52.559 I'm just exploring. 1030 01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:54.960 I'm not dying on that hill. 1031 01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:59.840 Mine is that they've been conducting experiments on small civilizations 1032 01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:04.320 people for longer than we day, the elusive. 1033 01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:09.320 Day, like the secret societies, the old people. I mean, 1034 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:13.320 I'm not obviously I'm not above that line of reasoning either. 1035 01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:18.639 I think that that that's just as probable as the 1036 01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:19.679 simulation glitch. 1037 01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:25.559 But so that was just one form of lunacy. Obviously, 1038 01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:31.360 the lunatics could have been anything like a random outburst, 1039 01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:34.719 the random you know whatever. They'd be like, oh, they're 1040 01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:39.599 a lunatic whatever. So the care of these natural born idiots, 1041 01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:46.000 I'm guessing that that means retarded people and uh, people 1042 01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:52.639 who had temporary madness, lounies. They were under the responsibility 1043 01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:55.360 of their family because at the time there was nothing 1044 01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:58.079 to do with these people. Your family had to take 1045 01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:08.960 care of you. So there were like spiritual and visionary 1046 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:16.760 insights some bullshit like this, and hallucinations that these people 1047 01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:19.359 were having. They were still thinking it was like a 1048 01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:25.880 spiritual thing that these loonies and whatever they were trying 1049 01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:28.720 to gain some type of insight, and the families were 1050 01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:29.840 having to take care of them. 1051 01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:31.079 It started to. 1052 01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:36.159 Switch with the witch hunts because they decided that they 1053 01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:39.000 could just kill people that were loonies and they didn't 1054 01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:42.760 need to gain any spiritual insight from them, that it 1055 01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:46.680 would be much easier for all of them to just die. 1056 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:51.039 I mean, that is, as history breathes in and out, 1057 01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:54.840 a solution that has come up again time and time. 1058 01:08:55.279 --> 01:08:58.039 Yeah. So at first it was like their families were 1059 01:08:58.079 --> 01:08:59.840 taking care of them. They were trying to figure out 1060 01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:01.600 what was wrong with them, they were trying to get 1061 01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:05.079 some kind of spiritual insight. Then the witch hunts came about, and. 1062 01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.520 Then they went to purge. Yeah. 1063 01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:10.239 They were like, oh you're a witch, well we'll just 1064 01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:13.520 drowned you. Oh you're a luney, well we'll just drowned you, 1065 01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:18.880 burn you alive. Whatever, Just trying to basically take out 1066 01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:23.960 the trash, and when that didn't work, they would take 1067 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.600 the lunatics and the idiots or whatever they were calling 1068 01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:34.319 them to workhouses and poor houses and sometimes to these 1069 01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:38.880 quote unquote new private mad houses. And so this is 1070 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:41.800 where the whole mad house thing became. 1071 01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:47.199 It's a mad house. Yeah, I'm glad we're switching into 1072 01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:51.800 this area because I think the story really gets interesting. 1073 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:55.079 With the mad houses. Yeah, me too, Right, so it 1074 01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:58.359 goes witch hunt. Let's kill them all, just kidding. We 1075 01:09:58.399 --> 01:09:59.720 can't kill all of them. 1076 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:01.520 S built filing cabinets for this. 1077 01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:04.800 Let's build. And also if they were what they were 1078 01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:07.479 referred to as a natural born idiot, they could still 1079 01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.840 work in the workhouses and they could get some use 1080 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:13.119 out of them or in the poorhouses. And they were 1081 01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:20.239 having these like mentally disabled people like building stuff around 1082 01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:22.760 town and like not paying them. 1083 01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:24.600 And let explain some construction. 1084 01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.560 Well, no, think about it, Like what if somebody was 1085 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:31.000 just like barely like they were forced gup, you could 1086 01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:33.479 get them a fucking job doing stuff. 1087 01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:35.720 Or because you told me to drill, sergeant. 1088 01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:42.439 So by the mid nineteenth century, there would be one 1089 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:45.560 hundred to five hundred inmates, as they called them, in 1090 01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:46.680 each madhouse. 1091 01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:52.239 Well that's an accurate description what inmates. 1092 01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:55.399 Yeah, they weren't called patients. They weren't called they were 1093 01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:58.880 called inmates. You know. So by the mid nineteen cent. 1094 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:01.279 They hadn't really cleaned up up the language yet, like. 1095 01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:04.319 We do that. Yeah, well they're still in mass right. 1096 01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:07.439 This is an in treatment facility. It is not a prison, 1097 01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:11.079 even though prisons are way fucking better to go to. 1098 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:16.640 Yeah, I know a lot of cases. So the development 1099 01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:22.479 of this network of madhouses has been linked to new capitalists, 1100 01:11:22.479 --> 01:11:29.199 social relations, and a service economy that meant families were of. 1101 01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:35.239 That explains McDonald's. What McDonald's. There's always a retard sweeping 1102 01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:36.439 the floor at McDonald's. 1103 01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:39.079 They retards at goodwill and all. 1104 01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:39.880 Kinds of good will too. 1105 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:45.880 Yeah, but that would be their workhouse in the mid. 1106 01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:50.520 Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like there's still places there. Then, 1107 01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:53.159 well what do you think they're making well? 1108 01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:58.760 And anyways, these these mad houses meant families were off 1109 01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:03.600 the hook and not responsible for having to look after these. 1110 01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:10.000 That's why cabinets. Yeah, so mad. 1111 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.359 Madness and the whole like mad houses thing suddenly became 1112 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:18.760 a trend and was commonly depicted in literary works, like 1113 01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:23.520 with Shakespeare. It was kind of a fad like how 1114 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.239 it is now like everybody's got some type of mental illness. 1115 01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:31.199 Everybody's like putting it out there. Like they were literally 1116 01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:36.960 commercializing the mad house mid nineteenth century. And this is when, 1117 01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:44.399 in my opinion, it went completely from therapeutic spiritualism possible 1118 01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:50.079 you know, trepening and blood letting and prayers and all that. 1119 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:54.760 Forget it. When they developed the concept of the mad house, 1120 01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:59.199 it went strictly to medicine. So this is where you 1121 01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:02.479 can jump in how whenever you. 1122 01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:04.119 Well, I'm kind of sad to say that we've passed 1123 01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:06.760 the opportunity for me to talk about the wondering womb. 1124 01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:12.840 What's the wondering Well, maybe we'll fit it in because yes, 1125 01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:15.680 because I want to think like hysteria will come up. 1126 01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:19.359 It does, okay, but we'll slip this article in there. 1127 01:13:20.319 --> 01:13:24.640 But I have a lot on the mad house institution 1128 01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:29.560 and uh thing, and I want to start here because 1129 01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:33.359 even though when we think of these places today, we're 1130 01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:36.239 not thinking of like a bright, cheery place, you have 1131 01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:39.680 experiences with these places. Yes, I do you get triggered 1132 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:41.800 by you know? 1133 01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:42.520 Yeah? 1134 01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:50.000 These and two of American's poor story and like one 1135 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:52.640 flew over the Cuckoo's nest. So we'll talk about all 1136 01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:54.960 of that in episode three. So don't think we're gonna 1137 01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:58.119 leave pop culture out of this. But I want to 1138 01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:04.039 start with an article about the first documented mental institution, 1139 01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:06.000 as we will call them, but they called it a 1140 01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:08.119 psychiatric word in the article. 1141 01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:09.640 Is this a mad house? 1142 01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:14.399 This is a psychiatric word, the first one on record, 1143 01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:19.359 and it was in of all places, Muslim territory in 1144 01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:25.720 Baghdad ninth century AD. So we're going way back. And 1145 01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:28.439 you'll be surprised by this article because I heard that 1146 01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:33.399 the first mental institution was in Baghdad in ninth century 1147 01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:37.960 a D. And my curiosity was piqued, so I looked 1148 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:42.680 into it. And this is an article from the American 1149 01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:48.159 Journal of Psychiatry Residence Journal. That's a little that's a 1150 01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:54.640 little redundant American Journal of Psychiatry Residence Journal. The title 1151 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:59.199 of the article is Mohammad ibbin Zachariah al Razzi in 1152 01:14:59.279 --> 01:15:04.720 the first psychiatric word. Mohammed ibn Zachariah al Razzi. We're 1153 01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:07.800 gonna have to shorten that. Let us call him moy 1154 01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:10.920 was one of the most well known and respected physicians 1155 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:15.039 during the ninth century AD. Because of his revolutionary contributions 1156 01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:23.399 to medicine and psychiatry, mo influenced several medical fields, including pharmacology, pediatrics, neurology, 1157 01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:31.000 psychosomatic medicine, and medical ethics. He purified alcohol ethanol and 1158 01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:34.279 pioneered its use in medicine. I mean this is ninth 1159 01:15:34.279 --> 01:15:39.000 century AD. He rejected the notion of the mind body 1160 01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:43.840 dichotomy and considered mental health and self esteem as significant 1161 01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:47.279 factors that affect a person's health and well being. With 1162 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:50.560 the idea of sound mind in a healthy body, he 1163 01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:53.720 was able to help many of his patients to attain 1164 01:15:53.840 --> 01:15:57.479 complete health. He was one of the first known physicians 1165 01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:01.960 to describe the idea of psychotherapy. He used psychotherapy in 1166 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:06.159 a primitive but dynamic form in his practice. Muh was 1167 01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:09.640 born in eight sixty five AD in Al Ray, which 1168 01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:13.800 is located located outside Tehran. During his youth, he moved 1169 01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:17.520 to Baghdad, where he undertook medical studies and later practiced 1170 01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:20.359 at one of the local hospitals. The governor of Ray, 1171 01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:25.119 Monsieur ebin Eshak, later appointed him to head to hospital 1172 01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:28.119 in Baghdad. Mul wrote two hundred and thirty seven books 1173 01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:31.399 in his lifetime. Thirty six of which are still available today. 1174 01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:36.079 The most popular of his writings, Liber Continents, is considered 1175 01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:40.760 a medical encyclopedia. His books offered explanations for various mental 1176 01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:44.880 illnesses that plague society society during the tenth century. These 1177 01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:48.720 books also outlined symptoms and definitions, as well as differential 1178 01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:50.760 diagnoses and treatments for debt. 1179 01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:55.079 This was in the tenth century. Yeah, so this was 1180 01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:57.239 even before what I got. 1181 01:16:57.399 --> 01:16:59.680 Yeah, this goes way back, which is why I was 1182 01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:02.720 compared held by it, because obviously this model did come back, 1183 01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:07.279 but it was already here and left. While working as 1184 01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:10.640 the director of hospital in Baghdad, Mo introduced the concept 1185 01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:13.680 of psychiatric words as a place to care for patients 1186 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:18.239 with mental illness. According to his views, mental disorders should 1187 01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:22.319 be considered and treated as medical conditions. He conducted very 1188 01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:26.520 detailed clinical observations of patients with psychiatric conditions and provided 1189 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:32.159 treatment with diet, medication, occupational therapy, aroma therapy, baths, and 1190 01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:36.600 music therapy. Additionally, he practiced an early form of cognitive 1191 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:43.000 therapy for obsessive behavior. Mo described depression as a melancholic, 1192 01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:47.800 obsessive compulsive disorder which is triggered as a result of 1193 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:50.640 changes of blood flow in the brain. He stated that 1194 01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:53.279 physicians should always try to convince their patients of the 1195 01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:56.479 possibility of improvement in their condition, as well as hope 1196 01:17:56.479 --> 01:18:00.560 in the effectiveness of treatment. As part of this charge planning, 1197 01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:02.760 patients were given a sum of money to help with 1198 01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:06.920 their immediate needs and their transition back into society. To 1199 01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:10.880 our knowledge, this is the first recorded reference to psychiatric aftercare. 1200 01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:14.560 Moe believed that physicians should be modest, soft spoken, and 1201 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:18.479 gentle when communicating with their patients to ease the anxiety 1202 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:23.239 of receiving unfavorable views and unfavorable news. He stressed the 1203 01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:26.520 importance of communicating with patients on a personal level, rather 1204 01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:29.560 than simply making them aware of their illness. He used 1205 01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:33.560 a cheerful countenance and encouraged words to instill in patients 1206 01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:37.479 the hope of recovery. Both psychiatric residents and trainees alike 1207 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.880 can learn from Moe's approach to serving patients with compassion 1208 01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:44.800 and an understanding. He is a valuable source of inspiration 1209 01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:48.680 from the history of psychiatry with his original work and 1210 01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:50.399 distinct style. 1211 01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:54.000 Well, that's nothing like what I was going to talk about. 1212 01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:58.960 No, I just wanted to insert this because we're talking 1213 01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:05.479 about the first documented psychiatric word slash institutions. 1214 01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:08.520 He's going off of like what we talked about with 1215 01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:12.600 the Egyptians and the Chinese, like taking care of people. 1216 01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:18.239 And he's even before that move into like an intreatment, 1217 01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:19.960 just before. 1218 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:22.479 The move into what I was going to bring. 1219 01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:25.239 Up, well nineteen but yeah, what I'm saying, and I 1220 01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:28.720 think I think it's important that we show a success 1221 01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:31.439 from well, yeah, that fucking long ago, because. 1222 01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.359 That you were about to read the Horrides. 1223 01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:36.359 Thing when I and I'll just say this is my 1224 01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:40.760 preconceived bias. When I saw bag Dad ninth century a D. 1225 01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:46.319 I was expecting torture chambers, which is more for the Yeah, 1226 01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:48.920 come up, and that's more akin to what we have today. 1227 01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:54.319 Just to show you that fucking what, nine hundred years 1228 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:57.880 after Christ they had this shit figured out in the 1229 01:19:57.880 --> 01:19:58.840 fucking Middle East. 1230 01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:00.800 Well, that's very interesting and. 1231 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:02.840 We're still working our way back to that. I mean, 1232 01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:05.880 he even had like a government social program for these 1233 01:20:05.920 --> 01:20:07.560 people when they let them give them money. 1234 01:20:07.720 --> 01:20:12.039 Yeah, but why do you think if that was if 1235 01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:16.399 that happened in the tenth century, when we get to 1236 01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:19.840 the nineteenth century, it's a complete contrast. 1237 01:20:20.119 --> 01:20:24.119 Well, I'll just sum it up with the last paragraph. 1238 01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:29.600 Whoever wrote this article said both psychiatric residents and trainees 1239 01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:33.680 alike can learn from his approach to serving patients with 1240 01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:37.600 compassion and understanding, and that was not present in these 1241 01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:40.760 institutions that we're going to get into today. And I mean, 1242 01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:44.960 I think that contributing factors are a mile high. The 1243 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:47.960 economy of the time, the mental attitude of. 1244 01:20:48.079 --> 01:20:51.479 Took a nose dive after that as a society. 1245 01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:56.439 Yeah, I mean, let's get into it, because I have 1246 01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:59.279 an article. It's not even an article, it's just basically 1247 01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:02.279 a chart that shows when this shit came to America. 1248 01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:05.479 But I think you're gonna start talking about like kind 1249 01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:08.159 of Europe and shit first, right with the madhouses. 1250 01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:14.359 Well, because well, let me just start with this. What 1251 01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:18.279 that article you just read that was the tenth century. 1252 01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:21.439 Right by the time we get to the nineteenth century, 1253 01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:25.439 we've taken a fucking nosedive into the abyss. 1254 01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:29.640 Yeah, we're talking a thousand years. I'm just saying, like, 1255 01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:31.640 we could have figured, we could. 1256 01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:33.640 Have had the chance to figure this out, and we 1257 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:36.119 just always fuck ourselves. 1258 01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:39.760 The compassion and the understanding and the model is absent. 1259 01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:49.039 So by the uh nineteenth century, these public asylums, as 1260 01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:55.039 they were called, were absolutely barbaric. The most popular, most 1261 01:21:55.119 --> 01:21:58.880 notable one is called bedlam. Had you ever heard of it? 1262 01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:00.600 Yeah? 1263 01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:07.439 So they would actually let spectators pay a penny to 1264 01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:11.279 watch inmates be tortured as some form of entertainment. 1265 01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:14.119 Not shocked. 1266 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.960 I'm gonna dive a little bit further into that when 1267 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:21.039 we get to talking about the asylums themselves. But so 1268 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:28.960 the nineteenth century, in the context of industrialation, industrialization, and 1269 01:22:29.079 --> 01:22:34.359 population growth, saw a massive expansion of the number and 1270 01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:38.960 size of insane asylums in every Western country, in a 1271 01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:46.319 process called the Great Confinement or the Asylum Era. So 1272 01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:49.560 that's when it came to the US. Is that what 1273 01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:50.119 you got? 1274 01:22:50.640 --> 01:22:52.199 I have seventeen fifty two? 1275 01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:57.119 So is that in the nineteenth century. 1276 01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:03.239 Nineteenth century would be like eighteen hundreds. 1277 01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:10.760 Really, Yeah, So that's what I got was the Asylum era. 1278 01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:18.479 Yeah. So the Asylum era is eighteen ninety, so we're 1279 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:24.359 talking ten years before the nineteenth or the Yeah, let 1280 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:26.640 me just break this down because if we're moving into 1281 01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:32.159 America now, which it looks like we are on your notes. Yes, 1282 01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:36.039 so this is from the National Library of Medicine. It 1283 01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:39.159 is a dot gov website, so do with that with 1284 01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:44.720 what you will. This is the timeline of early psychiatric 1285 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:50.039 hospitals and asylums. The mentally ill and early America communities 1286 01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:53.800 were generally cared for by family members. However, in severe 1287 01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:59.239 cases they sometimes ended up in almshouses or jails. Because 1288 01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:02.079 mental illness was generally thought to be caused by a 1289 01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:05.600 moral or spiritual failing, punishment and shame were often handed 1290 01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:08.319 down to the menially ill and sometimes their families as well. 1291 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:12.359 As the population grew in certain areas became more densely settled, 1292 01:24:12.399 --> 01:24:16.079 mental illness became one of the number became one of 1293 01:24:16.119 --> 01:24:19.800 a number of social issues for which community institutions were 1294 01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:23.640 created in order to handle the needs of individuals collectively. 1295 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:29.039 So we have seventeen fifty two in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The 1296 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:32.319 Quakers in Philly were the first in America to make 1297 01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:35.359 an organized effort to care for the menially ill. The 1298 01:24:35.399 --> 01:24:39.319 newly opened Pennsylvania Hospital in Philly provided rooms in the basement, 1299 01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:42.760 complete with shackles attached to the walls, to house a 1300 01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:46.520 small number of mentally ill patients. Within a year or two, 1301 01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:49.760 the Press for admissions required additional space, and award was 1302 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.920 opened beside the hospital. Eventually, a new Pennsylvania hospital for 1303 01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:57.239 the insane was opened in a suburb in eighteen fifty 1304 01:24:57.279 --> 01:25:01.119 six and remained opened under different names until nineteen ninety eight. 1305 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:06.319 Then we moved to seventeen seventy three Williamsburg, Virginia, to 1306 01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:09.720 deal with mentally disturbed people who were causing problems in 1307 01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:13.199 the community. The Virginia legislature provided funds to build a 1308 01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:16.760 small hospital in Williamsburg. Over the years, the hospital grew 1309 01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:19.680 in size as needs arose, but remained within the historic 1310 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:22.920 area of the city until the mid twentieth century, when 1311 01:25:22.920 --> 01:25:26.520 a new hospital was built in a suburb. Today it 1312 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:28.439 is the Eastern State Hospital. 1313 01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:31.680 It's still open. Yeah, I bet it's haunted. 1314 01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.279 Seventeen ninety two in New York, New York, the New 1315 01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:39.000 York Hospital opened a ward for curable insane patients. In 1316 01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:42.279 eighteen oh eight, a free standing medical facility was built 1317 01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:44.720 nearby for the humane treatment of the mentally ill, and 1318 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:47.520 in eighteen twenty one, a larger facility called the blooming 1319 01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:50.439 Dell Asylum was built in in what is now the 1320 01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:55.119 Upper West Side the Uppavast Side in eighteen ninety four, 1321 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:57.840 it has moved further away to the suburb of White 1322 01:25:57.920 --> 01:26:01.119 Plains and it is currently under opper is the Paine 1323 01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:06.600 Whitney Westchester Hospital, a division of the New York Hospital 1324 01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:09.239 Cornell Whale Medical Center. 1325 01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:17.119 All of these places were, despite the description, completely brutal 1326 01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:17.399 to this. 1327 01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:22.680 Well, it didn't hold back. In the Philadelphia well, they. 1328 01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:24.960 All were doing it. 1329 01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:27.439 It was complete with shackles attached to the walls. 1330 01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:27.960 Yeah. 1331 01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:33.279 Eighteen seventeen, Philadelphia were going back to Philly. In Philadelphia, 1332 01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:36.119 the Asylum for the Relief of Persons Deprived of the 1333 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:40.680 use of their reason. They really worded up, yeah, was 1334 01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:44.479 opened under Quaker auspices as a private mental hospitals. It 1335 01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:47.920 continues to serve this function to this day as the 1336 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:51.279 Friends Hospital. Come hang out with your friends. You can 1337 01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:54.720 have a warm glass of shit. The hell app eighteen 1338 01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:59.800 twenty four, Julia's home state of Lexington, Kentucky. The Eastern 1339 01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:02.600 Don a tick asylum that's a little less worthy than 1340 01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:08.560 the last one, was opened in Lexington, KY as the 1341 01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:12.640 first mental institution west of the Appalachians. It still operates 1342 01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:16.520 today under the name Eastern State Hospital. And then we 1343 01:27:16.600 --> 01:27:20.000 go to eighteen ninety with a broad sweeping statement all 1344 01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:23.760 across America. By eighteen ninety, every state had built one 1345 01:27:23.800 --> 01:27:27.520 or more publicly supported mental hospitals, which all expanded in 1346 01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:32.680 size as the country's population increased. By mid twentieth century, 1347 01:27:32.720 --> 01:27:36.439 the hospitals housed over half a million patients, but began 1348 01:27:36.479 --> 01:27:40.479 to diminish in a size as new methods of treatment 1349 01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:41.439 became available. 1350 01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:44.520 Because this is what I'm talking about with the asylum 1351 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:51.520 era stuff. They were beating people, whipping them, they were 1352 01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:55.640 chaining them up, they were starving them. I mean, I 1353 01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:58.199 know that article made it just sound like, Oh, they 1354 01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:03.159 opened hospitals and they were they were awful to those people. Yeah. 1355 01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:05.199 And then if we get into some of the reasons 1356 01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:07.600 that you could have to go to one of these places, 1357 01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:09.000 it starts to ga even more bleak. 1358 01:28:10.439 --> 01:28:12.760 Uh Yeah, like being. 1359 01:28:12.520 --> 01:28:21.840 Gay, having a father who's an alcoholic, being black, Yeah, Kanye. 1360 01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:27.520 But actually it's during this era, thence the asylum era 1361 01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:33.399 eighteen seventy six to eighteen eighty, that the notion of 1362 01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:41.479 female hysteria became popularized. Are you familiar with female hysteria 1363 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:42.720 and its treatment? 1364 01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:45.199 Do you have any answer that? 1365 01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:49.000 Honestly, no, let me just say what it is, because 1366 01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:55.600 I think I told you already. But so, the hysteria 1367 01:28:55.640 --> 01:29:00.399 was a medical diagnosis given to women exhibiting a wide 1368 01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:05.399 range of symptoms, including anxiety, depression, moods, wings, headaches, and 1369 01:29:05.479 --> 01:29:13.319 even fainting spells anxiety. The term itself derived from the 1370 01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:21.079 Greek word hysteria, meaning uterus. Uh. It was believed to 1371 01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:27.279 be linked to a woman's reproductive system and its wandering imbalances. 1372 01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:33.000 And you said you didn't have this in your notes. No, 1373 01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:36.880 this is wandering. Yeah, yeah, you just said the uterus 1374 01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:40.640 and it's wandering in quotes or imbalances. So you know 1375 01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:42.520 about the wandering uterus? 1376 01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:43.359 Is it the same? 1377 01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.920 Did you read that right there? It is believed to 1378 01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:52.560 be linked to a woman's reproductive system, the uterus, and 1379 01:29:52.600 --> 01:29:56.479 it's wandering or imbalances. Yes, so I have the wandering. 1380 01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:59.000 But what you're talking about You said it was ancient 1381 01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:00.000 Egypt or something. 1382 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:05.279 No, I said that Hippocrates talked about it. Well, this 1383 01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:09.199 was way act so, but they did look into it 1384 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:12.000 back then, and I'll give an overview. I mean I 1385 01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:14.279 could pull up the article, but it's kind of seered 1386 01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:14.960 into my brain. 1387 01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:15.800 God. 1388 01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:22.000 Well, back in Hippocrates days. They fucking talked about how 1389 01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:27.880 everybody thought the uterus was like a living bean inside 1390 01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:30.239 of another bean, and they thought it was like an 1391 01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:34.640 animal that roamed and it was enticed by certain smells. 1392 01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:38.359 So like an overact of person's uterus was said to 1393 01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:41.520 have wondered too high, and they would entice it with 1394 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:44.359 pleasant smells to get it back into the upper puss area. 1395 01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:48.840 And then oh my, if a woman was lethargic or 1396 01:30:49.199 --> 01:30:52.920 you know, not following orders, her uterus was said to 1397 01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:56.279 have wandered too low, so they'd put the enticing smells 1398 01:30:56.319 --> 01:30:59.920 down by the puss and try to get it come 1399 01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:06.640 back up. So this wondering uterus thing did originate a 1400 01:31:06.760 --> 01:31:10.000 long time ago, but they did bring it back. 1401 01:31:10.399 --> 01:31:11.720 Why does everybody think? 1402 01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:14.359 So that makes more sense about what you're about to 1403 01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:17.159 talk about. It's also like that theovont coult we were 1404 01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:22.039 talking about, what where they would like give them massages 1405 01:31:22.119 --> 01:31:24.520 and then give him a finger finish. 1406 01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:29.399 Yeah, yeah, what is all these ancient cultures And even 1407 01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:32.720 in the eighteen eighties, it's like, oh, women are so crazy. 1408 01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:34.039 It's they're uterine. 1409 01:31:35.359 --> 01:31:36.840 I mean, it is the missing link. 1410 01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:43.239 But so the treatment for the female hysteria was a 1411 01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:45.239 pelvic massage. 1412 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:49.000 A front rub, hashtrag, what's his name? 1413 01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:52.319 There is something I want to talk about with this. 1414 01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:55.439 It was part of a conversation we were having. 1415 01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:56.840 But you need a front rub? 1416 01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:02.239 No but so. Victorian doctors, sometimes assisted by midwives, performed 1417 01:32:02.359 --> 01:32:09.720 manual stimulation of female patients genitals to induce a hysterical paroxysm, 1418 01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:13.520 which is now recognized as an orgasm. 1419 01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:20.399 I prefer the term hysterical parocism over female orgasm. That's 1420 01:32:20.439 --> 01:32:20.880 a myth. 1421 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:28.800 So this was supposed to alleviate hysteria, but as demand 1422 01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:33.560 for this treatment increase, doctors reportedly grew tired and developed 1423 01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:38.359 early vibrating devices to assist in the process. And these 1424 01:32:38.399 --> 01:32:42.920 devices were initially marketed as medical tools before transitioning to 1425 01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:47.359 personal use and so out of the asylum era, one 1426 01:32:47.720 --> 01:32:52.840 good thing came out of it, So fellers, the vibrator. 1427 01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:55.520 If you come home late at night after working your 1428 01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:59.039 ass off for ten days solid and you see your 1429 01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:02.439 ladies vibrator plugged in, that bitch is crazy. 1430 01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:04.359 It's a medical device. 1431 01:33:04.479 --> 01:33:05.319 Hysteria. 1432 01:33:05.680 --> 01:33:06.720 I have hysteria. 1433 01:33:07.359 --> 01:33:09.960 Fucking what's it called self medication? 1434 01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:13.319 You should feel sorry for me that I have a 1435 01:33:13.359 --> 01:33:14.439 medical problem. 1436 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:17.359 I was talking hypothetical. Did that never happened to us? 1437 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:22.039 Right, you're right, that never happened. But you remember what 1438 01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:27.920 you said? You said, can you imagine what the Victorian 1439 01:33:28.039 --> 01:33:29.880 era puss smelled like? 1440 01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:33.079 That had nothing to do with this, Yes, it was. 1441 01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:36.079 You said, can you imagine? Oh no, you said, the 1442 01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:39.760 reason that they had hysteria is because in the Victorian 1443 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:43.039 era their husbands were too pump chumps and they weren't 1444 01:33:43.039 --> 01:33:46.479 going down on them because Victorian puss smelled Bud. 1445 01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:49.600 I think you're tying a lot of different parts of 1446 01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:51.039 conversations together. 1447 01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:53.560 Are you sure. I'm pretty sure. It's when we were talking, 1448 01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:56.600 I said, have you ever heard about I. 1449 01:33:56.520 --> 01:33:59.000 Said that the husbands were too pump chumps. 1450 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:01.960 That's why they had hysteria. 1451 01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:06.600 That's why they never got off. Yeah, hysteria could just 1452 01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:12.520 be labeled sexual or exprustration sctual frustration. They didn't have 1453 01:34:12.560 --> 01:34:16.640 the vibrating hogs back then. You had to use like 1454 01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:21.000 a stick, go find a perfectly shaped carrot in. 1455 01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:24.800 The fridge, masturbated like, just as. 1456 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:27.680 Long as humans have been around, masturbation has been a thing. 1457 01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:32.239 Male masturbation, though all across the board, female male them's 1458 01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:33.640 these they. 1459 01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:36.000 Have to go to the clinic because. 1460 01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:38.119 It's just not the same unless someone else is doing it. 1461 01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:43.359 Anyways, I think Victorian posts probably smelled better than modern 1462 01:34:43.399 --> 01:34:45.279 day puss. That's all I'm saying. 1463 01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:47.920 If you could get past the pubic care, which hey, 1464 01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:49.680 I'm not against the pibes. 1465 01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:55.479 You know, it's supposed to be there for cleanliness reasons. Pubes, Yeah, 1466 01:34:55.640 --> 01:34:56.680 to keep stuff out. 1467 01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:02.359 Oh yeah, those critters, Yeah, they get distracted by the jungle. 1468 01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:04.079 That's that's what they say. 1469 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:05.039 Okay. 1470 01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:11.119 Anyways, they sure had a heck of a lot cleaner diet. 1471 01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:13.600 Than we have now, and the other pH was probably 1472 01:35:13.600 --> 01:35:15.800 a little bit more on point without all the refined 1473 01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:17.760 sugars and well. 1474 01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:20.000 Also, what I was saying to you is, if you've 1475 01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:23.439 ever been into a public women's restroom, you will know 1476 01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:28.560 that there's no way a Victorian puss could smell worse 1477 01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:30.720 than a twenty twenty five puss. 1478 01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:32.640 It's insane, a. 1479 01:35:32.680 --> 01:35:35.439 Homeless twenty twenty five puss and all they eat is 1480 01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:38.600 like McDonald's and Taco bell and then they go into 1481 01:35:38.640 --> 01:35:42.199 the public restrooms to clean up. Smell one of those 1482 01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:45.600 pusses and tell me if you'd not rather have a Victorian. 1483 01:35:45.720 --> 01:35:53.159 Feel like we've strayed, good, all right, So we're talking 1484 01:35:53.199 --> 01:35:58.479 about the asylum era. So it was also around this 1485 01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:04.800 time numerous different classification schemes and diagnostic terms were developed 1486 01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:11.800 by different authorities taking an increasingly anatomical clinical descriptive approach. 1487 01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:17.960 And this is when the term psychiatry was coined. Which 1488 01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:23.560 they're saying that it wasn't until the nineteenth century that 1489 01:36:24.279 --> 01:36:28.359 the term psychiatry was coined, but your article was from 1490 01:36:28.399 --> 01:36:29.239 the tenth century. 1491 01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:33.319 Yeah, but they were saying his approach falls under the psychiatry, 1492 01:36:33.680 --> 01:36:36.760 even though they weren't calling it that back then. They 1493 01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:43.920 were calling it baclava Muhammad Ali. Yeah, No, they weren't 1494 01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:47.159 calling it psychiatry. But they're just pointing out that they 1495 01:36:47.319 --> 01:36:49.720 clearly were practicing it, even though they didn't have the 1496 01:36:49.760 --> 01:36:50.720 same name for it. 1497 01:36:51.479 --> 01:37:02.279 So in this era, the asylum superintendents later were renamed psychiatrists, 1498 01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:10.880 and they were they used to be called alienists because 1499 01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:15.920 they were thought to deal with people alienated from society, 1500 01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:21.520 but then they later became known as psychiatrists. But they 1501 01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:27.520 didn't actually have any medical training. They were just asylum superintendents. 1502 01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:30.920 They're tratchet Yeah. 1503 01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:36.359 And that was the first psychiatrists. But so in the 1504 01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:39.840 United States, it was proposed that black slaves who tried 1505 01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:49.239 to escape had a mental disorder termed drape domainia drape domania, 1506 01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:55.119 which is the belief that slavery was such an improvement 1507 01:37:55.359 --> 01:38:00.199 upon the lives of slaves that only those suffering from 1508 01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:04.479 some form of mental illness would try to escape. So 1509 01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:08.880 what was the treatment for drape domania. 1510 01:38:09.319 --> 01:38:10.560 Whippings? 1511 01:38:11.119 --> 01:38:11.880 Uh to death. 1512 01:38:11.960 --> 01:38:13.960 Actually, well, that'll cure it. 1513 01:38:14.319 --> 01:38:18.359 Because apparently the you know, the treatment worked because they 1514 01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:19.479 never received any. 1515 01:38:19.239 --> 01:38:25.680 Complaints and they never ran again. Good cures all around. 1516 01:38:25.960 --> 01:38:28.079 But this is what you were talking about when you 1517 01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:31.680 said it became a little bit blurry as to why 1518 01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:36.479 people were getting admitted into the asylums. So if a 1519 01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:38.880 black slave tried to run away, they would say he 1520 01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:42.520 had drape domania and whip him to death in an asylum. 1521 01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:45.520 Or if a woman didn't have dinner on the table 1522 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:48.520 when her husband got home for work, she was hysterical. 1523 01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:53.840 So we will talk about once you get into these places, 1524 01:38:54.439 --> 01:38:55.319 good luck get now. 1525 01:38:56.800 --> 01:39:00.239 Literally the slaves were just taken there to die and 1526 01:39:00.279 --> 01:39:03.640 they would say they had drake domania. So this is 1527 01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:06.880 where I was saying I agree with you. The line 1528 01:39:06.920 --> 01:39:11.760 between an it's insane person and just somebody you're trying 1529 01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:15.319 to get rid of. That line started to blur big 1530 01:39:15.399 --> 01:39:17.199 time during this era. 1531 01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:20.720 Yeah, a lot of people would call other people mentally 1532 01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:24.079 insane if they just wanted to get them put away, 1533 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:30.359 Like enemies could call you insane, and if they were 1534 01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:33.600 convincing enough, you were put in the filing cabinet. 1535 01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:39.560 Yeah. So in Nazi Germany, the institutionalized mentally ill were 1536 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:47.279 among the earliest targets of sterilization campaigns and covert euthanasia programs. 1537 01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:52.199 They should have been inducted into the Church of Euthanasia. 1538 01:39:52.279 --> 01:39:56.159 It's been estimated that over two hundred thousand individuals with 1539 01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:59.760 mental disorders of all kinds were put to death all 1540 01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:05.319 the so their mass murder has received relatively little historical attention. 1541 01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:10.079 And this is during the asylum era. So and now, 1542 01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:14.680 of course, Nazi Germany, are you kidding me? That was 1543 01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:21.640 like they already had like the death camps that was 1544 01:40:21.680 --> 01:40:24.760 for the Jews and the whatever. Whatever. It's like, if 1545 01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:26.600 they just don't like you, they'll put. 1546 01:40:26.479 --> 01:40:29.880 You in a Yeah. I mean, well, I hate to 1547 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:34.239 piss people off, but Jewish people like to have a 1548 01:40:34.239 --> 01:40:37.720 monopoly on what was going on back then, and they 1549 01:40:37.720 --> 01:40:40.560 were a part of it, no doubt about it. But 1550 01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:47.239 it was more of people over here funding a huge experiment. Yeah, 1551 01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:50.840 we can go to the Bush family and all of 1552 01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:54.600 the central banks funding this Nazi research that may not 1553 01:40:54.640 --> 01:40:57.479 have even been Nazi research, but they did take the 1554 01:40:57.520 --> 01:41:00.439 fall for it. There were camps, and yeah, I wasn't 1555 01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:03.880 just Jewish people. It was gay people, it was mentally 1556 01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:09.039 ill people, anybody who looked funnier, sounded funnier, you could, 1557 01:41:09.119 --> 01:41:10.800 you could end up in a place like this. 1558 01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:17.119 So they literally had establishments for everyone eth asia programs, 1559 01:41:17.560 --> 01:41:20.840 they had sterilization programs. 1560 01:41:20.359 --> 01:41:23.359 And it's almost like these concentration camps were a more 1561 01:41:23.479 --> 01:41:26.920 honest representation of what the mental institutions were doing too. 1562 01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:33.920 But it was a state sanctioned torture program, and yeah, 1563 01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:39.199 it continues to this day. So yeah, I mean, I 1564 01:41:39.199 --> 01:41:41.760 would say a lot of the treatments probably came right 1565 01:41:41.800 --> 01:41:42.960 out of that Nazierra. 1566 01:41:43.800 --> 01:41:48.680 Yeah, sterilization, euthanasia, whipping, beating, change. 1567 01:41:48.479 --> 01:41:51.800 I mean, there's a starving. There's a fuzzy line when 1568 01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:54.600 it comes to the history of the lobotomy, but I 1569 01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:57.680 guarantee you they tried to perfect in these camps. 1570 01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:00.479 Okay, well I get that's the next thing I was, 1571 01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:02.159 did you have anything. 1572 01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:04.239 For Well, yeah, I want to get into some of 1573 01:42:04.279 --> 01:42:07.119 these methods and we're going to finish on the lobotomy 1574 01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:09.159 and then we can swing it back to you. Okay, 1575 01:42:09.239 --> 01:42:11.720 but I have two short articles to read. This one 1576 01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:18.720 is from Saint Finnshospital dot com. Yeah, this just might 1577 01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:24.920 be some weird publication, but it's Saint Finnan's Hospital in 1578 01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:29.640 Killarney in Ireland. Looking back at some of the treatments. 1579 01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:35.720 You mean doing any Irish accent, I'd rather not looking back. 1580 01:42:36.279 --> 01:42:39.560 Here's my white guy accent. Looking back at some of 1581 01:42:39.560 --> 01:42:41.720 the treatments that were used to treat the mentally ill 1582 01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:45.359 in Ireland can be quite shocking. Usually there was a 1583 01:42:45.479 --> 01:42:49.960 rationale that drove the treatment strategy strategy, but today many 1584 01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:55.239 seem barbaric, dangerous, if not downright torturous. This article is 1585 01:42:55.279 --> 01:42:57.920 going to describe one of the homegrown treatments that gained 1586 01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:05.760 international use. William Saunders o'halahan o'halahan oh Hallaran was a 1587 01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:09.479 Cork physician who was the Medical Superintendent at the County 1588 01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:15.319 and City of Cork Lunatic Asylum for forty years. In 1589 01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:19.399 the early eighteen hundreds, he invented a circulating a circulating 1590 01:43:19.479 --> 01:43:22.760 swing to induce sleep in control over individuals with acute 1591 01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:28.960 mania or of obstinate nature. The patient was strapped into 1592 01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:31.680 a chair or hammock and swung around at a rate 1593 01:43:32.119 --> 01:43:35.840 of one hundred revolutions per minute, giving a massive rush 1594 01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:39.359 of blood to the head, intensifying emotions as anxiety and fear, 1595 01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:45.359 and causing physical symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, urination that 1596 01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:53.359 means pissing, and sometimes brain hemorrhage. No Biggie Holleran, being 1597 01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:56.520 a cute Corkman, realized that some of the mentally ill 1598 01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:59.359 patients just enjoyed the experience of the swinging and the 1599 01:43:59.359 --> 01:44:04.640 fun of being on it improved the mood. Therefore, Holleran 1600 01:44:04.840 --> 01:44:10.159 widened the use of the swing to a wider insanity diagnosis. 1601 01:44:10.640 --> 01:44:13.359 Show the picture on the screen. 1602 01:44:14.039 --> 01:44:18.119 I don't know if it'll pick it up. Way there 1603 01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:18.399 I go. 1604 01:44:20.119 --> 01:44:20.800 Nice. 1605 01:44:23.319 --> 01:44:26.399 Halleran put together a catalog of treatments that he used 1606 01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:29.720 at the Lunatic Asylum in Cork and published the descriptions 1607 01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:35.079 with illustrations. Now I'm gonna fast forward This is another 1608 01:44:35.159 --> 01:44:39.560 method that comes up a lot in like the tortuous ways. 1609 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:45.000 It's called hydrotherapy. Sounds like it'd be nice. Well, you 1610 01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:48.720 could go to the sauna, get your cold plunge in right. 1611 01:44:49.399 --> 01:44:52.159 Hydro Therapy was a popular method of This is from 1612 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:59.119 Restoring Perspective Life and treatment at the London Asylum. Hydro 1613 01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:02.479 Therapy was ap their method of treatment for mental illness 1614 01:45:02.479 --> 01:45:04.640 at the beginning of the twentieth century and was used 1615 01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:08.359 at many institutions, including the London Asylum for the insane. 1616 01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:11.279 Water was thought to be an effected treatment because it 1617 01:45:11.279 --> 01:45:14.039 could be heated or cooled to different temperatures, which, when 1618 01:45:14.079 --> 01:45:17.479 applied to the skin, could produce various reactions throughout the 1619 01:45:17.560 --> 01:45:20.560 rest of the body. One of the main benefits of 1620 01:45:20.640 --> 01:45:25.199 hydrotherapy treatment was its ability to take effect quickly. Hydrotherapy 1621 01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:29.920 could be accomplished with baths, packs, or sprays. Orm Continuous 1622 01:45:29.920 --> 01:45:32.920 baths were used to treat patients suffering from insomnia, those 1623 01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:36.680 considered to be a suicidal and assultive and calm excited 1624 01:45:36.840 --> 01:45:42.079 and agitated behavior. A patient could expect a continuous bath 1625 01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:45.279 treatment to last from several hours to several days, or 1626 01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:50.159 sometimes even even overnight. Continuous baths were the most effective. 1627 01:45:50.199 --> 01:45:52.159 One held in a quiet room with little light and 1628 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:56.079 audio stimulation, thus allowing the patient to relax and possibly 1629 01:45:56.119 --> 01:45:59.720 even fall asleep. Bath temperatures typically range from ninety two 1630 01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:02.279 to night ninety seven as so as not to cause injury. 1631 01:46:03.239 --> 01:46:07.039 Packs consisted of sheets dipped in various temperatures of water, 1632 01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:11.199 which were then wrapped around the patient for several hours, 1633 01:46:11.199 --> 01:46:14.880 depending on the case. Sprays functioned like showers and used 1634 01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:17.840 either warm or cold water. Cold water was used to 1635 01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:22.359 treat patients diagnosed with manic depressive psychoses and those showing 1636 01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:26.640 signs of excitement and increased motor activity. Application of cold 1637 01:46:26.640 --> 01:46:30.279 water slowed down blood flowed the brain, decreasing mental and 1638 01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:34.159 physical activity. The temperature for a cold pack arranged from 1639 01:46:34.199 --> 01:46:38.600 forty eight degrees to seventy degrees. Hydrotherapy was used throughout 1640 01:46:38.600 --> 01:46:43.560 the earliest century at the London Asylum for the insane. 1641 01:46:44.079 --> 01:46:46.720 I've seen this though in movies. 1642 01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:50.840 Old packs. No hydrotherapy, What about the sheets? No? 1643 01:46:50.920 --> 01:46:53.319 But I will tell you it's nothing like what they're 1644 01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:54.840 describing right there. 1645 01:46:54.960 --> 01:47:03.960 Well, this seems to be in favor of right, This 1646 01:47:04.039 --> 01:47:10.560 gets pretty fucking dark. So this is from new histories, lobotomy, 1647 01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:15.920 insulin coma therapy, electric shock, and cortisol, the miracle cures 1648 01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:17.239 question mark. 1649 01:47:17.760 --> 01:47:21.479 Well, I got a lot to talk about lobotomis. 1650 01:47:21.159 --> 01:47:23.640 Well, this is going to be the segue into the lobotomy. 1651 01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:27.239 But I just wanted to let you know. The hydrotherapy, 1652 01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:33.359 from what I have seen depicted, is nothing like that description. Okay, 1653 01:47:33.439 --> 01:47:36.000 they would put you in a tank with boiling hot water. 1654 01:47:36.319 --> 01:47:39.840 Yeah, it seems like they would do extremes. Yeah, old 1655 01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:41.000 and hot, but. 1656 01:47:40.920 --> 01:47:43.039 They would zipper you up in there, and then they 1657 01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:46.960 would like so you couldn't get out, and they would 1658 01:47:47.039 --> 01:47:50.680 leave you in there. It's apparently for hours or days. 1659 01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:55.039 Or well, that article was very weirdly worded and it 1660 01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:59.600 said from one day to several days, sometimes even overnight. Well, yeah, 1661 01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:03.760 days implies many overnights, many overnight. 1662 01:48:04.439 --> 01:48:06.960 But yeah, they would you couldn't get out. It wasn't 1663 01:48:07.039 --> 01:48:08.880 like you were just soaking in the tub with some 1664 01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:12.960 rose petals and some fucking basalts. They would just boil 1665 01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:19.960 you for days or freeze you with just your head 1666 01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:20.640 sticking out. 1667 01:48:21.479 --> 01:48:25.880 Yeah. Me, anybody knows you're getting a hot tub for 1668 01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:31.520 over an hour you're hydrated. Yeah, especially you've been drinking 1669 01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:32.479 a little briskies. 1670 01:48:33.159 --> 01:48:35.520 Anyways, just wanted to throw that out there. 1671 01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:38.159 Yeah. I mean, I'd never have seen it done other 1672 01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:42.239 than in movies, so I'm not sure. But the one 1673 01:48:42.279 --> 01:48:47.439 that got me was getting these sheets at different temperatures 1674 01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:52.239 of water and wrapping them around people. I mean, imagine 1675 01:48:52.239 --> 01:48:54.640 if you had like a claustrophobic. 1676 01:48:53.880 --> 01:48:56.840 Patient, Well, imagine just your head sticking out of the 1677 01:48:56.880 --> 01:48:58.560 tub and getting boiled for days. 1678 01:48:58.720 --> 01:49:03.399 Yeah. All right, So this again is called the bottomy, 1679 01:49:03.560 --> 01:49:09.039 Insulin coma therapy, electroshock, and cortisol the miracle cures question mark. 1680 01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:15.119 In nineteen thirty six, Antonio Egasimonies proposed the lobotomy, a 1681 01:49:15.279 --> 01:49:18.319 form of brain surgery that physicians believed provide a cure 1682 01:49:18.359 --> 01:49:23.359 for the baffling condition of schizophrenia. According to Reputable Medical Journal, 1683 01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:26.399 the lancet, a long, hollow needle to which is attached 1684 01:49:26.399 --> 01:49:29.239 to a loop of strong wire, was inserted into the 1685 01:49:29.239 --> 01:49:31.760 brain and blindly rotated to cut a core of the 1686 01:49:31.800 --> 01:49:37.000 white substance in the prefrontal cortex. This description causes extreme 1687 01:49:37.039 --> 01:49:40.239 discomfort for the modern day reader. With what we know today, 1688 01:49:40.279 --> 01:49:42.640 it is clear that the only thing the surgery achieved 1689 01:49:42.680 --> 01:49:46.399 was extensive brain damage in patients for contemporaries, however, this 1690 01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:50.439 was considered an innovative miracle cure. In fact, the treatment 1691 01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:54.319 was so acclaimed it won Igasimuns a Nobel Prize in 1692 01:49:54.359 --> 01:49:58.720 nineteen forty nine, thirteen after his first conception of the idea, 1693 01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:03.880 botomy will mostly widely condemned today. Was not the only 1694 01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:07.079 questionable treatment to emerge in the early twentieth century. A 1695 01:50:07.159 --> 01:50:11.960 less well known but equally unfruitful treatment was insulin coma therapy, 1696 01:50:12.239 --> 01:50:16.800 first introduced by Manfried J. Sakel in nineteen twenty seven. 1697 01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:20.640 The patient was injected with insulin over six days, inducing 1698 01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:26.760 regular comas aka hypoglycemia for two or three hour periods. 1699 01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:30.840 This was This approach risked and irreversible coma, brain damage, 1700 01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:35.920 and even death the lancet ict in. The lancet ict, 1701 01:50:36.640 --> 01:50:41.439 which is insulin coma therapy, was often used as a 1702 01:50:41.479 --> 01:50:45.880 comparison point for newer methods, a demonstration of the authority 1703 01:50:45.880 --> 01:50:48.880 it managed to achieve in this period. A drug that 1704 01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:52.760 is less readily accepted but still prominent in medical text 1705 01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:57.520 was cortisol treatment or metrizol in the US injectoring cortisol 1706 01:50:58.119 --> 01:51:01.119 induced an epileptic fit and patient. It's based on medical 1707 01:51:01.199 --> 01:51:08.119 belief that epilepsy and schizophrenia could not occur together, so 1708 01:51:08.199 --> 01:51:11.600 they thought if you were epileptic, you couldn't have schizophrenia, 1709 01:51:11.640 --> 01:51:16.520 so they made you epileptic. That's not funny. I don't 1710 01:51:16.520 --> 01:51:17.199 know why I'm laughing. 1711 01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:20.600 Well, it's hilarious, actually. I mean, this is why I 1712 01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:24.279 said the asylum era was the end of spirituality in 1713 01:51:24.319 --> 01:51:25.840 the beginning of everything's just. 1714 01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:28.800 Medicine, and that's just That's when I also said that 1715 01:51:28.840 --> 01:51:31.680 it started to get really fucking dark. Yeah, I mean, 1716 01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:34.000 I think I'd take a couple chunks of skull out 1717 01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:35.119 of my head over this shit. 1718 01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:39.560 That's what I'm saying. Little blood letting, come on. I 1719 01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:42.560 you know, before I was pregnant, I let blood out 1720 01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:46.199 all the time. It helped with my hysteria apparently. 1721 01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:52.279 Okay, so yeah, they believe that schizophrenia couldnot occur with 1722 01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:55.359 epilepsy in one person. Far less research existed in support 1723 01:51:55.399 --> 01:51:59.039 for this therapy, but as it was cheaper then ict 1724 01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:03.520 was in regular use. Due to immensephere expressed by patients 1725 01:52:03.520 --> 01:52:06.640 that underwent this treatment, Cortisol injections were soon replaced with 1726 01:52:06.720 --> 01:52:10.640 electroshock therapy, still in use today. In its early days, 1727 01:52:10.640 --> 01:52:14.239 electroshock therapy was significantly more dangerous than it is now. 1728 01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:19.680 Ugo Serletti's original method involved placing electrobes on the temple 1729 01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:22.720 of the patient. Patient shocked with eighty or ninety volts 1730 01:52:22.720 --> 01:52:25.840 to produce an epileptic fit. It is interesting that this 1731 01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:29.720 was the lowest somatic treatment to gain credibility, considered far 1732 01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:33.760 inferior to the insulin one. Clearly, these treatments did not 1733 01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:37.279 work and even crueled by today's standards. So why did 1734 01:52:37.319 --> 01:52:40.640 contemporaries hold them into such high esteem. The answer is 1735 01:52:40.640 --> 01:52:44.159 two fold. Psychiatrists in this period aspired to achieve legitimate 1736 01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:48.439 medical status, forced to make their approaches more scientific to 1737 01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:52.520 gain approval. Of course, by today's standards, sematic treatments were 1738 01:52:52.560 --> 01:52:56.600 not scientific at all. However, being scientific had different criteria 1739 01:52:56.800 --> 01:53:00.760 criteria for temporaries, with less of a focus on objectivity 1740 01:53:01.239 --> 01:53:05.000 in favor of empirical evidence. Research was largely in the 1741 01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:07.439 use form of the case study, which at the time 1742 01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:12.760 was perfectly acceptable in medical circles. One article even comprised 1743 01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:15.399 of a letter from a lobotomy patient himself, posing the 1744 01:53:15.479 --> 01:53:18.159 questions what use was it to live at all? If 1745 01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:21.680 one was only half alive? The value of empirical evidence 1746 01:53:21.680 --> 01:53:26.560 and research is clear, as the patient's subjective first time 1747 01:53:26.640 --> 01:53:30.399 account was lauded in an esteemed medical journal. Outside of 1748 01:53:30.439 --> 01:53:35.319 psychiatric profession, it was still widely held that psychosomatic treatments worked. 1749 01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:39.279 This belief is understandable after considering that the definition of 1750 01:53:39.319 --> 01:53:43.600 being cured was also differed in the historical context. In 1751 01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:46.319 nineteen fifty four, an article in The Lancet declared with 1752 01:53:46.359 --> 01:53:50.159 glee that young schizophrenics no longer filled the hospitals. In 1753 01:53:50.199 --> 01:53:52.840 many ways, this was a marked improvement to a patient's 1754 01:53:52.920 --> 01:53:56.600 quality of life, the alternative being oblique lifetime in a 1755 01:53:56.680 --> 01:53:59.640 hospital to weigh out the illness. If a patient was 1756 01:53:59.680 --> 01:54:01.920 able to cope in their community, they were in much 1757 01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:05.640 better situation than if they were detained in a mental war. Furthermore, 1758 01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:09.319 hospitals were expensive, which made mentally ill. Being mentally ill 1759 01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:12.520 a great burden in ways that are not today. If 1760 01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:15.439 the outcomes of psychosomatic treatments are weighed up against the 1761 01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:18.000 realities of the time, it is easy to understand why 1762 01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:22.960 contemporary so willingly accepted these treatments as the cure for schizophrenia. 1763 01:54:23.479 --> 01:54:25.960 Our perceptions of the past are often shaded by the 1764 01:54:25.960 --> 01:54:28.359 standards of the modern day. I'm not even to finish 1765 01:54:28.359 --> 01:54:33.279 reading the last few sentences. These guys totally just like said, yeah, 1766 01:54:33.319 --> 01:54:35.720 it was horrible, it was torturous, but you know what, 1767 01:54:35.840 --> 01:54:37.920 they just did what they had to do in the time. 1768 01:54:37.960 --> 01:54:40.840 They admitted it's gonna say, whoever wrote this article sucks. 1769 01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:45.920 Yeah, they're shilling, but they are, but they do give 1770 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:48.439 a good information. Then they just turned tail. 1771 01:54:49.560 --> 01:54:54.880 Okay, but that's not I mean, they're like, what they're 1772 01:54:54.920 --> 01:54:58.840 not also saying is that the reason why electroshock therapy 1773 01:54:58.960 --> 01:55:00.960 is still used today is that's the reason they were 1774 01:55:01.079 --> 01:55:04.920 using it back then. Okay, and it's at a much 1775 01:55:05.159 --> 01:55:11.279 lesser voltage by the way, No, it's it still doesn't work. 1776 01:55:11.319 --> 01:55:13.439 What I'm saying, though, is they're still allowed to use it, 1777 01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:15.239 but they've had to like tone it down to like 1778 01:55:15.279 --> 01:55:19.319 a fucking little zap. What they were doing with electroshock 1779 01:55:19.399 --> 01:55:24.439 therapy back then was shooting excessive volts of electric into 1780 01:55:24.479 --> 01:55:25.199 your brain hole. 1781 01:55:25.560 --> 01:55:29.000 So I doubt they even do lobotomies anymore. They were 1782 01:55:29.079 --> 01:55:30.119 out on the level. 1783 01:55:31.199 --> 01:55:34.479 Well, here's the thing about lobotomis and I'll try to 1784 01:55:34.520 --> 01:55:37.119 sum it up quick because I know we've been at 1785 01:55:37.159 --> 01:55:39.079 this for a while now, but it's all a very 1786 01:55:39.159 --> 01:55:46.399 important information. The guy that you just mentioned, Antonio Monez. 1787 01:55:48.640 --> 01:55:51.640 You ever seen a picture of him? No, he looks 1788 01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:54.239 like sloths from the Goodies. The motherfucker looks like he 1789 01:55:54.319 --> 01:55:55.720 needs a lobotomy anyway. 1790 01:55:55.880 --> 01:55:58.000 Maybe he tested it on himself first. 1791 01:55:58.119 --> 01:56:01.439 He's the originator of the botomy. But a lot of 1792 01:56:01.439 --> 01:56:05.239 people don't know this, but the procedure of the lobotomy 1793 01:56:06.079 --> 01:56:11.760 was modified and what they called championed and perfected quote 1794 01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:14.399 unquote by a dude named Walter Freeman. 1795 01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:15.880 Okay, Walter. 1796 01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:21.680 So he performed the first lobotomy at a mental hospital 1797 01:56:21.720 --> 01:56:25.439 in the United States in nineteen thirty six. Antonio was 1798 01:56:25.520 --> 01:56:31.880 performing them in Berlin and it was a completely different jure. Yeah, 1799 01:56:32.239 --> 01:56:35.199 so he got the Nobel Prize for what the work 1800 01:56:35.239 --> 01:56:38.039 he was doing in Berlin with the lobotomy that he created, 1801 01:56:38.439 --> 01:56:42.000 but it never made it to the States because Walter 1802 01:56:43.319 --> 01:56:48.840 changed it, americanized it. And that's the lobotomy that we 1803 01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:49.880 had in the States. 1804 01:56:49.960 --> 01:56:51.920 It's like what we did with sushi and pizza. 1805 01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:58.199 But so its use increased dramatically from the early nineteen 1806 01:56:58.239 --> 01:57:02.479 forties and into the nineteen fifties, and by nineteen fifty one, 1807 01:57:03.039 --> 01:57:07.279 almost twenty thousand lobotomies had been performed in the US 1808 01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:12.479 thanks to Walter, not Antonio, because we didn't use his 1809 01:57:12.680 --> 01:57:16.720 method whatsoever. And anytime you watch a movie, anytime you 1810 01:57:16.760 --> 01:57:22.399 see something in a documentary about lobotomy, it's Walter's lobotomy, 1811 01:57:22.840 --> 01:57:29.279 not Antonio's. So more lobotomies were performed on women than 1812 01:57:29.399 --> 01:57:32.760 on men, and a nineteen fifty one study found that 1813 01:57:32.840 --> 01:57:38.159 nearly sixty percent of American lobotomy patients were women. Does 1814 01:57:38.199 --> 01:57:41.039 that shock you It doesn't shock me at all. 1815 01:57:41.159 --> 01:57:45.720 Well, we all know about the old Kennedy family secret 1816 01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:50.399 that's not so secret. But JFK's younger sister, I believe 1817 01:57:50.439 --> 01:57:53.199 she was born in like forty one. You think she 1818 01:57:53.279 --> 01:57:57.039 was in her early twenties. But one thing that isn't 1819 01:57:57.159 --> 01:58:01.239 talked about a lot. I've learned recently is that when 1820 01:58:01.479 --> 01:58:06.359 her mom was giving birth to her, the doctor was 1821 01:58:06.439 --> 01:58:11.520 late or something, and the midwife told her to cross 1822 01:58:11.560 --> 01:58:14.159 her legs and the kid was. 1823 01:58:14.119 --> 01:58:17.000 Coming out oxygen deprivation. 1824 01:58:17.279 --> 01:58:20.960 So she was always a little off. But then their 1825 01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:24.439 idea was to lobottomize her, and she was bab got 1826 01:58:24.479 --> 01:58:26.920 the Walter, but she was basically one of the you know, 1827 01:58:27.039 --> 01:58:30.279 there's all sorts of results that happen. Sometimes it makes 1828 01:58:30.279 --> 01:58:33.680 the people more fucking reactive. Sometimes it vegetizes them. And 1829 01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:37.560 that's what it did to the Kennedy gal. Should I 1830 01:58:37.560 --> 01:58:39.359 look her name up we're talking about Yeah. 1831 01:58:39.760 --> 01:58:41.760 While you do that, I'm going to read a little 1832 01:58:41.800 --> 01:58:46.520 bit more about the H. Walter lobotomi. So here's a 1833 01:58:46.560 --> 01:58:50.960 little bit more about Walter. He was basically wanting to 1834 01:58:51.479 --> 01:58:56.640 simplify lobotomies so that it could be carried out by 1835 01:58:57.359 --> 01:59:03.720 psychiatrists in psychiatric hospitals where there were no operating rooms, 1836 01:59:03.960 --> 01:59:10.239 no surgeons, no anesthesia, hospitals that had limited budgets, and 1837 01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:14.039 he wanted them to still be able to perform the 1838 01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:22.159 lobotomy right because the model that Antonio suggested would require 1839 01:59:23.479 --> 01:59:31.520 operating rooms, surgeons, anesthesia, and people with some type of 1840 01:59:31.560 --> 01:59:35.960 surgical skills. Right. Walter was like, nah, fuck that we 1841 01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:38.560 should be able to do it with no anesthesia, on 1842 01:59:38.640 --> 01:59:42.239 a limited budget, with no surgeons, no operating rooms, sometimes 1843 01:59:42.279 --> 01:59:43.159 not even a doctor. 1844 01:59:43.359 --> 01:59:45.279 He did like the fast food model. 1845 01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:48.199 Yes, but that's the only one that we practiced in 1846 01:59:48.239 --> 01:59:51.239 the US. That's why the results were so fucked up. 1847 01:59:51.840 --> 02:00:00.680 So the transorbital approach involved placeding a orbito classed as 1848 02:00:00.720 --> 02:00:05.199 it's called, which was basically just a little tiny ice 1849 02:00:05.239 --> 02:00:10.520 pick in under the eyelid and against the top of 1850 02:00:10.520 --> 02:00:13.079 the eye socket, and then they would just take a 1851 02:00:13.119 --> 02:00:16.079 mallet and drive the ice pick through the thin layer 1852 02:00:16.079 --> 02:00:22.359 of bone into the brain. And Walter's transorbital lobotomy method 1853 02:00:22.920 --> 02:00:26.600 did not require a neurosurgeon, and it could be performed 1854 02:00:26.680 --> 02:00:32.439 outside the operating room, often by untrained psychiatrists, without the 1855 02:00:32.560 --> 02:00:36.520 use of anesthesia. And basically what they did instead of 1856 02:00:36.600 --> 02:00:40.239 use anesthesia is they would electroshock them into a coma 1857 02:00:41.119 --> 02:00:41.880 or a seizure. 1858 02:00:42.199 --> 02:00:44.720 So this guy's name was Walter. Yeah you think he 1859 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:48.560 ever was like, I get you a lobotomy by three o'clock. 1860 02:00:48.920 --> 02:00:51.640 That's okay, so willhelm on in here. 1861 02:00:52.079 --> 02:00:55.800 Basically he would electroshock them and then put the ice 1862 02:00:55.840 --> 02:00:59.239 pick into their eyeball, tap it with the mallet, get 1863 02:00:59.319 --> 02:01:02.600 up into the brain and just start scribbling shit around. 1864 02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:08.399 So Walter later traveled across the United States visiting mental 1865 02:01:08.439 --> 02:01:12.720 institutions and in nineteen fifty one, one of his patients 1866 02:01:12.760 --> 02:01:17.439 out at Iowa Cherokee Mental Health Institute died when he 1867 02:01:18.279 --> 02:01:24.840 stopped to take a picture during the procedure and he 1868 02:01:24.920 --> 02:01:27.600 went too far into the patient's brain and killed them. 1869 02:01:27.920 --> 02:01:30.600 But he got a great pick out of it. And 1870 02:01:31.079 --> 02:01:36.000 after four decades, Walter had personally performed possibly as many 1871 02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:39.479 as four thousand lobotomies on patients as young as four years. 1872 02:01:39.319 --> 02:01:41.439 Old Jesus four yep. 1873 02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:46.000 Why And despite the fact that he had no formal 1874 02:01:46.359 --> 02:01:52.239 surgical training, he was still able to perform four thousand lobotomies. 1875 02:01:52.720 --> 02:01:54.239 This kind needs to be in a horror movie. 1876 02:01:54.439 --> 02:01:57.239 And as many as one hundred of his patients died 1877 02:01:57.279 --> 02:02:02.119 of cerebral hemorrhage. And so he has no formal medical training. Right, 1878 02:02:04.279 --> 02:02:08.279 what's this dude's story? How is he able to do this? 1879 02:02:08.840 --> 02:02:14.359 So he comes from a family of upper echelons from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 1880 02:02:15.359 --> 02:02:21.720 He attended Yale University, not for medicine, and his grandfather 1881 02:02:21.880 --> 02:02:24.119 was some kind of a general in the Civil War. 1882 02:02:25.079 --> 02:02:30.000 And his first job was directing laboratories at Saint Elizabeth's 1883 02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:37.159 Hospital in Washington, d C. And some would think, oh, 1884 02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:41.039 nothing to see here, but I would say, it's suspicious. 1885 02:02:42.119 --> 02:02:45.720 The guy goes to Yale University and his first job 1886 02:02:45.800 --> 02:02:49.720 is in Washington, DC directing laboratories, and then he comes 1887 02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:53.439 up with this lobotomi method. He's able to perform four 1888 02:02:53.479 --> 02:02:57.359 thousand lobotomies with no medical training whatsoever. He's just killing 1889 02:02:57.399 --> 02:02:59.439 people left and right, taking selfies. 1890 02:03:00.319 --> 02:03:03.479 Yeah, and he's of it. You mentioned an upper echelon 1891 02:03:03.840 --> 02:03:10.920 family out of Philly, out of Pennsylvania, So yeah, this 1892 02:03:11.000 --> 02:03:15.039 does week of spook connections. 1893 02:03:15.560 --> 02:03:18.560 I think that they were just conducting big experiments on. 1894 02:03:18.840 --> 02:03:25.439 Well it wasn't an experimental yes, but also you're eradicating 1895 02:03:25.840 --> 02:03:30.159 a large portion of the population. Yeah, you're basically turning 1896 02:03:30.159 --> 02:03:37.479 them into useless eaters who just probably most like we 1897 02:03:37.479 --> 02:03:41.880 were talking about. Rosemary was their name, Kennedy. She was 1898 02:03:41.880 --> 02:03:45.039 lobotomized at twenty three and then was institutionalized for the 1899 02:03:45.039 --> 02:03:46.520 rest of her life. 1900 02:03:47.039 --> 02:03:52.640 But she got the Walter. Yeah, because they only performed 1901 02:03:52.760 --> 02:03:57.680 the Walter in the US, the one that the guy 1902 02:03:57.760 --> 02:04:03.640 that won the Nobel Prize, the uh what's his name, uh, 1903 02:04:04.560 --> 02:04:13.800 Antonio manz whatever. His procedure was completely different than what 1904 02:04:13.920 --> 02:04:14.840 Walter was doing. 1905 02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:17.840 So it's funny that they just shift all of it 1906 02:04:17.880 --> 02:04:18.279 to him. 1907 02:04:19.680 --> 02:04:24.279 Yeah, why isn't anybody talking about the fact that there 1908 02:04:24.319 --> 02:04:31.000 there was never one lobotomy performed using Antonio's method in 1909 02:04:31.039 --> 02:04:35.119 the US. Walter heard about it and was like, fuck 1910 02:04:35.199 --> 02:04:39.039 all that we could do this without even any anesthesia 1911 02:04:39.199 --> 02:04:41.840 or doctors in the room. Let me just put a 1912 02:04:41.880 --> 02:04:44.920 fucking ice pick in this person's eyeball, tap it a 1913 02:04:44.920 --> 02:04:49.560 couple times, and then scramble their brain. That the Walter 1914 02:04:49.720 --> 02:04:53.880 method is in all the pop culture movies when they 1915 02:04:53.920 --> 02:04:55.920 stick it in and they tap it and they get 1916 02:04:56.039 --> 02:04:57.800 up into the that's Walter. 1917 02:04:58.600 --> 02:05:00.319 Yeah, he wasn't a doctor. 1918 02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:07.960 Walter was not a fucking doctor. How is that? How 1919 02:05:08.039 --> 02:05:08.560 was that either? 1920 02:05:08.720 --> 02:05:11.199 Well? And I imagine he was going around just showing 1921 02:05:11.239 --> 02:05:15.000 everybody how to do it too. Yes, so yeah, you 1922 02:05:15.039 --> 02:05:17.279 watch one flew over the Kouka's nest, which we'll go 1923 02:05:17.399 --> 02:05:23.079 into extensively in the last episode. But yeah, it's uh, 1924 02:05:24.119 --> 02:05:29.319 it's some dark ass shit. I mean, it's basically attempted murder, 1925 02:05:29.479 --> 02:05:34.880 at at the very least on patients as young as four. 1926 02:05:35.039 --> 02:05:37.680 And I can't imagine who the fuck in their right 1927 02:05:37.720 --> 02:05:40.319 mind would hand their child over to have that done. That. 1928 02:05:40.399 --> 02:05:43.600 Those people need to be lobotomized in a very painful way. 1929 02:05:45.239 --> 02:05:49.039 I mean, if so, if they couldn't get him with 1930 02:05:49.079 --> 02:05:53.399 the lobotomy, they use those other forms of treatment that 1931 02:05:53.520 --> 02:05:59.800 you mentioned, insulin shock therapy, electroconvulsive therapy, neurolliptic drug therapy. 1932 02:06:01.239 --> 02:06:05.159 So that's gonna wrap us up for what I had 1933 02:06:05.319 --> 02:06:08.760 for part one, the Loboto Matrix. 1934 02:06:10.239 --> 02:06:13.359 Yeah, I did want to briefly go over before we 1935 02:06:13.439 --> 02:06:23.399 close out. This reporter Nellie Bly, who many of you 1936 02:06:23.439 --> 02:06:27.000 have probably heard of. Well, basically, she was an undercover 1937 02:06:27.079 --> 02:06:30.560 reporter and she got the job by pitching this story 1938 02:06:30.880 --> 02:06:35.600 to the newspaper. And she got into this institution and 1939 02:06:35.680 --> 02:06:38.279 her overall stay was ten days. But while she was 1940 02:06:38.319 --> 02:06:43.479 in there, she understood that, you know, they weren't fucking around. 1941 02:06:43.720 --> 02:06:46.479 This was like a game to her. And when she 1942 02:06:46.600 --> 02:06:48.520 kind of like tried to convince the people that she 1943 02:06:48.720 --> 02:06:52.199 was saying all of a sudden, they attributed that to 1944 02:06:52.319 --> 02:06:55.720 her being more insane, and she got stuck in this cycle. 1945 02:06:55.760 --> 02:06:59.039 And finally, after ten days, the newspaper guy came in 1946 02:06:59.079 --> 02:07:02.279 there and got her out. She wrote a book detailing 1947 02:07:02.319 --> 02:07:04.359 all of it. It kind of brought some attention to it, 1948 02:07:04.680 --> 02:07:09.039 but you know, it did keep happening for decades, and 1949 02:07:10.279 --> 02:07:12.479 I mean there's indicators that it's still happening today. 1950 02:07:12.560 --> 02:07:15.239 He's going to say, I think it's actually still happening. 1951 02:07:15.279 --> 02:07:18.840 I mean, mental institutions aren't a big thing, although Donald 1952 02:07:18.880 --> 02:07:20.600 Trump is talking about bringing them back. 1953 02:07:22.079 --> 02:07:25.600 We need worlds fairs and more mental institutions make America 1954 02:07:25.720 --> 02:07:28.680 great agains. Seeing girl interrupted. 1955 02:07:29.720 --> 02:07:31.279 I don't know if he could sit through a movie. 1956 02:07:32.640 --> 02:07:37.199 But anyway, to close the episode out, I wanted to 1957 02:07:37.239 --> 02:07:40.880 read that article about that African guy because I think 1958 02:07:40.880 --> 02:07:44.159 it's just a good wrap up of like these different 1959 02:07:44.199 --> 02:07:47.520 perspectives on mental illness and the route that Western society 1960 02:07:48.560 --> 02:07:52.279 took and has is continuing to take. And we will 1961 02:07:52.279 --> 02:07:56.840 get into more modern day mental illness and our societal 1962 02:07:56.880 --> 02:08:00.960 reaction to it, probably in the next episode. All right, 1963 02:08:01.000 --> 02:08:05.720 This is from Mad in America, written in June tenth, 1964 02:08:06.119 --> 02:08:11.079 twenty nineteen. The Shamanic view of mental illness Birth of 1965 02:08:11.119 --> 02:08:16.319 a Healer. In the Shamanic view, mental illness signals the 1966 02:08:16.319 --> 02:08:20.800 birth of a healer, explains a West African shaman Maladoma 1967 02:08:21.279 --> 02:08:26.640 patrise sommee. Thus, mental disorders are spiritual emergencies, spiritual crises 1968 02:08:26.680 --> 02:08:28.800 and need to be regarded as such to aid the 1969 02:08:28.800 --> 02:08:31.760 healer in being born with those in the West view 1970 02:08:31.800 --> 02:08:35.920 as mental illness, the Dagara people regard as good news 1971 02:08:35.920 --> 02:08:38.920 from the other world. The person going through the crisis 1972 02:08:38.920 --> 02:08:41.239 has been chosen as a medium for a message to 1973 02:08:41.279 --> 02:08:44.319 the community that needs to be communicate communicated from the 1974 02:08:44.359 --> 02:08:49.760 spirit realm. Doctor Somme comments mental disorder behavioral disorders of 1975 02:08:49.800 --> 02:08:54.279 all kinds signal effect that two obviously incompatible energies have 1976 02:08:54.399 --> 02:08:58.479 merged into the same field. These disturbances result when the 1977 02:08:58.479 --> 02:09:02.000 person does not get assistance and healing with the presence 1978 02:09:02.039 --> 02:09:04.920 of the energy from the spirit realm. One of the 1979 02:09:04.920 --> 02:09:07.439 things doctor so May encountered when he first came to 1980 02:09:07.479 --> 02:09:12.000 the United States in nineteen eighty for graduate study was 1981 02:09:12.039 --> 02:09:15.359 how this country deals with mental illness. When a fellow 1982 02:09:15.399 --> 02:09:19.359 student was sent to a mental institute due to nervous depression, 1983 02:09:20.000 --> 02:09:23.159 doctor so May went to visit him. I was so shocked. 1984 02:09:23.640 --> 02:09:25.399 That was the first time I was brought face to 1985 02:09:25.439 --> 02:09:28.960 face with what is done here to people exhibiting the 1986 02:09:29.000 --> 02:09:33.319 same symptoms I've seen seen in my village. What struck 1987 02:09:33.359 --> 02:09:36.159 doctor so Mae was that the attention given to such 1988 02:09:36.199 --> 02:09:39.479 symptoms was based on pathology on the idea that the 1989 02:09:39.520 --> 02:09:42.479 condition is something that needs to stop. This was in 1990 02:09:42.600 --> 02:09:46.119 complete opposition to the way his culture views such a situation. 1991 02:09:46.760 --> 02:09:49.680 As he looked around the stark ward at the patients, 1992 02:09:49.720 --> 02:09:53.760 some in strait jackets, some zoned out on medications, others screaming, 1993 02:09:54.159 --> 02:09:57.239 he observed to himself. So this is how the healers 1994 02:09:57.239 --> 02:09:59.920 who are attempting to be born are treated in this culture. 1995 02:10:00.159 --> 02:10:02.640 What a loss? What a loss that a person who 1996 02:10:02.720 --> 02:10:04.840 is finally being aligned with a power from the other 1997 02:10:04.880 --> 02:10:09.000 world is just being wasted. The Western culture has consistently 1998 02:10:09.039 --> 02:10:11.560 ignored the birth of the healer, states doctor. So may 1999 02:10:12.159 --> 02:10:14.680 consequently there will be a tendency from the other world 2000 02:10:14.760 --> 02:10:17.319 to keep trying as many people as possible an attempt 2001 02:10:17.399 --> 02:10:21.119 to get somebody's attention. They have to try harder. The 2002 02:10:21.159 --> 02:10:25.840 spirits are drawn to people whose senses have not been anestetized. 2003 02:10:26.239 --> 02:10:29.279 The sensitivity is pretty much read as an inventation to 2004 02:10:29.359 --> 02:10:32.560 come in. You know, those who develop so called mental 2005 02:10:32.560 --> 02:10:35.159 disorders are those who are sensitive, which is viewed in 2006 02:10:35.239 --> 02:10:41.000 Western culture is over sensitivity. Indigenous cultures don't see it 2007 02:10:41.079 --> 02:10:44.039 that way, and as a result, sensitive people don't experience 2008 02:10:44.119 --> 02:10:47.760 themselves as overly sensitive in the West. It is the 2009 02:10:47.880 --> 02:10:51.720 overload of the culture they're in that is just wrecking them, 2010 02:10:52.159 --> 02:10:56.039 observes doctor so Ma. The frenetic pace, the bombardment of 2011 02:10:56.039 --> 02:10:59.640 the senses, and the violent energy that characterize Western culture 2012 02:10:59.640 --> 02:11:05.880 can overwhelmed sensitive people with schizophrenia. There's a special receptivity 2013 02:11:06.199 --> 02:11:09.399 to a flow of images and information which cannot be controlled, 2014 02:11:09.439 --> 02:11:12.000 stated doctor so Ma. And as a side note, in 2015 02:11:12.039 --> 02:11:15.439 our culture that's only getting much worse, yes with all 2016 02:11:15.520 --> 02:11:20.239 the kids having phones and all that shit we had TV, 2017 02:11:20.319 --> 02:11:23.640 which was bad enough. When this kind of rush occurs 2018 02:11:23.680 --> 02:11:26.319 at a time that is not personally chose as chosen, 2019 02:11:26.359 --> 02:11:29.319 and particularly when it comes with images that are scary 2020 02:11:29.359 --> 02:11:33.039 and contradictory, the person goes into a frenzy. What is 2021 02:11:33.079 --> 02:11:36.520 required in this situation is first to separate the person's 2022 02:11:36.600 --> 02:11:40.439 energy from the extraneous foreign energies by using shamanic practice 2023 02:11:40.840 --> 02:11:43.399 what is known as a sweep, to clear the latter 2024 02:11:43.560 --> 02:11:47.159 out of the individual's era. With the clearing of the energy, 2025 02:11:47.199 --> 02:11:49.439 with the clearing of their energy filled, the person no 2026 02:11:49.520 --> 02:11:51.880 longer picks up a flood of information and so no 2027 02:11:51.960 --> 02:11:55.640 longer has a reason to be scared and disturb explains 2028 02:11:55.760 --> 02:11:58.880 Doctor so Ma, then it is possible to help the 2029 02:11:58.920 --> 02:12:01.199 person align with the inner energy of the spirit being 2030 02:12:01.239 --> 02:12:04.079 attempting to come through from the other world and give 2031 02:12:04.159 --> 02:12:07.279 birth to the healer. The blockage of that emergence is 2032 02:12:07.319 --> 02:12:10.479 what creates problems. The energy of the healer is a 2033 02:12:10.520 --> 02:12:14.239 high voltage energy. He observes when it is blocked, it 2034 02:12:14.359 --> 02:12:17.119 just burns up the person. It's like a short circuit. 2035 02:12:17.399 --> 02:12:20.399 Fuses are blowing. This is why it can be really scary, 2036 02:12:20.439 --> 02:12:23.119 and I understand why this culture prefers to confine these 2037 02:12:23.159 --> 02:12:26.199 people here. They are yelling and screaming and they're put 2038 02:12:26.199 --> 02:12:29.359 in a straight jacket. That's a sad image. Again, the 2039 02:12:29.399 --> 02:12:32.199 shamanic approach is to work on aligning the energy so 2040 02:12:32.279 --> 02:12:35.600 there is no blockage, fuses aren't blowing, and the person 2041 02:12:35.640 --> 02:12:38.760 can become the healer they are meant to be. It 2042 02:12:38.800 --> 02:12:40.920 needs to be noted at this point, however, that not 2043 02:12:41.159 --> 02:12:43.880 all of the spirit beings that enter a person's energetic 2044 02:12:43.920 --> 02:12:47.760 field are there for the purposes of promoting healing. There 2045 02:12:47.760 --> 02:12:51.359 are negative energies as well, which are undesirable presents in 2046 02:12:51.399 --> 02:12:54.399 the era. In those cases, the shamanic approach is to 2047 02:12:54.560 --> 02:12:57.439 remove them from the era rather than work to align 2048 02:12:57.600 --> 02:13:02.039 the discordant energies. And that kind of sounds like, oh, 2049 02:13:02.520 --> 02:13:03.479 is that the end of it? 2050 02:13:03.640 --> 02:13:06.840 Yeah, well, let me do I actually made a note 2051 02:13:06.880 --> 02:13:09.319 in my phone as you were reading that because it 2052 02:13:09.359 --> 02:13:11.359 reminded me of something else I want to talk about 2053 02:13:11.399 --> 02:13:15.520 in the next episode. But do you think, like I 2054 02:13:15.960 --> 02:13:17.880 can get on with what this guy's saying. 2055 02:13:19.159 --> 02:13:24.159 So I've always said that our fucking culture, our society. 2056 02:13:24.319 --> 02:13:27.359 He calls them sensitive people. I would just say more 2057 02:13:27.399 --> 02:13:30.279 people are just opened And so a lot of this 2058 02:13:30.319 --> 02:13:33.000 stuff does drive people that if they grew up in 2059 02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:35.319 this guy's village, they wouldn't be fucking crazy. 2060 02:13:35.399 --> 02:13:39.520 You know what supports that theory. You can take a 2061 02:13:39.600 --> 02:13:42.279 normal person like you or I. 2062 02:13:43.920 --> 02:13:45.960 In induce normal. 2063 02:13:46.159 --> 02:13:52.479 Listen, and induce psychosis with drugs. That's why I asked you, like, 2064 02:13:52.560 --> 02:13:56.680 do you think every homeless person is just schizophrenic or 2065 02:13:56.720 --> 02:14:01.119 psychopathic or whatever they're mentally ill. No, they started out 2066 02:14:01.159 --> 02:14:05.880 as a normal person and they and they opened themselves up. 2067 02:14:06.640 --> 02:14:10.319 Well, yeah, a large proportion of the homeless population does 2068 02:14:10.399 --> 02:14:12.840 fall into that. I would say it's really nuanced, but 2069 02:14:13.159 --> 02:14:14.319 that's a huge part of it. 2070 02:14:14.680 --> 02:14:18.680 But you know what, I'm saying, like, maybe, sure, some 2071 02:14:18.680 --> 02:14:23.119 some homeless people started off mentally ill and did drugs 2072 02:14:23.159 --> 02:14:26.720 and now they're worse off. But for the most part, 2073 02:14:26.760 --> 02:14:29.159 like when you see when you pass a homeless person 2074 02:14:29.159 --> 02:14:32.039 there and they're talking to themselves and they're shouting stuff 2075 02:14:32.039 --> 02:14:35.119 out and whatever, they didn't start off like that. 2076 02:14:35.359 --> 02:14:37.399 And even if they did, it would have been treated 2077 02:14:37.439 --> 02:14:40.880 differently in a different culture. It would have been nurtured 2078 02:14:40.920 --> 02:14:44.439 instead of stigmatized, you know, right, Well, that's half of 2079 02:14:44.479 --> 02:14:47.600 the problem I think here is when people are experiencing 2080 02:14:47.680 --> 02:14:52.000 something that the collective isn't experiencing, they're shunned, even if 2081 02:14:52.039 --> 02:14:54.720 they're like nurtured in a way, but they're still shunned. 2082 02:14:55.840 --> 02:14:59.119 And you're never gonna get good results with that. No, 2083 02:14:59.279 --> 02:15:00.479 I don't think it's possible. 2084 02:15:00.520 --> 02:15:04.600 You're never gonna get good results by numbing it with medication. 2085 02:15:04.840 --> 02:15:07.720 Yeah, either, yeah, you can like bury it down. And 2086 02:15:08.399 --> 02:15:10.760 then in the event where that person doesn't have access 2087 02:15:10.760 --> 02:15:12.720 to medication somehow, which could. 2088 02:15:12.600 --> 02:15:15.159 Happen, they have a psycho outbreak. 2089 02:15:15.319 --> 02:15:18.640 So yeah, you're you're now on the pharmaceutical teat for 2090 02:15:19.640 --> 02:15:23.359 effort of days or it could get ugly. I mean, 2091 02:15:23.479 --> 02:15:25.760 just look at all the medical shortages we had during 2092 02:15:25.840 --> 02:15:27.119 the COVID bullshit. 2093 02:15:28.279 --> 02:15:31.319 Well, so that's why in the next episode, I want 2094 02:15:31.319 --> 02:15:33.199 to touch on several things. I want to talk about 2095 02:15:33.239 --> 02:15:40.479 some notorious asylums. I want to talk about psychiatry now, 2096 02:15:41.119 --> 02:15:44.399 I want to talk about pharmaceuticals. And I want to 2097 02:15:44.439 --> 02:15:48.119 talk about what would this doctor so May or however 2098 02:15:48.159 --> 02:15:52.399 you pronounce his name, what doctor so May is talking about? 2099 02:15:53.359 --> 02:15:58.119 Is this world that we're living in, like we have 2100 02:15:58.279 --> 02:16:03.880 turned it into an industry. We've turned it into cogs 2101 02:16:04.000 --> 02:16:08.279 in a medical machine. It's just normal, yes, but they're 2102 02:16:09.000 --> 02:16:11.039 you're making so much money. 2103 02:16:11.359 --> 02:16:16.079 All the people you know, okay, close people, family members 2104 02:16:16.079 --> 02:16:20.119 of yours. Think of how many of them are on 2105 02:16:20.199 --> 02:16:24.039 some kind of psych medicine. A lot of them, I mean, 2106 02:16:24.079 --> 02:16:26.840 i'd say more are than aren't at this point. 2107 02:16:27.760 --> 02:16:29.119 And your family too. 2108 02:16:29.640 --> 02:16:32.120 I'm talking about my family. I'm talking about maybe some 2109 02:16:32.200 --> 02:16:35.360 of my family who isn't should probably be like you 2110 02:16:35.479 --> 02:16:38.799 never fucking know, I mean, yeah, I could glitch out 2111 02:16:38.799 --> 02:16:42.040 at sixty and fucking need some of this shit. Well, 2112 02:16:42.079 --> 02:16:43.879 I'm just saying they're there. 2113 02:16:44.639 --> 02:16:52.280 We have not addressed the underlying cause, and we throw 2114 02:16:52.559 --> 02:16:56.760 pills down people's throats. 2115 02:16:56.440 --> 02:17:00.200 By episode three, we will tell you the underlying cause. 2116 02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:02.680 I did a pretty good job. 2117 02:17:02.799 --> 02:17:05.719 That's the most help well. Like I said, I wanted 2118 02:17:05.719 --> 02:17:08.360 to interject like the transition, but I think it worked 2119 02:17:08.440 --> 02:17:10.680 better closing out the episode with it, because that kind 2120 02:17:10.680 --> 02:17:12.600 of gives a tangent that we could go off on 2121 02:17:12.719 --> 02:17:15.719 next episode, because it is his theme needs to be 2122 02:17:16.200 --> 02:17:22.159 overriding all of this, because he even talks in spiritual language. 2123 02:17:22.159 --> 02:17:26.159 But he also says it's too like contradicting energy fields, 2124 02:17:26.360 --> 02:17:29.680 and I mean all of it, all of it makes 2125 02:17:29.680 --> 02:17:34.399 sense with how I view the world way more than 2126 02:17:34.440 --> 02:17:37.920 it's oh, your serotonin levels need to be re uptake 2127 02:17:38.000 --> 02:17:42.079 inhibited or whatever. Yeah fuck yeah, yeah sure, because that 2128 02:17:42.120 --> 02:17:43.239 always works, doesn't it. 2129 02:17:43.319 --> 02:17:45.120 Yeah that Oh yeah, it works every time. 2130 02:17:45.399 --> 02:17:47.639 But you know, and maybe sometimes it does, but it's 2131 02:17:47.680 --> 02:17:49.680 not designed to I can tell you that, right. 2132 02:17:49.879 --> 02:17:53.280 Yeah, what what are we? Are we using a code 2133 02:17:53.319 --> 02:17:58.959 word for Randy Smoke? Who the guy the the shooting? No? 2134 02:17:59.479 --> 02:18:00.680 Are you putting this on YouTube? 2135 02:18:00.840 --> 02:18:04.399 No? So usually when you see school shooters and shit 2136 02:18:04.559 --> 02:18:08.799 like that, they're all on serotonin inhibitors, and. 2137 02:18:08.959 --> 02:18:13.399 Babe, it's not usually, it's always. But what I'm saying 2138 02:18:13.440 --> 02:18:16.600 is if they're never not SSRIs, some kind of behavioral 2139 02:18:16.600 --> 02:18:20.399 modification pharmaceutical drug for sure, all of them. The fucking 2140 02:18:20.639 --> 02:18:24.440 if there's a scandal with the fucking uh Columbine shooters, 2141 02:18:24.479 --> 02:18:27.319 there was a scandal with the fucking drug company that 2142 02:18:27.840 --> 02:18:29.559 at least one of those kids was on, if not 2143 02:18:29.639 --> 02:18:31.559 both of them. I know one of them was for sure. 2144 02:18:32.200 --> 02:18:37.639 So again, if that was the answer to mental illness, 2145 02:18:39.639 --> 02:18:41.360 we would have figured it out already. 2146 02:18:41.559 --> 02:18:42.840 Ship we'd all be on them. 2147 02:18:44.120 --> 02:18:48.479 But it's not. No, But yeah, so what do you 2148 02:18:48.559 --> 02:18:51.440 what do you think? It? Just final thoughts for the 2149 02:18:51.559 --> 02:18:53.000 loboto matrix segment. 2150 02:18:53.600 --> 02:18:57.520 Uh, don't go get a lobotomy, probably not unless that's 2151 02:18:57.559 --> 02:19:02.079 your thing. And uh yeah, we will definitely have a 2152 02:19:02.200 --> 02:19:04.680 juicy beginning to next episode. Some of the stuff we 2153 02:19:04.680 --> 02:19:06.840 were going to talk about before this one became almost 2154 02:19:06.840 --> 02:19:11.920 three hours long. It'll all flow together. And I mean, 2155 02:19:12.040 --> 02:19:16.159 I think these are thoughts that in our modern day world, 2156 02:19:16.719 --> 02:19:19.840 just walking up in the middle of the fucking street 2157 02:19:19.879 --> 02:19:23.440 of a city, you're going to see mental illness more 2158 02:19:23.479 --> 02:19:25.479 and more all the time. It seems to be getting 2159 02:19:25.559 --> 02:19:27.959 worse and our way of handling it. 2160 02:19:28.799 --> 02:19:31.479 And yeah, something else I want to talk about in 2161 02:19:31.520 --> 02:19:39.159 the next episode is also how the if anybody out 2162 02:19:39.159 --> 02:19:41.840 there is listening to this and their child is autistic, 2163 02:19:42.159 --> 02:19:44.920 do not take this personally. But I do feel like 2164 02:19:45.000 --> 02:19:50.319 there is a big push to normalize it some type 2165 02:19:50.319 --> 02:19:51.520 of superpower. 2166 02:19:52.040 --> 02:19:55.200 And I mean they are extraordinary people, don't get me wrong, 2167 02:19:55.239 --> 02:19:59.079 But it's not the next step in evident, it's not unless. 2168 02:19:59.319 --> 02:20:02.840 What else I I want to say is what people 2169 02:20:03.040 --> 02:20:08.280 need to understand is that this uptake in autistic children 2170 02:20:08.559 --> 02:20:12.520 is caused from the uptake in the nineties of introducing 2171 02:20:12.559 --> 02:20:15.040 a bunch of unnecessary vaccines. 2172 02:20:15.319 --> 02:20:19.959 Oh you look where you're going r f K Junior. 2173 02:20:19.959 --> 02:20:21.719 I would have a thing or two to say. 2174 02:20:22.479 --> 02:20:23.479 Do you not agree? 2175 02:20:23.559 --> 02:20:28.159 Of course I do. It's not a superpowerful And I 2176 02:20:28.239 --> 02:20:31.000 also want to say something that I don't believe that 2177 02:20:31.079 --> 02:20:36.120 the people who think this modern, this very new view 2178 02:20:36.200 --> 02:20:39.200 that maybe this autism is like a superpower and the 2179 02:20:39.280 --> 02:20:42.879 next step in human development. I would bet my bottom 2180 02:20:42.959 --> 02:20:45.879 fucking dollar that the parents of autistic kids would be 2181 02:20:45.879 --> 02:20:48.280 the first one to tell you fuck off of that 2182 02:20:49.440 --> 02:20:51.360 I have to deal with this shit every day, day 2183 02:20:51.360 --> 02:20:53.879 in and day out, and this is not a normal thing. 2184 02:20:53.959 --> 02:20:56.719 Do you think that they would admit that childhood? 2185 02:20:57.040 --> 02:20:58.639 Oh I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to 2186 02:20:58.680 --> 02:21:01.000 speak for anybody on that, but I do know people 2187 02:21:01.040 --> 02:21:03.879 who have to interact with autistic people on a daily basis, 2188 02:21:03.920 --> 02:21:06.000 and they don't look at it as an upgrade. 2189 02:21:06.239 --> 02:21:07.200 I don't look at that. 2190 02:21:07.280 --> 02:21:09.280 Oh yeah, I'm just saying when you were, like to 2191 02:21:09.360 --> 02:21:11.399 any parents out there, I would think that they would 2192 02:21:11.440 --> 02:21:14.719 agree with us. If not, medical people bomb herrass hard 2193 02:21:14.719 --> 02:21:15.959 in the comments that they're wrong. 2194 02:21:16.159 --> 02:21:18.840 Well, I just have I've met a couple recently who 2195 02:21:18.920 --> 02:21:21.399 think that it's the next step in the evolution. And 2196 02:21:21.520 --> 02:21:22.920 that's fair if they think. 2197 02:21:22.760 --> 02:21:28.319 That autistic kids, yes, okay, hey, if that's the mild. 2198 02:21:28.079 --> 02:21:30.360 Form of autism where they have like some kind of 2199 02:21:30.639 --> 02:21:34.959 voluntism like that could be considered to be like some 2200 02:21:35.040 --> 02:21:41.319 type of you know, the ability to do things that 2201 02:21:41.559 --> 02:21:44.399 the average person would struggle with. I understand you thinking 2202 02:21:44.440 --> 02:21:47.159 that could be a superpower. But just on the day 2203 02:21:47.200 --> 02:21:53.719 today autistic children have I think the rise in autistic 2204 02:21:53.799 --> 02:21:59.879 children occurred around the rise of unnecessary childhood vaccine schedules. 2205 02:22:00.399 --> 02:22:01.479 It's not I think I. 2206 02:22:01.399 --> 02:22:03.760 Think there's probably a lot of stuff contributing to it. 2207 02:22:04.079 --> 02:22:07.239 I think we're gonna talk some MK ultra next time. 2208 02:22:08.079 --> 02:22:10.719 And I think that there's a huge overlap of like 2209 02:22:12.079 --> 02:22:14.360 that guy you like to talk about in Urie Geller, 2210 02:22:15.680 --> 02:22:20.079 Oh Andrea, all these guys have a reason to push 2211 02:22:20.120 --> 02:22:26.840 this narrative. It's very pharmaceutical, it's very Golden Age technocratic. 2212 02:22:27.840 --> 02:22:32.319 It's it's very ugly. And if this ship was supposed 2213 02:22:32.360 --> 02:22:35.600 to happen as the nation the natural advancement of the 2214 02:22:35.639 --> 02:22:38.120 human society, it wouldn't have taken those measures to make 2215 02:22:38.120 --> 02:22:44.159 it happen. CIA shit, pharmaceutical shit, it wouldn't have been. 2216 02:22:44.200 --> 02:22:46.360 It wouldn't have taken that. So they're right there. Tells 2217 02:22:46.399 --> 02:22:50.280 me like anything those guys do. Yeah, they made good 2218 02:22:50.360 --> 02:22:54.319 music in la in the sixties, but other than that. 2219 02:22:54.479 --> 02:22:56.719 They can bring that back at any time. I'm so 2220 02:22:56.760 --> 02:22:59.159 sick to fucking death of this ship that they've been 2221 02:22:59.159 --> 02:22:59.680 putting out. 2222 02:23:00.120 --> 02:23:02.120 Just listen to the good stuff. The Laurel Canyon sy 2223 02:23:03.200 --> 02:23:04.159 to the good stuff. 2224 02:23:04.280 --> 02:23:07.680 But I'm just saying I could use the revival of 2225 02:23:07.719 --> 02:23:09.280 the good CIA music. 2226 02:23:09.479 --> 02:23:10.879 I'm sure they got something cooking. 2227 02:23:12.280 --> 02:23:15.840 So with that being said, I think this is a 2228 02:23:15.879 --> 02:23:21.000 good conclusion for the Loboto Matrix. Thank you for listening 2229 02:23:21.040 --> 02:23:23.920 all the way to the end. This was a longer one. 2230 02:23:24.520 --> 02:23:27.680 I hope we can bring the fire for the next episode. 2231 02:23:27.920 --> 02:23:32.040 It is going to be the Conspira Asylum Part two 2232 02:23:32.440 --> 02:23:39.840 Schizopharmiac segment. But thank you so much for listening. And 2233 02:23:40.000 --> 02:23:44.440 there is one very important, vital piece of information I 2234 02:23:44.520 --> 02:23:53.840 need you to learn just as soon as humanly possible. 2235 02:24:00.079 --> 02:24:03.959 As normal places a mot of faces. 2236 02:24:04.840 --> 02:24:07.000 I've got to live an take. 2237 02:24:06.920 --> 02:24:14.040 Mess, don't we know? Don't we know that? Ts a 2238 02:24:14.159 --> 02:24:20.000 feeling the bad loss and don't spreadshow, don't like expression 2239 02:24:21.520 --> 02:24:30.559 my lid over to dumas to go to a find 2240 02:24:30.639 --> 02:24:34.559 of fading. I found a god of side the drinking. 2241 02:24:34.559 --> 02:24:38.120 Jumped out, you know, the dad iBOT. 2242 02:24:38.159 --> 02:24:41.120 I want to tell you guys, I need to take 2243 02:24:41.639 --> 02:24:42.440 with people. 2244 02:24:42.760 --> 02:24:43.959 In circles. 2245 02:24:46.079 --> 02:25:11.280 And ready you count me down five four, three two? Hello, 2246 02:25:11.520 --> 02:25:12.520 really it just farted? 2247 02:25:14.520 --> 02:25:18.840 Heybe she did? Everybody. If this doesn't make it into 2248 02:25:18.879 --> 02:25:25.120 the outtakes, she's lost her sense of humor. Eight months pregnant. 2249 02:25:25.280 --> 02:25:27.440 I'm gonna shave your eyebrows in your sleep. 2250 02:25:28.040 --> 02:25:29.760 I look pretty good like that. I looked like a 2251 02:25:29.799 --> 02:25:31.879 guy from a pink floor. You look like a chemo. 2252 02:25:32.760 --> 02:25:33.040 Hush,