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Speaker 1: We're all owned by the Syndicate Body and Soul or

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should I just say bunny?

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Speaker 2: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Filthy movie lovers, Something Weirdos and Anti Criterion rose to

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the twenty third episode of The Sin Syndicate, the only

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podcast that knows to never take a holiday in East

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Europe and that no bacchanal is complete without a rat show.

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My name is Gentry Austen, writer and researcher, and I'm

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here with my co host, adult film historian Casey Scott.

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And in today's episode, we will be continuing and concluding

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our herodic Halloween series with a brief visit to see

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the Countess and her sick friends in Zulton. G Spencer's

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sexploitation horror film nineteen seventy one's Terror at orgy.

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Speaker 1: Castle satur nine brings a new dimension to the adult

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film Terror at orgy Castle. You will follow American tourists

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Lisa and Bill as their European holiday turns into a

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nightmare of horror and perversion. You will join the midnight

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orgy of the Strange Ones in Terror at orgy Castle.

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You will spy on the bizarre sex rights of the

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Countess Dominova. In Terror at Orgie Castle. You will witness

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forbidden scenes of witchcraft and black magic in Terror at

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org Castle.

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Speaker 3: But first a few news items and updates. I think

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it's best to start with the AGFA Herschel Gordon Lewis

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kickstarter that recently launched. This has kind of turned into

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like this exploitation news update hour, hasn't it. But that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I think that's great. I think it's great.

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Speaker 3: Who else is doing that, right?

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Speaker 2: Nobody? Yeah, it's great. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the Herschel Gordon Lewis kickstarter has begun, and there

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has been a little bit of confusion. I know we

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talked about it internally, but I've also gotten some messages

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from people and seen some comments as well regarding sort

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of the rewards and what is being funded. So maybe

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we can kind of help clarify that, because I think

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it's best to look at it as your funding the

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equipment needed to restore these films.

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Speaker 2: Sort of. I mean, I'm confused. I need to read

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the description of that. In terms of equipment. They have

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a scanner, so if they're trying to get a new scanner,

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I don't understand that. If it's like if it's you know,

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shopkeeping stuff or you know, housekeeping stuff or whatever. In

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terms of I don't know, archiving the materials or something.

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I mean, they're currently they have a scanner that they're

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using on the regular, so I'm not sure. And I

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think it was a forest cake scanner that they bought

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if I was If I'm not correct, So I think

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it's an important project. I need to uh, I need

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to figure out how much I'm donating. But yeah, they

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did a fundraiser similar to this in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Which I mean was a while ago. That's, you know.

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Speaker 2: Sure, but I mean Vinology using the same scanner that

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they also got from a fundraiser that was like over

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a decade ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they've updated their machine because they don't

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need to, at least far as I know.

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Speaker 3: I think the confusion arises because I think people are

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used to, you know, you fund something, then you get

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something back, like a movie. In this case, you're not

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necessarily getting a movie back for your funding. There are

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other tier rewards offered, but you're helping to you're helping

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ACVA move forward in their restoration process. And I think

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there was also I had some messages like well, AGVA

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acts like nothing of Herschel's has been restored yet, like

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Aero did the huge the Herschel box set, and this

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is films that were not included mostly in that box set,

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plus ones that were but their UHD upgrades. So this

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is something very different than what Aero put out.

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Speaker 2: Right, I need to well, you know the interesting thing

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about that aerowbox set. I should have checked that was

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they have details about what their restoration process was for

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each of those movies, Like they'll tell you if they

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use the original negative, they'll tell you what they scanned

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it in two K four K, So four K might

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exist on some of these already, and it's just they

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don't have access to those scans because I mean maybe

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tough for them to offer like physical copies of these

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because they don't have like a schedule for all this stuff,

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so they don't know what the plans are for the reason. Yeah, yeah,

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like an idea of what they're going to do rather

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than anything tangible right now, which I think is a

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tough sell. But I think there's there should be enough

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people that are excited about this stuff. There's enough hercional

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fans qucially in the horror community that I think you

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a little less than a month, okay, Yeah, but I'm

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excited about the list that they have because you know,

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they're given some love to the new dqts, which hopefully

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they can pull some color off those negatives that they have.

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Speaker 2: Right well, features playmates. I think the negative was incomplete

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on that. Yeah, and they had to use they had

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so that one might be tough. But yeah, obviously I'd

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love to see all of them so I can ditch

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Speaker 3: That would be great and miss nimphit zappen. Give us

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a call. Casey and I are super fans, the only

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fans of that film.

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Speaker 2: It's just us and Marshall christ I believe, right, Yeah,

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I like that movie. I people need to around on it. Yes,

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I agree, But yeah, it's like just turn That's like

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we talked about this, Just turn your brain off. Turn

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your brain off with that. It's just sexy, stupid fun yes,

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with a lot of really familiar exploitation people obviously having.

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Speaker 3: A many yes. Yeah, so up on our list. Next,

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we've got a couple birthdays, tell us Casey.

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Speaker 2: We have one birthday, well, one from New York, one

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for New York, and one for California. Peggy saw No

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turns eighty seven today on the day we're recording this,

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October eleventh, Peggy Love Peggy, one of our patrons saints obviously,

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and then Renee Bonds Rest in Peace. Today is her

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birthday as well, And that's kind of interesting. But I

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didn't know they had the same birthday until I was

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just digging around today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they never really crossed pass, did they.

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Speaker 2: No, there was never any Yeah, no, because she was

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always because Renee was always California, even when she made

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her come back in the seventies, and Joe never really

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went out to California, No, so, and she never went

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to New York like a bunch of other people did,

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because that didn't start until considerably later when she wasn't

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Speaker 3: How old would Renee have been? Did you do the math?

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Speaker 2: She was born in nineteen fifty, so she would have

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been what is that seventy five? Yeah, she would have

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been seventy five today.

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Speaker 3: But not least Yeah. We got a comment from a

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listener that I wanted to talk to you briefly about.

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His comment was kind of about how we had talked

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about Vinegar Syndrome kind of moving a little bit away

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from softcore exploitation, and there's been a lot of meluc

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it is he's trying to prioritize those hardcore films, like

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purchasing those and supporting those because of the current kind

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of state that the country is in right now regarding

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censorship and pornography. And it was kind of something I

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hadn't thought about, which is, what if, you know, this

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censorship gets stronger and to the point where these companies

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aren't even able to release these through home video. I

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hadn't really thought about that. Is that something that you

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see as a possibility or.

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Speaker 2: That no, that doesn't because I mean, they already had

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to move over to a separate website because of a

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credit card process. Are saying they weren't going to they

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weren't gonna accept their business unless they stop selling sex movies.

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current administration. This was several years ago now at this point.

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with sex films. They're going to continue to release sex films.

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Gordon Lewis release had soft and hard on it, I think.

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software stuff, which is great. It's just my frustration is

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that their stuff that they got years ago that is

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just sitting there, and the software stuff they're releasing is not.

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It's kind of they're kind of new, newer acquisitions. Meanwhile

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this stuff is sitting there. That's mostly my concern. It's like, well,

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finish what you started. You you got this stuff. Why

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did you get this stuff if you're not going to

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do anything with it, don't do something with what you

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else with another library, you know. I mean, yeah, I

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target of conservatives is the sex business. Because I mean,

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that are Republican, that are a Zionists, and so I'm

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just like, yeah, I keep forgetting that there is a

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threat there because there are people in the industry that

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like actively endorse this administration. So sure, Yeah, their memories

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is short because the eighties were not fun and then

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the nineties were not fun. So yeah, it's not something

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the industry that I guess will change their mind once

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they realize that they're going to be targeted. Yeah, I

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not going to do them anymore at all, because then

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is this too you know, where it gets to the

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point where they're like they're tired of jumping through hoops

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to make this happen, like switching credit card providers and

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you know, yeah, they just make it such a headache

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some business. They're just like it's not worth it.

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Speaker 2: You know, right when eBay used to sell adult stuff

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ape shit, it's like, well it secks now. So I

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think it's something that we've always had to deal with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I always see that

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on online forms where people are like, how do I

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resell my you know, my adult movies?

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Speaker 2: Where do I go? I have huge piles of stuff.

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I'm like, I don't know how to get rid of

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this one. You would even have craigslists where you could

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because it's still around barely, but it's you know, it's yeah,

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to talk to Mark Murray about that. Actually, Mark Murray

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is the guy at ultra flush archives, and he's doing

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restorations of like eight millimeter loops because that's something Vinegar

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and I just don't know where he's getting I'm sure

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he has his ways or people reaching out to him.

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then I need to find those people and upload some

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of this stuff. There's a lot of stuff that I

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don't need anymore, don't want anymore. Somebody does, though, I

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don't want to throw it away. Actually, if anyone's listening,

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I should make a list and just make it available.

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Speaker 1: I was about to witness the most bizarre site I

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have ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 3: What are we? What have we got here? So if

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we put some clips up, we Casey wanted to throw

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on some drag attire today. I dug through all my beans.

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I couldnot find anything, not a single wig, not a

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single mask. I am the most boring white boy live.

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Bowser Onesie I could throw on. I think that's great,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's Halloween. It's like just do a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we can throw this up there. What's your

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drag name, Casey, do you have one?

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Speaker 2: What is this character Fay Hummer? Because and actually I

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took that from the name of a oh I actually

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won't say that on the internet. Okay, I took it

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from the name of a deceased person, but put it

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that way, and I was like, that's a real name. Okay,

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nothing no puns really well, Hummer is a pun, yeah,

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or not a pun. It's just a reference to oral sex.

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and Rose, all the Golden Girls really yeah anymore? Yeah,

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old women names, Agnes, Yeah, those kind of names. Shirley Edwards, Shirley.

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Speaker 3: So I when I was thinking about this movie after

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rewatching it, I was like, well, is this going to

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is this going to be a short episode? But you know,

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looking at our notes again, I'm like, well, there's always

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a lot to dig into. It's surprisingly a large amount

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of interesting backstory to even the most innocuous, stupid little

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horror s exploitation movie. So let's get into it. Well,

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first of all, this is streaming on cult Picks, and

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this might be something we can actually talk about because

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what's the license.

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Speaker 2: In satire Satire nine production? So okay, it's in. It's

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in the Many Coonde Library and it's in the Manicondi Library.

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It was not a Many Condy production. I think people

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added his name all over us saying he produced these movies.

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He collaborated with Zoltan Spencer on these movies, but I

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think the financing was coming from Zultan. I mean, he

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had a very successful career in industrial film. Manny was

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involved technically and and you know, involved in helping them

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put it to put together. But I'm not even finding

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any evidence he actually distributed them. I think he purchased

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them from Crilly before he died, and you know, was

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in charge of redistributing them, like they showed up on

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vhs before something weird a few of them. So yeah,

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they are on the Many Coonde library, but they are

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not Many Condy productions technically.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was part of the Frank hen Latter

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Sexy Shockers series. There are. Yeah, Frank has on the

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VHS for that. There's quite a florid description. But maybe

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Speaker 2: M hmm?

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Speaker 3: Sure the synopsis is not the smartest couple in the world.

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Bill and Lisa spend the last night of their swinging

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European vacation at the haunted castle of Spooky Countess domin Nova,

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just in time for Bill to make love to a succubus,

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Lisa to become the bride of the devil, and everyone

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to wallow in some serious terror at Orgy Castle. That's

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pretty much it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Frank in his synopsis, notes that this was shot on

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the same castle set as Blood of Dracula's Castle Gallery

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Horrors an invitation to Ruin, and I don't know what

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that set was. It could have been a David Hewitt set, possibly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, that that stairs looks familiar

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Speaker 2: Movie, right, So it's an often used production facility somewhere

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in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there's Saturn nine. Is everything, I mean, it's pretty

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much everything that Zoltan put out has that production name

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on it. Correct. Is there any that weren't Saturda.

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Speaker 2: Night The only one that wasn't was All the Way

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Down was not. That was his first film that he did,

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and that was a collaboration with Edge Priest and Paul Hunt.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, what's the history. I wonder why he chose

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that name. I mean it fits because a lot of

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his output is kind of horror themed or kind of

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yeah esoterica. Yeah, an interesting name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know I have any info on where

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he got that name from. But Spence is Spencer is

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his real middle name, So that's real, and he is

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his actual initial to his actual first name, which is George.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about Zoltan because he's uh, he's

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got something guy backed some interesting background. Where do we start? Yeah, well, first.

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Speaker 2: Of all, yeah, I start the beginning. Yeah, so he

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was born Yeah, I mean he was born nineteen twenty

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four in Chicago, Illinois. Though, so I commune. I was

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communicating with his niece Adrian for a couple of years,

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and she really was helpful for providing some information and

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some photos of him over the years. She says he

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was born nineteen twenty three, so that year might be

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more accurate. Okay, So he initially went to USC for journalism,

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and he was involved with the Wampus Humor magazine there,

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and he was involved with the humor magazine because he

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had a background as a magician and a comedian, so

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he would he performed like the Magic Castle in Hollywood, like,

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so he would mix comedy in humor into his magic acts.

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in front of an audience, and so he kind of

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brought that to his background in journalism because the Wampus

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magazine is the USC humor magazine, or at least it was.

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I don't know if it's sell around anymore. But then

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he transferred to UCLA and he was actually one of

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the first graduates of their new film program. So as

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to search the actual UCLA archives to see if they

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have any information about like a student film of his

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or anything that he did. But before he graduated, he

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actually was found a gig in Canada, of all places.

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film called No Barriers, which is a film for a

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company called Vancouver Motion Pictures, and that was sometime in

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the late forties early fifties, and then he eventually moved

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and relocated to Calgary in nineteen fifty five, and he

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was Calgary for a little over a decade and produced

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seventy films while he lived there, and they were really

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all industrial and documentary films. Yeah, and he won two

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Canadian Film Awards while he was while he was there,

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for he won Best Traveling Recreation Film in nineteen fifty

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eight for a movie called Stampede Stopover, and then he

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won Best Public Relations Film for a movie called Arctic

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Island Wildcat, which was about a company, the Peter Boden

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Drilling Company and they're drilling in the Arctic. So he

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had he initially had one production company that was called

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Master Film Studios and then eventually he just changed it

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to the much more simple Spence Crilly Motion Picture Productions.

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house cameraman, you know, he had. I don't know when

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this company closed, and I don't know if he kept

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it open when he relocated back to the state. So

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I'm trying to find that information.

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Speaker 3: But so another guy that started out in industrial films,

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right man.

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Speaker 2: It's another Chucks, It's another Yeah, it's yeah, a lot

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of these I mean it's a really good stopping ground.

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I mean, Herschel, Gordon and Lewis started in industrial films. Yeah,

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a lot of major people started industrial films. So he

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also made like travelog films as part of this. So

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he eventually found a successful kind of business going on

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the lecture circuit. So he would show up with movies

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of location footage that he shot in different countries, like

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for example, he went to Budapest, Copenhagen and footage from

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the Copenhagen movie is in Danish and Blue Athens in

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the Islands, Warsaw Today or just a few of those examples,

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and he would try he kept traveling around the country

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when he wasn't shooting movies in Los Angeles and would

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show up and do like lectures about travel and the

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different places he which film. I found evidence of been

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doing that as late as nineteen seventy two, So like

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he kept doing that and he was very successful doing it.

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Speaker 3: Well, that makes sense because hands a pleasure. There's all

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that London footage.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he shot a movie called London or London,

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which that's that footage is from there. That's why it

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doesn't look like stock footage. You know that the stock

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is pretty much the same. You can't tell it doesn't

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look like stock footage he bought. It's the same type

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of film that he shot hand a pleasure on and

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I think this one as well. All the castle footage

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exterior is likely all from a castle that he shot

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in Europe somewhere. Yeah, it might have even been like

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Budapest or someplace in Hungary in eastern Europe. And then

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he came back and was like, yeah, let's let's let's

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shove this into this movie to give make it look

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like this was actually shot overseas, right, So he actually

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enters exploitation through his brother in law, which is very

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interesting because his brother in law was Don Brown. So

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Don Brown, like Ron Garcia who we talked about, started

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out in surfing films or no, I'm sorry, like Paul Hunt.

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sixties and that's how he and Edd Priest met and

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then they both formed Canyon Films in the late sixties.

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So through Don Brown and his surfing film experience with

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the Priest and Hunt, Spence kind of fell into the

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into this exploitation business and did this movie called All

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the Way Down, which is terrible, but it's Pat Barrington.

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So if people want to see Pat Barrington again, he did.

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I think he did three films with her. Yeah, she

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was like a go to person. Don Brown is interesting

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because then he went on to become Bob Vossi, which

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I think most people know him now because he did

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a lot of the He did a lot of sweetish

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erotica loops. He did Debbie Do's Dishes, which is great,

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and so he was in expetation for a while through

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Edd Priest and Paul Hunt as well. So that was

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so all the way down was dial for Films, so

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that was handled by Canyon Films, and so was his

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second film, which is The Tropic of Scorpio and Tropic

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of Scorpio which is lost is working at Manny Condy

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because Manny Condy was the camera operator on that. So

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something must have clicked between these two because after the

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Canyon Films experience with Edd to Priest and Paul Hunt,

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he and Manny split off to do to do the

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Saturn nine productions. So The Satanist was the first Saturn

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nine production and that was lost forever until it was

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just recently found by I believe Garaje Haas films. Harry

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Garrow would Exhume films I believe and came out on

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Blu Ray, which is now out of print, but that

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was distributed by a Limbing International, so that actually got

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really good bookings because Cressy could get you know, even

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the cheapest looking crap into like the Pussycat Theaters and

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other major bookings because Cressy had good connections from there. Though.

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The Saturn nine films, all the rest of Spencer's films

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are Saturn nine films, so like Sisters and Leathers, Screen

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Test Girls, Danish and Blue Trot, org Castle and Hand

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of Pleasure, so all of those are ones that he

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made with Many Conde doing cinematography and probably editing as well,

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because Manny had editing suites at his production facility. So yeah,

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he for some reason stopped working after hand a pleasure

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he stopped doing. He stopped making sex movies after hand

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a pleasure. He stayed in touch with many. He still

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stayed in touch with many Condy. He was in the

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Dictator before he died. He developed a brain tumor and

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died in nineteen seventy six in Los Angeles, very you know,

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quite young. So he died before there was any kind

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of rediscovery of his work, before anybody could even connect

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that Sultan Spencer and Spence Curly were the same person

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anywhere like it. I'm trying to remember how that came

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out that they were the same person. Probably an interviewed

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with Kressy or somebody who worked with him, maybe many CONDI.

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Speaker 3: Yes, seventy six. Yeah, he long before any of this

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stuff was re seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's like forty two forty three when he died.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he appears a way older though. Yeah, he

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appears in a few of his movies, sometimes behind a

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mask but sometimes not.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Actually, I did the math wrong. Fifty three okay,

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because he's born in nineteen twenty, so he died in

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nineteen seventy six. So yeah, he was like fifty three,

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fifty four, fifty two to fifty three years old. Yeah,

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he's hand a pleasure with a mask. Is the bad guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder. I don't know how brain tumors work.

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I feel like a lot of times it comes on

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kind of suddenly. But I wonder if the effects of

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his brain tumor, you know, he was feeling them a

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lot earlier, and that's why he just he was done

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and you know, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know after he's in The Dictator, which was

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shot seventy six, came out in seventy seven. Oh yeah,

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so yeah still so I mean a brain tumor is

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also I mean it also I think it's cancerous. So

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it probably took a while. Yeah, they might have. I

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don't know if it was detected early. I don't know

472
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,400
if it was detected late. That's something I haven't really

473
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,960
talked to to his niece about that much.

474
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

475
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: Well, something yeah that really jumps off the screen with

476
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,799
Zoltan for me is that, Yeah, that magic background and

477
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:16,200
the performing background. And in a few of the films,

478
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:20,240
I think that the humor comes through, especially with Hands

479
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,200
of Pleasure. I think the humor is more apparent than

480
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,480
that than some of the more horror themed ones like

481
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,880
this one. There's not I mean, there's a little humor.

482
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,480
I don't know how much it's intentional or unintentional.

483
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,559
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think it's intentional. Yeah, and Danish

484
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,079
and Blue has like some little humor. Screen Test Girls

485
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,039
has humor. This is a New Leather doesn't, and All

486
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:42,079
the way down doesn't. So yeah, I feel like he's

487
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,160
at least trying to have fun with these movies that

488
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,599
he's clearly just making for profit. There's nothing that I

489
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:49,880
can see that's like personal or passionate about this. They're

490
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,400
all very like, they're very similar to Mayhon that the

491
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,519
camera's just like set up, yeah, and the film runs

492
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,000
through the camera, which is also surprising for many Conedy

493
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,079
because many Conty was a good photographer. So I think

494
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,200
for both of them, we're just like, let's just make

495
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,599
these super quick, yeah, and we can turn a profit

496
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,160
really quick.

497
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:09,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

498
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,559
Speaker 3: Hearing about his background doing sort of nature and industrial

499
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:18,200
films and in Canada, I'd be curious to see those,

500
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,279
just to see how they're directed, how the camera is

501
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,160
set up, because again, I mean those are sometimes static

502
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,880
as well, but a lot of times there is a

503
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,839
little bit more movement. But yeah, these are his films

504
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:35,640
for Saturn nine. Are they're not visually too exciting?

505
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, I don't. They're very very challenging

506
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:46,559
to get through. If you're in if there's in a

507
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:48,559
frame of mind where you want things to happen, you're

508
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:49,680
going to be very frustrated.

509
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,359
Speaker 3: Yes, But I do like how they is that diplomatic

510
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,839
enough yes, that is, but again like revisiting them again

511
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,200
this week, it's I do like how they do feel

512
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,480
again like a sort of a shared universe of you know,

513
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:09,319
we joked about seeing that what's.

514
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: The Cross that you called it the uh Andrew's Cross.

515
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,079
Speaker 3: Yes, St Andrew's Cross appears in three films at least,

516
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:21,799
and there's the Pat Barrington connection where she is kind

517
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:25,440
of his his go to girl, and I think that

518
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:29,400
he shoots her fairly well in some of these. I know,

519
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:31,200
in Satan and Satanist.

520
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: I really like.

521
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:35,319
Speaker 3: Pat Barrington in that one. I think it might be

522
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,240
one of my favorite Pat Barrenton roles. Actually interesting.

523
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,599
Speaker 2: But yeah, or anything about that. I mean, I I

524
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,599
got rid of that Blu ray a while ago because

525
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,079
I was just like, I will never revisit this, even

526
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,480
the Sisters well, and I kind of mean we needed

527
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:53,119
again for Sisters and Leather, which was a bonus feature

528
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:56,480
on that. Yeah, Sisters and Leather, I prefer I think

529
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,640
Sisters and Leather is probably his most enjoyable movie now

530
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,480
that I think about it.

531
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it's the most If I was

532
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,400
gonna recommend one if somebody, yeah, exactly. But I know

533
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,000
when we were talking about discussing this. Was it you

534
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,720
or Alex that was like, Yeah, if you're going to

535
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:16,359
pick one horror movie from Zoltan, you should do Tarot

536
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,519
Orgie Castle because Satanists is it mostly takes place in

537
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,960
like apartment looking rooms, not like an actual castle. But

538
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,880
now that I've watched them both again, I kind of

539
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,680
like the Satanist better.

540
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: But interesting. Yes, I don't remember anything about the Satanists.

541
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:40,119
I gave it two stars, which is dreadful. Yeah, I mean,

542
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,880
it's just that's what I gave for love is a

543
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,440
for a letter word. It's like it's fine, Like it's not.

544
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,759
It's nothing that I would ever watch again. It's more

545
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:49,000
or less when I got rid of it.

546
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, a suburban Satanist gothic, whereas Tarot Orgy Castle is like, yeah,

547
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,240
you can put this on at the background of your

548
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,079
Halloween party and it will do a good job of

549
00:30:59,119 --> 00:30:59,720
setting the mood.

550
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:04,359
Speaker 2: I think probably. I mean also reminds me of like, uh,

551
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,400
I don't know, I need to I need to look

552
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,519
at what the release history was for requand for a

553
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:12,799
Vampire when I came out here as cage versions. But

554
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:15,799
it does remind me of that kind of like, you know,

555
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,440
that kind of atmosphere of like a genre la film

556
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,519
in an old spooky castle. I mean, there are obviously

557
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,480
a lot of Gothic imports from like Italy and even

558
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:28,240
Germany and France. Around that time.

559
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: I'd read of ancient witches luring a young couple to

560
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:37,240
their black rights and defiling the woman before the helpless

561
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:43,400
eyes of our man. We were modern victims of this

562
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,799
medieval torment.

563
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: Did you say how you became friends with Adrian his niece?

564
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,440
Was it just through a random message?

565
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember who it was through, because I

566
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,119
didn't know. I wasn't researching him for anything, because I

567
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,559
was not. I I'm not a I'm not a huge

568
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,880
fan of his work. I find his work, I find

569
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,079
his story interesting. I don't find the films that interesting.

570
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:17,960
I'd like to see what else he did outside of

571
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,160
this genre. I'm trying to remember. I might have been

572
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,559
put in touch with her by George Reese, my former

573
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,480
editor at DVD drive in maybe or Steven o'tero, who's

574
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:29,559
another guy who was doing his lot to do lots

575
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:33,240
of research and does you know different things on IMDb

576
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:36,000
and stuff. I don't remember. It's been like a decade

577
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,319
since I wasn't put in touch with her.

578
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,319
Speaker 3: Okay, well, before we move on to like some of

579
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:45,720
the performers. So what you can remember of the Zoltan filmography,

580
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,200
how would you rank them? Let's let's do a little

581
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,440
rank putting you on the spot.

582
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:56,799
Speaker 2: No, the first would definitely be Sisters and Leather and

583
00:32:56,839 --> 00:33:01,319
then hand a Pleasure, then terratorg Castle in Danish and

584
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,279
Blue Uh, the Satanist and all the way down, and

585
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:06,839
then screen test Girls at the bottom.

586
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,799
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, tell me about screen Test Girls. I haven't

587
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:11,160
been able to see that one yet.

588
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: It's so bad. It's just it's just a bunch. It's

589
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,000
just two cute girls that come into interview to get

590
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:19,200
into movies, and it's just putting them into different scenarios.

591
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: It's a sleazy producer movie. It's one of those.

592
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not interesting. It's just it's there's no

593
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,119
there's no there's no drive to it, there's no characterization.

594
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:31,640
It's just kind of like, Okay, we're gonna put you

595
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,119
in this mood, this scene as a screen test on

596
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,720
a couch, and then you're gonna roll our naked Okay,

597
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,200
we're gonna put you in the screen test on a

598
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,039
bed with a guy, and then I'm gonna put send

599
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,119
my secretary in to have sex with the guys so

600
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,000
you can watch her and learn lessons. Okay, I'm gonna

601
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000
put you two the girls together now as your last

602
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,039
as your last screen test. It's just a bunch of

603
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:54,799
screen tests. Yeah, and it's boring. Why not good?

604
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,599
Speaker 3: Why is there a gorilla in on the image from

605
00:33:58,599 --> 00:33:59,160
something weird?

606
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: Because one of the auditions is she gets she gets

607
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,160
chained up, and a guy in a gorilla suit, like

608
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,920
you know, mauls her. And that's not even interesting. It's

609
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,880
not the bride and the beasts. It's not. Yeah, it's

610
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,880
not it's not fun or interesting. So I would put that.

611
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,719
And the girls aren't that great. One of them is Mary.

612
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:20,119
I think it's Mary Jane Shippin. He's a few other things.

613
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,639
Philip single, who I love is the barb is the secretary.

614
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,440
She's fine, but she's clearly just like whatever, let's get

615
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,119
this over with. You know. You know, Zoltan appears with

616
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,119
his back to the camera the whole time, and that's it, Like,

617
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,159
there's nothing else exciting about it. That's why, at least

618
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,239
all the way down has Pat Barrington going for it,

619
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,119
so there's some visual appeal. That's why screen Test Girls

620
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,599
is the rock bottom worst. It's just so okay, Yeah,

621
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,320
it's a total waste of time. Yeah.

622
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 3: And Danish and Blue has Suzanne Fields.

623
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,639
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's a very good role for her. Yes.

624
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,840
And William Howard, who's the star and this is the

625
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,920
star and that he's the guys that goes to well,

626
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,320
and it's interesting. That one is interesting because the first

627
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,960
scene is an exotic dancer, this beautiful black exotic dancer

628
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,079
who is then revealed to be a man, and that's

629
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:14,360
the very first scene. But the revelation that it's a

630
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,199
man is not the punchline. The dance continues to go

631
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,320
on with this gender bending in a sexual way. It's

632
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,719
not like, oh, she's a man, Oh no, what are

633
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,960
we gonna do? Even the narration it's kind of like,

634
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,239
oh wow. I mean, I'm still watching this performance and

635
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,760
I'm st really turned on by him or her or whatever,

636
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,119
and it's just like, Okay, this is the scene. Know

637
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,519
your audience. I don't know how an audience would react

638
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,440
to that, but there is a lot of interesting gender stuff.

639
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,039
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that well, and.

640
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was. I don't know if

641
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,679
I has had aosexual or gay, I don't know. I

642
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:56,000
don't know. He died way early. Not married doesn't mean

643
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,159
anything because well prost at least had a daughter. Not

644
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,400
married is is not indicator of anything. But yeah, I

645
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,960
don't know, I don't know.

646
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of transformations.

647
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: From Taron has the count just turning into account for

648
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,760
no reason.

649
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,519
Speaker 3: Like yep, it's usually female to Mayle too.

650
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:22,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very it's very interesting. There's a gay editor

651
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,440
in screen test Girls that one of the girls tries

652
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,960
to seduce and it doesn't work. Yeah, Christs and others

653
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,280
is lesbians. H Yeah, it's just it's interesting. It's very interesting.

654
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: Well, and William Howard the way he films him too,

655
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,960
it's see like I don't.

656
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,559
Speaker 2: Know, have a scene where William Howard, in his tidy

657
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:46,440
whities and hind of pleasure, has to like lolk him down,

658
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,800
I know, and it's kind of like, Okay, was this

659
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,800
your Is this your man? The guy you were into?

660
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:57,920
You gave him three pretty good starring roles.

661
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 3: In all with full frontal correct.

662
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: Yes, so it's very interesting. He gotta last onto this guy.

663
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,639
In particular, and gave him these three roles and centered

664
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:15,119
three movies around him essentially.

665
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:19,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

666
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:25,079
Speaker 3: Let so let's talk about William Howard because yeah he is. Yeah,

667
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,000
if experience is like the female star of the Sultan movies,

668
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,599
William Howard is kind of the male star.

669
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

670
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: He was in three of them. Yeah, so.

671
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: Terrible. I mean, I've never liked him because as someone

672
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,679
who has had to watch tons of really shitty early

673
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,559
hardcore movies, he's in so many of them, and he's

674
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:49,119
bad in all of them. So I don't find him

675
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:53,000
magnetically compelling at all, even in these Zultan Spencer movies.

676
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,199
So I'm kind of like Spence, I don't get it,

677
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,360
but you know whatever, I mean, there were more active

678
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,599
guys at that time that he probably could have cast better.

679
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, maybe he's just not your type because I

680
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,559
think he's like a very stereotypically like good looking guy

681
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,559
to most people. I don't know, just.

682
00:38:14,519 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: Like I mean, Gene Rowland is around at this time,

683
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:19,000
Gerard Burard is around at this time, Like if you

684
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:22,400
wanted like a handsome brunette, they're way better. He could

685
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,800
have gone with them, and they were also doing a

686
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,280
lot of work around that time. So but then so

687
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,639
was he. William Howard keeps showing up in these things,

688
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,559
and he's always bad and he he's not a good

689
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:36,760
sexual performer either in the hardcore stuff.

690
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,559
Speaker 3: So even in this this softcore stuff, like they're always

691
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:44,079
like he's zooming in on his like O face. It's

692
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:46,280
like all these movies, I feel like I've seen his

693
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,360
old face like more times than I need to, or

694
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,119
his fake O face whatever.

695
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, well, I mean I've seen his real

696
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,800
O face too. It's not it's the same face.

697
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's so funny.

698
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, two good movies. And there it's Diary of My

699
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:05,159
Secret Life, which is great, which is kind of like

700
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:08,480
a period piece, which is shockingly good considering it's a

701
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,760
pretty low budget. And that Love Secrets of the Kama Sutra.

702
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,599
Uh he is, Oh, who is his sex scene within that?

703
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:18,159
It might be Kathy Hilton, I think, oh, okay, yeah,

704
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,119
but those are the only two I would ever recommend

705
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:24,599
for William Howard because he's not that in Diary of

706
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:25,480
My Secret Life.

707
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, he was one of those actors that made

708
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,159
that transition no problem, I guess, from soft to hard.

709
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:34,360
I mean, and you can see it in some of

710
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,280
these old Tan movies, like He's they're going pretty far

711
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,719
with it as far as they could, playing with angles

712
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,920
and I don't know, there's a few scenes in Hand

713
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,400
of Pleasure which are really close, really cool.

714
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: That's true with Terry Johnson.

715
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Terry, him and Terry Johnson just like fucking

716
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:56,000
like rabbits in that movie. I think it's like.

717
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: Part of the like, Okay, can we get back to

718
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,400
what's going on? Right? Well, that's another thing. And then

719
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,719
he's in Dragon.

720
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 3: That Oh yeah he's got that.

721
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I'm just like Spence Spence has

722
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,679
I'd like to know more, you know, I'd like to

723
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:16,639
know more about Spence than when his proclivities were.

724
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 3: Well that's the niece.

725
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: About that, I think. So he's very open. I just

726
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,360
the thing is, I don't know if she would know.

727
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:27,480
You know, she was young when he died, so I

728
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:27,760
don't know.

729
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 3: Well, so yeah, that's William. What's what else is there

730
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,559
to say? He's uh, he's terrible.

731
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 2: That's enough.

732
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 3: But Bamby Allen, can we agree that we.

733
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: Like great love? Bamby Allen? Rest in Peace? Very early

734
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:49,000
victim of silicone implants leading to cancer, and she actually

735
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:53,000
got got a got a funeral services notice in Box

736
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:57,039
Office magazine, which is really something because you know, by

737
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,920
that time she was pretty well established as a dancer,

738
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,320
in a in a model and an actress. I mean

739
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,519
she she worked with everybody, and she was very easy

740
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:08,199
to get along with. Her reputation was very good. She

741
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,559
was kind of like a ren A Bond and that

742
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:12,880
people knew they were going to get someone who would

743
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,719
show up, do the work, be pleasant to have around. Yeah,

744
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,199
Gary Ken has good stories about her, and there's yeah,

745
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,039
there's a there's a lot of people that really liked

746
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,400
working with her. And so when she died that was

747
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:27,519
very it was a big, you know, surprise everybody. She had.

748
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,519
She left a daughter behind, she was a mother and

749
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:32,079
she was doing some of these films. I don't know

750
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:35,159
how old when she passed away the daughter was, but

751
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,159
it's on her tombstone beloved daughter and mother.

752
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: So what year did she get her implants?

753
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: Do?

754
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,159
Speaker 2: You know?

755
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:44,599
Speaker 3: Uh?

756
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: Early? Because she's I think she has them in Satan Satus,

757
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,960
which is nineteen sixty nine. So there are some films

758
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,119
you can see very early where she doesn't have them.

759
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:55,960
It's kind of any bond situation where you can see

760
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:59,280
there are ones pre implants and there's post implants, when

761
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,880
most of them are post implants. She also had implants

762
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,400
and fabulous bassword from Chicago in that where she plays

763
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,400
like a in that she plays a temperance protester or something.

764
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:16,800
She's protesting alcohol. She's like a prohibition era like protesting alcohol.

765
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:21,039
And she gets sexually assaulted, of course, because these movies

766
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:25,079
are terrible in that way. And yeah, her bodice or

767
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:27,679
whatever gets ripped off, and she has very vivid implants,

768
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,920
So bad casting for someone who's supposed to be a

769
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,800
conservative religious personal.

770
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,679
Speaker 3: Implants, playing against the you know, plane into the hypocrisy there.

771
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, they're not that smart. No, what are

772
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,039
you making that movie? Is that smart? Yeah? But she

773
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:48,320
was also from Chicago, just like just like Spence, so

774
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,440
she was she was Yeah, she was in her thirties

775
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,599
because she she's born thirty eight, so she was actually

776
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:58,599
thirty one when she was in Satan Satus because I

777
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,280
was sixty nine. But she also was Linda and Linda

778
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,800
Abilene for hershel Wardon Lewis, she was Miss Nymphit and

779
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,960
Miss Niphit Zappen she was in Bang Bang Gang, which

780
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,119
she just watched and liked. Yea, she was in she

781
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,360
was in Drifter but right before she died, which was

782
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,960
pat Roco's bisexual film. Three movies for Adamson. Yeah, so

783
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,440
she worked for everybody. She also had a good part

784
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,480
in an Adam twelve episode as an abused mother, which

785
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:26,880
you can see screenshots of her on IMDb. She has,

786
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,360
you know, dialogue and good close ups and stuff. And

787
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,199
then her daughters played by Don Lynn who's Leif Garrett's sister,

788
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:35,079
and they are both in Double Times five.

789
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,559
Speaker 3: So yeah, she's got around so much stuff. Yeah.

790
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she's butchered and sisters in Leather for Spence,

791
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,599
which is very memorable. She's very good in that. Yeah.

792
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:49,639
Speaker 3: She was in William Ratzler's She Did what She She

793
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:53,440
did what he wanted. I watched that recently too, that

794
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:55,400
adult movie Early Adult.

795
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: I think that's I think it's like early footage too,

796
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,599
because I think.

797
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: He might have been dream footage. But yeah, she's always

798
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:08,039
a welcome presence. I can't think of any movie of

799
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,880
hers that really she didn't. I feel like she didn't

800
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,519
get too many like big highlighted starring roles other than yeah,

801
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:17,199
Lyndon Abilene is one.

802
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: And miss Nympha is the other one and miss Nimphitt.

803
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,599
Speaker 3: But I mean that's like not a like plot driven movie.

804
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:26,679
Speaker 2: No, but I mean you did that was like what

805
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,280
the second post that you put up on Instagram when

806
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,360
we started the new Instagram was her? Yeah, so Bambi

807
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,280
Allen already a presence on the syn syndicate. It's a

808
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,559
good point. Yeah, yeah, I mean she's she's very good.

809
00:44:40,599 --> 00:44:43,159
She's very good with comedy. I think it's a situation

810
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,079
where she was good, but I don't know if people

811
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:48,880
knew how to use her. I feel like people just

812
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:50,599
liked her enough that they wanted her on the set

813
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:52,400
and they were like, well, we have something for you.

814
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,360
Just come and show up and it'll be fun. And

815
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,719
you can tell that she I think had fun whenever

816
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,719
and with whatever she was doing. I mean she made

817
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,840
a lot of turns too. But I think the fact

818
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,119
that people still wanted to work with her says a

819
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:06,360
lot like that Britt Blazer thing where she starts as

820
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,599
Britt Blazer, which is not good. Well, that's another lead

821
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:14,199
role for her which is just not worthy of any

822
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,320
talent she had to offer.

823
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, this clip that you have in our show notes,

824
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,000
is that for Box Office that Bamby Allen that notice.

825
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, she's buried at Mount Sinai Memorial Cemetery in

826
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,880
Los Angeles with a really nice tombstone that says her

827
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,159
real name is her real name was Rosalie Rbson, but

828
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:40,639
the tombstone says Rosalie Bamby Rbson. It's nice. Yea Bamby

829
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,440
is on her headstone. Yeah, So I wonder if Bambi's

830
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,719
worthy of more research because the really is, there's not

831
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:49,719
a lot dunk because she passed away so early, it's

832
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,000
tough to find more info about her, Like I'd like

833
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:55,760
to know about the rest of her family potentially. And yeah,

834
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,119
I feel like because she died so early and she

835
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:00,480
never did hardcore, I think that someone like a Renee

836
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:03,119
Bond or a Sandy Carey who also got implants, kind

837
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:06,559
of over overtook her and they got lucky they didn't have,

838
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,639
you know, the bad ending that she did, or even

839
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,599
Jane Centis who's in this also got implants she was

840
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,000
just very unlucky and that she was an early casualty

841
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,639
of like bad implants that that that she got cancer from.

842
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: I mean, was there a lawsuits? I mean, what.

843
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: Happened, Not that I can find. They don't. They don't

844
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,159
really do that. Medical metor practice lawsuits were not a

845
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,880
thing then really that's that's the thing of Now, yeah

846
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:32,400
that's not really a thing.

847
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: Then that's sad. Yeah, but yeah, I mean I won't

848
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,960
go there. Guardian name plants. Let's talk about Well, I

849
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,039
was just gonna say, like, I don't feel like her implants. Look,

850
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,519
they don't look bad. I think that they compared to

851
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:47,719
some I've seen.

852
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,519
Speaker 2: They do and several features look bad, I think because

853
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:55,280
they hadn't settled. I think Rene Bond had the same problem.

854
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,360
And also, I mean there are a few other people.

855
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:00,960
Jane centis every every woman that I know that I

856
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,519
had implants. At that time, they were rare in to

857
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,119
go to show them off because it was going to

858
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:09,280
get them more work, obviously, and so their first few

859
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,679
movies after they get you can tell Pat Barrington same thing.

860
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,559
There are some movies where her influence looks terrible past

861
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:19,199
because they're brand new and they haven't settled yet, so

862
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,280
they look rock hard, uncomfortable, because I mean this was

863
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,360
early plastic surgery. You know, it wasn't. It had not

864
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,719
developed into what we have now where I think it's

865
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,000
getting harder to tell who has had breast augmentation surgery,

866
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,320
but at that time it was like glaringly obvious. But

867
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,440
I think may have gone through two different, two different

868
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,760
augmentation processes. Actually I don't remember if that's the case,

869
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,239
but that sounds like that might be true. Yeah.

870
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 3: I think about Anita Stringberg. She was in a bunch

871
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,199
of Giallo movies. She had heard always very uncomfortable with those. Yeah,

872
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,559
I have that look that I've noticed the yeah, that

873
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:04,840
early implant look. And I know I think it was

874
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,719
Ivan Rasimov, one of her co stars, had said that,

875
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,800
you know, in some of those scenes, like they did

876
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,480
not feel right, right. It was so funny about it.

877
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I remember that interview. But yeah, I

878
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,239
mean it's true. It's like we're dealing with, yeah, early

879
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,400
breast augmentation. It wasn't. It had not developed into what

880
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:29,159
it is now. So that's unfortant. That's why Bambi was

881
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,760
kind of an unfortunate victim of that, where it was

882
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,559
it had not developed into the you know, the science

883
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,119
and the mega industry that it is now.

884
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:40,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, poor girl.

885
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: The countess had certainly assembled a freaky collection of friends

886
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,880
or were they too guests in her castle?

887
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:03,519
Speaker 3: But yeah, Jane Jane, how do you say her last

888
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,800
name to sentence? Jane centis t is silent okay?

889
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:12,119
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or yeah, the cheeses combined it like tent centus. Yeah.

890
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,039
She's a lot of this stuff and it's not most

891
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:17,760
of it is not good. She's another one that was

892
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,400
easy to work with, and I think people knew they

893
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,000
could just call her. She hides into a lot of

894
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,199
wigs and a lot of terrible stuff too. I think

895
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,559
most people know her now is miss Hide, an adult

896
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:28,440
in the adult version of Jacculin Hide. I think that's

897
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,280
probably her biggest role. And then also the she's in

898
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,920
the that movie Sacrilege, which is the Witch, the Witch

899
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,039
movie which was everyone says right down and Stuckler directed it.

900
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:42,519
I have my doubts. And it was spiced up with

901
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:45,159
hardcore footage that is not her that she did do

902
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,480
hardcore and other stuff.

903
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: Okay, I haven't seen that yet, but yeah, aacrilege, Yeah, sacrilege.

904
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:51,960
I haven't seen that.

905
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: That's good. Sacrilege. Well, you know, I used to hate

906
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:57,320
it and I think I rewatched it recently on actually

907
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,159
an agvid disc. They had a I think it is

908
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:04,400
the one with Devil Insider on it and Satan's Lust. Yeah.

909
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,920
I like Sacrilege. I mean for what it is, it

910
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,039
has good atmosphere. I quite like it.

911
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you bring that up, because, Yeah, when

912
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,559
we were thinking about movies to cover in October, you know,

913
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:21,320
there's so many erotic horror, hardcore movies, but there's not

914
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:28,639
as many softcore sexploitation ones. And yeah, Sacrilege appears to

915
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:33,079
be a hardcore a horror movie through inserts.

916
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: It was shot soft and then all the sex is

917
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:39,840
hardcore through inserts because it's seventy one. I think it's

918
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,880
because the seventies the sixties were were, of course a

919
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,039
horror decade. You know, like every decade kind of has

920
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:50,079
its own modes of horror. So fifties, you know, fifties

921
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:53,119
was like monsters and things, But sixties, I think the

922
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:55,920
kind of horror that was around in the sixties is

923
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,960
tough to translate into sex films. In the seventies, I

924
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,400
think it's much easier to kind of adapt things. I

925
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,280
think The Exorcist was a huge Trailblazer. I think Rosemary's

926
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,000
Baby made an impact that eventually followed into the seventies.

927
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:14,719
But like we're talking about softcorese exploitation, the closest thing

928
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,119
I can think of is trying to make like a

929
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:17,760
Hitchcock sexy thriller.

930
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: Yep, that was my I was going to say cycles

931
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:23,880
the big one from sixties.

932
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:26,679
Speaker 2: Right, trying to think like my Hammer was around in

933
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,480
the sixties, They're not going to do a zombie movie

934
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,880
like Night of the Living Dead. Yeah, they're not going

935
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,119
to do but we really don't have like vampire sexy

936
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:37,039
movies that comes around in the seventies with like rerec

937
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,239
Rum for a Vampire and the Blood Roses sixty nine.

938
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:45,000
Vampire Lovers is nineteen seventy, So like mixing sex and

939
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,639
horror in more graphic ways, I think became was more

940
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:52,079
of a seventies thing. There are definitely other examples, but

941
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:53,840
I think it became more of a seventies thing, and

942
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,840
that by that time, hardcore was the name of the game.

943
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,280
That's why you have stuff like Angel Above Double Below,

944
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,119
which was shot soft core, and then they added hardcore

945
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:06,360
inserts or like Devil's Not Devil's Playground Devil's Ecstasy is

946
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,920
another one shot softcore with inserts added. Ganall another one

947
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,800
shot softcore with hardcore inserts.

948
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's always in the way to garbage. It's hard

949
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:20,719
to sometimes spot her because, yes, her face isn't super

950
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,159
distinct right, and she's always got different wigs on.

951
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: But I was looking through only how I was looking through,

952
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:31,280
I forgot she was an only house in town, and

953
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,079
I was like, oh, right, she's in a red wig.

954
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:36,760
I don't I can't tell who she is in that. Yeah,

955
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,159
she's very undistinctive, which sounds terrible to say, but that's why,

956
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,119
Like she really stands out in something like Jacqueline Hyde

957
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:47,119
because she's the only blonde in that movie. Really. Yeah,

958
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:49,519
and she's given a good, substantial role. But everything else

959
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:51,960
she's kind of like window dressing. She's not really given

960
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,440
a lot to do in a lot of this stuff.

961
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,519
Speaker 3: Oh you know, the other one that she's good in

962
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,159
is Evil Calm, Evil Goal, which I watched recently.

963
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: She is very good in that.

964
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: I think that's the best I've seen. But she's the

965
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:09,280
lesbian girlfriend that. Yeah, I won't any like seventy two was.

966
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,119
Speaker 2: Her year, because that was she was in that and

967
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,559
also Jacqueline Hyde portfolio and then he will come Evil

968
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:19,320
go also many Kandy and then she was in. Uh,

969
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,679
I love people come in and we go. We could

970
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:24,239
have talked about that, but we've already done. Manny and

971
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,480
Bob Chen. You know, we all get it when we

972
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:32,079
take a break from Bob Bob and well, maybe we'll

973
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:33,800
have Patrick back to talk Evil come me and we

974
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,599
go next next Halloween. Yeah, that would be that would

975
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:42,119
make sense. Yeah, I know Jane is around. I'm not

976
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:44,119
going to mention the person who is in touch with

977
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:45,719
her because I don't know if he wants me to,

978
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:50,880
but he has let me know. Another researcher, very good

979
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,159
researcher with really good connections and really good research skills,

980
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,360
has advised that she really doesn't remember much about this

981
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,920
period in her life. She doesn't remember specifics about film,

982
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,199
which makes sense because a lot of these are shot quickly.

983
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,360
She made a ton of them. She's not gonna remember stuff.

984
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:07,840
Apparently she doesn't even remember Jacqueline Hyde that much, which

985
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,719
is very surprising to me. Okay, so there are certain

986
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,880
things that will draw her memory. She has specific memories

987
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,280
about certain films for some reason, and then others not

988
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,920
at all, which doesn't which makes total sense to me.

989
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,400
I think anyone from that era would be that way,

990
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:25,960
like Casey Lorraine is that way. Yeah, I know that

991
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:28,559
Rene Bond would be just alive. And Ushi's that way.

992
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:31,079
Naila Grath is that way. Like you know when you

993
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:36,360
make that many movies quick like that weekends, Yeah, yeah,

994
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,480
every weekend of your life for several years, like you know,

995
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:42,320
maybe these quickies, you're not gonna remember everything. You may

996
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,039
remember people, but not you know.

997
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, does she remember being like the flesh market slave

998
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,559
and below the belt? Probably not?

999
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,199
Speaker 2: Probably not. She showed up, she was topless in a

1000
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:57,440
living room and then went home right like that was Knox.

1001
00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:00,480
Three hours of work like there was Yeah, there was

1002
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:01,719
no reason for her to remember that.

1003
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah I like Jane and again, yeah, I

1004
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:10,079
really liked her Evil Go. We'll talk about that one

1005
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:10,920
day someday.

1006
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,519
Speaker 2: I know she's in Strangers for Sam Weston, which I

1007
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,199
just watched, but that's really Starlin' Simon's movie. I don't

1008
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,880
remember her that much in that, And then she's also

1009
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,159
in Threads of Man for Dick Fontaine, which is it's

1010
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,840
interesting that there are so many straight straight industry women

1011
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,480
who would then work with like gay filmmakers, So like

1012
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:34,639
Eve Orlon worked with Fred Halstead, and you know, Judy

1013
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,800
Angel worked with Pat Rocco, and then apparently she was

1014
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,800
in Threads of Man for Dick Fontaine, who did Sins

1015
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,920
of Rachel and a lot of other gay stuff in

1016
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,960
the seventies. So yeah, just ways the industry kind of

1017
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,280
those two industries kind of interwove sometimes.

1018
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,639
Speaker 1: Lisa had always dreamed of making it in the Castle

1019
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:58,400
and the Old Stones really turned her on.

1020
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: Linda Murray is the redhead in this movie. She is

1021
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:15,880
the other suckyest. You have your low rent Debbie Osborne, which.

1022
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: Is I guess deb wasn't available like I guess maybe

1023
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,760
because she look a lot like her. Yeah, yeah, except

1024
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,719
she's not interesting.

1025
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah for me, she's not quirking on me and like

1026
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,599
Bubba ly and fun, She's just there.

1027
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just there. And I mean she she's in

1028
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,760
the Takers. There's I think that's probably the biggest thing

1029
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,280
I remember her from. There's that opening sequence with the

1030
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,880
bikers pick up the two hippie chicks. It's her and

1031
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,039
Kathy Hilton, and then it's over, and then that part

1032
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:48,880
of the movie's done, and they go, you know, do

1033
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,760
the Home Invasion. I don't remember who she was in

1034
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,960
Taylor the Dean's Wife because that's Christine Murray's movie. That's

1035
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,119
the thing. She works in movies with other people that

1036
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,400
easily outshine her. So it's difficult for me to gauge

1037
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:06,159
whether she's any good or not because she's consistently out

1038
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:07,480
shown in star Power.

1039
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:10,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, like she's in Flesh Gordon, which is like has

1040
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:13,679
a million yes and everybody and yes, And I think

1041
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:14,679
that might be her real name.

1042
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: See that's the great thing about Flesh Gordon because it

1043
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:21,760
wasn't hardcore. Almost everybody on that movie is build under

1044
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,639
their real name, with a very few exceptions. So I'm like, okay,

1045
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:26,039
well then I know what her real name is. But

1046
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,159
you see in the show notes, how common is that name? Right,

1047
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,119
I'm not going to find her, and to be fair,

1048
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:36,280
I don't want to. I really don't care that much.

1049
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't in anything really, even Flesh Gordon's like

1050
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,480
probably her biggest project. How much does she have to

1051
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:44,039
say about it?

1052
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: Probably not much, probably nothing. I mean that's the thing.

1053
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:49,760
All these are tiny parts. So it's like a Jane

1054
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,320
centis where what is she going to remember really? I mean,

1055
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,760
she might be able to tell me who her tell

1056
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,599
us who her agent was, which I would find interesting,

1057
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:03,000
but that's you know, yeah, that interesting. I'd rather talk

1058
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,159
to the agent's rip all of them. Unfortunately.

1059
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,119
Speaker 3: Well, continue with the girls. There is Jacqueline Lissette. She's

1060
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:10,639
also kind of a Zultan girl.

1061
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: She appears she was a Zultan girl and a Mandy

1062
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:13,920
Condy girl.

1063
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:14,559
Speaker 1: Yeap.

1064
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,559
Speaker 2: Basically she only did movies for Zultan in Condy.

1065
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: And what's her background because she is dark skinned, she's.

1066
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's somebody that Mandy knew or Manny knew.

1067
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,880
I don't know, because the fact that she after this

1068
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,840
Oultan stuff. She's into other Manny movies that Manny actually

1069
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:35,519
did produce and was involved with so much more than

1070
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,360
these two. So yeah, I don't know. She has a

1071
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,119
bigger role in Hand to Pleasure, where she's the mad

1072
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:47,039
doctor's assistant. Yeah yeah, but yeah she doesn't really she's

1073
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:47,960
a cool. Look.

1074
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a stands out a little bit because it's

1075
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,800
not just like another blonde white girl.

1076
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I mean going going jumping off

1077
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,400
of low rent Debbie Osbourne. She's like a low rent Hodgie.

1078
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,159
Speaker 3: Yeah you could say that.

1079
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'm yeah lo lo lo lo loo. I

1080
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:09,679
would rather So she's it's very we have Hodgy at

1081
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:13,320
home and it's this girl. Yeah. It's like, if you

1082
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,960
don't have the money to pay for Hodgy, you get

1083
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,400
this girl. She's fine. She makes no impression. I mean

1084
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,880
that's not every girl in this industry is going to

1085
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,840
make an impression, and she just doesn't.

1086
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,639
Speaker 3: I think there's one more girl to cover, Tricia Ople.

1087
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,639
Speaker 2: She's Tricia Ople. I do like a lot. She makes

1088
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:34,000
shitty movies, but there's something very cute about her.

1089
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,039
Speaker 3: So she has that kind of apple face.

1090
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: Yes, and she's also very distinctive. You can pick her

1091
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,639
out of the lineup. Always blonde, you know, very apple cheeks.

1092
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,360
She's kind of like a blonde Renee Bond, but not

1093
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,039
as cute. There's a similar vibe to Tricia Ople and

1094
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:53,159
her stuff. This is one of her only softcore movies.

1095
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,280
She was almost exclusively hardcore and not very good at

1096
00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:59,639
as a sexual performer. I have to be honest, but

1097
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:03,880
she has good movies on her resume, like she did

1098
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,079
Sex and the Comics and all American Hustler in the

1099
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:10,760
miss let Genie, which is good. I think she might

1100
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,760
have been married to Dick Burns because her real name,

1101
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,840
or the name's credited on on Flesh Gordon, is Patricia Burns,

1102
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,239
and that is making me immediately think, oh, Dick Burns.

1103
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,440
And the reason I think that is because they are

1104
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,079
both uncredited in a crowd scene in Country Hooker, which

1105
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:30,480
has a lot of other hardcore people like Thad Watson,

1106
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,440
except Dick Burns is a member of the bar band

1107
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:36,199
and Tricia ople is dancing to his music that he's

1108
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,559
playing with the band, and they're not credited. I just

1109
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:40,880
spotted them in the crowd because I know Tricia and

1110
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,320
I know Dick, and I was like, oh, they're in

1111
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,960
this movie, but they're not credited. Okay, I just never

1112
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:53,159
never updated IMDb because it's not their business. So but yeah,

1113
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,760
I think that they might have been might have been

1114
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:58,000
partners of Dick Burns was his real name.

1115
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, I remember that scene

1116
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,440
in Country Hooker. I have to keep an eye out

1117
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:04,119
for her next time.

1118
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's dancing in like this is a green dress

1119
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,639
because I just revisited that. But I was like, oh,

1120
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:13,679
Tricia's in this because Dad Watson, who also worked with

1121
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:18,119
Tricia a lot in these sleazy hardcore movies, is in

1122
01:01:18,199 --> 01:01:20,559
that scene too, and he doesn't have in that a

1123
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:24,559
he's a client of I think Sandy Dempsey. He doesn't

1124
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:26,920
have any sex scene in the movie, but he's just there.

1125
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,880
So it's kind of like these early hardcore people, which

1126
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,679
are probably Rebsawitz people, if we're going to be honest,

1127
01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:34,880
I think reb Sawitz is probably the casting person.

1128
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 3: I realized we totally kind of skipped over the other lead,

1129
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:42,760
the female lead, but maybe because there's not much to

1130
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,639
say about the characters.

1131
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not she's it's it's kind of a we

1132
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:52,119
know who she is, but this is our only movie.

1133
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:58,400
So she was a model named Alyssa Alyssa mel And

1134
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,079
her real name is Alyssa Melnick. But so yeah, so

1135
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:03,639
she was mostly a model, like she did a lot

1136
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:07,320
of photo spreads and magazines in the late sixties, early seventies,

1137
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,519
very young, early twenties, and then yeah, she got married

1138
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:14,519
and went back to Pennsylvania. She still looks pretty much

1139
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:16,119
the same. I have a picture in the show notes.

1140
01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:18,159
I was like, oh, yeah, that's very her.

1141
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean she probably would remember this movie

1142
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:24,679
if it was one of her only movies. Don't you

1143
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:25,800
think if you asked.

1144
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: Her, I think she probably would. I think she probably

1145
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,719
would like Well, it was on it was in a

1146
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,000
castle stage. There were a bunch of guys in a

1147
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:37,559
ram's head, and your boyfriend was tied to an Andrew

1148
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:41,199
st Andrew's cross and it was directed by this guy

1149
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,320
named Spence Spence Crilly.

1150
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, she probably would.

1151
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:47,679
Speaker 2: She probably wouldn't want to talk about it though.

1152
01:02:48,159 --> 01:02:52,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. The rat was trying to chew its way from

1153
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:56,440
that heated brass bowl and the only way out was

1154
01:02:56,559 --> 01:03:13,360
through her flesh. Lisa and I were completely turned off.

1155
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,159
Speaker 3: Well, now I'm trying to remember who is the So

1156
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,599
it was Lisa Marie or it was Linda Murrie that

1157
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:23,519
had the rat put on her chest? Right, was that her?

1158
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:25,559
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, that's Linda Murray.

1159
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:29,599
Speaker 3: That was Linda Okay, because we didn't mention that scene

1160
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:32,519
when we were talking about Linda. But yeah, that's kind

1161
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:35,639
of the only thing that really stands out about this

1162
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,360
movie is that's that scene.

1163
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,679
Speaker 2: I think it's really twisted and sick. This is great,

1164
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,559
I mean, that's why it stands out. It's just like

1165
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,840
but then but then I don't like that. I mean,

1166
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,119
I guess it kind of makes sense that it's like, oh,

1167
01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:51,880
it turns out it was just like a magic trick,

1168
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,559
and I'm like, well, Spence the magician is like, oh

1169
01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:57,400
magic magic into it. Yeah.

1170
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,639
Speaker 3: But yeah, the like fake blood coming out from underneath

1171
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:04,559
the pan that they're heating that's on her chest is

1172
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:09,360
like going into her cubic hair. It's kind of Yeah.

1173
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,840
It's kind of a rough little scene there, it is.

1174
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,679
Speaker 2: I mean, it's very reliant. It's very for a dream yeah,

1175
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:17,679
for a vampire.

1176
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah that dungeon scene where the batpussy and

1177
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,199
the whipping and yeah, the horrible guys.

1178
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, guys.

1179
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 3: It's so funny in the actual castle now that I

1180
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,159
think Requiem was on the in the Criterion set that

1181
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:34,960
they uploaded recently.

1182
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: Which is the old Redemption Master, which I'm not happy about.

1183
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:41,119
I'm just like, what is going on? These Indicator releases

1184
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:43,159
are in four K from the negatives. Why are we

1185
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,599
not getting these on streaming? I don't know, maybe streaming rights,

1186
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,280
I think, you know, the streaming rights probably, which makes

1187
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,320
no sense because their physical releases are out of print.

1188
01:04:52,719 --> 01:04:53,400
So I don't know.

1189
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: I don't know well, I mean, we are a unique breed.

1190
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:01,440
I think most people probably wouldn't even be able to

1191
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:02,239
tell a difference.

1192
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,039
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like Criterion. Criterion typically has a

1193
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,159
pretty high quality control threshold, So if they knew that

1194
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:12,440
there were other versions out there that look better, they

1195
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,000
would want those versions, not these old versions that are

1196
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:16,960
a decade and a half old. Yeah.

1197
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:22,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, who do we have left here? Ron Darby? Yeah

1198
01:05:22,159 --> 01:05:24,239
he's another kind of Zoltan.

1199
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: Guy, very annoying.

1200
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ron Darby, I don't like either.

1201
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:33,039
Speaker 2: I'm only into Zultan's but he's like so obnoxious in everything.

1202
01:05:34,599 --> 01:05:39,480
He has a lot of worse. Yes, yeah, he's not good.

1203
01:05:40,159 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a good comparison. Yeah, they do look somewhat similar.

1204
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 2: They're just like two dupistes that are like, these guys

1205
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,119
should not be getting ye, very smart. In a just world,

1206
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:56,159
these men would be shut down by any woman. It's

1207
01:05:56,239 --> 01:05:58,360
just like, you know, this is when you know that

1208
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,440
it's the films are because there's no way. But then

1209
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,360
apparently in real life he actually was dating Suzanne Fields.

1210
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,639
Unlike Suzanne I'm gonna I'm gonna say that it's because

1211
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:11,559
you just got out of the Mormon religion. In Utah,

1212
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,159
that you're you jumped on the first guy that you

1213
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,199
met you in LA or something. She was so young

1214
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,199
and impressionable. That's all I can get because there's there's

1215
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,760
nothing charming or interesting about Ron Darby. I'm sorry, Ron Darby,

1216
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,000
you're still around, but I don't I don't care for

1217
01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:31,639
your screen presence. I think you're really obnoxious and everything.

1218
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,199
Speaker 3: Well, the nice thing about Hannah Pleasure is he's killed

1219
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,480
like very early, very quickly.

1220
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,519
Speaker 2: Yes exactly. I'm like, thank god, yeah, because then you

1221
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:42,719
have stuff you get sucked to death. Yeah, he gets

1222
01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:44,719
stuff like Caught in the Can, which is the Joseph F.

1223
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,800
Robertson movie where and then also touches Sweden for Joe

1224
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,199
Robertson and where it's like him and I forget the

1225
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,280
other guy. It's not.

1226
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,079
Speaker 3: William Howard is another Flesh Cordon guy.

1227
01:06:55,159 --> 01:06:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in there too, yes, which I think

1228
01:06:57,239 --> 01:06:59,719
that might be. I'm not sure what his real name is.

1229
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:04,159
Then might not be his real name, but he's also

1230
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,840
in so he plays the devil in Hotter than Hell

1231
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,239
and he's terrible in that, really obnoxious. He's in Satan's

1232
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,119
Lust and he plays George Buck Flowers assistant in that

1233
01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:18,719
it's like, you know, this horrible rapist. He's in the

1234
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,639
Save apostolof movies, like he got work, which gives me

1235
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:24,639
the impression that he's another one that people liked working with,

1236
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,960
otherwise they wouldn't hire him. But he doesn't bring anything

1237
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,239
to any project that I can remember. I'd love to

1238
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,079
be surprised if I'm revisiting stuff and like, actually Ron

1239
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:38,199
Darby's good in this. I don't see that happening, but

1240
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:39,599
it would be a nice surprise.

1241
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's Ron Derby. What about John John?

1242
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 2: He's very interesting, Yes, John John Dellahan. I believe it's

1243
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,360
how you pronounce it's Irish name. So he I feel

1244
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,320
like there's probably way more to say about him, and

1245
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,000
I just don't know because I haven't devoted that much

1246
01:07:59,079 --> 01:07:59,679
research to him.

1247
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:04,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, his IMDb is very different than everyone else.

1248
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:05,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he moved out to Hollywood and had to do

1249
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,039
like five years of sex movies before he finally started

1250
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:11,440
getting work in like regular movies and TV. He put

1251
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:15,159
in his dues, but he was a Broadway actor or

1252
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,319
off brought like a stage actor in New York. He

1253
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,039
was from a New York guy. He was born in

1254
01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:22,199
New York, went out to Hollywood like a lot of

1255
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:25,439
New Yorkers do, and trying to make it. And of

1256
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,880
course because for a sort of older guy, he was

1257
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,600
like early forties when he started, in good shape, not

1258
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,880
bad looking, with do nudity. To my knowledge, I don't

1259
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,800
believe he ever did hardcore. He would do hardcore movies,

1260
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,399
but not have sex in them. I believe that to

1261
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,840
be the case because I don't remember him ever having

1262
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:49,960
actual sex in these movies. Yeah, he's older, he's typically Yeah,

1263
01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:54,239
he's typically cast in like roles of authority, usually like professors.

1264
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,720
So he's in a lot of white coders too, because

1265
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,279
he's very good a dialogue, he can talk to the

1266
01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:02,560
camera and he's very natural. So he's in stuff like

1267
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:07,399
The Undergraduate and Sexual Liberty now the Postgraduate Sessions of

1268
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,079
Love Therapy, like a lot of these movies where he's

1269
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:14,199
either like a professor about sex or a doctor, you know,

1270
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:16,960
or a psychologist or something. And it's very believable in

1271
01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:19,479
those things. And then the flip side, you have been

1272
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,560
really terrible shitty movies like those Cosmos movies like Ego Trip,

1273
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,159
not Fisherman's Luck. He's in another one of them. That's

1274
01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:28,439
just terrible, and it's just like, you know that he

1275
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,479
needed the money and he was auditioning and going out

1276
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,600
trying to get work on like TV and film, and

1277
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,439
this was just what was available, and he did it

1278
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,399
and always always hid behind a pseudonym. I think John

1279
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:45,079
Dunn was probably his most frequently used or familiar pseudonym

1280
01:09:45,239 --> 01:09:47,479
from his sex film days, but he was in a

1281
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,239
few other driving movies too. He's in the Thing with

1282
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:54,159
Two Heads and Sweet Sweep Back briefly Gardener of the Dead,

1283
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,079
which says a lot of sex film people in it,

1284
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,800
from the Leaf Frost and John Hayes.

1285
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,119
Speaker 3: I see him listed for that. John Lamb Big Beaver

1286
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:06,239
splits the scene, which is like, also, yeah, isn't that

1287
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:07,039
is terrible?

1288
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's so bad though. I hate that movie.

1289
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,600
It's so bad. Uh. Yeah. That's another one that shot

1290
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,720
at like a very familiar pool in someone's backyard, probably

1291
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,039
John's pool actually, because I think he's in Zodiac Killer

1292
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:24,520
as well, and a few other things that are all

1293
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,039
shot on John's house or either a friend of John's house.

1294
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:29,039
So yeah, I mean it.

1295
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,319
Speaker 3: Would be the same pool from the raw ones. You

1296
01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:32,920
should rewatch the Raw ones and.

1297
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:37,239
Speaker 2: It probably it might be did they shoot anything of

1298
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,359
memory Mermaids of Tiberon in a pool, like maybe the

1299
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:41,720
underwater stuff was shot there.

1300
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe the underwater stuff, but yeah, mostly it's on

1301
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:44,800
the coast.

1302
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1303
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,399
Speaker 2: Interesting, but yeah, he's a very interesting guy. Which time

1304
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:51,880
I see him, I'm like, John had rent to pay

1305
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:56,319
and so he's you know, yeah, he's in so much

1306
01:10:56,399 --> 01:10:58,439
bad stuff that you're kind of like, God, this guy's

1307
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,159
really hitting the taking what he can until he can

1308
01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:04,920
get some regular work on like a TV show. And

1309
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,239
I don't think he ever did. I don't think he

1310
01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:08,239
was ever a TV show regular, but you see him

1311
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:09,800
in a lot of stuff, like he's one of these

1312
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,800
regular guys that you'll see in like old TV episodes

1313
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:13,159
and things.

1314
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,199
Speaker 3: And then you see his credit as reporter in Apollo thirteen.

1315
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:22,119
Speaker 2: Yes, right, yeah, like yeah, he he he had to

1316
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,000
hit the pavement and do these character actor bits when

1317
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,640
he wasn't doing sex work. But that was way later. Yeah.

1318
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,920
He died of lung cancer and I think two thousand

1319
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,720
and nine, so he was like in his seventies when

1320
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,119
he passed away. Yeah, not to my knowledge, never discussed

1321
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,880
his sex film work with anybody. Understandable.

1322
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:44,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the cast. I think I probably teased my thoughts,

1323
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,119
but maybe you can give your thoughts, your your revisits.

1324
01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 2: Actually, do we want to discuss the distribution of this? Yes,

1325
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,359
we could do that because the post, the only existing

1326
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,439
poster that I've seen is it called it film Org

1327
01:11:58,640 --> 01:11:59,840
Castle and it says it's Sakam.

1328
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,199
Speaker 3: But I think it was distribution, yeah in the show

1329
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:05,000
notes there.

1330
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think they were the regional distributor. Only

1331
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,479
I don't think it was a national distributor because I

1332
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,680
found an announcement in in Box Office magazine, which is

1333
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,720
such a great resource, in September nineteen seventy one where

1334
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:21,079
they said that he sold the movie to Goldstone Films

1335
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,000
to release in October of nineteen seventy one. So Goldstone

1336
01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:28,199
Films isn't even is also not Manny Conedy. Goldstone Films

1337
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:32,359
is Harry Goldstone. So Harry Goldstone. I think we I'm

1338
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,479
trying to think we might have talked about him briefly

1339
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,640
on our Lost episode, one of the lost episodes thing,

1340
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,960
because he handled a lost film, but they did. They

1341
01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:42,520
handle a national distribution for a lot of stuff like

1342
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,279
Pit Stop and Devil Writer, but Also they did imports

1343
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:50,359
like Curse of the Devil, the Nashy movie, so it

1344
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:52,800
looks like Goldstone Films handle distribution of this. But they

1345
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:57,680
also called it Orgy a terror Castle, So I don't

1346
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,239
know if that's a better title. I don't know. I

1347
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:03,359
don't think it is. I think terror or all like

1348
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,439
the better open with the terror. Are you selling the

1349
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,000
horror first? Maybe? Yeah.

1350
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 3: Wasn't there a case where some theatrical they cut the

1351
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:14,079
word orgy out?

1352
01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 2: I have not seen that, but that's possible. I mean

1353
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,199
at that because it came out around the time that

1354
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:24,199
hardcore was playing. It was, you know, as hardcore was

1355
01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:27,920
taking over right before Deep Throat, so newspapers were still

1356
01:13:28,119 --> 01:13:31,640
censoring things. Yeah, so that makes sense. I don't know

1357
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,800
what they would have I don't know what the reissue

1358
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:34,399
would have called it.

1359
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, terror, blank Castle or just tear castle. Yeah,

1360
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,199
but that's kind of bland, isn't it.

1361
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:41,239
Speaker 1: It is?

1362
01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:44,039
Speaker 2: And also it doesn't have it doesn't hint at the

1363
01:13:44,079 --> 01:13:45,399
sexual element of the film.

1364
01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:51,399
Speaker 1: I've got to admit that this circus was turning me

1365
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:52,399
on more than a little.

1366
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,199
Speaker 3: I don't think we mentioned that everybody is uncredited in

1367
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,319
this movie. There are no credits.

1368
01:14:07,039 --> 01:14:10,279
Speaker 2: Right after a while, the Sadder nine stuff didn't have credits,

1369
01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:13,520
so like screen Test Girls in Danish and Blue have credits,

1370
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,680
and there are I mean they're obviously fake credits, but

1371
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,159
there are at least credits. This one doesn't have credits.

1372
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:23,439
Hand a Pleasure doesn't have credits. Was the other one.

1373
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,479
There was another one, Sisters and Leather. I don't remember

1374
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,119
if that has credits, but they were weird about what

1375
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:30,439
they would put credits on, what they wouldn't. It does

1376
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,840
have a copyright notice on it, which is not enforceable

1377
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,680
because it's just a copyright nineteen seventy one. You have

1378
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,720
to have the production company on there because so it

1379
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,319
automatically became public domain the moment it was released, thanks

1380
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:44,920
to that fake, that unenforceable copyright.

1381
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would think you would know better. I mean,

1382
01:14:47,039 --> 01:14:49,479
he wasn't like just some fly by night guy. He's

1383
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,800
been in the business nown sort of in the business

1384
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,920
a little bit, you know, Spence.

1385
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 2: So what you should have known better. But I don't

1386
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,439
think he cared. Yeah, I don't think he cared that much.

1387
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:03,000
I think these films like ephemeral you know, yeah.

1388
01:15:03,159 --> 01:15:06,039
Speaker 3: So yeah, home video or re release was probably not

1389
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:08,119
on his radar at all. It was just like, get

1390
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:10,720
it in this theater for a couple of weekends, make

1391
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:11,560
my money back.

1392
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,039
Speaker 2: That's it, right, And that's why it's interesting that Manny

1393
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:18,720
got this library. And yeah, because hand a Pleasure came

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01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,800
out on video in like nineteen ninety with like a

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:26,000
contemporary model on the cover, So you know, they're trying

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01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:27,800
to sell it as a contemporary sex movie, which it

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01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,720
definitely is not. And I think that was Kandy. Kandy

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01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,399
is doing that. He was trying to get that back

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01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,560
on the market. The other thing I don't think we

1400
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,760
mentioned is that this is just narration only.

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01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 3: There is no dialogue. Nobody's voices MOS style which Spence.

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01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:47,640
That is Spence's voice.

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01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:49,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his voice.

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01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

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01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,039
Speaker 2: He's then rating it, Yeah, good enough. He does it

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on He's not the most narrates too.

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Speaker 3: No.

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,119
Speaker 2: I think he just wants it done. I think of

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something that's done quick. Like I said, these movies, there's nothing.

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They're not passion projects. They're not something that he's like,

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01:16:06,399 --> 01:16:08,800
I'm gonna put a lot of myself into this. The gay,

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the queer stuff might have been the only indicator of

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anything related to him, but none of the other stuff.

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01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,079
It's just kind of like, this is what the market wants. Okay,

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01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:18,119
we'll do this and then we'll crap it out, spend

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01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:20,399
as little as we can, and then sell it to

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01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,640
a distributor to have them handle it, and then then

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01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:24,479
you'll try to profit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What also this has going forward is the color, you know,

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01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,239
compared to like the Satanist, which is black and white.

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01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 2: There's that black and whites are shot better though, I

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01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,600
think so too. Yeah, just as the Leather and the Satanists.

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01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:41,800
I would give the Satanists that it's it's very well shot. Yeah, that,

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01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:45,439
and I think Sister is a leather shot well, you know,

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01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:50,560
comparatively like they're I mean they're better shot movies obviously,

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01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,640
but I mean they are competently photographed in black and white.

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The color is kind of drab because I think, well,

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01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,399
this is another situation where, like All American Girl, we're

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dealing with something shot on sixteen millimeters blown up to

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01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:08,039
thirty five. So if we're dealing with a thirty five

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01:17:08,079 --> 01:17:11,560
millimeter negative for any of these, then it'd be better

1433
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,760
if we were working from a sixteen millimeter negative like

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a camera original. Then we could at least get some

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01:17:16,119 --> 01:17:18,800
nice color. That's kind of like with man O sansa

1436
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,039
Faith that was a sixteen millimeter negative. So that's why

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01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:23,399
I looked stunning. That's why I always looked terrible on

1438
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,319
video because it was from thirty five milimeter prints. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1439
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:29,920
I think that's why I wonder how much it would pop. Yeah,

1440
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,279
I like Sickness better because I think it's just it

1441
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,479
looks better even. Yeah, but I get that, like at

1442
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,760
this time, color was, you know, something you slap on

1443
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:43,439
the poster, like, come see this color movie. Like some

1444
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,399
people didn't want to go see black and white movies

1445
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,560
in seventy two, right, So, and sometimes the irony is

1446
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,680
putting color on your poster when your poster is in

1447
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:55,640
black and white. Yep, you're not gonna spend any money

1448
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,159
on the printing of any color posters. You're gonna have

1449
01:17:58,199 --> 01:18:00,000
a black and white poster. But then say the movie

1450
01:18:00,079 --> 01:18:00,720
he's in color.

1451
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that original poster is it looks It

1452
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,520
doesn't look like this movie at all, not even just

1453
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,439
because it's black and white, but the vibes of it,

1454
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,560
it's not the same movie. You ever put that together? Yeah,

1455
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:15,960
I don't know.

1456
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,319
Speaker 2: Right well now, I'm also wondering if Goldstone offloaded it

1457
01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:21,640
to sack Amusements. But I don't feel like they did.

1458
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,159
I feel like Sack was mostly regional. You know who

1459
01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:28,520
would know is Alex de Santo. Yeah, Alex will let

1460
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:33,560
us know. Yeah, I have Sacked did anything national, not

1461
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,640
just regional. I feel like they were just regional though.

1462
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,239
Speaker 3: Well, whenever our episodes drop, he's the first to listen,

1463
01:18:38,319 --> 01:18:39,479
so he'll get back to us on it.

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01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 2: That's true, and he always gives us a little notes.

1465
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,239
That's true. That's very helpful.

1466
01:18:50,319 --> 01:18:54,560
Speaker 1: That vampire book had mentioned a female demon known as

1467
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:59,399
a suckubus who appeared in the night to sap the

1468
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:05,880
strength of her male victim. Man, what a crazy dream

1469
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:06,520
I was having.

1470
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 3: So yes, back to the last thoughts. I did not

1471
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,239
like this as much of as Sultan's other movies, but

1472
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,760
I like I like it as a Halloween movie, like

1473
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:27,279
put it on in the background of a party. I

1474
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,319
think I've said that numerous times now, which I feel

1475
01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:33,159
bad about, like because but at the same time, like

1476
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:36,279
you said, this is like, this is not a passion project,

1477
01:19:36,359 --> 01:19:38,239
so I don't feel bad saying, hey, put this on

1478
01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:40,199
the background, you don't have to pay attention to it.

1479
01:19:40,319 --> 01:19:42,359
But that's kind of the case.

1480
01:19:43,039 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's barely written. Dialogue is not important because

1481
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,560
it's narrated and the narration just tells you what you're seeing.

1482
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,560
It's not. Yeah, it doesn't add anything to it. Yeah, yeah,

1483
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:55,960
I mean I liked it less than the last time

1484
01:19:55,960 --> 01:20:02,960
I watched it, so I'm ready to considerably lower I believe. Actually,

1485
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,560
maybe I need to recheck that I might have raised

1486
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,399
it up to just a historical interest rating. But the

1487
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,680
rat scene is kind of the best thing about it.

1488
01:20:15,319 --> 01:20:17,880
I like the fact that Bambi Allen's given a nice

1489
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:18,960
sultry role.

1490
01:20:20,319 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 3: Just pool coming out of the cat or coming out

1491
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,439
of the mirror moment. You know, she looks nice.

1492
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's some nice supernatural elements to it

1493
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,199
that are done nice and cheaply, which is always kind

1494
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:36,079
of fun to see. Yeah, it's not. Uh, I don't know.

1495
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:40,319
I wouldn't recommend really anything of Zoltan's to people, except

1496
01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:42,359
for Sisters and Leather, because I think it's a very

1497
01:20:42,399 --> 01:20:45,439
interesting variation on the faster, busy cat, you know, grow

1498
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:50,760
with the hungry eyes tropes of of lesbians going after

1499
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:58,479
disgusting men and making their lives out. So that's that's

1500
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,640
my favorite of his. But yeah, this one is, you know,

1501
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,399
and it's available on that triple feature with Evil Come,

1502
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,239
Evil Go and hand a Pleasure and I mean Evil Come,

1503
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:11,640
Evil Go. Vinegar Syndrome restored that, and you know why

1504
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,720
because they got the Many Comedy Library with an all

1505
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,279
American girl and an all American woman, So they were

1506
01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:18,720
able to restore that because they have the Comedy Library,

1507
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:22,000
so that one has a wider audience. This one does not.

1508
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:25,359
It does, yeh, and hand a Pleasure same thing. Because

1509
01:21:25,399 --> 01:21:27,000
that disc is out of print. I don't know if

1510
01:21:27,039 --> 01:21:29,760
I could recommend you seek that disc out because you

1511
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,560
can get Evil Come, Evil Go. Actually, isn't that out

1512
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,279
of print too? That DVD might be out of print too.

1513
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,439
That one needs to be reissued as well.

1514
01:21:38,319 --> 01:21:41,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to see the Zoltan if you're going

1515
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:44,119
to do it. Put these three together because they do

1516
01:21:44,319 --> 01:21:47,239
play off each other and they have similar scenes. Satanist,

1517
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,439
Tarot Orgy Castle, and hand a Pleasure. I would put

1518
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,359
them together because yeah, or do a double feature with

1519
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:56,840
Satanist and Tarot Orgy Castle because a lot of the

1520
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,359
shots are even similar, you know, with the girl laying

1521
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,520
on the alter with their head back, that's the exact

1522
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,479
same shot in both movies. So I mean there's not

1523
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,079
a lot of creativity here, but it is fun to

1524
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:11,039
see those mirrored like ones black and white, One's color,

1525
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:11,720
but then.

1526
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 2: Also Danish and Blue and Hand to Pleasure and Terror

1527
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,159
or Jay Castle have the St. Andrew's cross in them. Yeah,

1528
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,640
that's the through line for those three, and they all

1529
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:27,800
start William Howard. That makes more sense William box set. Yeah,

1530
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,479
nobody cares, not even William Howard if he's still alive,

1531
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,000
we want it. But yeah, I mean this is another

1532
01:22:34,039 --> 01:22:38,079
situation of like we've talked about the potential for just

1533
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:41,840
like Criterion style Eclipse style box sets. So just like

1534
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:48,239
just dump these on in a package in like slim cases,

1535
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,920
no real extras, maybe an essay. That's it. They don't

1536
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,840
need to be super special editions, but at least they're

1537
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,079
out there, and it's a very interesting little pocket of

1538
01:22:58,279 --> 01:23:03,600
sexploitation in the California industry, just because of his background

1539
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,039
and the fact that he was an interesting person, whether

1540
01:23:07,119 --> 01:23:09,039
his movies are good or not. I think Barry Mayhon's

1541
01:23:09,079 --> 01:23:11,399
the same way He's an interesting guys. Movies just aren't

1542
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:11,800
very good.

1543
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't remember how long I had been unconscious, but

1544
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:23,960
when I awoke, the hall was empty except for Lisa

1545
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:25,399
and myself.

1546
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,399
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