Speaker 1: We're all owned by the Syndicate Body and Soul or
should I just say bunny?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 3: Filthy movie lovers, Something Weirdos and Anti Criterion rose to
the twenty third episode of The Sin Syndicate, the only
podcast that knows to never take a holiday in East
Europe and that no bacchanal is complete without a rat show.
My name is Gentry Austen, writer and researcher, and I'm
here with my co host, adult film historian Casey Scott.
And in today's episode, we will be continuing and concluding
our herodic Halloween series with a brief visit to see
the Countess and her sick friends in Zulton. G Spencer's
sexploitation horror film nineteen seventy one's Terror at orgy.
Speaker 1: Castle satur nine brings a new dimension to the adult
film Terror at orgy Castle. You will follow American tourists
Lisa and Bill as their European holiday turns into a
nightmare of horror and perversion. You will join the midnight
orgy of the Strange Ones in Terror at orgy Castle.
You will spy on the bizarre sex rights of the
Countess Dominova. In Terror at Orgie Castle. You will witness
forbidden scenes of witchcraft and black magic in Terror at
org Castle.
Speaker 3: But first a few news items and updates. I think
it's best to start with the AGFA Herschel Gordon Lewis
kickstarter that recently launched. This has kind of turned into
like this exploitation news update hour, hasn't it. But that's fine.
Speaker 2: I think that's great. I think it's great.
Speaker 3: Who else is doing that, right?
Speaker 2: Nobody? Yeah, it's great. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the Herschel Gordon Lewis kickstarter has begun, and there
has been a little bit of confusion. I know we
talked about it internally, but I've also gotten some messages
from people and seen some comments as well regarding sort
of the rewards and what is being funded. So maybe
we can kind of help clarify that, because I think
it's best to look at it as your funding the
equipment needed to restore these films.
Speaker 2: Sort of. I mean, I'm confused. I need to read
the description of that. In terms of equipment. They have
a scanner, so if they're trying to get a new scanner,
I don't understand that. If it's like if it's you know,
shopkeeping stuff or you know, housekeeping stuff or whatever. In
terms of I don't know, archiving the materials or something.
I mean, they're currently they have a scanner that they're
using on the regular, so I'm not sure. And I
think it was a forest cake scanner that they bought
if I was If I'm not correct, So I think
it's an important project. I need to uh, I need
to figure out how much I'm donating. But yeah, they
did a fundraiser similar to this in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: Which I mean was a while ago. That's, you know.
Speaker 2: Sure, but I mean Vinology using the same scanner that
they also got from a fundraiser that was like over
a decade ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think they've updated their machine because they don't
need to, at least far as I know.
Speaker 3: I think the confusion arises because I think people are
used to, you know, you fund something, then you get
something back, like a movie. In this case, you're not
necessarily getting a movie back for your funding. There are
other tier rewards offered, but you're helping to you're helping
ACVA move forward in their restoration process. And I think
there was also I had some messages like well, AGVA
acts like nothing of Herschel's has been restored yet, like
Aero did the huge the Herschel box set, and this
is films that were not included mostly in that box set,
plus ones that were but their UHD upgrades. So this
is something very different than what Aero put out.
Speaker 2: Right, I need to well, you know the interesting thing
about that aerowbox set. I should have checked that was
they have details about what their restoration process was for
each of those movies, Like they'll tell you if they
use the original negative, they'll tell you what they scanned
it in two K four K, So four K might
exist on some of these already, and it's just they
don't have access to those scans because I mean maybe
Ero has them or something. So yeah, I think it's
tough for them to offer like physical copies of these
because they don't have like a schedule for all this stuff,
so they don't know what the plans are for the reason. Yeah, yeah,
it's more of a it's more of a fundraiser for
like an idea of what they're going to do rather
than anything tangible right now, which I think is a
tough sell. But I think there's there should be enough
people that are excited about this stuff. There's enough hercional
fans qucially in the horror community that I think you
should be able to donate a little something, And they
have when's the date? When's the date that that ends?
Speaker 3: I think it's November first, So yeah, less than a month,
a little less than a month, okay, Yeah, but I'm
excited about the list that they have because you know,
they're given some love to the new dqts, which hopefully
they can pull some color off those negatives that they have.
Speaker 2: Right well, features playmates. I think the negative was incomplete
on that. Yeah, and they had to use they had
to pull something from sixteen for That's something weird dvd R,
so that one might be tough. But yeah, obviously I'd
love to see all of them so I can ditch
my dvdrs.
Speaker 3: That would be great and miss nimphit zappen. Give us
a call. Casey and I are super fans, the only
fans of that film.
Speaker 2: It's just us and Marshall christ I believe, right, Yeah,
I like that movie. I people need to around on it. Yes,
I agree, But yeah, it's like just turn That's like
we talked about this, Just turn your brain off. Turn
your brain off with that. It's just sexy, stupid fun yes,
with a lot of really familiar exploitation people obviously having.
Speaker 3: A many yes. Yeah, so up on our list. Next,
we've got a couple birthdays, tell us Casey.
Speaker 2: We have one birthday, well, one from New York, one
for New York, and one for California. Peggy saw No
turns eighty seven today on the day we're recording this,
October eleventh, Peggy Love Peggy, one of our patrons saints obviously,
and then Renee Bonds Rest in Peace. Today is her
birthday as well, And that's kind of interesting. But I
didn't know they had the same birthday until I was
just digging around today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they never really crossed pass, did they.
Speaker 2: No, there was never any Yeah, no, because she was
always because Renee was always California, even when she made
her come back in the seventies, and Joe never really
went out to California, No, so, and she never went
to New York like a bunch of other people did,
because that didn't start until considerably later when she wasn't
in the business anymore.
Speaker 3: How old would Renee have been? Did you do the math?
Speaker 2: She was born in nineteen fifty, so she would have
been what is that seventy five? Yeah, she would have
been seventy five today.
Speaker 3: But not least Yeah. We got a comment from a
listener that I wanted to talk to you briefly about.
His comment was kind of about how we had talked
about Vinegar Syndrome kind of moving a little bit away
from softcore exploitation, and there's been a lot of meluc
In releases from the hardcore line, and he was actually
just wanted to point out that how he looks at
it is he's trying to prioritize those hardcore films, like
purchasing those and supporting those because of the current kind
of state that the country is in right now regarding
censorship and pornography. And it was kind of something I
hadn't thought about, which is, what if, you know, this
censorship gets stronger and to the point where these companies
aren't even able to release these through home video. I
hadn't really thought about that. Is that something that you
see as a possibility or.
Speaker 2: That no, that doesn't because I mean, they already had
to move over to a separate website because of a
credit card process. Are saying they weren't going to they
weren't gonna accept their business unless they stop selling sex movies.
So they've already had to cave to people before this
current administration. This was several years ago now at this point.
The good thing is that they i mean, they started
with sex films. They're going to continue to release sex films.
They started with with hardcore and soft together. That Herschel
Gordon Lewis release had soft and hard on it, I think.
And the good thing is they are still putting out
software stuff, which is great. It's just my frustration is
that their stuff that they got years ago that is
just sitting there, and the software stuff they're releasing is not.
It's kind of they're kind of new, newer acquisitions. Meanwhile
this stuff is sitting there. That's mostly my concern. It's like, well,
finish what you started. You you got this stuff. Why
did you get this stuff if you're not going to
do anything with it, don't do something with what you
have before you start doing something brand new with something
else with another library, you know. I mean, yeah, I
keep forg getting that that is something that is a
target of conservatives is the sex business. Because I mean,
there are there are adult movie people that I know
that are Republican, that are a Zionists, and so I'm
just like, yeah, I keep forgetting that there is a
threat there because there are people in the industry that
like actively endorse this administration. So sure, Yeah, their memories
is short because the eighties were not fun and then
the nineties were not fun. So yeah, it's not something
I think about just because of the fact that there
are Republicans in the industry and there are conservatives in
the industry that I guess will change their mind once
they realize that they're going to be targeted. Yeah, I
wanted to get your I mean, definitely support those releases.
I mean I support those releases in general anyway, just
because we don't want them to go away. Yeah, I mean,
if they I would be more concerned they decided they're
not going to do them anymore at all, because then
that would be ultimately like well, well that is always
the running out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it becomes like is this too hard or like
is this too you know, where it gets to the
point where they're like they're tired of jumping through hoops
to make this happen, like switching credit card providers and
you know, yeah, they just make it such a headache
some business. They're just like it's not worth it.
Speaker 2: You know, right when eBay used to sell adult stuff
and then they announced they were they were getting rid
of the mature audience to section because they were just like, well,
we don't want to deal it. Then PayPal didn't want
to cover it. PayPal didn't want to cover those payments either.
So we've had to deal with conservative bullshit before this administration.
During more liberal administrations or you know, people will go
ape shit, it's like, well it secks now. So I
think it's something that we've always had to deal with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I always see that
on online forms where people are like, how do I
resell my you know, my adult movies?
Speaker 2: Where do I go? I have huge piles of stuff.
I'm like, I don't know how to get rid of
this one. You would even have craigslists where you could
be able to list up on Craigslist. Now that's difficult
because it's still around barely, but it's you know, it's yeah,
I don't know how to get this stuff. I need
to talk to Mark Murray about that. Actually, Mark Murray
is the guy at ultra flush archives, and he's doing
restorations of like eight millimeter loops because that's something Vinegar
Stromer doesn't do unfortunately. So, uh, he gets massive collections,
and I just don't know where he's getting I'm sure
he has his ways or people reaching out to him.
But if there are people in the market for this stuff,
then I need to find those people and upload some
of this stuff. There's a lot of stuff that I
don't need anymore, don't want anymore. Somebody does, though, I
don't want to throw it away. Actually, if anyone's listening,
I should make a list and just make it available.
Speaker 1: I was about to witness the most bizarre site I
have ever seen in my life.
Speaker 3: What are we? What have we got here? So if
we put some clips up, we Casey wanted to throw
on some drag attire today. I dug through all my beans.
I couldnot find anything, not a single wig, not a
single mask. I am the most boring white boy live.
So I do have this this Bowser super Mario Brothers,
Bowser Onesie I could throw on. I think that's great,
all right, thank you, thank you for I think something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's Halloween. It's like just do a
little dress up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we can throw this up there. What's your
drag name, Casey, do you have one?
Speaker 2: What is this character Fay Hummer? Because and actually I
took that from the name of a oh I actually
won't say that on the internet. Okay, I took it
from the name of a deceased person, but put it
that way, and I was like, that's a real name. Okay,
nothing no puns really well, Hummer is a pun, yeah,
or not a pun. It's just a reference to oral sex.
But I mean yeah, and they is like, I like,
I like old names. They don't hear anymore, like Dorothy
and Rose, all the Golden Girls really yeah anymore? Yeah,
old women names, Agnes, Yeah, those kind of names. Shirley Edwards, Shirley.
You don't hear really Shirley anymore. That is an old name. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I when I was thinking about this movie after
rewatching it, I was like, well, is this going to
be a short one? You know, just like the movie,
is this going to be a short episode? But you know,
looking at our notes again, I'm like, well, there's always
a lot to dig into. It's surprisingly a large amount
of interesting backstory to even the most innocuous, stupid little
horror s exploitation movie. So let's get into it. Well,
first of all, this is streaming on cult Picks, and
this might be something we can actually talk about because
what's the license.
Speaker 2: In satire Satire nine production? So okay, it's in. It's
in the Many Coonde Library and it's in the Manicondi Library.
It was not a Many Condy production. I think people
added his name all over us saying he produced these movies.
He collaborated with Zoltan Spencer on these movies, but I
think the financing was coming from Zultan. I mean, he
had a very successful career in industrial film. Manny was
involved technically and and you know, involved in helping them
put it to put together. But I'm not even finding
any evidence he actually distributed them. I think he purchased
them from Crilly before he died, and you know, was
in charge of redistributing them, like they showed up on
vhs before something weird a few of them. So yeah,
they are on the Many Coonde library, but they are
not Many Condy productions technically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was part of the Frank hen Latter
Sexy Shockers series. There are. Yeah, Frank has on the
VHS for that. There's quite a florid description. But maybe
I'll read the shorter DVD synopsis. How does that sound?
Speaker 2: M hmm?
Speaker 3: Sure the synopsis is not the smartest couple in the world.
Bill and Lisa spend the last night of their swinging
European vacation at the haunted castle of Spooky Countess domin Nova,
just in time for Bill to make love to a succubus,
Lisa to become the bride of the devil, and everyone
to wallow in some serious terror at Orgy Castle. That's
pretty much it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Frank in his synopsis, notes that this was shot on
the same castle set as Blood of Dracula's Castle Gallery
Horrors an invitation to Ruin, and I don't know what
that set was. It could have been a David Hewitt set, possibly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, that that stairs looks familiar
in this.
Speaker 2: Movie, right, So it's an often used production facility somewhere
in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's Saturn nine. Is everything, I mean, it's pretty
much everything that Zoltan put out has that production name
on it. Correct. Is there any that weren't Saturda.
Speaker 2: Night The only one that wasn't was All the Way
Down was not. That was his first film that he did,
and that was a collaboration with Edge Priest and Paul Hunt.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, what's the history. I wonder why he chose
that name. I mean it fits because a lot of
his output is kind of horror themed or kind of
yeah esoterica. Yeah, an interesting name.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know I have any info on where
he got that name from. But Spence is Spencer is
his real middle name, So that's real, and he is
his actual initial to his actual first name, which is George.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about Zoltan because he's uh, he's
got something guy backed some interesting background. Where do we start? Yeah, well, first.
Speaker 2: Of all, yeah, I start the beginning. Yeah, so he
was born Yeah, I mean he was born nineteen twenty
four in Chicago, Illinois. Though, so I commune. I was
communicating with his niece Adrian for a couple of years,
and she really was helpful for providing some information and
some photos of him over the years. She says he
was born nineteen twenty three, so that year might be
more accurate. Okay, So he initially went to USC for journalism,
and he was involved with the Wampus Humor magazine there,
and he was involved with the humor magazine because he
had a background as a magician and a comedian, so
he would he performed like the Magic Castle in Hollywood, like,
so he would mix comedy in humor into his magic acts.
So he had this background as an entertainer on stage
in front of an audience, and so he kind of
brought that to his background in journalism because the Wampus
magazine is the USC humor magazine, or at least it was.
I don't know if it's sell around anymore. But then
he transferred to UCLA and he was actually one of
the first graduates of their new film program. So as
try as I could, I could not find I need
to search the actual UCLA archives to see if they
have any information about like a student film of his
or anything that he did. But before he graduated, he
actually was found a gig in Canada, of all places.
So he went up to Canada and he did a
film called No Barriers, which is a film for a
company called Vancouver Motion Pictures, and that was sometime in
the late forties early fifties, and then he eventually moved
and relocated to Calgary in nineteen fifty five, and he
was Calgary for a little over a decade and produced
seventy films while he lived there, and they were really
all industrial and documentary films. Yeah, and he won two
Canadian Film Awards while he was while he was there,
for he won Best Traveling Recreation Film in nineteen fifty
eight for a movie called Stampede Stopover, and then he
won Best Public Relations Film for a movie called Arctic
Island Wildcat, which was about a company, the Peter Boden
Drilling Company and they're drilling in the Arctic. So he
had he initially had one production company that was called
Master Film Studios and then eventually he just changed it
to the much more simple Spence Crilly Motion Picture Productions.
And he had a full staff, he had an in
house cameraman, you know, he had. I don't know when
this company closed, and I don't know if he kept
it open when he relocated back to the state. So
I'm trying to find that information.
Speaker 3: But so another guy that started out in industrial films,
right man.
Speaker 2: It's another Chucks, It's another Yeah, it's yeah, a lot
of these I mean it's a really good stopping ground.
I mean, Herschel, Gordon and Lewis started in industrial films. Yeah,
a lot of major people started industrial films. So he
also made like travelog films as part of this. So
he eventually found a successful kind of business going on
the lecture circuit. So he would show up with movies
of location footage that he shot in different countries, like
for example, he went to Budapest, Copenhagen and footage from
the Copenhagen movie is in Danish and Blue Athens in
the Islands, Warsaw Today or just a few of those examples,
and he would try he kept traveling around the country
when he wasn't shooting movies in Los Angeles and would
show up and do like lectures about travel and the
different places he which film. I found evidence of been
doing that as late as nineteen seventy two, So like
he kept doing that and he was very successful doing it.
Speaker 3: Well, that makes sense because hands a pleasure. There's all
that London footage.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he shot a movie called London or London,
which that's that footage is from there. That's why it
doesn't look like stock footage. You know that the stock
is pretty much the same. You can't tell it doesn't
look like stock footage he bought. It's the same type
of film that he shot hand a pleasure on and
I think this one as well. All the castle footage
exterior is likely all from a castle that he shot
in Europe somewhere. Yeah, it might have even been like
Budapest or someplace in Hungary in eastern Europe. And then
he came back and was like, yeah, let's let's let's
shove this into this movie to give make it look
like this was actually shot overseas, right, So he actually
enters exploitation through his brother in law, which is very
interesting because his brother in law was Don Brown. So
Don Brown, like Ron Garcia who we talked about, started
out in surfing films or no, I'm sorry, like Paul Hunt.
Paul Hunt started in in surfing films in the early
sixties and that's how he and Edd Priest met and
then they both formed Canyon Films in the late sixties.
So through Don Brown and his surfing film experience with
the Priest and Hunt, Spence kind of fell into the
into this exploitation business and did this movie called All
the Way Down, which is terrible, but it's Pat Barrington.
So if people want to see Pat Barrington again, he did.
I think he did three films with her. Yeah, she
was like a go to person. Don Brown is interesting
because then he went on to become Bob Vossi, which
I think most people know him now because he did
a lot of the He did a lot of sweetish
erotica loops. He did Debbie Do's Dishes, which is great,
and so he was in expetation for a while through
Edd Priest and Paul Hunt as well. So that was
so all the way down was dial for Films, so
that was handled by Canyon Films, and so was his
second film, which is The Tropic of Scorpio and Tropic
of Scorpio which is lost is working at Manny Condy
because Manny Condy was the camera operator on that. So
something must have clicked between these two because after the
Canyon Films experience with Edd to Priest and Paul Hunt,
he and Manny split off to do to do the
Saturn nine productions. So The Satanist was the first Saturn
nine production and that was lost forever until it was
just recently found by I believe Garaje Haas films. Harry
Garrow would Exhume films I believe and came out on
Blu Ray, which is now out of print, but that
was distributed by a Limbing International, so that actually got
really good bookings because Cressy could get you know, even
the cheapest looking crap into like the Pussycat Theaters and
other major bookings because Cressy had good connections from there. Though.
The Saturn nine films, all the rest of Spencer's films
are Saturn nine films, so like Sisters and Leathers, Screen
Test Girls, Danish and Blue Trot, org Castle and Hand
of Pleasure, so all of those are ones that he
made with Many Conde doing cinematography and probably editing as well,
because Manny had editing suites at his production facility. So yeah,
he for some reason stopped working after hand a pleasure
he stopped doing. He stopped making sex movies after hand
a pleasure. He stayed in touch with many. He still
stayed in touch with many Condy. He was in the
Dictator before he died. He developed a brain tumor and
died in nineteen seventy six in Los Angeles, very you know,
quite young. So he died before there was any kind
of rediscovery of his work, before anybody could even connect
that Sultan Spencer and Spence Curly were the same person
anywhere like it. I'm trying to remember how that came
out that they were the same person. Probably an interviewed
with Kressy or somebody who worked with him, maybe many CONDI.
Speaker 3: Yes, seventy six. Yeah, he long before any of this
stuff was re seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's like forty two forty three when he died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he appears a way older though. Yeah, he
appears in a few of his movies, sometimes behind a
mask but sometimes not.
Speaker 2: Oh. Actually, I did the math wrong. Fifty three okay,
because he's born in nineteen twenty, so he died in
nineteen seventy six. So yeah, he was like fifty three,
fifty four, fifty two to fifty three years old. Yeah,
he's hand a pleasure with a mask. Is the bad guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder. I don't know how brain tumors work.
I feel like a lot of times it comes on
kind of suddenly. But I wonder if the effects of
his brain tumor, you know, he was feeling them a
lot earlier, and that's why he just he was done
and you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know after he's in The Dictator, which was
shot seventy six, came out in seventy seven. Oh yeah,
so yeah still so I mean a brain tumor is
also I mean it also I think it's cancerous. So
it probably took a while. Yeah, they might have. I
don't know if it was detected early. I don't know
if it was detected late. That's something I haven't really
talked to to his niece about that much.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, something yeah that really jumps off the screen with
Zoltan for me is that, Yeah, that magic background and
the performing background. And in a few of the films,
I think that the humor comes through, especially with Hands
of Pleasure. I think the humor is more apparent than
that than some of the more horror themed ones like
this one. There's not I mean, there's a little humor.
I don't know how much it's intentional or unintentional.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think it's intentional. Yeah, and Danish
and Blue has like some little humor. Screen Test Girls
has humor. This is a New Leather doesn't, and All
the way down doesn't. So yeah, I feel like he's
at least trying to have fun with these movies that
he's clearly just making for profit. There's nothing that I
can see that's like personal or passionate about this. They're
all very like, they're very similar to Mayhon that the
camera's just like set up, yeah, and the film runs
through the camera, which is also surprising for many Conedy
because many Conty was a good photographer. So I think
for both of them, we're just like, let's just make
these super quick, yeah, and we can turn a profit
really quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Hearing about his background doing sort of nature and industrial
films and in Canada, I'd be curious to see those,
just to see how they're directed, how the camera is
set up, because again, I mean those are sometimes static
as well, but a lot of times there is a
little bit more movement. But yeah, these are his films
for Saturn nine. Are they're not visually too exciting?
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, I don't. They're very very challenging
to get through. If you're in if there's in a
frame of mind where you want things to happen, you're
going to be very frustrated.
Speaker 3: Yes, But I do like how they is that diplomatic
enough yes, that is, but again like revisiting them again
this week, it's I do like how they do feel
again like a sort of a shared universe of you know,
we joked about seeing that what's.
Speaker 2: The Cross that you called it the uh Andrew's Cross.
Speaker 3: Yes, St Andrew's Cross appears in three films at least,
and there's the Pat Barrington connection where she is kind
of his his go to girl, and I think that
he shoots her fairly well in some of these. I know,
in Satan and Satanist.
Speaker 2: I really like.
Speaker 3: Pat Barrington in that one. I think it might be
one of my favorite Pat Barrenton roles. Actually interesting.
Speaker 2: But yeah, or anything about that. I mean, I I
got rid of that Blu ray a while ago because
I was just like, I will never revisit this, even
the Sisters well, and I kind of mean we needed
again for Sisters and Leather, which was a bonus feature
on that. Yeah, Sisters and Leather, I prefer I think
Sisters and Leather is probably his most enjoyable movie now
that I think about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it's the most If I was
gonna recommend one if somebody, yeah, exactly. But I know
when we were talking about discussing this. Was it you
or Alex that was like, Yeah, if you're going to
pick one horror movie from Zoltan, you should do Tarot
Orgie Castle because Satanists is it mostly takes place in
like apartment looking rooms, not like an actual castle. But
now that I've watched them both again, I kind of
like the Satanist better.
Speaker 2: But interesting. Yes, I don't remember anything about the Satanists.
I gave it two stars, which is dreadful. Yeah, I mean,
it's just that's what I gave for love is a
for a letter word. It's like it's fine, Like it's not.
It's nothing that I would ever watch again. It's more
or less when I got rid of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a suburban Satanist gothic, whereas Tarot Orgy Castle is like, yeah,
you can put this on at the background of your
Halloween party and it will do a good job of
setting the mood.
Speaker 2: I think probably. I mean also reminds me of like, uh,
I don't know, I need to I need to look
at what the release history was for requand for a
Vampire when I came out here as cage versions. But
it does remind me of that kind of like, you know,
that kind of atmosphere of like a genre la film
in an old spooky castle. I mean, there are obviously
a lot of Gothic imports from like Italy and even
Germany and France. Around that time.
Speaker 1: I'd read of ancient witches luring a young couple to
their black rights and defiling the woman before the helpless
eyes of our man. We were modern victims of this
medieval torment.
Speaker 3: Did you say how you became friends with Adrian his niece?
Was it just through a random message?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember who it was through, because I
didn't know. I wasn't researching him for anything, because I
was not. I I'm not a I'm not a huge
fan of his work. I find his work, I find
his story interesting. I don't find the films that interesting.
I'd like to see what else he did outside of
this genre. I'm trying to remember. I might have been
put in touch with her by George Reese, my former
editor at DVD drive in maybe or Steven o'tero, who's
another guy who was doing his lot to do lots
of research and does you know different things on IMDb
and stuff. I don't remember. It's been like a decade
since I wasn't put in touch with her.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, before we move on to like some of
the performers. So what you can remember of the Zoltan filmography,
how would you rank them? Let's let's do a little
rank putting you on the spot.
Speaker 2: No, the first would definitely be Sisters and Leather and
then hand a Pleasure, then terratorg Castle in Danish and
Blue Uh, the Satanist and all the way down, and
then screen test Girls at the bottom.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, tell me about screen Test Girls. I haven't
been able to see that one yet.
Speaker 2: It's so bad. It's just it's just a bunch. It's
just two cute girls that come into interview to get
into movies, and it's just putting them into different scenarios.
Speaker 3: It's a sleazy producer movie. It's one of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not interesting. It's just it's there's no
there's no there's no drive to it, there's no characterization.
It's just kind of like, Okay, we're gonna put you
in this mood, this scene as a screen test on
a couch, and then you're gonna roll our naked Okay,
we're gonna put you in the screen test on a
bed with a guy, and then I'm gonna put send
my secretary in to have sex with the guys so
you can watch her and learn lessons. Okay, I'm gonna
put you two the girls together now as your last
as your last screen test. It's just a bunch of
screen tests. Yeah, and it's boring. Why not good?
Speaker 3: Why is there a gorilla in on the image from
something weird?
Speaker 2: Because one of the auditions is she gets she gets
chained up, and a guy in a gorilla suit, like
you know, mauls her. And that's not even interesting. It's
not the bride and the beasts. It's not. Yeah, it's
not it's not fun or interesting. So I would put that.
And the girls aren't that great. One of them is Mary.
I think it's Mary Jane Shippin. He's a few other things.
Philip single, who I love is the barb is the secretary.
She's fine, but she's clearly just like whatever, let's get
this over with. You know. You know, Zoltan appears with
his back to the camera the whole time, and that's it, Like,
there's nothing else exciting about it. That's why, at least
all the way down has Pat Barrington going for it,
so there's some visual appeal. That's why screen Test Girls
is the rock bottom worst. It's just so okay, Yeah,
it's a total waste of time. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And Danish and Blue has Suzanne Fields.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's a very good role for her. Yes.
And William Howard, who's the star and this is the
star and that he's the guys that goes to well,
and it's interesting. That one is interesting because the first
scene is an exotic dancer, this beautiful black exotic dancer
who is then revealed to be a man, and that's
the very first scene. But the revelation that it's a
man is not the punchline. The dance continues to go
on with this gender bending in a sexual way. It's
not like, oh, she's a man, Oh no, what are
we gonna do? Even the narration it's kind of like,
oh wow. I mean, I'm still watching this performance and
I'm st really turned on by him or her or whatever,
and it's just like, Okay, this is the scene. Know
your audience. I don't know how an audience would react
to that, but there is a lot of interesting gender stuff.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that well, and.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was. I don't know if
I has had aosexual or gay, I don't know. I
don't know. He died way early. Not married doesn't mean
anything because well prost at least had a daughter. Not
married is is not indicator of anything. But yeah, I
don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of transformations.
Speaker 2: From Taron has the count just turning into account for
no reason.
Speaker 3: Like yep, it's usually female to Mayle too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very it's very interesting. There's a gay editor
in screen test Girls that one of the girls tries
to seduce and it doesn't work. Yeah, Christs and others
is lesbians. H Yeah, it's just it's interesting. It's very interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, and William Howard the way he films him too,
it's see like I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, have a scene where William Howard, in his tidy
whities and hind of pleasure, has to like lolk him down,
I know, and it's kind of like, Okay, was this
your Is this your man? The guy you were into?
You gave him three pretty good starring roles.
Speaker 3: In all with full frontal correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, so it's very interesting. He gotta last onto this guy.
In particular, and gave him these three roles and centered
three movies around him essentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Let so let's talk about William Howard because yeah he is. Yeah,
if experience is like the female star of the Sultan movies,
William Howard is kind of the male star.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was in three of them. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Terrible. I mean, I've never liked him because as someone
who has had to watch tons of really shitty early
hardcore movies, he's in so many of them, and he's
bad in all of them. So I don't find him
magnetically compelling at all, even in these Zultan Spencer movies.
So I'm kind of like Spence, I don't get it,
but you know whatever, I mean, there were more active
guys at that time that he probably could have cast better.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, maybe he's just not your type because I
think he's like a very stereotypically like good looking guy
to most people. I don't know, just.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, Gene Rowland is around at this time,
Gerard Burard is around at this time, Like if you
wanted like a handsome brunette, they're way better. He could
have gone with them, and they were also doing a
lot of work around that time. So but then so
was he. William Howard keeps showing up in these things,
and he's always bad and he he's not a good
sexual performer either in the hardcore stuff.
Speaker 3: So even in this this softcore stuff, like they're always
like he's zooming in on his like O face. It's
like all these movies, I feel like I've seen his
old face like more times than I need to, or
his fake O face whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, well, I mean I've seen his real
O face too. It's not it's the same face.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two good movies. And there it's Diary of My
Secret Life, which is great, which is kind of like
a period piece, which is shockingly good considering it's a
pretty low budget. And that Love Secrets of the Kama Sutra.
Uh he is, Oh, who is his sex scene within that?
It might be Kathy Hilton, I think, oh, okay, yeah,
but those are the only two I would ever recommend
for William Howard because he's not that in Diary of
My Secret Life.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he was one of those actors that made
that transition no problem, I guess, from soft to hard.
I mean, and you can see it in some of
these old Tan movies, like He's they're going pretty far
with it as far as they could, playing with angles
and I don't know, there's a few scenes in Hand
of Pleasure which are really close, really cool.
Speaker 2: That's true with Terry Johnson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Terry, him and Terry Johnson just like fucking
like rabbits in that movie. I think it's like.
Speaker 2: Part of the like, Okay, can we get back to
what's going on? Right? Well, that's another thing. And then
he's in Dragon.
Speaker 3: That Oh yeah he's got that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I'm just like Spence Spence has
I'd like to know more, you know, I'd like to
know more about Spence than when his proclivities were.
Speaker 3: Well that's the niece.
Speaker 2: About that, I think. So he's very open. I just
the thing is, I don't know if she would know.
You know, she was young when he died, so I
don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, so yeah, that's William. What's what else is there
to say? He's uh, he's terrible.
Speaker 2: That's enough.
Speaker 3: But Bamby Allen, can we agree that we.
Speaker 2: Like great love? Bamby Allen? Rest in Peace? Very early
victim of silicone implants leading to cancer, and she actually
got got a got a funeral services notice in Box
Office magazine, which is really something because you know, by
that time she was pretty well established as a dancer,
in a in a model and an actress. I mean
she she worked with everybody, and she was very easy
to get along with. Her reputation was very good. She
was kind of like a ren A Bond and that
people knew they were going to get someone who would
show up, do the work, be pleasant to have around. Yeah,
Gary Ken has good stories about her, and there's yeah,
there's a there's a lot of people that really liked
working with her. And so when she died that was
very it was a big, you know, surprise everybody. She had.
She left a daughter behind, she was a mother and
she was doing some of these films. I don't know
how old when she passed away the daughter was, but
it's on her tombstone beloved daughter and mother.
Speaker 3: So what year did she get her implants?
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Early? Because she's I think she has them in Satan Satus,
which is nineteen sixty nine. So there are some films
you can see very early where she doesn't have them.
It's kind of any bond situation where you can see
there are ones pre implants and there's post implants, when
most of them are post implants. She also had implants
and fabulous bassword from Chicago in that where she plays
like a in that she plays a temperance protester or something.
She's protesting alcohol. She's like a prohibition era like protesting alcohol.
And she gets sexually assaulted, of course, because these movies
are terrible in that way. And yeah, her bodice or
whatever gets ripped off, and she has very vivid implants,
So bad casting for someone who's supposed to be a
conservative religious personal.
Speaker 3: Implants, playing against the you know, plane into the hypocrisy there.
Speaker 2: I don't know, they're not that smart. No, what are
you making that movie? Is that smart? Yeah? But she
was also from Chicago, just like just like Spence, so
she was she was Yeah, she was in her thirties
because she she's born thirty eight, so she was actually
thirty one when she was in Satan Satus because I
was sixty nine. But she also was Linda and Linda
Abilene for hershel Wardon Lewis, she was Miss Nymphit and
Miss Niphit Zappen she was in Bang Bang Gang, which
she just watched and liked. Yea, she was in she
was in Drifter but right before she died, which was
pat Roco's bisexual film. Three movies for Adamson. Yeah, so
she worked for everybody. She also had a good part
in an Adam twelve episode as an abused mother, which
you can see screenshots of her on IMDb. She has,
you know, dialogue and good close ups and stuff. And
then her daughters played by Don Lynn who's Leif Garrett's sister,
and they are both in Double Times five.
Speaker 3: So yeah, she's got around so much stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she's butchered and sisters in Leather for Spence,
which is very memorable. She's very good in that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: She was in William Ratzler's She Did what She She
did what he wanted. I watched that recently too, that
adult movie Early Adult.
Speaker 2: I think that's I think it's like early footage too,
because I think.
Speaker 3: He might have been dream footage. But yeah, she's always
a welcome presence. I can't think of any movie of
hers that really she didn't. I feel like she didn't
get too many like big highlighted starring roles other than yeah,
Lyndon Abilene is one.
Speaker 2: And miss Nympha is the other one and miss Nimphitt.
Speaker 3: But I mean that's like not a like plot driven movie.
Speaker 2: No, but I mean you did that was like what
the second post that you put up on Instagram when
we started the new Instagram was her? Yeah, so Bambi
Allen already a presence on the syn syndicate. It's a
good point. Yeah, yeah, I mean she's she's very good.
She's very good with comedy. I think it's a situation
where she was good, but I don't know if people
knew how to use her. I feel like people just
liked her enough that they wanted her on the set
and they were like, well, we have something for you.
Just come and show up and it'll be fun. And
you can tell that she I think had fun whenever
and with whatever she was doing. I mean she made
a lot of turns too. But I think the fact
that people still wanted to work with her says a
lot like that Britt Blazer thing where she starts as
Britt Blazer, which is not good. Well, that's another lead
role for her which is just not worthy of any
talent she had to offer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this clip that you have in our show notes,
is that for Box Office that Bamby Allen that notice.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, she's buried at Mount Sinai Memorial Cemetery in
Los Angeles with a really nice tombstone that says her
real name is her real name was Rosalie Rbson, but
the tombstone says Rosalie Bamby Rbson. It's nice. Yea Bamby
is on her headstone. Yeah, So I wonder if Bambi's
worthy of more research because the really is, there's not
a lot dunk because she passed away so early, it's
tough to find more info about her, Like I'd like
to know about the rest of her family potentially. And yeah,
I feel like because she died so early and she
never did hardcore, I think that someone like a Renee
Bond or a Sandy Carey who also got implants, kind
of over overtook her and they got lucky they didn't have,
you know, the bad ending that she did, or even
Jane Centis who's in this also got implants she was
just very unlucky and that she was an early casualty
of like bad implants that that that she got cancer from.
Speaker 3: I mean, was there a lawsuits? I mean, what.
Speaker 2: Happened, Not that I can find. They don't. They don't
really do that. Medical metor practice lawsuits were not a
thing then really that's that's the thing of Now, yeah
that's not really a thing.
Speaker 3: Then that's sad. Yeah, but yeah, I mean I won't
go there. Guardian name plants. Let's talk about Well, I
was just gonna say, like, I don't feel like her implants. Look,
they don't look bad. I think that they compared to
some I've seen.
Speaker 2: They do and several features look bad, I think because
they hadn't settled. I think Rene Bond had the same problem.
And also, I mean there are a few other people.
Jane centis every every woman that I know that I
had implants. At that time, they were rare in to
go to show them off because it was going to
get them more work, obviously, and so their first few
movies after they get you can tell Pat Barrington same thing.
There are some movies where her influence looks terrible past
because they're brand new and they haven't settled yet, so
they look rock hard, uncomfortable, because I mean this was
early plastic surgery. You know, it wasn't. It had not
developed into what we have now where I think it's
getting harder to tell who has had breast augmentation surgery,
but at that time it was like glaringly obvious. But
I think may have gone through two different, two different
augmentation processes. Actually I don't remember if that's the case,
but that sounds like that might be true. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think about Anita Stringberg. She was in a bunch
of Giallo movies. She had heard always very uncomfortable with those. Yeah,
I have that look that I've noticed the yeah, that
early implant look. And I know I think it was
Ivan Rasimov, one of her co stars, had said that,
you know, in some of those scenes, like they did
not feel right, right. It was so funny about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I remember that interview. But yeah, I
mean it's true. It's like we're dealing with, yeah, early
breast augmentation. It wasn't. It had not developed into what
it is now. So that's unfortant. That's why Bambi was
kind of an unfortunate victim of that, where it was
it had not developed into the you know, the science
and the mega industry that it is now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, poor girl.
Speaker 1: The countess had certainly assembled a freaky collection of friends
or were they too guests in her castle?
Speaker 3: But yeah, Jane Jane, how do you say her last
name to sentence? Jane centis t is silent okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or yeah, the cheeses combined it like tent centus. Yeah.
She's a lot of this stuff and it's not most
of it is not good. She's another one that was
easy to work with, and I think people knew they
could just call her. She hides into a lot of
wigs and a lot of terrible stuff too. I think
most people know her now is miss Hide, an adult
in the adult version of Jacculin Hide. I think that's
probably her biggest role. And then also the she's in
the that movie Sacrilege, which is the Witch, the Witch
movie which was everyone says right down and Stuckler directed it.
I have my doubts. And it was spiced up with
hardcore footage that is not her that she did do
hardcore and other stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, I haven't seen that yet, but yeah, aacrilege, Yeah, sacrilege.
I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2: That's good. Sacrilege. Well, you know, I used to hate
it and I think I rewatched it recently on actually
an agvid disc. They had a I think it is
the one with Devil Insider on it and Satan's Lust. Yeah.
I like Sacrilege. I mean for what it is, it
has good atmosphere. I quite like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you bring that up, because, Yeah, when
we were thinking about movies to cover in October, you know,
there's so many erotic horror, hardcore movies, but there's not
as many softcore sexploitation ones. And yeah, Sacrilege appears to
be a hardcore a horror movie through inserts.
Speaker 2: It was shot soft and then all the sex is
hardcore through inserts because it's seventy one. I think it's
because the seventies the sixties were were, of course a
horror decade. You know, like every decade kind of has
its own modes of horror. So fifties, you know, fifties
was like monsters and things, But sixties, I think the
kind of horror that was around in the sixties is
tough to translate into sex films. In the seventies, I
think it's much easier to kind of adapt things. I
think The Exorcist was a huge Trailblazer. I think Rosemary's
Baby made an impact that eventually followed into the seventies.
But like we're talking about softcorese exploitation, the closest thing
I can think of is trying to make like a
Hitchcock sexy thriller.
Speaker 3: Yep, that was my I was going to say cycles
the big one from sixties.
Speaker 2: Right, trying to think like my Hammer was around in
the sixties, They're not going to do a zombie movie
like Night of the Living Dead. Yeah, they're not going
to do but we really don't have like vampire sexy
movies that comes around in the seventies with like rerec
Rum for a Vampire and the Blood Roses sixty nine.
Vampire Lovers is nineteen seventy, So like mixing sex and
horror in more graphic ways, I think became was more
of a seventies thing. There are definitely other examples, but
I think it became more of a seventies thing, and
that by that time, hardcore was the name of the game.
That's why you have stuff like Angel Above Double Below,
which was shot soft core, and then they added hardcore
inserts or like Devil's Not Devil's Playground Devil's Ecstasy is
another one shot softcore with inserts added. Ganall another one
shot softcore with hardcore inserts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's always in the way to garbage. It's hard
to sometimes spot her because, yes, her face isn't super
distinct right, and she's always got different wigs on.
Speaker 2: But I was looking through only how I was looking through,
I forgot she was an only house in town, and
I was like, oh, right, she's in a red wig.
I don't I can't tell who she is in that. Yeah,
she's very undistinctive, which sounds terrible to say, but that's why,
Like she really stands out in something like Jacqueline Hyde
because she's the only blonde in that movie. Really. Yeah,
and she's given a good, substantial role. But everything else
she's kind of like window dressing. She's not really given
a lot to do in a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh you know, the other one that she's good in
is Evil Calm, Evil Goal, which I watched recently.
Speaker 2: She is very good in that.
Speaker 3: I think that's the best I've seen. But she's the
lesbian girlfriend that. Yeah, I won't any like seventy two was.
Speaker 2: Her year, because that was she was in that and
also Jacqueline Hyde portfolio and then he will come Evil
go also many Kandy and then she was in. Uh,
I love people come in and we go. We could
have talked about that, but we've already done. Manny and
Bob Chen. You know, we all get it when we
take a break from Bob Bob and well, maybe we'll
have Patrick back to talk Evil come me and we
go next next Halloween. Yeah, that would be that would
make sense. Yeah, I know Jane is around. I'm not
going to mention the person who is in touch with
her because I don't know if he wants me to,
but he has let me know. Another researcher, very good
researcher with really good connections and really good research skills,
has advised that she really doesn't remember much about this
period in her life. She doesn't remember specifics about film,
which makes sense because a lot of these are shot quickly.
She made a ton of them. She's not gonna remember stuff.
Apparently she doesn't even remember Jacqueline Hyde that much, which
is very surprising to me. Okay, so there are certain
things that will draw her memory. She has specific memories
about certain films for some reason, and then others not
at all, which doesn't which makes total sense to me.
I think anyone from that era would be that way,
like Casey Lorraine is that way. Yeah, I know that
Rene Bond would be just alive. And Ushi's that way.
Naila Grath is that way. Like you know when you
make that many movies quick like that weekends, Yeah, yeah,
every weekend of your life for several years, like you know,
maybe these quickies, you're not gonna remember everything. You may
remember people, but not you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, does she remember being like the flesh market slave
and below the belt? Probably not?
Speaker 2: Probably not. She showed up, she was topless in a
living room and then went home right like that was Knox.
Three hours of work like there was Yeah, there was
no reason for her to remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah I like Jane and again, yeah, I
really liked her Evil Go. We'll talk about that one
day someday.
Speaker 2: I know she's in Strangers for Sam Weston, which I
just watched, but that's really Starlin' Simon's movie. I don't
remember her that much in that, And then she's also
in Threads of Man for Dick Fontaine, which is it's
interesting that there are so many straight straight industry women
who would then work with like gay filmmakers, So like
Eve Orlon worked with Fred Halstead, and you know, Judy
Angel worked with Pat Rocco, and then apparently she was
in Threads of Man for Dick Fontaine, who did Sins
of Rachel and a lot of other gay stuff in
the seventies. So yeah, just ways the industry kind of
those two industries kind of interwove sometimes.
Speaker 1: Lisa had always dreamed of making it in the Castle
and the Old Stones really turned her on.
Speaker 3: Linda Murray is the redhead in this movie. She is
the other suckyest. You have your low rent Debbie Osborne, which.
Speaker 2: Is I guess deb wasn't available like I guess maybe
because she look a lot like her. Yeah, yeah, except
she's not interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah for me, she's not quirking on me and like
Bubba ly and fun, She's just there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just there. And I mean she she's in
the Takers. There's I think that's probably the biggest thing
I remember her from. There's that opening sequence with the
bikers pick up the two hippie chicks. It's her and
Kathy Hilton, and then it's over, and then that part
of the movie's done, and they go, you know, do
the Home Invasion. I don't remember who she was in
Taylor the Dean's Wife because that's Christine Murray's movie. That's
the thing. She works in movies with other people that
easily outshine her. So it's difficult for me to gauge
whether she's any good or not because she's consistently out
shown in star Power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like she's in Flesh Gordon, which is like has
a million yes and everybody and yes, And I think
that might be her real name.
Speaker 2: See that's the great thing about Flesh Gordon because it
wasn't hardcore. Almost everybody on that movie is build under
their real name, with a very few exceptions. So I'm like, okay,
well then I know what her real name is. But
you see in the show notes, how common is that name? Right,
I'm not going to find her, and to be fair,
I don't want to. I really don't care that much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't in anything really, even Flesh Gordon's like
probably her biggest project. How much does she have to
say about it?
Speaker 2: Probably not much, probably nothing. I mean that's the thing.
All these are tiny parts. So it's like a Jane
centis where what is she going to remember really? I mean,
she might be able to tell me who her tell
us who her agent was, which I would find interesting,
but that's you know, yeah, that interesting. I'd rather talk
to the agent's rip all of them. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Well, continue with the girls. There is Jacqueline Lissette. She's
also kind of a Zultan girl.
Speaker 2: She appears she was a Zultan girl and a Mandy
Condy girl.
Speaker 1: Yeap.
Speaker 2: Basically she only did movies for Zultan in Condy.
Speaker 3: And what's her background because she is dark skinned, she's.
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's somebody that Mandy knew or Manny knew.
I don't know, because the fact that she after this
Oultan stuff. She's into other Manny movies that Manny actually
did produce and was involved with so much more than
these two. So yeah, I don't know. She has a
bigger role in Hand to Pleasure, where she's the mad
doctor's assistant. Yeah yeah, but yeah she doesn't really she's
a cool. Look.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a stands out a little bit because it's
not just like another blonde white girl.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I mean going going jumping off
of low rent Debbie Osbourne. She's like a low rent Hodgie.
Speaker 3: Yeah you could say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'm yeah lo lo lo lo loo. I
would rather So she's it's very we have Hodgy at
home and it's this girl. Yeah. It's like, if you
don't have the money to pay for Hodgy, you get
this girl. She's fine. She makes no impression. I mean
that's not every girl in this industry is going to
make an impression, and she just doesn't.
Speaker 3: I think there's one more girl to cover, Tricia Ople.
Speaker 2: She's Tricia Ople. I do like a lot. She makes
shitty movies, but there's something very cute about her.
Speaker 3: So she has that kind of apple face.
Speaker 2: Yes, and she's also very distinctive. You can pick her
out of the lineup. Always blonde, you know, very apple cheeks.
She's kind of like a blonde Renee Bond, but not
as cute. There's a similar vibe to Tricia Ople and
her stuff. This is one of her only softcore movies.
She was almost exclusively hardcore and not very good at
as a sexual performer. I have to be honest, but
she has good movies on her resume, like she did
Sex and the Comics and all American Hustler in the
miss let Genie, which is good. I think she might
have been married to Dick Burns because her real name,
or the name's credited on on Flesh Gordon, is Patricia Burns,
and that is making me immediately think, oh, Dick Burns.
And the reason I think that is because they are
both uncredited in a crowd scene in Country Hooker, which
has a lot of other hardcore people like Thad Watson,
except Dick Burns is a member of the bar band
and Tricia ople is dancing to his music that he's
playing with the band, and they're not credited. I just
spotted them in the crowd because I know Tricia and
I know Dick, and I was like, oh, they're in
this movie, but they're not credited. Okay, I just never
never updated IMDb because it's not their business. So but yeah,
I think that they might have been might have been
partners of Dick Burns was his real name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, I remember that scene
in Country Hooker. I have to keep an eye out
for her next time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's dancing in like this is a green dress
because I just revisited that. But I was like, oh,
Tricia's in this because Dad Watson, who also worked with
Tricia a lot in these sleazy hardcore movies, is in
that scene too, and he doesn't have in that a
he's a client of I think Sandy Dempsey. He doesn't
have any sex scene in the movie, but he's just there.
So it's kind of like these early hardcore people, which
are probably Rebsawitz people, if we're going to be honest,
I think reb Sawitz is probably the casting person.
Speaker 3: I realized we totally kind of skipped over the other lead,
the female lead, but maybe because there's not much to
say about the characters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not she's it's it's kind of a we
know who she is, but this is our only movie.
So she was a model named Alyssa Alyssa mel And
her real name is Alyssa Melnick. But so yeah, so
she was mostly a model, like she did a lot
of photo spreads and magazines in the late sixties, early seventies,
very young, early twenties, and then yeah, she got married
and went back to Pennsylvania. She still looks pretty much
the same. I have a picture in the show notes.
I was like, oh, yeah, that's very her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean she probably would remember this movie
if it was one of her only movies. Don't you
think if you asked.
Speaker 2: Her, I think she probably would. I think she probably
would like Well, it was on it was in a
castle stage. There were a bunch of guys in a
ram's head, and your boyfriend was tied to an Andrew
st Andrew's cross and it was directed by this guy
named Spence Spence Crilly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she probably would.
Speaker 2: She probably wouldn't want to talk about it though.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The rat was trying to chew its way from
that heated brass bowl and the only way out was
through her flesh. Lisa and I were completely turned off.
Speaker 3: Well, now I'm trying to remember who is the So
it was Lisa Marie or it was Linda Murrie that
had the rat put on her chest? Right, was that her?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, that's Linda Murray.
Speaker 3: That was Linda Okay, because we didn't mention that scene
when we were talking about Linda. But yeah, that's kind
of the only thing that really stands out about this
movie is that's that scene.
Speaker 2: I think it's really twisted and sick. This is great,
I mean, that's why it stands out. It's just like
but then but then I don't like that. I mean,
I guess it kind of makes sense that it's like, oh,
it turns out it was just like a magic trick,
and I'm like, well, Spence the magician is like, oh
magic magic into it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the like fake blood coming out from underneath
the pan that they're heating that's on her chest is
like going into her cubic hair. It's kind of Yeah.
It's kind of a rough little scene there, it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's very reliant. It's very for a dream yeah,
for a vampire.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah that dungeon scene where the batpussy and
the whipping and yeah, the horrible guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, guys.
Speaker 3: It's so funny in the actual castle now that I
think Requiem was on the in the Criterion set that
they uploaded recently.
Speaker 2: Which is the old Redemption Master, which I'm not happy about.
I'm just like, what is going on? These Indicator releases
are in four K from the negatives. Why are we
not getting these on streaming? I don't know, maybe streaming rights,
I think, you know, the streaming rights probably, which makes
no sense because their physical releases are out of print.
So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know well, I mean, we are a unique breed.
I think most people probably wouldn't even be able to
tell a difference.
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like Criterion. Criterion typically has a
pretty high quality control threshold, So if they knew that
there were other versions out there that look better, they
would want those versions, not these old versions that are
a decade and a half old. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who do we have left here? Ron Darby? Yeah
he's another kind of Zoltan.
Speaker 2: Guy, very annoying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ron Darby, I don't like either.
Speaker 2: I'm only into Zultan's but he's like so obnoxious in everything.
He has a lot of worse. Yes, yeah, he's not good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a good comparison. Yeah, they do look somewhat similar.
Speaker 2: They're just like two dupistes that are like, these guys
should not be getting ye, very smart. In a just world,
these men would be shut down by any woman. It's
just like, you know, this is when you know that
it's the films are because there's no way. But then
apparently in real life he actually was dating Suzanne Fields.
Unlike Suzanne I'm gonna I'm gonna say that it's because
you just got out of the Mormon religion. In Utah,
that you're you jumped on the first guy that you
met you in LA or something. She was so young
and impressionable. That's all I can get because there's there's
nothing charming or interesting about Ron Darby. I'm sorry, Ron Darby,
you're still around, but I don't I don't care for
your screen presence. I think you're really obnoxious and everything.
Speaker 3: Well, the nice thing about Hannah Pleasure is he's killed
like very early, very quickly.
Speaker 2: Yes exactly. I'm like, thank god, yeah, because then you
have stuff you get sucked to death. Yeah, he gets
stuff like Caught in the Can, which is the Joseph F.
Robertson movie where and then also touches Sweden for Joe
Robertson and where it's like him and I forget the
other guy. It's not.
Speaker 3: William Howard is another Flesh Cordon guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in there too, yes, which I think
that might be. I'm not sure what his real name is.
Then might not be his real name, but he's also
in so he plays the devil in Hotter than Hell
and he's terrible in that, really obnoxious. He's in Satan's
Lust and he plays George Buck Flowers assistant in that
it's like, you know, this horrible rapist. He's in the
Save apostolof movies, like he got work, which gives me
the impression that he's another one that people liked working with,
otherwise they wouldn't hire him. But he doesn't bring anything
to any project that I can remember. I'd love to
be surprised if I'm revisiting stuff and like, actually Ron
Darby's good in this. I don't see that happening, but
it would be a nice surprise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's Ron Derby. What about John John?
Speaker 2: He's very interesting, Yes, John John Dellahan. I believe it's
how you pronounce it's Irish name. So he I feel
like there's probably way more to say about him, and
I just don't know because I haven't devoted that much
research to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his IMDb is very different than everyone else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he moved out to Hollywood and had to do
like five years of sex movies before he finally started
getting work in like regular movies and TV. He put
in his dues, but he was a Broadway actor or
off brought like a stage actor in New York. He
was from a New York guy. He was born in
New York, went out to Hollywood like a lot of
New Yorkers do, and trying to make it. And of
course because for a sort of older guy, he was
like early forties when he started, in good shape, not
bad looking, with do nudity. To my knowledge, I don't
believe he ever did hardcore. He would do hardcore movies,
but not have sex in them. I believe that to
be the case because I don't remember him ever having
actual sex in these movies. Yeah, he's older, he's typically Yeah,
he's typically cast in like roles of authority, usually like professors.
So he's in a lot of white coders too, because
he's very good a dialogue, he can talk to the
camera and he's very natural. So he's in stuff like
The Undergraduate and Sexual Liberty now the Postgraduate Sessions of
Love Therapy, like a lot of these movies where he's
either like a professor about sex or a doctor, you know,
or a psychologist or something. And it's very believable in
those things. And then the flip side, you have been
really terrible shitty movies like those Cosmos movies like Ego Trip,
not Fisherman's Luck. He's in another one of them. That's
just terrible, and it's just like, you know that he
needed the money and he was auditioning and going out
trying to get work on like TV and film, and
this was just what was available, and he did it
and always always hid behind a pseudonym. I think John
Dunn was probably his most frequently used or familiar pseudonym
from his sex film days, but he was in a
few other driving movies too. He's in the Thing with
Two Heads and Sweet Sweep Back briefly Gardener of the Dead,
which says a lot of sex film people in it,
from the Leaf Frost and John Hayes.
Speaker 3: I see him listed for that. John Lamb Big Beaver
splits the scene, which is like, also, yeah, isn't that
is terrible?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's so bad though. I hate that movie.
It's so bad. Uh. Yeah. That's another one that shot
at like a very familiar pool in someone's backyard, probably
John's pool actually, because I think he's in Zodiac Killer
as well, and a few other things that are all
shot on John's house or either a friend of John's house.
So yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 3: Would be the same pool from the raw ones. You
should rewatch the Raw ones and.
Speaker 2: It probably it might be did they shoot anything of
memory Mermaids of Tiberon in a pool, like maybe the
underwater stuff was shot there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe the underwater stuff, but yeah, mostly it's on
the coast.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, but yeah, he's a very interesting guy. Which time
I see him, I'm like, John had rent to pay
and so he's you know, yeah, he's in so much
bad stuff that you're kind of like, God, this guy's
really hitting the taking what he can until he can
get some regular work on like a TV show. And
I don't think he ever did. I don't think he
was ever a TV show regular, but you see him
in a lot of stuff, like he's one of these
regular guys that you'll see in like old TV episodes
and things.
Speaker 3: And then you see his credit as reporter in Apollo thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, yeah, like yeah, he he he had to
hit the pavement and do these character actor bits when
he wasn't doing sex work. But that was way later. Yeah.
He died of lung cancer and I think two thousand
and nine, so he was like in his seventies when
he passed away. Yeah, not to my knowledge, never discussed
his sex film work with anybody. Understandable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the cast. I think I probably teased my thoughts,
but maybe you can give your thoughts, your your revisits.
Speaker 2: Actually, do we want to discuss the distribution of this? Yes,
we could do that because the post, the only existing
poster that I've seen is it called it film Org
Castle and it says it's Sakam.
Speaker 3: But I think it was distribution, yeah in the show
notes there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think they were the regional distributor. Only
I don't think it was a national distributor because I
found an announcement in in Box Office magazine, which is
such a great resource, in September nineteen seventy one where
they said that he sold the movie to Goldstone Films
to release in October of nineteen seventy one. So Goldstone
Films isn't even is also not Manny Conedy. Goldstone Films
is Harry Goldstone. So Harry Goldstone. I think we I'm
trying to think we might have talked about him briefly
on our Lost episode, one of the lost episodes thing,
because he handled a lost film, but they did. They
handle a national distribution for a lot of stuff like
Pit Stop and Devil Writer, but Also they did imports
like Curse of the Devil, the Nashy movie, so it
looks like Goldstone Films handle distribution of this. But they
also called it Orgy a terror Castle, So I don't
know if that's a better title. I don't know. I
don't think it is. I think terror or all like
the better open with the terror. Are you selling the
horror first? Maybe? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wasn't there a case where some theatrical they cut the
word orgy out?
Speaker 2: I have not seen that, but that's possible. I mean
at that because it came out around the time that
hardcore was playing. It was, you know, as hardcore was
taking over right before Deep Throat, so newspapers were still
censoring things. Yeah, so that makes sense. I don't know
what they would have I don't know what the reissue
would have called it.
Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, terror, blank Castle or just tear castle. Yeah,
but that's kind of bland, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 2: And also it doesn't have it doesn't hint at the
sexual element of the film.
Speaker 1: I've got to admit that this circus was turning me
on more than a little.
Speaker 3: I don't think we mentioned that everybody is uncredited in
this movie. There are no credits.
Speaker 2: Right after a while, the Sadder nine stuff didn't have credits,
so like screen Test Girls in Danish and Blue have credits,
and there are I mean they're obviously fake credits, but
there are at least credits. This one doesn't have credits.
Hand a Pleasure doesn't have credits. Was the other one.
There was another one, Sisters and Leather. I don't remember
if that has credits, but they were weird about what
they would put credits on, what they wouldn't. It does
have a copyright notice on it, which is not enforceable
because it's just a copyright nineteen seventy one. You have
to have the production company on there because so it
automatically became public domain the moment it was released, thanks
to that fake, that unenforceable copyright.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would think you would know better. I mean,
he wasn't like just some fly by night guy. He's
been in the business nown sort of in the business
a little bit, you know, Spence.
Speaker 2: So what you should have known better. But I don't
think he cared. Yeah, I don't think he cared that much.
I think these films like ephemeral you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, home video or re release was probably not
on his radar at all. It was just like, get
it in this theater for a couple of weekends, make
my money back.
Speaker 2: That's it, right, And that's why it's interesting that Manny
got this library. And yeah, because hand a Pleasure came
out on video in like nineteen ninety with like a
contemporary model on the cover, So you know, they're trying
to sell it as a contemporary sex movie, which it
definitely is not. And I think that was Kandy. Kandy
is doing that. He was trying to get that back
on the market. The other thing I don't think we
mentioned is that this is just narration only.
Speaker 3: There is no dialogue. Nobody's voices MOS style which Spence.
That is Spence's voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his voice.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: He's then rating it, Yeah, good enough. He does it
on He's not the most narrates too.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I think he just wants it done. I think of
something that's done quick. Like I said, these movies, there's nothing.
They're not passion projects. They're not something that he's like,
I'm gonna put a lot of myself into this. The gay,
the queer stuff might have been the only indicator of
anything related to him, but none of the other stuff.
It's just kind of like, this is what the market wants. Okay,
we'll do this and then we'll crap it out, spend
as little as we can, and then sell it to
a distributor to have them handle it, and then then
you'll try to profit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What also this has going forward is the color, you know,
compared to like the Satanist, which is black and white.
Speaker 2: There's that black and whites are shot better though, I
think so too. Yeah, just as the Leather and the Satanists.
I would give the Satanists that it's it's very well shot. Yeah, that,
and I think Sister is a leather shot well, you know,
comparatively like they're I mean they're better shot movies obviously,
but I mean they are competently photographed in black and white.
The color is kind of drab because I think, well,
this is another situation where, like All American Girl, we're
dealing with something shot on sixteen millimeters blown up to
thirty five. So if we're dealing with a thirty five
millimeter negative for any of these, then it'd be better
if we were working from a sixteen millimeter negative like
a camera original. Then we could at least get some
nice color. That's kind of like with man O sansa
Faith that was a sixteen millimeter negative. So that's why
I looked stunning. That's why I always looked terrible on
video because it was from thirty five milimeter prints. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think that's why I wonder how much it would pop. Yeah,
I like Sickness better because I think it's just it
looks better even. Yeah, but I get that, like at
this time, color was, you know, something you slap on
the poster, like, come see this color movie. Like some
people didn't want to go see black and white movies
in seventy two, right, So, and sometimes the irony is
putting color on your poster when your poster is in
black and white. Yep, you're not gonna spend any money
on the printing of any color posters. You're gonna have
a black and white poster. But then say the movie
he's in color.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that original poster is it looks It
doesn't look like this movie at all, not even just
because it's black and white, but the vibes of it,
it's not the same movie. You ever put that together? Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Right well now, I'm also wondering if Goldstone offloaded it
to sack Amusements. But I don't feel like they did.
I feel like Sack was mostly regional. You know who
would know is Alex de Santo. Yeah, Alex will let
us know. Yeah, I have Sacked did anything national, not
just regional. I feel like they were just regional though.
Speaker 3: Well, whenever our episodes drop, he's the first to listen,
so he'll get back to us on it.
Speaker 2: That's true, and he always gives us a little notes.
That's true. That's very helpful.
Speaker 1: That vampire book had mentioned a female demon known as
a suckubus who appeared in the night to sap the
strength of her male victim. Man, what a crazy dream
I was having.
Speaker 3: So yes, back to the last thoughts. I did not
like this as much of as Sultan's other movies, but
I like I like it as a Halloween movie, like
put it on in the background of a party. I
think I've said that numerous times now, which I feel
bad about, like because but at the same time, like
you said, this is like, this is not a passion project,
so I don't feel bad saying, hey, put this on
the background, you don't have to pay attention to it.
But that's kind of the case.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's barely written. Dialogue is not important because
it's narrated and the narration just tells you what you're seeing.
It's not. Yeah, it doesn't add anything to it. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I liked it less than the last time
I watched it, so I'm ready to considerably lower I believe. Actually,
maybe I need to recheck that I might have raised
it up to just a historical interest rating. But the
rat scene is kind of the best thing about it.
I like the fact that Bambi Allen's given a nice
sultry role.
Speaker 3: Just pool coming out of the cat or coming out
of the mirror moment. You know, she looks nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's some nice supernatural elements to it
that are done nice and cheaply, which is always kind
of fun to see. Yeah, it's not. Uh, I don't know.
I wouldn't recommend really anything of Zoltan's to people, except
for Sisters and Leather, because I think it's a very
interesting variation on the faster, busy cat, you know, grow
with the hungry eyes tropes of of lesbians going after
disgusting men and making their lives out. So that's that's
my favorite of his. But yeah, this one is, you know,
and it's available on that triple feature with Evil Come,
Evil Go and hand a Pleasure and I mean Evil Come,
Evil Go. Vinegar Syndrome restored that, and you know why
because they got the Many Comedy Library with an all
American girl and an all American woman, So they were
able to restore that because they have the Comedy Library,
so that one has a wider audience. This one does not.
It does, yeh, and hand a Pleasure same thing. Because
that disc is out of print. I don't know if
I could recommend you seek that disc out because you
can get Evil Come, Evil Go. Actually, isn't that out
of print too? That DVD might be out of print too.
That one needs to be reissued as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to see the Zoltan if you're going
to do it. Put these three together because they do
play off each other and they have similar scenes. Satanist,
Tarot Orgy Castle, and hand a Pleasure. I would put
them together because yeah, or do a double feature with
Satanist and Tarot Orgy Castle because a lot of the
shots are even similar, you know, with the girl laying
on the alter with their head back, that's the exact
same shot in both movies. So I mean there's not
a lot of creativity here, but it is fun to
see those mirrored like ones black and white, One's color,
but then.
Speaker 2: Also Danish and Blue and Hand to Pleasure and Terror
or Jay Castle have the St. Andrew's cross in them. Yeah,
that's the through line for those three, and they all
start William Howard. That makes more sense William box set. Yeah,
nobody cares, not even William Howard if he's still alive,
we want it. But yeah, I mean this is another
situation of like we've talked about the potential for just
like Criterion style Eclipse style box sets. So just like
just dump these on in a package in like slim cases,
no real extras, maybe an essay. That's it. They don't
need to be super special editions, but at least they're
out there, and it's a very interesting little pocket of
sexploitation in the California industry, just because of his background
and the fact that he was an interesting person, whether
his movies are good or not. I think Barry Mayhon's
the same way He's an interesting guys. Movies just aren't
very good.
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when I awoke, the hall was empty except for Lisa
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