Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 2: I was done.
Speaker 1: I wasn't dealing with them.
Speaker 3: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 3: that turned me.
Speaker 2: Away the quickest.
Speaker 3: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
Speaker 3: looked at us.
Speaker 4: And one of the things I remember the most, where
Speaker 4: the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light.
Speaker 3: It is just circling these steps like it is waiting
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: And he begins to tell them that he saw Ufo.
Speaker 4: They're basically like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it
Speaker 1: and that's where I saw.
Speaker 3: The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes.
Speaker 4: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing.
Speaker 1: I don't like death.
Speaker 4: Like thak. This time to welcome my guest tonight, Cynthia.
Speaker 4: Thanks for coming on, you're talking to me.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on. I've been looking forward to this.
Speaker 4: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 4: bit about yourself?
Speaker 5: Sure? You can find me on Facebook, Sin Trader Hill author.
Speaker 5: My group is also on there at ELK value Paranormal.
Speaker 5: You can go to my website elk Valipiranormal dot com.
Speaker 5: I have five books on Amazon, currently working on six, seven,
Speaker 5: and eight, and I'm also editing other people's books the
Speaker 5: same time, so those are all on Amazon. And again,
Speaker 5: sin Trader Hill, if you've got a story for me
Speaker 5: that you'd like for me to consider in one of
Speaker 5: my books, you can reach me at Sintraderhill author at
Speaker 5: gmail dot com.
Speaker 4: I'll make sure to put that in the show notes. Okay,
Speaker 4: So what sort of books do you write?
Speaker 5: Mostly true ghost stories. I started my first book I
Speaker 5: really really wanted to bring out about my EVPs because
Speaker 5: that was what I enjoyed doing most, working with audio.
Speaker 5: I just couldn't figure out how to do it. So
Speaker 5: it became my third book, and I decided to go
Speaker 5: ahead and get some short stories out, and I put
Speaker 5: out Whispers in the Dark True Ghost Stories and Eerie Tales,
Speaker 5: which is mostly about this county, Lincoln County, Tennessee, which
Speaker 5: is just north of Huntsville, Alabama. We're in southern Middle Tennessee,
Speaker 5: right in the middle below Nashville. And there are twenty
Speaker 5: three short stories. Eighteen of them are here in the county.
Speaker 5: The others one was when I lived in Arizona, when
Speaker 5: I was on vacation in Helen Georgia, and then a
Speaker 5: couple of my teammates had some stories, so we put
Speaker 5: in that. I've also got a two parter from Lynchburg, Tennessee,
Speaker 5: where Jack Daniels is made at the old funeral home there.
Speaker 5: So that was the first one. The second one was
Speaker 5: a fiction book that Mark and I decided to write.
Speaker 5: Mark Elliott Fultz. He's the one that does the covers
Speaker 5: and the illustrations on all my books, and I edit
Speaker 5: in return for him. So he does all of the
Speaker 5: illustrations and covers and I edit, and that's how we
Speaker 5: make it work. But I just finished his cookbook, which
Speaker 5: is my mean old Grandma's good old cookbook with seventeen
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty eight recipes. This is this thing's like
Speaker 5: a phone book. It's a freaking phone book. But he's
Speaker 5: got things in there like Senator story, funeral foods, Frozen Charlotte.
Speaker 5: The Frozen Charlotte story where the girl was too vain
Speaker 5: to wear a coat over her nice ball gown when
Speaker 5: she was going going to this festival during a snowstorm,
Speaker 5: and when she got there she was frozen stiff. So
Speaker 5: that started back in the eighteen hundreds, I think and
Speaker 5: it was a song, a poem, a story. That's what
Speaker 5: all the china dolls are fashioned after. And then this
Speaker 5: dessert that people started doing, and it's called frozen Charlotte
Speaker 5: Dessert actually sounds pretty good. It's when they kind of
Speaker 5: first figured out how to work with gelatine and putting
Speaker 5: all that together, so that cookbook was interesting. He's also
Speaker 5: got a ugly sister side, which there's a warning to
Speaker 5: anybody that gets the book, if you're squeamish, don't go
Speaker 5: into that section. And it's got things like deer hagis
Speaker 5: regular hagis you know, deer hagis his. The recipes is
Speaker 5: the heart, and you know, the other is what lung
Speaker 5: and different parts. There's ways to kill possum's raccoons, just
Speaker 5: you know, all this kind of weird, weird stuff that
Speaker 5: he has collected these recipes over the years. His grandmother
Speaker 5: was a fantastic cook, but not such a fantastic person,
Speaker 5: and that's why it's called my mean old Grandma. But
Speaker 5: finally got that done after fourteen and a half months,
Speaker 5: so now I can concentrate on my books again. And
Speaker 5: I started working on my fourth book back in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty and It was on Signs from Our loved Ones,
Speaker 5: and I didn't really have a lot, but I put
Speaker 5: a feeler out on Facebook for stories about anyone that
Speaker 5: has had a vision of their loved one that's passed,
Speaker 5: or deathbed stories or you know, cardinals, pennies from and
Speaker 5: you know all that kind of stuff. So that book
Speaker 5: sparked a sequel, and I'm working on that sequel right now.
Speaker 5: It did have near death experiences in the first one,
Speaker 5: but this time for the sequel, I was getting so
Speaker 5: many near death experience stories I decided to separate those.
Speaker 5: So the first book I'm bringing out next, which will
Speaker 5: be number six, is going to be death Store Step
Speaker 5: near death Experiences, Angel rescues, and spirit Warnings, so a
Speaker 5: lot of near misses and things like that. And then
Speaker 5: right after that will be the Signs sequel that will
Speaker 5: feature everything else, including animal spirits that come back and
Speaker 5: you know, say hi to you, jump up on the bed,
Speaker 5: and you know whatever, just anything like that, and then
Speaker 5: a spooky book coming out. So the last one I
Speaker 5: did was Realm of Shadows, and it was some of
Speaker 5: the darker investigations I've been on, and a lot that
Speaker 5: my friends had sent me that weird things that had
Speaker 5: happened to them, like faces changing and you know, just odd,
Speaker 5: odd circumstances things like that. So another dark book of
Speaker 5: short stories is coming out as number six eight. We'll
Speaker 5: see what happens. We'll see when I'm going to bring
Speaker 5: them out.
Speaker 4: So what got you into doing all of this? Obviously?
Speaker 4: I always say there's something that drives people into going
Speaker 4: this route, Like it's not just something you wake up
Speaker 4: on Dannie like, Hey, I'm going to start writing books
Speaker 4: about weird stuff.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah. Well I started editing first for Mark, and
Speaker 5: I knew I wanted to write a book, but just
Speaker 5: didn't know how to go about it, didn't really know
Speaker 5: what to write about. And then when I started investigating,
Speaker 5: I was collecting all of my recordings, going through all
Speaker 5: the audio, and that third book that was supposed to
Speaker 5: be my first one, I finally figured out how to
Speaker 5: get it across. So it's they're speaking, are you listening
Speaker 5: my most compelling EVPs? And you can read the book
Speaker 5: or the kendle, either one paperback or kindle, and then
Speaker 5: go to my website at Valleparanormal dot com and listen
Speaker 5: to all of the EVPs that are in the book,
Speaker 5: So that finally came together for me. But before that,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm really late to the game. I didn't
Speaker 5: start investigating it until twenty thirteen, and I really didn't
Speaker 5: know how to go about it. So I joined a
Speaker 5: team and they trained me. I knew I wanted my
Speaker 5: own team, but you know, I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 5: I didn't know about equipment. I didn't know about locations.
Speaker 5: I didn't know about any of that stuff. And I
Speaker 5: still am learning. But first team trained me, and I
Speaker 5: found out really fast that I was fascinated with audio
Speaker 5: and I liked the spirit Box where you know, there's
Speaker 5: a lot of investigators that hated My co founder hates it,
Speaker 5: cannot stand it. He's like, oh please, and just wait
Speaker 5: till I leave the room before you turn that thing on.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of people feel that way
Speaker 5: because it's just noisy, loud, and you know, it's irritating.
Speaker 5: But I liked it, and for some reason, I could
Speaker 5: find some of the voices easier, Like when you're listening
Speaker 5: to the spirit Box, it was easier for me to
Speaker 5: pick up on some of the voices. I don't know
Speaker 5: why Sean is my co founder. He's a skeptic, so
Speaker 5: that was his thing. He's the best debunker that I've
Speaker 5: ever met. He's such a good debunker and a skeptic.
Speaker 5: But also he's been doing it long enough and he's
Speaker 5: seen enough that he can't explain everything, So you know,
Speaker 5: you get to that and having to try to explain, Okay,
Speaker 5: that shadow, that really was a shadow. And if I
Speaker 5: remember him telling the story about the old hospital, he
Speaker 5: had taken a group, some of our group on the
Speaker 5: public hunt, down the hallway and we were lights out,
Speaker 5: and he had taken I think three of them down
Speaker 5: the hallway. We had about seven or eight, and then
Speaker 5: he realized that they were a little bit farther behind
Speaker 5: him than he thought. So he was down the hall
Speaker 5: by himself and he looked in front of him and
Speaker 5: a shadow was in front of him. First he thought
Speaker 5: it was his shadow until it started vibrating, and he
Speaker 5: said that was the scariest thing because all of a
Speaker 5: sudden he looked back. He was by himself, he looked
Speaker 5: back at the shadow and it lipped down the hallway
Speaker 5: into one of the patient rooms. So he's seen more
Speaker 5: now and he can't claim complete skepticism. So that's a
Speaker 5: good that's a fun thing.
Speaker 4: I try and say I'm a skeptic, but I'm a
Speaker 4: lot more open minded these days than I.
Speaker 6: Used to be, And you kind of have to be
Speaker 6: a skeptic, especially now and with all the AI coming out. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, it's kind of hard to look at some things.
Speaker 5: And if you don't know the person really, if you
Speaker 5: don't really know that person, it's hard to say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's paranormal, Oh yeah that's supernatural, that's definitely a ghost,
Speaker 5: or it's harder now to figure out what's real and
Speaker 5: what's not.
Speaker 4: I'm more involved with the whole cryptid side of things,
Speaker 4: and I can't explain what people are seeing. I can't
Speaker 4: explain the things that I've seen. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: it's like I see all these people posting up photos
Speaker 4: of everything, and all I see is blurry photos. I
Speaker 4: don't see what they think is there. And then I
Speaker 4: get argued with sometimes by people because I don't see it.
Speaker 5: The crypti photos I've seen, you know, like out in
Speaker 5: the woods, I can't find what they're saying is there.
Speaker 5: I can't find it.
Speaker 4: But I saw something yesterday and I doubt they listened
Speaker 4: to the show. But if they do, it's I don't
Speaker 4: really care. They'd circled something and it says there was
Speaker 4: something crawling behind them, and literally it was a I
Speaker 4: could tell it looks just like a stump from a tree.
Speaker 7: Mm.
Speaker 4: And then they drew little eyeballs on it. I was like,
Speaker 4: that's no, Like, yeah, it's like it's just a blurry
Speaker 4: stump because your photos are blurry. Like if you guys
Speaker 4: legitimately are seeing things and that's what they show up there,
Speaker 4: don't argue with people and tell them that they can't
Speaker 4: see what you're seeing, because maybe there's something wrong with what.
Speaker 5: You're seeing, right right, you know you're again they want
Speaker 5: to blame it on AI jumping in.
Speaker 4: They want to blame it on everyone else not being
Speaker 4: open minded enough. But maybe there's something wrong with the
Speaker 4: way you're my processes. I honestly believe they believe what
Speaker 4: they're seeing.
Speaker 5: Oh, you know, some people do. But what is it paradolia? Yeah?
Speaker 5: And then there's also the audio. You think you hear
Speaker 5: something and you don't. I can't think of that word,
Speaker 5: but I mean it's a real thing. Yeah, So you're
Speaker 5: you're mostly cryptid then, right, for.
Speaker 4: The most part, that is uh, paranormal for me is
Speaker 4: not I don't want to sound like I'm interested in it,
Speaker 4: but I feel like for that I kind of live
Speaker 4: in it. So it's not different for me because I
Speaker 4: deal with it all the time. So like the house
Speaker 4: we live in, I feel like there's something here that's
Speaker 4: been that way since we've moved in, so I don't
Speaker 4: it's just an everyday thing here. Like I said, we
Speaker 4: don't talk about it. We don't want to try to
Speaker 4: give anything power. We just ignore it.
Speaker 5: And that's the best thing. Today.
Speaker 4: I've tried to banish whatever's here, and I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's gone. I don't know if it's back. Every
Speaker 4: once in a while, something weird happens and it could
Speaker 4: be paranormal, or it could just be the house. Who knows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: We have kids and everything else, so I try not
Speaker 4: to talk about it a whole lot because then they
Speaker 4: start getting creeped up by it. But I've also seen
Speaker 4: some weird things before that are not normal, that are
Speaker 4: very would be considered a cryptid. I don't necessarily even
Speaker 4: believe in that either, but I know what I saw,
Speaker 4: so that's kind of why I do what I do
Speaker 4: because of what I saw eighteen years of.
Speaker 5: You interesting, very interesting. I'm just now I'm really new
Speaker 5: to the cryptid side, just because it's just I was
Speaker 5: brought up around ghost stories and that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: I had heard about Bigfoot, and I had never actually
Speaker 5: heard about the one around where I live now. So
Speaker 5: I'm in Tennessee, in Lincoln County, and i live in
Speaker 5: the town my dad is from. So he's from Flintville, Tennessee,
Speaker 5: and that's fifteen miles from where I was born. Swore
Speaker 5: when I was in high school that I'd never come
Speaker 5: back here, never ever come back here and come back.
Speaker 4: Every time someone says that they come right back, I've
Speaker 4: said the same thing, and here I am.
Speaker 5: Oh man, it gets you every time. Well, around this
Speaker 5: little village, Flintville, there's a cryptid known as the Flintville Monster,
Speaker 5: and it's like a white big Foot. And I was
Speaker 5: talking to a buddy of mine, Bopp d All. He
Speaker 5: lives just right down the road, like maybe twenty minutes
Speaker 5: from me, but he was talking about this Flintville Monster.
Speaker 5: And he's actually got a documentary coming out I think
Speaker 5: next Friday, probably about the Flintville Monster. Started in the seventies,
Speaker 5: nineteen seventies and it was more of a aggressive bigfoot.
Speaker 5: And I put the question out to a couple of people,
Speaker 5: So is it white because it's an older bigfoot or
Speaker 5: is it like the yetdy? You know, is it something
Speaker 5: like that or you know, nobody knows. Yeah, there's interesting
Speaker 5: though to find out.
Speaker 4: You hear that there's black ones, there's brown ones, there's
Speaker 4: like tan ones, there's like amber colored ones. Some say
Speaker 4: there's some of like red headed people, and some say
Speaker 4: there's white and blond like wow, who knows?
Speaker 5: Who knows? Right? And is it skunkpe isn't that like
Speaker 5: a type of it?
Speaker 4: Yep, that's a down in the Everglades they had the
Speaker 4: skunk cape, which they claimed those were smaller, I believe,
Speaker 4: and they were more rare, like a red headed, more
Speaker 4: red colored. But you could smell them me a a
Speaker 4: pungent smell like a skunk. Again, I've never personally seen
Speaker 4: a big foot. Side don't like. I would like to
Speaker 4: believe that there's something out there, but I'm also again
Speaker 4: with the skeptical mind of if there is something out there,
Speaker 4: how can we don't have proof of it? At this point,
Speaker 4: everyone has a phone in their pocket and there's cameras
Speaker 4: on houses and buildings. There's never been a body anywhere.
Speaker 4: So for me logistically and like logically, it just doesn't
Speaker 4: make sense because there's never been any definitive proof right right,
Speaker 4: So as much as I want to believe, I'm still
Speaker 4: on that side of I still have to have some
Speaker 4: sort of proof to believe it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to have some proof too. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: have to see it with my own eyes, and I
Speaker 5: who knows it that will ever happen that I'm like
Speaker 5: five miles from where this particular monster has been seen
Speaker 5: over the years. Strange thing about it. Growing up, Dad
Speaker 5: never talked about a Flintville monster ever. He talked about
Speaker 5: a Flintville light that was around the railroad tracks. But
Speaker 5: you know, there's several of those stories, like somebody gets
Speaker 5: their head chopped off and they're walking down the tracks
Speaker 5: looking for their head, And there's one from Cornersville, Tennessee.
Speaker 5: Here in Flintville, and I'm sure you've probably heard of
Speaker 5: others around the country that are like that.
Speaker 4: Everyone has a story of a guy with a hook.
Speaker 4: Everyone has the guy walking around looking for something down
Speaker 4: Lover's Lane. Everyone has a Yeah, there's all these urban
Speaker 4: legends baby Bridge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's some of those and all kinds.
Speaker 4: It makes you wonder though, like where they originated from.
Speaker 4: Something had to influence the story. It had to, And
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's just people nothing better to do,
Speaker 4: so they just made up stuff, but then just kind
Speaker 4: of trickled along. But if you look back, just back
Speaker 4: to bigfoot stories, the Native Americans all over had stories
Speaker 4: of large hairy men, like they've talked about them, and
Speaker 4: they've got there's out west there's a like cave paintings
Speaker 4: of them. So interesting, how do you explain that if
Speaker 4: I didn't know there were cave paintings at them they
Speaker 4: unless they're not real. But people claim that they've got
Speaker 4: like this in the stones where they've carved things, and
Speaker 4: people are saying they're bigfoot because they're bigger than what
Speaker 4: other things look like. You've got like a deer and
Speaker 4: then a buffalo and there's like something that looks like
Speaker 4: a big foot in the background. But yeah, there's also
Speaker 4: stuff that looks like aliens too, So who knows. Maybe
Speaker 4: they're just people and they just didn't know how to draw. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like I said, that's the skeptic side of me is
Speaker 4: like I I want to believe, but at the same time,
Speaker 4: it's it's going to take more than just hearing it.
Speaker 4: But I've talked to so many people that have had
Speaker 4: experiences that it's hard to not think that they're seeing something.
Speaker 5: You know, they almost have to be. And with so
Speaker 5: many people that have seen a bigfoot or mothman or whatever,
Speaker 5: they've had to see something.
Speaker 4: There's something. And I've said this a few different times.
Speaker 4: I believe that people are seeing something, but it doesn't
Speaker 4: necessarily mean what they're seeing is what they think they're seeing.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean that to say that it's misidentification.
Speaker 5: M m.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're seeing something because that's what it wants them
Speaker 4: to see.
Speaker 5: It as Oh could very well be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't. I can't explain, like if it leaves
Speaker 4: like a footprint behind or stuff like that. But what
Speaker 4: if there's something out there that when we see it,
Speaker 4: our mind only processes in a way that we can
Speaker 4: understand it, So it unders it makes itself into a
Speaker 4: form that we can understand, and that's just what it
Speaker 4: ends up looking like.
Speaker 5: Right, that's a good take on it, and that very
Speaker 5: well could be.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about anything. So I'm just a
Speaker 4: guy with a microphone.
Speaker 5: But for I don't know, that's a pretty good take
Speaker 5: on it, though. You know, even I got a great imagination.
Speaker 5: So if you're telling me a story, I'm picturing it.
Speaker 5: And it could be too. These people are going out
Speaker 5: after watching a movie or a Bigfoot documentary or Mothman
Speaker 5: documentary or whatever. They're watching bunny man, dog man. You know,
Speaker 5: there's so many of them, I can't keep up. And
Speaker 5: maybe it being in their head, the thinking about it,
Speaker 5: and then something moves in the bushes. They take a picture.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's dog man. You know, it could
Speaker 5: very well be.
Speaker 4: It's funny you mentioned dog man because that's what I saw.
Speaker 4: I don't call it dog.
Speaker 5: Man though, what do you call it?
Speaker 4: Upright? Walking canine? Like it everyone just being a dog man?
Speaker 4: Well yes, and no. Like it literally would look like
Speaker 4: a dead dog in the road. And then it stood
Speaker 4: up like a person and looked at me. I was
Speaker 4: fifteen feet from it, and then it crouched down and
Speaker 4: walked off on two feet.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Me and another guy had seen it as much. Everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you saw a black bear. I was like, I wish
Speaker 4: it was a bear. My life would be so much easier.
Speaker 4: But I there's headlights shining on it from two different vehicles.
Speaker 4: I'm outside thinking it's a dead dog in the road.
Speaker 4: It's not an air It had a long, bushy tail.
Speaker 4: I know what a dog looks like. It looked like
Speaker 4: a black wolf.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 4: It it stood up like a person.
Speaker 5: So oh wow.
Speaker 4: And I don't believe in any of this stuff, but
Speaker 4: I know what I saw.
Speaker 5: But when that happened, did chills just take over?
Speaker 4: No? I was, I was. I wasn't afraid. I was
Speaker 4: just more like confusing, like what the hell's going on?
Speaker 4: Like what is this thing doing? Like why is this
Speaker 4: standing up? Yeah? I wasn't like running away. And now
Speaker 4: the guy behind me, my coworker, was screaming at cussing
Speaker 4: at me to get back in the vehicle.
Speaker 5: But so he's the one that got the chill bumps.
Speaker 4: He didn't ever want to talk about it after that,
Speaker 4: and then I haven't seen him in years. This was
Speaker 4: eighteen years ago. But he didn't want to talk about
Speaker 4: it after that, and he said it was just a dog.
Speaker 4: I need to shut up about it, and basically said,
Speaker 4: I keep bringing it up. He's not going to talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 5: So he saw it walk on two legs.
Speaker 4: I assume so, but for all intents and purposes, like
Speaker 4: a normal dog look like a normal black, both looking dog.
Speaker 4: But I don't know when it stood up. I heard
Speaker 4: him screaming for me to get back in the vehicle,
Speaker 4: so I'm assuming he saw that much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think he probably did. Wow, Oh, that's
Speaker 5: kind of creepy.
Speaker 4: Like I said, that's literally why I do what I do,
Speaker 4: because I've been looking for answers for all these years
Speaker 4: and never talked about it for so long because it's
Speaker 4: so unbelievable that there's a lot more to it than now.
Speaker 4: I just don't want to talk about it on air.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it just doesn't make any sort of sense.
Speaker 4: The whole thing itself just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 4: And I've just been looking for answers, and the more
Speaker 4: that I've been looking for answers, I haven't found any.
Speaker 4: I get more questions. I'm actually doing a documentary. You
Speaker 4: mentioned what Bob was doing a documentary. I'm working on
Speaker 4: one here too. I just actually got all my filming
Speaker 4: equipment in today.
Speaker 5: Ie.
Speaker 4: We've already filled a bunch of different interviews, but there's
Speaker 4: been people in my area that I've come to find
Speaker 4: out from just doing this that have all reported seen
Speaker 4: quote unquote wear wolves. And then I started digging into
Speaker 4: the Native American legends and they have stories of wolf people. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so like there's just a whole lot of lore tied
Speaker 4: into this stuff. And it's weird that people have and
Speaker 4: it's been in the same exact spot, like the same
Speaker 4: exact location. I've had three different people talk about seeing
Speaker 4: what they said was they wear wolf And it's a
Speaker 4: very small area, so that's kind of weird that it
Speaker 4: all happens right in this small area. But so now
Speaker 4: we've already filmed the interviews and everything else. Now it's
Speaker 4: time to get out in the woods and start filming.
Speaker 5: That's awesome. I can't wait to see that.
Speaker 4: Hopefully we'll be done with it here in the next
Speaker 4: few months.
Speaker 5: Awesome. Gonna you're gonna post when you've got.
Speaker 4: That ready, right, there's some distribution things we have to
Speaker 4: work out, so I don't know exactly when it'll be out,
Speaker 4: but there's some behind the scenes stuff we're still trying
Speaker 4: to figure out.
Speaker 5: So this happened eighteen years ago, but and you kept
Speaker 5: it in for a while how long did you keep
Speaker 5: it in before you actually told somebody?
Speaker 4: Well, I told people right after it happened, did you Yeah,
Speaker 4: and everyone kind of like they didn't not believe me.
Speaker 4: But it's just like, what are they supposed to say.
Speaker 5: Like, Michael, what did you say?
Speaker 4: I interviewed my friend who was I literally saw him,
Speaker 4: I think later that day that had happened. He'd seen
Speaker 4: some weird stuff. He's where's he's seen an alien walk
Speaker 4: out of a cornfield around walk back in. And I've
Speaker 4: known him almost my whole life and he's not known
Speaker 4: to be a liar, and he'd brought it up about
Speaker 4: when I'd seen that thing, like we didn't ever, Like
Speaker 4: I told my parents about it, and I I still
Speaker 4: lived at home at the time, and a few people knew,
Speaker 4: But I don't go around telling anyone else about it
Speaker 4: because people are really you're crazy. Yeah, But because of
Speaker 4: that stigma is why I wanted to do what I do,
Speaker 4: Because I did it in a sense to give people
Speaker 4: a place to talk. For so many years I couldn't
Speaker 4: talk about it. But at the same time, it's kind
Speaker 4: of therapeutic for me because when I hear other people
Speaker 4: talking about what they've experienced. It makes me not feel
Speaker 4: so bad about what happened to me, because then I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: maybe I'm not crazy.
Speaker 5: Right right kind of. I think that's why so many
Speaker 5: people are listening to podcasts. They're they're needing that validation too.
Speaker 4: I just tried and give people a place to talk.
Speaker 4: And I'm not here to prove or disprove anybody because
Speaker 4: half the time I don't even believe what happened to me,
Speaker 4: even though I know what happened, right, So it's it's
Speaker 4: just weird. I'm not going to tell someone whatever they're
Speaker 4: telling me is not true because I wasn't there. I
Speaker 4: get annoyed when people tell me I saw a bear.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I wish it was a bear,
Speaker 4: but I know what a bear looks like. A bear
Speaker 4: doesn't A bear doesn't have a big bushy tail like
Speaker 4: a dog, like, so it's a bear with me And
Speaker 4: she's like, no, it had big fluffy black fur and
Speaker 4: it didn't have like the werewolf hands. It did have
Speaker 4: paws like everything about it was a normal dog.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Just you speaking of like Mangie, like you said, there's
Speaker 5: a cryptid in Appalachia called not deer if you heard
Speaker 5: about and some people think that that might be some
Speaker 5: deer that have gotten some kind of disease and have
Speaker 5: been malformed and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But it's it's funny you mentioned this because about a
Speaker 4: month and a half ago, maybe two months ago now,
Speaker 4: my mom and dad were over here visiting. They live
Speaker 4: a few miles away, but they came over to see
Speaker 4: the grandkids, and my mom messaged me on the way
Speaker 4: back and said they just seen a bunch of zombie
Speaker 4: deer And the first thing I thought of was not deer,
Speaker 4: because yeah, And I said why and they said they
Speaker 4: all just were like standing there, not moving, and their
Speaker 4: eyes were like glowing wap so their headlights are hitting it.
Speaker 4: But they said they were just weird, acting like they
Speaker 4: wouldn't move out of the road or anything else, and
Speaker 4: they just stood there and watch them the whole time
Speaker 4: like they didn't not like a normal They even beeped
Speaker 4: out of there, and they just didn't care. They didn't move,
Speaker 4: their bodies didn't move. Like I said, did they look
Speaker 4: like they were decayed? They're like no, It's like, why
Speaker 4: do you call them zombies? They're well, they's because they're
Speaker 4: gonna trance. They weren't doing anything. I was like, that's
Speaker 4: it's still weird that they would do that. But it's like,
Speaker 4: it's not what I was thinking of when you said
Speaker 4: zombie deer. I instantly went to not deer. But I
Speaker 4: don't know. We have weird things apparently around here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think everywhere, and I don't know, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe okay, So what do you think about thought forms
Speaker 5: and so many people thinking something and then it creates
Speaker 5: it like.
Speaker 4: An aggregor I've actually considered this before, that people put
Speaker 4: all their focus and energy into something that it manifested.
Speaker 4: But if you go into that sort of context with it,
Speaker 4: you start to think of a simulation type of a scenario,
Speaker 4: like we're giving life to something by thinking it. How
Speaker 4: can we create something just by thinking it? So it's
Speaker 4: almost it doesn't seem like that, like the way we
Speaker 4: understand how life is supposed to be, how we're told
Speaker 4: to be, doesn't make any sense if that's a possibility, right,
Speaker 4: So it feels like to me like everything's more and
Speaker 4: not to go on a whole simulation theory type situation.
Speaker 4: But for me, it's like I don't think we're in
Speaker 4: a simulation, but I feel like maybe our world is
Speaker 4: a little different from we're in the three D world.
Speaker 4: So maybe there's the fourth dimension that we can't see.
Speaker 4: And I look at it like levels from a video game.
Speaker 4: We're on level three, there's level four, there's a level five.
Speaker 4: Maybe some of these things that we're seeing are from
Speaker 4: a different plane of existence, and sometimes we see them
Speaker 4: in here. And I even relate this to like paranormal stuff,
Speaker 4: like when people see shadow figures and everything else. Maybe
Speaker 4: they are something from the other plane of existence that's
Speaker 4: just bleeding into our reality. We can only see part
Speaker 4: of it because it's not fully taking form here, because
Speaker 4: it's not in the same laws of physics as what
Speaker 4: they have.
Speaker 5: There, right right. I think possibly that's a bigfoot thing too,
Speaker 5: you know. And I think the forest is one one
Speaker 5: of the easiest places to get turned around in and
Speaker 5: disoriented in and to make you feel a little bit off.
Speaker 5: And so if these things are popping up and then
Speaker 5: popping out again, you know, you've got all the weirdness
Speaker 5: of the forest. Anyway, it's a possibility maybe they are
Speaker 5: coming in and out.
Speaker 4: I said this on a previous episode, and I've said
Speaker 4: it on a few different ones, and I'll continue to
Speaker 4: bring it up, so I'm sure the audience will hate
Speaker 4: hearing it. But I interviewed someone back in the summer
Speaker 4: and he was an author too, and he wrote a
Speaker 4: book called Bigfoot the Forest Poltergeist. And if you think
Speaker 4: of how he describes this, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 4: He said, basically, people that live in a house and
Speaker 4: you have all this activity or whatever you're going to say,
Speaker 4: a poultergeist or what, it's the same sort of stuff
Speaker 4: that people report with seeing Bigfoot out in the woods.
Speaker 4: You have the noises, you have the NOx you have
Speaker 4: the different things moving around. He said, if you put
Speaker 4: bigfoot in the house, you're going to see your house's harnt.
Speaker 4: But if you put it out in the woods, it's bigfoot.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So he said bigfoot is almost like the forest Poultergeist.
Speaker 5: Interesting, that's a great look. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4: Ever since I've talked to him, I've literally went down
Speaker 4: that way as like, that makes so much sense to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, yeah, because we're so used to seeing ghosts
Speaker 5: in places and you know, haunting certain areas or popping
Speaker 5: in at certain times of the year or whatever. But
Speaker 5: they're usually specific to a spot.
Speaker 7: So I like that.
Speaker 4: I like that it makes sense to me. And the
Speaker 4: if you go like what I was describing, like if
Speaker 4: the bigfoot is something, that's if it's a I don't
Speaker 4: want to say it's not a flesh and blood creature,
Speaker 4: but I don't want to say it's not just a
Speaker 4: flesh and blood creature either, because there's a lot of
Speaker 4: weird stuff that people report happening with bigfoot. And I'm
Speaker 4: friends with people that are straight up pull on bigfoots
Speaker 4: and undiscovered primate. They don't believe in the wu side,
Speaker 4: They don't believe in any of that stuff, and they
Speaker 4: can pinpoint why it's not true. Okay, well that's great.
Speaker 4: Well can you pinpoint the fact that bigfoot exists? Yeah,
Speaker 4: you can tell me that it's not supernatural because at
Speaker 4: least footprints or at least fur, this isn't that. Okay,
Speaker 4: Well can you prove that it even exists because you
Speaker 4: might have this stuff here, you're saying that's part of
Speaker 4: the bigfoot, But where's the body of it? Where do
Speaker 4: they go? Yeah, where's the bone?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Any bone?
Speaker 4: So just because you can have this sort of stuff
Speaker 4: to say this thing is possibly out there, you can't
Speaker 4: also rule out the fact that this thing could be
Speaker 4: something a little bit different that we don't understand either.
Speaker 4: And that's just how I come with it. That's I
Speaker 4: am the person that will argue with any expert because
Speaker 4: I don't believe there's an expert in any of these fields,
Speaker 4: because not everyone wants to claim they're an expert, but
Speaker 4: they're not.
Speaker 5: There's not and we're all really we're all still learning
Speaker 5: from each other. And if we would just listen to
Speaker 5: each other, that's the big thing. Instead of arguing, just listen,
Speaker 5: Just listen.
Speaker 4: The one thing I've noticed is the paranormal field, the
Speaker 4: cryptied field, the UFO fields, everyone wants to argue with
Speaker 4: each other instead of working together. Everyone wants to be
Speaker 4: the first person to make a claim at something that
Speaker 4: they're going to die on that hill because they won't
Speaker 4: be open minded about anything because they think they know
Speaker 4: what they're talking about and anyone else that has a
Speaker 4: different opinions wrong, that's right. Well, if that's your mindset,
Speaker 4: that's why nothing is being accomplished because you're too busy
Speaker 4: in your own ego.
Speaker 5: Thank you exactly exactly. That's another reason I like doing
Speaker 5: co investigations with other teams, and I really enjoy that
Speaker 5: because you learn something new. I don't care if it's
Speaker 5: one little thing that they do differently with the recorder
Speaker 5: or whatever. You can learn something and you should always
Speaker 5: be open to learning that because nobody knows everything.
Speaker 4: Right, you know. That's I'm the only person that I'm
Speaker 4: really like, I don't like socializing myself. This sounds weird,
Speaker 4: but like, I don't have any friends or anything that's
Speaker 4: into this sort of stuff in general, So I don't
Speaker 4: really talk to a whole lot of people about this
Speaker 4: type of thing. So doing the shows where I get
Speaker 4: to communicate with some people, but I don't go out
Speaker 4: there to argue and prove anything to people because I
Speaker 4: don't know anything. And I'm a first person that will
Speaker 4: admit to that. Like, but I also understand I don't
Speaker 4: think a lot of people know anything either. Like we
Speaker 4: all have good opinions, right, but that's.
Speaker 5: Why we know what we've experienced, right, But that's it.
Speaker 5: That's it. I know what I've seen, I know what
Speaker 5: I've heard, I know what I've felt in different spots.
Speaker 5: And two, somebody can argue with me all day long
Speaker 5: about well, what your EVP says, is not what you say,
Speaker 5: it does, Okay, but that's what I hear. That's what
Speaker 5: I hear. That's what I got out of it.
Speaker 8: So you know, I had.
Speaker 5: My nephew. We we started writing the science book in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty, and then COVID hit and everybody lost motivation.
Speaker 5: I lost motivation to write. I didn't get it back
Speaker 5: the next year. I didn't get it back until twenty
Speaker 5: to twenty two, and so I picked up my book
Speaker 5: and started writing it again. And this was signs of
Speaker 5: our loved ones. And a month later I lost Wyatt.
Speaker 5: Now Wyatt was nineteen and a half, my only nephew.
Speaker 5: He was the only grandson in the family. He was
Speaker 5: only child, and his mother had been told she would
Speaker 5: never carry a kid to term. She might get pregnant,
Speaker 5: but she wouldn't be able to carry one. But she
Speaker 5: carried Wyatt, and so Wyatt was just he was all
Speaker 5: of ours. And I was actually training him to be
Speaker 5: my videographer for Elk Valley Paranormal and he was listening
Speaker 5: to Sean and me when we were on investigations, and
Speaker 5: Sean when he was talking to spirit, he would say,
Speaker 5: if you're here, if anybody's here and would like to
Speaker 5: talk to us, Get as close as you can to
Speaker 5: that red dot and talk as loud as you can.
Speaker 5: Hopefully we can hear you. So a few months after
Speaker 5: Wyatt died, now he had shown himself to his mom,
Speaker 5: he'd shown himself to his grandmother, I hadn't gotten any sign.
Speaker 5: I thought. I thought I heard him come through static
Speaker 5: on the radio. I don't know if that's because I
Speaker 5: wanted to or if I really did, but I put
Speaker 5: it out there like that. I think I heard it,
Speaker 5: but I'm not sure. I don't know. And then I
Speaker 5: realized that that's why I lost motivation to write this book,
Speaker 5: because I was supposed to put his story in there,
Speaker 5: and of all the things that were popping up that
Speaker 5: he was doing. So he died. We're coming up on
Speaker 5: an angel versary. He died April to sixth, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 5: and in February twenty three, the twenty third of February
Speaker 5: twenty three, my sister was telling me the story of
Speaker 5: a vision she'd had of him visiting, and this dream
Speaker 5: where she woke up and he's there, and she said
Speaker 5: she was afraid to blink. She was afraid to move
Speaker 5: because she didn't want him to leave, right, And so
Speaker 5: she's telling me this story. I'm recording it on my phone.
Speaker 5: We're sitting there. The TV's on but on mute. Her
Speaker 5: dog is asleep in her cats asleep, and it's just
Speaker 5: her and me, and we're in her and Wyatt's house.
Speaker 5: So she had shut Wyatt's door so she could go
Speaker 5: in there anytime, so she could mel you know, that
Speaker 5: kind of thing. And it was just the way he
Speaker 5: left his room. It was another month or two before
Speaker 5: I could even open that file back up to transfer
Speaker 5: it to transcribe it. So I'm on my couch transcribing
Speaker 5: this story and I get six minutes and forty two
Speaker 5: seconds in and I hear Wyatt's voice and it shocked
Speaker 5: the hell out of me. And I rewound. Did I
Speaker 5: hear that? And I played it again and it was Wyatt.
Speaker 5: He was talking to me. And I went and banged
Speaker 5: on the bathroom door and to see if my husband
Speaker 5: had gotten in the shower yet. And he said, what's wrong?
Speaker 5: What's wrong? I said, I need you to come sit down.
Speaker 5: He said, what's wrong? Who's sick? I said, I just
Speaker 5: need you to sit down. And I played it for him,
Speaker 5: and he looked at me and he said, that's whyatt, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's WHYAT. He had listened to Sean saying, get as
Speaker 5: close as you can to that red dot, talk as
Speaker 5: loud as you can, and he did, M.
Speaker 4: Do you mind if I asked what he said?
Speaker 5: Do you want me to play it?
Speaker 4: If you have it, you can?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, just know that it is on my phone.
Speaker 5: I did have. Of course, people say, well, it was
Speaker 5: on your phone. Are you sure you didn't tape over
Speaker 5: something or have his voice playing somewhere else.
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: No, And I have told several people whether or not
Speaker 5: anybody believes me, I don't care because I know this
Speaker 5: was to me from him. So take me just a second.
Speaker 7: What happened.
Speaker 5: You're gonna hear my sister talking. She's telling me this story.
Speaker 7: Get it? Uncle drove an el Camino And I said yeah,
Speaker 7: And then he said that. Then he said, when.
Speaker 4: Did you hear that? Yeah? M, because I was played
Speaker 4: today right.
Speaker 5: That is the clearest and the loudest EVP I've ever
Speaker 5: heard of, much less gotten myself. But he there's two
Speaker 5: little taps that we didn't hear at that time, and
Speaker 5: he taps on something right before he says that, hmm,
Speaker 5: do you want to hear it one more time?
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you would, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Okay, tell me.
Speaker 7: What happened, and I said yeah, and then he said that.
Speaker 4: Then he said, I've never heard of EVP that clear
Speaker 4: and that loud.
Speaker 5: I haven't either.
Speaker 4: It literally sounds like a normal person speaking into a
Speaker 4: like he's right there. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And because most of the most of my EVPs
Speaker 5: are whispers, it's out and things.
Speaker 4: Like that, I've had a few people send me stuff
Speaker 4: to clean up for them, and I've increased the audio.
Speaker 4: I've tried to get rid of some of the background
Speaker 4: noise and everything, and you can hear things here and there,
Speaker 4: but it's hard to make out. And then there was
Speaker 4: one that was actually you could hear it sound like
Speaker 4: a little little girl, almost like a laughy noise or something. No,
Speaker 4: I don't know where they recorded this ad, so I
Speaker 4: can't say one way or the other wood it is
Speaker 4: or not, but I just know I've seen it on
Speaker 4: my computer like there's a little there's something there. So
Speaker 4: I got into that audio, brought it up, and it
Speaker 4: sound like a little kid. So where they're telling me
Speaker 4: that they hear this ad, I was like, well, there
Speaker 4: should be no kid there, but who knows. But again,
Speaker 4: I've never heard it sound like that. It's been very quiet,
Speaker 4: and you got more of a hissy sound too it
Speaker 4: because it's picking up all the background noise and everything else,
Speaker 4: so it has more of a hiss that's just straight
Speaker 4: up sounds like someone talking right into a microphone.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, like they're right there with you. And I
Speaker 5: can't explain it. And other than if I had been thinking,
Speaker 5: he knew I worked with audio and he was a musician.
Speaker 5: So if I had just been thinking, I would have
Speaker 5: been trying to listen to anything I had recorded over
Speaker 5: the last several months. But I hadn't because I don't
Speaker 5: think I was ready for one. But this was my
Speaker 5: message from Wyatt.
Speaker 4: But as far as I know, I think there's a
Speaker 4: lot to it. I think there's I want to have
Speaker 4: to say, like, I don't think that when we just
Speaker 4: die that we I want to believe that there's more
Speaker 4: to life than than just I feel like there's something
Speaker 4: else that has to be otherwise it's I want to
Speaker 4: have that hope, right. So I don't want to go
Speaker 4: out and say that I don't believe in that sort
Speaker 4: of stuff. But At the same time, I'm also not
Speaker 4: a very religious type of a person either, so I
Speaker 4: don't really align with any sort of after life in
Speaker 4: that sense. But I feel like there's something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you have to be skeptical about everything I
Speaker 5: think now, especially now. But I think that's that's where
Speaker 5: everybody's getting wrapped up in themselves, trying to debunk everything,
Speaker 5: which you should. Try to debunk everything you can, especially
Speaker 5: if it's your stuff. Try to debunk as best as
Speaker 5: you can any kind of idea you can come up
Speaker 5: with a could possibly be a far fetched reason for
Speaker 5: it not to be something not of this world. But
Speaker 5: then that's where they get into bickering and no, it
Speaker 5: can't be this because of this, Well, how do you know.
Speaker 4: No one wants to be the person that says that
Speaker 4: they're wrong. No, no, I'm wrong all the time, even
Speaker 4: though I'm wrong more than you are, even though my
Speaker 4: last name is right, so I'm always right, but I'm
Speaker 4: a lot more wrong than I usually am right. I
Speaker 4: feel like.
Speaker 5: I like that I'm always wrong about everything, and I
Speaker 5: think if more of us would act like that instead
Speaker 5: of acting like we know everything, we'd get along a
Speaker 5: lot there. But I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 4: Not to sound like a Debbie Downer, but I I
Speaker 4: don't foresee that happening. People are we are what we are. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: people are setting their ways and I don't see it
Speaker 4: changing anyone at least anytime soon.
Speaker 5: No. Maybe everybody's trying to one up. Oh you got this,
Speaker 5: well I've got this.
Speaker 4: There's always someone that's the one upper and even though
Speaker 4: half they're one up, stuff's probably bullshit. But no, not
Speaker 4: just as I can be blunt sometimes, you know.
Speaker 5: I like that. We need more of that.
Speaker 4: That's the one thing that people that know me personally.
Speaker 4: A lot of the podcast people are the listeners or anything,
Speaker 4: they don't know me because they don't actually never they
Speaker 4: see me on here or they hear me on you.
Speaker 4: They don't really see me, but they don't know the
Speaker 4: actual side of me. A lot of people like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's really monito. You never know what he's thinking, And like,
Speaker 4: I'm that way in real life too. But I'm very outspoken,
Speaker 4: and a lot of people always would say I'm kind
Speaker 4: of an asshole because but I would rather tell it
Speaker 4: like it is, a a sugarcoat it for people. I
Speaker 4: like that, and I can't always do that here because
Speaker 4: that's not what the show's about. But on certain topics
Speaker 4: or whatever, I will, I'll just be as boneheaded as
Speaker 4: everyone else and stubborn, like you're not gonna tell me
Speaker 4: this is one hundred percent fact because I know it's not.
Speaker 5: No, none of this is.
Speaker 4: None of this is.
Speaker 5: And even on my EVP, did I see why?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: Could I tell you he was standing right there by us? No,
Speaker 5: because I'm an't seeing. I just know what I hear
Speaker 5: when I play that. That's all I know.
Speaker 4: And for anyone anyone else, like, we don't know what
Speaker 4: he sounds like. So I've never heard his voice before,
Speaker 4: so I don't know that that's what his voice sounds like.
Speaker 4: And that's what you're gonna get with people that listen
Speaker 4: and Everything're like, oh, it's just someone talking. But if
Speaker 4: you know his voice, you know his voice.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I don't want I don't argue with people about
Speaker 4: stuff like that, because again, who the hell am I?
Speaker 4: And I wish people would take that sort of mantra
Speaker 4: about everything, but instead they just want to argue.
Speaker 5: They need to take that that they won't because they've
Speaker 5: got to one up. Yeah, they got to be they've
Speaker 5: got to prove their better or about something. I just
Speaker 5: I just want to learn as much as I can.
Speaker 4: That's all I want to do is find answers and
Speaker 4: give people a place to hopefully listen, learn and be entertained.
Speaker 4: And the entertaining part is actually something that I've struggled
Speaker 4: with because for me, I come from a musical background too.
Speaker 4: Like I used to do metal band stuff. I used
Speaker 4: to That's why I have the microphone, I had all
Speaker 4: the recording stuff because I used to do metal vocals.
Speaker 4: That's what I did and I don't do that anymore.
Speaker 4: And I had to have an outlet for something. And
Speaker 4: then I was like, I didn't know anything about podcasting,
Speaker 4: so like, I want to start a podcast. I started
Speaker 4: listening to podcasts and realized that my ideas were not
Speaker 4: original because apparently there's a lot of podcasts that do
Speaker 4: this type of stuff. But here I am and I
Speaker 4: enjoy it.
Speaker 5: Well that's the main thing though, Right there you found
Speaker 5: something that you enjoy, You've also found an outlet.
Speaker 4: So it gives me my creative outlet that I needed
Speaker 4: mm hm. And again, if anyone knows me, I'm not
Speaker 4: a very outgoing person, so people think it's strange that
Speaker 4: I talk to all these people, But if you see
Speaker 4: me in person, I don't go out of my way
Speaker 4: to talk to people. Now someone comes up and talks
Speaker 4: to me, I'll talk, but I don't go out of
Speaker 4: my way just to talk to people.
Speaker 5: I'm you'd rather stand back and watch.
Speaker 4: I'm very observant. Yeah, everyone's hesitant to come up to me.
Speaker 4: It is I always look angry. So I have ten
Speaker 4: different conventions that I'm going to be at this year,
Speaker 4: and I always try and bring my wife. I was like,
Speaker 4: I have to have someone that looks happy to be there,
Speaker 4: because when I look there like I naturally have resting
Speaker 4: bitch face. So everyone's afraid to come up to me
Speaker 4: because they think I'm gonna yell at him or something,
Speaker 4: or I look like I'm mad. It's like, this is me,
Speaker 4: this is how I look. I'm not mad. I'm just
Speaker 4: I can't help how my face looks.
Speaker 5: But is your wife going with you to some of them?
Speaker 4: She went to the couple with me last year. But
Speaker 4: I've got a lot more going on this year than
Speaker 4: I did last year.
Speaker 5: That's a good thing.
Speaker 4: I'll actually be in Tennessee on May.
Speaker 5: Third, so Uh.
Speaker 2: Gatlinburg, Uh kind of it's townshend just so Bigfoot. I
Speaker 2: have a boot I have a booth about that going
Speaker 2: go I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4: So I have a booth there for that one nice
Speaker 4: So I'm there, and then the end of May im
Speaker 4: in Kentucky at the Red River Gorge Bigfoot Festival, and
Speaker 4: then I'm up in Chicago for a paranormal festival in June,
Speaker 4: and like all summer and then all fall like October.
Speaker 4: I thinks every single weekend I'm somewhere all over the Midwest.
Speaker 5: Right now. I've just got one set up because I did.
Speaker 5: I think I did too much last year, and my
Speaker 5: husband goes with me and I think it him out.
Speaker 5: So I'm trying not to do as much this year.
Speaker 5: But I've got one con scheduled, and that's Gobbling Con
Speaker 5: up in Hopkinsville.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be there.
Speaker 5: I'll get to meet you in person, resting bitch face
Speaker 5: or not.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 4: I actually Geraldine. I interviewed her last summer and she
Speaker 4: reached out to me and said that they're actually doing
Speaker 4: a festival down there if I'd be interested in it.
Speaker 4: So I've gotten contact with Eric and I actually just
Speaker 4: paid the fee for the other day everything in person, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I do too. It's it's it's weird for me because
Speaker 4: I've actually had people come up and be like, oh,
Speaker 4: I love your show, and I meet all these people.
Speaker 4: I used to be in a band, so I kind
Speaker 4: of met people from that, but it wasn't like the podcast.
Speaker 4: The podcast is a lot more popular than my bands
Speaker 4: ever were.
Speaker 5: So that funny.
Speaker 4: No, So I get all these people that come up
Speaker 4: and talk to me and I'm like, oh, hey, how
Speaker 4: you doing, Like I have no idea who you are,
Speaker 4: but no, but.
Speaker 5: They listen to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it is awesome. It's been cool. Like I said,
Speaker 4: I was at the Indiana Bigfoot Conference last September and
Speaker 4: I met a lot of people that apparently listened. I
Speaker 4: was like, well, I appreciate everyone that listens.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I am trying to talk myself into starting my
Speaker 5: own podcast and bring in different people to talk about
Speaker 5: their stories and you know what got them going. But
Speaker 5: it's one of those things I have not kicked myself
Speaker 5: in the butt hard enough to do it yet. I
Speaker 5: keep I keep stressing out just a little bit too
Speaker 5: much and going okay, no mate, I'm not ready yet.
Speaker 5: I'm not yet.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize how many people do podcasts when I started,
Speaker 4: and now that I've been doing this, I feel like
Speaker 4: there's I see new ones every other day and it's
Speaker 4: hard to I don't listen and I don't want to
Speaker 4: sten like a dick, But I don't listen to other
Speaker 4: podcasts really because I'm always doing this. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 4: have I work a full time job, I have four kids,
Speaker 4: they all do sports. I'm married. I come out here
Speaker 4: and I record like three to four times a week,
Speaker 4: and then I have to edit everything. I don't have
Speaker 4: time to listen to anyone else's stuff. So I used
Speaker 4: to when I drove a lot for work. And I'm
Speaker 4: about to start driving about an hour and a half
Speaker 4: one direction to get to my work here in the
Speaker 4: next couple of weeks, so I'll start to be able
Speaker 4: to listen to stuff again. But for the past almost
Speaker 4: two years, I had like I've either been working from
Speaker 4: home where I drove for fifteen minutes. I'm not listening
Speaker 4: to anything, right, So there's a lot of shows that
Speaker 4: I don't listen to. But I never listened to a
Speaker 4: lot in the first place. Like I started this show
Speaker 4: without ever listening to podcasts. I hadn't no idea what
Speaker 4: I was doing, but I figured something out. So all that,
Speaker 4: all of that being said, if someone has zero knowledge
Speaker 4: of anything about podcasting can be where I'm at now,
Speaker 4: Like I encourage you to do.
Speaker 5: It, Hey, I've got to kick myself to do it.
Speaker 5: I've got to. I really do need to. I know
Speaker 5: I'd have fun at it.
Speaker 4: And this room is actually a lofted cabin, a pull
Speaker 4: barn or not, but one of those already put together
Speaker 4: barns that they come and deliver to you. And I
Speaker 4: converted into a studio podcast pace for itself. So it
Speaker 4: took me two years to get to the point to
Speaker 4: where I'm not losing money. So for the first two
Speaker 4: years I was literally paying money. But I started to
Speaker 4: get to the point so everything that I make for
Speaker 4: the podcast goes back into the podcast, so it covers
Speaker 4: a payment for this thing, it covers everything else I need,
Speaker 4: so it works out so I don't lose money anymore.
Speaker 4: So there's at least that now the stigma is that
Speaker 4: they think people are making money on podcasts. I will
Speaker 4: show you proof that I don't make money on podcasts.
Speaker 4: It all goes back in there. There are some people
Speaker 4: that might make a lot, but I'm not making a lot,
Speaker 4: and I.
Speaker 5: Don't think most of them out there are making anything.
Speaker 4: No, Like, it's very hard to get to that point.
Speaker 4: I'm on a specific agreement with a hosting service, so
Speaker 4: I get kick from that. Like i got offered to
Speaker 4: be on a prime network, so I'm basically getting revenue
Speaker 4: from the ads a place in there which people complain
Speaker 4: about hearing commercials, Like, if you watch TV, you.
Speaker 5: Hear commercials, you're going to hear them anyway. Yep.
Speaker 4: I don't like all the commercials on the show anyways,
Speaker 4: but it basically pays for me to do this show,
Speaker 4: so why not have them exactly? And if people don't
Speaker 4: like it, I have a Patreon two dollars a month,
Speaker 4: you get no ads, and you get all the episodes
Speaker 4: two months early.
Speaker 5: Oh that's that's incredible. That's another thing to think about.
Speaker 4: Then I'm well, we've been booked for a while, but
Speaker 4: I'm usually two months ahead. I literally was just talking
Speaker 4: with one of my other friends that's a podcaster. I
Speaker 4: have enough stuff recorded already to get me through the
Speaker 4: first week of May, and I have enough stuff scheduled
Speaker 4: to get me through the end of July, and that's
Speaker 4: I could basically take the month of June and July
Speaker 4: off from doing anything and I'd still have enough. That's
Speaker 4: providing everyone actually shows up for their interviews. Got the
Speaker 4: other thing. If you interview people, a lot of people
Speaker 4: tend to ghost you.
Speaker 5: Oh that's lovely.
Speaker 4: That's why I have so many scheduled out because before
Speaker 4: I used to get ghosted a lot by people. Oh no, so,
Speaker 4: but now they haven't been doing that, so that I'm
Speaker 4: like way booked up, so I've get so many episodes.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I'm not going to complain.
Speaker 5: Well, I know when I was looking at you trying
Speaker 5: to get your attention, you were busy. You were super busy,
Speaker 5: and uh, I know I had to reach back out
Speaker 5: because you were just super super busy. So that's a
Speaker 5: good thing.
Speaker 4: Though I feel really bad because I actually just scheduled
Speaker 4: a few people that reached out to me in December
Speaker 4: because I said I had to get back to them.
Speaker 4: But I get so bombarded and then I will just
Speaker 4: post something and say hey, I've got a couple openings,
Speaker 4: and then I get like fifteen people messaging me. So
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, how do I figure out
Speaker 4: who who. Oh, No, I only have so many evenings
Speaker 4: that I can do something on.
Speaker 6: So but.
Speaker 4: Softball and baseball season is now starting.
Speaker 6: Ah.
Speaker 4: This is the first year since I've been doing the
Speaker 4: show that I'm not coaching, so I shouldn't have to
Speaker 4: be too much involved with it. But I still want
Speaker 4: to be there for their games.
Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely. I don't know how you coached and did
Speaker 5: all be above.
Speaker 4: Everyone asked me the same thing, how do you do
Speaker 4: everything that you do?
Speaker 5: I was like, I don't know, it's just to get
Speaker 5: it's done somehow.
Speaker 4: That's why I record at nine o'clock at night, because
Speaker 4: at that point everyone goes to bed and I come
Speaker 4: out here.
Speaker 5: This is like your quiet time kind of For the
Speaker 5: most part.
Speaker 4: I used to record in the basement, but I had
Speaker 4: to get out of the basement because my two oldest
Speaker 4: are down in the basement and some of these interviews
Speaker 4: go on past ten o'clock eleven o'clock at night, and
Speaker 4: then my kids right outside the door. He's like, why
Speaker 4: are we talking about all that demonic stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 4: just go to sleep.
Speaker 5: Uh, yeah, it's not involving you.
Speaker 4: Tell every mine. On the morning, he was talking about
Speaker 4: a lot of weird stuff. I had nightmares. I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, I want I'm gonna get out of the house.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So now you've got your studio by itself. That's
Speaker 5: a good thing.
Speaker 4: It does what it needs to do.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: Is there anything else on your end? We've found to
Speaker 4: talk about me here? I feel like it's been the
Speaker 4: interview got switched over to my own self.
Speaker 5: But I've enjoyed it. Though I've enjoyed it to know
Speaker 5: you I had. I'm actually gonna go over to a
Speaker 5: place called Antoinette Hall the end of this month for
Speaker 5: an investigation. It's a public investigation and a couple of
Speaker 5: my friends are putting it on. So that's over in Pulaski.
Speaker 5: It was an old Star theater and I'm excited about
Speaker 5: that next month, April the twelfth. Do you know who
Speaker 5: mister pat fits you is? Bell?
Speaker 4: Which guy I know, the bell Witch but I don't
Speaker 4: know his name.
Speaker 8: He's the one that has done over forty years of
Speaker 8: research on the bell Witch family and the terror.
Speaker 5: And the cave and everything that's happened. So he's written
Speaker 5: maybe four books on the subject. And he's going to
Speaker 5: be with me and at the Nighthouse in Hopkinsville, and
Speaker 5: the Nighthouse is owned by Eric Freeman Simms, who's a
Speaker 5: friend of mine.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be interviewing him next week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said, he said to you, and told I
Speaker 5: told him. I said, oh, I'm going to get on
Speaker 5: there for you. But his the Nighthouse is his pretty
Speaker 5: much retirement, you know. And that's he's booking teams to
Speaker 5: come in now and it's going pretty well for him.
Speaker 5: But we've got the second public Hunt coming out April twelfth,
Speaker 5: and then that's going to be from seven until eleven.
Speaker 5: But that day, from twelve until three, we're going to
Speaker 5: have us two authors talking about He's going to talk
Speaker 5: about Belwich. I'm going to talk about Signs from Our
Speaker 5: Loved Ones. And he wants me to talk about signs
Speaker 5: for Goblin Con too, So I'm going to be speaking
Speaker 5: about Signs from Our Loved Ones. So you might hear
Speaker 5: a couple of stories again when you're over there, but
Speaker 5: hopefully you'll enjoy them. But that's what I've got going on,
Speaker 5: just working on editing right now and trying to get
Speaker 5: these books done.
Speaker 4: Last year, I had to speak at two different events
Speaker 4: that were local. I talked about the one I talked
Speaker 4: about the upright walking Canine, which that was just it's
Speaker 4: on the same the place that they do with a
Speaker 4: side is on the same road that this happened, so
Speaker 4: I didn't mind talking about it there, and someone listening
Speaker 4: actually stood up and so that they saw one themselves
Speaker 4: and ended up being in the same location as someone else.
Speaker 4: And then one of the other ones that I spoke
Speaker 4: at was a paranormal convention down in crawfordgil But I
Speaker 4: talked about all the weird stuff that goes on in
Speaker 4: my house with that one.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, So.
Speaker 4: I kind of enjoyed talking just because it almost felt
Speaker 4: like I was back being in a band again. I
Speaker 4: missed that.
Speaker 5: It's almost like performing right to.
Speaker 4: An extent a little bit.
Speaker 5: I just.
Speaker 4: People act like, oh, they can't get up there and
Speaker 4: talk in front of people or whatever. I was like,
Speaker 4: I used to go up there and screaming a microphone,
Speaker 4: look like an idiot, Like it didn't matter to me,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: I it took me until I was thirty to be
Speaker 5: able to talk in front of people. But once I
Speaker 5: passed that, now you can't shut me up. So I
Speaker 5: can talk about just about anything with anybody. I don't
Speaker 5: know a lot. I know a little bit about a
Speaker 5: lot of different things, not expert in anything.
Speaker 8: That is.
Speaker 4: The way I feel like I should be too. I don't.
Speaker 4: I know a little bit here and there, but at
Speaker 4: the end of that, I don't.
Speaker 5: Know anything, don't I don't still learning.
Speaker 4: Well, it has been a pleasure talking to you. But
Speaker 4: before we wrap this up, where can everyone find your
Speaker 4: books up?
Speaker 5: You can find my books on Amazon Send Trader Hill.
Speaker 5: You can find me on Facebook also Sin Trader Hill
Speaker 5: author my team is on Facebook. ELK Value Paranormal. You
Speaker 5: can go to my website elk Valueparanormal dot com and
Speaker 5: actually listen to my EVPs and see the evidence that
Speaker 5: me and my team have caught in different places, especially
Speaker 5: the old hospital here in Lincoln County. You can also
Speaker 5: listen to all of those EVPs in my third book,
Speaker 5: They're Speaking. Are you listening? There's a drop down menu
Speaker 5: from evidence that you just click on there Speaking and
Speaker 5: you can hear all of them. There's over one hundred.
Speaker 5: If you have Kendall and you subscribe to Kendall Unlimited,
Speaker 5: all five of my books are free, so you can't
Speaker 5: beat that. And stay on the lookout for books six, seven,
Speaker 5: and eight coming to you shortly hopefully. If you've got
Speaker 5: a story you'd like for me to consider for one
Speaker 5: of my books, please reach out to me Sentraderhill, author
Speaker 5: at gmail dot com.
Speaker 4: Awesome, well said, It's been a pleasure talking to you.
Speaker 5: It's been wonderful talking to you. Glad to finally meet you,
Speaker 5: and I look forward to seeing you in person.
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