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Speaker 4: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
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Speaker 4: it's Tuesday, March eighteenth, twenty twenty five. We have a
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Speaker 4: today's guest. Brian. Thank you so much for joining us
Speaker 4: this morning. How are you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, George, thank you really appreciate having me on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pleasure to have you on. And before
Speaker 4: we get started, please do take a moment or two
Speaker 4: and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: Sure. So my name is Brian, like George said, just
Speaker 1: an average guy. Live in uh the Midwest, so middle
Speaker 1: of the middle of America, so we get hit with
Speaker 1: all the weather. But I do enjoy all the seasons,
Speaker 1: have a family, own a business or two. Just try
Speaker 1: to be the best person I can be, as you know,
Speaker 1: walking in this world that we're living in. It so
Speaker 1: not a big self promoter, so I don't really talk
Speaker 1: about myself a whole lot. So I guess that's all
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you.
Speaker 4: There you go. You know, being in the military for
Speaker 4: a long time, I've lived in places like Hawaii where
Speaker 4: you don't get the four seasons. And as spectacular as
Speaker 4: Hawaii is, it never really felt like home.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I'm the type of person that has to have, you know,
Speaker 4: the summer, then the fall, the winter. I really that's
Speaker 4: just I think that has to do with the area
Speaker 4: that we grow up in. Right, if you were born
Speaker 4: and raised in Hawaii, that's probably what you would love
Speaker 4: and expect. But for me, man, the four seasons, that's
Speaker 4: important to me.
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent. Look forward to the change,
Speaker 1: and it gives you something to look forward to. One
Speaker 1: time we were in Florida for Christmas and I just
Speaker 1: hated it. It just didn't feel like Christmas, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that definitely has an effect on you. But
Speaker 1: like you're saying, people that probably grow up in Florida,
Speaker 1: you know, if they were up here during Christmas, they
Speaker 1: made the opposite exactly.
Speaker 4: That's a great point. So talk a little bit. You're
Speaker 4: a busy guy, you own a few businesses. Where where
Speaker 4: did your your critical thinking come from? And and was
Speaker 4: it something that you've always had or was there a particular,
Speaker 4: you know, something that you came across that made you
Speaker 4: stop and think about these things.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I've always had a problem
Speaker 1: with authority. That's probably the wrong way to describe it,
Speaker 1: but I have always asked why, you know. When I
Speaker 1: was a lot younger, I didn't get along with any
Speaker 1: of my teachers, but that change as I matured. I
Speaker 1: I think my my parents did a really good job
Speaker 1: of just letting me ask questions and be curious and
Speaker 1: uh not try to control my every move. So that's
Speaker 1: probably where it stems from. I mean, ultimately it sims
Speaker 1: from God how we were made. And some people just
Speaker 1: have certain gifts, and one of my spiritual gifts is discernment,
Speaker 1: So I have a pretty good meter, I guess. For lies,
Speaker 1: anyone can be fooled George, as you know, but when
Speaker 1: something's not you know, doesn't smell right, so to speak,
Speaker 1: I can I can usually notice pretty quickly.
Speaker 4: Sorry. What's interesting to me is I think many of us,
Speaker 4: at one point of our life, no matter if you're
Speaker 4: a flat earther or just as they say, the normoust
Speaker 4: of norms, have at one point, even for one minute
Speaker 4: in our life, thought about helio centric and just kind
Speaker 4: of just for a second at least. But this is
Speaker 4: really wacky. This doesn't really make a lot of sense,
Speaker 4: and you know, I've had that even in my childhood.
Speaker 4: But I think it really speaks to the effort that
Speaker 4: the controllers, if you will, put into this kind of
Speaker 4: syop And I wonder what it is that separates the
Speaker 4: people who investigate further from those who just kind of
Speaker 4: go along with the narrative.
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. Really has something to do
Speaker 1: with personality traits and how people were raised. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff stems from childhood. You know, you see,
Speaker 1: for instance, you'll see parents acting like their parents did
Speaker 1: you know, abusive and things like that when because it
Speaker 1: was learned. So environment is a lot of it. But
Speaker 1: you know, they do a really good job. I wanted
Speaker 1: to be an astronaut when I was little, So they
Speaker 1: do a really good job grooming kids with shows and
Speaker 1: you know, movies and you know books. You open up
Speaker 1: any of the books and you see, you know, these
Speaker 1: astronauts and stuff in the in the educational books. So
Speaker 1: some of it's learned. I think some of it is innate,
Speaker 1: some of it, you know, is environment. I some people
Speaker 1: just follow directions and don't ask questions, and you know,
Speaker 1: and some people they need more information before they you know,
Speaker 1: before you put this in my body, I really need
Speaker 1: to know where did it come from? You know, what
Speaker 1: are they going to do things like that?
Speaker 4: You know, I've heard stories of people in the military
Speaker 4: who wanted to be astronauts. One of the initial things
Speaker 4: they have to do is to take a they call it,
Speaker 4: I forget the name of the test, but I believe
Speaker 4: when you look through history, the people who are involved
Speaker 4: in these mass operations, if you will, if you look
Speaker 4: at Lee Harvey Oswald, if you look at Timothy McVeigh,
Speaker 4: both of those guys were in the military, and I
Speaker 4: think that these they I think they call them aptitude tests,
Speaker 4: just a simple aptitude test, and I think the questions,
Speaker 4: you know, may were created maybe in a gobels Berne style,
Speaker 4: where if you know, this test is answered in a
Speaker 4: certain fashion, then this person may be susceptible to certain
Speaker 4: control traits, if you will, for lack of a better words,
Speaker 4: And because at some point, when when in a lot
Speaker 4: of people in the military pilots that they apply for
Speaker 4: a NASSA, at some point they have to be and
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the people at the top of the
Speaker 4: food chain, they have to be able to discern who
Speaker 4: can be controlled and who cannot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent. Some people
Speaker 1: get so focused on the goal it's like just completing
Speaker 1: the task, just making it to the next level. They
Speaker 1: don't even look up to see what's actually happening. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you've ever taken any
Speaker 1: of the personality tests, but there are you know, hundreds
Speaker 1: of them on mind and you can take those and
Speaker 1: then they give you a result at the end and
Speaker 1: you're like, man, that that is me, you know, to
Speaker 1: a tease some of them it's kind of scary. So
Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent. There are questions
Speaker 1: where you can find out information about someone and what
Speaker 1: you know they're going to question authority or if they're
Speaker 1: just going to toe the line. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise
Speaker 1: me at all.
Speaker 4: So as a young child, you said you wanted to
Speaker 4: be an astronaut, So that's with that being said, then
Speaker 4: growing up you were all about the moon landing story.
Speaker 4: I guess at what age were you when you did
Speaker 4: you start to question that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of funny, isn't it. You want to be
Speaker 1: an astronaut when you're little.
Speaker 4: But did we look up and that'd be cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it would be cool. And I think a
Speaker 1: couple of shows you've talked about the Challenger explosion. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I was in the third grade and I
Speaker 1: remember sitting in the classroom and like you said, they
Speaker 1: wheeled in the TV and everybody watched it, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's a big buy, all the stuff with, you know,
Speaker 1: and they had the teacher going up and it was
Speaker 1: really cool, and then all of a sudden it explodes.
Speaker 1: And I think that probably eliminated a lot of people's
Speaker 1: dreams of being an astronaut, right that they did for
Speaker 1: that generation at least. So I don't know why you
Speaker 1: want to be one, but it seems to be common
Speaker 1: in childhood. But I do remember thinking it's not for
Speaker 1: me anymore, and then I forget. I actually forgot. You've questioned, George.
Speaker 4: At what point did you start to question the moon landing?
Speaker 1: Oh, the moon landing. I had thought about that, and
Speaker 1: I don't really understand the timing of it. It just
Speaker 1: never seemed right to me, and I think I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think that my my mom per se believed
Speaker 1: it either, but she never guided me, say you it
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't real. But I remember saying, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't. I don't believe that we actually
Speaker 1: went to the moon. But if you do any any
Speaker 1: any person with any kind of reasonable mind, just looks
Speaker 1: at the lunar lotch Off, it was like, whoa, it
Speaker 1: looks like a like a glitter toaster took off from
Speaker 1: the moon.
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, it's so poorly.
Speaker 1: Done, you know what I mean. But it Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you look into it at all, it's pretty obvious it's fake.
Speaker 1: And in fact, that was one of the things I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about. I the Moon movie
Speaker 1: came out. I don't remember the title of The Moon.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, flow me to the Moon. And I
Speaker 1: was really curious how they were going to because I
Speaker 1: remember one of the previews that it brought up a
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick, and I was like that that piqued my interest.
Speaker 1: So I was going to watch it when it came out,
Speaker 1: and I was curious how they were going to twist it.
Speaker 1: So in the movie they basically told you the whole truth,
Speaker 1: how they faked it, why you know why they faked it,
Speaker 1: and the whole progression. And then I don't want to
Speaker 1: spoil it for anyone. But uh, and then and then
Speaker 1: they just make a little twist at the very end,
Speaker 1: and they make you think that the lie is the
Speaker 1: truth and the truth is the lie. That's the best
Speaker 1: way to put it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what they do. They invert everything. And that
Speaker 4: was a movie. If I had to describe it in
Speaker 4: one word, it would be gatekeeping. They would say, yeah,
Speaker 4: we well, we had plans to to to kind of
Speaker 4: you know, in case things went wrong. We had a
Speaker 4: plan in place to to you know, shoot it in
Speaker 4: a in a studio, but we didn't really have to.
Speaker 4: And that's what that movie was. It was gatekeeping. And
Speaker 4: like you said, it was inverting the truth, which is
Speaker 4: what they do. That's why the Black and White, the
Speaker 4: Freemasons have the checkered every thing is inverted.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's one hundred percent. That's why when people
Speaker 1: hear the story about a movie producer, you know who
Speaker 1: who shot a movie and they recruited him to film
Speaker 1: the moon Landing and you know, and now when someone
Speaker 1: hears that, I was like, oh, yeah, I saw that
Speaker 1: in the movie. They yeah, they did that as a backup,
Speaker 1: just in case, which is the complete opposite of what happened.
Speaker 1: And my question about the moon landing was, so the
Speaker 1: first guy that gets out of shuttle and he's climbing
Speaker 1: down the the ladder, right, that's right, Neil Armstrong? Right?
Speaker 1: So who was out there filming them? And then and
Speaker 1: then what happened to the guy that they left there
Speaker 1: when they took off? You know what I mean? No
Speaker 1: one ever thinks about. They just watch it and the
Speaker 1: oh him, man, look he's going on the moon, but
Speaker 1: no one thinks about how did they film that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's also a lot of gatekeeping articles out
Speaker 4: there still to this day. The one that comes to
Speaker 4: mind is the one from the Guardian. Why so many
Speaker 4: people still think the moon landings were faked? And they
Speaker 4: all blame it on Bill Casing because he wasn't the
Speaker 4: first one who doubted the moonland He's just kind of
Speaker 4: the first person who wrote a book and came public
Speaker 4: with it. Because back in the seventies or whenever Bill
Speaker 4: wrote his book, I don't recall when that was. I
Speaker 4: think it was mid seventies. But back then it's not
Speaker 4: like you could go on Amazon KDP and publish a
Speaker 4: book like everybody can write a book now, like everybody
Speaker 4: can write a song now because of the Internet. But
Speaker 4: his book was the first one that kind of shined
Speaker 4: a light on America's thirty billion dollars swindle, is what
Speaker 4: he called it. And the story from The Guardian, you know,
Speaker 4: talks about how it took four hundred thousand NASA employees
Speaker 4: and contractors to put Neil Armstrong and buzz Aldron on
Speaker 4: the moon, but it doesn't talk about things like compartmentalization.
Speaker 4: Not every one of those employees, one person was in
Speaker 4: there doing contracts, and you know, everybody had their own
Speaker 4: individual job, just like the military, just like any large organization.
Speaker 4: And it's just very interesting to me how many people
Speaker 4: still believe to this day now. I looked at some stats.
Speaker 4: I think back in July of nineteen sixty nine, over
Speaker 4: ninety percent of the American population believe that we went
Speaker 4: to the moon. Now it's somewhere between. It's depending on
Speaker 4: what article you look at, it's right around fifty percent.
Speaker 4: So my question is, why is it now today that
Speaker 4: more and more people question the narrative. Are people finally
Speaker 4: starting to wake up just for instance, And I know
Speaker 4: these are two totally different things, but you know, over
Speaker 4: ninety percent of people in July nineteen sixty nine, believe
Speaker 4: that we went to the moon. If you'd go back
Speaker 4: to March of twenty twenty, it's more like seventy five
Speaker 4: percent of the people brought into the narrative, which meant
Speaker 4: one out of every four people thought. I think there's
Speaker 4: something a little strange about this. So do you think
Speaker 4: it's a generational thing or is it simply that just
Speaker 4: now we have the Internet and we're able to have
Speaker 4: this type of conversation more freely.
Speaker 1: For sure, the Internet plays a role, just because you
Speaker 1: have so much information at your fingertips. Now, it's not
Speaker 1: all true information, and you should definitely check the sources.
Speaker 4: It's a great point.
Speaker 1: But I also think that had they been going to
Speaker 1: the moon back and forth my whole life, then yeah,
Speaker 1: it would have been believable. But to never go back
Speaker 1: and then to lie about it and say, yeah, we
Speaker 1: lost the technology, I mean, could you imagine waking up
Speaker 1: one day and they'd be like, yeah, we uh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to go back to flip phones because we
Speaker 1: lost the technology to make these new iPhones. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: can't update them anymore or anything. So yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just too painful of a process. To go back to
Speaker 1: iPhones now, so uh, flip phones. It is ere buddy,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean like they just taken some spools
Speaker 1: and anyone would believe that should probably get their head examined.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. And the example that you made there
Speaker 4: with that astronaut, I forget his name, but he was
Speaker 4: just h He came to the forefront again just a
Speaker 4: few days ago when that thing docked with the ISS
Speaker 4: in the video looked like something out of call Ecovision
Speaker 4: or like the original Nintendo Entertainment System. Uh, and he
Speaker 4: was being mopped. Don Pettitt, that's his name.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They showed video from like two days ago, something to
Speaker 4: have to do with the ISS, and it was just
Speaker 4: awful eighties technology. And that's I think the reason why
Speaker 4: they do it. I think because they're all about mockery
Speaker 4: and they want to see how many people actually believe
Speaker 4: this nonsense, because the the video that was shot was
Speaker 4: just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's all. It's all a movie just
Speaker 1: to keep people entertained. That's what I think about it.
Speaker 1: But but since I've been I work outside every day,
Speaker 1: George and I have really paid attention to the sky
Speaker 1: and the sun and the moon. And one thing that
Speaker 1: I've never heard talked about, and they say, I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm the only person that knows this, but I
Speaker 1: definitely haven't heard it on your show is the phases
Speaker 1: of the moon and how the moon moves. You can
Speaker 1: see the moon in the evening, and the best way
Speaker 1: to describe the moon, like if you're just staring at it,
Speaker 1: there's a quarter of the moon that usually is light
Speaker 1: and the rest of it has these dark spots on it.
Speaker 1: Right above the light part looks like, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of like two fingers, like an arm reaching out with
Speaker 1: two fingers. Typically at night, you'll see those two fingers
Speaker 1: point about like a three o'clock if you're looking at
Speaker 1: the face of your watch, those two fingers point to
Speaker 1: the two and then that that quarter of the light
Speaker 1: spot will be between three and six. Are you following me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully that makes sense. Okay, So well, a lot of
Speaker 1: times the moon will still be I'll get up and
Speaker 1: you know, five, six, seven, and the sky will be
Speaker 1: clear enough. It's rare, but it'll be clear enough where
Speaker 1: you can still see the moon. Now, the moon's not
Speaker 1: in the east, it's in the west now, and the
Speaker 1: moon has made a quarter turn, like if you were
Speaker 1: going to spin your watch a quarter. Now, those two
Speaker 1: fingers are pointing down at six and the light spot
Speaker 1: of the moon is in the sticks to nine area.
Speaker 4: So it's done a quarter rotation clockwise, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Correct. So at first I thought, well, we must see
Speaker 1: the front, the front part of it, and now we
Speaker 1: see the back of it. But but that isn't that
Speaker 1: isn't the case. And I so the phases of the
Speaker 1: moon and how the moon moves and how it actually
Speaker 1: I'm going to use the word rotate, but not in
Speaker 1: a spinning motion, but like rotating like you twisted your watch.
Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone talk about that.
Speaker 4: That is interesting, and I should speak more to the
Speaker 4: luminaries moving and us being stationary versus what they tell
Speaker 4: us exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One which which also brings me to the solar
Speaker 1: eclipse that happened last spring. I mean, I did get
Speaker 1: a night on T one thousand, and I recorded the
Speaker 1: h I was actually talking to my mom this morning
Speaker 1: that morning, and I said, well, if there's gonna be
Speaker 1: something they don't want us to see, they're gonna we're
Speaker 1: to have more Kim trails than ever before, and my goodness,
Speaker 1: they were out.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe all the kin trail that morning, and
Speaker 1: it was ridiculous how how much flying was going around
Speaker 1: polluting the sky. But regardless us, you could still see
Speaker 1: the eclipse obviously. But I know it wasn't the moon
Speaker 1: because the moon and the sun moved from uh left,
Speaker 1: the right, and this thing whatever it was that covered
Speaker 1: the eclipse, the sun was moving right to left and
Speaker 1: from down to up, if that makes sense, instead of
Speaker 1: instead of if if it was the moon, they would
Speaker 1: have met and it would have The moon always moves
Speaker 1: from left or right, and it also moves up. It
Speaker 1: doesn't go. It was the opposite direction that the moon
Speaker 1: would move. So I know, I don't know what it was, George,
Speaker 1: but I do know that south of it was not
Speaker 1: the most Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've had I've heard people mention that as well,
Speaker 4: and it's very interesting. And I know one thing for
Speaker 4: sure that it isn't what they tell us. The one
Speaker 4: thing I remember, well, there were two things I remember.
Speaker 4: Number one is what you mentioned at first. But the
Speaker 4: other thing was it was interesting that the the path
Speaker 4: that it took and it went through a bunch of
Speaker 4: towns that all had the same name, Ninevah, which is
Speaker 4: a prominent it's really prominently featured in the book of
Speaker 4: Jonah and the Old Testament. That to me was interesting.
Speaker 4: And it in Iraq and the town of Mosel, the
Speaker 4: northernmost town in Iraq, the name Nineveh is still used
Speaker 4: for a portion of that city. So I think there
Speaker 4: was something. You know, God intentionally creates these things. You
Speaker 4: know what it is. I'm not really sure, but it
Speaker 4: certainly isn't what you tell us. But I remember I
Speaker 4: either said it on the podcast or I mentioned it
Speaker 4: on social media with the pictures that morning, because I
Speaker 4: want to say, the eclipse didn't happen until like two
Speaker 4: or three o'clock in the afternoon, and that morning, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the night before we had never my wife and
Speaker 4: I had never seen so many chemtrails.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't it crazy? Yes? I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: you see them every day, and anyone that thinks back,
Speaker 1: and once in a while you'll see an airplane go
Speaker 1: by and you'll see a little bit of white coming out,
Speaker 1: but it immediately dissipates, it doesn't stay. But then then
Speaker 1: you'll see days where they're just making x'es and tic
Speaker 1: tac toes and I mean, and they're gone, the plane's gone,
Speaker 1: you know, but two hours later you can still see
Speaker 1: their their trail and it's just expanding. So and in fact,
Speaker 1: anyone that doesn't believe in those kim trails can just
Speaker 1: go to Harvard's website and they actually admit that they
Speaker 1: do spray the sky. Of course, they they want to
Speaker 1: flip it and say it's for your benefit because of
Speaker 1: global warming, if you believe that. But but all the
Speaker 1: all of the truth is out there if you want
Speaker 1: to search and find it. But yeah, that morning, I
Speaker 1: just couldn't. I couldn't believe how much, how many trails
Speaker 1: are in the sky. Was It was ridiculous.
Speaker 4: What was the website that you had mentioned that people
Speaker 4: can look up.
Speaker 1: You can go to Harvard's website and you can search
Speaker 1: it on Harvard for They they actually released the public
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's publication, but it is on
Speaker 1: their website.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I found it. I'll post it in the
Speaker 4: show notes. It's so it's they they say it's a
Speaker 4: solar g engineering geo engineering. Pardon me right. There's actually
Speaker 4: a lot of articles on their website about this. That's
Speaker 4: very interesting. Yeah, the Harvard Solar Geoengineering Research Program. M hm,
Speaker 4: there you go. That is interesting. I'm not sure I've
Speaker 4: seen that before. You know, it's interesting to me. I
Speaker 4: know in the Bible, it doesn't specifically the word eclipse
Speaker 4: obviously isn't written in the Bible, nor would it have been.
Speaker 4: That word didn't exist back then. But it's if you
Speaker 4: put it in context. Uh, where these you know, heavens
Speaker 4: are trembling, the sun and the moon darkening. It's usually
Speaker 4: preceding the day of the Lord. And if you look
Speaker 4: up April ninth, twenty twenty four, which is the day
Speaker 4: after which the eclipse would have been. The day before,
Speaker 4: on April ninth, twenty twenty four, Arizona Supreme Court upholds
Speaker 4: a Civil War era abortion law, effectively banning the procedure
Speaker 4: in the state. That to me, I'll remember how you know,
Speaker 4: it's supposed to be these type of things happened the
Speaker 4: day before the Lord and the next day a law
Speaker 4: comes out effectively banning abortion. I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 1: That is interesting. Yeah, that's we can get into whatever
Speaker 1: you want to, George. But part of the problem with
Speaker 1: vaccines is they use aboarded beetle tissue, aboarded beetle tissue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, you won't be able to convince me otherwise
Speaker 1: abortion is well, lack of a better word, it is murder.
Speaker 1: I know, there are insinuating circumstances. I mean, just look
Speaker 1: at how many abortions that there are and still still
Speaker 1: are you know. So yeah, banning those I think is
Speaker 1: a step in the right direction.
Speaker 4: And I think most of the listeners agree with that.
Speaker 1: Brian, Yeah, okay, well we won't have to go down that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't have you ever heard anyone talk.
Speaker 4: About how the moon things like that, not to my recollection.
Speaker 4: We've done about two hundred of these, so somebody may
Speaker 4: have mentioned it, but I don't really recall that. And
Speaker 4: that is something, you know, every time we get a
Speaker 4: new nugget. That's another thing that's interesting to me. All
Speaker 4: the you know, the hundreds of people I've talked to,
Speaker 4: and every time, you know, we find a new piece
Speaker 4: of information, it consistently amazes me. And these are the
Speaker 4: things that we need to put together. So when we
Speaker 4: introduce the subject to someone who is, you know, knee
Speaker 4: deep in heliocentrism, these are the things that we need
Speaker 4: to be able to properly, you know, articulate to people
Speaker 4: to try to get them to understand the truth.
Speaker 1: Right. I agree when I and a lot of people
Speaker 1: try to use the Bible to prove flat earth, George
Speaker 1: and I actually like to say, I mean, there is
Speaker 1: zero evidence of heliocentrism in the Bible. I agree. It's
Speaker 1: actually using the Bible to disprove their model. M m.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that says that we're just spinning out of
Speaker 1: control one direction while the Sun's going in a different direction,
Speaker 1: and then we're in this massive conglomerate you know, galaxy
Speaker 1: going in a different direction. But there's you know, billions
Speaker 1: and billions of them out there. Just to make you
Speaker 1: feel insignificant. I mean, it says in the Bible you're
Speaker 1: uniquely and wonderfully made, and God knew you, you know,
Speaker 1: before you were born, So that their whole goal is
Speaker 1: to take God and God's creation out of people's minds
Speaker 1: and depend on them and try to live on this
Speaker 1: earth forever even though this is our.
Speaker 4: Home, agreed. And all you have to do is look
Speaker 4: at Genesis chapter two, verse one, and it's very simple
Speaker 4: and to the point. It says, and this is King
Speaker 4: James version. Thus the heavens and the Earth were finished,
Speaker 4: and all the hosts of them host meaning large, So
Speaker 4: it was obviously this is a large area he created,
Speaker 4: and he also created the heavens and the Earth, and
Speaker 4: it was finished. This isn't you know a game, a
Speaker 4: video game where the area keeps expanding by itself and
Speaker 4: keeps generating. If you know, I've never done the math,
Speaker 4: but if what they say the Earth is like thirteen
Speaker 4: point eight billion years old, and then you multiply that
Speaker 4: by how fast the galaxy, the Milky Way or whatever
Speaker 4: is going four hundred some thousand miles per hour, how
Speaker 4: far have we traveled without bumping into anything in all
Speaker 4: that time? Which is just if I try to put
Speaker 4: that in my calculator, my calculator would melt trying to
Speaker 4: come up with that number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's I would like to get a bunch of
Speaker 1: different scientists and you know, astronomers in the same room
Speaker 1: and have them explain to each other, you know, how
Speaker 1: old something is or how fast we're going, because it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like that any of them agree to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, how far away we are from the Sun
Speaker 1: has changed so many times over the years, and I
Speaker 1: always go back to, how how are they measuring these
Speaker 1: things anyway? You know, it blows me away how you
Speaker 1: could even measure something that far away, you know it
Speaker 1: just if anyone did any critical thinking at all, just
Speaker 1: ask one question after you find out something. I remember
Speaker 1: as a kid seeing you know, waiting in the grocery
Speaker 1: store line and seeing you know that My parents would
Speaker 1: call them, you know, the trash magazines. But it was
Speaker 1: like all the you know, werewolf Man and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, are sitting there. Yeah, that's choir. And and
Speaker 1: I remember the kid saying, oh, an asteroid's going to
Speaker 1: hit Earth way back then. And the other day I
Speaker 1: saw something similar and I just laughed at myself, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, fear selves, fearselves. Like if
Speaker 1: every news Tony Robbins, I think said, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: if the newspaper says, hey, it's going to be a
Speaker 1: great bay and sunny, you know, nobody's gonna buy that newspaper.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you see something on there that's
Speaker 1: tragic or whatever, it picks your interests and then you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna pick it up and look at it.
Speaker 1: So I get it as far from a business standpoint,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to make money ultimately, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, people just have to just you know,
Speaker 1: let off the cruise control, to just do a little
Speaker 1: bit of thinking, you know, and you'll come around.
Speaker 4: Yep uh. The song that always comes to mind about
Speaker 4: that is Don Henley's Dirty Laundry talks about the bubble
Speaker 4: headed bleach Bond comes on at five. She can tell
Speaker 4: you about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye.
Speaker 4: It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry, and
Speaker 4: that's that's what sells. Controversy creates cash, as they say,
Speaker 4: and that's why the news, when you turn it on,
Speaker 4: it doesn't start with how uh there, you know, three
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty five days a year, maybe once or twice,
Speaker 4: it starts with a good news story. It's just that's
Speaker 4: what people buy into. And fear does sell.
Speaker 1: It does. We don't watch the news, but my inlaws do,
Speaker 1: and anytime they have it on, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's murder, murder, this guy's this guy died this and
Speaker 1: I was like, how why would you want to put
Speaker 1: that in your head all day long? You know, especially
Speaker 1: the first thing in the morning and then in your day,
Speaker 1: you know, they watched the nightly news, they're getting a
Speaker 1: double dose of it, sometimes three times, you know, if
Speaker 1: they're just staying home all day and they got the
Speaker 1: news on. It's just it's constant. It's constant. It's just
Speaker 1: not something that's going to serve you very well. It's
Speaker 1: not going to help you in your life at all.
Speaker 1: It's just going to keep you, you know, in a
Speaker 1: fear of state, in a state of fear. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's just not I don't know, we
Speaker 1: don't them buy into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. I think back in twenty sixteen, I
Speaker 4: was very much into the news, into politics, and I've
Speaker 4: been really off of that boat for four or five
Speaker 4: years now. But it's interesting to me when I go
Speaker 4: into social media and I see people who spend their
Speaker 4: entire day posting on social media about world affairs. And
Speaker 4: it's not until you're able to pull yourself out of
Speaker 4: the you know, out of that quagmire and look back
Speaker 4: into it to understand how divisive and how it really
Speaker 4: controls your mind. And for me, my life has been
Speaker 4: so much better since I gave up the news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was part of it. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: I was working on you know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you would call it. I guess just just trying to
Speaker 1: get better self motivation working on those things. Just follow it.
Speaker 1: I don't like most of these guys or anything, but
Speaker 1: I do think that they have a lot of knowledge
Speaker 1: to share, and you know, you just take the good
Speaker 1: and throw out the bad. So there are a lot
Speaker 1: of business leaders and people like that that say, you know,
Speaker 1: just throw your TV away and you'll be more successful.
Speaker 1: So to boil it down to the simplest form, So yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're if all you do every night is just
Speaker 1: sit in front of the TV and eat your chips
Speaker 1: and candy and drink your soda or beer or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're doing that every single day, every
Speaker 1: single night, you know, you're probably not going to be
Speaker 1: very successful. You're definitely not helping anybody come to Jesus,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. So yeah, everybody needs to break and
Speaker 1: everybody can watch a game and things like that every
Speaker 1: once in a while. But if that's what you do
Speaker 1: every day, is kind of turns into your religion so
Speaker 1: to speak.
Speaker 4: Man, that's such a great point, and that's something I
Speaker 4: had a long conversation with a gentleman who actually works
Speaker 4: as head of the minute the Masters of Divinity program
Speaker 4: at a fairly major college here in the United States,
Speaker 4: and I told him that it was frustrating to me
Speaker 4: that I go to every church within a ten or
Speaker 4: fifteen mile radius of my house, and the one thing
Speaker 4: that truly stands out to me is number one, I'm
Speaker 4: usually the youngest guy there and I'm fifty five. But
Speaker 4: the other thing is how worldly things have merged with
Speaker 4: the church. And again I'm not saying this is every church.
Speaker 4: This is a very small sample size of a rural
Speaker 4: part of the state of Delaware, but here the Methodist
Speaker 4: Church is very prevalent. A few years ago, the Methodist Church,
Speaker 4: for lack of better words, and this is probably the
Speaker 4: wrong thing, but they had a civil war, they truly did,
Speaker 4: and it's split in half. They one became the global
Speaker 4: Methodist Church and then the others, the more traditional. But
Speaker 4: I have seen so much of what is talked about
Speaker 4: and what is period it parroted in the media, has
Speaker 4: made its way into the church. You know, praying for
Speaker 4: individual entities like Ukraine and Israel instead of praying for everyone,
Speaker 4: or praying for peace and a lot of that, and
Speaker 4: I'm writing about it now and we have an episode
Speaker 4: coming up soon about how the Schofield Bible really changed
Speaker 4: America and how, you know, Zionism kind of slowly creeped
Speaker 4: into our society. But that's really We had a very
Speaker 4: interesting conversation as to the fact how the church has
Speaker 4: changed and where they used to let outside things creep
Speaker 4: into the church. It's very much a part of every
Speaker 4: Sunday's kind of gathering.
Speaker 1: It is, and it is sad that it has gone
Speaker 1: that way. And unfortunately, there are a lot of a
Speaker 1: big number of pastors have been in trouble for doing
Speaker 1: worldly things. And I think some people will look at
Speaker 1: that and see that, like we'll see these Christians, they
Speaker 1: think they're so good and they're doing all these wrong things.
Speaker 1: And what people forget is we're all human. We all
Speaker 1: have a sin nature. No one's going to do everything
Speaker 1: the right way. So you know, take your judgment away
Speaker 1: from those people. Just because they're doing that, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: all Christians are bad, you know. But it is sad
Speaker 1: that in the church it feels more like a concert.
Speaker 1: It feels a lot like when you show up, it's
Speaker 1: you know, you get the announcements, you get you know,
Speaker 1: the jokes, then here comes uh, you know, the the singing,
Speaker 1: the worshiping, and then you get your three point preach,
Speaker 1: your sermon, and then you get to get out the
Speaker 1: door because the next next group's coming in to the
Speaker 1: next service. So do I I'd love going to church,
Speaker 1: you know, if you can find a good church that
Speaker 1: teaches the Bible. But I'd encourage you to do that.
Speaker 1: If they're not teaching from the Bible, it's probably not
Speaker 1: where you should be. But we are meant to search
Speaker 1: God's word and look at God's word and let God's
Speaker 1: word speak to us. So a lot of that is
Speaker 1: done on your own throughout the week. And I so
Speaker 1: it's my personal opinion that church is a place to
Speaker 1: to gather and to meet people and to be passed,
Speaker 1: so to speak, quote unquote. But if if that's the
Speaker 1: only day you eat, you know, let's just use it
Speaker 1: as a you know, if you if you're only eating
Speaker 1: on Sunday, you're going to start the rest of the week,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. George. Also, if you need, if
Speaker 1: you need to read your Bible and get in and
Speaker 1: you know, pray and talk to God throughout the week.
Speaker 1: Sundays can't be your only only day you're doing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the perfect analogy. And that's something I I
Speaker 4: when I have a conversation with people like the gentleman
Speaker 4: I did yesterday, that's something I bring up. We're really
Speaker 4: putting our children in bad situations if you're only talking
Speaker 4: about Christ one hour a week and then you're you're
Speaker 4: sending them off to a public institution for thirty five
Speaker 4: hours a week. It's a losing fight. So again, I
Speaker 4: agree with you one hundred percent. It is a place
Speaker 4: we should, uh. You know. I hope and pray everyone
Speaker 4: is able to find a house of worship that does
Speaker 4: teach the word of God. But it is your responsibility
Speaker 4: those other six days, uh, to stay in God's word
Speaker 4: and to represent Christ. And like you said, we're all human.
Speaker 4: We're all going to make mistakes, but we can't, you know,
Speaker 4: claim we follow Christ and continue to not change our ways.
Speaker 4: That is something that that I talk about with friends.
Speaker 4: I have nice debates about, is when people repent but
Speaker 4: they don't change their ways. Are you Are you truly repenting?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, that's that's a big part of it. Right,
Speaker 1: So are you really really sorry for you know what
Speaker 1: you've done. Yeah, that's the kid keeps stealing the cookies.
Speaker 4: Sorry every time, used to steal the cookies. Really sorry, Right,
Speaker 4: he's so, but he doesn't get punished by saying he's
Speaker 4: sorry and giving that sad phase.
Speaker 1: Right right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, sorry, go ahead, No, no, you go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about I've never done
Speaker 1: any of the calculations for the curvature, so to speak,
Speaker 1: but I I have used my own optics and my
Speaker 1: own camera and we went skiing out that in Montana
Speaker 1: and we were at the Big Sky resort there and
Speaker 1: they were selling t shirts. I could see your tee
Speaker 1: tons as what it would say on there, and I
Speaker 1: so I asked somebody, what what what is that? And
Speaker 1: well the Grand Tetons, you know Yellowstone? Okay, yeah, so
Speaker 1: well those are not in Montana. But if you go
Speaker 1: to the peak Big Sky, you can see the peaks
Speaker 1: of the Tetons. And that's one hundred and fifty six
Speaker 1: miles away. If anyone does the quick search, real quick
Speaker 1: and say how park in the naked I see your
Speaker 1: little AI will tell you. You know, I think it's like
Speaker 1: three to five miles, and then I'll say something about
Speaker 1: at least mind it s it's something about to do
Speaker 1: to the curvature of the earth. And it does also say,
Speaker 1: you know, if you get up to a higher perspective,
Speaker 1: you can be a little farther, but it doesn't ever
Speaker 1: give you any kind of distances. But according to what
Speaker 1: I understand the curvature of the earth to be, to
Speaker 1: their calculation, there is no chance you would ever be
Speaker 1: able to see the tetons from the big Sky resort.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting. I'm looking at the map now. It's
Speaker 4: basically due south, a little southeast hred and what one
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five hundred and forty miles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, resort to the center of the thing. I think
Speaker 1: it says one fifty six, but either way you want
Speaker 1: to use one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I haven't heard that. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So so anyone that does a little bit like
Speaker 1: have we started to the conversations, just a little bit
Speaker 1: of critical thinking. You you can see you know the lie,
Speaker 1: You can you can see where we live. We're not
Speaker 1: I always ask guys ask My daughter is like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you do you feel like you're spinning. Have you
Speaker 1: ever ridden a ride at a carnival, You know what
Speaker 1: those rides feel like when you're spinning. So imagine spinning
Speaker 1: in a thousand miles of per hour, no matter how
Speaker 1: big the surface was. You would feel that same.
Speaker 4: With a plane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you can you know, you can go
Speaker 1: to the beach and take a picture and.
Speaker 5: See I mean, I don't know how many miles you
Speaker 5: could see on the beach, but though, I mean the
Speaker 5: line is completely straight, and you can zoom into those
Speaker 5: ships on the shore and bring them back into zoom.
Speaker 1: Because the human eye is you know, limited, you are
Speaker 1: limited to how part you can see. But you can
Speaker 1: zoom in on those ships and bring them back into view.
Speaker 1: So that is true.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. And if you go look at if you're in
Speaker 4: an old building that has very long hallways, it's the
Speaker 4: same way. It gets smaller and smaller the farther you
Speaker 4: look right. And it's no different with that. By the way,
Speaker 4: with your P one thousand, have you ever had the
Speaker 4: chance to look at a star with it.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's very hard to focus on them because you've
Speaker 1: moved just a and you lose it. But yeah, looking
Speaker 1: looking at a star they're not all the same, but
Speaker 1: they're so cool because they look they're obviously moving. They
Speaker 1: look like they're in water, like if you were looking
Speaker 1: at something in waters, you know, you can tell that
Speaker 1: they are light. Uh, it's it's really fascinating. There's some
Speaker 1: good YouTube videos of those. I think you can find
Speaker 1: people recording what stars actually look like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like they're in water, like they're shimmering, yes,
Speaker 4: which the Bible tells us fairly clearly the.
Speaker 1: Way. Yeah. Yeah, and then in the I mean it
Speaker 1: tells you right there the firmament in the Bible, when
Speaker 1: you know, first a couple of chapters.
Speaker 4: Have you had the Have you had any kind of
Speaker 4: successful conversations about this with friends or family?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was gonna talk about that. It's it is
Speaker 1: tricky to try to win family. I at first, when
Speaker 1: I when I was really deep into finding this out,
Speaker 1: I uh, you know, I didn't have anyone to talk
Speaker 1: to you about it, so, uh my wife really didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear it. So I got really frustrated. I
Speaker 1: actually prayed. I was like, you know, God, what, why
Speaker 1: did you even show me this? Because I I don't
Speaker 1: have anyone to talk to, No one believed me, you know,
Speaker 1: so I it kind of calmed me down. I not,
Speaker 1: it's not everyone is ready for this information. I still
Speaker 1: really don't understand why. I know, I haven't figured that
Speaker 1: out completely. But what I did figure out is you
Speaker 1: can't just blast somebody with all this information. I think
Speaker 1: asking questions goes a whole lot further. You know, it's like, hey, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, well did you see the moon last night?
Speaker 1: You see the moon this morning? You know, why does
Speaker 1: it look like that? You know, just just little bitty things.
Speaker 1: Anytime anyone ever brings up the word gravity, I kind
Speaker 1: of laugh and uh. And you do know that's a theory, right,
Speaker 1: and I love telling people that will but that's just
Speaker 1: a theory because it's it's not it's not a proof.
Speaker 1: But I have I have one over I guess if
Speaker 1: you want to say that. One friend and he he
Speaker 1: also I think has that question mentality. He they lived out,
Speaker 1: they lived in the city for years, they moved away
Speaker 1: and out to the country. They they've started to bees.
Speaker 1: They're doing their own you know, they're they're not quite
Speaker 1: homesteading like you are, George, but I think that they're
Speaker 1: headed that direction. So it's probably an easy convert if
Speaker 1: you want to say so, I don't know lack of
Speaker 1: a better term there, but that I just showed it
Speaker 1: to him. He started investigating it, and then he actually
Speaker 1: started to listening to your show as well. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was kind of kind of cool. But but I
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really try to convert people. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's my path, but I I
Speaker 1: have no problem sharing it. And actually the best thing
Speaker 1: I know that can start a lot of arguments, And
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of your guests say that, you
Speaker 1: know they've gotten into arguments. One thing to go back
Speaker 1: to what I said earlier, is the Bible actually disproves
Speaker 1: their model. One line you could use is I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's flat. I'm not saying it's round, but I
Speaker 1: am saying what the Bible tells me and what they're
Speaker 1: telling me don't line up. So you do do your
Speaker 1: own research right exactly.
Speaker 4: And that's something I say every episode. You know, take
Speaker 4: what I say and research it for yourself. Everybody has
Speaker 4: to come to their own resolution. And you're one hundred
Speaker 4: percent right. This isn't the kind of conversation where you
Speaker 4: can just sit down with somebody at lunch and lay
Speaker 4: it on them for an hour. They have to be
Speaker 4: willing to be receptive. I've seen David Weiss be invited
Speaker 4: onto podcast. You know, here's someone actually asking, you know, hey,
Speaker 4: please come on my show so we can have this conversation,
Speaker 4: and within ten minutes they're losing their mind and insulting him.
Speaker 4: It's amazing to me how this one subject. How we
Speaker 4: can you can have a normal conversation with a family
Speaker 4: member about the moon landing without causing any uprising whatsoever, right,
Speaker 4: But if you bring up flat earth, the tone or
Speaker 4: the conversation completely changes and the way people think about
Speaker 4: you completely changes, which is mind blowing to me. But
Speaker 4: you know, I understand we were all on the other
Speaker 4: side of the fence as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah we were. And maybe maybe just using the you know,
Speaker 1: calling yourself with flat earth, or maybe that's the wrong
Speaker 1: approach as well, just you know, just saying well, just
Speaker 1: I'm just questioning where we are, you know where. I mean,
Speaker 1: if at any time people think that people don't think
Speaker 1: that we were lied to about other things. I mean
Speaker 1: I feel like now is that time because of the vaccine.
Speaker 1: And I don't like to say COVID. I always say corona,
Speaker 1: just because that's how it came out, and then they
Speaker 1: converted it to COVID. Uh, just my way of making
Speaker 1: fun of it. And it's just if you're going to
Speaker 1: question something, you know, there's so much information about I mean,
Speaker 1: so much information about the vaccines, and you can look
Speaker 1: up the patents and when they were actually made, how
Speaker 1: many years in advance. There's you know, Fauci he did
Speaker 1: papers on not wearing masks when he was going to school.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so much data on the subject.
Speaker 1: And see how you relied to It's like, well, why
Speaker 1: if you were going to question something, now is the
Speaker 1: time to question something? So maybe maybe don't. Maybe just
Speaker 1: don't lead with the hey, i'm a flat earther. Especially
Speaker 1: if you're not getting a good response from that, it's
Speaker 1: probably time to change it up. Just hey, let's let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's look at this together. What do you think about this?
Speaker 1: You know, ask questions instead of just trying to inundate
Speaker 1: someone with your knowledge. Let's learn together, Let's look at
Speaker 1: this together, let's investigate this together. You know, I think
Speaker 1: maybe that's a different approach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, And for someone who may not be
Speaker 4: a Christian. I would say start with things like what
Speaker 4: we you had just mentioned, the Grand Tetons and big
Speaker 4: top and eight inches per square mild and the sun
Speaker 4: and how you know it's light is cooler. And then eventually,
Speaker 4: and I can tell you from all the emails I've gotten,
Speaker 4: does bring people back to God. But for someone who
Speaker 4: is atheist or agnostic to to, you know, come in
Speaker 4: with Psalms nineteen one, et cetera, they're just going to
Speaker 4: completely tune you out. However, if you can get their
Speaker 4: attention with you know, scientific proofs for lack of a
Speaker 4: better word, right, using their math, and all the people
Speaker 4: who are involved in it who are frauds. Even you
Speaker 4: had mentioned gravity, right, you know who came up with that,
Speaker 4: Sir Isaac Newton, right, and he was what he was
Speaker 4: a freemason, right, there's a big write up on him.
Speaker 4: And then you know our brother, the famous scientist and inventor,
Speaker 4: the student of the Enlightenment. And like I said, these
Speaker 4: things are they use inversion and perversion to to steer
Speaker 4: people clear of God.
Speaker 1: They do one hundred percent. And if you think you
Speaker 1: are floating around and you're insignificant, you're not going to
Speaker 1: look around and see how perfect creation is. You're not
Speaker 1: going to focus on God and you're not going to
Speaker 1: talk to anyone else about God and try to get
Speaker 1: them to to you know, have a relationship with Jesus.
Speaker 1: I mean that that would be the last thing on
Speaker 1: your mind. So if yeah, they can fool you into
Speaker 1: thinking you're, you know, just floating through space, then you
Speaker 1: know your life probably will be insignificant. But I don't
Speaker 1: believe that that is what God intended for you. Whoever
Speaker 1: listening to this, and I do, I do think that
Speaker 1: you are significant and Yead wants to know you and
Speaker 1: and have a relationship with you. So I don't know
Speaker 1: who that was for, but it was for someone, you know.
Speaker 1: Just start questioning, Just start looking around and look at
Speaker 1: the leaves on the trees and how they change. I
Speaker 1: tell you what, George, if you ever studied bees, if
Speaker 1: you if you learned how bees operate, I've learned a
Speaker 1: lot from my friend. It is fascinating. And two to
Speaker 1: look at how they survive and their hives and they
Speaker 1: all have the job and they how they create the
Speaker 1: money and from starting to finish. If you just studied
Speaker 1: one little thing like that, you would think, man, there
Speaker 1: has to be a god and intelligent desire for this
Speaker 1: whole place.
Speaker 4: That's such a great point. And that's just one example
Speaker 4: of many of God's creation that has such a unique
Speaker 4: look at you know, a caterpillar becomes a butterfly, right,
Speaker 4: and all of these particular things. And I'm so glad
Speaker 4: you brought up the bees because that is something that
Speaker 4: my wife and I have been studying, and she's much
Speaker 4: more smart on it than I understand that some of
Speaker 4: the reason that you may have an un successful garden
Speaker 4: in a particular years because of pollination, you may not
Speaker 4: be getting that cross pollination that you need. Bees are
Speaker 4: such an important part of everything that goes on. But
Speaker 4: there was stories going around a few weeks ago about
Speaker 4: one of the bigger bee providers in the country, man Lake,
Speaker 4: And now they're pushing vaccines on the bees. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure if you've seen that or not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me at all, though, yeah, I did
Speaker 1: not see that, but yeah, okay, so uh whether you
Speaker 1: I don't want to get in the politics so much,
Speaker 1: but even even the President Trump said in his speech
Speaker 1: the other night to Congress, you said lotts of them
Speaker 1: used to be one in ten thousand and now it's
Speaker 1: one in thirty six kids. Yep. So if anyone wants
Speaker 1: to just do a little bit of research on vaccines
Speaker 1: and when they were when they started, what the schedule
Speaker 1: is now, how many shouts they get compared to how
Speaker 1: many shots they they used to get, and then try
Speaker 1: to convince yourself that they don't have anything to do
Speaker 1: with autism and all the other problems that we have.
Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting? That's kind of what I consider disclosure, right,
Speaker 4: because you know this Trump, you know, the who was
Speaker 4: the godfather of warp Speed, right, the operation warp Speed,
Speaker 4: And even when he was going around before, you know,
Speaker 4: having his big speeches and everything, he would still hype
Speaker 4: his vaccine and even his most prominent backers would do him.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: It was very tone deaf when it came to that,
Speaker 4: But I didn't catch that. I'm glad that you brought
Speaker 4: that up, because that is something that's one of the
Speaker 4: more hot topics on the Fact Owner podcast. As a
Speaker 4: matter of fact, we mentioned I had a guy come
Speaker 4: on last Thursday who first hand chlorine dioxide saved his
Speaker 4: life and he had seen other people firsthand, and famous
Speaker 4: actresses and people and not just that natural medicine. If
Speaker 4: you try to practice natural medicine in this country, you'll
Speaker 4: have your license taken away. In many cases, people who
Speaker 4: want alternative medicine for cancer, they have to go to
Speaker 4: Mexico or Canada or Sweden or some you know, Central
Speaker 4: America to get it done, just because if you don't
Speaker 4: follow lockstep with Rockefeller medicine, they're going to come after you.
Speaker 4: There's even been cases where parents have tried to use
Speaker 4: natural medicine on their children and cps have shown up
Speaker 4: and taken the children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's ridiculous, but but again goes back to that.
Speaker 1: We'll just ask ask why. Well, if you're not if
Speaker 1: you're not going through there there solves for all your problems,
Speaker 1: then you're not a patient. They're not making money off
Speaker 1: of you. So they want you to take this pill, uh,
Speaker 1: so they can make money. And then they want that
Speaker 1: pill gives you all of this side effects, So now
Speaker 1: you're a patient for life because now they're going to
Speaker 1: sell you the cure as well. So it's a it's
Speaker 1: just a ciple. And cancer is a massive, massive industry.
Speaker 1: So you know, I believe that God made us our
Speaker 1: bodies to heal our ourselves. I think that he gave
Speaker 1: us the the nutrients and the vitamins and everything that
Speaker 1: we need here on the on this planet. So those
Speaker 1: natural remedies and those those cures that you're talking about, George,
Speaker 1: I think that those were meant to be how we
Speaker 1: were supposed to heal ourselves. And yeah, why wouldn't they
Speaker 1: want to lock you down and take people's licenses away for,
Speaker 1: you know, practicing those things because they do not want
Speaker 1: you to have anything to do with your relationship with
Speaker 1: the Creator. They definitely don't want you to feel like
Speaker 1: he healed you. They want to be your hero and
Speaker 1: they want to you know, they want to be the savior,
Speaker 1: and they want to be the reason why you work.
Speaker 1: You can pay them.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. And you know, when you're sick, that's
Speaker 4: your body healing itself. That's the process shedding the old toxins.
Speaker 4: The same thing if you put bad gas in a car,
Speaker 4: the engine's going to knock. If you just constantly sugar
Speaker 4: and things that aren't good for you, well you're not
Speaker 4: going to operate well. And every now and then you
Speaker 4: need an oil change. Your car can't run well the
Speaker 4: oil is getting changed. Or while they changing the belts.
Speaker 4: It's up on a lift and it's the same. Your
Speaker 4: body's just resetting itself. And unfortunately, the first thing we
Speaker 4: do when we're sick is well, we have to go
Speaker 4: to the doctor. And and again, you know, I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that there are wonderful things within the medical community
Speaker 4: that help us. That's not what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm not denigrating the medical as a whole, but the
Speaker 4: pharmaceutical industry has more negative effects and is the reason
Speaker 4: why most of us get sick versus what it can
Speaker 4: do for us. And again, I'm just talking about the
Speaker 4: pharmaceutical industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would agree with you. And there are
Speaker 1: wonderful doctors and people that have a good heart and
Speaker 1: do want to help people, but they're also just think
Speaker 1: about the field that you're in, listener. You know, you
Speaker 1: potentially went and studied and got the degree, or or
Speaker 1: you went and got this job and they trained you.
Speaker 1: You know, doctors are similar. You know, most of them
Speaker 1: don't know anything about nutrition, but they learned certain techniques
Speaker 1: drugs to give you know, and they're just doing their
Speaker 1: job as they were taught to do. So it's not
Speaker 1: a lot of times. Unfortunately, it's it's not you know,
Speaker 1: the doctor's fault if you want to place fault somewhere.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there are a lot of good doctors and
Speaker 1: physicians who care about people and think that they're doing
Speaker 1: the right thing. But if if you want to, you know,
Speaker 1: that's why you've heard. Everyone's heard those stories where this
Speaker 1: guy had cancer and went through you know, fifteen different
Speaker 1: states of all these doctors and finally found somebody and
Speaker 1: he teared in and it was all natural remedies. I
Speaker 1: mean everyone's heard some kind of story like that. I
Speaker 1: mean there's something to that. So it's it's out there.
Speaker 1: It's just being curious and trying to find it. And
Speaker 1: you know, and I know I don't ever see people
Speaker 1: or put them down for what they're doing. But you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're smart enough you can make your own decisions
Speaker 1: and try to figure it out. There's there's enough information
Speaker 1: to you know, did you hear about the doctor since
Speaker 1: we're on that in Texas where he was going through
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court not the practice. He has this cure
Speaker 1: for cancer, and I think they just they continued to
Speaker 1: sue him and sue him, and he would they would
Speaker 1: only allow him to work for uh with stage four
Speaker 1: cancer patients, yep, and he's been able to help a
Speaker 1: lot of those patients. But that's that's how big of
Speaker 1: a deal cancer treatment is they. I mean, everyone would
Speaker 1: go see this guy if they could, but he's only
Speaker 1: allowed to practice his special you know, natural medicine healing
Speaker 1: and whatever you want to call it on stage four cancer,
Speaker 1: which anyone that's in stage four you know how limited
Speaker 1: time they have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was doctor Brazinski, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 4: there was a case. I can't remember exactly what it was,
Speaker 4: but a guy was in stage four and he was
Speaker 4: in the middle of a lawsuit. And the guy who
Speaker 4: was only given a few months, I think he've reached
Speaker 4: out to like a state representative because the court system
Speaker 4: was keeping doctor Brazinski from seeing patients at the time,
Speaker 4: so he called a state rep. The state rep actually
Speaker 4: did his job and got the case load taken care
Speaker 4: of and this guy was able to see doctor Brazinski
Speaker 4: and he's still alive today.
Speaker 1: Yeh, that's crazy and really crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was all kinds of people who have were healed,
Speaker 4: you know, thanks to doctor Brazinsk in his methods, and
Speaker 4: these people obviously the media is only going to put
Speaker 4: what they want out on a platform. But there's you know,
Speaker 4: these people have gone on public platforms and said this
Speaker 4: guy saved my life. But again, maybe one people out
Speaker 4: of one hundred has ever heard of his name.
Speaker 1: Right, it was the shame yep, right, But it's out there.
Speaker 1: That's out there. I'm just curious, look for it. Find it.
Speaker 1: One other thing I wanted to talk to you about, George.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of things. Well, hom's time they had,
Speaker 1: but satellites that's come up a couple of times on
Speaker 1: your podcast. Yeah, and uh, you know, if you search
Speaker 1: for NASA Satellite Balloon nineteen fifty, you could see exactly
Speaker 1: how sdellite's work. And that's this is why they're the
Speaker 1: biggest consumer of helium. You could see pictures of Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there. It is a big satellite, but it's attached
Speaker 1: to the helium balloon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Project Echo.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
Speaker 4: And and the pictures you can see you can see
Speaker 4: it it's a fully inflated satelloon. Yeah, I guess that's
Speaker 4: wha come balloon. Satellites and they're just everything, whether it's
Speaker 4: ham radio or satellites or in the Army. We call
Speaker 4: them retrans. That's all it is. It's retransmitting. That's what
Speaker 4: retrans means. It's hitting whatever and that pushes the signal
Speaker 4: back or further right. So here in the Ham radio world,
Speaker 4: I can hit a repeater in Woodside, Delaware, which is
Speaker 4: eight miles from where I sit, and then that repeater
Speaker 4: throws the signal further so I can speak with someone
Speaker 4: in Milford who was fourteen miles away. And that's all
Speaker 4: that Satellites are. They're just bigger, right, whoever's broadcasting hits
Speaker 4: the satellite or saddle moon, which it is. It's a balloon,
Speaker 4: and that, because of its height, is able to send
Speaker 4: the signal to greater distances. So whether it's you know,
Speaker 4: in two fifty four in the Army on a hill
Speaker 4: in Iraq retransmitting, or you know, a simple two meter
Speaker 4: or seventy meter antenna with a HAM radio, or a
Speaker 4: satellite attached to a balloon with NASA. And again I'll
Speaker 4: put the link to the project Project Echo in the
Speaker 4: show notes. And obviously with satellites, yeah, yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: little more complicated because of the different types of signals.
Speaker 4: In some cases it's audio. In some cases it's video
Speaker 4: and in some cases it's Internet like with Elon Musks
Speaker 4: whatever that thing is called. But that's what it is.
Speaker 4: It's communications signals that are being transmitted from one location
Speaker 4: to the other, and it's just being bounced off the satellite, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I'm not I'm not really sure how
Speaker 1: you know the starlink works. But they were doing a
Speaker 1: big show across the America. I think that was last
Speaker 1: year where oh yeah, this this time that's going. You
Speaker 1: can see it and you see a big string of
Speaker 1: lights and you know, I don't know what the string
Speaker 1: of lights were, but maybe it's drones, maybe it's something.
Speaker 1: What I do know is they're not billions of satellites
Speaker 1: floating around Earth's atmosphere. I know that's one hundred percent
Speaker 1: not true because it's I would I would be curious
Speaker 1: of what percentage of your listeners know about the underwater
Speaker 1: communication cables network. That's really how data is transferred.
Speaker 4: I found that out when I was just I'm sorry, go ahead, no,
Speaker 4: go ahead. I was just going to say I I
Speaker 4: learned about those when we were in Iraq. If you
Speaker 4: remember in two thousand and five or two thousand and six,
Speaker 4: one of the cables was cut in the ocean and
Speaker 4: a submarine, right, Yeah, and we didn't have communications for
Speaker 4: like a week to ten days to our families and
Speaker 4: stuff back in the country because of that, because that
Speaker 4: was cut. And those actual hard wires, whether you know
Speaker 4: wired or local antennas, provide like ninety nine percent of
Speaker 4: our communications. Those satur loons only account for maybe one percent.
Speaker 1: Right And I and I would I would venture if
Speaker 1: I had to guess, and this is a thousand percent.
Speaker 1: I guess a lot of that is probably for like
Speaker 1: in military or some you know, government communication or something
Speaker 1: I think you know. Locally, it's obviously you know the
Speaker 1: five G towers and things like that, but how the
Speaker 1: world connects to each other. Just search for that, Like
Speaker 1: I'm saying, there's just so much information out there that
Speaker 1: you can search a find and be like, okay, So
Speaker 1: if we're you know, we have all these satellites out there,
Speaker 1: then why are there millions of miles of cables connecting
Speaker 1: these continents with fiber cables? And it tells you right
Speaker 1: there when you search for you it's like ninety five
Speaker 1: or to ninety eight percent of the world's communication and
Speaker 1: done on this fiber network that's just laying on the
Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean floor. You know.
Speaker 4: It's interesting. Now, obviously we've mentioned on the show before
Speaker 4: that NASA is the largest consumer of helium. But when
Speaker 4: you look on their web page, they'll tell you that
Speaker 4: the helium is used for everything, but they don't mention
Speaker 4: anything about the stalloons. It's used for cooling liquid hydrogen
Speaker 4: and oxygen, which is used as rocket fuel. It's also,
Speaker 4: by the way, used for medical imaging. Like really how
Speaker 4: much it is used for that semiconductor, fiber optics, cryogenics,
Speaker 4: which is silly. You know, we know that everything they
Speaker 4: sent up in the air, even in Antarctica. I have
Speaker 4: seen that, you know that used in Antarctica, or maybe
Speaker 4: it was southern Chile. It's interesting that they mentioned everything
Speaker 4: but the sataloons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Antarctica is is an interesting one. Well to
Speaker 1: wrap up the helium, I mean, yeah, right, how much?
Speaker 1: How many? How many medical examinations are they doing with? Right,
Speaker 1: So it's just just a question, this question what you're
Speaker 1: reading people. But yeah, but Antarctica I think probably trips
Speaker 1: up a lot of people because everyone has been told
Speaker 1: since they were little, you know, North poles, right, and
Speaker 1: Antarctica the on the bottom and what would it look like. Well,
Speaker 1: if it's flat, you know, how is that even possible? Uh?
Speaker 1: Just the fact that it's it surrounds the firmament and
Speaker 1: that's the tallest level of laying on you know, our earth.
Speaker 1: So just just understanding how it works, I think, I
Speaker 1: think that's probably one of the reasons people can't wrap
Speaker 1: their heads around. You know, we're not on the spinning ball.
Speaker 1: But there is one thing to look at with Antarctica
Speaker 1: that stands out to me is the treaty with all
Speaker 1: these nations that hate each other, but they can get
Speaker 1: along about Antarctica. So that would make you have the
Speaker 1: question why why is that?
Speaker 4: That's a great point, right, you know, the United States
Speaker 4: and the Soviet Union Russia, I should say, have been
Speaker 4: each other, have been at each other's throats since the
Speaker 4: very end of World War Two, which to this day.
Speaker 4: You know, you know, the United States and Russia teamed
Speaker 4: up and then immediately became you know, hated enemies in
Speaker 4: nineteen forty five, and then the stories of the Cold War.
Speaker 4: But except right Antarctica.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well down there will be along, but everywhere
Speaker 1: else we hate each other. Yeah, Yeah, you mentioned Ukraine.
Speaker 1: The circle back of the circle back on that, right.
Speaker 1: So the question I had about Ukraine was right before
Speaker 1: Biden gets elected, his sons in trou Bullet Ukraine and
Speaker 1: the laptop and all that, right, yp then he gets
Speaker 1: elected and then there's a war in Ukraine and we're
Speaker 1: sending them all this money that they were probably sending
Speaker 1: them beforehand, and now we can just tell everybody about it,
Speaker 1: you know. I just I just felt like, and now
Speaker 1: we're still supporting him. I just felt like part of
Speaker 1: that was cover up. I'm not saying that they're not
Speaker 1: fighting over there, there's not something going on, but I
Speaker 1: can't rep my head around why all this money's going there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of different theories. What the average
Speaker 4: person doesn't know. If you ask them when did the
Speaker 4: when when did all this really start, they'll tell you
Speaker 4: February of twenty twenty two, ninety percent of the population
Speaker 4: has no idea about the you know, Euromaiden Revolution, in
Speaker 4: which the CIA was behind and which anytime there's some
Speaker 4: type of political upteam upheaval around the world were usually
Speaker 4: behind it. But Victoria Nuland, who was interestingly enough, Robert
Speaker 4: Kagan's wife. And if you don't know who Robert Kagan is,
Speaker 4: just take five minutes in research Robert Kagan Project for
Speaker 4: a New American Century and enjoy that rabbit hole. But
Speaker 4: she was down there, you know, overseeing the Orange Revolution.
Speaker 4: You can go on YouTube and find an audio of
Speaker 4: the phone call that she had. They were discussing who
Speaker 4: the next prime minister was going to be. So, you know,
Speaker 4: the Euromaiden Revolution, the Orange Revolution, whatever you want to
Speaker 4: call it, really took place in twenty fourteen. And then
Speaker 4: you know, Ukraine was bombing its own oblasts, the four
Speaker 4: of them that are now in Russian control for the
Speaker 4: most part, and they'd killed twelve or thirteen thousand of
Speaker 4: their own people. And these are the same people who
Speaker 4: voted in twenty fourteen, after the big political upheaval, to
Speaker 4: go back and be a part of Russia. It was
Speaker 4: very similar to what we saw in eighteen sixty five
Speaker 4: here in the United States. There were say, four states
Speaker 4: for lack of a better word, who wanted to side
Speaker 4: with Russia. Ukraine didn't let them, so they bombed them.
Speaker 4: And then eventually Russia said, you're not going to harm
Speaker 4: these people anymore, and they came in and unfortunately three
Speaker 4: years later now you have almost a million people dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the shame.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then with Barisma, that's what you were talking about.
Speaker 4: You know, if you google, and please use Google, what
Speaker 4: was the what's the word? I'm looking for a country
Speaker 4: that is just oh, what is the most corrupt country
Speaker 4: in Europe? And it was Ukraine every time? No really, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 4: that's where people go to longer their money.
Speaker 1: And that who we're making deals. So yeah, let's just
Speaker 1: let's start as of question. Is about that stuff?
Speaker 4: Right, yep, one hundred percent. Now now if you if
Speaker 4: you'll google that now, Russia is number one?
Speaker 1: Russia? Yeah, mind yeah, yeah, So has anyone ever explained
Speaker 1: so like if you're you know, your proofs for flat
Speaker 1: earth of Joshua in the Bible Joshua ten twelve, where
Speaker 1: it talks.
Speaker 4: About the sun and the moon standing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, how was that one? How was that one explained?
Speaker 4: That's a big one for me. That's that's one of
Speaker 4: my top five Bible versus. Joshua is actually ten thirteen,
Speaker 4: which you know, recounts how the sun and the moon
Speaker 4: stood still, allowing the Israelites to complete their victory over
Speaker 4: their enemies as recorded in the Book of Jeshure. And
Speaker 4: that's something that always found interesting that it notes Eric's sites.
Speaker 1: One of the.
Speaker 4: One of the fourteen books that are not included in
Speaker 4: the Bible anymore. But that is a big one. Why
Speaker 4: didn't it say the moon stood or the earth stood
Speaker 4: still instead of the moon and the sun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that for anyone that bleeds in the Bible,
Speaker 1: would I would use that, you know, at least start
Speaker 1: there because you can argue over because I know it
Speaker 1: uses circle and ball, but those are two different words
Speaker 1: that it uses throughout the Bible. But that verse specifically,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no denying what it's actually saying.
Speaker 4: And to me, Brian, it's not a coincidence that they
Speaker 4: use the word ball because that is their god. But
Speaker 4: it's b a apostrophe a l right, yeah.
Speaker 1: And their god that's has changed names over the you know,
Speaker 1: you go back to the Tower of Babel and and
Speaker 1: got divided all the you know, the different languages and
Speaker 1: the different ethnicities, but they all still worshiped the same god.
Speaker 1: So they just had different names for their God. Says
Speaker 1: they were spread and I think it's a couple of
Speaker 1: episodes ago you were talking with someone who you guys
Speaker 1: were talking about the Tower of Babbel I believe.
Speaker 4: Recently, Yeah, just a few episodes ago. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's no there's no question you know who
Speaker 1: the who the ruler of this you know, current earth
Speaker 1: who you know it's given to to the level. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but it was. And uh that's then
Speaker 1: that susan control here of the things that are going on,
Speaker 1: you know, in the day to day, but ultimately it's
Speaker 1: it's God world. He created and he's going to take
Speaker 1: over one day. And some of these things are happening
Speaker 1: just because there's they have to do for him to
Speaker 1: fulfill his plan. That's why it says pray for your leaders,
Speaker 1: even though it might be hard to do. You know,
Speaker 1: has God placed these leaders in place for his plan.
Speaker 1: It's just hard to see because we don't know what
Speaker 1: the plan is. But yeah, so the warp speed and
Speaker 1: all of that happens is probably because it's that's what's
Speaker 1: supposed to happen. But on the smaller scale is I
Speaker 1: think it's our duty to talk about Jesus and and
Speaker 1: help win souls, to have relationships with Jesus and try
Speaker 1: to save as many people as possible, because again, this
Speaker 1: isn't our final destination here, but it is important to
Speaker 1: know where we are and who created it. And so
Speaker 1: I am passionate about it, but I haven't haven't found
Speaker 1: my exact way to use it for converting people. But
Speaker 1: I do like, I do like talking about it. I
Speaker 1: just don't have a lot of people to talk about
Speaker 1: it with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the frustrating part. Long before I had
Speaker 4: this podcast, you know, I've been doing the fact Hunner
Speaker 4: for over five years now. And when I had David
Speaker 4: Weiss on early in the podcast, I was excited, right
Speaker 4: because when I got the email, I deleted it immediately.
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, you know, I'm all about searching
Speaker 4: for the truth, but this is ridiculous. Come on, man
Speaker 4: poking at me and eat me. And I went into
Speaker 4: the trash file and opened it up, and so you know,
Speaker 4: he linked one of his interviews and but I was
Speaker 4: excited to talk about it, and man, I published the
Speaker 4: podcast with David Weiss and the next day, wow, the
Speaker 4: emails I got where, Wow, you just ruined your reputation.
Speaker 4: What's wrong with you? I thought, you know, and it's like, man,
Speaker 4: I was excited to share this information, and then you
Speaker 4: learn as a whatever you want to call flat earther
Speaker 4: or someone who studies biblical cosmology, you understand really how
Speaker 4: deep that the sye op is and how it sets
Speaker 4: people off. And it's one of the few rabbit holes
Speaker 4: that if you try to talk about it can be
Speaker 4: very divisive. And again, it took me a long time
Speaker 4: to understand why that was. It's because that is how
Speaker 4: important the sye op is to the controllers. This is
Speaker 4: right up there in the top two or three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it bols me away, is the depending. I
Speaker 1: don't think I really never defended the heliocentric model because
Speaker 1: I never it was never proposed to me that it
Speaker 1: was different, you know, I just I honestly, I think
Speaker 1: I saw something on YouTube one day and I was like,
Speaker 1: I kind of laughed at it, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: like you did, Mike, can youer? You're like here right?
Speaker 1: But then if something piqued my interests and then I
Speaker 1: just started looking at it and curiosity got the best
Speaker 1: of me, and then and that was it was over
Speaker 1: from there. But I I don't understand why people defend
Speaker 1: something so strongly that they know nothing about, Like They
Speaker 1: can't tell you how fast it's spinning. They can't tell
Speaker 1: you how fast you know all the beliefs that back
Speaker 1: up you know, the quote unquote the model, are they
Speaker 1: anyone knows any any of those facts. It's like the
Speaker 1: only people that really know those facts are the ones
Speaker 1: that are delivering them, like the top of the top
Speaker 1: or us, the people that are in this community that
Speaker 1: actually know where we live. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more. And I can tell you first
Speaker 4: hand when I have this conversation with people and they're
Speaker 4: immediately reject the thought, that's what you ask them, is well,
Speaker 4: and some of them will get how fast are we
Speaker 4: spending about some of them will remember that from school.
Speaker 4: But anything else they have no idea. They can't tell
Speaker 4: you how far the sun or the moon is. You know,
Speaker 4: you try to explain the crepuscular rays and the fashion
Speaker 4: they come in and rivers flowing to the north, they
Speaker 4: just write it all off as that's just silly, and
Speaker 4: that's how they answer it. They can't really come back
Speaker 4: and explain it in any type of technical terms. They
Speaker 4: just And you should never, no matter what the subject is,
Speaker 4: you should never blindly defend something. And you know what's
Speaker 4: interesting to me, Ryan, is some people defend if you
Speaker 4: try to have a conversation about vaccines, that they'll defend
Speaker 4: it the same way they do heliocentrism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's They did a really good marketing campaign on
Speaker 1: that and inundated people with fear. And I think that
Speaker 1: that that fear set in and they still just believe, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're for the greater good and I'm gonna I'm not sick,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get mine just so I don't carry
Speaker 1: it on to the next person. And you know, they
Speaker 1: really and and then hey, if you see somebody, there
Speaker 1: was a story where you know, you remember how ridiculous
Speaker 1: it was. I was like, well, you can have ten
Speaker 1: people over, but y'all have to be outside and stand
Speaker 1: so far apart and all that crap, you know, And
Speaker 1: some some lady calls the cops and says, hey, you
Speaker 1: know they're they're getting together, you know, next door, and
Speaker 1: you're only you're only allowed to have ten and they've
Speaker 1: got eleven. You know, like, just how insane you just
Speaker 1: looked back and how crazy it was, and people just
Speaker 1: they just they just gobbled it up and then just
Speaker 1: took hold of it. So yeah, I think I don't
Speaker 1: know this this this model. People have the same hold
Speaker 1: on it, and I just can't. I can't explain why,
Speaker 1: except for, you know, the Devil's plan has worked. But
Speaker 1: but there are more and more of us. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's your show is speaks to the volumes of I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't have what you're approaching two hundred episodes, you
Speaker 1: can't have that many people that want to speak to
Speaker 1: you about it. And I don't know what kind of
Speaker 1: downloads and listeners you're you're getting, but it's got to
Speaker 1: be up there, I mean, and yours isn't the only one.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's there's a community. And honestly, I
Speaker 1: think right before Corona happened, when they shut everything down,
Speaker 1: there were so many documents that you could go even
Speaker 1: to like the Army's website and the NASA's website, and
Speaker 1: they had all these documents online where all of their
Speaker 1: manuals and everything said, hey, it's a they're basing it
Speaker 1: off of a flat, non movable plane. I mean, every
Speaker 1: single model, every flight plan, every every instrument they built,
Speaker 1: every you know, everything that they did had that language
Speaker 1: in their documents and now if you go and look
Speaker 1: up those same documents, because I screenshoted two screen shots
Speaker 1: and I had like probably twenty different articles from Army
Speaker 1: and NASSA and all these and the other day I
Speaker 1: actually clicked on them to go see and and they're
Speaker 1: not there anymore. So they did a really good job
Speaker 1: of scrubbing everything, because I think back in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: the flat Earth's movement, if you want to call it that,
Speaker 1: it was really taking hold. There were even some pastors
Speaker 1: talking about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and their pastors continue to talk about it. And
Speaker 4: the most curious one to me is I think it's
Speaker 4: Pastor ken Ham, who runs you know, talks about answers
Speaker 4: and genesis and young Earth, right, and he's all about,
Speaker 4: you know, the Earth is only sixty five hundred years old,
Speaker 4: don't believe the Smithsonian Institute and all this other stuff.
Speaker 4: But if you try to bring up flat Earth, they'll
Speaker 4: shut you down really quick, which is to me, I
Speaker 4: just don't get it. And I guess the same way
Speaker 4: I don't get how some people can like bart Sebrel,
Speaker 4: brilliant mind, and he had the courage to go speak
Speaker 4: to astronauts face to face and he captured the audio
Speaker 4: of the guy saying, I'm gonna call the CIA. Do
Speaker 4: you want me to have this? I take this guy out,
Speaker 4: and all this other stuff. But you know, he still
Speaker 4: believes in Helio centrism and Planet X where they're building
Speaker 4: a base and all this other stuff. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: where it comes from, but I think the heart of
Speaker 4: it is getting back into the Bible. And you know,
Speaker 4: if you just sit down and ring read the King
Speaker 4: James version of Genesis one one to two one, just
Speaker 4: that part alone, understanding that it was done in seven days.
Speaker 4: There's no big Bang, there's no evolution, there's no spinning ball,
Speaker 4: there's not this never ending you know galaxies. He's created
Speaker 4: this realm which is very large, but until we really
Speaker 4: get out of the ways of the world, we're not
Speaker 4: going to get everybody on board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's true. I think it. I have
Speaker 1: saw a lot about like how Bart could make that
Speaker 1: movie and not believe, like he didn't believe that the
Speaker 1: moon light ning was real, but could not go to
Speaker 1: the next step word or so. I can only think that, well,
Speaker 1: that's just one step to he's he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: just that's just one piece of information that is out
Speaker 1: there that God used him to put out there to show, hey,
Speaker 1: this isn't real. So maybe Barton never comes around. But
Speaker 1: the movie that he made is they're gonna open up
Speaker 1: a lot of eyes, just like you know, kin hand,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, you know, focuses on creation, but he
Speaker 1: has no clue, or maybe he does and just doesn't
Speaker 1: want to believe it. But so I it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're probably never gonna convert someone on. But George, you
Speaker 1: always talked about bread crumbs. So maybe that little bitty
Speaker 1: story or that one question that you ask someone will
Speaker 1: help them get to the next level, you know, the
Speaker 1: next that the next step to a relationship with Jesus
Speaker 1: is ultimate. That's the ultimate goal, you know. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they why they don't. That's the
Speaker 1: only way I justify it is they're just that's their part.
Speaker 4: I can tell you I've heard firsthand from pastors before
Speaker 4: that if they brought it up, or I've even heard
Speaker 4: from a pastor too, like what was the gentleman? I
Speaker 4: have his book. He's the one that had the debate
Speaker 4: with Greg.
Speaker 1: Locke, Greg din O.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dean Odle, he said firsthand. When he first brought
Speaker 4: it up. He knew going in that he was going
Speaker 4: to lose people. But he says, I can either preach
Speaker 4: the truth or I can hide the truth. And like
Speaker 4: everybody else, you know, like Josh from Founded Earth Brothers
Speaker 4: who walked away, Yeah he's going to He had a
Speaker 4: what a master's in in in science or something like that,
Speaker 4: and he would have a school teacher for a couple
Speaker 4: of decades and he walked away with it because he couldn't,
Speaker 4: in good conscience continue to teach, you know, the sole
Speaker 4: lower System to young students and have a completely different
Speaker 4: set of beliefs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would that would be hard. And that's that's
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit tugging at him saying, hey, this isn't
Speaker 1: this isn't right. And uh. And he listened to it.
Speaker 1: And I really have a lot of respect. I've never
Speaker 1: met Dean, but I have a lot of respect for him.
Speaker 1: And and and come to think of it, he may
Speaker 1: have I don't know, on his website or if you
Speaker 1: reach out to him, he could probably give you some
Speaker 1: of those documents that show that on rotating Earth, because
Speaker 1: I believe he said he downloaded them all at the
Speaker 1: time because he didn't think that they'd be up forever,
Speaker 1: so he was right about that. Yeah, in that debate,
Speaker 1: what a joke that was. What was the other guy's named,
Speaker 1: Greg Locke?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's buddy's with pastor Benny hen Now by the.
Speaker 1: Way, yeah, big stalker. So we'll be won't be long
Speaker 1: before he gets a five G airplane. Yeah, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with making money, but stealing people's ties,
Speaker 1: that's that's Uh's loving you and God, and I I
Speaker 1: feel I feel bad for you, you know. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know you'd like to meet Uh, that's sure.
Speaker 1: We'll have a couple of conversations with him about some
Speaker 1: of this stuff, but well they'll see.
Speaker 4: Got anything, No, I think And actually we we just
Speaker 4: hit the ninety minute mark and I think we covered
Speaker 4: everything that I had listed.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: If there's anything else that you did, and I'd be
Speaker 4: a great time to bring it up. If not, we can,
Speaker 4: I can leave you with the last word.
Speaker 1: Well, I do really appreciate you having me on, George.
Speaker 1: I found your show on Spotify. I was I was
Speaker 1: headed out to town. It was like a three hour
Speaker 1: drive and I just I wanted to listen to something.
Speaker 1: I just happened to do a search and popped right up.
Speaker 1: So I've listened to every single episode up till now.
Speaker 1: I actually wrote an email to you that never sent
Speaker 1: it a while back about getting on your show. So
Speaker 1: I feel blessed that that you allowed me to be
Speaker 1: on here, So hopefully somebody got something out of it.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, ultimately it comes down to just
Speaker 1: just ask some questions. I've said that several times today.
Speaker 1: You know, you can see too far. Nassistic fixtures of
Speaker 1: Earth have changed over the years, the size of the
Speaker 1: continence change all the time. Gravity is just a theory,
Speaker 1: it's not proof, and everything is based off of that,
Speaker 1: which completely throws it all out. You can't measure distances
Speaker 1: ninety three million miles away. How do you measure that?
Speaker 1: It's impossible, you know. I think all the stuff that
Speaker 1: we've talked about today, somebody could take any of those
Speaker 1: topics and just do a little search and you know,
Speaker 1: start finding out on your own where we actually live,
Speaker 1: who created it. And it all comes down to having
Speaker 1: a relationship with Jesus, And if you don't have one,
Speaker 1: maybe I hope that this is my little breadcrumb to
Speaker 1: leave to get you into the next step to have
Speaker 1: that relationship or start that relationship to him. But that's
Speaker 1: that's it, George. I keep doing what you're doing. I
Speaker 1: really like your show. You've had some phenomenal guests on here.
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot from so many of them, and yeah,
Speaker 1: just keep it.
Speaker 4: Up, appreciate it, and I thank you coming on. And
Speaker 4: I'm very blessed to be able to have this conversation
Speaker 4: every week with like minded people from around the world.
Speaker 4: Which is really crazy to think that you know, almost
Speaker 4: two hundred of these conversations. And by the way, while
Speaker 4: you were just wrapping up there, I went to Google
Speaker 4: to see if they sold a ninety three million mile
Speaker 4: ruler and I can't find it at low so I'm
Speaker 4: not really sure how they did it. Actually, the first
Speaker 4: response was fact check, the sun is ninety three million
Speaker 4: miles from her, doesn't, so right, Yeah, you got to Well,
Speaker 4: thank you, brother, I appreciate your time, and thank you
Speaker 4: for bringing a lot of again things to the table
Speaker 4: that we haven't heard before. So I'm sure this is
Speaker 4: going to be appreciated by a lot of people. And again,
Speaker 4: a big thank you to the audience for you guys,
Speaker 4: continue to support the program. God bless you all. Keep
Speaker 4: your head on a swivel, and until we meet again,
Speaker 4: my friends, we will see.
Speaker 6: I know it's been struggle. God, I know you've had spain.
Speaker 6: I know you feel tired, held down by all the way. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't you feel more?
Speaker 3: You smile, ain't the same.
Speaker 6: That's all we're going from you. I feel like you've
Speaker 6: lost your way.
Speaker 2: Don't give up, No, don't give it. It never is home.
Speaker 2: Don't let call the primise.
Speaker 7: It ain't done yet.
Speaker 4: He's got a plan. Why it's away?
Speaker 7: Time? Got up? Y come? Why away? Got up? Mmy called?
Speaker 6: I can see the straight beside you. Childs are putting
Speaker 6: up five. Oh you're stronger than anything.
Speaker 3: You are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're gonna be all right.
Speaker 4: You're accepting it.
Speaker 7: A dead found you.
Speaker 2: Beautiful.
Speaker 4: You're shoving ride.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you live and breathing, moveing. You can hold your
Speaker 6: head a pie.
Speaker 7: Don't give up, No, don't give in. Nevertheless home, don't
Speaker 7: they gone on the primise? It ain't done yet.
Speaker 2: This god lay wats away. Tell the God of Mericau,
Speaker 2: don't give up. No, don't give in.
Speaker 7: Now on his home. Don't let call on the promise.
Speaker 4: It ain't don like it's worth the man.
Speaker 7: What's a play down the God of ev Why surprise
Speaker 7: down the garden? Oh yes, what surprise down the god
Speaker 7: TV coll Oh yeah, the God of TV call.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't deve up, No, don't give in? Never do
Speaker 3: they go of the primise? I mean, and ye's got
Speaker 3: I'm saying, what's a kind of even colts?
Speaker 7: Don't God?
Speaker 6: No dog get a but never hold, don't get go
Speaker 6: of the primes getting done lovers?
Speaker 8: What living Watson? Goud of inner colums? All the God
Speaker 8: of needs white dog, god of any case.
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