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Speaker 1: And now Audio Theater Central.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central. This is the show

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that explores family friendly audio drama through news, reviews and interviews.

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I'm your host, JD. Sutter. This is episode two twenty seven.

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Well today we've got some feedback coming up from Abby

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and Grayson. I've got a bunch of audio drama updates

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to get to here shortly, and we've got a review

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of Jake muller Adventures Blood and I'll be joined by

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ATC contributor Michael Schrader for that. And now that i'm

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thinking about it, this was not planned when this was

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put on the calendar, but it's quite appropriate that we're

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talking about this audio drama right after Easter, and speaking

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of which, I hope you had a wonderful Easter. But

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before we get to that review, let's jump into the updates.

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Speaker 3: Water up this program to bring you a special report.

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Speaker 2: And their news tonight.

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Speaker 1: A brief look at the headlines.

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Speaker 4: Now they want exciting, fast piece news that's relevant and

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entertaining like this.

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Speaker 2: Just a quick reminder, if you have any updates about

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audio drama projects that you are involved in or that

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you have heard about, please let us know. Send your

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updates to us PFM dot link, slash atc news or

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click the button in the sidebar on our website. News

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is coming in very sparsely, so please please keep us

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informed about what's going on. If you are privy to

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some great information that we need to know about well.

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First up is just a little reminder about an upcoming event,

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the Voyage of Voices Cruise that is coming up October

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seventeenth through the twenty second of twenty twenty six. A

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whole bunch of great audio drama professionals are going to

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be there. Phil Lawler, Katie Lee, Chris, Anthony Lansdowne, Genesis Long,

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Donald Long, Kimmy Robertson, John Fornoff, Steve Burns. All of

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these folks have been involved and adventures in Odyssey, and

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others like Phil and Katie and John have been involved

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in multiple shows and Chris as well, so lots of

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great fun to be had there for fans of family

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friendly audio drama. Link is in the show notes to

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check out more information and to sign up for that cruise.

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And moving on to new releases, the Encounter Season five

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is here. After several years of a gap between season four,

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we now have some new episodes from The Encounter. Here

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is the summary. Twenty years have passed since the followers

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of Elyon crossed over the Third Peak and into the

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Great Beyond, ushering in peace and creativity. Inspired by Eleon's

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Pure Mist and Syrig's Isolation, a wider expanse of reclaimed territory,

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the Beyond is teeming with exploration, vitality, and contentment. At

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least for most. However, peace is fragile, and a breeze

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of discontent flames afresh. Threat some great new episodes out

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now from the Encounter. This is the show produced by

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Libert University. It is exclusively available on Dramafi. Link in

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the show notes to go ahead and grab that show.

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Another new release, Subscribe to The Shepherd from Heart Matters.

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This is the first release from them for twenty twenty six,

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and the summary is A Shepherd boy named Max wants

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to go viral. His new collaborator, the Big Bad Wolf

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in disguise, just wants a free meal. This comedic spin

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on The Boy Who Cried Wolf teaches the importance of

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being honest both online and offline, and the cast includes

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Bethany Baldwin, John Fornoff, Rose Beasley, and rig by Daynert.

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This was written by Glenn Haskell, with sound designed by

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Ezra Losa and music by Cole Brumley and cover art

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illustration by Noah Cecil. As with all of the Heart

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Matters audio dramas, Subscribe to the Shepherd is available free

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through the Heart Matters app. Link is in the show

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notes to get that app for your smartphone. Next up

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is a new episode of The Chester and Ralphie Show,

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this micro audio drama series from Eternal Future Productions. It's

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called Leverage Lament. In pursuit of his precious snacks, Ralphie

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learns a very valuable lesson in physics and accepting help

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from others. You can purchase a copy of this at

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the Eternal Feature Production's web store, which is linked in

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the show notes, or you can give it a listen

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on Dramafi and Window Seat. Next up is a really

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spy Ish. It is a spy comedy micro audio drama

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the show notes. And moving on to upcoming releases, Season

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two of Welcome to Hope Springs premieres May eighteenth. The

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summary for this season is A Thin Veil follows the

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spiritual and relational journeys of Jay Rooney, Brace Woodward, Dante, Zach,

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and Dakota as they encounter prayer, forgiveness, unexpected opportunities, and

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an ancient mystery that could impact the lives of everyone

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it touches. This is a serialized story, so you're going

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but you've got a little while. You've got about a month,

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so May eighteenth, is when season two launches. Season one

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the show notes, to the Hope Springs website and to

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is out now, And if you're an ATC backstage member,

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you can listen to ATC contributor Austin Peachee's first impression

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of the Welcome to Hope Springs season two trailer. It's

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available now. And lastly in upcoming releases is The Mask

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of the Red Death from marky Witz audio Works. This

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is inspired by the eighteen forty two Edgar Allen Poe

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thriller of the same name. They said that this is

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their eleventh full cast audio drama and the fifth in

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their post series. It will release on May sixteenth on

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both YouTube and Dramafi, with further distribution across Audible and

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other platforms coming after that. But right now they are

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so if you want to support them in this way,

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a portion of the proceeds from each pre order will

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and give a listen to the trailer for the Mask

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of the Red Death. Marky Wits Audio Works proudly presents.

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Speaker 4: The peasants and the outlying villagers are dying at a

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tremendous rate.

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Speaker 1: Please help us for the love of God.

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Speaker 3: Now ride through my dominions. Assemble from the living nobility

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a thousand, hale and lighthearted friends. We shall bring music

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and happiness, and joy and life to the abbey.

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Speaker 5: Hey, suspenseful full cast audio drama.

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Speaker 3: For tonight we live huldah hala he Hello. If this

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is another of your party games, Viceroy, I.

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Speaker 1: It is the calling cord of the Red Death.

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Speaker 3: I shall put an end to this, even if it

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kills me. You there, hot.

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Speaker 1: Pross the Mask of the Red Death.

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and featured in the cast as Our main characters are

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Brennan Vilados as Prospero, Jason Markiwitz as the Viceroy, and

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Red Death, so that is linked in the show notes

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as well. Go check that out and if it sounds

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that CD copy or hang on until May sixteen for

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the release and you can get your MP three copy

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at that point. All right, well, let's go ahead and

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bring in Michael Schrader and talk about Jake Muller Adventures.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of our little plan?

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Speaker 2: Your characters were weak, your dialogue was cliched, and you

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Speaker 3: Wonderful everyone, We have a delightful show.

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Speaker 4: It's the Michael, a true genius to use symbolism in

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Speaker 2: You may even get a standing ovation. Well, I am

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excited to talk about the second installment of the Jake

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Muller Adventures called Blood, which released in October of twenty

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for this review. Michael, thanks for coming on the show.

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Speaker 4: Jad always a pleasure to be in the studio with you,

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which I'm not, but it's still a pleasure to be

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recording with you.

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Speaker 2: We're in the same virtual room.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Now, I want to say upfront that if you're not

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familiar with the Jake Muller Adventures, you'll want to go

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first one. Technically they can stand alone, but you're going

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doing that first. Now, we're not going to go too

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deeply into spoiler territory, but there might be a few

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little minor things, but we want to share our thoughts

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mention a few plot points, but we're trying not to

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to see if it is appropriate for your children. Different

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be able to, so you know your kids but I

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would say generally this is for older teens and up.

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study guide, I guess, and I thought it was interesting

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it's been a while since you heard the first one,

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Adventures is about Jake Muller and his team. He runs

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a private security company and they get hired by high

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profile people like senators or whatever to be bodyguards or

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other popular shows in this industry. This is made specifically

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here for Blood. Why don't you share with the listeners

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what this is all about?

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Speaker 4: Yes, the summary for Blood. There's no such thing as vampires, right,

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That's what Jake's good friend Ariana thought. So why did

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somebody drop a body covered with bites at the hospital

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where she works? And why is she being followed by

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creepy dudes? Jake wants answers, and he's going to get them,

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no matter the cost. He's also going to learn that

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we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against

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the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over

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this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in

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the heavenly places. Will Jake Mueller take up a sword

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in this spiritual battle?

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Speaker 2: Will he?

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Speaker 1: I thought you said no spoilers. You have to listen

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Speaker 2: JD Yes, Yes, that is the correct answer. So this

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Micah Toouchet. Sound design was also done by Micah Toouchet

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executive producer David Fair who made this show possible, and

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where these shows have been recorded and there are more

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Speaker 4: M Yeah, I've been really impressed with Mica Toochet's sound

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design and production quality. I think that they're very well produced.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: When I got into this one, I jumped into listening

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to Blood and I had not heard Unidentified since I

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think I got a copy of the CD at the

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first Sonic Con. Do you remember what You're Unidentified was

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released twenty nineteen? Okay, yeah, so I probably listened to it,

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you know, five years ago, and I and I remember

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like little bits and pieces. But I'll echo what you

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said about people listening to that first, because I there

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was definitely like and it did stand alone like I,

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you know, knew what was going on, but there were

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definitely parts that when I went back and listened to Unidentified,

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I was like, Oh, that's right, that's what that was

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fucking that's what happened there. And there was definitely like

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little references where I can't believe how much I forgot

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out of it, to be honest with you, but I

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was like, wait, what that happened?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, but it did stand alone by when I

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introduced my wife to it, we listened to Unidentified first

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and then and then went into Blood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a ton of different callbacks in this, and

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each of these stands alone in that they have their

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own plot points and sort of themes that are being

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addressed in each title. But we have the character arcs

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with our main characters that continues throughout all of them,

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and so that's mostly what is needed for context, aside

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from a few little character references of events that took

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place in the first one. But primarily you kind of

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want to have that background of what happened with Jake

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and Arianna specifically in the first one.

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Speaker 4: So for example, I don't know if this is a

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spoiler for the first one or if we can say

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spoilers for the first one, but I did not remember

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that she said early on something about him blowing up

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her house, and I did.

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Speaker 1: Not remember that at all. Yeah, Like wow, well, that

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is extreme. I should probably listen to the first one.

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That's what I realized.

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Speaker 4: I should probably refresh myself on the first one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the line of her bringing that back up kind

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of kind of throwing it in his face. It's funny,

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but it's also like, wow, yeah, that's right, that's that's

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not a light thing that happened there. You know, you

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lose your entire house and everything in it pretty much.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so it's good that they didn't just her

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house wasn't just magically rebuilt in this one and they

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moved on like it never happened. Yeah, they're still dealing

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with the aftermath of the first one.

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Speaker 2: And I think he even says, Jake says something along

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the lines of it's only been a couple of months

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or something like that. So it kind of helps orient

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you if you have heard the other one and you

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know that it's sort of just picking up shortly after

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the first one.

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Speaker 4: Well, and the first scene was definitely referencing back to

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the other one as they were still investigating, and I

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was I could not remember at all what was going

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on in that first scene, but I just powered through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was an interesting sort of little prologue. I

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would say, kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: It was like a touch point with the last one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sort of a bridge between the yeah,

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the two stories. Yeah yeah, and that's we might as

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well get into it now. That's that's an interesting point

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because it's an interesting choice that they made here. It's

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a cold open, which is not necessarily unusual in audio drama.

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just it's that there is also no dialogue for about

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thirty seconds.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I was gonna say the same thing. It's just

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sound effects for thirty seconds. Great and a couple of

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like vocal fold things. But no, yeah, I was, I

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was going to comment on that same thing. I was.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I was engaged with it. I wasn't like, hey, I thought.

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Speaker 4: I turned it on, you know, like I the sound

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effects qued you and you're listening, you know.

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Speaker 1: But I did think that was pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And that stood out to me. I mean,

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it just jumped out at me again on this latest

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listen because it's a bold choice to do that, but

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it absolutely worked. And I thought that the same as

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what you said. It pulls you in and you can

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picture what's happening. You can picture the scene, yeah, but

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you don't have all the context of course, now you

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know that's that's probably not an unusual thing to do

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in a visual medium like TV or film, yeah, because

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you know, you have the pictures there to help you.

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But to do this in audio, I love it when

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they kind of push the boundaries. Producers push the boundaries

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of what you can do with audio, and I thought

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that was a really cool thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a.

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Speaker 4: Great point because that was definitely a production choice, because

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I'm sure when they got in the studio they just

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started recording the lines, you know. I don't know if

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they planned it out or if they they thought, you know,

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let's start it off with a good thirty seconds so

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of just sound effect and leading it in slowly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then we have that sort of prologue or

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bridge scene, and then we come into the first true

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scene I guess we'll call it of this show, and

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we have the announcer voiceover comes in with the listener

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discretion is advised sort of warning, and again we have

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a really interesting choice here. That voiceover is done over

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the top of the scene, over the top of the

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sound design for the scene. It's not over a music

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bed or something like that, or just dry like most

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of the time that kind of stuff is done in Odyssey,

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it's typically just there's no backing. It's just a dry

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read there, but it's over the top of the sound

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design of the next scene. That's a really really cool thing.

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Then I picked up on too, and I'm like, oh,

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another interesting choice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it was seamless enough that I didn't notice,

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but that is that is an interesting choice, but that's

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not an intuitive choice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the first thing we were talking about that

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might have been written into the script, because I I

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haven't seen the script for this show, but I have

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seen some of Darby Kerr's scripts and he does write

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fairly good notes for scene settings and things like that,

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so he may have written that into it. I don't know.

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But in this case, I would guess that that was

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a mic a tooiche decision to do this with the

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parental warning or listener discretion advised warning. Anyway, it's not

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a huge thing, but it's a really cool little tidbit

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that I thought was neat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's not breaking you away from the story

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that you're already entered into. It's just a little over

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the top, like we're continuing the story, but we're just

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going to warn you danger ahead.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of the announcer, that's Chris Fabriy and he's just

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got that just a great set of pipes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a great voice. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I guess Darby Kerr probably worked with him on like

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the Left Behind Adventures, Right, didn't Chris Fabry or co

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write a lot of that? Yeah, I thought this is

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back to the first scene, but I thought there was

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there was a funny line where he said something about

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the bad guy having friends in low places, and I

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really enjoyed that line. There was a there was a

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couple of witty things just that first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The dialogue, there's a lot of witty dialogue in this.

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And then that's kind of one of the signature things

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of Darby's writing. He's he's really good at snappy dialogue.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, snappy dialogue and a lot of references to pop

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culture from I don't know, the eighties.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't quite pick up on.

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Speaker 4: But I know that just enough of the context that

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I can roll with him. But yeah, I can pick

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up on, like you know, Phil Lawler's C. S. Lewis

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references but the eighties TV show references I struggle with

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or nineties.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what. And I thought

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that first.

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Speaker 4: I think the first conversation after that opening scene between

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Jake and I guess it's his employee Nate. I thought

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that was a very I thought the dialogue was. It

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felt like a very real conversation, you know, to me,

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it was. It didn't feel stilted, even though even though

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it was you know, they were talking about some like

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deep themes, but it felt like the kind of conversation

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that somebody would have with a friend.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought the dialogue was really well written there. Yeah,

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it was probab written throughout. But I just noticed that

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and off the bat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And I'm glad you brought that up too,

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because you know, we have heard from some feedback from

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some people who they look at the cover of the

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album and they see the title and they see the

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little summary and it's talking about vampires and blood and

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all this kind of stuff, and yeah, they draw conclusions

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about what kind of show this is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, I had to hide the cover right when

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I was walking into a couple of conversations.

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Speaker 1: I just made sure that wasn't on my phone.

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Speaker 4: When they people start talking to me like what are

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you looking at?

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Speaker 2: Which I think is probably intentional. It's an attention grabbing right,

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So it's it's doing two things. It's it's setting in

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the tone that this is not your average kid's audio drama,

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and it's also saying that we want to grab somebody

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the attention of people and potentially people who are not Christian.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it is cool too because it's kind of

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geared towards older listeners and towards people that are you know,

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that are exploring different things. They're able to deal with

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some some spiritual themes that that other audio dramas don't

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necessarily go into too deeply, Like and what I'm specifically

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thinking of that comes up several times throughout the drama

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is the way they talk about salvation and how it's

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not just about praying a prayer, you know, when you're

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a kid and then you know you're you go on

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and do whatever you want and you're fine, which is

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sometimes how it gets presented, you know. And I appreciated

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that they explored that a little bit with like, hey,

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you know, a Christian in name only isn't really a

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Christian just just because you said a prayer ones. If

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you're not actually making submitting to Jesus as Lord, then

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there's still an issue, you know, you still have to

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and so and they dealt with that, and I think

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that's really helpful for people, and especially older kids need

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to be thinking about that, you know. And and so

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I appreciated that they dived and dove dived, that they

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dave delved delved into it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you you've perfectly set up the clip that I

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was going to play, and I didn't even tell you

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ahead of time. So this is totally an organic conversation here.

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But Scout's honor, I wanted to specifically mention this because

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of what I referenced earlier, how some people have drawn

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some conclusions about what the content of the show is.

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They didn't even realize that it was Christian at all,

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and so I wanted to make sure to mention that

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it absolutely is, because, as you said, it's at the

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very beginning. We're only about six minutes in, and we

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have this deep discussion about salvation and spiritual warfare, and

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so the biblical messages and faith are very apparent for

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those who might be concerned that this is not a

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Christian audio drama. It absolutely is themes of the power

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of the blood, which is the theme is all throughout this.

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So here is a little clip. It's about a minute

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of that scene that you were actually just talking about,

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to illustrate that.

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Speaker 5: You don't become a Christian. You don't become a child

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of God by saying a prayer.

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Speaker 2: You need to change.

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Speaker 5: You need to ask forgiveness and change your life. You

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need to make Jesus your lord and live for him.

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And you didn't do that before. No, man, you know

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that Jesus wasn't who I was living for. Before you

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saw me doing things things no Christians should be doing.

477
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,559
I wasn't saved, But now you are. I hope I'm different, man,

478
00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:46,400
I really do. For whatever reason, I've been dropped into

479
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,880
this battle that I wasn't even aware of before, and

480
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,000
now I feel like I'm fighting at hand to hand.

481
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: And I can't help you.

482
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 5: How how are you going to fight off a spiritual

483
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,119
enemy or stand up to a demon?

484
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,799
Speaker 2: How are you going to do that? How are you?

485
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: Well?

486
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,599
Speaker 5: Only with Jesus? Well, I guess I don't get to

487
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:07,640
play those games with you.

488
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: Huh.

489
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 5: I figured, Ny, listen, I don't worry, boss, I get it.

490
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: So good. Yeah. I mean, you can hear the example

491
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,640
of the really great dialogue there. It sounds so natural

492
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,079
and genuine, a real conversation. It's Dugan Scherbondi as Jake

493
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,559
Muller and Christian Gill as Nate Hammill. Nate is one

494
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,440
of Jake's employees at the Security Agency, and obviously Jake

495
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:42,599
has sort of rededicated his life to the Lord in Unidentified,

496
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,200
but his employee Nate is not a Christian, and so

497
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,279
they have this really real conversation.

498
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which I really appreciated.

499
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,079
Speaker 4: And when you listen to Unidentified, the Christian themes don't

500
00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:57,079
pop out right away.

501
00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: You know you're going along with the story.

502
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 4: But in this one, you know, maybe assuming you've already

503
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,880
you're already intrigued by the story from Unidentified, and they

504
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,000
put it right out in the front and with a

505
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,480
great conversation and a lot of good things to think about,

506
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:15,680
and even little things like he says the employee says, Nate,

507
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:19,079
I miss talking about football and classic rock or whatever,

508
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,960
and he's like, well we still can. You know, all

509
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,920
that felt very natural, Like I feel like I've had

510
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,880
those same kind of conversations. Yeah, yeah, yeah, except right,

511
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,079
I'll generally talk about football and classic rock, just in

512
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,559
full transparency that those are not subjects that I am

513
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,799
very well versed in, So not.

514
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:36,319
Speaker 1: That specific thing, but in general, you know, the themes.

515
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:39,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are people out there who think once you

516
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:43,559
become a Christian, then you suddenly are reading the Bible

517
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:46,319
twenty four to seven or praying and you never do

518
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,960
anything that other people do. You know, you still enjoy life.

519
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,599
It's it's life and that more abundantly, right, Like you

520
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,279
can still enjoy life and have fun conversations with your

521
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,880
friends and so yeah, yeah, that was a really good

522
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,000
point that they brought up there.

523
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I appreciated that, and I appreciate it several

524
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,200
other times. Well maybe I'll bring it up in a

525
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,240
little bit later, But there are several times where you

526
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,799
come in on a conversation that he's having with his

527
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,039
other employees, and and you're coming in just like in

528
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:17,799
the middle of the conversation, but you could tell they're

529
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:20,759
waiting for you know, the suspect or whatever, and then

530
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:22,599
it just brings you in and you can tell like, okay, well, yeah,

531
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:24,279
they're sitting there on a steak out, so of course

532
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:26,400
they're talking about all kinds of things while they're waiting.

533
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like that. Yeah. I have a very

534
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:32,960
specific scene that comes up later that I jotted down.

535
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,559
It does that exact same thing, and I love it.

536
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet I jotted down the same one.

537
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: Well, let's real quickly shout out some of the other

538
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:46,000
main cast members. So Arianna Rodgers, who is sort of

539
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,799
the love interest though they're kind of kind of on again,

540
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,160
off again sort of thing with them, but she's played

541
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,160
my Sky' Siskin, who does just a fantastic job with

542
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:55,720
that character.

543
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, lots of funny lines about their the nature of

544
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:00,000
their relationship.

545
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're confusion.

546
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 4: About it and now there's confusion or lack of confusion

547
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:04,880
about it.

548
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,519
Speaker 2: And then another one of Jake's employees, Kevin O'Hare, is

549
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,759
played by Jake Phillips, and he also does a great

550
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:14,839
job with that character too. Yeah.

551
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,599
Speaker 4: I recognized his voice right off because I listened to

552
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:19,599
I think you told me about his podcast where he

553
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,799
reads yea some classic lib poems and things like that.

554
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, the culture Bumpkin. If you're interested, it's great.

555
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

556
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I thought he did a great job with

557
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,079
his character, although I did not realize No Hair was

558
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,839
a nickname, oh until until like the third episode, and

559
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,559
I was like, wait a minute. I thought they were

560
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:38,920
just saying his last name, and I was like, no,

561
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,160
there's a he's bald.

562
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: They're calling him no Hair.

563
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. And that's another thing that lends to

564
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,960
the believability of the story, because you know, a bunch

565
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,759
of dudes who were working together all the time in

566
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:55,640
stressful situations, like I think they're all, at least some

567
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,119
of them are ex military guys, and so they build

568
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,279
that camaraderie, and part of that is giving each other nicknames, right,

569
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:04,759
and his name is O'Hare, so why not call him

570
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:05,319
No Hair? You know?

571
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

572
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's so funny.

573
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: I didn't even pick up on it at first, but

574
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,279
and I did.

575
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: Uh. I wasn't sure about something with him, because you know,

576
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:17,200
we have this whole conversation about how Nate can't really

577
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:20,440
help in these spiritual battles because he's not a Christian,

578
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,200
and then he brings in No Hair to help him

579
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,079
out stuff. But it wasn't really ever made explicit that

580
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:28,799
he was a Christian. But I'm kind of assuming that

581
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:30,599
he is, since he was bringing him in to help

582
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,640
out with some of this stuff.

583
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,839
Speaker 2: But well, he's actually not either, but he's more open

584
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,160
to hearing about it. Nate's kind of like more stand office.

585
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,160
He doesn't really care too much. It seems like that's

586
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,880
the conclusions that I'm drawing, because in a later scene

587
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,519
where Jake is actually sort of witnessing to a character,

588
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:52,039
uh he Kevin O'Hare is in the in the in

589
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,079
the room or in the vicinity there, and he makes

590
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,680
a reference to oh it's his it's his Christian thing

591
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,799
or something like that. Oh it's a parent that he's

592
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:02,799
not either, but he's apparently he might be a little

593
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:04,440
closer to Jake personally.

594
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: Okay, sure maybe they yeah, they go further back, but

595
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,559
it just it was kind of weird that they made

596
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:10,519
such a big point about how this other character can't

597
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:14,000
help him, and then he's using all the help from

598
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:16,559
this other character who's apparently also not a Christian. So

599
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,519
I'm not that seems like a kind of an odd

600
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:20,440
double standard.

601
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,279
Speaker 2: Well, I think it was like he can't help him

602
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:26,480
in the actual the spiritual warfare aspect, not that he

603
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,920
can't work with him.

604
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: Sure.

605
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:30,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that he comes in at the end doing

606
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,720
a couple of things also, Yeah, so yeah, I guess

607
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,440
he's still.

608
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,319
Speaker 1: Using him for for the non spiritual aspect of what

609
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:37,799
he's doing.

610
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was my assumption, but I can

611
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,240
I can see how that might be a little confusing

612
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:47,359
for sure. A couple of other cast members which are

613
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:51,599
probably people who are very familiar to the listener here,

614
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:55,759
and that is Phil Lawler as Brian Omack. He's the

615
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:58,480
pastor that we hear in Unidentified. He comes back in

616
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,839
this one, a couple of really great scenes with him

617
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,519
again in this and then we also hear his wife.

618
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,640
She's referenced and unidentified, but we actually hear from her

619
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,240
in this one. And she's played by Chris Anthony Lansdowne.

620
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,039
Speaker 4: So which you would think of all the voices I

621
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:15,039
would recognize, I would recognize Chris, but I did not

622
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,759
know that was her until I heard the credits.

623
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:21,319
Speaker 1: Oh wow, what so she disguised her voice from me at.

624
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: Least, that's crazy.

625
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, any way, it is her character. Yeah, her character

626
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,240
name is Kristin.

627
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kristin Omack. And sort of a piggybacking on what

628
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,680
we were saying, a little bit ago about the dialogue.

629
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,799
We also have another example of really natural dialogue and

630
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,759
also an example of Darby doing some research, and that

631
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,599
is in the hospital scenes, we have a lot of

632
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,279
medical jargon thrown at us. Well, not that sounded negative.

633
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,920
I didn't mean it that way. It's like the characters there,

634
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,359
they're doctors and nurses. They're going to use that kind

635
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,559
of language with each other. And so we had stuff

636
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:59,480
like pedes as an abbreviation for the pediatric ward of

637
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,359
a hospital and saying they needed some onegg which is

638
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,400
oh negative blood to do a transfusion or or is

639
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,599
that what it's called, right, or an infusion of blood

640
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,680
or what whatever?

641
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: Vampire.

642
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, we have those different kind of

643
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,000
shorthand and terms that they would use naturally with each other,

644
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,200
and it's not like explained for the listener, Like when

645
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,720
I say this, I mean, you know, because sometimes people

646
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,200
actually do that kind of stuff in writing and it's terrible.

647
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,240
But this just sounds really really smooth and natural. So yeah,

648
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:34,880
it does.

649
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:39,519
Speaker 4: And also not you find out what's going on through

650
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:41,960
cues in the dialogue, because when people are having a conversation,

651
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,119
they already know information and they're not going to spell

652
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:48,680
it out, and so like I didn't, I didn't realize

653
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,960
that she was there because she worked at the hospital,

654
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,119
but now she's in a different area. Now she's not

655
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,400
in the emergency room anymore, and so at first I

656
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,599
was like, why is she offering to help? She's like,

657
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:00,519
because it just seems like she was coming this year

658
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,640
but didn't work there anymore. But then but and this

659
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,480
is all stuff that they would know automatically. But then

660
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,639
then it's worked in the dialogue, like what the situation is,

661
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,400
and you realize, oh, okay, so that's that's what's happening here.

662
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I yeah, again, good good writing.

663
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: And then ye're talking about there is Ariana, so she's

664
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:21,960
actually in the medical field here, and so yeah, a

665
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,400
few scenes with her on the job and interacting with

666
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,320
other medical professionals, and and that's kind of where the

667
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,440
action really kicks off, is because we have somebody brought

668
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,719
into the emergency room who has all of these bites

669
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:35,679
all over his body.

670
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 4: And the sound effects of the blood were horrible, Yeah, horrible,

671
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:43,800
and like a good way. I guess that could be

672
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,599
a good way. But I don't mean that they were

673
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:46,400
poorly produced.

674
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: Sound effects. I mean that like it was just so gross.

675
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 4: It was just like nasty to listen to, so not horrible,

676
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,639
Like great job on the sound design, and like, oh

677
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,079
my goodness, you're I don't know, just hearing the squishing,

678
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,000
the squishing in the sloshing.

679
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they did a great job with those.

680
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: And you you know you expect to hear some bloody

681
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,679
sound effects, I mean something called blood, but it was

682
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:10,679
very intense.

683
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,039
Speaker 2: No. I mean I I was thinking the same thing

684
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:15,880
as I was listening to it again, and I was like,

685
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:20,440
I don't remember this. This gloopy sounds.

686
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 4: Like it jumped out at me the very first time

687
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:25,280
I listened to I was like, oh my goodness.

688
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: Now, So after we have that interaction there at the hospital,

689
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,559
we have this scene where they go to visit the

690
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:40,079
pastor right, and so we have this really interesting discussion

691
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:43,800
about the song power in the Blood, right, Yeah, And

692
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,000
I mean that's you and I both have grown up

693
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,079
going to church our whole lives pretty much, and like

694
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,880
we're that's a song that we're both very familiar with.

695
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,360
And when you grow up in church and you hear

696
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,159
those kinds of phrases. Phil's character even calls it to

697
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,920
you know, Christianese, we don't necessarily always think about how

698
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,280
it sounds to somebody else who is who is not

699
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,599
from that worldview and not in that environment. But it

700
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,760
is something that I have thought about before over the

701
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,559
last few years, and thinking about certain not just hymns,

702
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,880
but other phrases that we use, how they sound to

703
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,920
other people. And I thought it was really interesting how

704
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,239
they discussed that, and it works really well. It's obviously

705
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,400
intentional they chose that song because it makes sense with

706
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,320
the theme of this, but it was really cool to

707
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,559
hear that, and I liked them just discussing what the

708
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,440
ramifications really are of the message of that song. So

709
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,400
I liked that quite a bit. Yeah.

710
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,119
Speaker 4: I had a friend who went to India first admission

711
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:50,519
work and they were singing, there's another hymn, There's a

712
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:53,039
fountain filled with blood from Emmanuel's veins.

713
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:54,599
Speaker 1: You know, he was thinking about that.

714
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 4: It's like, this sounds pretty weird if you don't know

715
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,440
what it's talking about. Absolutely, Yeah, sinner's plug just beneath

716
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,239
the blood, lose all their guilty stains.

717
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so true, you know, And it's funny. As

718
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,800
I was listening to this It really piqued my curiosity

719
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,320
because I was hearing those in the scene. There's a

720
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,599
kid's choir or a children's choir who is practicing or singing

721
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:21,000
that song in the background at the church and while

722
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,960
they're having this conversation with Pastor Omac. And for some reason,

723
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,440
that just really jumped out at me, those kids, and

724
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,039
I'm thinking, this is not a piece of royalty free music.

725
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:38,719
This is not stock. This is not a perfect quote

726
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,519
unquote perfect performance from like a children's music record, because

727
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:44,119
I heard a ton of those when I was a kid.

728
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,000
I've heard all of those kind of albums, and this

729
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:51,639
is not that. And so I thought, Yah, knowing that

730
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,559
Micah has three kids, I'm like, I wonder if he

731
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:59,079
recorded them for this, because that is definitely a custom

732
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:02,280
piece of of audio there. So I reached out to

733
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,719
him and I asked him, and turns out that's exactly

734
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,639
what it was. It was his kids and him and

735
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:13,280
his wife, and they all three are all three, they

736
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,079
all five of them sang through the song. And his

737
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:19,719
youngest daughter, I think he said she was around five

738
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,480
or six at the time, and so they recorded all

739
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:26,760
of them three times through and then he kind of

740
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,800
layered it and did some things with it. And if

741
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,079
you notice, it's not When I say it's not perfect,

742
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,039
I don't mean that in a negative way. It sounds

743
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,719
like it's a real group of children singing. They're not professionals,

744
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,320
and so there's certain things with the timing that are

745
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,119
slightly off. They're not all in sync all the time,

746
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:48,559
and so it's because he did some layering there and

747
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,039
sort of staggered certain parts of it so that it

748
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:55,000
wasn't all in sync completely. And he actually sent me

749
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:59,079
a screenshot of his project in his digital audio work station.

750
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome.

751
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:03,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's really cool and I love that kind

752
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,079
of stuff, those little details. But to think about it,

753
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,599
that scene was only a few minutes long, and all

754
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:13,159
of that work went into just a little section of

755
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:17,519
the background audio. This is not even the main characters. Yes, yeah,

756
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:20,239
that's the level of detail that high quality audio drama

757
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:20,960
producers go to.

758
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,639
Speaker 1: M Yeah, that's awesome, very very cool.

759
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I in that scene, I liked how Phil

760
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,920
Aller when he was quoting the words of the song

761
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,440
because that those A lot of my favorite hymns do

762
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,480
have to do with the blood, and there is there

763
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,760
really is power, you know, when you're singing about the

764
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,000
blood of Jesus and the blood of the Lamb, and

765
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,840
when he was quoting it back, even though he said, yeah, yeah,

766
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,639
that does sound a little odd, you know if somebody

767
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:48,280
doesn't know what you're talking about. But the gravitas that

768
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,599
he lends to the words when he was quoting them again.

769
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. One other little detail about

770
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,800
that kid's choir is if you listen closely, you'll hear

771
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,199
their a director who is giving them, you know, direction

772
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,760
or prompts as they're recording or as the kids are singing. Well,

773
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,960
turns out that was Darby's wife. Bobby. Joe and Micah

774
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,119
reached out to her and asked her to just record

775
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:16,679
some random lines directing the kids, and so he worked

776
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,320
that into the mix as well. So it's it's really cool. Again.

777
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,320
I love I love this kind of detail in the

778
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,880
little behind the scenes tidbits. It's so much, so much fun.

779
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:31,639
And speaking of little details again, we have a scene

780
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,000
shortly thereafter where Jake and and a cop are going

781
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,320
to visit this guy's house and the doorbell, the sound

782
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,400
of the doorbell at his house. It's got this creepy

783
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:47,199
sort of I don't know, haunted House quurt sort of

784
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,440
sound to it. Well, this is a creepy dude, right, like,

785
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:51,760
this is a this is a guy who is into

786
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,639
this vampire subculture. And I just love the sound that

787
00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:59,639
they that he chose for the doorbell, and it immediately

788
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:01,800
made me And I don't know if this is a

789
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,880
me misremembering something because I haven't listened to it in

790
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,639
a very long time, but it immediately made me think

791
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:09,760
of that old Carmen song from like the nineties, Witch's Invitation.

792
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,599
Did you ever hear that?

793
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: Ah?

794
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 4: No?

795
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: And it's it's sort of a similar concept of talking

796
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,440
about spiritual warfare. This preacher gets called to this warlocks

797
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,679
house because he wants to sort of challenge him. So

798
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,880
it's definitely all about spiritual warfare and all this, but

799
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,800
he's telling this story. It's a it's a narrative song

800
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,039
that that Carmen did and has him walking up to

801
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,320
the front door and pressing the doorbell. And in my memory,

802
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,400
again it may be inaccurate, but in my memory, the

803
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,800
doorbell sounds very similar to the one that Mike used

804
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,400
for this house.

805
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was definitely definitely gave you Dracula vibes.

806
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

807
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 4: And speaking of the cop that he goes with, Detective Kowalski,

808
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,119
I loved her character.

809
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: I thought she was great. Yes, I loved her accent.

810
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 4: I load her added dude, I thought that was a great,

811
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:03,079
great character.

812
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: Sort of the stereotypical, no nonsense cop. Yeah.

813
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was the straight person, but she Yeah, she

814
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:14,199
was just so funny. Every time she was in a scene,

815
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:14,480
I was.

816
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:21,159
Speaker 2: Like, Yes, she was played by Kara O'Brien, and Kara's fantastic.

817
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,519
She did a really great job.

818
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

819
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,119
Speaker 2: And speaking of the vampire subculture, of course, that is

820
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:32,599
what the main point is of this. It's looking at

821
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:39,000
how Satan sort of distorts themes from scripture or things

822
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:43,440
that are truly part of God's relationship with man, right,

823
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:48,320
and he takes them and makes these twisted, perverted versions

824
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,760
of these things. And so that's exactly what they're tackling

825
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,440
here with this show. That's the point of it. And

826
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:59,320
so I don't know this for a fact, but because

827
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,239
I haven't verified, but it sounds to me like Darby

828
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,519
did a lot of research into this subculture and we

829
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:10,000
have all these terms like cy vamp and sanguinarian and

830
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,960
all these different terms that these people are familiar with

831
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,599
and use, and it is a weird, dark place and

832
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:20,800
I'm sure it wasn't super fun to do that research.

833
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:22,840
But if you're going to tell a story like this

834
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,239
and it's going to be successful, it's going to pack

835
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,719
a punch, it's going to be true. You have to

836
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,360
you have to go into those places to understand what

837
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,159
you're talking about.

838
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and even that you know, original book about

839
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,880
Dracula by Bram Stoker, Bram Stoker. Yeah, there's a lot

840
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,760
of Christian themes element that are being played with there

841
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,159
that that have, i think have been muted by a

842
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,440
lot of the like pop culture stuff that's come out

843
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:55,800
in recent years. But that's definitely what he was playing with, absolutely,

844
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,639
the perversion of all the all the true biblical themes

845
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:01,440
about the blood and you.

846
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,679
Speaker 2: Know, well, and then that happens, This is sort of

847
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,760
a rabbit trail, but that happens with a lot of

848
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:10,079
those sort of older stories that even have a slight

849
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,280
tinge of horror or something like that to them, when

850
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,960
they get adapted into pop culture, they lose a lot

851
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,320
of that. And we had this almost exact same discussion

852
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,960
a few years ago when we were talking about Frankenstein

853
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,880
and you ended up reviewing Oasis Audio's version, their audio

854
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,119
drama version of Frankenstein, which is very faithful to the

855
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,840
original book. And I remember you and I talking about

856
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,239
this and You're like, I don't know, isn't that a

857
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,960
weird like monster kind of thing. And I'm like, it's

858
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,559
actually way more than that. And I think you'll be

859
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:44,880
surprised when you listen to this audio drama how different

860
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,360
it is from what people think of when they think

861
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,440
Frankenstein around Halloween time, you know, right right, yeah.

862
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 4: And that's another one where there's powerful biblical themes and

863
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,199
not even that, like Mary Shelley wasn't exactly a you know,

864
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:04,079
upstate believer following Jesus, you know, but but the themes

865
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:07,400
that she's exploring are they're human themes and it has

866
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,079
to do with God and creation and you know stuff

867
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:11,840
with Dracula. It has to do with the blood, and

868
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,599
it has to do with everlasting life and you know,

869
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:18,760
all of these things that are that the devil offers

870
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:21,039
a different path and he take and that's what he

871
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:21,599
always does.

872
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:24,639
Speaker 1: He takes things and he perverts them for his own ends.

873
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,159
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. So there's your little rabbit trail on classic literature.

874
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,280
You might you might want to go check out those books.

875
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: There you go all from the doorbell. Yeah, another sound thing.

876
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,960
This is kind of a vocal foldy thing. When she

877
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,000
is walking home in the middle of the night and

878
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:46,760
she was breathing really heavily, and I was like, is

879
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,840
she running? Like why is she breathing so heavily? And

880
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,679
then I realized it's because it's cold, and you do

881
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,719
breathe like that when you're walking in the cold, you know,

882
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,440
there's the heavier.

883
00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: Breathing, and so that was kind of when I realized it.

884
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that's of cool because that tells

885
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,599
me what the temperature is without them necessarily like they

886
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:06,480
do make reference later on to how cold Chicago is

887
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:09,119
or whatever, but that was a vocal folding thing that

888
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,119
tells us something about the weather, you know, and the

889
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,199
temperature without being explicit about it.

890
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And speaking of Ari, there's a scene close

891
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,840
to the beginning of part two where she's talking with Jake,

892
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,360
and I just thought it was kind of a funny

893
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,559
little reference and it's sort of an example of how

894
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:33,840
you can work in personality into just dialogue, just by

895
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,000
little comments that sound natural in the dialogue, and it's

896
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:40,079
also conveying to the listener a little bit about who

897
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,559
this person is without them saying well I like this

898
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:45,000
and this is what you know, because that kind of

899
00:46:45,039 --> 00:46:48,360
dialogue is terrible, and so it's just just a little

900
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,159
bit of reference where she's kind of kind of pushing

901
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,440
back at Jake about his dad's music collection, how she

902
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,079
doesn't like his selection of music, and it was just

903
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:02,119
a I don't know, she didn't say I don't like

904
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:05,440
his music selection, you know, it was more like, I

905
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,559
think she says something along the lines of getting because

906
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,519
she's actually staying at Jake's house. He's staying elsewhere because

907
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,840
her house got destroyed in the last show, so he

908
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,599
said she could stay at his place. Or maybe it

909
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:21,000
was that he was going to say she could go

910
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,039
stay at his dad's house or something. Anyway, I don't

911
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:25,840
remember the specifics, but it was something about his dad's

912
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,400
music election and she says, well, that's not necessarily a

913
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,880
plus for me, or something along those lines. And so

914
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,599
it's just little little things like that which don't stop

915
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:41,719
the flow of what's happening in the scene, but again,

916
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,960
it conveys something about who this character is, right.

917
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, although speaking of her character, something that did stop the.

918
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: Flow for me that I do not understand.

919
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 4: And I don't know how much we want to get

920
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,599
into it because they had to be aware of this,

921
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,400
but I just don't. It just doesn't make any sense

922
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,599
to me because she references several times about how she's

923
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,440
a black and karate so she can take care of herself. Yeah,

924
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,519
and Jake doesn't need to protect her. She can handle herself,

925
00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:09,119
but she never like several times, if I was a

926
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,360
black belt karate, I would have been acting way quicker

927
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,480
than she was, and I was my wife was listening

928
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,559
to a particular part where I don't want to spoil things,

929
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,639
but you know, one of the creepy guys is like

930
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,039
physically like has his hands on her, and she's just like,

931
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,159
I don't like this, you know, and Allison is like

932
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:29,559
before he ever got close enough to touch me, I

933
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:31,880
would have been fighting back, you know, and I would

934
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,360
have too, because like it's I.

935
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: Don't know, I did. I do not understand. I guess

936
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,840
I was more sympathetic with Jake's point of view.

937
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 4: I was with hers, because she is very insistent that

938
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,440
she can handle herself, and she doesn't seem to. She

939
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,000
seems to just like, I don't know, she just never

940
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:50,079
uses those skills.

941
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have any perspective on that?

942
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,199
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, a couple of things. And here is a

943
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,840
slight spoiler, So skip ahead about five seconds in that

944
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,960
scene that you're talking about. I think it might be

945
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,440
because he had chloroformed her and so she might have

946
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:08,400
been sort of incapacitated.

947
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 4: Okay, five seconds has passed. Skipping ahead another five to

948
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,719
ten seconds. No, that is one of the scenes I'm

949
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,360
talking about. But I'm talking about the very first time

950
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,719
when she's walking home and he like puts his hands

951
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,079
on her head, and why is she letting him put

952
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,719
his hands on her. She doesn't know what he's trying

953
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,599
to do, she doesn't know who he is. And it's

954
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:28,840
this guy that comes out of nowhere and he grabs

955
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,440
her head like this is before the chloroform thing. And

956
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,280
then and then Jake comes up thankfully, because I mean

957
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,719
not that that guy was actually you know, like I

958
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,519
guess it would have turned out okay, but and I'm

959
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:41,760
not saying that Jake, you know, covered himself with glory

960
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,199
necessarily either in the way.

961
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:44,119
Speaker 1: He handles them.

962
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 4: But I didn't think it was very odd that she

963
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,639
because she was already on edge, she was already nervous.

964
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,280
She's she's talking to the pastor and his wife, you know,

965
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,920
mentioning that these creepy people are following her.

966
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: And she doesn't know why. You know, So why are

967
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,519
you letting him get that close to you? I did

968
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:01,239
not get it.

969
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:05,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I I understand too, because I was like,

970
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:09,719
is she being a little too unreasonable about getting frustrated

971
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,199
when when Jake's stepping in to help her out. I

972
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,960
was thinking that she's she's getting a little too unreasonable there,

973
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,880
Like he's he's just trying to let you know that

974
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,880
he cares, you know, he doesn't want to see you

975
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,239
get hurt. So I'm sympathetic to Jake there on that

976
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,760
point too, But I think it's also part of just

977
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,440
trying to show the struggle that both of these characters

978
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:35,000
are going through as they're trying to figure out what

979
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,039
they want in life. So she's like struggling with.

980
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 4: Like, sometimes I just want a vampire to squish my head,

981
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:41,719
and I don't want you to.

982
00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't want you to mess with me when that's happening.

983
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 2: It's like she's she's got mixed feelings about does she

984
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,159
want to pursue a relationship with this guy or does

985
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,960
she not? And I think that's part of what they're

986
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,280
trying to show there. But I understand, I absolutely agree

987
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,719
that it's like, all right, chill out, let him, let him.

988
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:04,119
He's got all these trained guys who can help out.

989
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,119
Speaker 1: You know, that's really what he does for work.

990
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: Which I could kind of understand her, like, hey, you're

991
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,599
not you know, we're not in a relationship. I don't

992
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,239
want you like hovering over me, Like I can kind

993
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,440
of understand that perspective. Yeah, but when a guy was

994
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,599
literally had your head in his hands and he stepped

995
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:19,400
to defend you when you said you were going to

996
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,960
defend yourself, and then you just let him try.

997
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,159
Speaker 1: To do his syvam thing on you like that, that

998
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:24,800
is does it?

999
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,599
Speaker 4: And I don't know if she if she because of

1000
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:29,559
being a Christian, like she doesn't feel like she should

1001
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:30,119
fight back.

1002
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, So do you think that's part That was the

1003
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,360
other thing that I was going to say too, And

1004
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,039
I think that's part of they're trying to show the

1005
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:38,480
contrast where Jake is just immediately fly off the handle

1006
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:41,679
and start punching things, and she's kind of the opposite, like,

1007
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:44,840
that's not how you solve the problems. Yeah, and so

1008
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,920
it's kind of the opposite the two extremes there that

1009
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,280
they're trying to show. That's that's kind of what I thought.

1010
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,199
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, let's calm down and make a couple

1011
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,480
of Star Trek jokes, you know, while they're you know,

1012
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:56,599
coming at me out of.

1013
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: The dark alley, and we'll just kind of just see

1014
00:51:58,880 --> 00:51:59,400
what happens.

1015
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 4: You know, Jake, maybe this is a one perspective versus

1016
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,639
a guy perspective.

1017
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I am I'm mystified by her behavior.

1018
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it.

1019
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 4: I am also mystified by since we're you know, just

1020
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,079
on this track, and I just want to throw this

1021
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:19,960
out there. He runs a security company, and there is

1022
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,800
at least one time where he has guys outside and

1023
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,039
she's at his house and there's somebody in his house,

1024
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:29,960
and you're telling me he doesn't have like a good

1025
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,599
security system and his guys aren't watching, Like, how in

1026
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:33,920
the world did.

1027
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: They get in his house? I like that unless it

1028
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:37,800
was like spiritual like.

1029
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,159
Speaker 2: Maybe they Yeah, maybe that's what it was.

1030
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe monically they somehow got in, but otherwise that

1031
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,559
you know, maybe it's like the painter's house who isn't

1032
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,480
painted and he's like a security guy, but he doesn't

1033
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:50,159
have a good security system his own house. But that

1034
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:53,280
felt very unrealistic to me, especially since he's concerned and

1035
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,280
he has I had forgot the guy's name that was

1036
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,199
outside Stewie, but he he you know, fell out, the

1037
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:00,480
dropped the ball he did he did.

1038
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for thank you for admitting that.

1039
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,079
Speaker 4: I don't want him to get fired or anything, but

1040
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,920
I want him to be strongly reprimanded because that was ridiculous.

1041
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's so so. Stewie's another employee of the

1042
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,000
of the agency there, and we've mentioned Kevin before. This

1043
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:17,920
was funny. We have this this tough security dude and

1044
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,159
he's like making latte art in that one scene. I

1045
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,159
loved it. I loved it.

1046
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, this is what I'm paying for. Yeah

1047
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,519
that was funny. Yeah, I really liked his character. He

1048
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:28,320
had a great character.

1049
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't remember how much coffee was in this show.

1050
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,679
It's it's all throughout. It's like, yeah, as a coffee lover,

1051
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,599
I'm all all about it. Yeah.

1052
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 4: And early on at the hospital, they had a great

1053
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,760
line where she says, how old is this coffee and

1054
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,960
the other girl says, I have children that are younger

1055
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:44,760
than that coffee.

1056
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1057
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Yeah, Yeah.

1058
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,199
Speaker 4: And they had some great moments between No Hair, Kevin

1059
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,719
No Hair, and and Jake, especially as they're like investigating

1060
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,880
and you know, trying to track things down, and the

1061
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,960
whole dialogue at the furniture store where he repeating the

1062
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:03,800
sales points of the yes, the salesman.

1063
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,599
Speaker 1: That was so funny. I loved all of that.

1064
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's another thing too, is the dynamic between I

1065
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,119
had that in my notes. The dynamic between Jake and

1066
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,239
Kevin is just so great throughout this. But he had

1067
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,679
a really good point too. He was kind of saying

1068
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,559
it in a joking way, but it's absolutely true, he says.

1069
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,000
Kevin says, people complain about privacy and then they post

1070
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:29,199
their whole life on social media, you know, and that

1071
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,119
is very dangerous. I mean tying this to another audio

1072
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:37,360
drama producer in this space, Heart Matters, that's kind of

1073
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,119
one of the things that they were talking about is

1074
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,960
being safe online and It's absolutely true. Most people, if

1075
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:50,400
they're on Facebook, their profile is publicly accessible. Anybody else

1076
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,159
who has a Facebook account can read all of their posts,

1077
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:56,960
not just your family and friends that you're connected to,

1078
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,800
and you're sharing pictures of your home, your kids, all

1079
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,400
this kind of stuff, and even the slightest little details

1080
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,480
that you share. The cumulative effect of all of that information,

1081
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,239
bad actors out there can totally take that and do

1082
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,440
some crazy stuff with it. So, yeah, a really good

1083
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:18,400
point that he brought up.

1084
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,159
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, very true.

1085
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 4: In line with that, the social media site. I know

1086
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,880
that you and Roy and Andrew have talked about this

1087
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,239
in the past, how when audio dramas make the decision

1088
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,679
to use brand names or not. And so they had

1089
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,679
my face as the social media account that they're talking about,

1090
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,840
which I laughed at, and then I was like, they

1091
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,119
haven't been too shy about any other like specific references.

1092
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:45,400
But I was curious why they went that route for

1093
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:48,320
this specific you know, for a social media platform.

1094
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,679
Speaker 1: If they were worried about rights or something or.

1095
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I you know what, that one went right over

1096
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,039
my head. I didn't even know it catch that one.

1097
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:55,960
That's interesting.

1098
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and they avoided saying FaceTime.

1099
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,519
Speaker 4: Also, at one point, the character says, they' spen all

1100
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:05,159
the time facing each other, and you know, you assume

1101
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:07,719
that they're talking about FaceTime. But and he's like kind

1102
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,079
of older. It's Jake's dad, you know, so oh, you

1103
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:12,400
kind of assume like, oh, he just messed up the word.

1104
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,760
But I wonder if it was intentional that they didn't

1105
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,039
want to use that in case it was branded or something,

1106
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:18,880
which maybe I shouldn't have used it. Strike that from

1107
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,920
the record, don't listen to this Apple.

1108
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. That's a good question, because I

1109
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:29,880
think there are other brand name references in other areas.

1110
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it seems like it, But maybe I'm just

1111
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,360
more thinking of specific like pop culture references to TV

1112
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,159
shows and things that but like places, like they're talking

1113
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:41,480
about real places and they're talking about Yeah.

1114
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:44,159
Speaker 2: So but well, and you mentioned Jake's dad. That was cool.

1115
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:47,960
We have a Bill Myers cameo. He plays Jake's dad, David.

1116
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:49,039
Was that his name, right, David?

1117
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, David Muller, Yeah, which I really enjoyed that. I

1118
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:54,119
have a weird Bill Meyers story. Do you want to

1119
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:54,360
hear it?

1120
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: Sure?

1121
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: I was.

1122
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,199
Speaker 4: I think I was sixteen and I went to a

1123
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,840
writer's call conference by myself, and it was a couple

1124
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,519
of days and I saw I'm a teenager. I didn't

1125
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:06,039
know anybody there. I just went because I wanted to learn.

1126
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:08,920
And he was one of the speakers there, and I

1127
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,360
think he could tell that I was like alone by

1128
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,119
my you know there, No, I didn't have anybody with me,

1129
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480
and uh, and so he he was like making a

1130
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,480
point to like interact with me. He wasn't like coming

1131
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:20,360
up and having conversations, but he was interacting with me

1132
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:20,519
in the.

1133
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: Classes and stuff.

1134
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 4: And then at one point I was standing in the

1135
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,280
hall and he came by and suddenly he just bent

1136
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,639
down and untied my shoes and then kept walking. And

1137
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,960
so then later on and he didn't say anything.

1138
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: And then later on.

1139
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,559
Speaker 4: He was standing there and I went by and he

1140
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:39,119
was talking to somebody and probably somebody important I don't know,

1141
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:40,519
and I and I did the same thing to him,

1142
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,880
and he's like what you know, and he reacted really big,

1143
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:45,320
and the person standing there was like.

1144
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: What the world I just ran off? But anyways, that's

1145
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:48,559
like the one interaction.

1146
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: Hilarious.

1147
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't impune him or anything.

1148
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,599
Speaker 4: If he wants to deny that, but uh, I was

1149
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:59,440
the kid who was, you know, there with all the

1150
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:01,679
like what are well known people, and it actually meant

1151
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,960
something to me that he just did that goofy thing.

1152
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: You know, just to like acknowledge me and interact with me.

1153
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:12,039
Speaker 2: So anyways, money, that's that's awesome. Yeah. I've had some

1154
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:15,679
some interactions with him, mostly over over email over over

1155
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:19,159
the years, but he I actually did interview him on

1156
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,880
the Bookworm Banquet podcast a few years back, and even

1157
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,079
before he was a part of Odyssey, I had been

1158
00:58:26,119 --> 00:58:29,719
a reader of his novels and so I've been a

1159
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:32,199
fan of Bill Myers for many, many years. So anyway,

1160
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,440
it was cool to hear him in this show. And

1161
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:38,199
that is a hilarious story, and I'm glad you shared it. Okay, good, good,

1162
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,039
Well we've kind of alluded to this already, but another

1163
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:47,880
example of the great dynamic between Jake and Kevin. All

1164
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,559
these crazier things are happening, These these creepy guys are

1165
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:53,920
coming after Ari, all this stuff is going on. They're

1166
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,400
trying to figure out what these weird vampire guys are doing,

1167
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,800
and so Kevin's like, well, what gonna do now? And

1168
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:03,159
Jake says something like, well, I want to keep an

1169
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:05,519
eye on this guy, and he was saying he's basically

1170
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:08,280
going to go stock him, and Kevin's like, did you

1171
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,760
clear this with CPD? And Jake's like, I figured it's

1172
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,599
easier to ask for forgiveness and permission, and Kevin's like,

1173
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:20,079
you know that's not a real plan, right, yeah, And

1174
00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:23,159
that's exactly how two dudes would talk.

1175
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,119
Speaker 4: To each other, you know, yes, yes, absolutely, And just

1176
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:28,079
that's a perfect segue. I'm going to steal this before

1177
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:29,880
you have a chance to say it. But when the

1178
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:32,639
when they're talking in the car and they are like

1179
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:35,880
staking out this guy and you come in towards the

1180
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,119
end of their conversation. They've obviously been sitting there a while,

1181
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:40,119
and you know, at first you're not sure what they're

1182
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:43,320
talking about, but they're totally arguing about the JFK assassination.

1183
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:46,559
Speaker 1: I loved that.

1184
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: So I loved it too.

1185
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: That's a very real conversation.

1186
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:54,039
Speaker 4: You know, people do like that's exactly what like, you're

1187
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:56,159
sitting in a car for hours and that's exactly the.

1188
00:59:56,119 --> 00:59:58,199
Speaker 1: Kind of stuff that you like end up talking about.

1189
00:59:58,199 --> 00:59:59,599
But that was so good.

1190
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,679
Speaker 2: Arguing the assassination conspiracy theories.

1191
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, yeah, JD.

1192
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,639
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you right now that I'm fully

1193
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:09,719
in the camp that Oswald did it, So I probably

1194
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,440
just lost a lot of fans right there.

1195
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: But so that's not a reflection on JD.

1196
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:15,519
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know what he believes about it,

1197
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:17,719
but I listened to the rest of his history podcast

1198
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,719
about it and they convinced me like thoroughly, Well.

1199
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:24,599
Speaker 2: My takes on that are way too hot for this show.

1200
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:26,679
Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, no, we don't want to get into that.

1201
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's just just really really good. And there's

1202
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,199
another scene. I'm not going to go into all of

1203
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:39,360
the details because I don't want to spoil it, but

1204
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:44,400
there's just a really funny scene with Jake sending Kevin

1205
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:49,559
into the store where this one dudeceiver works and it's

1206
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:51,079
just you know, he's got an ear piece in so

1207
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:55,639
they can talk to each other and it's just really fun. Again,

1208
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:56,679
love those characters.

1209
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: Classic.

1210
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:01,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, And as they're still investigating, there's a voice of

1211
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:03,760
a character who's he's kind of like a bouncer, I guess,

1212
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,119
but his voice cracked me up as well.

1213
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: It was it was a little bit cartoony, like.

1214
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 4: The it's like a big guy, but I'm here for

1215
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,239
the cartoony that was that was really funny his voice.

1216
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,119
And another this is a production thing and I don't

1217
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:19,880
want to spoil the effect if people haven't heard it yet,

1218
01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:21,599
but I want to acknowledge it. And I don't know

1219
01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:23,519
how I'm gonna do this without spoiling it. But they

1220
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:26,039
had this great moment where, like with the music and

1221
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,159
the sound effects in the situation, it feels like it's

1222
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:32,280
leading up to a jump scare, you know, like you

1223
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,280
could tell when there's gonna be a jump scare and

1224
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,000
then it doesn't happen, and then until it does.

1225
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: So anyways, yes, how's that vague?

1226
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,039
Speaker 4: But anyways, I for as far as like when people

1227
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:44,559
listen to it, they'll probably know what I'm talking about.

1228
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:47,079
But I thought that was so well done. I really

1229
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:49,320
really enjoyed the way that they played that out.

1230
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really cool too. And here's another one.

1231
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,159
So there's a scene where we have a conversation on

1232
01:01:56,199 --> 01:02:00,880
the phone between Arianna and Jake, and it starts off

1233
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,599
with with one side with with with ari and so

1234
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:07,159
we're hearing the conversation from her point of view, and

1235
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,519
then we have this shift in the sound design over

1236
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:12,119
to Jake and and I think Kevin is there also

1237
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:15,079
with him at the time, but that that just those

1238
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:18,159
little things are so cool. I love it when I when.

1239
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: You do that like that.

1240
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I've heard that in some other

1241
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,519
drama before. But yeah, I that was that was a

1242
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:24,760
really really cool effect.

1243
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: But I think my wife actually.

1244
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 4: Commented on that and how how she liked how that

1245
01:02:28,519 --> 01:02:31,360
played out. And I think around there he there was

1246
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,199
a funny line from from Kevin where he says, can

1247
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:36,280
I give you some unsolicit advice about Ari?

1248
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,239
Speaker 1: And he says nope, and then he just proceeds to

1249
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:38,960
give it to him anyway.

1250
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that made me laugh out love again.

1251
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: It's it's what two friends would would do. It's exactly.

1252
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,360
I mean, I we're we're probably be laboring the point,

1253
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,039
but it's just so so good the way these guys

1254
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:55,719
interact with each other. And uh, there's another couple of

1255
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:58,920
interesting and funny lines. So they're they're sneaking into this

1256
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:03,239
place and he gets in and Jake's like, what what

1257
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:04,920
do you see or something like that, and Kevin's like,

1258
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,159
it looks like a kitchen it hasn't been used in

1259
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:09,679
a million years. And Jake's like, guess I won't be

1260
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:10,559
ordering the wings.

1261
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember that.

1262
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:16,119
Speaker 4: There was a lot of good a lot of good

1263
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:18,679
lines that, just like you said, a lot of witty,

1264
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:20,119
witty dialogue.

1265
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: And all throughout. The music by Jared deepest Wall is

1266
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,159
really good. I mean you referenced it just a moment ago.

1267
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,639
How the music definitely plays a part in helping to

1268
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:33,760
tell the story. But the closing music queue of part

1269
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,800
two there, it's just it's building and there's just it's

1270
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,440
just epic. It's it's so good. And the way that

1271
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,480
the four parts are broken up, it's done at a

1272
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:47,559
really good times in each part of the story. It's

1273
01:03:47,719 --> 01:03:51,239
they're like little cliffhangers with each one. It's it's done

1274
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:51,800
really well.

1275
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:55,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm thinking particularly of episode three here, but

1276
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:58,199
they work in a flashback to something in Jake's past

1277
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,719
right at the beginning of three, which is the perfect

1278
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:03,679
time to work it in, and you're at first not sure, like,

1279
01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:05,719
oh is this happening real time? And then you pretty

1280
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:07,840
quickly realize like, oh no, this is a flashback, you know.

1281
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,360
But I thought the way that they handled it was

1282
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,519
really good, Like they worked it in a good way.

1283
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: Dude, we are so in sync today. Notice that I

1284
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,199
had that exactly. This is exactly what I have in

1285
01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:22,519
my notes. That opening scene throws you a curveball, but

1286
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:25,079
it's as good a place as any for a flashback.

1287
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,519
And I'm not going to spoil why, but it was

1288
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,400
a great writing tactic to use it at that point.

1289
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,519
And it's not just there to say, oh, this is

1290
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:38,320
a cool flashback. It's telling a little bit about Jake's past.

1291
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:41,639
Speaker 4: Which becomes important further on in the story, like we

1292
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:44,280
needed to know that information for something that happens later.

1293
01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:46,760
But then they obviously want to tell parts of Jake's story.

1294
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,119
But it's kind of cool how they're sprinkling in things

1295
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:51,960
from his past in these I'm assuming they're going to

1296
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:54,119
do that in the next couple that I haven't heard,

1297
01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:56,719
just putting working it in as we go.

1298
01:04:57,199 --> 01:05:00,599
Speaker 2: That particular event is sort of traumatized as him because

1299
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:04,760
it's it's referenced in Unidentified as well, so it's something

1300
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,440
that he's really struggling with.

1301
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:11,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I liked this is another sound design thing.

1302
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,159
Speaker 4: I don't know which part it was, but this is

1303
01:05:14,239 --> 01:05:16,280
just like a hats off to the sound designer.

1304
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,119
Speaker 1: But her dog, which I forget the name is like.

1305
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 4: Criten or something, but I had forgotten that she had

1306
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:23,800
a dog, so's I guess it's the first time the

1307
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,760
dog appears. And I was doing some work for my

1308
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,320
company out in a field, like a farmer's field that

1309
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:32,599
we had some you know, fiber going through there that

1310
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:35,519
I was placing. And I'm listening to the story and

1311
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:38,280
I hear a dog barking and like getting closer, and

1312
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:41,000
I'm looking around. I maybe jump because I thought I

1313
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,119
thought a dog was coming after me in that moment,

1314
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:44,960
and then I realized that was all that because she

1315
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:47,000
yells at the dog to be quiet or whatever. I

1316
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:49,760
was like, oh no, but it sounded so real and

1317
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:50,760
I genuinely thought.

1318
01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: A dog was running out. So good job with that

1319
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:54,199
dog sound effect.

1320
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,119
Speaker 2: That's great. That's great.

1321
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,679
Speaker 4: And also she should you know, I won't get on

1322
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:01,440
this again, but she should into her dog more. Her

1323
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,639
dog knows it best.

1324
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So you know, we talked about how this

1325
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,760
is sort of tackling the whole vampire subculture and this

1326
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,360
is not just a weird thing that people do around Halloween.

1327
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:19,039
This is an actual crazy thing that is happening around

1328
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,840
this country and around the world. This is not something

1329
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,719
that was made up for this show. This is real stuff.

1330
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,199
And so that we have a scene here with one

1331
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:31,119
of those characters who's involved in that stuff, who gives

1332
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:34,400
a lot of context and information about this whole thing,

1333
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:36,880
but he doesn't do it in an info dumpy way.

1334
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,960
It's again very natural in the conversation. But he's also

1335
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,880
he's a little bit of a creepy dude. But there's

1336
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:46,199
little things that he makes references to Jake and it's like, oh,

1337
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,480
he's hitting a nerve there, and that was wondering also

1338
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,199
if that might be another one of those little spiritual

1339
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,599
things that it's sort of coming into play there because

1340
01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:59,719
some of the references that he's saying there he shouldn't

1341
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:04,920
know necessarily these things about Jake. Sure, but it's maybe

1342
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:06,880
like I'm not I'm not saying that he is like

1343
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,000
possessed or anything like that, but it was it's more

1344
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:13,119
like he's being he's getting nudges from from somewhere to

1345
01:07:13,159 --> 01:07:14,119
say certain things.

1346
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah he was. And that was kind

1347
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,119
of a theme through is there was there was character

1348
01:07:22,519 --> 01:07:25,760
development for Jake, you know, as he's he's wrestling through

1349
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,079
some different things.

1350
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 2: And then we have this scene which is crazy, crazy

1351
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,079
dramatic scene with a character called Penelope mm hmm, and

1352
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:40,920
it's absolutely gripping, and there's an interaction with with her

1353
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,280
uh and and Arianna.

1354
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:43,719
Speaker 4: Uh.

1355
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,159
Speaker 2: There's a there's a whole lot going on with that character.

1356
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:52,440
But uh, what a performance by Chloe Elmore. She did

1357
01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:55,800
just a fantastic job with that character. And she was

1358
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,400
not even in the same room with Sky, who was

1359
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:05,039
playing Arianna. In fact, Chloe's a kiwi actually, I think so.

1360
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,480
I think she was coming in either remotely or she

1361
01:08:07,519 --> 01:08:10,960
may have even recorded wild. I can't remember the specifics

1362
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,119
on this, but the interaction there was seamless.

1363
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, I would not have known that it was wild,

1364
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,800
if that's what it was. And I did think about

1365
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,439
that scene and how difficult it would have been as

1366
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,960
an actor to maintain the kind of what she was

1367
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,560
doing with her voice, just like she was playing that

1368
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,279
character and just the aspects of that character and like

1369
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,640
maintaining what Yeah, I feel like I'm dancing around it

1370
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,039
because I'm trying not just spoil things, but the way

1371
01:08:39,159 --> 01:08:40,079
she maintained what she.

1372
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:42,119
Speaker 1: Was doing with her voice was really impressive. That would

1373
01:08:42,119 --> 01:08:42,680
have been hard to do.

1374
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:47,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just I mean, she has some heart

1375
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:52,319
wrenching moments with this character and just I mean, I

1376
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:54,680
don't even know what else to say. Just the performance

1377
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:58,800
there was top tier. Yeah, and again, we have all

1378
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,920
of these themes from the actual title of the show

1379
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:06,239
blood running through. We have blood sacrifice and blood is life,

1380
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:08,680
and there's power in the blood. And without the shedding

1381
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,880
of blood, there's no remission of sins. And all of

1382
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,479
these things are coming through, and so it's brought home

1383
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,319
really really well. And Penelope says, I don't remember now

1384
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,279
if this was in the conversation with Ari or with Jake,

1385
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:25,800
but she says, Jesus blood, we used to use that

1386
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,239
as a curse. And I don't know if that's a

1387
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:32,000
real thing that that Darby found out in his research

1388
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,039
and worked it in, but it seems plausible that people

1389
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:39,840
in that kind of environment or that subculture would would

1390
01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:43,199
use something like that, because again, this is coming from

1391
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,439
down Under. Well no, that sounds like I'm talking about Australia.

1392
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,239
That is like, this is this is coming from the

1393
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:57,119
nether world. You know, this stuff is as we said,

1394
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:59,600
it's a it's a perversion of the gospel that that

1395
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:04,319
say has has foisted on humanity. And so it makes

1396
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:04,960
sense well, And the.

1397
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 4: Idea that you can get power from any blood other

1398
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:14,119
than the blood of Jesus, that's such a typical Satan

1399
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,640
lie to make you think that you can get power

1400
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:21,680
of your own volition through taking advantage of other people

1401
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,920
or whatever, that humanity is enough to get to the

1402
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,760
kind of power that really it only comes through the

1403
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:29,680
blood of Jesus.

1404
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we come to the final part of this

1405
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:39,119
four parter and again lots of character development with Jake

1406
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:42,760
throughout this, but a whole lot in the last part.

1407
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:49,000
And we have another great conversation with phil as pastor

1408
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,680
Omac and it's sort of kind of a mirror of

1409
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,039
the conversation they had in the hotel room in Unidentified

1410
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:00,039
but this time he's talking with him, just just a

1411
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:04,199
frank conversation with his pastor and I love that. And

1412
01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:08,199
he's talking about violence versus non violence and when it's

1413
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:10,159
appropriate and those kind of things. And he's trying to

1414
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:14,119
tell Jake or illustrate to him, maybe you're not handling

1415
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:17,199
this super well. You know, you need to check yourself,

1416
01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:20,560
look in at how you're handling things. And he didn't

1417
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,079
just he wasn't like Nathan looking at David and saying

1418
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:27,840
you're the man, you know, but he was saying in

1419
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,119
a roundabout way, there's a better way to handle this.

1420
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:32,159
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1421
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,079
Speaker 4: I think Frank is a little soft. I think he

1422
01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:37,119
was pretty blunt. And I actually wrote down tense Conversation

1423
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:40,319
with the Pastor because I felt like he was very,

1424
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:41,920
very forthright.

1425
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean, he wasn't beating around

1426
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,239
the bush, but he wasn't I don't know. I didn't

1427
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:51,560
feel like he was doing it in a way that

1428
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,920
would sound like overly accusatory and make Jake be defensive

1429
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:56,760
or anything like that.

1430
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,159
Speaker 1: I don't know. I am glad you probably have of

1431
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:01,720
a would handle.

1432
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,319
Speaker 4: That conversation better than I would have, because I felt

1433
01:12:04,319 --> 01:12:11,800
defensive just listening, all right, all right, But I.

1434
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: Think those those moments are really cool, and I'm glad

1435
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,800
that Darby is writing those sorts of things into these shows.

1436
01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did. I did make no of the.

1437
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,239
Speaker 4: They I'm glad that conversation was there because there were

1438
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:29,800
some things that needed to be dealt with with how

1439
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,239
Jake had handled situations earlier in the drama and it

1440
01:12:33,279 --> 01:12:35,840
wasn't appropriate and it was uncomfortable, and it was important

1441
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:36,840
that that get addressed.

1442
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: So I'm yeah, I'm glad that conversation was there.

1443
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have another character and I won't spoil

1444
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,479
exactly what happens in this scene, but it's just a

1445
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:52,199
really interesting little twist. I know that's super vague, but

1446
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:55,239
he's only in one scene, but he has this interaction

1447
01:12:55,319 --> 01:12:58,840
with Jake and it's just like a really really cool

1448
01:12:58,880 --> 01:12:59,359
little thing.

1449
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: Oh, I think I just got what you were talking about.

1450
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 2: You'll know it when you get to it. It's in

1451
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,439
episode four, and it's really cool.

1452
01:13:08,119 --> 01:13:11,560
Speaker 1: Is this a cameo of someone we yeah? Yeah, okay,

1453
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:12,640
yeah yeah.

1454
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,079
Speaker 2: But you know, we've mentioned several different sound design moments

1455
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:20,520
all throughout and it's really well done. But I mean,

1456
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,399
we have some big moments, like a car crash scene

1457
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:27,520
and that that combat flashback scene, and then we have

1458
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,439
this this I'm gonna call the final confrontation scene in

1459
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:38,399
episode four. There's just I mean, Micah is painting with

1460
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,680
audio in these scenes, like there's layer upon layer and

1461
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,319
there's all this stuff going, but it doesn't sound busy,

1462
01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:47,880
it sounds real. It's doing what it needs to do

1463
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:50,960
to tell the story. And all of those big moments

1464
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:57,159
are fantastic, but even the mundane moments, the just the

1465
01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:02,319
daily life moments there all super immersive as well. It's

1466
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,960
just really really well done.

1467
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,279
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I agree with that.

1468
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,319
Speaker 2: He threw a couple of other little tidbits at me

1469
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:16,279
about the sound designer. Overall, there are over three thousand

1470
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:21,319
pieces of audio in the project file or the session

1471
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:26,159
for this audio drama, over three thousand audio files, and

1472
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,760
he said that he likes to use intercoms and things

1473
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,039
like that to help set the scene, sometimes in airports

1474
01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:37,960
or hospitals and things like that. So in one scene,

1475
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,640
in the hospital scene, we have the scene opening up

1476
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,319
with doctor making an announcement like that's a cool way

1477
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,600
without putting in the dialogue exactly what's going on. It's

1478
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,720
a really good way to help tell story in audio

1479
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,640
drama is to use those sorts of things. It's really smart.

1480
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,800
But one of the cool things in this particular case

1481
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,880
is that one of the voices there are coming over

1482
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:03,920
the intercom was Mike's wife. He texted her, can you

1483
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,479
record this real quick on your phone? And so she recorded,

1484
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:08,760
like he said, she was probably in the kitchen or

1485
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,880
something on her iPhone with a voice memo and sent

1486
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,880
it to him and he used that to as the

1487
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,680
voice of a doctor making an announcement over the intercom

1488
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:18,319
in the hospital.

1489
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:22,319
Speaker 1: That's cool, Yeah, I'm ready. He shared those tidbits with you.

1490
01:15:22,399 --> 01:15:23,640
Those are so interesting.

1491
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this kind of stuff. And he also

1492
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,279
sent me the song that's playing on the radio in

1493
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:32,000
the background of that furniture store scene too.

1494
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:36,279
Speaker 1: It's like, really that stuff is that he pulled from somewhere?

1495
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:39,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, he sourced it. It's not like a well known

1496
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:41,840
like top forty hit or any kind of anything like that.

1497
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:46,520
It's probably a royalty free thing. And it's fun to

1498
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,960
work those sorts of things in because I mean, most

1499
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:54,399
places of business have a radio playing, and so you

1500
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:55,880
have to use that kind of stuff. But you can't

1501
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,279
go pull, you know, your favorite song up from your

1502
01:15:59,279 --> 01:16:01,079
favorite artist and use that kind of stuff. You can't

1503
01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:04,279
get the licensing for that. It is crazy. Now. I

1504
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:07,199
know that's common to do in film and TV. They

1505
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:10,199
do that then they license those, but for these kinds

1506
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:14,000
of projects, you know, it's not feasible, and so doing

1507
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,239
that kind of stuff is great, and so I mean,

1508
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:18,640
I've done the same thing with some of the projects

1509
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,720
I've worked on with One day in Aspen Creek, I

1510
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,840
found a song that sounds like a normal pop single

1511
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,439
from you know, the top forty radio station, but it's

1512
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,479
a royalty free from an artist that puts out their

1513
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,720
music for free and then you can use it. So

1514
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,800
I've done that before. And then another time I used

1515
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,720
a song that Christopher Green wrote and recorded as just

1516
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,960
a project for himself, and I got his permission to

1517
01:16:44,039 --> 01:16:46,119
use that as a song. So if you listen really

1518
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:50,359
closely to the radio that's playing in the background, you'll

1519
01:16:50,399 --> 01:16:54,399
hear his song. And another thing I did this is

1520
01:16:54,399 --> 01:16:57,640
a little bit of a sidetrack again, but in one

1521
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,760
scene in one of my Aspen Tree episodes, I didn't

1522
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,159
want to just have one song plaguing the whole time,

1523
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:07,000
because you can do that, and there's nothing wrong with

1524
01:17:07,039 --> 01:17:09,119
doing that, but I thought it would be interesting to

1525
01:17:10,039 --> 01:17:12,680
in the background we have a part of a song

1526
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,960
and then it ends, and then the DJ comes on

1527
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:16,560
and makes an announcement, and then it goes into the

1528
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,039
next song. So I have that whole sequence and then

1529
01:17:19,079 --> 01:17:22,279
I actually voiced the DJ as well, so it's way

1530
01:17:22,279 --> 01:17:24,359
back in the mix and you can't hear you know

1531
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:27,520
who it is or anything like that. But anyway, it's

1532
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,359
fun those little behind the scenes things.

1533
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:30,239
Speaker 1: I like that.

1534
01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that it just gives it lends so much more

1535
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,239
realism in things that you might say, well, who's going

1536
01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:39,039
to notice that, but it just it puts you there

1537
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:40,920
in the scene and it makes a difference.

1538
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Like I didn't.

1539
01:17:44,039 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 4: Really think about the song playing over the intercom at

1540
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,520
the furniture store, but it felt like a there at

1541
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,840
an actual furniture store, and that's why, you know, though,

1542
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,720
I wasn't really thinking about the song itself, you.

1543
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,039
Speaker 2: Know, and if it hadn't been there, it might have

1544
01:17:56,119 --> 01:17:57,760
sounded weird or awkward.

1545
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's cool.

1546
01:18:01,399 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 2: Well, we're about to the end, and again we're not

1547
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:07,159
gonna spoil any of the climax of the story, and

1548
01:18:07,319 --> 01:18:09,840
and there's some really cool things that happen. But I

1549
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:11,640
do want to mention one of the things that that

1550
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:16,079
Ari says to Jake at one point, and she says,

1551
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:19,319
you know, demons exist to make us look like fools.

1552
01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:20,720
She said, did you think he was going to take

1553
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,079
it easy on you, and I was like, man, that's

1554
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,880
that's a really good line there, you know. Yeah, I

1555
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,720
liked that. You know, she's like the devil wasn't messing.

1556
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 4: Around, right, Yeah, yeah, a lot of the spiritual warfare elements.

1557
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,800
It reminded me of some of the things that were

1558
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,840
played out in like The Father Gilbert, that air radio drama. Yeah,

1559
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,079
definitely different storyline, different, you know, lots of differences, but

1560
01:18:43,079 --> 01:18:45,880
there were a couple of elements that made me think

1561
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,439
of that because that's another another one where it's dealing

1562
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:49,319
with the demonic and.

1563
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and Darby has even said that, you know,

1564
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,439
he's inspired a lot by what Paul McCusker did with

1565
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,680
the Thunder Gilbert stories. So they were they were wanting

1566
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,640
to make something they had that same kind of feel

1567
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,319
but in a completely different setting.

1568
01:19:04,079 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and they they handled it differently, but yeah,

1569
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:08,920
it did have that field.

1570
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: I did notice that. And this doesn't really fit right here.

1571
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,079
Speaker 4: But I I was gonna say this back when we

1572
01:19:17,079 --> 01:19:19,479
were talking about Micah, but I wanted to shout out

1573
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:24,039
another influence he's had on these dramas is his Louisiana knowledge,

1574
01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:27,640
and he referenced Boudan, which before I'm married to a

1575
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,920
Louisiana girls, so I wouldn't have known what that was before.

1576
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:32,920
But we have stopped at Billy's gas station for some

1577
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,319
boot An balls and they're delicious and I don't want

1578
01:19:35,319 --> 01:19:38,520
to know what's in them, but I just appreciate that

1579
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,720
reference to the threre in there.

1580
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the Louisiana influences are very strong in the

1581
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,640
next one, undhead for yeah.

1582
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,319
Speaker 1: Because it does it take place in Louisiana.

1583
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,279
Speaker 4: Yep, Oh okay, yeah, I haven't heard it yet, so

1584
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,560
I'm curious what my wife will say. And then of

1585
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:01,239
course we should have mentioned that there was a familiar

1586
01:20:01,319 --> 01:20:04,079
voice right at the end that I wasn't expecting, but

1587
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:09,680
brilliant vocal talent by the bystander, which really should you know,

1588
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,079
be top of the chart here and we just read

1589
01:20:12,199 --> 01:20:16,119
to give top billing to JD the bystander.

1590
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was such a privilege to get to be

1591
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:21,680
involved in this project.

1592
01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I laughed, I cried and moved.

1593
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:32,199
Speaker 2: Me And how cool to get to hear my name

1594
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:34,239
is spoken in the credits by Chris Fabry. I mean

1595
01:20:34,399 --> 01:20:35,159
that was pretty cool.

1596
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 1: That is cool. That is cool.

1597
01:20:37,279 --> 01:20:42,039
Speaker 4: I one other vocal thing. I didn't notice the character

1598
01:20:42,039 --> 01:20:45,960
of Stayne who voiced it in the credits, but it

1599
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,439
reminded me of the voice for one of the villains

1600
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:51,760
in the Jonathan Park, one of the Jonathan Park albums

1601
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,279
that we I think it had to be the same guy,

1602
01:20:54,359 --> 01:20:56,119
but was it? And I was thinking it was Nato Jacobson,

1603
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,399
but I didn't see his name in the credits, so

1604
01:20:58,439 --> 01:20:59,479
maybe it was Jonathan Cook.

1605
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:04,119
Speaker 1: No, it was Josh Murray really the voice stay saying.

1606
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:06,960
But so then that wouldn't been the same actor.

1607
01:21:07,039 --> 01:21:09,079
Speaker 2: Right from now, he's been in at Vinum and I

1608
01:21:09,119 --> 01:21:11,239
think he's been in some of the Jonathan Park as well,

1609
01:21:11,359 --> 01:21:14,279
So I don't know which you're thinking of. It very

1610
01:21:14,279 --> 01:21:16,239
well could have been I'm not sure, but it could

1611
01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:16,520
have been.

1612
01:21:17,079 --> 01:21:19,560
Speaker 4: I remember the there was some albums where they were

1613
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:23,239
going to like Athens and then to Israel, and they

1614
01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:25,000
were it was like it had something to do with

1615
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,960
all these different religions. Yeah, that they were interacting with

1616
01:21:28,199 --> 01:21:29,560
and there was a bad guy with like a really

1617
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:30,439
goofy henchman.

1618
01:21:31,239 --> 01:21:32,079
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, they were.

1619
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,039
Speaker 4: Both there were they were kind of like more comical

1620
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:36,800
and this was definitely not comical. But I kept hearing

1621
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,439
that vocal. There's certain vocal signatures that I'll pick it

1622
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,399
up that I remembered from that that other character. So

1623
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:45,560
I don't know if it's the same actor.

1624
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:47,079
Speaker 2: I can't remember off the top of my head if

1625
01:21:47,079 --> 01:21:48,640
that was him or not, but it could have been,

1626
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,479
because he's definitely done some stuff for Wise King Media.

1627
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:56,800
But Yeah, just a fantastic performance here in this show,

1628
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:03,560
Like wow, I mean, he has the more regular interactions

1629
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,359
in some places where it's just I mean, he's creepy

1630
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:10,520
all throughout. He's got a sinister feel to the character

1631
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:16,279
the entire time, but at the end here when everything

1632
01:22:16,359 --> 01:22:21,000
kind of goes crazy. Man, just a fantastic job.

1633
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:22,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1634
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,239
Speaker 2: And Halean Haylen Haylean. I forget exactly how it was pronounced.

1635
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 4: Well, they kind of played with that, like where they

1636
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,439
were some characters were saying Halon and then the guy

1637
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,960
who knew him was like Halen. Like I feel like

1638
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,159
they were intentionally played with the pronunciation of his name.

1639
01:22:36,319 --> 01:22:39,399
Speaker 2: He was played by Jonathan Bullock and he did a

1640
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:43,760
great job too. Seaver was played by Jonathan Cook and

1641
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,960
so we had a really really great cast of actors.

1642
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,479
I mean, the talent that they've been working with is

1643
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,079
so good. And we also have Andy Harvey and John Fornoff,

1644
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:59,640
Randy Strew, just some great, great voice artists in this production.

1645
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,600
Amy Lily is in here again she was in the

1646
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,960
first one, and just a brief scene again here, just

1647
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,600
a very brief scene as well, but just some super

1648
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:15,720
talented people and they all gave amazing performances. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

1649
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,439
speaking of the pronunciation of names, this was something I

1650
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,680
picked up in the first one, and that was with

1651
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,560
the name of Ariana. And I can't remember exactly because

1652
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:30,319
I haven't listened to Unidentified recently, but there were some

1653
01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:33,640
people that were saying Ariana and others were saying Ariana.

1654
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,680
And I think it's supposed to be Ariana because that's

1655
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,399
the most common pronunciation. And in this one, I think

1656
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,760
pretty much everybody says Ariana except for Chris Fabr at

1657
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,960
the end in the credits, he says ariana.

1658
01:23:47,119 --> 01:23:52,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, well he doesn't know where personally, so.

1659
01:23:53,119 --> 01:23:55,039
Speaker 2: But I also really liked the wrap up at the

1660
01:23:55,159 --> 01:24:00,840
end by Darby kind of the Chris of Jaco Muller Adventures.

1661
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this one felt like it had more of

1662
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,920
like the first one. Definitely felt like it ended more

1663
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:08,960
on a cliffhanger where things weren't wrapped up and it's

1664
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,479
still like unclear you know, where things are going, And

1665
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,159
this one felt like it though obviously there's still a

1666
01:24:14,199 --> 01:24:16,079
through line, but it felt like it kind of wrapped

1667
01:24:16,079 --> 01:24:19,279
it up a little bit neater, you know, with the

1668
01:24:19,319 --> 01:24:23,399
expectation that there's more adventures coming. But like, I don't

1669
01:24:23,399 --> 01:24:25,800
know if I'm making sense, but it just seemed like

1670
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,239
it came to a conclusion.

1671
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 2: You know. This app Yeah, a little bit more resolution

1672
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:31,279
this time around.

1673
01:24:31,359 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Resolution, that's a good word for it.

1674
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you mentioned this at the top. But the

1675
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:39,479
study guide, it's a thirty six page study guide, and

1676
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:43,399
it's broken down into sections by episode and then by scene,

1677
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,680
and each section has three parts. We have Listening Well,

1678
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,479
which is like comprehension questions. We have Thinking Further, which

1679
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,319
are discussion questions with lots of scripture references. I mean,

1680
01:24:53,359 --> 01:24:56,640
there's a ton of scripture that's mentioned there. And then

1681
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,079
we have a section called Defining Words, and so it's

1682
01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:01,920
like a list of and terms that might need explanation.

1683
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,159
And then this is followed by three short Bible studies

1684
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:09,199
on some relevant topics. And then there's also a place

1685
01:25:09,239 --> 01:25:12,760
for notes, so that is a really good resource. It

1686
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,199
might be something if you are homeschooling, maybe for your

1687
01:25:16,279 --> 01:25:21,119
high school age kids, this would be a great resource.

1688
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,239
They have a digital version and a print version of

1689
01:25:24,279 --> 01:25:28,279
this study guide, So I think it's a fantastic tool.

1690
01:25:28,319 --> 01:25:32,119
It's done really well. It looks really good too, Like

1691
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:34,920
it's easy to throw together a PDF and just put

1692
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,520
some information in it, but this is actually formatted and

1693
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,800
designed really well as well. So I think that is

1694
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:46,159
definitely a bonus and really good stuff there to help

1695
01:25:46,319 --> 01:25:50,840
prompt discussion and kind of dig into some of the themes

1696
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,359
and some of the actions of some of the characters

1697
01:25:53,399 --> 01:25:56,800
and why they're doing. Even the thing that you talked about,

1698
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,239
how we have this conversation between Nate and Jake about

1699
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:04,560
Nate not being a Christian, but then later on he's

1700
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,840
working very closely with Kevin, who is not a Christian,

1701
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,760
And that's actually brought up in the study guide. So

1702
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,359
here's an example of one of them. It says, Jake

1703
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,000
knows he's in a spiritual battle. Why do you suppose

1704
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,359
he relies so much, almost exclusively on O'Hare, who isn't

1705
01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:21,439
even a Christian. So that's one of the things that

1706
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:22,079
is in there.

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01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, tell me, I'm confused by that.

1708
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 2: So Jake Muller Adventures Number two Blood. It's an amazingly

1709
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:40,359
well done audio drama. Sound design music by Jered de Pesqual, fantastic.

1710
01:26:41,319 --> 01:26:44,279
The actors all did a great job, the script is

1711
01:26:44,399 --> 01:26:49,479
well written, it's fantastic. And then we have number three Undead,

1712
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,439
which is out already if you haven't heard it, that's

1713
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:56,159
already available. And then number four is called Engineered. It's

1714
01:26:56,199 --> 01:26:59,960
coming very soon, possibly in May so on just next month.

1715
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:04,119
So Jake Mallard Adventures, they're putting them out there and

1716
01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:07,119
they're doing a really, really good job. Again, if you

1717
01:27:07,159 --> 01:27:10,399
haven't heard Unidentified yet, you'll want to go listen to

1718
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,119
that first, and I would say go buy it to

1719
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:17,800
support the producers so you can actually help fund future shows.

1720
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:20,600
But if you can't swing both of these right now

1721
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,520
and you want to get Blood, you can go and

1722
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,239
listen to Unidentified on Drama PHI. So link is in

1723
01:27:25,279 --> 01:27:27,239
the show notes to listen to that. You can listen

1724
01:27:27,279 --> 01:27:30,359
to it on the free tier of Drama PI, the

1725
01:27:30,399 --> 01:27:33,560
ad supported version, and then you can pop over and

1726
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,800
get a copy of blood if you need to. But

1727
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:40,439
my final thoughts, I'm loving what they're doing. We've said

1728
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,880
it before on the show. We need more audio drama

1729
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:48,760
for adults and older teens that's still clean and has

1730
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:53,239
a good, moral, wholesome message to it, and that's what

1731
01:27:53,239 --> 01:27:56,159
they're doing with the show, and I'm here for it.

1732
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1733
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 4: If you like thriller and like supernatural themes, then I

1734
01:28:01,039 --> 01:28:01,920
think you'll enjoy this.

1735
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:06,279
Speaker 2: You talked about referencing the Father Gilbert stuff, but it's

1736
01:28:06,319 --> 01:28:09,840
also like kind of feels if we're looking at books,

1737
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,119
it feels a little Frank Peretti or Ted Decker as well.

1738
01:28:13,199 --> 01:28:14,800
So it's it's got a lot of these sort of

1739
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,560
themes that some of these other writers have addressed in

1740
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:23,279
other ways, but they're doing some really cool stuff. So yes,

1741
01:28:23,319 --> 01:28:27,199
I highly recommend this for the older listeners. And talking

1742
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:31,399
about spiritual warfare, there's a connection that you have in

1743
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,840
a story that you've written to spiritual warfare. Oh yeah,

1744
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,399
so tell the listener a little bit about Darkened Eyes.

1745
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was It's a novel that I wrote

1746
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:46,960
and published and it's available on Amazon and well anywhere

1747
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:47,720
you can get.

1748
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,319
Speaker 1: Books, I suppose where good books are sold at all

1749
01:28:50,319 --> 01:28:55,319
bookstores for although you may have to request it. I

1750
01:28:55,359 --> 01:28:57,159
don't know if there's stocking in everywhere.

1751
01:28:57,359 --> 01:29:00,520
Speaker 4: But it was born out of the group that I

1752
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,079
was part of, which was really into the skater culture

1753
01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:06,600
at the time, and so my main character is a skater,

1754
01:29:07,119 --> 01:29:10,000
but there's a lot of spiritual warfare elements in that

1755
01:29:10,079 --> 01:29:10,680
story as well.

1756
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,199
Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks for plugging that, JD.

1757
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 2: You bet. Yeah, it's it's a it's a great book,

1758
01:29:15,399 --> 01:29:18,920
and it's kind of tackling some similar issues, obviously not

1759
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:24,399
from the vamporism sort of angle, but definitely has spiritual

1760
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:29,439
warfare elements and even more overtly though I would say.

1761
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. The theme is like the battle

1762
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,399
over over a person's soul that's happening in the And

1763
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,840
also JD actually made a book trailer for me where

1764
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,720
he voices some of the supernatural characters.

1765
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

1766
01:29:43,279 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 4: In one of the scenes, he reads a section of

1767
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,560
the scene and he put music and he put vocal effects,

1768
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,359
and that's it's really cool and I think I believe

1769
01:29:51,399 --> 01:29:54,079
I have it hosted on my website if anybody wants

1770
01:29:54,119 --> 01:29:58,239
to hear it, which is Michael Schrader Author dot com

1771
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,520
and Traders spelled like Schroeder, just to make so that

1772
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,239
nobody can ever actually find it. But the link who's

1773
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:05,000
in the show notes right.

1774
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 2: Gee, yes it is, Yes, it is okay. And also

1775
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,319
speaking of links in the show notes, there's also a

1776
01:30:09,399 --> 01:30:13,239
link to an episode of the lamp Ladder podcast Fastened

1777
01:30:13,279 --> 01:30:15,439
like Nails. Because you were just a guest on that

1778
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,960
show talking with Mark Camby. Give a little pitch for

1779
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:19,600
that real quick.

1780
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was super fun and a very different kind

1781
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:26,640
of conversation. But we were talking about something that I

1782
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:28,399
found as I was studying in the Psalms. Were doing

1783
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:30,760
a Psalm's Bible study. Me and my wife had been

1784
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,000
studying it, and it has to do with the structure

1785
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,439
of how the Bible's written. Mark Camby loves talking about

1786
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:38,640
not just what the Bible says, but how it says it,

1787
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:42,640
and talks about like the way that Biblical poetry works

1788
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:45,760
and with across sticks and chiasms and things like that.

1789
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,359
And I found something that I hadn't heard anybody talk

1790
01:30:48,359 --> 01:30:51,560
about it, and I've had lots of conversations with him

1791
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,239
about things like that. So I sent him an email

1792
01:30:54,279 --> 01:30:55,359
and I said, Hey, what do you think of this?

1793
01:30:55,399 --> 01:30:57,279
And he said, why don't you come on the podcast

1794
01:30:57,279 --> 01:30:59,760
to talk about it? So that was really cool of

1795
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,119
them to have me on. And it was a really

1796
01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:02,880
fun conversation.

1797
01:31:03,279 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, really interesting if you like digging into the scriptures,

1798
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,199
it was a really interesting conversation. So that is also

1799
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:13,680
linked in the show notes. Any final thoughts on Jake

1800
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,119
mueller Adventures.

1801
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:18,279
Speaker 4: Blood No, yeah, thank you for bringing me on to

1802
01:31:18,279 --> 01:31:20,840
talk about it. I was it's exciting that they're putting

1803
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:21,199
these out.

1804
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, no profound words to wrap this up, but

1805
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:29,399
I think if this has peaked your interest at all,

1806
01:31:30,039 --> 01:31:32,079
if you haven't heard it yet linked in the show notes,

1807
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:34,600
go in and get your copy. It's available on CD

1808
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,439
or as a digital download. I think it's worth your time.

1809
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:39,119
Speaker 1: You're here.

1810
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:43,199
Speaker 5: Let's see what do we have in the mailbag?

1811
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: It looks like letters or something.

1812
01:31:46,079 --> 01:31:47,039
Speaker 2: Is that your phone?

1813
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:53,319
Speaker 1: Yeah? Hello, I just sent you a text. You've got

1814
01:31:53,359 --> 01:31:57,000
tons of comments on that entry. You're like famous. Oh,

1815
01:31:57,079 --> 01:31:58,399
let me get to these comments.

1816
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,560
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, what nuver you calling?

1817
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 2: Yes, it is that time of the episode to hear

1818
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,880
from you. If you would like to get in touch

1819
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,199
with us, you can send your emails to feedback at

1820
01:32:08,279 --> 01:32:11,520
audiotheatercentral dot com. You can always comment on the show

1821
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,560
notes of each episode, or you can send a text

1822
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,520
or leave a voicemail at our feedback line which is

1823
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:21,359
six three six eight eight two seven seven zero Again

1824
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:27,520
six three six eight eight two seven seven zero. Well,

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01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,560
first up is a comment from Abby. She commented on

1826
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,760
our post ranking all the patch the Pirate Adventures that

1827
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,720
had been published up to that point when this was

1828
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,920
published a couple of years ago, written by Austin Peache.

1829
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:42,840
But she left a comment saying, loved this article and

1830
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:45,520
I've read it multiple times. Fun to relive some of

1831
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,840
the nostalgia, and I'm excited to listen to the ones.

1832
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,199
I haven't. Probably stopped listening after Pleasure Island because I

1833
01:32:51,239 --> 01:32:54,439
grew up, but now I have kids. Great writing and

1834
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:58,079
great reviews. Well, thank you so much Abby for the comment.

1835
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:01,439
Really appreciate that. Love to hear that she enjoyed it

1836
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:04,840
so much that she read it multiple times, And just

1837
01:33:05,039 --> 01:33:07,439
want to drop this in here. If you haven't checked

1838
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,239
out our website, there are years of great articles like

1839
01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:13,920
this one that you can check out. And if you're

1840
01:33:14,119 --> 01:33:17,279
only a listener to the podcast, thank you for listening.

1841
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,239
But to be sure to hop over to the website

1842
01:33:19,239 --> 01:33:21,000
every now and again and see all of the great

1843
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:24,479
content we've got there as well. Next up is a

1844
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,840
comment from Grayson on episode two twenty six, the previous

1845
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,640
episode where we reviewed Adventures not Odyssey number seventy seven

1846
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,279
a new perspective. He says, I was thinking when one

1847
01:33:35,319 --> 01:33:38,279
of you guys mentioned that episode nine eighty eight, the

1848
01:33:38,319 --> 01:33:42,039
Heavens Declare and the Truth Chronicles are similar to Jonathan Park,

1849
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,760
except that Jonathan Park has more action in them. I

1850
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:47,880
was thinking of the Jonathan Park episode where they get

1851
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,880
trapped in a supposedly haunted house which they should be

1852
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,600
trying to escape from, but they interrupt that plot with

1853
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:56,520
the lesson, which is why I prefer how Odyssey does it.

1854
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,399
But I do agree that episode nine eighty eight is

1855
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,840
not the most exciting episode. I also don't remember if

1856
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:04,680
they ever mentioned Zoe's age on the show, but I

1857
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,800
always pictured Jay and Zoe around the same age. I

1858
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:11,840
also didn't notice the garage door opening sound, so that's cool. Yeah,

1859
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,920
that is an interesting point. I've heard from a lot

1860
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,279
of different people about Jonathan Park. Some people that grew

1861
01:34:16,359 --> 01:34:18,840
up with that show and absolutely love it. They really

1862
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,560
like the way that there was a lot of teaching,

1863
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:25,079
a lot of apologetics worked into the stories, and others

1864
01:34:25,119 --> 01:34:28,119
who thought it did interrupt the story a little bit. So,

1865
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,039
you know, I guess it just depends on what you're

1866
01:34:31,119 --> 01:34:34,239
used to and if that really is the main point

1867
01:34:34,279 --> 01:34:36,560
of the show is to teach a lesson, then I

1868
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,560
guess it makes sense to use that route. But the

1869
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,920
particular volume that you mentioned there, Grayson, that is a

1870
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,279
really interesting point. It's a good example of it, because, yeah,

1871
01:34:46,319 --> 01:34:48,720
that is overall there's a lot of action going on,

1872
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:53,199
but yeah, it's interesting. There are different ways to do this,

1873
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,960
and it really just depends on the goal of the production,

1874
01:34:57,079 --> 01:34:59,720
what you're trying to do with the story. Are you

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trying to to tell a good story that illustrates a

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lesson or are you trying to teach a lesson and

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using story and characters as just the vehicle or the

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method to do teaching. So, you know, again, it depends

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on the purpose, and there are different ways of approaching it.

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I personally typically prefer the method that is not quite

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so overt, But to each their own, so I guess

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it's great that we have options that do both to

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cater to different people's tastes and about the ages of

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Jay and Zoe on Odyssey. Yeah, I don't know if

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the ages have ever been explicitly stated. This is probably

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something that has been addressed on the official podcast. People

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ask questions like this a lot, and I think I

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remember them talking about which grades these kids are in

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at school, but I don't remember the specifics off of

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the top of my head right now, but I think

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they are pretty close in age. Grayson also says I

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was wondering, after you guys review album eighty rewritten, will

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you guys review the AIO club exclusive mainstream albums? Yes,

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And just to clarify, there aren't going to be really

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mainstream albums anymore. It's just going to be everything is

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just going to be episodes of Odyssey. There's only going

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there's not going to be mainstream versus club. But I

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know what you're saying there and now what you're asking,

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and yes, we will continue to review episodes. I don't

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know exactly how we're going to do that. We have

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been in discussions about how we're going to approach this

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going forward. So if you have a preference, should we

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still keep doing six episodes at a time, Should we

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go back to doing twelve like we did when the

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albums were released, twelve at a time. Should we do

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three at a time or should we keep it flexible

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depending on how the episodes get released, because sometimes there

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might be a three or four parter, you know that

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that might end in the middle of the next six

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episode chunk or whatever, So it's gonna be a little

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bit confusing. We're still trying to figure all that out,

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but yes, we will be reviewing those episodes going forward.

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Thanks for the questions and the feedback, Grayson and Abby.

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Well that's going to do it for this episode. Thanks

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to Michael for joining me for the review segment. And

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talked about in this episode are going to be there

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for listening. Audio Theater Central is a production of Porchlit

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