WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:05.679 Hudson River Radio dot Com. 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:09.359 This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO 3 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:16.559 Headquarters BEAUTIFU Headquarters. 4 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:25.120 Well, good evening, everybody, and Linda, I'm gonna try to 5 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:34.520 mimic that Welcome to Headquarters, UFO Headquarters Placement, and welcome 6 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:38.039 everybody to another episode of UFO Headquarters here with Michael 7 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:43.840 Warden and Linda Zimmerman. And Linda is is gonna ambush 8 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.479 us again tonight, but she says I'm gonna be outraged 9 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:50.079 during this one, So I'm ready. My outrage meter is 10 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:51.799 is finely tuned at the moment. 11 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:56.359 Yes, because this is a somewhat famous case that I 12 00:00:56.399 --> 00:01:01.159 admit I didn't know all the backstory on what happened 13 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:07.000 to these witnesses who happen to be sheriff's deputies and cops. 14 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:13.680 So we have numerous law enforcement officers who are treated 15 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.519 appallingly at the end of this. So I assume you 16 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:22.040 and Brian will have some outrage going here. 17 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:24.840 So let's dive right in. 18 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:27.239 I have I have a lot to talk about with 19 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:33.519 this case. We are going back to April seventeenth, nineteen 20 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:39.480 sixty six, near south of Ravenna, Ohio. It's five oh 21 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:44.680 seven am. I checked sunrise. Sunrise didn't rise till five 22 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:48.879 point fifteen, so it's those pre dawn hours. There are 23 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:55.000 two deputy sheriffs in patrol car number thirteen. Unlucky thirteen. 24 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:56.079 What a lucky number? 25 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:06.280 Right, Dale Spore spell that spaur he served. He had 26 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:11.400 previously served in the Air Force, so very familiar with aircraft. 27 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:16.879 And the other deputy sheriff in the car was Wilbur Neff, 28 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:25.319 whose nickname was Barney, probably from a popular television show. 29 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:30.039 They're driving east, so if people want to open a 30 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:33.400 map while we're talking about this or look later. They're 31 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:38.840 going east on US two twenty four, which is south 32 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:43.599 of Ravenna. On the side of the road, they stop 33 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:47.680 because it looks to be an abandoned car. It's five 34 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:50.840 o'clock in the morning. There's a car with no driver. 35 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:53.879 They get out to look at it. It's a red 36 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:58.800 and white nineteen fifty nine Ford Sedan. There's no one 37 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:04.360 in there. It's very odd because it's filled with walkie 38 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:10.360 talkies and rady all kinds of radio equipment. What's up 39 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.360 with that and why would you leave that on the 40 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:19.080 side of the road. You know in the car who knows. 41 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:24.680 So it gets even stranger with this car. There is 42 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.599 an insignia on the car of a triangle with a 43 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:36.280 lightning bolt, and above that are the words seven steps 44 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:44.800 to Hell. I mean, some weird person who collects audio 45 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:49.199 equipment just abandons his car. I can skip ahead a little. 46 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:54.479 Police searched for this car for over a year and 47 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:58.360 never found it. It was gone later on, no info, 48 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:02.120 And this car got a lot of publicity. This incident 49 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:06.319 went across the country. And you're telling me no one 50 00:04:06.960 --> 00:04:10.599 could identify a red and white fifty nine Ford Sedan 51 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:15.599 with the word seven steps to hell and this triangle 52 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:19.920 and lightning bolt insignia, right, can't be too many of. 53 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.600 Those that all suck out a little bit? 54 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:28.480 Yes, so all very weird, which really has no bearing 55 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:31.319 on the case, or maybe in some weird way it 56 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:33.879 does because it got them to stop and get out 57 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.319 of the car. And as they're standing there looking at 58 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:42.759 this car, they hear a strange humming sound behind them 59 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:47.439 in the woods, and up out of the trees rises 60 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:54.000 a huge saucer shaped craft with an intense blue white light, 61 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:58.800 And as the light got brighter, the pitch of the 62 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.639 hum increased. I should have asked Brian to give us 63 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:08.040 like an increasing pitch sound, but you get the you know, kid. 64 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:10.800 You're the one with I don't have one. 65 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.120 Oh, okay, I should have. I should have recorded some 66 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:19.680 theoremone sounds. But interesting the brighter it got, and and 67 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:25.160 actually later on uh Dale spor said he he got 68 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:30.439 the impression that the craft was was sitting on this 69 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:35.800 light like it was somehow being propelled, and the brighter 70 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:38.639 the light got, the pitch increased, and the higher the 71 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:45.639 craft got. Just interesting that that was his impression. So 72 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:51.040 the craft unfortunately moves over directly above them and the 73 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:57.040 two cars, and they are bathed in this light, which 74 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.959 usually isn't a good thing for the people under the light. 75 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:02.920 Correct. 76 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:09.519 So Dale and Barney are basically standing there paralyzed. They 77 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:13.199 can't move. The craft is only between fifty and one 78 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:18.399 hundred feet above them. The size of the craft estimated 79 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:23.279 between forty and fifty feet in diameter, about fifteen to 80 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:27.879 twenty feet thick. As I said, it was disk shaped. 81 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:32.399 There was a type of dome on the top and 82 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.439 some sort of an antenna or they thought it was 83 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:41.240 angled kind of angled out the back. So they are 84 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:45.439 bathed in light which they said, kind of had a warm, 85 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:52.319 pleasing heat. We've seen a lot of radiation with these cases, 86 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:55.639 so we really don't want to be bathed in some 87 00:06:55.879 --> 00:07:02.319 side of something, you know, hot. No, it's also so bright. 88 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:08.600 Their eyes are tearing. So picture this, these two deputy 89 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:11.800 sheriffs standing there on the side of the road, a 90 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:16.600 craft of forty fifty feet big. It's like a house 91 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:21.199 about fifty feet above you shot beaming a light down 92 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:22.839 and you are paralyzed. 93 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:24.399 This is. 94 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:29.920 Fascinating, but you really don't want to be in this situation. 95 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.319 No, I'm glad it never happened to year career. 96 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:38.639 So why don't we take a break at this point, 97 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.720 because once we get started, we're not going to want 98 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:42.319 to stop. 99 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:51.040 Hudson River Radio dot com. 100 00:07:51.240 --> 00:08:00.160 Hudson Riverradio dot com. And we're back here staring up 101 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:02.920 and an object in the sky being bathed in very 102 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:08.959 warm DNA destroying light and warm. That's really what ultimately 103 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:10.680 happens with radiation. 104 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.560 Not good, not good at all. 105 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:19.959 No, so Dale desperately wants to get back into the car. 106 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:24.920 He later said, I wanted to get something between me 107 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:28.959 and it, and I do want to point out at 108 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:36.320 no point you can listen to his excellent interview. It's 109 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:41.480 available on YouTube. You should listen to this man clearly, succinctly, 110 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:45.679 calmly explaining what happened. He never calls it a UFO. 111 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:53.480 He calls it the vehicle or it. So he wants 112 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:56.759 to get back into the car, he said, a thought 113 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:01.279 came into his mind that if he touches the car, 114 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:07.399 it will disappear. That's weird, but how many times have 115 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:10.919 we heard witnesses say, well, I went to grab for 116 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.519 my camera, but a thought came in my head, No, 117 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:17.639 you can't photograph it, or it's they're messing with you. 118 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:23.919 They're absolutely messing with your head. So the craft moves away, 119 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.440 just a very short distance, but the light is off 120 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:29.960 of them, and at that moment, it's like the spell 121 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.600 is broken, and the two men instantly at the same 122 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.759 time run to the car and get in. So as 123 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:42.840 nerve racking as this is Dale Radio's the station, and 124 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:48.519 they're saying, other calls are coming in. There's so many witnesses. 125 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.240 In fact, by the end of this night, there will 126 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:57.799 be hundreds of witnesses and numerous police officers. The guy 127 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:02.639 who was on the radio at the station says, shoot it. 128 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:09.600 Okay, okay, I don't know who was that. 129 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.720 Was it a dispatcher or was it a supervisor? I 130 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:13.639 can't imagine. 131 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:15.399 I don't know. 132 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:21.080 But at that moment, Dale gets another strange, powerful feeling 133 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:23.120 like don't shoot it. 134 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:25.159 That was a smart feeling. 135 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:28.799 I'm just imagining whipping out at that time the revolver 136 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.720 and you know, letting shots off at this mysterious object. 137 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:36.120 No, no, it never does. 138 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:40.440 And for those who haven't listened to that episode yet, 139 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.919 we have a whole episode of people shooting at UFOs. 140 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:45.440 I can't recall what it was. 141 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.440 Called, but we have an old people have done it, 142 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.600 and it's usually not a good thing. So then their 143 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:57.240 sergeant gets on the radio, Sergeant Seanfeld, and as the 144 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:01.200 craft is moving away, he orders them to chase it. 145 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:04.879 All right, So if your sergeant is telling you to 146 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:10.879 do something, you do it. You go after it. So 147 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:14.440 the craft takes off and they take off after it. 148 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:16.960 Okay. 149 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:21.440 So again, if you are looking at a map, they 150 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:25.360 are going on two twenty four east to route forty 151 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:30.679 four to west one p eighty three, So you can chart, 152 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.200 and people have drawn the course of the map if 153 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:37.159 you want. You know, some people like driving the path 154 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:40.559 of UFOs. I can't imagine who that would be except 155 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:45.000 maybe me, But it gives you a sense, you know, 156 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:49.440 when you trace the path of these things. So they're 157 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:55.440 continuing eastward toward Pennsylvania, and you know there's on ramps 158 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:59.559 and off ramps and intersections and all this, and they 159 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:03.840 think that we're going to lose this craft because it's 160 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.559 moving about eighty some odd miles per hour. By the 161 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:11.200 time they do this on the connecting highways, they think 162 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:15.840 it would be gone. But pay very close attention to this. 163 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:21.159 The craft would slow down and wait for them to 164 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:21.960 catch up. 165 00:12:23.679 --> 00:12:25.000 Comments. 166 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:29.759 That's like patt and mouse here, Like they're very aware 167 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.919 of what's going on. Like I'll let you get close enough, 168 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:35.879 then I'll get far ahead enough, and then I'll wait again, 169 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.440 like almost like you know that leap frog. But I'm 170 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.759 never going to, like quite let you catch up. Yeah, 171 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:43.559 it'd be a bad sign to me. I think that 172 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:47.639 would be they're messing with us intentionally. They can do 173 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:49.240 what else? What else can they do? 174 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:54.600 Yes, so clearly it's not an intelligent weather balloon, so 175 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:58.159 we can we can knock that right up. 176 00:12:58.200 --> 00:12:59.360 But is it swamp gas? 177 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:03.159 Yeah, yes, it's very intelligent swamp gas waiting for them. 178 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.840 So they're going about eighty three miles an hour and 179 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.519 it increases to one hundred and three miles per hour. 180 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.840 That's those are some dangerous speeds you're you're hitting there now. 181 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:21.600 At the Berlin Reservoir, the craft rose to a height 182 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:26.200 of about five hundred feet and beamed a light down 183 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:31.200 on objects like it seemed fascinated by a crane. So 184 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:39.039 it's clearly checking things out. It's searching. They also made 185 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:43.600 the comment it made this craft made no effort to 186 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:47.879 leave us. Okay, So they're going one hundred and three 187 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:52.759 miles through the town of Unity, Pennsylvania, and the craft 188 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:57.960 again lowers down to look around. So these these are 189 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:04.480 Ohio deputy sheriffs. They've now crossed the line into Pennsylvania. 190 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:09.159 I can't say I haven't crossed the line a few 191 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:12.639 times in the Pennsylvania here, but I worked on the border, so. 192 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:15.320 It was legit chasing a UFO. 193 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:20.120 But I mean to chase it this far at these speeds, 194 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:24.120 I am I just again, I don't know anything about 195 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.600 this story. I can't wait to see what you're going 196 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:27.600 to outrage us with. 197 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:32.000 Yes, So at this point they are joined by a 198 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:36.480 third officer from East Palestine, Ohio. 199 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:38.120 Is that name ring a Bell? 200 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:45.519 That is in twenty twenty three, that enormous toxic train wreck. Yes, yep, 201 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:49.679 that was the town and I looked that up and 202 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.679 they were the town was supposed to get six hundred 203 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:58.240 million dollars in a settlement, but that's under appeal. So 204 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:02.000 these poor people are still way for something after this, 205 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:08.080 all this toxic stuff trashed their town. So anyway, it 206 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:13.799 was patrolman Wayne Houston. So now he's driving like a 207 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.240 bat out of hell chasing this craft as well. So 208 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:23.480 Dale and Barney are advised to break off pursuit now 209 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:28.240 that another officer has taken up the chase. But basically 210 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:32.960 they said hell no, they wanted to identify it, and 211 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:40.600 Dale admitted he was compelled to follow this thing. You know, 212 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:42.960 we've talked to so many people. 213 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:44.720 You are enthralled. 214 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:47.679 You're not going to say, okay, I'm gonna leave and 215 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:48.399 go home now. 216 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:52.399 Yeah, So I wouldn't have. 217 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:54.600 Just for the record, I mean, even if I say, 218 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:56.399 you know, I'm glad he didn't have to encounter it. 219 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.120 I'm pretty sure under the circumstances, I just wouldn't have 220 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:05.200 heard the radio must be a dead zone. Radio dead 221 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:05.720 zone here. 222 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:12.960 Yeah, you're breaking up, don't exactly right. So they continue 223 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:17.240 the chase along with patrolman Wayne Houston. And I should 224 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:21.720 point out at this point that there is chatter all 225 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:28.000 over the radio. Police are seeing this for miles and miles, 226 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:32.919 and they none of Dale Barney and Wayne Houston did 227 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:37.720 not have cameras. Police officers with cameras are driving like 228 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.600 mad trying to catch up so they can photograph. So 229 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:46.360 you can imagine police forces people from all around are 230 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:54.320 trying to converge on this craft. In Rochester, Pennsylvania. There 231 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:55.639 is a maze. 232 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:56.399 They said. 233 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.720 It was like a spider web of bridges and overpasses, 234 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:03.440 and Wayne is directing them how to drive and you know, 235 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.480 go up and around and through. It took them so 236 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:10.880 long to navigate through them. They were sure this time 237 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.720 that the craft was long gone, and the three of 238 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:21.119 them were absolutely shocked, as was Wayne is starting to say, oh, well, 239 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:24.200 it has to be, you know, long gone. He stopped 240 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:28.960 in mid sentence because there was the craft hovering over 241 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.279 the highway waiting for them. 242 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:38.480 Is this very a very intelligent encounter? Yes, this is 243 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:42.559 without the patrol officers even being aware of this intelligence. 244 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:45.000 Yeah, that's kind of creepy. 245 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:45.960 It is. 246 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:50.880 It is majorly creepy. And once they caught up, it 247 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:54.000 took off again and went right back to exactly one 248 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:57.359 hundred and three miles per hour. I guess it figured 249 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.079 that's about as fast as they could safely go. Oh 250 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:09.279 in Freedom, Pennsylvania. Near Freedom in Conway, another police vehicle 251 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:16.839 with Officer Frank Panzanella is sitting there watching the craft. 252 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:22.359 He calls the station and he wants to join in, 253 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:28.119 and as I said, many other patrol cars but they 254 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.519 meet up with Frank Panzanello there. They're all watching. So 255 00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:36.920 now there's four police officers, the craft is slowed down, 256 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:44.920 they're all stopped watching it. This from the time Sergeant 257 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:50.359 Schoenfeld told Dale and Barney to chase it to the 258 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:55.440 time there stopped watching it with Frank Panzanella, they traveled 259 00:18:55.480 --> 00:19:01.640 a distance of eighty six miles in eighty five minutes. 260 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:04.799 That's incredible. 261 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:09.920 Is this one of the most incredible. Uh, you know, 262 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:14.640 we hear about people chasing UFOs, even cops chasing UFOs, 263 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:19.519 But eighty six miles through Ohio and into Pennsylvania. 264 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.160 Yeah, that's just I would not have guessed it was 265 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:24.920 that far if you had asked me to kind of 266 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:26.319 come up with a ballpark number. 267 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.400 Yeah, you kind of get though. They're driving fast. They're 268 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:31.960 gonna go a few miles. 269 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.960 Miles away. No, No, eighty six miles. 270 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:41.359 Eighty six miles of high speed chasing. This is this 271 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.960 is one for the record books. Again, tons of chatter 272 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:49.359 over the radio, and they hear that there are three 273 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.039 They are told over the radio that it has been 274 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:58.680 seen on radar, there's radar contacts, and that three fighter 275 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:04.319 jets have been scrambled to intercept the object. In fact, 276 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:09.720 at least two police officers in Ohio, Lonnie Johnson and 277 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:15.440 Ray Esterly, saw these three fighter jets trying to intercept 278 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:21.240 this object. So we had numerous witnesses to the craft hundreds, 279 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:25.400 and we have numerous witnesses of these three fighter jets 280 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.960 heading trying to intercept the craft. And so the jets 281 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:35.400 are starting to get closer and as they do again 282 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:41.000 we've seen this, the craft shoots straight up until it's 283 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.839 just a point of light. It sat there for a 284 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:47.599 few minutes and then was gone and that's the end 285 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:55.279 of the chase. So one of the most remarkable encounters 286 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:56.839 I can think of. 287 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:03.799 It's like it knew, Okay, now they got whatever these 288 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:05.759 aircraft are, this is bad. 289 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:09.680 Like now I'm leaving right. 290 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:11.559 I can't mess with them the same way I can 291 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:17.519 mess with what's on the ground. I mean, it just 292 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.880 it really goes to like what what was driving this? 293 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:22.920 What type of intelligence is behind this? 294 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:23.519 And why? 295 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:25.160 Yeah? 296 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:26.319 And what was their endgame? 297 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:29.720 Were they going to just keep drawing these cops across 298 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.200 Pennsylvania further? Were they just going to keep going and 299 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:36.079 going and going if they hadn't been intercepted by fighter jets. 300 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:40.720 Yeah, yeah, I it sounds that way. 301 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:41.640 Yeah. 302 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:46.960 But so now you have the story of that night 303 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:52.559 early morning, before we get into all the repercussions. Why 304 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:54.640 don't we take our second break. 305 00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:58.279 This is Hudson River. 306 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:03.839 Radio dot Com. 307 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:13.720 This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. 308 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.960 I just have to touch on something, Linda. You described this. 309 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:25.880 Crazy chase eighty six miles across Ohio into Pennsylvania. This 310 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.279 this object toying with the police on the ground and 311 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:34.559 doesn't really take off and disappear until fighter jets arrive. 312 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.160 But you know, right before the break, you left with 313 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:40.079 a very important word, and that was the repercussions, and 314 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:43.079 Brian and I both know what that means. The boss 315 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:48.880 has got involved. The next day, my heart, I had 316 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:50.400 that heart sink for a moment. 317 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:53.279 I knew exactly what it meant. 318 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:58.119 Yes, and if it was only just the bosses, but 319 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:00.279 wait till you here. 320 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:02.559 They're about to get and explained to me and writing 321 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:04.000 type of message. 322 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:12.079 So when Dale and Barney get back, they everyone describes 323 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:17.960 Dale as being very, very pale, his hands are shaking. 324 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:23.119 He's normally well spoken, and again I urge you to 325 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:30.359 check out his interview on YouTube. He is normally very 326 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:35.680 well spoken. He is stuttering, he's in shock. He just 327 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:39.519 plain in shock. But we're going to get to him 328 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:45.799 later now, Barney, later on he kind of downplays, well, yeah, 329 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:47.119 Dale was upset. 330 00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:49.240 By it, but you know I was fine. Yeah, not 331 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:49.920 so much. 332 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:54.720 His wife jack Lean said, I hope I never see 333 00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:59.039 him like he was after the chase. He was real white, 334 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.839 almost in a state of shock. It was awful, and 335 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:06.960 people made fun of him afterwards. He never talked about 336 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.000 it anymore. Once he told me, if that thing landed 337 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:15.640 in my backyard, I wouldn't tell a soul. He couldn't 338 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:20.720 take it. The ridicule, the stress. He moved to Florida. 339 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:25.000 For years, they couldn't nobody could find out where he was. 340 00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:29.599 He ended up remarrying and someone finally tracked him down 341 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.079 forty years lay in twenty in two thousand and four, 342 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.519 and all he would say was when I left Ohio, Ohio, 343 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:41.559 I got away from it all. So this guy's just 344 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:45.240 sitting in a car, the patrol car. His sergeant tells 345 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:46.160 him to chase it. 346 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:48.599 He does. He makes an. 347 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:53.599 Accurate report of what happened. Remember, hundreds of people saw this, 348 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:57.640 but the pressure on him, so he leaves his career. 349 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.599 He lost his wife, and he has to move to 350 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:08.759 another state. Okay, sounds about right, Yeah right, so's. 351 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:10.920 I don't think either Mike or I are surprised about. 352 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.160 That, Okay. 353 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:17.880 And that's Officer number one, Okay, the Wayne Houston, who 354 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:22.319 was the East Palestine patrolman. Seven years on the job. 355 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:27.559 He is hounded and ridiculed so severely for two weeks. 356 00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:32.240 Reporters are calling him night and day. He's ridiculed in public. 357 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:38.640 His police chief is furious because he left his jurisdiction. 358 00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:46.400 So he's getting it from the general public, from the media, 359 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:50.119 and from his pollute. And as we all know, when 360 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:56.039 your police chief is not happy, no one's happy. 361 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:57.599 Yes, so. 362 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:04.119 May first, just two weeks after the incident, he resigns. 363 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:08.799 Seven years on the job and because he saw a UFO, 364 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:15.839 he has to resign. He moved to Seattle and became 365 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:20.960 a bus driver. He even changed his name. He used 366 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.680 to go by Wayne Houston. His real first name was Harold. 367 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:28.640 He dropped the Wayne and went to Harold, so changed 368 00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:32.519 his name, resigned, and moved across the country to Seattle. 369 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:38.759 He died in twenty sixteen. So officer number two, whose 370 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:45.839 life is and if not ruined, completely upended in Conway 371 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:52.319 Patrolman Frank Panzanella. In a few months, he changed to 372 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:57.079 the Ambridge Police Department. Then he shifted again to the 373 00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:01.920 Sheriff's department and became a detective. And I apparently had 374 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:06.319 a decent career only because after the first statement he 375 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:10.880 gave that very night, he absolutely refused to talk. 376 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:11.960 About it ever again. 377 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:17.599 So because he kept his mouth shut after the initial night, 378 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.880 he switched departments twice, but he didn't have to change 379 00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:25.240 his name and move out of state. He died in 380 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:30.119 twenty fourteen, so we can't talk to him. So somebody 381 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:36.079 I hadn't mentioned yet. A chief of police, Gerald Butchert 382 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:41.279 in Ohio, saw the craft, ran inside, told his wife 383 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:42.359 come out and see this. 384 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:43.200 She did. 385 00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:48.920 He grabbed a camera and he took photographs of it. Okay, 386 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:53.640 so word gets out. He is hounded day and night, 387 00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:58.160 and in a couple of weeks he loses twenty pounds 388 00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:02.920 because of the stress. Yes, he has his film developed 389 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:08.079 and when he's certain he captured the object clearly, then 390 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:12.640 he contacts authorities. And for those of you who are 391 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:18.160 familiar with Project blue Book, the name Major Hecta Kintinia 392 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.240 will be familiar because he was the head of Blue Book. 393 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.240 And the major told, now, there's a major in the 394 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.599 Air Force telling a chief of police, only release a 395 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:36.480 grainy print to the newspapers and send me the negatives. 396 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.839 Comments Mike, please please tell me that the chief didn't 397 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:41.680 listen to him. 398 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.480 At least he kept the negatives. 399 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:50.279 He sent the negatives. Oh, okay, bad idea. So the 400 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:57.039 official Air Force report, now these were clear images, great negatives. 401 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:04.160