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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone. There has been a ongoing story that

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<v Speaker 2>we've kind of heard bits and pieces of for the

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<v Speaker 2>last few months, and that involves the future of White Stadium,

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<v Speaker 2>which for many, many years was used by Boston Public

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<v Speaker 2>schools for football games, that very well might change very

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<v Speaker 2>shortly with the arrival of a women's soccer team here

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<v Speaker 2>to Boston. On two sides of the issue, the group

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<v Speaker 2>that owns the women's soccer team, the Boston Unity Soccer

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<v Speaker 2>Partners along with the City of Boston, against a group

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<v Speaker 2>that is a very distinguished group, the Emerald Necklace Conservancy,

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<v Speaker 2>which basically is very concerned about all of the beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>park space that encircles Boston Homestead Necklace. I guess as

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<v Speaker 2>it's been as it's been called with us is great

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<v Speaker 2>reporter for the Boston Herald who has been with us before,

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<v Speaker 2>Gayla calla uh, And I want to start off with Collie.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, Gayla, Cally excuse me, Gayla. You've covered this

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<v Speaker 2>for some time, we've talked about it before. What happens tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow is kind of a big day in this.

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<v Speaker 3>Story, right, Yeah, it's actually to tought off the press.

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<v Speaker 3>The judge in the who's presiding over the case, just

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<v Speaker 3>essentially throughout throughout half the case of the plaintiffs, so

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<v Speaker 3>there they can't argue their case for one of their

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<v Speaker 3>major claims tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>I was surprised, and I haven't talked to you about this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was surprised why the the demolition of White

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<v Speaker 2>Stadium was allowed to begin, you know, to begin a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks ago at least, while this case really

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<v Speaker 2>theoretically the trial, as much as it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a trial, starts tomorrow. How did the demolition begin? Was

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<v Speaker 2>there really no effort to come in and enjoin the

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<v Speaker 2>city from starting to knock this structure down?

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<v Speaker 3>So there was amary preliminary injunction that was sought by

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<v Speaker 3>the plaintiffs, and the judge actually ruled against that. So

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<v Speaker 3>the city, basically under their own duress, decided to proceed

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<v Speaker 3>with demolition while the case was still pending in court.

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<v Speaker 2>That might be if I was an outside observer, I

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<v Speaker 2>might look at that as kind of perhaps an indicator

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<v Speaker 2>of which way this case is going. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>the Emerald Necklace Conservancy is a well respected organization, and

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<v Speaker 2>I assumed that they would have a lot of weight

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<v Speaker 2>in a court. But it looks to me like this

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<v Speaker 2>point things are trending against them and in favor of

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<v Speaker 2>the women's new professional women's soccer team and the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Boston. And in addition, I don't understand this part

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<v Speaker 2>of the case. And I'm not asking you to take

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<v Speaker 2>a position. I'm just trying to help me understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to talk or a couple of people, one

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<v Speaker 2>at nine point fifteen and one at nine thirty on

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<v Speaker 2>each side. I think I've read in one of your

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<v Speaker 2>pieces that there are about one hundred and forty five

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<v Speaker 2>trees near you know, it's part of Franklin Park or

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<v Speaker 2>the whole Franklin Park area that are being taken down

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<v Speaker 2>or have been taken down. Where does that stand the

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<v Speaker 2>loss of all of that tree cover.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, the work to take down those trees have

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<v Speaker 3>started along with demolition work as part of plans to

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<v Speaker 3>take down the stadium. So I would I would assume

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<v Speaker 3>that's still ongoing.

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<v Speaker 4>That's one of the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what is the And again again I haven't covered

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<v Speaker 2>this case. If I'm asking you questions to which are

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have the answer? You feel free to tell

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<v Speaker 2>me why are they taking down trees? Uh? That that

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<v Speaker 2>whole area is such a beautiful area, and all during

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<v Speaker 2>the summer we hear you know, groups and talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the value of trees in an urban setting, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so many uh so many streets and areas don't have

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<v Speaker 2>much shade for people and it and it really becomes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, an environmental question. What what's what's going to

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<v Speaker 2>replace the trees? Are they building a stadium that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to it's going to expand the footprint of white stadium?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that? Is that why?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm not entirely clear on the tree taking

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<v Speaker 3>down the trees, but I would I would think because

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<v Speaker 3>the stadium is going to be larger than what's currently there,

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<v Speaker 3>there's going to be more seating, there's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>more people that they're saying are going to be going

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<v Speaker 3>to the stadium to see the professional games, and other

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<v Speaker 3>events are going to be held out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and maybe that could be for I assume for parking.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I just I have I haven't had much of

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to talk to the principles here. How long

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<v Speaker 2>is this trial expected to last? I guess that's a

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<v Speaker 2>relatively new superior court judge if I'm if I'm not mistaken,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been a district court judge for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it Judge Nestor? Is that his name?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So the plaintiffs are saying that they expect the

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<v Speaker 3>trial to last a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that should be interesting. But wow, it's a this

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<v Speaker 2>is a fascinating story. How much as a reporter, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was a reporter a long time ago, how much

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<v Speaker 2>access have you been able to get to the principles

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<v Speaker 2>here the plaintiffs and the defendants. Have they been a

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<v Speaker 2>talking much off the record? Not that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>ask you what they said, but sometimes in these cases,

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<v Speaker 2>the lawyers make them button up and they can't. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't they're not inclined to talk to the reporters of

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<v Speaker 2>the story.

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<v Speaker 3>So they've actually they've actually been pretty accessible. They've held

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<v Speaker 3>multiple protests where they've made statements about the case. They've

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they get on the phone with you. They've

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<v Speaker 3>issued numerous press advisories, so they haven't been difficult to

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<v Speaker 3>get a hold of. I would I would say, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if they're if they're going into the nitty

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<v Speaker 3>gritty of the case with the media, but they have

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<v Speaker 3>been good with being in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen some of the protests that and again you've

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<v Speaker 2>covered them, and the Herald and the Globe that both

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<v Speaker 2>cover them. The protests for the most part, seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>be in opposition to the plan. Is there some support

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<v Speaker 2>within the area of this of Franklin Park that supports

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<v Speaker 2>this plan?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So the Franklin Park Coalition is in support of

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<v Speaker 3>the plan. And there's actually a grassroots group that popped

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<v Speaker 3>up in recent weeks, probably responsive to a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the criticism that's been out there, made up of BPS students, coaches,

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<v Speaker 3>parents that have been pretty active in recent weeks with

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<v Speaker 3>holding press conferences.

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<v Speaker 2>And have you spent much time to get a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of with the community at large how they feel. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of split fifty to fifty or do you

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<v Speaker 2>have a sense as to how the community feels.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, I would say that it's split. There's vocal opposition,

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<v Speaker 3>there's also vocal support. That's particular been prominent in the

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<v Speaker 3>past few weeks. The city council took a vote to

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<v Speaker 3>halt demolition that was a deadlock vote that they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have enough counselors to come to vote either way. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think that pretty much reflects the split nature of

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<v Speaker 3>the response to this project.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was the.

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<v Speaker 5>Six to six vote of just about a month ago,

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<v Speaker 5>if I'm recalling it correctly on the council or council

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<v Speaker 5>I was thirteen members, correct, and there was someone who

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<v Speaker 5>was absent that day, and so it was a tie vote.

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<v Speaker 5>I assume probably the mayor would have vetoed it anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think that the council probably wouldn't have enough

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<v Speaker 5>votes to have overridden.

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<v Speaker 2>The mayor's potential veto of that if I hit the guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that was a non binding resolution, so it

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<v Speaker 3>was more of a we strongly urge you to take

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<v Speaker 3>this action if they had voted, if they had the

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<v Speaker 3>votes to vote in favor of halting deition demolition. And

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<v Speaker 3>also the mayor has been you know, she's been a

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<v Speaker 3>champion of this project, and her opponent and the mayor

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<v Speaker 3>all race, Josh Craftis, has seized on the opposition. He's

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<v Speaker 3>called for demolition be halted. Last week he called for

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<v Speaker 3>a cancelation and a lease agreement. So it's been a

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<v Speaker 3>prominent issue in the campaign for mayor as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I noticed that some of the financial supporters

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<v Speaker 2>included Linda Pisudi, the wife of John Henry, the owner

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<v Speaker 2>of the Red Sox, has also left the investor group.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess with the owner of the ownership group, Galen.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. Always great to talk with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a great reporter. You deal with us periodically and

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate the time. Because it's one thing to

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<v Speaker 2>read your pieces, it's another thing to talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>in the radio. So thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Great, thank you appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>You were very welcome. I appreciate it a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back on it be talking with Renee

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<v Speaker 2>Stacy Welsh. She is with a group called the Franklin

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<v Speaker 2>Park Defenders. We'll get to her right after the break

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll find out why they are opposed to this.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back on Nightside and if you'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>join the conversation, we'll try to get some calls in later.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to be talking not only with Renee Stacy Welsh,

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<v Speaker 2>but also with a different person on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the issue. After the nine thirty news, coming back

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about the White Stadium legal battle, which comes

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<v Speaker 2>to a head tomorrow in a superior court room here

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<v Speaker 2>in Boston. Joining us now is Renee Stacey Welsh, a

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<v Speaker 2>longtime resident of the Franklin Park area, and she's with

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<v Speaker 2>a group called Franklin Park Defender Stacey. Renee, I should

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<v Speaker 2>say welcome tonight'satt how are you.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm well, Dan, Thank you for having me tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Very welcome. I know it's a big day tomorrow, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know that the judge today had issued some rulings

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<v Speaker 2>that the Boston Globe is suggesting the la significant blow

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<v Speaker 2>to the paintiffs, to the plaintiffs' hopes of stopping the project.

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<v Speaker 2>Why should this project be stopped? In your opinion as

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<v Speaker 2>a longtime resident, Renee.

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<v Speaker 6>I think this project deserves true community involvement and input.

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<v Speaker 6>They need to be true transparency in all aspects associated

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<v Speaker 6>with the development, and I don't think the community at

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<v Speaker 6>large truly got all of those things right. I think

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<v Speaker 6>that the as community, as a community, we deserve to

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<v Speaker 6>have a seat at the table when making these kinds

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<v Speaker 6>of decisions. We should be able to say and share

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<v Speaker 6>what we want to see in our Park.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the argument, I guess from your side of the

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<v Speaker 2>table and also from the other plaintiffs of the Emerald

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<v Speaker 2>Necklace Conservancy, which is a long, very respected organization. Here

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<v Speaker 2>they claim that Franklin Park was donated to the city

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<v Speaker 2>but in trust back in nineteen forty seven, and that

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<v Speaker 2>the trust said that that should be in use, should

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<v Speaker 2>be used as a public park and recreational land, which

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<v Speaker 2>it has been. Is there no way that this be

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<v Speaker 2>compromised so that they could build a new stadium and

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<v Speaker 2>allow this professional sports team to play their games there,

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<v Speaker 2>this women's soccer team play their games there, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>the park would still become easily accept the entire park

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<v Speaker 2>as well as the stadium would become easily accessible to

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<v Speaker 2>the community. Or is this just going to fundamentally change

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<v Speaker 2>what you know, what the White Stadium Franklin Park area

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<v Speaker 2>will will be will be going forward.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's going to fundamentally change it. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>when you think about they're taking up another two acres

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<v Speaker 6>and something mature trees. Some would would want you to

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<v Speaker 6>believe that these trees are severely diseased and we're taking

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<v Speaker 6>say they're going to build, they're gonna plant five hundred trees.

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<v Speaker 6>It takes eighty years for one tree to be beneficial.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone once said, when's the best time to plant a tree?

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<v Speaker 2>It's the answer is yesterday. Why are they taking these

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<v Speaker 2>center of major cities, not just Boston. There are plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of trees in the suburbs, but trees are much more

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<v Speaker 2>sparse in you know, communities like Dorchester, Roxbury, and somebody

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<v Speaker 2>will we'll talk about how that those portions of the city,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in the summer months June, July, August and September,

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<v Speaker 2>And if you lose all those trees in Franklin Park,

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to have an impact on a real impact

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, I mean, if you think about it, aside

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<v Speaker 6>from creating heat islands, let's talk about the respiratory issues

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<v Speaker 6>that these communities. Dortsche, the Rock, Gray, Mattapan have the

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<v Speaker 6>worst respiratory issues, and you decide to take down one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred and forty something trees to build a stadium that

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<v Speaker 6>it does not need to be that big, if it's truly,

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<v Speaker 6>in fact, for our kids. You know, they talk about

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<v Speaker 6>we're doing this for our kids. You spend one hundred

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<v Speaker 6>million dollars on one thing versus looking at the kids

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<v Speaker 6>and what the kids need and spreading that money out

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<v Speaker 6>for our kids. You know, every time they mentioned kids

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<v Speaker 6>to me, it does not compute. It doesn't make sense

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<v Speaker 6>because if it did, they would spend that money differently.

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<v Speaker 6>They wouldn't be spending it the way they're spending it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I haven't. I go to Franklin Park quite a

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<v Speaker 2>bit with my family, but I haven't been inside White

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<v Speaker 2>Stadium in a long long time. But I'm told that

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<v Speaker 2>White Stadium has fallen into disrepair and the city has

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<v Speaker 2>done very little, if anything, to keep it in decent

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<v Speaker 2>shape for high school football games. Even the facilities are

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<v Speaker 2>not have have not been kept up to date. Would

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<v Speaker 2>you agree with that? From you probably know the stadium better,

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<v Speaker 2>the White Stadium better than I.

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<v Speaker 6>So I was born in this community. So from nineteen

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<v Speaker 6>seventy five until today, I still use that park. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>I learned how to ride my bike there. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>we had our family cookouts and get togethers in that park.

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<v Speaker 6>My uncles were from the Caribbean. They played soccer inside

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<v Speaker 6>White Stadium. Whether it was raining, it was sunshine, they

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<v Speaker 6>were in their playing soccer.

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<v Speaker 7>We used it.

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<v Speaker 6>We used when there was something going on inside. They

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<v Speaker 6>used that two acres that they're going to be taking

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<v Speaker 6>to enhance or to expand the size of this footprint.

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<v Speaker 6>They used to play all along there. Even in the

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<v Speaker 6>summer months, when it's too hot to walk on the outside,

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<v Speaker 6>you walk closest to the stadium because the trees keeps

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<v Speaker 6>it cooler under there. So to your point, yes, they

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<v Speaker 6>have less Franklin Park. They've left White Stadium to fall

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<v Speaker 6>in disrepair, and you know, now it's like this is

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<v Speaker 6>the only thing we could do. No, it's not the

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<v Speaker 6>only thing we can do. You know, they're options, and

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<v Speaker 6>we deserve options as taxpayers, as community people, as people

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<v Speaker 6>who Franklin Park is the only place that many people

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<v Speaker 6>have to go for rest. But in the city, they

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<v Speaker 6>don't have second homes, they're not affluent, so they can't

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<v Speaker 6>run to the Cape or to Vermont or Maine and

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<v Speaker 6>go to their second you know, forest treeline property in

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<v Speaker 6>the suburbs. We don't have that ability, many of us don't.

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<v Speaker 6>So our summer home, our place of peace is Franklin Park,

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<v Speaker 6>and when you take it away for twenty two of

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<v Speaker 6>the good weekends a year, Dan, that's unfair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the soccer team will play, I believe, is

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning in March or April and all the way

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<v Speaker 2>into October.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, October, November, And my understanding is.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens to the high school football games that will

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<v Speaker 2>be played in September and October. Can do they use

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<v Speaker 2>the stadium for high school football games during I can't

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<v Speaker 2>imagine they use it for high school football games during

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<v Speaker 2>the week and then also for a women's professional soccer

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<v Speaker 2>team because football is going to eat up the turf

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, a lot more than a soccer game will.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that? Am I wrong on that?

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<v Speaker 6>No, you're one hundred and ten percent correct.

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<v Speaker 8>They said that the cleats on the cleats on the

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<v Speaker 8>cleats on football cleats are different, so it is truly

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<v Speaker 8>to your point, it's going to turf up the turf.

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<v Speaker 6>So they do not want football being played there.

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<v Speaker 2>So where will the high school football game. Where will

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<v Speaker 2>high school football games be played if not in white

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<v Speaker 2>stadium in September?

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<v Speaker 6>I would, I would, I would guests who knows?

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<v Speaker 9>Right?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, they can say that, right, And it's a

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<v Speaker 6>football steam for kids, right, And you say the kids

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<v Speaker 6>can't play there. But I think it's important to understand

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<v Speaker 6>you say it for the kids, but now you're displacing

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<v Speaker 6>a group of kids.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, ask you just another question. You tell me,

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<v Speaker 2>and you told me earlier that you were born in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five, so you've been there your entire life.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been integral in your entire life. Give me

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of how you feel the community has split

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<v Speaker 2>on this issue. I know that you haven't done a

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<v Speaker 2>poll of every one of your neighbors, but where's the

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<v Speaker 2>sentiment of the community. Because we're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 2>with a woman who also lives in the areas, I

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<v Speaker 2>understand that after the nine thirty news here who is

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<v Speaker 2>on the opposite side of this set circumstance from you?

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<v Speaker 2>So where where do you feel that the majority of

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<v Speaker 2>the community within you know, within the proximity of the

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<v Speaker 2>park sits on this topic.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, that's interesting. I you know, I'm I'm down the

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<v Speaker 6>street from from the park, and some of my neighbors

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<v Speaker 6>who have children who play soccer, who play sports are

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<v Speaker 6>against this. Right. Some of my other neighbors that one

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<v Speaker 6>still don't know about it, are like, well, why would

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<v Speaker 6>we want that in our community, you know, And as

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<v Speaker 6>I'm talking to people, I'm saying, well, let's look at

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<v Speaker 6>this differently because they hear the it's for the kids,

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<v Speaker 6>but then when you break it down to them, they're like,

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<v Speaker 6>that makes no sense. So I think that the people

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<v Speaker 6>who don't know and you're able to explain, they they're

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<v Speaker 6>on the side of I don't really agree with that.

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<v Speaker 6>I need more information, I need to understand more. And

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<v Speaker 6>I think the ones who are against it are against

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<v Speaker 6>it because they understand that the the adverse, the adverse

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<v Speaker 6>issues that were gonna come with this, I think. Dennison

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<v Speaker 6>also one of my barometers is look into the comment

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<v Speaker 6>section and the Globe and listen to the people and

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<v Speaker 6>the percentage of people that say they don't agree with this.

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<v Speaker 6>People who have been who lived here for you for decades,

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<v Speaker 6>they're like, this makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>So so your sense is that most of your neighbors

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<v Speaker 2>agree with you, is what I'm.

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<v Speaker 6>Hearing you say, I would say so yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, look, thank you very much. I do appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your time tonight. You've been a great spokesperson for the

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin Park Defenders. Renee Stacy Welsh. In a moment, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be talking with a woman named dot Fennel or Finelle,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how that's pronounced, and get kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a different perspective, and then we'll have to see what

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<v Speaker 2>the judge does. Certainly, these rulings I think that have

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<v Speaker 2>come down late tonight on the eve of the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the case in fold tomorrow, probably do not augure

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<v Speaker 2>very well for your point of view. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>keep up the fight and we'll keep in touch with you.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, thank you so much, Dan, have a wonderful night.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Renee Cassy Welsh with a group called the

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin Park Defenders. Back on nightside, right after the news,

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<v Speaker 2>after the news, and we'll talk to another community member

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<v Speaker 2>with a different perspective. Back on nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>So we just talked with Renee Stacy Welsh with a

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<v Speaker 2>group called the Franklin Park Defenders, We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>with Dot Fennel now and we will take some phone calls.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to make Dot answer phone questions, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd like to call, I can get you in

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<v Speaker 2>after this interview at six one, seven, two, five, four

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. Dot welcome. How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing so good, Dan, It's been quite a day.

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<v Speaker 4>Unlike Renee, who is a staff member did you know

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<v Speaker 4>this at the ma Reckless Conservancy, so she is paid

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<v Speaker 4>to be here. You're talking to a mom at now

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<v Speaker 4>a quarter of ten o'clock and I have go on

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<v Speaker 4>from school, take up at the curly, to after school homework,

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<v Speaker 4>to after school sport activity, to dinner, back home, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>back bedtime, book clean up, do a little bit more work,

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<v Speaker 4>and now talking to you. So I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 4>just like a day in the life of a parent, but.

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<v Speaker 2>This would be the best best part of your day.

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<v Speaker 2>Do let me ask. I'm gonna answer you the same

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<v Speaker 2>question because trying to God, can you can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 4>Robert no, Dot, are you able to hear you?

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to have a conversation with you, which is important

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<v Speaker 2>so that I can create some questions. Thank you very much,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that. So my my question to you is, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you live in the neighborhood as I understand that, correct?

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<v Speaker 4>I do? Yeah, so used to live on.

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<v Speaker 2>Take turn it down. I do this very rarely to

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<v Speaker 2>a guest. DOT. I'm going to ask you to refrain

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<v Speaker 2>from attacking Renee personally. Okay, she has a point of view,

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<v Speaker 2>You have a point of view, bring her back up.

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<v Speaker 2>What I want to do, Dot, is I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get your point of view. I'm not interested in you

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<v Speaker 2>personally attacking her, just as she did not personally attack you.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you hear the interview I did with Renee by

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<v Speaker 2>any chance for now?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I did hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Did she personally attack you? Did she call into question

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<v Speaker 2>your motivations or anything like that?

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<v Speaker 4>I have lots of really interesting questions about things that

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<v Speaker 4>are being put forth and the responses. So I hope

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<v Speaker 4>that we can dig into those.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I can. But if you would stop attacking her

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<v Speaker 2>personally and getting into, you know, what her motivations might be.

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<v Speaker 2>She did not attack your motivation. So I take it

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<v Speaker 2>that both of you live in the area. She tells

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<v Speaker 2>me she's lived there for fifty years. She was born

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<v Speaker 2>close to Franklin Park. I assume you're story is similar.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you're a longtime resident as well?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've been here twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's good. Fifty years, twenty years. Whatever. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you have a group? Are you speaking as an individual

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<v Speaker 2>or she has a group called Franklin Park Defenders. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't go into great detail with her about that. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you have an organization that you're representing? Your name was

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<v Speaker 2>given to us tonight by a representative from Elevate Communications.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a group or are you you hear

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<v Speaker 2>in your capacity? Just in your capacity as a resident

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<v Speaker 2>of the area.

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<v Speaker 4>Has a response of the of the misinformation that was

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<v Speaker 4>being put out by the Armald Necklace Conservancy. A group

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<v Speaker 4>of neighbors came together and suande coalition, which has now

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<v Speaker 4>grown into beyond just BPS parents, of which there's an

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<v Speaker 4>almost six hundred support letter. Send it to you as well.

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<v Speaker 2>As you don't have to. What is the name of

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<v Speaker 2>your group?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's no formal group. We are supporters of

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<v Speaker 4>the BPS facility, White Stadium renovation.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh fair enough, Okay, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's taken us quite a bit of time just to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of establish that. That's all I'm trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>whenever people get involved. I know that there's been some

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<v Speaker 2>demonstrations opposed to the activity, and I think Renee has

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<v Speaker 2>been involved in some of those. I assume there probably

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<v Speaker 2>have been some demonstrations in support of what might happen

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<v Speaker 2>at White Stadium. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 9>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>There has. I mean, we're we are. We have not

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<v Speaker 4>had as much time to be organized. We don't have

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<v Speaker 4>the time or the financial backing to be organized. And

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<v Speaker 4>you're talking to myself as well as another mother who

448
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<v Speaker 4>frankly aren't being paid to be here, who are reaching

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<v Speaker 4>out to after school youth program coordinators, folks who speak

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<v Speaker 4>on behalf of students other bps.

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<v Speaker 2>So what Let me give you what I want you to.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to make your case here. So let

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<v Speaker 2>me ask you the question which might help you support

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<v Speaker 2>the the demolition of the current stadium, the construction of

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<v Speaker 2>a new stadium which will be a which will be

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<v Speaker 2>in part a soccer stadium. Tell us what, tell us

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<v Speaker 2>why that is good for the community. Tell us tell

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<v Speaker 2>us why you support it.

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<v Speaker 4>So I have a question for you. So I'm happy

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<v Speaker 4>to hear that you spend a lot of time here

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<v Speaker 4>at Franklin Park, and I also wanted to ask, do

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<v Speaker 4>you have.

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<v Speaker 2>I go to the zoo that count Oh no, I

464
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<v Speaker 2>know that, never never played the golf course, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do go to the zoo.

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<v Speaker 4>So we haven't either. Well, So what I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 4>get at is that, like, so if I'm speaking parent

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<v Speaker 4>to parents, and when I look at the BP educators

469
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<v Speaker 4>who teach my children every day and all the children

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<v Speaker 4>across the city and who know my children well, know

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<v Speaker 4>their job well, I see them working with so little

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<v Speaker 4>and doing so much, And I couldn't imagine getting in

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<v Speaker 4>the way of them saying they need something and me

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<v Speaker 4>coming in as an interloper and saying, oh, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't need that. And I look at our BPS athletes,

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<v Speaker 4>I look at their coaches, I look at their administrators,

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<v Speaker 4>and I look at the facility team, and I look

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<v Speaker 4>at the city saying we need a new stadium. This

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<v Speaker 4>is what we want, what our students want. And so

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<v Speaker 4>as a BPS parents, I'm seeing what's available to students

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<v Speaker 4>who are in the suburbs, who have access to facilities,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm seeing students who are being asked reform with

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<v Speaker 4>facilities that are subpak. So as a parent, I want

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<v Speaker 4>better facilities for my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>So my under standing and by the way, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Public School graduate, Boston Latin School. I played sportscast

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<v Speaker 2>Latin school baseball in Howe we played in some you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know facilities there's many years ago, in the last century.

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<v Speaker 2>So however, my question is my understanding is that some

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<v Speaker 2>of the people who are opposed to it feel that

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<v Speaker 2>White Stadium will be used by the women's professional soccer

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<v Speaker 2>team from the spring until sometime in either late October

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<v Speaker 2>or early November, and that football games, which have traditionally

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<v Speaker 2>been where Boston Public School teams play football, will be

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<v Speaker 2>off limits to the students during the you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>months of the early months of the football season September October.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm being given incorrect information on that, please correct me.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think if you want to get the exact

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<v Speaker 4>specifics from the city on how many games are happening,

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<v Speaker 4>then you would need to call the project team. But

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<v Speaker 4>it's my understanding that they're going to be able to host.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was up to like five teams and

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<v Speaker 4>like ten aims, and yes, they do have to and

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<v Speaker 4>it's between different sports. So is there going to be

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<v Speaker 4>some adjustment? Yes, is there going to be some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of scheduling happening. Of course there is, and this this

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<v Speaker 4>constant like, well, we can't do anything because mentality you're making,

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<v Speaker 4>you're making a speech.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just simply asking you the question. What Renee said

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I asked her the question. I had heard

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<v Speaker 2>it before.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's about football, it's about football.

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<v Speaker 2>But let me say, could I finish the question? Because

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<v Speaker 2>your weren't response to the questions you're making this This

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<v Speaker 2>is not intended to be a contentious interview. Trust me,

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<v Speaker 2>I know on both sides, and I had a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>easy conversation with Renee. It hasn't been as easy with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and let me be can it with you? I just

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<v Speaker 2>am trying to give you the opportunity to answer the

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<v Speaker 2>questions that are out there. My understanding is that the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Students football teams will not have access to the

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<v Speaker 2>stadium during the season when the women's professional soccer team

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<v Speaker 2>is playing, which is understandable. Okay, yeah, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to find out from you. If you have not heard that,

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<v Speaker 2>just tell me you haven't heard it and we can

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<v Speaker 2>move on.

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<v Speaker 4>But the thing is is that this is not just

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<v Speaker 4>a black and white issue. So do you have a sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so who gets to play football? It is boys between

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<v Speaker 4>the ages of seven to twelve three, So off the bat,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a support a sport that's not serving the children

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<v Speaker 4>from K zero all the way up to twelve. And

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<v Speaker 4>so what I would love for my city is to

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<v Speaker 4>be thinking, Okay, so moving forward, here's where we're at.

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<v Speaker 4>How can we meet the current needs of our football program.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's an shoot as the city. I think

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<v Speaker 4>there's like seven teams, seven programs, but then over here

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't want to come from football soccer, that's

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<v Speaker 4>not fair. But I think like a twenty five plus

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<v Speaker 4>growing things. What I want to see is a city

541
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<v Speaker 4>at saying let's do both. So the football while this

542
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<v Speaker 4>has happened, is currently playing at Clemente which is in

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<v Speaker 4>Sunway and Clifford down in the South End. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>not as if the city is the.

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<v Speaker 2>One in Clifford is the one that has been strewn

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<v Speaker 2>with hypodermic needles.

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<v Speaker 4>I know I've talked to yeah, which is like also

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<v Speaker 4>a challenge yeah forward for both.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, last question, and I got to be very

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<v Speaker 2>quick on this one, so okay, you know, as I

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<v Speaker 2>understand it, and if it's true, great, If it isn't,

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<v Speaker 2>set me correct, My understanding is about one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>forty five mature trees that are going to be cut down.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh goodness, okay, so that accurate?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that accurate?

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<v Speaker 4>No? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So again, my trees would be cut down, if.

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<v Speaker 4>Any I'm up the town order. But do you know

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<v Speaker 4>what the city considers to be on paper a mature tree?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I assume a mature tree. At least the trees

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm familiar with are probably probably at least fifty

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<v Speaker 2>or sixty years old. I'm not an arborist either. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm told that one and one hundred and forty five trees.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we'll be cut down.

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<v Speaker 2>And all I'm asking is that number correct?

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<v Speaker 4>It's not stands while I got involved, So hoy, how.

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<v Speaker 2>Many are there any trees going to be cut down?

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<v Speaker 4>Man? It's three inches? So you get to three inches

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<v Speaker 4>really quick. And if you walk around that stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>What's three inches? What are you referring to?

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<v Speaker 4>So three inch? Three inch diameter is what the city

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<v Speaker 4>considers to be a mature tree. So like there's like

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<v Speaker 4>a certain crop by which they lost things.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, again, here's the thing dark. You tried to

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<v Speaker 2>make speeches and I'm going to cut it off. I

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<v Speaker 2>hate to do this to you, but I'm way past

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<v Speaker 2>my commercial break. I gave You've got more time than

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<v Speaker 2>the other side. I wish you had been more responsor

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<v Speaker 2>to my questions. But I thank you for being here tonight. Nonetheless.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and perhaps we'll talk again. Have a have a

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<v Speaker 2>good evening, and best of luck in court when this

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<v Speaker 2>case convenes tomorrow. Okay, thank you, take care, good night. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if you'd like to call in and comment, I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>you an opportunity. One gentleman, Derek and Roxbury has been

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<v Speaker 2>holding on. Derek, you're going to be first on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven, nine three ten thirty Bruins just lost

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<v Speaker 2>in overtime to the Flo Sabers. The season is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of slipping away. We'll be back on Night's side right

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<v Speaker 2>after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Sight Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've had an interesting hour. We haven't talked to

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<v Speaker 2>any callers yet, so let's try to get as many

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<v Speaker 2>folks in as we can between now and ten o'clock,

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<v Speaker 2>we will talk, we will change topics. I'm prepared to

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<v Speaker 2>go a little bit into the next hour if you're interested. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a very interesting issue. Six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty six one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Derek is the most patient man of the night. Derek, welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>You've been holding on for a while. Go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks. Thanks. I just want to say thank you for this,

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<v Speaker 7>and I think you've asked some really good questions and

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<v Speaker 7>it's good to see local media do so. In responsible.

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<v Speaker 7>One of the questions that you asked about the division

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<v Speaker 7>and the well, let me tell you who I am.

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<v Speaker 7>My name is Derek. I arrived in Boston from Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 7>do a ten Boston College, and I work my way

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<v Speaker 7>through BC in the eighties with him arborist who had

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<v Speaker 7>grown up in Chestnut Hill, and we did a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of work on private Omsted designed properties in Brookline and

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<v Speaker 7>Newton in that area because of course there are many

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<v Speaker 7>that's home itself in the Gardener Place now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Arboretum, the Olmsted Necklace.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and in ninety two I became a twenty five

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<v Speaker 7>year rarity in the Boston Public schools. I was a

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<v Speaker 7>twenty five year old African American, a Native American teacher

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<v Speaker 7>of American history and social studies at the Phyllis Wheatley

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<v Speaker 7>Middle School, which has since been closed.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought their friends.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, right, right, So uh, you know, I've been aware

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<v Speaker 7>of and familiar, and I also moved to Roxbury. I

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<v Speaker 7>permanently adopted Roxbury where I am now in ninety two

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<v Speaker 7>as a homeowner and a small landlord owner in a

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<v Speaker 7>concentrated little area across the street from another so called

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<v Speaker 7>homestead legacy park called Malcolm X Park. And last year

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<v Speaker 7>not unlike now, oh, I guess find that I should say,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm also in front England Park defender and in full disclosure.

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<v Speaker 7>And this is really my second rodeo unfortunately in the

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<v Speaker 7>last three years with the city over a park quote

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<v Speaker 7>unquote improvement project in Roxbury. Now White Stadium is located

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<v Speaker 7>in Franklin Park and Franklin Park, as a matter of

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<v Speaker 7>a historical accident, has spent you know, the last let's

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<v Speaker 7>say eighty years, seventy five years, segregated for most of

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<v Speaker 7>that time in sort of the same red lined area

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<v Speaker 7>of the city of Boston as most of it's black

637
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.559
<v Speaker 7>and brown residents right and likewise has been disinvested in neglected.

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<v Speaker 7>And on the one hand, it is or should be

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<v Speaker 7>good news to see that the city or anyone else

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<v Speaker 7>is interested in investing large sums of capital in the area.

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<v Speaker 7>But when it comes to Olmstead's Crown Jewel, which is

642
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<v Speaker 7>three hundred and fifty degrees by state map, highly concentrated

643
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.079
<v Speaker 7>environmental justice census tracks, which have all of this long

644
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<v Speaker 7>list of social inequity indicators, the question is whether or

645
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<v Speaker 7>not that sudden and new investment in the area is

646
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<v Speaker 7>a giver or a grab.

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<v Speaker 2>And Derek, let me do this. You've been very patient,

648
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>You've been on a long time on hold in your opinion.

649
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Is it a giver or a grab? Because I think

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00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:36.159
<v Speaker 2>you have outlined your experience and outlined the circumstances of

651
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 2>that community for many years. I grew up in Boston,

652
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<v Speaker 2>so I'm very familiar. Yeah, played a lot of sports

653
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.000
<v Speaker 2>in Weisby Dorchester as a kid. Is it a giver

654
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 2>a grab? As far as your concern, well.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you for asking me to that. And while I

656
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.960
<v Speaker 7>can understand those who think that it's a give, there

657
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 7>are reasons that I understand them. I say it's a

658
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<v Speaker 7>grab because what you're losing here is a public equity,

659
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 7>which is I think something that the previous your first

660
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:08.039
<v Speaker 7>Talk interview, he was saying versus you know, one time

661
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<v Speaker 7>a private opportunities for things like jobs, contracts, what have you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what I bothered, to be really honest with

663
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<v Speaker 2>the de What bothers me the most is the the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the football you know, I you know, I

665
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.039
<v Speaker 2>never played football in high school. I was baseball and hockey.

666
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.599
<v Speaker 2>But the football guys who I went to school with

667
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.599
<v Speaker 2>at Boston Latin School, you know, September and October. I mean,

668
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 2>that was the football season and then you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all over by Thanksgiving Day. And that's that is what

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<v Speaker 2>concerns me a little bit as.

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<v Speaker 7>To you know, yeah, you know, who's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, go ahead, I only got a minute left. And

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to crunch you here, but go ahead, I'll

674
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<v Speaker 2>give you the final minute.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I think you and your listeners will appreciate this.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, Fragua Park is an Olmsted part right, which

677
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<v Speaker 7>is by definition, I mean, by definition, it's a meeting

678
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:59.400
<v Speaker 7>place of urban and democratic social goods right uh in nature,

679
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.159
<v Speaker 7>and it doesn't. I mean, whether that's the floor of

680
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.039
<v Speaker 7>the fauna, of the geology, you know the pudding.

681
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Everybody knows that, Yeah, go ahead, right right.

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00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 7>Well, as a result, it's not a place, it's not

683
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 7>a place of displacement. So if football or some other

684
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 7>thing that's been here is here now just needs to

685
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:23.679
<v Speaker 7>be reinvested and supported and continued, is being displaced or

686
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.320
<v Speaker 7>stands the threat of being displaced, you have to slow

687
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 7>down the process and ask the stakeholders their questions and

688
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.320
<v Speaker 7>respond to their questions, not just feed them. You know

689
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.400
<v Speaker 7>this really great, big idea that looks Listen, after eighty

690
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:41.679
<v Speaker 7>years of disinvestment, like in a desert, it's going to

691
00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:45.599
<v Speaker 7>be very hard to mistake or to tell for a

692
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.840
<v Speaker 7>lot of people the difference between cold water and cold

693
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<v Speaker 7>say camel urine, because.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate on that point, Derek, But you waited thirty minutes,

695
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 2>but I've flat out a time. We'll we'll deal with this,

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00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure in the future. I very much appreciate your perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and your experience, and I think it's pretty clear

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<v Speaker 2>on what side of the issue you come down. So

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much. I wish I had more time

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<v Speaker 2>for you. I really, I really do. Thanks. Thanks, thank

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00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you again, Derek appreciated. Keep listening to night Side. I'll

702
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:18.880
<v Speaker 2>tell you what I'm going to do, folks. I'm going

703
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.400
<v Speaker 2>to give people an opportunity if they want to call in.

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00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:25.039
<v Speaker 2>I'll take this into the ten o'clock howa. Uh, that

705
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.079
<v Speaker 2>is my decision. If you want to participate, you got

706
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:30.800
<v Speaker 2>to jump on real quickly. Six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 10>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's no interest, we're going to move on to

710
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 2>a different topic. We'll be back on Nightside after this.

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<v Speaker 9>It's night Side with Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you easy Boston's news video.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we have talked for an hour with a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of perspectives on what's going on at White Stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>As I mentioned, the judge in this case issued some

716
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.079
<v Speaker 2>decisions today on some motions which would seem to undercut

717
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the the f for the plaintiffs to stop the city

718
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>from continuing to take down White Stadium and build a

719
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 2>new women's professional sports stadium. But that court activity we'll

720
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:19.760
<v Speaker 2>commence in the morning. We did speak with Gayla Colly

721
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<v Speaker 2>of The Boston Herald, as well as Renee Stacey Wells

722
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.440
<v Speaker 2>with a group called the Franklin Park Defenders. They were

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00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 2>opposed to the destruction of White Stadium and the construction

724
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:32.639
<v Speaker 2>of a women's soccer stadium. And also we spoke with

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00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.880
<v Speaker 2>a woman named Dot Finel who described herself as a

726
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:40.119
<v Speaker 2>parent who was in favor of the changes. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to phone calls and invite people to

728
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.719
<v Speaker 2>continue the conversation. We can continue it for a little

729
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.800
<v Speaker 2>while and move on to something else. They do want

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00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.559
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the deportations that went on over the

731
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>weekend and the controversy around it. But let's start with

732
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the callers who have called in. If you'd like to

733
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.920
<v Speaker 2>join the conversation talking about White Stadium, It's future or

734
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.440
<v Speaker 2>lack thereof six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Here comes

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<v Speaker 2>Michael and Aliborough. Michael, you've held through the news. We

737
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:11.800
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. You're next on night, said we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>White Stadium.

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<v Speaker 10>Hey, Dan, how are you?

740
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing just great? What's your thoughts?

741
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<v Speaker 10>I raised, I was raised. I grew up right down

742
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.639
<v Speaker 10>the street from the park. It was a little tough

743
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 10>in the sixties to go there. Yeah, I'm one hundred

744
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<v Speaker 10>and twenty percent with a gentleman who called early. I

745
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:32.840
<v Speaker 10>think he was before the news.

746
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<v Speaker 2>I think he was Derek.

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<v Speaker 9>I think he was African American. And that's what this is.

748
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.639
<v Speaker 10>This is a money grab. As soon as I heard Henry.

749
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.760
<v Speaker 9>Being involved, this is a money grab.

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00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, she's not well for let me just be clear,

751
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>John Henry was not directly involved. His wife, Linda Pizzuti,

752
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:56.880
<v Speaker 2>was one of the investors. Uh and she uh. And

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00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:00.360
<v Speaker 2>I understand some others have have left the group. It

754
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.719
<v Speaker 2>may be in part because of that controversy. But just

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00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:04.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, I just want to be fair to everyone here,

756
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<v Speaker 2>go right.

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<v Speaker 10>Ahead, Okay, it's a money grab. It's a money grab.

758
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.119
<v Speaker 10>But trees are taken down, must be parking, right.

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00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, the trees that were taken down, as I understand,

760
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.800
<v Speaker 2>are trees that are you know, mature, eighty year old trees.

761
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:21.679
<v Speaker 2>And it's one hundred and forty five trees that were

762
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>taken down. And you know, they talk about the the

763
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:28.519
<v Speaker 2>urban deserts and how that there's lack of foliage and trees,

764
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 2>and not only in Boston but in other American cities,

765
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and I think there that's legitimate. So but I had

766
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 2>a tough interview with the we we lined up another

767
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:45.119
<v Speaker 2>representative with dot Fennel just trying to get I was

768
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.679
<v Speaker 2>trying to just give her the opportunity to pres that

769
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 2>well it was it was tough, so but hey, that's

770
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.599
<v Speaker 2>the way it happens. And I didn't want her attacking.

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<v Speaker 10>M me put it a different way. Yeah, okay, on

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<v Speaker 10>the other side of the thing, that the African America,

773
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:05.320
<v Speaker 10>I'm a white guy, right.

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00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know that he was African American. His

775
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.920
<v Speaker 2>name was Derek from Roxbury. He said that he lived

776
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:15.800
<v Speaker 2>in the community. He did not identify to the recollection.

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<v Speaker 2>So just what it doesn't matter. His point of view

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<v Speaker 2>was his point of view.

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<v Speaker 9>What's your comment the same thing.

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00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 10>That's what he was getting at the display from the people.

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00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:27.840
<v Speaker 9>Who waited thirty forty.

782
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.360
<v Speaker 10>Fifty years to be able to use.

783
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 9>That park without any problem.

784
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:37.599
<v Speaker 10>Now they're coming in. If Hann me or anybody wants

785
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<v Speaker 10>to get on the board, give the football players five

786
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<v Speaker 10>grand every time they play or something.

787
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<v Speaker 9>I mean, you know, the football.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what my concern is, and I was trying to,

789
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<v Speaker 2>you know, square this out, is that the women's soccer schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>as I understand that runs from late March or early

791
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<v Speaker 2>April that they play, you know, once a week whatever.

792
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.239
<v Speaker 2>And they're not like baseball that's playing every other every day.

793
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:08.599
<v Speaker 2>They're not like hockey or basketball, which is playing eighty

794
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 2>two games all over the course of the winter. So

795
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:17.039
<v Speaker 2>they're playing maybe two three times a week. Soccer, professional soccer,

796
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:20.800
<v Speaker 2>I think is oftentimes a weekend sport from what I see,

797
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's you know, a week between games and all

798
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.599
<v Speaker 2>of that. So it's kind of like football in that regard.

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<v Speaker 2>But this season runs into October early November, and the

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<v Speaker 2>stadium cannot be used weekdays by the football kids voting.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know if they play there, but you remember

802
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.239
<v Speaker 10>Latin English well that you.

803
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<v Speaker 2>Know, Latin English was always played at Harvard Stadium.

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00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.880
<v Speaker 10>Okay, on Thanksgimming, I mean that was that was That's

805
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 10>that's legendary, like.

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<v Speaker 9>Saint Patrick's says, legendary over in the.

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<v Speaker 10>South all I got you down, I got you down

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<v Speaker 10>is the resident.

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<v Speaker 9>But another way, real quick, they wouldn't.

810
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<v Speaker 10>Have gone near there thirty forty years ago.

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<v Speaker 9>They would have been scared to I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't look yeah, look, I mean let's deal with today.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the zoo has been there a long time. I've

814
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:20.519
<v Speaker 2>gone in and out of there. People love playing the

815
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.000
<v Speaker 2>golf course. Tom and Nino, the former mayor, used to

816
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>that was the course that he loved to play, so

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<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, I mean look, bottom line is the area

818
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<v Speaker 2>has gotten a little bit better, which is great, as

819
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:36.000
<v Speaker 2>have a number of you know, uh communities in the

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00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Boston area. So let's let's hope it continues. Michael appreciated.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you all is well in Attleborough with you.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, thank you, Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye. Let's keep rolling here, going to get Melissa

824
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<v Speaker 2>in Jamaica. Plane, Melissa, you are next on Nisaka right ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh hi yan, thanks for having me on TI calling in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, class cat, go right.

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<v Speaker 4>Ahead, all right, thank you. Feel right at home now. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to just say that what we see

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<v Speaker 4>happening in Franklin Park is really disturbing. When I first

830
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:20.079
<v Speaker 4>heard about this project, this partnership between the city and

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<v Speaker 4>the professional women's soccer team, I was really kind of

832
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<v Speaker 4>excited about it. It was something intrigued me because I

833
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:34.679
<v Speaker 4>love watching soccer. I want to support women's sports and

834
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:40.360
<v Speaker 4>empowered girls. But the devil was in the detail, and

835
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<v Speaker 4>as I started to attend the White Stadium meetings, the

836
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<v Speaker 4>Zoom meetings, what I realized was we were really getting

837
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<v Speaker 4>hung out to dry, not only the taxpayers, but the

838
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<v Speaker 4>students especially. And every time I heard more from this

839
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<v Speaker 4>city about how they were promising us that there was

840
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<v Speaker 4>going to be a great project, they couldn't have they

841
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<v Speaker 4>didn't back it up. And when they saw that the

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<v Speaker 4>cost balloon from fifty million to one hundred million, it

843
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<v Speaker 4>just became really clear to me that this was a

844
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<v Speaker 4>bad deal for Boston, a bad deal for the kids,

845
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<v Speaker 4>a bad deal for the community.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's now actually, if I'm not mistaken,

847
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<v Speaker 2>isn't it two hundred million? I think the city is

848
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<v Speaker 2>in for one hundred and the soccer team is in

849
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<v Speaker 2>for a hundred.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's only going to go up. I mean,

851
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:39.000
<v Speaker 4>let's face it, with the tariffs and the skyrocketing costs

852
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.840
<v Speaker 4>of construction, the taxpayer is going to be on the

853
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<v Speaker 4>hook for a lot more than one hundred million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm a little surprised that the judge allowed the

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<v Speaker 2>demolition of the stadium to start two or three weeks

856
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<v Speaker 2>before the court case started.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's unfortunate. From what I understand the judge that

858
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<v Speaker 4>ruled that there there wasn't the injunction, there was no

859
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<v Speaker 4>need for injunction was probably she made some wrong assumptions

860
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<v Speaker 4>about well.

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<v Speaker 2>It would it would indicate to me that that that

862
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 2>the judge might have a predisposition. I don't know the judge.

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<v Speaker 2>He's experienced judge at district court and recently appointed to

864
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<v Speaker 2>supirit Court. I have no question. I'm not questioning motivations,

865
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<v Speaker 2>but it just seems to me that if you allowed

866
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<v Speaker 2>the construction of a facility to begin, uh, and the

867
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.800
<v Speaker 2>question that is before is really the survival of that

868
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<v Speaker 2>facility or the replacement of the facility? Joy until the trial.

869
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<v Speaker 4>But it's actually two different judges. There was there was

870
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.760
<v Speaker 4>a judge that ruled against the injunction.

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<v Speaker 2>The okay, then thank you, thank you for that clarification.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I still don't understand why when there's a case,

873
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<v Speaker 2>I do not understand why a judge in a situation

874
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<v Speaker 2>like that. I know that one of the arguments on

875
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<v Speaker 2>a temporary injunction is always the likelihood of the party

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<v Speaker 2>that's requesting the injunction to prevail. That's one element of it,

877
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<v Speaker 2>and then it's called irreparable damages. Well, certainly, if you're

878
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<v Speaker 2>going to take half the stadium down and a couple

879
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<v Speaker 2>of one hundred and fifty trees, there is irreparable damage.

880
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<v Speaker 2>That would indicate to me that the judge probably felt

881
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<v Speaker 2>that the first judge who did not grant the injunction,

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<v Speaker 2>did they ever appeal that and take that up?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, no, they did not appeal that. But the

884
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<v Speaker 4>court case is still pending, so the actual trial it's

885
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<v Speaker 4>starting tomorrow, will decide the merits, the legal merits.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but what I'm saying, But what I'm saying is

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<v Speaker 2>what are the chances the judge who's now and again

888
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<v Speaker 2>I apologized, I thought it would have been the same judge,

889
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<v Speaker 2>But that's that's my mistake. Thank you for the correction.

890
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<v Speaker 2>What are the chances that the judge is likely to

891
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<v Speaker 2>rule in favor of the opponents if half the stadium

892
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:24.280
<v Speaker 2>has been knocked down? I don't understand.

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00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:29.159
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's certainly, it certainly is not a good look

894
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<v Speaker 4>for public opinion. And that's and that's unfortunate. And because

895
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<v Speaker 4>you know, ideally, you know, justice should be heard fairly, right,

896
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<v Speaker 4>we should both sides should be able to present their

897
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<v Speaker 4>case fairly, and by having the demolition go forward. It

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<v Speaker 4>really it's exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if this was an eminent domain case and

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<v Speaker 2>there were people saying, we don't want our houses to

901
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<v Speaker 2>be knocked down, and and and we case is.

902
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<v Speaker 4>Heard in the Southwest.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, You're a Bostonian, so that's that's something we all

904
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<v Speaker 2>both know what the Southwest Corridor is. Hey, look, Melissa,

905
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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate your weighing in. I'm past my break, so

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<v Speaker 2>I got to jump. Thank you so much for calling

907
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<v Speaker 2>for the first time tonight, and we'll continue to follow

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<v Speaker 2>the story. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Melissa, I have a great night. Good night. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to change topics. I am not going to

912
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<v Speaker 2>drag a topic out when we come back. We're going

913
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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the deportations and all the controversy around it.

914
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<v Speaker 2>The administration's decision to invoke the Alien and Seditions Act,

915
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<v Speaker 2>the Alien Enemies Act, which is an act from the

916
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<v Speaker 2>from seventeen ninety eight seventeen ninety eight, the Alien Enemies Act.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the administration, I think the Administration needs

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<v Speaker 2>to get this clarified, and I would hope that the

919
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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court would jump in here and take the case,

920
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<v Speaker 2>and hear the case. We're going to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've watched some of the videos of this prison where

922
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<v Speaker 2>these are so called terrorists, and they are they're bad people.

923
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<v Speaker 2>MS thirteen members, and apparently the Trump administration cut a

924
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<v Speaker 2>deal with the president of Al Salvador. And I got

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you, I'm a due process guy, but I'm

926
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<v Speaker 2>probably going to tell you that I think that the

927
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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration is doing the right thing here. All of

928
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<v Speaker 2>my libertarian friends are going to be howling with dismay,

929
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<v Speaker 2>but you can feel make the arguments. I think I

930
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<v Speaker 2>understand them. Let's keep the conversation going, but we're going

931
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<v Speaker 2>to change conversation six one, seven, two, five, four ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. If

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<v Speaker 2>you have strong thoughts on the deportations of the people

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<v Speaker 2>that the Trump administration has characterized as terrorists, I think

935
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<v Speaker 2>the first thing we need to do is to talk

936
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<v Speaker 2>about who these people are and then go from there.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll start that conversation right after this break on Nightside