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Speaker 5: Howdy folks, your host Double J back here, coming at
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Speaker 5: once again your host Double J here, I will be
Speaker 5: your pilot navigator for tonight's Shenanigan infused journey into the
Speaker 5: mind of this particular garbage can. Dude, got a real
Speaker 5: barn burner on deck for you folks here tonight, and
Speaker 5: we're gonna go through a in a cult and or
Speaker 5: esoteric review of the nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece starring
Speaker 5: Eddie Murphy The Golden Child, and joining me here tonight
Speaker 5: is Nick from the Occult Rejects. Nick Welcome, Welcome, sir.
Speaker 1: What's going on man? Thank you very much?
Speaker 5: And fellow oh for sure, and fellow occult Rejects Cosmic Pete,
Speaker 5: Julia and Jen the Ninja.
Speaker 1: How what's up.
Speaker 5: Welcome back to Operation GCD, Jen and Julia, Welcome.
Speaker 4: You've been on. We've done Fridays, I Think Together, and.
Speaker 5: Some other shows, but this is your your first Operation
Speaker 5: GCD experience, so welcome.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the grass is greener over here. I think I
Speaker 6: like it. I like the air over here nice, I.
Speaker 5: Like green grass. I think, Nick, Nick, you agrees me
Speaker 5: on that one. He knows what I'm talking about. Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: So I'm glad to hear this came together in an
Speaker 5: unofficial fashion in such a fantastic way, because quite honestly,
Speaker 5: this spun out of tonight's.
Speaker 4: Show reviewing The Golden Child.
Speaker 5: If folks aren't familiar with the film, I will be
Speaker 5: playing a brief trailer here for us, and before we
Speaker 5: dive into any of the details that I found the
Speaker 5: original trailer that was the I guess it was from
Speaker 5: early nineteen eighty six because it came out in December
Speaker 5: of eighty six. I believe the film did. So it's
Speaker 5: a it's a great it's a great trailer from It's
Speaker 5: a perfect eighties trailer.
Speaker 4: So it does a great job.
Speaker 5: It actually explains the story and the narrative of the plotline,
Speaker 5: whereas today's trailers do none of that. And there's so
Speaker 5: many trailers I watched today, I'm like, what the fuck's
Speaker 5: this movie even about?
Speaker 4: Man? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: It's quite honestly, I think it's the formula in which
Speaker 5: Hollywood makes films today. And that's one example. Don't want
Speaker 5: to go off on too big of a tangent, but
Speaker 5: one example. There was a film about ten years ago.
Speaker 5: It was a Spanish language film even and it was
Speaker 5: supposed to be a drama film, and it was apparently
Speaker 5: this you know, they put a lot of money into it,
Speaker 5: so for some reason they wanted to try to save it.
Speaker 5: So it was gonna be completely shit canned in the
Speaker 5: studio called in I believe it was Keanu Reeves to
Speaker 5: come in for two weeks film a bunch of sea.
Speaker 6: Oh sh listen, throws on your own show my.
Speaker 5: Back, My Back, where I cut out romance drama.
Speaker 6: Reeves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they called it Kanu to film like two weeks
Speaker 5: the ship, and they changed into a crime, some.
Speaker 4: Sort of crime thriller.
Speaker 5: They went from romance drama to crime thriller from two
Speaker 5: different languages. As I'm just saying, a lot of films
Speaker 5: are very formulaic, and this in this day and age,
Speaker 5: when they can pull off of something like that, I
Speaker 5: don't think anyone solid in theaters anyway. But nonetheless, like
Speaker 5: you know, until the last two weeks of filming, it
Speaker 5: was a it was a Spanish language romance, you know film,
Speaker 5: and then they brought in Keanu and made it some
Speaker 5: sort of crime thriller, you know, in English speaking, So
Speaker 5: again you know they don't. You know what I'm getting
Speaker 5: at is, you know, I think there was a certain
Speaker 5: craft to filmmaking still in the eighties, not only just
Speaker 5: the writing as I'm pointing out, the plot lines and
Speaker 5: the trailers even described these fucking films, but the you're
Speaker 5: rubbing off on me, Julia with with.
Speaker 4: All your cursing like a sailor, I feel like I
Speaker 4: have to curse the uh the I mean.
Speaker 5: I'm an old retired senior masters artant, so I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: master start senior and CEO from the Air Force, so
Speaker 5: it doesn't take me much. But I'm not a sailor.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's about the same language, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 6: To push you in that direction, that's.
Speaker 4: What That's what I'm saying. I didn't.
Speaker 5: I did that for twenty years in the Air Force,
Speaker 5: right it wasn't. It wasn't a navy, But it's the
Speaker 5: same difference, I suppose. But so also I think this
Speaker 5: this film was great in the special effects, right M
Speaker 5: for the eighties, Yeah, it was I think so pretty monumental,
Speaker 5: Uh you know achievements I think they did with some
Speaker 5: real time special effects.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like when the guy goes to like meditate and
Speaker 1: the bad guy shows up and like everything blows away
Speaker 1: and it's just yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive.
Speaker 4: Then there's yeah, there's a lot of those scenes right well.
Speaker 2: To riff off your point, JJ, which I think is
Speaker 2: really good is there's a technical aspect of filmmaking obviously,
Speaker 2: because they were using actual cameras, actual celluloid And I
Speaker 2: think that that plays a big part in technical craftsmanship
Speaker 2: because if you don't do something, how would you know
Speaker 2: how to do it? So if you're relying on digital,
Speaker 2: and I'm not an anti digital, especially for the early
Speaker 2: two thousands, I think it was really cool that there's
Speaker 2: a lot of shows that like have that interesting like
Speaker 2: darker blue kind of filter that you can only really
Speaker 2: do with digital, like handicams and I think that that
Speaker 2: was innovative. But I think, really this is something totally different.
Speaker 2: This is like that. I think this is why you
Speaker 2: like it. I think this is why I like it.
Speaker 2: And it's and I think this ulia like said and
Speaker 2: also Nick, because it's like something classic. It's something that
Speaker 2: we all can refer to. There's a grammar, it's very
Speaker 2: coherent as a film language.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, I'm anti cigyah, so I definitely do.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know what I would compare it to.
Speaker 6: It's like a lot of the movies that come out recently.
Speaker 6: It's like I think I heard somebody else say this too,
Speaker 6: but the Marvel movies and stuff like that, it's like
Speaker 6: it's like going to a theme park and you ride
Speaker 6: the rides and you woo and then it's over with.
Speaker 6: Whereas movies in the eighties and before that obviously, and
Speaker 6: even some movies in the nineties maybe early two thousands,
Speaker 6: they were more like a story. They were more like
Speaker 6: an experience, like a you get like enthralled with it,
Speaker 6: you and it's like it takes you on a journey,
Speaker 6: whereas now it's like kind of just bread and circusy
Speaker 6: type stuff. It's like just fill your mind with this
Speaker 6: garbage and be happy, be with it.
Speaker 5: I mean, oh for sure, it's terrible, right they just
Speaker 5: call it in with writing. Yeah, that's what I was
Speaker 5: getting that when you can just call on Keanu and
Speaker 5: change your entire language of your film and genre of
Speaker 5: your film.
Speaker 4: In two weeks, Like clearly there's a formula these films, right.
Speaker 6: Great, Yeah, And I think the comedy was better back then. Like,
Speaker 6: don't get me wrong, I like super Bad and like
Speaker 6: Jet Appatole movies. I like that kind of comedy because
Speaker 6: I'll watch that stuff too, Pineapple Express, But there was
Speaker 6: something about like the eighties comedy that was like a
Speaker 6: full belly laugh. Like I hate to even say it,
Speaker 6: but eighties movies that I grew up on were like
Speaker 6: The Burbs and Money Pit. I know Tom Jinks is
Speaker 6: a shithead, but like those movies made me laugh so hard.
Speaker 6: All Eddie Murphy movies made me laugh so hard, And
Speaker 6: when I go back and watch them again even now,
Speaker 6: I'm still laughing at the same like five jokes, just
Speaker 6: over and over again, like they're still so funny.
Speaker 5: That's one of the things I love about this movie
Speaker 5: is that he plays Axel Foley basically, so it's like
Speaker 5: Beverly Hills cop, but he's an LA private detective solving
Speaker 5: satanic you know, you know, kidnapping by a satanic cold
Speaker 5: of a young girl. He has some fighting demons, this
Speaker 5: little Tibetan kid that turns out to be a girl.
Speaker 5: I thought that was a was a boy in the film.
Speaker 5: It turns out to be a girl, not trances.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a girl.
Speaker 5: That's a girl. That's a girl. I don't want to
Speaker 5: I want to spoiler alert. They don't tell you that
Speaker 5: in the film though. I just found that out actually
Speaker 5: not that long ago. I could pop up my YouTube feed, like,
Speaker 5: you know, where are they now?
Speaker 4: You know, Golden Golden Child.
Speaker 5: You know, and Eddie Murphy's looking rough, but I like
Speaker 5: Eddie Murphy in the early eighties, you know.
Speaker 4: And again they're like they were like, hey, this is
Speaker 4: the boy.
Speaker 5: From the Golden Child. I'm like, that's a girl. They're
Speaker 5: like yeah, And I was like, oh, that's trans he
Speaker 5: was a girl the entire time. I'm like, well, that's bizarre.
Speaker 6: I didn't whoa Okay, well I did not know that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's a fun fact. I could have swore it was
Speaker 6: a boy, but before.
Speaker 5: I before I played the trailer and uh turned it
Speaker 5: over before I turned it over to y'all for any
Speaker 5: any other comments here to start off the show, did you?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 5: I just want to point out, this is my favorite
Speaker 5: era of Murphy, like you were saying there, Julia, like
Speaker 5: later Murphy I could do without, you know, pre pre
Speaker 5: trans hooker Murphy. You know, I remember that incident in
Speaker 5: the nineties were suddenly Eddie Murphy's associated with all these
Speaker 5: transgendered hookers on the streets of l A.
Speaker 4: And then he.
Speaker 5: Gets busted by the tabloids. Actually he gets busted by
Speaker 5: Entrew Breitbart. He's the one he busted who broke that story.
Speaker 5: And then suddenly these uh is Eddie's friends, Eddie's transgendered
Speaker 5: hooker friends, are getting thrown off the tops of buildings
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, strange tale strange, I mean, was the.
Speaker 6: Uh time that like Boomerang and Vampire in Brooklyn and like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, it was every yeah, everything, I'm good with everything.
Speaker 6: Before that, okay, okay, did.
Speaker 5: Whatever he got into around that time. And to be
Speaker 5: honest with you, I think the reason a lot of
Speaker 5: eighties films, a lot of eighties comedies were so good is.
Speaker 6: Cocaine maybe Harlem Knights.
Speaker 5: Very Cocaine Field. No, I think all these productions like
Speaker 5: very cocaine Field. In fact, Tonight's Tonight's production The Golden
Speaker 5: Child is only you have a one degree of separation
Speaker 5: from Bob Cocaine Evans.
Speaker 4: The production of this film.
Speaker 5: So you're talking Hollywood and you're talking cocaine field nineteen
Speaker 5: eighties films. This is right in the epicenter of that
Speaker 5: wheelhouse because, like I said, it's ultimately the green it's
Speaker 5: the green light of the film from Paramount Pictures is
Speaker 5: the guy that Bob Evans hires to replace him there
Speaker 5: when he gets he gets this independent producer role on
Speaker 5: the lot until eighty one when he gets popped for
Speaker 5: them cocaine trafficking charges and then his buddy Barry Diller
Speaker 5: throws them off a lot is the udge and goes
Speaker 5: and Barry Diyler is.
Speaker 4: A very important character.
Speaker 5: But yeah, he's uh, he was Bob, Bob co cocaine
Speaker 5: Bob's underling.
Speaker 6: So well, I before you play the trailer there, I
Speaker 6: just have to say two things. I get exactly what
Speaker 6: you're saying, but there is a movie he made later
Speaker 6: in life that's called Life. Do you remember that one
Speaker 6: he was older.
Speaker 4: I think with Martin Lawrence.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's still one of my Yeah, still one of
Speaker 6: my faves. I know he was kind of on his
Speaker 6: way out at the time, but I still love that
Speaker 6: movie and unpopular opinion, I actually think his brother is
Speaker 6: funnier than he is. Charlie Murphy. Charlie Murphy, Charlie Murphy.
Speaker 5: Well please, while you're still there talking to Julie, please
Speaker 5: introduce your show since I didn't give you the proper
Speaker 5: time here to do that thus far.
Speaker 6: Oh well thanks. Yeah, I have Cosmic Peach podcast available wherever.
Speaker 6: Really happy to be here tonight because I've been looking
Speaker 6: for somebody to cover this movie with me for two
Speaker 6: years now, and either no one's interested, or they haven't
Speaker 6: seen it, or they don't understand why I think it's significant.
Speaker 6: But so when you mentioned it the other night, I
Speaker 6: was like, if you don't let me on that one,
Speaker 6: I'm going to cry and just be in the comments,
Speaker 6: shitting on you guys the whole time I should have
Speaker 6: been on this one. Fucking you guys.
Speaker 5: I was excited to see that you were so into
Speaker 5: it because this is one of my favorite Films, and
Speaker 5: we kind of we did Big Trouble a Little China
Speaker 5: a few months ago, and the kind of the spin
Speaker 5: off of that is we decided to do this because
Speaker 5: this was the competing Hollywood project too, Big Trouble, Little China,
Speaker 5: and share some of the same actors as Big Trouble,
Speaker 5: Little China, not just Victor Wong, who had a very
Speaker 5: great year.
Speaker 4: He might have had the.
Speaker 5: Best year in Hollywood for an Asian actor north of
Speaker 5: fifty years old.
Speaker 4: He he won that year that category.
Speaker 6: Isn't he chang in the in Trimors?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's the grandfather in the Three Ninjas trilogy, which
Speaker 5: was a big part of my childhood.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I loved Trimors when I was little. And then
Speaker 6: when I was doing the notes today, I was like,
Speaker 6: I put in the side note, I said, did anyone
Speaker 6: else realize that the old guy is changing from Trimmers?
Speaker 5: That old guy, Maam is egg Chen egg Chin's a legend.
Speaker 5: He did and he killed it in this one too.
Speaker 6: Right, Oh yeah, for sure one hundred.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying he was. He was killing it
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty six, a big year that year. So
Speaker 5: and Nick Jen before we play the trailer and start
Speaker 5: to start the show here and he may offer you
Speaker 5: any comments. And what are you all working on over
Speaker 5: there at the Occult Rejects, Nick, I know you're you're
Speaker 5: pumping out new shows every day of the Occult All
Speaker 5: was just out today.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, yeah, yeah, they cult Elvis. That was fun. Actually,
Speaker 1: that was really interesting. Julie was there for that as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were there.
Speaker 4: I was there. I've seen too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally forgot. I'm burnt. Yeah, we had that.
Speaker 4: That's a good show though, I really I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 5: I haven't got a chance to re listen to, but
Speaker 5: the first time I listened to when I was there,
Speaker 5: it was a good show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It spread off to Tuesday World.
Speaker 4: That's right, that is worth Tuesday Weld. I really liked
Speaker 4: that show. That was a good one.
Speaker 5: I was just as excited when you brought up Tuesday
Speaker 5: Weld as you were sounding like as you were excited
Speaker 5: when I brought up The Golden Child.
Speaker 6: It's a full circle moment here for the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 6: It's a full circle We're the dream team at this point.
Speaker 1: I I like that. I like that we got some
Speaker 1: Red Hefer stuff coming out this week.
Speaker 4: So nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some stuff what you did with broadcasting seeds. We
Speaker 1: got that coming out Friday for people listening now, and
Speaker 1: over the weekend we will have for audio listeners. Uh,
Speaker 1: then you probably wouldn't be watching now. But Mormon Mafia
Speaker 1: part for dropping audio.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's a great series. J Jen's involved in
Speaker 5: that one, Archie Jen. What's what's going on over there?
Speaker 7: Gen?
Speaker 4: You hid now is a ninja you're doing ninja stuff.
Speaker 2: Nie, JJ. But thank you so much for inviting you.
Speaker 2: I'd love to do especially this cinema. Oh call reviews.
Speaker 2: This is obviously our second one. And of course my
Speaker 2: boss Nick mister ninety three thirty three, but I'll give
Speaker 2: I'll upgrade him this time.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 2: So I have a I have two notes actually, so
Speaker 2: i'll do those at the end. So this is one
Speaker 2: is about sure Elves. I think it's very interesting. I
Speaker 2: think Julia will be actually interested in it. And if
Speaker 2: Heidi's listening, so shout out Heidi. I think she'll actually
Speaker 2: find it interesting to you. And then I have a
Speaker 2: note about the cutting your hair on waxing and waning
Speaker 2: moon because we talked about this literally yesterday or the other.
Speaker 4: Night I'll just say that that just came up, right.
Speaker 2: That's right. So I have a note about that, so
Speaker 2: I will come back to that. But I have a show,
Speaker 2: Threshold Saints. It's speculative ontology. We're exploring metaphysics through pop culture.
Speaker 2: But it's not like Julia if you watch Julia's show,
Speaker 2: and I obviously want everyone to watch Julia show, but
Speaker 2: it's a different We approach it from different ways. I
Speaker 2: look at everything through parafection and through like a technical
Speaker 2: kind of cabala contra mixture, crazy wild wisdom. So if
Speaker 2: you're interested in that, you can definitely subscribe. And I
Speaker 2: just dropped a three part episode on ralph Blocksheet and
Speaker 2: then I'm also dropping another episode this week, so yeah,
Speaker 2: big thanks for that. But okay, so note about Tuesday Welds.
Speaker 2: So I think what this is. When I was watching
Speaker 2: the episode, I was so excited. Best episode. I think
Speaker 2: one of my favorites, personal favorites. I thought it was
Speaker 2: so phenomenal. Okay, So for Tuesday, I actually think she
Speaker 2: embodied this concept called the Eyeschef Zenuni. So this is
Speaker 2: the sometimes us translated as the Virgin horror, but it
Speaker 2: can also be trans understood as the princess of the klipus.
Speaker 4: So there's a that's a literal virgin, right, right, Jen, Yes.
Speaker 2: Like that, Yeah, because it was all about sex magic, right,
Speaker 2: So you had, but Tuesday would have never participated physically.
Speaker 2: If I'm just saying, if she fills that archetype, there's
Speaker 2: no I hear you.
Speaker 4: I was just being a smart ass. So this is a.
Speaker 2: Totally right, you're totally right. No, No, you're totally right.
Speaker 2: I just was meaning that if she embodies that concept,
Speaker 2: that's why she remained one reason. Maybe you could say
Speaker 2: then the other ones dead end?
Speaker 5: Would you would you say, this is a powerful position
Speaker 5: within a occult network what you're describing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she would have It would have been like the
Speaker 2: highest of the highest. Interesting, it would have been like
Speaker 2: the person who channeled whatever they're channeling.
Speaker 1: Would you be like considering it like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: understand the it's the type of feminine. Would it be
Speaker 1: more of like an empress card instead of netsuck is
Speaker 1: kind of getting in?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's more eosotic with a little hode maybe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, it's released.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that until she got married, she had
Speaker 2: to maintain a like degree of virginity. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that she wasn't involved in sexual things. I'm sure that
Speaker 2: what she did I actually kind of knows. I'll just
Speaker 2: say it is that I think what she was directed
Speaker 2: the sexual activities of other people. That's how I would
Speaker 2: understand it in a more technical way. Obviously, I don't
Speaker 2: think of things as sex magic or whatever. I've just
Speaker 2: been looking at it more technically, so I think she
Speaker 2: would sort of channel the daikini or whatever they're doing,
Speaker 2: the feminine, divine force. But her mind is virginal, so
Speaker 2: she doesn't you know, she's not the horror. Particularly, she's
Speaker 2: a virgin horror. So she maybe direct sexual actions of
Speaker 2: people around her, but she's not herself well that engaged.
Speaker 4: I didn't describe Tuesday Weill's activity. She's very much the.
Speaker 1: Director, a p didyt his buddy.
Speaker 5: It's like how cocaine Bob Evans brought together the lovely
Speaker 5: couple of Room and Polanski and Sharon Tate in nuptials,
Speaker 5: only for Sharon Tate to you know, on her on
Speaker 5: Town with Demise. I often wonder was that the plan going.
Speaker 6: In pulling the strings behind?
Speaker 5: And that that is correct me. I mean I would
Speaker 5: say that's Tuesday. Well, and I'm glad you brought that
Speaker 5: up there, Jen, because tonight's discussion includes satannic cold activity
Speaker 5: in and around Los Angeles, California, which is where she'd
Speaker 5: be pulling them strings from. So and I think there's
Speaker 5: a good tie into that to that whole scene with
Speaker 5: this whole film, not as much as the comparison and
Speaker 5: I just did here with a dragonet in the comparison
Speaker 5: of the processed church activities and around Los Angeles Hera
Speaker 5: nineteen eighties. I highly recommend that, but there'll be more
Speaker 5: satanic cold activity and weird blood rituals. But on that note,
Speaker 5: we will watch the trailer here and get back to
Speaker 5: uh unpacking these ideas here.
Speaker 9: In one moment, every thousand generations, a perfect child is born,
Speaker 9: a child with magical powers, a child sent to.
Speaker 6: Bring good into the world, a goodly child.
Speaker 10: And now this child has been kidnapped by the forces
Speaker 10: of evil, as foretold by the Nietzschung Oracle.
Speaker 1: Only one man can.
Speaker 10: Find him, only one man can rescue him.
Speaker 1: He is a man from a city of angels.
Speaker 10: He has a man who does what he's writing to,
Speaker 10: A brave man, a true man, it is his destiny
Speaker 10: to save a golden child. He is chosen plot.
Speaker 5: If I'm the chosen one, how come I'm.
Speaker 4: Freezing while you're sitting in the one movie theater. I'm
Speaker 4: going back to la and kicking somebody's bahar. This isn't
Speaker 4: supposed to be happening to me, chosen one, my behave?
Speaker 4: Why can somebody choose me to go to the Bahamas? Hawaii?
Speaker 4: Is nice? You can send me to Vegas a chosen way.
Speaker 6: I love it?
Speaker 5: Right it describes the whole movie and the plotline of
Speaker 5: the film, and and he breaks the fourth wall, which
Speaker 5: is which I thought was great.
Speaker 11: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: But it's also like when when it starts at the
Speaker 6: beginning and all the serious stuff, like wouldn't who wouldn't
Speaker 6: want to watch that movie?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 6: Very Yeah, it's so mysterious you want to see more,
Speaker 6: and then it's in with the comedy. I mean, geez,
Speaker 6: what else can you ask for?
Speaker 5: Definitely grasp your attention to Meily, right m m. It
Speaker 5: turns out that's not too bad. That's Mammoth Lakes, California.
Speaker 5: But strangely enough, they did a great job of that too.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Well, I do want to point out this is obviously
Speaker 2: one of my notes, but the idea of the Golden Child,
Speaker 2: right off the bat, this is this is an actual
Speaker 2: Buddhist idea, but it is also a theosophical idea. So
Speaker 2: I just want to be very clear that when I'm
Speaker 2: going to discuss that, I'm going to refer to actual
Speaker 2: Buddhist ideas, but I'm aware of the theosophical ideas as well,
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's bad because it's theosophical. I
Speaker 2: think we're a way, we're all kind of past that,
Speaker 2: you know, we we can look at things for you know,
Speaker 2: the values are truth that they may hold or the false.
Speaker 5: Said sure, sure, but obviously a lot of this falls
Speaker 5: around the ideas of Tibetan Buddhism.
Speaker 4: As the main.
Speaker 5: Character here Axel Foley, they call Axle, they call them,
Speaker 5: you know something else in this film, but it's clearly
Speaker 5: Axl fully.
Speaker 4: And Chandler Jerl, Chandler Jerald, right, which is a nod.
Speaker 5: I guess to the the story that this is kind
Speaker 5: of based off of this crime noir story that involves Tibet,
Speaker 5: So I guess he went through some rewrites in Hollywood,
Speaker 5: but end up including which I think is interesting because
Speaker 5: it didn't initially include a satanic cult. That was something
Speaker 5: they added on along the way.
Speaker 6: Well, this is what's interesting to me. And when I
Speaker 6: cover movies, I usually try to like go from the
Speaker 6: opening scene all the way through the body of the
Speaker 6: movie to the title or the end sequence whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and so my first note is that it opens up
Speaker 6: in Tibet, and the significance of Tibet. I feel like
Speaker 6: it's kind of obvious, just because there have been so
Speaker 6: many occultists who were in inspired or channeled beings that
Speaker 6: were from Tibet, including Madam Blovotsky, Alster Crowley, Alice Bailey.
Speaker 6: They all said that they channeled beings, Tibetan beings, and
Speaker 6: there was even an expedition. Hitler actually put together this
Speaker 6: expedition and it was like some of the best soldiers
Speaker 6: he had, and he sent them to Tibet, and that's
Speaker 6: where they brought back the sigil er symbol of the swastika,
Speaker 6: and they hijacked it to do what they did with it.
Speaker 6: But so Hitler, Madam Blovotsky, Alster Crowley, and Alice Bailey
Speaker 6: all had an obsession with Tibet.
Speaker 4: Don't forget Rich peg. The list goes on, right, the
Speaker 4: list goes.
Speaker 6: On, Yes, there is.
Speaker 4: A strange fascination with the you know it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll add this because obviously I practice Paultreana, so
Speaker 2: I will say it's it's sorcery. I mean, like, if
Speaker 2: you're interested in magic, it's a it's a really great
Speaker 2: system and it combined Buddhist but it's all Buddhist ideas,
Speaker 2: so you're not really June in wizards, right, So you're
Speaker 2: you're using your mind, You're using the conceptual ideas of sorcery,
Speaker 2: especially like that. You know, every we always laugh, I
Speaker 2: always tease, like the dharma practitioners who aren't Asian because
Speaker 2: obviously I'm half half, so we call them Westoid. So
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna use that really quickly. But it's not
Speaker 2: in a pejorative but there.
Speaker 4: Is sounds like it, Bro, what are you talking about
Speaker 4: that pejorative?
Speaker 2: Well, it's because I'm a west Joy too, really, right,
Speaker 2: because like you know.
Speaker 4: Your self identified Westwood.
Speaker 5: It just sounds it sounds like a negative you know,
Speaker 5: some sort of negative derogatory statement.
Speaker 12: Right, you're absolutely, But I think that we I think
Speaker 12: that I like the idea that it could be like
Speaker 12: you could say the word is like just a vessel
Speaker 12: that it can contain, like any idea that we want.
Speaker 2: So I'm like being very discordion I guess, but felf
Speaker 2: preferentially using it.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie to you. Jen you could convince
Speaker 4: me you just made that word up. I have no idea.
Speaker 4: I have the first time I've.
Speaker 2: Ever heard it, so it's very online. It's very like
Speaker 2: probably is it ken it isn't keno? Keino?
Speaker 5: It definitely that word too recently, I still haven't really
Speaker 5: grasped the concept.
Speaker 4: That's why I have to keep asking, is that keno?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 2: You know you always say it's like it's true keino.
Speaker 2: That's the real that's the real way to do it.
Speaker 2: And if you're really cool like me, you do the
Speaker 2: U you do with a V, so you do like
Speaker 2: true keino but it's all lowercase, and then you do
Speaker 2: like ko ki n o.
Speaker 5: I appreciate, but I'm not sure if I'm any closer
Speaker 5: to understanding what is or is not keno.
Speaker 4: So I probably can contain to ask these.
Speaker 2: Questions that it just means. Is it really aesthetic? Is
Speaker 2: it beautiful? Is it like capturing? I kind of the
Speaker 2: light has to be captured in a specific way. You
Speaker 2: can almost say a realistic way. There's like filtered through,
Speaker 2: like layers of maybe their gradients of color on the screen.
Speaker 2: So it's like anything that's really beautiful, like a sunset,
Speaker 2: can be very key. Now that doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: on the screen.
Speaker 5: I think I'd be cracking. I have a very keynote
Speaker 5: scene on deck here force in a few minutes from
Speaker 5: the film. I think, I think when I bring it up,
Speaker 5: I think you'll know what I'm talking about. So this
Speaker 5: the film goes into bed right, so we already automatically
Speaker 5: right at the start of the film, we see this
Speaker 5: Tibetan Buddhism is the is the root of this the
Speaker 5: story with this this young child.
Speaker 4: Right they you know, they're they're they're.
Speaker 5: He's hanging out in the temple right when we get
Speaker 5: when he gets uh, what do we call it kidnapped
Speaker 5: or budden apped?
Speaker 4: What do we calling this?
Speaker 6: Yeah, kidnapped?
Speaker 4: It's not a Buddha alert on everyone's cell phones.
Speaker 6: Golden napped?
Speaker 4: Well, get my deities mixed up? Jen is it not
Speaker 4: at alert?
Speaker 2: He you could say he's a he's like a Tolku
Speaker 2: which Tolku is like a reincarnated lama. It's like a
Speaker 2: lama from a previous rebirth or or a saint or
Speaker 2: a Maha sitter or an accomplished master. And so not
Speaker 2: all schools of Tibetan Buddhism believe in it, but this
Speaker 2: film in particular is very syncretic. Now it is really
Speaker 2: important to know that the consultant Ken McLeod wrote a
Speaker 2: like it's famous in Badriana circle, so he wrote the
Speaker 2: Magic of Adriana, so he he gets it. He even
Speaker 2: says like I have the wisdom and understanding, like he
Speaker 2: that's the exact words he uses. So he gets it,
Speaker 2: like he's like he's in that clear view whatever he
Speaker 2: calls it like a lot of the time anyway, So
Speaker 2: he he did not train in the specific school that
Speaker 2: this is excuse me, sorry, that believes in Tolku's but
Speaker 2: obviously it's drawing from multiple different schools of Buddhism. So
Speaker 2: you can see this in the first scene with the
Speaker 2: yellow hats, so this is the majority sect. This is
Speaker 2: the Golucus school. So when they're wearing the yellow tall
Speaker 2: yellow hats, that signifies usually what school they belong to.
Speaker 2: And it's also interesting to note that the Yellow Hats,
Speaker 2: the Yellow Hat Shamans are also a faction of Shamans
Speaker 2: in Mongolia. So a lot of this has like Mongolian
Speaker 2: kind of like CenTra. It's very Central Asian the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It's not just Tibetan, Like Tibet used to be a
Speaker 2: huge empire right at one time. So that's why it's
Speaker 2: kind of like it was a large land like that
Speaker 2: range really from Mongolia, Manchuria well into almost Western Asia.
Speaker 5: So is this a yellow Hats you speak of anything
Speaker 5: new with the Yellow Dragons, Well, it is interesting the
Speaker 5: gang we see later in the film, it certainly could have.
Speaker 4: You know, Temmy Tongks runs a place down at the restaurant.
Speaker 2: Well, there's is clearly like an overlap. I think I
Speaker 2: think there's like a motif like dragons are not they're
Speaker 2: they're they're usually auspicious, meaning like lucky, so they're not inauspicious,
Speaker 2: but there are a symbol of like power and strength,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, dragons, and so.
Speaker 4: We've got a lot of dragons here to I don't.
Speaker 2: We a lot of naugas for sure.
Speaker 4: You even have a half dragon half lady, right, Yeah, there.
Speaker 6: Is one Well, you know what it reminded me of actually,
Speaker 6: just hearing Gin talk about it a little bit, I'm
Speaker 6: like halfway retarded when it comes to like anything other
Speaker 6: than just like the basics of like Buddhism, this that
Speaker 6: like I studied, like the surface level of stuff. But
Speaker 6: what it reminded me of was, did you ever watch
Speaker 6: Avatar The Last Airbender? And it's like this kid that
Speaker 6: keeps getting reincarnated and he's got like all the power
Speaker 6: and they have to train him and he's born every
Speaker 6: like one hundred years or something like that. It reminded
Speaker 6: me a lot of the story of the Golden Child.
Speaker 6: For anybody else who watched that show. I liked it
Speaker 6: when it was like a nineties Nickelodeon thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm doing right now, Julia, that's so really yeah,
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is what he is. That's a very
Speaker 2: good understanding of like he's an Airbender.
Speaker 1: He's he's like a.
Speaker 2: Rebirth of someone who had you could say, quote unquote
Speaker 2: magical powers. We would call them like cities or like
Speaker 2: spiritual accomplishments more than magic powers. And so he's reincarnated
Speaker 2: into a Golden Child. So that's worth exploring. But I'll
Speaker 2: let I'll let you decide where you want to take
Speaker 2: a JJ, but I'm ready with that when you want
Speaker 2: to go there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we'll get back for sure. I appreciate that, Jim.
Speaker 5: We'll get back to Tibet and chronological order from the film.
Speaker 5: I think because they kidnapped, we don't really understand who
Speaker 5: this child is, the Golden Child, right, we just see him.
Speaker 4: We go there.
Speaker 5: It starts off into Bet like you point out, Julia,
Speaker 5: and then this kid gets kid he gets booed and
Speaker 5: apt and then next thing you know, he's in Los.
Speaker 6: Angeles and that's where we get introduced to Chandler Jerrell,
Speaker 6: who is Eddie Murphy. And yeah, well I do have
Speaker 6: a just I like to point out though, some of
Speaker 6: the funniest parts in the movie as we go along
Speaker 6: and the opening of you know, it shows like the
Speaker 6: Hollywood sign and you know, like, okay, we're no longer
Speaker 6: in Tibet, this is the transition. Now we're in Hollywood,
Speaker 6: and it just shows him walking down the street and
Speaker 6: he comes up behind a guy reading chunky Asses at.
Speaker 5: The Yeah, we don't have those anywhere doing the old newstands, right.
Speaker 6: I just thought I've always thought that was one of
Speaker 6: the funniest parts of the movie. He's like ass pie, right.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, when I watched it recently, I
Speaker 1: was like.
Speaker 6: I don't remember that, chunky asses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't remember that.
Speaker 6: Because this is the moment where we first meet Chandler Jerrol.
Speaker 6: I have in my notes here. I looked at all
Speaker 6: the names, but this is the only name that kind
Speaker 6: of stood out to me, Chandler. That name means candle maker,
Speaker 6: so I don't know if that's significant, but maybe. But
Speaker 6: his last name, Jerrel means spear ruler or rule by
Speaker 6: the spear. So we have two different things that kind
Speaker 6: of make sense for why his name might be Chandler
Speaker 6: Jerrel because he's like the chosen one. Maybe he's like
Speaker 6: the light in the dark place. He's you know, the
Speaker 6: candle and then he's the spear ruler. And then we
Speaker 6: get in we see this spear later on in the movie.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think, you know, even down to the names,
Speaker 6: you can kind of pull cool stuff.
Speaker 4: Out of that.
Speaker 2: So to payback or to riff, I'll call it riffing
Speaker 2: if and but it was a great point. And so
Speaker 2: the spear wielding thing is really interesting because I also
Speaker 2: noted that, and because that is the golden child. So
Speaker 2: in especially in theosophy, so the golden child is based
Speaker 2: off of the Puranic figure. So when I'm saying Piranhas,
Speaker 2: that's a kind of Hindu scripture that was written between
Speaker 2: about the first century eighty till about the tenth century. See,
Speaker 2: so these aren't the vitas, but this is what more,
Speaker 2: this is what my Hinduism really is based on. So
Speaker 2: what people call Hinduism now is not really Vedic. It's
Speaker 2: really based on Kuranas, which is fine, nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: So there's a Shiva, so everybody knows Shiva. He's he's blue,
Speaker 2: he's ferocious, he has three lines on his forehead. They
Speaker 2: worship him usually with a lingam, meaning like it's kind
Speaker 2: of a phallic stone. Anyways, he has a son with
Speaker 2: his wife, whose name is Shokti sometimes, and they have
Speaker 2: a son named Kumara, which literally means the sun. So
Speaker 2: he wields a spear in his right hand. Now, the
Speaker 2: reason why he does this is very important because he
Speaker 2: throws away the left hand texts into sort of the
Speaker 2: primordial water where they get swallowed by a giant whale.
Speaker 2: So there's an idea here that the kumara, so a
Speaker 2: person who is thus reborn, but it's really an avatar
Speaker 2: of this deity, can retrieve these left hand path texts,
Speaker 2: thus unifying synthesizing you could say the world tree or
Speaker 2: the universe or conceptual mind with like nonconceptual thinking. Like
Speaker 2: it's like a theosophical kind of like christ consciousness sort
Speaker 2: of idea, Like they're talking about it like it could
Speaker 2: be literal, but then there's also an idea that it
Speaker 2: could also be maybe just a process of consciousness.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure.
Speaker 5: You again, what's this theosophical stuff? You guys keep coming on?
Speaker 5: I saw you shake your head?
Speaker 4: Nick? What was this? What's all this business about?
Speaker 1: And I just thought that was interesting getting into narcissism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think it's interesting about that?
Speaker 1: So thinking about covering that myself recently.
Speaker 4: What do you think about it? That's interesting?
Speaker 5: Let's say to the story here, the narrative of the
Speaker 5: tales of the Golden Child, you know, the a cult
Speaker 5: understanding of these things, right, because that is this concept
Speaker 5: of a golden child, is that in the theosophical folklore talking.
Speaker 1: Well, this stuff is I would think the.
Speaker 2: Jin Well, it's definitely in theosophy, like it's sheep bulbots.
Speaker 2: He's definitely Alice Bailey definitely talks about it like Nick
Speaker 2: suit Golden right, Yeah, and there's a it's a gnostic
Speaker 2: idea too, it's the seth or the atom, although in
Speaker 2: this case it's really the seth because Seth is the sun. Right.
Speaker 2: So this is like a child, so they can't be generative,
Speaker 2: meaning that like a father is a fully masculine force,
Speaker 2: he's generative, but a son isn't necessarily generative depending on
Speaker 2: their age. So that's why they that's why they call
Speaker 2: it a child. So I mean when when you guys
Speaker 2: have covered like the you know, we always talk about
Speaker 2: archetypes and how it's so important in magic that people
Speaker 2: embody certain traits. While child can be both male and female.
Speaker 2: In a way, it's heard they're hermetic by themselves because
Speaker 2: they're non generative because they're a child. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of like the perfect vessel if you want to think
Speaker 2: of it in a really theosophical way. The golden vessel
Speaker 2: is like if you look at Catholic images. I've talked
Speaker 2: to Nick about this million times, but like the Sacred
Speaker 2: Heart images, I've talked to you JJ million times about this,
Speaker 2: But the sacred Heart image is the perfect idea of it.
Speaker 2: It's the golden heart. So that's the golden vessel, the
Speaker 2: golden child, and the kumara. So the idea is that
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 4: You're talking like a rosen Krucian heart. Does that ever
Speaker 4: come on the roads?
Speaker 2: Very similar? It's all very interrelated, like there's a I
Speaker 2: think there's deep connections to all these things. I mean,
Speaker 2: I personally look at everything more axial or I don't
Speaker 2: like the word perennial, but sometimes people understand what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. What if I call it that? So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they're all interrelated, and I think theosophy's lifting
Speaker 2: like a superficial layer and they're making connections. I don't
Speaker 2: all agree with them, but I don't fully discard it either,
Speaker 2: because I think that they're also talking about something really
Speaker 2: interesting and something also they are talking about like gnostic ideas,
Speaker 2: but they're also ideas, and you know, they go beyond that.
Speaker 2: There's obviously this whole film is about TNTRA, but you
Speaker 2: could read it in a very sort of like theosophical
Speaker 2: Buddhist kind of way, like a sort of mixture of
Speaker 2: the two and that would totally make sense too. And
Speaker 2: because there they all, all of them see this kind
Speaker 2: of backdrop as very similar and obviously theosophy lays like
Speaker 2: a kind of narrative groundwork for them to build off of. Now,
Speaker 2: Ken McLeod was one of the who is the consultant
Speaker 2: for this film, very famous dharma author.
Speaker 4: Well, I can already he's a Scott's irishman.
Speaker 2: He is, he is. He even has an accent JJ,
Speaker 2: but he he is. He was one of the last
Speaker 2: people to be trained in the pre modern Tibetan way.
Speaker 2: So he was like, there aren't very many teachers that
Speaker 2: were trained like that, like before the advent of like selfans,
Speaker 2: Like his teacher didn't even know what those things really were.
Speaker 5: They were told it was more of a genuine source
Speaker 5: instead of a kind of the bastardization of some of
Speaker 5: the concepts.
Speaker 4: I suppose what you're.
Speaker 2: Saying right right, So he is drawing from like a
Speaker 2: real layer. Now he as most vet Buddhists are open
Speaker 2: to looking at seeds and other places, but it requires
Speaker 2: a high degree of discernment, just like it would in
Speaker 2: a cabalistic way. So you the whole idea is like
Speaker 2: rectify the words as they are or as you make them.
Speaker 2: And so I'm saying words and I know that's kind
Speaker 2: of meta, but the words are really important. And so
Speaker 2: this comes up a lot in the film obviously, because
Speaker 2: you see like the sigils, the tan seed syllables, you
Speaker 2: see soundscript writing covering the walls. Obviously this is like,
Speaker 2: this is a big part of Buddhist magic is the word.
Speaker 2: So you can even hear right away. There's even a
Speaker 2: relationship with Christianity. So there's no there's really there's something
Speaker 2: similar between all the different kinds of magic, because that's
Speaker 2: really all it is.
Speaker 5: Sure, No, I have a couple I have a couple
Speaker 5: of scenes with some of that the schedules you're talking about,
Speaker 5: we can see some of that stuff. I know what
Speaker 5: you mean, Julie about the names and stuff. I definitely
Speaker 5: agree with you. One of the weird names in this film, though,
Speaker 5: is the the valain here that the demon devil fellow
Speaker 5: old Sardo Numsa right?
Speaker 4: Does that?
Speaker 5: Does that name have any gnostic meanings? In this Golden
Speaker 5: Child references? Nick, what do you what is his name?
Speaker 5: What do you make of the name Sardo Numsa?
Speaker 1: One thing I did look up is specifically with that name,
Speaker 1: is that him's his name in Chandler Jerrell, both equal
Speaker 1: the same, both equal one English Jamatra.
Speaker 4: Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, some deep trimatria there in comparison thing, because that's
Speaker 5: a that's a weird ass name, right, Sardo numsa.
Speaker 1: Real real quick just to like even get some of
Speaker 1: my stuff out that. Yeah, you're talking. There's just certain
Speaker 1: things that got brought up that I want to try
Speaker 1: to cover. When you mentioned the I guess theosophy I
Speaker 1: started one of the things. The reason for that that
Speaker 1: piqued my interest is because I do think this movie
Speaker 1: has Cabbalistic attributes to it, and I do think if
Speaker 1: you're into that, if you're into the Hamitic Kabala, especially
Speaker 1: like put put it this way, if you're into Thalima
Speaker 1: or kind of like looking at the way Crowley would
Speaker 1: do stuff, you'll pull from different areas. So it's like
Speaker 1: you could use Buddhism as an image because you can
Speaker 1: still convey the message with the way things match up
Speaker 1: on the Tree of life, you know, hermetically and cabbalistically.
Speaker 1: So I do think like you could you know, be
Speaker 1: you could be using the Tree of life and using
Speaker 1: Norse gods to tell the story or Greek gods the story. Sure,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: I put that in my notes to Nick. I think
Speaker 6: the exact same.
Speaker 1: Thing, and I do think what you're saying, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I do think it might.
Speaker 5: Be today starring Keanu Reeves inspired possibly itself like the movie.
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons is yeah. And one of
Speaker 1: the reasons yeah, why I wanted to mention that you
Speaker 1: had mentioned it, you know, Jin had mentioned it earlier,
Speaker 1: and I was like, fuck it. Maybe I should have
Speaker 1: just got my Jamatrius stuff off at the beginning, because
Speaker 1: sometimes it can get boring. But he called me missed
Speaker 1: the ninety three and then thirty three. Golden Child in
Speaker 1: English equals ninety three. It also Saturn, Vishnu moonshock, yeah
Speaker 1: equals cash. But tell, I found this interesting, and I
Speaker 1: tried telling people this, this is why people were so
Speaker 1: obsessed with it. Hawked tua also equals ninety three. Uh
Speaker 1: it really yeah, and out of distance of society and
Speaker 1: Golden Child in Hebrew equals one to seventy. I found
Speaker 1: that interesting. You still get a seventeen and then in
Speaker 1: ninety three in the sense, and that does an equal
Speaker 1: moon lamb of God in hand of God in April.
Speaker 1: And do you find that interesting going with Golden Child
Speaker 1: when it comes to.
Speaker 4: With the what's the significance there with April and the
Speaker 4: Golden Child?
Speaker 1: Well, the golden child in my opinion, even when it
Speaker 1: comes to you, Kabbala, this fhear of tifferent matches gold.
Speaker 1: You know that's related with the sun. And the specific
Speaker 1: image that you can even use for that is a child.
Speaker 4: So I was gonna ask about images because what's going
Speaker 4: on here?
Speaker 13: Right?
Speaker 4: Anyone interrupt you? But I feel like there's a lot
Speaker 4: going on with this image.
Speaker 6: I said the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting, JJ, because you can say that throughout
Speaker 2: the film they also refer to Eddie Murphy as the
Speaker 2: chosen One. So who really is the Golden Child? Like,
Speaker 2: who really is the Golden Child? Is it just like
Speaker 2: a production out words? Is that with that little Asian
Speaker 2: kid who is Filipino by the way, not even Tibetan, but.
Speaker 4: And and not a boy, that's definitely girl.
Speaker 2: Well, it's very hermetic, it feels it almost to me
Speaker 2: is someone who's interested in like hermetic Kabala. It does
Speaker 2: feel like a deliberate choice a girl who appears as
Speaker 2: a boy.
Speaker 4: Oh oh, I see now, I wasn't even thinking of that.
Speaker 4: Nick Nicks checking his area. What do you all got on?
Speaker 4: What do you all got on?
Speaker 1: That would be very old like I mean even even
Speaker 1: even the old man with you know, wiping the boogerund
Speaker 1: his ship when he was outside with the dude, I
Speaker 1: think was it at one point? Was he wearing like
Speaker 1: orange at some point?
Speaker 4: That's even want to watch it? I got that clip
Speaker 4: right here to watch.
Speaker 1: I would even say that's kind of like where a
Speaker 1: jokes that would land to as well.
Speaker 4: On hood he's a trickster character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they already he's the magician. He's gone there
Speaker 1: and come back. So he kind of realizes, like the
Speaker 1: world is a joke to a sense.
Speaker 5: This is the first this is the first time old
Speaker 5: actual Acxule Foley meets this old wizard man Victor Wong.
Speaker 4: But you're right, he does have some ore engine here.
Speaker 4: I think he's got some red.
Speaker 5: But which is it's kind of the same color as
Speaker 5: I was thinking of this back background of this image.
Speaker 1: Right of the left plor too that would be orange,
Speaker 1: black and uh red.
Speaker 5: Let's let's watch this this quick clip of when these
Speaker 5: two meet in the film. It's quite comical.
Speaker 4: Hey, wait a second, you took a hundred. You took
Speaker 4: the hundred. No, that's no seed.
Speaker 11: One dollar see one dollars for you see the George Washington.
Speaker 11: That's Benjamin Franklin. That's not happening. You've just you got
Speaker 11: the wrong money. Can I have my money back?
Speaker 4: And you gave me the.
Speaker 11: Wrong necklace too?
Speaker 4: Breaking my hot ash wipe?
Speaker 11: Well you speak English just fine, so a lot of it.
Speaker 11: Hey listen, man, give me one hundred back, take this
Speaker 11: dollar and take this to give me.
Speaker 9: The right one monkey breath, puke face, eat of turtlesteime.
Speaker 4: Uh, okay, tell you what, Just give me my shit.
Speaker 3: You take your ship.
Speaker 2: I watch Scotch Pocket.
Speaker 4: Okay, you slick shit. Hits that Victor Wong, he's a character.
Speaker 1: At some point when he's wearing his hat. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure he's an orange, like an orange.
Speaker 4: Yeah maybe in this side of the temple. I have that.
Speaker 4: I have that clip as well.
Speaker 5: He turns into a bird there right, which I don't
Speaker 5: know all this bird stuff with the cultism or not
Speaker 5: or any esoterically, but there's a bird guide in this film,
Speaker 5: and then that dude turns into a bird at one point,
Speaker 5: so I thought that was kind of strange.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 6: The first miracle though, that he performs at the very
Speaker 6: beginning of the movie is resurrect it's a bird, the
Speaker 6: dead parrot. But it's that parrot, the same parrot that
Speaker 6: follows him throughout the movie that the Wong guy transforms into.
Speaker 6: So he's actually the parrot from the beginning of the
Speaker 6: movie because if you, yeah, if you notice, like right
Speaker 6: as they kidnap him, that parrot fly out the door,
Speaker 6: and then it follows him throughout the movie, and then
Speaker 6: he turns into the little Asian guy at the market,
Speaker 6: and that's the first time you realize the parrot is
Speaker 6: actually this shaman guy's for lack of a better term,
Speaker 6: but I was gonna say, it's interesting that they chose
Speaker 6: a girl to play a boy in this movie, or
Speaker 6: however you want to think about it, because and then
Speaker 6: Jen said that she was Filipino and not even whatever
Speaker 6: Tibetan or whatever there's whatever he's supposed to be. But
Speaker 6: Night Shamalan did that same shit when he did the
Speaker 6: live action version of Avatar the Last Airbender, because it
Speaker 6: was supposed to be an Asian boy, and the cartoon
Speaker 6: is like an Asian cartoon. I don't think it's Japanese,
Speaker 6: but it might be. But anyways, he picked a white kid,
Speaker 6: and he also changed the race of like all the
Speaker 6: different tribes and like made one tribe like people from India,
Speaker 6: and he made another tribe like all Caucasians. And he
Speaker 6: basically took the idea and he like switched it all
Speaker 6: up and made it weird, and people hated that because
Speaker 6: it didn't follow the story like the cartoon. But I
Speaker 6: do think it's interesting because it's like the same idea
Speaker 6: of this Last Airbender, you know, the Avatar, and he's
Speaker 6: supposed to be this and that he took the character,
Speaker 6: made it a white kid, and then changed all the
Speaker 6: other races throughout the tribes. So I don't know, it
Speaker 6: could be significant in some way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah, for sure. I wanted that's a great point, Julia.
Speaker 2: I want to just pick you out riff off that
Speaker 2: and talk about the parrot for a moment. And this
Speaker 2: is a really significant contric kind of bird because it
Speaker 2: is one of the well in Tandre at least it
Speaker 2: is considered to be the only bird that can mimic
Speaker 2: human speech. So it is the if you want to
Speaker 2: liken it to like a goddess that you can then
Speaker 2: google or look up an image of her. It's called Matongi. Interestingly,
Speaker 2: the rap artist Mia also had an album called Matonghi.
Speaker 2: So it is the goddess who is very tiphoretic. So
Speaker 2: there's another tipperatic element actually in the naga kanya. So
Speaker 2: you guys were talking about before the snake woman or
Speaker 2: the snake Princess, that's what she was, Draga the dragon lady.
Speaker 2: She's a natriten. So this is like this is a
Speaker 2: traditional idea, is that a naga kanya can tell is
Speaker 2: like a prophet or a seer, like someone who has
Speaker 2: like because they're in both worlds. A naga lives in
Speaker 2: the subtle world, meaning like the spirit world, but a
Speaker 2: man lives or a person lives in the human world
Speaker 2: and the animal world. So she's like half and half,
Speaker 2: so she's like liminal, so she's able to access maybe
Speaker 2: more spiritual knowledge.
Speaker 4: Interesting, what are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 5: Common here we got Golden Child brings to mind the
Speaker 5: Golden Boy and Jade Girl of Chinese Miss Servants of
Speaker 5: the jade Emperor who said to Guy, the good people
Speaker 5: to paradise.
Speaker 2: This is a great Yeah, this is a book comment. Sorry,
Speaker 2: it's very it's very KEYO. Yeah. Well, okay. So the
Speaker 2: Buddhist idea is that it's they're the servants of guan Yin.
Speaker 2: So if you look at Daoist depictions, not Buddhist depictions,
Speaker 2: but Diwist depictions of her, she'll be with the two children.
Speaker 2: So the Jade girl is obviously that's the stone of us,
Speaker 2: stone of nut SoC and the and then the Golden Boy.
Speaker 2: He is tiporetic, but because he's a child, he's it's
Speaker 2: like a ono for a ship like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's what that's what it is. He's like he's he's
Speaker 2: going on the path from Hod to the Sun, from
Speaker 2: Hoe to different basically nice.
Speaker 1: You know, since we were speaking Cabala real quick, I just.
Speaker 2: In there.
Speaker 1: Jj uh. At some point later on in the movie,
Speaker 1: this lady Keenang, however you say your name, she does
Speaker 1: have like a green I don't know if it's jade,
Speaker 1: but she does have like a green necklace on at
Speaker 1: some point, and I do think again because of the child,
Speaker 1: I think is is Tifferate. I do think that some
Speaker 1: point he Eddie Murphy is playing Hoad, and I do
Speaker 1: think she's playing Netsuck. And I do think you actually
Speaker 1: see like in a sense throughout the movie. I do
Speaker 1: think it's actually crossing the ambiss and coming back, you know,
Speaker 1: and fighting the demons as part of it.
Speaker 5: You know that story in Green's associated with that the
Speaker 5: color of green or the stone of or jade or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well to show, yeah, she would be Netsuck, which
Speaker 1: would be the which would be a female green sphere
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the tree, right underneath the golden child.
Speaker 1: And then you have Eddie Murphy, I think would be
Speaker 1: the guy on the left, the black pillar, but the
Speaker 1: orange guy, you know, the orange feah, you know. And
Speaker 1: I do think they throughout the story. I think they
Speaker 1: go up the tree. I think you see a progression
Speaker 1: going up the tree. And I do think like the
Speaker 1: parrot or whatever that bird is, that rainbow bird could
Speaker 1: possibly be the rainbow that emanates from netsc to Hoad.
Speaker 1: There was a that And I also, like from my
Speaker 1: own experience, I had wondered if if it is a
Speaker 1: story of crossing the abyss and going up the tree
Speaker 1: of life, could that be like the rainbow bridge that
Speaker 1: you will witness before you bless the.
Speaker 2: Following the whole way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is a rainbow bird, very rainbowie mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: So we're talking dragon ladies, we're talking all this Eastern
Speaker 5: mysticism stuff. I got a clip relative to the film
Speaker 5: Your nine is one. In fact, it is indeed a
Speaker 5: clip from the film, and it describes all these things,
Speaker 5: the Golden childs, the Chosen Ones, the dragon ladies, and uh,
Speaker 5: I'll bring that up for right now.
Speaker 11: So if something happens to the kid, the whole world
Speaker 11: goes to hell.
Speaker 8: The world will become hell.
Speaker 11: Ah, not far from that.
Speaker 4: Now, listen, who would want to take the kid anyway?
Speaker 4: Those who want evil rather than good?
Speaker 11: Can you be a little bit more specific?
Speaker 8: We do not know what took him.
Speaker 11: Well, could you tell me why the people took him
Speaker 11: and trying to make him eat blood?
Speaker 10: Nothing in this world will hurt him, but if you
Speaker 10: were to pollute himself with anything impure, he would become vulnerable.
Speaker 11: Okay, So if they if he eats the blood, they
Speaker 11: could kill him. Yes, Oh, do you have.
Speaker 8: Any other questions?
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I do.
Speaker 11: What are you doing this weekend? Because your silhouette is
Speaker 11: kicking plays in maraccas too.
Speaker 8: This is the Chosen One?
Speaker 4: Yes, if people certainly do put on a good show.
Speaker 11: Where'd you find her at?
Speaker 14: She's the librarian at the sea, the repository, a percussine.
Speaker 14: She was blown to help us, she said, three hundred
Speaker 14: days old.
Speaker 11: How she managed that one one of her ancestors strapped.
Speaker 8: By a dragon?
Speaker 4: Does that happen a lot with you?
Speaker 5: For so three hundred year dragon? You know, three hundred
Speaker 5: year old dragon? Rapes aside? You know, we we got
Speaker 5: a good good sight picture there on what's going on
Speaker 5: with this narrative here with the Golden Child and the
Speaker 5: Chosen One?
Speaker 4: And how how old?
Speaker 2: Even the number three? Though?
Speaker 4: JJ, Like what's that with the number of threes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when they're saying like three hundred, she's three
Speaker 2: hundred years old? Like you could say that the either
Speaker 2: talking about Bena or you could also say that time
Speaker 2: as always divided by three?
Speaker 1: See?
Speaker 5: Is that a good lifespan for a half dragon half human?
Speaker 5: What's the average lifespan there?
Speaker 2: I mean, could be like a thousand years, could be.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I feel like I feel like
Speaker 4: they came in.
Speaker 5: They feel like they came in short with the three hundreds,
Speaker 5: so I feel like that might mean something right with
Speaker 5: the you know, they may have intentionally put it as
Speaker 5: three hundred for some reason.
Speaker 4: Right, I had thought, So you're and your dragon should
Speaker 4: be much older in my opinion, so I'm on an
Speaker 4: older dragon.
Speaker 1: Even with her, I look at her aspect as almost
Speaker 1: being like me, Jim or Pace, you see this too,
Speaker 1: be Nah, you never really get to see her except
Speaker 1: for that one point. And again it's because she's more
Speaker 1: of like a voice in your mind or an idea.
Speaker 1: She's not really an actual image. So you do see her,
Speaker 1: and then in my opinion, a lot of either sometimes
Speaker 1: some dragon or maybe a reptile like symbolism. I even
Speaker 1: think some of the aliens from the Alien movie is
Speaker 1: like part of the brain, possibly the hippo campus. So
Speaker 1: you know, then then again that would be of the mind.
Speaker 1: You know, you're really just to get thoughts. You're not
Speaker 1: like an actual thing. Yet again, you're she's behind something,
Speaker 1: You're just hearing something. Just what does that call? You
Speaker 1: don't have nothing to attach that to except for that
Speaker 1: silhouette that he found that he thought was banging or whatever.
Speaker 6: He say, Right, and she plays the maracas.
Speaker 1: Literal, is he gonna stub lay around naked all day
Speaker 1: watching soap opera smoking cigarettes associates?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he gets upset.
Speaker 5: Then he gets all about hurt, right, because he doesn't
Speaker 5: want to be the chosen one, right, he goes to
Speaker 5: take it out on the dragon lady amongst other folks.
Speaker 5: But character, right, this is just the picture of her
Speaker 5: upper Torso, yeah, we never.
Speaker 6: Get to we never get to see the dragon tail.
Speaker 5: Well they show it, right, but it's like up because
Speaker 5: he knocks down the thing at one point, right.
Speaker 6: Yes, right, did we get to see the hotel?
Speaker 4: It's pretty good, right yeap?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, there we go.
Speaker 4: The best image I can get. It's kind of grainy,
Speaker 4: but mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So she reveals like who she is, Like that was
Speaker 2: really good, Nick, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: So what's the dragon mean for for Eastern stuff?
Speaker 8: There?
Speaker 2: Jin, Well, it goes with what Nick was saying about
Speaker 2: being on like how it's like it brings you good seductive,
Speaker 2: so it like brings you closer and then it reveals
Speaker 2: what it really is behind the veil. That's how you
Speaker 2: could maybe describe it. And so she she's like a
Speaker 2: she would say that she's the wife of Rahu, who
Speaker 2: is the dragon of the eclipse. So there's a common
Speaker 2: misconception on astrology twitter that somehow that worshiping deities of
Speaker 2: Saturn are related to Saturn, like Collie, remove Rahu from
Speaker 2: a birth chart. That's actually not true. I don't even
Speaker 2: know who came up with that. It actually densifies his
Speaker 2: presence and a chart that's like a very basic contract knowledge.
Speaker 2: So I just want to point that out. Is that
Speaker 2: where he's where he sort of So what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say is that at Saturn, like if he has
Speaker 2: a Saturnian sort of vibration, he would actually appear it
Speaker 2: would appear a lot more snakelike. It would be very serpentine.
Speaker 4: But what you're saying, more sneak stuff than dragon stuff.
Speaker 2: Kind of, Yes, that's exactly that. That's a really good
Speaker 2: way to put it, JJ is that you would see
Speaker 2: more of a serpent and then once you move away
Speaker 2: from Benah you would maybe it would make more sense
Speaker 2: as more of a cosmic or mythical being.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's got a rattler on the back end
Speaker 4: of this thing.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say that mm hmm. What I'm talking
Speaker 6: about that shaker deal on the back. But you know what,
Speaker 6: I think that they you colors and weird stuff like
Speaker 6: that this entire movie. And I I'm not I'm not
Speaker 6: good enough with occultism to tell you what it means.
Speaker 6: But it's always like yellow Dragon, biker gang, and then
Speaker 6: you know, yeah, and then it's like, I feel like
Speaker 6: they mispronounced things on purpose, and I don't know why
Speaker 6: that might be significant. Like the main bad guy, Sarto Numpspah,
Speaker 6: he can't say, he can't say he's like miss d
Speaker 6: Yarral that aady, but he he also can't you know.
Speaker 6: It says like he's supposed to find the cross dagger
Speaker 6: of a jaunty and he goes the cross dagger of
Speaker 6: a yant Like he can't say, he can't say.
Speaker 4: You are correct about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I thought that was agree.
Speaker 5: He's pretty he's pretty uh, you know, as far as
Speaker 5: villains go, he's he's a pretty good villain.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a ginger. Of course, they make the ginger
Speaker 6: the bad guy every single freaking time.
Speaker 4: Gingers have no sult so I mean it makes sense
Speaker 4: he would.
Speaker 6: Play well, you know, JJ I take that personally, but
Speaker 6: I'm half ginger, Julia, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, you know, it's a perfect role
Speaker 4: for him, right, He's a ginger.
Speaker 8: Right, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But so I think to back up a little bit,
Speaker 6: like Sure Chandler, he's like on this talk show and
Speaker 6: he says he's looking for this sixteen year old girl.
Speaker 6: And that's another thing moment. Okay, I was gonna say, like,
Speaker 6: that's at the beginning of the movie, but the rest
Speaker 6: of it, like the blood sacrificing and all that stuff,
Speaker 6: won't make sense until we mentioned the part where he's like,
Speaker 6: that's how he gets introduced to the stories. He goes
Speaker 6: on this talk show and he says he's looking for
Speaker 6: Eryl Moseley or whatever her last name is.
Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And if I, if I may, I thank you
Speaker 5: for kicking this off.
Speaker 4: I got that clip right here, if we can, we
Speaker 4: can watch that here for the folks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's so hilarious.
Speaker 5: Pack some of this because this is the cross section, right,
Speaker 5: So they came from Tibet to Los Angeles and they
Speaker 5: were just talking about not eating not eating blood. This
Speaker 5: is the cross section of the boot Tibetan Buddhism. And
Speaker 5: the Satanism Here in America cross section, here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: Here with this clip. Now, let's let's talk.
Speaker 2: About tortoises, Judy, what have we got here? This is great?
Speaker 2: Oh this is Teddy and he's eighty years old.
Speaker 4: We're eighty. He's one man.
Speaker 3: Teddy can kissed my ass.
Speaker 8: Listen.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find this girl. Okay.
Speaker 3: Her name is Cheryl mos That she was last seen
Speaker 3: on Violin down in North Fide with you out in
Speaker 3: a sweater and a skirt. I'd appreciate if you're contacted
Speaker 3: me at four sixteen eight point nine two, if you
Speaker 3: had any bank come shut up, man, If you have
Speaker 3: any information at le to the finding of this girl,
Speaker 3: I'd appreciate your contact with me.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 3: Hey, if you don't put the camera out, bust your
Speaker 3: ass man, leave the camera on show Mosley Chandler Joe
Speaker 3: twenty five hours.
Speaker 2: Then say eight point nine two. Now you can talk
Speaker 2: about whatever.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about with datoy Si and whenever excuse.
Speaker 5: So that's that's al Chandler. Jerald gets roped in here
Speaker 5: as the chosen one because homegirl. There martial arts expert
Speaker 5: and mysterious wizard lady.
Speaker 4: She's a finds them.
Speaker 2: She's a zacchini.
Speaker 4: What is this? Is it a zucchini?
Speaker 2: She's a jicchini. She's like a yoga practitioner. And she's
Speaker 2: obviously like gained some cities, like some accomplishments.
Speaker 4: She's got skill sets, got some skills.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's a real badass. And you know when I
Speaker 6: don't know if it's time for me to say it
Speaker 6: just yet, but in classic eighties style, one of the
Speaker 6: first scenes where she's like going off with her badass ory,
Speaker 6: of course, she has to kick a fucking pipe down
Speaker 6: in her tits are all wet and flopping around and stuff,
Speaker 6: and her nips are showing through her shirt, is like
Speaker 6: classic eighties Uh, you know, but she.
Speaker 4: She's actually was that the Yellow Dragons fight? Was that?
Speaker 4: Was that? Was that the same fight when they give
Speaker 4: the Yellow Dragons?
Speaker 6: Yes? But I actually, yeah, had you seen her in
Speaker 6: any other movies?
Speaker 4: No? I don't think I have sense either, quite honestly.
Speaker 13: No.
Speaker 6: And she's so cute.
Speaker 5: She's so cute The Golden Boy Girl, the Golden Child
Speaker 5: that they didn't act again either, apparently this was their
Speaker 5: only film.
Speaker 6: Sure, but so I was gonna mention because I said, like,
Speaker 6: I feel like they use colors a lot, like with
Speaker 6: the yellow dragon and this and that. If you really
Speaker 6: go back and watch the movie and you count how
Speaker 6: many times they use blue, it just is weird to
Speaker 6: me because like even that clip you just showed the
Speaker 6: talk show, the curtain in the background is blue. He's
Speaker 6: wearing a blue shirt, and then at the well there's
Speaker 6: a lot of blue in the middle. But like at
Speaker 6: the end, like two or three of the characters are
Speaker 6: all wearing blue shirts. And so I don't know if
Speaker 6: that's significant in some way, but I think the colors
Speaker 6: are a big deal.
Speaker 2: No, I'm truly are sure. Sorry, JJ, go ahead, Jane,
Speaker 2: that was great noticing Julia. Let me just say, even
Speaker 2: when he says, bring the camera back over here, like
Speaker 2: look at me, and he's wearing that black leather jacket,
Speaker 2: that really stood out to me. It's very Bana. But
Speaker 2: he's also in the blue. Like Julia said, she's really
Speaker 2: pulling focus towards him, and she's wearing like red. It's
Speaker 2: very geveraatic like Marshall, but she's perceiving him. And as
Speaker 2: Julia said, it's not just him that has the blue shirt,
Speaker 2: but it's also the background of the talk show, and
Speaker 2: then when it zooms out you can see it and
Speaker 2: it's like, so it's like the whole idea is like
Speaker 2: you're standing at Goba, you're looking at you're in the fire,
Speaker 2: but then you're looking at the ocean and you can
Speaker 2: see yourself and then you look you can you acknowledge
Speaker 2: what it is, but it doesn't necessarily appear as you right,
Speaker 2: And that's sort of the that's a very magic I'm
Speaker 2: sorry that was very meta, but that is kind of
Speaker 2: what it's like. It's like there's an interaction with perception
Speaker 2: that happens between the ocean and the water and the fire.
Speaker 2: You can say that. So that's kind of what they represent.
Speaker 2: And but they reverse the poles. You see that usually
Speaker 2: you would have a more masculine figure at Mars or
Speaker 2: Govra and a feminine figure has said, but not, you
Speaker 2: don't have to, So.
Speaker 4: You're playing they're playing gender games, like the Day with
Speaker 4: the Golden Child.
Speaker 2: Is that what we're telling me, Well, it's interesting because
Speaker 2: it's like she's the one in perception. He's just saying,
Speaker 2: you know, bring the camera towards me, let me be
Speaker 2: amplify or magnetize this girl's story like outward and but
Speaker 2: she's like, but what she's focused on is him, So
Speaker 2: she's singular in her view, where he's expansive, very much hessetic.
Speaker 1: If you want to think about it, JJ a really
Speaker 1: good way to explain it. I think even with this,
Speaker 1: if you want to make it cabalistically, which I think
Speaker 1: Gin's doing a real good job, I would you know,
Speaker 1: include the chess head again, even a projecting or expansive
Speaker 1: if you took a light bulb, the light that shining
Speaker 1: out of it would be kind of like male energy,
Speaker 1: and the light bulb itself will kind of be the
Speaker 1: feminine energy and the male energy sound sight is coming
Speaker 1: out of it.
Speaker 15: It's a good analogy projective projectives that would be like
Speaker 15: a so I I even think when he was saying
Speaker 15: about him in a sense, if you think about it,
Speaker 15: she sees him then, and I would say he is
Speaker 15: very much chested at that point, very expansive, very powerful, loud,
Speaker 15: being seen you know by a lot.
Speaker 1: It's on TV. She sees him, She sees him, and
Speaker 1: then basically she takes him him and brings him wherever
Speaker 1: he's got to go. It's very magnetic. Well well playing
Speaker 1: the side of the Yeah, well she chose.
Speaker 6: Him, she chose him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she pulls him very very magnetically like
Speaker 1: the left pillar. She now fucking pulls him all the
Speaker 1: way to her side.
Speaker 2: So what we're supposed to Julia, go ahead, I just
Speaker 2: want to say what next? Thing is really profound because
Speaker 2: that is even the idea is that Tikini will lead
Speaker 2: you through experiences you as the witness or the perceiver,
Speaker 2: rather than it's not just all your will. It's like
Speaker 2: there's part of it that is a little bit other power,
Speaker 2: is what we would call it. So it's like generative
Speaker 2: outside of you. Maybe it is you, but maybe it isn't.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like an inter social moment.
Speaker 4: So I don't know. This is how it happens.
Speaker 5: Right, she signs him up for all these things, right
Speaker 5: because she sees him on the TV.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, she has selected him as a partner as
Speaker 2: the chosen one, right exactly.
Speaker 1: And sorry I was interrupting you go ahead. I just
Speaker 1: want to don't want to forget.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, please please, I'm done.
Speaker 1: When I was saying before in the video, I do
Speaker 1: think that they both play the princess and the and
Speaker 1: the prince the hod and that suck, but they both
Speaker 1: are going to play the king and the queen at
Speaker 1: one point. And I do think at Chessa, when she's
Speaker 1: seeing him, she's seeing the king in that that that
Speaker 1: hoad is going to become going up the tree. She
Speaker 1: already sees it in him, so that's why she picks him.
Speaker 1: That sounds a little a little much, but I do
Speaker 1: think that's the kind of part of it that makes
Speaker 1: total sound.
Speaker 5: His old noomsy is he pronounced the stuff and Hebrew
Speaker 5: stuff kabala wise.
Speaker 1: I was wondering about that. But the whole reason why
Speaker 1: he doesn't say the jay.
Speaker 2: Well, there's there's no jay in Hebrew, so you wouldn't
Speaker 2: that's that's even a a thing in magic.
Speaker 4: Like that's why it's mister pronouncing Yero, right, he's got
Speaker 4: instead of Gerald.
Speaker 2: Well you could say it's like dilectification of the jay almost,
Speaker 2: like you could say it's like how they say Ihovah
Speaker 2: instead of Jehovah. So like you can even hear that
Speaker 2: there's a distinction obviously, and like maybe what God you're
Speaker 2: referring to. I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that's
Speaker 2: how people think of it. Or like what like Covenant
Speaker 2: you hold like that's obviously very mythriic, but I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of in line with the general
Speaker 2: magical sort of orders and how they view the world.
Speaker 6: Pointed out just really quick, they pointed out because the
Speaker 6: two things. And this is why it's important, because when
Speaker 6: you when you watch this movie, and I said, oh,
Speaker 6: look there he's wearing a blue shirt and he's got
Speaker 6: the blue curtain behind him, and you know she's wearing
Speaker 6: the red or whatever, and Jin did a great job
Speaker 6: explaining that. But if you listen to like the dialogue
Speaker 6: in these scenes, it's on purpose. They because the talk
Speaker 6: show hosts comments on what he's wearing, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 6: look at your outfit. I love your hats, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 6: attention to what he's wearing. And then in another scene,
Speaker 6: Chandler Jerrol calls Sarto out. Yeah, He's like, why do
Speaker 6: you pose mispronounce my name when you know it's jeral
Speaker 6: And he said, I know. So he's like acknowledging that
Speaker 6: I'm mispronouncing it on purpose. So that's why I think, like, yeah,
Speaker 6: could we be looking into it too far or whatever? Maybe,
Speaker 6: But I think the reason they put those little lines
Speaker 6: in the movie is because it is intentional. It's like
Speaker 6: the wardrobe choices, the way that he mispronounces the name,
Speaker 6: like they even included it into the dialogue. It's like,
Speaker 6: why do you insist on miss pronouncing my name? You
Speaker 6: know it's Jerald And he's like, yeah, I know, boy, Julia.
Speaker 4: That's a very solid point. They have some great dialogue
Speaker 4: between old.
Speaker 5: Nupsy and uh chandeler Gerald there or mister Gerrol that is,
Speaker 5: you know, there's some back, you know some as far
Speaker 5: as the antagonist protagonist, they're not really doing a lot
Speaker 5: of duke in and out, but they are doing a lot.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a little bit of that. But they
Speaker 5: do a lot of back and forth, just you know,
Speaker 5: gelling at each other. So they got some classic dialogue.
Speaker 2: Well I do that sometimes, like I feel i've I've
Speaker 2: I've discussed it on lives before that it's a it's
Speaker 2: an old Discordian like a chaos magician trick. You mispronounce
Speaker 2: things or you create. Something I'm more fond of is
Speaker 2: you create compound words that are totally brand new for
Speaker 2: your use. So an example of.
Speaker 4: That Westoid is that what you did to me with
Speaker 4: western Well, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't up with that. That's something from the zoomer Twitter.
Speaker 2: I'm about ten years too old to use technically, but
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example like clipolithic, Like people think
Speaker 2: that I just mispronounced it, but actually makes sense because
Speaker 2: you're talking about like a stone aggregate. So that's like
Speaker 2: a compound word that you can just make, but it
Speaker 2: has to there has to be a logic, and I
Speaker 2: go hearing, so you can do that instead of saying
Speaker 2: like kleipa, which I don't have a prom saying. But
Speaker 2: sometimes there's an idea that the things that you say
Speaker 2: are the things you invoke, so depending on the context
Speaker 2: you're using at So.
Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting. I appreciate that. Jen is that also Kenu?
Speaker 2: Is that kenu that is considered true Keno?
Speaker 4: I would assume it would be. I'm getting I'm catching on.
Speaker 4: I'm catching on.
Speaker 5: So we we were talking yellow dragon stuff and the
Speaker 5: crossover with intersection with Satan Satanic cold stuff in around
Speaker 5: Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: It's spoiler alert.
Speaker 5: We find out Tommy Tong, who works you know, is
Speaker 5: running this out law blacker gang who kidnapped this young
Speaker 5: girl that the channel Chaneral Yarrel is looking for well
Speaker 5: he works for old Numcy. So we're about to find
Speaker 5: that out here right now.
Speaker 4: Oh Cheryl, Yeah, we sold.
Speaker 2: Her, I mean you sold you sold a cool.
Speaker 13: To Tommy tom He got that restaurant down on Broadway,
Speaker 13: and we traded her case of cigarettes and a quarter
Speaker 13: of pork fried rice.
Speaker 1: Why would somebody want to buy somebody?
Speaker 2: He needed a girl?
Speaker 13: What worked the steel out with the devil said he
Speaker 13: needed her blood?
Speaker 6: So much to say? I have so much to say.
Speaker 5: Please, I did forget that the parent clip which I'll play.
Speaker 5: He wants me to discuss this one with the you know,
Speaker 5: the parrot guy. That is how they got there. Was
Speaker 5: Victor Wong, the revived parent from the Golden Child, is
Speaker 5: the one who led them to that house.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 6: So they do find Cheryl a little bit before this scene,
Speaker 6: and that's where he finds the bucket of oatmeal with
Speaker 6: the blood in it. Yeah, and so again I say
Speaker 6: this because I think it's important they chose an actress
Speaker 6: to play Cheryl, even though she's in it for five
Speaker 6: seconds and she's just a dead body. It's a ginger girl,
Speaker 6: and she's the innocent one. She's the sacrifice, but also
Speaker 6: the devil is the ginger guy, and it's like the
Speaker 6: masculine and the feminine, but they're both red haired ginger people.
Speaker 6: And like one's the innocent one, one's the devil. He
Speaker 6: kills her, sacrifices or uses her blood in this ritual
Speaker 6: to kill this kid, and you know, it's like an
Speaker 6: innocent ginger girl, and then the devil is a ginger guy.
Speaker 6: I think they do that stuff on purpose. And the
Speaker 6: only other thing I have to say about this scene
Speaker 6: is that at the very beginning when they break into
Speaker 6: the house, they're playing a really specific song. I don't
Speaker 6: know if you caught it. It's by Rat, you know
Speaker 6: that body to I.
Speaker 4: Did not catch it, but please tell us.
Speaker 6: Okay, So the album that that song is on. It
Speaker 6: was Rat's debut album, and it featured themes of witchcraft,
Speaker 6: nuclear war, and global destruction. And that is the song
Speaker 6: that's playing as that scene opens up. So, as I say,
Speaker 6: if you look in the background, everything is on purpose.
Speaker 6: Even a dead girl that's laying in the movie for
Speaker 6: five minutes that happens to be a ginger girl with
Speaker 6: this yellow dragon tattoo. And then you know, the devil's
Speaker 6: a red haired guy. I think all the little tiny
Speaker 6: details actually matter in the long run.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree as well, Julia, and I will say that
Speaker 2: sometimes in contra the deity and his concert are depicted
Speaker 2: as red hair, but if you kind of understand, you
Speaker 2: realize it doesn't have to be red hair, because it
Speaker 2: can just be the sort of appearance of red from
Speaker 2: wisdom fire. So the wisdom fire would make the hair
Speaker 2: pere red, so it could be blonde or even block.
Speaker 2: And sometimes it is also depicted us up. But I
Speaker 2: think that was also a really good point.
Speaker 6: Somebody got the song right. Yeah, I couldn't remember the
Speaker 6: title of it, but I remembered the uh lyrics. But yes,
Speaker 6: that's that's the song too. That's playing in the background.
Speaker 6: And I only and what struck me the first time
Speaker 6: I watched it, before I even decided I wanted to
Speaker 6: cover it on a Conspiracy episode is I hate that song.
Speaker 6: And every time that scene plays, I'm like, somebody shoot
Speaker 6: me in the face. I hate the rat shit.
Speaker 4: You're not my scene for sure. So before we get
Speaker 4: into the oatmeal.
Speaker 5: Blood stuff, tell or before we talk about the oatmeal
Speaker 5: and the blood stuff, I got a video clip to
Speaker 5: tie that into the Golden Child here in a minute.
Speaker 5: But let's what are your all thoughts? What's all that about?
Speaker 5: What's feeding all this blood stuff? About neatmeal?
Speaker 2: Well, before we do a blood and oatmeal, which I
Speaker 2: will obviously discuss a little is that.
Speaker 5: And you've got to watch out. Victor Wong has got
Speaker 5: his wand out, buddy. What do you want to talk
Speaker 5: about before blood and oaemeal? What are we talking here?
Speaker 2: Well, Victor Wong? Of course.
Speaker 4: So the red that's what I brought this picture of.
Speaker 2: It's perfect, it's perfect. JJ.
Speaker 4: Did the orange of the Rednick was talking about earlier?
Speaker 2: Yes, So orange is a really important color in Buddhism.
Speaker 2: You could almost say it's the most important color. If
Speaker 2: you were to compare it to the tree, you would
Speaker 2: definitely say that Buddhism really likes hod as a starting
Speaker 2: position for an upasaka or someone who practices Buddhism. So
Speaker 2: I set at the beginning that the monks depicted were
Speaker 2: of the Gelakhpa, so the Gellic school. He is actually
Speaker 2: a Nagapa, so he is a sorcerer. He belongs to
Speaker 2: the ning Musk. So the it's the old school or
Speaker 2: the ancient school, so they're allowed sort of more. They
Speaker 2: give themselves a little more conceptual leeway with ideas. And
Speaker 2: he can also be a householder, so he's not restricted
Speaker 2: by monastic vows. That's why later on spoiler alert, he
Speaker 2: gets called like a paternal name. So, but that's even
Speaker 2: what his red hat means. It's kind of like he
Speaker 2: wears the orange robe. Sometimes he would be a black
Speaker 2: coat with an orange robe. He would obviously be in
Speaker 2: turquoise jewelry Lapis Lazuli jewelry, and then he would wear
Speaker 2: the red hat, and that would indicate that he is
Speaker 2: also a Buddhist. He's not just a sorcerer. So there's
Speaker 2: just an idea there.
Speaker 4: So sorry, let me flipped it on him.
Speaker 5: Where there they're trying to feed the Golden child some
Speaker 5: of his blood outmeal.
Speaker 4: Here it's got some of those schedules we were.
Speaker 5: Talking about earlier Jan with the there's probably a lot
Speaker 5: of stuff you're all going to see that I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't have the foggiest idea about so stand by police.
Speaker 7: As there's name see you will eat.
Speaker 2: So I think it's really interesting JJ that the Sigils
Speaker 2: like I don't read to that and I've never I cannot,
Speaker 2: but I can, right.
Speaker 5: Well, I one second, j hold on, one second, hold
Speaker 5: up one second. I always want to see him do
Speaker 5: his telepathic powers here, or I guess technically she the
Speaker 5: Golden Child said fuck your meal?
Speaker 4: What were you saying there, Jim?
Speaker 2: I apologize, JJ, and my I mean you're good for
Speaker 2: a second. Okay, so I apologize to that, but I
Speaker 2: can't even remember, but I'll just I'll start with the
Speaker 2: oatmeal in blood because that's obviously, you know what, people
Speaker 2: will give the people what they want.
Speaker 7: So obviously that's a big part of the story here, right,
Speaker 7: that's right, a week.
Speaker 4: They got a week in the Golden style to kill it.
Speaker 2: So it is. It is a tonric idea, just like
Speaker 2: it is in Tellima. Like cakes of light that obviously
Speaker 2: comes from Tibetan Buddhism, it's obviously like our trauma cakes. Interestingly,
Speaker 2: that they use oatmeal, that's obviously a nod to I
Speaker 2: don't know how they make cakes of light in the
Speaker 2: in the Oto or any of the other orders, but
Speaker 2: in Tibetan Buddhism it's made with barley powder, so it's
Speaker 2: barley powder starfire, so it's not the blood of a virgin,
Speaker 2: just to be very clear, And it's not even starfire
Speaker 2: as you would understand it. It's made it's like a
Speaker 2: homeopathic like eight times version made into tiny little nectar pills.
Speaker 2: So and yes, it can also be other substances. And
Speaker 2: so the transgressive substances change the offering from like a
Speaker 2: peaceful offering into a wrathful offering. But in to n Buddhism,
Speaker 2: nothing is ever sacrifice except yourself, like not yourself, but
Speaker 2: kind of like who you think you are. That's the
Speaker 2: only that's just their symbolic offerings to represent sort of
Speaker 2: mental or uh, sort of like obstacles of consciousness. So
Speaker 2: you offer those obstacles of consciousness, but you put it
Speaker 2: in a in a vessel. That is the transgressive or
Speaker 2: wrathful offering. But the in and of itself is just
Speaker 2: a container. It's not like the real thing. You're just
Speaker 2: using that as a vehicle to remove the obstacle. But
Speaker 2: the obstacle always comes from yourself, it's not from external source.
Speaker 5: Interesting, So what are your thoughts, Nick on all this
Speaker 5: blood oatmeal weakening of this child.
Speaker 4: The golden child to immortal mortal situations?
Speaker 1: Uh? Oh, look at a couple of different different ways here. U. Well,
Speaker 1: even when like Chin was going there with it too,
Speaker 1: I guess, like you know, kick of Lights that does
Speaker 1: have blood in it stuff, he was talking at his
Speaker 1: blood in it wheat. I think it's just used in
Speaker 1: general or something like that. A grain is used symbolically.
Speaker 1: I think a lot, you know, just because it's cooked oatmeal,
Speaker 1: you know, think about it in the real sense, you know,
Speaker 1: you see stuff like that a lot. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: even with health uh huh did heart healthy? It's probably blood.
Speaker 1: I another interesting thing with that too. Even in in
Speaker 1: Hebrew it matches golden and fool. There was something else.
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring it up before, but uh, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to get too much on the numbers. So
Speaker 1: like I even thought that, like, how that seems interesting,
Speaker 1: how that like even matches like Eddie Murphy's character. But
Speaker 1: then tholso the kid itself again, and and then even
Speaker 1: in right yeah, and then even uh blood and then
Speaker 1: in English matches this might be a stretch matches Luna,
Speaker 1: but that chick's name also matches moon.
Speaker 4: I am kind of the reverse of the symbolism of
Speaker 4: the sun too, right, is that right? Right?
Speaker 1: And it matches full all the way around, and matches
Speaker 1: full uh in Hebrew and English and simple all the
Speaker 1: way around.
Speaker 6: I've read some theories about the Golden Child online, and
Speaker 6: also every every time before I do an episode like this,
Speaker 6: I like to check Reddit and see what people have
Speaker 6: said about it, and they did. To Nick's point, they
Speaker 6: always referenced that girl I think her name is key
Speaker 6: Key Nung or something like that. In the movie, they
Speaker 6: reference her as as supposed to be a moon deity,
Speaker 6: and I read that several times in a lot of
Speaker 6: the Reddit chats, that she was supposed to be like
Speaker 6: a moon deity. So I just wanted to throw that
Speaker 6: in there, that that's not my name. Yeah, that was
Speaker 6: That wasn't my conclusions, but I did see that several
Speaker 6: times on Reddit, people talking about this movie and what
Speaker 6: it could mean and stuff like that. That got brought
Speaker 6: a lot. Yeah, I couldn't find anything on that specifically,
Speaker 6: but the blood and the oatmeal, I think it could
Speaker 6: be another thing obviously with Jin and Nick are saying,
Speaker 6: and just the colors, the white and the red, I
Speaker 6: think could be significant because out of all things to choose, oatmeal,
Speaker 6: I feel like that's a little specific because you could
Speaker 6: put blood. I feel like if I was going to
Speaker 6: try to feed somebody something with blood in it, more
Speaker 6: creative about it, like vegetable soup, then you.
Speaker 5: Couldn't got You gotta sneak it in there. You gotta
Speaker 5: find a better so to transport that blood.
Speaker 6: That's like, why why oat meal?
Speaker 13: You know?
Speaker 5: Yeh seems that importance, right, the grain or the oats.
Speaker 5: There's something's important.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And like when he first digs the spoon into
Speaker 6: it and there's that scene where it's just oatmeal on
Speaker 6: the top and then boom, blood comes squirting out of it.
Speaker 6: And it's like very cinematic how they did, like the
Speaker 6: white oatmeal with the red blood squirting out so and
Speaker 6: then he even like takes a polaroid stature of it.
Speaker 6: So I think, you know, the colors could be significant
Speaker 6: also if you want to get real surface level, like
Speaker 6: with the red hair and the white skin, the oatmeal
Speaker 6: and the blood. It's like literally all the colors in
Speaker 6: this movie mean something.
Speaker 4: I mean, I like it.
Speaker 5: You got a lot of that red stuff going on
Speaker 5: in just the movie poster right, the official imagery for the.
Speaker 4: Film, right, I mean some deep reds going on, deep reds.
Speaker 2: Well, I can offer a little something is that that
Speaker 2: was great because the white, red, and blue are the
Speaker 2: most significant colors. Like I said, orange is a really
Speaker 2: important color. Yes, green is a really important color. Yes,
Speaker 2: but the real primordial colors are white, red, and blue
Speaker 2: in that order. So obviously the pepsi can has like
Speaker 2: multiple layers of significance just through that. It's also you
Speaker 2: could say, like a sort of an agent of synthesis
Speaker 2: away because it it's like bringing it's obviously a tin
Speaker 2: can kind of thing or aluminum, so maybe even has mercurialness.
Speaker 2: But then it's white, so it's kind of heather. But
Speaker 2: you need other things to get there. So you have
Speaker 2: the hesset and the Gevra, the water and the fire
Speaker 2: coming together, and then the little boat boy at Hoe,
Speaker 2: that little golden prince, he's making it alive with his mind.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's something very magic about that. And I
Speaker 2: think that the other I'd have forgot my other point,
Speaker 2: but I you know, that was a great point, Julia
Speaker 2: and I agree. Also, you can you can make turma
Speaker 2: turmas like wrathful offerings. You can make them very gory
Speaker 2: like looking because you just you you just like old
Speaker 2: a cake basically out of barley powder and like little
Speaker 2: substance pills, and then you can make them like have
Speaker 2: eyeballs or tongues or like any of their wrathful kind
Speaker 2: of offerings. So, like what Julie is saying, it's like
Speaker 2: a perfect simulcra like a you know, it's not quite real,
Speaker 2: and it's also cinematic, so it's like a crazy offering.
Speaker 2: That spirting blood that they're telling us is real, but
Speaker 2: we also know as an audience is not really real.
Speaker 2: So it is kind of like a perfect contraed offering
Speaker 2: in a way because it's kind of like a lie
Speaker 2: of truth at the same time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think the three colors I noticed the
Speaker 6: most in this movie were red, white, and blue, and
Speaker 6: the Golden Child wears a traditional like little Buddhist looking
Speaker 6: robe throughout the entire movie, except for the very last
Speaker 6: scene of the movie where they put a red, white
Speaker 6: and blue shirt on him and then Eddie Murphy gives
Speaker 6: him a hat that's blue and white, and so yeah,
Speaker 6: I think that they I mean, the whole movie, he's
Speaker 6: like got the traditional you know, garbon and then at
Speaker 6: the very last scene of the movie he's red, white
Speaker 6: and blue stripe shirt with a blue and white hat,
Speaker 6: and so yeah, I think that stands out, like I
Speaker 6: don't even know why they put that on him, honestly.
Speaker 4: Because excellent point, though, excellent point.
Speaker 6: Yeah they're wearing blue again. Yeah, the red, white and
Speaker 6: blue stripes in the blue and white hat, and yeah,
Speaker 6: I think the colors definitely mean something I.
Speaker 5: Don't want to miss. I don't want to miss gender
Speaker 5: this individual, not even in a translay. But that is
Speaker 5: just remind you that is a girl.
Speaker 4: What's new?
Speaker 6: That's so crazy to me.
Speaker 4: Isn't it wild? I was shocked to learn that.
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess they did that with the little
Speaker 6: girl what's her face from fucking such stranger things. So
Speaker 6: it's not the first time they shaved a girl's head,
Speaker 6: and you know, but they let her still be a
Speaker 6: girl in.
Speaker 5: That, you know what I'm saying, Like where like jen
Speaker 5: was and Nick were discussing earlier, when he's playing in
Speaker 5: the gender role games within this occult, you know, philosophies,
Speaker 5: you know, I kind of see the same thing from you,
Speaker 5: like a surface level, like you were saying, Julia, When
Speaker 5: I look at Satanism, I'm like, well, they like to
Speaker 5: play this gender game a lot and Satanism and old noomsy.
Speaker 5: Here they call him the devil, but he's he's a noopsy,
Speaker 5: but he's he's kind of is the devil, right, I
Speaker 5: Mean they don't classify it, but.
Speaker 6: He's a demon for sure because he meditates and then
Speaker 6: he speaks to the devil.
Speaker 4: Not even the top devil. He's like a like a
Speaker 4: lower tier devil.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's like a like a like a.
Speaker 10: The devil.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's middle.
Speaker 6: Because he can't even figure out what the fuck to do.
Speaker 6: He's got to go back and ask advice. Like I
Speaker 6: thought you were supposed to be a demon with all
Speaker 6: your demony knowledge and ship, and you got to go
Speaker 6: back and refer back to the devil all the time,
Speaker 6: like you're retard. Like what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 4: How do I kill him?
Speaker 6: I don't know, stab him in the fucking face.
Speaker 5: No, that's a that's a great that's a great point
Speaker 5: because if you're some sort of criminal mastermind, you work,
Speaker 5: you know, this demon thing. You hire Tommy Tong who
Speaker 5: pays some chowmaine to these bikers, the kidnap a girl.
Speaker 5: What are what are these negotiations and logistics you're going
Speaker 5: through your budd demon you can do better. Look at
Speaker 5: hold on, let me let me just show you who
Speaker 5: Tommy Tong is here, because he much like Victor Wong,
Speaker 5: and they also start in Big Trouble Little China, the
Speaker 5: guy who played Tommy Tong here, But Tommy Tong was
Speaker 5: a liability and old Noomsy wasn't having it. I speaking
Speaker 5: role is more of a dying role, but that was
Speaker 5: Tommy Tongue.
Speaker 6: What is the rat significant for? Because they're listening to
Speaker 6: a rat song and then Noopsy just turned into a rat,
Speaker 6: So what is it?
Speaker 4: Beat me to it?
Speaker 5: You beat me to it, Julia, and I feel like
Speaker 5: Asian cultures have a different significance of rats than we
Speaker 5: do here in America.
Speaker 4: But I'm sure Jenny can add to that.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 2: If you wanted to give it a really Buddhist layer,
Speaker 2: you could say the rat is the vehicle of the
Speaker 2: Lord of hosts or the lord of aggregates, so it
Speaker 2: would maybe give him like a materialistic Klepolithic, maybe even Satanic.
Speaker 2: But of course you don't have to I'm just saying conceptually,
Speaker 2: you don't have to take it like that, right, but
Speaker 2: you could say that it gives it that element. But
Speaker 2: there's also a really interesting element that's universal is that
Speaker 2: in almost every culture that I've ever encountered talking about magic,
Speaker 2: they will always discuss sorcerers being able to transform into
Speaker 2: black animals. So like a rat, like a dog, like
Speaker 2: a horse. All, uh, it's cat is actually rare. It's
Speaker 2: actually quite rare as an idea that only women. It's
Speaker 2: more women can turn into cats, or they will say
Speaker 2: cat spirits, especially in a Chinese context, I'll say cat
Speaker 2: spirits can live a very long time, and eventually, if
Speaker 2: they can live long enough, they'll turn into women that
Speaker 2: can like marry men and et cetera.
Speaker 5: So it's a lot of thoughts out in my process
Speaker 5: inspect Jim, But I mean I like it just some
Speaker 5: wild stuff.
Speaker 4: You just threw out their bud.
Speaker 6: I think that happened to me though. I think I
Speaker 6: was born a cat and I slowly you were born
Speaker 6: into Yeah. I mean I've always just identified as a cat.
Speaker 6: Like I'm always like, go fuck yourself. You know, people
Speaker 6: will come around and I'm like and then I go
Speaker 6: hide somewhere. I'm better as an online presence, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 6: just I'm a hotline presence. Don't come to my house.
Speaker 5: Though, you want to do online vampiring, like to Celest
Speaker 5: the vampire we just had.
Speaker 16: On said I would totally do it as well as
Speaker 16: I don't have to meet a motherfucker, and like, yeah,
Speaker 16: but oh so I was gonna say, I feel like
Speaker 16: there are undertones of like the Christianity story inside this movie,
Speaker 16: because the biker gang that sells the young girl for.
Speaker 6: Pork fried rice or like whatever, that's like the Judas
Speaker 6: couple of egg rolls, you know, and then you have
Speaker 6: you know, Sartos is trying to offer a deal to Jerrold,
Speaker 6: so it's like making a deal with the devil and
Speaker 6: the chos. Yeah, yeah, so I do think there are
Speaker 6: like the like Christian aspects of this, like someone betraying
Speaker 6: you and selling you for pork fried rice and making
Speaker 6: a deal with the devil, and you know, the whole kind.
Speaker 5: Of making a joke of the Satanic panic at the time, right,
Speaker 5: this is kind of the hotest Satanic panic, right.
Speaker 6: Sure, I would say, so, yeah, what's funny because I
Speaker 6: didn't I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know why I put the clip. I was
Speaker 4: just looking for it.
Speaker 5: But speaking of all this satanic stuff, right, so in
Speaker 5: the Satanic Panic business.
Speaker 4: So Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 5: Did a show I think it was at coffee with
Speaker 5: car Jerry Seinfeld, and he's talking about how he met
Speaker 5: Sammy Davis Junior there around the same time made this
Speaker 5: film sub mid eighties, so and Sammy Day Old Sammy
Speaker 5: d was trying to get him to join the Church
Speaker 5: of Satan, join the dark Side?
Speaker 4: Is he is?
Speaker 2: He?
Speaker 4: Old? Eddie was talking, Well, hmmm, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's important to just note really quick that we
Speaker 2: don't have a Satan figure. Say, well, maybe that's not accurate.
Speaker 1: Don't have it equal Satan. I meant to tell you
Speaker 1: that Johnty equal Satan.
Speaker 4: Okay, the dagger, yeah, johnt dagger, Yes, the Satan dagger. Oh,
Speaker 4: that's interesting.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 6: You remember what they said about it when when Noopsy
Speaker 6: meditates to speak with the devil and he says, the
Speaker 6: jaunty Dagger is not of this world and it came
Speaker 6: from Hell so they could kill the Golden Child, like
Speaker 6: it's literally from hell.
Speaker 4: And to make this.
Speaker 5: Hell right, he had to eat the bloody oatmeal and
Speaker 5: make this hell, which kind of sounds like vampirism.
Speaker 2: Well, he's bringing the carnal ground to the little Boy.
Speaker 4: The online is more of.
Speaker 2: Heaven, you could say. And so there's something really interesting
Speaker 2: even about the dagger since Snick brought it up, is
Speaker 2: that that dagger is actually a magical implement, but it's
Speaker 2: also a deity. That deity name is vaujor Kumara. That's
Speaker 2: an older version of text, but or older.
Speaker 4: That's not a dagger, Jim.
Speaker 2: This is a dagger, yes, that dagger, So it's a
Speaker 2: three pointed dagger. And it also is called Vajra Kumara,
Speaker 2: just like the Golden Boy. So the dagger can also
Speaker 2: be a deity like it can.
Speaker 4: Also this is also the Golden Child.
Speaker 2: Right, but then you be Then the whole point is
Speaker 2: like to proceed, like to not have a distinction between
Speaker 2: like object and perceiver. So you're kind of unified in
Speaker 2: the dagger. And you can even see there's like a
Speaker 2: figure eight sort of thing that's a vadra. So like
Speaker 2: everyone always loves the vadra whenever I bring it up.
Speaker 2: So that's a vajra in the middle. But then it
Speaker 2: comes down to a single point. So at the single
Speaker 2: point should be your like will, but it's your will
Speaker 2: and complete emptiness. So it's what I'm really trying to say,
Speaker 2: is it's just it's a wand you could say or
Speaker 2: a dagger. It can be both things really, but it
Speaker 2: it can also be you, but it it's not you,
Speaker 2: just like when you're holding it, playing with it.
Speaker 4: Like it's a dagger that identifies as a.
Speaker 2: Yes, like you could say, you could say the apotheosis
Speaker 2: of a person is the golden child. I think that's
Speaker 2: a very Christian kabalistic way to kind of look at it,
Speaker 2: or even a theosophical way, like I think that's what
Speaker 2: Nick and I have both been like getting at is
Speaker 2: that it's like someone rising through the tree. But it
Speaker 2: could be like a real person, maybe a magician, Okay.
Speaker 1: Dagger even I don't want to try to get into
Speaker 1: it too much. I explained it a couple of well,
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago I had covered Michael Myers
Speaker 1: Halloween in the Nightmare Elme Street. How I both thought
Speaker 1: that they kind of both represented beasts in the both
Speaker 1: like possibly like Janice. And again they both you know,
Speaker 1: Freddy has the daggers kind of finger daggers and the
Speaker 1: other guy is known for a knife as well. And
Speaker 1: I do you know, even when I was showing there's something,
Speaker 1: and I think line two in line seventeen, I think
Speaker 1: both associate with like Janus in a Crawley seven seven
Speaker 1: seven and somewhere like I think a knife for like
Speaker 1: a Crusser. Something along those lines comes up associated with that.
Speaker 1: And that was like another thing I was showing that
Speaker 1: I was trying to explain. And if you think about
Speaker 1: it in a sense, if you look at the dagger now,
Speaker 1: it's already got the two face got right at the bottom.
Speaker 5: That's what I was just gonna say, right, is that
Speaker 5: yanis the two faces you see, they're right.
Speaker 2: So he technically he has five faces, but sometimes I
Speaker 2: h s three or one with a face above it,
Speaker 2: so it'll be like a little he'll kind of like
Speaker 2: a pot. It'll like represent like his higher consciousness the
Speaker 2: face above it. And interestingly, to go off, next comment
Speaker 2: is that when you look at him in art, so
Speaker 2: just Buddhist art, although sometimes they make daggers like this,
Speaker 2: he will be depicted in full form and he'll have wings,
Speaker 2: so all all in it will look like very much
Speaker 2: like a cross or a crucifix. Maybe maybe not as
Speaker 2: it looks like it taw anyway, and that is kind
Speaker 2: of the idea and so like Julia was saying, like
Speaker 2: like raising something from Hell, that he is the Adamantine's son.
Speaker 2: So that's another way to understand it. Like he's forged
Speaker 2: in hell fire, but he's a little more powerful than that.
Speaker 2: So you can see there's like a redemptive you could
Speaker 2: call it like a Buddhist arc or a theosophical arc,
Speaker 2: but I think that also parallels like the guy has
Speaker 2: to draw his path, the evil sorcerer has to draw
Speaker 2: his powers from like a worldly spirit. A spirit that
Speaker 2: doesn't is not omnipotent, is not omnipresent, just has a
Speaker 2: goal to become like I don't know, more of this
Speaker 2: earth or whatever. But the Golden Child he sort of
Speaker 2: transcends all that. He's sort of above it. He's not worldly.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of what the dagger also represents. You
Speaker 2: could say, real quick.
Speaker 4: And the chosen one can wield the dagger too, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, yeah, you can.
Speaker 4: The whole right.
Speaker 5: Old Victor Wong's like, well we'll find out if you
Speaker 5: can get that dagger, Budton, Well, if you're up to
Speaker 5: the challenge.
Speaker 1: Real quick too. Even when I had covered the movie
Speaker 1: from Hell, I showed symbolism and that about Janice and
Speaker 1: that's you know all about slice some motherfuckers up too. Shit.
Speaker 6: That's a good one to do a breakdown on because
Speaker 6: there's a kind of stuff in there. One of my
Speaker 6: favorite Johnny Depps actually I love that one. So what
Speaker 6: do you guys think about him eating those little twigs
Speaker 6: throughout the whole movie? Do you think that's significant.
Speaker 4: In a way?
Speaker 1: Yes, one thing I was going to bring up to
Speaker 1: with the whole blood stuff. It even goes back to uh,
Speaker 1: some guy in Pedocles from like five hundred PC. He
Speaker 1: was even stating that you if you want to do
Speaker 1: magical stuff, you're gonna have to stop taking him blood.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to start like kind of eating like
Speaker 1: a vegetarian. And blood blood would be like it would
Speaker 1: just be a bad thing. It would be make you dirty.
Speaker 1: I can't think of the word right now.
Speaker 5: That well that's what makes it. That's what that's what
Speaker 5: they here, right, would make him dirty? Would be immortal, right,
Speaker 5: he would, he would be of the earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he he he goes on about eating like,
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that. So it makes sense that
Speaker 1: the kids like eating a plant. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: nice he's eating a vegetarian die my opinion, and.
Speaker 6: The blood literally eating like one leaf a day for
Speaker 6: several days.
Speaker 5: And he can really do a lot of things to
Speaker 5: solve that problem with his magical wizard abilities.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he saw him make a dancing PEPSI can come on,
Speaker 5: get out of here. This guy can find some food.
Speaker 1: About that too. With the eating if, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: like your I would think that maybe your senses. This
Speaker 1: is hard to explain, but like your body's gonna have
Speaker 1: to start paying it, like if to have a magical experience,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to slip out a little bit. And
Speaker 1: I guess like if what if, Like if you're thinking
Speaker 1: about if you're putting stuff back into your body, it's
Speaker 1: gonna have to pay attention. Your stomach's gonna have to
Speaker 1: paying attention to the food. This is really hard and
Speaker 1: deep what I'm trying to explain here. But I do
Speaker 1: think like maybe they can't make fast. Yeah, it's almost
Speaker 1: like you're there's nothing there for your bidy to have
Speaker 1: to actually spend any energy.
Speaker 5: Sure, so you can concentrate the energy on magical stuff. Yes,
Speaker 5: it makes sense, Yeah.
Speaker 6: That does make sense. I didn't. I put in my
Speaker 6: notes to ask you guys about it because I couldn't
Speaker 6: figure out what it meant. Because I really forgot about
Speaker 6: that little twig thing in his pocket and you pull
Speaker 6: it out and you just eat a twig a day.
Speaker 1: It was like a midleaf.
Speaker 6: As a kid, I was like, this is all.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's like that's they put in gum to make it.
Speaker 5: You know, so we uh we haven't. He went on
Speaker 5: quite a journey to get that dagger. I'm assuming there's
Speaker 5: some some elements of this journey that has some deeper understandings.
Speaker 4: So old uh chamler yer Old there goes to bet.
Speaker 5: Well, technically it was you know, Mammoth Lakes, California, but
Speaker 5: you know they did a good job and make it
Speaker 5: look like Tibet. But I got a clip for us
Speaker 5: here in that, in that journey on to get this
Speaker 5: your dagger.
Speaker 14: To my money, we have come to ask for the
Speaker 14: sacred Cross.
Speaker 8: Dagger over Jaunty for what reason?
Speaker 14: For the golden Child.
Speaker 4: So that's the second Christ, right before the funny part.
Speaker 5: I got I got that coming up. I want I
Speaker 5: want to talk. I got that coming up. Julia, don't
Speaker 5: worry about it. So that's the Segret cross dagger of Satan.
Speaker 2: Huh, Well, he's only Satan when he's like all over
Speaker 2: the place, when he's single pointed in his will. Then
Speaker 2: he reaches apotheosis. He becomes like you could, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna use like a word. It's gonna get me in trouble,
Speaker 2: but it I'm just gonna say. Anyway, he becomes christ like,
Speaker 2: if you want to say it like that, you can
Speaker 2: say it like that.
Speaker 4: It's okay, Sure, it's okay, Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 5: So what are we looking at here with this whole
Speaker 5: scene before we get to that, I didn't leave out
Speaker 5: the funny part, Julia, trust me, I got that here.
Speaker 4: What are we looking at here with this whole scene?
Speaker 5: He's walking into spending these uh these pillars and you know,
Speaker 5: talking to this guy who's this wizard fellow slash bird.
Speaker 5: What are you all thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Say that again?
Speaker 4: The whole scene.
Speaker 5: He walks into here with this temple and he's got
Speaker 5: to spend his pillars and he's talking to the wizard
Speaker 5: bird fella, you know, Nick shinn mm hmm. What's all
Speaker 5: this about? And then why would this why would this
Speaker 5: knife the house theory, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 5: why are these are the keepers of the knife? Is
Speaker 5: that what we're looking at here? These monk?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know. I saw that part of like
Speaker 1: the Hero's Journey.
Speaker 6: I put that it was the Hero's journey in my notes,
Speaker 6: but I grouped this scene in with like him having
Speaker 6: to carry the water and the Yeah, that's what I.
Speaker 4: Was getting at. Yep, that's going across.
Speaker 6: The bridge and doing all. So I mean I grouped
Speaker 6: this scene in with the scene that follows as the
Speaker 6: hero's journey part of the story, which the hero's journey.
Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, Christ falls into the Hero's journey things, right,
Speaker 6: So I don't think it's bad to say that. I
Speaker 6: think it's like an.
Speaker 5: Archetcype say that, Julia, you and Jen both can make
Speaker 5: Christ references here on Operation GCD.
Speaker 4: It's it's not banned, it's not censored.
Speaker 6: Well say that dead, I think.
Speaker 5: Huh, I said, even Numcy won't mind he's dead.
Speaker 4: I think, oh really, I always.
Speaker 6: Thought he was a good looking guy. I didn't know
Speaker 6: he was dead.
Speaker 5: Well, the actor, I think is alive. He played a
Speaker 5: villain last section here as well. But yeah, here in
Speaker 5: the film uc does not need a good end. No,
Speaker 5: and again when we're I know there's a lot of
Speaker 5: Eastern mysticism stuff, but I mean it's hard to not
Speaker 5: see this through a you know, a very Christian Satanic
Speaker 5: lens of the Satanic Panic era.
Speaker 6: Well, I am a Christian, so I feel like that's
Speaker 6: the only lens that I look through a lot of times.
Speaker 6: But I mean, I always love to talk to people
Speaker 6: like Jin and Nick because they get me to look
Speaker 6: outside of my own perspective on things and to understand
Speaker 6: like we can all be right at the same time.
Speaker 6: But it's like I always say, it's like a five
Speaker 6: layer burrito, and there's many layers to it. There's like
Speaker 6: many things.
Speaker 5: I'm an alien Christian that does that? Does that work
Speaker 5: out well in this In this perspectives.
Speaker 2: You can map it all to the tree for formerly
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter. You can honestly look at everything
Speaker 2: like Kabala like you like what Julia said, you can
Speaker 2: just understand that Kabala is sickly and then there's no problems.
Speaker 2: So you can kind of look at all the systems
Speaker 2: and say like, Okay, this is what this prefers, and
Speaker 2: this is how to get there, but you don't have
Speaker 2: to agree. It's just just like you can look at
Speaker 2: it and say, yeah, this is the relative truth, so
Speaker 2: you're sure fine with that. So that's how I feel
Speaker 2: about like most other religions, not all of them, but
Speaker 2: like Christianity for sure, Like it's a Christian kabala makes
Speaker 2: perfect sense to me. There's it's no problem.
Speaker 5: Joke's aside and dragon rapes aside. I think you know
Speaker 5: what I was getting at with the Satan figure here,
Speaker 5: nupsy here, you know, he he's They obviously have these
Speaker 5: satanic cold elements you know, tied in here, like like
Speaker 5: we were talking about before with the Blacker gangs, the kidnappings,
Speaker 5: the you know, these these common tropes and understandings of this,
Speaker 5: these real world situations that that transpire but or depicted
Speaker 5: here in this film. But what I always like to
Speaker 5: say also in those regards is like those people that
Speaker 5: are doing these things, they don't believe in Satan also
Speaker 5: was one thing I was. That's what I was, That's
Speaker 5: what I was getting at, That's what I was good.
Speaker 6: So you really aren't, you really aren't an alien Christian
Speaker 6: or whatever.
Speaker 4: You use formally formally?
Speaker 6: What does that mean that Jesus was terrestrial or what that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, God loves on Cola. That's a
Speaker 4: different story altogether. It's near the Star series.
Speaker 6: A serious guy.
Speaker 4: Huh, yeah, very very much.
Speaker 11: So.
Speaker 5: Now that was the first twenty two years of my life.
Speaker 5: I recently just surpassed the you know, I've now longer
Speaker 5: been not a Mormon than I was a Mormon.
Speaker 6: So, oh, Mormonism, huh, let's see Christ.
Speaker 4: Sorry, you're a good dude. That's good.
Speaker 2: I just want to say that Heidi already knows this,
Speaker 2: but like I kind of I'm very fascinated by like
Speaker 2: how more means, think of like the tree and what
Speaker 2: like what they're doing. I'm not I don't want to
Speaker 2: be a Mormon. I'm not a Mormon or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Sign up right now, Jane, let's get let's make it happen.
Speaker 2: I don't know enough, I don't know anything about it,
Speaker 2: but I'm just I just like it for the Cabala,
Speaker 2: the mothership.
Speaker 6: All right, let's ship.
Speaker 4: All let's last off.
Speaker 5: Let's let's check out that Phonny scene here though from
Speaker 5: where he do another scene.
Speaker 7: There?
Speaker 8: Said him, ask it, I see.
Speaker 9: What the name.
Speaker 8: Any mask? Again? I want the knife.
Speaker 14: Please.
Speaker 8: Only a man whose heart is pure can wield a knife,
Speaker 8: and if you're such a man, you will have it.
Speaker 6: I love you died clips too, by the way, because
Speaker 6: that's what makes the movie breakdowns the best.
Speaker 4: I agree, I totally agree.
Speaker 5: Apparently YouTube does not agree that YouTube it's not liking
Speaker 5: the use of the clips.
Speaker 4: But I agree with you the clips.
Speaker 6: I was hoping you would include the clip where he's
Speaker 6: at that medicinal shop and looking at all the herbs
Speaker 6: and he's like, oh, yeah, that's good to keep the
Speaker 6: yang up. And he's like, nothing wrong with my yang.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get that one.
Speaker 4: Another one you're talking. I know this team you're talking about, though.
Speaker 5: No, it's a classic Gatees Murphy, right, it's some classic
Speaker 5: Gatedes Murphy. But this idea, though, of this machination of
Speaker 5: this kind of satanic elements cult stuff in Los Angeles
Speaker 5: with this Tibetan Buddhism stuff, to me just rings the
Speaker 5: rings back to my you know, uh digging through the
Speaker 5: thoughts of my brain. Oil here I recall at Sanders Files,
Speaker 5: you know, the author of the family there, the Manson family,
Speaker 5: the actual good book on the Manson family contemporary to
Speaker 5: the actual crimes, not the bogle Oce nonsense. But at
Speaker 5: Sanders wrote his you know, at the same time as
Speaker 5: writing writing his book there in the early seventies, and
Speaker 5: I think it was published in seventy four. But sanders
Speaker 5: investigation was yielding some results that seemed to indicate there
Speaker 5: was a imagination of Buddhist ideas, telemic ideas and theosophical
Speaker 5: ideas I believe, into a into a cold faction that
Speaker 5: was also a Cali worshiping cold faction out of Japan
Speaker 5: called the Shing Gong cult, not Chin Gon, but Shin
Speaker 5: Gone with the s So.
Speaker 2: This totally correlates to what I know of like certain
Speaker 2: we'll call them, like I guess they would have been
Speaker 2: like process offshoots or whatever. And so like Michael's what.
Speaker 4: This was supposedly right, the four Pie allegedly was a
Speaker 4: was this four gone cult?
Speaker 2: That's right. So I mean, I you know, this is
Speaker 2: the thing is that there was there were in Nepal
Speaker 2: during this whole postwar period. There have been Collie kind
Speaker 2: of cults that are like parts Sulima, just like you're saying,
Speaker 2: they're like parts of Vadriana. They're parts Hindu like Tntra,
Speaker 2: they're parts like Satanism, their parts process Like it's kind
Speaker 2: of a weird blend, but it's like taking the most
Speaker 2: transgressive elements of all of them. So pretty much that's
Speaker 2: what I kind of understand of them is that they're
Speaker 2: just like really So Collie in Tntra is related to Saturn,
Speaker 2: so that would immediately place her in Bana. So if
Speaker 2: you're looking at the tree as like a ten or
Speaker 2: eleven spheared structure, she would never go at Keather. She
Speaker 2: would always go at Bana if you're really understanding what
Speaker 2: she is. So they're looking at it as like this
Speaker 2: this this way to like it's kind of like the
Speaker 2: black cube matrix, Like everybody loves that kind of like thing.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what it is.
Speaker 2: But you're putting yourself in the box, like you're putting
Speaker 2: yourself in the cube. You're densifying the world around you.
Speaker 2: And so Nick brought up at the very beginning, like
Speaker 2: we were talking about Golden Child and like I don't know,
Speaker 2: he said to Jamatri or something, and he said it
Speaker 2: was related to Vishnu. So Vishnu is related to Banah
Speaker 2: and related to Saturn very closely. So there's this relationship
Speaker 2: that you can sort of in Viishnavism, which is a
Speaker 2: kind of Hinduism, you pray to Vishnu through Bakhdi. So
Speaker 2: it's like considered to be like devotional love. You pray
Speaker 2: so hard that eventually it will liberate you or eject
Speaker 2: you from the cube or whatever it is, but it
Speaker 2: will take it supposedly will take you millions of lifetimes.
Speaker 2: So in a more tonic way, you would never get
Speaker 2: stuck here. But obviously these people, you know, they're really
Speaker 2: fixated on Calli, So that would be obviously a big
Speaker 2: problem from a Buddhist perspective, because you wouldn't just fixate
Speaker 2: on a deity or their name or you know, their
Speaker 2: ferocious presentation. Those are just conceptual ideas.
Speaker 4: You're saying.
Speaker 5: This is a unique, more of an extremist view of
Speaker 5: these situations, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's an annihilationist, very extremist, very very non.
Speaker 4: Keno if you will, non.
Speaker 2: Keno, because it's not about embracing love or like the
Speaker 2: beauty of Maya, the beauty of the garden, or like
Speaker 2: you know, connections with other people.
Speaker 5: It's like kind of the tracking gin I'm catching on
Speaker 5: to this Kino business. I'll get there eventually, but you're.
Speaker 2: You're so the Keno thing is to love the world
Speaker 2: and like accept it for what it is, and then
Speaker 2: their view is to like they're kind of Calvinist almost
Speaker 2: similar way. They're like, we're going to degrade the world.
Speaker 2: We're going to do all the sin in the world,
Speaker 2: and we're going to make it like from the Ashes,
Speaker 2: We're going to remake it. But you don't really get
Speaker 2: to control the cosmic cycle. That's a more Buddhist view. Obviously,
Speaker 2: they do believe that they can like influence the cosmic cycle,
Speaker 2: but I I don't personally believe they can.
Speaker 14: JJ.
Speaker 6: Have you heard of the Thuggy cult that was doing
Speaker 6: all the Cali worshiping stuff.
Speaker 4: I think you told me about that somebody I thought
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just covered them. I'm doing a new series
Speaker 6: on different cults. It's called Into the CULTI Verse, and
Speaker 6: I covered the Thuggie Cult and they were like Cali
Speaker 6: worshipers whatever, whatever. But if you really look into it,
Speaker 6: because like I always say, there's like a five l
Speaker 6: a burrito the.
Speaker 4: Thuds getting real hungry, dude, I love.
Speaker 6: Taco bell Ship if you look go all the way
Speaker 6: back into history with the Thuggie cults, they could have
Speaker 6: possibly been assassins under the employee of the Brahmin family.
Speaker 6: And I know we just spoke to about the Brahmin
Speaker 6: family in connection with Tuesday World and the Boston Brahmins,
Speaker 6: and so.
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, there's we're talking Indian Brahmins because that's Kamala
Speaker 5: Harris's people right there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the that's the same Brahmins that I'm talking about.
Speaker 6: So yeah, there's a level of like Cali worshiping or whatever.
Speaker 6: But if you really look under the surface, it's all
Speaker 6: tied up in these weird royal blod line families and stuff.
Speaker 6: So it's like you said about the Manson thing, it's
Speaker 6: more than just like the Buglios. Oh they hated cops
Speaker 6: or whatever the fuck he was trying. It's starting a
Speaker 6: race war. It's like, no, let's let's really look at this,
Speaker 6: peel the layers back and look at I think.
Speaker 5: Was they were too much petchuli oil. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: it went mad from the petuli oil. They had mad
Speaker 5: pelio oil disease.
Speaker 6: They had petuli oil bo stink.
Speaker 2: I like peuli. So I'll send up for it. Oh no,
Speaker 2: it's all okay. I actually like Betty verbetto, so I'll
Speaker 2: but no, you're I mean, you're totally right, both of
Speaker 2: you guys. Like you know, there is there's like deeper connections,
Speaker 2: Like Vagiana has a lot of connections to some of
Speaker 2: these obviously exim and other things, and it's kind of
Speaker 2: like the old ideas that we lived in the Caliyuga.
Speaker 2: Like bringing up this idea of Collie. It's not directly
Speaker 2: one to one related to the goddess, but you can
Speaker 2: use it as an archetypal metaphor. So she's like very destructive.
Speaker 2: She's destroying the old system kind of, but it's also
Speaker 2: bringing things in. So her power is really magnetization, but
Speaker 2: it's the destruction through time. So you can think of
Speaker 2: it like traveling through space. You're degrading, you're getting older,
Speaker 2: exactly that same thing, and then you're gonna go to
Speaker 2: the carnal ground and become a skeleton and you know,
Speaker 2: like take on a new rebirth eventually. So that's what
Speaker 2: she's doing. It's kind of like bringing you through the
Speaker 2: cosmic cycle. So that Julia was talking about these like
Speaker 2: Brahmin families. A lot of the Brahmin casts, so it's
Speaker 2: like a birth cast that you're born into. They do
Speaker 2: believe in this Vishnu figure, so they will outwardly pray
Speaker 2: to the vish New figure. But there is also a
Speaker 2: secret idea that you will do shocka Tontra or goddess
Speaker 2: Tontra secretly at night, even though you pray to this
Speaker 2: like very orthodox heroic kind of like good guy. You know,
Speaker 2: he's the hero of the bag Gita. He's like, you know,
Speaker 2: he's the king of heaven. But at night you're doing
Speaker 2: something more transgressive, more contric more secret mystery called stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think there's a really interesting idea with that.
Speaker 2: What Julia was saying, it's like kind of always like
Speaker 2: the ad, there's an inverse and then there's like it
Speaker 2: depends on how you look at it, Like from what
Speaker 2: perspective you.
Speaker 4: Mean you got to look at it.
Speaker 6: Mh, both ways, you got to look at it.
Speaker 5: No, I think it's a it's an interesting when I
Speaker 5: was just looking. We're still up on YouTube there, nick.
Speaker 6: Did they kick us off?
Speaker 4: In case?
Speaker 1: I'll probably pull it down after this, after the life.
Speaker 6: Though, because of the clips those bitches a little one.
Speaker 5: No I said I won't. I was going to if
Speaker 5: we weren't, but yeah, I'm looking on both of our channels.
Speaker 5: We're still up yeah, programming there here. But let's uh,
Speaker 5: it's a good it's a good point to wrap this up.
Speaker 5: So what may I thank you all for your time
Speaker 5: this evening. First and foremost, I appreciate y'all joining me
Speaker 5: to do a and the cold and and or esoteric
Speaker 5: review of The Golden Child. Obviously I kind of gave
Speaker 5: the spoiler alert earlier Old Nipsy Dies courtesy of that
Speaker 5: dagger and uh, and any any closing contents I can
Speaker 5: pass off to y'all starting starry with you there, Julia,
Speaker 5: I appreciate your time, ma'am.
Speaker 4: Great conversation, Thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just have a few closing ideas for the movie,
Speaker 6: and thanks for inviting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't feel rushed, don't feel rushed at all, but
Speaker 5: absolutely oh yeah.
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say I noticed that the movie
Speaker 6: begins with him resurrecting a bird, and then the movie
Speaker 6: or the movie begins with a resurrection, and it ends
Speaker 6: with a resurrection because he brings back the moon deity
Speaker 6: if you will, or the Moon goddess, he brings her back,
Speaker 6: so it starts and ends with a resurrection. Also, at
Speaker 6: the end of the movie, he is bringing monarch butterflies
Speaker 6: back to life, so I don't know if anybody else
Speaker 6: caught that, but of course, you know the whole monarch thing,
Speaker 6: so I thought that was pretty significant. And then the
Speaker 6: house where they're keeping the Golden Child has black and
Speaker 6: white tile floors, So those were some of the main
Speaker 6: things at the end of the movie that I thought
Speaker 6: would be cool to mention for this breakdown.
Speaker 9: But yeah, like I.
Speaker 6: Said, I've been looking for somebody to want to talk
Speaker 6: about this for a couple of year years now, just
Speaker 6: because I feel like there's so many litted bits in
Speaker 6: there that are cool and it's a hilarious movie, and
Speaker 6: it's for me. I like to cover nostalgic childhood movies
Speaker 6: that I loved, and this is one of them for sure.
Speaker 6: I watched it all the time when I was a kid.
Speaker 6: So thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5: I feel the same way about the nostalgic movies of
Speaker 5: my childhood, you know, and this is up there with
Speaker 5: Goonies for me.
Speaker 6: This one is I love Goonies.
Speaker 4: For sure. Now, thanks again, Nick.
Speaker 5: Do you have any closing statements on the on your
Speaker 5: review of the film, or any any thoughts or any
Speaker 5: plugs you'd like to to discuss your h No.
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I was excited we got to
Speaker 1: do it because I definitely think it's a deeply occulted
Speaker 1: movie for sure. Uh yeah. I thought this was great.
Speaker 1: It was great. Everybody had great stuff to say. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Besides that, for me, the one thing that I just
Speaker 1: do want to push is in which I think we're
Speaker 1: all probably saying it anyway, I do think there's a
Speaker 1: cabalistic tale, and you know, there's cobalistic symbolism in this
Speaker 1: movie for sure. I think you can if you pay
Speaker 1: attention and look at it with the colors and certain
Speaker 1: symbols and the male and female characters, I think you'll
Speaker 1: see it. That's it.
Speaker 4: Nice. Anything coming up on the Occult Rejects, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, let's see. I can tell you a few
Speaker 1: things that are coming out. Oh yeah, we got to
Speaker 1: morm of My Mafia coming out on audio Red Heifer
Speaker 1: this Friday. We got to Marian Deities next week with
Speaker 1: Gray Pilled and the Coral Castle with Library They Untold
Speaker 1: coming out soon too.
Speaker 4: Don't don't forget about vampire lady. Yes, yeah, that's the vampire. Yes,
Speaker 4: she was a nice vampire. She didn't try to eat anybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that will drop on audio as well for people
Speaker 1: who have not heard that yet. That's already been done
Speaker 1: and I think it's still out on the live so
Speaker 1: check it out now.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm leaving that up.
Speaker 4: All right. Well, for share your time, sir Jen, for
Speaker 4: shure your time, sir Any.
Speaker 5: Closing thoughts on the the nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece
Speaker 5: The Golden Child.
Speaker 2: So if you research Ken McLeod, he wrote a new book.
Speaker 2: I mentioned it right at the beginning Magic of Adriana.
Speaker 2: He talks about all the stuff that Nick and I
Speaker 2: just discussed, like a lot. He understands Kabala as well,
Speaker 2: like or he just he's able to like the system
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. He just kind of gets he's had the experience,
Speaker 2: so it doesn't really matter. He's just describing something so
Speaker 2: every he can. I'm not recommending him necessarily, but if
Speaker 2: you look into his background, he actually has a really
Speaker 2: interesting teacher. I'm sure JJ would find it really fascinating,
Speaker 2: and who was sort of the object of his own
Speaker 2: perhaps a scandal, will say in the past. But I'm
Speaker 2: not casting aspersions on anyone. I'm just saying it is
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. But he is a very interesting teacher,
Speaker 2: and I think he has some profound things to say.
Speaker 2: And I think he obviously consulted. I think he taught,
Speaker 2: like showed them how to use the couplistic ideas, but
Speaker 2: like make sure it was as much as it is syncretic.
Speaker 2: I think it keeps too like it's a Vazra film.
Speaker 2: You could say it like really has that aesthetic, but
Speaker 2: it also keeps true to a lot of the ideas.
Speaker 2: So I want to just say thank you so much
Speaker 2: to JJ, thank you so much to Nick always bringing
Speaker 2: me on. Nick really appreciate it. And of course Julia,
Speaker 2: I've we've worked together. I think this is our fourth time,
Speaker 2: but we've never we spoke a little of this c
Speaker 2: lest So I will end on this. I told you waning,
Speaker 2: so waning is more my thinking, whereas like you're trying
Speaker 2: to like cast the sort of like the bad luck
Speaker 2: into the past.
Speaker 4: That's why the barber tips.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love these tips. I love these tips.
Speaker 2: So if it's waning, Moon, you cut your hair and
Speaker 2: then you burn. Like as I said, you can burn it.
Speaker 2: So that's like casting the old you into the past.
Speaker 2: Or if you want, like to feel more beautiful, that's
Speaker 2: a good maybe word to use. You could do it
Speaker 2: on a waxing moon, because I would like sort of
Speaker 2: empower you. So it's like either idea. I'm more of
Speaker 2: a waning person just because I always think like that,
Speaker 2: but maybe it was good. It's good to consider balance.
Speaker 6: Well, I will say this, and I'm so glad you
Speaker 6: brought it up again. God bless you because my appointment's
Speaker 6: tomorrow and it is a waning moon. I uh, over
Speaker 6: the last year, I've been through a lot, divorced and
Speaker 6: all kinds of stuff, and so like my ex husband
Speaker 6: touched this hair, and I want it off my head.
Speaker 6: I want to cut, I want it gone off of me.
Speaker 6: I want a new fresh start. So I think the
Speaker 6: way No, I'm I'm just thinking it's all at least
Speaker 6: half of it's got to go. It's got to go.
Speaker 5: So I, oh, Julia, pretty frightened, looking like very intimidating,
Speaker 5: no one want to with you.
Speaker 4: She just got mohawk.
Speaker 6: I could be a ginger mohawk kind of gal. I
Speaker 6: might I might do that.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 6: We'll see, but I'm gonna go with the waning moon
Speaker 6: on this one, Jin because I need a new me,
Speaker 6: a new year.
Speaker 1: Knew me.
Speaker 11: Well.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that I could rectify that, because I did.
Speaker 2: I felt bad leaving you on the waiting thing knowing
Speaker 2: that there was two, but I didn't really think of
Speaker 2: that at first, so I'm glad I could correct it.
Speaker 2: So thank you for giving me that, and of course,
Speaker 2: thank you to JJ for inviting me to do these
Speaker 2: ocall film reviews. Everybody knows it's my favorite. I love
Speaker 2: the Agitator podcast as well with J David Osborne, and
Speaker 2: he's going to come on my show, and you know,
Speaker 2: they talk about Japanese movies. Obviously, doing cinema reviews is
Speaker 2: kind of my secret dream as a podcaster, but I'm
Speaker 2: more of an occultist really, so thank you so much now.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you all. It's one of my favorite films.
Speaker 5: I'm glad we got a chance to discuss it. Definitely
Speaker 5: a big fan of the Golden Child, and thanks to
Speaker 5: all folks of the interwebs for joining us again. JJ
Speaker 5: Vance not the Vice President host of Operations G c
Speaker 5: D also co host of Fridays There with Nick from
Speaker 5: the The Cult Rejects Operations g c D mash up there, So.
Speaker 4: Thanks again everyone, have a good evening.
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