WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:01.639 A bed that are. 2 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:33.119 Trigger warner. 3 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:37.719 This podcast may include explicit content that will take you 4 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.399 out of your comfort zone and make you question reality. 5 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.840 Listener's discretion is advised. 6 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.280 Howdy folks, your host Double J back here, coming at 7 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:23.000 Live slash Live from my studio slash RV dining room 8 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.799 located directly outside the city of Little Port of Prince, Ohio, 9 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:33.959 the city formerly known as Springfield, Ohio. You know, apparently 10 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:39.519 the place where they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs. Anyhow, folks, 11 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:43.079 once again your host Double J here, I will be 12 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:47.040 your pilot navigator for tonight's Shenanigan infused journey into the 13 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:51.079 mind of this particular garbage can. Dude, got a real 14 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:54.280 barn burner on deck for you folks here tonight, and 15 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:57.719 we're gonna go through a in a cult and or 16 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:04.560 esoteric review of the nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece starring 17 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:08.360 Eddie Murphy The Golden Child, and joining me here tonight 18 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:12.560 is Nick from the Occult Rejects. Nick Welcome, Welcome, sir. 19 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:14.319 What's going on man? Thank you very much? 20 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.840 And fellow oh for sure, and fellow occult Rejects Cosmic Pete, 21 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:20.400 Julia and Jen the Ninja. 22 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.919 How what's up. 23 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:28.639 Welcome back to Operation GCD, Jen and Julia, Welcome. 24 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.439 You've been on. We've done Fridays, I Think Together, and. 25 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:34.039 Some other shows, but this is your your first Operation 26 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:37.319 GCD experience, so welcome. 27 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.680 Yeah, the grass is greener over here. I think I 28 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:44.919 like it. I like the air over here nice, I. 29 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.120 Like green grass. I think, Nick, Nick, you agrees me 30 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.759 on that one. He knows what I'm talking about. Yes, yes, 31 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.840 So I'm glad to hear this came together in an 32 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:01.120 unofficial fashion in such a fantastic way, because quite honestly, 33 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:03.599 this spun out of tonight's. 34 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:05.319 Show reviewing The Golden Child. 35 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:07.639 If folks aren't familiar with the film, I will be 36 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:12.719 playing a brief trailer here for us, and before we 37 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:14.560 dive into any of the details that I found the 38 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:18.759 original trailer that was the I guess it was from 39 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:21.120 early nineteen eighty six because it came out in December 40 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:23.960 of eighty six. I believe the film did. So it's 41 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.520 a it's a great it's a great trailer from It's 42 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:27.759 a perfect eighties trailer. 43 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:29.280 So it does a great job. 44 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:32.159 It actually explains the story and the narrative of the plotline, 45 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:34.759 whereas today's trailers do none of that. And there's so 46 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.599 many trailers I watched today, I'm like, what the fuck's 47 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:38.520 this movie even about? 48 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:45.159 Man? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean. 49 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:47.319 It's quite honestly, I think it's the formula in which 50 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:51.039 Hollywood makes films today. And that's one example. Don't want 51 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:52.360 to go off on too big of a tangent, but 52 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:55.280 one example. There was a film about ten years ago. 53 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.080 It was a Spanish language film even and it was 54 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.520 supposed to be a drama film, and it was apparently 55 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:03.719 this you know, they put a lot of money into it, 56 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:06.120 so for some reason they wanted to try to save it. 57 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:09.560 So it was gonna be completely shit canned in the 58 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.599 studio called in I believe it was Keanu Reeves to 59 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:14.759 come in for two weeks film a bunch of sea. 60 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:26.519 Oh sh listen, throws on your own show my. 61 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:31.120 Back, My Back, where I cut out romance drama. 62 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:33.399 Reeves. 63 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.000 Yeah, they called it Kanu to film like two weeks 64 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.360 the ship, and they changed into a crime, some. 65 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:39.360 Sort of crime thriller. 66 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:43.040 They went from romance drama to crime thriller from two 67 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:44.959 different languages. As I'm just saying, a lot of films 68 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:47.560 are very formulaic, and this in this day and age, 69 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:49.600 when they can pull off of something like that, I 70 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:52.319 don't think anyone solid in theaters anyway. But nonetheless, like 71 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:55.680 you know, until the last two weeks of filming, it 72 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:59.959 was a it was a Spanish language romance, you know film, 73 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:01.920 and then they brought in Keanu and made it some 74 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:04.720 sort of crime thriller, you know, in English speaking, So 75 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:07.600 again you know they don't. You know what I'm getting 76 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:09.639 at is, you know, I think there was a certain 77 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.639 craft to filmmaking still in the eighties, not only just 78 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.079 the writing as I'm pointing out, the plot lines and 79 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:19.279 the trailers even described these fucking films, but the you're 80 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:20.879 rubbing off on me, Julia with with. 81 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:22.680 All your cursing like a sailor, I feel like I 82 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:27.120 have to curse the uh the I mean. 83 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.120 I'm an old retired senior masters artant, so I'm sorry, 84 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.079 master start senior and CEO from the Air Force, so 85 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:33.839 it doesn't take me much. But I'm not a sailor. 86 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:35.720 But you know, it's about the same language, you know 87 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:36.160 what I mean. 88 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:38.879 To push you in that direction, that's. 89 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.240 What That's what I'm saying. I didn't. 90 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:44.240 I did that for twenty years in the Air Force, 91 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:45.800 right it wasn't. It wasn't a navy, But it's the 92 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:52.079 same difference, I suppose. But so also I think this 93 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:54.920 this film was great in the special effects, right M 94 00:05:55.519 --> 00:06:00.759 for the eighties, Yeah, it was I think so pretty monumental, 95 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.040 Uh you know achievements I think they did with some 96 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:04.079 real time special effects. 97 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:05.920 Yeah, like when the guy goes to like meditate and 98 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:08.040 the bad guy shows up and like everything blows away 99 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:10.240 and it's just yeah, I thought that was pretty impressive. 100 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:15.000 Then there's yeah, there's a lot of those scenes right well. 101 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:17.279 To riff off your point, JJ, which I think is 102 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.879 really good is there's a technical aspect of filmmaking obviously, 103 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.319 because they were using actual cameras, actual celluloid And I 104 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.920 think that that plays a big part in technical craftsmanship 105 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:31.720 because if you don't do something, how would you know 106 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:35.800 how to do it? So if you're relying on digital, 107 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:38.399 and I'm not an anti digital, especially for the early 108 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:40.720 two thousands, I think it was really cool that there's 109 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.240 a lot of shows that like have that interesting like 110 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:47.360 darker blue kind of filter that you can only really 111 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.800 do with digital, like handicams and I think that that 112 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:54.360 was innovative. But I think, really this is something totally different. 113 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:56.480 This is like that. I think this is why you 114 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:57.920 like it. I think this is why I like it. 115 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.480 And it's and I think this ulia like said and 116 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.199 also Nick, because it's like something classic. It's something that 117 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:05.839 we all can refer to. There's a grammar, it's very 118 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:07.959 coherent as a film language. 119 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.240 Oh for sure, I'm anti cigyah, so I definitely do. 120 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:13.639 Yeah. 121 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.439 I mean, you know what I would compare it to. 122 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.000 It's like a lot of the movies that come out recently. 123 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:20.600 It's like I think I heard somebody else say this too, 124 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:24.240 but the Marvel movies and stuff like that, it's like 125 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:28.079 it's like going to a theme park and you ride 126 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.680 the rides and you woo and then it's over with. 127 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.959 Whereas movies in the eighties and before that obviously, and 128 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:38.720 even some movies in the nineties maybe early two thousands, 129 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.639 they were more like a story. They were more like 130 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:46.920 an experience, like a you get like enthralled with it, 131 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:50.120 you and it's like it takes you on a journey, 132 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.839 whereas now it's like kind of just bread and circusy 133 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.959 type stuff. It's like just fill your mind with this 134 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:00.600 garbage and be happy, be with it. 135 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.519 I mean, oh for sure, it's terrible, right they just 136 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.800 call it in with writing. Yeah, that's what I was 137 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:08.600 getting that when you can just call on Keanu and 138 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.079 change your entire language of your film and genre of 139 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:11.759 your film. 140 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:14.920 In two weeks, Like clearly there's a formula these films, right. 141 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:20.399 Great, Yeah, And I think the comedy was better back then. Like, 142 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:23.839 don't get me wrong, I like super Bad and like 143 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.720 Jet Appatole movies. I like that kind of comedy because 144 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.120 I'll watch that stuff too, Pineapple Express, But there was 145 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.799 something about like the eighties comedy that was like a 146 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:38.440 full belly laugh. Like I hate to even say it, 147 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.240 but eighties movies that I grew up on were like 148 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:45.799 The Burbs and Money Pit. I know Tom Jinks is 149 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:49.679 a shithead, but like those movies made me laugh so hard. 150 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:53.480 All Eddie Murphy movies made me laugh so hard, And 151 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:56.360 when I go back and watch them again even now, 152 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.600 I'm still laughing at the same like five jokes, just 153 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.440 over and over again, like they're still so funny. 154 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:05.960 That's one of the things I love about this movie 155 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:08.320 is that he plays Axel Foley basically, so it's like 156 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:12.000 Beverly Hills cop, but he's an LA private detective solving 157 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:15.519 satanic you know, you know, kidnapping by a satanic cold 158 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:17.919 of a young girl. He has some fighting demons, this 159 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.240 little Tibetan kid that turns out to be a girl. 160 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.159 I thought that was a was a boy in the film. 161 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.279 It turns out to be a girl, not trances. 162 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:26.039 Yeah, it's a girl. 163 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:28.919 That's a girl. That's a girl. I don't want to 164 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:30.759 I want to spoiler alert. They don't tell you that 165 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:32.399 in the film though. I just found that out actually 166 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:35.679 not that long ago. I could pop up my YouTube feed, like, 167 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:37.320 you know, where are they now? 168 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.240 You know, Golden Golden Child. 169 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.840 You know, and Eddie Murphy's looking rough, but I like 170 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:43.440 Eddie Murphy in the early eighties, you know. 171 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:46.240 And again they're like they were like, hey, this is 172 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:47.000 the boy. 173 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:48.480 From the Golden Child. I'm like, that's a girl. They're 174 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:51.080 like yeah, And I was like, oh, that's trans he 175 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.240 was a girl the entire time. I'm like, well, that's bizarre. 176 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:58.559 I didn't whoa Okay, well I did not know that. Yeah, 177 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.360 that's a fun fact. I could have swore it was 178 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:04.440 a boy, but before. 179 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:07.080 I before I played the trailer and uh turned it 180 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:08.559 over before I turned it over to y'all for any 181 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:12.320 any other comments here to start off the show, did you? 182 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:12.679 Uh? 183 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:14.799 I just want to point out, this is my favorite 184 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.600 era of Murphy, like you were saying there, Julia, like 185 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.320 later Murphy I could do without, you know, pre pre 186 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:24.759 trans hooker Murphy. You know, I remember that incident in 187 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.120 the nineties were suddenly Eddie Murphy's associated with all these 188 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.440 transgendered hookers on the streets of l A. 189 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:32.320 And then he. 190 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:34.759 Gets busted by the tabloids. Actually he gets busted by 191 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:37.440 Entrew Breitbart. He's the one he busted who broke that story. 192 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.080 And then suddenly these uh is Eddie's friends, Eddie's transgendered 193 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.200 hooker friends, are getting thrown off the tops of buildings 194 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:48.039 all of a sudden, strange tale strange, I mean, was the. 195 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:53.279 Uh time that like Boomerang and Vampire in Brooklyn and like. 196 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:58.960 Yeah, exactly, it was every yeah, everything, I'm good with everything. 197 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:03.000 Before that, okay, okay, did. 198 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:05.480 Whatever he got into around that time. And to be 199 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:06.960 honest with you, I think the reason a lot of 200 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.480 eighties films, a lot of eighties comedies were so good is. 201 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:16.480 Cocaine maybe Harlem Knights. 202 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.360 Very Cocaine Field. No, I think all these productions like 203 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:23.240 very cocaine Field. In fact, Tonight's Tonight's production The Golden 204 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:26.759 Child is only you have a one degree of separation 205 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.879 from Bob Cocaine Evans. 206 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:31.879 The production of this film. 207 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.559 So you're talking Hollywood and you're talking cocaine field nineteen 208 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:37.840 eighties films. This is right in the epicenter of that 209 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.879 wheelhouse because, like I said, it's ultimately the green it's 210 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.919 the green light of the film from Paramount Pictures is 211 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:48.080 the guy that Bob Evans hires to replace him there 212 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:51.559 when he gets he gets this independent producer role on 213 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:54.039 the lot until eighty one when he gets popped for 214 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.200 them cocaine trafficking charges and then his buddy Barry Diller 215 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:00.600 throws them off a lot is the udge and goes 216 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:01.759 and Barry Diyler is. 217 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:03.080 A very important character. 218 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:07.720 But yeah, he's uh, he was Bob, Bob co cocaine 219 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:08.480 Bob's underling. 220 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:12.519 So well, I before you play the trailer there, I 221 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:14.679 just have to say two things. I get exactly what 222 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:17.039 you're saying, but there is a movie he made later 223 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:21.240 in life that's called Life. Do you remember that one 224 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:22.639 he was older. 225 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:23.879 I think with Martin Lawrence. 226 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:27.759 Yeah, that's still one of my Yeah, still one of 227 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:31.639 my faves. I know he was kind of on his 228 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:33.919 way out at the time, but I still love that 229 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:38.399 movie and unpopular opinion, I actually think his brother is 230 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:43.639 funnier than he is. Charlie Murphy. Charlie Murphy, Charlie Murphy. 231 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:47.519 Well please, while you're still there talking to Julie, please 232 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.240 introduce your show since I didn't give you the proper 233 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:50.600 time here to do that thus far. 234 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:55.480 Oh well thanks. Yeah, I have Cosmic Peach podcast available wherever. 235 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.320 Really happy to be here tonight because I've been looking 236 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:02.519 for somebody to cover this movie with me for two 237 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:07.279 years now, and either no one's interested, or they haven't 238 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:11.600 seen it, or they don't understand why I think it's significant. 239 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:15.240 But so when you mentioned it the other night, I 240 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:16.840 was like, if you don't let me on that one, 241 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:22.000 I'm going to cry and just be in the comments, 242 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.679 shitting on you guys the whole time I should have 243 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:27.039 been on this one. Fucking you guys. 244 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:29.279 I was excited to see that you were so into 245 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:30.799 it because this is one of my favorite Films, and 246 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.039 we kind of we did Big Trouble a Little China 247 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.519 a few months ago, and the kind of the spin 248 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:37.399 off of that is we decided to do this because 249 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.919 this was the competing Hollywood project too, Big Trouble, Little China, 250 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:43.559 and share some of the same actors as Big Trouble, 251 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.879 Little China, not just Victor Wong, who had a very 252 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:47.360 great year. 253 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:48.080 He might have had the. 254 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:51.519 Best year in Hollywood for an Asian actor north of 255 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:53.159 fifty years old. 256 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:57.879 He he won that year that category. 257 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:02.120 Isn't he chang in the in Trimors? 258 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:07.320 Yeah, he's the grandfather in the Three Ninjas trilogy, which 259 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:08.679 was a big part of my childhood. 260 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:12.519 Yeah. I loved Trimors when I was little. And then 261 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:14.559 when I was doing the notes today, I was like, 262 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:17.240 I put in the side note, I said, did anyone 263 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:22.440 else realize that the old guy is changing from Trimmers? 264 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:25.679 That old guy, Maam is egg Chen egg Chin's a legend. 265 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:30.440 He did and he killed it in this one too. 266 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.919 Right, Oh yeah, for sure one hundred. 267 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:35.799 That's what I'm saying he was. He was killing it 268 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:41.000 in nineteen eighty six, a big year that year. So 269 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.159 and Nick Jen before we play the trailer and start 270 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.799 to start the show here and he may offer you 271 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:48.639 any comments. And what are you all working on over 272 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:51.159 there at the Occult Rejects, Nick, I know you're you're 273 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:53.600 pumping out new shows every day of the Occult All 274 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:54.639 was just out today. 275 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:58.320 Huh yeah, yeah, yeah, they cult Elvis. That was fun. Actually, 276 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:02.639 that was really interesting. Julie was there for that as well. Yeah, 277 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:03.000 you were there. 278 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:05.519 I was there. I've seen too. 279 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:11.879 Yeah, totally forgot. I'm burnt. Yeah, we had that. 280 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:13.799 That's a good show though, I really I really enjoyed that. 281 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:15.320 I haven't got a chance to re listen to, but 282 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:17.799 the first time I listened to when I was there, 283 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:18.600 it was a good show. 284 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:18.840 Yeah. 285 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:19.960 It spread off to Tuesday World. 286 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:24.440 That's right, that is worth Tuesday Weld. I really liked 287 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:25.559 that show. That was a good one. 288 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.159 I was just as excited when you brought up Tuesday 289 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.279 Weld as you were sounding like as you were excited 290 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:32.200 when I brought up The Golden Child. 291 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:36.480 It's a full circle moment here for the Occult Rejects. 292 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:40.279 It's a full circle We're the dream team at this point. 293 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.519 I I like that. I like that we got some 294 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:46.240 Red Hefer stuff coming out this week. 295 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:48.639 So nice. 296 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:51.440 Yeah, some stuff what you did with broadcasting seeds. We 297 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.120 got that coming out Friday for people listening now, and 298 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.639 over the weekend we will have for audio listeners. Uh, 299 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.759 then you probably wouldn't be watching now. But Mormon Mafia 300 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:02.360 part for dropping audio. 301 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:07.399 Oh yeah, that's a great series. J Jen's involved in 302 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:09.080 that one, Archie Jen. What's what's going on over there? 303 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:09.279 Gen? 304 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.000 You hid now is a ninja you're doing ninja stuff. 305 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:14.279 Nie, JJ. But thank you so much for inviting you. 306 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:18.799 I'd love to do especially this cinema. Oh call reviews. 307 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.600 This is obviously our second one. And of course my 308 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:25.960 boss Nick mister ninety three thirty three, but I'll give 309 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:27.600 I'll upgrade him this time. 310 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:28.320 There you go. 311 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.360 So I have a I have two notes actually, so 312 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:35.240 i'll do those at the end. So this is one 313 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:38.120 is about sure Elves. I think it's very interesting. I 314 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.039 think Julia will be actually interested in it. And if 315 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.600 Heidi's listening, so shout out Heidi. I think she'll actually 316 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.919 find it interesting to you. And then I have a 317 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:49.799 note about the cutting your hair on waxing and waning 318 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:54.519 moon because we talked about this literally yesterday or the other. 319 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:56.559 Night I'll just say that that just came up, right. 320 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:58.759 That's right. So I have a note about that, so 321 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:01.159 I will come back to that. But I have a show, 322 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:08.160 Threshold Saints. It's speculative ontology. We're exploring metaphysics through pop culture. 323 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.519 But it's not like Julia if you watch Julia's show, 324 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.279 and I obviously want everyone to watch Julia show, but 325 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.160 it's a different We approach it from different ways. I 326 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.279 look at everything through parafection and through like a technical 327 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:26.920 kind of cabala contra mixture, crazy wild wisdom. So if 328 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:31.279 you're interested in that, you can definitely subscribe. And I 329 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:34.200 just dropped a three part episode on ralph Blocksheet and 330 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:37.640 then I'm also dropping another episode this week, so yeah, 331 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:44.440 big thanks for that. But okay, so note about Tuesday Welds. 332 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:46.759 So I think what this is. When I was watching 333 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.240 the episode, I was so excited. Best episode. I think 334 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:51.480 one of my favorites, personal favorites. I thought it was 335 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:56.759 so phenomenal. Okay, So for Tuesday, I actually think she 336 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:01.559 embodied this concept called the Eyeschef Zenuni. So this is 337 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:05.680 the sometimes us translated as the Virgin horror, but it 338 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:09.160 can also be trans understood as the princess of the klipus. 339 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:13.799 So there's a that's a literal virgin, right, right, Jen, Yes. 340 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.519 Like that, Yeah, because it was all about sex magic, right, 341 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:22.160 So you had, but Tuesday would have never participated physically. 342 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:26.000 If I'm just saying, if she fills that archetype, there's 343 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:26.960 no I hear you. 344 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.039 I was just being a smart ass. So this is a. 345 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:31.799 Totally right, you're totally right. No, No, you're totally right. 346 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.480 I just was meaning that if she embodies that concept, 347 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:39.160 that's why she remained one reason. Maybe you could say 348 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:41.039 then the other ones dead end? 349 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:43.839 Would you would you say, this is a powerful position 350 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:46.279 within a occult network what you're describing. 351 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:48.240 Yeah, she would have It would have been like the 352 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:51.839 highest of the highest. Interesting, it would have been like 353 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.480 the person who channeled whatever they're channeling. 354 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.160 Would you be like considering it like I'm trying to 355 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.880 understand the it's the type of feminine. Would it be 356 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:02.279 more of like an empress card instead of netsuck is 357 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:03.519 kind of getting in? 358 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:08.319 Yes, yes, it's more eosotic with a little hode maybe. 359 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:12.039 Yeah, all right, it's released. 360 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.759 Well, I think that until she got married, she had 361 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:21.799 to maintain a like degree of virginity. I'm not saying 362 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.720 that she wasn't involved in sexual things. I'm sure that 363 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:28.079 what she did I actually kind of knows. I'll just 364 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:32.160 say it is that I think what she was directed 365 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:36.640 the sexual activities of other people. That's how I would 366 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.240 understand it in a more technical way. Obviously, I don't 367 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.839 think of things as sex magic or whatever. I've just 368 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:44.400 been looking at it more technically, so I think she 369 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:47.599 would sort of channel the daikini or whatever they're doing, 370 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:51.799 the feminine, divine force. But her mind is virginal, so 371 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:55.200 she doesn't you know, she's not the horror. Particularly, she's 372 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.839 a virgin horror. So she maybe direct sexual actions of 373 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:04.359 people around her, but she's not herself well that engaged. 374 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:08.720 I didn't describe Tuesday Weill's activity. She's very much the. 375 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:11.599 Director, a p didyt his buddy. 376 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:17.720 It's like how cocaine Bob Evans brought together the lovely 377 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.680 couple of Room and Polanski and Sharon Tate in nuptials, 378 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:23.960 only for Sharon Tate to you know, on her on 379 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:27.279 Town with Demise. I often wonder was that the plan going. 380 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:32.960 In pulling the strings behind? 381 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:35.359 And that that is correct me. I mean I would 382 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:36.960 say that's Tuesday. Well, and I'm glad you brought that 383 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:40.880 up there, Jen, because tonight's discussion includes satannic cold activity 384 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:45.119 in and around Los Angeles, California, which is where she'd 385 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:47.599 be pulling them strings from. So and I think there's 386 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:49.880 a good tie into that to that whole scene with 387 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.720 this whole film, not as much as the comparison and 388 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:55.599 I just did here with a dragonet in the comparison 389 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.279 of the processed church activities and around Los Angeles Hera 390 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:03.559 nineteen eighties. I highly recommend that, but there'll be more 391 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:07.720 satanic cold activity and weird blood rituals. But on that note, 392 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:10.359 we will watch the trailer here and get back to 393 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:12.799 uh unpacking these ideas here. 394 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:30.160 In one moment, every thousand generations, a perfect child is born, 395 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:35.759 a child with magical powers, a child sent to. 396 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:40.000 Bring good into the world, a goodly child. 397 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.720 And now this child has been kidnapped by the forces 398 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:50.039 of evil, as foretold by the Nietzschung Oracle. 399 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:52.000 Only one man can. 400 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:56.119 Find him, only one man can rescue him. 401 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.039 He is a man from a city of angels. 402 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:01.519 He has a man who does what he's writing to, 403 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:07.240 A brave man, a true man, it is his destiny 404 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:14.279 to save a golden child. He is chosen plot. 405 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:17.599 If I'm the chosen one, how come I'm. 406 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:20.160 Freezing while you're sitting in the one movie theater. I'm 407 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:23.519 going back to la and kicking somebody's bahar. This isn't 408 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.240 supposed to be happening to me, chosen one, my behave? 409 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:30.839 Why can somebody choose me to go to the Bahamas? Hawaii? 410 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:34.720 Is nice? You can send me to Vegas a chosen way. 411 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:39.640 I love it? 412 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:43.799 Right it describes the whole movie and the plotline of 413 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:46.160 the film, and and he breaks the fourth wall, which 414 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:47.200 is which I thought was great. 415 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:48.359 Mm hmm. 416 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.759 But it's also like when when it starts at the 417 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:55.960 beginning and all the serious stuff, like wouldn't who wouldn't 418 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:57.359 want to watch that movie? 419 00:22:57.960 --> 00:22:58.160 Right? 420 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:03.240 Very Yeah, it's so mysterious you want to see more, 421 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.400 and then it's in with the comedy. I mean, geez, 422 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:07.640 what else can you ask for? 423 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:12.599 Definitely grasp your attention to Meily, right m m. It 424 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.440 turns out that's not too bad. That's Mammoth Lakes, California. 425 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:17.920 But strangely enough, they did a great job of that too. 426 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:19.160 Mm hmmm. 427 00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:22.559 Well, I do want to point out this is obviously 428 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:25.559 one of my notes, but the idea of the Golden Child, 429 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:28.599 right off the bat, this is this is an actual 430 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:32.759 Buddhist idea, but it is also a theosophical idea. So 431 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.240 I just want to be very clear that when I'm 432 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.519 going to discuss that, I'm going to refer to actual 433 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.400 Buddhist ideas, but I'm aware of the theosophical ideas as well, 434 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:44.079 And I'm not saying it's bad because it's theosophical. I 435 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:46.559 think we're a way, we're all kind of past that, 436 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:50.039 you know, we we can look at things for you know, 437 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:53.720 the values are truth that they may hold or the false. 438 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:58.880 Said sure, sure, but obviously a lot of this falls 439 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:01.759 around the ideas of Tibetan Buddhism. 440 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.039 As the main. 441 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.640 Character here Axel Foley, they call Axle, they call them, 442 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:08.519 you know something else in this film, but it's clearly 443 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:09.440 Axl fully. 444 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:14.599 And Chandler Jerl, Chandler Jerald, right, which is a nod. 445 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:17.359 I guess to the the story that this is kind 446 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.480 of based off of this crime noir story that involves Tibet, 447 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:24.279 So I guess he went through some rewrites in Hollywood, 448 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:27.039 but end up including which I think is interesting because 449 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:30.599 it didn't initially include a satanic cult. That was something 450 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:31.839 they added on along the way. 451 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.960 Well, this is what's interesting to me. And when I 452 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:38.960 cover movies, I usually try to like go from the 453 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:41.359 opening scene all the way through the body of the 454 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:46.759 movie to the title or the end sequence whatever. Yeah, 455 00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:50.519 and so my first note is that it opens up 456 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:55.039 in Tibet, and the significance of Tibet. I feel like 457 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:58.400 it's kind of obvious, just because there have been so 458 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:02.680 many occultists who were in inspired or channeled beings that 459 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:09.599 were from Tibet, including Madam Blovotsky, Alster Crowley, Alice Bailey. 460 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:16.440 They all said that they channeled beings, Tibetan beings, and 461 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:23.279 there was even an expedition. Hitler actually put together this 462 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:26.839 expedition and it was like some of the best soldiers 463 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:31.079 he had, and he sent them to Tibet, and that's 464 00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:35.680 where they brought back the sigil er symbol of the swastika, 465 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:39.960 and they hijacked it to do what they did with it. 466 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:44.920 But so Hitler, Madam Blovotsky, Alster Crowley, and Alice Bailey 467 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:47.480 all had an obsession with Tibet. 468 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:53.440 Don't forget Rich peg. The list goes on, right, the 469 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:54.079 list goes. 470 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:57.559 On, Yes, there is. 471 00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:00.200 A strange fascination with the you know it. 472 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:07.319 Well, I'll add this because obviously I practice Paultreana, so 473 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.960 I will say it's it's sorcery. I mean, like, if 474 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:13.000 you're interested in magic, it's a it's a really great 475 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:17.279 system and it combined Buddhist but it's all Buddhist ideas, 476 00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:20.400 so you're not really June in wizards, right, So you're 477 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:24.640 you're using your mind, You're using the conceptual ideas of sorcery, 478 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:27.839 especially like that. You know, every we always laugh, I 479 00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:31.759 always tease, like the dharma practitioners who aren't Asian because 480 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:35.079 obviously I'm half half, so we call them Westoid. So 481 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:37.319 I'm just gonna use that really quickly. But it's not 482 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:39.400 in a pejorative but there. 483 00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:41.240 Is sounds like it, Bro, what are you talking about 484 00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:42.440 that pejorative? 485 00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:46.039 Well, it's because I'm a west Joy too, really, right, 486 00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:47.480 because like you know. 487 00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:50.079 Your self identified Westwood. 488 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:52.680 It just sounds it sounds like a negative you know, 489 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.079 some sort of negative derogatory statement. 490 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.079 Right, you're absolutely, But I think that we I think 491 00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:00.279 that I like the idea that it could be like 492 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.599 you could say the word is like just a vessel 493 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.559 that it can contain, like any idea that we want. 494 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.799 So I'm like being very discordion I guess, but felf 495 00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:11.000 preferentially using it. 496 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:13.039 I'm not gonna lie to you. Jen you could convince 497 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:14.799 me you just made that word up. I have no idea. 498 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:15.720 I have the first time I've. 499 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.519 Ever heard it, so it's very online. It's very like 500 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:23.519 probably is it ken it isn't keno? Keino? 501 00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.839 It definitely that word too recently, I still haven't really 502 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:27.680 grasped the concept. 503 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:29.160 That's why I have to keep asking, is that keno? 504 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:29.559 You know? 505 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:29.799 So? 506 00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:32.039 You know you always say it's like it's true keino. 507 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.160 That's the real that's the real way to do it. 508 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.640 And if you're really cool like me, you do the 509 00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.240 U you do with a V, so you do like 510 00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.440 true keino but it's all lowercase, and then you do 511 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:44.000 like ko ki n o. 512 00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:47.960 I appreciate, but I'm not sure if I'm any closer 513 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:49.720 to understanding what is or is not keno. 514 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:51.920 So I probably can contain to ask these. 515 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:56.079 Questions that it just means. Is it really aesthetic? Is 516 00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:00.759 it beautiful? Is it like capturing? I kind of the 517 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.000 light has to be captured in a specific way. You 518 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.119 can almost say a realistic way. There's like filtered through, 519 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:10.319 like layers of maybe their gradients of color on the screen. 520 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:12.920 So it's like anything that's really beautiful, like a sunset, 521 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:14.720 can be very key. Now that doesn't have to be 522 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:15.519 on the screen. 523 00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:18.799 I think I'd be cracking. I have a very keynote 524 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:20.720 scene on deck here force in a few minutes from 525 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:22.400 the film. I think, I think when I bring it up, 526 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.599 I think you'll know what I'm talking about. So this 527 00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.559 the film goes into bed right, so we already automatically 528 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:32.759 right at the start of the film, we see this 529 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.519 Tibetan Buddhism is the is the root of this the 530 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.359 story with this this young child. 531 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:40.400 Right they you know, they're they're they're. 532 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.240 He's hanging out in the temple right when we get 533 00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.279 when he gets uh, what do we call it kidnapped 534 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:47.960 or budden apped? 535 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:48.680 What do we calling this? 536 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:50.599 Yeah, kidnapped? 537 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:54.799 It's not a Buddha alert on everyone's cell phones. 538 00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:58.519 Golden napped? 539 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.279 Well, get my deities mixed up? Jen is it not 540 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:05.440 at alert? 541 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.720 He you could say he's a he's like a Tolku 542 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.559 which Tolku is like a reincarnated lama. It's like a 543 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.160 lama from a previous rebirth or or a saint or 544 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:23.400 a Maha sitter or an accomplished master. And so not 545 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.319 all schools of Tibetan Buddhism believe in it, but this 546 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.200 film in particular is very syncretic. Now it is really 547 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:33.640 important to know that the consultant Ken McLeod wrote a 548 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.680 like it's famous in Badriana circle, so he wrote the 549 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.640 Magic of Adriana, so he he gets it. He even 550 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.079 says like I have the wisdom and understanding, like he 551 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.200 that's the exact words he uses. So he gets it, 552 00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.440 like he's like he's in that clear view whatever he 553 00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.000 calls it like a lot of the time anyway, So 554 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:57.759 he he did not train in the specific school that 555 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.960 this is excuse me, sorry, that believes in Tolku's but 556 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.680 obviously it's drawing from multiple different schools of Buddhism. So 557 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.559 you can see this in the first scene with the 558 00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.200 yellow hats, so this is the majority sect. This is 559 00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.359 the Golucus school. So when they're wearing the yellow tall 560 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:21.599 yellow hats, that signifies usually what school they belong to. 561 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:24.480 And it's also interesting to note that the Yellow Hats, 562 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:29.200 the Yellow Hat Shamans are also a faction of Shamans 563 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.119 in Mongolia. So a lot of this has like Mongolian 564 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:35.599 kind of like CenTra. It's very Central Asian the whole thing. 565 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:38.319 It's not just Tibetan, Like Tibet used to be a 566 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:42.319 huge empire right at one time. So that's why it's 567 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:46.039 kind of like it was a large land like that 568 00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:53.279 range really from Mongolia, Manchuria well into almost Western Asia. 569 00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:56.759 So is this a yellow Hats you speak of anything 570 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.960 new with the Yellow Dragons, Well, it is interesting the 571 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:05.559 gang we see later in the film, it certainly could have. 572 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.279 You know, Temmy Tongks runs a place down at the restaurant. 573 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:14.000 Well, there's is clearly like an overlap. I think I 574 00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.039 think there's like a motif like dragons are not they're 575 00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:21.720 they're they're usually auspicious, meaning like lucky, so they're not inauspicious, 576 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.039 but there are a symbol of like power and strength, 577 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.079 and so yeah, dragons, and so. 578 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:28.759 We've got a lot of dragons here to I don't. 579 00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:30.880 We a lot of naugas for sure. 580 00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:36.680 You even have a half dragon half lady, right, Yeah, there. 581 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.279 Is one Well, you know what it reminded me of actually, 582 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:45.799 just hearing Gin talk about it a little bit, I'm 583 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:51.960 like halfway retarded when it comes to like anything other 584 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.480 than just like the basics of like Buddhism, this that 585 00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.200 like I studied, like the surface level of stuff. But 586 00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.319 what it reminded me of was, did you ever watch 587 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:05.400 Avatar The Last Airbender? And it's like this kid that 588 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:09.440 keeps getting reincarnated and he's got like all the power 589 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:12.640 and they have to train him and he's born every 590 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.519 like one hundred years or something like that. It reminded 591 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.799 me a lot of the story of the Golden Child. 592 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.920 For anybody else who watched that show. I liked it 593 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.519 when it was like a nineties Nickelodeon thing. 594 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:30.960 Yeah I'm doing right now, Julia, that's so really yeah, 595 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.400 But yeah, that is what he is. That's a very 596 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:35.799 good understanding of like he's an Airbender. 597 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:37.759 He's he's like a. 598 00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:41.319 Rebirth of someone who had you could say, quote unquote 599 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:45.039 magical powers. We would call them like cities or like 600 00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.680 spiritual accomplishments more than magic powers. And so he's reincarnated 601 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.400 into a Golden Child. So that's worth exploring. But I'll 602 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.720 let I'll let you decide where you want to take 603 00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.440 a JJ, but I'm ready with that when you want 604 00:32:58.440 --> 00:32:58.960 to go there. 605 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.480 Yeah, well we'll get back for sure. I appreciate that, Jim. 606 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:03.880 We'll get back to Tibet and chronological order from the film. 607 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.359 I think because they kidnapped, we don't really understand who 608 00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.559 this child is, the Golden Child, right, we just see him. 609 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:10.279 We go there. 610 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.319 It starts off into Bet like you point out, Julia, 611 00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:14.880 and then this kid gets kid he gets booed and 612 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.720 apt and then next thing you know, he's in Los. 613 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:25.400 Angeles and that's where we get introduced to Chandler Jerrell, 614 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:33.480 who is Eddie Murphy. And yeah, well I do have 615 00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.000 a just I like to point out though, some of 616 00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.319 the funniest parts in the movie as we go along 617 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.359 and the opening of you know, it shows like the 618 00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.200 Hollywood sign and you know, like, okay, we're no longer 619 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:47.880 in Tibet, this is the transition. Now we're in Hollywood, 620 00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.319 and it just shows him walking down the street and 621 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:56.400 he comes up behind a guy reading chunky Asses at. 622 00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:02.480 The Yeah, we don't have those anywhere doing the old newstands, right. 623 00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.720 I just thought I've always thought that was one of 624 00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:12.719 the funniest parts of the movie. He's like ass pie, right. 625 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.280 I was like, yo, when I watched it recently, I 626 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:19.559 was like. 627 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.800 I don't remember that, chunky asses. 628 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:24.039 Yeah, I didn't remember that. 629 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:32.159 Because this is the moment where we first meet Chandler Jerrol. 630 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.559 I have in my notes here. I looked at all 631 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.440 the names, but this is the only name that kind 632 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:44.599 of stood out to me, Chandler. That name means candle maker, 633 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:48.480 so I don't know if that's significant, but maybe. But 634 00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:54.039 his last name, Jerrel means spear ruler or rule by 635 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.119 the spear. So we have two different things that kind 636 00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.199 of make sense for why his name might be Chandler 637 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:05.280 Jerrel because he's like the chosen one. Maybe he's like 638 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.000 the light in the dark place. He's you know, the 639 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.559 candle and then he's the spear ruler. And then we 640 00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:14.559 get in we see this spear later on in the movie. 641 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.000 But yeah, I think, you know, even down to the names, 642 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.920 you can kind of pull cool stuff. 643 00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:23.119 Out of that. 644 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.000 So to payback or to riff, I'll call it riffing 645 00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:32.320 if and but it was a great point. And so 646 00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.440 the spear wielding thing is really interesting because I also 647 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.480 noted that, and because that is the golden child. So 648 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:42.119 in especially in theosophy, so the golden child is based 649 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:44.920 off of the Puranic figure. So when I'm saying Piranhas, 650 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:50.719 that's a kind of Hindu scripture that was written between 651 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:55.079 about the first century eighty till about the tenth century. See, 652 00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.079 so these aren't the vitas, but this is what more, 653 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.440 this is what my Hinduism really is based on. So 654 00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.039 what people call Hinduism now is not really Vedic. It's 655 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.239 really based on Kuranas, which is fine, nothing wrong with that. 656 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:15.360 So there's a Shiva, so everybody knows Shiva. He's he's blue, 657 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:19.039 he's ferocious, he has three lines on his forehead. They 658 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.320 worship him usually with a lingam, meaning like it's kind 659 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.880 of a phallic stone. Anyways, he has a son with 660 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.280 his wife, whose name is Shokti sometimes, and they have 661 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:33.280 a son named Kumara, which literally means the sun. So 662 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:37.119 he wields a spear in his right hand. Now, the 663 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.880 reason why he does this is very important because he 664 00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.920 throws away the left hand texts into sort of the 665 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.559 primordial water where they get swallowed by a giant whale. 666 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:54.800 So there's an idea here that the kumara, so a 667 00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:58.679 person who is thus reborn, but it's really an avatar 668 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:03.280 of this deity, can retrieve these left hand path texts, 669 00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:07.719 thus unifying synthesizing you could say the world tree or 670 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:12.880 the universe or conceptual mind with like nonconceptual thinking. Like 671 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:17.039 it's like a theosophical kind of like christ consciousness sort 672 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.159 of idea, Like they're talking about it like it could 673 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.639 be literal, but then there's also an idea that it 674 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.760 could also be maybe just a process of consciousness. 675 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:27.480 Sure, sure. 676 00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:31.800 You again, what's this theosophical stuff? You guys keep coming on? 677 00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:32.639 I saw you shake your head? 678 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:34.800 Nick? What was this? What's all this business about? 679 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:37.840 And I just thought that was interesting getting into narcissism. 680 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.079 Yeah, what do you think it's interesting about that? 681 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.280 So thinking about covering that myself recently. 682 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.440 What do you think about it? That's interesting? 683 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:49.880 Let's say to the story here, the narrative of the 684 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.920 tales of the Golden Child, you know, the a cult 685 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.119 understanding of these things, right, because that is this concept 686 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:04.719 of a golden child, is that in the theosophical folklore talking. 687 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.519 Well, this stuff is I would think the. 688 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:13.800 Jin Well, it's definitely in theosophy, like it's sheep bulbots. 689 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.599 He's definitely Alice Bailey definitely talks about it like Nick 690 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.559 suit Golden right, Yeah, and there's a it's a gnostic 691 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.320 idea too, it's the seth or the atom, although in 692 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.400 this case it's really the seth because Seth is the sun. Right. 693 00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.760 So this is like a child, so they can't be generative, 694 00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.519 meaning that like a father is a fully masculine force, 695 00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.000 he's generative, but a son isn't necessarily generative depending on 696 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.679 their age. So that's why they that's why they call 697 00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.079 it a child. So I mean when when you guys 698 00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.199 have covered like the you know, we always talk about 699 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.320 archetypes and how it's so important in magic that people 700 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:54.119 embody certain traits. While child can be both male and female. 701 00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:57.639 In a way, it's heard they're hermetic by themselves because 702 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.559 they're non generative because they're a child. So it's kind 703 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.159 of like the perfect vessel if you want to think 704 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:06.000 of it in a really theosophical way. The golden vessel 705 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.840 is like if you look at Catholic images. I've talked 706 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:12.280 to Nick about this million times, but like the Sacred 707 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.079 Heart images, I've talked to you JJ million times about this, 708 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.119 But the sacred Heart image is the perfect idea of it. 709 00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:21.400 It's the golden heart. So that's the golden vessel, the 710 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.599 golden child, and the kumara. So the idea is that 711 00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:26.000 you have. 712 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:27.960 You're talking like a rosen Krucian heart. Does that ever 713 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:28.519 come on the roads? 714 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:33.239 Very similar? It's all very interrelated, like there's a I 715 00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:35.960 think there's deep connections to all these things. I mean, 716 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.360 I personally look at everything more axial or I don't 717 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:43.519 like the word perennial, but sometimes people understand what I'm 718 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.599 talking about. What if I call it that? So yeah, 719 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:49.519 I think they're all interrelated, and I think theosophy's lifting 720 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.840 like a superficial layer and they're making connections. I don't 721 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:56.400 all agree with them, but I don't fully discard it either, 722 00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.360 because I think that they're also talking about something really 723 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.360 interesting and something also they are talking about like gnostic ideas, 724 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.079 but they're also ideas, and you know, they go beyond that. 725 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.159 There's obviously this whole film is about TNTRA, but you 726 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:13.639 could read it in a very sort of like theosophical 727 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.199 Buddhist kind of way, like a sort of mixture of 728 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.000 the two and that would totally make sense too. And 729 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.239 because there they all, all of them see this kind 730 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:27.599 of backdrop as very similar and obviously theosophy lays like 731 00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:31.199 a kind of narrative groundwork for them to build off of. Now, 732 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.559 Ken McLeod was one of the who is the consultant 733 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.000 for this film, very famous dharma author. 734 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.559 Well, I can already he's a Scott's irishman. 735 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:42.400 He is, he is. He even has an accent JJ, 736 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:48.360 but he he is. He was one of the last 737 00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:51.960 people to be trained in the pre modern Tibetan way. 738 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:56.239 So he was like, there aren't very many teachers that 739 00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:00.320 were trained like that, like before the advent of like selfans, 740 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.400 Like his teacher didn't even know what those things really were. 741 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.599 They were told it was more of a genuine source 742 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.199 instead of a kind of the bastardization of some of 743 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:12.760 the concepts. 744 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:13.559 I suppose what you're. 745 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.199 Saying right right, So he is drawing from like a 746 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.480 real layer. Now he as most vet Buddhists are open 747 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:26.159 to looking at seeds and other places, but it requires 748 00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:29.360 a high degree of discernment, just like it would in 749 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.280 a cabalistic way. So you the whole idea is like 750 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:36.039 rectify the words as they are or as you make them. 751 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.920 And so I'm saying words and I know that's kind 752 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:42.000 of meta, but the words are really important. And so 753 00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.360 this comes up a lot in the film obviously, because 754 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:48.039 you see like the sigils, the tan seed syllables, you 755 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:51.800 see soundscript writing covering the walls. Obviously this is like, 756 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:54.679 this is a big part of Buddhist magic is the word. 757 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.039 So you can even hear right away. There's even a 758 00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:01.280 relationship with Christianity. So there's no there's really there's something 759 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.440 similar between all the different kinds of magic, because that's 760 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:05.199 really all it is. 761 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:07.760 Sure, No, I have a couple I have a couple 762 00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:09.840 of scenes with some of that the schedules you're talking about, 763 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:12.440 we can see some of that stuff. I know what 764 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:14.639 you mean, Julie about the names and stuff. I definitely 765 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.960 agree with you. One of the weird names in this film, though, 766 00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.440 is the the valain here that the demon devil fellow 767 00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.599 old Sardo Numsa right? 768 00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:26.800 Does that? 769 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.159 Does that name have any gnostic meanings? In this Golden 770 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.199 Child references? Nick, what do you what is his name? 771 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.920 What do you make of the name Sardo Numsa? 772 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:38.480 One thing I did look up is specifically with that name, 773 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:44.159 is that him's his name in Chandler Jerrell, both equal 774 00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:48.239 the same, both equal one English Jamatra. 775 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:51.719 Oh that's interesting. 776 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.800 Yeah, that was interesting. 777 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:57.119 Yeah, some deep trimatria there in comparison thing, because that's 778 00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.960 a that's a weird ass name, right, Sardo numsa. 779 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:03.280 Real real quick just to like even get some of 780 00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:07.639 my stuff out that. Yeah, you're talking. There's just certain 781 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:09.199 things that got brought up that I want to try 782 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:14.760 to cover. When you mentioned the I guess theosophy I 783 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.519 started one of the things. The reason for that that 784 00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.159 piqued my interest is because I do think this movie 785 00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:25.800 has Cabbalistic attributes to it, and I do think if 786 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:29.199 you're into that, if you're into the Hamitic Kabala, especially 787 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.960 like put put it this way, if you're into Thalima 788 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.719 or kind of like looking at the way Crowley would 789 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.639 do stuff, you'll pull from different areas. So it's like 790 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:43.159 you could use Buddhism as an image because you can 791 00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.280 still convey the message with the way things match up 792 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.599 on the Tree of life, you know, hermetically and cabbalistically. 793 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.920 So I do think like you could you know, be 794 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:56.679 you could be using the Tree of life and using 795 00:43:56.679 --> 00:44:00.920 Norse gods to tell the story or Greek gods the story. Sure, 796 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:01.800 it doesn't matter. 797 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:04.880 I put that in my notes to Nick. I think 798 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:06.199 the exact same. 799 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.159 Thing, and I do think what you're saying, yeah, And 800 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:10.159 I do think it might. 801 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:16.880 Be today starring Keanu Reeves inspired possibly itself like the movie. 802 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:20.119 And one of the reasons is yeah. And one of 803 00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.559 the reasons yeah, why I wanted to mention that you 804 00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:25.880 had mentioned it, you know, Jin had mentioned it earlier, 805 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:27.320 and I was like, fuck it. Maybe I should have 806 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.840 just got my Jamatrius stuff off at the beginning, because 807 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:32.760 sometimes it can get boring. But he called me missed 808 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.480 the ninety three and then thirty three. Golden Child in 809 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:44.480 English equals ninety three. It also Saturn, Vishnu moonshock, yeah 810 00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:48.199 equals cash. But tell, I found this interesting, and I 811 00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:50.039 tried telling people this, this is why people were so 812 00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:55.960 obsessed with it. Hawked tua also equals ninety three. Uh 813 00:44:56.280 --> 00:45:01.519 it really yeah, and out of distance of society and 814 00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:05.480 Golden Child in Hebrew equals one to seventy. I found 815 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.320 that interesting. You still get a seventeen and then in 816 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.840 ninety three in the sense, and that does an equal 817 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.880 moon lamb of God in hand of God in April. 818 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.199 And do you find that interesting going with Golden Child 819 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:18.320 when it comes to. 820 00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:20.639 With the what's the significance there with April and the 821 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:21.280 Golden Child? 822 00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.880 Well, the golden child in my opinion, even when it 823 00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:29.719 comes to you, Kabbala, this fhear of tifferent matches gold. 824 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:31.960 You know that's related with the sun. And the specific 825 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:34.480 image that you can even use for that is a child. 826 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:38.360 So I was gonna ask about images because what's going 827 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:38.679 on here? 828 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:38.880 Right? 829 00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:41.360 Anyone interrupt you? But I feel like there's a lot 830 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:42.400 going on with this image. 831 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:44.559 I said the same thing. 832 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:50.119 It's really interesting, JJ, because you can say that throughout 833 00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.599 the film they also refer to Eddie Murphy as the 834 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:56.480 chosen One. So who really is the Golden Child? Like, 835 00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:58.960 who really is the Golden Child? Is it just like 836 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.320 a production out words? Is that with that little Asian 837 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.480 kid who is Filipino by the way, not even Tibetan, but. 838 00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.400 And and not a boy, that's definitely girl. 839 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:15.119 Well, it's very hermetic, it feels it almost to me 840 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:18.719 is someone who's interested in like hermetic Kabala. It does 841 00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:23.079 feel like a deliberate choice a girl who appears as 842 00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:23.480 a boy. 843 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.480 Oh oh, I see now, I wasn't even thinking of that. 844 00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:29.840 Nick Nicks checking his area. What do you all got on? 845 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:30.559 What do you all got on? 846 00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:34.000 That would be very old like I mean even even 847 00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:36.360 even the old man with you know, wiping the boogerund 848 00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.679 his ship when he was outside with the dude, I 849 00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:40.800 think was it at one point? Was he wearing like 850 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:42.480 orange at some point? 851 00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:44.840 That's even want to watch it? I got that clip 852 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:45.559 right here to watch. 853 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:46.960 I would even say that's kind of like where a 854 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:48.480 jokes that would land to as well. 855 00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:50.519 On hood he's a trickster character. 856 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.000 Yeah, well they already he's the magician. He's gone there 857 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:54.800 and come back. So he kind of realizes, like the 858 00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:56.119 world is a joke to a sense. 859 00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.079 This is the first this is the first time old 860 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:03.440 actual Acxule Foley meets this old wizard man Victor Wong. 861 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.039 But you're right, he does have some ore engine here. 862 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:06.920 I think he's got some red. 863 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.039 But which is it's kind of the same color as 864 00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:11.519 I was thinking of this back background of this image. 865 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.519 Right of the left plor too that would be orange, 866 00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:15.960 black and uh red. 867 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:19.719 Let's let's watch this this quick clip of when these 868 00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:21.360 two meet in the film. It's quite comical. 869 00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.239 Hey, wait a second, you took a hundred. You took 870 00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.159 the hundred. No, that's no seed. 871 00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.840 One dollar see one dollars for you see the George Washington. 872 00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:35.119 That's Benjamin Franklin. That's not happening. You've just you got 873 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:42.239 the wrong money. Can I have my money back? 874 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:45.960 And you gave me the. 875 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:46.920 Wrong necklace too? 876 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:49.440 Breaking my hot ash wipe? 877 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.159 Well you speak English just fine, so a lot of it. 878 00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:58.119 Hey listen, man, give me one hundred back, take this 879 00:47:58.159 --> 00:47:59.360 dollar and take this to give me. 880 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.639 The right one monkey breath, puke face, eat of turtlesteime. 881 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.679 Uh, okay, tell you what, Just give me my shit. 882 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:08.400 You take your ship. 883 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:09.519 I watch Scotch Pocket. 884 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:16.000 Okay, you slick shit. Hits that Victor Wong, he's a character. 885 00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:20.320 At some point when he's wearing his hat. I'm pretty 886 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.039 sure he's an orange, like an orange. 887 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:23.800 Yeah maybe in this side of the temple. I have that. 888 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:24.719 I have that clip as well. 889 00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.199 He turns into a bird there right, which I don't 890 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.159 know all this bird stuff with the cultism or not 891 00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:33.199 or any esoterically, but there's a bird guide in this film, 892 00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:34.960 and then that dude turns into a bird at one point, 893 00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:36.400 so I thought that was kind of strange. 894 00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:36.920 You know what. 895 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.719 The first miracle though, that he performs at the very 896 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:44.400 beginning of the movie is resurrect it's a bird, the 897 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:48.559 dead parrot. But it's that parrot, the same parrot that 898 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:54.079 follows him throughout the movie that the Wong guy transforms into. 899 00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:57.400 So he's actually the parrot from the beginning of the 900 00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:01.559 movie because if you, yeah, if you notice, like right 901 00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:04.960 as they kidnap him, that parrot fly out the door, 902 00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.519 and then it follows him throughout the movie, and then 903 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:11.639 he turns into the little Asian guy at the market, 904 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.159 and that's the first time you realize the parrot is 905 00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:18.360 actually this shaman guy's for lack of a better term, 906 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:21.920 but I was gonna say, it's interesting that they chose 907 00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:26.079 a girl to play a boy in this movie, or 908 00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:29.599 however you want to think about it, because and then 909 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:35.519 Jen said that she was Filipino and not even whatever 910 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:41.119 Tibetan or whatever there's whatever he's supposed to be. But 911 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:46.960 Night Shamalan did that same shit when he did the 912 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.239 live action version of Avatar the Last Airbender, because it 913 00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:54.199 was supposed to be an Asian boy, and the cartoon 914 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:59.320 is like an Asian cartoon. I don't think it's Japanese, 915 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.440 but it might be. But anyways, he picked a white kid, 916 00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:08.119 and he also changed the race of like all the 917 00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:14.119 different tribes and like made one tribe like people from India, 918 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:19.440 and he made another tribe like all Caucasians. And he 919 00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:23.000 basically took the idea and he like switched it all 920 00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.320 up and made it weird, and people hated that because 921 00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:29.320 it didn't follow the story like the cartoon. But I 922 00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.800 do think it's interesting because it's like the same idea 923 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:37.119 of this Last Airbender, you know, the Avatar, and he's 924 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.960 supposed to be this and that he took the character, 925 00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.840 made it a white kid, and then changed all the 926 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:47.639 other races throughout the tribes. So I don't know, it 927 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:49.320 could be significant in some way. 928 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:56.559 Yeah, right, yeah, for sure. I wanted that's a great point, Julia. 929 00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.000 I want to just pick you out riff off that 930 00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.800 and talk about the parrot for a moment. And this 931 00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:06.440 is a really significant contric kind of bird because it 932 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:08.360 is one of the well in Tandre at least it 933 00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:10.280 is considered to be the only bird that can mimic 934 00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:14.239 human speech. So it is the if you want to 935 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:16.599 liken it to like a goddess that you can then 936 00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:20.719 google or look up an image of her. It's called Matongi. Interestingly, 937 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:25.119 the rap artist Mia also had an album called Matonghi. 938 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.559 So it is the goddess who is very tiphoretic. So 939 00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:33.239 there's another tipperatic element actually in the naga kanya. So 940 00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.199 you guys were talking about before the snake woman or 941 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:40.440 the snake Princess, that's what she was, Draga the dragon lady. 942 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:44.280 She's a natriten. So this is like this is a 943 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:48.760 traditional idea, is that a naga kanya can tell is 944 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:52.239 like a prophet or a seer, like someone who has 945 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.920 like because they're in both worlds. A naga lives in 946 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.840 the subtle world, meaning like the spirit world, but a 947 00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:01.159 man lives or a person lives in the human world 948 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:04.079 and the animal world. So she's like half and half, 949 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.320 so she's like liminal, so she's able to access maybe 950 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:08.760 more spiritual knowledge. 951 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:11.360 Interesting, what are your thoughts on this? 952 00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:14.239 Common here we got Golden Child brings to mind the 953 00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:18.119 Golden Boy and Jade Girl of Chinese Miss Servants of 954 00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:20.519 the jade Emperor who said to Guy, the good people 955 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:21.159 to paradise. 956 00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.960 This is a great Yeah, this is a book comment. Sorry, 957 00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:31.440 it's very it's very KEYO. Yeah. Well, okay. So the 958 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.239 Buddhist idea is that it's they're the servants of guan Yin. 959 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:38.000 So if you look at Daoist depictions, not Buddhist depictions, 960 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.599 but Diwist depictions of her, she'll be with the two children. 961 00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:44.400 So the Jade girl is obviously that's the stone of us, 962 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.760 stone of nut SoC and the and then the Golden Boy. 963 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.440 He is tiporetic, but because he's a child, he's it's 964 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:53.559 like a ono for a ship like that. I mean, 965 00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:56.440 that's what that's what it is. He's like he's he's 966 00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.599 going on the path from Hod to the Sun, from 967 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:03.000 Hoe to different basically nice. 968 00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:05.880 You know, since we were speaking Cabala real quick, I just. 969 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:07.840 In there. 970 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.800 Jj uh. At some point later on in the movie, 971 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:15.039 this lady Keenang, however you say your name, she does 972 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.159 have like a green I don't know if it's jade, 973 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.320 but she does have like a green necklace on at 974 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:22.559 some point, and I do think again because of the child, 975 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.840 I think is is Tifferate. I do think that some 976 00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:30.239 point he Eddie Murphy is playing Hoad, and I do 977 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.239 think she's playing Netsuck. And I do think you actually 978 00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.639 see like in a sense throughout the movie. I do 979 00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.119 think it's actually crossing the ambiss and coming back, you know, 980 00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:40.400 and fighting the demons as part of it. 981 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.239 You know that story in Green's associated with that the 982 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.599 color of green or the stone of or jade or something. 983 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.519 Yeah, Well to show, yeah, she would be Netsuck, which 984 00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:50.719 would be the which would be a female green sphere 985 00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.599 at the bottom of the tree, right underneath the golden child. 986 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:55.840 And then you have Eddie Murphy, I think would be 987 00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.920 the guy on the left, the black pillar, but the 988 00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:04.360 orange guy, you know, the orange feah, you know. And 989 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:06.920 I do think they throughout the story. I think they 990 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.639 go up the tree. I think you see a progression 991 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:12.119 going up the tree. And I do think like the 992 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.199 parrot or whatever that bird is, that rainbow bird could 993 00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:18.440 possibly be the rainbow that emanates from netsc to Hoad. 994 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.960 There was a that And I also, like from my 995 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.280 own experience, I had wondered if if it is a 996 00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:26.719 story of crossing the abyss and going up the tree 997 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:29.320 of life, could that be like the rainbow bridge that 998 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:30.880 you will witness before you bless the. 999 00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:35.760 Following the whole way. 1000 00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:37.159 Yeah. 1001 00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:41.719 Yeah, it is a rainbow bird, very rainbowie mm hmmm. 1002 00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:45.280 So we're talking dragon ladies, we're talking all this Eastern 1003 00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:49.400 mysticism stuff. I got a clip relative to the film 1004 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:50.920 Your nine is one. In fact, it is indeed a 1005 00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:54.679 clip from the film, and it describes all these things, 1006 00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:59.039 the Golden childs, the Chosen Ones, the dragon ladies, and uh, 1007 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:00.920 I'll bring that up for right now. 1008 00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:03.639 So if something happens to the kid, the whole world 1009 00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:04.159 goes to hell. 1010 00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:05.800 The world will become hell. 1011 00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.599 Ah, not far from that. 1012 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:12.320 Now, listen, who would want to take the kid anyway? 1013 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.599 Those who want evil rather than good? 1014 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:21.199 Can you be a little bit more specific? 1015 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:23.119 We do not know what took him. 1016 00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.159 Well, could you tell me why the people took him 1017 00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:27.239 and trying to make him eat blood? 1018 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.519 Nothing in this world will hurt him, but if you 1019 00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:36.800 were to pollute himself with anything impure, he would become vulnerable. 1020 00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:43.599 Okay, So if they if he eats the blood, they 1021 00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:48.360 could kill him. Yes, Oh, do you have. 1022 00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:50.280 Any other questions? 1023 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:53.199 As a matter of fact, I do. 1024 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.280 What are you doing this weekend? Because your silhouette is 1025 00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:05.199 kicking plays in maraccas too. 1026 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:09.320 This is the Chosen One? 1027 00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:14.000 Yes, if people certainly do put on a good show. 1028 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:14.920 Where'd you find her at? 1029 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.960 She's the librarian at the sea, the repository, a percussine. 1030 00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:21.000 She was blown to help us, she said, three hundred 1031 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:21.480 days old. 1032 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:26.199 How she managed that one one of her ancestors strapped. 1033 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:26.440 By a dragon? 1034 00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:31.079 Does that happen a lot with you? 1035 00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:39.320 For so three hundred year dragon? You know, three hundred 1036 00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:42.760 year old dragon? Rapes aside? You know, we we got 1037 00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:45.000 a good good sight picture there on what's going on 1038 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.559 with this narrative here with the Golden Child and the 1039 00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:48.920 Chosen One? 1040 00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:50.360 And how how old? 1041 00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:51.559 Even the number three? Though? 1042 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.079 JJ, Like what's that with the number of threes? 1043 00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:56.920 Yeah, Like when they're saying like three hundred, she's three 1044 00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:00.360 hundred years old? Like you could say that the either 1045 00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.960 talking about Bena or you could also say that time 1046 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:04.199 as always divided by three? 1047 00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:04.920 See? 1048 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.400 Is that a good lifespan for a half dragon half human? 1049 00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:10.400 What's the average lifespan there? 1050 00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.199 I mean, could be like a thousand years, could be. 1051 00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:16.960 I was gonna say, I feel like I feel like 1052 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:17.360 they came in. 1053 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.039 They feel like they came in short with the three hundreds, 1054 00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:20.440 so I feel like that might mean something right with 1055 00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.599 the you know, they may have intentionally put it as 1056 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:23.960 three hundred for some reason. 1057 00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:26.960 Right, I had thought, So you're and your dragon should 1058 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:29.039 be much older in my opinion, so I'm on an 1059 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:29.719 older dragon. 1060 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:33.800 Even with her, I look at her aspect as almost 1061 00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:36.400 being like me, Jim or Pace, you see this too, 1062 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:39.360 be Nah, you never really get to see her except 1063 00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:41.519 for that one point. And again it's because she's more 1064 00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:44.159 of like a voice in your mind or an idea. 1065 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:47.639 She's not really an actual image. So you do see her, 1066 00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:51.639 and then in my opinion, a lot of either sometimes 1067 00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:56.880 some dragon or maybe a reptile like symbolism. I even 1068 00:57:56.920 --> 00:58:00.760 think some of the aliens from the Alien movie is 1069 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:05.840 like part of the brain, possibly the hippo campus. So 1070 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:08.800 you know, then then again that would be of the mind. 1071 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:11.920 You know, you're really just to get thoughts. You're not 1072 00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:16.960 like an actual thing. Yet again, you're she's behind something, 1073 00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:19.480 You're just hearing something. Just what does that call? You 1074 00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:22.440 don't have nothing to attach that to except for that 1075 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:24.679 silhouette that he found that he thought was banging or whatever. 1076 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:29.199 He say, Right, and she plays the maracas. 1077 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:30.840 Literal, is he gonna stub lay around naked all day 1078 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:33.039 watching soap opera smoking cigarettes associates? 1079 00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.760 Yeah, he gets upset. 1080 00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:39.639 Then he gets all about hurt, right, because he doesn't 1081 00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:42.239 want to be the chosen one, right, he goes to 1082 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.000 take it out on the dragon lady amongst other folks. 1083 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:50.400 But character, right, this is just the picture of her 1084 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:53.519 upper Torso, yeah, we never. 1085 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:56.159 Get to we never get to see the dragon tail. 1086 00:58:56.960 --> 00:59:02.280 Well they show it, right, but it's like up because 1087 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:04.559 he knocks down the thing at one point, right. 1088 00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:07.679 Yes, right, did we get to see the hotel? 1089 00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:12.119 It's pretty good, right yeap? 1090 00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:14.079 Yeah, yeah, there we go. 1091 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.639 The best image I can get. It's kind of grainy, 1092 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:17.079 but mm hmmm. 1093 00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:21.119 So she reveals like who she is, Like that was 1094 00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:22.679 really good, Nick, I appreciate that. 1095 00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.039 So what's the dragon mean for for Eastern stuff? 1096 00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:26.239 There? 1097 00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:29.920 Jin, Well, it goes with what Nick was saying about 1098 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:34.480 being on like how it's like it brings you good seductive, 1099 00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:37.159 so it like brings you closer and then it reveals 1100 00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:40.280 what it really is behind the veil. That's how you 1101 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:44.199 could maybe describe it. And so she she's like a 1102 00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:48.599 she would say that she's the wife of Rahu, who 1103 00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:51.760 is the dragon of the eclipse. So there's a common 1104 00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:56.519 misconception on astrology twitter that somehow that worshiping deities of 1105 00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:01.719 Saturn are related to Saturn, like Collie, remove Rahu from 1106 01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.679 a birth chart. That's actually not true. I don't even 1107 01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.679 know who came up with that. It actually densifies his 1108 01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:11.239 presence and a chart that's like a very basic contract knowledge. 1109 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:14.360 So I just want to point that out. Is that 1110 01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:18.000 where he's where he sort of So what I'm trying 1111 01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:20.639 to say is that at Saturn, like if he has 1112 01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:25.679 a Saturnian sort of vibration, he would actually appear it 1113 01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:29.039 would appear a lot more snakelike. It would be very serpentine. 1114 01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:32.320 But what you're saying, more sneak stuff than dragon stuff. 1115 01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.880 Kind of, Yes, that's exactly that. That's a really good 1116 01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:36.960 way to put it, JJ is that you would see 1117 01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:39.920 more of a serpent and then once you move away 1118 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.719 from Benah you would maybe it would make more sense 1119 01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:45.719 as more of a cosmic or mythical being. 1120 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:48.519 Yeah, because he's got a rattler on the back end 1121 01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:49.000 of this thing. 1122 01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:53.280 I was gonna say that mm hmm. What I'm talking 1123 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:57.440 about that shaker deal on the back. But you know what, 1124 01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:03.800 I think that they you colors and weird stuff like 1125 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:07.559 that this entire movie. And I I'm not I'm not 1126 01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:11.159 good enough with occultism to tell you what it means. 1127 01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:17.800 But it's always like yellow Dragon, biker gang, and then 1128 01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:22.840 you know, yeah, and then it's like, I feel like 1129 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:27.280 they mispronounced things on purpose, and I don't know why 1130 01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:32.440 that might be significant. Like the main bad guy, Sarto Numpspah, 1131 01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:39.000 he can't say, he can't say he's like miss d 1132 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:47.119 Yarral that aady, but he he also can't you know. 1133 01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.679 It says like he's supposed to find the cross dagger 1134 01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.000 of a jaunty and he goes the cross dagger of 1135 01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:57.679 a yant Like he can't say, he can't say. 1136 01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:00.119 You are correct about. 1137 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.159 Yeah, And so I thought that was agree. 1138 01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:07.400 He's pretty he's pretty uh, you know, as far as 1139 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:09.199 villains go, he's he's a pretty good villain. 1140 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:12.800 Yeah, he's a ginger. Of course, they make the ginger 1141 01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:15.679 the bad guy every single freaking time. 1142 01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:18.280 Gingers have no sult so I mean it makes sense 1143 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:18.880 he would. 1144 01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:23.360 Play well, you know, JJ I take that personally, but 1145 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:26.039 I'm half ginger, Julia, I understand what you're saying. 1146 01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:28.599 I'm just saying, like, you know, it's a perfect role 1147 01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:30.000 for him, right, He's a ginger. 1148 01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:30.800 Right, right. 1149 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:35.559 Yeah, But so I think to back up a little bit, 1150 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:39.719 like Sure Chandler, he's like on this talk show and 1151 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:42.199 he says he's looking for this sixteen year old girl. 1152 01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:46.719 And that's another thing moment. Okay, I was gonna say, like, 1153 01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:49.960 that's at the beginning of the movie, but the rest 1154 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.960 of it, like the blood sacrificing and all that stuff, 1155 01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:56.840 won't make sense until we mentioned the part where he's like, 1156 01:02:56.920 --> 01:02:59.599 that's how he gets introduced to the stories. He goes 1157 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:03.159 on this talk show and he says he's looking for 1158 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.119 Eryl Moseley or whatever her last name is. 1159 01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:07.679 Yes, ma'am. 1160 01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:11.480 Yeah, And if I, if I may, I thank you 1161 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:12.159 for kicking this off. 1162 01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:13.719 I got that clip right here, if we can, we 1163 01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:15.039 can watch that here for the folks. 1164 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:16.400 Yeah, it's so hilarious. 1165 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:19.400 Pack some of this because this is the cross section, right, 1166 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.880 So they came from Tibet to Los Angeles and they 1167 01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:25.440 were just talking about not eating not eating blood. This 1168 01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:28.360 is the cross section of the boot Tibetan Buddhism. And 1169 01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.920 the Satanism Here in America cross section, here in Los Angeles. 1170 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:38.599 Here with this clip. Now, let's let's talk. 1171 01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:40.679 About tortoises, Judy, what have we got here? This is great? 1172 01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:42.679 Oh this is Teddy and he's eighty years old. 1173 01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.199 We're eighty. He's one man. 1174 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:46.400 Teddy can kissed my ass. 1175 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:46.599 Listen. 1176 01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:48.400 I'm trying to find this girl. Okay. 1177 01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:50.559 Her name is Cheryl mos That she was last seen 1178 01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:52.840 on Violin down in North Fide with you out in 1179 01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:55.320 a sweater and a skirt. I'd appreciate if you're contacted 1180 01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:57.480 me at four sixteen eight point nine two, if you 1181 01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.039 had any bank come shut up, man, If you have 1182 01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:01.000 any information at le to the finding of this girl, 1183 01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:02.639 I'd appreciate your contact with me. 1184 01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:02.960 Yo. 1185 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.239 Hey, if you don't put the camera out, bust your 1186 01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:08.440 ass man, leave the camera on show Mosley Chandler Joe 1187 01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:09.239 twenty five hours. 1188 01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:11.400 Then say eight point nine two. Now you can talk 1189 01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:12.039 about whatever. 1190 01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:14.559 You want to talk about with datoy Si and whenever excuse. 1191 01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:18.639 So that's that's al Chandler. Jerald gets roped in here 1192 01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:22.159 as the chosen one because homegirl. There martial arts expert 1193 01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:23.679 and mysterious wizard lady. 1194 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:25.239 She's a finds them. 1195 01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:26.159 She's a zacchini. 1196 01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:28.760 What is this? Is it a zucchini? 1197 01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:33.320 She's a jicchini. She's like a yoga practitioner. And she's 1198 01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:38.480 obviously like gained some cities, like some accomplishments. 1199 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:40.719 She's got skill sets, got some skills. 1200 01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:44.840 Yeah, she's a real badass. And you know when I 1201 01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:46.719 don't know if it's time for me to say it 1202 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:51.440 just yet, but in classic eighties style, one of the 1203 01:04:51.480 --> 01:04:54.760 first scenes where she's like going off with her badass ory, 1204 01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:57.400 of course, she has to kick a fucking pipe down 1205 01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.639 in her tits are all wet and flopping around and stuff, 1206 01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:03.320 and her nips are showing through her shirt, is like 1207 01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:08.800 classic eighties Uh, you know, but she. 1208 01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.480 She's actually was that the Yellow Dragons fight? Was that? 1209 01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:13.320 Was that? Was that the same fight when they give 1210 01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:14.400 the Yellow Dragons? 1211 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:20.880 Yes? But I actually, yeah, had you seen her in 1212 01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:21.719 any other movies? 1213 01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.679 No? I don't think I have sense either, quite honestly. 1214 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:25.920 No. 1215 01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:27.239 And she's so cute. 1216 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:32.639 She's so cute The Golden Boy Girl, the Golden Child 1217 01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:34.960 that they didn't act again either, apparently this was their 1218 01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:35.480 only film. 1219 01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:40.000 Sure, but so I was gonna mention because I said, like, 1220 01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:42.239 I feel like they use colors a lot, like with 1221 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.039 the yellow dragon and this and that. If you really 1222 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:47.360 go back and watch the movie and you count how 1223 01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:51.079 many times they use blue, it just is weird to 1224 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:54.719 me because like even that clip you just showed the 1225 01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:57.320 talk show, the curtain in the background is blue. He's 1226 01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:01.239 wearing a blue shirt, and then at the well there's 1227 01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:03.039 a lot of blue in the middle. But like at 1228 01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:06.679 the end, like two or three of the characters are 1229 01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:09.639 all wearing blue shirts. And so I don't know if 1230 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:12.639 that's significant in some way, but I think the colors 1231 01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:13.679 are a big deal. 1232 01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:18.199 No, I'm truly are sure. Sorry, JJ, go ahead, Jane, 1233 01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:22.360 that was great noticing Julia. Let me just say, even 1234 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:26.280 when he says, bring the camera back over here, like 1235 01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.400 look at me, and he's wearing that black leather jacket, 1236 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:31.480 that really stood out to me. It's very Bana. But 1237 01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:34.559 he's also in the blue. Like Julia said, she's really 1238 01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:38.800 pulling focus towards him, and she's wearing like red. It's 1239 01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:42.440 very geveraatic like Marshall, but she's perceiving him. And as 1240 01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:45.559 Julia said, it's not just him that has the blue shirt, 1241 01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.000 but it's also the background of the talk show, and 1242 01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:50.960 then when it zooms out you can see it and 1243 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:53.719 it's like, so it's like the whole idea is like 1244 01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:57.360 you're standing at Goba, you're looking at you're in the fire, 1245 01:06:57.679 --> 01:06:59.960 but then you're looking at the ocean and you can 1246 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:03.599 see yourself and then you look you can you acknowledge 1247 01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:06.920 what it is, but it doesn't necessarily appear as you right, 1248 01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:09.280 And that's sort of the that's a very magic I'm 1249 01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:11.880 sorry that was very meta, but that is kind of 1250 01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.639 what it's like. It's like there's an interaction with perception 1251 01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:17.880 that happens between the ocean and the water and the fire. 1252 01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:21.239 You can say that. So that's kind of what they represent. 1253 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:24.280 And but they reverse the poles. You see that usually 1254 01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:28.079 you would have a more masculine figure at Mars or 1255 01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:31.280 Govra and a feminine figure has said, but not, you 1256 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:32.480 don't have to, So. 1257 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:34.480 You're playing they're playing gender games, like the Day with 1258 01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:35.519 the Golden Child. 1259 01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:39.360 Is that what we're telling me, Well, it's interesting because 1260 01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:43.760 it's like she's the one in perception. He's just saying, 1261 01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:46.400 you know, bring the camera towards me, let me be 1262 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:52.079 amplify or magnetize this girl's story like outward and but 1263 01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:54.760 she's like, but what she's focused on is him, So 1264 01:07:54.800 --> 01:08:00.400 she's singular in her view, where he's expansive, very much hessetic. 1265 01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:02.320 If you want to think about it, JJ a really 1266 01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:04.960 good way to explain it. I think even with this, 1267 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:08.000 if you want to make it cabalistically, which I think 1268 01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:11.280 Gin's doing a real good job, I would you know, 1269 01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:15.400 include the chess head again, even a projecting or expansive 1270 01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.159 if you took a light bulb, the light that shining 1271 01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:21.000 out of it would be kind of like male energy, 1272 01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:23.479 and the light bulb itself will kind of be the 1273 01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:28.560 feminine energy and the male energy sound sight is coming 1274 01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:30.039 out of it. 1275 01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:34.520 It's a good analogy projective projectives that would be like 1276 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:37.520 a so I I even think when he was saying 1277 01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.680 about him in a sense, if you think about it, 1278 01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:44.880 she sees him then, and I would say he is 1279 01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:50.079 very much chested at that point, very expansive, very powerful, loud, 1280 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:52.319 being seen you know by a lot. 1281 01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:58.000 It's on TV. She sees him, She sees him, and 1282 01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:02.960 then basically she takes him him and brings him wherever 1283 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:10.720 he's got to go. It's very magnetic. Well well playing 1284 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:12.560 the side of the Yeah, well she chose. 1285 01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:14.560 Him, she chose him. 1286 01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:17.920 Yeah, and then she pulls him very very magnetically like 1287 01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:20.239 the left pillar. She now fucking pulls him all the 1288 01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:21.119 way to her side. 1289 01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:27.760 So what we're supposed to Julia, go ahead, I just 1290 01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:30.159 want to say what next? Thing is really profound because 1291 01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:32.760 that is even the idea is that Tikini will lead 1292 01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:36.119 you through experiences you as the witness or the perceiver, 1293 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:40.560 rather than it's not just all your will. It's like 1294 01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:43.399 there's part of it that is a little bit other power, 1295 01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.079 is what we would call it. So it's like generative 1296 01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:50.439 outside of you. Maybe it is you, but maybe it isn't. 1297 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:52.279 It's kind of like an inter social moment. 1298 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:55.279 So I don't know. This is how it happens. 1299 01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:57.239 Right, she signs him up for all these things, right 1300 01:09:57.279 --> 01:09:58.479 because she sees him on the TV. 1301 01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:02.800 Right, Yeah, she has selected him as a partner as 1302 01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:04.680 the chosen one, right exactly. 1303 01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:09.239 And sorry I was interrupting you go ahead. I just 1304 01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:10.680 want to don't want to forget. 1305 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:12.560 No, no, no, please please, I'm done. 1306 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:15.239 When I was saying before in the video, I do 1307 01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:18.359 think that they both play the princess and the and 1308 01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:21.359 the prince the hod and that suck, but they both 1309 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:22.920 are going to play the king and the queen at 1310 01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:25.119 one point. And I do think at Chessa, when she's 1311 01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:29.760 seeing him, she's seeing the king in that that that 1312 01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:34.000 hoad is going to become going up the tree. She 1313 01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:36.640 already sees it in him, so that's why she picks him. 1314 01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:39.359 That sounds a little a little much, but I do 1315 01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:41.159 think that's the kind of part of it that makes 1316 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:41.760 total sound. 1317 01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:45.680 His old noomsy is he pronounced the stuff and Hebrew 1318 01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:46.680 stuff kabala wise. 1319 01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:50.359 I was wondering about that. But the whole reason why 1320 01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:51.560 he doesn't say the jay. 1321 01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:57.840 Well, there's there's no jay in Hebrew, so you wouldn't 1322 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:00.880 that's that's even a a thing in magic. 1323 01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:03.319 Like that's why it's mister pronouncing Yero, right, he's got 1324 01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:04.680 instead of Gerald. 1325 01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:08.399 Well you could say it's like dilectification of the jay almost, 1326 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:11.520 like you could say it's like how they say Ihovah 1327 01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:15.800 instead of Jehovah. So like you can even hear that 1328 01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.319 there's a distinction obviously, and like maybe what God you're 1329 01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:21.840 referring to. I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that's 1330 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:26.560 how people think of it. Or like what like Covenant 1331 01:11:26.600 --> 01:11:29.479 you hold like that's obviously very mythriic, but I think, yeah, 1332 01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.319 I think that's kind of in line with the general 1333 01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:36.039 magical sort of orders and how they view the world. 1334 01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:43.399 Pointed out just really quick, they pointed out because the 1335 01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:47.000 two things. And this is why it's important, because when 1336 01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:53.039 you when you watch this movie, and I said, oh, 1337 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:56.600 look there he's wearing a blue shirt and he's got 1338 01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:01.520 the blue curtain behind him, and you know she's wearing 1339 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:03.560 the red or whatever, and Jin did a great job 1340 01:12:03.600 --> 01:12:07.600 explaining that. But if you listen to like the dialogue 1341 01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:11.039 in these scenes, it's on purpose. They because the talk 1342 01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:14.119 show hosts comments on what he's wearing, and he's like, oh, 1343 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:17.000 look at your outfit. I love your hats, and it's like, okay, 1344 01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:22.439 attention to what he's wearing. And then in another scene, 1345 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:29.239 Chandler Jerrol calls Sarto out. Yeah, He's like, why do 1346 01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:32.760 you pose mispronounce my name when you know it's jeral 1347 01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:37.039 And he said, I know. So he's like acknowledging that 1348 01:12:37.319 --> 01:12:41.720 I'm mispronouncing it on purpose. So that's why I think, like, yeah, 1349 01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:45.479 could we be looking into it too far or whatever? Maybe, 1350 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.199 But I think the reason they put those little lines 1351 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.000 in the movie is because it is intentional. It's like 1352 01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:55.119 the wardrobe choices, the way that he mispronounces the name, 1353 01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:58.600 like they even included it into the dialogue. It's like, 1354 01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:01.279 why do you insist on miss pronouncing my name? You 1355 01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:05.439 know it's Jerald And he's like, yeah, I know, boy, Julia. 1356 01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:07.680 That's a very solid point. They have some great dialogue 1357 01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:08.319 between old. 1358 01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:11.880 Nupsy and uh chandeler Gerald there or mister Gerrol that is, 1359 01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:14.279 you know, there's some back, you know some as far 1360 01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:16.600 as the antagonist protagonist, they're not really doing a lot 1361 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:18.239 of duke in and out, but they are doing a lot. 1362 01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:20.520 I mean, there's a little bit of that. But they 1363 01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:22.119 do a lot of back and forth, just you know, 1364 01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:24.600 gelling at each other. So they got some classic dialogue. 1365 01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:27.439 Well I do that sometimes, like I feel i've I've 1366 01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:30.560 I've discussed it on lives before that it's a it's 1367 01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:34.760 an old Discordian like a chaos magician trick. You mispronounce 1368 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.960 things or you create. Something I'm more fond of is 1369 01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:41.119 you create compound words that are totally brand new for 1370 01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:44.399 your use. So an example of. 1371 01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:45.840 That Westoid is that what you did to me with 1372 01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:46.760 western Well, I. 1373 01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:49.600 Didn't up with that. That's something from the zoomer Twitter. 1374 01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:52.359 I'm about ten years too old to use technically, but 1375 01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:58.640 I'll give you an example like clipolithic, Like people think 1376 01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:01.279 that I just mispronounced it, but actually makes sense because 1377 01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:04.520 you're talking about like a stone aggregate. So that's like 1378 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:07.199 a compound word that you can just make, but it 1379 01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:09.039 has to there has to be a logic, and I 1380 01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.880 go hearing, so you can do that instead of saying 1381 01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:14.640 like kleipa, which I don't have a prom saying. But 1382 01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:17.479 sometimes there's an idea that the things that you say 1383 01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:22.079 are the things you invoke, so depending on the context 1384 01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:23.760 you're using at So. 1385 01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:28.279 Well, that's interesting. I appreciate that. Jen is that also Kenu? 1386 01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:31.199 Is that kenu that is considered true Keno? 1387 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:33.560 I would assume it would be. I'm getting I'm catching on. 1388 01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:34.159 I'm catching on. 1389 01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:37.000 So we we were talking yellow dragon stuff and the 1390 01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:40.800 crossover with intersection with Satan Satanic cold stuff in around 1391 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:41.640 Los Angeles. 1392 01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:43.319 It's spoiler alert. 1393 01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:46.000 We find out Tommy Tong, who works you know, is 1394 01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:48.720 running this out law blacker gang who kidnapped this young 1395 01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:52.159 girl that the channel Chaneral Yarrel is looking for well 1396 01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:54.960 he works for old Numcy. So we're about to find 1397 01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:55.840 that out here right now. 1398 01:14:59.319 --> 01:15:04.399 Oh Cheryl, Yeah, we sold. 1399 01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:10.199 Her, I mean you sold you sold a cool. 1400 01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:15.079 To Tommy tom He got that restaurant down on Broadway, 1401 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:20.720 and we traded her case of cigarettes and a quarter 1402 01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:21.920 of pork fried rice. 1403 01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:23.920 Why would somebody want to buy somebody? 1404 01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:26.560 He needed a girl? 1405 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:31.640 What worked the steel out with the devil said he 1406 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:32.600 needed her blood? 1407 01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:42.920 So much to say? I have so much to say. 1408 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:48.600 Please, I did forget that the parent clip which I'll play. 1409 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.520 He wants me to discuss this one with the you know, 1410 01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:52.479 the parrot guy. That is how they got there. Was 1411 01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:56.720 Victor Wong, the revived parent from the Golden Child, is 1412 01:15:56.720 --> 01:15:58.079 the one who led them to that house. 1413 01:15:58.800 --> 01:15:59.359 Mm hmmm. 1414 01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:03.680 So they do find Cheryl a little bit before this scene, 1415 01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:05.880 and that's where he finds the bucket of oatmeal with 1416 01:16:05.920 --> 01:16:10.720 the blood in it. Yeah, and so again I say 1417 01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:16.319 this because I think it's important they chose an actress 1418 01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:18.680 to play Cheryl, even though she's in it for five 1419 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:21.840 seconds and she's just a dead body. It's a ginger girl, 1420 01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:26.359 and she's the innocent one. She's the sacrifice, but also 1421 01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:29.399 the devil is the ginger guy, and it's like the 1422 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:34.159 masculine and the feminine, but they're both red haired ginger people. 1423 01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:37.840 And like one's the innocent one, one's the devil. He 1424 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:41.560 kills her, sacrifices or uses her blood in this ritual 1425 01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:45.039 to kill this kid, and you know, it's like an 1426 01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:48.560 innocent ginger girl, and then the devil is a ginger guy. 1427 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:53.920 I think they do that stuff on purpose. And the 1428 01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:55.920 only other thing I have to say about this scene 1429 01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:59.880 is that at the very beginning when they break into 1430 01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:03.199 the house, they're playing a really specific song. I don't 1431 01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:08.000 know if you caught it. It's by Rat, you know 1432 01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:10.560 that body to I. 1433 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:12.279 Did not catch it, but please tell us. 1434 01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:16.840 Okay, So the album that that song is on. It 1435 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:21.439 was Rat's debut album, and it featured themes of witchcraft, 1436 01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:25.880 nuclear war, and global destruction. And that is the song 1437 01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:30.640 that's playing as that scene opens up. So, as I say, 1438 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:33.439 if you look in the background, everything is on purpose. 1439 01:17:33.520 --> 01:17:35.800 Even a dead girl that's laying in the movie for 1440 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:38.479 five minutes that happens to be a ginger girl with 1441 01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:42.279 this yellow dragon tattoo. And then you know, the devil's 1442 01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:45.279 a red haired guy. I think all the little tiny 1443 01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:48.000 details actually matter in the long run. 1444 01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:51.520 I agree. 1445 01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:54.279 I agree as well, Julia, and I will say that 1446 01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:59.520 sometimes in contra the deity and his concert are depicted 1447 01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.000 as red hair, but if you kind of understand, you 1448 01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:04.199 realize it doesn't have to be red hair, because it 1449 01:18:04.199 --> 01:18:07.680 can just be the sort of appearance of red from 1450 01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:10.960 wisdom fire. So the wisdom fire would make the hair 1451 01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:13.560 pere red, so it could be blonde or even block. 1452 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:16.279 And sometimes it is also depicted us up. But I 1453 01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:18.000 think that was also a really good point. 1454 01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:23.279 Somebody got the song right. Yeah, I couldn't remember the 1455 01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:27.000 title of it, but I remembered the uh lyrics. But yes, 1456 01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:30.159 that's that's the song too. That's playing in the background. 1457 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:33.920 And I only and what struck me the first time 1458 01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:37.000 I watched it, before I even decided I wanted to 1459 01:18:37.039 --> 01:18:40.039 cover it on a Conspiracy episode is I hate that song. 1460 01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:43.039 And every time that scene plays, I'm like, somebody shoot 1461 01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:47.000 me in the face. I hate the rat shit. 1462 01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:51.159 You're not my scene for sure. So before we get 1463 01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:52.039 into the oatmeal. 1464 01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:54.039 Blood stuff, tell or before we talk about the oatmeal 1465 01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:56.119 and the blood stuff, I got a video clip to 1466 01:18:56.159 --> 01:18:57.760 tie that into the Golden Child here in a minute. 1467 01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:00.239 But let's what are your all thoughts? What's all that about? 1468 01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:02.239 What's feeding all this blood stuff? About neatmeal? 1469 01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:06.159 Well, before we do a blood and oatmeal, which I 1470 01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:08.600 will obviously discuss a little is that. 1471 01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:10.159 And you've got to watch out. Victor Wong has got 1472 01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:11.800 his wand out, buddy. What do you want to talk 1473 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:13.840 about before blood and oaemeal? What are we talking here? 1474 01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:15.279 Well, Victor Wong? Of course. 1475 01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:18.680 So the red that's what I brought this picture of. 1476 01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:21.039 It's perfect, it's perfect. JJ. 1477 01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:23.479 Did the orange of the Rednick was talking about earlier? 1478 01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:26.680 Yes, So orange is a really important color in Buddhism. 1479 01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:29.000 You could almost say it's the most important color. If 1480 01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:30.720 you were to compare it to the tree, you would 1481 01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:34.359 definitely say that Buddhism really likes hod as a starting 1482 01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:38.800 position for an upasaka or someone who practices Buddhism. So 1483 01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:42.479 I set at the beginning that the monks depicted were 1484 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:46.560 of the Gelakhpa, so the Gellic school. He is actually 1485 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:50.479 a Nagapa, so he is a sorcerer. He belongs to 1486 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:54.399 the ning Musk. So the it's the old school or 1487 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:57.800 the ancient school, so they're allowed sort of more. They 1488 01:19:57.920 --> 01:20:01.960 give themselves a little more conceptual leeway with ideas. And 1489 01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:05.159 he can also be a householder, so he's not restricted 1490 01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:09.880 by monastic vows. That's why later on spoiler alert, he 1491 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:13.880 gets called like a paternal name. So, but that's even 1492 01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:16.079 what his red hat means. It's kind of like he 1493 01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:18.960 wears the orange robe. Sometimes he would be a black 1494 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:21.279 coat with an orange robe. He would obviously be in 1495 01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:26.079 turquoise jewelry Lapis Lazuli jewelry, and then he would wear 1496 01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:28.520 the red hat, and that would indicate that he is 1497 01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:32.319 also a Buddhist. He's not just a sorcerer. So there's 1498 01:20:32.359 --> 01:20:34.079 just an idea there. 1499 01:20:37.159 --> 01:20:39.640 So sorry, let me flipped it on him. 1500 01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:41.680 Where there they're trying to feed the Golden child some 1501 01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:42.880 of his blood outmeal. 1502 01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:46.039 Here it's got some of those schedules we were. 1503 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:48.760 Talking about earlier Jan with the there's probably a lot 1504 01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:50.399 of stuff you're all going to see that I don't. 1505 01:20:50.479 --> 01:22:38.840 I don't have the foggiest idea about so stand by police. 1506 01:21:42.439 --> 01:22:16.039 As there's name see you will eat. 1507 01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:23.279 So I think it's really interesting JJ that the Sigils 1508 01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:26.039 like I don't read to that and I've never I cannot, 1509 01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:26.960 but I can, right. 1510 01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:28.720 Well, I one second, j hold on, one second, hold 1511 01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:32.760 up one second. I always want to see him do 1512 01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:45.560 his telepathic powers here, or I guess technically she the 1513 01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:47.920 Golden Child said fuck your meal? 1514 01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:52.239 What were you saying there, Jim? 1515 01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:55.760 I apologize, JJ, and my I mean you're good for 1516 01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:59.520 a second. Okay, so I apologize to that, but I 1517 01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:01.439 can't even remember, but I'll just I'll start with the 1518 01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:04.319 oatmeal in blood because that's obviously, you know what, people 1519 01:23:04.359 --> 01:23:05.960 will give the people what they want. 1520 01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:08.439 So obviously that's a big part of the story here, right, 1521 01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:09.520 that's right, a week. 1522 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:11.560 They got a week in the Golden style to kill it. 1523 01:23:12.319 --> 01:23:15.000 So it is. It is a tonric idea, just like 1524 01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:18.039 it is in Tellima. Like cakes of light that obviously 1525 01:23:18.039 --> 01:23:21.960 comes from Tibetan Buddhism, it's obviously like our trauma cakes. Interestingly, 1526 01:23:22.159 --> 01:23:24.840 that they use oatmeal, that's obviously a nod to I 1527 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:26.720 don't know how they make cakes of light in the 1528 01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:29.039 in the Oto or any of the other orders, but 1529 01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:33.159 in Tibetan Buddhism it's made with barley powder, so it's 1530 01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:37.199 barley powder starfire, so it's not the blood of a virgin, 1531 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:40.760 just to be very clear, And it's not even starfire 1532 01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:43.199 as you would understand it. It's made it's like a 1533 01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:48.359 homeopathic like eight times version made into tiny little nectar pills. 1534 01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:52.720 So and yes, it can also be other substances. And 1535 01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:57.359 so the transgressive substances change the offering from like a 1536 01:23:57.439 --> 01:24:01.359 peaceful offering into a wrathful offering. But in to n Buddhism, 1537 01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:06.840 nothing is ever sacrifice except yourself, like not yourself, but 1538 01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:09.479 kind of like who you think you are. That's the 1539 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:13.279 only that's just their symbolic offerings to represent sort of 1540 01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:19.119 mental or uh, sort of like obstacles of consciousness. So 1541 01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:22.840 you offer those obstacles of consciousness, but you put it 1542 01:24:22.920 --> 01:24:26.079 in a in a vessel. That is the transgressive or 1543 01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:28.960 wrathful offering. But the in and of itself is just 1544 01:24:29.000 --> 01:24:32.000 a container. It's not like the real thing. You're just 1545 01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:36.479 using that as a vehicle to remove the obstacle. But 1546 01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:40.279 the obstacle always comes from yourself, it's not from external source. 1547 01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:47.159 Interesting, So what are your thoughts, Nick on all this 1548 01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:50.600 blood oatmeal weakening of this child. 1549 01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:53.800 The golden child to immortal mortal situations? 1550 01:24:54.840 --> 01:25:00.239 Uh? Oh, look at a couple of different different ways here. U. Well, 1551 01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:03.039 even when like Chin was going there with it too, 1552 01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:04.880 I guess, like you know, kick of Lights that does 1553 01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:06.640 have blood in it stuff, he was talking at his 1554 01:25:06.680 --> 01:25:10.880 blood in it wheat. I think it's just used in 1555 01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:16.560 general or something like that. A grain is used symbolically. 1556 01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:19.800 I think a lot, you know, just because it's cooked oatmeal, 1557 01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:21.720 you know, think about it in the real sense, you know, 1558 01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:24.880 you see stuff like that a lot. Uh. And then 1559 01:25:25.159 --> 01:25:33.439 even with health uh huh did heart healthy? It's probably blood. 1560 01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:37.720 I another interesting thing with that too. Even in in 1561 01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:42.680 Hebrew it matches golden and fool. There was something else. 1562 01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:44.479 I was gonna bring it up before, but uh, I 1563 01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:46.680 didn't want to get too much on the numbers. So 1564 01:25:46.720 --> 01:25:48.840 like I even thought that, like, how that seems interesting, 1565 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:51.680 how that like even matches like Eddie Murphy's character. But 1566 01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:55.239 then tholso the kid itself again, and and then even 1567 01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:59.680 in right yeah, and then even uh blood and then 1568 01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:03.079 in English matches this might be a stretch matches Luna, 1569 01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:05.720 but that chick's name also matches moon. 1570 01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:12.239 I am kind of the reverse of the symbolism of 1571 01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:13.880 the sun too, right, is that right? Right? 1572 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:17.199 And it matches full all the way around, and matches 1573 01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:23.119 full uh in Hebrew and English and simple all the 1574 01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:23.760 way around. 1575 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:28.079 I've read some theories about the Golden Child online, and 1576 01:26:28.279 --> 01:26:32.279 also every every time before I do an episode like this, 1577 01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:34.600 I like to check Reddit and see what people have 1578 01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:38.359 said about it, and they did. To Nick's point, they 1579 01:26:38.479 --> 01:26:41.960 always referenced that girl I think her name is key 1580 01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:46.199 Key Nung or something like that. In the movie, they 1581 01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:50.319 reference her as as supposed to be a moon deity, 1582 01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:53.439 and I read that several times in a lot of 1583 01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:55.960 the Reddit chats, that she was supposed to be like 1584 01:26:56.039 --> 01:26:59.399 a moon deity. So I just wanted to throw that 1585 01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:03.000 in there, that that's not my name. Yeah, that was 1586 01:27:03.159 --> 01:27:06.840 That wasn't my conclusions, but I did see that several 1587 01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:09.239 times on Reddit, people talking about this movie and what 1588 01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:11.960 it could mean and stuff like that. That got brought 1589 01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:19.439 a lot. Yeah, I couldn't find anything on that specifically, 1590 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:22.800 but the blood and the oatmeal, I think it could 1591 01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:26.359 be another thing obviously with Jin and Nick are saying, 1592 01:27:27.079 --> 01:27:29.960 and just the colors, the white and the red, I 1593 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:35.800 think could be significant because out of all things to choose, oatmeal, 1594 01:27:36.039 --> 01:27:38.520 I feel like that's a little specific because you could 1595 01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:40.640 put blood. I feel like if I was going to 1596 01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:43.720 try to feed somebody something with blood in it, more 1597 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:47.079 creative about it, like vegetable soup, then you. 1598 01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:49.399 Couldn't got You gotta sneak it in there. You gotta 1599 01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:51.760 find a better so to transport that blood. 1600 01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:53.840 That's like, why why oat meal? 1601 01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:54.279 You know? 1602 01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:58.399 Yeh seems that importance, right, the grain or the oats. 1603 01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:00.319 There's something's important. 1604 01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:04.359 Yeah, And like when he first digs the spoon into 1605 01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:07.079 it and there's that scene where it's just oatmeal on 1606 01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:09.680 the top and then boom, blood comes squirting out of it. 1607 01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:12.920 And it's like very cinematic how they did, like the 1608 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:16.560 white oatmeal with the red blood squirting out so and 1609 01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:19.079 then he even like takes a polaroid stature of it. 1610 01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:24.079 So I think, you know, the colors could be significant 1611 01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:28.479 also if you want to get real surface level, like 1612 01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:31.079 with the red hair and the white skin, the oatmeal 1613 01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:34.960 and the blood. It's like literally all the colors in 1614 01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:36.479 this movie mean something. 1615 01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:38.520 I mean, I like it. 1616 01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:40.119 You got a lot of that red stuff going on 1617 01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:43.039 in just the movie poster right, the official imagery for the. 1618 01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:47.479 Film, right, I mean some deep reds going on, deep reds. 1619 01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:50.800 Well, I can offer a little something is that that 1620 01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:54.520 was great because the white, red, and blue are the 1621 01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:57.199 most significant colors. Like I said, orange is a really 1622 01:28:57.199 --> 01:28:59.840 important color. Yes, green is a really important color. Yes, 1623 01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:05.199 but the real primordial colors are white, red, and blue 1624 01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:08.560 in that order. So obviously the pepsi can has like 1625 01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:12.159 multiple layers of significance just through that. It's also you 1626 01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:16.239 could say, like a sort of an agent of synthesis 1627 01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:20.119 away because it it's like bringing it's obviously a tin 1628 01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:24.119 can kind of thing or aluminum, so maybe even has mercurialness. 1629 01:29:24.279 --> 01:29:27.720 But then it's white, so it's kind of heather. But 1630 01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:30.600 you need other things to get there. So you have 1631 01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:33.359 the hesset and the Gevra, the water and the fire 1632 01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:36.359 coming together, and then the little boat boy at Hoe, 1633 01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:40.279 that little golden prince, he's making it alive with his mind. 1634 01:29:40.399 --> 01:29:45.479 So yeah, there's something very magic about that. And I 1635 01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:48.000 think that the other I'd have forgot my other point, 1636 01:29:48.039 --> 01:29:50.000 but I you know, that was a great point, Julia 1637 01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:53.560 and I agree. Also, you can you can make turma 1638 01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:57.520 turmas like wrathful offerings. You can make them very gory 1639 01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:00.359 like looking because you just you you just like old 1640 01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:04.000 a cake basically out of barley powder and like little 1641 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:07.600 substance pills, and then you can make them like have 1642 01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:11.119 eyeballs or tongues or like any of their wrathful kind 1643 01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:13.800 of offerings. So, like what Julie is saying, it's like 1644 01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:17.680 a perfect simulcra like a you know, it's not quite real, 1645 01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:21.319 and it's also cinematic, so it's like a crazy offering. 1646 01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:24.279 That spirting blood that they're telling us is real, but 1647 01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:26.880 we also know as an audience is not really real. 1648 01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:29.399 So it is kind of like a perfect contraed offering 1649 01:30:29.439 --> 01:30:30.920 in a way because it's kind of like a lie 1650 01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:32.079 of truth at the same time. 1651 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:36.680 Yeah, and I think the three colors I noticed the 1652 01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:40.920 most in this movie were red, white, and blue, and 1653 01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:48.279 the Golden Child wears a traditional like little Buddhist looking 1654 01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:52.079 robe throughout the entire movie, except for the very last 1655 01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:56.159 scene of the movie where they put a red, white 1656 01:30:56.199 --> 01:31:00.880 and blue shirt on him and then Eddie Murphy gives 1657 01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:06.319 him a hat that's blue and white, and so yeah, 1658 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:09.199 I think that they I mean, the whole movie, he's 1659 01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:13.640 like got the traditional you know, garbon and then at 1660 01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:16.439 the very last scene of the movie he's red, white 1661 01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:20.239 and blue stripe shirt with a blue and white hat, 1662 01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:25.039 and so yeah, I think that stands out, like I 1663 01:31:25.039 --> 01:31:27.960 don't even know why they put that on him, honestly. 1664 01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:30.720 Because excellent point, though, excellent point. 1665 01:31:31.479 --> 01:31:40.039 Yeah they're wearing blue again. Yeah, the red, white and 1666 01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:45.119 blue stripes in the blue and white hat, and yeah, 1667 01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:48.159 I think the colors definitely mean something I. 1668 01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:49.880 Don't want to miss. I don't want to miss gender 1669 01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:51.960 this individual, not even in a translay. But that is 1670 01:31:52.119 --> 01:31:53.239 just remind you that is a girl. 1671 01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:54.119 What's new? 1672 01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:55.840 That's so crazy to me. 1673 01:31:57.159 --> 01:31:59.239 Isn't it wild? I was shocked to learn that. 1674 01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.000 I mean, I guess they did that with the little 1675 01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:07.640 girl what's her face from fucking such stranger things. So 1676 01:32:07.680 --> 01:32:10.439 it's not the first time they shaved a girl's head, 1677 01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:12.920 and you know, but they let her still be a 1678 01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:13.560 girl in. 1679 01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:16.560 That, you know what I'm saying, Like where like jen 1680 01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:18.880 was and Nick were discussing earlier, when he's playing in 1681 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:21.840 the gender role games within this occult, you know, philosophies, 1682 01:32:22.399 --> 01:32:24.359 you know, I kind of see the same thing from you, 1683 01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:27.199 like a surface level, like you were saying, Julia, When 1684 01:32:27.239 --> 01:32:28.760 I look at Satanism, I'm like, well, they like to 1685 01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:31.680 play this gender game a lot and Satanism and old noomsy. 1686 01:32:31.720 --> 01:32:33.920 Here they call him the devil, but he's he's a noopsy, 1687 01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:36.319 but he's he's kind of is the devil, right, I 1688 01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:38.279 Mean they don't classify it, but. 1689 01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:43.720 He's a demon for sure because he meditates and then 1690 01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:45.640 he speaks to the devil. 1691 01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:50.880 Not even the top devil. He's like a like a 1692 01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:51.800 lower tier devil. 1693 01:32:52.159 --> 01:32:54.520 Yeah, he's like a like a like a. 1694 01:32:55.960 --> 01:32:56.439 The devil. 1695 01:32:57.560 --> 01:32:59.600 Yeah, he's middle. 1696 01:33:01.239 --> 01:33:03.560 Because he can't even figure out what the fuck to do. 1697 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:06.479 He's got to go back and ask advice. Like I 1698 01:33:06.479 --> 01:33:08.439 thought you were supposed to be a demon with all 1699 01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:10.720 your demony knowledge and ship, and you got to go 1700 01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:13.119 back and refer back to the devil all the time, 1701 01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:15.680 like you're retard. Like what am I supposed to do? 1702 01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:17.319 How do I kill him? 1703 01:33:17.359 --> 01:33:19.479 I don't know, stab him in the fucking face. 1704 01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:22.399 No, that's a that's a great that's a great point 1705 01:33:22.439 --> 01:33:24.520 because if you're some sort of criminal mastermind, you work, 1706 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:27.159 you know, this demon thing. You hire Tommy Tong who 1707 01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:30.239 pays some chowmaine to these bikers, the kidnap a girl. 1708 01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:32.760 What are what are these negotiations and logistics you're going 1709 01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:36.039 through your budd demon you can do better. Look at 1710 01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:37.640 hold on, let me let me just show you who 1711 01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:40.760 Tommy Tong is here, because he much like Victor Wong, 1712 01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:43.479 and they also start in Big Trouble Little China, the 1713 01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:45.760 guy who played Tommy Tong here, But Tommy Tong was 1714 01:33:45.760 --> 01:34:13.399 a liability and old Noomsy wasn't having it. I speaking 1715 01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:14.920 role is more of a dying role, but that was 1716 01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:15.560 Tommy Tongue. 1717 01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:19.600 What is the rat significant for? Because they're listening to 1718 01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:23.279 a rat song and then Noopsy just turned into a rat, 1719 01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:24.159 So what is it? 1720 01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:24.920 Beat me to it? 1721 01:34:25.039 --> 01:34:27.840 You beat me to it, Julia, and I feel like 1722 01:34:28.119 --> 01:34:30.520 Asian cultures have a different significance of rats than we 1723 01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:31.279 do here in America. 1724 01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:33.039 But I'm sure Jenny can add to that. 1725 01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:33.800 Well. 1726 01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:35.800 If you wanted to give it a really Buddhist layer, 1727 01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:38.199 you could say the rat is the vehicle of the 1728 01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:42.039 Lord of hosts or the lord of aggregates, so it 1729 01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:48.000 would maybe give him like a materialistic Klepolithic, maybe even Satanic. 1730 01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:50.840 But of course you don't have to I'm just saying conceptually, 1731 01:34:50.840 --> 01:34:53.319 you don't have to take it like that, right, but 1732 01:34:53.479 --> 01:34:55.319 you could say that it gives it that element. But 1733 01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:59.840 there's also a really interesting element that's universal is that 1734 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:04.920 in almost every culture that I've ever encountered talking about magic, 1735 01:35:05.039 --> 01:35:09.640 they will always discuss sorcerers being able to transform into 1736 01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:14.800 black animals. So like a rat, like a dog, like 1737 01:35:14.840 --> 01:35:20.439 a horse. All, uh, it's cat is actually rare. It's 1738 01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:24.520 actually quite rare as an idea that only women. It's 1739 01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:27.760 more women can turn into cats, or they will say 1740 01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:30.680 cat spirits, especially in a Chinese context, I'll say cat 1741 01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:34.039 spirits can live a very long time, and eventually, if 1742 01:35:34.039 --> 01:35:37.079 they can live long enough, they'll turn into women that 1743 01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:39.560 can like marry men and et cetera. 1744 01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:42.560 So it's a lot of thoughts out in my process 1745 01:35:43.159 --> 01:35:46.399 inspect Jim, But I mean I like it just some 1746 01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:47.000 wild stuff. 1747 01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:47.920 You just threw out their bud. 1748 01:35:48.560 --> 01:35:50.600 I think that happened to me though. I think I 1749 01:35:50.720 --> 01:35:53.000 was born a cat and I slowly you were born 1750 01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:56.720 into Yeah. I mean I've always just identified as a cat. 1751 01:35:56.840 --> 01:36:00.000 Like I'm always like, go fuck yourself. You know, people 1752 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:02.399 will come around and I'm like and then I go 1753 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:07.640 hide somewhere. I'm better as an online presence, Yeah, I'm 1754 01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:11.399 just I'm a hotline presence. Don't come to my house. 1755 01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:14.600 Though, you want to do online vampiring, like to Celest 1756 01:36:14.640 --> 01:36:15.840 the vampire we just had. 1757 01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:19.239 On said I would totally do it as well as 1758 01:36:19.279 --> 01:36:24.680 I don't have to meet a motherfucker, and like, yeah, 1759 01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:27.880 but oh so I was gonna say, I feel like 1760 01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:32.199 there are undertones of like the Christianity story inside this movie, 1761 01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:36.560 because the biker gang that sells the young girl for. 1762 01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:43.680 Pork fried rice or like whatever, that's like the Judas 1763 01:36:44.319 --> 01:36:47.039 couple of egg rolls, you know, and then you have 1764 01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:53.399 you know, Sartos is trying to offer a deal to Jerrold, 1765 01:36:53.520 --> 01:36:56.279 so it's like making a deal with the devil and 1766 01:36:56.479 --> 01:37:03.600 the chos. Yeah, yeah, so I do think there are 1767 01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:08.039 like the like Christian aspects of this, like someone betraying 1768 01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:10.880 you and selling you for pork fried rice and making 1769 01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:13.359 a deal with the devil, and you know, the whole kind. 1770 01:37:13.279 --> 01:37:15.560 Of making a joke of the Satanic panic at the time, right, 1771 01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:17.840 this is kind of the hotest Satanic panic, right. 1772 01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:23.880 Sure, I would say, so, yeah, what's funny because I 1773 01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:24.399 didn't I don't. 1774 01:37:24.399 --> 01:37:25.640 I don't know why I put the clip. I was 1775 01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:26.239 just looking for it. 1776 01:37:27.159 --> 01:37:31.680 But speaking of all this satanic stuff, right, so in 1777 01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:33.079 the Satanic Panic business. 1778 01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:35.800 So Eddie Murphy. 1779 01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:37.159 Did a show I think it was at coffee with 1780 01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:40.479 car Jerry Seinfeld, and he's talking about how he met 1781 01:37:40.479 --> 01:37:42.760 Sammy Davis Junior there around the same time made this 1782 01:37:42.800 --> 01:37:45.760 film sub mid eighties, so and Sammy Day Old Sammy 1783 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:47.760 d was trying to get him to join the Church 1784 01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:49.600 of Satan, join the dark Side? 1785 01:37:49.640 --> 01:37:50.319 Is he is? 1786 01:37:50.359 --> 01:37:50.399 He? 1787 01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:55.359 Old? Eddie was talking, Well, hmmm, I. 1788 01:37:55.279 --> 01:37:57.520 Think it's important to just note really quick that we 1789 01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:02.720 don't have a Satan figure. Say, well, maybe that's not accurate. 1790 01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:06.079 Don't have it equal Satan. I meant to tell you 1791 01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:07.760 that Johnty equal Satan. 1792 01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:14.239 Okay, the dagger, yeah, johnt dagger, Yes, the Satan dagger. Oh, 1793 01:38:14.279 --> 01:38:14.920 that's interesting. 1794 01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:15.279 That's right. 1795 01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:21.199 You remember what they said about it when when Noopsy 1796 01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:24.840 meditates to speak with the devil and he says, the 1797 01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:28.640 jaunty Dagger is not of this world and it came 1798 01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:32.760 from Hell so they could kill the Golden Child, like 1799 01:38:32.840 --> 01:38:34.399 it's literally from hell. 1800 01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:38.159 And to make this. 1801 01:38:38.199 --> 01:38:40.600 Hell right, he had to eat the bloody oatmeal and 1802 01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:43.600 make this hell, which kind of sounds like vampirism. 1803 01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:46.279 Well, he's bringing the carnal ground to the little Boy. 1804 01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:48.039 The online is more of. 1805 01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:51.279 Heaven, you could say. And so there's something really interesting 1806 01:38:51.319 --> 01:38:53.399 even about the dagger since Snick brought it up, is 1807 01:38:53.439 --> 01:38:56.920 that that dagger is actually a magical implement, but it's 1808 01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:01.159 also a deity. That deity name is vaujor Kumara. That's 1809 01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.359 an older version of text, but or older. 1810 01:39:04.600 --> 01:39:05.479 That's not a dagger, Jim. 1811 01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:11.399 This is a dagger, yes, that dagger, So it's a 1812 01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:14.760 three pointed dagger. And it also is called Vajra Kumara, 1813 01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:17.800 just like the Golden Boy. So the dagger can also 1814 01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:19.800 be a deity like it can. 1815 01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:23.399 Also this is also the Golden Child. 1816 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:25.479 Right, but then you be Then the whole point is 1817 01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:28.199 like to proceed, like to not have a distinction between 1818 01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:32.520 like object and perceiver. So you're kind of unified in 1819 01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:34.319 the dagger. And you can even see there's like a 1820 01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:37.920 figure eight sort of thing that's a vadra. So like 1821 01:39:38.079 --> 01:39:41.159 everyone always loves the vadra whenever I bring it up. 1822 01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:43.520 So that's a vajra in the middle. But then it 1823 01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:45.720 comes down to a single point. So at the single 1824 01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:48.159 point should be your like will, but it's your will 1825 01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:51.920 and complete emptiness. So it's what I'm really trying to say, 1826 01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:54.399 is it's just it's a wand you could say or 1827 01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:58.119 a dagger. It can be both things really, but it 1828 01:39:58.119 --> 01:40:00.800 it can also be you, but it it's not you, 1829 01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:03.000 just like when you're holding it, playing with it. 1830 01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:05.239 Like it's a dagger that identifies as a. 1831 01:40:06.399 --> 01:40:09.319 Yes, like you could say, you could say the apotheosis 1832 01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:11.960 of a person is the golden child. I think that's 1833 01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:14.600 a very Christian kabalistic way to kind of look at it, 1834 01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:16.960 or even a theosophical way, like I think that's what 1835 01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:18.880 Nick and I have both been like getting at is 1836 01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:21.279 that it's like someone rising through the tree. But it 1837 01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:32.079 could be like a real person, maybe a magician, Okay. 1838 01:40:28.800 --> 01:40:31.640 Dagger even I don't want to try to get into 1839 01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:34.880 it too much. I explained it a couple of well, 1840 01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:38.760 a couple of years ago I had covered Michael Myers 1841 01:40:39.199 --> 01:40:42.439 Halloween in the Nightmare Elme Street. How I both thought 1842 01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:45.880 that they kind of both represented beasts in the both 1843 01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:50.359 like possibly like Janice. And again they both you know, 1844 01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:54.359 Freddy has the daggers kind of finger daggers and the 1845 01:40:54.399 --> 01:40:57.000 other guy is known for a knife as well. And 1846 01:40:57.119 --> 01:40:59.960 I do you know, even when I was showing there's something, 1847 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:02.840 and I think line two in line seventeen, I think 1848 01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:07.319 both associate with like Janus in a Crawley seven seven 1849 01:41:07.439 --> 01:41:10.399 seven and somewhere like I think a knife for like 1850 01:41:10.439 --> 01:41:15.079 a Crusser. Something along those lines comes up associated with that. 1851 01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:17.399 And that was like another thing I was showing that 1852 01:41:17.439 --> 01:41:19.279 I was trying to explain. And if you think about 1853 01:41:19.319 --> 01:41:21.119 it in a sense, if you look at the dagger now, 1854 01:41:21.119 --> 01:41:24.479 it's already got the two face got right at the bottom. 1855 01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:26.279 That's what I was just gonna say, right, is that 1856 01:41:26.399 --> 01:41:28.439 yanis the two faces you see, they're right. 1857 01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:34.920 So he technically he has five faces, but sometimes I 1858 01:41:35.439 --> 01:41:38.640 h s three or one with a face above it, 1859 01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:40.840 so it'll be like a little he'll kind of like 1860 01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:43.760 a pot. It'll like represent like his higher consciousness the 1861 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:47.119 face above it. And interestingly, to go off, next comment 1862 01:41:47.439 --> 01:41:49.600 is that when you look at him in art, so 1863 01:41:49.880 --> 01:41:53.000 just Buddhist art, although sometimes they make daggers like this, 1864 01:41:53.560 --> 01:41:56.880 he will be depicted in full form and he'll have wings, 1865 01:41:57.119 --> 01:42:00.439 so all all in it will look like very much 1866 01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:03.000 like a cross or a crucifix. Maybe maybe not as 1867 01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:06.520 it looks like it taw anyway, and that is kind 1868 01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:09.720 of the idea and so like Julia was saying, like 1869 01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:13.520 like raising something from Hell, that he is the Adamantine's son. 1870 01:42:14.279 --> 01:42:16.800 So that's another way to understand it. Like he's forged 1871 01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:19.319 in hell fire, but he's a little more powerful than that. 1872 01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:22.760 So you can see there's like a redemptive you could 1873 01:42:22.760 --> 01:42:25.239 call it like a Buddhist arc or a theosophical arc, 1874 01:42:25.319 --> 01:42:28.479 but I think that also parallels like the guy has 1875 01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:30.680 to draw his path, the evil sorcerer has to draw 1876 01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:33.479 his powers from like a worldly spirit. A spirit that 1877 01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:37.720 doesn't is not omnipotent, is not omnipresent, just has a 1878 01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:41.199 goal to become like I don't know, more of this 1879 01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:44.920 earth or whatever. But the Golden Child he sort of 1880 01:42:44.920 --> 01:42:48.119 transcends all that. He's sort of above it. He's not worldly. 1881 01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:50.840 So that's kind of what the dagger also represents. You 1882 01:42:50.840 --> 01:42:52.720 could say, real quick. 1883 01:42:52.560 --> 01:42:55.000 And the chosen one can wield the dagger too, right. 1884 01:42:56.119 --> 01:42:58.159 I don't know, Yeah, yeah, you can. 1885 01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:00.600 The whole right. 1886 01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:03.199 Old Victor Wong's like, well we'll find out if you 1887 01:43:03.239 --> 01:43:05.199 can get that dagger, Budton, Well, if you're up to 1888 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:09.159 the challenge. 1889 01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:09.920 Real quick too. Even when I had covered the movie 1890 01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:14.720 from Hell, I showed symbolism and that about Janice and 1891 01:43:15.199 --> 01:43:18.399 that's you know all about slice some motherfuckers up too. Shit. 1892 01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:22.520 That's a good one to do a breakdown on because 1893 01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:25.800 there's a kind of stuff in there. One of my 1894 01:43:26.279 --> 01:43:31.000 favorite Johnny Depps actually I love that one. So what 1895 01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:34.279 do you guys think about him eating those little twigs 1896 01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:38.119 throughout the whole movie? Do you think that's significant. 1897 01:43:37.479 --> 01:43:38.239 In a way? 1898 01:43:38.600 --> 01:43:40.520 Yes, one thing I was going to bring up to 1899 01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:43.720 with the whole blood stuff. It even goes back to uh, 1900 01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:46.319 some guy in Pedocles from like five hundred PC. He 1901 01:43:46.359 --> 01:43:48.920 was even stating that you if you want to do 1902 01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:52.039 magical stuff, you're gonna have to stop taking him blood. 1903 01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:54.399 You're gonna have to start like kind of eating like 1904 01:43:54.439 --> 01:43:58.760 a vegetarian. And blood blood would be like it would 1905 01:43:58.760 --> 01:44:01.600 just be a bad thing. It would be make you dirty. 1906 01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:03.399 I can't think of the word right now. 1907 01:44:03.479 --> 01:44:06.640 That well that's what makes it. That's what that's what 1908 01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:09.680 they here, right, would make him dirty? Would be immortal, right, 1909 01:44:09.680 --> 01:44:10.920 he would, he would be of the earth. 1910 01:44:11.079 --> 01:44:14.399 Yeah, and he he he goes on about eating like, 1911 01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:16.439 you know, stuff like that. So it makes sense that 1912 01:44:16.520 --> 01:44:18.399 the kids like eating a plant. You know, it's it's 1913 01:44:18.520 --> 01:44:22.119 nice he's eating a vegetarian die my opinion, and. 1914 01:44:22.039 --> 01:44:25.920 The blood literally eating like one leaf a day for 1915 01:44:26.159 --> 01:44:27.359 several days. 1916 01:44:28.479 --> 01:44:30.079 And he can really do a lot of things to 1917 01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:32.359 solve that problem with his magical wizard abilities. 1918 01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:32.640 Right. 1919 01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:35.680 Yeah, he saw him make a dancing PEPSI can come on, 1920 01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:37.399 get out of here. This guy can find some food. 1921 01:44:38.640 --> 01:44:43.880 About that too. With the eating if, in my opinion, 1922 01:44:43.960 --> 01:44:48.520 like your I would think that maybe your senses. This 1923 01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:50.520 is hard to explain, but like your body's gonna have 1924 01:44:50.520 --> 01:44:52.880 to start paying it, like if to have a magical experience, 1925 01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:54.880 you're gonna have to slip out a little bit. And 1926 01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:56.439 I guess like if what if, Like if you're thinking 1927 01:44:56.439 --> 01:44:58.880 about if you're putting stuff back into your body, it's 1928 01:44:58.920 --> 01:45:01.560 gonna have to pay attention. Your stomach's gonna have to 1929 01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:04.600 paying attention to the food. This is really hard and 1930 01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:06.800 deep what I'm trying to explain here. But I do 1931 01:45:06.920 --> 01:45:10.159 think like maybe they can't make fast. Yeah, it's almost 1932 01:45:10.199 --> 01:45:12.720 like you're there's nothing there for your bidy to have 1933 01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:14.479 to actually spend any energy. 1934 01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:18.439 Sure, so you can concentrate the energy on magical stuff. Yes, 1935 01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:21.920 it makes sense, Yeah. 1936 01:45:21.760 --> 01:45:24.680 That does make sense. I didn't. I put in my 1937 01:45:24.760 --> 01:45:27.039 notes to ask you guys about it because I couldn't 1938 01:45:27.039 --> 01:45:30.439 figure out what it meant. Because I really forgot about 1939 01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:33.880 that little twig thing in his pocket and you pull 1940 01:45:33.920 --> 01:45:35.640 it out and you just eat a twig a day. 1941 01:45:35.720 --> 01:45:36.720 It was like a midleaf. 1942 01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:40.720 As a kid, I was like, this is all. 1943 01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:42.800 Right. 1944 01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:46.800 It's like that's they put in gum to make it. 1945 01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:53.239 You know, so we uh we haven't. He went on 1946 01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.880 quite a journey to get that dagger. I'm assuming there's 1947 01:45:55.920 --> 01:46:01.800 some some elements of this journey that has some deeper understandings. 1948 01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:05.359 So old uh chamler yer Old there goes to bet. 1949 01:46:05.439 --> 01:46:08.279 Well, technically it was you know, Mammoth Lakes, California, but 1950 01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:10.000 you know they did a good job and make it 1951 01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:12.239 look like Tibet. But I got a clip for us 1952 01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:14.159 here in that, in that journey on to get this 1953 01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:15.199 your dagger. 1954 01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:44.079 To my money, we have come to ask for the 1955 01:46:44.159 --> 01:46:45.239 sacred Cross. 1956 01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:48.159 Dagger over Jaunty for what reason? 1957 01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:51.760 For the golden Child. 1958 01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:59.000 So that's the second Christ, right before the funny part. 1959 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:01.439 I got I got that coming up. I want I 1960 01:47:01.439 --> 01:47:03.760 want to talk. I got that coming up. Julia, don't 1961 01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:07.319 worry about it. So that's the Segret cross dagger of Satan. 1962 01:47:07.399 --> 01:47:12.640 Huh, Well, he's only Satan when he's like all over 1963 01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:15.760 the place, when he's single pointed in his will. Then 1964 01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:19.600 he reaches apotheosis. He becomes like you could, Okay, I'm 1965 01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:21.520 gonna use like a word. It's gonna get me in trouble, 1966 01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:24.479 but it I'm just gonna say. Anyway, he becomes christ like, 1967 01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:27.039 if you want to say it like that, you can 1968 01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:27.640 say it like that. 1969 01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:30.520 It's okay, Sure, it's okay, Yeah, it's okay. 1970 01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:32.039 So what are we looking at here with this whole 1971 01:47:32.039 --> 01:47:34.199 scene before we get to that, I didn't leave out 1972 01:47:34.199 --> 01:47:36.000 the funny part, Julia, trust me, I got that here. 1973 01:47:36.319 --> 01:47:37.840 What are we looking at here with this whole scene? 1974 01:47:37.840 --> 01:47:41.439 He's walking into spending these uh these pillars and you know, 1975 01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:44.119 talking to this guy who's this wizard fellow slash bird. 1976 01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:49.159 What are you all thoughts on that? 1977 01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:50.560 Say that again? 1978 01:47:52.159 --> 01:47:52.760 The whole scene. 1979 01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:54.880 He walks into here with this temple and he's got 1980 01:47:54.880 --> 01:47:57.239 to spend his pillars and he's talking to the wizard 1981 01:47:57.279 --> 01:48:02.079 bird fella, you know, Nick shinn mm hmm. What's all 1982 01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:03.800 this about? And then why would this why would this 1983 01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:05.319 knife the house theory, you know what I mean? Like, 1984 01:48:05.319 --> 01:48:06.760 why are these are the keepers of the knife? Is 1985 01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:09.319 that what we're looking at here? These monk? 1986 01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:11.479 Yeah? 1987 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:13.880 Uh, I don't know. I saw that part of like 1988 01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:15.800 the Hero's Journey. 1989 01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:19.920 I put that it was the Hero's journey in my notes, 1990 01:48:20.239 --> 01:48:24.399 but I grouped this scene in with like him having 1991 01:48:24.399 --> 01:48:27.800 to carry the water and the Yeah, that's what I. 1992 01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:29.800 Was getting at. Yep, that's going across. 1993 01:48:29.560 --> 01:48:32.439 The bridge and doing all. So I mean I grouped 1994 01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:36.399 this scene in with the scene that follows as the 1995 01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:41.840 hero's journey part of the story, which the hero's journey. 1996 01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:46.640 I mean, honestly, Christ falls into the Hero's journey things, right, 1997 01:48:47.039 --> 01:48:50.079 So I don't think it's bad to say that. I 1998 01:48:50.119 --> 01:48:51.319 think it's like an. 1999 01:48:51.239 --> 01:48:53.960 Archetcype say that, Julia, you and Jen both can make 2000 01:48:54.039 --> 01:48:55.960 Christ references here on Operation GCD. 2001 01:48:56.039 --> 01:48:57.960 It's it's not banned, it's not censored. 2002 01:48:58.600 --> 01:49:02.000 Well say that dead, I think. 2003 01:49:02.600 --> 01:49:05.720 Huh, I said, even Numcy won't mind he's dead. 2004 01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:08.239 I think, oh really, I always. 2005 01:49:07.960 --> 01:49:09.760 Thought he was a good looking guy. I didn't know 2006 01:49:09.800 --> 01:49:10.439 he was dead. 2007 01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:12.880 Well, the actor, I think is alive. He played a 2008 01:49:13.199 --> 01:49:15.960 villain last section here as well. But yeah, here in 2009 01:49:15.960 --> 01:49:18.960 the film uc does not need a good end. No, 2010 01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:21.119 and again when we're I know there's a lot of 2011 01:49:21.119 --> 01:49:23.199 Eastern mysticism stuff, but I mean it's hard to not 2012 01:49:23.439 --> 01:49:26.560 see this through a you know, a very Christian Satanic 2013 01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:28.479 lens of the Satanic Panic era. 2014 01:49:29.319 --> 01:49:32.159 Well, I am a Christian, so I feel like that's 2015 01:49:32.199 --> 01:49:35.039 the only lens that I look through a lot of times. 2016 01:49:35.399 --> 01:49:38.359 But I mean, I always love to talk to people 2017 01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:40.520 like Jin and Nick because they get me to look 2018 01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:44.920 outside of my own perspective on things and to understand 2019 01:49:45.039 --> 01:49:48.279 like we can all be right at the same time. 2020 01:49:48.760 --> 01:49:50.560 But it's like I always say, it's like a five 2021 01:49:50.640 --> 01:49:56.199 layer burrito, and there's many layers to it. There's like 2022 01:49:56.479 --> 01:49:57.079 many things. 2023 01:49:57.119 --> 01:49:59.560 I'm an alien Christian that does that? Does that work 2024 01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:02.399 out well in this In this perspectives. 2025 01:50:02.039 --> 01:50:05.560 You can map it all to the tree for formerly 2026 01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:09.319 it doesn't really matter. You can honestly look at everything 2027 01:50:09.359 --> 01:50:12.119 like Kabala like you like what Julia said, you can 2028 01:50:12.199 --> 01:50:14.920 just understand that Kabala is sickly and then there's no problems. 2029 01:50:14.920 --> 01:50:16.920 So you can kind of look at all the systems 2030 01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:19.399 and say like, Okay, this is what this prefers, and 2031 01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:21.560 this is how to get there, but you don't have 2032 01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:23.319 to agree. It's just just like you can look at 2033 01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:25.439 it and say, yeah, this is the relative truth, so 2034 01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:28.720 you're sure fine with that. So that's how I feel 2035 01:50:28.760 --> 01:50:31.000 about like most other religions, not all of them, but 2036 01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:34.359 like Christianity for sure, Like it's a Christian kabala makes 2037 01:50:34.359 --> 01:50:36.439 perfect sense to me. There's it's no problem. 2038 01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:40.680 Joke's aside and dragon rapes aside. I think you know 2039 01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:43.359 what I was getting at with the Satan figure here, 2040 01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:46.880 nupsy here, you know, he he's They obviously have these 2041 01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:49.000 satanic cold elements you know, tied in here, like like 2042 01:50:49.039 --> 01:50:52.199 we were talking about before with the Blacker gangs, the kidnappings, 2043 01:50:52.239 --> 01:50:56.000 the you know, these these common tropes and understandings of this, 2044 01:50:56.920 --> 01:51:00.720 these real world situations that that transpire but or depicted 2045 01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:03.079 here in this film. But what I always like to 2046 01:51:03.079 --> 01:51:05.199 say also in those regards is like those people that 2047 01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:07.560 are doing these things, they don't believe in Satan also 2048 01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:09.800 was one thing I was. That's what I was, That's 2049 01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:11.520 what I was getting at, That's what I was good. 2050 01:51:12.319 --> 01:51:17.399 So you really aren't, you really aren't an alien Christian 2051 01:51:17.479 --> 01:51:18.239 or whatever. 2052 01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:19.680 You use formally formally? 2053 01:51:20.079 --> 01:51:23.800 What does that mean that Jesus was terrestrial or what that. 2054 01:51:25.159 --> 01:51:27.279 Yeah, well, you know, God loves on Cola. That's a 2055 01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:29.560 different story altogether. It's near the Star series. 2056 01:51:31.680 --> 01:51:32.840 A serious guy. 2057 01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:35.359 Huh, yeah, very very much. 2058 01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:35.479 So. 2059 01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:38.600 Now that was the first twenty two years of my life. 2060 01:51:38.640 --> 01:51:42.520 I recently just surpassed the you know, I've now longer 2061 01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:44.199 been not a Mormon than I was a Mormon. 2062 01:51:44.279 --> 01:51:50.680 So, oh, Mormonism, huh, let's see Christ. 2063 01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:54.000 Sorry, you're a good dude. That's good. 2064 01:51:54.199 --> 01:51:56.279 I just want to say that Heidi already knows this, 2065 01:51:56.439 --> 01:51:59.560 but like I kind of I'm very fascinated by like 2066 01:51:59.640 --> 01:52:02.560 how more means, think of like the tree and what 2067 01:52:02.640 --> 01:52:04.680 like what they're doing. I'm not I don't want to 2068 01:52:04.680 --> 01:52:07.199 be a Mormon. I'm not a Mormon or anything like that. 2069 01:52:07.640 --> 01:52:10.039 Sign up right now, Jane, let's get let's make it happen. 2070 01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:14.199 I don't know enough, I don't know anything about it, 2071 01:52:14.199 --> 01:52:20.359 but I'm just I just like it for the Cabala, 2072 01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:21.800 the mothership. 2073 01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:25.720 All right, let's ship. 2074 01:52:26.239 --> 01:52:27.680 All let's last off. 2075 01:52:27.800 --> 01:52:30.119 Let's let's check out that Phonny scene here though from 2076 01:52:30.119 --> 01:52:32.239 where he do another scene. 2077 01:52:35.079 --> 01:52:35.239 There? 2078 01:52:37.640 --> 01:52:50.760 Said him, ask it, I see. 2079 01:52:52.720 --> 01:52:53.560 What the name. 2080 01:53:01.800 --> 01:53:19.760 Any mask? Again? I want the knife. 2081 01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:23.399 Please. 2082 01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:43.359 Only a man whose heart is pure can wield a knife, 2083 01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:45.840 and if you're such a man, you will have it. 2084 01:53:48.439 --> 01:53:54.000 I love you died clips too, by the way, because 2085 01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:56.720 that's what makes the movie breakdowns the best. 2086 01:53:57.319 --> 01:53:58.520 I agree, I totally agree. 2087 01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:02.279 Apparently YouTube does not agree that YouTube it's not liking 2088 01:54:02.359 --> 01:54:03.600 the use of the clips. 2089 01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:06.720 But I agree with you the clips. 2090 01:54:07.239 --> 01:54:09.720 I was hoping you would include the clip where he's 2091 01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:13.760 at that medicinal shop and looking at all the herbs 2092 01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:16.960 and he's like, oh, yeah, that's good to keep the 2093 01:54:17.079 --> 01:54:20.520 yang up. And he's like, nothing wrong with my yang. 2094 01:54:22.279 --> 01:54:23.880 No, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get that one. 2095 01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:25.920 Another one you're talking. I know this team you're talking about, though. 2096 01:54:27.319 --> 01:54:29.760 No, it's a classic Gatees Murphy, right, it's some classic 2097 01:54:29.800 --> 01:54:34.079 Gatedes Murphy. But this idea, though, of this machination of 2098 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:37.840 this kind of satanic elements cult stuff in Los Angeles 2099 01:54:37.960 --> 01:54:41.079 with this Tibetan Buddhism stuff, to me just rings the 2100 01:54:41.600 --> 01:54:45.479 rings back to my you know, uh digging through the 2101 01:54:45.600 --> 01:54:49.159 thoughts of my brain. Oil here I recall at Sanders Files, 2102 01:54:49.840 --> 01:54:53.079 you know, the author of the family there, the Manson family, 2103 01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:56.720 the actual good book on the Manson family contemporary to 2104 01:54:56.920 --> 01:55:00.479 the actual crimes, not the bogle Oce nonsense. But at 2105 01:55:00.479 --> 01:55:02.199 Sanders wrote his you know, at the same time as 2106 01:55:02.239 --> 01:55:05.399 writing writing his book there in the early seventies, and 2107 01:55:05.399 --> 01:55:08.279 I think it was published in seventy four. But sanders 2108 01:55:08.359 --> 01:55:13.399 investigation was yielding some results that seemed to indicate there 2109 01:55:13.479 --> 01:55:21.960 was a imagination of Buddhist ideas, telemic ideas and theosophical 2110 01:55:22.039 --> 01:55:25.479 ideas I believe, into a into a cold faction that 2111 01:55:25.600 --> 01:55:28.239 was also a Cali worshiping cold faction out of Japan 2112 01:55:28.439 --> 01:55:31.039 called the Shing Gong cult, not Chin Gon, but Shin 2113 01:55:31.119 --> 01:55:33.359 Gone with the s So. 2114 01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:37.319 This totally correlates to what I know of like certain 2115 01:55:38.560 --> 01:55:40.439 we'll call them, like I guess they would have been 2116 01:55:40.479 --> 01:55:43.720 like process offshoots or whatever. And so like Michael's what. 2117 01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:45.840 This was supposedly right, the four Pie allegedly was a 2118 01:55:46.079 --> 01:55:47.960 was this four gone cult? 2119 01:55:48.039 --> 01:55:52.479 That's right. So I mean, I you know, this is 2120 01:55:52.560 --> 01:55:55.880 the thing is that there was there were in Nepal 2121 01:55:56.319 --> 01:55:59.880 during this whole postwar period. There have been Collie kind 2122 01:55:59.920 --> 01:56:03.119 of cults that are like parts Sulima, just like you're saying, 2123 01:56:03.159 --> 01:56:07.199 they're like parts of Vadriana. They're parts Hindu like Tntra, 2124 01:56:07.399 --> 01:56:11.239 they're parts like Satanism, their parts process Like it's kind 2125 01:56:11.239 --> 01:56:14.119 of a weird blend, but it's like taking the most 2126 01:56:14.199 --> 01:56:17.800 transgressive elements of all of them. So pretty much that's 2127 01:56:17.880 --> 01:56:20.880 what I kind of understand of them is that they're 2128 01:56:21.000 --> 01:56:25.000 just like really So Collie in Tntra is related to Saturn, 2129 01:56:25.319 --> 01:56:28.880 so that would immediately place her in Bana. So if 2130 01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:31.079 you're looking at the tree as like a ten or 2131 01:56:31.119 --> 01:56:35.159 eleven spheared structure, she would never go at Keather. She 2132 01:56:35.239 --> 01:56:38.279 would always go at Bana if you're really understanding what 2133 01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:41.319 she is. So they're looking at it as like this 2134 01:56:41.800 --> 01:56:44.439 this this way to like it's kind of like the 2135 01:56:44.520 --> 01:56:47.520 black cube matrix, Like everybody loves that kind of like thing. 2136 01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:48.760 That's kind of what it is. 2137 01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:51.239 But you're putting yourself in the box, like you're putting 2138 01:56:51.279 --> 01:56:54.600 yourself in the cube. You're densifying the world around you. 2139 01:56:55.079 --> 01:56:57.000 And so Nick brought up at the very beginning, like 2140 01:56:57.319 --> 01:56:59.800 we were talking about Golden Child and like I don't know, 2141 01:56:59.840 --> 01:57:02.039 he said to Jamatri or something, and he said it 2142 01:57:02.119 --> 01:57:06.079 was related to Vishnu. So Vishnu is related to Banah 2143 01:57:06.199 --> 01:57:10.199 and related to Saturn very closely. So there's this relationship 2144 01:57:10.319 --> 01:57:13.960 that you can sort of in Viishnavism, which is a 2145 01:57:14.079 --> 01:57:18.920 kind of Hinduism, you pray to Vishnu through Bakhdi. So 2146 01:57:19.039 --> 01:57:22.279 it's like considered to be like devotional love. You pray 2147 01:57:22.520 --> 01:57:26.239 so hard that eventually it will liberate you or eject 2148 01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:28.279 you from the cube or whatever it is, but it 2149 01:57:28.359 --> 01:57:31.359 will take it supposedly will take you millions of lifetimes. 2150 01:57:32.039 --> 01:57:34.079 So in a more tonic way, you would never get 2151 01:57:34.239 --> 01:57:39.279 stuck here. But obviously these people, you know, they're really 2152 01:57:39.319 --> 01:57:42.079 fixated on Calli, So that would be obviously a big 2153 01:57:42.159 --> 01:57:45.439 problem from a Buddhist perspective, because you wouldn't just fixate 2154 01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:47.960 on a deity or their name or you know, their 2155 01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:50.680 ferocious presentation. Those are just conceptual ideas. 2156 01:57:51.159 --> 01:57:51.560 You're saying. 2157 01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:53.439 This is a unique, more of an extremist view of 2158 01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:55.800 these situations, right, Yeah. 2159 01:57:55.680 --> 01:58:00.439 It's an annihilationist, very extremist, very very non. 2160 01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:01.960 Keno if you will, non. 2161 01:58:01.920 --> 01:58:05.680 Keno, because it's not about embracing love or like the 2162 01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:08.359 beauty of Maya, the beauty of the garden, or like 2163 01:58:08.680 --> 01:58:10.199 you know, connections with other people. 2164 01:58:10.520 --> 01:58:12.399 It's like kind of the tracking gin I'm catching on 2165 01:58:12.479 --> 01:58:15.079 to this Kino business. I'll get there eventually, but you're. 2166 01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:18.920 You're so the Keno thing is to love the world 2167 01:58:19.439 --> 01:58:21.680 and like accept it for what it is, and then 2168 01:58:21.800 --> 01:58:24.720 their view is to like they're kind of Calvinist almost 2169 01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:26.720 similar way. They're like, we're going to degrade the world. 2170 01:58:26.800 --> 01:58:28.399 We're going to do all the sin in the world, 2171 01:58:28.880 --> 01:58:31.399 and we're going to make it like from the Ashes, 2172 01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:33.520 We're going to remake it. But you don't really get 2173 01:58:33.560 --> 01:58:37.000 to control the cosmic cycle. That's a more Buddhist view. Obviously, 2174 01:58:37.119 --> 01:58:40.279 they do believe that they can like influence the cosmic cycle, 2175 01:58:40.359 --> 01:58:41.960 but I I don't personally believe they can. 2176 01:58:43.800 --> 01:58:44.079 JJ. 2177 01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:48.039 Have you heard of the Thuggy cult that was doing 2178 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:49.960 all the Cali worshiping stuff. 2179 01:58:50.840 --> 01:58:54.680 I think you told me about that somebody I thought 2180 01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:55.039 I did. 2181 01:58:55.640 --> 01:58:58.560 Yeah, I just covered them. I'm doing a new series 2182 01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:04.279 on different cults. It's called Into the CULTI Verse, and 2183 01:59:04.840 --> 01:59:08.560 I covered the Thuggie Cult and they were like Cali 2184 01:59:08.640 --> 01:59:11.399 worshipers whatever, whatever. But if you really look into it, 2185 01:59:12.039 --> 01:59:14.520 because like I always say, there's like a five l 2186 01:59:14.520 --> 01:59:16.640 a burrito the. 2187 01:59:16.680 --> 01:59:20.039 Thuds getting real hungry, dude, I love. 2188 01:59:20.039 --> 01:59:25.000 Taco bell Ship if you look go all the way 2189 01:59:25.079 --> 01:59:28.159 back into history with the Thuggie cults, they could have 2190 01:59:28.520 --> 01:59:34.520 possibly been assassins under the employee of the Brahmin family. 2191 01:59:35.319 --> 01:59:37.479 And I know we just spoke to about the Brahmin 2192 01:59:37.600 --> 01:59:41.720 family in connection with Tuesday World and the Boston Brahmins, 2193 01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:42.319 and so. 2194 01:59:42.760 --> 01:59:46.319 Like, yeah, there's we're talking Indian Brahmins because that's Kamala 2195 01:59:46.359 --> 01:59:47.439 Harris's people right there. 2196 01:59:47.600 --> 01:59:51.199 Yeah, that's the that's the same Brahmins that I'm talking about. 2197 01:59:51.399 --> 01:59:54.760 So yeah, there's a level of like Cali worshiping or whatever. 2198 01:59:54.920 --> 01:59:58.159 But if you really look under the surface, it's all 2199 01:59:58.279 --> 02:00:01.600 tied up in these weird royal blod line families and stuff. 2200 02:00:01.680 --> 02:00:06.279 So it's like you said about the Manson thing, it's 2201 02:00:06.439 --> 02:00:09.680 more than just like the Buglios. Oh they hated cops 2202 02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:11.920 or whatever the fuck he was trying. It's starting a 2203 02:00:12.039 --> 02:00:15.520 race war. It's like, no, let's let's really look at this, 2204 02:00:15.720 --> 02:00:19.319 peel the layers back and look at I think. 2205 02:00:20.560 --> 02:00:27.439 Was they were too much petchuli oil. Oh my gosh, 2206 02:00:28.079 --> 02:00:30.479 it went mad from the petuli oil. They had mad 2207 02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:31.720 pelio oil disease. 2208 02:00:32.239 --> 02:00:35.119 They had petuli oil bo stink. 2209 02:00:38.600 --> 02:00:44.039 I like peuli. So I'll send up for it. Oh no, 2210 02:00:44.239 --> 02:00:47.479 it's all okay. I actually like Betty verbetto, so I'll 2211 02:00:49.039 --> 02:00:52.920 but no, you're I mean, you're totally right, both of 2212 02:00:52.960 --> 02:00:56.199 you guys. Like you know, there is there's like deeper connections, 2213 02:00:56.279 --> 02:00:58.439 Like Vagiana has a lot of connections to some of 2214 02:00:58.560 --> 02:01:01.720 these obviously exim and other things, and it's kind of 2215 02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:05.640 like the old ideas that we lived in the Caliyuga. 2216 02:01:05.760 --> 02:01:08.000 Like bringing up this idea of Collie. It's not directly 2217 02:01:08.079 --> 02:01:10.720 one to one related to the goddess, but you can 2218 02:01:10.840 --> 02:01:15.319 use it as an archetypal metaphor. So she's like very destructive. 2219 02:01:15.520 --> 02:01:18.800 She's destroying the old system kind of, but it's also 2220 02:01:18.920 --> 02:01:22.319 bringing things in. So her power is really magnetization, but 2221 02:01:22.439 --> 02:01:25.880 it's the destruction through time. So you can think of 2222 02:01:25.960 --> 02:01:29.439 it like traveling through space. You're degrading, you're getting older, 2223 02:01:29.560 --> 02:01:32.000 exactly that same thing, and then you're gonna go to 2224 02:01:32.079 --> 02:01:34.880 the carnal ground and become a skeleton and you know, 2225 02:01:35.159 --> 02:01:38.319 like take on a new rebirth eventually. So that's what 2226 02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:40.359 she's doing. It's kind of like bringing you through the 2227 02:01:40.439 --> 02:01:42.880 cosmic cycle. So that Julia was talking about these like 2228 02:01:42.960 --> 02:01:46.479 Brahmin families. A lot of the Brahmin casts, so it's 2229 02:01:46.600 --> 02:01:50.840 like a birth cast that you're born into. They do 2230 02:01:51.079 --> 02:01:54.760 believe in this Vishnu figure, so they will outwardly pray 2231 02:01:54.840 --> 02:01:56.880 to the vish New figure. But there is also a 2232 02:01:56.960 --> 02:02:02.079 secret idea that you will do shocka Tontra or goddess 2233 02:02:02.159 --> 02:02:06.319 Tontra secretly at night, even though you pray to this 2234 02:02:06.600 --> 02:02:12.000 like very orthodox heroic kind of like good guy. You know, 2235 02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:15.720 he's the hero of the bag Gita. He's like, you know, 2236 02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:18.880 he's the king of heaven. But at night you're doing 2237 02:02:18.960 --> 02:02:23.720 something more transgressive, more contric more secret mystery called stuff. 2238 02:02:23.800 --> 02:02:26.439 So yeah, I think there's a really interesting idea with that. 2239 02:02:26.560 --> 02:02:28.840 What Julia was saying, it's like kind of always like 2240 02:02:28.920 --> 02:02:30.960 the ad, there's an inverse and then there's like it 2241 02:02:31.000 --> 02:02:33.119 depends on how you look at it, Like from what 2242 02:02:33.319 --> 02:02:34.079 perspective you. 2243 02:02:34.159 --> 02:02:35.079 Mean you got to look at it. 2244 02:02:36.840 --> 02:02:40.479 Mh, both ways, you got to look at it. 2245 02:02:42.079 --> 02:02:44.000 No, I think it's a it's an interesting when I 2246 02:02:44.159 --> 02:02:46.000 was just looking. We're still up on YouTube there, nick. 2247 02:02:50.760 --> 02:02:51.680 Did they kick us off? 2248 02:02:55.439 --> 02:02:55.800 In case? 2249 02:02:56.000 --> 02:02:58.960 I'll probably pull it down after this, after the life. 2250 02:02:58.800 --> 02:03:03.520 Though, because of the clips those bitches a little one. 2251 02:03:04.600 --> 02:03:06.960 No I said I won't. I was going to if 2252 02:03:06.960 --> 02:03:09.399 we weren't, but yeah, I'm looking on both of our channels. 2253 02:03:09.399 --> 02:03:14.199 We're still up yeah, programming there here. But let's uh, 2254 02:03:14.439 --> 02:03:16.199 it's a good it's a good point to wrap this up. 2255 02:03:16.279 --> 02:03:21.279 So what may I thank you all for your time 2256 02:03:21.319 --> 02:03:24.359 this evening. First and foremost, I appreciate y'all joining me 2257 02:03:24.439 --> 02:03:27.159 to do a and the cold and and or esoteric 2258 02:03:27.239 --> 02:03:31.520 review of The Golden Child. Obviously I kind of gave 2259 02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:34.760 the spoiler alert earlier Old Nipsy Dies courtesy of that 2260 02:03:34.880 --> 02:03:39.399 dagger and uh, and any any closing contents I can 2261 02:03:39.439 --> 02:03:41.840 pass off to y'all starting starry with you there, Julia, 2262 02:03:42.279 --> 02:03:43.279 I appreciate your time, ma'am. 2263 02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:45.520 Great conversation, Thank you. 2264 02:03:45.880 --> 02:03:49.359 Yeah, I just have a few closing ideas for the movie, 2265 02:03:50.079 --> 02:03:51.079 and thanks for inviting. 2266 02:03:51.359 --> 02:03:53.840 Yeah, don't feel rushed, don't feel rushed at all, but 2267 02:03:54.359 --> 02:03:56.319 absolutely oh yeah. 2268 02:03:56.199 --> 02:04:01.640 I was just gonna say I noticed that the movie 2269 02:04:01.800 --> 02:04:05.560 begins with him resurrecting a bird, and then the movie 2270 02:04:06.279 --> 02:04:08.479 or the movie begins with a resurrection, and it ends 2271 02:04:08.520 --> 02:04:12.439 with a resurrection because he brings back the moon deity 2272 02:04:12.560 --> 02:04:15.239 if you will, or the Moon goddess, he brings her back, 2273 02:04:16.159 --> 02:04:21.000 so it starts and ends with a resurrection. Also, at 2274 02:04:21.079 --> 02:04:28.359 the end of the movie, he is bringing monarch butterflies 2275 02:04:28.880 --> 02:04:32.119 back to life, so I don't know if anybody else 2276 02:04:32.199 --> 02:04:35.359 caught that, but of course, you know the whole monarch thing, 2277 02:04:35.640 --> 02:04:40.039 so I thought that was pretty significant. And then the 2278 02:04:40.239 --> 02:04:44.159 house where they're keeping the Golden Child has black and 2279 02:04:44.239 --> 02:04:48.279 white tile floors, So those were some of the main 2280 02:04:48.439 --> 02:04:50.880 things at the end of the movie that I thought 2281 02:04:51.319 --> 02:04:53.680 would be cool to mention for this breakdown. 2282 02:04:54.279 --> 02:04:55.159 But yeah, like I. 2283 02:04:55.159 --> 02:04:58.800 Said, I've been looking for somebody to want to talk 2284 02:04:58.880 --> 02:05:02.239 about this for a couple of year years now, just 2285 02:05:02.359 --> 02:05:04.960 because I feel like there's so many litted bits in 2286 02:05:05.079 --> 02:05:09.520 there that are cool and it's a hilarious movie, and 2287 02:05:09.680 --> 02:05:13.640 it's for me. I like to cover nostalgic childhood movies 2288 02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:15.920 that I loved, and this is one of them for sure. 2289 02:05:15.960 --> 02:05:18.359 I watched it all the time when I was a kid. 2290 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:20.000 So thanks for having me. 2291 02:05:21.199 --> 02:05:22.680 Absolutely, thank you for joining us. 2292 02:05:24.000 --> 02:05:26.039 I feel the same way about the nostalgic movies of 2293 02:05:26.119 --> 02:05:28.279 my childhood, you know, and this is up there with 2294 02:05:28.319 --> 02:05:28.960 Goonies for me. 2295 02:05:29.039 --> 02:05:32.119 This one is I love Goonies. 2296 02:05:34.279 --> 02:05:37.840 For sure. Now, thanks again, Nick. 2297 02:05:38.680 --> 02:05:41.760 Do you have any closing statements on the on your 2298 02:05:41.800 --> 02:05:44.800 review of the film, or any any thoughts or any 2299 02:05:44.840 --> 02:05:48.520 plugs you'd like to to discuss your h No. 2300 02:05:48.840 --> 02:05:50.439 I mean I was. I was excited we got to 2301 02:05:50.479 --> 02:05:52.560 do it because I definitely think it's a deeply occulted 2302 02:05:52.640 --> 02:05:56.279 movie for sure. Uh yeah. I thought this was great. 2303 02:05:56.760 --> 02:06:00.560 It was great. Everybody had great stuff to say. Uh yeah. 2304 02:06:01.960 --> 02:06:05.279 Besides that, for me, the one thing that I just 2305 02:06:05.359 --> 02:06:07.279 do want to push is in which I think we're 2306 02:06:07.319 --> 02:06:09.439 all probably saying it anyway, I do think there's a 2307 02:06:09.479 --> 02:06:12.439 cabalistic tale, and you know, there's cobalistic symbolism in this 2308 02:06:12.560 --> 02:06:15.800 movie for sure. I think you can if you pay 2309 02:06:15.800 --> 02:06:18.000 attention and look at it with the colors and certain 2310 02:06:18.039 --> 02:06:21.000 symbols and the male and female characters, I think you'll 2311 02:06:21.000 --> 02:06:23.720 see it. That's it. 2312 02:06:25.119 --> 02:06:29.359 Nice. Anything coming up on the Occult Rejects, Oh. 2313 02:06:29.279 --> 02:06:31.920 Yeah again, let's see. I can tell you a few 2314 02:06:31.960 --> 02:06:33.439 things that are coming out. Oh yeah, we got to 2315 02:06:33.479 --> 02:06:35.640 morm of My Mafia coming out on audio Red Heifer 2316 02:06:35.800 --> 02:06:40.159 this Friday. We got to Marian Deities next week with 2317 02:06:40.359 --> 02:06:43.479 Gray Pilled and the Coral Castle with Library They Untold 2318 02:06:43.640 --> 02:06:44.479 coming out soon too. 2319 02:06:45.000 --> 02:06:49.000 Don't don't forget about vampire lady. Yes, yeah, that's the vampire. Yes, 2320 02:06:50.000 --> 02:06:51.920 she was a nice vampire. She didn't try to eat anybody. 2321 02:06:52.039 --> 02:06:54.520 Yeah, that will drop on audio as well for people 2322 02:06:54.520 --> 02:06:57.199 who have not heard that yet. That's already been done 2323 02:06:57.239 --> 02:06:59.399 and I think it's still out on the live so 2324 02:06:59.800 --> 02:07:00.520 check it out now. 2325 02:07:01.439 --> 02:07:01.680 Nice. 2326 02:07:01.880 --> 02:07:02.840 Yeah, I'm leaving that up. 2327 02:07:06.640 --> 02:07:08.960 All right. Well, for share your time, sir Jen, for 2328 02:07:09.079 --> 02:07:10.039 shure your time, sir Any. 2329 02:07:10.079 --> 02:07:13.920 Closing thoughts on the the nineteen eighty six cinematic masterpiece 2330 02:07:14.319 --> 02:07:15.079 The Golden Child. 2331 02:07:15.680 --> 02:07:20.119 So if you research Ken McLeod, he wrote a new book. 2332 02:07:20.199 --> 02:07:22.399 I mentioned it right at the beginning Magic of Adriana. 2333 02:07:22.479 --> 02:07:24.800 He talks about all the stuff that Nick and I 2334 02:07:25.119 --> 02:07:28.079 just discussed, like a lot. He understands Kabala as well, 2335 02:07:28.199 --> 02:07:32.359 like or he just he's able to like the system 2336 02:07:32.439 --> 02:07:35.520 doesn't matter. He just kind of gets he's had the experience, 2337 02:07:35.560 --> 02:07:38.199 so it doesn't really matter. He's just describing something so 2338 02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:41.000 every he can. I'm not recommending him necessarily, but if 2339 02:07:41.039 --> 02:07:43.800 you look into his background, he actually has a really 2340 02:07:43.880 --> 02:07:46.960 interesting teacher. I'm sure JJ would find it really fascinating, 2341 02:07:47.560 --> 02:07:50.960 and who was sort of the object of his own 2342 02:07:51.640 --> 02:07:55.039 perhaps a scandal, will say in the past. But I'm 2343 02:07:55.119 --> 02:07:57.960 not casting aspersions on anyone. I'm just saying it is 2344 02:07:58.119 --> 02:08:01.439 kind of interesting. But he is a very interesting teacher, 2345 02:08:01.479 --> 02:08:03.760 and I think he has some profound things to say. 2346 02:08:03.800 --> 02:08:07.039 And I think he obviously consulted. I think he taught, 2347 02:08:07.199 --> 02:08:10.479 like showed them how to use the couplistic ideas, but 2348 02:08:10.680 --> 02:08:13.840 like make sure it was as much as it is syncretic. 2349 02:08:13.920 --> 02:08:16.119 I think it keeps too like it's a Vazra film. 2350 02:08:16.399 --> 02:08:19.239 You could say it like really has that aesthetic, but 2351 02:08:19.359 --> 02:08:21.680 it also keeps true to a lot of the ideas. 2352 02:08:22.239 --> 02:08:24.159 So I want to just say thank you so much 2353 02:08:24.279 --> 02:08:27.640 to JJ, thank you so much to Nick always bringing 2354 02:08:27.680 --> 02:08:30.520 me on. Nick really appreciate it. And of course Julia, 2355 02:08:30.640 --> 02:08:33.199 I've we've worked together. I think this is our fourth time, 2356 02:08:33.279 --> 02:08:36.000 but we've never we spoke a little of this c 2357 02:08:36.119 --> 02:08:39.880 lest So I will end on this. I told you waning, 2358 02:08:40.239 --> 02:08:42.800 so waning is more my thinking, whereas like you're trying 2359 02:08:42.840 --> 02:08:46.479 to like cast the sort of like the bad luck 2360 02:08:46.560 --> 02:08:47.279 into the past. 2361 02:08:47.600 --> 02:08:49.359 That's why the barber tips. 2362 02:08:49.760 --> 02:08:53.199 Yeah, I love these tips. I love these tips. 2363 02:08:53.640 --> 02:08:56.000 So if it's waning, Moon, you cut your hair and 2364 02:08:56.119 --> 02:08:58.520 then you burn. Like as I said, you can burn it. 2365 02:08:58.800 --> 02:09:01.840 So that's like casting the old you into the past. 2366 02:09:02.800 --> 02:09:05.479 Or if you want, like to feel more beautiful, that's 2367 02:09:05.479 --> 02:09:08.000 a good maybe word to use. You could do it 2368 02:09:08.079 --> 02:09:10.000 on a waxing moon, because I would like sort of 2369 02:09:10.199 --> 02:09:13.640 empower you. So it's like either idea. I'm more of 2370 02:09:13.680 --> 02:09:15.840 a waning person just because I always think like that, 2371 02:09:16.039 --> 02:09:18.680 but maybe it was good. It's good to consider balance. 2372 02:09:19.359 --> 02:09:22.159 Well, I will say this, and I'm so glad you 2373 02:09:22.239 --> 02:09:26.239 brought it up again. God bless you because my appointment's 2374 02:09:26.279 --> 02:09:33.279 tomorrow and it is a waning moon. I uh, over 2375 02:09:33.319 --> 02:09:35.560 the last year, I've been through a lot, divorced and 2376 02:09:35.600 --> 02:09:39.520 all kinds of stuff, and so like my ex husband 2377 02:09:39.640 --> 02:09:42.439 touched this hair, and I want it off my head. 2378 02:09:42.560 --> 02:09:45.319 I want to cut, I want it gone off of me. 2379 02:09:45.520 --> 02:09:48.159 I want a new fresh start. So I think the 2380 02:09:48.279 --> 02:09:53.359 way No, I'm I'm just thinking it's all at least 2381 02:09:53.399 --> 02:09:56.000 half of it's got to go. It's got to go. 2382 02:09:56.840 --> 02:10:01.039 So I, oh, Julia, pretty frightened, looking like very intimidating, 2383 02:10:01.600 --> 02:10:02.439 no one want to with you. 2384 02:10:02.920 --> 02:10:03.800 She just got mohawk. 2385 02:10:04.600 --> 02:10:07.319 I could be a ginger mohawk kind of gal. I 2386 02:10:07.479 --> 02:10:08.560 might I might do that. 2387 02:10:08.800 --> 02:10:09.159 I don't know. 2388 02:10:09.279 --> 02:10:12.880 We'll see, but I'm gonna go with the waning moon 2389 02:10:13.319 --> 02:10:15.760 on this one, Jin because I need a new me, 2390 02:10:16.560 --> 02:10:17.199 a new year. 2391 02:10:17.439 --> 02:10:17.840 Knew me. 2392 02:10:21.000 --> 02:10:21.159 Well. 2393 02:10:21.159 --> 02:10:24.039 I'm glad that I could rectify that, because I did. 2394 02:10:24.079 --> 02:10:26.520 I felt bad leaving you on the waiting thing knowing 2395 02:10:26.640 --> 02:10:28.399 that there was two, but I didn't really think of 2396 02:10:28.479 --> 02:10:31.399 that at first, so I'm glad I could correct it. 2397 02:10:31.560 --> 02:10:33.399 So thank you for giving me that, and of course, 2398 02:10:33.479 --> 02:10:36.399 thank you to JJ for inviting me to do these 2399 02:10:36.960 --> 02:10:40.640 ocall film reviews. Everybody knows it's my favorite. I love 2400 02:10:40.720 --> 02:10:44.359 the Agitator podcast as well with J David Osborne, and 2401 02:10:44.560 --> 02:10:46.600 he's going to come on my show, and you know, 2402 02:10:46.640 --> 02:10:50.680 they talk about Japanese movies. Obviously, doing cinema reviews is 2403 02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:53.720 kind of my secret dream as a podcaster, but I'm 2404 02:10:53.760 --> 02:11:03.039 more of an occultist really, so thank you so much now. 2405 02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:04.880 I appreciate you all. It's one of my favorite films. 2406 02:11:04.920 --> 02:11:07.279 I'm glad we got a chance to discuss it. Definitely 2407 02:11:07.319 --> 02:11:09.359 a big fan of the Golden Child, and thanks to 2408 02:11:09.399 --> 02:11:12.000 all folks of the interwebs for joining us again. JJ 2409 02:11:12.239 --> 02:11:15.439 Vance not the Vice President host of Operations G c 2410 02:11:15.600 --> 02:11:19.279 D also co host of Fridays There with Nick from 2411 02:11:19.319 --> 02:11:23.199 the The Cult Rejects Operations g c D mash up there, So. 2412 02:11:24.720 --> 02:11:26.199 Thanks again everyone, have a good evening. 2413 02:12:01.840 --> 02:12:09.119 Plphical that 2414 02:12:11.960 --> 02:12:12.000 That