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Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out

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of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them.

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The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my

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head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And

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one of the things I remember the most where the

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eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

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It is just circling these steps like it is waiting

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for me. And he begins to tell them that he

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saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about.

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That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,

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noose and the eyes as soon as I made eye

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contact with this thing, And don't like that.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Ted Foyle Tales. I'm your host Brandon Tonight.

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We're joined by my guest Lynn, Lynn. Thanks for coming

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on here and talking with me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Would you like to let the audience know a little

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bit about yourself before we get into it?

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Speaker 1: All? Right? Well it was, Brandon says. My name is Lynn.

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I lived down in southern Indiana, just about thirty miles

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north of Louisville, Kentucky. So that kind of here's you

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an idea on where I'm at, maybe how I got

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this accent, did.

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Speaker 2: Without going too far into it, did the southern part

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of Indiana. I've talked to some people before and they

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claim that the further south you go, the more Sasquatch

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sightings you get. Is that something that you've heard through

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now area?

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Speaker 1: You know, they claim just south of me, about ten

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miles in the Clark State Forest, that there are bigfoot

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down there, Sasquatch. However, you're going to look at them,

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And until about two weeks ago, I would have told you.

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And I can't say I had a Bigfoot experience down there.

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I went down there with a bigfoot group their camp

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out down in the Clark Forest, and I did see something,

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but you know, I can't say it was bigfoot. You know,

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it's always It's been a subject that I've been interested

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in a long time. When legend Boggy Creek first came

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out in nineteen seventy two, I went to see that

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and it just it just sparked my interest, you know,

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in bigfoot. But you know, other than that, I really

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don't have any tales of big it. But you know,

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I've had paranormal experiences and a UFO experience, which is

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and you know, the the paranormal experience is kind of

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the more interesting of the two. So that's what I

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came on tonight to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I know you said you're by Louisville. I

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was actually just down there two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I had forgotten about the goat Man Festival

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or I would have been down there.

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Speaker 2: It was actually a pretty good time, really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I know exactly where it's at. I've been down

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to that park where it's at, so I know it

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exactly where it's at.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty busy, which I don't know if it

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was all just for the goat Man Festival part, because

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they also do like the Haunt train ride and everything

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else that they have going on there too, so that

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draws in a lot of people in general. But then

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you have the it's all free too, so they can

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walk around, and you got all the vent booth, and

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then I was kind of surprised that how much of

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the drinking was going on out there, because they really

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they had.

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Speaker 1: Well a lot of people love that bourbon down Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: They had little vendors up with that too, like their

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own little breweries and stuff, so everyone was kind of

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walking around with an adult beverage. I was like, oh,

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this is a little different than what I'm used to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, most cryptid. You know, festivals don't do that

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kind of stuff. But whatever, it bothered me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said. Everyone was having a good time. There

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was no craziness going on, so I can't complain.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you would like to talk about your paranormal experience,

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I will turn it over to you and let's get

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Speaker 1: Well, this has happened to me in May of nineteen

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ninety five, so I just kept thinking about that today

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and man, that's thirty year years ago. But I used

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to do Civil War reenacting and we had gone down

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to northern Georgia at a little town called Grisaka, Georgia,

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where there was a battle in eighteen sixty four at

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the town of Resaka, and we had gone down there

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to do the annual reenactment of the Battle of Resaca,

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and that particular weekend just so happened to be the

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anniversary of the battle. I think it was one hundred

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and thirty first anniversary of the battle, excuse me. So

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we were on a portion of the actual battlefield on

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the actual dates of the battle. And we had arrived

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on Friday morning and had we had I used to portray.

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which actually fought at the Battle of Resaka. So anyway,

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we got there and we set up camp in the

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woods kind of up this general sloping hill, and being

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May and Georgia, it was pretty warm, so we didn't

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use tents. We just throwed our gear out on the ground.

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that's just kind of the day that everybody comes in.

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you know, we built the fire and we were sitting

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in the around the campfire, and you know, the later

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it got and there were about five thousand reenactors down there.

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midnight before the or later before the camps finally started

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quieting down. And after the camps got quiet up, for

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some reason, I couldn't go to sleep, and I had

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rolled over on my right side and it sounded like

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somebody said my name in my left ear. I was expecting,

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you know, one of our guys in the groom, and

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I rolled over and there wasn't anybody there, so I

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I thought, left, you know whatever, So I'm laying their camp,

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you know, like I said, finally quiets down, except I

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can hear what sounds like someone circling our camp. At

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some point they would stop, and then it would sound

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like they were getting ready to walk into our camp,

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you know. And I kept looking up expecting somebody to

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walk in to the firelight, and nobody would show up.

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partially around and do the same thing. Sounded like they

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were walking into camp and then back out. You know.

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and guys just had all their equipment and their muskets

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and stuff leaned up against the trees, and I thought,

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you know, here we are in northern Georgia, dressed as Yankees.

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weren't fond of us being there, or you know, might

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try to slip into camp and steal some gear. So

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you know, set around, PopEd in the fire, thinking well,

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if they see someone that's up, maybe they'll go away.

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One of the other guys is named Mike, and I said,

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somebody out here messing around. He said, well, mean and

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I told him, you know about the walking around the

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camp and stuff. And we were sitting there kind of

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close together on the ground, kind of whispering between ourselves

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because we didn't really want to wake anybody else up.

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kind of up the hill and away from us, and

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I said, look, Mike, I said, there goes somebody right there.

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carrying a lit cigarette. Just that light looked like the

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end of a blowing cigarette. And I said, look, Mike,

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I said, there goes somebody right there. And he looked

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up the hill he saw it and he hollered out, hey,

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what do you want. It stopped and it came down

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the hill and when it got where Mike and I

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were setting, that's all it was. It was a light

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and it was about the size of a pencil eraser

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and had kind of a light greenish glowed to it.

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but and it kind of floated in between Mike and

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I and we would look down at it, and then

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we would look up at each other. And we did

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this like three or four times, didn't say anything, and

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finally it just flowed it out of camp and we

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watched it float on up the hill and out of sight.

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guys woke up and said, Hey, what's going on? And

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we told him what had happened. He said, I'm telling you,

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He said, I've been filling it all night. He said,

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there's ghosts out here. I had never even entered my mind,

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you know. And I'm you know, thirty five thirty six

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years old at the time, and I was getting pretty

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freaked out. After that guy said that I could not

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go to sleep. He said, all just go over there

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and lay back down and go to sleep. And I said, man,

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there's no way I'm going to sleep. I had my musket,

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you know, of course, it didn't have any live rounds,

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and what are you going to kill if it's not alive? Anyway?

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And I sit there, you know, the other guys all

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went to sleep, and I sat there for what seemed

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like hours, just hoping for daylight. And finally I got

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settled down and got calmed down enough. I went over

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and laid down and went right to sleep. I got

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up the next morning and felt pretty stupid, you know,

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for being so scared. And I was standing just got

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up and I kind of looked up the hill and

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Mike was standing up close to the you know, a

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few feet I don't know, twenty feet or so away

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from me, and he's standing up there looking at me,

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and I thought, well, I just well go up there

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and let them guys, you know, ridding me about being

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scared last night, because I'm I'm sure that the other

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guy that woke up and told everybody how terrified I was.

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looked at Mike. Mike and I'm tall, and Mike was

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about a half a head taller than me, so I

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kind of looked up at Mike and I didn't say anything.

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I don't know. He said, I believe it was a

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lightning bug. I said, Mike, living lightning buds out last

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night he goes yeah, he said, I still think it

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was a lightning bug. I said, Mike, lightning budge flash,

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I still think it was a lightning bug. And I

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you when you've called out to you too? He goes yeah.

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was kind of all that was said about it, and

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that this being Saturday morning, you know, we still had

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another night sleep out there on the battlefield, and I

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thought closer it got to dark, and more nervous I got,

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and I thought, I don't know if I can sleep

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out here tonight or not. I thought about once going

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to my truck and sleeping in the back of my truck,

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and I thought, oh, that's about a half a mile away,

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and there ain't nobody out there, and I said, I'm

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not doing that. But Saturday night I had laid down

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and went to sleep, never heard anything, never saw anything.

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And come to find out, we were on a portion

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of the battlefield where the seventieth Indiana Infantry had crossed

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during the battle. So, you know, we now think that

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maybe it was a soldier that died there, and being

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the guy that called out was our captain, you know,

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just thought, well, there's an officer down there calling to me.

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I better go down there and see what he wants.

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its way. So but that that's been about the most

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freaked out that I've ever been, you know, and I've

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had a few paranormal experiences over my life, but that one,

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that one really got me.

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Speaker 2: How big of would you say the light actually was

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you could get to me.

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Speaker 1: It looked once it got to where we were at,

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about the size of a pencil eraser, So it was

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very small. But you know, that's all it was is light.

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the end of a cigarette.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, about the size of the end of the cigarette.

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we were watching it go up the hill before you know,

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Mike called out to it, that's where in my mind

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it was. With somebody walking up the hill carrying a

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lit cigarette.

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Speaker 2: That's strange. I don't I'm trying to think. I don't

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know of anything that would have like a greenish glow

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to it other than that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was about the color of

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a lightning.

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Speaker 2: Bud, but they wouldn't be a consistent no on like

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they light up for a second and then it goes

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out right.

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Speaker 1: And there were no lightning thugs out that night because

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this would have been I looked it up on the

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calendar today. It would have been the thirteenth of May,

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and you know, that's the actual day the battle started

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on in Risaka, Georgia. It was May thirteenth and went

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through May fifteenth, and we were down there for that

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same period one hundred and thirty one hundred and thirty

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one years later or whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: I don't doubt that there's not some sort of haunting

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spirit or because I know, like even like with Gettysburg,

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a lot of people report that having all sorts of

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activity there because you think about how many people died there.

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So if you're doing a reenactment in an area, clearly

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there was a battle there at one point, so people

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had to have died. So I'm wondering if if there's

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not some or people like I don't want to call

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them ghost but spirits or whatever they are. It's still

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stuck there because they're still in the endless loop of

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the war.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I've slept on a lot of battlefields

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being a reenactor, and there's only one other battlefield that

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made me nervous, and that's Murphysboro, Tennessee at the battle

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Stone's River battlefield. I never could sleep well on that

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battlefield for whatever reason. I've slept it, Gettysburg on the battlefield,

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I've slept it, Perryville, Kentucky on their battlefield. Gosh, you know,

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Sailor's Creek and Virginia. So, but that's that's the only

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two that that I ever felt really nervous about. And

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I didn't feel nervous at Resoaka until that happened.

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Speaker 2: We have a battle filled up here that they do

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a reenactment for the Battle of eighteen twelve where that Yeah,

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and uh, the miss Sinewal area too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been to both of those.

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Speaker 2: The Miss Sinewa is not too far from where I live,

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but I've never been to one of the reenactments, but

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I've been to that area, and surprisingly, I have interviewed

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people that have had bigfoot encounters over there.

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Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, Yeah, that Foot's the thing that I'm still

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very very much want to have an experience. And like

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I said a couple of weeks ago, when I was

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with that Green at the Clark Forest, I'm not willing

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to say that was a bigfoot, but it was something

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very tall, and it was just a silhouette because we

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had walked into the edge of the woods to the

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they had had it. They had set up a gifting

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stump and I was standing next to the gifting stump

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and looking back towards the firelight, which was probably fifty

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yards and at about twenty to twenty five yards, I

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watched something very tall and dark walk from right to left.

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And there were probably six or eight of us back there,

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and I was the only one facing that direction, so

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that I was the only one that saw it. So

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but you know, it wasn't clear enough that I could say, yeah,

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that was bigfoot. So and I'm still really a big

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skeptic on bigfoot, you know, because I haven't had any

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kind of experience other than that, you know that they exist.

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I want them to exist, you know, but I just

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can't say that they do. Right.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of how I feel about a lot of

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things that I want to believe it, But at the

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same time, for me personally, I have to see things

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and I've never personally seen a big foot. And when

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you try and look at things in a rational sense,

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like a scientific sense, it doesn't make a whole lot

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of sense because there's been no bodies. So if there's

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no bodies, where are they at? Like what happens if

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they die? Like where do they go? Like there has

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to be a breeding population. So that's why I lean

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more like skeptical on a lot of stuff because it

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doesn't make any sort of sense. But then if you

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start to look into it as maybe they're not just

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a flesh and blood thing, then that's how people get

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around the whole concept of Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that, you know, people say that, you know,

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they see things. They'll see a lightness and then they'll

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see a bigfoot or vice versa.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've had people talk about they hear like

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mind speak, which is kind of weird to think about,

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like these things have like some sort of telepathic communications.

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Speaker 1: It's been around people that claim that that's happened to them.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's the guy from Survivor man Less

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Strout actually, of all people, has talked about having mind

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speak to him.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think I've heard him talk about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he been on a few shows about it. He's

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mentioned that he's had encounter where he had something talking

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to him, Yeah, in his head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've not had that. Like I said, that's other

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than I don't know if I call it a scream

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or a howl. I heard forty five years ago, you know,

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and forty five years ago you didn't have all these

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bigfoot documentaries to compare things to. But the one or

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two that I had had heard, that's what it made

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me think of. And three of us heard it, and

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we all said, you know, some form of bigfoot or sasquatch,

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you know, but that was you know. Again, I can't

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say if it was or it wasn't, but it was

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a sound that I'd never heard in the woods before.

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Speaker 2: So my plan for this weekend is I'm going to

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be back out because I've been working on filming stuff

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for this area, and hopefully I pick something up. This

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is where I struggle with is like I want to

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capture something, but at the same time, do you really

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want to be out there by yourself with something.

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Speaker 1: Exactly like you know. And unfortunately, nowadays with artificial intelligent intelligence,

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video or photograph is not going to be good enough.

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Speaker 2: No, you're gonna need a body.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna need a body. Sad what you say. And

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but you know, I've been getting up there in the

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last two three years, you know, with with this bigfoot

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group and stuff, and because I figure that's the only

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way I'm going to have an experience is if I

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get out there and and you know, listen, and you know,

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I think I think if they're out there, they're a

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very curious animal. And instead of stomping around in the

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woods and banging on trees and screaming, I think just

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sitting around the campfire and kind of doing your normal

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routine and just listening is going to give you a

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lot more than than what you see on you tube

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in places you know where they they get out and

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bang on trees and yell and stuff like that. But

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that's just my opinion.

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Speaker 2: If a sasquatch is able to communicate, it understands, it

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can stay hidden and everything else. I think it knows

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the difference between one of us banging on a tree

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and yelling from one of it doing Yeah, That's why

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I've never been one to go out there and bang

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on trees or start yelling in the woods, because I

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don't think that's going to do anything besides letting.

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Speaker 1: Them know to avoid. The group that I hang out with,

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you know, on occasion build their campouts. They don't do that.

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They don't go out and bang on trees and scream.

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It's just, you know, we go out, we find a

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relatively secluded spot where we can just sit and listen,

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you know. And you know, I'm not one of those

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that think every tree break and every tree bend or

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what have is Bigfoot. Too much out there that can

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cause that kind of stuff, you know, So but who

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knows it might be you know, that might be what

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they're doing. I can't say, right, yeah, I saw some stuff,

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do I mean? You know, ever since I seen the

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Legend of Boggy Creek when I was fourteen, you know

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that that's peaked my enter. I don't think i'd ever

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heard of Bigfoot up until nineteen seventy two when that

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movie came out. I don't think i'd ever seen the

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Patterson Giblin film until you know, after.

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Speaker 2: Right, so say Patterson Gidlin, I think was sixty seven,

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sixty eight seven. Yeah, yeah, so it'd been a couple

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of years before that, but that seems to be the

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timeframe when bigfoot mania happened, like right after the Patterson

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Giblin film in the early seventies and through the seventies

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up to the eighties, like that was a big thing

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for Bigfoot. But in the fifties, I feel like it

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was like the heyday for the UFO sightings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, from forty seven on, you know, and you know,

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my I don't know if you're interested in hearing my

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UFO story, but you know that was in nineteen seventy eight. Okay,

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June third, nineteen seventy eight. That dates burned into my memory.

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I never will forget it.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting how we remember specific dates of things

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that happened.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I had I worked over in Madison,

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or I did worked over in Madison, Indiana, And it

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was about a twenty five mile drive for me to

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get home. And I remember June third, nineteen seventy eight.

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It was a nice, warm, clear night. I had the

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wind to roll down on my truck and I would,

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you know, kind of stargazing as I was driving home,

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and I was on a section road that was real

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flat and straight, and I noticed to my left there

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was a light in the sky kind of parallel on me,

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but I didn't think anything about it. I thought headlight

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of an airplane, and I kind of glanced over at

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it every once a while and got to a point

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all of a sudden it turned down at about a

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forty five degree angle and went down behind some trees,

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and I thought, oh, that the airplanes either had to

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make up a emergency landing, or it's crashed or something,

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you know. And I go about another mile and this

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particular road gets a little bit hilly, and as I

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topped one hill that woods that light had gone behind

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came out to the edge of the road. And when

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I topped that hill, that light came out from behind

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the trees and crossed the road in front of me,

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probably two hundred yards. And then it went back up

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and it went started going west the same direction I

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was going in, and never never moved away from it,

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just stayed that constant speed, kind of matching my speed,

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and even as it would make turns, it was still

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that same solid kind of yellowish light, kind of halfway

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between yellow and orange, you know, And I got out

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of ways and it turned, came back down across the

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road in front of me again, and I mean this

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thing was so low that it was casting light onto

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the road in front of me, and it went back up,

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and we were both going the same direction again. At

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some point I have to cross over another highway. And

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after I crossed over that highway, it turned, came back

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down across the road in front of me again, and

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then back up, and probably another two miles it went

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west along with me, just but it was ahead of me,

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and I turned on left onto another highway, and when

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I turned left, it turned left with me. So now

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it's beside my truck about two hundred yards. And I

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scooted across that highway as hard as I don't pick

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up truck to go. And then I come to a

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t road and I had to turn right. When I

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turned right, it went over my truck. And for I

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don't know, half a mile, I couldn't see it, so

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it must have been over my truck. But then all

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of a sudden I seen it going toward the south,

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and I don't know, at some point as it was

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going south that just it just went out and you know,

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at that point, I was probably two miles from home,

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you know, and I got home and again, you know,

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there was another one of those things that I was

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you know, I was questioning what I seen and and

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was pretty well freaked out about that too. And so

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the next night at or I don't know if it's

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the next night, but a day or two later at work,

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I was telling some people about it. And one guy so,

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what night was that? And I told him, and he's

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seen on the news that they had had a UFO

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siding and down to Kentucky somewhere that same night. So

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I don't know, you know, it was the same object

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or not, but yeah, it there was another case. It

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00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:54,240
was I was pretty well freaked out about.

475
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:58,599
Speaker 2: Could you tell about how large it actually was?

476
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:04,519
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I mean, you know, from from you know,

477
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,000
where I was at and where it was at, I

478
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:16,519
really couldn't tell. I don't maybe the size of a

479
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:22,000
beach ball from my perspective, maybe, but I really couldn't tell.

480
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,920
I mean, you know, it might have been much larger.

481
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,039
It could have been further away from me than what

482
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,039
I thought, so it could have been much larger. But

483
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,519
you know, it never never changed shapes, It never changed.

484
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,200
You know, if something turns away from you, usually you

485
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,680
know our headlight, or something turns away from you, you

486
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:45,400
can see a globe, but you can't really see the headlight.

487
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:50,079
But it never changed in its appearance to me. It

488
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,920
was just a solid light.

489
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: And this was back then. You said seventy eight, So

490
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:58,880
this would have been before drones or anything like that.

491
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, long before drunk drunes. Yeah there was.

492
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:06,519
I mean, like I said, when I first saw it,

493
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:11,359
I thought it was the headlight of an aeroplane. But

494
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:18,200
like I said, it would turn in perpendicular to me

495
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:20,119
as it came down in front of me, and it

496
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:26,400
always stayed that same constant light. It never changed at all.

497
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,839
Speaker 2: Some people would today something like that could have been

498
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,559
a helicopter, but you would have heard a helicopter or right.

499
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,119
Speaker 1: And at the altitude that it was flying as it

500
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,480
crossed the road in front of me, I mean, there's

501
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:44,880
power lines that run along that highway and it either

502
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,519
had to be just above them or it was below them.

503
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:51,039
And I mean, like I said, when it would cross

504
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:55,000
the road, it cast light on the road in front

505
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:55,240
of me.

506
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's an interesting one because I've heard

507
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,079
someone else talk similar about something that they had saw

508
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,519
and the power lines was Actually it wasn't anyone that

509
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:10,279
I interviewed. I heard it on a different show, but

510
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,839
they had said whatever this thing was either had to

511
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,400
have flown under the power line or just right above

512
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,200
the power line, because the distance it was from them,

513
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,240
from the way it looked right, it wasn't very far

514
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:22,880
off the ground.

515
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was either under a mirror, it was just

516
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,359
over but I mean, you know, and it was because

517
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,599
i'd gotten I had Normally I would get off at

518
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,680
twelve thirty am, but that particular night, I had worked

519
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,799
two hours over So when this happened, it was pitch dark.

520
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,839
It was, you know, two thirty quarter to three in

521
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,079
the morning when I first saw it. So it was

522
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,880
pitch black and no pilot. And he's right, mind is

523
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,319
going to be buzzing, you know, some guy in a

524
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,519
pickup truck going down the road at two thirty quarter

525
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:01,440
to three in the morning.

526
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: Right for the years that it was in and the

527
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,880
time of night and everything else, it's just a strange

528
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,599
time for anyone to be out doing anything like that.

529
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: I carried a camera with me for six months of course,

530
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:21,240
you know, anything like that when you get a camera

531
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:22,440
with you.

532
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,119
Speaker 2: No, that's the problem that I've said about trying to

533
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:27,559
make a documentary is I want to go out and

534
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,680
film things, but at the same time, it's usually the

535
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,720
people that are out there trying to see things or

536
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:34,799
catch things are the ones that never experienced it. It's

537
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:37,200
the times when you're not looking for something when things happen.

538
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yeah, you know. Yeah, when you're not looking

539
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,440
for something, you'll catch those glimpses out of the corner

540
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,000
of your eye, you know, you know, think what was that?

541
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,759
You know. But yeah, I've had I've had a few

542
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,519
paranoral more experiences over the years. And yeah, I saw

543
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,679
what I'll call a ghost for lack of a better term,

544
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,840
when I was My first was when I was about

545
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,400
eleven twelve years old, and it was my uncle who

546
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,960
had died probably well, he died in nineteen sixty three,

547
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:33,719
and this was probably sixty nine seventy when I saw him,

548
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,079
just as plain as days, standing in a pitch dark

549
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,639
room and he just stood out and he was looking

550
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:48,679
at me, and after probably what wasn't more than ten seconds,

551
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:52,519
he just vanished. And I've never. I've not seen him since,

552
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:59,400
but I don't know. I'm always a little hesitant to

553
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,880
tell to me stories at one time for fear that

554
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,519
people frank, well, this guy really is a good you know,

555
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,320
seeing all this stuff, and you know, but this is

556
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,880
over a period of you know, sixty years that I've

557
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,760
had these experiences.

558
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 2: I used to be of the mindset when I first

559
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,639
started this show, and even beforehand, I was like, well,

560
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:24,039
people can't have all these type of experiences, Clearly they're

561
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:27,960
just making things up. But the more I've looked into it,

562
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,760
it's actually pretty common for people that have had an

563
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,079
experience to have multiple experiences when it comes to this

564
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:39,679
weird world of paranormal stuff, because if you've seen a UFO,

565
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,039
you've most likely had an experience with a ghost at

566
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:47,440
some point. And I figured out the people that said

567
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,159
they've seen a bigfoot of usually seen something like a UFO, right,

568
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,119
It's it kind of goes with each other. And that's

569
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,400
kind of where I've leaned at today, is like, I think,

570
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,280
honestly a lot of this stuff is connected. Is I

571
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,119
think certain people are just more Maybe I don't not

572
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:04,440
prone to see the stuff like the.

573
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: UFO thing, that's the only time I've ever seen anything

574
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:16,519
that made me think UFO or alien or what have you.

575
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:21,639
Because but you know, like I said, paranormal I've had

576
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,880
several of those over my life. And we even go

577
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:30,199
looking for ghosts several once in a while. We're not

578
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,480
you know, we don't have all that equipment and stuff

579
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:38,000
that we carry around with us. And actually my wife

580
00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:45,440
and I lead those tours and paranormal investigations at our

581
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,360
local museum here and we've been doing that for twenty

582
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:55,400
three years or something like that, So, you know, those

583
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,440
kinds of things we kind of put ourselves in situations

584
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,639
to to see or here. Man, mostly it's here things

585
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:05,119
that we can't explain, you know.

586
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,679
Speaker 2: That is the one thing that I've noticed when it

587
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,639
comes to paranormal investigation is that there's a lot more

588
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:16,880
audio rather than video. I've got people that have sent

589
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,800
me EVPs and other noises and stuff, and I try

590
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,199
and listen to it. I can hear things there. But again,

591
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,159
when it comes to audio, it's really hard to know

592
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,440
if it's not contaminated by not saying that they're faking it,

593
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,159
but like it could just be some sort of signal

594
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,760
getting picked up from something else. Yeah.

595
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to say, but you know, we've gotten

596
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:52,480
responses to questions you know that fit so uh, and

597
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,199
we don't have many of them. We've got, you know,

598
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,719
we've got a couple that people have sent us, and

599
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,400
then we've got that we've recorded on our own. We've

600
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,320
got a couple pictures that people have sent it us,

601
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,960
but I have never ever had any left trying to

602
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,559
take a picture and get anything in it.

603
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one thing that I can say that

604
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,880
I don't have, but I might have. It's strange when

605
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,800
I first started recording out here, when I got this

606
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,559
one of those barns that I converted it into a

607
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,199
recording studios, I got out of the basement of my

608
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,480
house and I moved outside into this barn and I

609
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,400
finished it off into like this little soundproof recording area

610
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,159
for myself, and I have cameras in here. Well last year,

611
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,400
it picks up movements, so it started recording and it

612
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,039
goes right to my phone when it lets me know

613
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,559
that there's someone in here, and I got a notification

614
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:54,480
there's a person in my barn, and it's daylight and

615
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:57,599
I don't see a person, but there is a shadow,

616
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:02,960
and the shadow moved across the desk, which is strange

617
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,280
because I don't know where the shadow would have moved from.

618
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:09,639
And then in the background there was a shirt that

619
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:13,199
I had hung up on the wall and you can

620
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:15,440
see it to start to move by itself. So I've

621
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,280
tried to say it was my air conditioner in the window. Oh,

622
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,519
that's kicked on, and maybe that's why it started to blow.

623
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,480
But at the same time, the air conditioner had been

624
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:29,960
on for months and it's never done that before. So

625
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:35,880
I never got a notification again, and I didn't. I

626
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,679
don't know where the why the shadow. The shadow is

627
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,400
the weird part for me, right, and then the shirt

628
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,840
moving after the shadow is what's weird. I was like, so,

629
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,039
if the air conditioners on, I can see that making

630
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:53,000
the shirt move, but I can't explain why it's never

631
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:53,960
done it again.

632
00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:59,159
Speaker 1: Right, right, So that's yeah, it does kind of make

633
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:07,119
you think maybe got something. But you know, like I said, unfortunately, nowadays,

634
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:08,840
it's going to take more than a picture of a

635
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,440
video getting No, that's the you know, we don't even

636
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,920
take our camera with us when you know, if we're

637
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:22,159
leading investigation or something at our local museum. We don't

638
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,320
even we don't even take a camera with us anymore

639
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,920
because I've just never had any luck. And like I said,

640
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:33,599
you know, you know, back in the days when film

641
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,639
was it was the thing. You know, then you know,

642
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:39,880
if you got something in a picture, then you can

643
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,079
mind of question it a little bit harder than what

644
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,119
you can now.

645
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:52,199
Speaker 2: You know, for me, how the AI has taken prevalence

646
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:56,320
in the last three to four years, it is rampantly

647
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:01,320
evolved to where it's really hard to tell real from

648
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,079
fake it anymore. It's getting to know.

649
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,559
Speaker 1: I hate it just for that reason.

650
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:13,559
Speaker 2: I've been making funny videos like it's uh, it's it's me,

651
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,639
but it's not me. It's not my voice, but it's

652
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,960
my face, and like I'm being chased by a big

653
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,119
foot and I ran over a dog man. Like I've

654
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,880
been making stupid videos for like TikTok or whatever, and

655
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,800
that's all I've been doing with it because I think

656
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,320
it's funny.

657
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, if you're putting something out there

658
00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:37,639
and people know it's it's fake and it's just it's

659
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,039
just meant to be funny. But that that's one thing.

660
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,920
But you know, so many people put that stuff out

661
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,400
there to try to fool someone. That's that's what aggravates me.

662
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I don't get. Like anyone that watches

663
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,679
what I've been posting there, they're going to know it's

664
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,559
just a joke because nothing looks real. But I've seen

665
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,000
some stuff out there that people have latantly been sharing

666
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:04,000
saying this is real, and I know it's not real

667
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:07,599
because I've seen it passed around before as Ai and

668
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,239
other people are saying it's not Ai, as like, I

669
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,519
know that's Ai. And I actually did a photo that

670
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,679
it looks very real, and I asked if anyone has

671
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,559
seen anything like this before. I didn't say it was

672
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:24,360
real or whatever, and people started taking that photo as

673
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,440
real and I was like, no, it's I had it generated.

674
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,679
That's completely fake. But they're trying to argue with me

675
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,199
that it was realized, Like, no, I'm the one that

676
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:31,639
did it.

677
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, when we lead, you know, just

678
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,760
like a ghost tour or something through our museum, and

679
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,719
people will hear something and if I know what it is,

680
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,239
you know, I'll say, no, that's just whatever, And you know,

681
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,800
it's hard to convince some people that what they're hearing

682
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,880
is not real.

683
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,199
Speaker 2: Some people want to believe so bad that they will

684
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:02,079
believe anything just to satisfy that urge to believe.

685
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,639
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, you know, And and the

686
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:11,199
stuff that I've seen, you know, I questioned that still yet,

687
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:14,639
you know, Okay, was you know when I saw my uncle?

688
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,119
Was I sleepwalking? I used to do that when I

689
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:23,239
was a kid. Was I sleepwalking and dreamt that I've

690
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:32,599
seen him? Or was he actually there? You know the

691
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,840
UFO thing, you know, I saw a light. Now was

692
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:44,360
it being manipulated by extraterresturials? I don't have any idea,

693
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,559
but it was acting really strange. And I was wide

694
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,599
awake because I was driving home from work, you know.

695
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: And and you know.

696
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:56,599
Speaker 1: The length of time that that happened to me was

697
00:43:56,679 --> 00:44:05,440
probably at least fifteen minutes that this thing was right

698
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,360
there where I could see it, because from the time

699
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,440
I seen it until the time it disappeared, it was

700
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:17,599
a good fifteen minutes for me to travel that many miles. Yeah,

701
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,920
but still, I can't say it was an alien craft.

702
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,559
Speaker 2: But it was keeping up pace along with you, right

703
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:31,960
in the same distance. So right, that kind of reminds

704
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,320
me of one of the episodes I did with a

705
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,320
lady that's local. She didn't see UFO, but she saw

706
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,159
something walking in the road that looked like a gray

707
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:43,000
alien for all.

708
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: I listened to part of that podcast today.

709
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And no matter the speed that she was going,

710
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,000
it kept the same distance, And I was like, was

711
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it like a bug on the wood shield or something

712
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like that? But and then it just just goes off

713
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the side and it disappears. And I've heard other people

714
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,480
talk about stuff like that too, that they would be

715
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driving along and whatever this thing was always kept the

716
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,719
same pace with them, Right, So it makes you wonder

717
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,000
if it's like a reflection, like to try and like

718
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look at it from a skeptical stance, like if it

719
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wasn't a reflection, it wasn't a bug. I try and

720
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rule out every possibility, and then you come back to, Okay, well,

721
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well what the heck was it then? Because clearly, if

722
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it's none of these things that can be explained, then

723
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it's unexplainable. And that to me goes back to the

724
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whole paranormal aspect because you can't really explain it at

725
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that point.

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Speaker 1: Right. And I've seen those videos you know where looks

727
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like something walking like, I think particular one. I'm thinking

728
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,159
it's about Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, and these guys are driving down

729
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:50,119
the road and it looks like something walks across, but

730
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,840
if you look really close, you can tell it's where

731
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a bug is hit the windshield, you know, and just

732
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:59,239
the camera angles and the way the guy was moving

733
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,519
in the car then made it look like it was,

734
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you know, crossing the road in front of them. So

735
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:09,079
you know that those are the kinds of things. You

736
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know that if I see something like that, I'm going

737
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to look extra close and I'm going to replay it

738
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,280
several times and see, Okay, is that really happening what

739
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,840
I'm seeing or is there something else going on there?

740
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Speaker 2: You know, That's what I've always hoped people would do,

741
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and I've encouraged is to try and not rule everything

742
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,519
in the sense of it's all paranormal. I've went on

743
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:37,280
a couple of paranormal investigations and everything that happened to

744
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,719
the oh, this is paranormal, is parent I was like, no,

745
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,719
you have to rule everything out before you can claim

746
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,519
it's paranormal, right, because if you start seeing everything's paranormal,

747
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:52,639
then you have no credibility, right, so if you want

748
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:55,440
to prove a point to people, then you have to

749
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,599
look at it from a perspective of Okay, this is

750
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:05,760
not paranormal until you can't explain it right. Well, we've

751
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,079
been going on for a little over forty five minutes,

752
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:10,199
getting close to an hour. So is there anything else

753
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,559
you would like to discuss right now or if not,

754
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:14,559
we can probably start to wind this one down.

755
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:16,199
Speaker 1: Nothing I can think of.

756
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: Well, it has been a pleasure talking to you. I'm

757
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,760
always happy to talk to a fellow Indiana person.

758
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,639
Speaker 1: Yep. Well, you know, I didn't know whether you'd done

759
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,239
these things in person, you know, at events or how

760
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,480
that worked until I sent you that email.

761
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 2: So I last year I took this with me to record.

762
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,280
I have the ability to record in person, but with

763
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,280
the noise in the background the audio, it's very muddy.

764
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:49,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

765
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: So I've always just tried to anymore like this year

766
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,800
when I've I've done like twelve different events so far already,

767
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,880
and I've just been given out the cards and telling

768
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:02,760
people if they want to reach out to me, sometimes

769
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,039
shoot me an email like you did.

770
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:09,559
Speaker 1: And yeah, what's been fun. I've enjoyed it, you know.

771
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:13,320
I just hope people don't think I'm too crazy.

772
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: If they're listening to the show that at this point

773
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:19,440
it's getting close to two hundred and fifty episodes, so

774
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,639
I don't think they're gonna think you're crazy.

775
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: But like I said, not that I really care anyway.

776
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,320
If I did, I wouldn't I wouldn't tell my stories.

777
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:33,000
But you know, I just think they're interesting. And you know,

778
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:35,480
I love to sit around and talk about this stuff.

779
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,960
I love to hear other people's experiences and you know,

780
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,159
and like to tell mine too.

781
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: So that's part of the reason I do the show

782
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,719
is because I wanted to give an opportunity for everyone

783
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,239
that wanted to talk about things the place to do

784
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,320
it because sometimes for that very reason too, is you

785
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,679
can't talk about them everywhere beause people think you're crazy.

786
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:03,599
Speaker 1: Right right, But now it's been fun, you know, I

787
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,840
really enjoyed enjoyed it, so me too.

788
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,599
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure talking with you. But you have

789
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:11,440
a good night, all right, Thanks Brandon, huh, good night

790
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:18,320
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791
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,880
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792
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795
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