Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them.
The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my
head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And
one of the things I remember the most where the
eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.
It is just circling these steps like it is waiting
for me. And he begins to tell them that he
saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about.
That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle,
noose and the eyes as soon as I made eye
contact with this thing, And don't like that.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Ted Foyle Tales. I'm your host Brandon Tonight.
We're joined by my guest Lynn, Lynn. Thanks for coming
on here and talking with me.
Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Would you like to let the audience know a little
bit about yourself before we get into it?
Speaker 1: All? Right? Well it was, Brandon says. My name is Lynn.
I lived down in southern Indiana, just about thirty miles
north of Louisville, Kentucky. So that kind of here's you
an idea on where I'm at, maybe how I got
this accent, did.
Speaker 2: Without going too far into it, did the southern part
of Indiana. I've talked to some people before and they
claim that the further south you go, the more Sasquatch
sightings you get. Is that something that you've heard through
now area?
Speaker 1: You know, they claim just south of me, about ten
miles in the Clark State Forest, that there are bigfoot
down there, Sasquatch. However, you're going to look at them,
And until about two weeks ago, I would have told you.
And I can't say I had a Bigfoot experience down there.
I went down there with a bigfoot group their camp
out down in the Clark Forest, and I did see something,
but you know, I can't say it was bigfoot. You know,
it's always It's been a subject that I've been interested
in a long time. When legend Boggy Creek first came
out in nineteen seventy two, I went to see that
and it just it just sparked my interest, you know,
in bigfoot. But you know, other than that, I really
don't have any tales of big it. But you know,
I've had paranormal experiences and a UFO experience, which is
and you know, the the paranormal experience is kind of
the more interesting of the two. So that's what I
came on tonight to talk about.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I know you said you're by Louisville. I
was actually just down there two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I had forgotten about the goat Man Festival
or I would have been down there.
Speaker 2: It was actually a pretty good time, really.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know exactly where it's at. I've been down
to that park where it's at, so I know it
exactly where it's at.
Speaker 2: It was pretty busy, which I don't know if it
was all just for the goat Man Festival part, because
they also do like the Haunt train ride and everything
else that they have going on there too, so that
draws in a lot of people in general. But then
you have the it's all free too, so they can
walk around, and you got all the vent booth, and
then I was kind of surprised that how much of
the drinking was going on out there, because they really
they had.
Speaker 1: Well a lot of people love that bourbon down Kentucky.
Speaker 2: They had little vendors up with that too, like their
own little breweries and stuff, so everyone was kind of
walking around with an adult beverage. I was like, oh,
this is a little different than what I'm used to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, most cryptid. You know, festivals don't do that
kind of stuff. But whatever, it bothered me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said. Everyone was having a good time. There
was no craziness going on, so I can't complain.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Well, if you would like to talk about your paranormal experience,
I will turn it over to you and let's get
into it.
Speaker 1: Well, this has happened to me in May of nineteen
ninety five, so I just kept thinking about that today
and man, that's thirty year years ago. But I used
to do Civil War reenacting and we had gone down
to northern Georgia at a little town called Grisaka, Georgia,
where there was a battle in eighteen sixty four at
the town of Resaka, and we had gone down there
to do the annual reenactment of the Battle of Resaca,
and that particular weekend just so happened to be the
anniversary of the battle. I think it was one hundred
and thirty first anniversary of the battle, excuse me. So
we were on a portion of the actual battlefield on
the actual dates of the battle. And we had arrived
on Friday morning and had we had I used to portray.
The company I portrayed was the thirty eighth Indiana Volunteer Infantry,
which actually fought at the Battle of Resaka. So anyway,
we got there and we set up camp in the
woods kind of up this general sloping hill, and being
May and Georgia, it was pretty warm, so we didn't
use tents. We just throwed our gear out on the ground.
And you know, they don't really have the reenactment on Friday,
that's just kind of the day that everybody comes in.
So we got all set up, an evening came and
you know, we built the fire and we were sitting
in the around the campfire, and you know, the later
it got and there were about five thousand reenactors down there.
So as things started settling down, you know, gosh, probably
midnight before the or later before the camps finally started
quieting down. And after the camps got quiet up, for
some reason, I couldn't go to sleep, and I had
rolled over on my right side and it sounded like
somebody said my name in my left ear. I was expecting,
you know, one of our guys in the groom, and
I rolled over and there wasn't anybody there, so I
I thought, left, you know whatever, So I'm laying their camp,
you know, like I said, finally quiets down, except I
can hear what sounds like someone circling our camp. At
some point they would stop, and then it would sound
like they were getting ready to walk into our camp,
you know. And I kept looking up expecting somebody to
walk in to the firelight, and nobody would show up.
But then I would hear it go back out, circle
partially around and do the same thing. Sounded like they
were walking into camp and then back out. You know.
I got worried that, you know, everybody was asleep except me,
and guys just had all their equipment and their muskets
and stuff leaned up against the trees, and I thought,
you know, here we are in northern Georgia, dressed as Yankees.
And I thought, well, maybe some local people or that
weren't fond of us being there, or you know, might
try to slip into camp and steal some gear. So
I got up and through a log on the fire,
you know, set around, PopEd in the fire, thinking well,
if they see someone that's up, maybe they'll go away.
I just kept hearing, kept hearing. So I finally woke up.
One of the other guys is named Mike, and I said,
somebody out here messing around. He said, well, mean and
I told him, you know about the walking around the
camp and stuff. And we were sitting there kind of
close together on the ground, kind of whispering between ourselves
because we didn't really want to wake anybody else up.
And then I saw a light going up through the woods,
kind of up the hill and away from us, and
I said, look, Mike, I said, there goes somebody right there.
And in my mind, what I was seeing was someone
carrying a lit cigarette. Just that light looked like the
end of a blowing cigarette. And I said, look, Mike,
I said, there goes somebody right there. And he looked
up the hill he saw it and he hollered out, hey,
what do you want. It stopped and it came down
the hill and when it got where Mike and I
were setting, that's all it was. It was a light
and it was about the size of a pencil eraser
and had kind of a light greenish glowed to it.
You know, it wasn't putting out a lot of light,
but and it kind of floated in between Mike and
I and we would look down at it, and then
we would look up at each other. And we did
this like three or four times, didn't say anything, and
finally it just flowed it out of camp and we
watched it float on up the hill and out of sight.
And before we could say anything, one of the other
guys woke up and said, Hey, what's going on? And
we told him what had happened. He said, I'm telling you,
He said, I've been filling it all night. He said,
there's ghosts out here. I had never even entered my mind,
you know. And I'm you know, thirty five thirty six
years old at the time, and I was getting pretty
freaked out. After that guy said that I could not
go to sleep. He said, all just go over there
and lay back down and go to sleep. And I said, man,
there's no way I'm going to sleep. I had my musket,
you know, of course, it didn't have any live rounds,
and what are you going to kill if it's not alive? Anyway?
And I sit there, you know, the other guys all
went to sleep, and I sat there for what seemed
like hours, just hoping for daylight. And finally I got
settled down and got calmed down enough. I went over
and laid down and went right to sleep. I got
up the next morning and felt pretty stupid, you know,
for being so scared. And I was standing just got
up and I kind of looked up the hill and
Mike was standing up close to the you know, a
few feet I don't know, twenty feet or so away
from me, and he's standing up there looking at me,
and I thought, well, I just well go up there
and let them guys, you know, ridding me about being
scared last night, because I'm I'm sure that the other
guy that woke up and told everybody how terrified I was.
And I walked up and I just stood there and
looked at Mike. Mike and I'm tall, and Mike was
about a half a head taller than me, so I
kind of looked up at Mike and I didn't say anything.
And he finally said, what was that last night? I said, Mike,
I don't know. He said, I believe it was a
lightning bug. I said, Mike, living lightning buds out last
night he goes yeah, he said, I still think it
was a lightning bug. I said, Mike, lightning budge flash,
This was just a solid light. He goes yeah, he said,
I still think it was a lightning bug. And I
saw how many lightning buds have you had respond to
you when you've called out to you too? He goes yeah.
That was pretty weird, wasn't it. And you know that
was kind of all that was said about it, and
that this being Saturday morning, you know, we still had
another night sleep out there on the battlefield, and I
thought closer it got to dark, and more nervous I got,
and I thought, I don't know if I can sleep
out here tonight or not. I thought about once going
to my truck and sleeping in the back of my truck,
and I thought, oh, that's about a half a mile away,
and there ain't nobody out there, and I said, I'm
not doing that. But Saturday night I had laid down
and went to sleep, never heard anything, never saw anything.
And come to find out, we were on a portion
of the battlefield where the seventieth Indiana Infantry had crossed
during the battle. So, you know, we now think that
maybe it was a soldier that died there, and being
the guy that called out was our captain, you know,
just thought, well, there's an officer down there calling to me.
I better go down there and see what he wants.
And then when we didn't either one speak to it
at that point, it just floated on and went on
its way. So but that that's been about the most
freaked out that I've ever been, you know, and I've
had a few paranormal experiences over my life, but that one,
that one really got me.
Speaker 2: How big of would you say the light actually was
you could get to me.
Speaker 1: It looked once it got to where we were at,
about the size of a pencil eraser, So it was
very small. But you know, that's all it was is light.
Speaker 2: M It does sound like what someone would be like
the end of a cigarette.
Speaker 1: Yeah, about the size of the end of the cigarette.
But it had a greenish glow to it instead of
a red glow to it. But in my mind, as
we were watching it go up the hill before you know,
Mike called out to it, that's where in my mind
it was. With somebody walking up the hill carrying a
lit cigarette.
Speaker 2: That's strange. I don't I'm trying to think. I don't
know of anything that would have like a greenish glow
to it other than that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was about the color of
a lightning.
Speaker 2: Bud, but they wouldn't be a consistent no on like
they light up for a second and then it goes
out right.
Speaker 1: And there were no lightning thugs out that night because
this would have been I looked it up on the
calendar today. It would have been the thirteenth of May,
and you know, that's the actual day the battle started
on in Risaka, Georgia. It was May thirteenth and went
through May fifteenth, and we were down there for that
same period one hundred and thirty one hundred and thirty
one years later or whatever it was.
Speaker 2: I don't doubt that there's not some sort of haunting
spirit or because I know, like even like with Gettysburg,
a lot of people report that having all sorts of
activity there because you think about how many people died there.
So if you're doing a reenactment in an area, clearly
there was a battle there at one point, so people
had to have died. So I'm wondering if if there's
not some or people like I don't want to call
them ghost but spirits or whatever they are. It's still
stuck there because they're still in the endless loop of
the war.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've slept on a lot of battlefields
being a reenactor, and there's only one other battlefield that
made me nervous, and that's Murphysboro, Tennessee at the battle
Stone's River battlefield. I never could sleep well on that
battlefield for whatever reason. I've slept it, Gettysburg on the battlefield,
I've slept it, Perryville, Kentucky on their battlefield. Gosh, you know,
Sailor's Creek and Virginia. So, but that's that's the only
two that that I ever felt really nervous about. And
I didn't feel nervous at Resoaka until that happened.
Speaker 2: We have a battle filled up here that they do
a reenactment for the Battle of eighteen twelve where that Yeah,
and uh, the miss Sinewal area too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been to both of those.
Speaker 2: The Miss Sinewa is not too far from where I live,
but I've never been to one of the reenactments, but
I've been to that area, and surprisingly, I have interviewed
people that have had bigfoot encounters over there.
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, Yeah, that Foot's the thing that I'm still
very very much want to have an experience. And like
I said a couple of weeks ago, when I was
with that Green at the Clark Forest, I'm not willing
to say that was a bigfoot, but it was something
very tall, and it was just a silhouette because we
had walked into the edge of the woods to the
they had had it. They had set up a gifting
stump and I was standing next to the gifting stump
and looking back towards the firelight, which was probably fifty
yards and at about twenty to twenty five yards, I
watched something very tall and dark walk from right to left.
And there were probably six or eight of us back there,
and I was the only one facing that direction, so
that I was the only one that saw it. So
but you know, it wasn't clear enough that I could say, yeah,
that was bigfoot. So and I'm still really a big
skeptic on bigfoot, you know, because I haven't had any
kind of experience other than that, you know that they exist.
I want them to exist, you know, but I just
can't say that they do. Right.
Speaker 2: That's kind of how I feel about a lot of
things that I want to believe it, But at the
same time, for me personally, I have to see things
and I've never personally seen a big foot. And when
you try and look at things in a rational sense,
like a scientific sense, it doesn't make a whole lot
of sense because there's been no bodies. So if there's
no bodies, where are they at? Like what happens if
they die? Like where do they go? Like there has
to be a breeding population. So that's why I lean
more like skeptical on a lot of stuff because it
doesn't make any sort of sense. But then if you
start to look into it as maybe they're not just
a flesh and blood thing, then that's how people get
around the whole concept of Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that, you know, people say that, you know,
they see things. They'll see a lightness and then they'll
see a bigfoot or vice versa.
Speaker 2: You know, I've had people talk about they hear like
mind speak, which is kind of weird to think about,
like these things have like some sort of telepathic communications.
Speaker 1: It's been around people that claim that that's happened to them.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's the guy from Survivor man Less
Strout actually, of all people, has talked about having mind
speak to him.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I've heard him talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he been on a few shows about it. He's
mentioned that he's had encounter where he had something talking
to him, Yeah, in his head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've not had that. Like I said, that's other
than I don't know if I call it a scream
or a howl. I heard forty five years ago, you know,
and forty five years ago you didn't have all these
bigfoot documentaries to compare things to. But the one or
two that I had had heard, that's what it made
me think of. And three of us heard it, and
we all said, you know, some form of bigfoot or sasquatch,
you know, but that was you know. Again, I can't
say if it was or it wasn't, but it was
a sound that I'd never heard in the woods before.
Speaker 2: So my plan for this weekend is I'm going to
be back out because I've been working on filming stuff
for this area, and hopefully I pick something up. This
is where I struggle with is like I want to
capture something, but at the same time, do you really
want to be out there by yourself with something.
Speaker 1: Exactly like you know. And unfortunately, nowadays with artificial intelligent intelligence,
video or photograph is not going to be good enough.
Speaker 2: No, you're gonna need a body.
Speaker 1: You're gonna need a body. Sad what you say. And
but you know, I've been getting up there in the
last two three years, you know, with with this bigfoot
group and stuff, and because I figure that's the only
way I'm going to have an experience is if I
get out there and and you know, listen, and you know,
I think I think if they're out there, they're a
very curious animal. And instead of stomping around in the
woods and banging on trees and screaming, I think just
sitting around the campfire and kind of doing your normal
routine and just listening is going to give you a
lot more than than what you see on you tube
in places you know where they they get out and
bang on trees and yell and stuff like that. But
that's just my opinion.
Speaker 2: If a sasquatch is able to communicate, it understands, it
can stay hidden and everything else. I think it knows
the difference between one of us banging on a tree
and yelling from one of it doing Yeah, That's why
I've never been one to go out there and bang
on trees or start yelling in the woods, because I
don't think that's going to do anything besides letting.
Speaker 1: Them know to avoid. The group that I hang out with,
you know, on occasion build their campouts. They don't do that.
They don't go out and bang on trees and scream.
It's just, you know, we go out, we find a
relatively secluded spot where we can just sit and listen,
you know. And you know, I'm not one of those
that think every tree break and every tree bend or
what have is Bigfoot. Too much out there that can
cause that kind of stuff, you know, So but who
knows it might be you know, that might be what
they're doing. I can't say, right, yeah, I saw some stuff,
do I mean? You know, ever since I seen the
Legend of Boggy Creek when I was fourteen, you know
that that's peaked my enter. I don't think i'd ever
heard of Bigfoot up until nineteen seventy two when that
movie came out. I don't think i'd ever seen the
Patterson Giblin film until you know, after.
Speaker 2: Right, so say Patterson Gidlin, I think was sixty seven,
sixty eight seven. Yeah, yeah, so it'd been a couple
of years before that, but that seems to be the
timeframe when bigfoot mania happened, like right after the Patterson
Giblin film in the early seventies and through the seventies
up to the eighties, like that was a big thing
for Bigfoot. But in the fifties, I feel like it
was like the heyday for the UFO sightings.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, from forty seven on, you know, and you know,
my I don't know if you're interested in hearing my
UFO story, but you know that was in nineteen seventy eight. Okay,
June third, nineteen seventy eight. That dates burned into my memory.
I never will forget it.
Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting how we remember specific dates of things
that happened.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I had I worked over in Madison,
or I did worked over in Madison, Indiana, And it
was about a twenty five mile drive for me to
get home. And I remember June third, nineteen seventy eight.
It was a nice, warm, clear night. I had the
wind to roll down on my truck and I would,
you know, kind of stargazing as I was driving home,
and I was on a section road that was real
flat and straight, and I noticed to my left there
was a light in the sky kind of parallel on me,
but I didn't think anything about it. I thought headlight
of an airplane, and I kind of glanced over at
it every once a while and got to a point
all of a sudden it turned down at about a
forty five degree angle and went down behind some trees,
and I thought, oh, that the airplanes either had to
make up a emergency landing, or it's crashed or something,
you know. And I go about another mile and this
particular road gets a little bit hilly, and as I
topped one hill that woods that light had gone behind
came out to the edge of the road. And when
I topped that hill, that light came out from behind
the trees and crossed the road in front of me,
probably two hundred yards. And then it went back up
and it went started going west the same direction I
was going in, and never never moved away from it,
just stayed that constant speed, kind of matching my speed,
and even as it would make turns, it was still
that same solid kind of yellowish light, kind of halfway
between yellow and orange, you know, And I got out
of ways and it turned, came back down across the
road in front of me again, and I mean this
thing was so low that it was casting light onto
the road in front of me, and it went back up,
and we were both going the same direction again. At
some point I have to cross over another highway. And
after I crossed over that highway, it turned, came back
down across the road in front of me again, and
then back up, and probably another two miles it went
west along with me, just but it was ahead of me,
and I turned on left onto another highway, and when
I turned left, it turned left with me. So now
it's beside my truck about two hundred yards. And I
scooted across that highway as hard as I don't pick
up truck to go. And then I come to a
t road and I had to turn right. When I
turned right, it went over my truck. And for I
don't know, half a mile, I couldn't see it, so
it must have been over my truck. But then all
of a sudden I seen it going toward the south,
and I don't know, at some point as it was
going south that just it just went out and you know,
at that point, I was probably two miles from home,
you know, and I got home and again, you know,
there was another one of those things that I was
you know, I was questioning what I seen and and
was pretty well freaked out about that too. And so
the next night at or I don't know if it's
the next night, but a day or two later at work,
I was telling some people about it. And one guy so,
what night was that? And I told him, and he's
seen on the news that they had had a UFO
siding and down to Kentucky somewhere that same night. So
I don't know, you know, it was the same object
or not, but yeah, it there was another case. It
was I was pretty well freaked out about.
Speaker 2: Could you tell about how large it actually was?
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I mean, you know, from from you know,
where I was at and where it was at, I
really couldn't tell. I don't maybe the size of a
beach ball from my perspective, maybe, but I really couldn't tell.
I mean, you know, it might have been much larger.
It could have been further away from me than what
I thought, so it could have been much larger. But
you know, it never never changed shapes, It never changed.
You know, if something turns away from you, usually you
know our headlight, or something turns away from you, you
can see a globe, but you can't really see the headlight.
But it never changed in its appearance to me. It
was just a solid light.
Speaker 2: And this was back then. You said seventy eight, So
this would have been before drones or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, long before drunk drunes. Yeah there was.
I mean, like I said, when I first saw it,
I thought it was the headlight of an aeroplane. But
like I said, it would turn in perpendicular to me
as it came down in front of me, and it
always stayed that same constant light. It never changed at all.
Speaker 2: Some people would today something like that could have been
a helicopter, but you would have heard a helicopter or right.
Speaker 1: And at the altitude that it was flying as it
crossed the road in front of me, I mean, there's
power lines that run along that highway and it either
had to be just above them or it was below them.
And I mean, like I said, when it would cross
the road, it cast light on the road in front
of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's an interesting one because I've heard
someone else talk similar about something that they had saw
and the power lines was Actually it wasn't anyone that
I interviewed. I heard it on a different show, but
they had said whatever this thing was either had to
have flown under the power line or just right above
the power line, because the distance it was from them,
from the way it looked right, it wasn't very far
off the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was either under a mirror, it was just
over but I mean, you know, and it was because
i'd gotten I had Normally I would get off at
twelve thirty am, but that particular night, I had worked
two hours over So when this happened, it was pitch dark.
It was, you know, two thirty quarter to three in
the morning when I first saw it. So it was
pitch black and no pilot. And he's right, mind is
going to be buzzing, you know, some guy in a
pickup truck going down the road at two thirty quarter
to three in the morning.
Speaker 2: Right for the years that it was in and the
time of night and everything else, it's just a strange
time for anyone to be out doing anything like that.
Speaker 1: I carried a camera with me for six months of course,
you know, anything like that when you get a camera
with you.
Speaker 2: No, that's the problem that I've said about trying to
make a documentary is I want to go out and
film things, but at the same time, it's usually the
people that are out there trying to see things or
catch things are the ones that never experienced it. It's
the times when you're not looking for something when things happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yeah, you know. Yeah, when you're not looking
for something, you'll catch those glimpses out of the corner
of your eye, you know, you know, think what was that?
You know. But yeah, I've had I've had a few
paranoral more experiences over the years. And yeah, I saw
what I'll call a ghost for lack of a better term,
when I was My first was when I was about
eleven twelve years old, and it was my uncle who
had died probably well, he died in nineteen sixty three,
and this was probably sixty nine seventy when I saw him,
just as plain as days, standing in a pitch dark
room and he just stood out and he was looking
at me, and after probably what wasn't more than ten seconds,
he just vanished. And I've never. I've not seen him since,
but I don't know. I'm always a little hesitant to
tell to me stories at one time for fear that
people frank, well, this guy really is a good you know,
seeing all this stuff, and you know, but this is
over a period of you know, sixty years that I've
had these experiences.
Speaker 2: I used to be of the mindset when I first
started this show, and even beforehand, I was like, well,
people can't have all these type of experiences, Clearly they're
just making things up. But the more I've looked into it,
it's actually pretty common for people that have had an
experience to have multiple experiences when it comes to this
weird world of paranormal stuff, because if you've seen a UFO,
you've most likely had an experience with a ghost at
some point. And I figured out the people that said
they've seen a bigfoot of usually seen something like a UFO, right,
It's it kind of goes with each other. And that's
kind of where I've leaned at today, is like, I think,
honestly a lot of this stuff is connected. Is I
think certain people are just more Maybe I don't not
prone to see the stuff like the.
Speaker 1: UFO thing, that's the only time I've ever seen anything
that made me think UFO or alien or what have you.
Because but you know, like I said, paranormal I've had
several of those over my life. And we even go
looking for ghosts several once in a while. We're not
you know, we don't have all that equipment and stuff
that we carry around with us. And actually my wife
and I lead those tours and paranormal investigations at our
local museum here and we've been doing that for twenty
three years or something like that, So, you know, those
kinds of things we kind of put ourselves in situations
to to see or here. Man, mostly it's here things
that we can't explain, you know.
Speaker 2: That is the one thing that I've noticed when it
comes to paranormal investigation is that there's a lot more
audio rather than video. I've got people that have sent
me EVPs and other noises and stuff, and I try
and listen to it. I can hear things there. But again,
when it comes to audio, it's really hard to know
if it's not contaminated by not saying that they're faking it,
but like it could just be some sort of signal
getting picked up from something else. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to say, but you know, we've gotten
responses to questions you know that fit so uh, and
we don't have many of them. We've got, you know,
we've got a couple that people have sent us, and
then we've got that we've recorded on our own. We've
got a couple pictures that people have sent it us,
but I have never ever had any left trying to
take a picture and get anything in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one thing that I can say that
I don't have, but I might have. It's strange when
I first started recording out here, when I got this
one of those barns that I converted it into a
recording studios, I got out of the basement of my
house and I moved outside into this barn and I
finished it off into like this little soundproof recording area
for myself, and I have cameras in here. Well last year,
it picks up movements, so it started recording and it
goes right to my phone when it lets me know
that there's someone in here, and I got a notification
there's a person in my barn, and it's daylight and
I don't see a person, but there is a shadow,
and the shadow moved across the desk, which is strange
because I don't know where the shadow would have moved from.
And then in the background there was a shirt that
I had hung up on the wall and you can
see it to start to move by itself. So I've
tried to say it was my air conditioner in the window. Oh,
that's kicked on, and maybe that's why it started to blow.
But at the same time, the air conditioner had been
on for months and it's never done that before. So
I never got a notification again, and I didn't. I
don't know where the why the shadow. The shadow is
the weird part for me, right, and then the shirt
moving after the shadow is what's weird. I was like, so,
if the air conditioners on, I can see that making
the shirt move, but I can't explain why it's never
done it again.
Speaker 1: Right, right, So that's yeah, it does kind of make
you think maybe got something. But you know, like I said, unfortunately, nowadays,
it's going to take more than a picture of a
video getting No, that's the you know, we don't even
take our camera with us when you know, if we're
leading investigation or something at our local museum. We don't
even we don't even take a camera with us anymore
because I've just never had any luck. And like I said,
you know, you know, back in the days when film
was it was the thing. You know, then you know,
if you got something in a picture, then you can
mind of question it a little bit harder than what
you can now.
Speaker 2: You know, for me, how the AI has taken prevalence
in the last three to four years, it is rampantly
evolved to where it's really hard to tell real from
fake it anymore. It's getting to know.
Speaker 1: I hate it just for that reason.
Speaker 2: I've been making funny videos like it's uh, it's it's me,
but it's not me. It's not my voice, but it's
my face, and like I'm being chased by a big
foot and I ran over a dog man. Like I've
been making stupid videos for like TikTok or whatever, and
that's all I've been doing with it because I think
it's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, if you're putting something out there
and people know it's it's fake and it's just it's
just meant to be funny. But that that's one thing.
But you know, so many people put that stuff out
there to try to fool someone. That's that's what aggravates me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I don't get. Like anyone that watches
what I've been posting there, they're going to know it's
just a joke because nothing looks real. But I've seen
some stuff out there that people have latantly been sharing
saying this is real, and I know it's not real
because I've seen it passed around before as Ai and
other people are saying it's not Ai, as like, I
know that's Ai. And I actually did a photo that
it looks very real, and I asked if anyone has
seen anything like this before. I didn't say it was
real or whatever, and people started taking that photo as
real and I was like, no, it's I had it generated.
That's completely fake. But they're trying to argue with me
that it was realized, Like, no, I'm the one that
did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, when we lead, you know, just
like a ghost tour or something through our museum, and
people will hear something and if I know what it is,
you know, I'll say, no, that's just whatever, And you know,
it's hard to convince some people that what they're hearing
is not real.
Speaker 2: Some people want to believe so bad that they will
believe anything just to satisfy that urge to believe.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, you know, And and the
stuff that I've seen, you know, I questioned that still yet,
you know, Okay, was you know when I saw my uncle?
Was I sleepwalking? I used to do that when I
was a kid. Was I sleepwalking and dreamt that I've
seen him? Or was he actually there? You know the
UFO thing, you know, I saw a light. Now was
it being manipulated by extraterresturials? I don't have any idea,
but it was acting really strange. And I was wide
awake because I was driving home from work, you know.
Speaker 2: And and you know.
Speaker 1: The length of time that that happened to me was
probably at least fifteen minutes that this thing was right
there where I could see it, because from the time
I seen it until the time it disappeared, it was
a good fifteen minutes for me to travel that many miles. Yeah,
but still, I can't say it was an alien craft.
Speaker 2: But it was keeping up pace along with you, right
in the same distance. So right, that kind of reminds
me of one of the episodes I did with a
lady that's local. She didn't see UFO, but she saw
something walking in the road that looked like a gray
alien for all.
Speaker 1: I listened to part of that podcast today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And no matter the speed that she was going,
it kept the same distance, And I was like, was
it like a bug on the wood shield or something
like that? But and then it just just goes off
the side and it disappears. And I've heard other people
talk about stuff like that too, that they would be
driving along and whatever this thing was always kept the
same pace with them, Right, So it makes you wonder
if it's like a reflection, like to try and like
look at it from a skeptical stance, like if it
wasn't a reflection, it wasn't a bug. I try and
rule out every possibility, and then you come back to, Okay, well,
well what the heck was it then? Because clearly, if
it's none of these things that can be explained, then
it's unexplainable. And that to me goes back to the
whole paranormal aspect because you can't really explain it at
that point.
Speaker 1: Right. And I've seen those videos you know where looks
like something walking like, I think particular one. I'm thinking
it's about Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, and these guys are driving down
the road and it looks like something walks across, but
if you look really close, you can tell it's where
a bug is hit the windshield, you know, and just
the camera angles and the way the guy was moving
in the car then made it look like it was,
you know, crossing the road in front of them. So
you know that those are the kinds of things. You
know that if I see something like that, I'm going
to look extra close and I'm going to replay it
several times and see, Okay, is that really happening what
I'm seeing or is there something else going on there?
Speaker 2: You know, That's what I've always hoped people would do,
and I've encouraged is to try and not rule everything
in the sense of it's all paranormal. I've went on
a couple of paranormal investigations and everything that happened to
the oh, this is paranormal, is parent I was like, no,
you have to rule everything out before you can claim
it's paranormal, right, because if you start seeing everything's paranormal,
then you have no credibility, right, so if you want
to prove a point to people, then you have to
look at it from a perspective of Okay, this is
not paranormal until you can't explain it right. Well, we've
been going on for a little over forty five minutes,
getting close to an hour. So is there anything else
you would like to discuss right now or if not,
we can probably start to wind this one down.
Speaker 1: Nothing I can think of.
Speaker 2: Well, it has been a pleasure talking to you. I'm
always happy to talk to a fellow Indiana person.
Speaker 1: Yep. Well, you know, I didn't know whether you'd done
these things in person, you know, at events or how
that worked until I sent you that email.
Speaker 2: So I last year I took this with me to record.
I have the ability to record in person, but with
the noise in the background the audio, it's very muddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I've always just tried to anymore like this year
when I've I've done like twelve different events so far already,
and I've just been given out the cards and telling
people if they want to reach out to me, sometimes
shoot me an email like you did.
Speaker 1: And yeah, what's been fun. I've enjoyed it, you know.
I just hope people don't think I'm too crazy.
Speaker 2: If they're listening to the show that at this point
it's getting close to two hundred and fifty episodes, so
I don't think they're gonna think you're crazy.
Speaker 1: But like I said, not that I really care anyway.
If I did, I wouldn't I wouldn't tell my stories.
But you know, I just think they're interesting. And you know,
I love to sit around and talk about this stuff.
I love to hear other people's experiences and you know,
and like to tell mine too.
Speaker 2: So that's part of the reason I do the show
is because I wanted to give an opportunity for everyone
that wanted to talk about things the place to do
it because sometimes for that very reason too, is you
can't talk about them everywhere beause people think you're crazy.
Speaker 1: Right right, But now it's been fun, you know, I
really enjoyed enjoyed it, so me too.
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure talking with you. But you have
a good night, all right, Thanks Brandon, huh, good night
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