WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:04.160 You're list Saints KFI AM six forty. The Bill Handles 2 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:06.679 show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:09.359 Our tech reporter is joining us, Mike. It's a pleasure 4 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:10.640 talking to you again. It's been a while since you 5 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:13.279 and I have connected, and I'm so glad that we 6 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:17.039 get to because of this Tech Tuesday, and I got 7 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:19.559 to find out what's going on with my Instagram. It 8 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:23.079 looks like we've got a lot of well trash littering 9 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:23.879 my insta feed. 10 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:26.239 Yeah. 11 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:30.800 So Meta is rolling out a new approach to content moderation, 12 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:33.960 and that might be kind of what you're seeing in 13 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:36.799 your feed, though at this point, Meta says that a 14 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:39.240 lot of this stuff is still in testing that you're 15 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:40.880 not actually going to see it if you're just kind 16 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:43.799 of a run of the mill Instagram or Facebook or 17 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.679 threads user. So what are we talking about here. We're 18 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:50.679 talking about specifically Community Notes. This is their name for 19 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.079 their new approach to content moderation. This is something that 20 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:57.399 was first previewed back in January when Mark Zuckerberg, the 21 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:01.679 CEO of Meta, announced that they're moving away from fact checkers. 22 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:04.840 Community Notes is kind of the thing that's designed to 23 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:07.480 take the place of those fact checkers. This is a 24 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.480 community based system, a bunch of volunteers from Facebook and 25 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:15.319 Instagram and threads. Users of those platforms are gathering together 26 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.439 to basically write notes that will appear next to certain 27 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.519 pieces of content on those platforms. And that content, you know, 28 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:27.959 is thought to be sort of misleading or controversial or 29 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:30.959 harmful in some way, and these notes are designed to 30 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:33.799 add a little bit more context to those posts. So 31 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:38.239 you can imagine election misinformation, misinformation related to public health, 32 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:41.159 that type of thing. That's the content that we're talking 33 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:44.079 about here. And they say that they're rolling this out 34 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:47.200 and testing starting today, but again they want to get 35 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:49.439 it right, they say, so it's probably not going to 36 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:51.879 start appearing in your feed at least for the next 37 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:52.599 few weeks or so. 38 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:57.599 Mike, I've seen this on x before. Twitter, they've got 39 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:01.400 something similar, like the community votes. How do they decide? 40 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:05.120 Because if there's something that is blatantly wrong, for instance, 41 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:07.959 say you've got a flat earther that posts something and 42 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.840 then people are going to say obviously that's wrong, They're 43 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:12.159 going to issue a community notes. 44 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:13.599 Deal. 45 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:16.719 There must be tens of thousands of people that are 46 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:18.919 trying to put a community note on somebody's post. How 47 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:20.960 do they pick which one they're going to go with? 48 00:02:21.080 --> 00:02:22.840 Is it the one that's the most popular, does it 49 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.520 get up votes of some sort? How do they know 50 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:28.919 which community note rides with that post. 51 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:33.039 It's a great question, and it's part of the system 52 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.479 that they're figuring out right now, part of the reason 53 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:37.560 that you're probably not going to see a community note 54 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:40.719 in the next week or two as they figure this out. 55 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:44.039 So you're right to mention X there they are, of course, 56 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:47.319 formerly Twitter, they have used a community notes system for 57 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:50.840 the past few years, and Meta is actually borrowing an 58 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:54.159 algorithm from them, an open source algorithm that X is 59 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:58.840 made available to other social media platforms. This algorithm gets 60 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:01.919 at exactly what you were describing there. How do we 61 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:05.360 evaluate the validity of a note, the helpfulness of a note? 62 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.639 This algorithm is designed to do that. Because metas drawn 63 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.800 from a wait list about two hundred thousand volunteers. There's 64 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:13.840 a lot of people, a lot of different opinions, a 65 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.360 lot of different perspectives, and they kind of have to 66 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:21.000 coalesce behind one common note to add to any given post. 67 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:24.599 That's kind of complicated. So Meta says they want these 68 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:27.719 volunteers to come from a range of backgrounds. They want 69 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:32.319 people who you know, disagree normally to agree on the 70 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:34.960 content of a note, and all of that is going 71 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.080 to be decided by this algorithm. So there's still a 72 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:40.800 little bit of technology at play. It's not a purely 73 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:45.159 you know, like human system at the end of the day, 74 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:48.439 but ultimately these notes are going to be written by humans. 75 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:52.919 The algorithm will just dictate kind of the people who 76 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:54.240 are able to contribute to. 77 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:55.479 Each specific note. 78 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:58.879 So that's their idea that they're using this algorithm to 79 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.400 kind of draw from a range of different ideas and perspectives. 80 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:05.199 It's all part of this broader effort from CEO Mark 81 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:10.039 Zuckerberg to make things a little bit less moderated on 82 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.439 their platforms. He says they're stepping away not just from 83 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:16.240 fact checking, but from moderating content in general, handing it 84 00:04:16.279 --> 00:04:19.560 a little bit more over to the communities on those platforms. 85 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.199 He says this is all part of an effort to 86 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:24.519 cut down on bias. He says this is a better 87 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:28.199 way to address bias on these platforms. He says the 88 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:32.279 old fact checking system made too many mistakes and overly 89 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:34.839 censored these platforms, and this is a better way to 90 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:35.079 do it. 91 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:40.199 I'm interested in this, Mike, because the philosophy geek in 92 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:45.720 me says, doesn't this doesn't this invite by doesn't this 93 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:47.000 invite group bias? 94 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:49.560 In Uh, it doesn't. 95 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:52.040 It isn't necessarily more accurate as much as it's it's 96 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:55.279 more of a democratic system where whatever the popular opinion 97 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.240 is will be considered the community. 98 00:04:57.759 --> 00:04:58.519 Note, I suppose. 99 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.480 But is that less is it less biased or are 100 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:03.319 we just playcating a different bias. 101 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:08.959 Yeah, it is popularity correct necessarily, and that's the sort 102 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:11.319 of that's a very philosophical question at the end of 103 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:15.000 the day. That is a problem with the community note system. 104 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:17.839 This is something that you've seen crop up on X before, 105 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.560 which is that these are kind of easy to game, 106 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:23.800 these community notes. You can imagine people who are volunteers here. 107 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:26.199 They can kind of get together and make sort of 108 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:29.319 a jokey note or a note that might not be 109 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:33.040 totally correct, but you know it agrees with their politics 110 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.720 or their viewpoint or whatever it happens to be. That 111 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:37.759 is a potential way to gain this system. 112 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:39.920 That's something that Meta is going to need to figure out. 113 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:44.279 In addition to that, there's also just a logistical problem here, right, 114 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:48.360 Things so viral very quickly on these platforms. Billions of 115 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.399 people use metas products, and many of them get their 116 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:55.399 news from these platforms. That means that the length of 117 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.639 time it takes for a note to go from being 118 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:00.759 thought of to something that you can actually see in 119 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.600 your feed, it's going to be really important if something 120 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:05.720 goes viral and is seen by a lot of people 121 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.000 before a note shows up. As people are as the 122 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.959 volunteers are trying to figure out specific wording or whether 123 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:14.199 a note is helpful or not, you know, the damage 124 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:16.319 might have already been done by the time that note 125 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.160 shows up, and that's another thing that they're going to 126 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.199 need to address as they continue to roll this out 127 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:20.600 over the. 128 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:22.199 Next few weeks or so. 129 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:25.160 For what it's worth, these notes aren't going to impact 130 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.800 the relative virality of any given post and the old 131 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.920 way of doing things in the fact checking system, you know, 132 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.560 a subject matter expert, a lawyer or political scientist, a doctor, 133 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:37.920 what have you would go in and say, yes, this 134 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.360 is definitively a piece of misinformation that could do harm. Right, 135 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:45.439 this is misinformation about the pandemic, for instance. Then Meta 136 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.040 would go in and down rank that piece of content, 137 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:50.319 they would allow it to not show up in as 138 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:53.000 many people's feeds in order to cut down on the 139 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:56.040 potential harm for it to do. Mark Sarthborg says they 140 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:59.199 overdid that, right, They over cranked that lever, and they 141 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:03.079 ended up with a biased system. These notes will not 142 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:06.000 impact the virality of any given post. Just because a 143 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:08.519 post has a note on it doesn't mean that it 144 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.480 won't go viral. That you might still see it. You'll 145 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:12.920 just see it with a note next to it. 146 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:17.560 Again, more popular means more eyeballs on it, and spreading 147 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.920 the misinformation is allowed, especially if you get more people 148 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:25.240 in their community and notes that spread their own biases. Interesting, like, 149 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.000 it's very it's very interesting. Mike Debusky is our ABC 150 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.480 News technology reporter. Mike, stick around for just a second. 151 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.759 I want to talk about I'm seeing some stuff about 152 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:38.920 Apple and people are mad at Apple for over promising 153 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.079 and under delivering. I want to talk about that, and 154 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:43.000 if you don't mind, I'll slide in some of the 155 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.079 astronaut news here when we come back as well. We'll 156 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:47.240 continue with Tech Tuesday. 157 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:52.000 You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM 158 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:52.560 six forty. 159 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:57.759 Joining me is Mike Debuski, our ABC News Technology reporter. 160 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.519 It is Tech Tuesday. Mike. 161 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.360 I'm very excited. I wanted to just share this audio briefly. 162 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.279 This is the This was the sound as our an 163 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:11.279 astronauts made their way away from the space station. All 164 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:16.839 hooks are open, open hookers and on doc and confirmed. 165 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:22.720 Freedom is free of its moorings. Freedom is free. Sonny 166 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.480 Williams and Butch Wilmore began a lot there. 167 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:30.079 It is on their way home from ABC. Uh So, Mike, 168 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:33.519 that's exciting. It's been months or something since they. 169 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:34.279 Were up there. 170 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:37.320 That's yes, I believe I'm writing saying that there. It's 171 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:40.879 the longest uh time that anyone has spent up there, 172 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:42.799 or at least a much longer than they planned. 173 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.919 Certainly they planned right, a little shy of the record. 174 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:48.240 I think the record is just over a year. But yeah, 175 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:49.840 they were supposed topt there for what a week? 176 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:53.000 And then yeah, that's these I understand it. It was 177 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:55.200 kind of just a routine mission and then you know, 178 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:56.279 one thing led to another and. 179 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:56.639 Here we are. 180 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.440 As a matter of fact, we spoke here at ABC 181 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:02.200 and Radio Department to one of the astronauts who was 182 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:05.000 supposed to be on that mission who ended up being 183 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:08.080 cut from it originally to go up and relieve those 184 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.519 astronauts who are up there, and that was in sort 185 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:12.720 of June of last year. 186 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:15.440 So, you know, good ed its decites that they've been. 187 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:17.440 Up there for a long time, but it's good to 188 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:18.240 know that they're coming home. 189 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.120 Yeah, Mike, I know that there was a bit of controversy. 190 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:21.320 I'm not going to put you on the spot on this. 191 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.320 I'm just going to wax here not so poetically for 192 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.679 a moment. There was a bit of controversy around that, 193 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:28.440 especially when we had a president that came out and 194 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.159 said Biden left them up there, just totally abandoned them, 195 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.399 ditched them in space there, left them up there. 196 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:36.679 Not exactly the case. 197 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.039 There's always a contingency plan if something goes awry, there 198 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:42.279 are supplies that are sent. 199 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:44.039 And there was another. 200 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:50.279 Mission that was planned to bring other astronauts back home 201 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.480 that had already been up there. So then the decision 202 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:54.600 had to be made, did we bring the other astronauts 203 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:58.360 back on schedule, or do we bring these astronauts back 204 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:00.360 and then leave those other ones up there that have 205 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:02.399 been up there already for a long period of time. 206 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:05.799 They decided, let's stay on schedule, We'll create another mission 207 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:08.960 to go get Butcher and Sonny. So that's what they 208 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:10.799 That's what they ended up doing. So it's part of 209 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:12.360 the reason that they were up there that long, is it. 210 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:14.879 That was the decision that was made. It wasn't anybody 211 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:16.000 about He's on the bus. 212 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:17.639 At the end of the day, it seems like. 213 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.200 In the spacecraft, that's exactly right. 214 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:23.279 Maybe what we need to come up with this is 215 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:26.000 an extra long space craft, like like we have the 216 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.559 Suburban Excels or something. 217 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:29.039 Right exactly. 218 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:32.879 Yeah, So I'm seeing a lot of stories that pop 219 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:33.759 up on my homepage. 220 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:35.200 You talk about Apple. 221 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:38.799 Kind of losing track of the narrative here when it 222 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:43.679 comes to their Apple Intelligence. And I got an iPhone sixteen. 223 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.600 It is my first new phone in six years or so, 224 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.240 so I held off. This is supposed to have Apple Intelligence, 225 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:51.440 This is supposed to be the hot new thing, and 226 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:53.399 there seemed to be a lot of delays in rolling 227 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:55.519 this out, at least the full version of it. 228 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:58.799 Yeah, that is absolutely the case, and it's expected to 229 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.480 be the major topic of discussion at a pretty high 230 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.000 profile meeting of Apple executives this week. This is their 231 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.879 top one hundred meeting, Their top one hundred executives at 232 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.120 the company meet at an off site location. We don't 233 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:11.960 really know where, but. 234 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:13.039 It's expected to be very. 235 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:17.559 Fancy and presumably very minimalist and glamorous in the Apple fashion. 236 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.080 And this is a tradition at Apple that has stretched 237 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.639 back to the Steve Jobs era, and it's generally meant 238 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.600 to get all the sort of leading lights at the 239 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:31.080 company together so they can discuss the future of Apple, 240 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.519 this hugely prominent and hugely valuable company. Big topic of 241 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:37.399 discussion is expected to be Apple Intelligence and their continued 242 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.039 struggles with that technology. As a refresher, Apple Intelligence was 243 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:45.559 first introduced last year at their WWDC Developer conference in 244 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:51.000 the springtime. They promised a lot with regards to that technology, 245 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:54.679 that these new AI features were going to reshape how 246 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.879 we interact with our phones and our tablets and our laptops. Well, 247 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:01.320 almost a year later, a lot of those features have 248 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.039 not yet come to fruition, and that is raising some 249 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:09.279 major eyebrows at Apple. Bloomberg was the first to report 250 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.399 that kind of the big headline feature of Apple Intelligence, 251 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:16.000 which was this AI infused version of theory, This big 252 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:19.440 revamp of their Voice assistant, which had kind of fallen 253 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:23.720 behind competitors in the space. That is delayed, and Apple 254 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:26.919 actually confirmed last week that AI theory does not have 255 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.039 a firm release date. They just say it will be 256 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:32.200 out sometime within the next year. That was all over 257 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:35.320 the marketing for a lot of Apple intelligence features. This 258 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.720 sort of reason to upgrade your phone or upgrade your 259 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.799 device was to get access to this thing that now 260 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:44.840 we don't know when it's going to come out. This 261 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:49.080 really appears to underline this tension between Apple, their AI team, 262 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.600 specifically the people who are building the technology, and the 263 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:57.080 marketing department. Right the technology is still imperfect. We talk 264 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:59.399 about this all the time with generative AI. It makes 265 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:03.080 things up, makes mistakes, it hallucinates. That's not something that 266 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:07.200 Apple once associated with its three trillion dollar brand, and 267 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:09.559 I think that's why you're seeing the slow rollout of 268 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.559 this technology. Clearly the marketing department didn't really get that memo, 269 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:15.840 because that was a big part of the argument for 270 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.320 upgrading to the iPhone sixteen, which, as you outlined at 271 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:21.399 the beginning here, still doesn't have a lot of these 272 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:22.080 key features. 273 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.320 Yeah, it seems like Apple is one of these companies 274 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:25.120 that is a little bit. 275 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:29.320 So they allow for Samsung for the Android phones, for 276 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.279 the Google phones, to introduce some other tech, and then 277 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:36.639 Apple comes in later and really tries to offer a 278 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:38.879 more perfect version of that tech. We've seen this play 279 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:41.480 out in the past, but it seems with this AI 280 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:47.799 they are they're over promising and under delivering in all regards. 281 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:50.519 What are they going to provide that could potentially be 282 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:53.240 anything better than we're seeing from what is a Gemini? 283 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:57.600 What is the The Google is Gemini and Samsung is 284 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:02.159 Galaxy AI. Yeah, and you're absolutely right that Apple is 285 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.960 rarely the first to the party, or at least modern 286 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:08.799 tim cook. Apple is rarely the first, you know, in 287 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:11.399 a given market segment. They like to sit back, They 288 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.679 like to watch everyone else try something, fail, maybe learn 289 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.080 from those mistakes, and then they arrive kind of late 290 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:21.120 to the party, but with a really polished product. That 291 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:24.000 seemed to be the approach they were taking with Apple Intelligence. 292 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.039 Google and Samsung both beat them to market with quote 293 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:32.519 unquote AI phones. However, there's the larger context here, which 294 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:36.919 is that the impetus is on Apple to innovate. Right, 295 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:40.600 the iPhone has not changed in several years. Neither has 296 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:45.879 the Google Pixel, neither has the Samsung Galaxy S series phones. Right, 297 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:49.159 they are updated every year, but not in a radical way. 298 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:51.240 You mentioned at the off that you haven't updated your 299 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.039 phone in six years, and I think a large part 300 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.440 of that is because these phones don't really change radically 301 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:00.080 from year to year. Maybe every couple of years there 302 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:02.960 is a big upgrade, but you know, beyond that, it's 303 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:06.440 tough to get people excited about the smartphone market, in 304 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:08.519 large part because these phones are pretty good at what 305 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:10.679 they're intending to do. They all connect to the internet, 306 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:14.440 make phone calls, good cameras and so on. So AI 307 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.240 kind of came along as this potential game changer, right, 308 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.000 is this thing to get people excited about the market again, 309 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:24.240 get people to upgrade their phones. But as we've been saying, 310 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:28.200 the technology is still imperfect. It's still not quite there yet. 311 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:30.799 And I think that's also the pitfall that you're seeing 312 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.399 Apple fall into. They wanted this to be the thing 313 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.519 that got people excited about upgrading their phones every year, 314 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:40.039 but it just doesn't quite measure up to their standards 315 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:42.039 of very polished technology. 316 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:46.639 Mike Debuski, our ABC News technology reporter, on a Tech Tuesday. Mike, 317 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:49.039 great catching up with you man, Really appreciate I always 318 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:50.000 let's talk with you. 319 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:52.399 Yeah, happy to do it. Take care, Verry good. 320 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:55.399 Mike Debusky, ABC News pleasure. Can't wait until the next 321 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.639 time we get a chance to talk with Mike. Is 322 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.799 it possible that all the can conspiracy theorist were right? 323 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:04.360 And if we don't have. 324 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.000 Evidence that they were right, does that mean that the 325 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.759 conspiracy runs deeper than we ever thought it did. 326 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:15.840 We'll find out because we could be getting the truth, 327 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:18.840 the whole truth, and not all the truth. What next? 328 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:23.519 You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM 329 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:24.080 six forty. 330 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:26.759 Last time when he said it, he meant it, but 331 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:29.519 then they redacted a bunch of stuff. Very very bad, 332 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.559 very bad people redacting a lot of things. He now says, 333 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:36.080 there's a lot in here. I haven't read them all, 334 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.840 but they're very interesting. I haven't read it, but it's 335 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:42.320 very interesting. This is sort of like me giving a 336 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:45.679 book report on Little Women. I know it's a classic, 337 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:48.480 never read it, probably not going to tell you how 338 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:49.200 interesting it is. 339 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.399 Very interesting, very good read. 340 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.679 The President said there's about eighty thousand pages that are 341 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:57.879 going to be released that's. 342 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:01.000 A very very lot of pages. 343 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:04.279 Most people have never even heard of that many pages. 344 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.599 It's like a very big book. It's bigger than a dictionary. 345 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:11.880 Nobody's ever seen anything like that before. It's like it's 346 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.160 like all the Harry Potter books. Is even bigger than 347 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:19.319 Harry Potter. It's like Encyclopedia Britannica. I had the Encyclopedia Britannica. 348 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:21.799 I had all the volumes except for Q. It was 349 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:22.480 very small. 350 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.720 Nobody needed Q. There's nothing in the Q volume at all. 351 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:29.759 It's the worst of all the volumes. But you're gonna 352 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:34.200 love this. Gonna be unredacted. There's gonna be no redactions, 353 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:39.759 very few redactions, probably no reactions. I was thinking about redacting, 354 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:43.359 but I'm not redacting. Haven't read it, but it's unreducted. 355 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:48.680 That's what we can expect, according to uh, the President. 356 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.519 I guess, So what are we going to learn? Are 357 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:55.440 we going to figure out that there were actually other 358 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:58.839 gunmen on the Grassy Knoll? Are we gonna find out 359 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:01.680 that CBE was behind it the whole time, that this 360 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:05.400 was all part of Castro's plan? Are we going to 361 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.880 find out that the CIA was in on it? That's 362 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.759 a good question. So I turned to News Nation, who 363 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:16.039 was talking about the potential for JFK conspiracies coming to light. 364 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:19.359 Joining me, now, I have Phil sheenan investigative journalist and 365 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:22.920 author of a cruel and shocking act, The Secret History 366 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.400 of the Kennedy Assassination. Phil, good morning to you, I mean, 367 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:28.759 as some of those who has dedicated his career to 368 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:34.400 Kennedy's assassination. Your hopes and expectations for today, sir, I 369 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:35.000 look good. 370 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:36.079 We really have no idea. 371 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:39.079 This seems to have caught everybody by surprise yesterday. 372 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.119 The guy who is the one of the leading experts 373 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:43.480 has no idea what to expect. 374 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:48.119 That's great. This could be a total surprise, could be 375 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:48.799 a total dud. 376 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.960 Eighty thousand documents. I really don't even know what that 377 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:55.160 refers to. We've previously been told that about thirty four 378 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.400 hundred documents were held back. Now these may be documents 379 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:02.000 related not to JFK, to his brother RFK, or to 380 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:04.799 Martin Luther King. But there's a great mystery about what 381 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:06.759 this is and when it will be released. 382 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:08.440 Yeah, and it was also fascinating. 383 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:10.319 Yeah, but he said the Kennedy files, So are they 384 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:13.839 just rolling it all into like all Kennedy's. We got 385 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:17.200 to find out that Joe Kennedy had the business dealings 386 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:20.319 overseas too, or this is not about JFK? Is this 387 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:21.200 about all Kennedy's. 388 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:24.000 Yesterday when we heard the President say he's going to 389 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:27.359 leave these eighty thousand pages unredacted. 390 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:32.240 Actually the headline from the New York Times is Trump 391 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:38.319 promises again to release all Kennedy assassination files. Maybe they 392 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:42.599 do mean more than just JFK. Yeah, more than one 393 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:43.799 Kennedy assassinated. 394 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:46.319 Ask them to be untouched. Do you think we walk 395 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:49.519 away with anything new and earth shattering? 396 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.160 You know, I doubt it in the sense that you 397 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:56.440 know these We've had these releases periodically since President Trump's 398 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:58.359 first term, and most of them have turned out to 399 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.720 be pretty unrevealing. You know, there's certain names and addresses 400 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.519 we hadn't seen before. I don't think anything in these 401 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:08.799