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<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, it's the pumpkin on your porch that is

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<v Speaker 1>happy to coexist with your twinkly holiday lights. Ali ward

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<v Speaker 1>back with a perfect episode of smologies. Oh man, cat

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<v Speaker 1>puns already started. Good luck with this, so smologies what

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<v Speaker 1>is that? So we just launched these Smologies episodes that

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<v Speaker 1>boil down some of our favorite ologies classics, condensing them

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<v Speaker 1>to around twenty minutes, and of course we nerf some

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<v Speaker 1>of the edges to make them g rated and classroom friendly,

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<v Speaker 1>perfect for schools and car rides or walks with your

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<v Speaker 1>grandpa or dog or cat. Apparently we don't judge here,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you're looking for the full length and full

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<v Speaker 1>strength with deeper info and more swear words, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>link to the original Pilinology episode. It is not safe

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<v Speaker 1>for kids, but it is linked in the show nuts below. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but smologies, yes, this one is kid safe. Felinology here

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<v Speaker 1>we go. It comes from the Latin for cat felis,

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<v Speaker 1>and I started to go down this whole rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess catacom really whether or not felicity like felis

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<v Speaker 1>and happiness and feline if they shared an etymology? And

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<v Speaker 1>guess what from what? I found they don't at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but now you don't have to google it. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>felis for cat different background than felix for happy. So

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<v Speaker 1>today's ologist is a cat behavior expert who received her

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<v Speaker 1>PhD and psychology with an emphasis in animal behavior and

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<v Speaker 1>cognition from the University of California at Berkeley. Then after

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<v Speaker 1>her post doc work in animal behavior at UC Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>she went on to become a Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist

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<v Speaker 1>from the Animal Behavior Society and a Certified Cat Behavior

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<v Speaker 1>Consultant from the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants and

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<v Speaker 1>an affiliate member of the American Veterinary Society of Animal

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<v Speaker 1>Behavior and if that's not enough, If that's not enough,

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<v Speaker 1>cat cred. She's also the resident feline behavior expert for

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<v Speaker 1>both the apps Rover and Smalls. She even wrote the

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<v Speaker 1>book on cats. She co authored Total Cat Mojo, The

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<v Speaker 1>Ultimate Guide to Live With Your Cat with your other

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<v Speaker 1>favorite cat expert, Jackson Galaxy. So in this episode we

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<v Speaker 1>cover a lot of ground including why cats love boxes,

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<v Speaker 1>why they make biscuits, why they grace us with the

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<v Speaker 1>hum of their happy purring, also proper litter hygiene, how

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<v Speaker 1>to tell if your cat is felis or not so

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<v Speaker 1>felis and bummed out?

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<v Speaker 2>And how much.

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<v Speaker 1>Eye contact you should make with your kiddie, also pray

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<v Speaker 1>versus predator instincts and how to up your game when

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<v Speaker 1>playing with your cats, and so much more. Oh and

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<v Speaker 1>something else I learned during this episode. A group of

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<v Speaker 1>cats can be referred to as a clouder or better yet,

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<v Speaker 1>a glaring who knew fur real though I just assumed

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<v Speaker 1>that they ran impacts either way, more information to win

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<v Speaker 1>friends and influence people. So please give a pawesome welcome

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<v Speaker 1>and listen up right now to cat. You're a specialist

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<v Speaker 1>and philinologist doctor Michael delgadology.

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<v Speaker 3>Sology.

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<v Speaker 1>To start off our discussion, I wanted to know about

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<v Speaker 1>the reputation of cats being solo creatures. Are they too

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<v Speaker 1>cool for friends? Is this true for cats in the wild?

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<v Speaker 1>Where does it come from?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 1>Are cats more of a lone wolf than wolves? So?

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<v Speaker 2>I think cats kind of have this reputation for being solitary,

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<v Speaker 2>And what they are is they're solitary hunters, so they

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<v Speaker 2>don't need other animals to survive, right. They hunt very

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<v Speaker 2>small prey that they can catch on their own, and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't share it. Which is different from larger animals

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<v Speaker 2>that hunt and capture large animals. And so I think

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<v Speaker 2>because of that, cat's got this reputation for being asocial

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<v Speaker 2>where they don't need anybody, and we know that their

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<v Speaker 2>social lives are definitely more complicated than that. Cats will

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<v Speaker 2>form what we call preferred associates where they have certain

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<v Speaker 2>cats that they like to hang out with, and some

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<v Speaker 2>signs of them being friends would be they groom each other,

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<v Speaker 2>they sleep together, like touching, or what we call pillowing

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<v Speaker 2>where they're actually using another cat as a pillow. You

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<v Speaker 2>might see playful behavior, and in general, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't see a lot of science of antagonism, although

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say, just like you know, we don't get along

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<v Speaker 2>with our siblings one hundred percent of the time, you

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<v Speaker 2>might see the occasional tip. So they have clicks they do,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll see if you have a group of cats

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<v Speaker 2>that you you know, say, if you live with five cats,

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<v Speaker 2>you might have two cats that get along with each

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<v Speaker 2>other and not with anyone else, and the other three

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<v Speaker 2>cats could be composed of, you know, one cat who

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get along with anybody and another pair who get along,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe there's one cat who gets along with everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>But the rest of the cats don't really like each other,

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<v Speaker 2>so it can be very complicated. What we do see

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<v Speaker 2>is that cat groups are most successful when they have

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<v Speaker 2>enough resources. So you'll see colonies that exist because there's

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<v Speaker 2>either plenty of prey around or there's human supplied food,

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<v Speaker 2>So there has to be enough to go around basically

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<v Speaker 2>for them to tolerate each other and then have the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to become friends. But yeah, if you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>enough resources, either in your home or outside, or there's

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<v Speaker 2>too much competition they have to do too much sharing

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<v Speaker 2>of those resources, then they tend to either have antagonistic

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<v Speaker 2>interactions or they'll just avoid each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that makes sense. We all have friends that we

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<v Speaker 1>like to hang out with more than others, but are

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<v Speaker 1>we friends with our cats? Do our cats love us

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<v Speaker 1>as much as we love them or do they just

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<v Speaker 1>like the shelter and the chopped up fish pudding that

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<v Speaker 1>we provide.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know that cats are really territorial and so

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<v Speaker 2>what's more important to them than anything is the familiarity

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<v Speaker 2>of where they live. So even before they'll form attachments

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<v Speaker 2>with people, they need to feel comfortable in their space

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<v Speaker 2>and it's almost like we're part of the territory, especially

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<v Speaker 2>because most cats live inside and so this is where

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<v Speaker 2>they live, right, and we're just part of their space.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not like we're separate from it. We're part

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And that's what their primary attachment is as

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<v Speaker 2>to their territory.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do have a question about how they are

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<v Speaker 1>able to land so well, did you ever have to

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<v Speaker 1>study their landing capabilities?

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<v Speaker 2>No, but you know they do. You have this amazing well,

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<v Speaker 2>an amazingly flexible body. Basically they have no collarbone.

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<v Speaker 1>Well they have collarbones or clavicles, but they aren't attached

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<v Speaker 1>to other bones like other animals or ours. Okay, well, why.

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<v Speaker 2>That allows them to like if their head can get through,

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<v Speaker 2>if their faces through, like under a door, they can

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<v Speaker 2>just squeeze right through, which is why you shouldn't leave

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<v Speaker 2>your window open just an inch thinking your cat won't

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<v Speaker 2>get out. Wow, So they have, you know, this amazing

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<v Speaker 2>sense of balance. I mean, you know they have to

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<v Speaker 2>catch trees, they have to be able to calculate distance

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<v Speaker 2>when they hunt, and be able to pounce right where

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<v Speaker 2>they think they are. They have that amazing tail that

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<v Speaker 2>helps them right themselves. So a tail is a good

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<v Speaker 2>way to orient your body like. It's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>control to allow you to write yourself. What's interesting is

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<v Speaker 2>that there's something called high rise syndrome where cats who

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<v Speaker 2>fall from a higher distance often experience fewer injuries than

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<v Speaker 2>cats that fall from a shorter distance.

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<v Speaker 1>So they have time in the air to go who yeah, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably not a lot of time, but enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and now you have a cat. Let's say someone

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<v Speaker 1>has a cat, right, how do they know if their

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<v Speaker 1>cat is happy, is sad, is bummed out? Needs something?

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<v Speaker 1>What body language markers are so important to know if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a cat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so first of all, is your cat doing the basics?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they eating, using the litter box? And are they,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, using their space. So a cat who's spending

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<v Speaker 2>all their time under your bed probably not happy. A

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<v Speaker 2>cat who is freely walking through the space probably more relaxed.

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<v Speaker 2>Specific body language we're interested in. So for cats, when

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<v Speaker 2>they're feeling friendly, they'll do what we call the tail

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<v Speaker 2>up gesture. So this is a friendly greeting and the

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<v Speaker 2>tail is completely up. Maybe less like question mark, but

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<v Speaker 2>that is something you'll see cats when they approach either

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<v Speaker 2>a friendly human or a friendly other cat, they will

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<v Speaker 2>be exhibiting that body language. You can also see when

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<v Speaker 2>they're laying down, they should be either on their side

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes like or pause tucked, which tells you they're not

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<v Speaker 2>kind of gearing to run away. Cat who is feeling

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<v Speaker 2>defensive or unsure is going to be kind of crouched

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<v Speaker 2>in a tense position where they could easily just take

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<v Speaker 2>off if they needed to, as opposed to I'm laying

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<v Speaker 2>down and just kind of melting in the sun over here. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not feeling any threat. And there are more subtle things,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, are the pupils relaxed and somewhat dilated?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, of course according to the lightning in the room,

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<v Speaker 2>are the ears up? Ears up? Is more relaxed, can

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<v Speaker 2>be alert as well, but you know, certainly flattened ears

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<v Speaker 2>are a sign of a cat who's making themselves smaller.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you'll see things that cats when they're fearful,

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<v Speaker 2>aside from hiding, would be like tucking their tail, putting

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<v Speaker 2>their ears back, hunching, so they're trying to again make

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<v Speaker 2>themselves seem smaller. A cat who is on the offensive

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<v Speaker 2>might be trying to make themselves look bigger. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the classic Halloween pose. They're kind of puffed up,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll see that more reserved for fighting with other animals,

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<v Speaker 2>where they're trying to bluff like I'm big and scary.

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<v Speaker 2>You shouldn't fight with me. Because for cats in a home,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really more about, like I said, using the space

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<v Speaker 2>doing their normal kitty things. I mean, purring's great. Eye

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<v Speaker 2>blinking is a sign of relaxation and a sign of trust.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know that staring is threatening to most animals,

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<v Speaker 2>So you shouldn't stare at your cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, don't make loving eye contact with your cat

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<v Speaker 1>for too long.

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<v Speaker 2>Eye contacts fine, but make it soft and blink your

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<v Speaker 2>eyes a lot as opposed to hard stare. Like a

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<v Speaker 2>hard stare is what is threatening for them, and you'll

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<v Speaker 2>see cats that don't get along. We'll avoid direct eye

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<v Speaker 2>contact or the one cat will be staring you down

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<v Speaker 2>or staring the other cat down like I've got my

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<v Speaker 2>eyes on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so eye contact is very important. Cats may be

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<v Speaker 2>fearful of particular people in the house, so like toddlers,

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<v Speaker 2>can be difficult for cats, to cope with. But it

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<v Speaker 2>really depends on the context and the cat's ability to

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<v Speaker 2>escape and deal with the stressor in their environment. So

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<v Speaker 2>a cat who has a cat tree or a shelving

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<v Speaker 2>and can get up high away from a dog or

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<v Speaker 2>a toddler is going to be able to cope with

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<v Speaker 2>that situation much better than a cat who doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>those escape routes.

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<v Speaker 1>So, if you're listening to this in a traffic jam

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<v Speaker 1>in a parking lot doing some last minute holiday shopping,

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<v Speaker 1>just know, cats, just like us, could get stressed out,

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<v Speaker 1>and they also want to beam themselves somewhere pretty to

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<v Speaker 1>chill out for a bit, Like a cat tree or

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<v Speaker 1>a shelf is their version of Tahiti or a spa day. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say you want to get close to a kiddy.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Delgado has some advice. What do you do when

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<v Speaker 1>you walk into someone's house house cat? How can you

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<v Speaker 1>not look at it. What should you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? So the opposite of a dog, because a dog

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<v Speaker 2>For cats? Yeah you. So research has shown that they

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<v Speaker 2>longer interaction. It's going to be more positive. Oh my god. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is pretty funny. So what I would recommend if

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay. So being friends with a cat means letting

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<v Speaker 1>them take the wheel. It's all on their terms, which

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<v Speaker 1>is fine because they have sharper teeth in us. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say that we have a cat and we're

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the first thing is embrace that your house

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it really drives me crazy when people say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>with a cat. Well, why do you have forecats? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but you need to have a litter box,

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<v Speaker 2>You need to create space for your cat. And a

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<v Speaker 2>so you're not going to sit on his cat tree,

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<v Speaker 2>So give him a cat tree. And so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's definitely critical for a few reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. One is that we're increasingly living in urban

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<v Speaker 2>spaces that are small, and we want to have multiple cats,

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<v Speaker 2>smaller spaces. So going vertical is a great way to

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<v Speaker 2>add to your square footage as far as the cats

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<v Speaker 2>are concerned. You can have two cats literally on top

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<v Speaker 2>of each other on a cat tree. They're sharing the

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<v Speaker 2>So I think, you know, making it useful as well,

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<v Speaker 2>like don't stick the cat tree in the back corner

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<v Speaker 2>where they can't look at anything, like put it by

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<v Speaker 2>a sunny spot, like, make it something that's appealing to them.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing that I definitely recommend for making your

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<v Speaker 1>So this is why cats are such heat bongers. Cats

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<v Speaker 1>prefer warmth, and if you want to get them to

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<v Speaker 1>stop trying to sit on your laptop as you finish

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<v Speaker 1>your homework. Ask if you can get your kitty a

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<v Speaker 1>heating pad. They will be on Cloud nine lives. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so what about you, though, I asked her advice for

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with feline fragrances aka the smell of the litter box.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you cultivate the best litter box scenario and

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<v Speaker 1>also have your house not smell like a litter box.

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<v Speaker 1>Your house does not smell like a litter box.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that I clean the box daily. And just

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<v Speaker 2>for the record, there's a litter box around the corn.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh see, so you can smell it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a litter box in my living room. I

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<v Speaker 2>practice what I preach. I have three litter boxes in

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<v Speaker 2>my relatively small house for my one cat. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's kind of some basic rules for litter boxes, like

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<v Speaker 1>You get a letter box, you get a litter box,

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<v Speaker 2>More is even better. So if you have two cats,

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<v Speaker 2>three boxes would be ideal. Keep them clean and so

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons I don't recommend covered litter boxes is,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's up for debate whether or not cats

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<v Speaker 2>don't like the cover or not. I mean, the cover

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<v Speaker 2>definitely limits their ability to move around and find a

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<v Speaker 2>clean corner and feel comfortable. But it also means that

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<v Speaker 2>the owner is not cleaning the box as often. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's actually research that showed that cats with litterbox problems

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<v Speaker 2>with covered boxes the owners were cleaning the box around

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<v Speaker 2>every five days.

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<v Speaker 1>Yikes. So the scoop is scoop. It make it part

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<v Speaker 1>of your daily routine, like getting the mail or doing

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<v Speaker 1>the dishes if you and your cat want to be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the poopy truth. So what is not true? Though?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think the biggest myth about cats is?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the biggest whim flam you'd debunk?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see, Well, I think you know. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>can't be trained. So a lot of people don't realize

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<v Speaker 2>that you can change their behavior. One of the more

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<v Speaker 2>common reasons that we get called to help people is

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<v Speaker 2>that their cat is, for example, waking them up at

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<v Speaker 2>three in the morning for food or to be let out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually a relatively easy behavior to fix compared to

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<v Speaker 2>things like cats fighting. And some of it is training

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<v Speaker 2>and training your cat when to expect attention, when to

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<v Speaker 2>expect food, and a lot of people inadvertently train their

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<v Speaker 2>cats to wake them up. So's it's actually that they're

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<v Speaker 2>reinforcing the behavior, because typically when a cat is walking

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<v Speaker 2>on someone's head at four in the morning or mewing

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<v Speaker 2>for food, the person gets up and puts food down,

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<v Speaker 2>and so in the short term that's the quickest way

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<v Speaker 2>to fix the problem, but in the long term that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually training the cat that well, if you just persist

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<v Speaker 2>long enough, your human will get up and give you

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<v Speaker 2>what you want, whether it's food or petting, attention. Same

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<v Speaker 2>thing with cats that like get up on counters. Typically

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<v Speaker 2>people like go and chase the cat down, or pick

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<v Speaker 2>them up and put them on the floor. A cat

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<v Speaker 2>jumps right back up, person picks them up, puts them

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor again. Well, guess who's having the time

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<v Speaker 2>of his life? The cat? He loves it. It's a game.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, is that why they knock things off shelves?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, a good clue is whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not it happens when you're home or not. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're at work and your cat does not knock

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<v Speaker 2>things off your shelves, they only do it when you're home.

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<v Speaker 2>They're doing it for attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, never forget your cat is a furry little poulter

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<v Speaker 1>geist who loves you and wants your attention. Now, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of attention, remember I mentioned that Michael has written papers

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<v Speaker 1>on what kind of playtime is the best for cats?

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<v Speaker 1>So what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Its doku? Is it having them jog behind you outside

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<v Speaker 1>chasing a feather OneD attached to your fanny pack? Probably

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<v Speaker 2>Cats, A lot of play should be really more about

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<v Speaker 2>the calculating their their final pounds and not just like

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<v Speaker 2>running around chasing the feather wand but stalking it and

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<v Speaker 2>watching it while you move it very slowly. Maybe you're

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<v Speaker 2>acting like a wounded bird or like you know, hiding

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<v Speaker 2>behind a piece of furniture and shaking like you're terrified,

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<v Speaker 2>and then whooh, you swoop out, and that's your cat's

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<v Speaker 2>moment to pounce and kill.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that is what stimulates their brains and their muscles.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and their body is really tuned into hunting, so

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<v Speaker 2>their eyes are you know, designed for hunting in for example,

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<v Speaker 2>lower light conditions and to detect horizontal movement that's about

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<v Speaker 2>three meters away from them, so up close their vision

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<v Speaker 2>is really terrible. So when you're holding your cat and

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<v Speaker 2>like all levy eyes with them, you are just a blur. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but they can probably smell you very well, and so

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<v Speaker 2>that's probably what they're most in tune with when they're

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<v Speaker 2>that close to you. And are they nocturnal? No? No, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>they're crepuscular. Crepuscular. Oh, so they're active at down and dusk,

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<v Speaker 2>which is when their prey is most active. Now, cats

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<v Speaker 2>that are not given enough to do during the day,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say are going to be what people would

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<v Speaker 2>consider nocturnal because you haven't really taken advantage of their

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<v Speaker 2>idea your cat's keeping you up all night, it's because

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<v Speaker 2>they're sleeping all day. And so a great time to

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<v Speaker 2>engage your cat and play would be at down and

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<v Speaker 2>dusk because that's kind of their natural rhythm to be

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<v Speaker 2>active and certainly throughout the day. It's good to keep

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<v Speaker 2>them moving, stimulated, not just snoozing all day, and then

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<v Speaker 2>play with them at nighttime before you go to bed,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe give them a snack before bedtime and that will

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<v Speaker 2>help them sleep more soundly through the night.

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<v Speaker 1>Onto our Lightning round and your Patreon questions. But first,

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<v Speaker 1>to the sponsors of the show for making the donation possible. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>your cat questions and let me tell you you folks

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<v Speaker 1>were not kitten around. I can't stop, I won't stop.

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<v Speaker 1>I had several people ask this question, Kelly Windsor, Andrea Motyka,

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know essentially about biscuits. Why do cats need

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<v Speaker 1>their lap or their bed? What are they doing when

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<v Speaker 1>they're making biscuits?

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to get milk out of you?

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<v Speaker 1>What are they But if they are adults, are they

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<v Speaker 2>So you know one thing that has possibly happened through domestication,

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<v Speaker 2>which is typical that we select for juvenile traits, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so we keep our animals somewhat stuck did like emotionally,

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<v Speaker 2>developmentally through domestication. And honestly, I don't know if like

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<v Speaker 2>lions and tigers make biscuits.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. Actually I need to find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick aside, do tigers make biscuits? So I found an

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<v Speaker 1>Cat Rescue in Tampa, Florida, and she says, yep, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't purr. According to an article by the Library

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<v Speaker 1>of Congress, lions, leopards, jaguars, tigers, snow leopards do not

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<v Speaker 1>exhibit true purring. They can make a peer like sound.

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<v Speaker 1>But wildcats like bobcats and cheetahs, Eurasian links, pumas and

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<v Speaker 1>wildcats they purr. But let's get back to biscuits.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, the kneading or you know biscuits, muffins,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you like to call it, is how kittens get

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<v Speaker 2>milk from mom. It's adorable when you see them doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're needing the mammary glands to get milk out,

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<v Speaker 2>and so for some animals they stop engaging in juvenile

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<v Speaker 2>behaviors and others continue throughout their life, and it tends

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<v Speaker 2>to be at times where they're happy, right, and so

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<v Speaker 2>time with mom is a very happy time. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of oxytocin flowing, there's a lot of purring going on,

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<v Speaker 2>which we believe stimulates oxytocin, and so, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>always just say they're kind of in the mommy zone

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<v Speaker 2>when they're nursing, and so they might be trying to

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<v Speaker 2>comfort themselves, or they might just be very very happy.

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<v Speaker 1>They might just like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if it bothers I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people it bothers them because mostly because it hurts if

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<v Speaker 2>their kitty's nails are sharp. And so either you know,

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<v Speaker 2>trim your cat's nails or get a nice like fuzzy

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<v Speaker 2>blanket to put on your lap when your cat does it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it won't make its way to your legs.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, answers on the old biscuit making process. It all

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense now. But along with many of you, I

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<v Speaker 1>had to know about the connection between cats and sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in boxes. I mean, there is a reason why it's

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<v Speaker 1>not called Schrodinger's Hamster. Cats love boxes. Katie Cobb and

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Ogden both want to know why do cats love

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in boxes? What is it with their boxes?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it gets back to the predator and prey

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<v Speaker 2>like they need like a safe blind where basically they

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<v Speaker 2>can like spy on the world without being detected. So

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<v Speaker 2>it gives them a sense of security as far as

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<v Speaker 2>we can tell. Cats typically you know, for example, hunt

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<v Speaker 2>behind you know they're going to be hiding in a

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<v Speaker 2>shrub or like behind some grasses, and so it gives

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<v Speaker 2>them some protection, offers heat, which is always a bonus.

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<v Speaker 2>Smaller than boxes, more heat, it's gonna conduct right Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So and we also know that actually there was a

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<v Speaker 2>study that showed that cats that gut boxes in animal

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<v Speaker 2>shelters were less stressed out than cats who did not.

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<v Speaker 2>So so boxes can be a real place of security

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<v Speaker 2>for cats.

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<v Speaker 1>So it all comes down to hunting instincts and just

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<v Speaker 1>feeling secure. And I get that also. Yes, tigers and

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<v Speaker 1>lions and other giant cats at sanctuaries they hang out

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<v Speaker 1>in boxes. It's true, just real big ones. How many

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<v Speaker 1>videos did I watch to prove this one? I got

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<v Speaker 1>my answer for this aside, and I should have closed

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<v Speaker 1>the tab, but then I continued watching at least eight

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<v Speaker 1>more large cats playing in large boxes, just wasting some

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<v Speaker 1>quality American time on the internet. Oh inside note, having

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<v Speaker 1>kitty spade and newtered super important if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>control the populations. Also, if you have an outside cat.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to be the bearer of bad bird news,

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<v Speaker 1>but most ecologists and wildlife scientists really need you to

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<v Speaker 1>make that an indoor kitty to save the lives of

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<v Speaker 1>so many bird species and lizards and mammals and frogs

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<v Speaker 1>and more. But doctor Delgado says, you can take your

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<v Speaker 1>feline friends to the park or outside on the lawn

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<v Speaker 1>with a leash. And that is great news and a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful idea from an expert who does that. Now, as

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<v Speaker 1>we round at the corner on the final lap of

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<v Speaker 1>our interview with doctor Delgatto, I wanted to know her

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<v Speaker 1>favorite part about working with cats.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like the mystery personally that you they're

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<v Speaker 2>not as maybe blatant as to like, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>a dog who's like I love you. You know, kats

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<v Speaker 2>got to work for it a little bit, and I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely appreciate that. And and I like that they still

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<v Speaker 2>have that little bit of wildness, you know, we're still

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<v Speaker 2>asking are they domesticated or not? We can't even tell. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because they're a little bit wild, but they're also tame

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<v Speaker 2>enough that they're like, you know, curled up in your

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<v Speaker 2>lap and purring, which is like I think purring is magic.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a very soothing and like wonderful little trick

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<v Speaker 2>they have.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they do that in the wild? Same with meowing?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do they just really do that to communicate with us?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Little per so, moms and kittens will purr when

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<v Speaker 2>they're nursing, so you know, we we think typically positive

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<v Speaker 2>situations where there's some love going on, and they'll also

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<v Speaker 2>per of course when they're distressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect answer if you ask me, Oh wait, I almost forgot,

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<v Speaker 1>what about MIAOI Do they do that in the wild? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they? No? Wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So, meowing is something that they primarily do with humans.

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<v Speaker 2>Communication they do with other cats is typically either more

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<v Speaker 2>antagonistic like yowling, growling, hissing, shrieking, or smaller shorter like chirping.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be like a positive sound that cats would do

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<v Speaker 2>to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Hear that they do it just for you because they

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<v Speaker 1>love you when they need you, boy, howdie, we learned

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<v Speaker 1>a ton today and all kitnesside, let's pause and reflect

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<v Speaker 1>before we forget those facts. I swear that is the

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<v Speaker 1>last cap on, I promise. Okay. So we learned that

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<v Speaker 1>cats are most active at dusk and dawn, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>they are crepuscular, which is an awesome word, and that

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<v Speaker 1>cats appear to be more attached to places rather than people.

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<v Speaker 1>And we learned that clean and multiple litter boxes are

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<v Speaker 1>the key to keeping your cat happy, and that play

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<v Speaker 1>should mimic their hunting instincts and tigers, just like many

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<v Speaker 1>house cats, do in fact make biscuits. And most importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>cats are trainable. Oh and they love heating pats. So

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<v Speaker 1>to find out more about doctor Michael Delgatto, you can

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<v Speaker 1>visit her website Michael Delgatto dot com that is linked

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes. You can follow her on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>that's also in the show notes, and for more info

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<v Speaker 1>on her consulting business, check out Felineminds dot com. And

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, doctor Michael Delgatto, and thank you to any

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<v Speaker 1>new smologites who are listening. After our latest unplanned break,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels great to be back with really fresh episodes

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<v Speaker 1>dropping every other week and links again to the full

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<v Speaker 1>Longer episodes for Maybe Adults are available on alliwar dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>slash ologies, or in the show notes, and a full

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<v Speaker 1>list of credits for this episode can be found there

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Since we like to keep things small around here,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you listen to the end of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>I give a piece of advice this week. It's when

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<v Speaker 1>someone gives you a gift, A great way to make

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<v Speaker 1>them feel appreciated is to just write them a quick

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<v Speaker 1>thank you note. Since it's the holidays, maybe before you

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<v Speaker 1>even get any gifts, you can make some nice thank

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<v Speaker 1>you notes. So if someone does give you something, you

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<v Speaker 1>have cool stationary already lined up, all ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>You could have fun, you could draw something on it.

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<v Speaker 1>A thank you note doesn't even have to be long.

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<v Speaker 1>It just has to be heartfelt and it's a great

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<v Speaker 1>way to make someone's day. Speaking of which, I have

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<v Speaker 1>several dozen wedding thank you notes to write. So until

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<v Speaker 1>next time, Smologites, Bye.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye, Spology Polish Colge Sology three
