Speaker 1: Get ready for Hey.
Speaker 2: Hey twenty fifth day or April twenty five of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. Here we are on a friarsday of Friday night,
Speaker 2: and that means it's open mic time on the Ocelly
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Speaker 2: did use it as part of the broadcast setup. It's
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Speaker 2: zero one six. That's three one nine, five two seven,
Speaker 2: five zero one six. Also, the new front page feed
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Speaker 2: people are a lot slower than I anticipated in getting
Speaker 2: their edits back to me. I've got an article from
Speaker 2: Larry Hancock ready to go. I've got another JFK article
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Speaker 2: I wanted to do it by April seven, but again
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Speaker 2: it's Friday, it's the open mic time, and I hear
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Speaker 2: not fully weeny dogs. They're the chelly breed over here,
Speaker 2: but they are barking. They will bark from time to time,
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Speaker 2: five zero one six. Otherwise I'm gonna sit here and
Speaker 2: hapen to have conversations with beat Pete all the time.
Speaker 2: And I don't think you guys are gonna like it much.
Speaker 2: I know you don't love calling in, but you're gonna
Speaker 2: love it even less if it's just me, even Beat Pete,
Speaker 2: trying to b s and then occasionally stumbling into arguments.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna like it much, but who knows.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's where we'll go. Be Pete, how's your week been?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's been kind of busy. I'm trying to get
Speaker 4: some stuff.
Speaker 5: Done out and caught up off the yard helping a
Speaker 5: friend of mine go in for the year.
Speaker 4: So it it's been kind of busy. Other than that.
Speaker 4: Just so I was catching up on some news. I
Speaker 4: noticed that we had a couple of judges arrest said
Speaker 4: the past few days. Isn't it a lovely thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I didn't get the whole you know, landscape on
Speaker 2: that story just yet. But do me a favor, by
Speaker 2: the way, when you're speaking, either get I don't know
Speaker 2: if you need to get closer to the actual microphone
Speaker 2: or further away one way or the other. You're getting
Speaker 2: some sort of microphone distortion, and I want people to
Speaker 2: be able to hear you better. So go ahead and
Speaker 2: tell me a little bit about what you've read so
Speaker 2: far on this judge's getting arrested thing. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I skimmed the headline but didn't really go into it.
Speaker 6: Well, one of them is New Mexico judge who had
Speaker 6: you may have seen a post on Twitter with or
Speaker 6: New Mexico Judge's wife hired this guy.
Speaker 4: To do some work around the house, and then they
Speaker 4: ended up offering him.
Speaker 5: A place to stay in their guest house and provided
Speaker 5: him access to weapons. And the guy is supposedly a
Speaker 5: what dagua was that the name of it?
Speaker 4: TDA game member.
Speaker 5: He snuck in in December of twenty twenty four, I
Speaker 5: think in January.
Speaker 4: This judge's wife hired this guy.
Speaker 5: He's working for him, so they've given him access to
Speaker 5: weapons with her felony, and it's a felony for him
Speaker 5: to have possession of him being illgal alien.
Speaker 4: Anyway, they arrested the judge and his wife for harboring.
Speaker 5: Now the one today there's a judge up in Milwaukee
Speaker 5: that apparently there was a illegal alien that had been
Speaker 5: charged with a domestic violence assault case.
Speaker 2: And where was that is?
Speaker 4: In Milwaukee?
Speaker 3: Milwaukee, OK.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And they were in court and I'm not sure
Speaker 5: what day it actually happened because she was arrested today. Anyway,
Speaker 5: they were in court hearing or I don't know if
Speaker 5: they're ready.
Speaker 4: To try the case.
Speaker 5: The victims were in the courtroom, prosecutor was there, the
Speaker 5: defendant and his lawyer was there, and the judge found
Speaker 5: out that ice was out in the hallway and they
Speaker 5: were coming to pick up the guy because he's got
Speaker 5: a deportation order. He's snuck in twenty and thirteen and
Speaker 5: was removed and snuck back.
Speaker 4: So anyway, they get ready to try this case.
Speaker 5: The judge goes out there, starts screaming and hollering at
Speaker 5: the ICE guys and says, you need to go to
Speaker 5: the head judge. His office is such and such. While
Speaker 5: they take off to the head judge's office, she goes
Speaker 5: back in the courtroom, gets the defendant and her and
Speaker 5: his lawyer and takes them into her chambers and out
Speaker 5: a non public exit. It's the one that the jury
Speaker 5: uses when they come and go let them out, and
Speaker 5: told them to get lost. Ice is here, he goes back. Yeah,
Speaker 5: now this you know.
Speaker 4: Comes and all sitting there. So Ice.
Speaker 7: They end up out front, see the guy chasing him
Speaker 7: down and arrest him.
Speaker 5: This morning they went and arrested her on federal charges
Speaker 5: for obstruction.
Speaker 4: I think there was one other charge conspiracy or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they snatched that. Okay, they snatched the judge of
Speaker 2: Milwaukee for obstruction, I know that much. The other one
Speaker 2: you were talking about in Las Cruses, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: that's a former judge right, and his wife was.
Speaker 4: Just like a week ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, either way.
Speaker 5: Once it became public knowledge that he was harboring this guy,
Speaker 5: he went ahead and resigned or got dismissed, and so
Speaker 5: that's why they called it.
Speaker 4: A former judge.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, I didn't notice, right, just dismissed.
Speaker 5: He said he's banned from holding any judicial office in
Speaker 5: the state ever.
Speaker 2: Again, So an impeachment without the process of impeachment basically, Okay, well, look,
Speaker 2: that's what happens. There's a lot of things going on,
Speaker 2: but that other one is obstruction. Yeah, and that's not
Speaker 2: the first time I've heard it. Now in an ice case,
Speaker 2: you know, or deportation case, that's the first time I've
Speaker 2: heard of that kind of thing. But quite honestly, I've
Speaker 2: seen it done before, where like, you know, a local
Speaker 2: or a city judge is sitting there hearing a case
Speaker 2: against somebody, and the FEDS are about ready to come
Speaker 2: knock down the door and grab the guy right as
Speaker 2: he's walking out of the court, and other people have
Speaker 2: turned around and you know, found an escape for them.
Speaker 2: But usually that's an Italian or Russian businessman, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, doing their thing. I also, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you caught the news this week
Speaker 2: about the fire and Jersey. That's what I focused on
Speaker 2: last night because I have some insights.
Speaker 4: Sorry, good are they arrested a guy for that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a nineteen year old, and I know exactly what
Speaker 2: happened there that the news is not telling you. I
Speaker 2: guarantee you. I know a whole lot of background on
Speaker 2: this story. But I'm amazed that whether it's New Jersey
Speaker 2: or it's the national or international report on this, they
Speaker 2: don't have any insights as to what the hell was
Speaker 2: going on. It sounds really crazy. Oh he's burning palettes
Speaker 2: and he just left him there and no, no, I
Speaker 2: know exactly what happened, and I'm not sympathetic. I'm just
Speaker 2: telling you, I'm almost surprised this doesn't happen more often.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I covered that in depth in one of
Speaker 2: the segments last night. But I also did something else
Speaker 2: which I want to spring on you. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I should do it before or after we start
Speaker 2: taking calls, because I'd like to make sure we can
Speaker 2: get some caller reactions to this too. But I may
Speaker 2: have indeed found either nature Boy's evil twin, or I
Speaker 2: have found an alternate timeline nature Boy. This is our
Speaker 2: you know, you know what I'm talking about. Nature Boy.
Speaker 2: The guy does announcements. He's now doing his own podcast.
Speaker 2: You know he used to produce for me, right. This
Speaker 2: guy is a liberal and an atheist, but he looks
Speaker 2: and sounds like Nature Boy.
Speaker 4: Where does it live?
Speaker 2: I don't want to disclose that, but he doesn't live
Speaker 2: in a dissimilar area kind of place from where Nature
Speaker 2: Boy lives. I don't know this guy. Well, he's not
Speaker 2: a listener, but somehow contact was made here and I
Speaker 2: was sent some video of this guy. He looks like him,
Speaker 2: he sounds like him, but he ain't him. See nature Boy.
Speaker 2: If you don't know, is a is first of all,
Speaker 2: is a Christian. Is kind of conservative in his viewpoints,
Speaker 2: but a little wacky, a little strange. You know that
Speaker 2: he's the guy who basically started naked News. I think
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you know. I think he gave
Speaker 2: credit to you and you gave credit to him.
Speaker 4: Either way, I started naked News. He jumped on it, okay, so.
Speaker 2: He just like made it a running thing. But you
Speaker 2: started it, okay, Look I want credit where credits due.
Speaker 2: But either way, he relished it and really went after
Speaker 2: especially the the meth heads getting in trouble being naked
Speaker 2: and made it a steady feature on this show because
Speaker 2: that's where his sense of humor's at. We've had a
Speaker 2: lot of conversations with nature Boy, and he's got that
Speaker 2: very distinctive, good solid radio voice.
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, I would say that Nature Boy probably does
Speaker 7: a lot of things, a lot more things than naked
Speaker 7: besides naked news than we would like to know.
Speaker 2: Well, even though this guy has been close enough to
Speaker 2: me that he's been to my house more than once, right,
Speaker 2: you know, he's been a friend, I kind of disconnected
Speaker 2: myself from him because I wanted to kind of give
Speaker 2: him a sort of a light kick in the ass
Speaker 2: to go do your own podcast. Okay, but he has
Speaker 2: a great, great voice. I always thought so. And look,
Speaker 2: I differ from him a little bit in my political
Speaker 2: views my social views for sure, but that voice and
Speaker 2: even the phrasing. I'm telling you, this guy looks ethnically
Speaker 2: similar to nature Boy. He's got a shave bald head,
Speaker 2: perfectly bald, like Nature Boy likes to do. And I've
Speaker 2: even got some audio here, which if you want to
Speaker 2: hear some audio this guy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that'd be fine. Have you ever asked Nature
Speaker 8: Boy if he had a twin.
Speaker 2: Well, I messaged him on Twitter, and I know a
Speaker 2: little bit about his family. There should not be a twin,
Speaker 2: not that way. But if you have no he's he's good. Yeah, brother, sure,
Speaker 2: but nothing like him. Okay, And this can't be his dad. Okay,
Speaker 2: this can't be his dad. It can't be his brother.
Speaker 2: Can't be uh Nope, they would probably be almost the
Speaker 2: same age if this guy's not a touch older than him. Maybe,
Speaker 2: but Nature Boy's a little deceptive in his age, and
Speaker 2: I'll leave it at that. But but either way, this
Speaker 2: guy is very close to Nature Boy's age if they're
Speaker 2: not exactly the same age. He's got a shaved bald head,
Speaker 2: lives kind of seemingly from what I can gather, and
Speaker 2: I don't know this guy. Well, he's not a listener.
Speaker 2: He may be listening now because a weird circumstance took
Speaker 2: place where somebody put me in contact with him, and
Speaker 2: not even because they thought this is like alternate universe
Speaker 2: Nature Boy. But this guy's an atheist clearly, and is
Speaker 2: an anti trumper, Okay, which is not I mean, that's
Speaker 2: almost exactly opposite a Nature Boy, except Nature Boy is
Speaker 2: not a pro pro Trumper, but he's definitely more on
Speaker 2: the right wing side of things, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: even though he lives in California.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they live close enough that they could run
Speaker 5: into each other. No, there's an old leon saying that
Speaker 5: if you see your double, you die.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not showing anybody video and I'm not putting
Speaker 2: these two in touch with each other because I want
Speaker 2: to independent. And I said to a nature Boy on Twitter,
Speaker 2: I may have found your evil twin and I'm playing
Speaker 2: it live on my show right now and I'm playing
Speaker 2: the audio. And he said, send me the clip or
Speaker 2: send me the show link, and I said, okay, I
Speaker 2: sent him the link. Now I have not checked back
Speaker 2: since I did that on Twitter, and to see what
Speaker 2: nature Boy had to say. I'm almost willing to bet
Speaker 2: he's gonna say, ah, that doesn't sound like me or something.
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you that. I turned around also and
Speaker 2: I played this. You know, I'm thinking, well, maybe I'm
Speaker 2: just nuts me and my bad eyesight, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And I decided to play it, you know,
Speaker 2: for missus. Oh, because again nature Boy's been here right,
Speaker 2: so she's met him. In person. She's actually hung out
Speaker 2: with him. He stayed overnight here, you know, just like
Speaker 2: you did. Okay, Actually he stayed here a couple of days. Uh,
Speaker 2: you crashed here? What one night when we were gonna
Speaker 2: go leave for Dallas and you might.
Speaker 5: Have took off, And then when we got back from Dallas,
Speaker 5: I got a couple hours before I headed home.
Speaker 2: Right, So I mean you you actually have spent slightly
Speaker 2: less time in my house on your one trip here
Speaker 2: than he did. He was here for a little bit
Speaker 2: a few days. Okay, So it's not like she would
Speaker 2: be unfamiliar with him. But I played this for and
Speaker 2: she and holy crap, if I you know, she doesn't
Speaker 2: think he looks as much like him as I think
Speaker 2: he looks like him. But she said, if I close
Speaker 2: my eyes, I'd think I was listening to the same guy.
Speaker 2: So do you want to hear a clip of this right? Religion?
Speaker 3: Nah, I'm not for that.
Speaker 2: Okay, you heard that part. Let me back it up
Speaker 2: a little, okay, particularly can you hear that clearly? Or
Speaker 2: does need to be louder?
Speaker 4: No? That's fine.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 9: So the bloated Orange Doughnut wants people to report anti
Speaker 9: Christian bias in the federal government. Well, now Veterans Affairs
Speaker 9: is doing the same thing. They want folks to report, basically,
Speaker 9: folks who are against Christianity.
Speaker 4: God, no, it's your Boy's got much more facient.
Speaker 2: Hang on, hang on, there's more, there's more.
Speaker 9: You can't make this shit up, man, Mike me, for instance.
Speaker 2: I hate all that shit. I mean, religion.
Speaker 3: Nah, I'm not for that. I believe in energy, I
Speaker 3: believe in you know, love, and I believe in you know.
Speaker 4: All that stuff.
Speaker 3: But Christianity like sky Daddy, like daddy, are you listening?
Speaker 3: Like no, I don't believe in any of that shit.
Speaker 9: So I guess if I worked in the federal government
Speaker 9: or in Veterans Affairs, I'd be in trouble.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 9: I figure, it's twenty twenty five. Let's get our heads
Speaker 9: out of our asses and just be human beings floating
Speaker 9: around on this rock in outer space.
Speaker 2: You know it makes more sense. But try and love
Speaker 2: your name. You know that'd be a good person. Hmmm.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get a lot of backlash for this.
Speaker 2: Bugget okay, Now you're saying there's more bass in his voice,
Speaker 2: But remember when nature Boy comes on the show. He's
Speaker 2: got a good mic and it's picking up all the bass.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that if you put Nature Boy basically
Speaker 2: this is him on a phone like a camera on
Speaker 2: a phone. Huh.
Speaker 11: I can tell the party, Okay, you can tell them apart,
Speaker 11: but are you telling me that this is not Maybe
Speaker 11: you can tell them apart.
Speaker 2: But how close is it?
Speaker 4: Will? It is very close?
Speaker 8: But if you played, if you played either one of them,
Speaker 8: I can tell you who was who.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I don't know if we had them on
Speaker 2: exactly the same quality mic, because there's more depth with
Speaker 2: it to his voice. On another I've heard him audio
Speaker 2: in another place, in another way, and he's got the
Speaker 2: same texture the Nature Boy has. This is again on
Speaker 2: a phone. I've got another one here. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: play the whole clip, but just give you a piece
Speaker 2: of the clip, and it's in a different location but
Speaker 2: still with the phone, and I think you get a
Speaker 2: slightly different audio if you've got a good ear. Right now,
Speaker 2: my ears are ringing real bad, so you know, at
Speaker 2: this moment I'm not great. But I'm telling you, even
Speaker 2: looking at it electronically, like digitally on a graph, it's
Speaker 2: super similar.
Speaker 3: This is what the cult leader Orange Bloated Pig Doughnut
Speaker 3: t Rump put out on social media yesterday. I think
Speaker 3: you'll find this fun.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now you heard the deeper parts there that he's
Speaker 2: expressing that are getting flatlined by the phone. You heard it, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that if I put a similar type
Speaker 2: of recording to this of nature Boy, it almost graphs
Speaker 2: the same like your The uh parts in his voice
Speaker 2: they graph like I mean, it's like they're exactly the
Speaker 2: same dB. It's weird, okay, Uh, let me let me
Speaker 2: just give you a little more of it.
Speaker 3: I'm going to read it verbatim the day here we go.
Speaker 3: Bear with me. The radical left is only good at
Speaker 3: playing the raft. They are always threatening our judges. This
Speaker 3: is judicial intimidation and should be against the law. First
Speaker 3: of all, yield Orange Piglet. You are the only one
Speaker 3: intimidating judges. You are the one doing it.
Speaker 2: Okay. You hear the difference there though, that's a slightly
Speaker 2: different voice, different time of day for him, and you
Speaker 2: hear the depth coming in right, And he's not intentionally
Speaker 2: doing this for audio either. When when we hear nature Boy,
Speaker 2: he's very conscious of his audio, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And he's got that that texture he's rolling with, and
Speaker 2: he's got you know, a four hundred dollars mic instead
Speaker 2: of whatever Mike is on this guy's phone. All right,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that with a similar type of technology recording,
Speaker 2: Nature Boy and this guy, their their sound is virtually identical.
Speaker 2: I mean digitally and also when I had a clear ear.
Speaker 2: But anyway, but you can see where it's pretty damn close,
Speaker 2: can't you.
Speaker 4: Oh, definitely, definitely all right.
Speaker 2: And then I'm telling you he's got you know, kind
Speaker 2: of a similar eyebrows, the bald head, the whole bit
Speaker 2: looks at like he's probably the similar ethnic mix, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, the whole thing. So anyway, it's
Speaker 2: just crazy to me, and I want I'm waiting for
Speaker 2: Nature Boy to get back to me. He has not
Speaker 2: said anything about it. And I sent him the link
Speaker 2: to the show and I told him, you know, I
Speaker 2: think I did it in the second segment last night
Speaker 2: or whatever. And you guys can get that podcast or
Speaker 2: it's in replays already in the uh in the the
Speaker 2: cycle there the auto DJ on Ocelly dot com Radio.
Speaker 2: Obviously we're gonna be broadcasting, you know, all the way
Speaker 2: till midnight tonight, because Aaron starts at ten and uncle
Speaker 2: the podcast starts at eleven. But in the meantime, you
Speaker 2: guys can call in and tell me what you think.
Speaker 2: And you're hearing it, of course, you know, third hand
Speaker 2: now through the radio and everything. But tell me, that
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like Nature Boy, you guys listening out there,
Speaker 2: except for all the sentiments and all the stuff that
Speaker 2: he would have said wrong. But even the weird sort
Speaker 2: of like you know, stop and go in his voice
Speaker 2: to me, even some of the phrasing is very similar,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, if you if you pay really,
Speaker 2: really close attention, you could certainly tell there's a bit
Speaker 2: of a difference. But again, if he had an evil twin,
Speaker 2: or this is him from an alternate timeline, they may
Speaker 2: indeed have had different life experiences and there might be
Speaker 2: slight variations. But I'm telling you, it's that strange to me.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I have run into Nature Boys doppelganger.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, let's see, but you're not as convinced.
Speaker 2: It sounds like BP. What's up?
Speaker 12: I do?
Speaker 4: But I just I could tell them apart. It's just
Speaker 4: the mannerism to the way that they speak. Yeah, they're close.
Speaker 5: But I think even if you took any too copies
Speaker 5: of their voice and played them, I can tell you
Speaker 5: who was who.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think there's a lot of overlap there, But
Speaker 2: again it's a matter of opinion. You know, I've seen people.
Speaker 2: Remember that thing a few years ago, what was it?
Speaker 2: There was an audio out there and people swore up
Speaker 2: and down that they said one thing or said another.
Speaker 2: And people were saying, oh, that means you're break and
Speaker 2: is wired this way. Or there was another thing with
Speaker 2: colors on her dress. Right, if it's green to you,
Speaker 2: then you're not that smart. But if it's blue, you're
Speaker 2: smart and you know. And then there was like a
Speaker 2: small group of people were like saying, well, it's not
Speaker 2: blue or green, it's actually silver, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It was a weird thing where they passed around this
Speaker 2: one image and everybody kept coming up with different you know,
Speaker 2: there were these factions, right, remember that.
Speaker 5: That dress again, I don't know, I think it was
Speaker 5: on Twitter. Somebody reposted it. Somebody, you know, remember anything.
Speaker 2: You were saying, was it?
Speaker 5: No, I happen to see it on Twitter just the
Speaker 5: other day, somebody who was one of these blasts from
Speaker 5: the past or something posts someone you know put it up.
Speaker 2: Remember there was some audio too, of like I heard
Speaker 2: them say this, or I heard them say that, and apparently,
Speaker 2: you know, it's same audio. But somebody said, oh I
Speaker 2: heard him say a woman's name or or you know,
Speaker 2: I forget what it was, but it was like this
Speaker 2: weird kind of thing where they were saying, look at this,
Speaker 2: you know, we have different realities. And I thought it
Speaker 2: was just stupid, but it apparently became a big thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, like tens of thousands of people participated in
Speaker 2: that mess. Do you remember the audio game.
Speaker 4: Vaguely? Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, it's amazing how something like that becomes viral,
Speaker 5: how quick it could become viral.
Speaker 2: Well, if I found a guy you know who sounded
Speaker 2: precisely like you, and then I got a picture of
Speaker 2: him and or you know, to me, it sounded precisely
Speaker 2: like you were super super close, except he was clearly
Speaker 2: you know, of a different mindset. But then we get
Speaker 2: a picture of him and he looks very similar, you know,
Speaker 2: like this guy at least bbpte's cousin.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, good luck with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck with that, right. I mean, I have
Speaker 2: heard tell of a guy who is apparently just like me.
Speaker 2: But that's a whole other story for another day. But
Speaker 2: you know, despite the fact that in Australia there are
Speaker 2: people that say, I sound exactly like Alex Jones, I
Speaker 2: don't know what's wrong with you. You know, greetings from
Speaker 2: down Under if you're listening tonight, but I you know,
Speaker 2: it's just a raspy American voice. But this, this is different.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's really interesting when you
Speaker 2: come across somebody who, yeah, we're all entirely unique and
Speaker 2: everything else, but eventually you got to come back around
Speaker 2: to nearly the same combination of people. But then again,
Speaker 2: what about the alternate timeline? Right? What about if somebody
Speaker 2: has actually, you know, knocked out of their reality and
Speaker 2: now they're just part of this one. How about the
Speaker 2: evil twin concept or the you know, evil twin in that.
Speaker 2: I don't even mean to say that this guy's evil
Speaker 2: because he's atheist or anything like that. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that the opposite twin kind of situation
Speaker 2: where it's like, imagine this me Pete. Imagine there was
Speaker 2: a guy looked and sounded just like you, but he
Speaker 2: swore up and down that Republicans were Nazis and that
Speaker 2: Democrats are the only chance that America has. And he
Speaker 2: also was, I don't know, a practicing Satanist, but he
Speaker 2: looked and sounded like you. Other Wise, you know, or
Speaker 2: how about this? He all that? Plus he's gay.
Speaker 4: He'd be like, what's that on going out there on
Speaker 4: a limb?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying to go out there. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be as ridiculous as possible to create as opposite a
Speaker 2: thing as I can in my mind with you. Well,
Speaker 2: there you go. But I mean, I'm working on it.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, this guy to me, I don't even
Speaker 2: know all the facts. I don't know all this guy's background, nothing, Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's very weird to me that somebody
Speaker 2: insisted on putting him in nine by the way too,
Speaker 2: and for a totally different reason, not because they thought
Speaker 2: it was nature boys doppelganger or whatever, but a reason
Speaker 2: I'll discuss on the air. At some point I might
Speaker 2: bring him on the air. We'll see, but maybe not,
Speaker 2: you know which, Oh, by the way, I'll have Robbie
Speaker 2: Martin on next week. Hipaul goes well, but yeah, so
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just a weird situation. So I
Speaker 2: just wanted to get your thoughts on it. What are
Speaker 2: your thoughts about the whole doppelganger thing? And you know,
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, if you run into yourself, you're supposed
Speaker 2: to die. I've heard that kind of thing before too.
Speaker 2: But what else I don't know.
Speaker 8: They say everybody out there has a double I've not
Speaker 8: come across mind yet or anything even close. So, but
Speaker 8: you know, I have seen some people that I had
Speaker 8: to do a double take because I thought it was
Speaker 8: somebody else. Oh, people that I do very well see
Speaker 8: a picture or something online and go, damn, that looks
Speaker 8: exactly like and then you know, try to blow it
Speaker 8: up and see if there's what.
Speaker 4: The differences are. But I don't see it that often.
Speaker 8: It's just day every now and then I'll run to
Speaker 8: call the photo of if you didn't know any better,
Speaker 8: then set say, yeah, that's the person that you thought
Speaker 8: it was.
Speaker 2: Well, in the days before the Internet, when I lived
Speaker 2: in you know, the Asbury Neptune Township area of New Jersey,
Speaker 2: which the area of New Jersey I focused on last
Speaker 2: night during the news show is actually Lacey Township excuse me,
Speaker 2: better known as Fork and River, where both missus and
Speaker 2: oh and I lived before we moved to North Carolina.
Speaker 2: That's the area that just got burned up real bad.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I provided some insights last night,
Speaker 2: But before I lived in that area of New Jersey,
Speaker 2: which it's not a giant state, but when I lived
Speaker 2: in the Neptune Asbury Park area, I had a running
Speaker 2: problem for about five years where people were swearing they
Speaker 2: saw me places that I could not have been, and
Speaker 2: they were swearing that I was wearing you know, very
Speaker 2: similar looking stuff, you know, but slightly wrong. Like I'll
Speaker 2: give you for instance, back then, Okay, the New York Mets,
Speaker 2: they've always had a blue hat and an orange and why.
Speaker 2: And that was meant to be a replacement for the Dodgers,
Speaker 2: the Dodger blue and the orange and why for the
Speaker 2: New York Giants. It was to give a National League
Speaker 2: team back to New York City. Okay, that's part of
Speaker 2: the inspiration for the Mets colors. So for several years
Speaker 2: that's all the hats were. Nowadays, there are variations on
Speaker 2: Mets hats. You can get them in any color and
Speaker 2: all this. Okay, that's the way culture's gone. But back then,
Speaker 2: I had a fitted Mets hat. Okay, you know, no
Speaker 2: adjustable thing on the back. It was actually my hat size.
Speaker 2: And I had a nice you know, it was an
Speaker 2: expensive hat. But I had a fitted Mets hat and
Speaker 2: it was blue and it had the orange and why well,
Speaker 2: people would see me and swear up and down they
Speaker 2: saw me with a black New York York Mets hat on. Now,
Speaker 2: that wasn't possible, but back then the Major League Baseball
Speaker 2: did license some throwback hats, so it is possible that
Speaker 2: somebody could have bought a New York Giants hat like
Speaker 2: that as a throwback to when the New York Giants existed.
Speaker 2: But they swore up and down, you must have a
Speaker 2: black New York Mets hat. I did not own one.
Speaker 2: They would swear the guy was dressed similar to me.
Speaker 2: They would swear that, you know, they saw him walking,
Speaker 2: which I was kind of unusual as an older teenager
Speaker 2: walking around as opposed to driving with my friends or
Speaker 2: driving a car. You'd see me on foot from time
Speaker 2: to time along the side of major highways, walking from
Speaker 2: place to place, and they would swear they saw me
Speaker 2: walking somewhere in places where I could not have been.
Speaker 2: A couple of times I chalked it up to, well,
Speaker 2: you just got the day wrong. Maybe you saw me
Speaker 2: somewhere else. Okay, maybe you thought the hat was black
Speaker 2: but it was actually blue. But this happened with such
Speaker 2: detail and strangeness a few times, and people would get
Speaker 2: mad at me. I waved at you, I tried to
Speaker 2: wave you down so I could pick you up. You
Speaker 2: ignored me, and all kinds of weird things they would say,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I wasn't there, I was over here. One time I
Speaker 2: was in New York for a weekend. I had spent
Speaker 2: New York. I had an apartment in Asbury Park, and
Speaker 2: I had gone to New York City on like Friday
Speaker 2: afternoon because I got off of work early, I blew
Speaker 2: up band practice for the weekend. I went to New
Speaker 2: York Friday afternoon and did not come back until late
Speaker 2: Sunday night. And the train, would you know, it went
Speaker 2: to Asbury Park, and I walked about a mile to
Speaker 2: my home in Ocean Grove. From the train station, in
Speaker 2: Asbury Park, almost to the shore in Ocean Grove. Maybe
Speaker 2: it was three quarters of a mile. But that was
Speaker 2: all I did that weekend. People were spotting me on Saturday.
Speaker 2: On Friday night, they spotted me in a bar, all
Speaker 2: these different places they said they spotted me. I was
Speaker 2: ignoring them, walking away from them, in one case, running
Speaker 2: away from them. One of them even was trying to
Speaker 2: claim that I was somewhere on my way toward an
Speaker 2: ex girlfriend's house to my girlfriend, okay, telling him that I, well,
Speaker 2: he must have been cheating on you, because he was
Speaker 2: going over toward you know, I'm not going to name her,
Speaker 2: but ex girlfriend's house, and he was going over there
Speaker 2: to see her. And she's like, but I talked to
Speaker 2: him when he was in New York, and in fact,
Speaker 2: the other time, you're telling me that, Like, I brought
Speaker 2: him to the train station and dropped him off before
Speaker 2: he left, I walked home, but she dropped me off
Speaker 2: at the train station. There was no way that I
Speaker 2: got on that train to New York and was back
Speaker 2: an hour later going to see my girlfriend, or my
Speaker 2: ex girlfriend and cheating on my current girlfriend. It's not possible.
Speaker 2: So thankfully I had a logistical, you know, alibi. But
Speaker 2: people saw me that whole weekend all over the place.
Speaker 2: You were walking down Route thirty three on Saturday, Yes,
Speaker 2: on Saturday. I know it was Saturday because blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And I'm like, but Saturday, I was
Speaker 2: in New York. You couldn't have been. I saw you.
Speaker 2: You were wearing that T shirt, you know, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I owned that T shirt, but I wasn't wearing that
Speaker 2: shirt and I was in New York City and they
Speaker 2: would swear it anyway. It was just a weird thing.
Speaker 2: And it was like five years of this running thing
Speaker 2: that just gap happening, and people that knew me well,
Speaker 2: people that barely knew me, people that you know, knew
Speaker 2: me but hadn't seen me since high school. It was
Speaker 2: all kinds of weird. So like, how come you ignored
Speaker 2: me the other day? What are you talking about? I
Speaker 2: saw you in the grocery store. I haven't been to
Speaker 2: the grocery store this week yet. I'm broke. I mean,
Speaker 2: just you know, like all over the place. Five years
Speaker 2: that went on, and then I moved out of the
Speaker 2: area and it stopped. But I ever could solve that
Speaker 2: by the bye anyway, and without time travel or you know,
Speaker 2: literally I doing all kinds of things that defy logic.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I could have accomplished it, but
Speaker 2: people would swear it. And I'm telling you it was
Speaker 2: all kinds of different sighted people, people that did drugs,
Speaker 2: didn't do drugs. I mean, you name it. It just
Speaker 2: it was the weirdest thing anyhow. I just love this,
Speaker 2: this whole weirdness of like, you know, here's somebody that's
Speaker 2: kind of a copy but went in a different direction.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Anyway, we got Jimmy James on the line.
Speaker 2: You want me to get to him? Or should we
Speaker 2: go into some news? What do you want to do?
Speaker 4: Be pete, Let's see what Jimmy's got to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he likes this idea, or maybe he's got
Speaker 2: something worse to tell me, or he's going to tell
Speaker 2: me I'm stupid and it doesn't sound like nature boy,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's find out from the man himself.
Speaker 2: Jimmy James, how you doing, my friend? What's on your
Speaker 2: mind this week?
Speaker 1: My mind's always a blink. Hey, yeah, that's a heck
Speaker 1: of a thing. That guy definitely at time sounds just
Speaker 1: like Nature Boy, I mean in and out. If that
Speaker 1: guy listened to Nature Boy, it tried too. He could
Speaker 1: definitely do an imitation.
Speaker 2: Or vice versa.
Speaker 1: I bet, oh yeah, probably, But.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you also, it's different quality recording. When Nature
Speaker 2: Boy comes on here, he's on a good mic. He's
Speaker 2: on a good sound system. That's what that guy sounds
Speaker 2: like through his phone. He does videos on his phone,
Speaker 2: and he leaves messages for people, and he also posts somewhere.
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna tell you who he is, so
Speaker 2: he can't even find him because I want to explore
Speaker 2: this a little more, and he might wind up being
Speaker 2: a guest on the show, not because of his political
Speaker 2: views either, but because of something else he does. But
Speaker 2: totally weird. I think he's like, I really, I'm cracking
Speaker 2: myself up thinking I found Nature Boy's evil twin. You
Speaker 2: know you want a Mandela effect. I got one great
Speaker 2: to have.
Speaker 1: Them both on sometime down the road. You gotta get
Speaker 1: them both on, get him talk to each other. They
Speaker 1: will blow everyone's spine right.
Speaker 2: Imagine this, Jimmy James. Imagine if a guy called up
Speaker 2: and he said his names was James, Jimmy, and he
Speaker 2: sounded a lot like you. And he was on the
Speaker 2: other line, he'd be like, what the hell. I mean,
Speaker 2: I would find that interesting because I've never heard anybody
Speaker 2: sounds just like you.
Speaker 1: No, not that I'm pretty unique, that's for sure, but
Speaker 1: good people. Well, the one guy did a great imitation
Speaker 1: on me. He freaked me out at one time. He
Speaker 1: called in the first time.
Speaker 2: You know, uh, yeah, somebody did do it in the show
Speaker 2: for a long time. Yeah, somebody did do an imitation
Speaker 2: of you, like a long time.
Speaker 1: Ago, right, Yeah, he did real good too. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean I thought that I thought that you're
Speaker 1: thing was playing an old show all of the sudden
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the heck, Well, look, and that
Speaker 2: guy who did a good imitation of you though, to me,
Speaker 2: he wasn't you know it. Look it was I obviously
Speaker 2: knew who he was intimate, you know, imitating, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't confused. I knew which one was which, you know.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: But this guy, to me, I'm telling you, in the
Speaker 2: right circumstances, I think he sounds exactly like like nature boy.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: But anyways, he's not even trying to do that. He's
Speaker 1: not even trying right now. If he heard nature Boy
Speaker 1: and actually tried M I think it could get pretty freaky, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because all he'd have to do is really like hub
Speaker 2: were on those loop points where you know he does that,
Speaker 2: you know, if he does that, then it would be like,
Speaker 2: holy crap, it's the same thing. I really think so.
Speaker 2: But anyway, and I grahed it. I graphed a couple
Speaker 2: of parts where he was lower register on a piece
Speaker 2: that I don't have ready to play actually, and it
Speaker 2: was like damn. Sonically they register to the digital recording
Speaker 2: almost precisely alike when they say similar things at similar speeds,
Speaker 2: And I was just like whoa. You know, I think
Speaker 2: I ended up using like some of the curse words,
Speaker 2: like what the hell or whatever it was he was
Speaker 2: saying there, and yeah, they were like dead on and
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, that's really weird. So, anyway, anything
Speaker 2: else on your brain today, Jimmy James, You want to
Speaker 2: talk about the arrests of the judges? You want to
Speaker 2: talk about some other news? Did you want information on
Speaker 2: the fire from last night? Did you hear that show
Speaker 2: by the way, yes? Okay, ah right, oh yeah, that's right,
Speaker 2: you were on Live and I'm telling you that story
Speaker 2: about Jersey, which Bpte hasn't heard yet, so maybe I'll
Speaker 2: save it for him to hear the podcast. But that's
Speaker 2: the reality of that area of Jersey. You've heard me
Speaker 2: mentioned this before, b Pete, where I used to call
Speaker 2: these guys wickers. Yeah, okay, and it's because they were
Speaker 2: somewhere in between like a crossbreed of a hick and
Speaker 2: a white guy trying to be black. So they'd be like,
Speaker 2: I'm going out in my mud truck, yo. You know,
Speaker 2: they'd be spitting, chewing tobacco juice out and smoking the
Speaker 2: blood same time. I mean, it was just weird, and
Speaker 2: it was that culture of what we call in Jersey
Speaker 2: Piney's because they spend a lot of times in the pinelands.
Speaker 2: And if you notice, that's what burned up. But that
Speaker 2: town they called Lacey is also known as Forkid River
Speaker 2: and is a parkway exit right, and of course they
Speaker 2: had to close down the parkway and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And we know missus, oh, and I know that area
Speaker 2: real well. That's where we lived before we moved to
Speaker 2: North Carolina together, so it's where we got together. That
Speaker 2: town even and it's a weird culture, especially among the kids.
Speaker 2: And I'm not surprised. This is a nineteen year old,
Speaker 2: you know, and a whole bit so this kid, I
Speaker 2: guarantee you, was out there, and they used to do
Speaker 2: the bonfire thing with the with the pallettes all the time.
Speaker 2: They would steal them, they'd offer to buy them, they'd
Speaker 2: look for if they were broken ones in the parking lot,
Speaker 2: at the grocery store, all over the place. It was
Speaker 2: a big thing to get a hold of the wooden
Speaker 2: pallets and they'd go out in the mud truck and yeah,
Speaker 2: make a big bonfire after getting all muddy and all
Speaker 2: set up and all that, and they would drink and
Speaker 2: then other drugs got into it too, but a lot
Speaker 2: of weed, a lot of beer for underage guys. And yeah,
Speaker 2: this was a big move.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: You take girls out there and they're cut off, shorts,
Speaker 2: no shoes, and next thing you know, you're both rolling
Speaker 2: around in the mud.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it was just the thing for these like teenagers mostly,
Speaker 2: but you know, into their mid twenties or so, big,
Speaker 2: big time in that area. And I guarantee you when
Speaker 2: they said they were going to charge other people, that
Speaker 2: was other people out on that particular mud truck excursion
Speaker 2: out into the bonfires. So that's what I guarantee happened there.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm almost shocked it doesn't happen more because
Speaker 2: these kids are not exactly the most responsible human beings,
Speaker 2: and they're lighting fires in the woods and if you
Speaker 2: don't put that out properly, you know, I even said
Speaker 2: during the broadcast, I think you know we're's Smoky the
Speaker 2: Bear when you need them, uh, because you know, you
Speaker 2: only you can prevent forest fires. Smoky the Bear. They
Speaker 2: used to have signs of them in Jersey. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they teach these kids that anymore, but definitely
Speaker 2: they need to teach them to put out the day
Speaker 2: fires in the woods because otherwise crazy stuff happens. And
Speaker 2: that's a lot of acreage for a small state like Jersey,
Speaker 2: you know. So anyway, but you.
Speaker 1: Saw, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's a drop in the bucket for California.
Speaker 1: It's probably, like you say, especially since it started at
Speaker 1: four tawny.
Speaker 2: So I promise you it was like, yeah, four to twenty.
Speaker 2: They were out there smoking weed because it's four twenty, Yeah,
Speaker 2: four to twenty, and the smoking weed and somebody was
Speaker 2: lazy and just didn't put out the damn bonfire. And
Speaker 2: so I don't know if that's arson or you know,
Speaker 2: because they're saying, oh, it's arson, and this and that
Speaker 2: and blah, and thankfully nobody was killed. Some businesses were destroyed,
Speaker 2: and a lot of acreage, but you know, there we go,
Speaker 2: that's a lot of acreage that's no longer going to
Speaker 2: have any protection anymore. And this happens every time a
Speaker 2: massive fire happens in that part of Jersey, as they go, well,
Speaker 2: screw it, let's develop it into something so they will,
Speaker 2: Uh that could.
Speaker 1: Be could be something going on there, chuck, because I
Speaker 1: know I read a year or two that the Pines
Speaker 1: was absorbed by another bigger town. Yeah, that was like
Speaker 1: a thing going on in Jersey.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the Pinelands, Okay, there's always something going on
Speaker 2: with that. The Pinelands is an area that encompasses several
Speaker 2: many towns.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: In fact, it goes across one, two, three counties that
Speaker 2: they call the Pinelands. And some of it looks like
Speaker 2: you know, in that that episode of The Sopranos. I
Speaker 2: don't know, if you guys watch the Sopranos, But they
Speaker 2: have an episode called the Pinelands, and the story is,
Speaker 2: the two of them go out there, right, they get
Speaker 2: stuck and they get lost in the woods trying to
Speaker 2: go get rid of this Russian guy. And the Russian
Speaker 2: guy gets away, but they shot him and they never
Speaker 2: see him again, and they know, they don't know what happened,
Speaker 2: but their car disappears and they end up in the
Speaker 2: middle of the Pinelands overnight and almost freeze to death. Well,
Speaker 2: that's a real thing, number one. Number two. It's just
Speaker 2: a big, huge area which also happens to surround those
Speaker 2: three military bases I tell you about. They describe it
Speaker 2: as a joint thing, but it's three separate military bases McGuire,
Speaker 2: Fort Dix and Lakers Naval Air, which Lakers Naval Air
Speaker 2: is the place where the Hindenburg crashed. Right Surrounding those
Speaker 2: military bases is what they call the Pinelands. All sorts
Speaker 2: of piney piney trees, And like I said, they call
Speaker 2: the people that live there and kind of engage in
Speaker 2: that culture and are sort of very like hick Ish
Speaker 2: or hill billy ish. They call them pineys. You know.
Speaker 2: They've also been called South Jersey stump jumpers before, and
Speaker 2: there's the legends about the albinos that live in the pinelands,
Speaker 2: and there's lost people out there that never across over
Speaker 2: we're into society, and every once in a while somebody
Speaker 2: goes out there and they murder them, you know, the
Speaker 2: urban legend and all that. Plus that is also the
Speaker 2: area where the Jersey Devil is supposed to have been spawned.
Speaker 1: Just saying, oh that guy, Yeah, that guy's been around,
Speaker 1: that Jersey Devil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for hundreds of years. There's been sightings of the
Speaker 2: quote Jersey team here, right, Yeah, Well, the natives had
Speaker 2: ideas about this crazy creature and then you know, it's
Speaker 2: been a legend ever since, and so much so that
Speaker 2: what they named the hockey team, right, the New Jersey
Speaker 2: Devils is named after this, this legend in New Jersey
Speaker 2: of the Jersey Devil, that woman who had her thirteenth
Speaker 2: child and it was cursed and this and that, and
Speaker 2: the thing freaked out and flew out the window. Because
Speaker 2: it's sprouted wings and it's got all kinds of descriptions.
Speaker 2: But people up to this day swear up and down
Speaker 2: that they've cited this insane creature that's had like everything
Speaker 2: from a dragon head to a devil head, to bat
Speaker 2: wings and spikes on its back, and all kinds of
Speaker 2: crazy things like otherworldly demonic in some cases, I mean
Speaker 2: somewhere between an alligator and a demon. This thing looks
Speaker 2: like and supposedly roaming the woods in Jersey, the Pinelands,
Speaker 2: maybe is that burned up? Even in third grade, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, when I was in third grade
Speaker 2: in Long Branch, the only new textbook they bought, and
Speaker 2: believe me, we had old ass textbooks, you know, to
Speaker 2: the point where the last president listed was was you know,
Speaker 2: Kennedy preassassination, right, And.
Speaker 1: I had those, Yeah, I had those great textbooks where
Speaker 1: Reagan was governor instead of president. Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: But one of the new textbooks they actually bought when
Speaker 2: I was in third grade and Long Branch in the
Speaker 2: school system there, and by the way, they closed my
Speaker 2: school after that, because that school had been in operation
Speaker 2: since the eighteen hundreds, they closed it. But the only
Speaker 2: new book they bought was this like workbook slash textbook
Speaker 2: about guess what the Jersey Devil. And it had a
Speaker 2: couple of minor sections on like regular Jersey history, but
Speaker 2: the majority of the book was about the Jersey Devil.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was.
Speaker 1: Well, I had to have been a local guy I
Speaker 1: wrote it. I mean a Jersey guy had to have
Speaker 1: wrote it. Maybe he managed to sell it off to
Speaker 1: the education people. Yeah, if I'm guessing that's to do
Speaker 1: it here with our kind of local legend type thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I because there was a congressman from from a
Speaker 2: long branch and all that, and he had all sorts
Speaker 2: of little deals on the side. It's so funny because
Speaker 2: his father ran you ready for this next to the
Speaker 2: bar that I tell stories about where I was shooting
Speaker 2: pool and all that. But right next to the bar,
Speaker 2: he had a little business that was a ready detective agency,
Speaker 2: used car lot, slash Christmas tree lot, and it functioned
Speaker 2: as all three things, and it was just a big
Speaker 2: parking lot that got changed over between those three things
Speaker 2: over the course of a year, and always the detective
Speaker 2: agency was open, and lots of things went on in
Speaker 2: that building that I knew about that had nothing to
Speaker 2: do with either one of those or any of those
Speaker 2: three businesses, but he did. He sold Christmas trees, used cars,
Speaker 2: and also he was a private detective that was his father.
Speaker 2: He became a conversation.
Speaker 1: If he had a sign offering all three of those
Speaker 1: services at once, then I bet he would have gotten
Speaker 1: some special attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, the sign would change. Like when it
Speaker 2: was Christmas Tree lot time, all the cars would be,
Speaker 2: you know, parked very carefully in the back and all
Speaker 2: you'd see is Christmas trees and it was the Christmas
Speaker 2: Tree Lot. Then after you know, Christmas was over, the
Speaker 2: cars would come back up front and sometimes it would
Speaker 2: say it was a used car lot, and other times
Speaker 2: you'd see a sign for the Private Detective Agency and
Speaker 2: they would just keep switching the sign on the same post,
Speaker 2: big big huge post with a big plate they got
Speaker 2: switched for each one of the businesses and it would
Speaker 2: light up the plate. So and that was right next
Speaker 2: to what they called the Alehouse or the American Bar,
Speaker 2: depending on what time period. It was right there on
Speaker 2: Broadway and Long Branch. So anyway, that's what went on there.
Speaker 2: But that guy, I could imagine him making a deal
Speaker 2: with somebody who was his friend or somebody he owed
Speaker 2: something to or whatever, Hey get my book into the schools,
Speaker 2: and maybe that's what it was. He might be right.
Speaker 2: His name is yeah, his name is alone. I think
Speaker 2: his son just retired from being a congressman not long ago. Polone,
Speaker 2: Frank Polone.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Yeah, okay, I know it bugs the audience, but
Speaker 1: too bad, too said, until someone close in. I want
Speaker 1: to talk to FK.
Speaker 2: Okay, go for it.
Speaker 13: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, actually I have questions. I can't remember that guy
Speaker 1: that was in Cuban jail with the last name car
Speaker 1: That was a fake name. What was his real name?
Speaker 2: H bpte. I am drawing a blank. I know what
Speaker 2: he's referring to car Yeah.
Speaker 4: A r R or k E r R or I think.
Speaker 2: It was c A r R.
Speaker 1: I remember, right, yes, but it's a fake name. But
Speaker 1: that's what he was going by when he was in
Speaker 1: jail in Cuba. But I can't think of his real
Speaker 1: name right now, and it's really bugging me.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of it. I can't. I'm drawing
Speaker 2: a blank to be honest with you.
Speaker 5: Richard Randolph car.
Speaker 2: Well again, like he said, it was an assumed name.
Speaker 4: It was in jail in Cuba.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I remember he was a bugger.
Speaker 2: See. I'm thinking the prison was like the Cabana or
Speaker 2: something like that prison I just can't think of this
Speaker 2: guy's name. Damn. You know this is this is when
Speaker 2: you can't. And there was some confusion too, because there
Speaker 2: was a Cuban guy who had a name like Carr,
Speaker 2: but it was Coorista or something like that, and that
Speaker 2: was a mix up and it wasn't this guy either.
Speaker 2: He's right, it's a fake name that was given and
Speaker 2: this guy was imprisoned under the fake name, and I
Speaker 2: just can't think of who the hell it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really bug milk, because last night I reread
Speaker 1: that manuscript, or actually the notes on the manuscript that
Speaker 1: was written by Howard Hunt, and he was using his
Speaker 1: fake name from back then, Hamilton. Yeah, right, even though
Speaker 1: all the Cubis were under the impression that he was Eduardo,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. And yet his official cover name was something
Speaker 1: something Hamilton. What the hell.
Speaker 2: Stupid question for you? It wasn't the That wasn't the
Speaker 2: fake name that Brengair gave.
Speaker 1: Was it Carl Springer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't the because when.
Speaker 1: Nah, it wasn't him, because this guy was a legitimate
Speaker 1: CIA agent. Okay, look, I mean lucky for him, they
Speaker 1: never realized it. That was just his cover.
Speaker 2: Name, right, no, I just I just.
Speaker 1: Made coming up in that. It kept coming up in
Speaker 1: that E. Howard Hunt's manuscript of a book to see.
Speaker 1: I got hold of the manuscript and it's in the records,
Speaker 1: and he kept referencing. He referenced that jail and that
Speaker 1: guy car and I was like, oh, yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: not his real name. And I was trying to remember
Speaker 1: his real name.
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't the original manuscript. Forgive us this day, right,
Speaker 2: It wasn't that.
Speaker 1: It was that's the book, that's the it's the notes
Speaker 1: on that manuscript.
Speaker 2: Okay. See, I'm telling you, I'm all around it in
Speaker 2: my brain. It's so hard to remember every single detail
Speaker 2: on these things. B Pete. I mean, do you do
Speaker 2: you have any any clue on this? I'm reaching for
Speaker 2: it and I can't quite get it.
Speaker 14: Man.
Speaker 2: It's one of these, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, Well, what did the guy do other than
Speaker 4: go to jail in Cuba?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that would help.
Speaker 1: Well, he got caught. He got caught bugging. He used
Speaker 1: to install electrial devices. That's why he went to prison. Okay,
Speaker 1: but this is they thought that he was in with
Speaker 1: the Mafield, but he wasn't.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Castro put him in prison though, right, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: so it's during that time period, and they did catch
Speaker 2: a bunch of you there's a handful of CIA guys
Speaker 2: that they caught through in prison and then you know,
Speaker 2: they paid the fine, so to speak, and they got out.
Speaker 2: And he must have been one of those guys, right,
Speaker 2: like somebody paid for him to get released, and they
Speaker 2: never found out who he was out, but.
Speaker 1: It was like a year and a half two years later.
Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't have a fun time.
Speaker 2: Well, it took a while for them to get even
Speaker 2: some some pretty high level mob guys out of prison
Speaker 2: when Castro started tossing people in prison. Uh, and some
Speaker 2: of those high level mob eys I.
Speaker 1: Got out a way quicker, way quicker than the Bay
Speaker 1: of Pigs characters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the big names. But some of the guys whose
Speaker 2: names you know aren't at the top of the list
Speaker 2: didn't get out that quick. Some of them had to
Speaker 2: sit there for a while. I mean I know that
Speaker 2: for a fact. There was you know, some guys from
Speaker 2: Chicago that's out there. I mean, you know, not the
Speaker 2: big names. Those guys got out right away, you know,
Speaker 2: they got paid. Jack Ruby went down there to secure
Speaker 2: what uh traffic Anti right, wasn't it traffic Anti he
Speaker 2: got released? Or am I mixing that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Trump, No, you're right traffic Khanie. And I
Speaker 1: got a question for that crazy Raoul Cash troule. Why
Speaker 1: did he tell when traffic Khannie got loose, Rabel was
Speaker 1: letting them out, and he told them, don't let the
Speaker 1: bastards get you down. What the hell does that mean?
Speaker 1: What are they buddies? What are they talking about? He
Speaker 1: just got them, putting them in.
Speaker 2: Jail because he knew he was going back to America,
Speaker 2: and it was just like, look, you know, sorry about
Speaker 2: having to do what we had to do to you,
Speaker 2: but you know, screw America basically. And these guys didn't
Speaker 2: realize that mob guys are not anti American. I don't
Speaker 2: know why people think they are, but they're not. They
Speaker 2: never were. They're usually actually pretty patriotic in a weird way.
Speaker 2: Your mob guys, you know, they don't love the irs
Speaker 2: or the prison system, but pro American for the most part.
Speaker 2: You know, they wouldn't have had to pay any of
Speaker 2: those guys to help out with the docs in World
Speaker 2: War Two if they had asked the right person at
Speaker 2: the right time. They wouldn't had to even pay a favor.
Speaker 2: They could have gotten that for free out of the mob. Guys,
Speaker 2: they would have been happy, you know. And quite frankly,
Speaker 2: in some years from now, you're gonna find out that
Speaker 2: even during the quote War on Terror, that some Italian
Speaker 2: businessmen were more than helpful with you know, hey, screwed
Speaker 2: those people, you know. You know, I might be a criminal,
Speaker 2: but I'm an American. Screwed them, you know, and they
Speaker 2: were trying to be helpful to the Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 2: I know it's not public knowledge now, but it will be,
Speaker 2: I promise you. I mean much like you guys learned
Speaker 2: about Lucky Luciano much later and the stuff that he did.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he tried to secure his release, but
Speaker 2: he only wanted to be sent, you know, to back
Speaker 2: to Sicily and freed, you know, as opposed to sitting
Speaker 2: in a prison here. But he was no problem helping
Speaker 2: out with the ports, and you want to help with
Speaker 2: the invasion of Sicily had no problem. But they probably
Speaker 2: could have gotten that for free even if Lucky wasn't
Speaker 2: in jail, because Italians are more than happy.
Speaker 1: I learned about that and oh, I'm sorry, go ahead
Speaker 1: be Pete.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, go ahead. BP wasn't saying we'll get
Speaker 2: to be Pete after. What were you saying?
Speaker 1: I think BP was going to say something by.
Speaker 4: No, I'm sitting here.
Speaker 5: I'm still googling, trying to figure out this guy named car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I figured you were doing. So I
Speaker 2: was letting you, letting you at.
Speaker 4: It, but I can't find anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't think of it. My brain is not
Speaker 2: giving it to me. I'm not trying to look it
Speaker 2: up right now because it's impossible. But but I don't know.
Speaker 1: If you look on BP, if you look on Mary Ferrell,
Speaker 1: there's a thing, a chapter called sudo Suit in them.
Speaker 1: It's gotta be in there.
Speaker 2: You're talking about the kryptonyms. Uh, normal, the Kryptonis.
Speaker 1: And there's an actual another chapter. No, yeah, no, this
Speaker 1: one's in particular pseudonyms. Okay, so it would be listed
Speaker 1: on that list, not crypto.
Speaker 2: Fair enough? All right, Well, anyways, with all that in mind,
Speaker 2: let's see how deep are we on time? Here? Jeez,
Speaker 2: do you know we've been on almost an hour? Be
Speaker 2: Pete actually over there?
Speaker 4: ALIAS, All right, I'll.
Speaker 2: Tell you what you go ahead and look through the
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Speaker 2: whether it's four twenty or not, I mean, please stop
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Speaker 10: I'm doing just fine. We here watching my granddaughter who
Speaker 10: fell asleep. But I'm I want to spit on my mind.
Speaker 10: You had Larry Hancock last night and you were discussing
Speaker 10: the RFK assassination. And matter of fact, I'm looking out
Speaker 10: the window at the very spot when I first heard
Speaker 10: it lasting on one.
Speaker 4: Of my neighbors TVs that he was assassinated.
Speaker 10: But what I found was really interesting in your discussion Larry,
Speaker 10: and you discussed possible was there any investigation foreign influence
Speaker 10: of the RFK assassination, and you brought up the Iranian
Speaker 10: Savakh and there in southern California there's a large Persian
Speaker 10: population has been there for a long time. Were you
Speaker 10: aware of that or Larry?
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, okay, okay.
Speaker 10: And then I was just recently, I don't have it
Speaker 10: in front of me. I was reading Lawrence Walh's book
Speaker 10: cover Up was that the Irain Contra, and it was
Speaker 10: talking about Bud McFarlane. His first connection to intelligence in
Speaker 10: Iran was a Exabak number, and he also had it
Speaker 10: was almost like a double agent with Israelian intelligence.
Speaker 4: I don't have its name, but are you so?
Speaker 10: I just found it really interesting. Can you stand on that?
Speaker 10: Do you know any more about any investigation? Because when
Speaker 10: I've looked at the RFK, I never heard of that,
Speaker 10: and it just kind of really captured my imagination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are several people in fact, even connected to
Speaker 2: Iranian diplomat that were present at the ambassador number one,
Speaker 2: uh number two. For listeners that don't know, the Savakh
Speaker 2: is the secret police basically in Iran.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: They're kind of a multifaceted intelligence agency and they were
Speaker 2: extremely brutal. They were trained and implemented by our CIA effectively,
Speaker 2: and yeah, they were the uh, you know, the the
Speaker 2: ultimate secret police for the Shaw of Iran. And when
Speaker 2: we talk about the Shaw of Iran or the more
Speaker 2: modern known Shaw of Iran, the one that you know
Speaker 2: came here to die in the US in the late
Speaker 2: seventies and all that. That guy was Western educated and
Speaker 2: essentially installed by United States intelligence services after the overthrow
Speaker 2: of Mohammed Mozdek, who was you know, uh, supposedly a
Speaker 2: secular leader and was duly elected by the people. So
Speaker 2: before the uh you know, the Mullahs and all that
Speaker 2: took over, before the Sharia law type Islamic council, because
Speaker 2: they have a they have a what what they call
Speaker 2: a oh my goodness, what do we describe that as they.
Speaker 10: Have like a parliament.
Speaker 2: Well, they have a constitution, right, and the constitution you know,
Speaker 2: gives them rights and has a structure to it and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. But every part of their constitution might
Speaker 2: as well effectively read no matter what we do here
Speaker 2: as a country or as a government, this Islamic Council
Speaker 2: has to approve of everything. And that was the implementation
Speaker 2: that was brought into being because of the backlash the
Speaker 2: removal the taking out of the Shah of Iran, which
Speaker 2: initially installed by our CIA. So you know, there's a
Speaker 2: whole backstory to that. And meanwhile, you know, look, Sir
Speaker 2: Hahn is Palestinian, and you know, there's a whole theory.
Speaker 2: It's kind of difficult to get into what was his
Speaker 2: motive if he was claiming not to remember anything for
Speaker 2: a long time. That was Larry's point about it. But
Speaker 2: there's plenty of stuff to get into here regarding international
Speaker 2: influence did somebody position him. And I'm not even going
Speaker 2: with the whole menture in candidate thing. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: not Lisa pas all right. So the thing is, I
Speaker 2: don't know how to take all that. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: it's completely illegitimate. But if we look at it from
Speaker 2: any angle, there's a lot of strange occurrences here, and
Speaker 2: there are various players that one could point to, and
Speaker 2: strangely enough, some of it leads to Iranian secret police.
Speaker 2: And at that time, in sixty eight, they still in charge,
Speaker 2: and you know, they would disappear people and you know,
Speaker 2: you want to talk about renditioning people and black sites
Speaker 2: and all that. Believe me, they had a down pat
Speaker 2: in Iran. And the Savak was brutal and vicious to
Speaker 2: any you know, political opposition, any outspoken opposition to the Shaw.
Speaker 2: And like I stated that the Shaw of Iran that
Speaker 2: we talk about is the son of the former Shaw
Speaker 2: of Iran. And again in Arabic shaw is a king.
Speaker 2: So the former Iranian king that was deposed previously returns
Speaker 2: in the form of his son. And again, you know,
Speaker 2: the brutal secret police was the Savak. So I think
Speaker 2: that background is necessary if people don't know about it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, there's intrigue there and a lot of leads
Speaker 2: not followed up on. But there are some curiously interesting
Speaker 2: people present at the Ambassador Hotel. And I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about the the crazy thing where you know, there was
Speaker 2: a film a few years ago and they tried to
Speaker 2: place like, you know, eight CIA agents on the films
Speaker 2: and all this stuff, and turns out that work wasn't
Speaker 2: exactly solid. You know, there's a lot to it. But
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there wasn't CIA people there present.
Speaker 2: There wasn't you know, some interest in the CIA following
Speaker 2: around some of the people who were there probably there
Speaker 2: including people that, like I said, were connected to you know,
Speaker 2: various diplomatic foreign diplomatic posts and stuff. And just like
Speaker 2: we know from our own diplomatic posts across the world,
Speaker 2: I mean, more than half of them. If you read
Speaker 2: some of the recent documentation in the JFK case, you know,
Speaker 2: our internal government documents show well we know that more
Speaker 2: than half of our diplomatic attaches across the world they're
Speaker 2: pretty much CIA plants, you know, So there's no reason
Speaker 2: to assume that a other countries wouldn't do that as well.
Speaker 2: And b we're talking about, you know, some fairly vicious,
Speaker 2: fairly extreme people that maybe didn't want a guy like
Speaker 2: Bobby Kennedy to get anywhere near the presidency because god
Speaker 2: knows what would have happened to him. Because the Kennedy's
Speaker 2: on the Middle East is an interesting topic now, you know,
Speaker 2: some people have tried to twist that into you know,
Speaker 2: the Masad killed him because you know, everything leads back
Speaker 2: to the Jews. All roads lead to the Jews, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and that's what they do. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying there's nothing to that, but he can't. You
Speaker 2: need evidence to tie the Masade to this and it's
Speaker 2: not there. Oh, they didn't want him to get the bomb.
Speaker 2: They already had the bomb. Shut up, you know. Well, no,
Speaker 2: they didn't want him to be able to do this
Speaker 2: and that, and they were already doing that. The only
Speaker 2: thing Bobby Kennedy wanted a PAK registered as a hostile
Speaker 2: foreign group. You know, maybe they weren't the most pro
Speaker 2: Israeli cabinet saw the Kennedys, all right, but they also
Speaker 2: weren't you know, vehemently against them and some sort of enemy. Oh,
Speaker 2: they had this problem with Ben Gurin who you know.
Speaker 2: All that stuff is just people who want to find
Speaker 2: a way to attach their paranoia about the Jews run
Speaker 2: the world. Want to hang the Kennedy assassination on them too,
Speaker 2: so you know. And I'm not somebody who's a fan
Speaker 2: of the Nation State of Israel, mind you. I think
Speaker 2: they need to be called out more. And I think
Speaker 2: it's been brutality they've committed to many and etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 2: And I do not like the fact that the United
Speaker 2: States stands with them so much. But even with that said,
Speaker 2: I can't I you know, you need evidence to hang
Speaker 2: a crime on even an intelligence agency, so they don't
Speaker 2: have it. When it comes to the whole the massade
Speaker 2: killed him. It was the Jewish mafia and the massad
Speaker 2: see Jack Rubinstein. Uh, you know, no, it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: It's stupid. But anyway, I'm sorry, I I I felt
Speaker 2: like I needed to add that. But what else are
Speaker 2: you thinking? You're reading the rf case, have you been
Speaker 2: reading any of the RFK stuff or do you know
Speaker 2: about that or know about report?
Speaker 10: The only thing I you know, go from memory as
Speaker 10: a child that the only the only book that I
Speaker 10: really read on r K was was Lisa P's book,
Speaker 10: and I thought she made a lot of good points.
Speaker 10: The whole man sharing Kennedy that never really that I
Speaker 10: don't know if I could buy that, if that made
Speaker 10: any sense. I just found that when you when when
Speaker 10: you and Larry brought up the subject of the Savah
Speaker 10: and that kind of made a lot of sense, not
Speaker 10: that they were guilty, that they would have maybe should
Speaker 10: have been investigated, because you know, here in California at
Speaker 10: that time, there was a lot of a lot of
Speaker 10: Iranian students were, you know, here being educated in the
Speaker 10: university system here right in what was going on. There
Speaker 10: was the protests movement going on a lot of the
Speaker 10: California schools here, So definitely there would be intelligence, you know,
Speaker 10: thinking are these students here getting an educator, are they
Speaker 10: getting ideas you know, with you know, maybe you know,
Speaker 10: trying to change the government of the shop. You know,
Speaker 10: I just thought it was just I just never thought.
Speaker 2: Of that in nineteen Yeah, in nineteen sixty eight, co
Speaker 2: Intel pro was too busy destroying the Black Panthers and
Speaker 2: going after all the student unions. Whether they were violent
Speaker 2: or not, they didn't care, you know, And so they
Speaker 2: were busy with that kind of stuff, and so, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think they were as focused on Iran at
Speaker 2: that time, and I don't think they bothered with it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It was sort of like when jay A Groover would
Speaker 2: it would get asked, well, what about the mafia, and
Speaker 2: you go, well, there's no mafia.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, if you want to ignore it, you can,
Speaker 2: I guess, but I wouldn't have. And if you want
Speaker 2: to read something for free, okay, check out those links
Speaker 2: that I gave you. If you want to read a
Speaker 2: book on the RFK assassination for free, Larry Hancock has
Speaker 2: a whole thing on there that they didn't make into
Speaker 2: a book quite but it might as well be. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's links in the show notes to that show you
Speaker 2: were listening to on the Mary Farrell website. You know what,
Speaker 2: I'll try and get it for the chat room real
Speaker 2: fast and I'll put it in there. But it's on
Speaker 2: the show notes for the show and he wrote that
Speaker 2: years ago. It's like six sections, but it's basically like
Speaker 2: a book online for free at Mary farrell website. If
Speaker 2: you want to, you know, get a good historical read.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what else I would suggest and some
Speaker 2: people are going to think I'm crazy when I say this,
Speaker 2: But if you can get a hold of a copy
Speaker 2: of the original book that was written by the guy
Speaker 2: who headed up the actual investigation, which took place in California,
Speaker 2: they called it Special Unit, Senator. You heard Larry refer
Speaker 2: to the s US directors. Yeah, yeah, Well that was
Speaker 2: Special Unit, Senator. That was what they called the police
Speaker 2: unit that was brought together to investigate the RFK assassination.
Speaker 2: Because it was a crime committee in California. It was
Speaker 2: a local situation, and so that's why the majority of
Speaker 2: evidence that would have been gathered here is actually in
Speaker 2: your archives in Sacramento. I don't know if they make
Speaker 2: it available online. Last I looked, they didn't make a
Speaker 2: lot available, but it might have changed. And that's where
Speaker 2: you could find information, is that the archives and Sacramento.
Speaker 2: But Special Unit, Senator, if you can get a hold
Speaker 2: of that original book it was written by the guy
Speaker 2: who headed up that investigation, I would suggest that. And
Speaker 2: I would suggest that a lot of documentaries, including stuff
Speaker 2: the older stuff that was done by a guy named
Speaker 2: Philip Milanson was pretty interesting. And there is something out
Speaker 2: there called evidence of revision. Okay, which is a compilation
Speaker 2: of a whole bunch of old documentaries and archival footage
Speaker 2: and all this kind of stuff. And it's actually grown
Speaker 2: into an eight hour long film series where they do
Speaker 2: a section on the JFK assassination, RFK assassination, MK ultrast
Speaker 2: slash Jonestown, and they do the final section is now
Speaker 2: on mlk's assassination. And it's like an eight hour long
Speaker 2: thing where they've culled together a lot of clips from
Speaker 2: like hundreds of different documentaries and like I said, archival sources,
Speaker 2: news reports, all kinds of stuff, and it's really an
Speaker 2: interesting rush of information. Is it all one hundred percent accurate? No,
Speaker 2: but it gives you the lay of the land regarding
Speaker 2: about thirty years worth of investigation in to RFK. And
Speaker 2: also the probably available online is a documentary called The
Speaker 2: Second Gun. The guy's name who did it originally, I
Speaker 2: can't remember his name off the top of my head,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's called The Second Gun and jeez, it
Speaker 2: was done by a guy named Ted something or other.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I know it's available for free on YouTube.
Speaker 2: But I'll get you the link to that Hancock piece
Speaker 2: that I'm telling you about. It's in six sections on
Speaker 2: the Mary Farrell website. Ok, maybe I'll try and find
Speaker 2: that second gun documentary link on YouTube while I'm at
Speaker 2: at But Pete, Pete, have you ever gone into the
Speaker 2: RFK assassination? Would you have a suggestion, you know, for
Speaker 2: Dan here.
Speaker 5: No, I've really not delved into the RFK and much
Speaker 5: other than the discrepancies between shots fired, where they hid
Speaker 5: what they found.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm really haven't done into it.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, you know, this document dump features Actually people
Speaker 2: are like, oh my god, this has never been available,
Speaker 2: but it was. It just wasn't highly circulated. The autopsy
Speaker 2: information is in there, and even photographs, by the way,
Speaker 2: along with a lot of the exhibits that were gathered
Speaker 2: against Sir hann you know, his passport, his notebooks, his
Speaker 2: address books, all that kind of stuff is now actually
Speaker 2: in a pretty pretty clearly, nicely reproduced digital form there
Speaker 2: in that file collection. So yeah, Larry's thing is called
Speaker 2: Incomplete Justice, by the way, just so you know. But
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna get some of
Speaker 2: these let's see Larry Hancock. Yeah, I'm gonna get like
Speaker 2: a bunch of the show notes from last night and
Speaker 2: drop them into the yeah, into the chat room here,
Speaker 2: and even the link to Jefferson Morley talking to Larry
Speaker 2: about it, which was a much less detailed discussion than
Speaker 2: what I did with Larry, you know, for some reason,
Speaker 2: you know, and Jeff is out there trying to say that,
Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't think the autopsy photos should be
Speaker 2: shown in public. I don't understand that when it comes
Speaker 2: to the JFK case at this point. I don't know
Speaker 2: why he's saying that at all. But there's even a
Speaker 2: couple of interesting academic papers that were produced regarding different
Speaker 2: elements of the case, by the way, and stuff having
Speaker 2: to do with the Savakh in the show notes from
Speaker 2: last night. But again, I'll put it in the chatroom
Speaker 2: at ochelli dot com. And you can usually see stuff
Speaker 2: in my chat room when you roll it back if
Speaker 2: you like and you're listening later, or you can see it,
Speaker 2: you know, on the show notes anytime, guys. So anyway, Oh,
Speaker 2: in the chat room, somebody's saying, now it's just reloaded
Speaker 2: on me. But somebody's saying that the second clip of
Speaker 2: Nature Boy sounds a bit more like Nature Boy, and
Speaker 2: apparently b Pete. They also say, you look a little
Speaker 2: like Hunter S. Thompson in their mind's eye. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's a compliment or not. Uh oh well,
Speaker 2: but in their in their mind's eye, you look like
Speaker 2: Hunter s. Thompson got more hair than okay, uh and
Speaker 2: either one of you has more hair than either Nature
Speaker 2: Boy or is doppelganger. So it is what it is.
Speaker 2: But there you go. There's a special unit, Senator. All
Speaker 2: that stuff that I was talking about on the show
Speaker 2: last night. And like I say, I'll try and find
Speaker 2: that that YouTube clip too, because I know I've I've
Speaker 2: had it in my playlist somewhere. But anyway, but you
Speaker 2: never got into the RFK stuff.
Speaker 4: Huh No, I haven't jumped into it much.
Speaker 5: I mean other than some interviews, you know, when the
Speaker 5: interviews that Rosie Career gave and about what happened. I've
Speaker 5: just I've not been able to match up shots with
Speaker 5: where they say they pulled bullets.
Speaker 4: Fun. So yeah, one was you know, wide open to me, Well.
Speaker 2: There's that, and it was Ted Sharrak. That's the guy's name.
Speaker 2: I just thought of it, Ted Sharrak. Okay, that's the
Speaker 2: guy who created the documentary The Second Gun, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, even today, people that make documentaries are still
Speaker 2: pulling archival footage from that original documentary, which I think
Speaker 2: he put out in like seventy two or seventy four,
Speaker 2: somewhere in there in the early seventies initially, and it
Speaker 2: became part of the VHS releases that they did on
Speaker 2: There was one company in the in the mid to
Speaker 2: late eighties that did a whole bunch of these home
Speaker 2: video releases. I'm trying to think of the name of
Speaker 2: the damn company, but MPI that's what it is, MPI
Speaker 2: Home Video, and they put out JFK documentaries, even old ones,
Speaker 2: new ones, everything. At a certain point, they even released
Speaker 2: John Barber's documentary on VHS briefly in The Lady in
Speaker 2: like eighty eight around the twenty fifth anniversary. They might
Speaker 2: release Barber's documentary later, I forget, but either way, MPI
Speaker 2: Home Video is the company that did it for a
Speaker 2: little bit, and I'm certain they're out of business now
Speaker 2: because I've known people that have tried to make contact
Speaker 2: with him for original, the original film that they made
Speaker 2: the tapes off of of these different documentaries because they
Speaker 2: wanted to restore them digitally. Yeah good.
Speaker 5: I started watching one today and we'll go back and
Speaker 5: watch the rest of it when we get off the air.
Speaker 4: This one was done, and I was going to send
Speaker 4: you a link to it to see if you had
Speaker 4: watched it yet. Sure, American River Media Group LLC is
Speaker 4: apparently the guys back in this thing, but it was
Speaker 4: the guy's name.
Speaker 2: Documentaries. Just for the record here, I mean, I used
Speaker 2: to have a massive collection of them. I had about
Speaker 2: three hundred documentaries on VHS alone before the ex wife
Speaker 2: destroyed everything. I had sets of three hundred of all
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is one Brent Holland did.
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't Okay, I didn't watch Brent Hollins, but
Speaker 2: Brent had put out an hour long one that he
Speaker 2: sent to Lancer last year, and he did another one
Speaker 2: the year that you and I went. I don't think
Speaker 2: we saw it when we were there. I think we
Speaker 2: were at the table probably when they ran it on
Speaker 2: the screen.
Speaker 5: Well, this is run under the site Best Documentaries, Okay,
Speaker 5: and I started watching it.
Speaker 4: One of the first people that they bring up in
Speaker 4: the thing is Beverly Oliver.
Speaker 5: So I thought, you know, I'm really not going to
Speaker 5: get much out of this if that's his Pipe of Witness.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of stuff look sadly, there was a
Speaker 2: lot of like good documentaries that included a lot of
Speaker 2: bad or poor, poorly sourced people in the late eighties
Speaker 2: and early nineties. So you could get a really good
Speaker 2: documentary and then the next thing you would see is
Speaker 2: Beverly Oliver pop up, you know what I mean, or
Speaker 2: even worse, the guy who swore he was there at
Speaker 2: a military Gordon Arnold, that guy.
Speaker 4: You know, he was familiar with friend Holland stuff.
Speaker 5: But you know, like I said, ten minutes into this
Speaker 5: and I was already seeing Beverly Oliver, and I'm sitting
Speaker 5: here going on, i'm't waste my time on the rest
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing is Brent Holland is an interesting
Speaker 2: guy because he's done some cool stuff, but he also
Speaker 2: believes some bad stuff. He believes Beverly Oliver. But he
Speaker 2: also interviewed Ted Sorenson just before he died, right, He
Speaker 2: did a decent book. He presented at Lancer in person
Speaker 2: a couple of times. You know, he's from Canada, and
Speaker 2: I guarantee over the years, at some point you probably
Speaker 2: heard radio a radio show that was turned into a
Speaker 2: podcast and the name of the show was night Fright Radio.
Speaker 2: You ever heard that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody made a mention to that in one of
Speaker 5: the comments, Brent Holland of night Fight Channel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you probably have heard it, because there was
Speaker 2: a certain point at which, you know, there wasn't that
Speaker 2: much of this stuff circulating around and the internet doesn't
Speaker 2: look like it did today, And so sometime around I
Speaker 2: don't know, two thousand and five he might have done
Speaker 2: those shows. He did him on a Canadian radio station
Speaker 2: and they sort of circulated among JFK researchers, and I
Speaker 2: think that's how he became popular. But he actually had,
Speaker 2: up until recently, a regular TV show on a Canada station,
Speaker 2: and he was for a while on a radio station
Speaker 2: in Canada, like regular radio, like that was his job
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. But when he did
Speaker 2: this thing where he did like a four night JFK special,
Speaker 2: must have been two thousand and three, but maybe maybe
Speaker 2: it was around the fortieth anniversary. He like brought on
Speaker 2: some really good people for four consecutive nights and did
Speaker 2: in depth discussions and it was really good. But at
Speaker 2: that time he did it like on a college radio
Speaker 2: station where they just kind of let him use the place.
Speaker 2: I think he had either been friends with somebody going
Speaker 2: there or he was a former student there, and they
Speaker 2: just like let him use the radio station. And this
Speaker 2: thing started to circulate as an MP three And to me,
Speaker 2: that's how Brent Holland got known internationally was from that
Speaker 2: because at a certain point in the early two thousands
Speaker 2: every friend I had in the JFK community had heard
Speaker 2: that show.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It was like, hey, you know this guy. Now I
Speaker 2: don't know him, but he did a pretty interesting show,
Speaker 2: you know. So anyway, if you can get a hold
Speaker 2: of that, I found the second gun thing there, Danny,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put that in the chatroom at ochelli dot com.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm sorry I took some of the
Speaker 2: time where I couldn't. I should have let you speak, Danny,
Speaker 2: but I was trying to get kind of things straight here.
Speaker 2: What else did you have in case I cut you
Speaker 2: off too early? Man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 10: You didn't cut me off. I enjoyed listening and the
Speaker 10: information I can provide. My issue is always time to
Speaker 10: go through. I work too much. But yeah, I'll check
Speaker 10: it out now because the only the only real you know,
Speaker 10: when when the assassination here in California. You know, it's
Speaker 10: just not one of the national news, but all over
Speaker 10: the local news. I mean I was a kid, but
Speaker 10: I mean it was in everybody's mind when it happened.
Speaker 10: And I just happen to remember the very pocinct that
Speaker 10: in June day, being outside playing in my neighbor's yard
Speaker 10: and hearing it over the TV, you know, from the
Speaker 10: end of the window because it was a hot day,
Speaker 10: and hearing it. But like I said, I did the
Speaker 10: LEAs a p's book, And like I said, I didn't
Speaker 10: buying have been man sharing candidate, but I found it
Speaker 10: real fa. You know, there was far more bullets than gun.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 10: Then was you know that it was in Sir Hann's
Speaker 10: firearm and then where he was position of Mattill shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two majors, right, impossible. The two major problems when
Speaker 2: you start to get into details here is that no
Speaker 2: one in the world would dispute that Sir Han was
Speaker 2: in front of Robert F. Kennedy, even though they were
Speaker 2: in a small space. It was in that pantry, there
Speaker 2: was stuff in the way, people in the way, but
Speaker 2: he was in front of him three feet six feet however,
Speaker 2: you want to place that gun and that person away
Speaker 2: from Robert F. Kennedy's in front of him, right, So
Speaker 2: that's one thing. The second thing is that Robert F. Kennedy,
Speaker 2: according to Thomas Negucci, and he got fired and in
Speaker 2: trouble and then had to get reinstated after revealing the
Speaker 2: truth that Robert F. Kennedy was clearly least in one
Speaker 2: case shot in the back of the head. The stiffling
Speaker 2: was on the rear of his ear. He did the
Speaker 2: proper tests, he forensically, you know, and people attacked him
Speaker 2: and attacked his credibility and tried to take away his profession.
Speaker 2: And Thomas Negucci has stuck by that story and always
Speaker 2: has that I'm sorry, but you have stiffling from this
Speaker 2: small caliber pistol, which means that it has to be
Speaker 2: one to three inches I think he said, I forget,
Speaker 2: but either way, a very small amount from his ear. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: and the footage that most people play that was from nineteen,
Speaker 2: you know, from the late sixties that most people play
Speaker 2: where you see a very young Thomas Negucci comes from
Speaker 2: that movie, that documentary that I just put the link
Speaker 2: to the second gun where you see him talk about
Speaker 2: it and he said one to three inches like that,
Speaker 2: he says it it's on that documentary. Okay, so you'll
Speaker 2: recognize some of the footage that. Like I said, even
Speaker 2: modern current documentary filmmakers keep using and recycling in that thing.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I used to collect documentaries. I
Speaker 2: love documentaries. So yeah, any links people have, the new
Speaker 2: ones ones I haven't seen, I love them. I love
Speaker 2: getting them on DVD. Still, I appreciate them, and I
Speaker 2: wish one day that, you know, if I got really rich,
Speaker 2: I would definitely reconstitute my documentary film collection. But I'll
Speaker 2: tell you one of the prized original pieces of footage
Speaker 2: that I had from the RFK assassination. I had many
Speaker 2: things that were rare and interesting in the JFK case,
Speaker 2: but RFK I had the CBS camera tape unedited, not
Speaker 2: the aired version, but they left a camera on from
Speaker 2: before Kennedy comes in the Ambassador ballroom all the way
Speaker 2: until after the chaos starts and people are running out
Speaker 2: of there, and then people are filing out in a daze.
Speaker 2: I had the one stationary camera that's toward the back
Speaker 2: of that ballroom, and I had the uncut camera footage.
Speaker 2: It's like four hours long, okay, And I owned that
Speaker 2: for years and I haven't seen anybody say that they
Speaker 2: even possess that I got that. I used to do
Speaker 2: a lot of tape trading. I traded audio tapes, bootleg concerts,
Speaker 2: and of course, with my historical interest, if I knew
Speaker 2: people that worked in TV or worked at a radio station,
Speaker 2: I used to ask for things that I knew you
Speaker 2: could only get from there TV networks or if you
Speaker 2: worked for a satellite company, or people that work for
Speaker 2: film companies. And I've had I had my hands on
Speaker 2: some interesting stuff. But in the RFK case, it was
Speaker 2: that one thing, a camera at the rear of the
Speaker 2: ballroom that captures a lot of this stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: So I know that that exists. I didn't have the
Speaker 2: only copy, so I know somewhere out there in you know, America,
Speaker 2: there's got to be somebody else that has a full
Speaker 2: on And I had broadcast quality copy, so guaranteed somebody's
Speaker 2: got a copy of that. And I know more than
Speaker 2: one researcher would like to see it, because guess what,
Speaker 2: you can see a lot of interesting people. In fact,
Speaker 2: I never could prove it because I never had anybody
Speaker 2: analyze it with me, and I never did any alteration
Speaker 2: on it. But there might be a point at which
Speaker 2: we can see Sirhan somewhere in there. And I know
Speaker 2: I see Scott Yer. Yeah, I know, I see Scott
Speaker 2: and I can follow Scott Enyer into the pantry on
Speaker 2: that tape. Okay, So I'm just telling you there is
Speaker 2: a tape out there that runs for four hours uncut,
Speaker 2: and I bet you can see a lot of people
Speaker 2: coming in and out, So I leave it at that.
Speaker 2: I also can see some of the security guards. I
Speaker 2: can't identify him, but there's also an interesting character named
Speaker 2: Thane Eugene Caesar, who indeed maybe the guy who who
Speaker 2: fired on Robert F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy.
Speaker 2: I'm not certain, but he could be anyway.
Speaker 3: It is what it is.
Speaker 10: But yeah, it was good, wasn't He's somehow connectedly if
Speaker 10: I'm got it wrong to Robert Mayhew.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Caesar was work worked for the security He worked for
Speaker 2: the security company, one of the security companies that you
Speaker 2: know did security, and that night he was a security guard,
Speaker 2: you know, because of the extra uh people that were
Speaker 2: the extra you know, the extra people at the venue.
Speaker 2: They they wanted additional security, not much, but they brought
Speaker 2: in a couple of years, so he was kind of
Speaker 2: like a last minute security ad guy. I'm sure you were.
Speaker 2: A thousand accusations have been made against Caesar. One of
Speaker 2: the more interesting ones is that he owned a weapon
Speaker 2: that you know, matches the caliber and type that could
Speaker 2: have been used on Kennedy, and he sold it right afterwards,
Speaker 2: right after the event. And another interesting little piece of
Speaker 2: trivia is if you ever look at the famous picture
Speaker 2: of Robert Kennedy laying on the floor right right, Uh,
Speaker 2: there's a a tie laying next to him. It's a
Speaker 2: clip on tie, right, Okay, that's literally the clip on tie.
Speaker 2: He pulled off a thing Eugene Caesar's uniform when he
Speaker 2: was falling down. When he was falling down, Yeah, so
Speaker 2: he was so he was that close.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I just remember hearing something that was book It was
Speaker 10: was he connected to Robert Mayhew?
Speaker 4: Impossible.
Speaker 10: I believe that Howard Hughes organization. And maybe I have
Speaker 10: that wrong, Maybe my memories a little foggy, and maybe I.
Speaker 4: Might be mixing that up.
Speaker 2: Well, no offense, but you living in California, You you
Speaker 2: in California, living in California at the time could have
Speaker 2: either knowingly or unknowingly had connection to Howard Hughes and Mayhew.
Speaker 2: I mean it seems like that that that particular shrub
Speaker 2: has roots that grow in every direction every time I
Speaker 2: looked at it. Yeah, no, I looked at even the
Speaker 2: Playboy magazine stuff and the propaganda that went through and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, people writing articles and Howard Hughes and you
Speaker 2: know the Hughes organization, and I've gone through a lot
Speaker 2: of that stuff. At the end of the day, what
Speaker 2: you have is a lot of fun connecting different pieces
Speaker 2: of things, but it doesn't you know, you can connect
Speaker 2: the world together eventually, but you gotta get some sort
Speaker 2: of evidence that has particular elements to it. And some
Speaker 2: people swear they have it and others, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't care what they swear. They're out of their body
Speaker 2: not no, not no, no. I wouldn't say there's zero
Speaker 2: hard evidence, but there's not enough to connect a complete sentence,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like you can't. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: could maybe say this is evidence, this is evidence, but
Speaker 2: the gap between those two things and then getting to
Speaker 2: the crime itself are difficult. You know, as far as
Speaker 2: I know now there could be somebody who's done newer
Speaker 2: work on this that I don't know about fully up.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, JFK. I feel confident if I tell
Speaker 2: you there's no evidence of something, But when it comes
Speaker 2: to RFK, even though I have studied it, I don't
Speaker 2: feel as confident to tell you about there's no evidence
Speaker 2: for that. But there's certainly not been presented publicly widely
Speaker 2: enough evidence on that to make it a thing. Like
Speaker 2: I said, and Lisa's you know, Lisa does a lot
Speaker 2: of good research, but is she always connecting things together
Speaker 2: with good research? Open question? You know, my mind. And
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be mean to her at all.
Speaker 2: I'm being direct. I've been accused of being mean to
Speaker 2: Lisa Peas in the past, but I'm not being mean
Speaker 2: to her. I'm just being honest. It's just I don't
Speaker 2: I don't agree that she's solved anything or giving us
Speaker 2: anything really solid to run with, even in that new book.
Speaker 2: My mind.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I enjoyed her new but like I said, when
Speaker 10: you got in the whole, you know, you was hypnotized,
Speaker 10: mind controlled. I just that's just that's just kind of
Speaker 10: that's the that's the one thing on that book that
Speaker 10: kind of really through threw me off, because this is
Speaker 10: how a hard time buying it that anybody could be
Speaker 10: subjected to. And the only strange fact is that sir
Speaker 10: and claims that he doesn't remember anything you also brought
Speaker 10: up he's did bought, sir handing that has been brought
Speaker 10: up on to be paroled, and he'll never get paroled.
Speaker 10: I mean, I mean, I'm no governor here is going
Speaker 10: to do it.
Speaker 4: It's political.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say he did get paroled.
Speaker 2: The governor denied it last time, right, so you know.
Speaker 10: That board did I knew. I knew somebody who went
Speaker 10: up through the correction department on the troll board. You know,
Speaker 10: I don't know if he ever dealt with that case.
Speaker 10: I should have asked about it, but yeah, yeah, Gavin
Speaker 10: Newson did it. He denied it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 10: they they ran a recall. It was a really dumb ring.
Speaker 10: It was a waste of time and money. And so
Speaker 10: I mean all they would do is get fueled to
Speaker 10: just say, you know, to pay them is soft on crying,
Speaker 10: you know, even though their hands probably in reality an
Speaker 10: old man and no threat to.
Speaker 2: Anybody at this point in time. I doubt he's a
Speaker 2: threat to anybody. But here's the muddy water that we're
Speaker 2: always going to have to live with. Regarding Sir Han,
Speaker 2: a couple of things real quick, and I'm being reminded
Speaker 2: that we're almost out of time. I'm sorry that I
Speaker 2: somehow dragged us out of time here during this hour,
Speaker 2: but I think it's worthy to tell you about this
Speaker 2: real fast, Sir answer Han. When it comes to hypnosis
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, there is a curious and strange
Speaker 2: history here, and there are some serious red flags regarding
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Do I think he was a
Speaker 2: mind controlled zombie Manchurian can't know. I do not, but
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that I couldn't be wrong about that. Hold off.
Speaker 2: The thing is this, he was involved in a lot
Speaker 2: of self hypnosis stuff. We also, if you do a
Speaker 2: little digging, find that he had a serious head injury
Speaker 2: at one point. It could be that there is brain
Speaker 2: damage involved here. It could be that he's just full
Speaker 2: of crap. It could be all those things. It could
Speaker 2: be a combination thereof. And here's the other scary thing.
Speaker 2: Jolly West was in his proximity too. Just saying doctor West,
Speaker 2: here he is again, leave that alone. Forget all that
Speaker 2: he was involved in all kinds of self hypnosis. And
Speaker 2: then a very interesting character conducted some hypnotic sessions with
Speaker 2: him too that are taped. They're out there, they're available.
Speaker 2: They're very weird. It's the one if you guys don't
Speaker 2: know what it is. The doctor in quotes the doctor
Speaker 2: conducting this turns around and goes, you son of a bitch.
Speaker 2: During the discussion, I know you got the gun, your
Speaker 2: son of a bitch. What are you gonna do with it?
Speaker 2: Something like that, he says to him. Okay, little hostile
Speaker 2: sounds like to me from the guy conducting the hypnosis session.
Speaker 2: That's a whole weird thing, between the strangeness of some
Speaker 2: of the people that have been there to be his advocate,
Speaker 2: and between the way the legal system handled him and
Speaker 2: the strange connections with his family, including his brother Manir,
Speaker 2: who probably is the one who actually purchased the gun. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm almost competent in calling that a done deal. But
Speaker 2: there's other things there. There's certain family members of his
Speaker 2: that he might have sought to protect. There is a
Speaker 2: strange nexus of people that were supposedly working for and
Speaker 2: against Sir Hans, Sir Han, the people that are supposedly
Speaker 2: defending the Kennedy family, the people who hated the Kennedys
Speaker 2: and wanted to get the investigation over with, And oh
Speaker 2: my god, I don't want another Dallas. Screw this mess.
Speaker 2: And it's LAPD we're talking about. So I'm sorry. But
Speaker 2: my whole life, I've understood LAPD to be welcome to
Speaker 2: the land of corruption. Okay, And that's just the way
Speaker 2: it is. Maybe I'm wrong about all of it, but
Speaker 2: the RFK case, in my mind, is something that should
Speaker 2: have been handled a lot better. At some point Trump's
Speaker 2: document dump. He did what he said he would do,
Speaker 2: But in reality, the federal government doesn't actually have all
Speaker 2: that much outside of what we described last night. So
Speaker 2: here's the deal. Now, the public has access to things
Speaker 2: that other researchers had to work real hard to get
Speaker 2: their hands on a few years ago. Is there anything
Speaker 2: new in there? A few new things, But is it
Speaker 2: going to be of interest? Maybe? Is it going to
Speaker 2: be the smoking gun?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: But here we go. What is that going to make
Speaker 2: RFK Junior happy? I know it's scored points for Trump politically,
Speaker 2: and that's what I think. At the end of the day,
Speaker 2: is interested in. And also I have it on really
Speaker 2: good authority, and I know B Pete's not going to
Speaker 2: like this. Tulci Gabbard has no idea what she should
Speaker 2: be asking certain people to look for. I would like
Speaker 2: it if somebody could step forward and give advice to
Speaker 2: Tulsa Gabbard about what it is she should look for
Speaker 2: and try to release and be an advocate for, because
Speaker 2: Representative Luna is only going to go so far. Jeff
Speaker 2: Moore is our guy, blah blah blah. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, I don't think we're going to
Speaker 2: get much but a whole lot of intellectual masturbation out
Speaker 2: of this unless somebody accidentally drops something really special, and
Speaker 2: it'll be an accident, I assure you. But on RFK,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get much. On MLK, I don't know,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of federal elements that could should
Speaker 2: would have been involved there. But when it comes to RFK,
Speaker 2: somebody would have to press some agencies and good luck
Speaker 2: on that so and there might not be much there
Speaker 2: to begin with, because again California crime. So that's where
Speaker 2: I come down on the RFK thing, and hopefully I
Speaker 2: answered all of your questions as thoroughly as I could,
Speaker 2: and your customer service experience was excellent. Will you fill
Speaker 2: out the survey for me? You know, imagine me with
Speaker 2: one of those jobs. Yeah, bide again soon if or don't,
Speaker 2: what the hell sorry, got it?
Speaker 10: I give it a five star rating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I need a five star rating. And look,
Speaker 2: don't hang up. Somebody's going to ask you a whole
Speaker 2: survey and take up twenty more minutes of your day.
Speaker 2: Come on, hold on. Yeah, I don't think i'd keep
Speaker 2: that job long, but who knows, maybe I would, so, Danny,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you calling in man. Any final drop you
Speaker 2: want to lay on us before we're done.
Speaker 10: No, no, I appreciate your fox and insights on it.
Speaker 10: It's just like I said, it just really purts my intention.
Speaker 10: When you know that you started talking about, you know,
Speaker 10: as anybody asked the question of foreign influence, and when
Speaker 10: you mentioned the Sabak It's just I was sleeping about,
Speaker 10: you know, but with Parland's connection, I don't have the
Speaker 10: name in front of me, and I just thought it
Speaker 10: was really an interesting aspect of the case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like I said, read Larry's stuff on it
Speaker 2: and also read the rest of the rest of the
Speaker 2: pieces for free. You know, there's an academic paper there,
Speaker 2: and there's something else I have there, an article, a
Speaker 2: few things from my show notes. I put them in
Speaker 2: the chatroom middochelli dot com too. Go ahead and read
Speaker 2: that stuff for free, and you know, let me know.
Speaker 2: And who knows, maybe I actually have a PDF book
Speaker 2: or two laying around I could send to you by
Speaker 2: an email as well. If you're really interested in reading
Speaker 2: more on the case, I'll be happy to give you
Speaker 2: what I can, no problem. So that's Danny for the week.
Speaker 2: B Pete. I'm going to give the final couple of
Speaker 2: minutes to you, my brother, because I didn't give you
Speaker 2: much space to talk. I know we went back and
Speaker 2: forth on a few things, but I didn't let you
Speaker 2: get too much and I'm sorry kind of ran right
Speaker 2: the hell out of time as per usual.
Speaker 4: Well, that's fine. I was moving ahead on that one
Speaker 4: at Brent Holland documentary and.
Speaker 5: Emily Oliver apparently has you know, a good effection and
Speaker 5: time and this thing, and she was retelling her story
Speaker 5: of the Yeah, the type Yashika's Super eight camera that
Speaker 5: she had that was you know didn't come out for
Speaker 5: another four years. But she's adapted. She's pretty much like
Speaker 5: Judith and that and the things. She's adapted her story to.
Speaker 4: Get the facts that she got hung up on earlier
Speaker 4: in telling her story. So she's completely rearranged it.
Speaker 5: Apparently a guy she dated ran the Kodak store at
Speaker 5: six Flags of Texas.
Speaker 2: She dated a lot of Rochester. She dated a lot
Speaker 2: of guys though, I mean, wasn't she like banging a
Speaker 2: couple of the cops and.
Speaker 4: She banged everybody apparently.
Speaker 2: Well, but but she wasn't a bad girl, and she
Speaker 2: wasn't a stripper, don't you forget it. She wasn't a stripper.
Speaker 2: She was a sanger at Jack Ruby's club.
Speaker 21: But it just amazes me that she suddenly, you know,
Speaker 21: she's got a prototype camera that's a Yeshika that was
Speaker 21: given to her by somebody that worked at in Rochester,
Speaker 21: no less for Kodak, so you know how to Kodak
Speaker 21: get prototype cameras from Ishika and Japan.
Speaker 2: Amazing, who hell knows, who the hell knows, and who
Speaker 2: the hell knows how it is she came up with
Speaker 2: a whole disguise because once we finally showed her that
Speaker 2: we could get a clear picture of all four ladies
Speaker 2: with a babushka, and none of them looked like her.
Speaker 2: She said, you know, I had on a wig, sunglasses,
Speaker 2: a coat to make me look fat, and you know,
Speaker 2: yeah she was, you know, so the only thing I wanted.
Speaker 4: You know, for some reason, I wonder who she was
Speaker 4: working for. Was you know, was she with an agency?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'll tell you this, at the
Speaker 2: age of seventeen, that's quite an accomplishment. And also, to
Speaker 2: be in that much of a disguise on a fairly
Speaker 2: warm Texas day must have been sweaty. And you know,
Speaker 2: one last thing about that, and I find real super interesting,
Speaker 2: is that after all of that stuff, you mean to
Speaker 2: tell me you were worried about getting busted with a
Speaker 2: little pot in your camera case. So he just gave
Speaker 2: it to the FBI agents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm gonna drop a picture that suggests one of
Speaker 2: the wonderful interesting films that she did in her very
Speaker 2: short lived film career in the chatroom at ochelly dot
Speaker 2: Com when I'm all done here, because we're going to
Speaker 2: get to the age of transitions coming up next. But
Speaker 2: b Pete. Your final word for the week.
Speaker 8: Well, just remind everybody to go to Shelly dot com
Speaker 8: and get the donate button.
Speaker 5: I know you said at the beginning of the problem
Speaker 5: the big stuff's paid for, but the little stuff's gonna
Speaker 5: add up, So do what you can to stick a
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Speaker 5: other than that. I'm appreciate everybody calling in, Jimmy and
Speaker 5: Danny and looking forward to next week, and we'll.
Speaker 2: See you then, and so am I, guys. And like
Speaker 2: I said, coming up next we'll be Aaron Franz and
Speaker 2: the Age of Transitions and that will be followed by
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