Speaker 1: Hey, folks, will give it a minute for people to
Speaker 1: jump on. First off, I should be doing other stuff
Speaker 1: right now. I have a massive pile of work right now.
Speaker 1: I have scripts to write, I have calls to make.
Speaker 1: My wife is running a fever in the other room.
Speaker 1: I've got a million other things I could be doing,
Speaker 1: and I got a TV hit coming up in a
Speaker 1: few minutes. But I've been getting so many questions last
Speaker 1: day or two about Michael Cohen that I wanted to
Speaker 1: hop on and say a few things. I think Michael
Speaker 1: Cohen has reverted to the mean. He was a guy
Speaker 1: who Trump used and abused, who Trump jailed. And I
Speaker 1: have a theory of the case he's doing all this,
Speaker 1: and it's it's based on no evidence. Accept my knowledge
Speaker 1: of how Trump works and how this world that they
Speaker 1: live in works. Hey, everybody, thanks for coming on. I
Speaker 1: know this is a short notice thing. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to talk for too too long today. Here's how I
Speaker 1: think this happened. I'm betting that at some point in
Speaker 1: the last year somebody reached out to Cohen from Trump world,
Speaker 1: some friend of a friend, somebody credible enough but not
Speaker 1: too close. And I'll tell you why. I believe this
Speaker 1: because it happened to me in a different context a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, a few years ago. I think
Speaker 1: they reached out and said, you know, he gets it.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys had a bad thing, and he
Speaker 1: gets it. Maybe you know, you know, if you could
Speaker 1: do something for him, maybe you could, uh you could
Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe he might consider giving you
Speaker 1: a pardon. I gotta tell you, folks, if Michael Cohen
Speaker 1: took that bait, he's not just a rat, He's fucking stupid.
Speaker 1: And look, I want to say this about Michael quickly.
Speaker 1: I dealt with Michael a lot after he came over
Speaker 1: to the light, or at least for a while. And
Speaker 1: you know, Michael was Michael New York character, kind of funny,
Speaker 1: angry in a real way, sort of you could see
Speaker 1: the shit he'd been through. And I liked the guy,
Speaker 1: you know, I liked the raw, bullshitter kind of character.
Speaker 1: Now I wasn't gonna let him, you know, be you know,
Speaker 1: in too far, But clearly that was the right call,
Speaker 1: so I knew. I want to tell you, I want
Speaker 1: to go back on my theory why I think Trump
Speaker 1: actually initiated this way back in twenty eighteen, just before
Speaker 1: the book came out, I got a call from a
Speaker 1: very close friend of Donald Trump's, a guy who you
Speaker 1: would absolutely know. His name, big Trump world media figure.
Speaker 1: He says to me, hey, he gets it. You guys
Speaker 1: didn't win. You're a slugger. He called me a slugger.
Speaker 1: He goes, you're a slugger. You go out there and
Speaker 1: you punch, and you punch, you punch, and you know,
Speaker 1: he actually appreciates that, he actually likes that about you.
Speaker 1: I was like, whatever, bro, And at this point I'd
Speaker 1: had two years of death threats against my family and
Speaker 1: my kids, so I was like, fuck all this. Anyway,
Speaker 1: this person says to me, well, you know, man, listen,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the election is going to be
Speaker 1: coming up, and I think you could probably get something
Speaker 1: out of it. And all you have to do is
Speaker 1: like step back a little bit. I'm like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about? And he's like, well, listen,
Speaker 1: you know, find one good thing to say about it,
Speaker 1: like just one thing, like I don't like Trump, but
Speaker 1: and then just kind of shut up after that. Now,
Speaker 1: this guy did not know the book was coming out,
Speaker 1: and I did whoops, and he said it could be worth,
Speaker 1: you know, some real money for you. He goes, I
Speaker 1: know you've lost a lot. I'm like, dude, I lost everything.
Speaker 1: I gave it my entire practice because I, you know,
Speaker 1: foolishly opposed Trump in the era of Trump is what
Speaker 1: it is. But it was a very interesting trap. It
Speaker 1: was very interesting con I could I could see the
Speaker 1: con behind the con. I could see the I could
Speaker 1: see the trap opening up in front of me. Right.
Speaker 1: They would have said, oh, we're gonna pay you this
Speaker 1: and that, and they're gonna dangle dangle, dangle, dangle, dangle,
Speaker 1: dangle dangle. Okay, and I knew it because I'm not stupid.
Speaker 1: Say what you will about me. Nobody mistakes me for stupid.
Speaker 1: But my thank you Max for saying that. I do
Speaker 1: believe I did the right thing. Anyway, I let this
Speaker 1: person have his say and and sort of yesed him
Speaker 1: a little bit, like yeah, we'll think about it, which
Speaker 1: meant I was not gonna fucking think about it, which
Speaker 1: meant I'd already made it my mind. And there was
Speaker 1: some real zeros he mentioned would have been nice, because
Speaker 1: I was up to my ass at that point. It
Speaker 1: was a rough time. Not gonna lie, but I think
Speaker 1: that's what happened to Michael. I think they called him
Speaker 1: and said, you can come back in. There's so much
Speaker 1: money we're making. And I think the reason they want
Speaker 1: Michael back, whether he's figured this out or not, is
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. In the first book an ettd I had
Speaker 1: some coverage because I had a source in Trump's universe
Speaker 1: who talked about all the NDAs. Know how many how
Speaker 1: many of those Michael was personally responsible for, but I
Speaker 1: would guess as Trump's sort of consiciliary, he would have
Speaker 1: had a good amount of knowledge of that stuff. Those
Speaker 1: also were peaking during the peak Epstein Trump years. Those
Speaker 1: also were NDA's and these these settlements and payouts to
Speaker 1: the girlfriends and the mistresses and god knows whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call them. Okay, And I think Trump, let
Speaker 1: me rephrase that. I know that Trump is still petrified
Speaker 1: of Epstein. I know it still obsesses his every waking moment. Okay.
Speaker 1: And I think he's tying up loose ends. I think
Speaker 1: he is. I think he is. He is trying to
Speaker 1: make sure that there's nobody out there who gets desperate enough,
Speaker 1: broken enough, mad enough, beat down enough from that universe
Speaker 1: to rat him out. That's my guess. That's my guess
Speaker 1: on why this is happening. And I think it has
Speaker 1: to do with Epstein and Trump's prior shenanigans because I
Speaker 1: was told by my sourcemen I was reporting on that
Speaker 1: in that book that there were that there were not
Speaker 1: just a couple of women, that there were dozens, that
Speaker 1: that there was a process involved in how he dealt
Speaker 1: with them. And I think, I think this is what
Speaker 1: it is. This is what it smells like. Okay, what
Speaker 1: do they have to reward Michael Cohen with a couple
Speaker 1: of things, right, First off, he's on w ABC in
Speaker 1: New York. That's John Catsimatini is a close Trump ally
Speaker 1: who owns that, uh you know, also the home of
Speaker 1: Rudy's old radio show. You know, Fred. It is what
Speaker 1: it is. You can't you can't treat every person, every
Speaker 1: potential ally as an enemy. They have to prove themselves
Speaker 1: and he has Okay, he has, he's proven himself. The
Speaker 1: guy never gets to come back after this, like this
Speaker 1: is like a double agent in spion X. Right, Let's
Speaker 1: say a Russian comes to you and you're a CIA
Speaker 1: case officer in Moscow and says, I'm going to betray
Speaker 1: the gru for you. I'm gonna give you all the
Speaker 1: inside secrets. I'm gonna roll over, and they verify it,
Speaker 1: and they check it, and they make sure the behavior
Speaker 1: is consistent with the data, and it holds up and
Speaker 1: holds up, and it holds up. Now, sometimes they're a
Speaker 1: trouble agent where they're pretending to help you and they're
Speaker 1: helping their home country. You know, these things are not uncommon.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where Cohen ended up being. And
Speaker 1: I think he probably thinks that Trump is going to
Speaker 1: pardon him. Let me tell you something, Michael, He's not
Speaker 1: going to fucking pardon you. You know why, because to
Speaker 1: make your behavior conformed to his desires, he will not
Speaker 1: pardon you until the very last day. He will not
Speaker 1: pardon you until the very last minute if he ever does.
Speaker 1: Remember Trump is the fucking scorpion and he stings the
Speaker 1: frog just because that's what he is. And if Coin
Speaker 1: thinks is getting a pardon out of this or getting
Speaker 1: money out of this, I mean, it is just it
Speaker 1: is just unbelievably insane calling him boss on the interview.
Speaker 1: I list in some of the interview and I read
Speaker 1: the transcript. I mean, come on, you know, both of
Speaker 1: them trying to sort of pussy foot around on what happened.
Speaker 1: Cohen went to jail because Donald Trump sent him there.
Speaker 1: Coen was put in solitary because Donald Trump made sure
Speaker 1: he was put in solitary. And the most gracious possible
Speaker 1: explanation is that Michael has some sort of mass sarchistic
Speaker 1: streaking that Donald Trump is in is like it is
Speaker 1: like the bad daddy, and he wants to be punished again,
Speaker 1: which I you know, I have again, I have nothing,
Speaker 1: but look, nothing about this should shock you. They are
Speaker 1: going to be bad apples. There are going to be
Speaker 1: people who who betray the revolution and come back to
Speaker 1: the good side and then once again. Okay, And and
Speaker 1: we do want to believe redemption stories. We want to
Speaker 1: believe redemption stories. Okay, we want to believe them, but
Speaker 1: you've got to prove it over time. You have a
Speaker 1: lot of I have a lot of critics on the
Speaker 1: left like you're a Republican for thirty five years. Well yeah, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: for the last decade I've been fighting, leading the fight
Speaker 1: against them. And you know what, I don't bitch that
Speaker 1: people say that to me. You know what, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't if they don't understand what I've done, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, do your work, do your research, figure it out.
Speaker 1: But people who make a shift like that, where there
Speaker 1: are conflicting areas of it, Okay, where there are where
Speaker 1: there are, where there are things that are entangled with
Speaker 1: things that are like Epstein, You've got to look at
Speaker 1: this thing in a different way. Okay, You've got to
Speaker 1: look at it in a different way. And I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody's actually fully and effectively questioned Michael Cohen on
Speaker 1: his role in dealing with Jeffrey Epstein and Trump. Maybe
Speaker 1: they have. I haven't read it if they have, But
Speaker 1: what I do know is there is a whole of
Speaker 1: government effort to cover up Donald Trump's role with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1: There is a whole of government effort to deny the
Speaker 1: victim's justice for Trump, Epstein, his friends, everybody associated with it.
Speaker 1: It's a whole of government effort. The entire Department of
Speaker 1: Justice is now the Department of covering up the Epstein files.
Speaker 1: They really aren't doing much else. That's what Todd Blank's
Speaker 1: only job is. And the reason I keep coming back
Speaker 1: to this is I think Michael has knowledge of these things.
Speaker 1: I think Michael either was involved as a lawyer or
Speaker 1: knew contemporaneously from Trump or other people around Trump what
Speaker 1: was going on. And I think that's why Trump is
Speaker 1: eager to make this deal. I don't think this is
Speaker 1: Michael Cohen just waking up one morning and going, well,
Speaker 1: the resistance sucks. I'm going to go back to Donald
Speaker 1: Trump because they ain't nothing changed about Donald Trump except
Speaker 1: it's gotten worse. I really believe this came from Trump,
Speaker 1: not Cohen. I think that he did ask Tara Palmiery
Speaker 1: for Trump's new phone number, could have called me. He
Speaker 1: did ask Tara Palmiery for Trump's new phone number and
Speaker 1: said to her something to the effect of, I think
Speaker 1: I can get back with the Boss. But there's too
Speaker 1: many moving pieces here. There's too much. There's too much.
Speaker 1: There's too much of a of a of a weird
Speaker 1: moment here when Trump's need to keep the Epstein stuff
Speaker 1: covered up and hidden and pushed down meets with the
Speaker 1: knowledge that Michael Cohen, who seemed increasingly kind of I
Speaker 1: don't know, I maybe desperate's the word, but he certainly
Speaker 1: was sort of like flailing around and and I think
Speaker 1: I think We're going to find out over time that
Speaker 1: there's a deeper story here, and there's a there was
Speaker 1: an opportunity that Michael either saw or was offered, and
Speaker 1: then Trump, in his sort of fairal way, understood that
Speaker 1: Michael could be a double rat. Now, think about the
Speaker 1: things that Trump did to that man and said about
Speaker 1: that man, And how you forgive that ship as a man,
Speaker 1: How how you let your honor be so fucking ripped
Speaker 1: to ship? You know Trump I said about me. That'll
Speaker 1: curl your fucking hair, you know what. And if Donald
Speaker 1: Trump called me tomorrow goes and said I want to
Speaker 1: be friends always forgiven, fuck you you know you're about
Speaker 1: to be buddies, the answer would still be go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1: Go eat an entire industrial credive dicks under no fucking circumstances. Bro.
Speaker 2: But how you do that somebody who put you in prison,
Speaker 2: somebody who fucking put you in prison and took away
Speaker 2: your rights and took away your dignity and took away
Speaker 2: your money and denied you your family and put.
Speaker 1: You in solitary confinement. How any man can handle that
Speaker 1: is beyond me. I mean, I have been told that
Speaker 1: my attitude towards Trump is like Jihati, And you know what,
Speaker 1: I think that is a compliment. If you're in this fight,
Speaker 1: and you're really in this fight, you don't get to
Speaker 1: leave this fight until he's gone. Whether that means he
Speaker 1: craps out of you know, and strokes out on the
Speaker 1: Golden toilet one morning, or he shuffles off into mar
Speaker 1: Alago and disappears. That's the secondary thing about it that's
Speaker 1: so weird to me. Cohen's not gonna get the pardon
Speaker 1: he wanted. Nothing will restore his fortunes because Trump's greedy.
Speaker 1: They'll tell him they're gonna, but they ain't gonna. And
Speaker 1: I'm shocked by this because I don't think Michael's stupid.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's dumb. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: dumb in this world, but I don't think Michael's dumb.
Speaker 1: But I think he's been taken because looks, smart people
Speaker 1: can fall for con jobs. It does happen. It absolutely happens,
Speaker 1: and Trump is a con man. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: you don't get the defect three times. You don't get
Speaker 1: to say, oh, well, I went to Trump again. I
Speaker 1: tried to make up, and then he wouldn't pardon me.
Speaker 1: So I'm back on the I'm back on the on
Speaker 1: the good guy's side again. That ain't it, Michael, That
Speaker 1: ain't it. It's so late in the game. This is
Speaker 1: why I still think there's something bigger here that we
Speaker 1: haven't been told or haven't figured out yet. Because it's
Speaker 1: so late in the game. I don't could die any minute.
Speaker 1: He's sick, y'all. The guy's wandering around the freaking white
Speaker 1: house lawn talking about grass seeds. He's double bruised again
Speaker 1: on his hands, you know, in prison, where I've never been,
Speaker 1: although I have filmed an ad in prison. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: filmed an ad in a prison I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: dog twenty years ago, maybe more where I got The
Speaker 1: law in Forta says you can't film the prisoners for
Speaker 1: political ads. But I got access to a prison, so
Speaker 1: I won't give you an orange jumpsuit. So I filmed
Speaker 1: an ad in prison. Wore an orange jumpsuit. That was
Speaker 1: enough prison for me, thank you very much. Didn't want
Speaker 1: to go for go near it. Wanted stood in the
Speaker 1: shower at the hotel after that for about an hour, thinking,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I just wore an orange prison jumpsuit. Somebody.
Speaker 1: You just mentioned something about Michael too psychologically. I think
Speaker 1: that's and I've heard that story that he obsessed about
Speaker 1: mob bosses growing up. And there is a certain like
Speaker 1: cinematic nature to Trump that is that is Mafio, so
Speaker 1: you know, and and Michael was the was the Conzgliari,
Speaker 1: and you know, Trump's the couple to God. Be all
Speaker 1: that stuff, right, But none of it excuses this, and
Speaker 1: none of it fully explains it. The simple reasons are
Speaker 1: not sufficient. You know. Cohen in the in the intro,
Speaker 1: was like, you know, why can't we be friends? And
Speaker 1: you know, the past shouldn't dictate the future. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. You put me in jail for defending you.
Speaker 1: You put me in solitary, can find me, You break
Speaker 1: my family, you take my money. That is not the past,
Speaker 1: that's the present. That's the reality for a long time.
Speaker 1: And Cohen, I'm telling you guys, this smells like Epstein
Speaker 1: and his knowledge of the cover ups. And this is
Speaker 1: why Trump either initiated this or was open to it.
Speaker 1: Because Epstein is still the bleeding chest wound of the
Speaker 1: Trump administration. It's been out of the news lately because
Speaker 1: he started a war operation Epstein fury, and he's crashed
Speaker 1: the economy so badly it's been hard to keep track
Speaker 1: of it all. But guys, this is this is the
Speaker 1: irony of him. And somebody pointed this out in the
Speaker 1: Chato Dongo, the errand of him, calling him podcast maya
Speaker 1: copa suicopa. Dude, it's our fault too. We let ourselves
Speaker 1: get taken me among many, you know, because when you
Speaker 1: have a when you when you see somebody who wants
Speaker 1: to have a redemption arc, who wants to do the
Speaker 1: right thing, who wants to change their fate and change
Speaker 1: their destiny after they've done the wrong fucking thing for
Speaker 1: so long, you want to believe in them. And you
Speaker 1: can't live in a world where nobody ever gets to
Speaker 1: come back from sin, where nobody ever gets a second
Speaker 1: A second time. At bat America is the story of
Speaker 1: second chances. It is not the story though, of third chances.
Speaker 1: Except for Donald Trump himself, he's on his eighty seventh chance, right.
Speaker 1: But the only other thing about Michael that he needs
Speaker 1: to he's missing now, because remember he's been out of
Speaker 1: Trump's orbit for almost a decade, nine years. Okay, the
Speaker 1: one other thing he's missing, right, now is There's no
Speaker 1: one Trump hates more than people who take his bait.
Speaker 1: No one Trump hates more than people who get suckered
Speaker 1: by him. He hates the marks, he hates the patsies.
Speaker 1: He hates the fools and the rubes who buy into
Speaker 1: his stick. He hates the people who buy as crypto
Speaker 1: because they think it's an investment. He hates the people
Speaker 1: that went to Trump University. He hates the donors that
Speaker 1: fund trump Maga, Inc. He hates all those people. These
Speaker 1: are all these Maga folks out there in the country,
Speaker 1: right Donald Trump would never let you in the door
Speaker 1: of mar A Lago. He hates the pores, he hates
Speaker 1: the little people, and he hates the people who fall
Speaker 1: for his tricks. And if Michael's decade away from Trump
Speaker 1: faded that response or that knowledge of what Trump does
Speaker 1: all the time and has historically done. As a biographer
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, I can tell you he has done
Speaker 1: this since he was a child. He engages in rampant cruelty.
Speaker 1: He then draws the victim in and punishes them further.
Speaker 1: If Cohen doesn't think that Trump will punish him more,
Speaker 1: that Trump will hold him in even less esteem, that
Speaker 1: Trump will hate him even more. He's a fool again.
Speaker 1: I don't think Michael's stupid, but I do think he's
Speaker 1: a fool. I'm telling you guys, when this is done,
Speaker 1: when this is said and done, when this is over,
Speaker 1: it is going to be about Epstein and the settlements
Speaker 1: that Trump paid out in the NBA's that Trump insisted
Speaker 1: women sign that I did some reporting on at the
Speaker 1: time in the book and for The Beast back in
Speaker 1: the day. When those things are connected, when those lines
Speaker 1: are drawn, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna bet you money.
Speaker 1: This is because Donald Trump is paranoid that Michael knows
Speaker 1: them about Epstein and those girls. And remember the thing
Speaker 1: about the Trump organization, folks, is a Potemkin village, right.
Speaker 1: There were floors of offices with with old typewriters there,
Speaker 1: but nobody there. Trump ran a very small org. It
Speaker 1: was not hundreds of people. It's like a dozen people
Speaker 1: in the Trump Org. And Michael knew a lot of secrets.
Speaker 1: And Trump knows that the secrets of the Epstein era
Speaker 1: are the most deadly poisoned that he faces. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the war maybe more deadly now. But Trump knew how
Speaker 1: bad it was Trump understood how how how damaging the
Speaker 1: Epstein materials have been to him. It broke his own base.
Speaker 1: They believed for a decade that there was a democratic
Speaker 1: cabal and pedophiles and child cannibals living in a pizza
Speaker 1: restaurant underneath underneath Washington, d C. And Hillary Clinton and
Speaker 1: Barack Obama and and and god knows who are Bram
Speaker 1: Emmanuel whoever else it was they thought was They believed
Speaker 1: that stuff. They believed it so intently it shaped their
Speaker 1: entire political movement, shaped their movement so fundamentally that we
Speaker 1: are still living in that universe, right and all that
Speaker 1: was revealed so far, even with all the cover ups,
Speaker 1: even with all the bullshit, Donald Trump was closer to
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein than he has ever wanted to admit that
Speaker 1: that the materials that keep coming out, they never exonerate Trump,
Speaker 1: They never pushed Trump further from Epsteine's orbit. He's scared
Speaker 1: of that, and his people know it. You know, you
Speaker 1: talk to Republican voters right now, and I saw I
Speaker 1: saw a focus group about in uh you think early April, Okay,
Speaker 1: Ebstein stuff was big in the news at that moment.
Speaker 1: They were asking about of Trump supporters from who had
Speaker 1: been double Trump supporters who bothered either in sixteen and
Speaker 1: twenty or in twenty and twenty four, but they need
Speaker 1: to do it, voted for him twice. They were talking
Speaker 1: to them about, like what are you disappointed in? What
Speaker 1: are you happy about? And at the time they were
Speaker 1: all like, Oh, the big beautiful bill is gonna get
Speaker 1: me a huge text cut haha, ha haay suckers. But
Speaker 1: the thing they kept coming back without being unhappy about,
Speaker 1: even as early as the spring of this year. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the terrorists knocking the crap out of them, It
Speaker 1: wasn't Trump being corrupt as fuck. The thing they were
Speaker 1: bothered about, the thing that really got to them, The
Speaker 1: thing that really bothered the hell out of them was Epstein.
Speaker 1: And that's not going to change. This is why I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. At the heart of this dirty, gross little
Speaker 1: deal these two grubby men are pursuing is Michael Cohen
Speaker 1: shutting the fuck up about Epstein and Michael Cohen shutting
Speaker 1: the fuck up about the settlements. And yes he did that.
Speaker 1: As lawyer, he has he has you know, demands on
Speaker 1: his on his you know, oath to maintain the privilege
Speaker 1: of the client. But you know, sometimes when people are
Speaker 1: on the cliff, when they're broke, when they're scared, when
Speaker 1: they're done, things happen. And I think Trump fears that
Speaker 1: a lot. I also want to say, guys, I wrote
Speaker 1: a lot wrote about it on the Friday Brief this morning,
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Speaker 1: notification of anytime movie alive and of new stuff, A
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in front of the paywall, some stuffs
Speaker 1: behind it. But the Friday Brief this morning has an
Speaker 1: extensive Natalie Harp psychoanalysis, which I think you might like,
Speaker 1: because the Trump of today is even more evil and
Speaker 1: isolated and freaky and mentally deranged than the Trump that
Speaker 1: screwed Michael Cohen over the first time. Okay, somebody just
Speaker 1: said what they wondered if Michael was trying to play Trump. No,
Speaker 1: you don't get this far down the chain, because even
Speaker 1: Trump is gonna trust but verify. Ah, oh, well, that's
Speaker 1: bad news. Goot has just let the East Wing ballroom
Speaker 1: construction proceed red court. You know what it just means
Speaker 1: we have to tear the goddamn thing down. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's it, and we're gonna I mean, I know this
Speaker 1: sounds petty, but people who do this, people who come
Speaker 1: back to Trump, or people who have stayed with Trump
Speaker 1: this whole time, or the people who have enabled Trump
Speaker 1: at every level. Unless we have a reckoning with those people.
Speaker 1: When this is all said and done, it will happen again.
Speaker 1: Somebody else will come along, some of their ship bird
Speaker 1: will come along, some of their evil person will come along.
Speaker 1: And that reckoning needs to be in Congress and in
Speaker 1: the courts, and prosecutions from the states have to take place.
Speaker 1: And it ranges down from the fucking FBI guys who
Speaker 1: are now corruptly at the orders of cash matel Engine
Speaker 1: and top Blanche pursuing Jim Comey, to the ICE agents
Speaker 1: who murdered Renee Good and Alex Pretty and all of
Speaker 1: these other Americans, to the DHS people who are running
Speaker 1: intelligence operations in America right now that the nineteen sixties
Speaker 1: squintelpro program look like amateur hour, to the Trump boys
Speaker 1: who are stealing billions of dollars from the US government,
Speaker 1: getting on boards and suddenly getting defense contracts and crypto
Speaker 1: scams as a country. Unless we hold these people responsible
Speaker 1: for the betrayal of our constitution, of our laws, of
Speaker 1: our system them, we're going to get more of this.
Speaker 1: And if you let guys like Michael Cohen come back
Speaker 1: after you went back to Trump, you got to get
Speaker 1: more of this. I recognized when I left the Republican
Speaker 1: Party that it was going to take a couple of
Speaker 1: years for people to understand why I did it, and
Speaker 1: even when they understood it, a lot of the still
Speaker 1: didn't trust it. A decade of consistent behavior against this
Speaker 1: regime and against this Moat movement and against these people
Speaker 1: should be a start. But I know you've got to
Speaker 1: earn it. All the time. I was a bad guy
Speaker 1: on the other side of this fence. I took your
Speaker 1: lunch money Democrats all the time. I get it. You're like,
Speaker 1: what happens if your superpowers are turned for evil again?
Speaker 1: So I've burned those bridges as thoroughly as any human
Speaker 1: being ever could. But I know, as a man, as
Speaker 1: a person, as somebody who believes in the very very
Speaker 1: very old fashioned virtue of honor, because by the way,
Speaker 1: you can be imperfect and still have honor that Michael
Speaker 1: Cohen does not have honor. He doesn't respect himself enough
Speaker 1: not to fall into this trap or to take this bait.
Speaker 1: I don't do. I don't do a lot of poor,
Speaker 1: pitiful me retrospective stuff just because I walked away from
Speaker 1: what was a very, very, very lucrative business. Being a
Speaker 1: Republican political result guy is a good gig. Trust me
Speaker 1: on this. It's a good fucking gig. I miss the money,
Speaker 1: but I don't miss the work that makes sense. I
Speaker 1: like doing what I do now, which is fighting for
Speaker 1: something better than we have, and it is sometimes less
Speaker 1: than rewarding when you got people questioning your bona fidez
Speaker 1: and questioning your intentions all the time. I get it.
Speaker 1: But that shouldn't drive you into the arms of evil.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't drive you into the arms of of of
Speaker 1: the man who's created this crisis in this country. And Michael,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to get out of this.
Speaker 1: What you think you're going to get out of this?
Speaker 1: You know him. He is the betrayer, He's the sauron
Speaker 1: of this country. There's no there's no way to use
Speaker 1: his tools and his power where you're not sullied and harmed.
Speaker 1: There's no way to do it. I'm the hurt his
Speaker 1: back when you flipped. You know, here's the thing, guys,
Speaker 1: dev fifty seven fifty six, eat my ass? How about that?
Speaker 1: You know there's a there's a piece on my substeck, y'all.
Speaker 1: If you ever wonder why I just block people a lot. Now,
Speaker 1: I fought in the social media wars for a long time,
Speaker 1: and there's a piece on my substack called this is
Speaker 1: why I blocked you. I need to update it again
Speaker 1: because there are now many more reasons why I block people.
Speaker 1: Mostly I just find people offensive and tiresome. I don't
Speaker 1: want to waste my band with on them. But this
Speaker 1: is a real moment. And watch how this plays out,
Speaker 1: because I the stink of Epstein is under all this.
Speaker 1: It reeks. It reeks like Donald Trumps depends on a
Speaker 1: hot summer day. We're gonna find it out someday, and
Speaker 1: until then, rats are rats. Michael Cohen loves the mob.
Speaker 1: He loves the mob image. I wonder if you thought
Speaker 1: that through. I wonder if you considered what happens. Trump's
Speaker 1: gonna betray you, Michael. He's gonna fuck you. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: You don't get it. He's gonna fuck you over. He's
Speaker 1: gonna hold that pardon off to the last minute. He
Speaker 1: could die any day. He could fall over dead right now.
Speaker 1: He looks like like death on a on a microwave
Speaker 1: lunch tray. He looks awful. Gave him You have any
Speaker 1: shred of honor and credibility for that fucking guy? Pretty astounding,
Speaker 1: all right, folks, I'm gonna hop I got work to do.
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