WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:11.000 Hey, folks, will give it a minute for people to 2 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:16.960 jump on. First off, I should be doing other stuff 3 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:20.039 right now. I have a massive pile of work right now. 4 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:23.320 I have scripts to write, I have calls to make. 5 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:25.960 My wife is running a fever in the other room. 6 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:28.519 I've got a million other things I could be doing, 7 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:30.000 and I got a TV hit coming up in a 8 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:34.719 few minutes. But I've been getting so many questions last 9 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.000 day or two about Michael Cohen that I wanted to 10 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:44.359 hop on and say a few things. I think Michael 11 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:51.719 Cohen has reverted to the mean. He was a guy 12 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:58.359 who Trump used and abused, who Trump jailed. And I 13 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:01.000 have a theory of the case he's doing all this, 14 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:06.680 and it's it's based on no evidence. Accept my knowledge 15 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.760 of how Trump works and how this world that they 16 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:12.760 live in works. Hey, everybody, thanks for coming on. I 17 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:15.760 know this is a short notice thing. I'm not going 18 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:22.239 to talk for too too long today. Here's how I 19 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:31.040 think this happened. I'm betting that at some point in 20 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:34.640 the last year somebody reached out to Cohen from Trump world, 21 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:41.000 some friend of a friend, somebody credible enough but not 22 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:45.519 too close. And I'll tell you why. I believe this 23 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:47.400 because it happened to me in a different context a 24 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:52.280 couple of years ago, a few years ago. I think 25 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:55.879 they reached out and said, you know, he gets it. 26 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:58.640 You know, you guys had a bad thing, and he 27 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:01.920 gets it. Maybe you know, you know, if you could 28 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.159 do something for him, maybe you could, uh you could 29 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:09.039 maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe he might consider giving you 30 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:16.120 a pardon. I gotta tell you, folks, if Michael Cohen 31 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:21.800 took that bait, he's not just a rat, He's fucking stupid. 32 00:02:22.479 --> 00:02:24.159 And look, I want to say this about Michael quickly. 33 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:26.960 I dealt with Michael a lot after he came over 34 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:32.520 to the light, or at least for a while. And 35 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.639 you know, Michael was Michael New York character, kind of funny, 36 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.599 angry in a real way, sort of you could see 37 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:46.280 the shit he'd been through. And I liked the guy, 38 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:50.199 you know, I liked the raw, bullshitter kind of character. 39 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:56.039 Now I wasn't gonna let him, you know, be you know, 40 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:01.599 in too far, But clearly that was the right call, 41 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:03.599 so I knew. I want to tell you, I want 42 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:05.199 to go back on my theory why I think Trump 43 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:13.560 actually initiated this way back in twenty eighteen, just before 44 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:16.319 the book came out, I got a call from a 45 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.039 very close friend of Donald Trump's, a guy who you 46 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:24.280 would absolutely know. His name, big Trump world media figure. 47 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:29.120 He says to me, hey, he gets it. You guys 48 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.599 didn't win. You're a slugger. He called me a slugger. 49 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:34.879 He goes, you're a slugger. You go out there and 50 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:36.800 you punch, and you punch, you punch, and you know, 51 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:40.080 he actually appreciates that, he actually likes that about you. 52 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:44.280 I was like, whatever, bro, And at this point I'd 53 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.000 had two years of death threats against my family and 54 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:48.360 my kids, so I was like, fuck all this. Anyway, 55 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.560 this person says to me, well, you know, man, listen, 56 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:51.919 I'll tell you what the election is going to be 57 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:55.439 coming up, and I think you could probably get something 58 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.919 out of it. And all you have to do is 59 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:01.919 like step back a little bit. I'm like, what the 60 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.479 fuck are you talking about? And he's like, well, listen, 61 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:07.439 you know, find one good thing to say about it, 62 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:09.199 like just one thing, like I don't like Trump, but 63 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:12.439 and then just kind of shut up after that. Now, 64 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:14.159 this guy did not know the book was coming out, 65 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:19.680 and I did whoops, and he said it could be worth, 66 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:22.560 you know, some real money for you. He goes, I 67 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:25.639 know you've lost a lot. I'm like, dude, I lost everything. 68 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:28.399 I gave it my entire practice because I, you know, 69 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:32.519 foolishly opposed Trump in the era of Trump is what 70 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:36.959 it is. But it was a very interesting trap. It 71 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.000 was very interesting con I could I could see the 72 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.000 con behind the con. I could see the I could 73 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:43.000 see the trap opening up in front of me. Right. 74 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:45.560 They would have said, oh, we're gonna pay you this 75 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:48.399 and that, and they're gonna dangle dangle, dangle, dangle, dangle, 76 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:57.519 dangle dangle. Okay, and I knew it because I'm not stupid. 77 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.720 Say what you will about me. Nobody mistakes me for stupid. 78 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:07.879 But my thank you Max for saying that. I do 79 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:12.360 believe I did the right thing. Anyway, I let this 80 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:16.160 person have his say and and sort of yesed him 81 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:17.879 a little bit, like yeah, we'll think about it, which 82 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:19.519 meant I was not gonna fucking think about it, which 83 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:24.680 meant I'd already made it my mind. And there was 84 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:29.000 some real zeros he mentioned would have been nice, because 85 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:30.560 I was up to my ass at that point. It 86 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.160 was a rough time. Not gonna lie, but I think 87 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:35.040 that's what happened to Michael. I think they called him 88 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:37.319 and said, you can come back in. There's so much 89 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:40.439 money we're making. And I think the reason they want 90 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:44.160 Michael back, whether he's figured this out or not, is 91 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:52.079 Jeffrey Epstein. In the first book an ettd I had 92 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.839 some coverage because I had a source in Trump's universe 93 00:05:55.959 --> 00:06:00.639 who talked about all the NDAs. Know how many how 94 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.959 many of those Michael was personally responsible for, but I 95 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:06.399 would guess as Trump's sort of consiciliary, he would have 96 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:11.319 had a good amount of knowledge of that stuff. Those 97 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:15.519 also were peaking during the peak Epstein Trump years. Those 98 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:20.199 also were NDA's and these these settlements and payouts to 99 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:23.000 the girlfriends and the mistresses and god knows whatever you 100 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:29.639 want to call them. Okay, And I think Trump, let 101 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.560 me rephrase that. I know that Trump is still petrified 102 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:38.399 of Epstein. I know it still obsesses his every waking moment. Okay. 103 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:43.199 And I think he's tying up loose ends. I think 104 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:46.439 he is. I think he is. He is trying to 105 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:50.079 make sure that there's nobody out there who gets desperate enough, 106 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:56.839 broken enough, mad enough, beat down enough from that universe 107 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:01.519 to rat him out. That's my guess. That's my guess 108 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:03.959 on why this is happening. And I think it has 109 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:08.680 to do with Epstein and Trump's prior shenanigans because I 110 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:10.759 was told by my sourcemen I was reporting on that 111 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:15.839 in that book that there were that there were not 112 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:19.759 just a couple of women, that there were dozens, that 113 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:25.639 that there was a process involved in how he dealt 114 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:30.560 with them. And I think, I think this is what 115 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.600 it is. This is what it smells like. Okay, what 116 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:34.680 do they have to reward Michael Cohen with a couple 117 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:37.160 of things, right, First off, he's on w ABC in 118 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.879 New York. That's John Catsimatini is a close Trump ally 119 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.519 who owns that, uh you know, also the home of 120 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:51.680 Rudy's old radio show. You know, Fred. It is what 121 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.560 it is. You can't you can't treat every person, every 122 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:57.480 potential ally as an enemy. They have to prove themselves 123 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:02.199 and he has Okay, he has, he's proven himself. The 124 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.519 guy never gets to come back after this, like this 125 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.560 is like a double agent in spion X. Right, Let's 126 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.519 say a Russian comes to you and you're a CIA 127 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:17.399 case officer in Moscow and says, I'm going to betray 128 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:20.680 the gru for you. I'm gonna give you all the 129 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:24.839 inside secrets. I'm gonna roll over, and they verify it, 130 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.480 and they check it, and they make sure the behavior 131 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:33.799 is consistent with the data, and it holds up and 132 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.320 holds up, and it holds up. Now, sometimes they're a 133 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:40.159 trouble agent where they're pretending to help you and they're 134 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:44.240 helping their home country. You know, these things are not uncommon. 135 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.039 And I think that's where Cohen ended up being. And 136 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:51.720 I think he probably thinks that Trump is going to 137 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:54.879 pardon him. Let me tell you something, Michael, He's not 138 00:08:54.919 --> 00:09:00.240 going to fucking pardon you. You know why, because to 139 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.200 make your behavior conformed to his desires, he will not 140 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:07.559 pardon you until the very last day. He will not 141 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:10.759 pardon you until the very last minute if he ever does. 142 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.360 Remember Trump is the fucking scorpion and he stings the 143 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:18.559 frog just because that's what he is. And if Coin 144 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:20.240 thinks is getting a pardon out of this or getting 145 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.159 money out of this, I mean, it is just it 146 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:29.039 is just unbelievably insane calling him boss on the interview. 147 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:31.039 I list in some of the interview and I read 148 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:36.000 the transcript. I mean, come on, you know, both of 149 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:40.399 them trying to sort of pussy foot around on what happened. 150 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:47.799 Cohen went to jail because Donald Trump sent him there. 151 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.080 Coen was put in solitary because Donald Trump made sure 152 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:57.480 he was put in solitary. And the most gracious possible 153 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.399 explanation is that Michael has some sort of mass sarchistic 154 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.320 streaking that Donald Trump is in is like it is 155 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.600 like the bad daddy, and he wants to be punished again, 156 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:09.559 which I you know, I have again, I have nothing, 157 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:14.840 but look, nothing about this should shock you. They are 158 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:16.559 going to be bad apples. There are going to be 159 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.919 people who who betray the revolution and come back to 160 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:27.240 the good side and then once again. Okay, And and 161 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:29.720 we do want to believe redemption stories. We want to 162 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.720 believe redemption stories. Okay, we want to believe them, but 163 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:35.559 you've got to prove it over time. You have a 164 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.320 lot of I have a lot of critics on the 165 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.039 left like you're a Republican for thirty five years. Well yeah, motherfucker, 166 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.080 for the last decade I've been fighting, leading the fight 167 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.240 against them. And you know what, I don't bitch that 168 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.200 people say that to me. You know what, I don't 169 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.960 I don't if they don't understand what I've done, Okay, 170 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:54.720 you know, do your work, do your research, figure it out. 171 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.679 But people who make a shift like that, where there 172 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:06.519 are conflicting areas of it, Okay, where there are where 173 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:11.480 there are, where there are things that are entangled with 174 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:15.399 things that are like Epstein, You've got to look at 175 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.960 this thing in a different way. Okay, You've got to 176 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:21.000 look at it in a different way. And I don't 177 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:26.720 think anybody's actually fully and effectively questioned Michael Cohen on 178 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:31.159 his role in dealing with Jeffrey Epstein and Trump. Maybe 179 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:33.559 they have. I haven't read it if they have, But 180 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:39.759 what I do know is there is a whole of 181 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.720 government effort to cover up Donald Trump's role with Jeffrey Epstein. 182 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:47.279 There is a whole of government effort to deny the 183 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:52.720 victim's justice for Trump, Epstein, his friends, everybody associated with it. 184 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.120 It's a whole of government effort. The entire Department of 185 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:57.919 Justice is now the Department of covering up the Epstein files. 186 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:00.960 They really aren't doing much else. That's what Todd Blank's 187 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.480 only job is. And the reason I keep coming back 188 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:10.360 to this is I think Michael has knowledge of these things. 189 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:16.600 I think Michael either was involved as a lawyer or 190 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.039 knew contemporaneously from Trump or other people around Trump what 191 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.559 was going on. And I think that's why Trump is 192 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:25.840 eager to make this deal. I don't think this is 193 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.159 Michael Cohen just waking up one morning and going, well, 194 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:29.919 the resistance sucks. I'm going to go back to Donald 195 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:34.159 Trump because they ain't nothing changed about Donald Trump except 196 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:38.480 it's gotten worse. I really believe this came from Trump, 197 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:42.120 not Cohen. I think that he did ask Tara Palmiery 198 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:47.799 for Trump's new phone number, could have called me. He 199 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:50.399 did ask Tara Palmiery for Trump's new phone number and 200 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.240 said to her something to the effect of, I think 201 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:59.320 I can get back with the Boss. But there's too 202 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.200 many moving pieces here. There's too much. There's too much. 203 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:04.559 There's too much of a of a of a weird 204 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.919 moment here when Trump's need to keep the Epstein stuff 205 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:14.120 covered up and hidden and pushed down meets with the 206 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:18.200 knowledge that Michael Cohen, who seemed increasingly kind of I 207 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.480 don't know, I maybe desperate's the word, but he certainly 208 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:26.679 was sort of like flailing around and and I think 209 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:30.759 I think We're going to find out over time that 210 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.519 there's a deeper story here, and there's a there was 211 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:38.399 an opportunity that Michael either saw or was offered, and 212 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:42.559 then Trump, in his sort of fairal way, understood that 213 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:46.120 Michael could be a double rat. Now, think about the 214 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.600 things that Trump did to that man and said about 215 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:53.240 that man, And how you forgive that ship as a man, 216 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:58.279 How how you let your honor be so fucking ripped 217 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:02.320 to ship? You know Trump I said about me. That'll 218 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:05.799 curl your fucking hair, you know what. And if Donald 219 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:08.039 Trump called me tomorrow goes and said I want to 220 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:11.080 be friends always forgiven, fuck you you know you're about 221 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.919 to be buddies, the answer would still be go fuck yourself. 222 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:20.200 Go eat an entire industrial credive dicks under no fucking circumstances. Bro. 223 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:25.360 But how you do that somebody who put you in prison, 224 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:29.879 somebody who fucking put you in prison and took away 225 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:33.840 your rights and took away your dignity and took away 226 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.200 your money and denied you your family and put. 227 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:41.399 You in solitary confinement. How any man can handle that 228 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:51.240 is beyond me. I mean, I have been told that 229 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:56.639 my attitude towards Trump is like Jihati, And you know what, 230 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:03.360 I think that is a compliment. If you're in this fight, 231 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:07.799 and you're really in this fight, you don't get to 232 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.679 leave this fight until he's gone. Whether that means he 233 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.639 craps out of you know, and strokes out on the 234 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.440 Golden toilet one morning, or he shuffles off into mar 235 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:24.799 Alago and disappears. That's the secondary thing about it that's 236 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.639 so weird to me. Cohen's not gonna get the pardon 237 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:31.639 he wanted. Nothing will restore his fortunes because Trump's greedy. 238 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:36.159 They'll tell him they're gonna, but they ain't gonna. And 239 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:41.159 I'm shocked by this because I don't think Michael's stupid. 240 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.360 I don't think he's dumb. There's a lot of people 241 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:46.320 dumb in this world, but I don't think Michael's dumb. 242 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.080 But I think he's been taken because looks, smart people 243 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.000 can fall for con jobs. It does happen. It absolutely happens, 244 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:59.000 and Trump is a con man. But I will say this, 245 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:05.360 you don't get the defect three times. You don't get 246 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:07.759 to say, oh, well, I went to Trump again. I 247 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:10.000 tried to make up, and then he wouldn't pardon me. 248 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:12.200 So I'm back on the I'm back on the on 249 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:16.559 the good guy's side again. That ain't it, Michael, That 250 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:20.039 ain't it. It's so late in the game. This is 251 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.039 why I still think there's something bigger here that we 252 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:24.600 haven't been told or haven't figured out yet. Because it's 253 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:28.000 so late in the game. I don't could die any minute. 254 00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:32.080 He's sick, y'all. The guy's wandering around the freaking white 255 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:36.480 house lawn talking about grass seeds. He's double bruised again 256 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:46.399 on his hands, you know, in prison, where I've never been, 257 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:50.159 although I have filmed an ad in prison. Yeah, I 258 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:51.720 filmed an ad in a prison I don't know, maybe 259 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:55.600 dog twenty years ago, maybe more where I got The 260 00:16:56.480 --> 00:16:59.240 law in Forta says you can't film the prisoners for 261 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:01.840 political ads. But I got access to a prison, so 262 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:03.960 I won't give you an orange jumpsuit. So I filmed 263 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.559 an ad in prison. Wore an orange jumpsuit. That was 264 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:08.599 enough prison for me, thank you very much. Didn't want 265 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.799 to go for go near it. Wanted stood in the 266 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.480 shower at the hotel after that for about an hour, thinking, 267 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:22.559 oh my god, I just wore an orange prison jumpsuit. Somebody. 268 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:24.759 You just mentioned something about Michael too psychologically. I think 269 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:27.119 that's and I've heard that story that he obsessed about 270 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:29.920 mob bosses growing up. And there is a certain like 271 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:35.880 cinematic nature to Trump that is that is Mafio, so 272 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.920 you know, and and Michael was the was the Conzgliari, 273 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:42.559 and you know, Trump's the couple to God. Be all 274 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:48.039 that stuff, right, But none of it excuses this, and 275 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:52.279 none of it fully explains it. The simple reasons are 276 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.680 not sufficient. You know. Cohen in the in the intro, 277 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.039 was like, you know, why can't we be friends? And 278 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:00.799 you know, the past shouldn't dictate the future. Let me 279 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:06.680 tell you something. You put me in jail for defending you. 280 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:08.319 You put me in solitary, can find me, You break 281 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:12.599 my family, you take my money. That is not the past, 282 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:15.559 that's the present. That's the reality for a long time. 283 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:22.039 And Cohen, I'm telling you guys, this smells like Epstein 284 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:24.480 and his knowledge of the cover ups. And this is 285 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.440 why Trump either initiated this or was open to it. 286 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:32.400 Because Epstein is still the bleeding chest wound of the 287 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.359 Trump administration. It's been out of the news lately because 288 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:41.000 he started a war operation Epstein fury, and he's crashed 289 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:43.000 the economy so badly it's been hard to keep track 290 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:51.039 of it all. But guys, this is this is the 291 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:52.759 irony of him. And somebody pointed this out in the 292 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:58.920 Chato Dongo, the errand of him, calling him podcast maya 293 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:07.279 copa suicopa. Dude, it's our fault too. We let ourselves 294 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:12.400 get taken me among many, you know, because when you 295 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.119 have a when you when you see somebody who wants 296 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:16.400 to have a redemption arc, who wants to do the 297 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:18.319 right thing, who wants to change their fate and change 298 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:20.680 their destiny after they've done the wrong fucking thing for 299 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:24.279 so long, you want to believe in them. And you 300 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:26.200 can't live in a world where nobody ever gets to 301 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.640 come back from sin, where nobody ever gets a second 302 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.279 A second time. At bat America is the story of 303 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:36.920 second chances. It is not the story though, of third chances. 304 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:41.480 Except for Donald Trump himself, he's on his eighty seventh chance, right. 305 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:46.279 But the only other thing about Michael that he needs 306 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:49.839 to he's missing now, because remember he's been out of 307 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:56.440 Trump's orbit for almost a decade, nine years. Okay, the 308 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:01.000 one other thing he's missing, right, now is There's no 309 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:04.160 one Trump hates more than people who take his bait. 310 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:07.720 No one Trump hates more than people who get suckered 311 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.319 by him. He hates the marks, he hates the patsies. 312 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.039 He hates the fools and the rubes who buy into 313 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:17.799 his stick. He hates the people who buy as crypto 314 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:20.640 because they think it's an investment. He hates the people 315 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:23.880 that went to Trump University. He hates the donors that 316 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:28.160 fund trump Maga, Inc. He hates all those people. These 317 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:30.200 are all these Maga folks out there in the country, 318 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:35.200 right Donald Trump would never let you in the door 319 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:40.160 of mar A Lago. He hates the pores, he hates 320 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:45.519 the little people, and he hates the people who fall 321 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:51.839 for his tricks. And if Michael's decade away from Trump 322 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.240 faded that response or that knowledge of what Trump does 323 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.400 all the time and has historically done. As a biographer 324 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.839 of Donald Trump, I can tell you he has done 325 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:08.279 this since he was a child. He engages in rampant cruelty. 326 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:11.960 He then draws the victim in and punishes them further. 327 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:16.559 If Cohen doesn't think that Trump will punish him more, 328 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:19.000 that Trump will hold him in even less esteem, that 329 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:23.720 Trump will hate him even more. He's a fool again. 330 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.000 I don't think Michael's stupid, but I do think he's 331 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:34.599 a fool. I'm telling you guys, when this is done, 332 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:36.720 when this is said and done, when this is over, 333 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:41.039 it is going to be about Epstein and the settlements 334 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.160 that Trump paid out in the NBA's that Trump insisted 335 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:46.400 women sign that I did some reporting on at the 336 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:49.839 time in the book and for The Beast back in 337 00:21:49.920 --> 00:22:00.720 the day. When those things are connected, when those lines 338 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:04.559 are drawn, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna bet you money. 339 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:06.759 This is because Donald Trump is paranoid that Michael knows 340 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:13.759 them about Epstein and those girls. And remember the thing 341 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:18.039 about the Trump organization, folks, is a Potemkin village, right. 342 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:22.039 There were floors of offices with with old typewriters there, 343 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.279 but nobody there. Trump ran a very small org. It 344 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:29.519 was not hundreds of people. It's like a dozen people 345 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:34.519 in the Trump Org. And Michael knew a lot of secrets. 346 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:39.200 And Trump knows that the secrets of the Epstein era 347 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:44.160 are the most deadly poisoned that he faces. Maybe maybe 348 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:47.960 the war maybe more deadly now. But Trump knew how 349 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.079 bad it was Trump understood how how how damaging the 350 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:55.839 Epstein materials have been to him. It broke his own base. 351 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:00.720 They believed for a decade that there was a democratic 352 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.480 cabal and pedophiles and child cannibals living in a pizza 353 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:08.200 restaurant underneath underneath Washington, d C. And Hillary Clinton and 354 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:12.200 Barack Obama and and and god knows who are Bram 355 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:15.759 Emmanuel whoever else it was they thought was They believed 356 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.240 that stuff. They believed it so intently it shaped their 357 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:23.240 entire political movement, shaped their movement so fundamentally that we 358 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:29.759 are still living in that universe, right and all that 359 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:32.799 was revealed so far, even with all the cover ups, 360 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:37.880 even with all the bullshit, Donald Trump was closer to 361 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:41.319 Jeffrey Epstein than he has ever wanted to admit that 362 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:48.480 that the materials that keep coming out, they never exonerate Trump, 363 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:56.680 They never pushed Trump further from Epsteine's orbit. He's scared 364 00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:59.680 of that, and his people know it. You know, you 365 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:04.079 talk to Republican voters right now, and I saw I 366 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:10.039 saw a focus group about in uh you think early April, Okay, 367 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.279 Ebstein stuff was big in the news at that moment. 368 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:16.759 They were asking about of Trump supporters from who had 369 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.400 been double Trump supporters who bothered either in sixteen and 370 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:23.480 twenty or in twenty and twenty four, but they need 371 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.319 to do it, voted for him twice. They were talking 372 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:28.039 to them about, like what are you disappointed in? What 373 00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.240 are you happy about? And at the time they were 374 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:32.079 all like, Oh, the big beautiful bill is gonna get 375 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:36.759 me a huge text cut haha, ha haay suckers. But 376 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:38.839 the thing they kept coming back without being unhappy about, 377 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:43.079 even as early as the spring of this year. It 378 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:47.759 wasn't the terrorists knocking the crap out of them, It 379 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:51.279 wasn't Trump being corrupt as fuck. The thing they were 380 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:53.759 bothered about, the thing that really got to them, The 381 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:57.039 thing that really bothered the hell out of them was Epstein. 382 00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:01.000 And that's not going to change. This is why I'm 383 00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:04.240 telling you. At the heart of this dirty, gross little 384 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:08.960 deal these two grubby men are pursuing is Michael Cohen 385 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:12.359 shutting the fuck up about Epstein and Michael Cohen shutting 386 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:15.519 the fuck up about the settlements. And yes he did that. 387 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:17.920 As lawyer, he has he has you know, demands on 388 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:21.240 his on his you know, oath to maintain the privilege 389 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.000 of the client. But you know, sometimes when people are 390 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.480 on the cliff, when they're broke, when they're scared, when 391 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:35.440 they're done, things happen. And I think Trump fears that 392 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:40.880 a lot. I also want to say, guys, I wrote 393 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:42.799 a lot wrote about it on the Friday Brief this morning, 394 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.319 And if you're not subscribed to my Subtack newsletter Against 395 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:48.160 All Enemies, check it out that you get a free 396 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:53.000 notification of anytime movie alive and of new stuff, A 397 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:54.720 lot of stuff in front of the paywall, some stuffs 398 00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:56.920 behind it. But the Friday Brief this morning has an 399 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.319 extensive Natalie Harp psychoanalysis, which I think you might like, 400 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:07.480 because the Trump of today is even more evil and 401 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.039