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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray onbs Boston Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Karen, I don't know about you, but I'm a little

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<v Speaker 2>worried right now. Okay, this is getting me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>One and four to start the season. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on, but I watched that game this afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>and there was it was a nice little comeback at

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<v Speaker 2>the end, but too little, too late. I'm I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>little worried. I'm a little worried. My name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the host of Nightside here every Monday through Friday

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<v Speaker 2>night from eight until midnight. When I'm not worrying about

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<v Speaker 2>belove at Boston Red Sox. Man, that was rough today. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow's though. They don't play tomorrow, so they gotta gotta

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<v Speaker 2>wait till Wednesday for the for the next Red Sox win. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an off day tomorrow. That's good. No loss, no

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<v Speaker 2>loss tomorrow. As you can tell, it bothers me. It

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<v Speaker 2>bothers me a great deal. But I have to I

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<v Speaker 2>have to buckle down and I have to focus on Nightside,

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<v Speaker 2>which I am gonna do for the next four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will take you from March thirty first all

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<v Speaker 2>the way up to April first. I know it's April

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<v Speaker 2>Fool's Day, but that's the truth. We only have a

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<v Speaker 2>little less than four hours left in the month of March.

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<v Speaker 2>Once March is by, I feel winter's gone. Why don't

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<v Speaker 2>you get a blizzard later this week. My name is

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Ray and I'm kind of going on here a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. But that's what happens when the Red Sox lose. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>put that out of your mind. We can't be thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about the Red Sox, gonna be thinking about Nightside. Rob

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<v Speaker 2>Brooks is back at the control room. He is all set.

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<v Speaker 2>All of New England is thinking about the Red Sox,

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<v Speaker 2>but all of New England is also thinking about Nightside,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's my responsibility. So we have four very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>guests coming up this hour tonight, at like nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about social security because I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's important to get maybe take the temperature down a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit on that and it's important to folks who

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<v Speaker 2>are unsocial security right now, but also folks who are

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<v Speaker 2>paying into social security and make sure that those people

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<v Speaker 2>who are just entering social security understand that the system

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<v Speaker 2>has worked for a long time. Tomorrow night, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be joined. We were supposed to be joined tonight

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<v Speaker 2>by Jim Roosevelt, Boston lawyer, grandson of Franklin Delano Roosevelt,

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<v Speaker 2>who of course actually signed the Social Security Law back

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty five. There's also a great article in

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<v Speaker 2>Today's Boston Globe by Sean Murphy that I would commend

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<v Speaker 2>to you highly. And then later on I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>criticize ICE a little bit. I think that they are

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<v Speaker 2>a little out over their skis here, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is not a good look to arrest people while

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<v Speaker 2>you're wearing, you know, undercovered garments. You're not in uniform

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<v Speaker 2>streak clothes as it were, you're handcuffing thirty year old

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<v Speaker 2>toughs university student. I have no idea what the allegations

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<v Speaker 2>are specifically, and we'll talk about that beginning sometime later tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>probably at ten o'clock. But first I want to welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to night's side, Steph Solace of Axio's Boston Xio's

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<v Speaker 2>Boston reporter. Hi, Steph, welcome back. How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much? I'm good. How about yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, other than the Red Sox, it's been a really

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<v Speaker 2>nice day. I mean it wasn't nice weather wise, it

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<v Speaker 2>really was horrible. And the Red Sox game was even

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<v Speaker 2>worse than the weather, and I watched it, and as

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell, it has had an impact on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume you're a Red Sox.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say as a transplant, I am based agnostic.

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<v Speaker 3>But I understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're not suffering.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, it's to be masochistic in some way.

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<v Speaker 2>You Well, no, we had we had four very good

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<v Speaker 2>years two thousand and four, two thousand and seven, twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty fourteen, I think we have more Major League

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball World Championships this century than any other team in baseball.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's how the years in between that caused so

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<v Speaker 3>much pain.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like, well, I know, but we've gotten over that.

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<v Speaker 2>We we just we just don't want to go back.

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<v Speaker 2>We cannot go back to another drought like that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I thank you for giving me some counseling as well

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<v Speaker 2>as being available as a guest to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>Karen Reed trial or Karen Reed Trial number two, which

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<v Speaker 2>starts tomorrow. I know you're all over this, but and

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<v Speaker 2>later on this hour, we're going to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>first part of the trial, which is jury selection with

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<v Speaker 2>my friend Phil Tracy, Boston attorney. We'll talk about that,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's talk about how wild a scene do you

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<v Speaker 2>think we're going to see tomorrow. I guess they have

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<v Speaker 2>moved back the areas where people can gather further and

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<v Speaker 2>further away from the courthouse. Do you think that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to defuse some of the passion and the tension that's

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<v Speaker 2>out there stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it'll at least contain it a little farther

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<v Speaker 3>from the courthouse, but it's definitely not going to diffuse

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<v Speaker 3>the passion that's existed. I mean, either are folks from

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<v Speaker 3>across New England coming down to you know, protest this

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<v Speaker 3>retrial or at least protest the prosecution of Karen Reid.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, this is the second time around. This

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<v Speaker 3>is years, a year's long process, you know, the investigation

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<v Speaker 3>and prosecution here, and to see so many people still

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<v Speaker 3>coming out that, if anything, is an indication of just

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<v Speaker 3>how much tension and how much attention has been given

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<v Speaker 3>to this case.

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<v Speaker 2>What's crazy about the trial is not only did it

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<v Speaker 2>appear to me that the jury did not understand the

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<v Speaker 2>judge's instructions or the judge did not offer clear instructions

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<v Speaker 2>to the jury, and that's why we had that whole

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<v Speaker 2>hullabaloo of the last few months about whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>the jury had or had not agreed that she should

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<v Speaker 2>be acquitted on charges one and three, And of course

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<v Speaker 2>the courts have not given her any leeway there, so

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<v Speaker 2>she's going to face retrial on all three charges. Today

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<v Speaker 2>the judge apparently decided that some of the defense strategies

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<v Speaker 2>would be permitted, some wouldn't be permitted. It seems to

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<v Speaker 2>me this is a pretty heavy involvement by a judge

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<v Speaker 2>in this trial, and I would have been tempted if

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<v Speaker 2>I were her defensal attorney. And maybe they still will

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<v Speaker 2>ask this judge to recuse herself. She has a good reputation,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's become so embroiled in all of these questions

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<v Speaker 2>about her judgment. I hope she's able to conduct the

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<v Speaker 2>trial fairly Trial number two. Do you have any thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>on that idea?

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<v Speaker 3>So, if anything's different, I think it's that she will

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<v Speaker 3>at least make sure that jury instructions are clear when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to deliberating a verdict at the end. Because

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<v Speaker 3>Consid's twenty twenty, and whether or not it was her

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<v Speaker 3>fault or some of the jury's misunderstanding and the failure

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<v Speaker 3>of consensus on all three counts, all three charges, no

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<v Speaker 3>matter who's the blame, if anyone, that's something that I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be taken care of. I can't speak to the rest

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<v Speaker 2>Sure not trying to put I have a little more

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<v Speaker 2>flexibility here, so I didn't mean to put you on

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<v Speaker 2>the spot. It just seems to me that that that

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<v Speaker 2>I would not be surprised. I don't know if the

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<v Speaker 2>defense lawyers might at some point ask her to recuse herself.

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<v Speaker 2>Now maybe they figured that that's only that's not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>win any any favor from her, But it's it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been one of those trials that, for some reason,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has elements obviously it's a police officer who

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<v Speaker 2>sadly has lost his life, would not exactly beyond a

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable doubt as to what caused it. Was it Karen

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<v Speaker 2>Reid backing up? Was it something that happened after she left?

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<v Speaker 2>That's obviously for the For the second set of jurors.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing that's interesting, and I'm sure you can

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<v Speaker 2>comment on this. One of the alternate jurors who was

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<v Speaker 2>not involved in the deliberations, but sat there through the

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<v Speaker 2>entire trial. They did not dismiss the alternate jurors until

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<v Speaker 2>they reduced it from sixteen to twelve. She's now part

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<v Speaker 2>of the defense team. This alternate jurist happen to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer. Lawyer can lawyers, can appear for a jury

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<v Speaker 2>duty and can be placed on juries. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>another twist that I've never seen in my experiences here

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<v Speaker 2>in Boston, which adds another interesting element to this second trial.

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<v Speaker 3>This trial has just been full of twists and turns,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, depending on where you stand on everything,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a spectacle that has just become increasingly dramatic or

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<v Speaker 3>can be seen as a series of distractions. Whether it's

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<v Speaker 3>Victoria George joining the defense team, whether it's the alleged

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<v Speaker 3>witness intimidate or involvement related to Aiden Kearney, the blogger,

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<v Speaker 3>or the situation with the state trooper Michael Proctor who's

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<v Speaker 3>now no longer employed by the State Police. There's just

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<v Speaker 3>so many things that almost seem ancillary or tangential to

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<v Speaker 3>the crux of this, which is whether or not Karen

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<v Speaker 3>Reid is at fault for the killing of John O'Keefe,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's I think that just adds to a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the speculation about what really happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'll tell you And as sad as this

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<v Speaker 2>is to say, if there's not a movie made of this,

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<v Speaker 2>and again we cannot forget that a person lost his life,

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<v Speaker 2>but if there's not some sort of made for TV

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<v Speaker 2>movie or some other movie made this story, I will

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<v Speaker 2>be very surprised. Steph Solis, Axio's Boston reporter, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much for commiserating me with me as much as

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<v Speaker 2>you could about the Red Sox now one in four.

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<v Speaker 2>Do appreciate whatever limited support you were able to give

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<v Speaker 2>me emotionally, But I was very helpful. Well, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>how that's helpful too. That's another we kind of Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there is still one hundred and fifty seven games left

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<v Speaker 2>in the season. Absolutely, Steph, thanks so much. You're good sport.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thanks taking you're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we come back when we talk about a prediction

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<v Speaker 2>that Bill Gatesman. He said within ten years, humans won't

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<v Speaker 2>be needed for most things. Boy does that sound dystopian.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk to an AI inventor and technologist

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<v Speaker 2>and author of a book called Transcend Unlocking Humanity in

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<v Speaker 2>the Age of AI. Coming back on Nightside. This is

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty four seven, three sixty five. That's my suggestion for

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I am not a big fan of Bill Gates,

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<v Speaker 2>what you what you'd call a scholar's a meeting, a

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<v Speaker 2>mensa meeting that ten years from now, within ten years,

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<v Speaker 2>humans won't be needed for most things. That's not hell,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not good with me? Is Faisal Hawk Fisal an

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<v Speaker 2>AI innovator and a technologist. He's off. He's also the

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<v Speaker 2>author of a book called Transgend Transcend Unlocking Humanity in

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<v Speaker 2>the Age of Ai. Faisel, Welcome to nightside. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing well?

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been a big fan of Bill Gates. To

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<v Speaker 2>be really honest with you, I'm not not my my

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<v Speaker 2>cup of tea. But when he makes this prediction humans

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<v Speaker 2>won't be needed for most things, I think, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know nothing about AI, you do, but I think he

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<v Speaker 2>is what what what do you think of that? Am

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<v Speaker 2>I off? Beat? Here? Off? You know? Off? Am I

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<v Speaker 2>so far out of reality that that that Gates has

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<v Speaker 2>nailed it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I mean it's already happening, whether we like it

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<v Speaker 4>you can see how gradually it has taken over in

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<v Speaker 4>show or food you order, or you know, the things

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<v Speaker 4>you read. And now there are these humanoid robots that

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<v Speaker 4>are being built by Nvidia and Tesla and others that

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<v Speaker 4>will be that will be able to do work in

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<v Speaker 4>a physical form like a restaurant. You know, in restaurant,

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<v Speaker 4>it'll be able to cook food for you, serve food

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<v Speaker 4>for you, self driving cars, and obviously there's all sorts

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<v Speaker 4>of research assistant that are basically AI persona when in

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<v Speaker 4>software that helps you to do that. So once you

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<v Speaker 4>add all that up, many of the many of the

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<v Speaker 4>jobs as we know today is no longer going to

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<v Speaker 4>be the same. And within ten, fifteen, twenty years, I

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<v Speaker 4>He's kind of right in the sense that a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the stuff that we do, whether that's physical, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me let me discuss it with you then,

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<v Speaker 2>fazl Okay, I've been in you know, I've rode in

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that. But and you go through grocery stores

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<v Speaker 2>and now it's all automatic checkout lines, okay, or mostly

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<v Speaker 2>automatic checkout lines, which I refuse to go through. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest with you because I like to actually

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<v Speaker 2>deal with a clerk and maybe sometimes ask questions. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that people will argue that, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>won't have any need for mail anymore, so therefore the

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<v Speaker 2>post officers. But we're always going to need teachers. As

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<v Speaker 2>far as I'm concerned, I don't want my kid or

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<v Speaker 2>to need, you know, professional sports. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>go watch a basketball game at Madison Square Garden between

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<v Speaker 2>two teams, the robots and the audit autumn on's. I

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<v Speaker 2>just think this is over sold. I remember watching cartoons

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid that you know, the Jetsons, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you're younger than I am because everybody is well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, thirty years from now, people will be flying,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be flying cars to work. How did that work out?

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't. So I'm just fighting this trend a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand AI has has value, but who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>take care of people in nursing homes. Who's when when

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<v Speaker 2>Who's going to take the places of nurses and doctors?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're gonna send it sit with a robot.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's gonna tell you do you do you really see

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<v Speaker 2>that as the future?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, let me let me, let me put it.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know more than I do. But I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to throw my a couple of punches your way. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm glad you're you're doing that because you know

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<v Speaker 4>the book I just finished writing after three years of

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<v Speaker 4>middle of the road. I am super optimistic about future,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm also very cautious about future because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>here's a way to look at it. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we've been talking about a lot of these

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<v Speaker 4>at a critical factor. And you know, and there's also

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<v Speaker 4>a generational change that's happening. So for example, you know

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<v Speaker 4>you're talking about you don't like self driving car? Neither

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<v Speaker 4>do I. I still like my state ship, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the convertible decity in my coupe. Turn that out because

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<v Speaker 4>it's my freedom and it's my love or whatever. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>But if you look at the next generation, they have

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<v Speaker 4>grown up with technology and they're more used they're more

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<v Speaker 4>comfortable dealing with technology, and that acceleration of technology is

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<v Speaker 4>kind of being now driven by them, also adopted by them,

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<v Speaker 4>et cetera, et cetera. So and the fact is that

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of these technology is already here, right. So,

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<v Speaker 4>and if you look at there's a couple of factors

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<v Speaker 4>that will change how fast and how critically it gets accepted. So,

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<v Speaker 4>for example, it's the profit margin of corporations, because corporations

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<v Speaker 4>are there to make money, so they will do anything

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<v Speaker 4>and everything to optimize and be more efficient and ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>gener more profit. So that's one driver. Second driver is

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<v Speaker 4>that adoption. You are mean may not like sitting in

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<v Speaker 4>the back of a self driving car. I'd rather drive

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<v Speaker 4>my own car. I mean, I experienced driving in Germany

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<v Speaker 4>where I had like a semi automatic car and it's

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<v Speaker 4>constantly correcting, you know, with the lain correction and how

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<v Speaker 4>fast I'm going and telling you that I should have

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>But so there's that generational change. And the third element

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<v Speaker 4>is that we have never had any kind of technology

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<v Speaker 4>in human history which can actually think for itself and

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<v Speaker 4>had the ability to create a collective intelligence base. That's

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<v Speaker 4>much more you know, intelligence than you are me as

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<v Speaker 4>an individual. Right, So when you add all those three factors, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>there are things that's going to be dramatically changed. You

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned this not you know that who's going to take

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<v Speaker 4>care of our parents and in nursing home and doctors

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<v Speaker 4>and whatnot. So let me give you a very personal experience.

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<v Speaker 4>thank you, who was in a nursing home and she

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<v Speaker 4>suffered from you know, the dementia and tail end of

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<v Speaker 4>her life. I was very much wishing there was a

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<v Speaker 4>companion that's not going to react, just calm her down,

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<v Speaker 4>rather than the nursing uh, you know, nursing home staff

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<v Speaker 4>who were you know, it was very it's very difficult

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<v Speaker 4>to deal with that kind of patient because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm you know, an unemotional companion would in many

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<v Speaker 4>cases would have been much better for her. Another example,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, my son is a cancer survivor. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know we are pushing you know, the oncology community

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<v Speaker 4>is pushing the research boundary, utilizing a large scale, a

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<v Speaker 4>large language model, and other other competing model to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out what's the predictive nature of the the disease and

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<v Speaker 4>what's the best uh you know path for uh you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the treatment that is very individualistic rather than you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, Look, I agree with you. There's there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of progress in a lot of areas. I should

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<v Speaker 2>have you backfires because I've got three guests, four guests,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got to get to my next guest unfortunates.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'd love to have you back because you're an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting guy and you and you come back with some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good arguments, and I think we could have a

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<v Speaker 2>really good hour if we incorporate phone callers. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to let my producer getting back. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to mention your book again. It is

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<v Speaker 2>called transcend Unlocking Humanity in the Age of Ai. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to it. We'll have a really good hour,

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<v Speaker 2>incorporate some phone callers as well. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for being with us tonight. In the Thank you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk soon. Okay, we get back. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about an invasive species along the Massachusetts coast. You've

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<v Speaker 2>probably never heard of these green crabs. Way do you

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<v Speaker 2>hear what someone has come up with to eliminate this threat?

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<v Speaker 2>This is amazing. Stay with us right back right after

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<v Speaker 2>the news.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I had never heard of this, and I try

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<v Speaker 2>to keep up on things, but European green crabs sounds painful.

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<v Speaker 2>Are an invasive species inhabiting and destroying Massachusetts coasts. Why

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<v Speaker 2>didn't I know about this? With us is my guest

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<v Speaker 2>Sharon saint Ours, who runs a family business and has

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<v Speaker 2>created a new dehydrated crab broth from these invasive European

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<v Speaker 2>green crabs? How long have these green crabs been on

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<v Speaker 2>our shoreline? Sharon? How are you? How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 6>Good? Dan? Hi, thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god you guys have come up with a solution.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, let me first of all, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for that. How long have these little devils been out there?

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<v Speaker 6>They've been around for a couple of hundred years. Actually

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<v Speaker 6>they we think they came over on the ballast of

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<v Speaker 6>ships in the early to mid eighteen hundreds, So waste.

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<v Speaker 2>How come no one ever told me about this? I've

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<v Speaker 2>never heard. When did you first hear about these little critters?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I've seen them around, you know, for a very

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<v Speaker 6>long time. If you wade into I grew up on

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<v Speaker 6>the coastline, they're always crawling around your feet. So they've

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<v Speaker 6>been around for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>How bigger? How big are they?

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<v Speaker 5>How big are They're small?

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<v Speaker 6>They're small. They they're carapists or their body grows to

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<v Speaker 6>about three inches across and that's as about as because

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<v Speaker 6>they get three inches, Yeah, just three inches.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good size. Do they have the landing like

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<v Speaker 2>little antennae? Are we sure they're not like alien creatures?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Well from Europe?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's pretty ailing to me, I'll tell you that's

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. So they've been around for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I must be honest with you. I haven't been around since.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say the eighteen hundreds?

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<v Speaker 6>Right? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? All roomors to the contrary. I never lived during

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<v Speaker 2>the eighteen hundreds. I did live Durund the nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one ever warned me about green crabs. When

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<v Speaker 6>I went to I go to these speeches at the

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<v Speaker 6>they're becoming so abundant right now, they're not dying off

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<v Speaker 6>in the numbers that they used to do. They hibernate

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<v Speaker 6>in the winter time, they borrow into the marshes, and

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of them, a large number of them used

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<v Speaker 6>now they're just not being eliminated like they were before.

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<v Speaker 2>So are we talking I'm being very serious now, are

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<v Speaker 2>we talking about tens of thousands or are we talking

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<v Speaker 2>about millions of green crabs? Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>But at least there are thousands.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, there are thousands of them that you can

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<v Speaker 6>few traps that they're really easy to catch, their inshore crabs,

420
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<v Speaker 6>so you don't have to, you know, take your boat

421
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<v Speaker 6>out the ocean of very deep water. And they're they're

422
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<v Speaker 6>very voracious. They eat everything, they eat native species. So

423
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<v Speaker 6>they're becoming a real problem.

424
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<v Speaker 2>But they but they only grow to three three inches

425
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<v Speaker 2>and you said in with.

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<v Speaker 6>Or length in with like across there there body. And

427
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<v Speaker 6>that's the biggest size I've ever seen.

428
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<v Speaker 2>How long?

429
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<v Speaker 6>Very small?

430
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<v Speaker 2>If they're three inches in width, how long are these

431
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<v Speaker 2>dewt These little.

432
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<v Speaker 6>Guys, they're about you know, an inch and a half

433
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<v Speaker 6>by about three inches their legs. They don't have a

434
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<v Speaker 6>lot of leg or claw meat like a lot of

435
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:22.839
<v Speaker 6>the crabs that we like to eat, like the Jonah crab.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, okay, So you got a plan which is

437
00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:32.720
<v Speaker 2>to basically wipe these this invasive species out, and you

438
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.000
<v Speaker 2>have come up with a way to make clam broth.

439
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.359
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's your company. It's Saint Saint Ours Clambroth.

440
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:45.759
<v Speaker 6>Right. So our company has been around since nineteen seventy nine.

441
00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:50.319
<v Speaker 6>My father started the company, and we're taking sort of

442
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:53.480
<v Speaker 6>the byproduct of the fishing industry in this case. In

443
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:58.960
<v Speaker 6>the what he originally started the company with was utilizing

444
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:04.119
<v Speaker 6>the cookwater of clams and dehydrating it, making it into

445
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:10.039
<v Speaker 6>broth powder, which has a long shelf life. It's great

446
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:13.680
<v Speaker 6>in soups and you know, particularly New England clam chowder,

447
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:18.279
<v Speaker 6>which we all love around here. So I've applied the

448
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:23.440
<v Speaker 6>same sort of thinking to this problem and have made

449
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.279
<v Speaker 6>a dehydrated green crab broth powder.

450
00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So now my question is if it's a dehydrated

451
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.640
<v Speaker 2>clam broth powder, is it on the market at this point?

452
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:39.000
<v Speaker 6>We just announced it at the recent Seafood Expo at

453
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<v Speaker 6>the Boston Convention.

454
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Center and recently how recently.

455
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<v Speaker 6>This was around Saint Patrick's Day.

456
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's really recent. That's really recent. Okay, So where

457
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.079
<v Speaker 2>can people purchase the product? Do they either get it

458
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.960
<v Speaker 2>through Amazon through you or is it at retail store?

459
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:05.079
<v Speaker 6>Right now, just directly through us, and we're selling a

460
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:09.880
<v Speaker 6>food service size container of it to restaurants and we

461
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.359
<v Speaker 6>are also will be coming out with a retail product.

462
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what the big question is, I know what

463
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 2>clam chowder tastes, like, what do you do with Saint

464
00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Ours clam broth, which is, well, it's that's your company.

465
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.839
<v Speaker 2>What do you do with with this green crab broth?

466
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:34.839
<v Speaker 2>I assume that are you going to label it that?

467
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:39.039
<v Speaker 6>Are you going to Yes, we're calling it, we're calling

468
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.759
<v Speaker 6>it crab broth, but you know we have the little

469
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.400
<v Speaker 6>green crab on there, so you know it's the green

470
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:51.119
<v Speaker 6>crab and it's actually really delicious. It's the broth. Is

471
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 6>it has a sweetness that comes out of these crabs.

472
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:58.200
<v Speaker 6>They're very sweet in flavor and you know, a little

473
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<v Speaker 6>bit herbasious like you know, it has a little bit

474
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:06.880
<v Speaker 6>of a salinity, a seaweedy flavor as well, and they're

475
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:11.200
<v Speaker 6>used widely in Europe. They make an excellent stock, so

476
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:14.119
<v Speaker 6>you can use it as you would any any kind

477
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.880
<v Speaker 6>of fish stock or shell fish stock, and it makes

478
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 6>a delicious like a chiappino or a bullia base. We

479
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:29.279
<v Speaker 6>were at a restaurant show today and I watched chef

480
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:35.079
<v Speaker 6>David Standridge of the Shipwright's daughter from Connecticut make a

481
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 6>lovely bullyabase out of the green crabs.

482
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, So if if folks would like, if the

483
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.640
<v Speaker 2>people who are going to the restaurant, you're initially going

484
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.319
<v Speaker 2>to start with restaurants, and so you might see it

485
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:54.839
<v Speaker 2>on a menu somewhere, which is okay. And if there

486
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:59.039
<v Speaker 2>are people out there who are just dying to test

487
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 2>it out in their own case, can they contact you directly.

488
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to have imposed a thousand people looking

489
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.079
<v Speaker 2>for some green crab. You know, if you don't have it,

490
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.319
<v Speaker 2>but you tell me what works for you. Since you

491
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 2>were kind enough to undergo my inquisition, here about the

492
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 2>derivation and the size of green crabs. Go ahead, you

493
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:17.960
<v Speaker 2>better go.

494
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<v Speaker 6>Were Oh, thank you and thanks for talking to me too.

495
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 6>They can be we can be reached through our website

496
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<v Speaker 6>www dot Saint ours dot com and it's spelled out

497
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<v Speaker 6>s A I n T O u r s.

498
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<v Speaker 2>And they don't Yeah, they don't need the w w W.

499
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<v Speaker 2>We can eliminate that. That's a I N T like

500
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>the word Saint Ours. Oh u r s dot com?

501
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:48.680
<v Speaker 5>Correct?

502
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what's of Saint Ours? I thought I knew all

503
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.039
<v Speaker 2>the saints. I don't know any Saint Ours.

504
00:29:54.039 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 6>What's it's it's a French name. Yeah, we hail from Canada.

505
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:09.720
<v Speaker 2>And so was there a saint? Was there a saint

506
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>whose name was actually ours? Or no? I mean I know,

507
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:17.200
<v Speaker 2>I know? Okay, okay, good enough. So that's s A

508
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<v Speaker 2>I n T O U r s dot com. If

509
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.039
<v Speaker 2>you want to get some green crab broth, and hey,

510
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>I hope it's the next biggest thing, and maybe we'll

511
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<v Speaker 2>have you back at some point and talk about how

512
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<v Speaker 2>it's going through the roof for you.

513
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<v Speaker 6>Oh, that that would be great.

514
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.799
<v Speaker 2>The only the only little critters that I know of.

515
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.039
<v Speaker 2>I live in a fairly old house. And in the

516
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.759
<v Speaker 2>summertime we get these these green they almost look like crickets.

517
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.119
<v Speaker 2>They're called stink bugs. Do you know what I mean.

518
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:54.920
<v Speaker 6>By yes, get them to Yeah.

519
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Well sure, they're very evasive and when you crush them

520
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>with you know, piece of toilet paper, it's not an

521
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.960
<v Speaker 2>overwhelming but it's not a pleasant smell, you know, and

522
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh man, you know, that's that's what I

523
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:15.359
<v Speaker 2>was thinking of. Hopefully, Sharon, you a great sport. Thank

524
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.079
<v Speaker 2>you for your time tonight, and we'll check back with you, okay,

525
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.440
<v Speaker 2>let us know how you're doing. Thank you, Thank you

526
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:24.599
<v Speaker 2>very much, and thank you for talking to me. My pleasure.

527
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.559
<v Speaker 2>When we get back on to talk with old friend

528
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Phil Tracy, attorney, and we're going to talk about how

529
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<v Speaker 2>difficult it is going to be to select a jury

530
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.039
<v Speaker 2>in the the Karen Read trial number two. Coming back

531
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<v Speaker 2>on night Side right after.

532
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<v Speaker 1>This Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

533
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 2>My next guest is well known Boston criminal defense attorney

534
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Phil Tracy, a friend of mine for many many years.

535
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:52.240
<v Speaker 5>Phil.

536
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Nightside.

537
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.359
<v Speaker 5>How are you, Thanks Dan, Thank you very much.

538
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>So we are talking. We talked about the Karen read

539
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Trial at eight oh five with Steph Sallace or the

540
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Axios Reporter Axios Boston Reporter. Tomorrow, the trial, I guess

541
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:14.160
<v Speaker 2>doesn't technically start because the jury still has not been impaneled,

542
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's going to take a while for

543
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:20.319
<v Speaker 2>them to find a jury in this case. So let's

544
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>do jury selection one oh one, which I think we

545
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>both have such a sense of explain to the audience

546
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.640
<v Speaker 2>that you could become a juror even if you know

547
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:35.759
<v Speaker 2>about the trial, and I guess everybody in Massachusetts, if

548
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.960
<v Speaker 2>not the country, knows about the trial. What's the standard

549
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:40.599
<v Speaker 2>for a juror to be selected.

550
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.759
<v Speaker 5>Well, you want a juror who's honest with the judge

551
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 5>when she asks have you read heard do you know

552
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:54.319
<v Speaker 5>anything about this case? And of course if a juror says, oh,

553
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 5>I never heard of it, that's a telltale sign that

554
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.720
<v Speaker 5>that person is trying to get on the jury for

555
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 5>whatever reason, for the government or for the defendant. So

556
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:10.279
<v Speaker 5>you want jurors that say, I can keep an open mind,

557
00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:13.319
<v Speaker 5>I will listen to both the prosecution and the defense,

558
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:17.720
<v Speaker 5>and I'll make my determination based solely on what I

559
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:23.200
<v Speaker 5>receive in the court from the evidence, from the exhibits,

560
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.880
<v Speaker 5>and I will follow the judge's instruction. And that's a

561
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:34.119
<v Speaker 5>pretty simple thing. I think if you have intelligent people,

562
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.759
<v Speaker 5>they're going to say, yes, I've heard of it, and

563
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.759
<v Speaker 5>I can keep an open mind. And even if I

564
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 5>had a feeling about it before, I understand now I

565
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 5>must put that feeling out of my head and I

566
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:54.160
<v Speaker 5>should absolutely just listen to both sides and make my

567
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:59.559
<v Speaker 5>determination on proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Now this case

568
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.440
<v Speaker 5>has it's a lot of doubt. Whether it's reasonable or not,

569
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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

570
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's let's talk about this. The jury pool

571
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 2>is probably the largest jury pool that has ever been

572
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:16.800
<v Speaker 2>summoned in the history of Norfolk County. I think I

573
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.760
<v Speaker 2>read the number the other day. It was an astonishing

574
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.679
<v Speaker 2>jury pool. Yeah, I think the I think it took

575
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:26.920
<v Speaker 2>them six weeks. If I'm not mistaken to seat a

576
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.360
<v Speaker 2>jury in the first trial, I kind of assume it's

577
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.079
<v Speaker 2>going to take them at least at and maybe longer

578
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 2>to seat a solid jury. What's your thought on that.

579
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:43.320
<v Speaker 5>My thought is there is a juxtaposition here. The first

580
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:48.079
<v Speaker 5>jury probably had heard or read something about the case,

581
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 5>but the case now has been pried, it's been appealed,

582
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.639
<v Speaker 5>It's in the news constantly, both in print and on

583
00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:01.440
<v Speaker 5>the TV and on your show. So I think you

584
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.079
<v Speaker 5>might get some people to say, I want to do

585
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:06.960
<v Speaker 5>my civic duty. I want to go in there and

586
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.599
<v Speaker 5>keep an open mind. Now, remember years ago they used

587
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:18.239
<v Speaker 5>to sequest the juries, they would actually take them. Yeah. So,

588
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 5>and though that was very uncomfortable in a long case

589
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.199
<v Speaker 5>for anybody, but it did happen. And then they just

590
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:32.280
<v Speaker 5>in the age of of so much electronics, media everything,

591
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 5>it's it's it's impossible to uh, you don't need to

592
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:39.400
<v Speaker 5>lock them up. Now, what they did the last time

593
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:42.239
<v Speaker 5>is they the jurors would be bust in from a

594
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 5>location to keep their anonymity sacred. And that is something

595
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 5>very important that they not be bothered for their decision,

596
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:54.719
<v Speaker 5>whatever that decision is going to be. And you know,

597
00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 5>now in this case, the first case, the jurors, some

598
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Speaker 5>jurors came forward because they I think were certainly leaning

599
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:06.159
<v Speaker 5>towards her.

600
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.679
<v Speaker 2>Let me let me come back to sequestration. What do

601
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.159
<v Speaker 2>you think the chances are this jury will be so

602
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.920
<v Speaker 2>questioned and what do you think the chances are either

603
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 2>the defense or more likely the prosecution will follow motion

604
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>or change your venue.

605
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.159
<v Speaker 5>Well that's another thing too. I don't think you can

606
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.000
<v Speaker 5>get out of the venue of a disc of a

607
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 5>superior court in Massachusetts. Let's say you go out to Pittsfield.

608
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.199
<v Speaker 5>You're just people are going to know about this case

609
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:41.719
<v Speaker 5>and their local papers and on their television. So a

610
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:48.639
<v Speaker 5>federal case can be moved to another state. But you know,

611
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:53.920
<v Speaker 5>as you can go back to O. J. Simpson, Whitey, Belosia.

612
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 5>People know about these kind of cases. They're familiar with them.

613
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:02.119
<v Speaker 5>Some people live to to follow things, as we know

614
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:07.960
<v Speaker 5>the people that are outside uh rotesting and shouting, you know,

615
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:11.039
<v Speaker 5>So I mean people live for that kind of thing. Sometimes,

616
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:17.199
<v Speaker 5>as I am with twelve angry men with Henry Varda,

617
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.000
<v Speaker 5>I thought that was a grateful.

618
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, now I'm going to roll a hand grenade across

619
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.760
<v Speaker 2>the floor to you. Okay, you're a defense Okay. I

620
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 2>would be if I was on the read team, I

621
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:35.639
<v Speaker 2>would be mightily uh debating in my mind whether they

622
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.599
<v Speaker 2>would ask this judge, after all that's gone on to

623
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>accuse herself, what's your thought on that?

624
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:48.639
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think she's handled herself magnificently. She tried a

625
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:50.559
<v Speaker 5>very tough case. Twice.

626
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 2>She didn't do a great kill. She didn't do she

627
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.239
<v Speaker 2>didn't do a great job on the instructions.

628
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<v Speaker 5>Well that that let me get to that, but on

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<v Speaker 5>them because she knows how to keep I think she

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<v Speaker 5>knows how to keep a wildly impulsive case, something that

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<v Speaker 5>could blow up at any time. She's been able to

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<v Speaker 5>keep keep it calm throughout the first trial and throw

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<v Speaker 5>out the post trial motions. Now we know every judge

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<v Speaker 5>in the Superior will always in the future be saying

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<v Speaker 5>to the jury, well, have you voted on one.

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<v Speaker 6>Or the other?

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<v Speaker 2>I give you.

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<v Speaker 5>Cocain.

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<v Speaker 2>But come back to the recusal. It was if any

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<v Speaker 2>you file emotion to recuse, she denies it, you got

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<v Speaker 2>an appeal, another repealable issue potentially. And also I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're guaranteed she's going to probably maybe have to give

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<v Speaker 2>you a little bit of a break when it's a

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<v Speaker 2>close call. I think that would be a brilliant move

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<v Speaker 2>by the defense. Of course I came up with it,

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<v Speaker 2>so why why wouldn't I think it was a brilliant move.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Well, let me say this, Uh, she's rolled and

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<v Speaker 7>there favor or a lot of different things that I

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<v Speaker 7>thought she would she would not allow them to claim

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<v Speaker 7>that their theory of another person killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she not know. She knocked out a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>those theories today and she allowed a couple to a

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<v Speaker 2>couple to come in. So it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>son mask ruling.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it's interesting and I think a fresh

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<v Speaker 2>set of eyes in this case might be one that

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<v Speaker 2>would be that would be beneficial to call. Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be practicing in front of hers, so

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<v Speaker 2>I can say what I want. Yeah, And I believe that,

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<v Speaker 2>I really believe that. I think that at a certain

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<v Speaker 2>point in time, a judge becomes so familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>case and so you know, involved almost more than they

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<v Speaker 2>should be, that it sometimes it's time for a judge

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<v Speaker 2>to say, guess what, I did my best job on this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to pass it on to someone else.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not going it can happen. But let me say

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<v Speaker 5>one thing. You say, a new pair of eyes, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>talking about twenty four eyes twelve you'rors those eyes of

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<v Speaker 5>the guys that will decide the laws, guided.

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<v Speaker 2>Guided by a judge. Judge will anyway, Phil, I'll let

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<v Speaker 2>you run as always. Thanks much. I enjoyed so much.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Dan, I'll talk to you soon be well.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you too. When we get back, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about social Security. We had a guest schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have that guest tomorrow night. I'll explain

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<v Speaker 2>it all. And I want to talk to you about this, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think it's really important and i'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of tamp down some of the apprehension that people have.

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<v Speaker 2>I can understand why. That's what we'll talk about on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the nine o'clock News