Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray onbs Boston Radio.
Speaker 2: Karen, I don't know about you, but I'm a little
Speaker 2: worried right now. Okay, this is getting me a little bit.
Speaker 2: One and four to start the season. I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on, but I watched that game this afternoon
Speaker 2: and there was it was a nice little comeback at
Speaker 2: the end, but too little, too late. I'm I'm a
Speaker 2: little worried. I'm a little worried. My name is Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm the host of Nightside here every Monday through Friday
Speaker 2: night from eight until midnight. When I'm not worrying about
Speaker 2: belove at Boston Red Sox. Man, that was rough today. Well,
Speaker 2: tomorrow's though. They don't play tomorrow, so they gotta gotta
Speaker 2: wait till Wednesday for the for the next Red Sox win. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's an off day tomorrow. That's good. No loss, no
Speaker 2: loss tomorrow. As you can tell, it bothers me. It
Speaker 2: bothers me a great deal. But I have to I
Speaker 2: have to buckle down and I have to focus on Nightside,
Speaker 2: which I am gonna do for the next four hours.
Speaker 2: And I will take you from March thirty first all
Speaker 2: the way up to April first. I know it's April
Speaker 2: Fool's Day, but that's the truth. We only have a
Speaker 2: little less than four hours left in the month of March.
Speaker 2: Once March is by, I feel winter's gone. Why don't
Speaker 2: you get a blizzard later this week. My name is
Speaker 2: Dan Ray and I'm kind of going on here a
Speaker 2: little bit. But that's what happens when the Red Sox lose. Anyway,
Speaker 2: put that out of your mind. We can't be thinking
Speaker 2: about the Red Sox, gonna be thinking about Nightside. Rob
Speaker 2: Brooks is back at the control room. He is all set.
Speaker 2: All of New England is thinking about the Red Sox,
Speaker 2: but all of New England is also thinking about Nightside,
Speaker 2: and that's my responsibility. So we have four very interesting
Speaker 2: guests coming up this hour tonight, at like nine o'clock.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about social security because I think
Speaker 2: it's important to get maybe take the temperature down a
Speaker 2: little bit on that and it's important to folks who
Speaker 2: are unsocial security right now, but also folks who are
Speaker 2: paying into social security and make sure that those people
Speaker 2: who are just entering social security understand that the system
Speaker 2: has worked for a long time. Tomorrow night, we're going
Speaker 2: to be joined. We were supposed to be joined tonight
Speaker 2: by Jim Roosevelt, Boston lawyer, grandson of Franklin Delano Roosevelt,
Speaker 2: who of course actually signed the Social Security Law back
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty five. There's also a great article in
Speaker 2: Today's Boston Globe by Sean Murphy that I would commend
Speaker 2: to you highly. And then later on I'm going to
Speaker 2: criticize ICE a little bit. I think that they are
Speaker 2: a little out over their skis here, and I think
Speaker 2: it is not a good look to arrest people while
Speaker 2: you're wearing, you know, undercovered garments. You're not in uniform
Speaker 2: streak clothes as it were, you're handcuffing thirty year old
Speaker 2: toughs university student. I have no idea what the allegations
Speaker 2: are specifically, and we'll talk about that beginning sometime later tonight,
Speaker 2: probably at ten o'clock. But first I want to welcome
Speaker 2: back to night's side, Steph Solace of Axio's Boston Xio's
Speaker 2: Boston reporter. Hi, Steph, welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 3: Thank you very much? I'm good. How about yourself?
Speaker 2: Well, other than the Red Sox, it's been a really
Speaker 2: nice day. I mean it wasn't nice weather wise, it
Speaker 2: really was horrible. And the Red Sox game was even
Speaker 2: worse than the weather, and I watched it, and as
Speaker 2: you can tell, it has had an impact on me.
Speaker 2: I assume you're a Red Sox.
Speaker 3: I would say as a transplant, I am based agnostic.
Speaker 3: But I understand that.
Speaker 2: So you're not suffering.
Speaker 3: Man, it's to be masochistic in some way.
Speaker 2: You Well, no, we had we had four very good
Speaker 2: years two thousand and four, two thousand and seven, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, I think we have more Major League
Speaker 2: Baseball World Championships this century than any other team in baseball.
Speaker 3: So that's how the years in between that caused so
Speaker 3: much pain.
Speaker 2: It looks like, well, I know, but we've gotten over that.
Speaker 2: We we just we just don't want to go back.
Speaker 2: We cannot go back to another drought like that. And
Speaker 2: I thank you for giving me some counseling as well
Speaker 2: as being available as a guest to talk about the
Speaker 2: Karen Reed trial or Karen Reed Trial number two, which
Speaker 2: starts tomorrow. I know you're all over this, but and
Speaker 2: later on this hour, we're going to talk about the
Speaker 2: first part of the trial, which is jury selection with
Speaker 2: my friend Phil Tracy, Boston attorney. We'll talk about that,
Speaker 2: but let's talk about how wild a scene do you
Speaker 2: think we're going to see tomorrow. I guess they have
Speaker 2: moved back the areas where people can gather further and
Speaker 2: further away from the courthouse. Do you think that's going
Speaker 2: to defuse some of the passion and the tension that's
Speaker 2: out there stuff?
Speaker 3: I mean, it'll at least contain it a little farther
Speaker 3: from the courthouse, but it's definitely not going to diffuse
Speaker 3: the passion that's existed. I mean, either are folks from
Speaker 3: across New England coming down to you know, protest this
Speaker 3: retrial or at least protest the prosecution of Karen Reid.
Speaker 3: And you know, this is the second time around. This
Speaker 3: is years, a year's long process, you know, the investigation
Speaker 3: and prosecution here, and to see so many people still
Speaker 3: coming out that, if anything, is an indication of just
Speaker 3: how much tension and how much attention has been given
Speaker 3: to this case.
Speaker 2: What's crazy about the trial is not only did it
Speaker 2: appear to me that the jury did not understand the
Speaker 2: judge's instructions or the judge did not offer clear instructions
Speaker 2: to the jury, and that's why we had that whole
Speaker 2: hullabaloo of the last few months about whether or not
Speaker 2: the jury had or had not agreed that she should
Speaker 2: be acquitted on charges one and three, And of course
Speaker 2: the courts have not given her any leeway there, so
Speaker 2: she's going to face retrial on all three charges. Today
Speaker 2: the judge apparently decided that some of the defense strategies
Speaker 2: would be permitted, some wouldn't be permitted. It seems to
Speaker 2: me this is a pretty heavy involvement by a judge
Speaker 2: in this trial, and I would have been tempted if
Speaker 2: I were her defensal attorney. And maybe they still will
Speaker 2: ask this judge to recuse herself. She has a good reputation,
Speaker 2: but she's become so embroiled in all of these questions
Speaker 2: about her judgment. I hope she's able to conduct the
Speaker 2: trial fairly Trial number two. Do you have any thoughts
Speaker 2: on that idea?
Speaker 3: So, if anything's different, I think it's that she will
Speaker 3: at least make sure that jury instructions are clear when
Speaker 3: it comes to deliberating a verdict at the end. Because
Speaker 3: Consid's twenty twenty, and whether or not it was her
Speaker 3: fault or some of the jury's misunderstanding and the failure
Speaker 3: of consensus on all three counts, all three charges, no
Speaker 3: matter who's the blame, if anyone, that's something that I'll
Speaker 3: be taken care of. I can't speak to the rest
Speaker 3: of that, but you know, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure not trying to put I have a little more
Speaker 2: flexibility here, so I didn't mean to put you on
Speaker 2: the spot. It just seems to me that that that
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised. I don't know if the
Speaker 2: defense lawyers might at some point ask her to recuse herself.
Speaker 2: Now maybe they figured that that's only that's not gonna
Speaker 2: win any any favor from her, But it's it is.
Speaker 2: It's been one of those trials that, for some reason,
Speaker 2: and it has elements obviously it's a police officer who
Speaker 2: sadly has lost his life, would not exactly beyond a
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt as to what caused it. Was it Karen
Speaker 2: Reid backing up? Was it something that happened after she left?
Speaker 2: That's obviously for the For the second set of jurors.
Speaker 2: The other thing that's interesting, and I'm sure you can
Speaker 2: comment on this. One of the alternate jurors who was
Speaker 2: not involved in the deliberations, but sat there through the
Speaker 2: entire trial. They did not dismiss the alternate jurors until
Speaker 2: they reduced it from sixteen to twelve. She's now part
Speaker 2: of the defense team. This alternate jurist happen to be
Speaker 2: a lawyer. Lawyer can lawyers, can appear for a jury
Speaker 2: duty and can be placed on juries. And that is
Speaker 2: another twist that I've never seen in my experiences here
Speaker 2: in Boston, which adds another interesting element to this second trial.
Speaker 3: This trial has just been full of twists and turns,
Speaker 3: and you know, depending on where you stand on everything,
Speaker 3: it's a spectacle that has just become increasingly dramatic or
Speaker 3: can be seen as a series of distractions. Whether it's
Speaker 3: Victoria George joining the defense team, whether it's the alleged
Speaker 3: witness intimidate or involvement related to Aiden Kearney, the blogger,
Speaker 3: or the situation with the state trooper Michael Proctor who's
Speaker 3: now no longer employed by the State Police. There's just
Speaker 3: so many things that almost seem ancillary or tangential to
Speaker 3: the crux of this, which is whether or not Karen
Speaker 3: Reid is at fault for the killing of John O'Keefe,
Speaker 3: and it's I think that just adds to a lot
Speaker 3: of the speculation about what really happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll tell you And as sad as this
Speaker 2: is to say, if there's not a movie made of this,
Speaker 2: and again we cannot forget that a person lost his life,
Speaker 2: but if there's not some sort of made for TV
Speaker 2: movie or some other movie made this story, I will
Speaker 2: be very surprised. Steph Solis, Axio's Boston reporter, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for commiserating me with me as much as
Speaker 2: you could about the Red Sox now one in four.
Speaker 2: Do appreciate whatever limited support you were able to give
Speaker 2: me emotionally, But I was very helpful. Well, that's that's
Speaker 2: how that's helpful too. That's another we kind of Yeah,
Speaker 2: there is still one hundred and fifty seven games left
Speaker 2: in the season. Absolutely, Steph, thanks so much. You're good sport.
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks taking you're welcome.
Speaker 2: Well, we come back when we talk about a prediction
Speaker 2: that Bill Gatesman. He said within ten years, humans won't
Speaker 2: be needed for most things. Boy does that sound dystopian.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to an AI inventor and technologist
Speaker 2: and author of a book called Transcend Unlocking Humanity in
Speaker 2: the Age of AI. Coming back on Nightside. This is
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Speaker 2: You know, I am not a big fan of Bill Gates,
Speaker 2: and he has just dropped down in my book a
Speaker 2: little bit because he is. He apparently has stated on
Speaker 2: on a comedy a nighttime comedy show. So it wasn't
Speaker 2: what you what you'd call a scholar's a meeting, a
Speaker 2: mensa meeting that ten years from now, within ten years,
Speaker 2: humans won't be needed for most things. That's not hell,
Speaker 2: that's not good with me? Is Faisal Hawk Fisal an
Speaker 2: AI innovator and a technologist. He's off. He's also the
Speaker 2: author of a book called Transgend Transcend Unlocking Humanity in
Speaker 2: the Age of Ai. Faisel, Welcome to nightside. How are
Speaker 2: you doing well?
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: I've never been a big fan of Bill Gates. To
Speaker 2: be really honest with you, I'm not not my my
Speaker 2: cup of tea. But when he makes this prediction humans
Speaker 2: won't be needed for most things, I think, and I
Speaker 2: know nothing about AI, you do, but I think he
Speaker 2: is what what what do you think of that? Am
Speaker 2: I off? Beat? Here? Off? You know? Off? Am I
Speaker 2: so far out of reality that that that Gates has
Speaker 2: nailed it?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: Look, I mean it's already happening, whether we like it
Speaker 4: or not. So if you're in the community un following,
Speaker 4: you can see how gradually it has taken over in
Speaker 4: terms of the decision you make to see a particular
Speaker 4: show or food you order, or you know, the things
Speaker 4: you read. And now there are these humanoid robots that
Speaker 4: are being built by Nvidia and Tesla and others that
Speaker 4: will be that will be able to do work in
Speaker 4: a physical form like a restaurant. You know, in restaurant,
Speaker 4: it'll be able to cook food for you, serve food
Speaker 4: for you, self driving cars, and obviously there's all sorts
Speaker 4: of research assistant that are basically AI persona when in
Speaker 4: software that helps you to do that. So once you
Speaker 4: add all that up, many of the many of the
Speaker 4: jobs as we know today is no longer going to
Speaker 4: be the same. And within ten, fifteen, twenty years, I
Speaker 4: don't know whether it's ten years or whether it's fifteen years.
Speaker 4: He's kind of right in the sense that a lot
Speaker 4: of the stuff that we do, whether that's physical, you know,
Speaker 4: physical labor or intellectual labor, is going to be gone.
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me discuss it with you then,
Speaker 2: fazl Okay, I've been in you know, I've rode in
Speaker 2: one of the driving cars in in in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: I understand that. But and you go through grocery stores
Speaker 2: and now it's all automatic checkout lines, okay, or mostly
Speaker 2: automatic checkout lines, which I refuse to go through. Uh
Speaker 2: to be honest with you because I like to actually
Speaker 2: deal with a clerk and maybe sometimes ask questions. Uh.
Speaker 2: And I know that people will argue that, well, we
Speaker 2: won't have any need for mail anymore, so therefore the
Speaker 2: post officers. But we're always going to need teachers. As
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, I don't want my kid or
Speaker 2: my grandchild to be taught by a robot. We're going
Speaker 2: to need, you know, professional sports. I don't want to
Speaker 2: go watch a basketball game at Madison Square Garden between
Speaker 2: two teams, the robots and the audit autumn on's. I
Speaker 2: just think this is over sold. I remember watching cartoons
Speaker 2: as a kid that you know, the Jetsons, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure you're younger than I am because everybody is well,
Speaker 2: you know, thirty years from now, people will be flying,
Speaker 2: they'll be flying cars to work. How did that work out?
Speaker 2: It didn't. So I'm just fighting this trend a little bit.
Speaker 2: I understand AI has has value, but who's going to
Speaker 2: take care of people in nursing homes. Who's when when
Speaker 2: Who's going to take the places of nurses and doctors?
Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna send it sit with a robot.
Speaker 2: Who's gonna tell you do you do you really see
Speaker 2: that as the future?
Speaker 4: Well, let me let me, let me put it.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you,
Speaker 2: because you know more than I do. But I wanted
Speaker 2: to throw my a couple of punches your way. Go ahead.
Speaker 4: No, I'm glad you're you're doing that because you know
Speaker 4: the book I just finished writing after three years of
Speaker 4: research and thinking and and you know, doing the work
Speaker 4: is that, you know, I kind of come in the
Speaker 4: middle of the road. I am super optimistic about future,
Speaker 4: but I'm also very cautious about future because you know,
Speaker 4: here's a way to look at it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, we've been talking about a lot of these
Speaker 4: technology for a long time, but now it's finally reaching
Speaker 4: at a critical factor. And you know, and there's also
Speaker 4: a generational change that's happening. So for example, you know
Speaker 4: you're talking about you don't like self driving car? Neither
Speaker 4: do I. I still like my state ship, you know,
Speaker 4: the convertible decity in my coupe. Turn that out because
Speaker 4: it's my freedom and it's my love or whatever. Right,
Speaker 4: But if you look at the next generation, they have
Speaker 4: grown up with technology and they're more used they're more
Speaker 4: comfortable dealing with technology, and that acceleration of technology is
Speaker 4: kind of being now driven by them, also adopted by them,
Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. So and the fact is that
Speaker 4: a lot of these technology is already here, right. So,
Speaker 4: and if you look at there's a couple of factors
Speaker 4: that will change how fast and how critically it gets accepted. So,
Speaker 4: for example, it's the profit margin of corporations, because corporations
Speaker 4: are there to make money, so they will do anything
Speaker 4: and everything to optimize and be more efficient and ultimately
Speaker 4: gener more profit. So that's one driver. Second driver is
Speaker 4: that adoption. You are mean may not like sitting in
Speaker 4: the back of a self driving car. I'd rather drive
Speaker 4: my own car. I mean, I experienced driving in Germany
Speaker 4: where I had like a semi automatic car and it's
Speaker 4: constantly correcting, you know, with the lain correction and how
Speaker 4: fast I'm going and telling you that I should have
Speaker 4: a coffee paste.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: But so there's that generational change. And the third element
Speaker 4: is that we have never had any kind of technology
Speaker 4: in human history which can actually think for itself and
Speaker 4: had the ability to create a collective intelligence base. That's
Speaker 4: much more you know, intelligence than you are me as
Speaker 4: an individual. Right, So when you add all those three factors, uh,
Speaker 4: there are things that's going to be dramatically changed. You
Speaker 4: mentioned this not you know that who's going to take
Speaker 4: care of our parents and in nursing home and doctors
Speaker 4: and whatnot. So let me give you a very personal experience.
Speaker 4: Just recently lost my mother who was in nursing home
Speaker 4: thank you, who was in a nursing home and she
Speaker 4: suffered from you know, the dementia and tail end of
Speaker 4: her life. I was very much wishing there was a
Speaker 4: companion that's not going to react, just calm her down,
Speaker 4: rather than the nursing uh, you know, nursing home staff
Speaker 4: who were you know, it was very it's very difficult
Speaker 4: to deal with that kind of patient because you know,
Speaker 4: it takes a different kind of patient's label level and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So I'm you know, an unemotional companion would in many
Speaker 4: cases would have been much better for her. Another example,
Speaker 4: you know, my son is a cancer survivor. Uh, and
Speaker 4: you know we are pushing you know, the oncology community
Speaker 4: is pushing the research boundary, utilizing a large scale, a
Speaker 4: large language model, and other other competing model to figure
Speaker 4: out what's the predictive nature of the the disease and
Speaker 4: what's the best uh you know path for uh you know,
Speaker 4: the treatment that is very individualistic rather than you know,
Speaker 4: one formal applies for everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, Look, I agree with you. There's there's a
Speaker 2: lot of progress in a lot of areas. I should
Speaker 2: have you backfires because I've got three guests, four guests,
Speaker 2: and I got to get to my next guest unfortunates.
Speaker 2: But I'd love to have you back because you're an
Speaker 2: interesting guy and you and you come back with some
Speaker 2: pretty good arguments, and I think we could have a
Speaker 2: really good hour if we incorporate phone callers. So I'm
Speaker 2: going to let my producer getting back. In the meantime,
Speaker 2: I just want to mention your book again. It is
Speaker 2: called transcend Unlocking Humanity in the Age of Ai. Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it. We'll have a really good hour,
Speaker 2: incorporate some phone callers as well. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for being with us tonight. In the Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon. Okay, we get back. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk about an invasive species along the Massachusetts coast. You've
Speaker 2: probably never heard of these green crabs. Way do you
Speaker 2: hear what someone has come up with to eliminate this threat?
Speaker 2: This is amazing. Stay with us right back right after
Speaker 2: the news.
Speaker 1: Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, I had never heard of this, and I try
Speaker 2: to keep up on things, but European green crabs sounds painful.
Speaker 2: Are an invasive species inhabiting and destroying Massachusetts coasts. Why
Speaker 2: didn't I know about this? With us is my guest
Speaker 2: Sharon saint Ours, who runs a family business and has
Speaker 2: created a new dehydrated crab broth from these invasive European
Speaker 2: green crabs? How long have these green crabs been on
Speaker 2: our shoreline? Sharon? How are you? How are you tonight?
Speaker 6: Good? Dan? Hi, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Thank god you guys have come up with a solution.
Speaker 2: By the way, let me first of all, thank you
Speaker 2: for that. How long have these little devils been out there?
Speaker 6: They've been around for a couple of hundred years. Actually
Speaker 6: they we think they came over on the ballast of
Speaker 6: ships in the early to mid eighteen hundreds, So waste.
Speaker 2: How come no one ever told me about this? I've
Speaker 2: never heard. When did you first hear about these little critters?
Speaker 6: Well, I've seen them around, you know, for a very
Speaker 6: long time. If you wade into I grew up on
Speaker 6: a river, if you wade out into the river on
Speaker 6: the coastline, they're always crawling around your feet. So they've
Speaker 6: been around for a while.
Speaker 2: How bigger? How big are they?
Speaker 5: How big are They're small?
Speaker 6: They're small. They they're carapists or their body grows to
Speaker 6: about three inches across and that's as about as because
Speaker 6: they get three inches, Yeah, just three inches.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good size. Do they have the landing like
Speaker 2: little antennae? Are we sure they're not like alien creatures?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well from Europe?
Speaker 2: Well that's pretty ailing to me, I'll tell you that's
Speaker 2: for sure. So they've been around for a long time.
Speaker 2: I must be honest with you. I haven't been around since.
Speaker 2: Would you say the eighteen hundreds?
Speaker 6: Right? Right?
Speaker 2: Okay? All roomors to the contrary. I never lived during
Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds. I did live Durund the nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: and no one ever warned me about green crabs. When
Speaker 2: did you first learn about them?
Speaker 6: I went to I go to these speeches at the
Speaker 6: North or South River Watershed Association, and then back in
Speaker 6: twenty seventeen, I went to a lecture series and they
Speaker 6: were discussing, you know what problems they've created that because
Speaker 6: they're becoming so abundant right now, they're not dying off
Speaker 6: in the numbers that they used to do. They hibernate
Speaker 6: in the winter time, they borrow into the marshes, and
Speaker 6: a lot of them, a large number of them used
Speaker 6: to die off in the winter in the cold. But
Speaker 6: now they're just not being eliminated like they were before.
Speaker 2: So are we talking I'm being very serious now, are
Speaker 2: we talking about tens of thousands or are we talking
Speaker 2: about millions of green crabs? Oh?
Speaker 6: I don't I don't actually know that number.
Speaker 5: But at least there are thousands.
Speaker 6: I mean, there are thousands of them that you can
Speaker 6: pull out in during a season, like just with a
Speaker 6: few traps that they're really easy to catch, their inshore crabs,
Speaker 6: so you don't have to, you know, take your boat
Speaker 6: out the ocean of very deep water. And they're they're
Speaker 6: very voracious. They eat everything, they eat native species. So
Speaker 6: they're becoming a real problem.
Speaker 2: But they but they only grow to three three inches
Speaker 2: and you said in with.
Speaker 6: Or length in with like across there there body. And
Speaker 6: that's the biggest size I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: How long?
Speaker 6: Very small?
Speaker 2: If they're three inches in width, how long are these
Speaker 2: dewt These little.
Speaker 6: Guys, they're about you know, an inch and a half
Speaker 6: by about three inches their legs. They don't have a
Speaker 6: lot of leg or claw meat like a lot of
Speaker 6: the crabs that we like to eat, like the Jonah crab.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, okay, So you got a plan which is
Speaker 2: to basically wipe these this invasive species out, and you
Speaker 2: have come up with a way to make clam broth.
Speaker 2: And it's it's your company. It's Saint Saint Ours Clambroth.
Speaker 6: Right. So our company has been around since nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 6: My father started the company, and we're taking sort of
Speaker 6: the byproduct of the fishing industry in this case. In
Speaker 6: the what he originally started the company with was utilizing
Speaker 6: the cookwater of clams and dehydrating it, making it into
Speaker 6: broth powder, which has a long shelf life. It's great
Speaker 6: in soups and you know, particularly New England clam chowder,
Speaker 6: which we all love around here. So I've applied the
Speaker 6: same sort of thinking to this problem and have made
Speaker 6: a dehydrated green crab broth powder.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now my question is if it's a dehydrated
Speaker 2: clam broth powder, is it on the market at this point?
Speaker 6: We just announced it at the recent Seafood Expo at
Speaker 6: the Boston Convention.
Speaker 2: Center and recently how recently.
Speaker 6: This was around Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's really recent. That's really recent. Okay, So where
Speaker 2: can people purchase the product? Do they either get it
Speaker 2: through Amazon through you or is it at retail store?
Speaker 6: Right now, just directly through us, and we're selling a
Speaker 6: food service size container of it to restaurants and we
Speaker 6: are also will be coming out with a retail product.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what the big question is, I know what
Speaker 2: clam chowder tastes, like, what do you do with Saint
Speaker 2: Ours clam broth, which is, well, it's that's your company.
Speaker 2: What do you do with with this green crab broth?
Speaker 2: I assume that are you going to label it that?
Speaker 6: Are you going to Yes, we're calling it, we're calling
Speaker 6: it crab broth, but you know we have the little
Speaker 6: green crab on there, so you know it's the green
Speaker 6: crab and it's actually really delicious. It's the broth. Is
Speaker 6: it has a sweetness that comes out of these crabs.
Speaker 6: They're very sweet in flavor and you know, a little
Speaker 6: bit herbasious like you know, it has a little bit
Speaker 6: of a salinity, a seaweedy flavor as well, and they're
Speaker 6: used widely in Europe. They make an excellent stock, so
Speaker 6: you can use it as you would any any kind
Speaker 6: of fish stock or shell fish stock, and it makes
Speaker 6: a delicious like a chiappino or a bullia base. We
Speaker 6: were at a restaurant show today and I watched chef
Speaker 6: David Standridge of the Shipwright's daughter from Connecticut make a
Speaker 6: lovely bullyabase out of the green crabs.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So if if folks would like, if the
Speaker 2: people who are going to the restaurant, you're initially going
Speaker 2: to start with restaurants, and so you might see it
Speaker 2: on a menu somewhere, which is okay. And if there
Speaker 2: are people out there who are just dying to test
Speaker 2: it out in their own case, can they contact you directly.
Speaker 2: I don't want to have imposed a thousand people looking
Speaker 2: for some green crab. You know, if you don't have it,
Speaker 2: but you tell me what works for you. Since you
Speaker 2: were kind enough to undergo my inquisition, here about the
Speaker 2: derivation and the size of green crabs. Go ahead, you
Speaker 2: better go.
Speaker 6: Were Oh, thank you and thanks for talking to me too.
Speaker 6: They can be we can be reached through our website
Speaker 6: www dot Saint ours dot com and it's spelled out
Speaker 6: s A I n T O u r s.
Speaker 2: And they don't Yeah, they don't need the w w W.
Speaker 2: We can eliminate that. That's a I N T like
Speaker 2: the word Saint Ours. Oh u r s dot com?
Speaker 5: Correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's of Saint Ours? I thought I knew all
Speaker 2: the saints. I don't know any Saint Ours.
Speaker 6: What's it's it's a French name. Yeah, we hail from Canada.
Speaker 2: And so was there a saint? Was there a saint
Speaker 2: whose name was actually ours? Or no? I mean I know,
Speaker 2: I know? Okay, okay, good enough. So that's s A
Speaker 2: I n T O U r s dot com. If
Speaker 2: you want to get some green crab broth, and hey,
Speaker 2: I hope it's the next biggest thing, and maybe we'll
Speaker 2: have you back at some point and talk about how
Speaker 2: it's going through the roof for you.
Speaker 6: Oh, that that would be great.
Speaker 2: The only the only little critters that I know of.
Speaker 2: I live in a fairly old house. And in the
Speaker 2: summertime we get these these green they almost look like crickets.
Speaker 2: They're called stink bugs. Do you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: By yes, get them to Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well sure, they're very evasive and when you crush them
Speaker 2: with you know, piece of toilet paper, it's not an
Speaker 2: overwhelming but it's not a pleasant smell, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh man, you know, that's that's what I
Speaker 2: was thinking of. Hopefully, Sharon, you a great sport. Thank
Speaker 2: you for your time tonight, and we'll check back with you, okay,
Speaker 2: let us know how you're doing. Thank you, Thank you
Speaker 2: very much, and thank you for talking to me. My pleasure.
Speaker 2: When we get back on to talk with old friend
Speaker 2: Phil Tracy, attorney, and we're going to talk about how
Speaker 2: difficult it is going to be to select a jury
Speaker 2: in the the Karen Read trial number two. Coming back
Speaker 2: on night Side right after.
Speaker 1: This Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: My next guest is well known Boston criminal defense attorney
Speaker 2: Phil Tracy, a friend of mine for many many years.
Speaker 5: Phil.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Nightside.
Speaker 5: How are you, Thanks Dan, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: So we are talking. We talked about the Karen read
Speaker 2: Trial at eight oh five with Steph Sallace or the
Speaker 2: Axios Reporter Axios Boston Reporter. Tomorrow, the trial, I guess
Speaker 2: doesn't technically start because the jury still has not been impaneled,
Speaker 2: and I think it's going to take a while for
Speaker 2: them to find a jury in this case. So let's
Speaker 2: do jury selection one oh one, which I think we
Speaker 2: both have such a sense of explain to the audience
Speaker 2: that you could become a juror even if you know
Speaker 2: about the trial, and I guess everybody in Massachusetts, if
Speaker 2: not the country, knows about the trial. What's the standard
Speaker 2: for a juror to be selected.
Speaker 5: Well, you want a juror who's honest with the judge
Speaker 5: when she asks have you read heard do you know
Speaker 5: anything about this case? And of course if a juror says, oh,
Speaker 5: I never heard of it, that's a telltale sign that
Speaker 5: that person is trying to get on the jury for
Speaker 5: whatever reason, for the government or for the defendant. So
Speaker 5: you want jurors that say, I can keep an open mind,
Speaker 5: I will listen to both the prosecution and the defense,
Speaker 5: and I'll make my determination based solely on what I
Speaker 5: receive in the court from the evidence, from the exhibits,
Speaker 5: and I will follow the judge's instruction. And that's a
Speaker 5: pretty simple thing. I think if you have intelligent people,
Speaker 5: they're going to say, yes, I've heard of it, and
Speaker 5: I can keep an open mind. And even if I
Speaker 5: had a feeling about it before, I understand now I
Speaker 5: must put that feeling out of my head and I
Speaker 5: should absolutely just listen to both sides and make my
Speaker 5: determination on proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Now this case
Speaker 5: has it's a lot of doubt. Whether it's reasonable or not,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's let's talk about this. The jury pool
Speaker 2: is probably the largest jury pool that has ever been
Speaker 2: summoned in the history of Norfolk County. I think I
Speaker 2: read the number the other day. It was an astonishing
Speaker 2: jury pool. Yeah, I think the I think it took
Speaker 2: them six weeks. If I'm not mistaken to seat a
Speaker 2: jury in the first trial, I kind of assume it's
Speaker 2: going to take them at least at and maybe longer
Speaker 2: to seat a solid jury. What's your thought on that.
Speaker 5: My thought is there is a juxtaposition here. The first
Speaker 5: jury probably had heard or read something about the case,
Speaker 5: but the case now has been pried, it's been appealed,
Speaker 5: It's in the news constantly, both in print and on
Speaker 5: the TV and on your show. So I think you
Speaker 5: might get some people to say, I want to do
Speaker 5: my civic duty. I want to go in there and
Speaker 5: keep an open mind. Now, remember years ago they used
Speaker 5: to sequest the juries, they would actually take them. Yeah. So,
Speaker 5: and though that was very uncomfortable in a long case
Speaker 5: for anybody, but it did happen. And then they just
Speaker 5: in the age of of so much electronics, media everything,
Speaker 5: it's it's it's impossible to uh, you don't need to
Speaker 5: lock them up. Now, what they did the last time
Speaker 5: is they the jurors would be bust in from a
Speaker 5: location to keep their anonymity sacred. And that is something
Speaker 5: very important that they not be bothered for their decision,
Speaker 5: whatever that decision is going to be. And you know,
Speaker 5: now in this case, the first case, the jurors, some
Speaker 5: jurors came forward because they I think were certainly leaning
Speaker 5: towards her.
Speaker 2: Let me let me come back to sequestration. What do
Speaker 2: you think the chances are this jury will be so
Speaker 2: questioned and what do you think the chances are either
Speaker 2: the defense or more likely the prosecution will follow motion
Speaker 2: or change your venue.
Speaker 5: Well that's another thing too. I don't think you can
Speaker 5: get out of the venue of a disc of a
Speaker 5: superior court in Massachusetts. Let's say you go out to Pittsfield.
Speaker 5: You're just people are going to know about this case
Speaker 5: and their local papers and on their television. So a
Speaker 5: federal case can be moved to another state. But you know,
Speaker 5: as you can go back to O. J. Simpson, Whitey, Belosia.
Speaker 5: People know about these kind of cases. They're familiar with them.
Speaker 5: Some people live to to follow things, as we know
Speaker 5: the people that are outside uh rotesting and shouting, you know,
Speaker 5: So I mean people live for that kind of thing. Sometimes,
Speaker 5: as I am with twelve angry men with Henry Varda,
Speaker 5: I thought that was a grateful.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm going to roll a hand grenade across
Speaker 2: the floor to you. Okay, you're a defense Okay. I
Speaker 2: would be if I was on the read team, I
Speaker 2: would be mightily uh debating in my mind whether they
Speaker 2: would ask this judge, after all that's gone on to
Speaker 2: accuse herself, what's your thought on that?
Speaker 5: Well, I think she's handled herself magnificently. She tried a
Speaker 5: very tough case. Twice.
Speaker 2: She didn't do a great kill. She didn't do she
Speaker 2: didn't do a great job on the instructions.
Speaker 5: Well that that let me get to that, but on
Speaker 5: them because she knows how to keep I think she
Speaker 5: knows how to keep a wildly impulsive case, something that
Speaker 5: could blow up at any time. She's been able to
Speaker 5: keep keep it calm throughout the first trial and throw
Speaker 5: out the post trial motions. Now we know every judge
Speaker 5: in the Superior will always in the future be saying
Speaker 5: to the jury, well, have you voted on one.
Speaker 6: Or the other?
Speaker 2: I give you.
Speaker 5: Cocain.
Speaker 2: But come back to the recusal. It was if any
Speaker 2: you file emotion to recuse, she denies it, you got
Speaker 2: an appeal, another repealable issue potentially. And also I think
Speaker 2: you're guaranteed she's going to probably maybe have to give
Speaker 2: you a little bit of a break when it's a
Speaker 2: close call. I think that would be a brilliant move
Speaker 2: by the defense. Of course I came up with it,
Speaker 2: so why why wouldn't I think it was a brilliant move.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, let me say this, Uh, she's rolled and
Speaker 7: there favor or a lot of different things that I
Speaker 7: thought she would she would not allow them to claim
Speaker 7: that their theory of another person killed.
Speaker 2: Well, she not know. She knocked out a couple of
Speaker 2: those theories today and she allowed a couple to a
Speaker 2: couple to come in. So it was kind of a
Speaker 2: son mask ruling.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I just think it's interesting and I think a fresh
Speaker 2: set of eyes in this case might be one that
Speaker 2: would be that would be beneficial to call. Well, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to be practicing in front of hers, so
Speaker 2: I can say what I want. Yeah, And I believe that,
Speaker 2: I really believe that. I think that at a certain
Speaker 2: point in time, a judge becomes so familiar with the
Speaker 2: case and so you know, involved almost more than they
Speaker 2: should be, that it sometimes it's time for a judge
Speaker 2: to say, guess what, I did my best job on this,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to pass it on to someone else.
Speaker 5: They're not going it can happen. But let me say
Speaker 5: one thing. You say, a new pair of eyes, I'm
Speaker 5: talking about twenty four eyes twelve you'rors those eyes of
Speaker 5: the guys that will decide the laws, guided.
Speaker 2: Guided by a judge. Judge will anyway, Phil, I'll let
Speaker 2: you run as always. Thanks much. I enjoyed so much.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Dan, I'll talk to you soon be well.
Speaker 2: All right, you too. When we get back, we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about social Security. We had a guest schedule.
Speaker 2: We're going to have that guest tomorrow night. I'll explain
Speaker 2: it all. And I want to talk to you about this, okay,
Speaker 2: because I think it's really important and i'd like to
Speaker 2: kind of tamp down some of the apprehension that people have.
Speaker 2: I can understand why. That's what we'll talk about on
Speaker 2: the other side of the nine o'clock News