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<v Speaker 1>Ask not what your country can do for you, ask

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<v Speaker 1>what you can do for your country.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister garbachow, tear down this wall.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the Ricochet Podcast with Steven Hayward. I'm James Lylax.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa Peter Robinson. He's back and who are we going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to?

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<v Speaker 3>Our meet Dylan? So let's Arizlve's a podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>And they're hoping that activists will get those tickets to

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<v Speaker 4>empty event. There's also a standby line that we usually

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<v Speaker 4>They refuse to let us do that, and they told us, quote,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not our job to fill the event. Well, University

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<v Speaker 4>of Berkeley, it's also not your job to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>our event is empty.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the Ricochet Podcast at number seven hundred and sixty six.

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<v Speaker 2>the most stimulating conversations and community on the web. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>James Lylax in a very overcast and very atumblal Minnesota, Minneapolis.

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen is.

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<v Speaker 2>While we're looking at Stephen in a bare room, he appeared.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like a liminal space from a video game

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<v Speaker 2>from nineteen ninety seven. We'll get to that in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>And Peter Robinson is with us. We had rob Long

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<v Speaker 2>last week, and now we've got Peter. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like we could just mash those two shows together.

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<v Speaker 3>It'd be like old times.

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<v Speaker 5>But Peter, Welcome, Welcome back, Welcome James. It's good, good,

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<v Speaker 5>very good to be here, very good to be here.

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<v Speaker 5>Although here in California it's a rainy, drippy day, it

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<v Speaker 5>sounds as though it's a similar to the day you're

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<v Speaker 5>having in Minneapolis.

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<v Speaker 6>Why did God give us Autumn Whoa's of the year?

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<v Speaker 5>No excuse excuse me. I put that, I put that,

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<v Speaker 5>I put that a little loosely. Why did God give

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<v Speaker 5>us the last third of autumn?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>The first a necessary transition from which we go from

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute chromatic glory that is well actually know, Audi

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<v Speaker 2>starts in full green involvement where everything is perfect and

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<v Speaker 2>everything's alive, and then it gradually diminishes, which can either

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<v Speaker 2>look as a shedding of identity to assume a new one,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can look at as death, or you can

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<v Speaker 2>look at as part of the cycle.

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<v Speaker 3>Of life and things.

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<v Speaker 2>So here even so, I'll be walking the dog in

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<v Speaker 2>the creek in the woods in a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 2>while most of the trees are scratching bare limbs against

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<v Speaker 2>the sky, there's a few trees that still have some

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<v Speaker 2>brown leaves on. There'll be a bush here and there

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<v Speaker 2>that's still verdant. There'll be a tree there that still

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<v Speaker 2>is green, and they will carry that into the time

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<v Speaker 2>when the first snow starts. And so we will have

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<v Speaker 2>this wonderful easing into transitions. But you're absolutely right, at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of November is a long, raw, miserable.

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<v Speaker 1>And for Peter, no matter what the season, James Lyax

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<v Speaker 1>will still wax poetic. So shut out, Peter, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter's got behind him a nice littographic of a beautiful library,

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<v Speaker 2>and Steve and you have an empty shelves, and I

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<v Speaker 2>so you look like a place that's going out of business, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm in a borrowed office, and that's actually all

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<v Speaker 1>I should say.

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<v Speaker 2>So between the suspended feelings and the empty ply with Ikia,

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<v Speaker 2>then we show a more harmonious place next to you.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we have going on in the world we

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<v Speaker 2>should talk about before we get to our guests, and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that probably I don't know counts issues of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Tariffs.

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<v Speaker 2>The other day I noticed that the tariff I think

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned this last week, the price of bananas had

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<v Speaker 2>increased by fource ends at Trader Joe's.

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<v Speaker 3>Trader Joe's used a whole banana prices like.

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<v Speaker 2>Costco held their hont dogs and now they'd gone up

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<v Speaker 2>four cents, And I thought, well, there's your tariffs there.

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<v Speaker 2>I can bear this. But presidents decided to do cut

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs on beef and tomatoes and coffee, thank god, bananas,

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<v Speaker 2>and perhaps a stimulus check.

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<v Speaker 3>No I macs of Carter era.

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<v Speaker 2>Biden esque stuff, but is not surprising. So guys, tell

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<v Speaker 2>me what you thinking of the stimulus check.

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<v Speaker 3>Idea and what you do with it if you got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, it's these are all liberal ideas, right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's split throughout money, and the tariff decision really reveals

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of incoherence and contradiction of Trump's claims that

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<v Speaker 1>tariffs are paid for by the other countries and not US.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think there's a bigger point here. Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>been criticized by many conservatives for not recognizing the affordability

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<v Speaker 1>issue really has traction and allowing the left to get

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<v Speaker 1>back in on this. And here's one of the mistake

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<v Speaker 1>is being made, I think by all of our teams,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak. Is so, you know, Mondamie a socialist

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<v Speaker 1>and other and as also we've talked about it a

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<v Speaker 1>few times in recent months. The abundance liberals have shown up,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they're saying, oh, we're concerned about affordability. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's when I raise my hand and I make two points.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, who created the affordability crisis? Well, liberals

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<v Speaker 1>did with all their regulations for the last forty years

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<v Speaker 1>or longer. So don't There's a great chart I've viewed

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I'll just describe it. It's not hard. If you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the three sectors of the economy whose costs

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<v Speaker 1>have increased the fastest over inflation. They are healthcare, higher education,

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<v Speaker 1>and housing. Healthcare higher education distorted by government sub season regulations,

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<v Speaker 1>and housing also suppressed and distorted badly by government regulation

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<v Speaker 1>going back forty to fifty years, originating in California.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all.

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<v Speaker 1>I've written a lot about this over the years, And

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<v Speaker 1>so why isn't Trump and other Republicans saying affordability, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys caused it. The only way we're going to fix

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<v Speaker 1>it is that for you guys to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way and let us fix your messes. And instead

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing these gimmicks. Oh, we'll send out a stimulus check,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll take the tear off so off that you're not

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<v Speaker 1>paying anyway. And so I think it's been a handheaded

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<v Speaker 1>response by Trump and our team when we should be

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<v Speaker 1>going in for the kill about what are mont Dommy's ideas. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's have more rent control and government run grocery stores.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's going to work.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with absolutely every word Steve said there is,

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<v Speaker 5>And so why is Trump doing all this? And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>afraid to I have to state the conclusion that he

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't actually know better. I don't mean to condescend to

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<v Speaker 5>the chief executive, who is in all kinds of ways

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<v Speaker 5>an astonishing figure and has done more good than harm

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<v Speaker 5>by a lot, by a lot, but he doesn't really

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<v Speaker 5>know his way around economics. He knows his way around business,

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<v Speaker 5>he knows how to do deals, but he doesn't know

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<v Speaker 5>his way around economics. There is exactly one justification for

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<v Speaker 5>imposing tariffs. It might apply in the case of China,

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<v Speaker 5>and the justification is that we are in a long

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<v Speaker 5>term conflict with China. We have only two levers, one

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<v Speaker 5>is military and the other is trade, and we'd all

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<v Speaker 5>rather pull the trade lever than the military lever. Even

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<v Speaker 5>that needs to be hedged around with all kinds of qualifications.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to be extremely.

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<v Speaker 6>Careful about what you impose tariffs on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 6>As for the rest of it, it's a drag.

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<v Speaker 5>We can disagree about how much of a drag, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's a drag on economic growth.

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<v Speaker 6>Oddly enough, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll see where the spokesman for capitalism and free markets

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<v Speaker 5>come from. But it felt to me as though a

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<v Speaker 5>great debate has just gotten launched on the island of Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 5>Two big events took place this past autumn. Steve mentioned

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<v Speaker 5>the first New Yorker's elected a socialist. And that's not

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<v Speaker 5>us calling names. He calls himself a socialist, a socialist

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<v Speaker 5>mayor The other event got most noticed on editorial pages

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<v Speaker 5>of the wal I beg your pardon, on architectural pages,

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<v Speaker 5>the arts pages of the Wall Street Journal of the

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<v Speaker 5>New York Times. But I think that it will prove,

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<v Speaker 5>or it could prove, a very significant political and economic event,

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<v Speaker 5>and that is that Jamie Diamond opened the three billion

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<v Speaker 5>dollar cathedral to free markets, the new office, the new

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<v Speaker 5>skyscraper office in the middle of Manhattan. Manhattan has a

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<v Speaker 5>way of putting arguments in masonry. So we have thirty

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<v Speaker 5>for we have the old Rockefeller Office, we have the

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<v Speaker 5>old New York Stock Exchange trading floor. These are down

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<v Speaker 5>on Wall Street. But this is incomparably the grandest monument

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<v Speaker 5>to free markets that anyone has ever erected, even on

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<v Speaker 5>the island of Manhattan. It's taller than the Empire State Building.

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<v Speaker 5>The lobby apparently is a couple of hundred feet tall.

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<v Speaker 5>And in the same season in which New York elects

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<v Speaker 5>a socialist mayor, Jamie Diamond, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase, says, no,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doubling down. I'm tripling down on this island, on enterprise,

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<v Speaker 5>on America's capital markets. We'll see how all this goes.

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<v Speaker 5>But that is one tough articulatembre in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I cannot stand the building change it. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>watching it go up for years. I have been trying

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<v Speaker 2>because I love skyscrapers and people who make that commitment

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<v Speaker 2>and say, yes, we're going to stay in Manhattan, and

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<v Speaker 2>I do. There are a lot of super towels going up.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of other buildings proposed. There's the

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<v Speaker 2>Commodore Tower, which actually I kind of like an awful

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<v Speaker 2>lot better, even though it sadly overshadows the Chrysler building.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do not like the JP Morgan building.

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<v Speaker 2>The great cross bracing of it reminds me of the

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<v Speaker 2>John Hancock, which is okay. The way it's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>stacked up like decks of cards and the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not crazy about the color. I really don't like

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<v Speaker 2>the way it meets the street. It meets the street

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<v Speaker 2>by swooping inward in a way that puts the mass

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<v Speaker 2>in the bulk above you, and I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's a great idea. I think it makes people sort

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<v Speaker 2>of uncomfortable. But I just don't like it. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like the hue, I don't like this, the brusqueness of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a broad shouldered building and that's great. Probably

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<v Speaker 2>would be better in Chicago. People call it art daco

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<v Speaker 2>over darn. It's nothing the sort. It's a throwback and

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<v Speaker 2>again glad they built it, good luck with it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I like the fact that they're saying, now that we've

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<v Speaker 2>built this palace, everybody's back in the office, Thank you Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>see you then, because yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, James, I mean, what do you expect from Lake

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<v Speaker 1>Capitalism by buildings like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And Peter, the big question to Wag and Sharper is

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to have people back to the office and

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<v Speaker 1>they'll spend their first weeks packing up to move to Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, what we'll expect from Lake Capitalism. I expect a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more Barroken freo foo stuff. I expect things like

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<v Speaker 2>you saw in Billionaires roll along Central Park where they

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<v Speaker 2>have those these ridiculously tall apartment buildings where people are

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<v Speaker 2>on the eighty fifth floor and they take a bath

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<v Speaker 3>They're welcome to it anyway, So yeah, Peter, that's good.

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<v Speaker 3>We like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, But you're right if he sat down and

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<v Speaker 2>talked to some people. I'm willing to take, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>eat the four percent of bananas. But I'm wondering exactly

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<v Speaker 3>Is it to get to buy more of our stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>The point you made about tariffs on China, about restoring,

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<v Speaker 2>about reducing our dependency. All that's good, and let's have

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<v Speaker 2>more of that, but you know, less of the coffee tariffs. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, coffee comes from what from other countries.

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<v Speaker 3>Policy, the approval of the administration is way up. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to know why you guys think that is

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<v Speaker 3>Foreign policy versus thirty five percent about this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year, and that's above where Obama and Bush were

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think it is? Do you think it's

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I actually think these polls are misleading.

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<v Speaker 1>That was mostly wrong. But you know, never mind that

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<v Speaker 1>from another time, and I think with Trump we see

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<v Speaker 1>some of the polling does show this, are popular. But

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<v Speaker 1>Trump remains a lightning rod because he's so abrasive, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I always kind of liked about you know, Trump

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<v Speaker 1>always I wanted a huge landslide. That's not true. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really popular. All the stuff he says is it

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<v Speaker 5>So Steve, I want to make sure I understand this.

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<v Speaker 5>So in an ordinary job approval poll, and the question

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<v Speaker 5>the president is doing? People can't hear that. They can't

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<v Speaker 5>answer that question without making some comment on whether they

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's your point, That's right, although I mean at

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<v Speaker 1>important in people's minds. So the approval rating is important

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong side of, like affordability we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a moment ago. I did just see an analysis by

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<v Speaker 1>that very interesting progressive surveyor David Shore, and what he

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<v Speaker 1>like it was a year ago and still into this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he does very well on it. But one of

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<v Speaker 1>and Republicans are now trusted on energy, that is all

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans are trusted more on that. So the point is

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<v Speaker 5>So what do you guys think about the moving the

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<v Speaker 6>Where does that come into the polling?

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<v Speaker 3>Not yet. I don't think it enters yet.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't think it enters yet, all right, So may

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<v Speaker 6>I try out?

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<v Speaker 5>My own feelings on this are mixed because I take

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<v Speaker 5>every word that Rand Paul says. If you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>in where this needs to be done under coloration of law,

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<v Speaker 5>even if it's by the chief executive of the United States,

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<v Speaker 5>he's not okay.

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<v Speaker 6>So there's that.

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<v Speaker 5>On the other hand, it feels to me as the

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<v Speaker 5>lot of people say, wait a minute, drugs have been

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<v Speaker 5>finally somebody's doing something about it. I mean, at that level,

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<v Speaker 5>it just feels to me as though a wide swath

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<v Speaker 5>of ordinary Americans say, yeah, good for him. What do

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do, absolutely so. I mean, I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>Say, well, there was a joint military resolution whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>eleven to go after terrorism, and these guys are terrorism

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<v Speaker 2>in this extent, and therefore we're gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just a bunch of made up stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I too, would prefer, as I do with continuing resolutions

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<v Speaker 2>and all the rest of these things, a bill, a

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<v Speaker 3>But Peter, you're absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, people look at this and say,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on, you, isn't this what a country should do

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<v Speaker 2>without really having to apologize for an thing that people

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like the border.

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<v Speaker 2>Situation with Biden, where they would say, well, yeah, these

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<v Speaker 2>I mean most people look at this and say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Let the law take its course if there's a law here,

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly what's being taken to the cartels. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>know whether or not there is a delta force or

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<v Speaker 2>doing some very very serious things to some very bad people.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know. The pressure on Maduro is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>What's happening in Mexico City is Mexico as people are

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<v Speaker 2>I think there is an opportunity here. Of course, if

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Can I make a larger. I think a larger

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<v Speaker 1>He has doubts about it. But I suggest there's a

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<v Speaker 1>the Monroe doctrine, Baby, and we're going to stop Venezuela

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<v Speaker 3>Enemies exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>Monroe doctrines back, Baby, which mean is it's about time

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<v Speaker 2>for the Brison f doctrine to come back somewhere as

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<v Speaker 2>the network outs. Well, listen, lots of stuff we could

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<v Speaker 2>talk about forever an everde flapper jaws and amuse ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>But hey, we have a guest, and what a guest,

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<v Speaker 2>And now we're welcome to the podcast. Army Dylan again

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<v Speaker 2>the Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of

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<v Speaker 2>the US Department of Justice. She was nominated by the

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<v Speaker 2>President in December, sworn in by ag Bondi in April,

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<v Speaker 2>and prior to joining the administration, she ran her own

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<v Speaker 2>private practice deal in law group, and she founded the

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome, how are you today?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm great, Thanks for having me again.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go right to Berkeley. Civil Rights Division has been busy.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been investigating a disturbance, said Berkeley. I involved threats

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<v Speaker 2>of and shows a actual viole. Was it a tp

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<v Speaker 2>USA event which many people may have seen on their

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<v Speaker 2>social media feeds. It seems this case reminds us of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a classic problem we have in campuses, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Heckler's veto versus the right of people to speak,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in elite campuses were supposedly free information is supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to flow, but this one has an added piquency given

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<v Speaker 2>the killing, the assassination of Charlie Cook las September. So

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<v Speaker 2>tell us what happened at UC Berkeley and why it

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<v Speaker 2>matters to your team and what's being done.

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<v Speaker 7>You're absolutely right. I mean, I dating back to my

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<v Speaker 7>the drama surrounding that and introducing him when I was

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<v Speaker 7>when I was an undergrad, I sued UC Berkeley in

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<v Speaker 7>twenty seventeen for preventing conservatives to come and speak on

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<v Speaker 7>But so far, what we found is that ANTIFA related groups,

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<v Speaker 7>and in this case, the name of the group that

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<v Speaker 7>I'm very familiar with from prior litigation at Berkeley is

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<v Speaker 7>by any means necessary, had been advertising that they wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to attack this event for as much as two weeks

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<v Speaker 7>according to witnesses before the event. And there were also

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<v Speaker 7>five student or quasi student organizations, some recognize, some not recognized,

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<v Speaker 7>that have been openly fomenting trouble on the campus around

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<v Speaker 7>this event as well. And then finally the campus itself

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<v Speaker 7>participated in I think, disrupting the event by forcing the

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<v Speaker 7>student group to allow online reservations for the ticketing instead

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<v Speaker 7>of how most student groups, particularly conservative student groups, prefer

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<v Speaker 7>to do the ticketing, which is send out an email

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<v Speaker 7>blast to their members, let their members sign up first,

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<v Speaker 7>so that we don't have the pernicious signing up for

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<v Speaker 7>tickets and not attending the event that you see on

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<v Speaker 7>many campuses. Will Berkeley force them to do it this way.

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<v Speaker 7>So the event was half empty, and we will be

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<v Speaker 7>investigating the criminal aspects of this, the violence, the materials,

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<v Speaker 7>support for terrorism potentially that may be part of these

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<v Speaker 7>types of circumstances on campus, and potential First Amendment retaliation

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<v Speaker 7>as well as other civil rights claims and so civil

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<v Speaker 7>rights divisions kind running the show on this, but with

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<v Speaker 7>significant support from our criminal FBI and DOJ components.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something when they were willing to go black shirt

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<v Speaker 2>over Rob Schnyder, I mean, wait until the heavyweights of

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<v Speaker 2>the intellectual movement get up there and have the audacity

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<v Speaker 2>appear on stage. When I was in college, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a bruhaha and a threat of violence in all people

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<v Speaker 2>getting upset because Jeane Kirkpatrick was coming to speak.

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<v Speaker 3>And then a little while later somebody who.

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<v Speaker 2>Sailed in with open arms and was warmly welcomed by

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<v Speaker 2>the by the college was Angela Davis.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is an old, old, timeless issue.

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<v Speaker 5>Alas Peter Well, harm me, your old friend, Peter Robinson.

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<v Speaker 5>Here civil Rights division has an honorable inception. It goes

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<v Speaker 5>back to civil rights disturbances in the South, when there

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<v Speaker 5>was a more than plausible argument that African Americans needed

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<v Speaker 5>particular protections or particular oversight in Washington, make sure they voted,

462
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<v Speaker 5>their rights were respected, and so forth. But by the

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<v Speaker 5>time Donald Trump takes office for the second time, we've

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<v Speaker 5>been through the me Too movement, We've been through the

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<v Speaker 5>Obama years, we've been through the Biden years, and it

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<v Speaker 5>was perfectly plausible, I think, and I came to this

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<v Speaker 5>view myself that the Civil Rights Division had long ago

468
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<v Speaker 5>been captured by the deep state and was a tool

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<v Speaker 5>of the progressive or the left in Washington.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't look at it that.

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<v Speaker 5>Way, and I know you don't, because I know you,

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<v Speaker 5>and I know you would never have taken the job

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<v Speaker 5>if you did look at it that way. What is

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<v Speaker 5>the right way to look at the Civil Rights Division?

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<v Speaker 7>Both ways are correct, And the fact of the matter

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<v Speaker 7>is that the personnel are the policy. A famous phrase,

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<v Speaker 7>And when I showed up here what I found was

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<v Speaker 7>over four hundred attorneys and other I mean, they are

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<v Speaker 7>like gobs of statisticians and other non attorney staff here

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<v Speaker 7>at the Civil Rights Division. Who you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 7>that Obama photograph when the Obama White House was on

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<v Speaker 7>their last day and the Trump folks were moving in

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<v Speaker 7>in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that.

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<v Speaker 7>Sullen and menacing resentment kind of look. That was kind

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<v Speaker 7>of how we were greeted here when we showed up.

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<v Speaker 7>And I had to do my training, all kinds of

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<v Speaker 7>HR training and how to handle sensitive documents training and

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<v Speaker 7>don't sexually harass people training. And then the second week

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<v Speaker 7>I put out memos to the heads of all the

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<v Speaker 7>different sections in the Civil Rights divisions. I think they

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<v Speaker 7>were eleven or twelve of them, and I said, these

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<v Speaker 7>are the federal civil rights statutes that we enforced and

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<v Speaker 7>their Title seven, Title nine America's Disabilities Act, and RALUPA

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<v Speaker 7>and YOKABA and HAVA and MBRA, and are we going

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<v Speaker 7>to take our priorities under these laws that we are

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<v Speaker 7>definitely going to enforce because I swore I would enforce

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<v Speaker 7>them from the President's executive orders, okay, And I put

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<v Speaker 7>that in writing and I put it out there, and

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<v Speaker 7>this caused over two undred attorneys to quit, and some

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<v Speaker 7>of them. Now, mind you that under the.

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<v Speaker 6>Half the staff, half your staff.

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<v Speaker 7>By now more than two thirds of them have quit,

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<v Speaker 7>and frankly a few more need to quit because they

505
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<v Speaker 7>don't really aren't really really with the program. But I

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<v Speaker 7>haven't fired a single person. I just told them their

507
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<v Speaker 7>job was different than how they wanted to do it,

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<v Speaker 7>which is absolutely how the executive branch of the government

509
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<v Speaker 7>needs to work. And I think they thought, and some

510
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<v Speaker 7>of them were featured in a New York Times article

511
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<v Speaker 7>whining about our change priorities just a few days ago,

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<v Speaker 7>and I think they thought that this would somehow cripple

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<v Speaker 7>us and we weren't going to be able to function,

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<v Speaker 7>and that hasn't turned out to be the case. First

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<v Speaker 7>of all, I'm just sorry to say, as a person

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<v Speaker 7>who had two CEO roles and worked around the clock

517
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<v Speaker 7>just a few months ago, people in the government don't

518
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<v Speaker 7>work as hard as those of us in the private

519
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<v Speaker 7>sector on average. Now, some of them do have some great,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, wonderful career attorneys here who work very hard,

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<v Speaker 7>and they're the ones who you go to time and

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<v Speaker 7>again and there's just a bunch who four years to

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<v Speaker 7>do an investigation and never reach a conclusion that is

524
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<v Speaker 7>supportable in court. And so we weren't crippled. We started

525
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<v Speaker 7>hiring again. There was you know, there was some pickups

526
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<v Speaker 7>in that process. I'm still understaffed, but that's a supply problem.

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<v Speaker 7>At this point. Conservative lawyers are not stepping up to

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<v Speaker 7>come and do this work. Throughout the government. We're having

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<v Speaker 7>problems in staffing the US Attorney's offices, other sections of

530
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<v Speaker 7>the DOJ. We're all kind of overwhelmed. But those of

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<v Speaker 7>us who are here are doing the job, and we

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<v Speaker 7>have actually, I would say, pound for pound, done more

533
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<v Speaker 7>enforcement actions in the Civil Rights Division in the eight months,

534
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<v Speaker 7>not even eight months that I've been here, then most administrations,

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<v Speaker 7>perhaps all administrations do in four years. I include the

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<v Speaker 7>last administration, and I include the prior Trump administration. I

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<v Speaker 7>do not view it as my job to simply slow

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<v Speaker 7>down the bad. A lot of the people who were

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<v Speaker 7>far left left and so now we have an opportunity

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<v Speaker 7>to enforce our federal civil rights laws on campuses, protect

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<v Speaker 7>all were the disabilities who are being mistreated with autism,

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<v Speaker 7>and so forth, protect the rights of the disabled in

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<v Speaker 7>our country, which was a law passed by and signed

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<v Speaker 7>by Republican President, and our voting rights laws. I am

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<v Speaker 7>the first Assistant Attorney General to bring help America Vote

546
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<v Speaker 7>Act and NVR enforcement actions I think at all, but

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<v Speaker 7>certainly in the volume that we've been doing them. And

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<v Speaker 7>so you know, we're just flipping the script and doing

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<v Speaker 7>civil rights from a conservative perspective. And I love my job.

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<v Speaker 1>So Harmie, it's Steve Hayward today actually just down the

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<v Speaker 1>street from you here in Washington, d C. And I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just say in passing that I'm not surprised that Berkeley

553
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<v Speaker 1>came apart because John, you and I are taking this

554
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<v Speaker 1>semester off, and we were there. We wouldn't have let

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<v Speaker 1>it happen, So you can blame us. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>I hear that two thirds of the career lawyers have quit,

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing I want to say is congratulations. How

558
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<v Speaker 1>did you do it? I mean, I know how you

559
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<v Speaker 1>did it, but it does raise this point. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a big question to present to you. You

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<v Speaker 1>may know the history of this. Your predecessor, way back

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<v Speaker 1>in the Reagan years, William Bradford Reynolds. They were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make some course corrections on a civil rights a

564
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<v Speaker 1>scene of distortions of civil rights that were minor compared

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<v Speaker 1>to what we've seen in the last ten twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think then something like two hundred lawyers threatened

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<v Speaker 1>to quit. I think they ended up not quitting, but

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<v Speaker 1>they made some accommodations and also made some important progress

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties. And that's an interesting story. But now

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<v Speaker 1>things are so much worse. And Peter was too nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look to restate what he said is the

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<v Speaker 1>left thinks the civil rights or establishments and enforcement processes

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<v Speaker 1>belonged to them. Holy right, We're not entitled literally what

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<v Speaker 1>they think, right correct. So here's my big roundhouse question.

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<v Speaker 1>We now, you're the first Republican civil rights Assistant Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>General since the Harvard and North Carolina cases, which reversed

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<v Speaker 1>to know more than forty years of complete corruption of

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil Rights Act.

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<v Speaker 5>Rightly understood, Steve, some of those cases remind people what

580
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<v Speaker 5>those were, well, well, at least were the the race

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<v Speaker 5>based the firm of action and missions at Harvard and

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<v Speaker 5>North Carolina and anyplace else that practices it, which was

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<v Speaker 5>essentially everywhere, And on principle, I believe harmead and correct

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<v Speaker 5>me if I'm wrong. It Also the principle clearly extends to.

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<v Speaker 1>An awful lot of private sector activities, you know, hiring

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<v Speaker 1>corporations and schools and so forth. Now the parallel is

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<v Speaker 1>being drawn is that this is as monumental as the

588
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<v Speaker 1>Brown versus Board of Education decision in the fifties, and

589
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<v Speaker 1>as everyone knows who knows the history, massive resistance to it,

590
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<v Speaker 1>and we're seeing massive resistance now to students for fair

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<v Speaker 1>admissions by elite universities and so forth. And it took

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<v Speaker 1>at least fifteen years of subsequent litigation by the Civil

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<v Speaker 1>Rights Division by a private lawsuits under the statutes to

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<v Speaker 1>enforce Brown versus Board. And a lot of people are saying,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, Edward Bloom's a very good friend of mine,

596
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<v Speaker 1>the same thing's going to have to happen now. So

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you comment on that assessment is generally correct,

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<v Speaker 1>and what you think are some of the priorities for

599
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<v Speaker 1>how to extend well enforce that decision and then extend

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<v Speaker 1>the principle of it in domains right well.

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<v Speaker 7>When you add students for fair admissions to Aims versus Ohio,

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<v Speaker 7>which applies an equal standard for majority plaintiffs versus minority

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<v Speaker 7>plaintiffs and Title seven litigation in the private workplace. You

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<v Speaker 7>absolutely have a sea change in the way that people

605
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<v Speaker 7>are looking at this and they have to. And so

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<v Speaker 7>what we've done is, you know, the signature I think

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<v Speaker 7>we're going to look at back at this first year

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<v Speaker 7>of the Trump administration, and a signature accomplishment is going

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<v Speaker 7>to be are the letters that I sent out literally

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<v Speaker 7>the first friday of my job here in the first

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<v Speaker 7>week of April, to fifty of the top fifty universities

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<v Speaker 7>in the United States, and then I added the top

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<v Speaker 7>medical schools and the top law schools, and then we

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<v Speaker 7>added a few more in there as well, and we've

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<v Speaker 7>gone down I'd like seventy eighty investigations open into these institutions,

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<v Speaker 7>and we reached settlements with several of them. I personally

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<v Speaker 7>have negotiated the settlements in Colombia, Cornell University of Law

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<v Speaker 7>school alma mater, and I've also met with university presidents

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<v Speaker 7>at Dartmouth and UNC and some other schools that were

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<v Speaker 7>not going after because you know, they are in a

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<v Speaker 7>dialogue with us and showing us their homework what they

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<v Speaker 7>have done. To combat anti semitism on campus, to dismantle DEI,

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<v Speaker 7>to bring their websites and their programs in compliance with

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<v Speaker 7>the law. But it is very, very deep seated. It

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<v Speaker 7>has been decades. There's a couple of different threads here

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<v Speaker 7>that are problematic. First of all, the academic vogue for

627
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<v Speaker 7>decades has been this concept of affirmative action in hiring

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<v Speaker 7>and in faculty and even my goodness, footnotes in laarview

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<v Speaker 7>articles and lar review selection they've measured that, and in admissions.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's a culture. And you know, the liberals who

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<v Speaker 7>go into this field feel like it's deeply offensive to

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<v Speaker 7>them and their moral code to have to change that.

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<v Speaker 7>It's repugnant to them, just as it would be repugnant

634
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<v Speaker 7>to us to you know, go back to the nineteen

635
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<v Speaker 7>sixties and fifties and separate water fountains. It's repugnant them

636
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<v Speaker 7>to dismantle this system. So they have a moral conflict.

637
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<v Speaker 7>And secondly, generations of young people have gotten useless degrees

638
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<v Speaker 7>in gender studies and of race hustling is what I

639
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<v Speaker 7>call it. And who's going to hire them? You know,

640
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<v Speaker 7>an AI company's not going to hire them. Google's not

641
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<v Speaker 7>going to hire them. Unless it's for the Diversity Office.

642
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<v Speaker 7>Their jobs have been imposing these frameworks in academia and

643
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<v Speaker 7>in the American corporation, and now what their jobs have

644
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<v Speaker 7>effectively been eliminated if these institutions are being honest. So

645
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<v Speaker 7>people their friends don't want them to be out of

646
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<v Speaker 7>a job. They like Susie down the hall, and so

647
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<v Speaker 7>that rebranding Susie's job as the DEI officer or the

648
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<v Speaker 7>equity officer as the Opportunity Office, the Office of Opportunity,

649
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<v Speaker 7>and they're doing the exact same things and they think

650
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<v Speaker 7>that we're not going to find out. Well, thanks to

651
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 7>the Internet, whistleblowers are calling that out in five minutes

652
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 7>and we know about it. We send a letter and

653
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:09.920
<v Speaker 7>it usually gets shut down.

654
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<v Speaker 1>But it is wlackable.

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<v Speaker 7>That's why I could use one hundred or two hundred

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<v Speaker 7>more lawyers to do this enforcement work. And it's going

657
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<v Speaker 7>to it's not going to be easy, but it is necessary,

658
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<v Speaker 7>and it is it is our mandate. It is our

659
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<v Speaker 7>duty to enforce these laws equally.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one of the things you mentioned there before, where

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<v Speaker 2>the people who come out with useless gender degrees I

662
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<v Speaker 2>useless unless of course they go right to you know,

663
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<v Speaker 2>to another university and get hired to teach it there.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reevaluation of the gender ideology that's flowed through

665
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<v Speaker 2>the society in the last five.

666
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<v Speaker 3>Ten years has been one of the emphasy of the administration.

667
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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, if you go right now

668
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<v Speaker 2>to Google and you ask about the Civil Rights Division

669
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<v Speaker 2>and the Trump administration and transgenderism, what you find, according

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<v Speaker 2>to Google's AI Interview AI assummation, is that the Civil

671
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<v Speaker 2>Rights Division under you has been accused of weaponization against

672
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<v Speaker 2>civil rights principles in pursuit of a politicized agenda. That's

673
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<v Speaker 2>how Wikipedia frames it, when in truth, we've been dealing

674
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<v Speaker 2>with a politicized agenda for many years and this is

675
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<v Speaker 2>the pushback to it. So what do you see as

676
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<v Speaker 2>the end results, say, after the end of your tenure,

677
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.840
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to managing what many regard as the

678
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>madness of the gender ideology that swept at the institutions.

679
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<v Speaker 7>I'm touching my pearls, so let me unclutch them. After

680
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<v Speaker 7>the horror of a politicized agenda and the Civil Rights

681
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<v Speaker 7>Division is difficult to contemplate. But look, I'm a woman

682
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<v Speaker 7>in the workplace and it just blows my mind that

683
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<v Speaker 7>feminists have so easily given up the hard fought rights

684
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<v Speaker 7>of girls and women in this country and handed them

685
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<v Speaker 7>over to dudes and dresses. It is outrageous. And on

686
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<v Speaker 7>top of that, I think the sexual mutilation of children

687
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<v Speaker 7>in this country is a civil rights crisis, and it

688
00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 7>is the abortion of our and it's We're going to

689
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<v Speaker 7>look back on it as a shameful period in our history.

690
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<v Speaker 7>And so I feel very comfortable weaponizing, if you will,

691
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<v Speaker 7>the current laws, enforcing them to protect the rights of

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<v Speaker 7>women and girls and boys. I find we just filed

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<v Speaker 7>in a case in loud And County, Virginia. I authorized

694
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<v Speaker 7>the filing in a case where, well, we have an

695
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<v Speaker 7>investigation pending in the reverse where a girl comes into

696
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<v Speaker 7>the boys locker room and boys have rights too, boys

697
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 7>have privacy rights also. It's an equal problem as far

698
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<v Speaker 7>as I'm concerned, and so I don't think there's any

699
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<v Speaker 7>there's any problem here. Now, what's going to happen in

700
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:43.920
<v Speaker 7>the next administration is going to depend on who's the president. Obviously,

701
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<v Speaker 7>if it's a Republican president, I think we're going to

702
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<v Speaker 7>see the same trend continue. If it's a Democrat president,

703
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<v Speaker 7>I don't know. Because what I'm hearing from a lot

704
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<v Speaker 7>of my Democrat friends, dads who have kids and care

705
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 7>about them, they don't like this stuff either. It's not normal,

706
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 7>it is fringe, and the Left has really been captured

707
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<v Speaker 7>by the far left extreme of its own party. And

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<v Speaker 7>so I think you may see a course correction. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>not sure that Democrats in twenty twenty eight are going

710
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<v Speaker 7>to be running on the agenda of boys and girls,

711
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:17.039
<v Speaker 7>locker rooms, or some of that other gender madness that

712
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.800
<v Speaker 7>we've seen at that level. I hope that people are

713
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<v Speaker 7>coming to their senses, and.

714
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Bill Maher will give cover to the older boomers, Joy

715
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Reid will give cover to other people, but there's going

716
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.280
<v Speaker 2>to have to be somebody from the younger generation that

717
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<v Speaker 2>actually breaks with it and says, no, this is anti

718
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<v Speaker 2>scientific nonsense.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter, I think you had something.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Armead, I'd like to go back to something you

721
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.760
<v Speaker 5>mentioned in passing a few minutes ago. You've got a

722
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<v Speaker 5>couple hundred lawyers you need more, but you added conservative

723
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 5>lawyers are not stepping up, they're not putting their resumes in.

724
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<v Speaker 5>So my question, my question is not to the rights

725
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<v Speaker 5>and wrongs of what you're doing, needless to say, I'm

726
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 5>totally behind you. The question is the structure of legal

727
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.599
<v Speaker 5>careers for young lawyers, so to speak, to put it

728
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:09.159
<v Speaker 5>crudely on our side, for the old structure was there

729
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:11.320
<v Speaker 5>were going to be some lawyers who were perfectly content

730
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<v Speaker 5>to go to the Civil Rights Division and make an

731
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<v Speaker 5>entire career there because they felt comfortable with it because

732
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<v Speaker 5>of the stability of government employment. And then there were

733
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<v Speaker 5>going to be other lawyers, again on the democratic or

734
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.719
<v Speaker 5>left or progressive side, who understood that they could spend

735
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:28.599
<v Speaker 5>a couple of years at the Civil Rights Division because

736
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.519
<v Speaker 5>there would be big time law firms right there in

737
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<v Speaker 5>Washington that would be happy to hire them right out

738
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:39.760
<v Speaker 5>of the Civil Rights Division. Young talent on our side

739
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<v Speaker 5>doesn't want government as a full time career. Might be

740
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<v Speaker 5>I'm guessing this, I'm putting this to you as a question,

741
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.239
<v Speaker 5>might be happy to go to work for Harmeat Dylan

742
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<v Speaker 5>for a couple.

743
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Of years, But then what do they do.

744
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.239
<v Speaker 5>The big time law firms in Washington are going to

745
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:56.320
<v Speaker 5>be nervous about them, aren't they.

746
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 6>How do you make this permanent? How do you change?

747
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.360
<v Speaker 5>How do you change the incentive is for talent? Young

748
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<v Speaker 5>talent on our side.

749
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<v Speaker 7>So let's break it down. First of all, when I

750
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 7>refer to conservative, I'm talking about the front office political staffing.

751
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.239
<v Speaker 7>Of course, when we're hiring for career attorneys, we don't

752
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:15.480
<v Speaker 7>take politics into consideration. That said, I've very clearly articulated

753
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 7>what my agenda is, and it's to enforce Trump administration's priorities.

754
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:20.280
<v Speaker 7>So I think people can get the clues they're not

755
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.800
<v Speaker 7>going to be coming here and doing consent decrees on

756
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 7>trivial differences and arrest rates in some city and then

757
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 7>you know, making a city pay at tens of millions

758
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.960
<v Speaker 7>of dollars to a monitor for that. We're not doing

759
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 7>that anymore, and that's what a lot of these folks

760
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.119
<v Speaker 7>have been doing. But the lecture I've been giving to

761
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Speaker 7>people is if you want to come and pick up

762
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 7>some new skills, this is a great place to work.

763
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:46.719
<v Speaker 7>Think of it like the Peace Corps or something, or

764
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.599
<v Speaker 7>Teach for America or something like that. Young lawyers today

765
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.760
<v Speaker 7>in the movement, well, when I got out of law

766
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.119
<v Speaker 7>school thirty two years ago, thirty three years ago, there

767
00:38:57.159 --> 00:38:59.719
<v Speaker 7>was no opportunity to go work at a nonprofit like

768
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 7>the one that I founded six years ago, the Center

769
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 7>for American Liberty, which provides jobs for several lawyers who

770
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 7>enforce our federal civil rights laws and state civil rights laws.

771
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.960
<v Speaker 7>But now there are Now there's an ADF, and now

772
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:18.159
<v Speaker 7>you know, there's foundations like the Foundation. Steve's talking about

773
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:24.480
<v Speaker 7>having a meeting today at Jim Krantz to those nonprofits,

774
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:27.199
<v Speaker 7>and they do good works. If you wanted to do

775
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.519
<v Speaker 7>good for your career, you could do that. You don't

776
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 7>have to be a young lawyer. I want to make

777
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 7>this very clear. Unlike my predecessors who really put a

778
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 7>premium on hiring young people, I've offered jobs to lawyers

779
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Speaker 7>at the end of their careers, lawyers who made their millions,

780
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.719
<v Speaker 7>Lawyers who want to end their careers by doing some

781
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.880
<v Speaker 7>good for their country. Some fellow members of the Republican

782
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.920
<v Speaker 7>National Committee, one of my fellow colleagues in the RNC,

783
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.280
<v Speaker 7>this is going to be his last job in his career.

784
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 7>He could have wound down or sold a law firm

785
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.119
<v Speaker 7>and came and joined us. And he's doing what he

786
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:02.480
<v Speaker 7>calls the reverse Sherman March. He is shutting down consent

787
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:06.519
<v Speaker 7>decrease from the nineteen seventies and nineteen sixties all over

788
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.400
<v Speaker 7>the South, we have school districts under consent decrease where

789
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<v Speaker 7>that everyone is dead who did the discrimination, and yet

790
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<v Speaker 7>there's still some lawyer getting paid to monitor the school district.

791
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 7>That's nonsense, and we're stopping it. He's overjoyed every time

792
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.199
<v Speaker 7>he comes into my office. He's like our meet. We

793
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<v Speaker 7>filed another motion to dismiss and a stipulation on a

794
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 7>consent decree. So I would say, secondly, setting aside this context,

795
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<v Speaker 7>the days of someone joining a law firm at the

796
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<v Speaker 7>beginning of their career and then having the Cravath march

797
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:40.880
<v Speaker 7>when they die at the end of their career are over.

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<v Speaker 7>People hop around like free agents all day long. I

799
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<v Speaker 7>was at four major law firms before I started my

800
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<v Speaker 7>own in New York, London, Silicon Valley, and San Francisco.

801
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<v Speaker 7>And people are free agents. So I would encourage people

802
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<v Speaker 7>to come get the skills to be a plaintiff's lawyer

803
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<v Speaker 7>in civil rights litigation. That includes election litigation, it includes

804
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 7>dei litigation, it includes this gender discrimination and gender mutilation litigation,

805
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.599
<v Speaker 7>and others. You can make a lot of money doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>I was a plane of s lawyer for the last

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<v Speaker 7>twenty years. In my private practice, and it was a

809
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<v Speaker 7>satisfying and successful career. I started my firm with two

810
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<v Speaker 7>people and now they're forty people at my law firm.

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<v Speaker 7>So I built up business doing good and every day

812
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<v Speaker 7>I get up in the morning and I do good

813
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<v Speaker 7>all day and then I go to bed. I don't

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<v Speaker 7>feel guilty about what I did, and I couldn't feel

815
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<v Speaker 7>that way when I was in big law, you know,

816
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<v Speaker 7>representing to me, you know, the polluters, the sexual harassers,

817
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.119
<v Speaker 7>the napalm manufacturers, like I wasn't satisfying for me. And

818
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:40.719
<v Speaker 7>so you can be a lawyer and make money and

819
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:42.960
<v Speaker 7>do good and have choices. And that's how I would

820
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.039
<v Speaker 7>tell people to look at it is give yourself the

821
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.280
<v Speaker 7>opportunity to pick up some new skills there is. I've

822
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<v Speaker 7>argued four cases in the federal Courts of Appeals as

823
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<v Speaker 7>the Assistant Attorney General, which is also very rare. I

824
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 7>don't know that my predecessors did one much less four,

825
00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:59.599
<v Speaker 7>and I'm hoping to do a lot more. But there's

826
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<v Speaker 7>nothing more satisfying than standing up in front of a

827
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<v Speaker 7>federal court and saying I'm hard meat Dylan for the

828
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<v Speaker 7>United States, And you know, I encourage to come get

829
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 7>that experience. A career doesn't mean you have to spend

830
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<v Speaker 7>your whole career doing it. You can have a career

831
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<v Speaker 7>position at the DJ and leave after two years. That's

832
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 7>what the that's what people have often done, and they

833
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 7>may get trial experience. They get experience investigating hate crimes,

834
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:25.880
<v Speaker 7>interviewing witnesses, protecting people from anti semitism, protecting people from

835
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<v Speaker 7>zoning discrimination, and all the other things that we do here,

836
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<v Speaker 7>and and election law. I mean, you know it's there.

837
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<v Speaker 7>These are transferable, valuable skills.

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<v Speaker 3>Great, thank you, And you add something to add before

839
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<v Speaker 3>we let her go.

840
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<v Speaker 2>We understand we're coming up against the time at which

841
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<v Speaker 2>he has to get back to the business of the country.

842
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<v Speaker 1>Well, well let me try and cheer her meat up

843
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<v Speaker 1>real quick. And you have the very last word for

844
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>we don't have to let you go. I understand the

845
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:50.960
<v Speaker 1>frustration you and other people have finding people who can

846
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.719
<v Speaker 1>go do these jobs. On the other hand, the conservative

847
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.119
<v Speaker 1>legal movement, to me is so impressive these days, and

848
00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:59.280
<v Speaker 1>but it's been the different mode. I mean, who wanted

849
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.840
<v Speaker 1>to go to the civil division before you got there? Right,

850
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:04.679
<v Speaker 1>So there was your law firm, right of course, sort

851
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.639
<v Speaker 1>of a private civil Rights Organization, our friends at consaboy

852
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.679
<v Speaker 1>McCarthy that I know, you know, Phil Hamburger's new Civil

853
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Liberties Alliance, and it's gon take a while, but I

854
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.559
<v Speaker 1>think we should take heart that the talent is there

855
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.320
<v Speaker 1>in depth, and that the frontiers of activism on the

856
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.960
<v Speaker 1>side of the true and the right are been advancing

857
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.760
<v Speaker 1>on many fronts. I mean, Bloom, we mentioned already once, right,

858
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and now you're there. And I know, I know you're like,

859
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:32.079
<v Speaker 1>you're fighting surrounded and you don't have enough troops. But

860
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I say take heart, Peter Harmeet. I think we're going

861
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:34.880
<v Speaker 1>to win.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Harma, I would just ask you one thing. Please,

863
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.960
<v Speaker 6>don't be such a shrinking violet, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, stand up for yourself, harmony, will you once in

865
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:45.000
<v Speaker 5>a while?

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00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, what's asure?

867
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:47.760
<v Speaker 1>What a pleasure?

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00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 7>One thing I didn't expect when I took this job

869
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.000
<v Speaker 7>is to see my name drag through the mud viciously

870
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.519
<v Speaker 7>by a federal judge of Chaps week. That was pretty

871
00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 7>bad thirty six hours until another federal judge stepped in

872
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:03.519
<v Speaker 7>and bench slapped the other two. But I mean, this

873
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.280
<v Speaker 7>is this was not a thing. In law school. Everyone

874
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.440
<v Speaker 7>was very polite. Everyone wanted to be a federal judge,

875
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 7>and when I got up close to it, I was like,

876
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.119
<v Speaker 7>I don't think I want to do this, but the

877
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:15.239
<v Speaker 7>lack of decorum from the bench is something new and alarming,

878
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.480
<v Speaker 7>and I think it's not a fund that we see.

879
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 7>Because I can't fight back.

880
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:19.639
<v Speaker 1>I have to go.

881
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:21.480
<v Speaker 7>I have to go in front of these judges again

882
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.400
<v Speaker 7>and again and again. So I can't say. I can't

883
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 7>say nan yah nah, call them names, but they can

884
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 7>do that to me. It's just it's wrong. And I

885
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 7>hope that the court step in indisciplinement of what is

886
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.480
<v Speaker 7>happening here in our court's writing. Anyway, that was my

887
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 7>extraneous thought.

888
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Write it down for the inevitable book and we'll be

889
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.800
<v Speaker 2>sure to buy it and enjoy our me deal. And

890
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:44.760
<v Speaker 2>thanks so much for joining us today. It's been a pleasure,

891
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:46.239
<v Speaker 2>and we hope to speak to you again in the future.

892
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:47.480
<v Speaker 3>And good luck.

893
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:48.840
<v Speaker 7>Thanks for having me.

894
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:50.639
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it, ar meet.

895
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Speaker 3>Thanks. You know.

896
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:55.280
<v Speaker 2>It's entirely possible that somebody out there is going to

897
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:58.400
<v Speaker 2>want to say happy Holidays to somebody or maybe even

898
00:44:58.400 --> 00:44:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Merry Christmas.

899
00:44:59.039 --> 00:44:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Will they be brought up.

900
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 2>In judge just by hr for using alienating language during

901
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:03.159
<v Speaker 2>this Christmas season.

902
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:04.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, during this holiday season.

903
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's something that actually the uh

904
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Harmat's division would get to around to

905
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:12.119
<v Speaker 2>talking about.

906
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.000
<v Speaker 3>But it is something you think about, right, I mean.

907
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I had a little Christmas tree in my desk back

908
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:17.239
<v Speaker 2>at the office when I used to work at the

909
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:17.679
<v Speaker 2>office in.

910
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:18.440
<v Speaker 3>A previous life.

911
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Nobody complained because really, frankly, it's not that big of

912
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.719
<v Speaker 2>a deal. But the holidays are coming, Christmas is coming,

913
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 2>and that is a big deal, especially if you're looking

914
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:29.480
<v Speaker 2>around and saying, oh, what am I going to get

915
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:30.199
<v Speaker 2>everybody this year?

916
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:31.280
<v Speaker 3>What am I going to do?

917
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.199
<v Speaker 2>I've been married for thirty eight years. Is no possible

918
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.880
<v Speaker 2>thing I can possibly think of that I miss. Well, listen,

919
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.719
<v Speaker 2>when the holidays get busy and a little overwhelming, what

920
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:42.280
<v Speaker 2>is the gift that you'd like to give your loved

921
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.599
<v Speaker 2>ones the most? And that's right, the serenity, the gift

922
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.800
<v Speaker 2>of slowing down and feeling cozy and making home your

923
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.719
<v Speaker 2>sanctuary to write out those bitter winter months to come.

924
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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what Cozy Earth delivers. Now, if Charles was here,

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00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Charles C. W. Cook, Charlie, he tell you all about

926
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the sheets. And one of these days, I think he's

927
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<v Speaker 2>going to have to drag his wife in to tell

928
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:07.239
<v Speaker 2>you why exactly she likes them, Because it's being filtered

929
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 2>through Charlie, and we know that probably there's a feminine

930
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931
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932
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<v Speaker 2>able to completely accurately connote. But take it from him,

933
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<v Speaker 2>he loves them, not just because his wife does. And

934
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<v Speaker 2>everybody frankly uses Cozy Earth sheets says the same. And

935
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<v Speaker 2>The blankets come with a one hundred night sleep trial

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<v Speaker 2>and a ten year warranty. And I don't think they

938
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<v Speaker 2>And they've got a peril too, did I mention a peril?

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<v Speaker 2>They have a peril also backed by a lifetime guarantee.

942
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<v Speaker 2>Now they mean it when they say it's made to last. Now,

943
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<v Speaker 2>Black Friday, do you want to go to the stores

944
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<v Speaker 2>and fight with the people?

945
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<v Speaker 3>No, you do not.

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<v Speaker 2>before we go, lots of stuff that we haven't talked about,

973
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Actually we have. Oh, I can't get interested in the

974
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Epstein story. I don't know why you think that somehow

975
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 2>this would peak all the purient interest and memories of

976
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Bill Clinton and address with the red shoes and a

977
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:36.239
<v Speaker 2>painting in the foyer.

978
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:40.719
<v Speaker 3>But you know, where do you stand on this?

979
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.440
<v Speaker 6>I'll be really interested to hear what do you guys.

980
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.119
<v Speaker 3>Make of it? I can't that's a great way at dodge.

981
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, no, I am sort of interested in it,

982
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.760
<v Speaker 5>But I'm interested in the part that nobody else seems

983
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:55.760
<v Speaker 5>to be interested in, which is a puzzle to me,

984
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:57.800
<v Speaker 5>just as the whole thing is a puzzle to you, James.

985
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:03.920
<v Speaker 5>In as much as the sex stuff, I don't find

986
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:07.000
<v Speaker 5>that particularly interesting on what seems to me the invincible

987
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.400
<v Speaker 5>grounds that Donald Trump has been a major figure in

988
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.440
<v Speaker 5>this country for a decade, and if there were stuff

989
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.639
<v Speaker 5>in those files to use against him, it surely would

990
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:20.760
<v Speaker 5>have leaked long before now, And in fact, what has

991
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:25.960
<v Speaker 5>leaked has rebounded against leading Democrats, most notably Larry Summers,

992
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:31.199
<v Speaker 5>who now has been forced to leave harst public life.

993
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:34.840
<v Speaker 5>Yes exactly, Well, first he withdrew from public life, and

994
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 5>now he's announced that somebody else is going to finish

995
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.719
<v Speaker 5>the last three lectures of his core. He's even been

996
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:43.119
<v Speaker 5>removed from teaching at Harvard, which is I mean, as

997
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.639
<v Speaker 5>Harvard things go, that's quite a blow.

998
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:47.920
<v Speaker 6>Okay, So that's the sex stuff.

999
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.880
<v Speaker 5>What nobody seems interested to me, and what still makes

1000
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:56.639
<v Speaker 5>absolutely no sense is the money side. This guy started

1001
00:49:56.719 --> 00:50:01.199
<v Speaker 5>out as a high school math teacher and ended up

1002
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<v Speaker 5>living in the biggest private residence on the island of Manhattan,

1003
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<v Speaker 5>with a private island in the Caribbean and a big

1004
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:15.679
<v Speaker 5>ranch I think in nim Where did this money come from?

1005
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:20.400
<v Speaker 5>That's what I haven't seen. Honestly, Even journalists don't seem

1006
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.679
<v Speaker 5>I say, even journalists, if there are were people who

1007
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.119
<v Speaker 5>are real journalists left. Nobody seems to be digging into

1008
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.599
<v Speaker 5>exactly what this guy did to end up a very

1009
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.840
<v Speaker 5>very rich man. So that puzzles me, but it doesn't

1010
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:32.719
<v Speaker 5>seem to be the story.

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00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:36.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's Jay Gatsby, right, There was always that mystery Gatsby,

1012
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you would do these parties, right, that's kind of an

1013
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.119
<v Speaker 1>insult of Fitzgerald and Gatsby, I think in this case.

1014
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<v Speaker 1>But look, I can't resist some James Lilac's bait and

1015
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.760
<v Speaker 1>say this scene. You'll see why. This whole business reminds

1016
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<v Speaker 1>me of the scene in the Wrath of Khan where

1017
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<v Speaker 1>Kirk taunts Khan by saying, like a bad marksman, you

1018
00:50:56.039 --> 00:51:00.840
<v Speaker 1>keep missing the target. Because this reminds me of a

1019
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.519
<v Speaker 1>rerun of Me Too. Remember the whole Me Too business

1020
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:07.760
<v Speaker 1>precipitated to be sure by Harvey Weinstein's grotesque grease, if

1021
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.960
<v Speaker 1>that's a word, but pretty clearly the left grabbed onto

1022
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:12.239
<v Speaker 1>it and ran to it, hoping it was going to

1023
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.719
<v Speaker 1>take down Orange, the bad Orange Man, because of what

1024
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 1>he'd said and you know about grabbing parts of anatomy.

1025
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.599
<v Speaker 1>And instead it took down liberal after liberal in the

1026
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:24.280
<v Speaker 1>media and in politics. You know, it ended this Charlie Rose,

1027
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Charlie Rose and Al franken Hey got kicked out of

1028
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.519
<v Speaker 1>the Senate. And so in other words, it mowed down

1029
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<v Speaker 1>a ton of liberals and Democrats. And now all of

1030
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:33.480
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, the Epstein files they think are going to

1031
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 1>bring down Trump instead you mentioned it's already taken one scalp.

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<v Speaker 1>Hilarry Summers. By the way, I found it amusing that

1033
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<v Speaker 1>he used the same language that the Royal the House

1034
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<v Speaker 1>of Windsor used in England about Prince Andrew's going to

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<v Speaker 1>step back from his royal duties. Yes, Larry Summers is

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00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.360
<v Speaker 1>going to step back from his So a whole lot

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00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:59.239
<v Speaker 1>of stepping back on here. And you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if Trump there's a genius to a method or

1039
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<v Speaker 1>a genius to his madness. It's not really madness. But

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<v Speaker 1>the point is I won't be surprised that this is

1041
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<v Speaker 1>another boomerang that comes back and hits Democrats squarely in ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's certainly what all the circumstantial evidence looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, the walls are closing in. I think I

1044
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<v Speaker 2>saw that actually at the other day. This is going

1045
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<v Speaker 2>to be the one that does it. And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who was a conservative during the Clinton years remembers

1047
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<v Speaker 2>that every six or seven months or so, there was

1048
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<v Speaker 2>something that was going to put this guy away. If

1049
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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't Whitewater, if it wasn't Vince Foster, if it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't this, it wasn't that the walls were always closing

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<v Speaker 2>in on Bill Clinton. He was just I was this

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<v Speaker 2>closed and finally being revealed to all, and it never happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you see it happening to the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>you can say, I've been there, brother, I know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how it feels. The walls are not closing in. When

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<v Speaker 2>I look at Reddit, for example, which is coded way

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<v Speaker 2>to the sort of bubble left, very much blue sky,

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<v Speaker 2>very much of their own creation. There's always mega panic,

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<v Speaker 2>mega panics, Trump furious Mega panics, and Trump is furious

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<v Speaker 2>over Mega Panics.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Because apparently the Mega movement and conservatives in general have

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<v Speaker 2>fled from Donald Trump because of the Epstein thing and

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<v Speaker 2>his positions on it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I look at these people and I say, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know anybody who cares about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know anybody who doesn't think that

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump was it was a bit of a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Studio fifty four kind of guy, maybe back in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>part about doing coke and drinking.

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<v Speaker 3>It's, you know, straight arrow that that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think anybody would be surprised of the libertine nature

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<v Speaker 2>of the life that they live the guy's on the

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<v Speaker 2>cover of playbook for ifan sakes. So no, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>mega panic, and there's no walls closing in, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no fleeing in the rest of it. It just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of is a dull fud, maybe wrong. The people who

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<v Speaker 2>are really interested in this are the people who have

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<v Speaker 2>a close connection to those who believe that a huge

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<v Speaker 2>pedophile ring runs through Washington or River of Adrenochrome that

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to the Pizza Gate thing, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>all the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 3>They're very much invested in this.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, how did Epstein get its money by,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, by arranging things. I just think he was

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<v Speaker 2>a great arranger in an era that had a disgustingly

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<v Speaker 2>curdled sort of sexual politics that came from the the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the inevitable result of the sexual revolution is

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<v Speaker 2>that worked its way from hippies into the bourgeois.

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<v Speaker 3>Clett I go on, well, you know, I can, if.

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<v Speaker 1>I were an irresponsible person, I could make up a

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<v Speaker 1>unified field theory that says Epstein got his money by

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<v Speaker 1>arranging the cocaine shipments to the Mina airport and airport.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That would bring us we'll circle back to the glory

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<v Speaker 1>days of the Clinton scandals.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, where his brother arranged for the assassination

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<v Speaker 2>of the two youth who were found by the railroad tracks.

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<v Speaker 3>I get it absolutely. I was there too. Thank you

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<v Speaker 3>David Brooks for that hard hitting stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, one of the more interesting things that

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen in the last couple of days is that

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein files revealed that Epstein hated Donald Trump and thought

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<v Speaker 2>he was a bad man. And they're holding this up

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<v Speaker 2>like proof of something like, I mean, like, the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's the worst man in the world thought that this

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<v Speaker 2>guy was a bad guy.

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<v Speaker 3>What does that necessarily toll?

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<v Speaker 2>That mean that he's lower on the ranks, or he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like him because he was trying, he was indifferent

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<v Speaker 2>to him and his blandishments and the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the twenty twenty six elections will will

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<v Speaker 2>revolve around this. I do know, however, that unless you

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<v Speaker 2>guys have something sparkling and bright to add, we best

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<v Speaker 2>get out and leave these people in a nice, tight

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<v Speaker 2>one hour podcast. Peter, anything you'd like to tell us

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<v Speaker 2>about your long absence and where you've been and what

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<v Speaker 2>you've done.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been minding my p's and q's. James, I have

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<v Speaker 5>nothing entertaining to say about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, oh I've been informed. Of course there was

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<v Speaker 2>David Brock, now David Brooks.

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<v Speaker 3>Who am I thinking of? I'm thinking of James Brooks.

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<v Speaker 1>The Simpsons said they all met one to get it right.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, sorry, sorry, I don't have coffee or too much.

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<v Speaker 2>And Stephen, you've got Thanksgiving coming up as well. We

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<v Speaker 2>hope everybody has a good one, and remember that Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 2>COVID Thanksgiving twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Five, I'll get your half off for the year.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course if you use the Ricochet code at

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<v Speaker 2>Cosey of the Earth, you get up the forty percent

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<v Speaker 2>off if you go to Apple Podcasts and give us

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<v Speaker 2>a five star review.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't believe what's gonna happen. I can't tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not as if Glinda and the Goodwitch is going

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<v Speaker 2>to come down in a bubble and tap you with

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<v Speaker 2>a wand could happen, not saying it won't, probably won't.

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<v Speaker 2>But in any case, what you need to do is

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<v Speaker 2>come back next week when we won't be here. No,

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<v Speaker 2>come back in a fortnight when Charles CW. Cook will

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<v Speaker 2>be able to tell you precisely which version number of

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<v Speaker 2>Ricochet we are on, but I'm pretty sure it's still

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<v Speaker 2>in the forest. We'll see everybody in the comments at

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<v Speaker 2>Ricochet four point whatever. Happy Thanksgiving, Bye bye, Happy Thanksgiving.