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Speaker 2: Mister garbachow, tear down this wall.

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Speaker 3: It's the Ricochet Podcast with Steven Hayward. I'm James Lylax.

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Speaker 2: Whoa Peter Robinson. He's back and who are we going

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Speaker 3: Our meet Dylan? So let's Arizlve's a podcast.

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it's not our job to fill the event. Well, University

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of Berkeley, it's also not your job to make sure

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the most stimulating conversations and community on the web. I'm

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James Lylax in a very overcast and very atumblal Minnesota, Minneapolis.

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Speaker 3: Stephen is.

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Speaker 2: While we're looking at Stephen in a bare room, he appeared.

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It looks like a liminal space from a video game

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from nineteen ninety seven. We'll get to that in a second.

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And Peter Robinson is with us. We had rob Long

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last week, and now we've got Peter. You know, it's

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like we could just mash those two shows together.

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Speaker 3: It'd be like old times.

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Speaker 5: But Peter, Welcome, Welcome back, Welcome James. It's good, good,

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very good to be here, very good to be here.

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Although here in California it's a rainy, drippy day, it

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sounds as though it's a similar to the day you're

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having in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 6: Why did God give us Autumn Whoa's of the year?

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Speaker 5: No excuse excuse me. I put that, I put that,

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I put that a little loosely. Why did God give

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us the last third of autumn?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: The first a necessary transition from which we go from

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the absolute chromatic glory that is well actually know, Audi

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starts in full green involvement where everything is perfect and

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everything's alive, and then it gradually diminishes, which can either

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look as a shedding of identity to assume a new one,

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or you can look at as death, or you can

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look at as part of the cycle.

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Speaker 3: Of life and things.

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Speaker 2: So here even so, I'll be walking the dog in

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the creek in the woods in a little bit. And

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while most of the trees are scratching bare limbs against

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the sky, there's a few trees that still have some

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brown leaves on. There'll be a bush here and there

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that's still verdant. There'll be a tree there that still

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is green, and they will carry that into the time

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when the first snow starts. And so we will have

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this wonderful easing into transitions. But you're absolutely right, at

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the end of November is a long, raw, miserable.

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Speaker 1: And for Peter, no matter what the season, James Lyax

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will still wax poetic. So shut out, Peter, don't.

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Speaker 2: Peter's got behind him a nice littographic of a beautiful library,

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and Steve and you have an empty shelves, and I

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so you look like a place that's going out of business, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in a borrowed office, and that's actually all

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Speaker 2: So between the suspended feelings and the empty ply with Ikia,

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then we show a more harmonious place next to you.

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So what we have going on in the world we

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should talk about before we get to our guests, and

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stuff that probably I don't know counts issues of the day.

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Speaker 3: Tariffs.

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Speaker 2: The other day I noticed that the tariff I think

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I mentioned this last week, the price of bananas had

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increased by fource ends at Trader Joe's.

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Speaker 3: Trader Joe's used a whole banana prices like.

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Speaker 2: Costco held their hont dogs and now they'd gone up

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four cents, And I thought, well, there's your tariffs there.

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I can bear this. But presidents decided to do cut

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tariffs on beef and tomatoes and coffee, thank god, bananas,

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and perhaps a stimulus check.

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Speaker 3: No I macs of Carter era.

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Speaker 2: Biden esque stuff, but is not surprising. So guys, tell

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me what you thinking of the stimulus check.

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Speaker 3: Idea and what you do with it if you got it.

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, it's these are all liberal ideas, right,

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let's split throughout money, and the tariff decision really reveals

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the sort of incoherence and contradiction of Trump's claims that

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tariffs are paid for by the other countries and not US.

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But I think there's a bigger point here. Trump has

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been criticized by many conservatives for not recognizing the affordability

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issue really has traction and allowing the left to get

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back in on this. And here's one of the mistake

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is being made, I think by all of our teams,

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so to speak. Is so, you know, Mondamie a socialist

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and other and as also we've talked about it a

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few times in recent months. The abundance liberals have shown up,

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and so they're saying, oh, we're concerned about affordability. And

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that's when I raise my hand and I make two points.

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First of all, who created the affordability crisis? Well, liberals

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did with all their regulations for the last forty years

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or longer. So don't There's a great chart I've viewed

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sometimes I'll just describe it. It's not hard. If you

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look at the three sectors of the economy whose costs

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have increased the fastest over inflation. They are healthcare, higher education,

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and housing. Healthcare higher education distorted by government sub season regulations,

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and housing also suppressed and distorted badly by government regulation

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going back forty to fifty years, originating in California.

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Speaker 3: That's all.

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Speaker 1: I've written a lot about this over the years, And

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so why isn't Trump and other Republicans saying affordability, you

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guys caused it. The only way we're going to fix

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it is that for you guys to get out of

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the way and let us fix your messes. And instead

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we're doing these gimmicks. Oh, we'll send out a stimulus check,

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paying anyway. And so I think it's been a handheaded

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response by Trump and our team when we should be

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going in for the kill about what are mont Dommy's ideas. Oh,

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let's have more rent control and government run grocery stores.

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Speaker 5: I agree with absolutely every word Steve said there is,

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And so why is Trump doing all this? And I'm

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afraid to I have to state the conclusion that he

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doesn't actually know better. I don't mean to condescend to

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the chief executive, who is in all kinds of ways

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an astonishing figure and has done more good than harm

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by a lot, by a lot, but he doesn't really

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know his way around economics. He knows his way around business,

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he knows how to do deals, but he doesn't know

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his way around economics. There is exactly one justification for

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imposing tariffs. It might apply in the case of China,

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and the justification is that we are in a long

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term conflict with China. We have only two levers, one

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is military and the other is trade, and we'd all

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rather pull the trade lever than the military lever. Even

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that needs to be hedged around with all kinds of qualifications.

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Speaker 1: You have to be extremely.

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Speaker 6: Careful about what you impose tariffs on and so forth.

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As for the rest of it, it's a drag.

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Speaker 5: We can disagree about how much of a drag, but

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it's a drag on economic growth.

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Speaker 6: Oddly enough, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: We'll see where the spokesman for capitalism and free markets

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come from. But it felt to me as though a

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great debate has just gotten launched on the island of Manhattan.

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Two big events took place this past autumn. Steve mentioned

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the first New Yorker's elected a socialist. And that's not

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us calling names. He calls himself a socialist, a socialist

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mayor The other event got most noticed on editorial pages

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of the wal I beg your pardon, on architectural pages,

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the arts pages of the Wall Street Journal of the

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New York Times. But I think that it will prove,

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or it could prove, a very significant political and economic event,

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and that is that Jamie Diamond opened the three billion

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dollar cathedral to free markets, the new office, the new

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skyscraper office in the middle of Manhattan. Manhattan has a

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way of putting arguments in masonry. So we have thirty

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for we have the old Rockefeller Office, we have the

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old New York Stock Exchange trading floor. These are down

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on Wall Street. But this is incomparably the grandest monument

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to free markets that anyone has ever erected, even on

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the island of Manhattan. It's taller than the Empire State Building.

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The lobby apparently is a couple of hundred feet tall.

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a socialist mayor, Jamie Diamond, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase, says, no,

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I'm doubling down. I'm tripling down on this island, on enterprise,

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on America's capital markets. We'll see how all this goes.

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But that is one tough articulatembre in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 2: And I cannot stand the building change it. I've been

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watching it go up for years. I have been trying

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because I love skyscrapers and people who make that commitment

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and say, yes, we're going to stay in Manhattan, and

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Commodore Tower, which actually I kind of like an awful

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lot better, even though it sadly overshadows the Chrysler building.

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Speaker 3: But I do not like the JP Morgan building.

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Speaker 2: The great cross bracing of it reminds me of the

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John Hancock, which is okay. The way it's sort of

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stacked up like decks of cards and the rest of it.

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the way it meets the street. It meets the street

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by swooping inward in a way that puts the mass

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in the bulk above you, and I don't think that

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that's a great idea. I think it makes people sort

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of uncomfortable. But I just don't like it. I don't

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like the hue, I don't like this, the brusqueness of it.

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would be better in Chicago. People call it art daco

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over darn. It's nothing the sort. It's a throwback and

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again glad they built it, good luck with it. And

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built this palace, everybody's back in the office, Thank you Monday,

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see you then, because yeah, well.

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Speaker 1: Well, James, I mean, what do you expect from Lake

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Capitalism by buildings like that?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: And Peter, the big question to Wag and Sharper is

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they're going to have people back to the office and

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they'll spend their first weeks packing up to move to Florida.

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We'll see, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: Right, what we'll expect from Lake Capitalism. I expect a

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lot more Barroken freo foo stuff. I expect things like

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you saw in Billionaires roll along Central Park where they

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have those these ridiculously tall apartment buildings where people are

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on the eighty fifth floor and they take a bath

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and the water sloshes up because the buildings swing and

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the wind.

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Speaker 3: They're welcome to it anyway, So yeah, Peter, that's good.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, But you're right if he sat down and

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talked to some people. I'm willing to take, you know,

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eat the four percent of bananas. But I'm wondering exactly

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why we have a tariff on the banana countries at all.

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Speaker 3: Is it to get to buy more of our stuff?

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Speaker 2: The point you made about tariffs on China, about restoring,

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about reducing our dependency. All that's good, and let's have

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more of that, but you know, less of the coffee tariffs. Really,

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Speaker 3: Policy, the approval of the administration is way up. Now.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to know why you guys think that is

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he's at forty three percent today approval in.

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Speaker 3: Foreign policy versus thirty five percent about this time.

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Speaker 2: Last year, and that's above where Obama and Bush were

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the Hamas Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's the Ukraine handling or do you

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think that people are saying finally war with Venezuela or

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I actually think these polls are misleading.

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this that back in the Reagan years, the polster has

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always said Reagan himself is very personally popular. Individual policies

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are unpopular.

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Speaker 3: By the way.

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Speaker 1: That was mostly wrong. But you know, never mind that

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from another time, and I think with Trump we see

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the opposite. I think a lot of his policies, and

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some of the polling does show this, are popular. But

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Trump remains a lightning rod because he's so abrasive, right,

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political strength is understated by these polls that are taken

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because I think you can't really pull Trump accurately for

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the purposes that we usually try to do these things.

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So I always kind of liked about you know, Trump

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always I wanted a huge landslide. That's not true. You know,

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I'm really popular. All the stuff he says is it

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strikes people says, oh, there he goes again. He's bragging

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and being weird and all the rest of that. I

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kind of like all that myself. It's fun.

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Speaker 5: So Steve, I want to make sure I understand this.

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is some version of do you approve of the job

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the president is doing? People can't hear that. They can't

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answer that question without making some comment on whether they

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like him, And we know that something like a little

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over half the country just cannot stand him.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's your point, That's right, although I mean at

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one more level of refinement, it is true that you

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need to sort of wait the issues that are most

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important in people's minds. So the approval rating is important

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if the key issues are things that the president's on

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the wrong side of, like affordability we were talking about

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a moment ago. I did just see an analysis by

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that very interesting progressive surveyor David Shore, and what he

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shows is that Trump's still very strong on the economy.

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to the extent that immigration is a high important issue

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like it was a year ago and still into this year.

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Then he does very well on it. But one of

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the things that is a declining issue for Democrats is

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climate change the environment. Right, we could do a whole

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episode on how the climate change movement is all right

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and Republicans are now trusted on energy, that is all

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Republicans are trusted more on that. So the point is

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so that all know, mix have an election tomorrow depends

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on the Democratic candidate. I still think Trump wins.

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Speaker 5: So what do you guys think about the moving the

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USS gerald Ford into the Caribbean and the attacks on

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these gunboats off the coast of Venezuela.

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Speaker 6: Where does that come into the polling?

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Speaker 3: Not yet. I don't think it enters yet.

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Speaker 6: You don't think it enters yet, all right, So may

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I try out?

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Speaker 5: My own feelings on this are mixed because I take

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every word that Rand Paul says. If you're going to

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be killing people, if you're going to be attacking boats

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in where this needs to be done under coloration of law,

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even if it's by the chief executive of the United States,

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he's not okay.

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Speaker 6: So there's that.

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, it feels to me as the

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lot of people say, wait a minute, drugs have been

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a problem in this country for half a century, and

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finally somebody's doing something about it. I mean, at that level,

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it just feels to me as though a wide swath

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of ordinary Americans say, yeah, good for him. What do

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you how do you how do you do you feel

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both put tugs in that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, absolutely so. I mean, I'm sure that

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somebody is going to.

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Speaker 2: Say, well, there was a joint military resolution whatever you

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want to call it, that was passed after nine to

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eleven to go after terrorism, and these guys are terrorism

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in this extent, and therefore we're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a bunch of made up stuff.

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Speaker 2: I too, would prefer, as I do with continuing resolutions

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and all the rest of these things, a bill, a

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vote at the way it ought to be, instead of

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wrapping it into some vague thing and saying let the

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courts later hammer it out.

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Speaker 3: But Peter, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, people look at this and say,

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hold on, you, isn't this what a country should do

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without really having to apologize for an thing that people

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are bringing noxious substances? That can I mean, if they're

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bringing in enough fentanyl to kill a million people and

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it's going to be cut down, of course, it seems

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to me to be something of a weapon of mass destruction,

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even if people willingly themselves ingested.

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Speaker 3: And it's like the border.

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Speaker 2: Situation with Biden, where they would say, well, yeah, these

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people are streaming over, but what are you going to do.

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I mean most people look at this and say, well,

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there are a variety of things that you can do

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and that you used to do. And all we need,

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basically is Sergeant Joe Friday who's got a gimblet eye

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about these things and looks coldly upon it and does

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what has to be done.

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Speaker 3: And you know, they.

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Speaker 2: Let the law take its course if there's a law here,

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but yes, you can't do something. And something is being done,

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and they seem very serious about it. And we don't

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know exactly what's being taken to the cartels. We don't

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know whether or not there is a delta force or

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some guys with some smeared on, you know, paint on

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their faces, no underwear, or a sneaking around there and

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doing some very very serious things to some very bad people.

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Speaker 3: We don't know. The pressure on Maduro is interesting.

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Speaker 2: What's happening in Mexico City is Mexico as people are

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protesting their own government for cartailed involvement is interesting. So

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I think there is an opportunity here. Of course, if

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Americans didn't want it, it wouldn't be a problem. But you

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know a lot of Americans do.

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Speaker 1: Well, Can I make a larger. I think a larger

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point about this. By the way, I'm having a running

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argument with John you about the legality of it all.

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He has doubts about it. But I suggest there's a

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larger strategic dimension that is not being recognized by the

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media and commentators, and that is item one. As Peter

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likes to say, there's been NonStop flights from Tehran to

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Caracas for many years now, and I don't think that's

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for tourism, and I don't even think it's just about

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coordinating the OPEC and oil market stuff. Venezuela is a

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bad actor and they're getting worse, I think. And second,

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of the Trump strategist is China. China would love to

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get close to Venezuela. It's just another market for them,

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an oil source. And I think that that's on the

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drug thing is totally legitimate and so forth. But I

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also think in the back of their mind, this is

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the Monroe doctrine, Baby, and we're going to stop Venezuela

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from getting closer to our.

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Speaker 3: Enemies exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Monroe doctrines back, Baby, which mean is it's about time

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for the Brison f doctrine to come back somewhere as

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the network outs. Well, listen, lots of stuff we could

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talk about forever an everde flapper jaws and amuse ourselves.

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But hey, we have a guest, and what a guest,

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And now we're welcome to the podcast. Army Dylan again

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the Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of

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the US Department of Justice. She was nominated by the

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President in December, sworn in by ag Bondi in April,

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and prior to joining the administration, she ran her own

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private practice deal in law group, and she founded the

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Center for American Liberty, a nonprofit organization dedicated to pursuing

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civil liberties legal claims.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, how are you today?

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Speaker 7: I'm great, Thanks for having me again.

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Speaker 2: Let's go right to Berkeley. Civil Rights Division has been busy.

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They've been investigating a disturbance, said Berkeley. I involved threats

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of and shows a actual viole. Was it a tp

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USA event which many people may have seen on their

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social media feeds. It seems this case reminds us of,

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you know, a classic problem we have in campuses, you know,

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the Heckler's veto versus the right of people to speak,

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especially in elite campuses were supposedly free information is supposed

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to flow, but this one has an added piquency given

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the killing, the assassination of Charlie Cook las September. So

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tell us what happened at UC Berkeley and why it

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matters to your team and what's being done.

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Speaker 7: You're absolutely right. I mean, I dating back to my

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days in college at Dartmouth, we had these free speech

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issues on campus, and you know, I remember bringing William F.

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Buckley Junior to come speak on the campus and all

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the drama surrounding that and introducing him when I was

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when I was an undergrad, I sued UC Berkeley in

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twenty seventeen for preventing conservatives to come and speak on

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the campus, including and Culture and David Horowitz, and we

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used a settlement where they agreed that they were not

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going to impose higher security fees for conservative speakers and

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they were going to protect them. And you know, during

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the course of that litigation, Ben Shapiro came and indeed

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there was a big, massive police force to protect him

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and deal with all the silly protesters. So what I

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saw the news last Monday about this violent reaction to

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the speech on campus of Rob Schneider, the comedian. I

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was very disappointed because I personally negotiated that this would

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not happen again, and so the president got engaged in this.

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He and I spoke on the phone about it. He's

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very concerned about violence on campus and asked me to

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personally handle it. So I flew out to Berkeley last

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Wednesday and met with the US attorney and the special

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Agent in charge of the FBI and gave them some

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direction as to what I think they should be looking at.

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But so far, what we found is that ANTIFA related groups,

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and in this case, the name of the group that

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I'm very familiar with from prior litigation at Berkeley is

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by any means necessary, had been advertising that they wanted

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to attack this event for as much as two weeks

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according to witnesses before the event. And there were also

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five student or quasi student organizations, some recognize, some not recognized,

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that have been openly fomenting trouble on the campus around

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this event as well. And then finally the campus itself

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participated in I think, disrupting the event by forcing the

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student group to allow online reservations for the ticketing instead

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of how most student groups, particularly conservative student groups, prefer

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to do the ticketing, which is send out an email

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blast to their members, let their members sign up first,

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so that we don't have the pernicious signing up for

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tickets and not attending the event that you see on

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many campuses. Will Berkeley force them to do it this way.

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So the event was half empty, and we will be

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investigating the criminal aspects of this, the violence, the materials,

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support for terrorism potentially that may be part of these

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types of circumstances on campus, and potential First Amendment retaliation

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as well as other civil rights claims and so civil

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rights divisions kind running the show on this, but with

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significant support from our criminal FBI and DOJ components.

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Speaker 2: There's something when they were willing to go black shirt

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over Rob Schnyder, I mean, wait until the heavyweights of

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the intellectual movement get up there and have the audacity

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appear on stage. When I was in college, there was

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a bruhaha and a threat of violence in all people

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getting upset because Jeane Kirkpatrick was coming to speak.

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Speaker 3: And then a little while later somebody who.

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Speaker 2: Sailed in with open arms and was warmly welcomed by

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the by the college was Angela Davis.

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Speaker 3: So this is an old, old, timeless issue.

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Speaker 5: Alas Peter Well, harm me, your old friend, Peter Robinson.

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Here civil Rights division has an honorable inception. It goes

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back to civil rights disturbances in the South, when there

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was a more than plausible argument that African Americans needed

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particular protections or particular oversight in Washington, make sure they voted,

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their rights were respected, and so forth. But by the

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time Donald Trump takes office for the second time, we've

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been through the me Too movement, We've been through the

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Obama years, we've been through the Biden years, and it

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was perfectly plausible, I think, and I came to this

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view myself that the Civil Rights Division had long ago

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been captured by the deep state and was a tool

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of the progressive or the left in Washington.

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Speaker 6: You don't look at it that.

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Speaker 5: Way, and I know you don't, because I know you,

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and I know you would never have taken the job

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if you did look at it that way. What is

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the right way to look at the Civil Rights Division?

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Speaker 7: Both ways are correct, And the fact of the matter

476
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is that the personnel are the policy. A famous phrase,

477
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And when I showed up here what I found was

478
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over four hundred attorneys and other I mean, they are

479
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like gobs of statisticians and other non attorney staff here

480
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at the Civil Rights Division. Who you know, it's like

481
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that Obama photograph when the Obama White House was on

482
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their last day and the Trump folks were moving in

483
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in twenty seventeen.

484
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Speaker 3: You know that.

485
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Speaker 7: Sullen and menacing resentment kind of look. That was kind

486
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of how we were greeted here when we showed up.

487
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And I had to do my training, all kinds of

488
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HR training and how to handle sensitive documents training and

489
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don't sexually harass people training. And then the second week

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I put out memos to the heads of all the

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different sections in the Civil Rights divisions. I think they

492
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were eleven or twelve of them, and I said, these

493
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are the federal civil rights statutes that we enforced and

494
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their Title seven, Title nine America's Disabilities Act, and RALUPA

495
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and YOKABA and HAVA and MBRA, and are we going

496
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to take our priorities under these laws that we are

497
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definitely going to enforce because I swore I would enforce

498
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them from the President's executive orders, okay, And I put

499
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that in writing and I put it out there, and

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this caused over two undred attorneys to quit, and some

501
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of them. Now, mind you that under the.

502
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Speaker 6: Half the staff, half your staff.

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Speaker 7: By now more than two thirds of them have quit,

504
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and frankly a few more need to quit because they

505
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don't really aren't really really with the program. But I

506
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haven't fired a single person. I just told them their

507
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job was different than how they wanted to do it,

508
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which is absolutely how the executive branch of the government

509
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needs to work. And I think they thought, and some

510
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of them were featured in a New York Times article

511
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whining about our change priorities just a few days ago,

512
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and I think they thought that this would somehow cripple

513
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us and we weren't going to be able to function,

514
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and that hasn't turned out to be the case. First

515
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of all, I'm just sorry to say, as a person

516
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who had two CEO roles and worked around the clock

517
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just a few months ago, people in the government don't

518
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work as hard as those of us in the private

519
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sector on average. Now, some of them do have some great,

520
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you know, wonderful career attorneys here who work very hard,

521
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and they're the ones who you go to time and

522
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again and there's just a bunch who four years to

523
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do an investigation and never reach a conclusion that is

524
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supportable in court. And so we weren't crippled. We started

525
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hiring again. There was you know, there was some pickups

526
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in that process. I'm still understaffed, but that's a supply problem.

527
00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:20,880
At this point. Conservative lawyers are not stepping up to

528
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come and do this work. Throughout the government. We're having

529
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problems in staffing the US Attorney's offices, other sections of

530
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the DOJ. We're all kind of overwhelmed. But those of

531
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us who are here are doing the job, and we

532
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have actually, I would say, pound for pound, done more

533
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enforcement actions in the Civil Rights Division in the eight months,

534
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not even eight months that I've been here, then most administrations,

535
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perhaps all administrations do in four years. I include the

536
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last administration, and I include the prior Trump administration. I

537
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do not view it as my job to simply slow

538
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down the bad. A lot of the people who were

539
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far left left and so now we have an opportunity

540
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to enforce our federal civil rights laws on campuses, protect

541
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all were the disabilities who are being mistreated with autism,

542
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and so forth, protect the rights of the disabled in

543
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our country, which was a law passed by and signed

544
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by Republican President, and our voting rights laws. I am

545
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the first Assistant Attorney General to bring help America Vote

546
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Act and NVR enforcement actions I think at all, but

547
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certainly in the volume that we've been doing them. And

548
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so you know, we're just flipping the script and doing

549
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civil rights from a conservative perspective. And I love my job.

550
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Speaker 1: So Harmie, it's Steve Hayward today actually just down the

551
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street from you here in Washington, d C. And I'll

552
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just say in passing that I'm not surprised that Berkeley

553
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came apart because John, you and I are taking this

554
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semester off, and we were there. We wouldn't have let

555
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it happen, So you can blame us. And then when

556
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I hear that two thirds of the career lawyers have quit,

557
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the first thing I want to say is congratulations. How

558
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did you do it? I mean, I know how you

559
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did it, but it does raise this point. And then

560
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I've got a big question to present to you. You

561
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may know the history of this. Your predecessor, way back

562
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in the Reagan years, William Bradford Reynolds. They were trying

563
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to make some course corrections on a civil rights a

564
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scene of distortions of civil rights that were minor compared

565
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to what we've seen in the last ten twenty years.

566
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And I think then something like two hundred lawyers threatened

567
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to quit. I think they ended up not quitting, but

568
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they made some accommodations and also made some important progress

569
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in the eighties. And that's an interesting story. But now

570
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things are so much worse. And Peter was too nice.

571
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I mean, look to restate what he said is the

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left thinks the civil rights or establishments and enforcement processes

573
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belonged to them. Holy right, We're not entitled literally what

574
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they think, right correct. So here's my big roundhouse question.

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We now, you're the first Republican civil rights Assistant Attorney

576
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General since the Harvard and North Carolina cases, which reversed

577
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to know more than forty years of complete corruption of

578
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the Civil Rights Act.

579
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Speaker 5: Rightly understood, Steve, some of those cases remind people what

580
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those were, well, well, at least were the the race

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based the firm of action and missions at Harvard and

582
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North Carolina and anyplace else that practices it, which was

583
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essentially everywhere, And on principle, I believe harmead and correct

584
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me if I'm wrong. It Also the principle clearly extends to.

585
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Speaker 1: An awful lot of private sector activities, you know, hiring

586
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corporations and schools and so forth. Now the parallel is

587
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being drawn is that this is as monumental as the

588
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Brown versus Board of Education decision in the fifties, and

589
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as everyone knows who knows the history, massive resistance to it,

590
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and we're seeing massive resistance now to students for fair

591
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admissions by elite universities and so forth. And it took

592
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at least fifteen years of subsequent litigation by the Civil

593
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Rights Division by a private lawsuits under the statutes to

594
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enforce Brown versus Board. And a lot of people are saying,

595
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and you know, Edward Bloom's a very good friend of mine,

596
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the same thing's going to have to happen now. So

597
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I wonder if you comment on that assessment is generally correct,

598
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and what you think are some of the priorities for

599
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how to extend well enforce that decision and then extend

600
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the principle of it in domains right well.

601
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Speaker 7: When you add students for fair admissions to Aims versus Ohio,

602
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which applies an equal standard for majority plaintiffs versus minority

603
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plaintiffs and Title seven litigation in the private workplace. You

604
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absolutely have a sea change in the way that people

605
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are looking at this and they have to. And so

606
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what we've done is, you know, the signature I think

607
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we're going to look at back at this first year

608
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of the Trump administration, and a signature accomplishment is going

609
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to be are the letters that I sent out literally

610
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the first friday of my job here in the first

611
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week of April, to fifty of the top fifty universities

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in the United States, and then I added the top

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medical schools and the top law schools, and then we

614
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added a few more in there as well, and we've

615
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gone down I'd like seventy eighty investigations open into these institutions,

616
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and we reached settlements with several of them. I personally

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have negotiated the settlements in Colombia, Cornell University of Law

618
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school alma mater, and I've also met with university presidents

619
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at Dartmouth and UNC and some other schools that were

620
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not going after because you know, they are in a

621
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dialogue with us and showing us their homework what they

622
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have done. To combat anti semitism on campus, to dismantle DEI,

623
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to bring their websites and their programs in compliance with

624
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the law. But it is very, very deep seated. It

625
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has been decades. There's a couple of different threads here

626
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that are problematic. First of all, the academic vogue for

627
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decades has been this concept of affirmative action in hiring

628
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and in faculty and even my goodness, footnotes in laarview

629
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articles and lar review selection they've measured that, and in admissions.

630
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So it's a culture. And you know, the liberals who

631
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go into this field feel like it's deeply offensive to

632
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them and their moral code to have to change that.

633
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It's repugnant to them, just as it would be repugnant

634
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to us to you know, go back to the nineteen

635
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:09,039
sixties and fifties and separate water fountains. It's repugnant them

636
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,440
to dismantle this system. So they have a moral conflict.

637
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And secondly, generations of young people have gotten useless degrees

638
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,720
in gender studies and of race hustling is what I

639
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:25,279
call it. And who's going to hire them? You know,

640
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,720
an AI company's not going to hire them. Google's not

641
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,200
going to hire them. Unless it's for the Diversity Office.

642
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:35,079
Their jobs have been imposing these frameworks in academia and

643
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:39,720
in the American corporation, and now what their jobs have

644
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:42,480
effectively been eliminated if these institutions are being honest. So

645
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:44,680
people their friends don't want them to be out of

646
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,920
a job. They like Susie down the hall, and so

647
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that rebranding Susie's job as the DEI officer or the

648
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,559
equity officer as the Opportunity Office, the Office of Opportunity,

649
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and they're doing the exact same things and they think

650
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that we're not going to find out. Well, thanks to

651
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,240
the Internet, whistleblowers are calling that out in five minutes

652
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:08,839
and we know about it. We send a letter and

653
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it usually gets shut down.

654
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Speaker 1: But it is wlackable.

655
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Speaker 7: That's why I could use one hundred or two hundred

656
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more lawyers to do this enforcement work. And it's going

657
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to it's not going to be easy, but it is necessary,

658
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and it is it is our mandate. It is our

659
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duty to enforce these laws equally.

660
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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things you mentioned there before, where

661
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the people who come out with useless gender degrees I

662
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useless unless of course they go right to you know,

663
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to another university and get hired to teach it there.

664
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But the reevaluation of the gender ideology that's flowed through

665
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the society in the last five.

666
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Speaker 3: Ten years has been one of the emphasy of the administration.

667
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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, if you go right now

668
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to Google and you ask about the Civil Rights Division

669
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and the Trump administration and transgenderism, what you find, according

670
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to Google's AI Interview AI assummation, is that the Civil

671
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,119
Rights Division under you has been accused of weaponization against

672
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civil rights principles in pursuit of a politicized agenda. That's

673
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how Wikipedia frames it, when in truth, we've been dealing

674
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with a politicized agenda for many years and this is

675
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the pushback to it. So what do you see as

676
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the end results, say, after the end of your tenure,

677
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when it comes to managing what many regard as the

678
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,480
madness of the gender ideology that swept at the institutions.

679
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Speaker 7: I'm touching my pearls, so let me unclutch them. After

680
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,480
the horror of a politicized agenda and the Civil Rights

681
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Division is difficult to contemplate. But look, I'm a woman

682
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in the workplace and it just blows my mind that

683
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feminists have so easily given up the hard fought rights

684
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of girls and women in this country and handed them

685
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,480
over to dudes and dresses. It is outrageous. And on

686
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top of that, I think the sexual mutilation of children

687
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in this country is a civil rights crisis, and it

688
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,360
is the abortion of our and it's We're going to

689
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look back on it as a shameful period in our history.

690
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And so I feel very comfortable weaponizing, if you will,

691
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the current laws, enforcing them to protect the rights of

692
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women and girls and boys. I find we just filed

693
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in a case in loud And County, Virginia. I authorized

694
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the filing in a case where, well, we have an

695
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,840
investigation pending in the reverse where a girl comes into

696
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the boys locker room and boys have rights too, boys

697
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:35,679
have privacy rights also. It's an equal problem as far

698
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,599
as I'm concerned, and so I don't think there's any

699
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:41,440
there's any problem here. Now, what's going to happen in

700
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the next administration is going to depend on who's the president. Obviously,

701
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if it's a Republican president, I think we're going to

702
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,719
see the same trend continue. If it's a Democrat president,

703
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I don't know. Because what I'm hearing from a lot

704
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:56,599
of my Democrat friends, dads who have kids and care

705
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,800
about them, they don't like this stuff either. It's not normal,

706
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,000
it is fringe, and the Left has really been captured

707
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by the far left extreme of its own party. And

708
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so I think you may see a course correction. I'm

709
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not sure that Democrats in twenty twenty eight are going

710
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to be running on the agenda of boys and girls,

711
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,039
locker rooms, or some of that other gender madness that

712
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we've seen at that level. I hope that people are

713
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coming to their senses, and.

714
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: Bill Maher will give cover to the older boomers, Joy

715
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,159
Reid will give cover to other people, but there's going

716
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:28,280
to have to be somebody from the younger generation that

717
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,880
actually breaks with it and says, no, this is anti

718
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:31,800
scientific nonsense.

719
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,039
Speaker 3: Peter, I think you had something.

720
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, Armead, I'd like to go back to something you

721
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,760
mentioned in passing a few minutes ago. You've got a

722
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,280
couple hundred lawyers you need more, but you added conservative

723
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,239
lawyers are not stepping up, they're not putting their resumes in.

724
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,960
So my question, my question is not to the rights

725
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,480
and wrongs of what you're doing, needless to say, I'm

726
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:59,880
totally behind you. The question is the structure of legal

727
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:04,599
careers for young lawyers, so to speak, to put it

728
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:09,159
crudely on our side, for the old structure was there

729
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:11,320
were going to be some lawyers who were perfectly content

730
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,159
to go to the Civil Rights Division and make an

731
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,440
entire career there because they felt comfortable with it because

732
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,320
of the stability of government employment. And then there were

733
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,639
going to be other lawyers, again on the democratic or

734
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,719
left or progressive side, who understood that they could spend

735
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,599
a couple of years at the Civil Rights Division because

736
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,519
there would be big time law firms right there in

737
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:34,039
Washington that would be happy to hire them right out

738
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:39,760
of the Civil Rights Division. Young talent on our side

739
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,960
doesn't want government as a full time career. Might be

740
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,559
I'm guessing this, I'm putting this to you as a question,

741
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:49,239
might be happy to go to work for Harmeat Dylan

742
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:49,920
for a couple.

743
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,079
Speaker 3: Of years, But then what do they do.

744
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 5: The big time law firms in Washington are going to

745
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,320
be nervous about them, aren't they.

746
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:58,559
Speaker 6: How do you make this permanent? How do you change?

747
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 5: How do you change the incentive is for talent? Young

748
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,119
talent on our side.

749
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,519
Speaker 7: So let's break it down. First of all, when I

750
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:08,480
refer to conservative, I'm talking about the front office political staffing.

751
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,239
Of course, when we're hiring for career attorneys, we don't

752
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,480
take politics into consideration. That said, I've very clearly articulated

753
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,480
what my agenda is, and it's to enforce Trump administration's priorities.

754
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,280
So I think people can get the clues they're not

755
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,800
going to be coming here and doing consent decrees on

756
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:28,480
trivial differences and arrest rates in some city and then

757
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:30,880
you know, making a city pay at tens of millions

758
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,960
of dollars to a monitor for that. We're not doing

759
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,639
that anymore, and that's what a lot of these folks

760
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,119
have been doing. But the lecture I've been giving to

761
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:40,320
people is if you want to come and pick up

762
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,159
some new skills, this is a great place to work.

763
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,719
Think of it like the Peace Corps or something, or

764
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,599
Teach for America or something like that. Young lawyers today

765
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,760
in the movement, well, when I got out of law

766
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,119
school thirty two years ago, thirty three years ago, there

767
00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,719
was no opportunity to go work at a nonprofit like

768
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,480
the one that I founded six years ago, the Center

769
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,519
for American Liberty, which provides jobs for several lawyers who

770
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,719
enforce our federal civil rights laws and state civil rights laws.

771
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,960
But now there are Now there's an ADF, and now

772
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,159
you know, there's foundations like the Foundation. Steve's talking about

773
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:24,480
having a meeting today at Jim Krantz to those nonprofits,

774
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:27,199
and they do good works. If you wanted to do

775
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,519
good for your career, you could do that. You don't

776
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,320
have to be a young lawyer. I want to make

777
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,519
this very clear. Unlike my predecessors who really put a

778
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:39,599
premium on hiring young people, I've offered jobs to lawyers

779
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,800
at the end of their careers, lawyers who made their millions,

780
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,719
Lawyers who want to end their careers by doing some

781
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,880
good for their country. Some fellow members of the Republican

782
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,920
National Committee, one of my fellow colleagues in the RNC,

783
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,280
this is going to be his last job in his career.

784
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,800
He could have wound down or sold a law firm

785
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,119
and came and joined us. And he's doing what he

786
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:02,480
calls the reverse Sherman March. He is shutting down consent

787
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:06,519
decrease from the nineteen seventies and nineteen sixties all over

788
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,400
the South, we have school districts under consent decrease where

789
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,320
that everyone is dead who did the discrimination, and yet

790
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,320
there's still some lawyer getting paid to monitor the school district.

791
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,079
That's nonsense, and we're stopping it. He's overjoyed every time

792
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,199
he comes into my office. He's like our meet. We

793
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,840
filed another motion to dismiss and a stipulation on a

794
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,960
consent decree. So I would say, secondly, setting aside this context,

795
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,079
the days of someone joining a law firm at the

796
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:38,519
beginning of their career and then having the Cravath march

797
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:40,880
when they die at the end of their career are over.

798
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,079
People hop around like free agents all day long. I

799
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,320
was at four major law firms before I started my

800
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,840
own in New York, London, Silicon Valley, and San Francisco.

801
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,199
And people are free agents. So I would encourage people

802
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:55,719
to come get the skills to be a plaintiff's lawyer

803
00:40:56,679 --> 00:41:00,920
in civil rights litigation. That includes election litigation, it includes

804
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,280
dei litigation, it includes this gender discrimination and gender mutilation litigation,

805
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,599
and others. You can make a lot of money doing that.

806
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: You know.

807
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 7: I was a plane of s lawyer for the last

808
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,440
twenty years. In my private practice, and it was a

809
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:17,559
satisfying and successful career. I started my firm with two

810
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:19,480
people and now they're forty people at my law firm.

811
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,039
So I built up business doing good and every day

812
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:23,760
I get up in the morning and I do good

813
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,880
all day and then I go to bed. I don't

814
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,119
feel guilty about what I did, and I couldn't feel

815
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:28,760
that way when I was in big law, you know,

816
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:34,280
representing to me, you know, the polluters, the sexual harassers,

817
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,119
the napalm manufacturers, like I wasn't satisfying for me. And

818
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:40,719
so you can be a lawyer and make money and

819
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,960
do good and have choices. And that's how I would

820
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,039
tell people to look at it is give yourself the

821
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:49,280
opportunity to pick up some new skills there is. I've

822
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,599
argued four cases in the federal Courts of Appeals as

823
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,960
the Assistant Attorney General, which is also very rare. I

824
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,480
don't know that my predecessors did one much less four,

825
00:41:57,559 --> 00:41:59,599
and I'm hoping to do a lot more. But there's

826
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,000
nothing more satisfying than standing up in front of a

827
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,480
federal court and saying I'm hard meat Dylan for the

828
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:07,559
United States, And you know, I encourage to come get

829
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,159
that experience. A career doesn't mean you have to spend

830
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:12,159
your whole career doing it. You can have a career

831
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:14,280
position at the DJ and leave after two years. That's

832
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,440
what the that's what people have often done, and they

833
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,119
may get trial experience. They get experience investigating hate crimes,

834
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,880
interviewing witnesses, protecting people from anti semitism, protecting people from

835
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,840
zoning discrimination, and all the other things that we do here,

836
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,039
and and election law. I mean, you know it's there.

837
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:33,920
These are transferable, valuable skills.

838
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:36,199
Speaker 3: Great, thank you, And you add something to add before

839
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:37,400
we let her go.

840
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,079
Speaker 2: We understand we're coming up against the time at which

841
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:41,800
he has to get back to the business of the country.

842
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: Well, well let me try and cheer her meat up

843
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,719
real quick. And you have the very last word for

844
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,440
we don't have to let you go. I understand the

845
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:50,960
frustration you and other people have finding people who can

846
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,719
go do these jobs. On the other hand, the conservative

847
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,119
legal movement, to me is so impressive these days, and

848
00:42:57,199 --> 00:42:59,280
but it's been the different mode. I mean, who wanted

849
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,840
to go to the civil division before you got there? Right,

850
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:04,679
So there was your law firm, right of course, sort

851
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,639
of a private civil Rights Organization, our friends at consaboy

852
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,679
McCarthy that I know, you know, Phil Hamburger's new Civil

853
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,800
Liberties Alliance, and it's gon take a while, but I

854
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,559
think we should take heart that the talent is there

855
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:20,320
in depth, and that the frontiers of activism on the

856
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,960
side of the true and the right are been advancing

857
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,760
on many fronts. I mean, Bloom, we mentioned already once, right,

858
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,880
and now you're there. And I know, I know you're like,

859
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,079
you're fighting surrounded and you don't have enough troops. But

860
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,559
I say take heart, Peter Harmeet. I think we're going

861
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:34,880
to win.

862
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, Harma, I would just ask you one thing. Please,

863
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,960
don't be such a shrinking violet, you know.

864
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,599
Speaker 5: Right, stand up for yourself, harmony, will you once in

865
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:45,000
a while?

866
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,079
Speaker 3: Well, what's asure?

867
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: What a pleasure?

868
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 7: One thing I didn't expect when I took this job

869
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,000
is to see my name drag through the mud viciously

870
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,519
by a federal judge of Chaps week. That was pretty

871
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,960
bad thirty six hours until another federal judge stepped in

872
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:03,519
and bench slapped the other two. But I mean, this

873
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:05,280
is this was not a thing. In law school. Everyone

874
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,440
was very polite. Everyone wanted to be a federal judge,

875
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,039
and when I got up close to it, I was like,

876
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,119
I don't think I want to do this, but the

877
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,239
lack of decorum from the bench is something new and alarming,

878
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,480
and I think it's not a fund that we see.

879
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:19,239
Because I can't fight back.

880
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:19,639
Speaker 1: I have to go.

881
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 7: I have to go in front of these judges again

882
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:24,400
and again and again. So I can't say. I can't

883
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,599
say nan yah nah, call them names, but they can

884
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:29,639
do that to me. It's just it's wrong. And I

885
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,719
hope that the court step in indisciplinement of what is

886
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,480
happening here in our court's writing. Anyway, that was my

887
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:36,880
extraneous thought.

888
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: Write it down for the inevitable book and we'll be

889
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,800
sure to buy it and enjoy our me deal. And

890
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,760
thanks so much for joining us today. It's been a pleasure,

891
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,239
and we hope to speak to you again in the future.

892
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: And good luck.

893
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me.

894
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,639
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, ar meet.

895
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: Thanks. You know.

896
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 2: It's entirely possible that somebody out there is going to

897
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,400
want to say happy Holidays to somebody or maybe even

898
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,000
Merry Christmas.

899
00:44:59,039 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 3: Will they be brought up.

900
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: In judge just by hr for using alienating language during

901
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,159
this Christmas season.

902
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,679
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, during this holiday season.

903
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's something that actually the uh

904
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:11,559
you know, the Harmat's division would get to around to

905
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:12,119
talking about.

906
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 3: But it is something you think about, right, I mean.

907
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: I had a little Christmas tree in my desk back

908
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,239
at the office when I used to work at the

909
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:17,679
office in.

910
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: A previous life.

911
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: Nobody complained because really, frankly, it's not that big of

912
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,719
a deal. But the holidays are coming, Christmas is coming,

913
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:28,159
and that is a big deal, especially if you're looking

914
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:29,480
around and saying, oh, what am I going to get

915
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:30,199
everybody this year?

916
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 3: What am I going to do?

917
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,199
Speaker 2: I've been married for thirty eight years. Is no possible

918
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,880
thing I can possibly think of that I miss. Well, listen,

919
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,719
when the holidays get busy and a little overwhelming, what

920
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,280
is the gift that you'd like to give your loved

921
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,599
ones the most? And that's right, the serenity, the gift

922
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:49,800
of slowing down and feeling cozy and making home your

923
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,719
sanctuary to write out those bitter winter months to come.

924
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,440
That's exactly what Cozy Earth delivers. Now, if Charles was here,

925
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,440
Charles C. W. Cook, Charlie, he tell you all about

926
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,840
the sheets. And one of these days, I think he's

927
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,559
going to have to drag his wife in to tell

928
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,239
you why exactly she likes them, Because it's being filtered

929
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,159
through Charlie, and we know that probably there's a feminine

930
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,679
element to denning and to the comforts and durability and

931
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,199
washability and pleasure of these sheets. The Charles is not

932
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,119
able to completely accurately connote. But take it from him,

933
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:22,880
he loves them, not just because his wife does. And

934
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,440
everybody frankly uses Cozy Earth sheets says the same. And

935
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,079
here's how you can tell Cozier they stand by their quality.

936
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,000
The blankets come with a one hundred night sleep trial

937
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,119
and a ten year warranty. And I don't think they

938
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,199
do that if people were saying after ninety nine nights,

939
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,599
get really these No, they're confident, they stand behind their work.

940
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:45,400
And they've got a peril too, did I mention a peril?

941
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:49,719
They have a peril also backed by a lifetime guarantee.

942
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,440
Now they mean it when they say it's made to last. Now,

943
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:55,679
Black Friday, do you want to go to the stores

944
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:56,440
and fight with the people?

945
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 3: No, you do not.

946
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: Black Friday, however, has come early to COO's the Earth

947
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,800
and right now you can stack our code Ricochet on

948
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,840
top of their safe the site white sale. You got that,

949
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,000
they're having a site white sale. Our code on top

950
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,159
of that will give you up to forty percent off

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before we go, lots of stuff that we haven't talked about,

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Actually we have. Oh, I can't get interested in the

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Epstein story. I don't know why you think that somehow

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this would peak all the purient interest and memories of

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Bill Clinton and address with the red shoes and a

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painting in the foyer.

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Speaker 3: But you know, where do you stand on this?

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Speaker 6: I'll be really interested to hear what do you guys.

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Speaker 3: Make of it? I can't that's a great way at dodge.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, no, I am sort of interested in it,

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But I'm interested in the part that nobody else seems

983
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to be interested in, which is a puzzle to me,

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just as the whole thing is a puzzle to you, James.

985
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In as much as the sex stuff, I don't find

986
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that particularly interesting on what seems to me the invincible

987
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grounds that Donald Trump has been a major figure in

988
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this country for a decade, and if there were stuff

989
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in those files to use against him, it surely would

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have leaked long before now, And in fact, what has

991
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leaked has rebounded against leading Democrats, most notably Larry Summers,

992
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who now has been forced to leave harst public life.

993
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Yes exactly, Well, first he withdrew from public life, and

994
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now he's announced that somebody else is going to finish

995
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the last three lectures of his core. He's even been

996
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removed from teaching at Harvard, which is I mean, as

997
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Harvard things go, that's quite a blow.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So that's the sex stuff.

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Speaker 5: What nobody seems interested to me, and what still makes

1000
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absolutely no sense is the money side. This guy started

1001
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out as a high school math teacher and ended up

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living in the biggest private residence on the island of Manhattan,

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with a private island in the Caribbean and a big

1004
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ranch I think in nim Where did this money come from?

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That's what I haven't seen. Honestly, Even journalists don't seem

1006
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I say, even journalists, if there are were people who

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are real journalists left. Nobody seems to be digging into

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exactly what this guy did to end up a very

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very rich man. So that puzzles me, but it doesn't

1010
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seem to be the story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's Jay Gatsby, right, There was always that mystery Gatsby,

1012
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:38,920
you would do these parties, right, that's kind of an

1013
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,119
insult of Fitzgerald and Gatsby, I think in this case.

1014
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But look, I can't resist some James Lilac's bait and

1015
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say this scene. You'll see why. This whole business reminds

1016
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me of the scene in the Wrath of Khan where

1017
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Kirk taunts Khan by saying, like a bad marksman, you

1018
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keep missing the target. Because this reminds me of a

1019
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,519
rerun of Me Too. Remember the whole Me Too business

1020
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precipitated to be sure by Harvey Weinstein's grotesque grease, if

1021
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that's a word, but pretty clearly the left grabbed onto

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it and ran to it, hoping it was going to

1023
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take down Orange, the bad Orange Man, because of what

1024
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he'd said and you know about grabbing parts of anatomy.

1025
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And instead it took down liberal after liberal in the

1026
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media and in politics. You know, it ended this Charlie Rose,

1027
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Charlie Rose and Al franken Hey got kicked out of

1028
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the Senate. And so in other words, it mowed down

1029
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a ton of liberals and Democrats. And now all of

1030
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a sudden, the Epstein files they think are going to

1031
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:36,559
bring down Trump instead you mentioned it's already taken one scalp.

1032
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Hilarry Summers. By the way, I found it amusing that

1033
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he used the same language that the Royal the House

1034
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of Windsor used in England about Prince Andrew's going to

1035
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step back from his royal duties. Yes, Larry Summers is

1036
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going to step back from his So a whole lot

1037
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of stepping back on here. And you know, I don't

1038
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know if Trump there's a genius to a method or

1039
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,239
a genius to his madness. It's not really madness. But

1040
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the point is I won't be surprised that this is

1041
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another boomerang that comes back and hits Democrats squarely in ahead,

1042
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because that's certainly what all the circumstantial evidence looks like.

1043
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Speaker 2: Well, yes, the walls are closing in. I think I

1044
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saw that actually at the other day. This is going

1045
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to be the one that does it. And I mean

1046
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anybody who was a conservative during the Clinton years remembers

1047
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:28,400
that every six or seven months or so, there was

1048
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something that was going to put this guy away. If

1049
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,239
it wasn't Whitewater, if it wasn't Vince Foster, if it

1050
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,679
wasn't this, it wasn't that the walls were always closing

1051
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,719
in on Bill Clinton. He was just I was this

1052
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,000
closed and finally being revealed to all, and it never happened.

1053
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,960
And when you see it happening to the other side,

1054
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,679
you can say, I've been there, brother, I know exactly

1055
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,760
how it feels. The walls are not closing in. When

1056
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,639
I look at Reddit, for example, which is coded way

1057
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,960
to the sort of bubble left, very much blue sky,

1058
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:57,320
very much of their own creation. There's always mega panic,

1059
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:01,239
mega panics, Trump furious Mega panics, and Trump is furious

1060
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,119
over Mega Panics.

1061
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Speaker 3: And it's all.

1062
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Speaker 2: Because apparently the Mega movement and conservatives in general have

1063
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fled from Donald Trump because of the Epstein thing and

1064
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:11,400
his positions on it.

1065
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Speaker 3: And I look at these people and I say, I

1066
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:13,760
don't know anybody who cares about that.

1067
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know anybody who doesn't think that

1068
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,599
Donald Trump was it was a bit of a you know,

1069
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,119
Studio fifty four kind of guy, maybe back in the seventies,

1070
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part about doing coke and drinking.

1071
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Speaker 3: It's, you know, straight arrow that that way.

1072
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Speaker 2: I think anybody would be surprised of the libertine nature

1073
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:30,199
of the life that they live the guy's on the

1074
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,840
cover of playbook for ifan sakes. So no, there's no

1075
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,119
mega panic, and there's no walls closing in, and there's

1076
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:36,960
no fleeing in the rest of it. It just kind

1077
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,039
of is a dull fud, maybe wrong. The people who

1078
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:43,639
are really interested in this are the people who have

1079
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,199
a close connection to those who believe that a huge

1080
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pedophile ring runs through Washington or River of Adrenochrome that

1081
00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:52,679
goes back to the Pizza Gate thing, and you know

1082
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:53,360
all the rest of it.

1083
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Speaker 3: They're very much invested in this.

1084
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, how did Epstein get its money by,

1085
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,840
you know, by arranging things. I just think he was

1086
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a great arranger in an era that had a disgustingly

1087
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:14,320
curdled sort of sexual politics that came from the the

1088
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,960
you know, the inevitable result of the sexual revolution is

1089
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that worked its way from hippies into the bourgeois.

1090
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Speaker 3: Clett I go on, well, you know, I can, if.

1091
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,039
Speaker 1: I were an irresponsible person, I could make up a

1092
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:28,519
unified field theory that says Epstein got his money by

1093
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arranging the cocaine shipments to the Mina airport and airport.

1094
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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

1095
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:35,159
Speaker 1: That would bring us we'll circle back to the glory

1096
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days of the Clinton scandals.

1097
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Speaker 2: There you go, where his brother arranged for the assassination

1098
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of the two youth who were found by the railroad tracks.

1099
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Speaker 3: I get it absolutely. I was there too. Thank you

1100
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David Brooks for that hard hitting stuff.

1101
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Speaker 2: But you know, one of the more interesting things that

1102
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I've seen in the last couple of days is that

1103
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Epstein files revealed that Epstein hated Donald Trump and thought

1104
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he was a bad man. And they're holding this up

1105
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:00,239
like proof of something like, I mean, like, the guy

1106
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,480
who's the worst man in the world thought that this

1107
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:03,599
guy was a bad guy.

1108
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 3: What does that necessarily toll?

1109
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: That mean that he's lower on the ranks, or he

1110
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,920
didn't like him because he was trying, he was indifferent

1111
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to him and his blandishments and the rest of it.

1112
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I don't think the twenty twenty six elections will will

1113
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,800
revolve around this. I do know, however, that unless you

1114
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,639
guys have something sparkling and bright to add, we best

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get out and leave these people in a nice, tight

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one hour podcast. Peter, anything you'd like to tell us

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00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,840
about your long absence and where you've been and what

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you've done.

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Speaker 5: I've been minding my p's and q's. James, I have

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nothing entertaining to say about that.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, oh I've been informed. Of course there was

1122
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David Brock, now David Brooks.

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Speaker 3: Who am I thinking of? I'm thinking of James Brooks.

1124
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Speaker 1: The Simpsons said they all met one to get it right.

1125
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Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, sorry, I don't have coffee or too much.

1126
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And Stephen, you've got Thanksgiving coming up as well. We

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