WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:02.839 I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson 2 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:08.000 Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen Haiti. We've been having 3 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:13.359 a fascinating conversation about the state of Palestinian people in Dagaza. 4 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:17.399 Our very special guest has been a doctor Ania Decock, 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:21.440 Head of Policy and Laison Unit with the United Nations 6 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:26.600 Population Fund Humanitarian Office. Doctor decc provides UNFPA country and 7 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:30.879 regional offices with advice on policy coordination and technical support 8 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:37.280 related to humanitarian preparedness, emergency response, disaster, risk reduction, recovery 9 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:41.039 and resilience. Her goal and role is to advance the 10 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:45.000 gender equality, to promote sexual and reproductive health and rights, 11 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:50.119 including minstrel health, mental health and psychosocial support for book 12 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:54.880 and respond to gender based violence issues in humanitarian settings. 13 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:57.799 Doctor Decock, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 14 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:01.039 Thank you, Thank you, Jesse. I'm so glad to be 15 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:01.920 with you today. 16 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:04.719 You know, in the first hour we talked about some 17 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:08.840 of the difficulties of pregnancies within the Gaza and the 18 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.920 circumstances under which children are born into the world. Under 19 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:17.480 those particular circumstances, I can only imagine that the ability 20 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:21.760 to deliver mental health services to women who are struggling 21 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:26.359 with difficult pregnancies and the trauma of war itself must 22 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:29.680 be its own unique challenge. I can imagine in this 23 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:33.599 moment that mental health services are probably the very last 24 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.120 available services given the urgent need for other critical care 25 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:43.239 in the in the maternal process. Doctor de Coca, Yeah, you. 26 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:45.400 Know the reality of the matter. 27 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.959 Yes, mental health and psychosocial support has been needed in 28 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.280 Gaza for many years. There has been a lot of 29 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.920 work on mental health and psycho social support because of 30 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.840 you know, this is a generational trauma. This is not 31 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:06.239 just yesterday trauma. It's not twenty twenty three trauma. It's 32 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:09.439 a trauma since nineteen forty eight going onward. 33 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:11.599 So it's a generational trauma. 34 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:15.639 We talk about it really, you know, like you are 35 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:19.639 talking about people who are born in refugee camps and 36 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.719 you know they have to survive on a daily basis 37 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:26.719 and really be able to. 38 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:30.159 Grow and rebuild. 39 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:36.840 And have families. So it's not an easy situation. Currently, 40 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:41.759 mental health is number one needed. Plus you know, maternal 41 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:45.080 health is very needed. Everything is needed at the moment, 42 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.800 you know, like you are talking about also, you know, 43 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:52.039 bad water and sanitation situation where a lot of. 44 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.439 Water born diseases. 45 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:02.879 Are happening and infections because of lack of sanitation, and 46 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:06.680 these are the situation that a lot of the children, 47 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:09.960 the newborns are facing. You know, if you don't have 48 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:13.520 clean water, what are you going? And it's the only 49 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:17.159 water that you could have is the seawater. Otherwise, you know, 50 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:21.479 there is no other water coming like clean water into Gaza. 51 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:26.199 So it's very difficult to like to truly understand that 52 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:30.280 when you don't have electricity, you don't have water, you 53 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:37.520 don't have you know, university schools, medical health care, attacks 54 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:41.560 mentally everybody, you know what I mean. It's like eighty 55 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:46.240 percent of mental health issues is daily life issues. If 56 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:51.039 you improve the situation, a lot of people could improve. 57 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:55.319 But if doesn't happen, then these people are going to 58 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:56.159 really suffer. 59 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.479 Postraumatic syndrome. You know a lot of children. 60 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:04.719 Then sleep, you know, they have nightmares, bedwetting, you know, 61 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:08.159 you name it. A lot of women have you know 62 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:12.599 a lot of depressions that we are dealing with a 63 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:17.639 lot of stress and depression and so a lot of 64 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.800 people are suffering. Elderly there is a lot of children 65 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:25.560 who have been an accompanied at the moment because their 66 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.839 family members have died and there's nobody else to take 67 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:30.519 care of them. 68 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.600 Plus they might be also injured on top of that. 69 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:36.560 So I think, you know, this is not the first 70 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.160 time that there is you know, these type of attacks. 71 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.920 Twenty eighteen, there was you know, another one in two 72 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:47.920 thousand and nine, there was several of these type of 73 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:52.040 situations where Gaza was attacked and people were bombed in 74 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:57.519 their houses and many families actually have have just been 75 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:01.519 whipped out of the Silver history. They are not there 76 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:04.600 anymore because they have just died. You know, we are 77 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.800 talking about more than seventy one thousand that have died 78 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:12.519 like because of the war, but we are not talking 79 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:18.519 about the numbers that are dying because of the unhealthy 80 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:22.240 conditions that they are living in. So that's another thing 81 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.319 that we really need to understand that, you know, people 82 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:29.480 are dying also from infections, people are dying from hypothermia, 83 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.519 People are dying from different things because of the conditions 84 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:34.000 that they. 85 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:34.680 Are living in. 86 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.040 So you are not talking about only the seventy one 87 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:42.040 thousand that were wounded and died, you know, like the 88 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.959 seventy one died because of you know, shrapnels, bombs and 89 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:50.360 all of that. But we also are talking about people 90 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:54.279 who are dying because there is no medical care available 91 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:54.920 at the moment. 92 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.319 To that, I know that we're going to be coming 93 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:59.720 forward in about thirty seconds. And so that's that's how 94 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:01.480 we saying that we have a break here on Kibi 95 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.279 only top fifteen to eighty. But who speaks for the 96 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:05.240 people of the Gaza. 97 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.560 Uh, it's again, you know what I mean, nobody is 98 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:13.680 listening to the people of Gaza. The people of Gaza 99 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:17.519 who basically were on social media, you know what, they 100 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:20.519 were speaking about what is happening to them on a 101 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:24.040 daily basis. The UN is speaking about what is happening 102 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:27.160 on a daily basis. The civil society, you know, the 103 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:31.680 international civil society, who have been witnessing, who have actually 104 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:36.439 been on the ground in Gaza. They are witnessing and 105 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.759 they are talking about what is happening to the Gaza people. 106 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.000 I think the UN has spoken so many times about 107 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:46.759 the situation in Gaza, but nobody is listening at the moment. 108 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:48.720 Also, Israel has spared. 109 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.240 A lot of the you like, not only the you 110 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:56.279 An agency, but the International Jeels also from non governmental organization. 111 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:00.360 Doctor we come forward will have more discussions on editions 112 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:02.720 of the Palestindians in the Gaza and in the West Bank. 113 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.079 I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Listen Jesse Jackson Junior Show on 114 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.000 Cabulity Talk fifteen eighty more when we come forward. Jesse 115 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:09.639 Jackson Junior. Welcome Ford to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 116 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:14.959 Before joining the United Nations, doctor Ania Decock in June 117 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.240 of two thousand and four was the Director of Relief 118 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:20.680 and Development Programs with International Medical Corps. She managed and 119 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:25.319 developed technical aspect of service delivery programming to improve quality 120 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:29.560 of care within IMC global programs and relief and development 121 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:34.959 settings throughout Africa, Central Asia, the Middle East, Southeast Asia. 122 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.639 She's also worked as technical advisor for the Reproductive Health 123 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.639 in Conflict Consort. Doctor Deacock, Welcome forward to the Jesse 124 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.519 Jackson Juniors. Will thank you, Jesse, and I know that 125 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.120 we're in a little bit of a challenge with the 126 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:52.920 siren that's in the background. I can understand that. 127 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:55.319 New York. 128 00:07:57.920 --> 00:07:59.680 So I did want to ask you and this is 129 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:01.879 our final segment, and I'm so grateful that you were 130 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:06.600 able to stay with us from from your perspective, other 131 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:10.279 than the United Nations, are there other partners around the 132 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:14.319 world that are stepping up to address the humanitarian crisis 133 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:17.160 that exists in the Gaza and in the West Bank? 134 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:19.560 Thank you. 135 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:25.040 Yes, there are a lot of international non governmental organization 136 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:30.600 that has worked in Palestine, in Gaza, West Bank and 137 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:32.759 Isjerus and for many. 138 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:36.320 Years, for many decades. I can name few of them. 139 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:44.360 Care International International Rescue Committee, International Medical Core Project, Hope, 140 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:47.200 you know, there are OXFAM. 141 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.000 Catholic Relief Services. All of them are you know, are 142 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:52.720 part and. 143 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:57.840 Parcel of the international community that existed and still exists 144 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:04.360 in Palestine. Although recently, you know, there was an order 145 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:11.080 to really uh not provide authorization for international uh non 146 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:15.600 governmental organization to work in in in Palestine, in the 147 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:20.080 West Bank and in Gaza and is Jerusalem. So this 148 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.039 is something that was you know, like sort of a 149 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:29.120 band of international organization from really working and supporting the 150 00:09:29.159 --> 00:09:36.960 Palestinian community to really survive the situation that they are 151 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:40.399 living under at the moment. So it's very important that 152 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:47.720 the international community continued to be present, especially like the 153 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:52.840 non governmental organization to be present and be able to 154 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.759 see what's going on and be also the eyes and 155 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:02.360 ears for the Palestinian people well in Galza, West Bank 156 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:06.519 and Jerusalem. So and it's Jerusalem. These are still you know, 157 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:10.320 is Jerusalem. Although it was annex by by Israel, it's 158 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:18.159 still you know, I mean, not considered an Israeli territory 159 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:23.679 by international community. It's still contested area and never like 160 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:27.600 the issue of Jerusalem, have never been resolved at all. 161 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:30.320 So I think this is very very. 162 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.639 Important issue that still people don't you know, understand that 163 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:39.279 there are a Palestinian community in Jerusalem that has at 164 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:44.840 the moment not a lot of support also from the 165 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:50.320 international community, if these organizations stop being there and active 166 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.639 in providing support. So I think we need the international 167 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.519 community to continue being in Galza, West Bank and Jerusalem. 168 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:00.519 I'd like to take this opportunity to shared just a 169 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:02.960 little bit of my family's history in this conflict. My 170 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:06.440 mother was a close and dear friend of the late 171 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:11.960 Anhwar Sadata, the late president of Egypt, and even when 172 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:16.279 I was a member of Congress, I spent number of 173 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:23.279 trips meeting with Hosny and Mubarak. The success to anwar 174 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:27.799 Sadat in Egypt and worked very closely with the Foreign 175 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:32.919 Operations Committee, the House Appropriations Committee with their security services 176 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.279 as well. But when my mother met with Yasser Arafat 177 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.240 in the late seventies, shared with her that he was 178 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:46.799 willing to talk with the Israetans. My mother returned to 179 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:49.320 the United States, she met with her close and dear 180 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:52.159 friend whom she had the privilege of marching with in 181 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:57.039 the late sixties, Andrew Young, whom Jimmy Carter had appointed 182 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:01.679 to the UN Security Council as Ambassador to the United Nations. 183 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:06.679 During this particular cycle he was President of the Security Council. 184 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.000 He met with my mother and my mother shared with 185 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.639 him her good friend Andy. She said, Andy, listen, you 186 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.879 need to talk to the Palestinians because they're willing to 187 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.480 talk with the Israelis. Andy Young, as President of the 188 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.919 Security Council, clearly within his rights as President of the 189 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:30.519 Security Council, had a private meeting with Palestinian leadership, and 190 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:38.919 he was fired by President Jimmy Carter for having that meeting. 191 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:43.240 And the firing of Andy Young led to a rift 192 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:48.080 between African Americans and Jewish people. That is a fact 193 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:52.559 even until this day that the most prominent African American, 194 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:57.399 the most promising disciple of Martin Luther King Junior, who 195 00:12:57.399 --> 00:12:59.759 would later of course go on to become a Congressman, 196 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:03.320 and the mayor of Indiana could be fired by the 197 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:07.240 former I'm sorry, the mayor of Atlanta, by the former 198 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:15.080 Governor of Georgia in the capacity as President of the 199 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:20.159 United Nations. And so African Americans have directly and indirectly 200 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:23.240 been involved in the conflict for eight number of years. 201 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:26.399 I as a member of Congress to work with Ariel Charon. 202 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:30.159 I also worked with Benjamin nat in Yahoo. I spent 203 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:32.960 a significant amount of time in the West Bank with 204 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:41.480 Saab Erakat as well as other Palestinian leadership at chief 205 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.639 negotiators on behalf of the two state solution. And so 206 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:51.320 these aren't just policy prescriptions. So these are between I 207 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:55.799 know myself, but certainly Anaya and p l DA Silva. 208 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.559 We are long standing negotiators for peace in the region. 209 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:04.000 That isn't just a function of where do you stand 210 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:07.039 on this? Where do you stand on that? No, we've 211 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.600 been there for forty years and longer. We've been part 212 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.600 of a broad discussion and some of that discussion, of 213 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:16.840 course here domestically in the United States in the end 214 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:23.200 would lead to relationship building, growth, and even challenges between 215 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:27.240 Blacks and Jewish people here in the United States, laying 216 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:32.159 the foundation for you know, better and broader relationships in 217 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.279 the tradition of Martin Luther King Junior and Abraham and 218 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.840 Abraham Heschel, Rabbi Abraham Heschel who marked with doctor King 219 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:42.799 in the Deep South. And so there is a kinship 220 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:46.240 that we have with both the global jewelry in that 221 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:50.000 we both exited a slave system. Of course, they exited 222 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.320 a faronic slave system. Let my people go, and we 223 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:55.320 exited a slave system too. Amend the Constitution of the 224 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.000 United States because these states wouldn't let us out of 225 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.159 the peculiar institution of slavery. We share so much in common, 226 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.039 but we also share in the self determination and the 227 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:09.799 rights of Palestinian people to be able to live free, 228 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.200 to have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I 229 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:17.159 felt compelled to share that little bit of history Ania, 230 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:19.960 because it is who we are. It is it is 231 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:23.840 ingrained in who we are. The Palesinian babies and mothers 232 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:26.279 should not be suffering at this hour. Neil, let me 233 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:28.919 ask you this question before we before we shut down 234 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.120 our program. We have about six minutes remaining with you 235 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:35.600 on the program, and we close at the hearts. There's 236 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:38.519 a hard stop at the thirty. Can you share with 237 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:42.679 us the hope that you have for Palestinian people in 238 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.120 the next let's say, five minutes. 239 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:50.440 Yes, you know, I think every Palestinian across the globe, 240 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:54.159 you know, and I'm talking about you know, Palestinians who 241 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:57.559 are currently in Gaza, Palestinian who are currently in the 242 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:01.840 West Bank, in Jerusalem, and the refuge camps in Jordan, Lebanon, 243 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:06.679 and in refugee camps of Syria and in the Aspera. Okay, 244 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:11.559 we are talking about you know, the refugees, like five 245 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:18.200 point nine million refugees, Palestinian refugees in in the the Aspera. 246 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.879 Uh and and and they all, you know. 247 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:25.279 I mean, of course the numbers is more than that 248 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:32.120 across the globe. But I think everybody wants peace, They 249 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:39.480 want self determination. They want also the ability to to 250 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:43.080 have the freedom to decide for themselves and not anybody 251 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:44.519 deciding on their behalf. 252 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:46.519 I think that's very important. 253 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:51.759 And and also you know, like blaming the Palestinian for everything. 254 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:58.000 That happened to the Jewish people. This is absolutely ridiculous, 255 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.039 you know what I mean. It's it's not that the 256 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:04.559 Palestinian are the investigator of what happened to the Jews 257 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:09.559 during Second World War Two. We all know and we sympathize, 258 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:13.319 you know, I mean about what happened, and nobody wants 259 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.759 to see another Second World War two happening. And we 260 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:22.680 don't want to see another you know, genocide happening in 261 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:24.039 the world. 262 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.000 And I think what we want is also for us, 263 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:31.240 you know, I mean to be able to live freely, 264 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:36.559 return to our homes, be able to rebuild our lives, 265 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:41.119 or to be you know, some sort of preparation because 266 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.160 you know, like this is not going. 267 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:45.880 To go away. You know, these people are not going 268 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:46.599 to go away. 269 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:50.400 We are existing, We are we have a voice, and 270 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:54.160 we are people of this world. We have the same 271 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.400 rights as everybody. This is part of the You and 272 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:02.200 Human Rights shorter. We have the right to decide for 273 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:04.920 ourselves and at the moment, we are not being able 274 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.359 to decide for ourselves, and people are deciding on our 275 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:12.240 behalf on a daily basis. You know, the peace process, 276 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:14.400 you know, where is the peace process? 277 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:17.559 It's almost dead, Okay, it's almost dead. 278 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.799 Like the two state solutions, it never been you know, 279 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:24.559 I mean implemented, and it wasn't because of the Palestinians. 280 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:28.240 That wasn't implemented. So I think what we need, you. 281 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:32.720 Know, what I mean is really a comprehensive new narrative 282 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:38.400 of peace and reconciliation. As you have said, Jesse, you know, 283 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:42.519 we have to come together. There is no like this 284 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:46.559 is one land that basically has to have the two 285 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:47.720 people living together. 286 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:49.799 There is no other alternatives. 287 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:54.440 There is no other alternatives except to have peace over Nonie. 288 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:58.119 I think about the I really appreciate. I appreciate what 289 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:01.200 you said. You know, I think, I think the trauma 290 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:05.519 between both sides has been so great for so long 291 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:13.079 and so difficult that I even shared with Prime Minister 292 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:15.279 not in Yahoo, that I wish there were some way 293 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:19.960 that students could exchange, be exchanged on both sides of 294 00:19:20.000 --> 00:19:24.319 the border, so that a new generation could enjoy themselves 295 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:32.200 socially and culturally and engage not in a segregated, across 296 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:38.200 the fence relationship, but a spiritually integrated relationship. We play 297 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:41.640 soccer together, baseball together, and. 298 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:44.359 Have the same rights, you know, the same right. 299 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:48.599 But it may have to start incrementally with a generation 300 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:53.319 that isn't as hardened as some of the professionals and 301 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.640 some of the older generations that have experienced so much 302 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.000 trauma together. I'm just talking about there's so many things 303 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:03.440 that my son, when he talks to me at twenty 304 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.000 two years old, I'm like, what are you talking about? 305 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:08.960 And then he, you know, he calls his friends call 306 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:12.079 me unk. I'm like, unk, I'm not an old man. 307 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:14.519 I mean, when when did that? 308 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:16.640 When did That's hard? 309 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:20.519 So there's like a world that they understand that is 310 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:23.960 not our own, and I almost don't want to share 311 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:27.279 with them the mistakes that we've made when they are 312 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:30.680 a lot less wed to the idea of the way 313 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.079 their parents felt or thought. They've gone to school with 314 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:39.559 Jewish students, They've gone to school with Palestinians and Arab Americans, 315 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:42.559 They've they're a lot less hung up on some of 316 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.319 the stuff that our parents are hung up on. And 317 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:48.720 I wish there were this environment where there were trust 318 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:53.880 built amongst a generation of people who are willing to 319 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:57.440 build it in the space, in safe spaces. And I 320 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.400 don't know if that's all all the way possible, but Ane, 321 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:02.359 I'm so grateful that you spent this hour with us 322 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:04.519 on the Jesse jack hour and a half with us 323 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:05.920 on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 324 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:09.319 Thank you, thank you, and I am glad to be 325 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:10.759 with you all. Thank you. 326 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:12.720 I hope that you'll come back and join us some 327 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:18.359 other time. Yes, Doctor Hannia, it's been our very special 328 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:19.839 guest for the last hour and a half. More on 329 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:21.640 the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. When we come forward on 330 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:25.160 K Billy Talking, Thank you. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome 331 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:27.839 forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. It's Wealthy Wednesdays 332 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:30.839 on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. And before I bring 333 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:35.000 up our next guest. In case you're wondering why your 334 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:39.599 text messages are not working, it's because Verizon is out 335 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:43.079 over large parts of the country. That's why your text 336 00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:45.200 messages are coming back. That's why your cell phone may 337 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.640 not be working. And you might be asking yourself, did 338 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:49.400 they receive my check or did they pay the bill 339 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:51.359 or did they withdraw the money from my account? No, 340 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:56.160 they bound And that's that's like to leave us naked 341 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:59.799 in the wintertime because we can't text, we can't call, 342 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.759 can't see what's going on in the world, including our 343 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.799 live news programming, and so I want to let you 344 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:10.279 know that's exactly what's happening with your phone. Verizon is 345 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:13.759 having a kind of power or system outage at this hour, 346 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:17.720 and I want to bring that to everyone's attention. Our 347 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:22.160 very special guest in this hour is Mike Worldwide pr 348 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.200 alum John Diggles, who serves as CEO and founder of 349 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:29.400 ash Shint Strategies. He's not here yet, but when he 350 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:33.440 does come, he will have already been introduced providing services 351 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:39.039 in digital transformation, corporate storytelling, employer brand strategy, marketing, or 352 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:43.240 clinical research and return on investment measurement. The agency's IP 353 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:49.440 uses proprietary communications algorithms combining online community insights with medical 354 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:56.839 professionals perspectives, patient observations, and market data to promote adoption telemedicine, 355 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:01.759 remote patient monitoring, and healthcare artificial intelligence, among other offerings. 356 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:04.160 When John Diggles comes onto the program, we're going to 357 00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:05.920 talk about a little bit of that, but a lot 358 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:07.759 more than that. John has one of the best and 359 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:13.119 brightest minds in the public relations space bar Nune, and 360 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:17.160 he's using and maximizing technology to get that done, but 361 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:20.279 I'm particularly honored in this hour, even though I don't 362 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:24.680 think she's turned up her microphone and roadcaster. The producer 363 00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:27.599 and creator of the Jesse Jackson Junior self Tina Town's 364 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:28.440 welcome forward to the show. 365 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:31.880 Oh Jesse, Oh Jesse. It's only Wednesday. What am I 366 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:32.839 doing here? 367 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:34.960 I know it's supposed to be fat meat Fridays, but 368 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:36.759 it can be fat meat. Wednesday's a lot of fat 369 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:38.200 meat in the last ninety minutes. 370 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:41.839 Though, Gina, I understand, Oh my god, there has been sure. 371 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:47.480 I'm not completely taken aback by the humanitarian crisis that's 372 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.160 taking place in that part of the world. But under 373 00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:52.599 the Trump regime, there's probably going to be a humanitarian 374 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.880 crisis taking place in almost every country in the world 375 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:59.359 if he has he has his say, because he's destabilizing, 376 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:05.920 as doctor Deacoq said, he's to stabilizing all of the 377 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:09.839 norms in systems, not only in South America, trying to 378 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:16.240 destabilize Nigeria, threatening Cuba and Colombia. Meeting today with the 379 00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:22.680 Foreign Minister and the Prime Minister of Greenland. And even 380 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:27.680 though the United States has provided significant security for the 381 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:31.079 State of Israel, by the way, which the state of 382 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:34.799 Israel does need, it does need to be secure. There 383 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.200 is now an open discussion about what the President of 384 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:42.039 the United States is committing himself to do in Iran. 385 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:46.200 In light of the more than twenty four hundred protesters 386 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:52.400 who have been killed or murdered by the regime. Many 387 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:57.200 have suggested that regime change in Iran would have a 388 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:01.480 profound impact on global stability, particularly in the Middle East, 389 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:06.000 because Iran is that kind of that kind of terror 390 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:11.039 state that sponsors terror in other parts of the world, 391 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:17.599 but also in friendly neighbors to Iran, other Arab countries 392 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:23.799 in the Middle East. And you know, good riddance. If 393 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:26.799 the democracy or the form of government that the people 394 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:30.359 ultimately choose in Iran is up for and by them, 395 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.119 if they're good with it, if they're good with the 396 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.880 preservation of rights for women, if they're good with the 397 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:40.839 preservation of human rights, good riddens. But the idea that genus, 398 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:47.480 some kind of ayatolah is over the system and his 399 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.720 religious values are being imposed on everybody, I might find 400 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:53.920 that deeply troubling. I always have found it deeply troubling. 401 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:57.519