Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson
Speaker 1: Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen Haiti. We've been having
Speaker 1: a fascinating conversation about the state of Palestinian people in Dagaza.
Speaker 1: Our very special guest has been a doctor Ania Decock,
Speaker 1: Head of Policy and Laison Unit with the United Nations
Speaker 1: Population Fund Humanitarian Office. Doctor decc provides UNFPA country and
Speaker 1: regional offices with advice on policy coordination and technical support
Speaker 1: related to humanitarian preparedness, emergency response, disaster, risk reduction, recovery
Speaker 1: and resilience. Her goal and role is to advance the
Speaker 1: gender equality, to promote sexual and reproductive health and rights,
Speaker 1: including minstrel health, mental health and psychosocial support for book
Speaker 1: and respond to gender based violence issues in humanitarian settings.
Speaker 1: Doctor Decock, welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Jesse. I'm so glad to be
Speaker 2: with you today.
Speaker 1: You know, in the first hour we talked about some
Speaker 1: of the difficulties of pregnancies within the Gaza and the
Speaker 1: circumstances under which children are born into the world. Under
Speaker 1: those particular circumstances, I can only imagine that the ability
Speaker 1: to deliver mental health services to women who are struggling
Speaker 1: with difficult pregnancies and the trauma of war itself must
Speaker 1: be its own unique challenge. I can imagine in this
Speaker 1: moment that mental health services are probably the very last
Speaker 1: available services given the urgent need for other critical care
Speaker 1: in the in the maternal process. Doctor de Coca, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know the reality of the matter.
Speaker 3: Yes, mental health and psychosocial support has been needed in
Speaker 3: Gaza for many years. There has been a lot of
Speaker 3: work on mental health and psycho social support because of
Speaker 3: you know, this is a generational trauma. This is not
Speaker 3: just yesterday trauma. It's not twenty twenty three trauma. It's
Speaker 3: a trauma since nineteen forty eight going onward.
Speaker 2: So it's a generational trauma.
Speaker 3: We talk about it really, you know, like you are
Speaker 3: talking about people who are born in refugee camps and
Speaker 3: you know they have to survive on a daily basis
Speaker 3: and really be able to.
Speaker 2: Grow and rebuild.
Speaker 3: And have families. So it's not an easy situation. Currently,
Speaker 3: mental health is number one needed. Plus you know, maternal
Speaker 3: health is very needed. Everything is needed at the moment,
Speaker 3: you know, like you are talking about also, you know,
Speaker 3: bad water and sanitation situation where a lot of.
Speaker 2: Water born diseases.
Speaker 3: Are happening and infections because of lack of sanitation, and
Speaker 3: these are the situation that a lot of the children,
Speaker 3: the newborns are facing. You know, if you don't have
Speaker 3: clean water, what are you going? And it's the only
Speaker 3: water that you could have is the seawater. Otherwise, you know,
Speaker 3: there is no other water coming like clean water into Gaza.
Speaker 3: So it's very difficult to like to truly understand that
Speaker 3: when you don't have electricity, you don't have water, you
Speaker 3: don't have you know, university schools, medical health care, attacks
Speaker 3: mentally everybody, you know what I mean. It's like eighty
Speaker 3: percent of mental health issues is daily life issues. If
Speaker 3: you improve the situation, a lot of people could improve.
Speaker 3: But if doesn't happen, then these people are going to
Speaker 3: really suffer.
Speaker 2: Postraumatic syndrome. You know a lot of children.
Speaker 3: Then sleep, you know, they have nightmares, bedwetting, you know,
Speaker 3: you name it. A lot of women have you know
Speaker 3: a lot of depressions that we are dealing with a
Speaker 3: lot of stress and depression and so a lot of
Speaker 3: people are suffering. Elderly there is a lot of children
Speaker 3: who have been an accompanied at the moment because their
Speaker 3: family members have died and there's nobody else to take
Speaker 3: care of them.
Speaker 2: Plus they might be also injured on top of that.
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, this is not the first
Speaker 3: time that there is you know, these type of attacks.
Speaker 3: Twenty eighteen, there was you know, another one in two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, there was several of these type of
Speaker 3: situations where Gaza was attacked and people were bombed in
Speaker 3: their houses and many families actually have have just been
Speaker 3: whipped out of the Silver history. They are not there
Speaker 3: anymore because they have just died. You know, we are
Speaker 3: talking about more than seventy one thousand that have died
Speaker 3: like because of the war, but we are not talking
Speaker 3: about the numbers that are dying because of the unhealthy
Speaker 3: conditions that they are living in. So that's another thing
Speaker 3: that we really need to understand that, you know, people
Speaker 3: are dying also from infections, people are dying from hypothermia,
Speaker 3: People are dying from different things because of the conditions
Speaker 3: that they.
Speaker 2: Are living in.
Speaker 3: So you are not talking about only the seventy one
Speaker 3: thousand that were wounded and died, you know, like the
Speaker 3: seventy one died because of you know, shrapnels, bombs and
Speaker 3: all of that. But we also are talking about people
Speaker 3: who are dying because there is no medical care available
Speaker 3: at the moment.
Speaker 1: To that, I know that we're going to be coming
Speaker 1: forward in about thirty seconds. And so that's that's how
Speaker 1: we saying that we have a break here on Kibi
Speaker 1: only top fifteen to eighty. But who speaks for the
Speaker 1: people of the Gaza.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's again, you know what I mean, nobody is
Speaker 3: listening to the people of Gaza. The people of Gaza
Speaker 3: who basically were on social media, you know what, they
Speaker 3: were speaking about what is happening to them on a
Speaker 3: daily basis. The UN is speaking about what is happening
Speaker 3: on a daily basis. The civil society, you know, the
Speaker 3: international civil society, who have been witnessing, who have actually
Speaker 3: been on the ground in Gaza. They are witnessing and
Speaker 3: they are talking about what is happening to the Gaza people.
Speaker 3: I think the UN has spoken so many times about
Speaker 3: the situation in Gaza, but nobody is listening at the moment.
Speaker 2: Also, Israel has spared.
Speaker 3: A lot of the you like, not only the you
Speaker 3: An agency, but the International Jeels also from non governmental organization.
Speaker 1: Doctor we come forward will have more discussions on editions
Speaker 1: of the Palestindians in the Gaza and in the West Bank.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Listen Jesse Jackson Junior Show on
Speaker 1: Cabulity Talk fifteen eighty more when we come forward. Jesse
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior. Welcome Ford to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: Before joining the United Nations, doctor Ania Decock in June
Speaker 1: of two thousand and four was the Director of Relief
Speaker 1: and Development Programs with International Medical Corps. She managed and
Speaker 1: developed technical aspect of service delivery programming to improve quality
Speaker 1: of care within IMC global programs and relief and development
Speaker 1: settings throughout Africa, Central Asia, the Middle East, Southeast Asia.
Speaker 1: She's also worked as technical advisor for the Reproductive Health
Speaker 1: in Conflict Consort. Doctor Deacock, Welcome forward to the Jesse
Speaker 1: Jackson Juniors. Will thank you, Jesse, and I know that
Speaker 1: we're in a little bit of a challenge with the
Speaker 1: siren that's in the background. I can understand that.
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: So I did want to ask you and this is
Speaker 1: our final segment, and I'm so grateful that you were
Speaker 1: able to stay with us from from your perspective, other
Speaker 1: than the United Nations, are there other partners around the
Speaker 1: world that are stepping up to address the humanitarian crisis
Speaker 1: that exists in the Gaza and in the West Bank?
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yes, there are a lot of international non governmental organization
Speaker 3: that has worked in Palestine, in Gaza, West Bank and
Speaker 3: Isjerus and for many.
Speaker 2: Years, for many decades. I can name few of them.
Speaker 3: Care International International Rescue Committee, International Medical Core Project, Hope,
Speaker 3: you know, there are OXFAM.
Speaker 2: Catholic Relief Services. All of them are you know, are
Speaker 2: part and.
Speaker 3: Parcel of the international community that existed and still exists
Speaker 3: in Palestine. Although recently, you know, there was an order
Speaker 3: to really uh not provide authorization for international uh non
Speaker 3: governmental organization to work in in in Palestine, in the
Speaker 3: West Bank and in Gaza and is Jerusalem. So this
Speaker 3: is something that was you know, like sort of a
Speaker 3: band of international organization from really working and supporting the
Speaker 3: Palestinian community to really survive the situation that they are
Speaker 3: living under at the moment. So it's very important that
Speaker 3: the international community continued to be present, especially like the
Speaker 3: non governmental organization to be present and be able to
Speaker 3: see what's going on and be also the eyes and
Speaker 3: ears for the Palestinian people well in Galza, West Bank
Speaker 3: and Jerusalem. So and it's Jerusalem. These are still you know,
Speaker 3: is Jerusalem. Although it was annex by by Israel, it's
Speaker 3: still you know, I mean, not considered an Israeli territory
Speaker 3: by international community. It's still contested area and never like
Speaker 3: the issue of Jerusalem, have never been resolved at all.
Speaker 2: So I think this is very very.
Speaker 3: Important issue that still people don't you know, understand that
Speaker 3: there are a Palestinian community in Jerusalem that has at
Speaker 3: the moment not a lot of support also from the
Speaker 3: international community, if these organizations stop being there and active
Speaker 3: in providing support. So I think we need the international
Speaker 3: community to continue being in Galza, West Bank and Jerusalem.
Speaker 1: I'd like to take this opportunity to shared just a
Speaker 1: little bit of my family's history in this conflict. My
Speaker 1: mother was a close and dear friend of the late
Speaker 1: Anhwar Sadata, the late president of Egypt, and even when
Speaker 1: I was a member of Congress, I spent number of
Speaker 1: trips meeting with Hosny and Mubarak. The success to anwar
Speaker 1: Sadat in Egypt and worked very closely with the Foreign
Speaker 1: Operations Committee, the House Appropriations Committee with their security services
Speaker 1: as well. But when my mother met with Yasser Arafat
Speaker 1: in the late seventies, shared with her that he was
Speaker 1: willing to talk with the Israetans. My mother returned to
Speaker 1: the United States, she met with her close and dear
Speaker 1: friend whom she had the privilege of marching with in
Speaker 1: the late sixties, Andrew Young, whom Jimmy Carter had appointed
Speaker 1: to the UN Security Council as Ambassador to the United Nations.
Speaker 1: During this particular cycle he was President of the Security Council.
Speaker 1: He met with my mother and my mother shared with
Speaker 1: him her good friend Andy. She said, Andy, listen, you
Speaker 1: need to talk to the Palestinians because they're willing to
Speaker 1: talk with the Israelis. Andy Young, as President of the
Speaker 1: Security Council, clearly within his rights as President of the
Speaker 1: Security Council, had a private meeting with Palestinian leadership, and
Speaker 1: he was fired by President Jimmy Carter for having that meeting.
Speaker 1: And the firing of Andy Young led to a rift
Speaker 1: between African Americans and Jewish people. That is a fact
Speaker 1: even until this day that the most prominent African American,
Speaker 1: the most promising disciple of Martin Luther King Junior, who
Speaker 1: would later of course go on to become a Congressman,
Speaker 1: and the mayor of Indiana could be fired by the
Speaker 1: former I'm sorry, the mayor of Atlanta, by the former
Speaker 1: Governor of Georgia in the capacity as President of the
Speaker 1: United Nations. And so African Americans have directly and indirectly
Speaker 1: been involved in the conflict for eight number of years.
Speaker 1: I as a member of Congress to work with Ariel Charon.
Speaker 1: I also worked with Benjamin nat in Yahoo. I spent
Speaker 1: a significant amount of time in the West Bank with
Speaker 1: Saab Erakat as well as other Palestinian leadership at chief
Speaker 1: negotiators on behalf of the two state solution. And so
Speaker 1: these aren't just policy prescriptions. So these are between I
Speaker 1: know myself, but certainly Anaya and p l DA Silva.
Speaker 1: We are long standing negotiators for peace in the region.
Speaker 1: That isn't just a function of where do you stand
Speaker 1: on this? Where do you stand on that? No, we've
Speaker 1: been there for forty years and longer. We've been part
Speaker 1: of a broad discussion and some of that discussion, of
Speaker 1: course here domestically in the United States in the end
Speaker 1: would lead to relationship building, growth, and even challenges between
Speaker 1: Blacks and Jewish people here in the United States, laying
Speaker 1: the foundation for you know, better and broader relationships in
Speaker 1: the tradition of Martin Luther King Junior and Abraham and
Speaker 1: Abraham Heschel, Rabbi Abraham Heschel who marked with doctor King
Speaker 1: in the Deep South. And so there is a kinship
Speaker 1: that we have with both the global jewelry in that
Speaker 1: we both exited a slave system. Of course, they exited
Speaker 1: a faronic slave system. Let my people go, and we
Speaker 1: exited a slave system too. Amend the Constitution of the
Speaker 1: United States because these states wouldn't let us out of
Speaker 1: the peculiar institution of slavery. We share so much in common,
Speaker 1: but we also share in the self determination and the
Speaker 1: rights of Palestinian people to be able to live free,
Speaker 1: to have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I
Speaker 1: felt compelled to share that little bit of history Ania,
Speaker 1: because it is who we are. It is it is
Speaker 1: ingrained in who we are. The Palesinian babies and mothers
Speaker 1: should not be suffering at this hour. Neil, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this question before we before we shut down
Speaker 1: our program. We have about six minutes remaining with you
Speaker 1: on the program, and we close at the hearts. There's
Speaker 1: a hard stop at the thirty. Can you share with
Speaker 1: us the hope that you have for Palestinian people in
Speaker 1: the next let's say, five minutes.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I think every Palestinian across the globe,
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm talking about you know, Palestinians who
Speaker 3: are currently in Gaza, Palestinian who are currently in the
Speaker 3: West Bank, in Jerusalem, and the refuge camps in Jordan, Lebanon,
Speaker 3: and in refugee camps of Syria and in the Aspera. Okay,
Speaker 3: we are talking about you know, the refugees, like five
Speaker 3: point nine million refugees, Palestinian refugees in in the the Aspera.
Speaker 2: Uh and and and they all, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course the numbers is more than that
Speaker 3: across the globe. But I think everybody wants peace, They
Speaker 3: want self determination. They want also the ability to to
Speaker 3: have the freedom to decide for themselves and not anybody
Speaker 3: deciding on their behalf.
Speaker 2: I think that's very important.
Speaker 3: And and also you know, like blaming the Palestinian for everything.
Speaker 2: That happened to the Jewish people. This is absolutely ridiculous,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's it's not that the
Speaker 2: Palestinian are the investigator of what happened to the Jews
Speaker 2: during Second World War Two. We all know and we sympathize,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean about what happened, and nobody wants
Speaker 2: to see another Second World War two happening. And we
Speaker 2: don't want to see another you know, genocide happening in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: And I think what we want is also for us,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean to be able to live freely,
Speaker 3: return to our homes, be able to rebuild our lives,
Speaker 3: or to be you know, some sort of preparation because
Speaker 3: you know, like this is not going.
Speaker 2: To go away. You know, these people are not going
Speaker 2: to go away.
Speaker 3: We are existing, We are we have a voice, and
Speaker 3: we are people of this world. We have the same
Speaker 3: rights as everybody. This is part of the You and
Speaker 3: Human Rights shorter. We have the right to decide for
Speaker 3: ourselves and at the moment, we are not being able
Speaker 3: to decide for ourselves, and people are deciding on our
Speaker 3: behalf on a daily basis. You know, the peace process,
Speaker 3: you know, where is the peace process?
Speaker 2: It's almost dead, Okay, it's almost dead.
Speaker 3: Like the two state solutions, it never been you know,
Speaker 3: I mean implemented, and it wasn't because of the Palestinians.
Speaker 2: That wasn't implemented. So I think what we need, you.
Speaker 3: Know, what I mean is really a comprehensive new narrative
Speaker 3: of peace and reconciliation. As you have said, Jesse, you know,
Speaker 3: we have to come together. There is no like this
Speaker 3: is one land that basically has to have the two
Speaker 3: people living together.
Speaker 2: There is no other alternatives.
Speaker 3: There is no other alternatives except to have peace over Nonie.
Speaker 1: I think about the I really appreciate. I appreciate what
Speaker 1: you said. You know, I think, I think the trauma
Speaker 1: between both sides has been so great for so long
Speaker 1: and so difficult that I even shared with Prime Minister
Speaker 1: not in Yahoo, that I wish there were some way
Speaker 1: that students could exchange, be exchanged on both sides of
Speaker 1: the border, so that a new generation could enjoy themselves
Speaker 1: socially and culturally and engage not in a segregated, across
Speaker 1: the fence relationship, but a spiritually integrated relationship. We play
Speaker 1: soccer together, baseball together, and.
Speaker 2: Have the same rights, you know, the same right.
Speaker 1: But it may have to start incrementally with a generation
Speaker 1: that isn't as hardened as some of the professionals and
Speaker 1: some of the older generations that have experienced so much
Speaker 1: trauma together. I'm just talking about there's so many things
Speaker 1: that my son, when he talks to me at twenty
Speaker 1: two years old, I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And then he, you know, he calls his friends call
Speaker 1: me unk. I'm like, unk, I'm not an old man.
Speaker 1: I mean, when when did that?
Speaker 2: When did That's hard?
Speaker 1: So there's like a world that they understand that is
Speaker 1: not our own, and I almost don't want to share
Speaker 1: with them the mistakes that we've made when they are
Speaker 1: a lot less wed to the idea of the way
Speaker 1: their parents felt or thought. They've gone to school with
Speaker 1: Jewish students, They've gone to school with Palestinians and Arab Americans,
Speaker 1: They've they're a lot less hung up on some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that our parents are hung up on. And
Speaker 1: I wish there were this environment where there were trust
Speaker 1: built amongst a generation of people who are willing to
Speaker 1: build it in the space, in safe spaces. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's all all the way possible, but Ane,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that you spent this hour with us
Speaker 1: on the Jesse jack hour and a half with us
Speaker 1: on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, and I am glad to be
Speaker 2: with you all. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I hope that you'll come back and join us some
Speaker 1: other time. Yes, Doctor Hannia, it's been our very special
Speaker 1: guest for the last hour and a half. More on
Speaker 1: the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. When we come forward on
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Speaker 4: Oh Jesse, Oh Jesse. It's only Wednesday. What am I
Speaker 4: doing here?
Speaker 1: I know it's supposed to be fat meat Fridays, but
Speaker 1: it can be fat meat. Wednesday's a lot of fat
Speaker 1: meat in the last ninety minutes.
Speaker 4: Though, Gina, I understand, Oh my god, there has been sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not completely taken aback by the humanitarian crisis that's
Speaker 1: taking place in that part of the world. But under
Speaker 1: the Trump regime, there's probably going to be a humanitarian
Speaker 1: crisis taking place in almost every country in the world
Speaker 1: if he has he has his say, because he's destabilizing,
Speaker 1: as doctor Deacoq said, he's to stabilizing all of the
Speaker 1: norms in systems, not only in South America, trying to
Speaker 1: destabilize Nigeria, threatening Cuba and Colombia. Meeting today with the
Speaker 1: Foreign Minister and the Prime Minister of Greenland. And even
Speaker 1: though the United States has provided significant security for the
Speaker 1: State of Israel, by the way, which the state of
Speaker 1: Israel does need, it does need to be secure. There
Speaker 1: is now an open discussion about what the President of
Speaker 1: the United States is committing himself to do in Iran.
Speaker 1: In light of the more than twenty four hundred protesters
Speaker 1: who have been killed or murdered by the regime. Many
Speaker 1: have suggested that regime change in Iran would have a
Speaker 1: profound impact on global stability, particularly in the Middle East,
Speaker 1: because Iran is that kind of that kind of terror
Speaker 1: state that sponsors terror in other parts of the world,
Speaker 1: but also in friendly neighbors to Iran, other Arab countries
Speaker 1: in the Middle East. And you know, good riddance. If
Speaker 1: the democracy or the form of government that the people
Speaker 1: ultimately choose in Iran is up for and by them,
Speaker 1: if they're good with it, if they're good with the
Speaker 1: preservation of rights for women, if they're good with the
Speaker 1: preservation of human rights, good riddens. But the idea that genus,
Speaker 1: some kind of ayatolah is over the system and his
Speaker 1: religious values are being imposed on everybody, I might find
Speaker 1: that deeply troubling. I always have found it deeply troubling.
Speaker 4: I mean one has to wonder, I mean, can I
Speaker 4: just get any values people out here. I've been just
Speaker 4: dog gone all over the world. People are just all
Speaker 4: over the place. It's like little ants that are just
Speaker 4: scurrying everywhere, chasing, you know, the next piece of corn bread.
Speaker 4: I am lost for words for where the human heart
Speaker 4: is to see people welfed, educated, in good health. What
Speaker 4: you guys just discussed in the last hour and a
Speaker 4: half was actually disgusting to even think about the fact
Speaker 4: that in Gods for people who have been displaced and
Speaker 4: driven out of their homeland for decades now are suffering
Speaker 4: still and no bomb is dropping. It is that there's dysentery.
Speaker 4: It is that mothers are believing to death in childbirth,
Speaker 4: and that children are starving, and that they are orphans.
Speaker 4: It's really unconscionable. And I don't know at which point,
Speaker 4: because I did ask the question in the chat, who
Speaker 4: is going to speak out? You know, where are the
Speaker 4: major news organizations. I think it's lost a little bit
Speaker 4: in the news cycle because so many things are happening
Speaker 4: around the world. But I do think that we have
Speaker 4: to stop and deal with this.
Speaker 1: I you know, two million people. I was shocked by
Speaker 1: the number that there are more Palestinians in the global
Speaker 1: diaspora than in the Gaza. Strip that she said something
Speaker 1: about five and a half million people. So two million
Speaker 1: in the Gaza, three and a half million people are
Speaker 1: in camps that range from Syria to Lebanon to other
Speaker 1: parts of the world. You know, I was thinking about
Speaker 1: when I was in elementary school, I had a friend.
Speaker 1: I was in the fifth grade, and I remember staying
Speaker 1: at a friend. I want to think his name was
Speaker 1: Shahari or Shari maybe one of my elementary school classmates too,
Speaker 1: listen to the program who call me? Anyway, he lived
Speaker 1: in Prairie Shores and I stayed at his home one night,
Speaker 1: and I didn't quite understand because again I was in
Speaker 1: the fifth grade. Why we were eating around a kind
Speaker 1: of pillow and there was lamb and there was rice,
Speaker 1: and our legs were folded, and I really appreciated a
Speaker 1: cultural experience. And he had on and I know this now,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know it then. He had on a
Speaker 1: Palestinian scarf. I know this now, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: this in the fifth grade. But the reality is his
Speaker 1: family were refugees from the conflict in the Middle East.
Speaker 1: They were refugees and they were at John Jay Pershing
Speaker 1: Elementary School in my fourth and fifth grade class. Before
Speaker 1: I left him went to Lahman's Military Academy. And it
Speaker 1: occurs to me that's my first interaction with someone who
Speaker 1: understood the crisis. And you know, he was very worldly
Speaker 1: for his age because he had been through it, and
Speaker 1: he was trying to convince me that I didn't truly
Speaker 1: understand all that his people were going through. And he
Speaker 1: wasn't wrong.
Speaker 5: Uh the fifth grade, I mean, I thought I knew,
Speaker 5: you know, we were fighting, we were fighting the powerstand
Speaker 5: back in the day in the fifth grade. You don't
Speaker 5: know man daily. But it wasn't what he was going through. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: it was not that.
Speaker 4: As a child, and some people may remember this, there
Speaker 4: was the Bible that people had in their house, the
Speaker 4: one that you kept at home. You didn't take it
Speaker 4: to the church. It just sat there. And my parents
Speaker 4: had one of those, and it had maps that you
Speaker 4: pulled out, and I remembered clear Palestine, and I remember
Speaker 4: understanding that it was no longer Palestine.
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Speaker 1: kbl A Talk fifteen eighty. I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. I'm
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior at record of the Jesse Jackson Junior
Speaker 1: Show and our regular contributor on Wealthy Wednesdays. Is another
Speaker 1: than doctors Todd Yeary. He's just in time to give
Speaker 1: us a mini sermon on our way at the top
Speaker 1: of the hour, Doctor Yerie, welcome forward to the Jesse
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior Show. I think your phone might be muted,
Speaker 1: but I think you're here with us now.
Speaker 6: Hey, doctor Yery, I am here with you, just getting
Speaker 6: off of an airplane and I figured i'd catch you
Speaker 6: so I could do so I could do my mini sermon.
Speaker 1: It's all yours, sir, It's all yours. Behind him, he
Speaker 1: knows the routine.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's the heavens or it could be
Speaker 7: a cloud.
Speaker 6: But but you know, with all that's going on, I
Speaker 6: can only imagine what the discussion has been today with
Speaker 6: where things are? You know, the real question I think
Speaker 6: that confronts us is how do we avoid becoming so
Speaker 6: discouraged as to become paralyzed. And this is where I
Speaker 6: think we have to remember, uh, not only who we are,
Speaker 6: but who our creator is, and that in that intentional
Speaker 6: plan to make us uniquely who we are is a
Speaker 6: sense of resilience and resistance that is actually just a
Speaker 6: part of our spiritual DNA, and probably our actual DNA
Speaker 6: too if we were actually look at it. But there's
Speaker 6: a there's a passage Paul all Rights in one of
Speaker 6: the letters to Thessalonians. There's nothing that happens to us
Speaker 6: that is not uncommon to the human experience. Human frailty,
Speaker 6: human selfishness, human sensitivity, leaves room for all kinds of
Speaker 6: abuses as we see. But we have to remember this
Speaker 6: is what your father always told us. You know, God
Speaker 6: is faithful. God is faithful, having bid farewell to Claude Covin, who,
Speaker 6: in her own unique way, as a teenager, started the momentum.
Speaker 7: God is faithful, and.
Speaker 6: With whatever the challenge might be, God gives us the
Speaker 6: ability to not only withstand it, but to outlast it.
Speaker 7: And so we'll come through us.
Speaker 6: Whatever this is, however long it lasts, whatever it takes.
Speaker 6: Because we are who we are, and because we are
Speaker 6: we are in the end, we're gonna be just fine.
Speaker 6: In the meantime, don't be discouraged. Let's stay focused on
Speaker 6: the real work that must be done.
Speaker 1: Doctor Earie, I'm amazed at how you go back to
Speaker 1: the source of your faith in the midst of an era,
Speaker 1: if you will, of discouragement, you go to the well
Speaker 1: to seek something that is extraordinary in the spirit realm,
Speaker 1: to propel you to look at the day differently, to
Speaker 1: look at the weak differently, too, to look at time differently,
Speaker 1: and to accept the moment for what it is. But
Speaker 1: somewhere in there is this grain of this mustard seed,
Speaker 1: this seed of hope, that propels the ministry, that propels
Speaker 1: your life, and that propels the work forward to the
Speaker 1: extent that you can. Can you share with us the
Speaker 1: source of that energy, the source of that of that
Speaker 1: of that of that seed that you water that needs nourishment,
Speaker 1: that propels what you do forward.
Speaker 7: Well, I'll say it the way I do with all
Speaker 7: of my messages.
Speaker 6: I invite people to wherever they are, find a well
Speaker 6: lit room, and in that space, find a big, bright, clear,
Speaker 6: clean mirror, a bright clear glass. If they have to
Speaker 6: look at their reflection and the coffee table glass and
Speaker 6: the window pane, and the reflection in the appliance is
Speaker 6: the compact in their purse. Wherever they can see themselves,
Speaker 6: wherever you can see you appreciate what you see, because
Speaker 6: if you take a good look at your reflection, you
Speaker 6: will find that there is intimate and intricate detail to
Speaker 6: the plan of the Creator to make you uniquely who
Speaker 6: you are.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: So don't don't just look at the things that appear
Speaker 6: to be out of place. Pay attention to the color
Speaker 6: and texture of your hair, the smoothness of your skin,
Speaker 6: the color and shape of your eyes, the fullness of
Speaker 6: your lips, the shape of your nose, all of those
Speaker 6: things that make you identifiably and recognizably different than anybody else.
Speaker 6: The one thing that I know anyone can do is
Speaker 6: to be the most authentic version of themselves, more so
Speaker 6: than trying to be a poor impostor of somebody else.
Speaker 6: But here's what I also know is that what you
Speaker 6: see in your reflection is your appearance. But inside of
Speaker 6: you is a spark of the divine that gives you
Speaker 6: your essence, the drive that you have for life, the
Speaker 6: dreams that you have for your own purpose, the fulfillment
Speaker 6: of your destiny. And so if we don't lose sight
Speaker 6: of the inner workings, the fire that burns within will
Speaker 6: be just fine. And so I check to make sure
Speaker 6: that I've got fresh wood on the fire every morning.
Speaker 6: Some days it's a little more difficult than others, but
Speaker 6: there's got to be a burn, a d and yearning
Speaker 6: that allows us to overcome the difficulties of the moment
Speaker 6: and make a difference in the world.
Speaker 4: We certainly God has been using you, doctor Earie, to
Speaker 4: stretch me in my level of patience, because I was
Speaker 4: nervous about you.
Speaker 1: Oh Lord, seriously, but on a serious note.
Speaker 2: That was just so well.
Speaker 4: Stated, eloquent in its expression. But you know that's not
Speaker 4: the norm for so many people, because the world tells
Speaker 4: us something different when we look into the mirror and
Speaker 4: when we try to look within, and then we go
Speaker 4: out and face the world. And I think that's the
Speaker 4: importance of taking time, as you just talked about, in
Speaker 4: the morning, for a reflection of heart as well as
Speaker 4: you know, there is the reflection that you see in
Speaker 4: the mirror before you leave in the morning, but even
Speaker 4: before you go look in that mirror, sometimes you might
Speaker 4: need to do some heart reflection. And you know, you
Speaker 4: talked about a source, and that source is light and
Speaker 4: it is love, and it teaches us. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: taken me a long time. It took me forty years
Speaker 4: to really be in true acceptance of what I saw
Speaker 4: in the mirror or how I felt about myself. And
Speaker 4: that is a journey for people, and I pray that
Speaker 4: everybody is willing to take it. And through your guidance
Speaker 4: and one of the reasons you were a host on
Speaker 4: this show, and through Jesse's leadership and Tavis's leadership, you know,
Speaker 4: hopefully we're able to guide people there on because all
Speaker 4: of us are on the journey.
Speaker 7: It's a real journey.
Speaker 6: But you know, culturally we are conditioned to try to
Speaker 6: imitate and emulate. We don't get a lot of training
Speaker 6: on how to develop a level of authenticity and confidence
Speaker 6: in the incompleteness of who we are. And so many
Speaker 6: times we find ourselves frustrated because we're actually living according
Speaker 6: to somebody else's agenda. And until we find our sense
Speaker 6: of self, until we find confidence in being okay with
Speaker 6: taking on, say James Weldon Johnson's Upon the Creation and
Speaker 6: reading that and understanding that this great God, like a
Speaker 6: mammy swooning over her baby scooped out of the earth.
Speaker 6: Right that dirt that gives us our tan, our reflection,
Speaker 6: the melanin that flows that the sun activates, that even
Speaker 6: in the winter time, we're able to make sure that
Speaker 6: we don't lose a sense of not only how we look,
Speaker 6: but how we move.
Speaker 7: We've got to.
Speaker 6: Recognize that there's a uniqueness here and if we can
Speaker 6: embrace it, even though it is under a it's under
Speaker 6: a real attack again. But we have to remember, if
Speaker 6: he did it once, he'll do it again. We're gonna
Speaker 6: be just fined.
Speaker 4: Gina.
Speaker 1: Some closing thoughts in our minute and thirty seconds that
Speaker 1: we have remaining before the top.
Speaker 7: Of the hour.
Speaker 4: Well, first, thank you, doctor Yurie. I know that you
Speaker 4: were in the court room today, but we see that
Speaker 4: you couldn't get out fast enough and off that air
Speaker 4: planting out of the sky fast enough to give us
Speaker 4: a word of hope, and so thank you. Certainly this
Speaker 4: is a mid week to get us over the hump.
Speaker 7: Glad to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm particularly grateful, doctor Yurie, that you sacrificed. You know,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to come today, and we're so grateful
Speaker 1: that you did give us this extraordinary time. We count
Speaker 1: on that to get us through our weeks, because it's
Speaker 1: a long slog. Sometime we start out very spiritually and
Speaker 1: bring the week in with none other than Terry horde
Speaker 1: Owen's and then we move in the general direction of
Speaker 1: Liz King and Tenacious Tuesdays with Barbara Arnweine. But we
Speaker 1: need that little shove to get through the rest of
Speaker 1: the week from doctor Todd Yery. And I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: to call him my friend, our spiritual advisor, advisor and
Speaker 1: someone whose contribution to this show continues to guess Distric
Speaker 1: Moore and life to all of us. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior.
Speaker 1: Listening to Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk fifteen
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Speaker 1: Our very special guest Johnny Mack will be with us
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