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<v Speaker 1>Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders midweek and happens

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<v Speaker 1>to be the middle of July.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Heather and I'm Dalan.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Dylan, Hey girl, what's up? I am so excited

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<v Speaker 1>to be back on the podcast talking to our listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>I see that your assignment is contagious. Yeah. Yeah, everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be wearing a mask before long, a mask. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because your assignments spreading.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Oh I thought you were gonna make a

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<v Speaker 1>joke about the poop parasite. Oh no, we got half

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<v Speaker 1>the country feel a little shitty out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, if any of our listeners have been subjected to

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<v Speaker 2>any of them or any member of their family to this,

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<v Speaker 2>uh this pooh bug, let us know what's happening and

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<v Speaker 2>let us know what to avoid. Hit us up a

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<v Speaker 2>Mountains Taco Bell podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Taco Bell seems to be the word of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't eat at Taco Bell.

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<v Speaker 2>See. When I heard that, my first question was, how

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<v Speaker 2>could you tell that it's a poop parasite, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>just what Taco Bell does period.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, from my point of view, how would I know

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<v Speaker 1>if I have a poop parasite? Because I suffer from

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<v Speaker 1>my bs. So everything makes me sick now every day

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<v Speaker 1>of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the victims of this parasite would say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because yeah, the words explosive, oh, uncontrollable.

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<v Speaker 1>Never good, no, never, never pleasurable. When you hear uncontrollable

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<v Speaker 1>and explosive in the same sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless you're describing my love for Heather, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uncontrollable and explosive, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh makes me blow up with love.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you're so romantic. The other night you leaned

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<v Speaker 1>in and you said, baby, you smell like cigarettes. Smoke

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<v Speaker 1>it from the dive bar, And that was just one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most romantic things you've ever said to me. True,

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I did smell like stings. You don't smoke cigarettes, but

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<v Speaker 2>we have some, We have some good friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone smokes.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody in that bar.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, just in my orbit, everyone yes.

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<v Speaker 2>But in this bar, everyone chained smokes. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a certainly dive bar behavior, almost lighting one cigarette off

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<v Speaker 2>of the butt of another one, and poor Heather would

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<v Speaker 2>be right there in the mix, and a cigarette smoke

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<v Speaker 2>actually gets to her. I found this out very quickly

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<v Speaker 2>when we first got together. When I used to smoke

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<v Speaker 2>way more.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of allergies.

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't even like light one in the car and

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<v Speaker 2>like it's going out the window. It still gets to her,

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<v Speaker 2>but she goes anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you would think I would be immune to

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette smoke because my nana, one of my nana's, my

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<v Speaker 1>nana Dorothy, was a chain smoker. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>back in the eighties, she would smoke with the windows

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<v Speaker 1>up in the car. She'd be blowing smoke in all

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<v Speaker 1>the grim baby's faces.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, she's talking to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so I've grown up around a lot of smoke.

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<v Speaker 1>She would blow that Winston smoke in my face.

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<v Speaker 2>But hey, that's pure smoke.

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<v Speaker 1>But my allergies have never seemed to a to the

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<v Speaker 1>cigarette smoke.

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<v Speaker 2>That Winston smoke's an American classic.

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<v Speaker 1>How you think I got that Winston racing Beach Town, Dylan,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, all right, We have a lot to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about today. The world is going crazy. Not only are

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<v Speaker 1>people explosively shitting everywhere, but there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Always crime, Dylan, tell me about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Two men were taken into custody after a fight over

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<v Speaker 1>an Apple watch outside of Burger King in Tennessee, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty five year old Dale Towns has been charged with

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<v Speaker 1>attempted second degree murder and employing a firearm during the

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<v Speaker 1>commission of a felony. Thirty year old Trevor Young was

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<v Speaker 1>charged with aggravated assault and accessory after the fact. Melymphus Memphis.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where I got Melymphus from. Memphis Police

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<v Speaker 1>responded to a shooting call at a Burger King on

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<v Speaker 1>Poplar Avenue just before six point thirty pm on July fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>and found a man suffering from a gunshot wound. Off

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<v Speaker 1>spoke with a victim's son, who allegedly said townshend Young

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<v Speaker 1>arrived at the fast food joint in a white pickup

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<v Speaker 1>truck and confronted him in the parking lot about stealing

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<v Speaker 1>an apple watch. He said the two men began fighting

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<v Speaker 1>him and this led to a shooting. The son ran

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<v Speaker 1>inside the burger King to get his father, who went

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<v Speaker 1>outside to intervene. A witness told police that the suspects

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<v Speaker 1>began to aggressively assault the sun and uh yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>all over an apple watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's just a dumb reason to be fighting anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't even you're not even safe with the Burger King.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't even go get yourself one of those tiny, tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>little Whopper Juniors. They are so small.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I got a Whopper Junior. May have already mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>this after gosh years of not getting a Whopper Junior.

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<v Speaker 2>And he used to be my go to when I

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<v Speaker 2>was wanted a little taste of a burger, but I

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<v Speaker 2>did want so big honkin burger. You get a Whopper

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<v Speaker 2>Junior a little medium fry and you're happy, right, This

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<v Speaker 2>damn thing was the size of a biscuit. Literally, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how you make a hamburger that small. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>it was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're very tiny these days. It's almost like a

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<v Speaker 1>Whopper Junior biscuit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same thing at Wendy's, right. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>used to get the Little Junior Bacon Cheeseburger, the Little

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<v Speaker 2>Junior Bacon Cheeseburger Deluxe. It was a great little, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>burger bite. You know, tasted pretty good, nice little snack

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<v Speaker 2>on the ghost snack. And they're tiny anyway, they're tiny

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan, we have a Florida woman's story.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, one second, now, I said, that's ridiculous thing

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<v Speaker 2>to be fighting over but gosh, don't Apple watches costs

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<v Speaker 2>like hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy people be fighting over anything.

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<v Speaker 2>We still don't need to shoot anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>No, if someone has stolen your watch, do the reasonable thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Fill a police report.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, say they got Yeah, that's all you can do. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>You have to work inside the system, because now this

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<v Speaker 2>is as wrong as it is for someone to steal

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<v Speaker 2>your property. Now you're probably on video shooting someone in

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<v Speaker 2>a burger King parking lot, and now would say that

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<v Speaker 2>that is certainly an escalation of events.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I want to get back to the days when

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<v Speaker 1>you were just getting busy in a burger King bathroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh ew like sexually.

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<v Speaker 1>The Humpty dance. Oh okay, okay, apparently you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>old song lyrics.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, move on, I'm about to eat these chip.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get back to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Got my bowl of chips.

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<v Speaker 1>A Florida woman, Surprisingly, it's not a Florida man today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Florida woman is facing criminal charges after allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>stabbing her friend with scissors after he told her she

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't drink beer in an uber.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so the uber driver said, you can't drink the.

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<v Speaker 1>Friend, Hey, you cannot drink beer in.

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<v Speaker 2>The super so she attacked him with scissors?

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<v Speaker 1>Right so. Thirty two year old Lynn Marie Zamora was

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<v Speaker 1>arrested on Monday, July thirteenth and charged with aggravated battery

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<v Speaker 1>with a deadly weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is she just going around with scissors?

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<v Speaker 1>Bro The incident unfolded that night when a deputy with

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<v Speaker 1>the Sheriff's Office the Miami Day Sheriff's Office was called

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<v Speaker 1>to Southwest one thirty seventh Avenue in Southwest seventy fourth

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<v Speaker 1>Street in Miami, where the victim said Zamora became irritated

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<v Speaker 1>with him because she wanted to drink a beer in

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<v Speaker 1>an Uber they were taking to a friend's house. After

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<v Speaker 1>telling Zamora several times that she could not drink alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>in the ride share vehicle, she took out a pair

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<v Speaker 1>of scissors from her purse and stabbed this friend in

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<v Speaker 1>the left bicep and left calve, breaking the skin. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the affidavit, damn. He was taken to a local

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<v Speaker 1>hospital where he was treated for injuries. The uber driver

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed what had allegedly happened in the vehicle, and Uber's

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<v Speaker 1>community guidelines state that drug use and open containers of

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol are never allowed while using the Uber marketplace platform.

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<v Speaker 1>Ride sharers are writers using the ride shares are instructed

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<v Speaker 1>to never bring illegal drugs or open containers of alcohol

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<v Speaker 2>Well, of course they are. I mean, somebody shouldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>have to outline that for you, right, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just simple common respect.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman was arrested. She's being held on a seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred dollars bond. She appeared in court where her

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<v Speaker 1>defense attorney asked that she'd be given hospital treatment. The prosecutor, however,

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<v Speaker 1>said this woman was a flight risk with a criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>Record, so no, no bond.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, people's nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, you stabbed me with some scissors. Do I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>hit you square in your face. I don't care who

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<v Speaker 2>you are. I'm gonna be Okay. Everyone out there before warned.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't understand what was happening in the world today.

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<v Speaker 1>A seventy nine year old man has been arrested in

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<v Speaker 1>connection with a nineteen eighty one cold case. And now, Dylan,

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<v Speaker 1>we know how much I love a cold case solved.

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<v Speaker 2>She likes it when the cold case heats up.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it when a cold case gets solved. So

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<v Speaker 1>on Thursday, July sixteenth, the Grapevine Police Department confirmed that

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<v Speaker 1>an arrest had been made in connection with a homicide

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<v Speaker 1>investigation dating back to nineteen eighty one. Larry Dean Brown

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<v Speaker 1>was booked in the Terrant County Correction Center on charge

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<v Speaker 1>of murder intentionally causing death after being extradited from Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>The arrest was made in connection with the death of

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five year old Beverly Brunew on February thirteenth of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one. Brunew's boyfriend returned home from work to

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<v Speaker 1>find her dead on the living room floor, an electrical

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<v Speaker 1>cord wrapped around her neck. She had blood on her face.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators at the time said the home showed signs of

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<v Speaker 1>a struggle and noted that Brunew had suffered multiple injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>It was later ruled that Brunew died from strangulation sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in the mid morning before she was found. Officers met

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<v Speaker 1>with Brown when they visited his home to speak with

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<v Speaker 1>his wife, who is identified as Thelma Brown. She was

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<v Speaker 2>This is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, Brunew and Thelma co owned a home

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<v Speaker 1>in Dallas that had been damaged in a fire. Brown

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<v Speaker 1>is accused of pressuring Brunew to sign fraudulent insurance documents

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<v Speaker 1>with inflated repair costs. Brunew allegedly refused to sign those documents.

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<v Speaker 1>Thelma later forged her signature on the paperwork following the

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<v Speaker 1>woman's death. So this case remained unsolved until evidence was

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<v Speaker 1>re examined in twenty ten. They were able to identify

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<v Speaker 1>some DNA, Unfortunately it was an unknown male they had

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<v Speaker 1>no match in their system. That is the code of system,

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<v Speaker 1>the Combined DNA Index system. When the case was reopened,

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<v Speaker 1>detectives worked with the Larimer County Sheriff's office in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>where Brown was living at the time, to obtain DNA

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<v Speaker 1>samples from soda bottles found in his trash. Nice right,

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<v Speaker 1>So they later received results indicating that Brown could not

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<v Speaker 1>be excluded as the source of the blood found on

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<v Speaker 1>Brunew's nightgown. So I just love when a good cold

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, all over some insurance fraud, I mean, what the hell? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>There's been a lot of discussion over the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>was recovered July sixth and the waters of Horn Island, Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 1>This was two days after he traveled there by boat

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<v Speaker 1>with friends to celebrate the fourth of July. Now, Dylan,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Well, yeah, I mean it's everywhere, right, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>where you look, be it at the gym, you'll see

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<v Speaker 2>it on the news channel up there above the treadmills,

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<v Speaker 2>or online, and I would say almost any social media app.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not super familiar with the nuts and bolts

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<v Speaker 2>of the case, the deets, if you will. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>The cases drawing national attention, largely because of some unanswered

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<v Speaker 1>His family said they believe race has influenced how law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement is handling the ongoing investigation, while calling for thoroughness

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<v Speaker 1>and transparency. Newly released records show the movements of the

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<v Speaker 1>before the eighteen year old disappeared and later died in

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<v Speaker 1>a case that has attracted all this national attention. So

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<v Speaker 1>while much remains publicly unknown about his final hours amid

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<v Speaker 1>both a sheriff's investigation and his own family's probe, the

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<v Speaker 1>boat records align with what some friends who saw Wells

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<v Speaker 1>that day have already said. Wells traveled to the island

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<v Speaker 1>by boat with friends for like an Independence Day party,

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<v Speaker 1>but did not return with them that evening. His mother

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<v Speaker 1>and ultiple agencies launched a search on July fifth. His

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<v Speaker 1>and the results of an official and independent autopsy are pending.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been some conflicting accounts about whether Wells chose

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<v Speaker 1>but Wells's parents, Christine and Elmore Wansley, have said it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been out of character and reckless for their

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<v Speaker 2>Well So, at first I thought that this group of

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<v Speaker 2>friends had just went to some you know, this island

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. But then I guess I hear there was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people there, right, all many different boats,

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<v Speaker 2>different groups of friends. Is that the case?

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like this was a place where a lot

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So everyone's there doing their place the.

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<v Speaker 1>Fourth So naturally, I think you're going to have, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>probably different groups of young people out partying, and this

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<v Speaker 1>I think it makes sense that there's probably different different

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if I tell the group of friends I'm with,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go back with you guys, because

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<v Speaker 2>you're leaving before I'm ready. And you know, this happens, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you're having fun. Maybe they're all ready to go, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're not, And I'll just catch a ride with someone

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<v Speaker 2>else because there's other people there, likely you know, other people,

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine, And that doesn't seem like that big

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<v Speaker 2>of a deal to me. That seems like something young

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<v Speaker 2>people would do. Now they know there's some better than

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<v Speaker 2>I do, right the family and they're saying that he

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<v Speaker 2>would never decide to stay when you know the people

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<v Speaker 2>who brought him are leaving. So I certainly can't say

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<v Speaker 2>that's not true or not true, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that it seems like you have this case and the

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<v Speaker 2>worst part of is this young man's loss his life. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what happened, he's dead, and that's terrible. You

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<v Speaker 2>look like a really smart, handsome young man, very popular,

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<v Speaker 2>very popular, had a bright future. I'm a tall play Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, his life's just beginning. It seems so bad

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<v Speaker 2>when you see these stories that happen to young people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like they're just figuring themselves out or what

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<v Speaker 2>they might want to do, and then it's all kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, snuffed or it's taken away, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>But and I think the truth needs to come out,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what the truth is, right, right, But I

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<v Speaker 2>think you can't help but see that various people are

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of using this story in a way to

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<v Speaker 2>further their own interest, right, And I'm not talking about

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<v Speaker 2>any just I don't know. It's just turned into this

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<v Speaker 2>thing to where it doesn't seem to be about him.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't seem to be about what happened to him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like people are trying to turn it into something

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't even know what.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and it reminds me. This very much reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>of the Kendrick Johnson case out of Georgia that we

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<v Speaker 1>covered some months ago. Right, how this young man passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>There's mystery surrounding it. A lot of fingers are being pointed,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are trying to make it a

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<v Speaker 1>racial issue or say that it's a race based crime

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<v Speaker 1>I hate crime, or that the investigation didn't go as

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<v Speaker 1>it should because of racism. But then you have multiple

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<v Speaker 1>agencies looking into it and determining kind of the same outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>But it seems like maybe the family doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>accept that outcome, right, And so, yeah, we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot about this. We do know Wells was

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<v Speaker 1>last seen on the island around three pm on July fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley Cole, a local chancery judge whose son Warren was

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<v Speaker 1>with Wells that day, released a lengthy statement saying that

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<v Speaker 1>Warren last saw Wells around three pm. According to Cole,

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<v Speaker 1>Warren left about four point thirty pm because the boat

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<v Speaker 1>its bilge pump. She said her son was interviewed by

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<v Speaker 1>the Sheriff's Department and has fully cooperated with investigators. Another

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<v Speaker 1>of Welles's friends, who was on the island that day,

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<v Speaker 1>Tracaton Shepherd, said that the group left the island on

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<v Speaker 1>the boat because of an electrical problem, but that Wells

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<v Speaker 1>remained after he had met a young woman. Now records

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<v Speaker 1>obtained by NBC News support the timeline about the boat leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>indicating that the boat's operator called dispatch around four PM

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<v Speaker 1>to request assistance. The records, however, do not confirm everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who traveled on the boat or providing any further information

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<v Speaker 1>about Wells's whereabouts at that time. Okay, the caller reported

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<v Speaker 1>there were like seven people on board, add in quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get this boat unsank and towed back

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<v Speaker 1>now Separately, GPS data obtained by CBS News from the

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi Department of Marine Resources shows the vessel left to

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<v Speaker 1>dock shortly before ten am and arrived at Horn Island

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<v Speaker 1>at eleven fourteen am, where it remained until four thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one pm. Wells family has said he stayed with friends

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<v Speaker 1>the night before ahead of going to the party that day.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the GPS data, the boat left the island

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<v Speaker 1>at four thirty one pm and returned to its original

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<v Speaker 1>departure dock. It then traveled to Fort BYU around five

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<v Speaker 1>point fifty two pm before returning to the dock at

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<v Speaker 1>six oh six pm. The boat traveled back to Fort

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<v Speaker 1>BYU a boat launch at seven nineteen pm. It later

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<v Speaker 1>traveled over land to the nearby Biloxi. Residents of the

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<v Speaker 1>boat's owners, Wells parents have retained civil rights attorney civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights attorney Ben Crump, and they have sharply questioned the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation so far, calling for thoroughness and transparency and suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>that race is a factor, while saying they don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>Wells accidentally drowned, as authorities have said, is possible.

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<v Speaker 2>So there, well, there you go now, and if their

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<v Speaker 2>family truly believes that, you know what is possible, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be some thing happened out there that we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, we don't know about yet, and maybe all

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<v Speaker 2>that will come out. That's certainly possible. But when you

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<v Speaker 2>get in bed with people like Ben Crump, right, these

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<v Speaker 2>famous almost mouthpieces of the system, my fear is that

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of everything's through that lens now, right, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what is true or no matter what is said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all filtered through this this racial lens, this civil

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<v Speaker 2>rights violation lens and all this stuff, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's a problem, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I continue to see social media videos and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to get into any kind of race discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just stating what I've seen on social media a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of calls that if you are the parent of

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<v Speaker 1>black children, that you should not allow them to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with groups of white people, right, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>what will happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I've been seeing videos of people going up,

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<v Speaker 2>say there's a group of white people and there's one

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<v Speaker 1>With them, oh, and asking are you okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And asking are you okay? You know how disgusting that

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<v Speaker 2>because you know what, the kid is okay because the

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<v Speaker 2>kid looks happy as fuck, bro okay, and every video

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<v Speaker 2>and the people are like, what like confused as to

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<v Speaker 2>what they mean. But you know, that's ridiculous. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if the shoe was on the other foot, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was all these videos of white people walking up to

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<v Speaker 2>a group of black people that happen to have one

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<v Speaker 2>white person with them and asking them if they're safe

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<v Speaker 2>and okay, would that not that would probably be a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal, right, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure it would be.

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<v Speaker 2>People wouldn't view that as funny, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I would also not view it as funny because it's

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<v Speaker 2>fucking ridiculous. It's a ridiculous thing to do and a

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<v Speaker 2>way to act.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. You know, it's a horrible tragedy

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<v Speaker 1>and I know it's a parent's worst nightmare, and I would,

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<v Speaker 1>as a parent want to find out every single detail

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<v Speaker 1>of my child's remaining hours, like what happened, and would

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<v Speaker 1>want to make sense of it. But I'm also somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's pretty logical and reasonable, and if authorities are saying, look,

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<v Speaker 1>there's really no sign of foul play here, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the autopsy reveals the young man died, you know, from

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<v Speaker 1>like an accidental drowning or something like that, I would.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know it would be hard to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>your head around that as a parent and accept it.

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<v Speaker 1>But this automatic rush to judgment and to decide what

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<v Speaker 1>has happened and to make it into something that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not right off the bat, I don't think is ever

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<v Speaker 1>positive for anybody on any side. And as a parent,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, it does kind of dilute the facts

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<v Speaker 1>and you will still have people who will push against

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<v Speaker 1>the obvious truth and still paint a narrative that we

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<v Speaker 1>can't trust you because you're racist law enforcement, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe the medical examiner, and that it's like a big,

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<v Speaker 1>vast conspiracy, just like with the Kendrick Johnson case. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody hate to see that because it does it diminishes

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it does, and it can in the end, it

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<v Speaker 2>can actually affect the truth, truth and all the facts

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<v Speaker 2>coming out, right, And so I'm to believe that something

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<v Speaker 2>happened out there, and again we don't. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean, all everything in the preliminary results and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's observations are that something happened, but not what they're describing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe some accident or something to that of that nature.

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<v Speaker 2>But so your your son would never stay behind, right,

425
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<v Speaker 2>But they're out there hanging out, everybody's having a great time,

426
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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden the boat needs to go

427
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<v Speaker 2>back because it's having mechanical issues. Well that's the ZAC scenario,

428
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<v Speaker 2>where a young person may stay behind and want to

429
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<v Speaker 2>keep hanging out with friends and having fun. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, just as a parent saying, why I know my

431
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<v Speaker 1>kid wouldn't do this. But here's the thing. When there's

432
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<v Speaker 1>drugs or alcohol involved, and I'm not saying that there

433
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<v Speaker 1>was or that this young man was participating in any

434
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<v Speaker 1>of that kind of thing, but I'm sure there was

435
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<v Speaker 1>drugs and alcohol probably in and around the young man.

436
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<v Speaker 1>And you have groups of young people, there's peer pressure,

437
00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:19.680
<v Speaker 1>and if you throw in the mix a young lady

438
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<v Speaker 1>that he's eyeing or you know, maybe trying to court

439
00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:27.440
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, that can definitely change things. And your child

440
00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:32.839
<v Speaker 1>that might normally be responsible, could make a decision that's irresponsible, like, hey,

441
00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:36.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to stay behind thinking everything will be okay

442
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.680
<v Speaker 1>because I've got other friends here, I'm trying to pursue

443
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<v Speaker 1>this young woman whatever. And so I think, I guess

444
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<v Speaker 1>what I'm thinking here is that without any evidence of

445
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<v Speaker 1>foul play, you know, you don't have an autopsy report,

446
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:57.200
<v Speaker 1>there's no toxicology report, nothing like that has come out yet.

447
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<v Speaker 1>But then you have people going to the press, whether

448
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<v Speaker 1>it's the parents or the attorney, kind of making accusations

449
00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.720
<v Speaker 1>and putting their son's friends on blast who have known

450
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<v Speaker 1>this guy for you know, twelve years plus, that have

451
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.880
<v Speaker 1>gone to school with him, that seemingly loved him, he

452
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:19.960
<v Speaker 1>seemed very popular, like everybody was his friend. And you know,

453
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<v Speaker 1>some of the I guess the other friends maybe who

454
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<v Speaker 1>were not involved this day, have been speaking out like

455
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<v Speaker 1>he was very beloved. And so for people to get

456
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<v Speaker 1>on the TV and say like any of us would

457
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<v Speaker 1>harm him as crazy because he was like our brother.

458
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<v Speaker 1>We loved him right, and he was like part of

459
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<v Speaker 1>the family, like he was our best friend. We would

460
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<v Speaker 1>never hurt him. I mean, I just think that can

461
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<v Speaker 1>be very dangerous.

462
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so I'm supposed to believe that a this

463
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<v Speaker 2>whole group is you know, something happened, and they're all

464
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<v Speaker 2>keeping it quiet. All the investigators who you know, first

465
00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:57.960
<v Speaker 2>on scene and everything, they're they're they're not reporting facts,

466
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<v Speaker 2>they're keeping quiet to everyone there, all the other witnesses,

467
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:06.720
<v Speaker 2>potential groups of people, they're all keeping it quiet too.

468
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just when you look at it, it

469
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<v Speaker 2>really gets ridiculous very quickly. And as a parent, I

470
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<v Speaker 2>would never want someone else to take what happened to

471
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<v Speaker 2>my child and use it for their own agenda. And

472
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<v Speaker 2>that's just that's just seems to be what happened and

473
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<v Speaker 2>has happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know what shame on this attorney, because

475
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.920
<v Speaker 1>unless they know something that the public has not been told,

476
00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:29.880
<v Speaker 1>this attorney has knowingly put these young people's lives in danger,

477
00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.559
<v Speaker 1>the friends they have been receiving threats, And I think

478
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<v Speaker 1>a good attorney would not have done that. He would

479
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<v Speaker 1>have waited for evidence, because you don't put assumptions out

480
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<v Speaker 1>there no without proof, and it just can turn out

481
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<v Speaker 1>to be a disaster, because if Nolan stayed behind and

482
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.880
<v Speaker 1>drowned and it was an accident, then you know, this

483
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<v Speaker 1>lawyer has kind of incited these feelings or issues or

484
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<v Speaker 1>whatever that didn't even exist.

485
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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't care. A person like him does not care.

486
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<v Speaker 2>That's the way I'll just view it.

487
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<v Speaker 1>Right. I feel sorry for this family and I can't

488
00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:14.400
<v Speaker 1>imagine what they're going through, But I also I just

489
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<v Speaker 1>don't I guess I don't understand this immediate push to

490
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:21.319
<v Speaker 1>create like maybe a narrative that we don't have any evidence.

491
00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:25.480
<v Speaker 2>To support yet, right, So I don't.

492
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:28.839
<v Speaker 1>See how that's really beneficial unless you get some information

493
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:31.119
<v Speaker 1>that comes out and you have some evidence, Like I

494
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:34.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know, just throwing around baseless accusations based on your

495
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.720
<v Speaker 1>feelings rather than facts. That never ends well.

496
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<v Speaker 2>But see, once they people start acting like this, the

497
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.640
<v Speaker 2>truth can never come through because autops of your report

498
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:47.480
<v Speaker 2>could come out tomorrow saying oh, this is all the

499
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>hallmarks of an accident, dental drowning or something, or say

500
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:53.440
<v Speaker 2>he was using something. I'm not saying he.

501
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Was, but oh, like he was under the influence of

502
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<v Speaker 1>something else.

503
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<v Speaker 2>So maybe you know, he was intoxicated and maybe drowns

504
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to swim, or wasn't a strong swim or what

505
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 2>are any of that. They're just not going to believe it.

506
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 2>They'll just say that's more of the conspiracy. And when

507
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>people start acting like that, it's just I mean, it's ridiculous.

508
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<v Speaker 2>It really is.

509
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<v Speaker 1>Well, as someone who's worked as a reporter in a

510
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>college town, every like late summer, early fall semester, it

511
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 1>seems there is always a story. When I was working

512
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:26.920
<v Speaker 1>as a reporter, there was always a story. It seemed

513
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<v Speaker 1>to almost every year, like clockwork, that a student, a

514
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.240
<v Speaker 1>freshman typically not from the area, would come to this

515
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.160
<v Speaker 1>college in the mountains and would go swimming either at

516
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:42.039
<v Speaker 1>the lake or in the river, not knowing there's undercurrents.

517
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, I hadn't grown up around swimming.

518
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:49.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, certain areas of like river whitewater, like you

519
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:52.720
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be swimming or messing around in there would typically

520
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 1>be something involved like alcohol, and you would have drownings.

521
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<v Speaker 1>And it's just an accident. It's just a tragic accident, right,

522
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, But I don't recall people throwing around, you know,

523
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:09.279
<v Speaker 1>buzzwords and trying to like make accusations. You know, sometimes

524
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:11.720
<v Speaker 1>it truly is just an accident.

525
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<v Speaker 2>Well, hopefully the truth comes out and like I said,

526
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:16.599
<v Speaker 2>nothing's going to change.

527
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we definitely need to wait for more

528
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>facts and information before we make a judgment on this case.

529
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Now, this young man lost his life, but I can't

530
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<v Speaker 2>lose sight of that.

531
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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but I think it's a good teachable moment

532
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>for parents that we should all talk about these things

533
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>with our kids. That you know, when you're out with

534
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:38.720
<v Speaker 1>your friends, even if everybody else is drinking or smoking

535
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.920
<v Speaker 1>pot or whatever, you're on the water. You need to

536
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>be responsible. You need to take care of yourself. You

537
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>need to make sure you were making good decisions.

538
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean just the last week or so,

539
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:53.599
<v Speaker 2>I jumped in a lake and you were like, hey,

540
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 2>you've been You've had a few beers and you don't

541
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.920
<v Speaker 2>have any you know, I'm a very strong swimmer. But

542
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.839
<v Speaker 2>she's like, you don't know these waters, anything could happen.

543
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 2>You should be careful. So you were preaching safety to me,

544
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:06.200
<v Speaker 2>and we're in our forties.

545
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm always preaching safety because I'm neurotic and I see

546
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>danger at every turn. Okay, And I float because I'm

547
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>paranoid and I have mental illness.

548
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 2>I just started floating, and then she chilled out because

549
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:17.319
<v Speaker 2>I float so well.

550
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then I think I threw a float at you.

551
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not putting on the wings.

552
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>You need some swimmis. I wish they made swimmies for adults.

553
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I'd put the motherfuckers on and I would just be

554
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>like having the best time now. A father's son duo

555
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.599
<v Speaker 1>in California allegedly kidnapped a pair of US Forest Service workers.

556
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<v Speaker 1>According to the US attorney Eric Grant, Okay, you heard

557
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the story. No, Well, they were held hostage inside a

558
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>trailer in a rural area near Mount Shasta. The FBI

559
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 1>deployed a hostage negotiator from Quantico to coordinate with local authorities.

560
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:56.200
<v Speaker 1>The authorities negotiated the hostages release after hours of talks

561
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:57.559
<v Speaker 1>with the kidnappers.

562
00:29:58.160 --> 00:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>What was the problem.

563
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't really know, Dylan. A Forest Service

564
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 1>employee called authorities around eleven am on Thursday to notify

565
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.480
<v Speaker 1>them of the kidnapping. The FBI secured the release of

566
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 1>one of the hostages at one fifty am on Friday,

567
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.119
<v Speaker 1>and the second hostage fifteen minutes later. The alleged kidnappers

568
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.039
<v Speaker 1>surrendered themselves to the FBI two thirty am. So at

569
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.039
<v Speaker 1>this point, I don't really know why they were being held.

570
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>We don't know what the kidnappers motivations are or why

571
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to speak with the FBI. So at this point,

572
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>little information is out that I can find. But it's

573
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 1>just a very strange story.

574
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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I mean when when's the last time you

575
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>even heard of something like that happening?

576
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Now, Dylan, are you familiar with OnlyFans model Courtney Clinney.

577
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>No, So I'm not being funny. I don't know any

578
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>only fans.

579
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.839
<v Speaker 1>Well, she was accused in the twenty twenty two death

580
00:30:54.960 --> 00:31:00.880
<v Speaker 1>of Christian Ombumsley, her boyfriend, and she she's been arguing

581
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:04.559
<v Speaker 1>after her arrest that she acted in self defense as

582
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:08.319
<v Speaker 1>a battered spouse, all right, and she's trying to file

583
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>documents in court to say that she was a battered spouse,

584
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and she's trying to turn the tables on prosecutors before

585
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:20.480
<v Speaker 1>her murder trial begins, asking the judge to block the

586
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.799
<v Speaker 1>state from using a string of alleged prior violent incidents

587
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:25.519
<v Speaker 1>to paint her as the aggressor.

588
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.279
<v Speaker 2>All right, so she wants to.

589
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Suppress evidence that she's been a violent aggressor while also

590
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>using the battered spouse defense.

591
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well that's tricky, right, I Mean, on face value,

592
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 2>you would say that really doesn't add up, Like, how

593
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.480
<v Speaker 2>are there all these I'm going to assume videos or

594
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 2>maybe texts painting you out as a violent individual or

595
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>an aggressive person.

596
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<v Speaker 1>Well, it sounds yeah, or it sounds like maybe there

597
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>were other domestic violence calls into law enforcement. Perhaps.

598
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, now, as far as those go, all a lot

599
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:14.240
<v Speaker 2>of times the cops don't know exactly what happened. Now,

600
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 2>I've seen before where you do have the abuser paint

601
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 2>out their victim as having been the one to actually

602
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:26.160
<v Speaker 2>attack them or something like that, and it not be true,

603
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.240
<v Speaker 2>but the cops kind of believe, you know, because the

604
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>cops no offense to them. They're just coming into the situation.

605
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.359
<v Speaker 2>They don't know anything and so, and then you have

606
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:39.000
<v Speaker 2>one person who's hysterical, right, which never I've always told people,

607
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.400
<v Speaker 2>you can't act like this to cops because they don't

608
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.880
<v Speaker 2>know what's happening, and they're just going to see you

609
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 2>and think you're freaking. You're the problem because you're the

610
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.480
<v Speaker 2>one who's out of control, hysterical, being loud and all that.

611
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Speaker 2>So as far as if it's just domestic violence reports,

612
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:03.240
<v Speaker 2>but oftentimes you really need calls of calls for service

613
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 2>records for that and things, and maybe where the cops

614
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 2>do come and find you beat up and you know,

615
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 2>know that they're abusing you. I mean, you need some

616
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.599
<v Speaker 2>evidence of that. I think before you can really say

617
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>someone is, you know, abusing you to the point where

618
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:21.160
<v Speaker 2>you have to kill them to protect yourself.

619
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<v Speaker 1>Her lawyers are asking a judge to allow them to

620
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>bring up Umbumcelly's twenty twenty Austin arrest warrant. The warrant,

621
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>which attached was attached to the defense filing, accuses umbum

622
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Selly of cruelty to a non livestock animal, which is

623
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 1>a Class A misdemeanor in Travis County, Texas. It lists

624
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:44.319
<v Speaker 1>an offense date of November two, twenty twenty, but does

625
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>not show how the case was resolved. Clinny's lawyers are

626
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 1>claiming the records behind the warrant described apartment staff finding

627
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Umbum Selly's dead dog, Halo, confined inside a kennel on

628
00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a closet after an apartment had been abandoned. Investigators allegedly

629
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.599
<v Speaker 1>found food in the kennel, but no water and fece

630
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:10.519
<v Speaker 1>surrounding the animal. A veterinarian pathologist concluded the dog most

631
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:16.360
<v Speaker 1>likely died due to dehydration from water deprivation, and that

632
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.199
<v Speaker 1>the dog had been dead for five to seven days

633
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:25.239
<v Speaker 1>before being discovered, and that Obum Selly Obumseelly I know

634
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm butchering his name, gave vague, confusing and conflicting accounts

635
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 1>about the dog's death. So she's trying to bring in

636
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>this animal cruelty fight as part of a broader pre

637
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:39.360
<v Speaker 1>trial battle over how jurors will see the couple's volatile relationship,

638
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.760
<v Speaker 1>and she's hoping that this will show the jurors that

639
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>he was just like this terrible person. There is video.

640
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a snippet of an elevator video that a lot

641
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 1>of people have seen it's been publicized that shows Clinny

642
00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>as the aggressor. She's striking Mbumselli, pulling his hair, hitting

643
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>him before the door's open, and he manages to escape.

644
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>But of course her attorneys are saying, well, you know,

645
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:11.760
<v Speaker 1>this video takes out the part that happened, like before

646
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:13.559
<v Speaker 1>she attacked him.

647
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they're they're saying, you don't see the full

648
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.039
<v Speaker 2>context of the video.

649
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 1>Right.

650
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing about the animal, this poor dog. That's terrible.

651
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 2>If you could do that to a living creature, I

652
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:30.920
<v Speaker 2>personally think you're a piece of shit. But you could

653
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.440
<v Speaker 2>argue the way someone treats an animal, because some people

654
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.800
<v Speaker 2>view animals as just that an animal, you know, kind

655
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 2>of beneath them and you know, unemotional, they're not attached.

656
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.840
<v Speaker 2>They just think there's some dumb animal. You could argue

657
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>that the way that that person treats an animal, it

658
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily mean that's how they would treat their partner

659
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.519
<v Speaker 2>or their wife or girlfriend. Right.

660
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.360
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, Well, I understand that. I mean,

661
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I get why she's trying to introduce this. I get

662
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.440
<v Speaker 1>why she is but into the trial and get this

663
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>evidence before jurors.

664
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Now I get it is to show a level of

665
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:14.639
<v Speaker 2>cruelty and things like that, but also from the someone

666
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:16.760
<v Speaker 2>from the other side day did argue you're going to

667
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.239
<v Speaker 2>buas the jury in the rest of the case because

668
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.039
<v Speaker 2>of what he did to this dog. You see what

669
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. Yeah, And like I said, you may view

670
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:28.280
<v Speaker 2>dogs differently than humans and be capable of treating a dog.

671
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess my attitude is, if that's the only evidence

672
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 1>you have to back up your claim, when there's a

673
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of other evidence to suggest you were the violent aggressor.

674
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:44.039
<v Speaker 2>You're in trouble. Yeah, no you are. I mean, if

675
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 2>you're fighting tooth and nail over just animal cruelty stuff,

676
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.880
<v Speaker 2>then I don't know what to say. And you're also

677
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.840
<v Speaker 2>fighting to have multiple other pieces of evidence which paint you,

678
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.519
<v Speaker 2>in your words, paint you out as the aggressor, which

679
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.519
<v Speaker 2>means that you basically look like the Chris Or when

680
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 2>you watch the video, Then yeah, you got a problem.

681
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:07.599
<v Speaker 2>I think you've got a problem.

682
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, and if that's the only thing you have to

683
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:12.480
<v Speaker 1>suggest this person was violent or immoral or whatever, then

684
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:17.599
<v Speaker 1>I think you don't really stand a chance at trial.

685
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.559
<v Speaker 1>And honestly don't know if the animal cruelty thing should

686
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 1>be allowed to go before jerors because that seems that's

687
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.280
<v Speaker 1>a terrible thing on its own. But I don't feel

688
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:27.039
<v Speaker 1>like that's part of this.

689
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.119
<v Speaker 2>No, this case, That's what I was saying, is it.

690
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Has nothing to do with the fact that you murdered

691
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:32.559
<v Speaker 1>this man.

692
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 2>No, and honestly it's you could argue it's only to

693
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:43.760
<v Speaker 2>basically characteristic to do character assassination on the person.

694
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Who's des because he's dead you killed.

695
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes, You're right, he can't defend himself. He can't explain that,

696
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:53.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, he can't explain maybe he got couldn't come back,

697
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.679
<v Speaker 2>or maybe the person he thought was watching his an.

698
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not saying it's true.

699
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:01.880
<v Speaker 1>We could. We don't know the details outside of what

700
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:05.519
<v Speaker 1>has been You can't defend himself against this other thing,

701
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:06.679
<v Speaker 1>is what I'm Yeah.

702
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 2>And he could have for all he knew. Somebody was

703
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.039
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be taking care of the animal. It paid

704
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:12.639
<v Speaker 2>the money to do it, and they didn't do it,

705
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:14.519
<v Speaker 2>and they let the animal die. I mean, you don't

706
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:18.559
<v Speaker 2>know what happened in that situation, and I think it

707
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it should be kept out just because it's

708
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:25.400
<v Speaker 2>not relevant. It's relevant to this case doesn't really work

709
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.880
<v Speaker 2>from me, even though whoever did that to that dog,

710
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.559
<v Speaker 2>like I said, is a piece of shit. I mean,

711
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you could do that to any

712
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 2>Leave it. Hell, I wouldn't do that to a freaking

713
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.679
<v Speaker 2>hermit crab. Just leave it and not you know what

714
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean. It's weird to lock to lock something up

715
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.519
<v Speaker 2>and not give it food or let use the bathroom

716
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:53.320
<v Speaker 2>or have clean conditions. I know you always try to

717
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>bring him back from the beach when we go to

718
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:57.719
<v Speaker 2>the beaches. I just want one like a little kid.

719
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I am like a little kid. Look to fuck childhood.

720
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Let me be a little kid now, okay, okay, I

721
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.760
<v Speaker 1>want to experience all the joy of childhood as an adult.

722
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.639
<v Speaker 1>A twenty one year old man police say dismembered and

723
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 1>disposed of his girlfriend, has pled not guilty in connection

724
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>with her death. Dylan twenty five year old Isadore Wingle

725
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 1>was last seeing December thirty, first of twenty twenty five,

726
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:21.639
<v Speaker 1>and was reported missing by our family a week later.

727
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:26.159
<v Speaker 1>So on January tenth, athorties announced suspected foul play. Joshua

728
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Height was arrested on February tenth and charged with murder

729
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 1>and evidence tampering. Investigators said they believe Height dismembered Wangle

730
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.559
<v Speaker 1>with a sow that he purchased on door dash and

731
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.039
<v Speaker 1>disposed of her remains in a plastic tote during a

732
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 1>midwinter freeze.

733
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean you came and go get the saw yourself, dude,

734
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what do we do it? You're going to order?

735
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Why are you trying to ruin door dash for the

736
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:53.119
<v Speaker 1>rest of us?

737
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:56.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just saying you hear these in these stories

738
00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 2>nowadays where people have, you know, murder kits delivered and stuff,

739
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.519
<v Speaker 2>and see the stupid part is you're really just adding

740
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 2>another layer of someone who could testify against you. So

741
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of goofy.

742
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>During the investigation into Height, it was learned that he'd

743
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>allegedly made searches for home depot, a sawsaw, door dash,

744
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 1>junk removal, near me, dumpster, and how to register for

745
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 1>a legal alias. On January fourth.

746
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 2>A llegal alias.

747
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.400
<v Speaker 1>In a dumpster at Heights Apartment building, police found a

748
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:33.960
<v Speaker 1>receipt from home Depot for Milwaukee sawzaw reciprocating saw, some

749
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:38.440
<v Speaker 1>clear plastic sheeting, extra large trash bags, black duct tape,

750
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.519
<v Speaker 1>and a carbide saw blade, all of which were allegedly

751
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:47.400
<v Speaker 1>delivered via door Dash, and they believe Wangel was killed

752
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.599
<v Speaker 1>between the third and the sixth. This DoorDash delivery took

753
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:54.000
<v Speaker 1>place on January fourth. Her remains have never been found.

754
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Dude, I'm telling you right now, if I'm the door

755
00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:00.400
<v Speaker 2>if I'm the dasher, and I yes, I'm sure people's

756
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.880
<v Speaker 2>like what door dash they do more than just food.

757
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:04.239
<v Speaker 2>They basically bring you anything.

758
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Now, apparently they bring you a murder kit and you order.

759
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Plastic sheeting, extra large trash bag tape, duct tape, and

760
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 2>the reciprocating saw and a heavy duty blade.

761
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:21.079
<v Speaker 1>I do not believe you were trying a home improvement

762
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>project out, bud.

763
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't believe that at all. This is a

764
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 2>murder kit.

765
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Kvv R reports that as saw blade found at the

766
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>apartment contained blood and bone fragments matching the victims DNA profile.

767
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Height had allegedly told interviewers that hen Wigel got into

768
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:41.760
<v Speaker 1>an argument on the Weygel one Wengle sorry on the

769
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:44.000
<v Speaker 1>morning of January fourth because he wanted to break up

770
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.679
<v Speaker 1>with her. He claimed he dropped her off at home. Afterwards.

771
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:51.800
<v Speaker 1>A judge did order a mental competcency exam for him

772
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 1>to determine whether he was competent to stand trial. He

773
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:59.239
<v Speaker 1>had a July fifteenth court appearance. Height pleaded not guilty

774
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:03.159
<v Speaker 1>to murder, evidence tampering, and giving false information to law enforcement,

775
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.280
<v Speaker 1>and will appear in court again on September third.

776
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 2>All right, but I'm.

777
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:13.199
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, How dumb are you? You're gonna door dash a

778
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:14.719
<v Speaker 1>murder kit to your house?

779
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, apparently this guy is that dumb, very dumb. Maybe

780
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:20.599
<v Speaker 2>he didn't do it.

781
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.920
<v Speaker 1>We have to discuss this because it just seems every day,

782
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, the world is going to hell and

783
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>handbasket Dylan, a seventy five year old man has been

784
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.639
<v Speaker 1>taken into custody and charged with murder and connection with

785
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:40.599
<v Speaker 1>the shooting of a construction worker. So this guy shot

786
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>a construction worker, Sala's Hen Rahan, who was aged twenty.

787
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:48.239
<v Speaker 1>The guy was shot in the chest and taken to

788
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:51.679
<v Speaker 1>the hospital where he was later pronounced dead. And this

789
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.679
<v Speaker 1>elderly man, this seventy five year old George Barr, after

790
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 1>shooting the man, took his dog for a walk.

791
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

792
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Neighbors heard the popping sound and then they saw the homeowner,

793
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>George Barr leaving the house to take the dog for

794
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 1>a walk. Inside the house, authorities found a rifle with

795
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.320
<v Speaker 1>a bayonet and a contractor bill for seventy thousand dollars.

796
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.880
<v Speaker 1>When Barr returned from walking his dog, he was arrested

797
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and taken into custody on charges of murder, possession of

798
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:26.280
<v Speaker 1>an instrument in a crime, and reckless endangerment. This man

799
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>was previously convicted of assault in nineteen eighty one. He

800
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.000
<v Speaker 1>is a retired firefighter and a Vietnam War a veteran.

801
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Han Rahan, a native of England, was the father of

802
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:41.559
<v Speaker 1>a baby girl. The Department of Homeland Security alleges he

803
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:44.639
<v Speaker 1>was part of a group that scams homeowners with overpriced

804
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and low quality construction or renovation projects, but police have

805
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>not released a motive in the shooting yet. They report

806
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that money might have been a factor. So this man

807
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 1>remains behind bars without bail. But you know, you just

808
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.840
<v Speaker 1>shoot someone and then take your dog on a lot.

809
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.639
<v Speaker 2>Your dog's got to go, and maybe you figure that

810
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to be there once you get back,

811
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:06.880
<v Speaker 2>like you might have to go to jail.

812
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Good grief. I just don't know how you can be

813
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:12.840
<v Speaker 1>so casual after you murder someone.

814
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm going to order.

815
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Door dash and I'm going to take my dog for

816
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>a walk. What is wrong with these people?

817
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I do not know what is wrong with these people

818
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.760
<v Speaker 2>that we live in a world some very strange crime.

819
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:29.559
<v Speaker 2>You just recounted their heather, Right.

820
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.519
<v Speaker 1>It's an odd week. Yeah, it's been a weird week, Dylan.

821
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, well, thank you for that. Thank you for that

822
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:41.280
<v Speaker 2>this sometime this week. I enjoyed it. And uh, yeah, well.

823
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I hope soon that we learn information about Nolan Wells's passing.

824
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:46.760
<v Speaker 2>I do too.

825
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I think I did see reports where like the Cajun

826
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Navy were kind of discussing some of the tides that

827
00:44:56.360 --> 00:45:00.519
<v Speaker 1>could have affected maybe like where his body was found

828
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>or drowning and that kind of.

829
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Thing to where he maybe went into the water. Okay, yeah,

830
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.920
<v Speaker 2>all right, well, yeah, that's pretty interesting when people get

831
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:10.960
<v Speaker 2>into the title currents.

832
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and speaking of that, I recently saw some new

833
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.800
<v Speaker 1>information they're trying to bring to light in the Scott

834
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Peterson case and they actually had some folks I guess

835
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:29.320
<v Speaker 1>who are mariners or who you know, discuss mariner issues

836
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 1>like tide charts and tie you know, tables and whatnot

837
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 1>that we're trying to say, like Lacy Peterson's body would

838
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.079
<v Speaker 1>have been dumped like in a completely different spot according

839
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 1>to the tides to wash up where it did.

840
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, so they're saying the cops had it wrong.

841
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Okay, so that'll be interesting. I know they're trying

842
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 1>to get him a new trial. They say they have

843
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<v Speaker 1>some new evidence, some new leads.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's funny about the public is everybody instantly

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<v Speaker 2>becomes an expert. Yes, because in this knowing case, I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen people saying that his friends violated marry tom law,

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<v Speaker 2>maritime law, marittime law by something that they did or

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do. And I'm just like, like.

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<v Speaker 1>You woulds an expert.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you've ever uttered those and people are just all

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<v Speaker 2>maritime law, maritime law, like you've ever uttered those words

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<v Speaker 2>a day in your life. And all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to die on this heel about something you

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<v Speaker 2>know absolutely nothing about until two seconds ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this idea, and it really seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>social media, I think is the driving factor. And we

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<v Speaker 1>should blame social media that now everyone thinks they're an

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<v Speaker 1>expert on all subjects all the time, and we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>people who are probably barely literate, it's true, are experts

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<v Speaker 1>on constitutional law, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Or the world economics or market supply and demand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like down, Martha, you can't even balance your check book.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw your photo posted at the grocery store that

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<v Speaker 1>we're not allowed to accept checks from you. So why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you be quiet?

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<v Speaker 2>Martha's on the wall of shame exactly, all right. So

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<v Speaker 2>I hope everyone enjoys the rest of their day, and

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<v Speaker 2>we will be back soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've got Larry Flint Part three.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Flint Part three.

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<v Speaker 1>Sad, we'll be dropping that soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye Dylan, Bye,