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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Dornick, founder and CEO of Pickax. An author and editor,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff published and co authored Church and State Now the

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<v Speaker 1>Left use the Church to Conquer America and social injustice,

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<v Speaker 1>exposing the false gospel of the social justice movement. His

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<v Speaker 1>forthcoming book, Following the Leader is currently available for pre order.

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<v Speaker 1>His website and we encourage you to check it out

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<v Speaker 1>is Pickaxe p c Kax dot app to learn so

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<v Speaker 1>much more as we'll be finding out about what Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>Dornick is all about. And Dornick is spelled do r nik. Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for being on the Doctor Sky experience. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate your time. I presume that you're on the West coast,

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<v Speaker 1>is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm out here in California, so it's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit earlier out here than for youself.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Absolutely, and it's always a prosing honor to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to people like yourself that bring to bring forth to

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<v Speaker 1>the audience here. So many topics about America and how

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<v Speaker 1>to keep us on the strait and not narrow, but

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<v Speaker 1>of course the wide expand that America has with its

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fiftyeth anniversary. Jeff, I got to begin

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<v Speaker 1>with tell us how you got started and what you do,

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<v Speaker 1>and then let's segue to your shows. And again the

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<v Speaker 1>main topic I think of this particular iteration, as we

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<v Speaker 1>call it an episode, is all about these picks, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>all about these flock cameras that we need to know

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<v Speaker 1>so much more about to tell about a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about yourself. How you got started?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. So I first got into podcasting actually back

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<v Speaker 2>in probably like twenty seventeen. I started a Christian show

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<v Speaker 2>called just called Conversations with Jeff. I would sit down

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd interview different pastors and theologians and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had that show for several years and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it builds it up, started a Christian podcast network, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I ended up having a job at an advertising

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<v Speaker 2>agency out of New York, and I was a VP

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<v Speaker 2>of operations. And then COVID hit and they locked everything down,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they let everybody go that wasn't actively working

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<v Speaker 2>on a campaign. And because you know, if you can't

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<v Speaker 2>have an author, how do you have a VP of operations?

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<v Speaker 2>So I ended up getting let go the day after

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<v Speaker 2>my birthday, which is when they locked down the entire

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<v Speaker 2>world pretty much in March of twenty twenty and so

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<v Speaker 2>that day I was supposed to interview a guy and

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<v Speaker 2>I called him. I was like, I got a cancel

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<v Speaker 2>because I just got lost my job, and he pitched

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<v Speaker 2>me on the idea of starting a political podcast network together,

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<v Speaker 2>which we did and then we built that up was

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<v Speaker 2>quite successful. It was called Freedom First Network. And then

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago I had the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>pitch an investor on an idea for a social media platform,

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<v Speaker 2>and the whole idea was building something that was truly

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<v Speaker 2>free speech, because I saw on x what was happening

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<v Speaker 2>with Elon purchasing Twitter and turning into x is. They

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<v Speaker 2>have a policy called freedom of speech, but not freedom

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<v Speaker 2>of reach, which means they'll let you say what you want,

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<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't mean that they actually have to let

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<v Speaker 2>anybody see it. So the idea for pickax was to

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<v Speaker 2>have a free speech social media plot as well as

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<v Speaker 2>one without algorithmic manipulation. And so I pitched it to

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<v Speaker 2>an investor, I got it fully funded, started building it out,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we officially launched it here in February. And

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<v Speaker 2>now we're growing by leaps and bounds and just continuing

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<v Speaker 2>to find technological solutions to different problems that we're facing,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in regards to freedom of speech and freedom of

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<v Speaker 2>reach and expression and all that so.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing, well congratulations on that as we bring you to

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<v Speaker 1>the vast audience here of talk radio seventy seven WABC,

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<v Speaker 1>around the nation and around the world. But some of

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<v Speaker 1>the interesting topics here, and I think this is important.

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<v Speaker 1>I throwed the question out always a question to the

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<v Speaker 1>audience to hear what they have to say, and what

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<v Speaker 1>we call a theater of the mind, and the question

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<v Speaker 1>once again is where do we draw the line between

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<v Speaker 1>public safety and government surveillance? And if I can take

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<v Speaker 1>the moment just to bring this into focus. Flox automated

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<v Speaker 1>license plate reader cameras are designed to help law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>identify stolen vehicles and solve crime, but critics warned the

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<v Speaker 1>technology technology excuse me, It can create searchable records of

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<v Speaker 1>people's movements and raise serious questions about privacy, data sharing,

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<v Speaker 1>and government overreach. Tell us more because the LAPD is

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to tell us, recently halted the use of

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<v Speaker 1>FLOCK cameras, and that's a big agency. And I'll jump

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<v Speaker 1>in later with some of my personal experiences in the

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<v Speaker 1>video surveillance world, believe it or not, Ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>please continue, Jeff, this is a fascinating story that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure affects so many people or soon will.

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<v Speaker 2>Right well, you know, it's it's really interesting, especially with

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<v Speaker 2>the flock cameras, because I've I've gone, I've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this on a variety of shows, and and the way

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<v Speaker 2>that especially talking with you know, some some people that

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<v Speaker 2>are in law enforcement as well as well as not,

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting because you can make the argument from both

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<v Speaker 2>the law enforcement perspective, which oftentimes is we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>keep people safe, we're trying to track the bad guys.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if there's a guy that steals a car,

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<v Speaker 2>we can immediately you know, hop on there using the

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<v Speaker 2>flock cameras and track it dow. And then there's the

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<v Speaker 2>other people that are obviously concerned about the constitutional rights

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<v Speaker 2>and privacy rights and the mass surveillance and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>So really the way the way to understand what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on with the flock cameras is, you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>basically like security cameras that are on steroids that are

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<v Speaker 2>tied in with artificial intelligence. And so if if you're

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<v Speaker 2>contracted let's say let's say with the city, then oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>they would have like a police you know, the police

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<v Speaker 2>department would have access to it. So if if there's

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<v Speaker 2>an identify, if there's identifying markers for a particular vehicle,

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<v Speaker 2>the police would be able to type in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when we're looking for a white truck with a with

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<v Speaker 2>a dent on the on the back of the truck

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<v Speaker 2>with this license plate, and they can use the artificial

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence in order to basically scan all the flock cameras

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<v Speaker 2>and be able to pinpoint either where it is or

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<v Speaker 2>see the route that it actually took. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from from that standpoint, you can see the the immediate

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<v Speaker 2>benefit to law enforcement on you know, a quick quicker

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<v Speaker 2>turn around time on tracking somebody down, being able to

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<v Speaker 2>actually investigate see where somebody actually went, and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>On the flip side, you start dealing with your right

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<v Speaker 2>to peaceably assembly, You start dealing with your privacy rights

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<v Speaker 2>and freedom of movement and all of that where you

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<v Speaker 2>could really see the potential harm and abuse of these

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<v Speaker 2>flot cameras. And I always use the example imagine, if

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because I live out here in California, where

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<v Speaker 2>we had the crazy lockdowns with under Gavin Newsom. Imagine

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<v Speaker 2>if Gavin Newsom had the ability of using these Flot

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<v Speaker 2>cameras during COVID where you know, they would have been

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<v Speaker 2>able to know immediately who was going where, where you are,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because there was a period of time where

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<v Speaker 2>you weren't even allowed to go out on the freeway

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<v Speaker 2>after a certain after a certain time at night unless

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<v Speaker 2>you were specifically going somewhere that was approved. Like imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>if you had the Flot cameras, they would know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where you went. That would deal with the contact tracing,

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<v Speaker 2>It would deal with are you breaking the lawn going

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<v Speaker 2>to church on Sunday? They would know who went where,

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<v Speaker 2>who was associated with who. It would have been just

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<v Speaker 2>mass tyranny and far worse than we even experienced.