1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: To join now and reserve your membership, go to Wolfgims 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,040 dot com. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,559 Speaker 2: You were listening to one oh three, nine and ninety 4 00:00:07,599 --> 00:00:11,679 eight three, the band part of Utah's ESPN Radio Network. 5 00:00:12,839 --> 00:00:15,240 Welcome back to this So March's right around the corner 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,600 and the Cougars. 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,519 Speaker 3: Are in the middle of it. 8 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: It's time to talk to some college basketball on Cougar 9 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:22,199 Sports with Ben Crittles. 10 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cougar Sports here on one O three 11 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,480 nine ninety eight three esp and the fan Ronald the 12 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,039 three and man wea we here rtt always bringing the 13 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,039 hammer by my side. So all, we've had a great 14 00:00:33,039 --> 00:00:34,799 show this far. We're gonna close it out because you 15 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,880 gotta get down a spring ball spring practice. But it 16 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,880 doesn't matter because I'm still gonna talk. BYU basketball is 17 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,280 March Madness season. BYU is going to the tournament once again. 18 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,960 They got an opportunity to make a good run with 19 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:51,960 that player named AJD Box. The guy on the line 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,880 said that he was very unselfish, and you're seeing that. 21 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,000 I think a lots of times people think these players 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,320 they got these egos, these personalities, But you know, I 23 00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:06,159 trust those who are former coaches, current coaches, all of 24 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:08,760 those connected with the program. And before we welcome to 25 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:11,319 byu grat In, I just wanted to remind people that 26 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:14,519 he said this way back earlier, before the season even started. 27 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:16,719 And you see how Aj is distributing. You see the 28 00:01:16,719 --> 00:01:19,879 porn forwardability that he's willing to give up a good 29 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:21,959 shot for a better shot and let his teammates thrive. 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,879 And I mean the connection between him a Dominie Diamanda. 31 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:25,519 Speaker 4: You're seeing that. 32 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,079 Speaker 1: So all of that, This segment going to be brought 33 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:31,120 to by Odion Menswear. That's odi In menswear dot com. 34 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,319 If you need an elevate suit game, you're heard braining 35 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:35,480 day last week. 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We got former Bye men's basketball head coach 47 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,120 Steve Cleveland on the line. Coach, thanks for joining me today. 48 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: Good to be with you. Exciting time to be involved 49 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,439 with college sports and with the n C two A 50 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,240 tournament and all the things going on. So yeah, great, 51 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,080 great to be here. 52 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,319 Speaker 1: What's your favorite time about March when you were a 53 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,680 coach and now is you know someone that you just 54 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,680 observe the game as a fan, what do you like 55 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:23,800 the most about the tournament? 56 00:02:25,039 --> 00:02:27,479 Speaker 3: You know, I think that when you've played in an 57 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,719 entire season and you've gone to your conference play, you've 58 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:35,759 gone to conference tournaments, and then you've qualified to play 59 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,360 in the n C two ways, they're just an energy. 60 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:44,919 There's an excitement from players, coaches, fans, everyone. I mean, 61 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,319 I think sometimes people think this is just a fan deal, 62 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,120 but I can't tell you the experiences that we had 63 00:02:51,159 --> 00:02:53,800 and we continue to watch and what we're about to 64 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,680 watch here with with with U I U and the 65 00:02:56,759 --> 00:03:00,240 n C two A Tournament. It's just a special of 66 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,960 the year. And I think I think there's a there's 67 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,400 a certain intensity that comes with the season and getting 68 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:10,560 to a position and getting to a place where you 69 00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:12,360 can get a seed and give me get the best 70 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,919 seed that you gan. The thing that I love about 71 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,879 this team, and you mentioned a couple of things, is 72 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:20,759 that there's just really a selfless team. That this team 73 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:25,439 is cohesive there together, And obviously kudos to the coaching 74 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:29,919 staff and everybody involved and helping develop and build that chemistry. 75 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:34,120 But I've watched most of the games and had opportunities 76 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,199 to kind of get an inside look to what's happening, 77 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,840 and I'm really excited about by U and where they're going. 78 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:44,000 And obviously we know they're going to be playing the 79 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,879 winner of Texas and North Carolina State, and we'll talk 80 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:50,159 a little bit about that. But I think that two 81 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:53,560 formidable folks and you know, names that have had a 82 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,560 lot of success but not great years this year. But 83 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:00,759 I think when you start looking at Texas and you know, 84 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,479 the first thing that jumps out at me when I 85 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,680 look at these games is that Sean Miller is the 86 00:04:07,719 --> 00:04:10,919 coach at Texas. It's in his first season. Sean Miller 87 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,319 coached at Arizona and he coached at Xavier. He just 88 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,480 had his five hundred twin his first season in the SEC. 89 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,360 Sean is a great coach and he's been in the 90 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,360 collegiate business for a long long time. When you can 91 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:29,279 win five hundred, five hundred games, and we'll maybe talk 92 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,959 a little bit about their players. But then I went 93 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:33,360 out to North Carolina State and a lot of people 94 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:35,879 may not know coach Will Wade. I happened to know 95 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,279 Will through another a couple of my coaching friends. He 96 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:44,439 was at McNee State LSU VCU and has had just 97 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:49,040 great success. And I think that you got two great 98 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:52,560 coaches that are going to just fight it out to 99 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:54,240 you know, to give it with a chance to go 100 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:56,879 to BYU. But I don't think you can sleep on 101 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,560 either one of these teams. Whoever wins, they're going to 102 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,839 be really prepared. And of course the next you know, 103 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:04,279 if you win that ball game, we're on the Goazaga 104 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:06,839 and kind of what happens there. So those are kind 105 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:09,120 of some of my initial thoughts. But just knowing the 106 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:12,759 coaches and knowing the success that they've had, these will 107 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:16,639 whether it's Texas or North Carolina State, these two teams 108 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:17,360 will be prepared. 109 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they definitely will. How tough is it to have 110 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,480 two scouts not ideal. Obviously want to know who you're playing, 111 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,639 but you just mentioned they could play either one of 112 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,560 these teams. They've both have lost five of their last six. 113 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:30,399 Do you have to mention that which you brought up 114 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:32,360 to struggling, But it doesn't matter. 115 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 4: This is March. Anybody can be anybody on any given night. 116 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:41,319 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Absolutely, it's kind of a new life. And you know, 117 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,839 sometimes it's injuries, sometimes it's just a long season. And 118 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:48,519 but you know, I think where we're at right now 119 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,480 is that everybody gets kind of a renewal. You know, 120 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,839 you're renewed about where we're going to go and what 121 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,959 the next step is going to be. And I don't 122 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,720 think anybody, I don't think b what you run now 123 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,959 is thinking about Gonzaga. They need to be thinking about 124 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,759 Texas and North Carolina State because you know, these are 125 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:07,040 two schools, very successful schools who didn't have great years 126 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,959 considering who they are and what they are. Not that 127 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,600 they don't have a good teams, they do, but they both, 128 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,680 like you said, lost five out of the last six. 129 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,800 That's you know, that's kind of not how you want 130 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,279 to finish the season out. But there's enough on their 131 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:24,920 resumes and the leagues that they play in that anytime 132 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,839 you tell me that Sean Miller and Will Wade are 133 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:30,000 going to be you're gonna have to coach against those guys. 134 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:37,000 That these are very, very experienced, successful coaches who have 135 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,079 good teams. They just didn't haven't had kind of the 136 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:42,279 teams that they've had in the past. Hence that's why 137 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,399 they're in the eleven seed playing game. But I expect 138 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:48,120 and I don't think anybody can sleep on either one 139 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,600 of these teams or coaches. I think it's going to 140 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:52,279 be a heck of a game. I do. I do 141 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,959 feel like BYU is playing better than they've ever played defensively, 142 00:06:57,439 --> 00:07:00,160 which I think is a big part of preceding and 143 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:03,000 going forth in the tournament. So I think defensively they're 144 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,639 rarely there. They you know, they they've got the best 145 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:11,079 player in the country playing aj debatsa who just continues 146 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:16,439 to improve and get better, so selfless, great teammate, and 147 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:20,040 they have this team really has great chemistry. And you know, 148 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,639 we often talk about Richie and now being there, but 149 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,319 I think A J and Rob Wright have stepped in 150 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,360 there and helped out with that chemistry. And the things 151 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,040 that Richie Saunders used to always bring to the table. 152 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,839 But I'm like, I'm liking this, this this matchup for 153 00:07:36,959 --> 00:07:40,279 by U. But again, you can't sleep on two hall 154 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:42,920 of fame kite coaches who are going to be prepared. 155 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: Well, we currently, I think, in my opinion, you know 156 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:47,720 we we we have a great Hall of fame coach 157 00:07:47,759 --> 00:07:49,360 in the line of self one hundred and thirty eight 158 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:52,480 wins Doug Deny that he's been to the Big Dance 159 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,519 four times. It's hard to get to the Big Dance. 160 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,279 So when you look at that, you got to give 161 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:58,920 your yourself a lot of credit to coach you know, 162 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:00,680 you did a lot of good things career. Look, I 163 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,959 always tell people my mom, you know, I came from 164 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,279 military parents and you know, a little bit of a 165 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:08,199 tougher community in Chicago. She says, Remember your roots, boy, 166 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,920 I remember the people that got and sacrificed and paved 167 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,000 the way for you to be here. 168 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,199 Speaker 4: I was like, you're right, yes, ma'am. And b what 169 00:08:14,279 --> 00:08:15,240 you basketball is. 170 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: In this position because of everything that you accomplished. Coach Rose, 171 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,800 who was under you, you know, even coach Mark Polpe, 172 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:25,079 like b Yu gets a player like agent de Boxon 173 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,680 because of you flag staffing, you know, and starting this 174 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:29,160 whole thing. 175 00:08:30,439 --> 00:08:33,039 Speaker 4: You know, I just I never want to overlook those times. 176 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,279 Speaker 3: Well you know what I think anytime you can be involved. 177 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,159 And obviously we're talking about BO. But I when I 178 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,799 was coaching at Fresno State with Paul George, it was 179 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,759 a very similar situation with an Aj and of Paul George, 180 00:08:47,039 --> 00:08:50,399 very similar type players, and it just came into my 181 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,200 mind that he was a young man that uh, you know, 182 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,759 I loved him coaching for four years and maybe my 183 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:00,279 life will lease you. But at the end of the day, Uh, 184 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,799 he's another young man that I that I love and 185 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,759 appreciate and and and it's what AJ and Rob and 186 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:08,679 all of the all the great players that have come 187 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,000 to be YU and uh, it's just between players and coaches, 188 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,360 the success of the those that have gone before us 189 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,159 and those that are playing now. Uh, there's a pride here, 190 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:27,000 proud heridage here with b YU basketball, and UH, I 191 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:30,720 love where they are today. And I wish Dawson Baker 192 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,240 had been healthy, you know, I wish right Richie Saunders 193 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,600 would have been healthy. But you know, kudos to the 194 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,120 guys that stepped up and have you know, kind of 195 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,120 found a way. Whether it's a demande or my boot 196 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,399 or Boskovitch caustic, you know, whatever, the circumstances were, the 197 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,519 guys who were on the sidelines and not playing a 198 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:52,440 lot and now being asked to really make a contribution 199 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,399 and and be where they need to be. 200 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: We'll get to Dawson Baker in a second. I'm going 201 00:09:56,639 --> 00:09:58,840 to ask you a question about Dawson Baker in just 202 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:01,759 a second. But you bring up Boot, you bring up Diamande, 203 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:05,360 two guys that have now entered the rotation. If you 204 00:10:05,399 --> 00:10:07,240 get to know their ministry, amazing. What do you like 205 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,080 about both of those those skill sets? They both add 206 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,039 something different to the table. But they got so much 207 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,159 lenked in athleticism. 208 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: Oh that was gonna be the first thing out of 209 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:20,840 my mouth. It's just the length and the athleticism and 210 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:23,919 the desire and the intensity which stay play. They don't 211 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,799 take possessions off, you know. I mean, you're they're around 212 00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:30,919 the rim, they're diving on the floor for loose balls, 213 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,679 they're contesting shots, they're finishing around the rim, they're making 214 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,639 free throws, things that they you know, literally, you know, 215 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:42,159 you go back for three or four months, I'm not 216 00:10:42,159 --> 00:10:44,440 sure that any of those guys are playing. You know, 217 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,639 when you consider who's hurt and who's out and what's 218 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,120 going on, you know, they would just be role players 219 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:51,639 and have their chance next year. Now they're being called 220 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:57,120 upon to take big time minutes and play where you know, 221 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:01,279 the theater is amazing here with the tournament. I mean, 222 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,039 so you've got to give great deal. And and I 223 00:11:04,639 --> 00:11:08,200 really applaud the coaching staff, that entire coaching staff that 224 00:11:08,279 --> 00:11:11,960 are working with these guys and spending time, you know, 225 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,039 working out in the practice facility and getting better, knowing 226 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,759 that maybe they weren't ever going to play. And now 227 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:23,480 all of a sudden we see that caustic Boskovich, Mabu 228 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:29,320 Dimande mad Now they are part of this rotation and 229 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,440 it's not anything I don't think anybody expected that, but 230 00:11:32,879 --> 00:11:35,840 they've prepared themselves for that. And a lot of that 231 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,279 has goes to assistant coaches. I think a lot of 232 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,759 times assistant coaches don't get you know, the credit, maybe 233 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:44,480 do credit publicly, not not the saying that the head 234 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,279 coaches don't do they do that, but I think for 235 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,840 the public, a lot of the public don't know some 236 00:11:49,879 --> 00:11:52,440 of these assistant coaches, but the fact is they're kind 237 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,559 of the foundation to this thing as well in terms 238 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,039 of preparing and getting making players better. 239 00:11:57,919 --> 00:12:02,879 Speaker 1: Definitely does any does uh Diamande thees you know, Hadeem 240 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,120 reminds you of a you know, a certain player on 241 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:09,399 your roster during that time that was just gritty. I mean, 242 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,360 I can't bring up Travis Hands because we know he 243 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,639 was just he was just a bucket like you know, 244 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,639 but anytime, like I get the chance to highlight th 245 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:18,000 h I will. But no, anybody when you were coaching 246 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,799 that reminded you of of their skill set and just 247 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,440 brought that defensive intissiti and and energy. 248 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,519 Speaker 3: You know, I think that. Yeah, So when I when 249 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:29,639 I think back to b y U and I and 250 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,000 I think about the intensity and when we first got there, 251 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:37,000 you know, it was a total rebuild and uh, but 252 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,200 I do think of a young man by the name 253 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,600 of Tarrell to Day and uh who just got stuff 254 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,279 done and it was just an intense competitor. And I'm 255 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,399 and m Kelly Wesley was the same way that Mi 256 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:53,159 Kelly doesn't have the skills, the athleticism, but I would 257 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,200 take those two guys, I'd pick those two guys first 258 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,399 any year I was coaching. I mean, they they knew 259 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,159 how to win. And when there weren't the resources back 260 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,559 then that they are there are today, there just weren't 261 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,639 a lot of things that didn't exist. And yes, kudos 262 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,279 to the coaches that you know, we got them there 263 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,759 and it happened. But honestly, if it's this whole foundation 264 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:20,080 of this program around now is centered around Mkelly Wesley 265 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,480 and his start there and then everybody else that we 266 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:26,679 just talked about, you know, I mean mcklly was a 267 00:13:26,799 --> 00:13:29,840 foundation of something that was going to be better. And 268 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,759 it was hard, you know, coming in there with one 269 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,919 win and then the next year seven or eight, the 270 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,519 next year twelve. I mean, it is exhausting going through 271 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:42,879 that gauntlet. But it certainly was a couple of those 272 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:45,399 young men that really made a difference and laying a 273 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,159 foundation for what we're seeing today. 274 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mkelly West of the ap All American Honible mentioned 275 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,200 in two thousand and twenty one the Provo product. 276 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,799 Speaker 4: Gotta love Provo High School. 277 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,919 Speaker 1: I mean, the great Chris Collinsworth just captured the state 278 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,480 title as a coach as a player, so you got 279 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,799 to always highlight the local product. The local product is nice. 280 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,559 And I know Dean and Will are going to be 281 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,120 joining Will. I think he's going on a mission. I 282 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:11,600 think that's coming right away. What do you like about 283 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:13,639 what they're adding to b YU from the recruiting front, 284 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,360 I always love the local product. The ajs are nice, 285 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:19,039 but the local you can't over You can't overlook what 286 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:19,960 you got in your back door. 287 00:14:21,039 --> 00:14:23,919 Speaker 3: No, And I you know, I had a grandson that 288 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,639 played at tim f You, so I saw every game 289 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,039 and uh, the most gut wrenching I've ever experienced as 290 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,759 a coach or a player. Well, because I mean, I 291 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:37,200 love this tim Few team and Dean obviously was a 292 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,639 big part of that and and just played at a 293 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:42,159 very high level. He'll be at b YU next year 294 00:14:42,759 --> 00:14:44,279 and the big fellow, I think is going on a 295 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,159 mission and he'll come back. But when when I when 296 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,679 I look at those teams, uh, and they are local 297 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,600 young men and local coaches. It was just one of 298 00:14:55,639 --> 00:14:57,759 the best experiences of my life to watch his team. 299 00:14:58,039 --> 00:14:59,960 It was heartbreaking to see them lose and a play 300 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:02,639 off game when I think everybody felt like they were 301 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,519 probably the best team on paper, but that that stuff happens, 302 00:15:06,919 --> 00:15:09,759 but I do, I do love that group. It was 303 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:14,960 just such good chemistry, good coaching, and it took us. 304 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,879 I know it took my family and my grandson and 305 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,200 his family. It took us about a week or two 306 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,039 to just get our breath and go, my gosh, what 307 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:25,960 just happened. But that's part of sport, and sometimes it 308 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:28,159 doesn't go like you'd like it to go. But I 309 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,600 think Dean is a young man. And I remember sitting 310 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:35,120 with coach watching a game, and you know, he talked 311 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,600 to me a little bit about, say, he wasn't sure 312 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:39,879 that he was going to be willing to defend and 313 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,399 guard that like he needed to because they know he's 314 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,480 coming in immediately. And you know, I saw Coach he said, 315 00:15:47,559 --> 00:15:49,600 you know a few weeks later and he said, you know, 316 00:15:49,799 --> 00:15:53,480 I'm he's guarding and he's defending, and I feel really 317 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,000 good about where he's at. And he'll get stronger in 318 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,720 the light room, will get make him better and all 319 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:00,279 those kinds of things. But he's a very talented player. 320 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:03,879 He's got deep range. Hell, you know, again, there's a 321 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:07,480 it's a big jump from Tempu High School to jumping 322 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,000 into a Division one situation where the competition and the 323 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,279 coaching everything's a little bit different. But Dean has natural abilities. 324 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:19,360 He's really really athletic, and Bouncy got a great stroke 325 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,399 and seems to love the game, and so he's going 326 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,879 to be there. The big fellow will come back and 327 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,960 I think, to be honest with you, in two years. 328 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:27,879 Speaker 1: Uh. 329 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: You know a lot of these young men go through 330 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,360 these mission, go to missions, and come back and it 331 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,120 takes a little bit to get back into it. But 332 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,960 I think both of these players from timp you highroll, 333 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,159 go play out and be very successful. 334 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: If you like you, I'm excited to watch him, you know, 335 00:16:43,559 --> 00:16:45,720 Dean come in next year and contribute right away. I 336 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:47,879 think you will think he'll be in the rotation and 337 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:50,759 excited for Will after he's don't his church service mission 338 00:16:50,799 --> 00:16:53,240 to come back, come back and play as well. 339 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:54,639 Speaker 4: I said, I was gonna ask about it here. It 340 00:16:54,759 --> 00:16:55,960 is Dawson Baker. 341 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: They said on Bayu TV earlier in the season that 342 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,759 if Dawson Baker wants to come back for another year, 343 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:03,039 he can, that is eligible for him to do. 344 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 4: How crucial do you feel that is? 345 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,799 Speaker 1: Look, Richie's leaving right you know, we don't know what's 346 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:10,319 going to happen in the offseason if people are going 347 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,599 to stay. But I feel a guy like Dawson who 348 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,640 they liked and was playing so well, and I hate 349 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,279 the injury bug. You feel like you need that guy 350 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,880 Steven a way to be honestly a little bit of 351 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,720 the heartbeat, like Richie is for next season. 352 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: Oh that was a huge loss, you know. And he's 353 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,200 so crafty. He just he gets into scenes, he makes 354 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,640 the extra pass, he does things that really there's no 355 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,680 one like Dawson Baker on this roster right now. You know, 356 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:41,359 he just has the creativity and when he got hurt, 357 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,079 and you know, he's kind of a Irvine guy. I 358 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,279 always have kind of a connection because I played down 359 00:17:46,319 --> 00:17:48,400 there and he lived down there and played down there, 360 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,519 and so I watched Dawson and I thought, oh my gosh, 361 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:55,759 this young man has something that doesn't exist on the team. 362 00:17:55,799 --> 00:17:58,160 You know. He's one of those guys that can just 363 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,000 slither through things and get to the rim and knock 364 00:18:01,079 --> 00:18:03,960 down deep threes and uh, you know, and not not 365 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,119 necessarily the most athletic person in the world, but a really, 366 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,400 really high IQ. And if they can get him back 367 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,920 next year, I will be shocked if they don't take him. 368 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,400 I mean, honestly, if he the same thing with Richie Richie, 369 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:21,039 both of those players have been you know, healthy and 370 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:23,920 able to play, they would have been playing. But I 371 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,039 think to be able to get Dawson Banker back, Wow, 372 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,160 that's that's an immediate yes for me. Sixty four, you know, 373 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,960 fifth year senior. And if he's healthy and ready, I 374 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:39,920 mean he just what he does, he makes you have 375 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:43,359 to respect him, and it opens the floor for everybody. 376 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,160 When you've got a guy out there at twenty two 377 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:48,920 twenty three feet knocking down threes and then really crafty 378 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:51,759 in and around the rim when guys close out to him, 379 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:56,559 that would be a great recruit. Even though it's just 380 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,319 a one year get. I got to believe that he's 381 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,960 gonna make by you better if in fact he's healthy 382 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:03,480 and can do it. 383 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, if he's healthy, con do it, no doubt about it. 384 00:19:05,759 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: Anytime a guy is give you seven points a game 385 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,119 off the bench, shoots forty six percent from the field, 386 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:15,279 almost thirty forty percent from the three, and you think 387 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:17,359 about guys shooting at a high clip like mean lan 388 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,200 My Chiliwrich at Iowa State and he's not that. But 389 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,400 when you're shooting forty percent from three and that's good 390 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,319 and eighty percent from the charity stride, A coach is 391 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,400 never going to tell you no. You're always going to 392 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,119 get a yes in my in my opinion, here with 393 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,240 former BYU head coach Steve Cleveland on the line, coach, 394 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,559 a couple last things and then we'll let you go. 395 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,480 We appreciate your time today. Texas n C State. How 396 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:40,200 do you see that one plan out? I think the 397 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:42,240 six to eleven match will be tough regardless of who 398 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,720 they face. I am picking BYU to get through the 399 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:47,359 first game. But what do you have in stort tonight? 400 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,039 Who do you think their opponent will be on Thursday? 401 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: You know, I kind of feel like Sean Miller in Texas. 402 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,000 I mean, the every nine in nine, eighteen and fourteen, 403 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:00,640 that's not a great year of I mean he's only 404 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,160 been there. I mean, here's the guy that won five 405 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,240 hundred games, but you know, he's just recently has gotten there. 406 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,079 And it is kind of a tough pick. But I 407 00:20:08,319 --> 00:20:11,000 like Texas and I like Sean Miller, and I like 408 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:14,440 that that they've they've got some size. You know, they 409 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:19,240 swayed six eight junior average at eighteen. Rocrides is the 410 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:23,079 seventh foot sophomore averaging sixty. They've got four guys iverage eighteen, sixteen, 411 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,480 fourteen and fourteen. You know, the one thing in NC 412 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:30,039 State does have is they've got seven seniors and three juniors. 413 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,920 And coach will Wade. Coach Will Wade is I've washed him. 414 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,039 I've gotten that. I got to know him through another friend. 415 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:42,799 And they they've got they've got size too. And you're 416 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:46,559 looking at Copeland at sixty six fourteen seven assists, McNeil 417 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,839 sixty five fourteen and four van Lubin sixty nine fourteen 418 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,599 and seven Darren, So you've got consistent scoring here. And 419 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,000 but you know you say that, you mentioned it, and 420 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,000 I'll mention it again. They have lost five out of 421 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:05,240 the last six. Now. The one thing that the Braydon 422 00:21:05,279 --> 00:21:08,920 Huff who did get hurt, really hurts them. But I 423 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,839 I see them playing. I see them when he missed 424 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:16,160 and playing his aggs and uh and then that would 425 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,400 be a great match up in Portland. A very tough 426 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,720 team to play, but it is fun to cee by 427 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:26,640 you playing them. And where it goes, I tell you 428 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,799 it's kind of some local things here. You're a Kansas 429 00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:32,799 playing in Utah Valley, you know. Uh and in my 430 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,599 alma mater. You see I playing at Nebraska number three 431 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,799 Nebraska and Utah State. I like Utah State there, you know, 432 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,039 eight and nine matchup there. It just seems like every 433 00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:47,599 year in Utah State's really good. So with you, I'll 434 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,039 share one thing with you. I was I was just 435 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,640 reading some things this morning, and they're talking about the 436 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,720 East region of the n C two as. Here are 437 00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:03,279 these John I'm shire Rick Patino, Saint John's Bill Soelth Kansas, 438 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,759 Tom is On, Michigan State, Nick Cron and U C 439 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,240 l A. Dan Herd, the Yukon. They're all in one reach. 440 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,720 That is, any one of those teams. Any one of 441 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,559 those teams can win a national championship. 442 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: Oh man, you mentioned all those great and look that's 443 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,079 why I'm glad b Yu can't play one. See see 444 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,359 what happens when you're blessed, when you play pay eleven 445 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,200 percent tithing and you and your honor the Sabbath day, 446 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,079 you see what happens. Look, I know i'd be a 447 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,640 tongue in cheap, but no, that's the blessing of not 448 00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:31,640 having to play you know, and uh, you know the 449 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,519 Friday Sunday because they by could only have gone to 450 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,559 the west of the South and they did not have 451 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:37,519 those regions. 452 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 3: I'll ask you, did you remember when b YU when 453 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,400 they put us in a bracket that we had to play. 454 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 4: Friday said, I do remember that. 455 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 3: I do remember that. That was crazy and that was crazy. 456 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,599 Speaker 4: Hey, and I think they've learned their lesson ever since. 457 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:52,920 They never gave they have. 458 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: It should because b YU is really good and it 459 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,079 has been really good for a long time, so they 460 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:01,480 can't make those kind of mistakes. 461 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 4: No, you can't, coach. We'll get you out of here 462 00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:04,000 on this. 463 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,039 Speaker 1: Do you do you have this team getting to the 464 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:09,559 sweet sixteen second Zaga old w CCFO. That would be 465 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,240 grateful for BYU fans to beat them on what is 466 00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:13,680 going to be a home game for them. It's an 467 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,960 hour away from the Motor Center. But to advance to 468 00:23:16,039 --> 00:23:17,480 the second Wini do you see that happening? 469 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:21,519 Speaker 3: That's all I'm thinking about. Man, you know what, we 470 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:25,000 can overanalyze this thing, but I love BYU playing the 471 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:29,440 Zags having an opportunity to move forward and they've they've 472 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,000 had some health issues as well and some injuries. But 473 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,720 we know what Gonzaga is and the traditions they've had 474 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:40,440 for years and just great coaching and great players. But 475 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,079 I think this is a different BYU team than it 476 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,279 was ten years, ten ten games ago. I think it's 477 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:50,920 a team that comes prepared, is ready, and defends from 478 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,680 the get go and plays with the passion. And like 479 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,079 you know, we both mentioned, you're you're now talking about 480 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:03,680 getting your contributions from Boskovich, Bum damn d that Thoth 481 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,599 players really didn't have much of a role in this 482 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:09,759 in you know, the first half of the season, they 483 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,279 just didn't They weren't ready. And then with injuries, guys 484 00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:15,000 got you know, all of a sudden, Baker's gone and 485 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,279 and you're you're you're looking at this thing and saying, honey, 486 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,000 who were going to replace? She can't replace Richie Saunders. Nope. 487 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,759 But I think what's happened now over time, uh, is 488 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,759 the team's gotten better. Yeah, And so I can't wait 489 00:24:28,839 --> 00:24:30,240 to watch. You know, they got to take care of 490 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:34,000 business first, yep, But I like, b why you're beating Gonzaga. 491 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: I really do got to take care of business. Thursday, 492 00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:39,160 Texas That's why I have him played as well. Doesn't matter. 493 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,359 Two great coaches, two great programs, length size, athleticism, one 494 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,039 game at a time. But you get Thursday, then you 495 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,680 move on to Saturday. Maybe that And for Kevin Young 496 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:49,960 to go back to back years and the Sweet sixteen 497 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:51,920 as a second year head coach, I don't know what 498 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:53,240 else you can ask one. 499 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 4: Look it's Martin. 500 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 3: I'll just say this, kuduz to Kevin Young and his 501 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:02,440 staff and you know, obviously they're are outstanding coaches, but man, 502 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,920 they're even better people and they're good for student athletes. 503 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,440 And she's I just love everything that they've done. That's 504 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,400 the two years they've been here, and uh, it's just 505 00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:17,039 everybody together in United and I just love the way 506 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:21,119 he approaches his players and his coaches and how everything's 507 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,279 dealt with. It's just I'm proud to to, you know, 508 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,680 to be a big fan of Kevin and his staff 509 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,759 and by U and so can't wait to see the 510 00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:33,319 games get started and we'll see hopefully it's a good 511 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,920 couple of weeks when we find ourselves in another Sweet sixteen. 512 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 4: A coach, appreciate your tom today. 513 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: Hopefully you can make it out to Portland if not 514 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,359 San Jose, California, if they make it. 515 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,839 Speaker 3: Sarahse I mean Santase, I'm there. 516 00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, well there you go. 517 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 3: There we go. Okay. 518 00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 4: Coach, we appreciate you. You have a good day. We'll 519 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:52,680 catch up with you soon. 520 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Bye bye. 521 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:58,039 Speaker 1: That was coach Steve Cleveland, a former BIYA men's basketball 522 00:25:58,039 --> 00:25:59,880 head coach. A lot of great tidbits. Hope you guys 523 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:01,880 joined that interview as much as I did. I wish 524 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,759 Steve and I have more time. We could probably go 525 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:06,920 for another ten to fifteen minutes. Always appreciate him joining 526 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,200 the program. Guys, that's our show. We got to get 527 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,160 the spring practice. We got to end the show. But 528 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,119 appreciate everybody to join this. Jared Bletsoe Utah Protective Films, 529 00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:16,480 Sean Walker of kisl dot com and The Cougar Beat 530 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,160 by Central Garage, Utah. That was Steve Cleveland in a 531 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,359 Basketball PA Basketball second with Odion Men's where appreciate Brett 532 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,119 always bringing the hammer, showing up and showing out. 533 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:26,519 Speaker 4: Vic Cramlin Day Aggregation. 534 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:31,079 Speaker 1: Ben Kurt will be back tomorrow recap springball, what we saw, 535 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,279 who we caught up with all of our interviews, Ben 536 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,880 Crittle is having an interview with Pockey