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<v Speaker 1>When Kelly Gene Warner stopped responding to messages in the

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<v Speaker 1>spring of twenty nineteen, no alarms were raised. Her life

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<v Speaker 1>had been unstable for years and long absences, while they

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<v Speaker 1>were nothing new to the people who cared about her.

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<v Speaker 1>She lived in the margins, She relied on shelters, and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes disappeared for weeks. But this time, well, Kelly wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>simply going quiet again. You see, Kelly was already dead

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<v Speaker 1>inside a small Michigan apartment, and in the end, it

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<v Speaker 1>would take just one concerned phone call to police to

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<v Speaker 1>unravel the gruesome truth of her dismembered body and the

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<v Speaker 1>man responsible for hiding it. This is the story of

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly gen Warner.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. The following bonds material intended more matual audience listener

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<v Speaker 1>discretion is It's been twenty twenty six for two days.

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<v Speaker 1>Stranger Things finale has dropped, and I've already consumed enough

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<v Speaker 1>calories to feed a small village. We're off to quite

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<v Speaker 1>the start.

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<v Speaker 2>It hasn't been that bad, has it.

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<v Speaker 1>I I've consumed a lot too much. I need to

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<v Speaker 1>get back into healthy lifestyle living.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, I know. I think it's still that

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<v Speaker 2>little cuspol where a lot of people are probably still

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<v Speaker 2>off and kind of living the holiday life. And Monday

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<v Speaker 2>will be the real reality check. I'm I'm going with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so too. It's the beginning of the reality check,

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<v Speaker 1>but the reality check will finally I think land on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right, but my reality check has come

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<v Speaker 1>with my stomach being alarmed with everything that's been my

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<v Speaker 1>reality check. It's screaming at me. I need vegetables and water.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. Yeah, we probably actually need to do

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<v Speaker 2>a vegetable grocery shop, don't we.

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<v Speaker 1>We do, although we do have a lot of Brussels

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<v Speaker 1>sprouts still in the fridge.

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<v Speaker 2>We do. We both bought a pack of those, thinking

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<v Speaker 2>we needed them, so.

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<v Speaker 1>We got the double amount, which means, hey, just more veggies.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I need to point something out though, that is

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<v Speaker 2>way better. One year, remember we both bought Bailey's or

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<v Speaker 2>Carolands I think yeah, and spiced rum yep. So this

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<v Speaker 2>year we both bought Brussels sprouts, So that is like

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<v Speaker 2>a move in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true because I think it was last year you

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<v Speaker 1>bought a big bottle of Irish cream and a small

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of round. I bought a big bottle of rum

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<v Speaker 1>and a small bottle of Island Irish cream.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So now this year, Yeah, we doubled up. We are

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<v Speaker 1>doing good. Twenty twenty six is our year. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>how you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I think that's a big improvement.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, no kidding. Wow, Okay, well that wasn't planned, but

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<v Speaker 1>I like it. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben's in a good mood.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm in a good mood. My stomach's still pissed,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm in a good mood. But yeah, hopefully you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are having a good start to your new year.

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<v Speaker 1>Just remember, though, no pressure. The new Year's just another day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just another year. Do you don't feel pressure from

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<v Speaker 1>reality and society to change, to be different? Be you,

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<v Speaker 1>be the healthiest and best you you can be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can have that fresh start literally anytime of

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<v Speaker 2>the year. So you're not ready, You're not ready.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, And right now I'm not ready to

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<v Speaker 1>not be drinking my coffee and switching to water just yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get this down.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you that could be a definite goal for you

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<v Speaker 2>is to drink more water. Like I gave you a

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<v Speaker 2>cup of water yesterday. Is that all the water you drink?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Okay, I thought I only had one cup of

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<v Speaker 1>water yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you to bits, but I wouldn't be surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy crap, all right, I mean I'm a dehydrated individual,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not that dehydrated.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, geez, well, I know you had other liquids, but

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<v Speaker 2>was that your only like physical water?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I had more water than that. Okay, more physical water.

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<v Speaker 2>I did a hand that you obviously could not see,

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<v Speaker 2>but Ben had to reiterate yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Mock well, I think we're getting off the rails. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not the way to start a new year. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we should get more into the case of Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>Gene Warner. This is it's a case I had a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of difficulty finding information on, but I did

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<v Speaker 1>find a couple of good re sources. It is one

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<v Speaker 1>hell of a case, I'll say that, And it is

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<v Speaker 1>one hell of a story. There is bodycam footage that

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<v Speaker 1>shows a lot of this, So a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>information that I have comes from that. You know police

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<v Speaker 1>footage going through much of the initial investigation. Let's put

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<v Speaker 1>it that way, okay, and questioning that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and didn't you warn me it's a little bit nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit on the graphic side. For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I do tone down some of the graphic details. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't explored a whole lot, so I wouldn't say it's

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<v Speaker 1>like more graphic than many of our cases that we cover, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but the context is certainly there. So if you let

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<v Speaker 1>your imagination wander on those details, yeah, it'll certainly be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more. Let's put it that.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So you ready for this, sure? Okay, Well do it? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I got the whole like warm up intro here for you,

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<v Speaker 1>the breakdown of the story as it's going to start.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was close to midnight on May twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, in the quiet area of Sturgis, Michigan. This

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood was well. It was broken the silence by a

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<v Speaker 1>knock at the door. It was inside a small apartment

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<v Speaker 1>on North Maple Street where Wade Allen, then thirty nine

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<v Speaker 1>years old, was initially asleep. He was woken up and

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<v Speaker 1>he'd only recently settled into this place after a stretch

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<v Speaker 1>of homelessness, and by all outward appearance, well it was

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<v Speaker 1>an ordinary night for him. There was no flashing lights

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<v Speaker 1>or shouting that alluded to the officers standing in the

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<v Speaker 1>hallway of his apartment waiting for him to answer the door.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Wade finally opened up, he looked groggy and

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<v Speaker 1>very confused, like someone pulled out a sleep too fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the officers were calm, and they weren't there to

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<v Speaker 1>arrest him. They explained they were looking for a woman

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<v Speaker 1>named Kelly, or someone maybe who went by the name

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberly or maybe kJ someone Wade might know from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>past stints at staying in shelters. Now, at first they

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<v Speaker 1>questioned him and why it took him so long and

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<v Speaker 1>to the door. He explained, you know, he was sleeping,

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<v Speaker 1>he had to get dressed. Sure, it makes sense, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were trying to find a woman by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Kelly Jen Warner. Now, at that moment, nothing about

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<v Speaker 1>the interaction suggested what was to come. This wasn't framed

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<v Speaker 1>as a murder investigation. It wasn't even a missing person's

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<v Speaker 1>case at this point in the traditional sense. It was

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<v Speaker 1>more of a welfare check prompted by a phone call

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<v Speaker 1>that hadn't yet been explained to Wade. The officers simply

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<v Speaker 1>knocked on the door, were greeted, and said that they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to make sure that Kelly jen Warner wasn't inside

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<v Speaker 1>his apartment. Now, Wade explained that he hadn't actually seen

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly in months. Initially, he was confused with the name,

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<v Speaker 1>and it took him a minute to really register who

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<v Speaker 1>they were talking about. So last he had heard, he

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<v Speaker 1>said she was in another town called Kalamazoo. He spoke slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>almost confused, even almost like he was inconvenienced more than

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<v Speaker 1>anything else. If the officers wanted to track down, he

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<v Speaker 1>suggested they'd try the shelters that's where she usually stayed.

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<v Speaker 1>But standing in the doorway, the officers didn't leave. They

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<v Speaker 1>asked if they could come inside just to look around,

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<v Speaker 1>just to verify that she wasn't there. Now, Wade hesitated,

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<v Speaker 1>he's standing there, humming and high. Well, I don't really know,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, it was late. He said his place was messy.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't like people coming in unannounced. He said maybe

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow morning, if you come back, then you can come check.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean nothing he said was illegal, but none

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<v Speaker 1>of it quite fit the situation either. The officers explained

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<v Speaker 1>him there were two options. Number one, they could detain

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<v Speaker 1>him and then leave and apply for the search warrant,

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<v Speaker 1>which wouldn't take long. Or Wade couldn't let them step inside,

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick look and prove what he claimed that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, she wasn't there, and then they could

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<v Speaker 1>just be done with it. After a little while, Wade

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<v Speaker 1>eventually let them step inside, knowing that he had no

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<v Speaker 1>other option, and with that, the night and the case

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<v Speaker 1>began to move in a direction that no one could

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<v Speaker 1>have predicted. To understand why the knock on Wade Alan's

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<v Speaker 1>door came so late, and why it came so quietly,

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<v Speaker 1>you first have to understand Kelly Gene Warner now most

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<v Speaker 1>people called her kJ. She was forty two years old.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a mother and a grandmother, and for much

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<v Speaker 1>of her adult life she lived on the margins of society.

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<v Speaker 1>kJ moved in and out of shelters, bounced between couches

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<v Speaker 1>and temporary housing, and spent long stretches without a permanent address.

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<v Speaker 1>She struggled with diabetes and other health issues, and she

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<v Speaker 1>also dealt with mental health challenges that made stability very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to maintain. Disappearing for days or even weeks wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>exactly unusual for her. Friends and family knew this pattern

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<v Speaker 1>quite well, and after a while she would resurface one again,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes even in another town. It wasn't that people didn't

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<v Speaker 1>care about her, It was just that Kj's life didn't

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<v Speaker 1>follow the kind of predictable routine that triggers immediate alarm

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<v Speaker 1>when someone goes no contact for a while. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>reality mattered more than anyone realized at the time, because

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<v Speaker 1>there were no frantic early calls to police when she

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<v Speaker 1>stopped showing up or stopped answering messages. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>organized searches, no urgent press releases to the outside world.

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<v Speaker 1>kJ had simply drifted again, the way she had done

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<v Speaker 1>so many times before. But drifting and disappearing didn't define

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<v Speaker 1>KG or who she was. She was also a very

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<v Speaker 1>deeply kind person. People knew her through the shelter system

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<v Speaker 1>and remembered her as someone who looked out for others

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<v Speaker 1>who even had less than she did. She'd make snacks,

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<v Speaker 1>hand out small handmade items, sit with people and listen

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean really listen. When she had yarn and needles.

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<v Speaker 1>She would crochet or knit, sometimes even teaching others to

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<v Speaker 1>give them something to focus on. Despite everything stacked against her,

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<v Speaker 1>she tried to lift people up where she could. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there was Wade Allan. Their relationship was rather unstable,

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<v Speaker 1>on again, off again over several years. At times they

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<v Speaker 1>lived together, at other times they didn't speak. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>look unusual, just another complicated relationship between two people struggling

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<v Speaker 1>to try and get by. But by April of twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>kJ had gone quiet once again. Her last known contact

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<v Speaker 1>was a message sent to Wade weeks earlier, but because

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<v Speaker 1>silence had been a part of her life, it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>immediately stand out as something dangerous. That's how she slipped

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<v Speaker 1>through those cracks, not because she didn't matter, which is

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<v Speaker 1>very important, but because the world had gotten so used

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<v Speaker 1>to not always knowing where she was.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The officers standing in Wade Allen's apartment door that night

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<v Speaker 1>didn't yet know any of this or what was to come.

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<v Speaker 1>They were still just looking for a woman who may

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<v Speaker 1>to Wade at his front door, he eventually decided to

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<v Speaker 1>check real quick. But the other guy, he stays outside.

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<v Speaker 1>A compromise, right, So he led the officer inside to

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Once inside, the officer began looking around the small apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>It was lived in and a bit messy in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that suggested clutter rather than chaos. The officer moved carefully,

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<v Speaker 1>him through the space, calling out kj's name and narrating

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<v Speaker 1>she is. Scattered belongings, filled rooms, clothes, bags, odds and ends.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't seem out of place for someone who had

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<v Speaker 1>recently been without stable housing themselves. Now. Wade kept talking

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<v Speaker 1>this entire time, explaining things before anyone asked, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>clutter or the chaos. And then there was a suitcase.

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<v Speaker 1>It sat there quietly near the bed. Wade spoke up

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<v Speaker 1>before police could even ask about it, and he acknowledged

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<v Speaker 1>that yes, it did in fact belong to kJ, from

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<v Speaker 1>when she actually stayed with them before. Now this detail

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<v Speaker 1>of a suitcase, so if she was not staying there

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<v Speaker 1>currently and traveling, while it was unusual that suitcase didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go with her, it was strange, sure, but she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be anywhere in the apartment. Wade said she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't here, and it looked like he was right. The

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<v Speaker 1>the search, but then something caught his eye. A large

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<v Speaker 1>food and ice, was sitting in the corner of the room.

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<v Speaker 1>It was big and not the kind people just casually

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<v Speaker 1>keep available, and when asked about it, Wade brushed it off, saying, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just for summer use, you know, parties or keeping

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<v Speaker 1>things cold, something to look forward to when the weather

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<v Speaker 1>turns warmer. Still, something had shifted. Wade's tone changed when

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<v Speaker 1>the attention lingered on that cooler. He became guarded. He

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<v Speaker 1>hesitated when he spoke. He tried redirecting the officer, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>moving him through the apartment faster, and repeating, well, Kj's

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere here to be found. He hasn't been for months.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where she is. It was in that

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<v Speaker 1>moment that the tension in the room tightened, because the

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<v Speaker 1>officer asked Wade again, what's with that cooler? Can you

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<v Speaker 1>open it for me? Can you show me what's inside?

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<v Speaker 1>He was following basic process and protocol with this question,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to rule out the possibility that Kelly Jane Warner

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<v Speaker 1>to come forward. The officer couldn't look inside it himself either.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't have a warrant at the time, so he

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<v Speaker 1>needed Wade to allow it to be open, to initiate it,

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<v Speaker 1>to give permission, or do it himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So he can't just touch or move things around,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was just curious to why he didn't open

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<v Speaker 2>the suitcase just double check in there.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he is simply he was given permission to enter,

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<v Speaker 1>given permission to see she's not around, and if he's

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<v Speaker 1>to initiate a search, he needs permission.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay. So he's just able to do what weight

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<v Speaker 2>allows him to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct. So if Wade says, no, you have to leave

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<v Speaker 1>my apartment now, No you can't look in there, No

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<v Speaker 1>you can't search that, the officer has to abide, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they do that, of course, you know, things

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<v Speaker 1>may escalate beyond that, which we'll get into. So if

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<v Speaker 1>Wade himself could open up that cooler to show that

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<v Speaker 1>it was in fact empty, well the welfare check it

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<v Speaker 1>would likely have just ended right there. However, Wade refused

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<v Speaker 1>to open the cooler. He can you continue to say

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<v Speaker 1>that the cooler was for later in the summer. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want it to be opened, and repeated that kJ

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't there and hadn't been for a long time. He

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<v Speaker 1>stumbled over his words. He kind of hummed and hawed

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, I just don't want it to

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<v Speaker 1>be open. That sort of kind of attitude, almost like

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<v Speaker 1>when you questioned a child, did you do your homework?

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<v Speaker 1>And they're trying to hide it, thus stuttering, the pausing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really awkward, and that would only make you know

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<v Speaker 2>this officer want it opened.

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<v Speaker 1>More exactly so, when the officer pressed, he continued to

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<v Speaker 1>try and steer elsewhere, suggesting they check anywhere else, and

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<v Speaker 1>the officer asked, well, what about the fridge, same sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. He's just like, well, well, sure you can

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<v Speaker 1>check there if you want, but he still did not

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<v Speaker 1>let the cooler be checked. As the exchange went on,

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<v Speaker 1>Wade's explanations began to contradict themselves, saying there's no reason

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<v Speaker 1>to open the cooler, but also he was very deeply

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about it being opened. He stressed his privacy while

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<v Speaker 1>allowing the officer to stand inside his home. He wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the encounter to end right then and there, but only

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<v Speaker 1>on his terms, and that was the breaking point. The

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<v Speaker 1>officer explained their next step if Wade wouldn't allow them

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<v Speaker 1>to look inside the cooler voluntarily, well, they needed to

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<v Speaker 1>apply for a search warrant because they needed to look inside,

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<v Speaker 1>and with that, Wade was then detained. He was placed

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<v Speaker 1>in handcuffs and placed in a patrol car. As he

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<v Speaker 1>was let outside and placed in the back of that

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<v Speaker 1>police cruiser, his demeanor shifted once again. He began to

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<v Speaker 1>say he was panicking, and he said that he was claustrophobic.

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<v Speaker 1>In the back of the vehicle, he asked to sit

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<v Speaker 1>in certain positions and tried to negotiate, and then finally,

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<v Speaker 1>after the door was finally closed on him and he

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<v Speaker 1>was in the back seat alone, he was shouting out

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<v Speaker 1>the window and suggested that he could return inside and

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<v Speaker 1>let the officers look in the cooler without them applying

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<v Speaker 1>for the warrant.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it makes sense either way, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get in there exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So the officers agreed, if he's going to voluntarily show

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<v Speaker 1>them what's inside the cooler or voluntarily let them look themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>they will walk back inside. So that's what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>They walked him inside for one final look to look

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<v Speaker 1>in that cooler and other areas still that hadn't been checked.

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<v Speaker 1>They returned to the living space and Wade stood back

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<v Speaker 1>and gave express permission for the officers to open that cooler.

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<v Speaker 1>An officer stepped forward opened the lid just a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>just enough to peek inside. They were terrified of what

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<v Speaker 1>they were potentially about to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, no shit, I would not want to open that.

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<v Speaker 1>And as the lid creaked open just enough for the

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<v Speaker 1>flashlight to shine in, the tone of the investigation shifted.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately whatever hope remained that this was a misunderstanding was

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<v Speaker 1>completely gone. Wade Allen was placed not under detention. Now

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<v Speaker 1>not being detained, he was placed under arrest on the spot,

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<v Speaker 1>and a crime scene unit was called in. Once the

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<v Speaker 1>crime scene unit arrived, the apartment was photographed and documented,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the lid of the cooler was finally about

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<v Speaker 1>to be fully opened, officers braced themselves for the worst.

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<v Speaker 1>They warned each other that, you know what, what they

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<v Speaker 1>were about to see, they wouldn't be able to unsee it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>They reassured each other that they were ready, and they

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<v Speaker 1>opened the lid. Inside they found the badly decomposed remains

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<v Speaker 1>of an adult woman who was nude, had her legs

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<v Speaker 1>cut off above the knees, laying deceased. It was Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>Jene Warner and she'd been dismembered to fit inside this cooler.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, okay, okay, A.

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<v Speaker 1>Second smaller cooler was soon located in the apartment as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and it contained a black garbage bag which had the

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<v Speaker 1>remaining dismembered legs inside. As they worked through the apartment,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators documented other findings as well. They found evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>blood splatter on walls, rubber gloves, cords, bags, personal belongings.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a white ribbon strewn on the ground, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just general things and mess and things that appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>even belong to kJ. While the scene was being processed,

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<v Speaker 1>Wade was already being booked at the police station, and

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<v Speaker 1>once sitting down across from investigators in interrogation, Wade Allen

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<v Speaker 1>didn't present himself as a killer. He didn't even frame

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<v Speaker 1>the situation as something violent. Instead, he positioned himself as

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<v Speaker 1>a caretaker who had been overwhelmed by circumstances that he

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<v Speaker 1>did not know how to handle. He spoke about Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>Jene Warner's health. First, he emphasized her diabetes, describing her

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<v Speaker 1>as hypoglycemic and very vulnerable, someone who needed care monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>of her blood sugar. According to him, this medical condition

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<v Speaker 1>explained everything that followed. Wade told investigators that weeks earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>kJ had collapsed after a fall. In one version of

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<v Speaker 1>the story, she fell while making cereal. In another, she

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<v Speaker 1>fell in the bathroom, and that's the one he told most.

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<v Speaker 1>The cereal making one came later. Either way. He said

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<v Speaker 1>she lost consciousness for several minutes, five to ten minutes

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<v Speaker 1>by his estimate, and that afterwards she was not the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Her speech was off, her coordination it was poor, and

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<v Speaker 1>she struggled with basic tasks. He described trying to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of her on his own. He said he fed

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<v Speaker 1>her when he could, helped her drink water, and tried

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<v Speaker 1>to keep an eye on her because she wasn't steady

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<v Speaker 1>on her feet. Now, he claimed he didn't call for

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<v Speaker 1>medical help because he wasn't sure she could move and

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<v Speaker 1>because he thought he could manage the situation himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that was my question, and that answer does not

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<v Speaker 2>make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a very big question that comes up throughout

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<v Speaker 1>this story is why didn't you call for help?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because she needed help, she did. If this

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<v Speaker 2>is actually what happened exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just sit here and say, oh, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take care of it myself. You're not a doctor. No,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have any medical training. Even if you know

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<v Speaker 1>she has diabetes. You don't know other things that can

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<v Speaker 1>be going on, any other symptoms or something you're not

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<v Speaker 1>trained to diagnose, you're not trained to see. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>know diabetes. Even if you know it, you can't help.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Yeah, it sounds like she would need to be.

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<v Speaker 1>In the hospital exactly. But he's like, no, I got

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<v Speaker 1>this okay, at least so he claimed, And then he

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<v Speaker 1>introduced the bathtub. Wade told police that at some point

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<v Speaker 1>he placed kJ in the tub so she could bathe

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<v Speaker 1>safely while lying down rather than standing up. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he checked on her before going to sleep and that

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<v Speaker 1>she was still breathing, but when he woke up later,

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<v Speaker 1>he claimed she wasn't alive anymore. Now, in questioning, he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hummed and hawed about the details about this.

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<v Speaker 1>They asked, what was her head above water? Underwater? Was

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<v Speaker 1>the water running? Was it off? And all these details,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, uh, it's almost like he's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>recall a dream, well or.

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<v Speaker 2>He's trying to make up a damn story.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly now, he said, after questioning each of these details,

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<v Speaker 1>while her head was below water and when he went

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00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:55.440
<v Speaker 1>to bed the water was running, but when he woke up,

421
00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:59.119
<v Speaker 1>the water was off, so he's hummed, well, she must

422
00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:01.640
<v Speaker 1>have turned the water off before her head slipped under

423
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.759
<v Speaker 1>the water. These are the things he's catching up to

424
00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the story as it's developing, trying to explain it away.

425
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.680
<v Speaker 1>But every time he tried, it seemed to make it worse.

426
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Even as he acknowledged that she was in fact dead,

427
00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Wade continued to avoid the obvious question. If he had

428
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<v Speaker 1>truly found her deceased in the bathtub, why did he

429
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.200
<v Speaker 1>not call nine one one right then and there. Why

430
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<v Speaker 1>hadn't he contacted family or a hospital, or a doctor

431
00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:32.559
<v Speaker 1>or anyone at all. And when investigators pressed him on

432
00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:34.759
<v Speaker 1>that point, his answers were no different than the rest

433
00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:39.039
<v Speaker 1>of his vague story and clear fabrications. Honestly, he said

434
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.440
<v Speaker 1>he panicked. He said he didn't know what to do.

435
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.559
<v Speaker 1>He said he was afraid anything he said would be

436
00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.359
<v Speaker 1>taken the wrong way. He would tell police the real

437
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:50.440
<v Speaker 1>story and they would not believe it, They would accuse

438
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:56.480
<v Speaker 1>him of wrongdoings. Instead. As Wade spoke, investigators listened very carefully,

439
00:24:56.599 --> 00:25:00.480
<v Speaker 1>even though it was all clearly bullshit. The timeline felt off,

440
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the medical explanations didn't line up, clearly, and most importantly,

441
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the version of events he was offering didn't explain the

442
00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:11.799
<v Speaker 1>scene they had just walked into. Still, detectives didn't challenge

443
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.279
<v Speaker 1>him really at all, not yet. They let him talk.

444
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>They asked questions and let him explain things now. While

445
00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Wade was still talking inside the interrogation room, detectives were

446
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.559
<v Speaker 1>already widening the investigation to the circle of people around him.

447
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:30.799
<v Speaker 1>One of the first people that they spoke to was

448
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:35.160
<v Speaker 1>the woman who lived next door, Sherry White. She had

449
00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:38.599
<v Speaker 1>known Wade casually. They weren't close friends or anything, but

450
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:42.160
<v Speaker 1>they were familiar enough to, you know, know each other

451
00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:47.039
<v Speaker 1>and share small, ordinary moments, something you know, that was neighborly.

452
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they'd come over and watch TV with each other

453
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>or talk in passing, that sort of stuff. But when

454
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:58.880
<v Speaker 1>investigators asked about Kelly gen Warner, Sherry's answers immediately complicated

455
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:02.519
<v Speaker 1>the story that Wade was claiming to be true. She

456
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:07.440
<v Speaker 1>remembered Wade mentioning that kJ had fallen, but not the

457
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>way that he described police. According to Sherry, Wade said

458
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:13.799
<v Speaker 1>that the fall happened in the bathroom, not the kitchen.

459
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>He told her that he thought kJ might actually even

460
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:21.200
<v Speaker 1>have a skull fracture. Now, Sherry had been very alarmed

461
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.599
<v Speaker 1>by this claim, and she told him bluntly that if

462
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>kJ had hit her head like this and that hard,

463
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>she needed to go to the emergency room. But the

464
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:31.799
<v Speaker 1>response that he told Sherry was that he was quote

465
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:36.440
<v Speaker 1>taking care of it. That alone raised a lot of concern,

466
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:40.160
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't the only thing she shared. Sherry told

467
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:45.160
<v Speaker 1>detectives that during one conversation, completely unprompted, mind you, Wade

468
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:49.880
<v Speaker 1>admitted that he hit women. He didn't say it defensively

469
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>or in anger or anything like that. He said it

470
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:57.680
<v Speaker 1>quite casually, almost like he was confessing a bad habit.

471
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.400
<v Speaker 1>When Sherry reacted with shock and told him that he

472
00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:03.720
<v Speaker 1>can go for jail for that. That's not right, that's bad.

473
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:06.839
<v Speaker 1>Don't do that, Wade replied that he knew, and then

474
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:08.759
<v Speaker 1>he was quote working on it.

475
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh that is I couldn't imagine somewhat admitting that to me,

476
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:15.839
<v Speaker 2>especially because you were probably she was probably alone with

477
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:17.920
<v Speaker 2>him as he was admitting this to her.

478
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Exactly Now, this comment, like you said, like she's probably alone.

479
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.519
<v Speaker 1>It's very unsettling, and it unsettled her enough she began

480
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.039
<v Speaker 1>keeping her distance from him as best she could now.

481
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Other details followed too. Sherry described moments when Wade's behavior

482
00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.119
<v Speaker 1>felt controlling and off. She recalled, in fact, an interaction

483
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.680
<v Speaker 1>where she knocked on his door. She was going to

484
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:42.680
<v Speaker 1>ask if he had any coffee that morning, and kJ

485
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>answered the door to the apartment. The door kind of

486
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:48.920
<v Speaker 1>cracked open. She was kind of hiding behind the door

487
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, just peeking her head out, but kJ

488
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 1>was completely nude, and she said that she would talk

489
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>to Wade real quick and before closing the door. And

490
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:00.880
<v Speaker 1>soon Wade came over knocking on Sherry's door with coffee,

491
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.559
<v Speaker 1>and he let Shurey know that kJ crossed a line

492
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.160
<v Speaker 1>by answering the door like that. He said that he

493
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>would have to quote have to get the belt out

494
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 1>quote Hugh, framing it as punishment for what she had done.

495
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, was he kind of saying I almost

496
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:20.160
<v Speaker 2>wonder if he was saying that jokingly, But still that's

497
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:21.119
<v Speaker 2>not right at all.

498
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:22.799
<v Speaker 1>It was not jokingly.

499
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, dang.

500
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Now, by the time investigators finished speaking with Sherry, they

501
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 1>were already asking a new question, who was it who

502
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.240
<v Speaker 1>had called police in the first place in regards to

503
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:40.279
<v Speaker 1>Kj's welfare. If they're expanding questioning to the circle surrounding him, Well,

504
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.759
<v Speaker 1>who was it that called this in? Well, the original

505
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>tip had come in anonymously, but detectives easily trace the

506
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:49.799
<v Speaker 1>call back to a man by the name of Steve

507
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Russ. He was a longtime friend of Wade Allen.

508
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.279
<v Speaker 1>When officers reached out to him, Steve explained that Wade

509
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 1>had come to him weeks earlier, needing to talk. At first,

510
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Wade framed the situation the same way he would later

511
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>with police. Something that happened to Kelly Gene Warner, something

512
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:12.359
<v Speaker 1>that happened unexpectedly, something he didn't know how to handle.

513
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>But as the conversation went on, the reality became impossible

514
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 1>to ignore. Because Wade then told him that kJ was dead,

515
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:28.799
<v Speaker 1>not missing, not hurt, dead, He admitted that he hadn't

516
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>reported it. Instead, he told Steve that he had kept

517
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>her body in the bathtub for a period of time.

518
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Then he asked Steve if you could help him move

519
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>and get rid of Kj's body, to which Steve absolutely refused.

520
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>He was horrified by this whole situation.

521
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that would be an easy hell no, yeah.

522
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.759
<v Speaker 1>He told investigators that he was torn in those moments.

523
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Wade was one of his closest friends, and there was

524
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>a part of him that wanted to believe that there

525
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was some kind of explanation for what had happened, an

526
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>accident that spiraled out of control. But the more Wade talked,

527
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.759
<v Speaker 1>the worse it sounded. He asked Stephen if he wanted

528
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:06.319
<v Speaker 1>to see the body in fact, like it was something

529
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:09.759
<v Speaker 1>to display or even show off. Now, Steve flatly said no.

530
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>He didn't want to be anywhere near it, and he

531
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be a part of what was happening either. Still,

532
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>he did not call police right away. That delay weighed

533
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 1>on him heavily in the following days. He later explained

534
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>that his family had grown increasingly worried about Wade's behavior,

535
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.279
<v Speaker 1>that they were frightened enough that they couldn't sleep, And

536
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Steve realized that, you know, keeping the secret wasn't protecting anyone,

537
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.079
<v Speaker 1>and it was only allowing something deeply wrong to be

538
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:45.599
<v Speaker 1>continuing to be unchecked in the world. So that's when

539
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.279
<v Speaker 1>he made the call the police. Now, with Steve's account

540
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.960
<v Speaker 1>on the table, investigators began reconstructing the days and weeks

541
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>between Kelly, Jene Warner's death and the night police arrived

542
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 1>at the apartment. This was the part of the story

543
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>that refuses used to make sense, no matter how many

544
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 1>times it was examined. Now, with Steve's account on the table,

545
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.839
<v Speaker 1>investigators began reconstructing the days and weeks between Kelli Jeen

546
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Warner's death and the night police arrived at the apartment.

547
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>This was the part of the story that refused to

548
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 1>make sense, no matter how many times it was examined.

549
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.599
<v Speaker 1>According to Wade Allen, once he realized kJ was dead,

550
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.319
<v Speaker 1>he didn't know what to do, he said, panic set in.

551
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.839
<v Speaker 1>He claimed, fear took over, and rather than calling for help,

552
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 1>he focused on the body itself. He told investigators, he

553
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>began keeping her cold, which was a way to preserve her,

554
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>something he said he picked up from watching crime shows,

555
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 1>and I believe he's likely referring to slowing down decomposition.

556
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 1>So he ran cold water over her in the bathtub.

557
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>But when that wasn't enough, he also began to notice

558
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 1>the blood pooling on the underside of her skin. On

559
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:00.839
<v Speaker 1>the backside. He went and bought a large cooler at

560
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 1>that moment, realizing he needed to do something different. Days

561
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>pass and During that time, Wade continued living in the apartment.

562
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.680
<v Speaker 1>He slept there, he watched TV, and he came and

563
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>went living his life. In fact, at least one person

564
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.640
<v Speaker 1>even visited during this time. Someone even sat down inside

565
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>the room on top of the cooler, unaware of what

566
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 1>was actually contained inside.

567
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I hate that. That is really really, really really

568
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:28.799
<v Speaker 2>messed up.

569
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the smell began to slowly seep out from inside

570
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 1>of this cooler as well, faint at first, then stronger.

571
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Some assumed it was plumbing. Others thought maybe it was

572
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>an animal that had died inside the walls, but no

573
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:45.839
<v Speaker 1>one imagined the truth that a body remained there the

574
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>entire time. Wade told police that from the beginning, as

575
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the days went on, he checked on kJ as she's

576
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 1>laying in the bathtub. For example, he spoke to her

577
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.039
<v Speaker 1>even though he knew she was gone, ribed watching the

578
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 1>changes happening, noticing stiffness, then the stiffening fading. His explanations

579
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.920
<v Speaker 1>drifted between detachment and discomfort, as if he were describing

580
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:14.079
<v Speaker 1>something that happened to someone and trying to put it

581
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:18.119
<v Speaker 1>into concerned words that people were supposed to feel, rather

582
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 1>than what he actually felt like. He was putting on

583
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>a show. As investigators continued piecing together what happened inside

584
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.359
<v Speaker 1>the apartment, attention turned to how the body had been

585
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:34.359
<v Speaker 1>separated into pieces. We know what happened, but how well.

586
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.480
<v Speaker 1>The answer didn't come from forensic evidence alone. It came

587
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>from people who had interacted with him during the weeks

588
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 1>after Kelly Jene Warner was already dead too. One of

589
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 1>those people was his neighbor Sherry. She told detectives that

590
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.039
<v Speaker 1>at some point after Kj's supposed fall, Wade came over

591
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:55.160
<v Speaker 1>and asked to borrow a saw. Now on its own,

592
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the request was ordinary people borrow tools from neighbors all

593
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the time. What made it on sting was his explanation, though,

594
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:04.279
<v Speaker 1>because he told her he needed to cut his mattress

595
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:09.519
<v Speaker 1>in half. Okay, and thankfully for Sherry, she didn't have

596
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.440
<v Speaker 1>a saw to lend, and the conversation ended there. But

597
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:16.079
<v Speaker 1>the odd excuse stuck with her and she remembered that conversation.

598
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, and meanwhile, he was just needing this to

599
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:24.239
<v Speaker 2>cut limbs off. Yeah, fit something into something exactly.

600
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Investigators later learned that Wade didn't drop the idea from here, though.

601
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 1>Instead he went out and bought a reciprocating saw himself. Now,

602
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>a reciprocating saw is an electrical saw. You put like

603
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 1>a hacksaw blade on it, and it goes back and

604
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 1>forth automatically when she pulled the trigger and during his interviews,

605
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Wade Allen eventually admitted that when he realized Kj's body

606
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't going to fit inside this single cooler, he decided

607
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:53.199
<v Speaker 1>dismemberment was the only option. He talked about it like

608
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 1>it was a logistical problem rather than a moral one.

609
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.800
<v Speaker 1>He talked about the stiffness, about the weight of the

610
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>body and not being able to her otherwise. He talked

611
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>about how he began cutting her legs off below the

612
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:08.320
<v Speaker 1>knee and realizing that she wasn't fitting in the cooler

613
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.159
<v Speaker 1>like that, so he had to make cuts again, this

614
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>time above the knee to make her fit, and then

615
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 1>her legs were placed in a smaller cooler. Once he

616
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.840
<v Speaker 1>was done, Wade no longer wanted the saw, and rather

617
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>than dispose of it quietly, he reached out to someone

618
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.079
<v Speaker 1>he knew from the shelter system and proposed a trade.

619
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Long story short, he traded the saw for a DVD player.

620
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is just getting more and more messed up

621
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 2>because it's always so interesting to me the thought process

622
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 2>and how it just in this case is just continuing

623
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 2>on spiraling really instead of you know, at one point,

624
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 2>could you not have a normal thought being like this

625
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.079
<v Speaker 2>is totally wrong? What the hell am I doing here?

626
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you nailed it right there saying that

627
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>you're interested in the thought process. I think it's more

628
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the lack of thought process.

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00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's exactly, because.

630
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:03.280
<v Speaker 1>If you had a thought process, you would realize what

631
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>am I doing here? What's the reality of what I

632
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:05.800
<v Speaker 1>should be doing?

633
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, because I can understand, you know, a

634
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 2>little bit of spiraling, But the more and more steps

635
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:13.920
<v Speaker 2>that come about after it's like, at one point, would

636
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 2>you not realize, like what am I doing?

637
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

638
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Especially cutting the legs off? And then oh shit, I

639
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 2>didn't do him enough. Let's go further up, like what

640
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the actual like absolute shit? What's I can't even speak

641
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 2>because it just I just couldn't fathom understandable.

642
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.199
<v Speaker 1>It's a fucked up situation. But yet he keeps going

643
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>further and further.

644
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:37.639
<v Speaker 2>And then now incriminating someone with the.

645
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Saw, well not necessarily.

646
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean the person getting the saw is like sweet

647
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 2>but like has no idea what the hell it was doing.

648
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.840
<v Speaker 1>But at the very least that's preserving the evidence, right,

649
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>someone has a weapon from the crime scene now, and

650
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>police did later track down this saw. The man who

651
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 1>received it later describe Weight as very oddly insistent about

652
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>getting rid of it. Okay, So they were able to

653
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:02.239
<v Speaker 1>find the saw, which helps investigation rather than just you know,

654
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>throw it in the garbage.

655
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I guess now.

656
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Detectives continued reaching out to people from Wade's past to

657
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 1>see what else they could find, former partners, acquaintances, anyone

658
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 1>who might help explain the dynamic of his relationship with

659
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Gene Warner. What they heard was troubling but very consistent.

660
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Wade had a history of volatile relationships. Control issues surfaced

661
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:27.239
<v Speaker 1>again and again, Arguments escalated quite quickly, and physical discipline,

662
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:31.599
<v Speaker 1>framed by Wade as punishment, wasn't a one off admission.

663
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:35.559
<v Speaker 1>It was part of a pattern. The use of a

664
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:38.360
<v Speaker 1>belt came up more than once two which is exactly

665
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:41.599
<v Speaker 1>why I know he wasn't joking when he mentioned it earlier.

666
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.360
<v Speaker 1>In Wade's own words, using it was preferable to using

667
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>his hands. He even admitted this to police There is

668
00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 1>footage of him talking about I used a belt because

669
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.679
<v Speaker 1>then I wouldn't use my hands. Wow, He's like, I

670
00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 1>know it's not as good or whatever, but it's like

671
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.480
<v Speaker 1>to him, this distinction, it seemed very important, like that

672
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>distinction made him not a monster. Because he's using a

673
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 1>tool instead of physically physically with his own hands. There's

674
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 1>a barrier, there's a separation in his mind.

675
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess so he very much so is an abuser.

676
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.239
<v Speaker 2>This wasn't just like a one time his accident kind

677
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:19.559
<v Speaker 2>of thing.

678
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Very much so an abuser. I don't really talk about

679
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 1>this and what I've wrote down, but I think here's

680
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 1>a good time to mention it. Police believed that kJ

681
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:33.119
<v Speaker 1>was made to walk around the apartment nude, which is

682
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.559
<v Speaker 1>why she answered the door that day in the nude

683
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 1>and then was potentially punished for it because of that

684
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:40.440
<v Speaker 1>controlling behavior.

685
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Speaker 2>So she wasn't so she was following his directions of

686
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 2>walking around nude, but that I guess he didn't like

687
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:49.760
<v Speaker 2>that she answered the door while doing it.

688
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there's he's very controlling, right, So she does

689
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 1>anything that he doesn't approve of, he's going to punish her.

690
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.039
<v Speaker 1>And now you also have to remember, you have a

691
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.800
<v Speaker 1>person who lives in the margins of life, who lives

692
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>in shelters, and now she has an opportunity to live

693
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 1>in an apartment with a partner. H she'll do a

694
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 1>lot to probably try and stay there, which is so sad.

695
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 1>It is so he's taking massive advantage of this individual who's,

696
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>like I said, on the margins of life now. Witnesses

697
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:25.639
<v Speaker 1>also described behavior that felt increasingly restrictive as time went on,

698
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>wide monitored movements, he decided what was acceptable. When he

699
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:33.760
<v Speaker 1>felt disrespected or betrayed, he reacted with control rather than communication.

700
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Just like that incident with her answering the door, the

701
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>relationship with kJ, which he had tried to present as

702
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.360
<v Speaker 1>mutually dependent and loving, began to look a lot different.

703
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>The idea that kJ had simply fallen and never recovered

704
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:51.840
<v Speaker 1>became increasingly difficult to accept. To falls don't explain weeks

705
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.320
<v Speaker 1>of isolation, They don't explain punishment, and they certainly don't

706
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.119
<v Speaker 1>explain why someone would go to such lengths to control

707
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.280
<v Speaker 1>what others saw, herd or knew. When Kj's remains were

708
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:05.079
<v Speaker 1>finally examined, investigators were hoping for clarity After weeks of

709
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.920
<v Speaker 1>concealment and decomposition. The autopsy was the one place they

710
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:13.679
<v Speaker 1>thought the timeline might stop shifting and settle into something solid. Instead,

711
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>it did something else. The medical examiner was able to

712
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.519
<v Speaker 1>determine that Kj's death was indeed a homicide, not an accident,

713
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.400
<v Speaker 1>but was unable to determine the precise mechanism that caused it.

714
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 1>The condition of her body made that almost impossible. Time

715
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.639
<v Speaker 1>exposure and the extent of her injuries had erased the

716
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:36.320
<v Speaker 1>clean forensic answers they were looking for. What the autopsy

717
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>could show, though, was just as important. There were multiple

718
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 1>areas of bruising, including injuries to her chin, neck, and ear,

719
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.559
<v Speaker 1>most notably the hyoid bone. Now, this is located at

720
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:53.039
<v Speaker 1>the base of the tongue, and it was fractured, and

721
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:57.320
<v Speaker 1>it is rarely broken except in cases involving significant force

722
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 1>directly to the neck. So while not conclusive on its own,

723
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 1>that finding strongly supported the possibility of strangulation, and her

724
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.559
<v Speaker 1>death was not consistent with a simple fall, a medical episode,

725
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:16.400
<v Speaker 1>or a sudden accident. After questioning, Wade was taken into custody,

726
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.760
<v Speaker 1>official custody, not just you know, placed under arrest. In

727
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>questioning and investigators from here expected him to retreat inwards.

728
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:26.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, most people do, they lawyer up, they go quiet,

729
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 1>and they wait, that sort of thing. But Wade, however,

730
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 1>he did the opposite. Inside Saint Joseph County Jail, Wade

731
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Allen began talking, you know, conversations with other inmates, the

732
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>kind that happened when people are trying to establish themselves

733
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 1>in an unfamiliar environment. But those conversations quickly took a

734
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>very dark turn. Wade talked about what he had done,

735
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:51.719
<v Speaker 1>and he didn't just hint at what had happened to

736
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 1>kJ He described it in graphic detail, not once, but

737
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 1>repeatedly to several other inmates.

738
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, that's not surprising because there's been times where he's

739
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:07.039
<v Speaker 2>talked about it with friends too, and it almost seems

740
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 2>like he's proud of this, or like with his one friend,

741
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:11.800
<v Speaker 2>his really good friend, he wanted to show off the body.

742
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, so I think it's not necessarily being proud

743
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>of it per se, but I think it's more of

744
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 1>a use of manipulating. He likes to have control and

745
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't like when people do things he doesn't approve of.

746
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 1>So I think, my guess, my best guess is he's

747
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.719
<v Speaker 1>doing these things to try and have control over people.

748
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I did this to someone, you better do what I say,

749
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.760
<v Speaker 1>or you know, like there's that underlying tone of you

750
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>could be next sort of thing.

751
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So in jail he's almost wanting to look a

752
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:48.519
<v Speaker 2>little bit like a tough guy.

753
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.519
<v Speaker 1>That's my best guess. I think he's trying to more

754
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:55.000
<v Speaker 1>establish himself like I did this, you know, like.

755
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:56.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm capable of this.

756
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is why I'm here. I'm capable of it.

757
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>That sort of attitude. Again, I don't know, that's my

758
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.199
<v Speaker 1>best guess. Now. Multiple inmates were interviewed separately, and separately

759
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 1>is very important, and they reported that Wade told them

760
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 1>that he had strangled kJ with a white ribbon. A

761
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.639
<v Speaker 1>white ribbon, in fact, that I mentioned, was found inside

762
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:20.119
<v Speaker 1>his apartment. He spoke about watching the clock as he

763
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:24.119
<v Speaker 1>squeezed the life out of her. He watched five minutes

764
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:31.000
<v Speaker 1>pass by. Then afterwards, when she was dead, not breathing,

765
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 1>he described reviving her with CPR briefly before continuing to

766
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.320
<v Speaker 1>do it again, as if the first time wasn't enough.

767
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me?

768
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not.

769
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I don't feel like I've ever heard anything

770
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>so terrible.

771
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>He killed her, then revived her to kill her again.

772
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Fully, frig that is messed up.

773
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Others recalled him framing the violence as punishment tied to

774
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>accusations that he had betrayed him in some weird way.

775
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Others even told about how Wade had used Kj's body

776
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:12.920
<v Speaker 1>for sex after she was dead. Now, police footage shows

777
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:16.760
<v Speaker 1>one inmate extremely uncomfortable in this situation and even on

778
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:20.039
<v Speaker 1>the edge of tears, explaining that Wade told him he

779
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:23.519
<v Speaker 1>would warm up her body in bath water and then

780
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:27.239
<v Speaker 1>eventually that the stiffness in her jaw faded so he

781
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 1>was able to take advantage of that.

782
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>What okay, I am freaking uncomfortable listening to this as well.

783
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:38.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was uncomfortable researching this. And now these weren't

784
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:42.840
<v Speaker 1>vague boasts or you know, exaggerations. The detail matched pieces

785
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:46.639
<v Speaker 1>of the evidence investigators had already had, and inmates were

786
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:50.639
<v Speaker 1>all very consistent with their stories. Several of these inmates

787
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.440
<v Speaker 1>told police they were disturbed how calmly Wade spoke about

788
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>what he'd done. There was no panic in his voice,

789
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:59.159
<v Speaker 1>no visible guilt. He didn't describe the acts as mistakes.

790
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.239
<v Speaker 1>He was kind of like that. I don't know boasting,

791
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 1>but that, like I said that, there was that demeanor

792
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.679
<v Speaker 1>about him where he's telling them flat out, you know

793
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:11.639
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. More than one inmate said they were

794
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.679
<v Speaker 1>afraid to sleep in the same unit as him. Some

795
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.239
<v Speaker 1>took turns staying awake at night, worried he might hurt

796
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:17.800
<v Speaker 1>someone else.

797
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I would be afraid too. This guy has

798
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>some serious issues.

799
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Because when these accounts were finally reported to authorities, detectives

800
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't immediately act with evidence with these as evidence, sort

801
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>of say, because jail house informants, they're always treated very cautiously.

802
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 1>You don't know what their intentions are, whether it's true,

803
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.039
<v Speaker 1>whether it's false. But as the statements piled up and

804
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:43.280
<v Speaker 1>the patterns were emerging, it was impossible to ignore. The

805
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.880
<v Speaker 1>inmates didn't know each other very well, not everyone that spoke,

806
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.280
<v Speaker 1>and they had nothing to gain. Their stories aligned too

807
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:54.880
<v Speaker 1>closely to be coincidence. The moment Wade Alan actually realized, though,

808
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that the inmates around him had talked and the truth

809
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 1>had reached law enforcement, the men he had confided in

810
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.519
<v Speaker 1>were no longer just fellow inmates. In his mind, they

811
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:07.679
<v Speaker 1>had crossed a line and as he had done before,

812
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:12.480
<v Speaker 1>when he felt challenged or exposed, Wade responded with control

813
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and punishment. In October of twenty twenty, while housed in

814
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Saint Joseph County jail, Wade was rehoused with one of

815
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.199
<v Speaker 1>the inmates who had actually provided some information to authorities,

816
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.840
<v Speaker 1>and what followed was an assault. The victim later told

817
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.559
<v Speaker 1>the court that the act was not consensual. He described

818
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:35.480
<v Speaker 1>it as a deliberate attack meant to intimidate and retaliate

819
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 1>an unmistakable message that was speaking out of consequence. Surveillance footage,

820
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.360
<v Speaker 1>jail records, and medical document documentation supported his account and

821
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:49.360
<v Speaker 1>this incident it reinforced everything that we had come to

822
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>understand about Wade's behavior to this point. When he believed

823
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 1>someone had betrayed him for whatever reason, he acted when

824
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.679
<v Speaker 1>he felt control was slipping away, he tried to take

825
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:03.440
<v Speaker 1>it back by force. Now, the assault led to an

826
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:08.159
<v Speaker 1>additional charge of attempted third degree criminal sex conduct, which

827
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 1>we don't know all the details, but that means there

828
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:16.199
<v Speaker 1>was an attempt at sexual penetration with either a body

829
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 1>part or an object.

830
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Shit. Okay, I know that these people are like inmates

831
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:27.480
<v Speaker 2>and shit, but if officers or investigators or whatever, or

832
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.079
<v Speaker 2>trying to get information from these people. They should also

833
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.760
<v Speaker 2>be like protecting them too, to a degree they should be.

834
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.400
<v Speaker 2>And that is definitely a slip in the system. Why

835
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.840
<v Speaker 2>he was housed in the same acts, Like, how the

836
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.280
<v Speaker 2>shit does that end up happening?

837
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have no answer for you, unfortunately.

838
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean it does in a way. It shows like

839
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.679
<v Speaker 2>how much more of a monster this Wade guy is.

840
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:52.079
<v Speaker 2>So so that could maybe be help in his sentencing,

841
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 2>her trial or whatever in him, you know.

842
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:56.599
<v Speaker 1>Getting for sure, forgetting.

843
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:58.559
<v Speaker 2>The life or whatever this guy deserves.

844
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:00.920
<v Speaker 1>For confirming the charges getting convict did and the sentencing

845
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:05.039
<v Speaker 1>to follow. You're right, it certainly helps prosecutors.

846
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that inmate did not that that should not

847
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:09.239
<v Speaker 2>have happened.

848
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 1>No, it should not have. Now, as the case against Wade,

849
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Allen moved towards trial, the whole murder thing, well, it

850
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:19.840
<v Speaker 1>nearly collapsed. But not because of lack of evidence, though,

851
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:26.559
<v Speaker 1>but because of how that evidence was discovered. Wade's defense

852
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.960
<v Speaker 1>team focused on the moment police first entered his apartment

853
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and opened the cooler without a warrant. You see, they

854
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.280
<v Speaker 1>argued that the search violated his constitutional rights, and that

855
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 1>everything found afterwards, the body, the statements of physical evidence

856
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:43.880
<v Speaker 1>should be suppressed in court.

857
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Ah, okay, I don't agree with that, Like, fuck his rights. Really,

858
00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:49.440
<v Speaker 2>he just killed someone.

859
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at that point, fuck his rights. One. If that

860
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:56.320
<v Speaker 1>argument that succeeded, though, the prosecution's case would be moot

861
00:48:56.639 --> 00:49:00.880
<v Speaker 1>before it ever reached a jury. For months the case legal,

862
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:05.119
<v Speaker 1>limbo Wade underwent psychiatric evaluation to determine whether he was

863
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>even competent to stand trial. Appeals were filed, hearings were delayed,

864
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and while the remain while he remained in custody, while

865
00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the clock just kept ticking, and the question looming over

866
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:18.320
<v Speaker 1>everything was whether the most critical evidence in the case

867
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 1>would ever be allowed in court now. Thankfully, the prosecution

868
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:29.039
<v Speaker 1>countered with a simple but powerful argument inevitability. They argued

869
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.880
<v Speaker 1>that even if the initial look inside the cooler had

870
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 1>crossed a legal line, which it didn't because he wasn't

871
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:39.360
<v Speaker 1>coerced and he gave express permission, police already had enough

872
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>information to obtain a search warrant and were in progress

873
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.440
<v Speaker 1>of doing so when he offered to step forward and

874
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:50.239
<v Speaker 1>let them look. The anonymous tip waves behavior has refusal

875
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.519
<v Speaker 1>to open the cooler the presence of kJ suitcase. All

876
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.039
<v Speaker 1>of it pointed to the same conclusion. A warrant would

877
00:49:56.079 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 1>have been issued and the body would have been found regardless.

878
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but still he gave them permission.

879
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.519
<v Speaker 1>He did. But the defense is saying he was He

880
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:13.480
<v Speaker 1>might have given permission, but it was under coercion, under stress,

881
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff. That's their defense to say.

882
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I feel about that. That's frustrating.

883
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.159
<v Speaker 1>It very much so is And the fact that that's

884
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:27.039
<v Speaker 1>a defense, in my mind is ridiculous. Yeah, he had

885
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.039
<v Speaker 1>a dead body in his home and you're going to

886
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 1>argue semantics over whether it should have been found or not. Yeah,

887
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:38.599
<v Speaker 1>to Shae, it's fucking ridiculous. So in November of twenty

888
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:41.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty one, the case reached the Michigan Court of Appeals

889
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and the ruling was decisive. The court agreed with prosecutors,

890
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:50.280
<v Speaker 1>finding that the discovery of Kj's remains was in fact inevitable.

891
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:54.599
<v Speaker 1>With that ruling, the case snapped back into place. The

892
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:57.280
<v Speaker 1>evidence would stand, and by early twenty twenty three, the

893
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.440
<v Speaker 1>prosecution was preparing to present a detailed and deeply disturbing case.

894
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.079
<v Speaker 1>The trial date was set, jury selection was approaching, and

895
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:10.920
<v Speaker 1>then at the last possible moment, everything changed. On the

896
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 1>eve of jury selection in January twenty twenty three, after

897
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:19.000
<v Speaker 1>years of delays, evaluations, and legal maneuvering, Wade Allen made

898
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:23.800
<v Speaker 1>a quiet but consequential decision. He entered a plea of

899
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 1>no contest, meaning he accepts punishment for the crime without

900
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:34.760
<v Speaker 1>admitting guilt. By pleading no contest, Wade avoided a public reckoning.

901
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 1>The plea meant he did not formally admit that guilt,

902
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.440
<v Speaker 1>but it also did not dispute the facts as presented

903
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 1>by the state. Legally, it allowed the court to treat

904
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:47.679
<v Speaker 1>the case as a conviction without requiring a trial.

905
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, this seems like this would be better.

906
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:53.960
<v Speaker 1>For him, then it would be basically, yes, he still

907
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:57.280
<v Speaker 1>gets the same result, but there's not that closure in

908
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the end. Practically, it spared Wade from having to sit

909
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:05.360
<v Speaker 1>through days or weeks of testimony detailing what investigators believed

910
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:08.000
<v Speaker 1>he had done to Kelly Gene Warner, which is largely

911
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:10.599
<v Speaker 1>why this story has a lot of loose facts and

912
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:15.159
<v Speaker 1>second hand telling regarding of the details. It also spared

913
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Kj's family from having to listen to every single detail

914
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:20.639
<v Speaker 1>of her final weeks laid out in open court, and

915
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 1>during the brief plea hearing, Wade spoke very little, but

916
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.400
<v Speaker 1>when he did while his words circle back to the

917
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:29.880
<v Speaker 1>same themes that he had relied on from the very beginning.

918
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:33.679
<v Speaker 1>He expressed regrets but not responsibility, and he framed the

919
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:37.360
<v Speaker 1>situation as something that had happened around him rather than

920
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:41.639
<v Speaker 1>something he had caused. He mentioned Kj's health issues again.

921
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 1>He said he wished he had taken better care of her,

922
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:47.079
<v Speaker 1>and he continued to try and act and speak in

923
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:49.719
<v Speaker 1>ways that he thought people should be in the situation.

924
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:53.760
<v Speaker 1>He always did that he was trying to gauge reactions

925
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.039
<v Speaker 1>and feed off that to tell what to say and

926
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:01.239
<v Speaker 1>how to move next. He was honestly terrible at betraying

927
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 1>emotions and feelings for what he had done. He was

928
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:07.639
<v Speaker 1>simply trying to borrow them instead, trying to make his

929
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:11.519
<v Speaker 1>answer something that they want to hear. And yet this

930
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:14.840
<v Speaker 1>whole time he just got worse and worse at it. Still,

931
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:17.320
<v Speaker 1>what he did not do was explain why he never

932
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:19.760
<v Speaker 1>called for help, why her body was hidden for weeks,

933
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.639
<v Speaker 1>and why he dismembered her and stored her remains in

934
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:26.679
<v Speaker 1>a cooler Prosecutors meanwhile stated plainly that had the case

935
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:29.559
<v Speaker 1>gone to trial, they were prepared to present evidence of

936
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:34.159
<v Speaker 1>long standing abuse, escalating control, and deliberate acts meant to

937
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:38.559
<v Speaker 1>conceal a homicide. But ultimately years of investigation came to

938
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 1>an abrupt end because there would be no jury verdict,

939
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:46.159
<v Speaker 1>no dramatic closing arguments, or public weighing of guilt. Instead,

940
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:49.719
<v Speaker 1>the case moved directly to sentencing in early twenty twenty three,

941
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:53.000
<v Speaker 1>nearly four years after police first stood in the doorway

942
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.840
<v Speaker 1>on North Maple Street. Here, the court also addressed what

943
00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 1>happened after Wade's arrest and how he assaulted one of

944
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:04.159
<v Speaker 1>those in mates who spoke against him. Prosecutors emphasized that

945
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:08.159
<v Speaker 1>even in custody, Wade continued to use violence as punishment

946
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:12.119
<v Speaker 1>and control. When it was his turn to speak, Wade cried.

947
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.239
<v Speaker 1>He said he never wanted Kelly to die, and continued

948
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.800
<v Speaker 1>the same story employ he had every other time before.

949
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.719
<v Speaker 1>He did apologize to her family and asked for forgiveness.

950
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Whether it was real or not, I don't know, and

951
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I doubt, but what he did not do was accept

952
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:32.880
<v Speaker 1>responsibility for causing her death. The judge was unmoved and

953
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:35.880
<v Speaker 1>pointed out that if Wade was speaking the truth, then

954
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:39.440
<v Speaker 1>he had every opportunity to seek medical help, to call

955
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:42.880
<v Speaker 1>for emergency services, or to report Kelly's death when it occurred,

956
00:54:42.880 --> 00:54:46.719
<v Speaker 1>but instead he chose not to, and he chose to

957
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:51.800
<v Speaker 1>dismember her remains instead. Wade was sentenced to thirty nine

958
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:55.159
<v Speaker 1>to sixty years in prison for second degree homicide, with

959
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:58.760
<v Speaker 1>additional consecutive time from a mutilation of a dead body,

960
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:02.639
<v Speaker 1>and for the jail health sexual assault as well. He

961
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:06.800
<v Speaker 1>was also ordered to pay restitutions for Kelly's burial expenses,

962
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:11.079
<v Speaker 1>cover court costs and fines, and register for life as

963
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:15.519
<v Speaker 1>a sex offender. It was in effect a life sentence.

964
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:20.639
<v Speaker 1>By the time the court proceedings ended, Kelly gen Warner's

965
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:27.039
<v Speaker 1>name kJ had been repeated countless times in reports, filings,

966
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and testimonies, but in many of those spaces she existed

967
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:34.679
<v Speaker 1>only as evidence, a body, a timeline, and a victim.

968
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 1>But she deserved so much more than that. Kelly Gene Warner,

969
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 1>known as most simply as kJ, lived a very complicated life,

970
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.679
<v Speaker 1>but not an empty one. She moved through shelters and

971
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:52.519
<v Speaker 1>temporary housing, sometimes drifting out of touch with family and friends,

972
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:56.639
<v Speaker 1>not because she didn't care, but because instability had simply

973
00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:00.800
<v Speaker 1>become normal. People who knew her described her as warm

974
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and generous in small and quiet ways. She shared what

975
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:08.280
<v Speaker 1>little she had. She checked in on others who were struggling.

976
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.400
<v Speaker 1>She made snacks for people in the homeless community. She

977
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.960
<v Speaker 1>crocheted and knitted, often even teaching others just to simply

978
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.960
<v Speaker 1>give them something steady to focus on. She was a mother,

979
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:22.480
<v Speaker 1>she was a grandmother, and her life did not fit

980
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:27.480
<v Speaker 1>neatly into typical societal systems. What made her vulnerable in

981
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.400
<v Speaker 1>ways that she did not deserve is exactly that, and

982
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:32.719
<v Speaker 1>it also made it easier for her to disappear and

983
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:36.400
<v Speaker 1>go unnoticed at first, something that weighed heavily on those

984
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:40.440
<v Speaker 1>who loved her once the truth finally came out. Wade

985
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Alan exploited that in the end, much of the public's

986
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 1>attention focused on the brutality of the crime, on the

987
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.480
<v Speaker 1>shock value of what investigators found in on the disturbing

988
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:55.199
<v Speaker 1>things Wade later said and did. But those details, as

989
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 1>horrifying as they are, do not define Kj's life. The

990
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:03.360
<v Speaker 1>only mark its end. What matters more is that she

991
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:07.960
<v Speaker 1>was real, She mattered, She was loved, and even when

992
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:11.079
<v Speaker 1>life made that hard to see from the outside, she

993
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:16.000
<v Speaker 1>was a person. Stories like this should not belong to

994
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:19.360
<v Speaker 1>monsters like Wade Allen. They belong to the women and

995
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.599
<v Speaker 1>to the victims whose lives are reduced to evidence, and

996
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to the people who love them. Kelly gen Warner, like

997
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:31.159
<v Speaker 1>all victims, should be remembered not for what was done

998
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:34.360
<v Speaker 1>to her, but for who she was before it ever happened.

999
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Her story may end here, but remembering her means refusing

1000
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 1>to let those monsters take over even in the aftermath,

1001
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and never letting lives like her fade quietly into the

1002
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:54.679
<v Speaker 1>margins ever again. And that's the story of Kelly Gene Warner.

1003
00:57:56.719 --> 00:58:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, not just so sad, it is. I love people

1004
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:04.760
<v Speaker 2>like her that are just like they don't have much,

1005
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.880
<v Speaker 2>but they are, but they're still just so willing to

1006
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.000
<v Speaker 2>be kind And it's like they almost live their life

1007
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:13.639
<v Speaker 2>by how kind they can be to others even though

1008
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.039
<v Speaker 2>they are struggling themselves. So that is like a true

1009
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:18.239
<v Speaker 2>amazing person.

1010
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:22.119
<v Speaker 1>True amazing person for sure. I honestly, it's funny when

1011
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 1>you look at society and people. It's not always this way,

1012
00:58:26.320 --> 00:58:29.559
<v Speaker 1>but there is a reoccurring theme those who seem to

1013
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.840
<v Speaker 1>not have much themselves always seem to be more willing

1014
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:33.519
<v Speaker 1>to give to.

1015
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Others, which is kind of weird. I guess it's just

1016
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.039
<v Speaker 2>because they know what it feels like, maybe maybe, and

1017
00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:43.159
<v Speaker 2>then people who have more are so I don't know,

1018
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:44.920
<v Speaker 2>far from knowing what it's like.

1019
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I mean Wade was the exception to this rule.

1020
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.480
<v Speaker 1>He lived in housings and things like that as well,

1021
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:57.800
<v Speaker 1>in the societal margins as well too, but instead he

1022
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 1>took He was the exact opposite of Kelly or kJ

1023
00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:07.880
<v Speaker 1>He was that monster, that exception to the rule. And yeah,

1024
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:11.039
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe people like that exist, whether they have

1025
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:11.719
<v Speaker 1>lots or not.

1026
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I watched this true crime show actually over the holidays,

1027
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:20.320
<v Speaker 2>and there was someone in there that they were made

1028
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:25.159
<v Speaker 2>themselves available to hire to basically be an accessory to

1029
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:27.960
<v Speaker 2>kill someone, and they be like a hit man kind of,

1030
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.159
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't actually do the killing. They just were

1031
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:33.639
<v Speaker 2>part of making the operation a success, I guess, gotcha.

1032
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.360
<v Speaker 2>And they did it for five hundred bucks, geez. And

1033
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:40.639
<v Speaker 2>the officer was just like, how on earth like you

1034
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.239
<v Speaker 2>did that for five hundred dollars and they were basically

1035
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:46.920
<v Speaker 2>just like, well, have you ever been so poor that

1036
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.519
<v Speaker 2>you needed five hundred bucks that much, and it was

1037
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:52.920
<v Speaker 2>just like, holy shit. It was a little bit eye

1038
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:55.559
<v Speaker 2>opening that like to some people, I guess that's like

1039
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:57.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money and they would do anything for that.

1040
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:00.920
<v Speaker 2>And then also kind of eye opening that you know,

1041
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the officer had no idea someone would need to do

1042
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:05.440
<v Speaker 2>something like that for five hundred bucks. Not saying that's

1043
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:08.760
<v Speaker 2>right in any way it's terrible, but it's just this

1044
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:11.400
<v Speaker 2>like kind of just showing a little bit like this divide,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, But I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't care how poor or how rich you are. No

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<v Speaker 1>dollar amount should ever correlate to someone's life. No, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>not five billion dollars. I'm not going to help murder someone,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what the hell? No, I understand, like it's their

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<v Speaker 1>life or mind sort of thing. But there's other things

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<v Speaker 1>you can do for money. There's other things, there's other ways,

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<v Speaker 1>there's systems out there. I mean, I know they're not perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's things out there to help people. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I could go on for hours, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>and unfortunately, many of my my arguments could even be

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<v Speaker 1>moved because people what the experience and what is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be available can be so different too. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand every situation, but the bottom line is, no fucking

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<v Speaker 1>dollar amount should correlate to a human life period.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 1>And that goes for all levels too, government levels, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rich people, poor people. I don't care, but we live

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<v Speaker 1>in a fucked up world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you could say that again, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I'm angry. I'm angry over what you were just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Angry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I'm angry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, it's it's really messed up

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<v Speaker 2>when you sit back and think about, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>these cases on surface level are really sad and horrific

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<v Speaker 2>and should not be happening and stuff, But then when

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<v Speaker 2>you actually really deeply think about them too, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like maddening.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so anyway, on that note, happy twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am glad that you shared her story because

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<v Speaker 2>it did need to be shared and she did not

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<v Speaker 2>deserve to be that or to be treated that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and much anyway, You're right, You're right, And much

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<v Speaker 1>of what I found searching for her story was under

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<v Speaker 1>Wade Allen's name.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this episode, I'm not sure I'm not sure. I

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<v Speaker 1>Wade Allen's name will probably be in the description, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is the story of Kelly Jene Horner. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a story of kJ This episode is titled with her name,

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<v Speaker 1>not Wades. So hopefully when someone out there wants to

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<v Speaker 1>learn more about her and they search, they will FoST

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<v Speaker 1>start finding more things about her and not him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not the monster, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, I'm not gonna be drinking water after this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going straight to whiskey.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, Ben, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna dehydrate rather than hydrate. Hopefully, you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have a good day. I'm just gonna say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget to look at the description. Leave a review.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate the hell out of you, and we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to this ride that twenty twenty six is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be and we're here with you along the way

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<v Speaker 1>and until next episode, cheers, Stay Wicked.