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Speaker 1: Well, it is my big pleasure to be joined on

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our podcast by the one and only four division world champion,

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one of the great count for pound fighters, a boxing pick,

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Terrence Budd Crawford. But it's really a pleasure to have

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you a lot here. I know you have a very

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big fight coming up, probably the biggest of your career.

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You gonna be challenging the undisputed super middleweight world champion

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Canelo Alvarez for that title. Will take place on September

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thirteenth at Allegiance Stadium, their first ever stadium fight in

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Las Vegas. Tickets are on sale. The fight is for

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all subscribers on Netflix. A beautiful thing for fight fans. Welcome.

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And I wanted to start off Terrence, because this fight

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is sort of taken on a life of its own.

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Speaker 2: I think among boxing.

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Speaker 1: Fans, after you dominated and knocked out Errol Spence, I

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wonder at what point did like this become the focus

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of your goal of it to land this fight against

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Canelo Alvarez. At what point did you say I want

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that guy?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is this is the biggest fight to be

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made and boxing out of all the divisions, you know,

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Terrence Crawford versus Canelo.

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Speaker 4: You know, it don't get no bigger than that.

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Speaker 3: So that was a fight that I looked at, looked

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into and said that could happen, you know, given the

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likes that Jamail Charlo was able to go up and

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you know from one point fifty four and get the opportunity.

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I felt like I was able to should be able

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to get the opportunity as well.

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Speaker 1: So he wasn't really that into it when this when

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you first started to talk about it and it kind

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of became a thing on social media. You know, he

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was asked about it many times. I asked him out.

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He was like, yeah, I'm not really interested in that fight.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And obviously now the fight is happening, So I wonder

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how how did you get Turkey to get into the

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fight and how did you I feel like, you basically

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will this fight into being?

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Speaker 2: How do you feel like that happened? Like what changed?

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Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of money for him, but in getting

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it done it become reality.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think just me being serious about it, you know,

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at first, you know, Turkey felt as if I should

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fight somebody at one fifty four and you know, go

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to try to become undisputed at one fifty four. But

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those great those guys at one fifty four didn't really

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too much do none for me or my career, So

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why not go up and challenge myself and you know,

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fight another all time great in Canila.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm big into like the history of boxing,

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besides just following current boxing. And I look at the

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matchup a bud and I see, if you win, you

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become a five division world champion, which is certainly a

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huge deal, and there's not a lot of guys that

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I've ever done that. But what I look at is

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that if you win, you become a four division lineal champion.

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You did it at lightweight, you did it at junior

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welter weight, you did it obviously at welterweight, and you

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won a title at one fifty four, but it wasn't

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considered the lineal title. If you be Yellow Alvarez and

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you take away the super middleweight under be the title,

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that'll be a fourth lineal championship.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: There are only two other fighters in the history of

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boxing that have accomplished that. That are those guys are

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Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacia. And I wonder in your

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from your perspective, What would that mean to you to

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join that is extraordinary elite company?

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Speaker 3: Well man, dang, you know, like you know, those are

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the two you know, uh, two great fighters that you

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know ever laced up a pair of gloves. So to

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be in a category with just them two and myself,

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it would be, you know, something crazy to even think about.

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You know, it's crazy to even think about it right now,

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because did you know that it was funny because we

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was talking about it yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know, we was talking about it yesterday.

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Speaker 3: And and it just was just like, dang, I can

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make history, you know, as as as well as becoming

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a three time undisputed you know, champion in three different

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weight classes. You know, there's a lot riding on this

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fight for me, you know, And yeah, of course you know,

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and we're looking forward to it now.

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Speaker 1: When I watched you and h and Canelo do your

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your press conferences in Riad and then you went to

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New York City or Las Vegas, uh there, there's clearly,

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at least the way I look, and I've watched a

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lot of press conferences, clearly very healthy respect between the

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two of you. You respect his accomplishments. I know he

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respects your accomplishments, and uh, there's been some friendliness, but

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there's also been a little chippiness, which is good for

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any promotion.

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Speaker 2: Especially.

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Speaker 1: He seemed to downplay your resume in various interviews and

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at the press conferences. How much does that irritate you

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because you you've accomplished a lot of the same things

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he's done with, you know, championships and four weight classes,

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multiple undisputed titles of that type of thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, it definitely irritated me because I can say so

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much about you know, his resume and the guys he

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fought at the time he fought and so forth.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not going to do that, you know.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather, you know, talk about him as a fighter

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and forget all the other people that he fought before me,

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because you know, at the end of the day, that

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don't matter.

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Speaker 4: Me and him got a fight.

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Speaker 3: I'm not fighting his resume, I'm not fighting the guys

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that he fought, none of that.

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Speaker 4: So I'd rather keep it straight about Canelo.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit about the process to

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the reshape your body. I mean, you obviously came into

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the pros. Your first title was that lightweight. Now you're

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going to be more than thirty pounds in terms of

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the limit above that. You've looked good, I mean size

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wise when I saw you at the press conversations and

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that sort of thing. What is the process like to

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build yourself up to a solid one hundred and sixty

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eight pounder or close to it? Because you've only had

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the one fight even at one fifty four that was

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your win against Matchamuv in August of last year.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think just you know, uh, not having to

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cut muscle, I have to worry about making weight and

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struggle and things like that.

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Speaker 4: I think. You know, as you.

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Speaker 3: Get older, your body naturally grows, you know, but if

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you're not letting it grow, because your body want to grow,

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especially when you work out a lot, you know, but

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you're hindering it to grow.

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Speaker 4: The time that you do, let it do what it do.

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Speaker 3: You know, This is the the this part of the

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process that we have.

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Speaker 1: What I wonder, though, is there special things you're I

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wonder is your special stuff you're doing. I give you

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an example when Hopkins moved up from middleweight to light heavyweight. Okay,

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he went way above the win and then cut down

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to one seventy five you're not doing anything like that.

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Speaker 3: No, no, not at all, not at all. So we

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definitely eat more, you know, we definitely eat more. We

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we're definitely trying to put pack you know, more muscle,

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but not too much muscle.

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Speaker 1: So so when when the fight comes about, and I

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think back, we mentioned many Packett with other lineal titles.

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When he went up and fought at junior middleweight against

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Antonio Margarito, he came in way under the contract limit.

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Contract limit for the fifty four pound title was like

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one hundred and fifty for that fight, but he came

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in barely over one hundred and forty four pounds. Is

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your intention to bulke all the way up to one

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sixty eight or is it to maybe come in a

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little bit under to maintain the great speed that Terren

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Speaker 4: I don't know. We shall see.

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Speaker 3: We got we gotta you know, a little bit under

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too much to figure that out, and then you know,

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we'll make the best solution for fine not I.

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Speaker 1: Want to also ask you, Terrence, about the fact that

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this fight's on Netflix, not a pay per view searcharge,

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if you subscribe to Netflix the way people would subscribe

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to other things, and they just watch it as part

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of their regular subscription. That seems to me anyway, as

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a boxing fan, that's an awesome thing to have a

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fight of this magnitude, a fight of this high qual

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the caliber, historical, all the things we can discussed about

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it that it is not an extra search charge. I

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wonder your perspective because you've had a few pay per

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view fights, obviously you had the Arrow Spence was your

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big one on pay per view. But what do you

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think is that how good it is or your perspective,

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how is available to the masses with them out without

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having to pay extra money for it, but you guys

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still getting daid a lot of money.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's going to be great. You know.

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Speaker 3: I think boxing is moving towards, you know, moving away

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from pay per view, and I think it's a good

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thing because a lot of people, you know, with the

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piracy and stelling fights and things like that, I think

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that's you know, killed the pay per view.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, I think giving it to the.

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Speaker 3: Masses that have the app and things like that will

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be the next beg sting for not only the fans,

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but for the for the sport of boxing. You know,

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when you look at the bigger sport. You know, I

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won't say bigger sports, I'll say to other sports, right

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like NBA, NFL Day on Prime TV, you know where

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you know you don't have to pay a subscription or

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pay for a pay per view to see them play.

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I think boxing would be, you know, back where it

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Speaker 1: Well, certainly it seems to be working in those little

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spots at Netflix's pick to do its thing because they

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had huge audience for their Jake Paul Mike Tyson event.

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They had record type of audience for women's sports when

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they did the recent Katie Taylor and Amanda Toronto. So

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having you guys, you know, it was going to be

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a huge thing for them. When I was looking over

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your record, just sort of refresh myself, I realized, you know,

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you've only had a one fight for the last per year,

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you know, between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, one

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fight per year. And I wonder, is that by designed

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for you or is that a matter of like you

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just decided I'm going to be a once a year fighter.

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I'm making good money. I'll pick my spots or were

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you Were you preferring to be a little more active.

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Speaker 4: Well, I would definitely.

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Speaker 3: I would have liked to fight fight more and would

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have been more active, But given the circumstances that I

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had with my contract and then the circumstances with Spence,

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we had a rematch clause and that was dragged out

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for a year, and then it turned out that the

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rematch wasn't gonna happen. Then trying to get an opponent,

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then fighting you know, Magic Mov because I was trying

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to fight front Door and they didn't want to fight

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me then, so I had to go to Plan B

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and figure out who I was gonna fight, and then

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you know, we end up fighting Magicum Often after that,

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it wasn't it wasn't really nothing for me, you know,

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so we were just still working on a Canelo fight.

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So now we're here and you know, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: It turned thirty eight years old two weeks after the fight.

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You're you're actually older than him, even though he's got

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a lot more fights than you. This is gonna be

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by far your biggest fight in terms of the profile,

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what it could do for your legacy with the victory, certainly,

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I would imagine your bank account. Uh so, and he's

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is this sort of the end game if you will?

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Do you do you think about retirement when this is over,

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whatever the outcome is, or are there more fights left

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in Terrence Scrawford.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, this this is definitely a question that everybody

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keep asking. Not tell him all the same thing. You know,

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we don't know, you know, one fight at a time.

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Let's see how this fight go. Maybe you know, I'll

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go back down on one fifty four and try to

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become undisputed. Maybe I love to do a rematch. Who knows,

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you know. Right now, we just focus on the task

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at hand. And that's Canela well understood.

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Speaker 1: I said a couple more questions for you, Bud, and

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that is uh In terms of Canelo, I look at it,

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and even though we all know he's a great he

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really hasn't had what I think people would view as

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a really impressive performance since twenty twenty one. That's when

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he knocked out Kayleb Plant to become the undisputed champion

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at one sixty eight four the first time. And you know,

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he's still been winning most of his fights. He did

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have the loss that light heavyweight to Dimitri Biebel. But

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I look more in particular to the last fight he

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had in May against William Skull, through barely any punches,

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was not able to put on any kind of hurt

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on William Scull whatsoever in that fight. It was a

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dreadful fight. On top of that, and being honest, as

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much as I love Canela look pretty bad in that fight,

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And I wonder when you look at that performance, If

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you have looked at that performance, what is your view

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about what he has left? Or maybe was he just

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disinterested for whatever reason? Because Skull wasn't a big name.

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The fight was at six thirty in the morning, you

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know in Saudi Arabia, where maybe people were a little

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sleepy and so it didn't have that kind of crowd enthusiasm.

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What's your take on that he's got By the way,

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I'll mention this as an amazing stat. I mean, even

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though you're older than he is, he has five hundred

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and twenty pro rounds, more than double, which is two

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hundred and forty five.

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Speaker 3: I think I think it was just him being frustrated

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because Skull went and fight to fight day. He wanted

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to fight, and you know he was just either irritated

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or bored. I just think styles made fights at the

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end of the day.

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Speaker 2: All right, Just I'll wrap up with this.

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Speaker 1: I know, having covered your career for a very long time,

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you're always confident going into your fights. I know you

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have the full expectation to be the winner of this fight.

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He has never been knocked down in his career. He

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has never been stopped. Before you fought Magic of you

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had stopped eleven opponents in a row. Granted they were

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in the smaller weight classes. But I'm wondering, is it

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do you think about when you look at the fight

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and the way you feel that will unfold it is

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a knockout, which would be an amazing feat for you.

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Speaker 2: Is that something that you even think about getting in this.

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Speaker 3: Buddy, I gotta knock him out. I just got to

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beat him. You know, everybody getting hyped on a knockout.

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Speaker 2: I'm not hyped on it. I'm just wondering, I understand.

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Speaker 3: But I don't never go on none of my fights

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looking for a knockout. You know, if it come to come,

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if it don't, you know, as long as I get

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the victory.

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Speaker 4: That's all that matters.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I will look forward to watching your

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efforts and getting that victory begging pulled off. Darrence, I

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appreciate your time and I really wish you a lot

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of good luck in the fight.

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Speaker 2: September thirteen, so