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Speaker 3: If this is on, I gotta always do it over there.

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It's ash Wed's day. It's as schweinsteak tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: What day is?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what day is today? You know

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what day is today?

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Speaker 2: The right man.

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Speaker 4: They didn't even have to pay attention today. The day

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is thy yp They that's sugar oats.

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Speaker 3: Do you like sugary ootas. Oh, that's nice, that is nice.

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That's some nice stuff right there. And that's sugary ootas

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a sweet thing from the album Freedom Fight, Freedom Flight.

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They just messed it. I didn't even know. I've always

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thought it was eat him fight. No, it's flight the

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fuck whatever. You know what I mean? Fight flight? You

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know you didn't hear the consonant that there. He's not

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he's he's got a d D. He's not paying attention.

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He's already hearing. He's on a spectrum. Anyway, welcome to Uh,

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the crime pays, the body doesn't podcasts. I say, Oh,

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I stuttered, like I forgot what fucking.

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 3: It's takes all kinds.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I got back from Chicago. Last night, me and

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my kid, me and my daughter, and uh, we had

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to take we where we stay. We stayed over in Austin.

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we had a four hour layover. I was somebody wasn't

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paying attention when they booked a flight. That was me.

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I feel bad. She was so good though, you know,

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you sedate the kid would have would have with the

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tablet or something. No, she was. She was really good.

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And uh she's getting very good at drawing too, which

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is very exciting because she's only four. She could already

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write her name, and uh, she's really into into making art.

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But then she gets pissed off too if she draws

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something and doesn't like it, which I used to do too.

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I still well, I don't get pissed off anymore. I

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just ignore it and go to draw something else. I

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might rip the page out of the sketch book so

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I don't have to look at anymore. But uh, anyway,

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Chicago was wonderful. I spoke at the Wild Things conference.

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five hundred people in there, maybe not that, maybe it

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was only three. I don't know. It was a lot

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of people. Definitely, definitely some transmission of viral particles occurring

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in that room, and there were not as many Caucasian

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people in masks as I thought it would be. I'm

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just kidding. I'm just kidding. Loosen up. Sorry, But yeah,

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it was a great it was a great fucking event

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that was super fun and it is. At the same time,

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there's the Illinois Golf Convention in the same building. A

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beautiful Rosemont. I forgot to get a picture of the

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city of Rosemont logo. Now Rosemont, I think was a

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mafia built town by the Ohare Airport. They got a

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convention center, they've got you know, it's it's generally a

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car slum. It's hideous. I'm not gonna lie that. The

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Splains River does go through it, and that's a beautiful

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corridor of forest preserves that are infested with invasive buckthorn

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h but still there's a lot. It's like a it's

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a I remember being a place where if you have

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to be on the ground as the pedestrian, it feels

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terrible and you're just getting just you're just sucking on

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fumes the whole time, just getting car exhaust belched in

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your face. But I tried to sneak into the golf convention.

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It didn't work. I was hoping I could get a

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free visor. I could steal something, maybe a club, a

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golf club. I don't know what I could of shoes?

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What were they doing? What do they do with the

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golf convention in February in Chicago they have tables with golfers.

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wouldn't have been too bad at people. They looked like

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working class guys. If you just could get them off

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of golf. You have to get him off golf. You

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can't let them do that stuff heroin golf. It's just

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as bad. Get them off golf. Right, how many friends

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to Heroin, especially after the Fennil came out. I never

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I found heroin that helpless glee, that feeling of helpless euphoria.

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I felt that somewhat nauseating. I was repulsed by it

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at an early age. First time I ever saw somebody

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of my friends seemed who I've made throughout the years.

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now because that happens when you do opiates.

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Speaker 3: You know. This is let's let's let's redo it. This

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is the getting off to a negative. We're starting off

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real negative here. Let's let's put on a new face

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and let's make it. Uh, let's make it a bit

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more up ofty, shall we see. I'm playing with this,

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that's fucking I'm playing with the controls here on a machine. Ah,

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yes that guy, Yes, yes, yeah. I did have rechtol

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surgery last year and it went great. I got turned

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on during my colonoscopy and showed visual evidence of it,

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and the doctor got really upset with me, and now

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a whole new thing. Anyway. The point is, if you

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have friends that are into golf, there's a hotline that

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you can call. It's a one eight hundred number. Let

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me find it. Where was it? I saw it next

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to I saw it on a bridge next to one

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of those suicide. And the point is golf is a

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wax sport. But but you know, I still would have

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gone on the convention. I would have seen if I

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could get some free stuff, maybe a lanyard. What do

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they sell? What do they have at a golf convention?

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coffee thing. No, probably not, because a lot of people

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who do golf are cheap. I would assume they don't

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give anything for free. They did have a free coffee

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table at the Wild Things conference, which I only found

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out after the fact, but regardless, it was nice. They

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had a bird table, They had a bunch of interesting

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shit there. They had people selling some seedlings, they had

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a bunch of books. Jerry Willhelm was there, the guy

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who sets his suburban yard on fire every fall, every

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fall under the under the bright moonlight, you know, on

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a certain when when a light casts a certain pallor

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he's out there setting the yard on fire in his suburb,

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which I think more people should do. But uh, just

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you know, you got a time it right anyway, Speaking

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of fires, it's eighty five degrees here in South Texas.

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it's windy as shit, the kind of weather that when

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let's hope that doesn't happen. Who knows. It is very dry,

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unseasonably dry. All of Texas is in a drought so

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Houston's Houston's kind of in a swamp still, so that

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that don't really count. I did enjoy Midway Airport, which

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beautiful Chicago. I did enjoy the voice over the intercom

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that says violators are subject to a fane violetter is

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a subject to a fine, Violators are subject to a

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fine crime prime slime. You get the point. The vowels

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in the Midwest accent, how they get accentuated. There's no

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other There's no other accent that I know of that

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does it, except maybe the Canadian or the Minneapolis accent

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where it's got Oh, but you know, it's Midway is

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always wonderful. I do. I do enjoy the smell of

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diesel exhaust, the brisk, icy smell of diesel exhaust. It's

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like that when the air is so cold it burns

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your face, but you could still smell the diesel. And

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I'm not being sarcastic. That does bring back nostalgia for me.

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It brings back nostalgic. It makes me sentimental for growing

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up right, going up, you know, Cicero Avenue in the snow,

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seeing the brown and gray slush in the gutters warms

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my heart. But they didn't. You know, they don't really

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get winters in Chicago anymore. It's weird. It's like the

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last the last five years. Every single year for the

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last five years has been a mild winter. They'll get

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and they get it starts snowing much later, and it

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warms up much earlier, which is exactly what the climate

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change forecasts we're supposed to be. Of course, that's you know,

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the higher latitudes warming is a lot more noticeable than

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at the lower latitudes, and so it's they're gonna warm.

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the higher latitude certainly will. It's gonna get weird. And

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then of course we've got the whole uh, you know,

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clusterfuck of what's going on here in the United States.

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You know Trump is now what is he was? He

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he's selling the forests. What did he do? He passed

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some law. He's gonna clean the forest. He's gonna he's

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gonna log like two hundred million acres of forest. But

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he's going to tell you he's cleaning them and so,

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and you'll be dumb enough to go along with it,

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probably because that's uh, that's what happens here after forty

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years of defunding education. It's good for the good. It's

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good for the economy, and you got a consumer economy.

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It's good to have a bunch of dummies. No offense

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to any of them. Bless their hearts, Bless all of

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their hearts. What does he doing? Oh yeah, there was.

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This is a great one. I hope you like shitwater.

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I hope you like fecal coliform because that was that's

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that's the thing now too, it's coming back. Now. See

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this wasn't Trump. This was the Supreme Court who Trump

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helped install. But the Supreme Court just weakened the Clean

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Water Acts limitations on raw sewage discharge into our water

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in a five to four ruling. So so you know,

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they weakened the Clean Water Act. That's great, that's wonderful.

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there was that pig faced guy who looks like a

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hot dog on a liquor store ro t hisstory, you know,

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like one of the bodega's where they got the hot

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dogs that have been in there for two days. But

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who cares because if only people going in there are

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drunks anyway, so they're not gonna mind. They'll eat that

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shit right. That thing is not it's got the texture

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of dried putty. But anyway, this guy, he's all shaved

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in pink, he's got a shaved chest. I saw him.

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He looked good, looks like he's working out. He's in

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at p ninety X. He's dating Marjorie Taylor Green, who

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herself looks like another version of Miss Piggy, and he

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he's you know, I hate to think of the sex

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they have. But this guy was out asking the Ukrainian president,

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who's been you know, through a shit ton of war

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and seeing probably horrible things over the last two years,

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asking him why didn't he wear a suit to meet

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with the President. They're all sitting there laughing at this guy.

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into world poitics, obviously, I don't want to. I mean,

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I just love making fun of these pigs. But it

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was so disgusting and just just like, oh God. And

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then the guy. You know, I don't care if someone

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looks like a hot dog on a liquor store rode history,

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but if you're an asshole and you look like that,

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I'm gonna use it against you. He's got a pig

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face too. He's got like this really specific but he

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looks like Porky Pig, but with a like a haircut,

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like a nicer haircut than Porky Pig. Does Porky Pig

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have hair?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: I should? Can I look this up right in a hole?

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Lind God, Thank God for AI. Here's here's here's the AI.

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Here's the AI response on Google gem and I No,

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Porky Pig does not have hair. Porky is an anthropomorphic pig,

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unlike his wife Petunia. He's bald and has no hair

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on his skin whatsoever. Petunia, I didn't know that. That's

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that's you know, who's knocking AI sure, it's going to

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be used to eliminate jobs and dream up horrific schemes

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to make money and enslave people as consumers so they

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can be farmed. But you can also ask it about

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the gender identities and body hair status of cartoon pigs.

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bad yet. So anyway, yeah, so going to Chicago was

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a wonderful time despite all the we knew all this

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dark stuff was coming. We knew they wanted to. You know,

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the right's been wanting to cut, uh cut the Feds

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for a long time. So firing two hundred thousand federal

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employees that was really we you know that was coming.

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you know, we've gotten off to kind of a negative

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had a wonderful time. I My daughter made me take

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her to the Field Museum. She was pissed. She every

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day she has Are we going to the Dinostaur Museum?

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Are we going to the dinerstare museum. Are we going

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to the dinstore? And she would scowl at me if

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I said no, not today, So certainly on Sunday I

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took her to the Dinosaur Museum. I got I gotta

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pass from a museum down here. You get reciprocal admissions.

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That's why it's not a bad idea to sign up

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with a botanic garden or a museum. Just pick the

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cheapest one you gotta. You know, even if it's like

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five states away. You could probably sign up online. I

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have to mail you a pass and they do reciprocal admissions.

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Then you can get in anywhere. Like I signed up

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with Boyce Thompson Arboretum a while ago, and they still

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mail me a card. Now I can get into any

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botanic garden.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then uh, you know, because you can't be sneaking.

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And now it's a high profile, especially about I get

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cars sneaking into a botanic garden. You know, it's not

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I'm they know me there now and I get in

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trouble and it's not nice and it's awkward. But uh,

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and then the museum you could do you find a

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museum it's in a reciprocal admissions program. With them and

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the same things. So that's what we do. So we

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went to the Field Museum and it was excellent, as

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it always is the Hall of Botany. I love it there,

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but at the same time, I'm so sad because I

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know at some point some administrator asshole is going to

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come for it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but

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at some point they will. It's in the corner. It's old.

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It's glass cases that are like six feet by six

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feet that highlight so many different plant families, probably thirty

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or forty different plant families. Has got a nice plastic

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model of a flower, and you know, plastic models at

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some of the reproductive structures and leaves and maps of

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their distribution. It's great. It's like it's it's if you

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could walk inside the Plant Systematics textbook. They got a

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fake peyote, they got you know, all the cool Central

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American is zing Gibberele's the Ginger Order members. They've got

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a giant milkweed flour, plastic milkweed flour. It's amazing, it's wonderful, shit,

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really cool. You got to go there and spend some time,

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you know, smoke some pot if you have to, if

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you get if you're like me where you can't sit still.

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I don't smoke pot because it makes I just don't

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like it. It's too weird and it just makes me

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really obnoxious, admits an Ax. But if you need that,

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you know, go there, do something. But you got to

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go in there. Go to the Field Museum and just lurk.

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You can maybe get into their barium too, if you

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ask nicely, you know, so you're doing research on something,

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and actually maybe do some research. It wouldn't hurt. And

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then you can go in and look at plant collections

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from the last two hundred years. Okay, But the Hall

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of Botany they got the wel Witchia diorama. They have

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a wel Witchia like a dried well witchia. You can

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see well WITCHI had. Diorama is one of the most

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fantastic dioramas I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: This is on the same level as the major dinosaur

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exhibit that also catalogs Earth's five major mass extinctions, which

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I certainly suggested you you do. They've got a fossilized lepidodendron.

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It's a fossilized you know, the fucking nah the relatives

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of Isoetes, which is still alive today. But these lepidodendrons

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were massive, uh scale trees from the carboniferous. They were

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doing a lot important stuff back then. They were doing

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a lot of they were they were creating oxygen. They

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were laying down a coal beds, right. They got a

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fake giant millipede in the diorama. They got the Tully Monster,

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which was a Precambrian creature that still is very poorly understood.

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A lot of wonderful stuff, lots of cool fossils. They

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got a giant ketchel quadlus fiberglass thing flying. It's one

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of the best museums. The Field Museum. It's it's I was,

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you know, I cherished my memories there. They got the

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narwhal diorama, which used to terrify me, but I I

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couldn't look away. I loved it as a child too.

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That's in the basement. It's fucking great. So go to

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the Field Museum and go to the Hall of Botany

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and check out the Wowitchia diorama and the Hall of Plants.

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Got the Hall of man It's crazy. I forgot how

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cool the fucking Hall of Plants is. It's it's uh

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the stuff they let me hold on. Let me get

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some of this. Yeah, there we go. Okay, I was

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taking photo you they got a giant cannon ball tree,

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life sized mock up at a cannonball tree Korupeda gianensis

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from the uh what order is this? I this is

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something I don't think I've ever seen this. You get it?

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I think it's in Vera Cruz. Yeah, native to Central America,

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but you know it's been planted throughout uh Asia, throughout

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South Southeast Asia. I think it's it's been planted in

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Sri Lanka, India. The family is Lecitha dacy, which is

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order Eric Hayley's. It's in the Blueberry order, which is

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weird as shit. This is a family I don't think

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I have any familiarity with. Let's see, let's sit the

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dacy go to my observation. You know, I really love

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make a tax deductible donation to in it. If you can't,

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I'm just I don't know. Just if you if you

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got you know, an extra you know, a couple grand

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up your rations. Nobody does these days, because you know

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we're all going broke and uh, no one can afford

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to buy a house anymore. No, I haven't seen uh

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Lesiiti dacy anywhere. God, the amount of friends I have that. Oh, debt,

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like college debt especially, it's fucking brutal, man, horrible, horrible, Oh,

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Rob the man. You know those companies, those loan companies.

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Somebody needs to really, you know, you know what someone's need, right, Yes,

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you know you know what you know what someone's gotta

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go out there, dough and Okay, family, listen to Jesus.

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There's a lot of genera in here. There's twenty five

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genera Bertholdia, Bearringtonia Bedington. It's a hockey name, Carria, Carriniana,

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Kida Nanthis Corithophora, Coratari, Corpeda, crater Anthis is Schweiler. There's

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a genus called feed To. Oh god, this is a

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very This is a very species. Rich family. LICI the day. See,

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I think I've see I've certainly read about it, but

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I have not. I don't think I've encountered any of

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a really weird flowers. Yeah, and Eric Cayley's it is

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in the blueberry order. That is fucking wild man. Okay, okay,

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we got Mark grant them on the phone. He said,

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he doesn't know a lot about it. But I remember

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we're talking about you glossian bees now, because they're one

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of the primary pollinators of the cannon, not the cannibal tree,

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the brazil nut tree. Excuse me, though, there's many genera

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that are involved in the pollination, but you.

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Speaker 2: Already didn't know about that. I only thought that they

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were involved in the pollination of orchids.

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Speaker 3: I guess that, well, they see the brazil nut tree

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offers nectar, but the U glossing Tell me about the

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YOUU glossing piece, because you were interested because they were collected.

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They're pollinators of stan Hopia, correct, that weird orchid from

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just south of where I live.

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Speaker 2: I like stan Hoopea is and I collected stan Hopeia

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tigrina because it's probably the most cold party. Although people

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are saying there's more of them that can be grown

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out doors and in the central California. You know, I've

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had that plant since the early nineties and and have

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multiplied it, so I have a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: And it flowers from the bottom, It flowers from beneath

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the leaves. These things are epiphytic orchids with suitables. I

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saw one that had blown out of a tree when

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I was in LCLA down and to Alypus, beautiful tom

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Aleapus with its hot cartel activity.

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Speaker 2: And well, the only time I saw them in habitat

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they actually weren't on a tree. They were on a

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limestone pinnacle in LCLO. And at the top of the

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pinnacle there were these mature orchid plants that obviously flowered

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time and time again and release seeds right on the

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pinnacle and all down the pinnacle was like a river

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of seedlings and that's where I got my plant. It

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was one of those seedlings.

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Speaker 6: And you know that it's fascinating that when they flower,

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which is very brief the flower they last a couple

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three days, but on inflorescence with four or five flowers,

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can you know they'll be flowering sequentially, so the time

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they're offering their scent is extended.

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Speaker 2: Some people don't like the scent of that particular species,

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and it does have a little musky overtone, but it's

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very sweet. And to learn that the glossing bees would

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gather this scent which seems to be fat soluble, because

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if you handle the flower, you know it'll be you'll

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get it on your hands and and I don't know

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this for sure, but if you try to wash your hands,

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it's still there as if they had gone into your hand.

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But the by being fat soluble. But the the Glossian

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bees gather that and use it as they're mating, attraction

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for the females and maybe in some way establishing territory.

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Speaker 3: So they're collecting fragrance. They're collecting they're not collecting nector,

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they're collecting fragrance of these orchids. This is this very

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specialized pollination system. It's fucking weird. It's very cool right

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as well? And what color are the bees? Tell me

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about these bees? What do they look like?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's they're so showy, they're so beautiful. They have

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metallic blue, green, iridescent colors. They're they're fantastic looking, especially

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if you, you know, get a close up for a

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magnified Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 3: They had a turquoise, green and blue. This is this

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is what I wish.

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Speaker 2: I knew more about them. I mean, I know, I've

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seen a lot of photographs of them, you know, just

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covering these inflorescences, and I think you know, there's related

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genera they go to to besides stan Hope yet in

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that clade, and and of course they have to feed too,

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so there they I don't think they get food from

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the orchid or because they're known for being tricksters and

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you know, attracting things to them and offering them nothing,

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you know, imitating something that does offer a reward and

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then and then looking like it and getting you know,

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their services got free. But uh so, uh that brings

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up the cannonball tree that you were talking about. That

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that uh is that where they get the nectar.

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Speaker 3: Was brazil nut, but then there's can I was just

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reading about the the family, which is fucking huge. I

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didn't know that it's order Eric, it's in Eric Hayley's.

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I thought I knew all that Eric Cayley's members.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Eric Haley's is kind of is really diverse.

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It is a kind of a mess. And I don't

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have a good you know, I don't have to handle

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at the higher level of things, right. I mean, it's

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changed so much since my education. You know, I'll be

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seventy one in a couple of days. And I had

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taxonomy from doctor Tucker at a time when all these

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all these trees that make catkins were put into something

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called the amentiffery. So that there is a clarify.

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Speaker 3: It was before PCR, it was before they were sequencing stuff.

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It was before Carrie Mollis took acid on the highway.

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Speaker 2: Way before it was way before it was you know

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times of the GRIMINII and the composite Eie and Tiffer.

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I guess just because they had catkins. So yeah, I mean,

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you know, you only had morphology, I suppose, right, uh

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to guide you. But so that family is tropical and

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so of course I haven't had a lot of experience,

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but I've seen pictures. I've seen the cannonball plant. I

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have not seen Brazilian.

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Speaker 3: They looked like they got really bizarre flower morphology. Man,

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there's some really weird shit on with these. I thought

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I would have seen what maybe mobots got one like

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get a. I don't know, I need the CDs there.

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I should have been on the lookout.

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Speaker 2: Skairchild has them for sure. Yeah, and I think down

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in LA that there's probably at the Huntington.

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00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: Every flower is like a puzzle though with this, and

466
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,319
that's the you know, it's a way to exclude pollinators.

467
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,400
I guess there was a at least on on Bertholetia

468
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,839
excelsa on the brazil nut tree. But I found a

469
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:50,279
paper that was documenting pollinators, and we had a whole

470
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:56,920
grab bag, a more literal smorgusborg of genera Euphresia, zila copa.

471
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,519
Centrists the genus that pollinates cremeria. You know about the

472
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,759
centris bees, right, they're also oil collectors.

473
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: I know about the ones that do diassia. What's it

474
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,640
which also offers h something like that?

475
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:16,599
Speaker 3: No, it's Diossia.

476
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:20,839
Speaker 2: Well, they have a special spur on their flower and

477
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:24,160
it has these waxy substances that bees collect. And then

478
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,599
on thorium does that as well, right.

479
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: It may yeah, I just uh, what is what? What

480
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:32,680
is what? Family's Diossian?

481
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: Well you got me there, hold on, we can we

482
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,440
could look it up.

483
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,759
Speaker 3: What's the what's the how do you spell that?

484
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,599
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna do that for you anyway.

485
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you. I'll keep telling you about centrist

486
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,680
bees because they're hitting malpiggy ac too. You look at

487
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,039
malpiggy of flowers, you know the family malpiggy acy, malpigy

488
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,920
with that it's tropical for me showing well, there's a

489
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,279
lot of good ship because there's crazy ship that there's

490
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:05,200
why they're they're the centrispeedes are hitting calceolarias, uh, which

491
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,559
is why because the calcolarias the flowers on they get

492
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:10,000
those two little stamens ase little in the.

493
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: Body, you know, there's still in the scruff. Oh they

494
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,440
are South Africa.

495
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,279
Speaker 3: That's wow, that's I've seen those before. Yeah. No, but

496
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,519
melpiggy ace. You look at malpiggy of flowers. First off,

497
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:24,720
they all look the same. It's the same flower structure.

498
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,039
It's really unique. It's like those five paddle shaped petals

499
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:32,759
with the little you know, in between every petal there's

500
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:37,319
like a pair of glossy little bumps, like wardy bumps.

501
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:42,359
Those are oil glands. They're they're they're producing oil and

502
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,799
so and then of course KRAMERI is those fucking weirdos,

503
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:49,799
you know, the hemiparasites throughout the deserts. You get them

504
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:53,000
in Chile there's uh, there's a population that grows on

505
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:56,400
sand in Florida. We get like two or three species

506
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,279
here in Texas, one of which astrophytem the the sand

507
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:03,640
dollar cactus likes to height under Uh. Those are pollinated,

508
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,680
I believe, exclusively by centrists, by the genus centrist bees

509
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,240
and the genus centrist, which is fucking wild. Now get that,

510
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,559
See I hear about that. That gets me into that

511
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:15,799
gets me into one to be a you know, hymenopterist

512
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,319
or whatever. Hymenopterologies they're very attractive.

513
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:26,119
Speaker 2: Now. I had I had entomology from a bee specialist,

514
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,839
a really nice guy. I can't remember his name. He

515
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,240
lived a long time. I think he must be done now.

516
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,599
But he studied bees. And I see here for diacia,

517
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,480
that they have this special spur on the flower, and

518
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,000
that it contains a special oil which is collected by

519
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:48,200
the wild bees of the genus red Aviva, and like

520
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,759
red Aviva, longemanis that appear to have co evolved with

521
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,440
the plants as they happen, usually long fore legs for

522
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,279
collecting the oil.

523
00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: How do you spell diassia? How do you spell that?

524
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:04,839
Speaker 2: D I A S C I A. They they are

525
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,000
in they are in horticulture.

526
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: I saw a bunch of the Oh yeah, there's a

527
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:11,079
little spur. Yeah, I saw these when I was down

528
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:13,279
in South Africa. Yeah, really unique.

529
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's another one for the for the this

530
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,640
kind of pollination where some kind of oils the bees

531
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,519
are using. Now what they're using it for exactly, I

532
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,039
I've I don't know. I mean it seems like, you know,

533
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,759
bees put up twenty bees uh put a lot of

534
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:35,720
stuff into their properlists and when they're building the nest

535
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,119
and uh, but that that's that's all I know.

536
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,839
Speaker 3: But but Dios is putting out oil.

537
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:46,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the bees, the bees have been collecting it

538
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:50,839
for long enough time for them to modify their legs

539
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,839
so that they collected easier from the plant and the

540
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,920
plant has uh you know, made a spur longer. So

541
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,519
they're working together here too.

542
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: Would go okay, really quick before I let you, First off,

543
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,240
thank you for being down to pick up the phone

544
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,039
on a random phone call by me on a fucking

545
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,279
weekday night. Thank you. But first off, how did you what?

546
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,559
Because I remember you were really jazzed about Stantopia and

547
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:19,440
I understand why what got you so excited about that habitat?

548
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,519
When were you were there? Were you there with John Ferry?

549
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: I was in in nineteen ninety I believe, and we

550
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,200
were the graduate student whose name I can't remember. And

551
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:36,960
also Carl Schoenfeld, and we went to Lclo bias A Reserve.

552
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:39,119
I really wanted to see some of the plans I've

553
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:43,119
been working with at Berkeley Botanical Garden in habitat, and

554
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,680
I wanted to see the magnolia d All bought up,

555
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,519
but we were told that that was run by Cartel

556
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:52,599
and I couldn't get to that habitat. But at that

557
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,559
time now Clo was open and it was beautiful. And

558
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,799
to see this pine oak would land, and to see

559
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:03,640
the trees that come down the east coast, you know,

560
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,880
and continue down this Sierra Madre Oriental and there had

561
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,119
been a big frost that year, so you know, to

562
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,920
see all that frost damage on these plants, it was

563
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,759
interesting that I didn't expect to and to see liquid

564
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,920
ambers eighty feet tall covered with vermeliads. And then I

565
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,319
collected a lot of material for the Potago Garden, although

566
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:29,519
they didn't want me to, so they I had to.

567
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,480
I had to say John Ferry had collected it about

568
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:33,039
fifty things.

569
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:34,359
Speaker 3: Why didn't they want you to collect it?

570
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,559
Speaker 2: You know, there's all this thing about permits and colonialism

571
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:42,599
and and that kind of stuff. And somehow John worked

572
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:45,519
it out. Now he worked it out in a way

573
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,519
that the Potago Garden could have worked it out, but

574
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:49,640
that just the people in charge of that just didn't

575
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,240
want to do it. And so the way I worked

576
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,279
it out is I collected the things because you know,

577
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:57,880
he had his interest, which was may woody plants at

578
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,440
that time. But I turned him on to firm and

579
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,519
then turned him onto Besheran area and turned him onto

580
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:06,640
these other things that we saw on that trip. And

581
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,000
I know on the second trip I went with him,

582
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,039
he was very focused on a goby and so I

583
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,239
had to be. I got so good at spotting a

584
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,280
Govey's Whenever I saw a plant I wanted, I could say, Hey, John,

585
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,440
they're having a goby over there, and then then I'd

586
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,480
run in the other direction and the thing I'd seen.

587
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:30,719
But but of course he is he was the major

588
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,119
collector and also with his garden and everything, you know,

589
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,679
could introduce them. And you know I just helped out

590
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,719
by you know, getting more things into the botanical garden.

591
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,559
Speaker 3: Yeah good, but yeah alongs to the museum. That's I

592
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,800
thank god that you guys were doing that too, because

593
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,239
I mean it's you know, the habitat so many of

594
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,800
these places too, the habitat is fucking torched or it's

595
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,199
gone or whatever, and those you know, it's a way

596
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:03,960
to expand, expand popular the plant for conservation, you know,

597
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,840
and these these things, these things have lasted epically longer

598
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,000
than human civilization itself has, so that all that thing

599
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:15,280
about colonialism, when you're taking it for for conservation, you're not.

600
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,159
You're not doing it to profit off it or sell

601
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,480
to some startup or some ship so whatever.

602
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,639
Speaker 2: You don't make money on plants. But unless you're really

603
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,920
it has to. It takes a lot of uh a

604
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,519
framework around which that to work. I mean, I tried

605
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:34,599
to do that. I try to have a new plants program,

606
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,719
but you know, it needed uh a bigger investment of

607
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,039
time than the Potanical Garden was uh willing to make.

608
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:44,880
But it could have worked. There were all kinds of

609
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,079
new things when you bring all these plants from habitat

610
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,639
into one garden, all kinds of hybridization occurs, and all

611
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:56,679
the seedlings come up, and then of course if you're creative,

612
00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:00,239
then then on your break you do some pollinations. You

613
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,280
cut like those seeds, and a lot of plants were

614
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,159
entering horticulture from the Botanica garden, and the Bottle garden

615
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,880
really wasn't getting credit, but the horticulturalists would it would

616
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,800
arise in their section, and then they would take it

617
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,159
to a nursery, and then they got some kind of

618
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:16,920
prestige and they got the plant named for them. And

619
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,119
nothing was happened for the Botanica garden. So I thought,

620
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,840
I thought they would be open to be having a

621
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,480
new past program. And actually, you know, we had a

622
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,639
good we had a good kind of contracts for them

623
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:30,039
to make some money if there was any kind of volume.

624
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,760
And in fact, the first thing, the first hybrid I made,

625
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,840
did become a big crop over North America.

626
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,639
Speaker 3: Then, but even then it seems so short lived. I mean,

627
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:44,400
the the purpose should always be education and conservation. That's

628
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,119
the most important thing, you know, preserving these elements.

629
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: Of ever in the world, and our Battaca gardens don't

630
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,599
have the means to do it. And of the many

631
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:55,360
different kind of directors we had, a lot of us

632
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,920
said well this is you know, one of them been said, well,

633
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,960
if there's only one of these left, we might as

634
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,800
well let it go exchange. That's I mean. This was

635
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,519
this was a botanist director of a botanic garden saying,

636
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,159
you know, this is just a burden and it's never

637
00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:09,920
going to get never, it's never going to have any

638
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,079
habitat anymore. The habitat has been destroyed.

639
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: So are we Jesus, why are.

640
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,639
Speaker 2: We keeping it? But one wish is that there was

641
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,760
more of a worldwide conservation concept in botanical gardens. But

642
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,719
what they tend to do is that, you know, people

643
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,159
who seek control and and uh, you know that's too

644
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,119
much for them, so they want to focus on their

645
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:35,480
own native flora. And certainly the California flora is worthy

646
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,760
of lots of work. But this country had the money

647
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:41,920
and the resources. I don't know if that will be

648
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,039
in the future to actually help other countries that had

649
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,159
more biodiversity than us to conserve it. And we didn't.

650
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,719
We didn't make any I'd say, in my experience, you know,

651
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,800
we had we started out, you know, I went to

652
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,639
Costa Rica and collected plants for the Potnical garden officially,

653
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,400
and it was kind of a work exchange. Were working

654
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,360
with a Botta garden there, but we didn't really do

655
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:09,159
much to support them at all in their efforts, and

656
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:12,679
we didn't allocate enough resources on our end to keep

657
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:13,559
these plants going.

658
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:16,079
Speaker 3: It should be it should be a global effort. But instead,

659
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,239
you know, like like monkeys with sports teams, each one

660
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,599
waving a different banner. We're all fighting, We're all fight.

661
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,840
This is our national blah blah blah. It's so, you know,

662
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:32,920
it's it's these things are you know, exponentially older and longer.

663
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:36,360
They've been around much longer than human civilization and all

664
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,519
our dumb shit. I mean, there's a context you want

665
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,440
to hook that. You want to make sure the countries

666
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,239
are stable where these things are you know, living today

667
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,559
as well, you don't, you know, And and certainly if

668
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,239
anybody's profiting, you want the countries to be profiting more

669
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,400
than anybody else. But but still the conservation, I just

670
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,280
see so many impediments to.

671
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: Conservative people have money and power or are not into it.

672
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,440
They want to plant a flag on a sterile Mars, right,

673
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,960
and then they're going to think they buy something, right.

674
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:11,800
I mean that the earth is like the first stage

675
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,159
of their rocket to the to the universes. They think

676
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:18,880
of it, and that the first stage, you know, is

677
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,280
not recycled, that it falls off and burns, and that's there.

678
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:25,440
That's the kind of attitude they have about the Earth

679
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:28,440
is it's a launching pad for the human species that's

680
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,360
going to do like Star Trek. I mean, they're living

681
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,760
in a dream world and they're influencing policy and taking

682
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,679
resources and it's tragic.

683
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,599
Speaker 3: Just yeah, just crazy, crazy fucking apes. Yeah. The I mean,

684
00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:46,400
I see, I worry about more. I was in the

685
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,159
Hall of Botany in the Field Museum two days ago,

686
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,840
which is it's amazing, and I was just thinking, I'm like, God,

687
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,480
they're gonna they're gonna get rid of.

688
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 2: This whole a greater barrier.

689
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: They're gonna get a greater But I kept worrying. I'm like,

690
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,480
you know, you get the wrong person in charge here,

691
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:07,679
some business asshole, some fucking turd out of business school,

692
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,159
who's you know, destined to make money the whold his

693
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,800
whole ideas. He's gonna make it fifthically, it's self sustaining.

694
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,320
He's gonna make it. You know, he's gonna find a

695
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,840
way to hore it out even more. They already have

696
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,000
corporate events there every week and they kick you out

697
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:25,119
like twenty minutes early. They're setting They got people in tuxedos,

698
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,039
the caters setting out tuxedos. You know, they're dressed up

699
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,400
like the caters, setting up the tables with the tablecloths

700
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,400
and the chandeliers and.

701
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,599
Speaker 2: Shit, the classist agender.

702
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: Right right right and so, but and I can just

703
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,679
I just imagine it. One day, I'm gonna walk into

704
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:41,519
the Field Museum in the Hall of Botany's gonna be

705
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:43,920
gone already. I went to Garfield Park Conservatory when I

706
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,920
was in Chicago too. They're already charging ten bucks ahead

707
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,039
now to get in there. It used to be free.

708
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:50,199
It used to be supported.

709
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 2: And compared to San Francisco, the San Francis, the California,

710
00:40:58,519 --> 00:40:59,960
it's just how much.

711
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: How much is San Francisco now? That used to be free.

712
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,119
You could always sneak in those two.

713
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: Ten years ago it was twenty five bucks. The only

714
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,239
reason I got in was because of Frank Almeida to

715
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,679
use that or burial.

716
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,119
Speaker 3: I remember, I used it all used to be free.

717
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,519
The San Francisco Botenant Garden used to be free, and

718
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:17,960
you get paid. You get derelic kids in there who

719
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:19,920
were just going in there to smoke pot. But then

720
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,880
maybe one or two of them would be would look

721
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,800
at where they were, you know, and realize how cool

722
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,000
it was and gain a little bit more of an

723
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,519
appreciation for the floor.

724
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: Of the world.

725
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: But that's now, that's not going to happen because they're

726
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,880
going to see that fucking high price tag and say no,

727
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,159
let's just go you know, smoke pot behind a fieldhouse,

728
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:42,639
journals or something. You know, so, uh, everybody suffers. Museums

729
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,280
used to be free too. I mean, that's all this

730
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,400
stuff should be paid for. But that's part of the agenda.

731
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,440
I guess that Reagan really said in in in Action

732
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:52,800
right where everything's got to be.

733
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 2: It's been you know, it's it's been forever. The country

734
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,559
was founded by rich people, really, and and they put

735
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:08,239
in the constitution many checks against democracy, and and uh,

736
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:12,360
you know, various times they've made it better and then

737
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,079
torn it back down. And the last one was fdr

738
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,960
who you know, really put an end to the business cycle,

739
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,079
the kind of reforms they did for the financial reforms

740
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:27,639
he put in place. Because of the major depression, and

741
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:32,360
he was forced by mass strikes and masks unrest, he

742
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,519
had to do something, even though the riche people fought him,

743
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,039
and so he he set something up where there weren't

744
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:42,800
depressions again. There weren't that. They weren't these side Now

745
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,400
we've got the rules. It was and it was fucking

746
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,280
Clinton who took the keystone out of the prevention of

747
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,599
these cycles of giant you know, collapses, and I think

748
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:59,440
we're headed for another one. Oh yeah, well many ways.

749
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,199
At this just happened twice. Now they say that two

750
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:09,400
thousand and eight was actually as bad as the Big Depression,

751
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,639
except that Obama propped up all the banks and gave

752
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,679
them all our money.

753
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 3: Yeah that was well, that's just the story of modern capitalism.

754
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,519
But they're the people that do this shit are people

755
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,559
that don't know They lead fucking the popper lives. They

756
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:29,000
don't know anything else besides money and status and all

757
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,000
this thoroughly boring shit. I mean, I try to imagine

758
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,199
the world they live in, Like what what do they

759
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,119
care about? Like the shiny shit they like? Fake? The

760
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:44,599
Trump Ship's on a gold toilet, like they what the what.

761
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: Do you like a.

762
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: Fucking nine year old? I mean, they're gold and people

763
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,280
think it's cool. The fucking peons, a lot of the

764
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,400
peons that in the voting for him think it's cool.

765
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,679
It blows my mind, you know, I try to not

766
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,159
make it political too much on a podcast, but I

767
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:03,800
can't help it lately, the dumb shit. I mean, it's

768
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,199
just everyone's just gonna get it's everyone's just gonna get

769
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:10,960
stupider and and brokers, like there's the middle.

770
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: That's here, that's here, but that's not in China.

771
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:17,679
Speaker 3: Hey. But before I let you go, I saw one

772
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,719
of your another one of your favorite genara, the brachyotum.

773
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:22,800
I saw it and sit to with the in the

774
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,440
Paramo up in Ecuador, and I thought of you, I said,

775
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,880
my friend Martin, I've seen this in his yard and

776
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:28,800
Humboldt before.

777
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,159
Speaker 2: Where did you see it?

778
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: And you're sketchy home with the where the guy had

779
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,760
the camera that you all you got on clearance. You

780
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,639
got your house on clearance because the guy off himselves

781
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:40,880
in it.

782
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: This home has an artistic theme.

783
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:47,039
Speaker 3: No, it does, it does, and it's it's got your

784
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:49,239
and it's got the ghost of a guy who killed

785
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,719
himself there. I'm sure he's you know, he's happy with

786
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,159
what you guys have done with a place to reseriously

787
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,840
because you do have a wonderful year. Everywhere you go,

788
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,840
it's like a fucking botanic garden. Wherever you move you

789
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,719
turn your yarn botanic garden. I saw Brachiotum. I forget

790
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,079
which ones it wasn't how many how many species of

791
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:10,920
brachiotom are that with those pendent flowers, those pendant beautiful flowers.

792
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: There's a lot of them, and they're all they're all

793
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,599
like micro endemics, and many of them are rare and endangered.

794
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,639
Speaker 3: Okay, you had Brachiotom companiolaire, and then I.

795
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: Don't have that one. And in this in this situation,

796
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:29,559
it got it's it's almost nine feet.

797
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: Tall, it got eight feet Christ Jesus.

798
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,559
Speaker 2: And then I then I have one that I don't

799
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:39,239
have a name on. And when I sent pictures to

800
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,760
Frank Almeida, he sent them to a graduate student, this

801
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,159
was about a few years ago, who was working on them.

802
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,760
And the graduate student said it was it hadn't been

803
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,320
that kind, hadn't been reported from the area where I

804
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,000
collected it. And I have to say it was a

805
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,559
very infrequent plant. I really only saw it on one

806
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:00,920
place and only a couple of plants, and there was

807
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:07,920
this other species that was all over and so I

808
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,719
don't think it has a name. I don't know whether

809
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,719
it's been treated or not. But it's this very small

810
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,960
stature of one it gets about three feet.

811
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 3: And Metifolium is the other one. I saw Bracciotum letifolium with.

812
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 2: The white, the kind of flowered one. Then there's there's

813
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,280
jamesny I, which has tiny, tiny ninety leaves. But when

814
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,119
you get into proved there's just all kinds of species

815
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:34,360
of them. I did see a wonderful species that was

816
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,280
at a lower elevation that was almost tree like and

817
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,400
which is covered with flowers that didn't have any seed

818
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,960
on it. And in Potocarpus National Park, now it's a

819
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:48,400
very interesting group. It has flaws like the corollas drop

820
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:51,280
right away, so if they held onto them they'd be better.

821
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,480
But then the you know, then the I guess there's

822
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:59,079
a hypantheum then that turns red and that's pretty The

823
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:01,159
hybrid I made is pretty good. I think it would

824
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:02,599
be horticulturally acceptable.

825
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: And they're all fuzzy. They're all all the pair. I mean,

826
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,599
all the paramot stuff is fuzzy. Even though it's not

827
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,440
a dry climate. That's just I guess installation against sun

828
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:10,960
and cold.

829
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, UV protection and cold protection. They did get frost

830
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:19,239
damage out of a surprise, because I got some of

831
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,920
them at Kajas, which is all above. It's all above

832
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,960
four thousand meters.

833
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: Did you you know really quickly? Sorry to change it

834
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:35,199
really quick, but the eighty anthem Toilentz variety sulfurium, that

835
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:41,519
golden dry zer beautiful, that Xeric Maidenhair. I sent you

836
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:44,000
some spores at that. Did you get them?

837
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I got them. I don't know that they're

838
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,719
at the right stage. I think maybe they they were

839
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,280
a little bit young, because there was there were no

840
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,079
real scores and they had all they hissed.

841
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might.

842
00:47:57,079 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 2: I shared some with Archie and he has sewed his.

843
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,880
And also I shared you sent me some of those

844
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:10,039
tristeric seeds and the ones that were already mature had

845
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:13,960
germinated and failed in the in the thing. But one

846
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,960
of them was green and that one is still looking good.

847
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,000
And I put it against you know, one of the

848
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:25,519
two of those track series I have and and uh,

849
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:27,880
it's it may work? Is it?

850
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,679
Speaker 3: Interpecting it? God? I hope so please it's not.

851
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: It's not doing that. But it's still green and it's

852
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,400
plump and it's been a month. And the other one,

853
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,599
the other one's got a lot of mold, and actually

854
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,440
Archie dissected them and he sent me a picture and

855
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,440
it showed that the you know, the radical had already

856
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,199
emerged and had separated from the kadalidens. So so, but

857
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,440
but it's a it's a good lesson because I'm sure

858
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,360
you collected mixed stages. So there were some that were

859
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,039
all ripe, and then there were some that were This

860
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:03,760
one was green, and I'd say I would go for

861
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,639
early harvest next time to get ones that are you know,

862
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,559
not quite right.

863
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 3: But they were covered in in. Uh, they were covered

864
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:17,519
and the plants were covered in in. I think if

865
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:21,440
it's some sort of something was was sucking to juice

866
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,880
on them, I think it looked like but I mean

867
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,480
they were still doing great. They were huge cactie, very

868
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,079
really interesting.

869
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:33,159
Speaker 7: But that ada did you run across any did you

870
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,920
run across any that had died and that you could

871
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,320
see inside the the the parasite I have I had

872
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,119
photos of those because.

873
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: But Jim Marseth did studies on those and dissected you know,

874
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,320
He's got a whole paper on.

875
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: There's a tremendous mass that that those parasites have a

876
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,280
tremendous mass in those cacti from my oppression because I

877
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,079
saw big sections that had died and had rotted away,

878
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,000
but the parasite in them it looked like intestines and

879
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:08,519
it was it was like it was like a little

880
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:10,440
fine ones, a little like worms or whatever.

881
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:12,639
Speaker 3: And color was it white or red?

882
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 2: Well, at that time it was dead and these had

883
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,639
been sun bleached. Now, the way the cact died.

884
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:20,519
Speaker 3: I guess it would just be white. Yeah, but you'd

885
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:21,199
be able to tell.

886
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,039
Speaker 2: What I saw was the asylum of the parasite in

887
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:31,400
the Yeah, and the flesh had melted away, But there

888
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:34,320
was it, and it was I'd say i'd estimate that

889
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,840
it was half in some cases it was half the volume.

890
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:41,679
Speaker 3: It's crazy because the cacti don't seem to struggle. They

891
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,639
don't seem like it's they're being set back. They seemed

892
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:47,760
totally fine. And it's only in trich Issus and you

893
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,559
lick me. I've seen it hit Michaelo punch you, which

894
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,719
is a little opunthioid. But it it didn't seem like

895
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,599
it was really having a much luck. Tristrix didn't seem

896
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:00,800
like it was thriving. It was really only on the

897
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,800
Tricho series and Eulicknia. A lot of these parasitisms. I

898
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,199
think they're maybe a little bit more complicated than we

899
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,559
assume as humans, you know, I don't think it's as

900
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:15,079
simple as even a parasitic relationship, especially in the case

901
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:18,440
some of the micoheterotrophs, Like when I saw rach nitis,

902
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:24,800
that weird spider plant looking, you know, micoheterotroph Oh, I.

903
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: Did see that once in Chile.

904
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that parasitizes glomarro my sea. It's the

905
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,840
you know, our buscular micro rise a and the I

906
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:41,159
don't know if I don't coomas glomus. Yeah, but anyway,

907
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:44,159
it's but there's eighty anthem that I think I sent

908
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:46,920
you a photo of it. Fucking why. I can't believe

909
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,880
nobody's growing that thing. It's like a drought time.

910
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: I didn't see a photo. But I think the problem

911
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,800
with it is that it's one of these ferns that

912
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,159
has mass release at one time of year, and if

913
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,800
you're not there that time of year, you're not gonna

914
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,159
get any So when I was there, it was they were,

915
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,119
and that would have been in December. They were emerging,

916
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,880
new fresh and a whole slope. It was a sparse forest,

917
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,079
so they got a lot of light, and I mean

918
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:20,719
it was just solid them. But they were all just

919
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,519
new fronds, so they had nothing, but they were covered

920
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:24,639
with that beautiful farina.

921
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 3: See this was at the base of a boulder, next

922
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,800
to like a garbage dump just south of Santiago. It's

923
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,840
just like it's just like a sunny area, fucking blazing

924
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,079
baccarus everywhere. I mean, it was really hot. It was

925
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,880
like a dry It felt like someplace in the Central

926
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,079
Valley of California or maybe, uh, but it's a fucking

927
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:46,679
maidenhair fern growing there.

928
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 2: It was I wonderfully, I wonder if we could trace

929
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,639
that area. I saw it was a property. It was

930
00:52:52,639 --> 00:53:00,800
a private property from uh, I'm sure they're both. He

931
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,280
was a doctor in Concepcion and he had a nursery

932
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:10,920
which he called Vivo Peninsula. And he took us to

933
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:13,880
his nursery, which wasn't where he lived. And he had

934
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,079
secondary growth forests. So there was lappage area and there

935
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,159
were all these things, and then there was this slope

936
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,559
that was all that fern in New Frands. Jesus, it

937
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:28,119
was dazzling. Now that I did collect undersides I have.

938
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:32,039
I have the regular poretti I and that that one

939
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:35,519
which you know they fight. Is it an anthem Salensi

940
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,440
variety sulfuria or is it or is it poretti I

941
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,639
variety sulfuria. But the Parretti I have has that parina,

942
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:50,840
but only in the inside, the the pseudosaurus.

943
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,599
Speaker 3: The fit the false indusium or what is it?

944
00:53:54,719 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, that's right, I'm sorry. Yeah. So yeah, well

945
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,480
we'll see. You know, Archie is very meticulous and we'll

946
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,159
see if he gets anything from it.

947
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 3: Let me, let me, let me, let me let this pipee.

948
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,440
I want to keep telling you, but let me get

949
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,599
let me, let me drop the podcast from everybody. I'll

950
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:16,920
get back to you in a second. One wait, hold

951
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:18,679
hold on them. Actually I want to because I want

952
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:22,639
to tell you about phylesia. You introduced me to Phyleijia magillanica.

953
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:26,719
That incredible place. It's fucking so. It's dominant in those

954
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:30,320
alerse forests. It's everywhere, and you can grow all this stuff.

955
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,480
You grow all this stuff in Humboldt, in your little

956
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:34,360
yard in Eureka.

957
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 2: It very much likes humbleth This is very similar to

958
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,320
the climate. If it lives in It's aid. I mean

959
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,440
it lives actually in a wetter area. I mean there's

960
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,599
a lot of Sphagnum moss and there's the alys forest

961
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,079
and it did just very very wet, and it does

962
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:50,360
things there. I'm not sure it's capable of doing here.

963
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,440
But and uh, I mean, you know, I have them,

964
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,840
and I have them big enough to fill twenty gallon

965
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,039
containers now.

966
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 3: M Jesus. And because they're everywhere, they're and they're growing up,

967
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,440
they're like vining up these alers trees. They're they're just

968
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:05,280
so dominant.

969
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 5: Me.

970
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,639
Speaker 2: I didn't, I didn't see, but I've seen pictures where

971
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,639
and it makes sense. I think they're they there's a

972
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,599
there's a bunch of plants that do exactly that. There's

973
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:22,679
there's my Traia and as a gesneria, it puts its

974
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,400
the stems go up and uh and they get into

975
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:31,159
furrowed bark and then they put out very short, strong

976
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,239
adherent roots.

977
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,079
Speaker 3: Just a few yea. Yet that was another. Yeah, all

978
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,719
these things hummering bird pollinated the fight. Do the hummers

979
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,039
hit the Phyleisia that you got?

980
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:47,599
Speaker 2: They probably do, I mean I haven't since I moved them.

981
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,840
They're kind of adjusting still. I mean I used to

982
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,360
get a big flowering and fall at San Francisco, and

983
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,119
I haven't had that yet here, And maybe it's because

984
00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:01,280
it favors their vegetative growth, just growing like crazy.

985
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:05,559
Speaker 3: How's Eureka been. Have you been enjoying Eureka?

986
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's been very rainy, and I did

987
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,840
get away to Thailand for three for two weeks, and

988
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,239
I'm going to South Africa in a few days first

989
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,480
for almost a.

990
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 3: Month, which is doing botany stuff for what.

991
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm you know, I've been. I've been focusing

992
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:32,079
on some obscure groups of protea and I was making

993
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:38,480
a connection by which I could possibly get some of

994
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:44,000
the more unusual species of my meetes. But my the

995
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:50,559
person doing that died tragically. He was going to send

996
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:53,280
me seeds of all these You just can't get them,

997
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,360
and many of them are are critically in danger. And

998
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,239
you had them all in his front yard right across

999
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:04,400
from the Harold Porter Botanical Garden. And his wife was

1000
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,880
a well known is a well known botanical illustrator. But

1001
00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:11,880
he you know, I met him, very nice guy, maybe

1002
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:17,320
in the sixties and just a couple of months after

1003
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,480
I returned. He he just died one day.

1004
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: So Jesus. Those wait, those proteas, though, wouldn't you you'd

1005
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,440
have trouble growing at in in Eureka, wouldn't you. It's

1006
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:30,239
still wet up there.

1007
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:34,599
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm I'm very successful with a whole

1008
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:38,400
bunch of them. There's some like I had trouble with sulfuria,

1009
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,119
which is a beautiful one. It's more of an inland

1010
00:57:41,199 --> 00:57:44,400
one where you get you know, you get hotter, you

1011
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,320
also get colder. But you know, the ones I like

1012
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:53,480
are are the prostrate ones. And there's there's a few

1013
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:59,760
sections of them that rodent pollinated and h you know,

1014
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,360
like a collos which grows almost the shoots can go underground.

1015
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,760
It makes a big mat on the ground because it

1016
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,280
can have you know, different ones you find will have

1017
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:11,239
better flowers than others.

1018
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,599
Speaker 3: Because as a protea are my meat.

1019
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,599
Speaker 2: Now there's a protella. Yeah, I'm sorry, not my meates.

1020
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:22,199
They're they're all kind of shrubby plants and they're but

1021
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:27,079
the problem there is their rarity there and so and

1022
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:32,360
also they have they grow them there mostly grafted because

1023
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,239
of their sensitivity to soil fungi because the soils are

1024
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,000
so clean there, and you get the burning that cleans

1025
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:42,360
up the soils. They meet, you know, they they meet

1026
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,039
the fungi here and and they're gone. I have I

1027
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:48,840
have three species of my meates that are doing well

1028
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:49,360
up here.

1029
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,239
Speaker 3: They're not the proteas are not Micae rhizel. I don't

1030
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:55,119
think they've got those proteoid roots which which are able

1031
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:58,039
to what do they secrete? They secrete some sort of

1032
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,360
uh acidic compound. You know, I should have I used

1033
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,199
to know this, I forgot, But.

1034
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: Well, all I know is that they're very finely branched,

1035
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,480
and they make these cushions of very and they increase

1036
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:15,199
the surface area tremendously, so they're they're actually you know,

1037
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,199
like the fungus which has the massoleum is so fine.

1038
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:23,199
It's surface area is incredible in which to draw off,

1039
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:27,159
the draw into the the the the nutrients and so

1040
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,679
these yeah, they're an annual root, the proteoid root that

1041
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:34,719
they produce in their growth cycle, and masses of really

1042
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,719
fine roots. There's there are different ways plants do that.

1043
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,960
There was a study a few years back about these

1044
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:47,000
roots structures which merc are probably understudied, but in you know,

1045
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,519
I grew a lot of rescuos first, long time ago,

1046
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:53,599
and they have what they call capilliform roots and there's

1047
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:56,920
it's a bunch of root hairs and and there they

1048
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,440
look they're very similar. It's it's convergence between them and

1049
01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:02,039
the proteoid roots.

1050
01:00:02,239 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 3: And but all adapted to dealing with these nutrient poor

1051
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:08,440
soils of South Africa. Like all these are adaptations to

1052
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:13,119
nutrient poor soils of South Africa. The quartzite it's too

1053
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:16,079
lean maybe to support the fungi that would work with

1054
01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:19,119
them on that. Yeah. Yeah, so they've evolved without it,

1055
01:00:19,159 --> 01:00:22,480
and so as a result, they're super prone to uh

1056
01:00:22,679 --> 01:00:27,000
to rot. But that that bank you had banks, the

1057
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:30,440
Integra Fullia outside your house in Emoryville.

1058
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:33,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could that could be a national champion. That

1059
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:38,840
thing is getting so big and I'm afraid it's gonna.

1060
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,599
Speaker 3: In the neighbor house. It's not so bad. Silasi by

1061
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,840
and silassa b uh, which is not surprising because silasovy

1062
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,480
cyan essence which eats the cones is Australian in origin too,

1063
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:51,159
it seems I guess.

1064
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,599
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's that's new knowledge, isn't it.

1065
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the research came out. They're all subrugenosa. Yeah,

1066
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:01,679
your friend mister Rockefeller, right right, and uh and the

1067
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,599
Australian guy too, I forget his name.

1068
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,519
Speaker 2: Ah, that's fascinating stuff.

1069
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,039
Speaker 3: Really wild. Yeah, it just showed up here. Well, okay,

1070
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:11,079
well I guess I'll let you go. I didn't mean

1071
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:15,360
for this to be a forty minute conversation with Martin Granthamia.

1072
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: But you know, people are calling it an epiphyte. A

1073
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,159
couple people that were down in Chile, and but it

1074
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:26,440
makes a big root mass in in soil and uh,

1075
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:29,320
and it's it's not Mike Riizel because it doesn't have

1076
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,280
root hairs. I mean it, it is Michael Zelt because

1077
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,880
it doesn't have root hairs. So I don't know what's

1078
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,039
with it, but somebody could stay it and figure.

1079
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: I haven't seen the roots of those God, they were

1080
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,480
just they were fucking everywhere. You know. What I saw too,

1081
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,679
which I thought was cool, was when I was an

1082
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:48,800
Ecuador a ton of epiphytic Erica's all the Kevin dishes

1083
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,440
and the god there's like nine different fucking genera. There's

1084
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,480
probably fifteen different genera I saw. But I saw a

1085
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,599
couple epiphytes in the paramo that they were. They were epiphytes,

1086
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:02,920
but they huge caudices. They had a like woody cautix,

1087
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,000
like a woody knob.

1088
01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:11,599
Speaker 2: Even though yeah, there's an inter Andean dry forest around Pasachoa,

1089
01:02:11,679 --> 01:02:14,599
and when you look up into that forest you see

1090
01:02:14,639 --> 01:02:17,800
these massive coutices that if they fell on you, they'd

1091
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,159
kill you. I mean they're three feet across.

1092
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,119
Speaker 3: And they're just blueberries. They're just neotropical blueberries.

1093
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,079
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, yeah, and then they fall on the ground.

1094
01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:33,800
But yeah, that's a that's a very interesting group that uh,

1095
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:37,000
what was it. A Lutine at New York Botanical Garden

1096
01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:39,840
was the first guy to bring a lot in and

1097
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,639
then they guarded those plants. But now they're coming in

1098
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,400
and and there's just tremendous diversity, and they are promiscuous.

1099
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:52,440
They may be overnaming things because they like within to

1100
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,679
sarah to the stemma. Those are all seemed so far.

1101
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,119
I found one case where they weren't of the ones

1102
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:04,199
I've got that they weren't interfertile, but a lot of

1103
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:08,760
them are interfertile, and they yield a lot of intergrading.

1104
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:13,199
And I noticed, you know, like the one from Equahander

1105
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:18,119
I was recently named, and it looks just like a

1106
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:26,280
hybrid I made between RAWII and and another one that

1107
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,239
looks totally different.

1108
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:32,079
Speaker 3: But I saw Serato Stemma elatum there twelve thousand feet

1109
01:03:32,199 --> 01:03:35,320
on the equator, and that that was fucking incredible, the

1110
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,280
one with the recurved pedals, and it was everywhere bright

1111
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:43,199
red flowers. All these things are you know COVID, I know,

1112
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,760
you know the old prison wall it only had room,

1113
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,039
the old prison wall, it only had room for so much.

1114
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,639
We're saying this on a live podcast. Through I can't

1115
01:03:50,679 --> 01:03:53,920
be telling the customs like twenty seas in my ass.

1116
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 2: I'm not editing ship.

1117
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,719
Speaker 3: Now we're joking around. None of this is real. We're

1118
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,119
all just playing games. It's all gigs and no one's

1119
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:04,840
trans But I did bring her barrum specimens, but I

1120
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,239
declared those uh as well, So that is you could

1121
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:10,199
you could take her berrum specimens as long as they're

1122
01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:13,880
dry and there's no fruit, seeds or soil on them. Okay.

1123
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,480
But lastly, Martin, have the tweakers in Eureka? Has there

1124
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:20,480
been any altercations with that or they they just out

1125
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:22,840
they're dancing in the medians or has it. I remember

1126
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,920
there being a lot of tweakers in the Eureka Arcada area.

1127
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,800
Have you had any issues? No issues? Right, they're they're

1128
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,280
generally friendly or what.

1129
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,719
Speaker 2: Well, you know there was that series on TV, what

1130
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,159
was it, Murder Fountain or something.

1131
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,679
Speaker 3: Oh and that's fun.

1132
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's pretty that's a few miles from me.

1133
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,960
But you know, and you know on this this thing,

1134
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,880
this that they're called the what neighborhood, you know, and

1135
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:55,239
it's like a it's a you get these it's a

1136
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,880
group of people that email each other about the neighborhood next.

1137
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:02,199
Speaker 3: Door And is it like that the next door exactly

1138
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,599
where people fight it with each other and stitch on

1139
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:05,639
each other and like.

1140
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 2: People complaining, campaigning about theft, breaking into cars.

1141
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 3: Now, oh yeah, that's tweaker stuff. That's tweaker ship there.

1142
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: You got to Yeah, our our property is is off

1143
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:25,920
the main road down an easement, a narrow easement, and

1144
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,039
then you know we put a lot of lights.

1145
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 3: Right. You gotta you gotta take the construction glue and

1146
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,440
glue broken glass to the tops of the fences, nail

1147
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:36,480
down everything. Don't leave ship in your car because they'll

1148
01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:42,280
take everything you know. I mean, oh, yeah, it was, Yeah,

1149
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,960
it was Yeah, the Oakland they'd steal everything the Bay

1150
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:45,400
Area that.

1151
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,519
Speaker 2: My tenant says, it's happening again.

1152
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,719
Speaker 3: Because it's I'm bipping Central.

1153
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1154
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 3: That's one thing I don't have to worry about the tweakers.

1155
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,880
Here in Texas. Everyone's on a different drug. It's called GAD.

1156
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:59,800
So it's you know, it's kind of what it's called GAD.

1157
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,840
Everyone's so very very religious area, but it's but it's

1158
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,840
you know, it's a trade off. It's you gotta deal

1159
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,960
with some shit and then you don't have to deal

1160
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,079
with with some other shit. So anyway, Martin, I didn't

1161
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:13,840
mean this to be a forty minute conversation, but I

1162
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,400
certainly appreciate you, and I want to say thank you.

1163
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,280
You know you that's how you know who your friends are.

1164
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,199
You call them out. You just cold call them at

1165
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,119
fucking nine pm on a weekday night and they pick

1166
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:29,119
up at Martin grant them everybody. Okay, I didn't. I

1167
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:30,960
didn't mean for that to go on as long as

1168
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,519
it did, but I'm glad it did because Martin's a

1169
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:37,079
wonderful man. And uh, that was a fun conversation. You

1170
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:39,199
never know where it's gonna go. We covered all different

1171
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,320
kinds of stuff over there. Next thing, you know, we're

1172
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,360
talking about the family penny Ac in South Africa. Order

1173
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,800
them Mertle's. That's a fucking weird one. Look that one up.

1174
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,159
Jesus Christ. P E N A E A C E

1175
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,840
A E Jesus Christ. How many vows you got to

1176
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,079
put in there? I wonder about you know, I'm so

1177
01:06:57,159 --> 01:07:00,400
glad I never learned Latin as an actual language. That

1178
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:02,679
is like epic nerd status. Shit, didn't they do that?

1179
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,599
And did Post decided it? Did they make the genteels

1180
01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:07,960
do that? Back in when I went to private school

1181
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,719
on hundre years ago, you still had to learn Latin?

1182
01:07:10,239 --> 01:07:11,639
Was that a thing? I don't know. I would have

1183
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:15,960
been kicked out anyway, Moving along on its most recent

1184
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:19,880
trip to Chicago, before we went to the Field Museum.

1185
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,760
Before we hit the Field Museum, we hit Garfield Park

1186
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,039
Conservatory and I went and checked out. God, I forget

1187
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:31,320
how nice that conservatory is. It really is. It's a jewel.

1188
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:34,639
It's a jewel in the crown, as they say, the

1189
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,400
jewel in the crown. It's a it's a charm, it's

1190
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:43,400
a fucking it's like a the it's the canned tomatoes

1191
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,559
on top of the slice of deep dish Garfield Park Conservatories.

1192
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:49,239
I went and we went and had deep dish. Afterwards,

1193
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,960
by the way, we went to Rico Benez which is

1194
01:07:52,039 --> 01:07:57,320
under the Freeway viaduct near Chinatown two fifty two West

1195
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,559
twenty sixth Street and Beautiful Chicago, and they're twenty sixth

1196
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,800
in the Dan right now. What is it? It's not

1197
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,039
the Dan Ryan. What is that freeway? I don't know.

1198
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:09,679
It's worth fifty five and ninety meat right by one

1199
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:11,159
of the train yards. He used to one of the

1200
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:14,519
train yards there, but we went there because well, we

1201
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:16,279
didn't hit. We used to go to the spot on

1202
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,479
California and Archer, I forget what it was. We used

1203
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,439
to go to Falco's Pizza, and now we started going

1204
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,319
to Rico Benz because you don't have to order a

1205
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:27,159
whole slice. You don't have to order a whole pizza.

1206
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,800
You can just order an individual slice, which we did.

1207
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:33,479
I had three or four. I hated myself when I left.

1208
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,640
I felt bad about myself. I had a lower self

1209
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,720
esteem when I came out of that place, and when

1210
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,600
I went in I said, I didn't need to do

1211
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,439
all that, but it was fucking delicious and again better

1212
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,399
at than Heroin. I don't know whether there's been so

1213
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,560
many Heroin references to can forget anyway, moving on, so

1214
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,720
we went to Rico Benes. We first went there last

1215
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,479
year because it turns out one of Al's he went

1216
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,960
to school with this girl whose dad owned Rico Bene's.

1217
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,159
But you know now it's just he forgets he's he

1218
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:10,159
has since forgotten her name. But we went to We

1219
01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:13,319
went through Co Benes that first time last year was amazing.

1220
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,520
I said, this is really nice. There was a milkshake too,

1221
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,039
which I got, which no grown man needs to be doing.

1222
01:09:20,079 --> 01:09:23,039
You don't need to be drinking a milkshake. It's fucking whore.

1223
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:27,199
You're gonna get diabetes. But it was delicious and it's

1224
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:29,800
wonderful after you know, a long day of walking around.

1225
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,800
We went there after we did the South Side pot

1226
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:37,000
video and we botanized that Miriam Burnham Prairie. That was

1227
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:42,039
the first Rico Benny's excursion. But I wonder has anyone

1228
01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:45,720
ever closed Rico Benes? And if you have, go ahead

1229
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,960
and give me a just email me let me know

1230
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,840
if you've if you've stayed till closing time in Rico

1231
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,439
Benny's restaurant at twelve thirty in the morning, that's when

1232
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:58,279
they closed. They got free parking. It's under the viaduct.

1233
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:01,720
It's a beautiful brick facade. They got a nice sign.

1234
01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:05,640
I saw a Chevy Caprice from the late eighties parked

1235
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:10,239
up front. Looked like one of the old school mafia vehicles,

1236
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:12,600
like something my dad's cousin used to drive. He was

1237
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:17,199
a bookie for the Chicago outfit. Who was on the

1238
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:22,119
books is a Hershey candy bar salesman anyway, making you

1239
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:24,439
a few hundred grand a year, supposedly. I don't know

1240
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,880
what he did with that money. You gotta launder that.

1241
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,560
What can you do with that because you can't take

1242
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,279
it with you. The feds are gonna take it, especially

1243
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:33,600
after you croak, which he did, alright, Pete Lenny. Anyway,

1244
01:10:34,319 --> 01:10:37,439
So we went to Rico Benny's, and I realized too,

1245
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,600
when I every time I go back and have Chicago

1246
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,800
like good Chicago pizza, I realized what a fucking travesty

1247
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,640
it is these other places. There's a couple deep dish

1248
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,640
places down here in South Texas, and there was a

1249
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,279
spot in Oakland too that said it was Chicago deep dish.

1250
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,760
None of them are Chicago deep dish. They skip on

1251
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,079
tomato sauce. They don't put actual tomato. There should be

1252
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:02,840
canned tomatoes on the slice. It should be heavy, should

1253
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,880
be weighted, the crust should be intoxicating. It's like a

1254
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,600
corn meal mix. Okay, now I'm no foodie, I'm just

1255
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,119
a slob, but still this is it's it's the it's

1256
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:16,920
the food equivalent of opiates. You should walk out of

1257
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,239
there feeling like you're comatose, like you're like you're like

1258
01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:23,359
you just got out of an opioid den and you

1259
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,479
hate yourself. That's the pre If you're not walking out

1260
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:30,119
of a deep dish place, a deep dish joint hating yourself,

1261
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,600
you're not doing it the way that it's supposed to

1262
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,239
be done. And don't ever don't ever go to Lumel

1263
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:38,800
noddies either. That's not a good idea and it's not

1264
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,479
real deep dish. Okay, we got that out of the

1265
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:44,439
way anyway. So we went to Garfield Park Conservatory, which

1266
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,279
they did finally start charging admission for ten bucks. A

1267
01:11:47,279 --> 01:11:49,920
person I saw that coming. They used to go. You

1268
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,920
could just go in there and tell your ZIP code

1269
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,640
and I would always say six or six O wait,

1270
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,760
which was the one of the last Chicago addresses I

1271
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,760
lived at. Uh the zip code there on the Southwest

1272
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,800
Side and uh uh. And I knew that because they

1273
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,439
would always ask when you went in for the zip

1274
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,039
for the what zip code you from? And so I

1275
01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:11,680
knew they're doing this because you know, some fucking administrative

1276
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,279
asshole is keeping tabs on this and they're going to

1277
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:17,479
see who's coming from where. Probably if people are coming

1278
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,000
from the suburbs, that means they're going to start charging.

1279
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,640
And so sure enough they did. I guess it's still

1280
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:26,279
free for Chicago residents if you got an ID, and

1281
01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:29,640
if you don't, you're screwed. And it's probably not gonna

1282
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,119
last for long either. I don't know. I don't know.

1283
01:12:32,319 --> 01:12:36,279
But again, if you're really into it, it's where and

1284
01:12:36,279 --> 01:12:38,359
you can afford it. We're just getting a membership because

1285
01:12:38,359 --> 01:12:40,279
all these places are going to start charging. That's the

1286
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,479
way of America. You can't have nice things for free.

1287
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,800
Everything's got to be a business. Everything's got to be

1288
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,560
privatized or make money somehow. I'm not the accountant for

1289
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,880
Chicago for Garfield Park Conservatory. Okay, maybe something happened. I

1290
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,159
don't know, but you know, maybe they got a good reason.

1291
01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:59,960
But it's disappointing either way. It really is, because this all,

1292
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,399
all this stuff should these educational institutions should be free

1293
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:05,680
because people are a lot more inclined to go. That said,

1294
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,640
it was still mobbed. It was great to see. I

1295
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,960
remember back in the day because I used to volunteer there.

1296
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,319
Back in the day. I used to go to Garfield

1297
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:14,319
Park Conservatory fifteen years ago. I go to the parking lot.

1298
01:13:14,359 --> 01:13:17,079
There was nobody there. You know, it's right off the

1299
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:18,840
green line too. You could take public transit if you

1300
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,560
wanted to and there would be nobody there. And I

1301
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,079
got into it with this guy who used to work there,

1302
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,399
who was a schmuck. Maybe he's not now, if he's still,

1303
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,319
if he happens to be listening to this, I don't know.

1304
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:33,600
He was the son of an alderman, so he was.

1305
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,439
He grew up in a nepotistic situation. But he was

1306
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,359
a prick back then. You know, he may he just

1307
01:13:38,399 --> 01:13:41,399
had unaddressed issues. They just give him the benefit of that.

1308
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,159
He just had unaddressed issues, like it was like some

1309
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:47,159
male rivalry. Shit was really weird. I just wanted to

1310
01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:49,680
go there so I could grow plants and cool down

1311
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,199
and not feel like killing people. And you know, he

1312
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:57,520
was actually in the upper echelons that of the uh,

1313
01:13:58,319 --> 01:14:00,880
the staff there, and he didn't like me, and so

1314
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,600
we got into it a lot. We butted heads, but

1315
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,319
he couldn't he couldn't ban me because I was you know,

1316
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:08,720
I came in through a different venue than than from him.

1317
01:14:09,159 --> 01:14:11,960
But regardless, it's they got the palm house, they got

1318
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,760
the fern room, one of the uh. They've got a

1319
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,439
glip to strobus pencils, which is a super rare member

1320
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:21,399
of the redwood family, critically endangered from China and Vietnam,

1321
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,000
where it grows in swamps. It looks like tax sodium disticum.

1322
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,640
They've actually got it mislabeled this tax sodium thisticum, which

1323
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,640
doesn't surprise me either. And it's it's growing in a

1324
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,439
little it's going in a pot in the middle of

1325
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:36,279
our pond room. You can't get up close to it

1326
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:39,239
and check out the leaves or the cones. The cones

1327
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:42,039
on it look really fucking cool. But this is a.

1328
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,479
It's glip of strobus pencils, which is the namesake genus

1329
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,359
of Medasuquoia glip distraboides, which is the dawn redwood tree,

1330
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,760
which is a fucking redwood that you can grow out

1331
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:55,000
doors in Chicago. Grows fast as hell. Not native, but

1332
01:14:55,079 --> 01:14:58,760
it's not invasive. Uh, you know, habitat value. If you're

1333
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:00,680
you know, going for like a killer long effect, you

1334
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,840
want to be like ecologically creating, you know, a living

1335
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,279
space for some of the stuff around you. It's not

1336
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,640
it's not native, it's not perfect. It's gonna provide it's

1337
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,239
not gonna provide much habitat value, but it'll be an

1338
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:16,520
instant screen. And it's a beautiful tree and it's not invasive,

1339
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,119
and it creates a really beautiful wood too. Metas Sequoia

1340
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:22,720
that Thestraboides used to be native to North America up

1341
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,199
until about a million and a half two million years ago,

1342
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,000
when the last populations, I think those are the oldest

1343
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,399
fossil and last populations died out. It just got too

1344
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,680
dry in the American West for this, uh, for this

1345
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,359
tree to hang on. But but it's in the same

1346
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:44,279
clade as Sequoia dendron and uh Coast redwood sequoia. So anyway,

1347
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:48,439
but they got I don't know who was doing they

1348
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,319
had wild shit. I forgot they had. They had some

1349
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:53,880
pretty wild shit at Garfield Park. They have wel Witchia.

1350
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,680
They have a large male well Witchia plant. They have

1351
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,720
Stenosirius bineki eye, which is that really cool one with

1352
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,560
the the glabrous white wax all over it, like the

1353
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:09,119
most the waxiest Steno sirius. It's a cactus that's looked

1354
01:16:09,159 --> 01:16:11,760
like it's so fucking waxy. It looks almost frosty like

1355
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:16,039
rivals some of the Chilean kopiapoa because it's in how

1356
01:16:16,079 --> 01:16:19,159
waxy it is. It's a really cool fucking plant. They've

1357
01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:24,880
got a Fukiria columnaris, a bujumri bujum tree from Baja California.

1358
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,079
They've got they've got a whole bunch of really cool

1359
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:34,079
uh desert plants in their desert room. And then they've

1360
01:16:34,079 --> 01:16:36,760
got Criscientia kuhete, which I talked about in that Ethno

1361
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,239
Botany of Ecuador video that I just did last month.

1362
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:43,920
The calabash tree, which is in the Catalpa family, big

1363
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,920
noniac and the fruits are used to make bowls, like

1364
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,800
you cut this wooden the wooden what I think it's

1365
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,960
the epicarp, the wooden epic The epicarp is like this

1366
01:16:55,039 --> 01:16:58,039
woody material that you can cut in half and it

1367
01:16:58,079 --> 01:17:01,479
makes a perfect bowl. It's pretty incredible. The fruits of

1368
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,439
this tree. That's why they call it the the calabash tree.

1369
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,159
The uh. And they again they use it for bowls

1370
01:17:07,239 --> 01:17:12,039
everywhere in in Ecuador. But I guess it's I guess

1371
01:17:12,039 --> 01:17:16,039
it's kind of a drought tolerant plant. Too. Really cool

1372
01:17:16,039 --> 01:17:17,720
to see that though. They got it in the aeroid room,

1373
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,000
they got giant monsteros and they had needum uh Nieman,

1374
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,399
which is a relative of well Witchia. It's the other

1375
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:33,960
genus in the the Ntopsida, which is a class you know,

1376
01:17:34,039 --> 01:17:37,920
the the I guess they're most closely related to pines.

1377
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,319
It's debatable though, but they're they're a gymnosperm. So you

1378
01:17:41,359 --> 01:17:43,640
got Wellwitchia. You have E. Fedra, which we get in

1379
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,600
the deserts of of North America, uh and South America,

1380
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:51,359
and I believe there's some of the deserts of of

1381
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,279
China as well. UH. You know, if fedrin, the chemical

1382
01:17:55,319 --> 01:17:56,560
compound comes from ephedra.

1383
01:17:57,279 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 5: Uh.

1384
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 3: And then you have well witchia, which is that. You know,

1385
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,479
if you've heard me talk about what witch you before,

1386
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,600
probably I fucking run in my mouth about all the time.

1387
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,159
Fog deserts of Namibia used to grow in Brazil what

1388
01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:12,159
is now Brazil before Brazil and Africa separated. And then

1389
01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:15,800
you've got the genus need them, so three genera. And

1390
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,119
I really wanted to see up close the floor the well,

1391
01:18:19,119 --> 01:18:24,279
it's not flowers, they're conifers. Technically they're they're gymnosperms. More appropriately,

1392
01:18:24,319 --> 01:18:26,399
maybe one other conifers. I think they're pretty closely related

1393
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:30,600
to the pies. Anyway, the I wanted to see the

1394
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,920
reproductive structures, the male strobil i male cones and the

1395
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:38,439
female strobell ee female cones. Uh. And it did not disappoint.

1396
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,640
It was it's a fucking weird you know, it's a

1397
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:46,039
weird structure, these things. It's like this, it's got nine

1398
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,840
the one the structure. I was going to have ad

1399
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:55,159
eight or nine series of male cones topped by female cones. Okay,

1400
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:57,960
so these are monacious. This one was at least and

1401
01:18:58,039 --> 01:19:02,399
it was producing uh fertile well, it looked like berries

1402
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,560
or droops. But there again, it's technically a female cone.

1403
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,880
It's like a red coffee bean sized, not a fruit

1404
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,319
because it's not an angiosperm. It's a conifer. But the

1405
01:19:13,399 --> 01:19:17,159
leaves look like angiosperm leaves. It it's got broad leaves.

1406
01:19:17,159 --> 01:19:20,239
It looks like a tropical just a you know, quote

1407
01:19:20,319 --> 01:19:26,079
unquote tropical plant. And it was in the tropical greenhouse,

1408
01:19:26,279 --> 01:19:28,039
you know, and there was I was still I was

1409
01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:30,119
disappointed to see that there was still some beds where

1410
01:19:30,119 --> 01:19:33,399
they were planting fifty of the same thing, like calissia,

1411
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,079
because that's what I grew up seeing botanic gardens do,

1412
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:40,680
and it sucked. There was little scientific context there. You know,

1413
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,479
it's just planting for depth and color and you know, anyway,

1414
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,840
So but to see this fucking thing, I don't know

1415
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,439
who collected is, I don't know who grew it. I know,

1416
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,119
you see, Davis has had trouble growing this genus before.

1417
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:56,840
But it's a really weird branch on the phylogenetic tree,

1418
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,840
the evolutionary tree of terrestrial plant life. And I was

1419
01:20:01,279 --> 01:20:03,079
most excited to be able to see it up close,

1420
01:20:03,119 --> 01:20:05,079
to get some nice money shots. I'm glad I brought

1421
01:20:05,079 --> 01:20:08,119
my decent camera my fucking nicons that have to take,

1422
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:12,439
you know, cell phone photos of it, because I'll use

1423
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,720
these in a presentation or if I teach a class. Again.

1424
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,239
Really good to have those on hand, you know. It's

1425
01:20:18,359 --> 01:20:21,279
reference photos for this other weird branch off. Not a

1426
01:20:21,319 --> 01:20:23,600
flowering plant, but the leaves make it look like one.

1427
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:28,920
And it's got a very very interesting reproductive structure. The

1428
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:34,720
male the megastrobeley, the female strobele excuse me, not male,

1429
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:39,760
the female strobe eye, the ovules. The seeds had a

1430
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,840
pollination droplet on him, just like on well Witchia and

1431
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,520
the cones of well Witchi. They get this little hair

1432
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,640
that comes out, there's a little droplet on it. I

1433
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,640
remember seeing that when I was in the Mibia too,

1434
01:20:49,079 --> 01:20:52,600
really really cool to see. All Garfield Park has to

1435
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,960
do now is get an Amberella. So if anybody can

1436
01:20:55,000 --> 01:21:01,760
send an Amberella seedling to Garfield Park Conservatory and your cargo, okay,

1437
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,000
and make sure you you contact someone who knows how

1438
01:21:04,079 --> 01:21:06,720
to grow it, because I don't know who the staff

1439
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,159
is there now. Some probably know what they're doing, some

1440
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:11,760
are not maybe his experienced, I don't know, I'm not.

1441
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,159
They all seem like lovely people, but I don't know

1442
01:21:14,199 --> 01:21:17,399
what people's different skill sets are. An amberella can be

1443
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,560
finicky and tricky, but they need a fucking amberella, okay,

1444
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,119
because it's the base of the angiosperm family treads. Very interesting.

1445
01:21:25,119 --> 01:21:30,319
The educational the educational potential of having an amborella in

1446
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:34,039
your in your glasshouse is unparalleled. You know you got that,

1447
01:21:34,199 --> 01:21:37,439
you could you could educate, get educate everybody. It's a

1448
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,079
living museum, I know.

1449
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

1450
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,079
Speaker 3: You see Davis has an amberella. What is it? Was

1451
01:21:43,119 --> 01:21:45,920
it Atlanta Botanical Garden. They were growing amberellas. They got

1452
01:21:46,279 --> 01:21:49,239
a male and a female plant that they're probably doing

1453
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:54,079
cross pollination, getting good fruits, getting good seeds. I grew

1454
01:21:54,119 --> 01:21:57,279
one once then may or may not have come from

1455
01:21:57,319 --> 01:22:04,319
New Caledonian seed. Uh that I acquired and I donated somewhere.

1456
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,279
And uh, I think I think it's still doing well

1457
01:22:07,319 --> 01:22:10,319
despite a student trying to kill it. Not really, but

1458
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,119
they might as well have been trying to kill it

1459
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:14,159
because they didn't. I don't know if they fucking overwatered

1460
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:16,520
it or didn't water it or what, but uh, I

1461
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:20,199
think it's still alive, thank god. Okay, anyway, we're gonna

1462
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:22,359
take a little break here. We're gonna We're gonna go

1463
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,000
back into the crime Pace vault and pull out a

1464
01:22:26,039 --> 01:22:29,800
little bit of an l Scorch bit from two years ago.

1465
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,720
This the full video can be seen in The Orchid

1466
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,279
Dungeon Part two.

1467
01:22:36,359 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 5: And it's when I told me that I could never

1468
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:42,279
come back to the Blockbuster video in McCook, Illinois. And

1469
01:22:42,279 --> 01:22:45,960
I said, listen, you got another take coming, buddy. If

1470
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,119
you think that I'm not gonna walk out of here

1471
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:51,359
right now with this cafe, a Carrot Tops chairman and

1472
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,600
a poort on VHS, okay, So I took it. I

1473
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,319
put it under my arm, but by had time, they

1474
01:22:57,359 --> 01:22:58,399
already called the cats.

1475
01:22:58,479 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 3: Okay.

1476
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 5: So I was on the fucking lad and out of nowhere,

1477
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:05,640
this guy tackles me, and apparently I was in such

1478
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,479
a state they feared for the safety. So he took

1479
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:12,000
out the tatherer with no hesitation. And I'm laying there

1480
01:23:12,199 --> 01:23:15,760
on the ground and I'm jiggling around, and he says, hey, buddy,

1481
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:19,359
no Carrot Top movie has worked this kind of hits.

1482
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,239
Speaker 2: I said, you don't know how.

1483
01:23:21,159 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 5: Much my little kid likes this freaking movie.

1484
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,039
Speaker 3: And it's all I got.

1485
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 5: I got it right now.

1486
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 3: Being a good dad.

1487
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,279
Speaker 2: He's bringing his fia.

1488
01:23:29,239 --> 01:23:33,279
Speaker 5: Just home because I fucked up everything else. Okay, Okay,

1489
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,159
he didn't know what was riding on it. He didn't

1490
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,359
know it was riding on it. And I took that

1491
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,840
and I stuffed it in my pants. I said, you

1492
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:45,079
want the goddamn v just type of chairman in the park,

1493
01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:47,600
you get hit the cook, touch my junk fart.

1494
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 2: Okay, you're freaking freak.

1495
01:23:52,119 --> 01:23:55,399
Speaker 3: Okay. Anyway, that was again. It's an Orchi Dungeon, Part two.

1496
01:23:55,960 --> 01:24:03,960
Wonderful exquisite expose, an eloquent expose, exquisite and eloquent expose

1497
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,640
of you know, some Chicago nostalgia. I mean, you know,

1498
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,840
when me and Al first met Blockbuster Video is actually

1499
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,720
still open. Used to have to go there to rent DVDs,

1500
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:18,079
which we would do while we were getting hammered occasionally,

1501
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:23,359
you know, after a long day of driving around returning

1502
01:24:23,399 --> 01:24:28,399
stuff to home depot or you know, uh, running different

1503
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:34,279
the gimmicks and gigs. So uh, anyway, see, I go

1504
01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:36,239
back to Chicago, and there's something I'm gonna end up

1505
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:38,840
moving back there one day, I bet probably if I

1506
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,600
have to stay in the United States. It's nice and

1507
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,279
the winters aren't gonna be much anymore because it doesn't

1508
01:24:44,319 --> 01:24:47,319
really get that cold anymore, especially not compared to how

1509
01:24:47,319 --> 01:24:49,520
it used to be, when it'd be so frigid, you know,

1510
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:53,439
negative ten fahrenheit, and the snow is blowing around. It's

1511
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,680
got the consistency of sand. It's biting your face, it's

1512
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:00,199
it's making a very distinct sound when you step on

1513
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:03,399
it outside it sounds it sounds like sand when you

1514
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,640
step on it. It's so cold and so hard. It's

1515
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,520
a terrible feeling. And you're waiting for the fucking Western

1516
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,359
Avenue bus at two in the morning on a frigid night,

1517
01:25:13,039 --> 01:25:16,279
bundled up, but you're still cold on the inside of

1518
01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:19,199
your soul and your heart, and you're filled with a

1519
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,760
rabid contempt for everything around you. And it's only then,

1520
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:29,119
in those dark moments of your your psyche, where you

1521
01:25:29,119 --> 01:25:32,600
can really find yourself and understand who you are is

1522
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:37,119
a person, and pull yourself up out of this wretched, depraved,

1523
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:42,760
contemptuous feeling that you've been bathing in for days, if

1524
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:46,680
not weeks, it seems. And and then, if true to that,

1525
01:25:47,079 --> 01:25:49,159
learned to love your fellow man, but from from a

1526
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:53,159
from a very long distance you don't want to be

1527
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:56,399
close to anybody, you know what I mean. But it

1528
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,439
was great to be in a city where you can

1529
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,720
do things like go to a conservatory, to a nice glasshouse,

1530
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,239
to the museum. If I would have stayed longer, I

1531
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:09,239
would have gone and looked at Harold Washington Library. I mean,

1532
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,000
in a city like Chicago or New York, any big city,

1533
01:26:13,239 --> 01:26:16,039
you can find shit to do every day. If you can't,

1534
01:26:16,079 --> 01:26:19,399
there's something wrong with you. Okay, you lack imagination, you

1535
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:24,680
lack creativity, or you just lack motive motivation. Let's go

1536
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,800
out there, just go fucking walk around to find something

1537
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,359
to do. You'll find something to do. And this isn't

1538
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,760
like a winter day too, like like a shitty cold.

1539
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,239
I mean it was like twenty five. It wasn't that bad.

1540
01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:40,359
Twenty five for what is that like negative six celsius,

1541
01:26:40,399 --> 01:26:44,039
negative five, negative four celsia. It wasn't that bad. And

1542
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:46,760
maybe it was negative four and that's what I used

1543
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,880
to do. I love living. There's why I'm so skeptical

1544
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,119
of people who say I hate cities. You've never been

1545
01:26:51,159 --> 01:26:53,720
to a good city, then you've just been to these

1546
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,479
you know, sun belt shitholes where you're trapped in a

1547
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,439
car the whole time. I had a wonderful time. There

1548
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:03,000
was so much good shit to see and do and learn.

1549
01:27:03,399 --> 01:27:05,560
I met some guy. I spoke with some guy. You know,

1550
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:11,159
Urban Rivers, the their group that's building floating habitat piers

1551
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:15,479
on the Chicago River, the filthy dirty Chicago River, which

1552
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,479
is not so filthy dirty anymore. I guess the silt

1553
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:18,960
at the bottom of the river is, but the water

1554
01:27:19,039 --> 01:27:21,560
is actually not that nasty. They got beaver's back there.

1555
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:23,800
They got this big, fat ass beaver on the south

1556
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:28,520
side living down there, big beaver river rotters. And then

1557
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,119
you got chalk. And I talked to this guy who's

1558
01:27:31,159 --> 01:27:34,279
seen chalk chonk of source, the giant snapping turtle on

1559
01:27:34,319 --> 01:27:40,560
the Division Street pylons every I think, I don't know

1560
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,680
if I don't think she's out yet, but he was

1561
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:44,840
seeing her like last summer. She's out there all the time,

1562
01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:50,159
you know, big, like sixty pounds snapper. I don't know.

1563
01:27:50,199 --> 01:27:54,800
It's a great city. It's nice. It's it's being able

1564
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,880
to get food early in the morning. I like the

1565
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,760
fact that's kind of a shithole it is. It's kind

1566
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,119
of a shithole. Every city's kind of a shittle. It's nice,

1567
01:28:02,119 --> 01:28:04,920
it's nice. You gotta then you can get away as

1568
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,239
long as you can get away. You know. I'm fucking

1569
01:28:07,279 --> 01:28:12,000
traveling so much doing botany stuff. I don't know. It's good.

1570
01:28:12,079 --> 01:28:14,239
It's good to be centrally located. But I got work.

1571
01:28:14,279 --> 01:28:16,279
I got a due down here. We're setting up thorn scrub,

1572
01:28:16,319 --> 01:28:21,239
we're setting up setting up this nonprofit, this conservation property.

1573
01:28:22,279 --> 01:28:24,479
And uh, and then I got family stuff going on

1574
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:28,159
on here too, so but uh, yeah, man, it's wonderful.

1575
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:31,479
And those fucking museums especially, uh. And then I guess

1576
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,600
I was under the impression that at Chicago Botanic Garden,

1577
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,800
which I did get, the cops called on me there

1578
01:28:37,359 --> 01:28:41,199
for peeing I was taking. I was outdoor urinating in

1579
01:28:41,239 --> 01:28:43,399
a bush, but I guess the bush did that many

1580
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,279
leaves on it. And there was a trailer fifty feet

1581
01:28:45,319 --> 01:28:47,920
beyond the bush full of old ladies. And I didn't

1582
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,560
know that they were looking out the tinted windows at me,

1583
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,640
which is on them, the perverts. This is like two

1584
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,760
thousand and nine, this is statute of limitations. And they

1585
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,319
called the cops on me. I was peeing and I

1586
01:28:59,399 --> 01:29:03,800
was with my and his mom, and you know, everybody

1587
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:09,039
was present, and this the security guard showed up, very

1588
01:29:09,079 --> 01:29:11,239
odd man, very pale, looked like he spent a lot

1589
01:29:11,279 --> 01:29:12,600
of time, and so I didn't get out that much.

1590
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,159
Could have just been the winter too, it was like

1591
01:29:15,239 --> 01:29:18,520
early spring. He showed up and he said to we've

1592
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,600
killed the police that you had glegged to be aristed.

1593
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,159
They're going to come and arist you. And I said,

1594
01:29:24,199 --> 01:29:26,359
for what this is, like after I was peeing like

1595
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,159
fifteen minutes prior, like this guy was late to the scene,

1596
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:33,920
and he said, because you were urinating in front of

1597
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:37,479
that trailer, which is full of old ladies. I don't

1598
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,359
think he said old ladies. Maybe said volunteers, stewards. I

1599
01:29:40,359 --> 01:29:43,239
don't know. It was a mobile it was a mobile office.

1600
01:29:43,279 --> 01:29:44,920
I didn't know there was anybody in there. I couldn't

1601
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:48,800
see anybody. I wasn't exposing myself to old ladies, if

1602
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,119
that's what you're wondering. Not that I wouldn't do it

1603
01:29:52,119 --> 01:29:55,119
given the right circumstances, you know, if like if they

1604
01:29:55,119 --> 01:29:58,399
were paying me, if I was being paid by a

1605
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:02,720
bunch of old ladies to drop my drawers, you know,

1606
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,720
and show him my junk. I'd do it. I'm not

1607
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,079
saying I wouldn't, but in this case, I wasn't. I

1608
01:30:09,159 --> 01:30:11,720
wasn't doing that. And this man was so presumptuous and

1609
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,520
he was offensive and he was hurtful, and he looked

1610
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,199
like a human squash. And we had the drive we had,

1611
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,000
you know, we had to throw the kid in the car.

1612
01:30:21,039 --> 01:30:22,920
We had to get out of there as soon as possible,

1613
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,760
and I think especially because we had come in there

1614
01:30:27,159 --> 01:30:30,119
without paying to begin with, and so it was like

1615
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:32,039
a double whammy. If we would have gotten call, you

1616
01:30:32,079 --> 01:30:35,239
gotta get in gate crashing. And anyway, we drove out,

1617
01:30:35,279 --> 01:30:40,399
we left, And that was my first negative experience with

1618
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:44,600
Chicago Botanic Garden. Maybe there was more too throughout throughout

1619
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,479
my later years. I can't remember, But anyway, I was

1620
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,319
there when we were filming kay R Lawn. It was wonderful.

1621
01:30:49,359 --> 01:30:50,920
They got a wonderful native plant garden. So what a

1622
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:55,199
really wonderful institution. But they had the Regenstein Library. Now

1623
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:57,680
who was Regenstein? I don't know. It sounds like a

1624
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,199
character from the nut Cracker, Nutcrack, you know, to ballet.

1625
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,600
Did you ever go see that Donner at the Opera

1626
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:07,000
House with the school did your school make did your

1627
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:08,880
school take you to see The Nutcracker when you were

1628
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:10,960
a kid, if you grew up in a Chicago area,

1629
01:31:11,359 --> 01:31:15,079
you know, But you're getting into the Russian Ballet anyway.

1630
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,000
The Reagan Stein Library they got, you know, they got

1631
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,680
all the fucking great books, the nine hundred dollars Leggings

1632
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,840
of the World book, all all the nice stuff. You

1633
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,119
can go. That's a nice library to go into. And

1634
01:31:26,199 --> 01:31:27,880
even if you just got time to kill, you know,

1635
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,479
go and lurk in the Reagan style library. You have

1636
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:32,840
to go to the suburbs to do it. I think,

1637
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,279
where is it? Glen Coke Highland Park? Where is it?

1638
01:31:35,279 --> 01:31:38,119
It's one of those North short suburbs. It doesn't feel

1639
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,399
like a good town to be in. But the Botanic

1640
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,439
Garden is a nice place to visit. It's certainly worth

1641
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,159
it if you can get out there. So that was

1642
01:31:46,199 --> 01:31:52,359
wonderful to see as well. But anyway, you know, I

1643
01:31:52,399 --> 01:31:54,680
get back, I get back anyway. The point is I

1644
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:59,039
had a wonderful time in Chicago, and uh and got

1645
01:31:59,039 --> 01:32:02,279
to reminded of all these wonderful things about a city

1646
01:32:02,319 --> 01:32:04,520
that I don't get where I live now, you know,

1647
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:10,520
Cultural amenities you right, mentally stimulating conversations, mentally stimulate, mental

1648
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:16,520
stimulating cultural venues and learning experiences. And then I come

1649
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,680
back here in a fucking sink in my kitchen, fell

1650
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:23,079
off the cheap countertop because I live in a cheap house,

1651
01:32:23,159 --> 01:32:25,640
and a contractor, whoever the fucking plumber was, who set

1652
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,640
up this place. I don't know what he was doing.

1653
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,760
I think he was blunted. No, he wasn't blunt that.

1654
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:32,239
He was probably a drunk because nobody smokes pot do

1655
01:32:32,279 --> 01:32:34,560
on here, not well, not that many people do. I

1656
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,680
don't know what he was doing. Maybe he ate paint

1657
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,399
chips as a kid, but I had a lot of

1658
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,439
plumbing issues in his house, right, And so anyway, I'm

1659
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:42,920
going out, So I have to go to the fucking

1660
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,920
hardware store and get a thing of you know, construction

1661
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:50,479
cement JB. Weld And I'm gluing. I got boards lodged

1662
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,880
under the sink, you know, And I'm just a slob.

1663
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,560
So I'm getting this this cacking gun. I'm getting the

1664
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:03,319
shit everywhere, spraying this you know construction cementa all over

1665
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,920
all over to sink, and I don't care. My kitchen

1666
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:09,039
already looks like, shit, it's fine, you know, it's not.

1667
01:33:09,159 --> 01:33:11,279
That's not where the magic happens. The magic don't happen

1668
01:33:11,319 --> 01:33:14,319
in the kitchen. The magic happens though, you know, when

1669
01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:17,319
I'm we're in the fucking backyard, the front yard, wherever

1670
01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:20,439
I'm drawing whatever. That's that's what's important. It's my workspace.

1671
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:25,680
But the point is I destroyed Ah, I don't know,

1672
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:27,840
maybe I didn't destroy it. It just doesn't look very

1673
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,079
nice right now. It just doesn't look very nice right now.

1674
01:33:31,279 --> 01:33:33,239
But hopefully the sink won't fall, you know, the sink,

1675
01:33:33,359 --> 01:33:36,079
it's a drop in sink, and it was. I came

1676
01:33:36,119 --> 01:33:39,239
back and the glue had not it not been cemented

1677
01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:40,960
in perfectly, so there's like a two inch gap. I

1678
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:42,760
had the prop the thing up with boards. I'm getting

1679
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:46,079
the shit smell coming out because the the u trap,

1680
01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:50,039
the horseshoe trap under the sink was kind of bent.

1681
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:53,439
Just a nightmare, just a plumbing disaster, you know. The

1682
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,880
dogs and then I'm cursing and ship. The dogs are nervous,

1683
01:33:58,039 --> 01:34:01,319
you know, they just nervous dogs. Anyway, it was just

1684
01:34:01,319 --> 01:34:05,520
a frustrating scene. And then and then I looked at

1685
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:08,279
the fridge and I'm getting. I opened a freezer to

1686
01:34:08,319 --> 01:34:10,520
make a smoothie and there's ice crystals all over the

1687
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,239
freezer and it's because the gasket was left. The door

1688
01:34:14,319 --> 01:34:17,000
wasn't shutting all the way. It was shutting all the way,

1689
01:34:17,039 --> 01:34:19,520
but the gasket was messed up. So then I called

1690
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,600
the freezer company. I said, this shit, I just got

1691
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:25,840
this thing two years ago. Why is there ice crystals?

1692
01:34:26,039 --> 01:34:28,720
It's from the condensation in the warm air. Once it cools,

1693
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,319
it forms ice crystals. So what's up with the gasket?

1694
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:33,199
Why is this busted?

1695
01:34:33,359 --> 01:34:33,560
Speaker 2: You know?

1696
01:34:34,359 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 3: And then they wanted to charge me eighty bucks to

1697
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:38,840
get a new gasket. I said, fuck this on that pain,

1698
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,359
this is ridiculous. And I looked again at the freezer

1699
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,439
and seeing that there was a box that Amy's pizza puff,

1700
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,000
something I got my daughter that she didn't want, and

1701
01:34:48,039 --> 01:34:50,239
the pizza puffs were back there. You couldn't shut the

1702
01:34:50,239 --> 01:34:53,399
door the whole way, so the gaskets open. So that's

1703
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:56,319
what it was. The pizza puffs were a reason why

1704
01:34:56,399 --> 01:34:59,000
there was ice crystals everywhere. And it's whole thing has

1705
01:34:59,079 --> 01:35:01,399
just been a fucking mess. And we were talking about

1706
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:05,399
let's sit the dacy and the order. Eric Hayley's all right,

1707
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,119
and a cannon ball tree and a brazil nut tree.

1708
01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:11,439
And that's how all this, this whole fucking mess started.

1709
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:14,880
So I apologize for that. But anyway, let's talk about

1710
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:16,720
what else were we talking about. We were talking about

1711
01:35:18,359 --> 01:35:23,079
brazil nut tree pollination, you Glossian bees, the genus centrist,

1712
01:35:23,119 --> 01:35:27,039
the oil collecting bees, and then the cannon ball tree,

1713
01:35:27,239 --> 01:35:29,479
which we originally started talking about. All it is because

1714
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:33,520
of the uh, the Field Museum Hall of Botany, which

1715
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,880
again marked my words, if any administrator comes for it

1716
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,039
and wants to get rid of it, I'm gonna be

1717
01:35:39,119 --> 01:35:43,000
I'm coming for them anyway. Okay, So, uh, you know,

1718
01:35:43,239 --> 01:35:48,239
the carnivoro the carnivorous plant in their tree opened up

1719
01:35:48,279 --> 01:35:51,880
a store front somewhere in Austin. I guess they've been

1720
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:53,680
doing really good. To check them out if you can.

1721
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,479
I don't know. I think they're only opening on a weekends.

1722
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:56,960
I don't know. You gotta look this up. I'm not

1723
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:58,800
gonna look it up for you. Got to look this up.

1724
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,239
If you're in the carnivorous plants, he said, you should.

1725
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:06,920
And I'm in the carnivorous plants only because somebody gave

1726
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,520
me a who was it? Bryce?

1727
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 5: Was it?

1728
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,239
Speaker 3: My friend Bryce in Utah. He lives over there. You know,

1729
01:36:12,279 --> 01:36:14,880
he's a good Mormon Land he was raised Mormon. I

1730
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,720
think he's an agnostic or atheist. Now I don't know.

1731
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:21,960
He's nuts like me. He's a botanist, but uh uh,

1732
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:27,239
he is a fuck what God damn it? Hold on, Blake,

1733
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:31,159
Jesus Christ. I hadn't seen him in two years. Blake. Anyway,

1734
01:36:31,239 --> 01:36:35,000
he's a he's a wonderful man. And he's he lives

1735
01:36:35,039 --> 01:36:36,960
in Salt Lake City and he grows pink. He's he

1736
01:36:37,039 --> 01:36:39,760
was growing pinkwaiculous. He's a native plant guy. He's a

1737
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:44,600
native plant botanist. And he grows uh pinueculus just for

1738
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:49,359
ships and giggles in his basement under lights. And he

1739
01:36:49,359 --> 01:36:50,600
he gave me this one. I think it was like

1740
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,520
four years ago. But I got this some pink some

1741
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:57,079
massive pinkwacular hybrid Kelsey at Suherros University. He was taking

1742
01:36:57,079 --> 01:36:59,279
care of it for a while when I was out,

1743
01:36:59,319 --> 01:37:01,119
and then I got a back and then now it's

1744
01:37:01,159 --> 01:37:04,279
like it's like the size of a It's like the

1745
01:37:04,319 --> 01:37:06,960
size of a fruit of a calabash tree. Like one

1746
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,800
of those mini basketballs that you might steal from Chuck

1747
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:12,960
E Cheese when you go to take your child there

1748
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:15,760
and then you realize it's overpriced and the ski ball

1749
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:17,800
machines are broken, and you get pissed off and all

1750
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:19,159
the it's a fucking scam.

1751
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:19,319
Speaker 2: Now.

1752
01:37:19,319 --> 01:37:21,119
Speaker 3: It's like when you were a kid when they had

1753
01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:24,960
the animatronics there, you know, and then you remember that

1754
01:37:25,039 --> 01:37:28,199
time that you threw up in the ballpit. But they

1755
01:37:28,199 --> 01:37:30,520
don't even have ball pits anymore because it's all games.

1756
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:36,039
It's all a freaking scam. But anyway, but you know,

1757
01:37:36,119 --> 01:37:37,920
it's like a size of one of those mini basketballs.

1758
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,399
The point is, I feed it though these dead mosquitoes

1759
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:47,039
now from the Biogents, which is which is not a

1760
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:51,600
gay cruising site for biologists, though it might should be,

1761
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:53,479
it might as well should be. That's a great I

1762
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:55,439
think that's a great name. I think I've talked about

1763
01:37:55,439 --> 01:38:00,239
this before. Bio Gents, you know it's a it took

1764
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:05,600
a meetup site, online dating site for gay biology. Biogens USA.

1765
01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:08,720
They sell a mosquito trap. I think you should get it.

1766
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,399
I don't know how much it is. It's one hundred bucks,

1767
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:12,399
two hundred bucks. It might be a lot. I don't know,

1768
01:38:13,159 --> 01:38:16,199
but they said they were gonna give me some discount code.

1769
01:38:16,199 --> 01:38:18,960
They gave me this mosquito trap. Anyway, I've been trapping

1770
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:23,880
a bunch of mosquitos in the genus culex and also eighties,

1771
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,920
the malarial mosquitos, the invasive ones. The quelex are native,

1772
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,319
the eighties are non native. They're invasive, and they're certain

1773
01:38:31,359 --> 01:38:34,760
they have basically been co evolving with humans for the

1774
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:39,520
last like twenty thousand years or something. But they're attracted

1775
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,760
by scent and it's just this little packet you put

1776
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,800
in this machine. Go to Biogents maybe next podcast, because

1777
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,439
I'm gonna keep reping m because I love this fucking

1778
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:54,319
mosquito trap because I hate mosquitos in every day. I mean,

1779
01:38:54,359 --> 01:38:57,319
it's so hot where I live. Already it's March fourth

1780
01:38:57,359 --> 01:39:00,800
and it's already ninety degrees and I trap like twenty

1781
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:04,119
mosquitoes every day. I put them in a freezer. I

1782
01:39:04,199 --> 01:39:06,880
take the little the part of the trap out that

1783
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:09,399
contains the mosquitoes, I put it in the freezer. I

1784
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:11,960
freeze them and takes some twenty minutes to die. Then

1785
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:14,840
I take the little mesh bag off empty amount a

1786
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,720
piece of paper and then feed them to the pinguicula

1787
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,359
and it loves it. I also had a drocera capensus

1788
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:26,520
that Carnivoro gave me, So I have pinwicula, you know,

1789
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:30,520
all the sticky stuff. And then what else did I have?

1790
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,600
I had a couple other pinwiculas. I think they died though.

1791
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:35,840
This hybrid is fucking amazing though. Anyway, The point is

1792
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:42,520
I supplement it's nitrogen with dead mosquitos and it feels great.

1793
01:39:43,319 --> 01:39:46,520
And that's all because it is mosquito trap. Biogen's mosquito

1794
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:47,479
trap online.

1795
01:39:48,319 --> 01:39:48,680
Speaker 2: What is it?

1796
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 3: Two hundred bucks Jesus Christ, three hundred dollars. I don't

1797
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,680
know about that. You don't need the COEO two. Just

1798
01:39:55,880 --> 01:40:00,840
get mine. Don't respond to co two at all? Do you?

1799
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:04,399
Just get a packet of their sweet scent, which mimics

1800
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,640
It's like if you put a four hundred pounds man

1801
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,119
on a treadmill, head him sweating to the oldies for

1802
01:40:09,159 --> 01:40:13,439
thirty minutes, and then took a big, a big towel

1803
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,359
and just wiped them down. And that's what this sweet

1804
01:40:16,399 --> 01:40:18,279
scent packet smells like. It's like the size of a

1805
01:40:18,359 --> 01:40:21,119
large silica packet, and you put it in there, and

1806
01:40:21,159 --> 01:40:24,720
the mosquitoes are literally just attracted to the scent. Some

1807
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:28,239
are reportedly attracted to Coeo too. I haven't used the

1808
01:40:28,279 --> 01:40:30,560
Coeo too. I've just used this sweet scent and I copy.

1809
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,239
I end up trapping a ton of them, and then

1810
01:40:33,399 --> 01:40:36,199
again I feed them to the pinkuiicula. I thought this

1811
01:40:36,199 --> 01:40:39,760
thing was like two hundred bucks. I don't really, I'm sorry,

1812
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,960
I'm not yet. There you go, outdoor Mosquito Trap Bottle

1813
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,239
one ninety nine. Just get that. You'll be fine. It

1814
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:48,640
says against tiger mosquitoes, it works for all of them.

1815
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:51,159
It gets Qlex two. You don't gotta go get a

1816
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:54,199
Coeo two tank from the welding supply store, but if

1817
01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:57,720
you do, then it's kind of cool because you can

1818
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:02,000
they got another mosquito trap. What is this? But if

1819
01:41:02,039 --> 01:41:03,760
you do get the Seal two, then it's night because

1820
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,680
you could recharge your soda stream. You know this this

1821
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:08,760
podcast has barely been about botany. I'm sorry, you know,

1822
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:10,399
but you got to have something like that. You gotta

1823
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:14,880
have somewhere. It's just venting. What is this? The mosquito

1824
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,840
trap BG home is an indoor trap that the indoor

1825
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,880
trap who the fuck needs an indoor trap? Now, you

1826
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,000
don't need that one. Get the outdoor one. It's two

1827
01:41:23,079 --> 01:41:28,960
hundred bucks, but it's fine, and then you'll be trapping. Oh,

1828
01:41:29,279 --> 01:41:30,840
I get they got all kinds of traps here. I

1829
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:32,600
don't know what this is. Just get the two hundred

1830
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:34,199
dollars one if you can afford it.

1831
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 2: Right.

1832
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 3: I understand, times are shit and we're all getting robbed

1833
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,600
by the billionaires and the upper class, the upper classes,

1834
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:47,039
and no one's getting paid what they should. But if

1835
01:41:47,079 --> 01:41:49,159
you got two hundred bucks, if you're running like a

1836
01:41:49,159 --> 01:41:52,560
side hustle or something, it's worth getting this mosquito trap.

1837
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:54,199
And then you got food every day for you should

1838
01:41:54,199 --> 01:41:58,399
start breeding pinkwiculous indoors. The hybrid ones. The hybrids do better.

1839
01:41:58,399 --> 01:42:03,119
They're probably polyploid or something. You know. Whereas the species are,

1840
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:06,840
you know, they've they've they're adapted for a specific setting

1841
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:10,000
and environment a mostly these day and nice. The hybrids

1842
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:15,920
are are more robust and take kinder to being inside

1843
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,920
a human domicile. You know, the dry air that you

1844
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:23,479
sometimes get in a in a human house, or the

1845
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,000
weird lighting or whatever. So I've got one under a

1846
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:29,720
under a spider farmer light and where because I'm growing

1847
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:33,439
a whole bunch of other ceilings for restoration, and uh,

1848
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,039
you know, and I just feed at the dead mosquitoes

1849
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:38,600
every day. There's already already filled up, already filled it

1850
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:40,279
up again. I just emptied it like eight hours ago,

1851
01:42:40,279 --> 01:42:42,159
and those are all quex And it's cool because then

1852
01:42:42,159 --> 01:42:43,840
I I log the species on in it because I

1853
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,399
want to know what fucking species is biting me and

1854
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:49,640
making my life miserable. But uh, it's been making my

1855
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:51,840
life a lot less miserable since this trap is out,

1856
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:58,039
because I just don't see as many biogents uh biogens usa,

1857
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:00,680
I don't know. There you go. They a two hundred

1858
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:04,439
dollars trap and then just get the sweet scent. Oh

1859
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:06,920
Jesus Christ, that's sixty bucks too, you know. I'm sorry.

1860
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:08,920
I'm telling you guys to bite is shit like you're

1861
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,279
millionaires or something. This is two hundred and sixty bucks

1862
01:43:11,279 --> 01:43:14,199
for this thing. They gotta make. They gotta make a

1863
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:18,920
more economic trap. I mean, this thing's just plastic. I'm

1864
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:21,600
not saying it's not nice, but it's a lot of money.

1865
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,640
Who's got money to spend the sweet scent? I can

1866
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,880
get the sweet scent packs. Three of these packets for

1867
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:31,760
sixty bucks. That's twenty bucks. He's it's not bad. They

1868
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,880
last for like three or four months, but this plastic thing,

1869
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:37,319
they shouldn't be two hundred dollars. You guys gotta call you,

1870
01:43:37,319 --> 01:43:39,560
gotta gotta work with me. You give me a I

1871
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:41,840
wrote the lady today on an email. I got this

1872
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,239
thing like five months ago. I wrote her today. I said, yeah,

1873
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:45,840
I got an I need a discount code. Give me

1874
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:47,920
a discount coach so I could give these people. Otherwise

1875
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:49,479
I look like an asshole. I'm telling them the bye.

1876
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,600
Everyone's got two hundred bucks to throw around. It's expensive stuff.

1877
01:43:53,880 --> 01:44:00,600
You can't do that. Christ. So anyway, going out to

1878
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:04,199
thorn scrub Friday, the black brush is blooming. It smells

1879
01:44:04,199 --> 01:44:07,399
fucking incredible. Everything's blooming here. It smells nice. It's gonna

1880
01:44:07,399 --> 01:44:10,560
be really hot, really brutal, really dry, and very drowdy.

1881
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:13,079
If we don't get rain, it's probably gonna be another

1882
01:44:13,079 --> 01:44:15,880
brutal summer. I forgot. I've almost forgotten what it's like

1883
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:17,479
to not be able to go outside because it's one

1884
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:24,039
hundred and five degrees. That's not fun. Uh, And it's

1885
01:44:24,039 --> 01:44:27,760
coming soon. I think we have like another month of DC.

1886
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,520
It's gonna be fucking ninety this weekend. You get like

1887
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:34,439
another month of tempts in the nineties, in the lone nineties,

1888
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:36,479
and then it's probably just gonna be brutal and miserable.

1889
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:39,560
And then we're still gonna be in this dystopia where

1890
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,119
like the news every day is just like getting punched

1891
01:44:42,199 --> 01:44:45,239
in the groin as hard as he can, just like,

1892
01:44:46,039 --> 01:44:49,760
good morning, God, good morning. Yeah, oh God, it's fucking

1893
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:52,399
oh yeah, you're like that, oh God every morning. It's

1894
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:59,800
just terrible. Into this, this this late stage capitalist hellscape

1895
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:04,479
that we're living in. You know, more selling up. He's

1896
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:07,199
coming for the public lands next. Get ready for that.

1897
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 2: Huh huh.

1898
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 3: You like that the public land is socialist? We got

1899
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,439
to turn it into a theme park or an amusement park.

1900
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,039
It's gotta have a it's gotta have a quickie mart

1901
01:45:18,079 --> 01:45:21,920
on it, a seven to eleven, and a relax the backstore.

1902
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,119
What happened to the relaxed the backstore. I don't think

1903
01:45:24,119 --> 01:45:26,920
they made it through. That was a fucking chain. I

1904
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:28,399
think I don't think they made it through the two

1905
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:32,399
thousand and eight recession. Talk about a frivolous business. How

1906
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:34,880
much dumb shit can you Bidy're gonna they're gonna put in.

1907
01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:38,720
It's only gonna get more downhill. It's it's just gonna

1908
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:44,680
get idiocracy, just depraved. That's where America's going. We did this,

1909
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,479
not you and I, but you know what I mean.

1910
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,119
This is where we are. Now. You've heard me rant

1911
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:53,920
about this before, how we got here. You don't need

1912
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,119
to hear it again anyway. I'll wrap it up right now. Sorry,

1913
01:45:56,159 --> 01:45:59,039
this was not as educational as I intended it to be.

1914
01:45:59,199 --> 01:45:59,960
This was just a lie.

1915
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:00,319
Speaker 2: You know.

1916
01:46:00,359 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 3: I just got back from a trip. I'm on there,

1917
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:04,199
a lot of stress over here, right, I got a

1918
01:46:04,199 --> 01:46:07,920
lot of stuff to do. But uh yeah, we're going

1919
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,439
to Thorn Scrub. We're gonna we get this guy coming

1920
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:12,479
out with a thermal drone. He's gonna be hunting shooting

1921
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:17,199
pigs where we fenced off some of the some of

1922
01:46:17,239 --> 01:46:20,760
the parts of Thorn Scrub where there's more dense cactus populations.

1923
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,319
I'm very excited about that. I'm taking a couple of

1924
01:46:23,359 --> 01:46:26,800
the comanches out there next month, Gonna show them the spot,

1925
01:46:27,159 --> 01:46:29,000
see if they want to use it as a prayer ground.

1926
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:32,640
Due to the massive amounts of peyote that are out there.

1927
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:36,359
We're working on restoring some of the Mammalaria spherica populations

1928
01:46:36,399 --> 01:46:39,039
because that species got especially hard hit by the pigs.

1929
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:43,760
I just I'm so excited to see I want to

1930
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:46,079
hopefully the pigs didn't get any of the tortoises. They

1931
01:46:46,079 --> 01:46:50,119
will eat tortoises. The pigs will eat Texas tortoises, and

1932
01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:52,079
there's a lot of Texas tortoises on our land. We

1933
01:46:52,119 --> 01:46:57,039
got intogo snakes, we got foxes, raccoons, little bastards. I

1934
01:46:57,079 --> 01:46:58,760
don't know where they came from. They're not native to

1935
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:00,279
the thorn scrub so far as I know, and they've

1936
01:47:00,319 --> 01:47:05,199
been causing some problems too. We got Harris hawks out there. Oh,

1937
01:47:05,239 --> 01:47:08,600
we got little bunnies. You like bunnies. We got little bunnies.

1938
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:15,079
A lot of wonderful soil crusts. The cicadas would be

1939
01:47:15,159 --> 01:47:18,800
out too. We get annual cicadas. I forget what species.

1940
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:22,239
I'll have to check my ininant. But the cicadas the

1941
01:47:22,279 --> 01:47:24,479
first time I ever went to thorn scrub were so loud,

1942
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:27,119
the misky cicadas. It was the most beautiful and it

1943
01:47:27,159 --> 01:47:30,000
was so verdant in green, not like it looks now,

1944
01:47:30,039 --> 01:47:32,880
which is just bone dry, which is how much of

1945
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:36,359
Texas is. But the cicadas were out. It was very

1946
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:41,279
loud and boisterous and lovely. Just a psychedelic experience, you know.

1947
01:47:41,319 --> 01:47:43,920
I remember hearing some really cool cicadas in the t

1948
01:47:44,119 --> 01:47:48,319
techareas down there in eastern Wahaka, the neo bucks Bummy

1949
01:47:48,359 --> 01:47:51,960
a cactus force. It's like walking through a dense clusterfuck

1950
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:56,760
of green, unbranched totem poles, really cool habitat, and really

1951
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:59,920
loud cicadas. I would have loved to see what species,

1952
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:08,319
But it was cool to hear Megastylus gigas. I'm sorry,

1953
01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:13,000
Casada gigas, the giant cicada mega stylist, Mega stylist giga.

1954
01:48:13,239 --> 01:48:15,279
See this is I don't know what's happened until my

1955
01:48:15,359 --> 01:48:17,319
brain now. I think I've been up to I didn't.

1956
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,520
I've been up too uh too long. I didn't. I'm

1957
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,479
not sleeping enough. I don't know. But I've been doing

1958
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:24,880
silly shit like this all day, right, And you should

1959
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:27,039
have seen me having a throwing a tantrum about the

1960
01:48:27,039 --> 01:48:29,800
fucking sink. It was throwing ship I wasn't throwing shit,

1961
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:33,279
but I was. I didn't get quite there anyway. Casada

1962
01:48:33,359 --> 01:48:36,640
gigas the giant cicada. I saw that in Equador, will

1963
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,399
hurt it. I didn't see anybody. The call is a mistakable.

1964
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:41,239
They were everywhere. That was cool to see. And of

1965
01:48:41,239 --> 01:48:42,920
course we're at the northern end of the range here

1966
01:48:43,239 --> 01:48:45,840
in South Texas. A lot of plants down here in

1967
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:47,840
South Texas and even all the way up in San

1968
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:52,000
Antonio have range, have distributions that go way down into

1969
01:48:52,039 --> 01:48:57,239
Central America. Karwinskia, the Buckthorne family ram nassy, very toxic plant,

1970
01:48:57,279 --> 01:48:59,960
but beautiful leaves, which we is all over, you know,

1971
01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:02,199
the thorn scrub is goes all the way down into

1972
01:49:02,199 --> 01:49:09,319
the Puebla Wajaka. It's I mean these Jatropha dioheka leather

1973
01:49:09,399 --> 01:49:11,880
stem as they call it. That's another you know, far

1974
01:49:12,039 --> 01:49:14,840
ranging plant that's got a distribution that extends down into

1975
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:21,359
the the seasonally dry areas of the Mexican tropics, which

1976
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:24,319
look like deserts but then kind of our deserts but

1977
01:49:24,399 --> 01:49:26,800
also kind of aren't because they get more they get

1978
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:31,399
a little bit of rain in the summer anyway. But yeah,

1979
01:49:31,399 --> 01:49:34,319
it was wonderful to see those cicadas down there, to

1980
01:49:34,319 --> 01:49:36,600
hear them. I mean that unmistakable call. It sounds like

1981
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,920
a hand buzzard. It's hilarious. So anyway, anyway, I'll cut

1982
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:44,079
it off here, got a couple of interesting podcasts coming up,

1983
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:47,720
finishing books for the next fucking three months. It feels

1984
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,319
like that's been a process. It's been ongoing. And then

1985
01:49:50,359 --> 01:49:53,479
we'll have Thorn Scrub Sanctuary shirts for sale, doing a

1986
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:58,039
fundraiser forty bucks each, comfort colors, a five screen print,

1987
01:49:58,199 --> 01:50:02,479
multiple colors with the a drawing I did of the

1988
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:07,039
Grandfather Peote says Thorn Scrubs Sanctuary. We'll be selling those,

1989
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:11,359
and uh, what else am I doing? Why was I

1990
01:50:11,399 --> 01:50:13,279
talking somewhere at the end of this month? I can't forget.

1991
01:50:13,359 --> 01:50:15,800
I got talks planned for like the next three months,

1992
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,000
and I'm trying to go to Europe for I'm going

1993
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,439
to Georgia at the end of April. I'm trying to

1994
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:23,199
go to Europe first week at April to see drossa file,

1995
01:50:23,279 --> 01:50:25,840
but that may not happen anyway. Hopefully, hopefully you had

1996
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:29,000
a good time. Hopefully you got something out of that,

1997
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:32,600
you learned something out of that. Let's sit the dacy.

1998
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:35,840
What a fucking cool family. Other than that, the educational

1999
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,079
content in this episode was kind of nol but hopefully

2000
01:50:38,079 --> 01:50:39,399
you still had a good time. Okay, that's all. Like,

2001
01:50:39,399 --> 01:50:40,760
itta have a grocery to go, fus Bay