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Speaker 1: Coming to you from Studio A here at Proven Winners

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Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified podcast,

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radio and YouTube show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick Weist,

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and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, it's time

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to extend the season. We talked in previous weeks about

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how data shows that our growing seasons are getting longer. Well,

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you can enjoy the beauty longer with holiday clippings, and

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we're thankful for another great growing year, and we harvest

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the cuttings from the landscape to celebrate with bows and

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arrangements and entry porch pots and swags and wreaths and

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indoor arrangements. You can decorate on a budget use landscape clippings. Stacy,

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let's keep the party going.

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Speaker 2: I agree completely. You know, everybody's running around at the

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store getting this, getting that. Need flowers, need points out,

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I need this. But really, even if you have, you know,

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a very modest kind of landscape or garden, I guarantee

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you there as so much potential sitting right there in

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your yard that you can use to make all of

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these things extra special, or to make them in the

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first place. You know, and It just takes little creativity

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and a little bit of looking at the plants around you,

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maybe with a different eye than you do in the

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spring or summer. But I think the most important thing

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that people need to know is that, yes, you can

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absolutely cut from this stuff within reason. You know, we're

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not talking about going out there and scalping your arbor idy,

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you know, to make a garland to go down your

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dramatic staircase. We're talking about a little bit of clippings

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here and there to just spruce up the holiday table.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, or in my limb a rick today I

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will address possibly going over to the neighbor's house and

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taking a few clippings. But however you do it, Yes,

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holiday clippings to make things festive. I personally think holiday

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hanging baskets are lots of fun to make. I've made

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a lot of them over the course of my life.

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I love making holiday hanging baskets because they're almost like

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Christmas ornaments hanging there. And we have some pictures of

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some of my baskets for the website Gardening Simplified on

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air dot com. Of course, if you're watching on YouTube

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also you can see these baskets and Stacy. The great

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thing about these holiday baskets of clippings you don't have

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to water them.

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Speaker 2: Oh you gotta love that. You definitely don't want to

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be watering anything in winter I slicks underneath. It's just

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a bad scene all around.

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Speaker 1: So clippings from the landscape, everything from ornamental grasses to evergreens.

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As a matter of fact, we'll show you a picture

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here too of a dark eyed junko that was on

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my miscanthus just picking away at the seeds this week.

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The wildlife love it, and of course we can create

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some really cool arrangements with it. Stacy rose hips and

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calikarpa buried stems. And then of course you know you

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got to go to holly holly, whether it's broad leaf

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evergreen holly or the deciduous.

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Speaker 2: Holly as is depicted here in our arrangement in studio.

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If you are on YouTube, you will see that holly

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is a great choice. And you know that this winterbury

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holly I've talked about it in the past is so

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abundant throughout Michigan, just growing wild.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: No, granted, you can't go to someone else's property and

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just start cutting their winterbury holly like there's no tomorrow.

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But if you happen to be near some that you

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can cut, it's a great way to just have a

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little bit of color and wildness and all of that

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in your holiday table.

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Speaker 1: Colors, amazing pine cones, of course, pine and fur. For me,

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Christmas is fur. The scent of fur. I just love it.

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And of course they have the thick and waxy needles,

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so they've got great needle retention too.

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Speaker 2: So all those years in the garden center didn't ruin

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fur for you.

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Speaker 1: Well, Ash, I'll tell you what ruined it for me,

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and we're going to cover that in Branching News. I'll

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tell you what ruined it for me. The smell of

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cinnamon scented pine cone.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's the worst. And why do the stores, thank you?

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And why do the stores always put them in like

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the foyer or like the you know, the opening to

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the store. So you're in that tiny, little, you know,

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condensed area. The heat's blasting because it's cold outside, and

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you just get like overwhelmed with this like fake cinnamon scent.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people walk out with a migraine.

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So we'll cover that in Branching News. But I'm so

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glad you feel that way, Stacy. Sassafras, red and gold

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twig dogwood. Of course, Stacy, you've talked on the show

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before about.

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Speaker 2: Arctic fire, and yeah, I love Arctic fire. And you know,

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the red twig dogwood is another one that grows abundantly

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around just around Michigan. You can't hardly throw a stick

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without running into into one in a natural area. But

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I'm really glad that you mentioned the sassafras because I

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think we talked about this last year as well, and

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that has also been added to our arrangement in studio

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because of you, Rick. And it's not something I would

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normally think of including, but it looks so cool. The

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stems are kind of green, the buds are very very

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unique and noticeable, and you know that's something that like,

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you know, sassafras is almost is probably at least as

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ubiquitous as red twig dogwood, and a bit more ubiquitous

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than the winterbury holly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And there's so many things again, if you're

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just creative about it. You know, I mentioned the ornamental

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grass inflorescence and seedum's willow panicle, hydrangeous stems, boxwood, southern magnolia, cami, cypress,

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birch branches, you know, for outdoor arrangements, not indoors, but

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outdoor arrangements, Stacey, I even like to look for branches

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that are completely covered in lichens.

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Speaker 2: Oh I love that. Yeah, I would put those inside. Actually,

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would you like it? I do? I love it? I

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mean I wish it would last longer, but it's so pretty.

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hydrangeas stems that are kind of brown. And if you

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feel like that is a bit too dismal for your

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holiday table, you know, you can always just use a

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little bit of spray paint. Sure, I'm not usually a

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big fan of gilding the lily when it comes to nature,

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as it were. But you know, this is the main

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thing I think is that all of these ideas are

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a great way to either keep your kids busy on

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a holiday when they're sitting around board, you can send

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them out into the backyard with some inspiration, or you know,

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just as a way for you to find some solace

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amid the hecticness of the holiday and to share your

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garden in a way that you don't usually.

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Speaker 1: Get to exactly keep the season going for our friends

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in the South, Nandina is often used, and then stacy.

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that because for a lot of people they can get

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a nasty rash from soup.

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Speaker 2: Oh is that so? I didn't know that. But it

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is messy. It is at this time of year. Even

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if it still has some berries clinging to it, they

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kind of have those little hairs everywhere and that could

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be a little bit. No one needs a bigger mess

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on Thanksgiving. We're not trying to make a bigger mess

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for you. We're trying to give you a little something

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to make the day more memorable. And again to bring

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the garden inside, because it is the end of the season.

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It's about harvest, and the harvest isn't just about food,

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it is about the garden as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Now, think about using anti dessicant sprays for

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your arrangements. It's basically pine resin. Don't use floor wax

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or hair spray like aquanette. I've seen people do it.

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Speaker 2: No, it would just get sticky right and and then

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like dust and stuff would stick to it.

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Speaker 1: And don't do that. If you're cutting from your own landscape,

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be cautious not to cut too much. Like Stacy said,

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we're just taking some clippings and use some caution toosionally

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inspect your clippings because well, bugs can be over wintering

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and you bring them inside that that's going to really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be fun. The cattle go crazy, distract everybody

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from all the talk of politics at the holiday table.

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Speaker 1: If you clip some evergreen branches, maybe put them in

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water before you use them in your arrangement. You want

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to try and keep them nice and hydrated. And along

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the lines of evergreen branches. I like using mixed evergreens.

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I think it really adds to both the aroma and

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the appearance. So if you're mixing spruce with douglas, fur

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with fur, with pine with juniper, I really think that

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that adds to the arrangements. Bearing in mind that shorter

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needled evergreens like hemlock or spruce tend to lose their

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needles a lot quicker than let's say, pine or fur.

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I said in branching news. We're going to talk about aroma,

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including cinnamon pine cones. Uh, but let me give you

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a limerick about pruning your neighbor's plants. For one of

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these arrangements, I'm pruning well after midnight in my neighbor's

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yard with a flashlight. Despite the fact I am nervous,

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I consider my pruning a service and helpful, not impolite.

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I'll bring my neighbor delicious treats, some delectable holiday eats

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to deal with my nagging guilt.

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Speaker 2: That you were going a little bit for a grnch

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vibe there. I was starting to get a little bit worried.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I would take care of my neighbor and bring

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some treats. But if they've got something good to clip

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in their landscape, I might just be tempted. But you'd ask,

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Speaker 2: And they would probably be like, oh, well, that's a

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Speaker 1: There are a number of universities that University of Idaho

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is one that comes to mind where their landscape teams

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in November will spray trees on campus with a natural

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repellent of skunk scent and fox urine, as well as

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a sticking agent to protect them from theft and destruction

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during the holiday season.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's a big business. I guess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big clipping when you go over to

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an evergreen tree and take the top out of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so people are like stealing them for small like

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Speaker 1: I know it is. It's terrible. So you know, you

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very bad. Now, they do put up signage that warns

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people to try to deter thieves in the public from

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taking a major for green clipping, but just beware.

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trees already damaged and now you have something horribly smelling

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in your possession that you've got to deal with, So

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better to just try to hopefully avoid the damage in

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Speaker 1: You got it, You got it now. Of course, if

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you're planting up some clipping containers outdoors, follow the same

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approach that we've talked about. During the growing season and

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spring and summer, when planting up a planter, try to

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work from the center out to the outside, thinking Thriller, Filler, Spiller,

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and Stacey. That can just be so much fun, especially

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you know, you need the soil fod but then you're

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able to put the branches in and then if we

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get some hard freezes, the branches will just freeze in

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place and you're good to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when I've done that in the past,

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matte a carpet of something very softly pine, some pine boughs,

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so that the soil is completely covered, and then build

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the arrangement over that. You know, we should We're talking

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a lot about cutting this stuff from your garden, but

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you could pick up a package of some of these

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great led lights they have today that are very small,

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easy to work with, indestructible and they'll really light up

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your clipping display. Well, let's see how Stacey ties this

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all together. Coming up next in Plants on Trial. You're

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listening to the Gardening Simplified Show.

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Speaker 2: Proven Winners Colored Choice Shrubs cares about your success in

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the garden. That's why we trial and test all of

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our shrubs for eight to ten years, making sure they

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outperform everything else on the market. Look for them and

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the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Greeting's

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gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show,

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where the order of the day is taking a little

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something from your garden to make the holidays a bit

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more special. And you know that could mean I think

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sprucing up a store bought arrangement, Like say you buy

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some nice yellow moms and you're just thinking, well, gee,

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those are pretty. The color works for me, but it

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feels kind of summary. You know, you can go and

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pick some pine boughs or something like that from the

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yard and mix it together and bring it up a

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little more up to season, that kind of thing. But

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before I get into today's plan on trial, I did

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want to thank you for bringing up the LED lights

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because it triggered a memory for me of when I

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was really little and we didn't usually put Christmas lights

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up or anything like that, but one year we did.

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something like that. And yeah, this would have been like

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the late seventies, so those winters were really cold, and

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I remember being out there super bundled up, like to

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the point where you're just like tottering around you can't

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even walk. And I believe my mom told me that

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the lights that my dad was putting up were from

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my grandparents, so they were like old lights hadn't really

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been put away, and they were the old kind, you know,

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not these new LEDs that are indestructible. Yeah, the big

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old bulbs, which look amazing have such a retro vibe now.

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But you know, it was dark, and my brother and

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I are out with my dad just you know, playing

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around and we are just stepping on these bulbs left

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and not on purpose. You know, we can't see anything,

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we don't know what we're doing, but we're kind of

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starting to realize that it's kind of cool to step

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on these and make that sound. And oh man, my

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dad was so mad. And I don't believe that we

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ever did put up the Christmas lights that year. But

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it's good to know now that the LEDs eliminate that

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whole thing from happening.

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Speaker 1: You are not alone because again, working in the garden

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center industry, Stacey, we sold thousands and thousands and thousands

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of packages of replacement C nine and SEE seven lights.

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And the LED lights today today are incredible. When they

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first came out with them, they had all the warmth

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and romance of a hospital operating group.

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Speaker 2: They're so bright and so blue, and now they're much better. Yeah,

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they've got the warm tones back in there. But you know,

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when you see one of those holenses with the old

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C seven bolved, it kind of gives you hits. You

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right in the fields.

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Speaker 1: You got it.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, back to decorating with plants and not lights.

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So I think that you know, too many people feel

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like they have to go big when it comes to

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bringing some of the garden indoors. You know, again, like

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we were talking about, you don't need to do a reef,

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you don't need to do a swag. You can do

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something really small. And I think one of the nicest

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things that you can do or do with your kids,

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or have kids do if you need to get them

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out of your hair on the holiday, is just send

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them out to the garden to get little place settings,

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and you know, have at each place, you know, the

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plate and on the napkin, just a little something from

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the garden. And I think that you know, one of

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the best bases if you are stuck for inspiration in

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doing this, one of the absolute best bass that you

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can use is arbor ding. Oh, I mean, arborvid is

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so ubiquitous. Now you might have to pull a rix

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limerick and get some from a neighbor if you don't

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have some. But you can find arborvity just about anywhere

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in such large quantities that you know, trimming some of

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those sprigs isn't really gonna matter. No one will even

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note that you're there. The foliage is soft, it's not prickly.

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I love the way that it kind of just naturally

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lays into a fan, so it just will sit very

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nicely on that napkin. And it smells amazing. I adore

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the smell of arborvidy foliage. It's just it's delicious. There's

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no other way to describe it, which is why. Of

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course it's also very popular with deer. But you know,

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in harbrovid alone might look a little bit lonely. So

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I wanted to bring in some other ideas. Now we

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talked about Winterbury holly. Great choice if you have it. Now,

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Winterbury holly is definitely one of those plants that you

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should not cut too much off of. It is one

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that is quite slow to recover. It's a slow growing shrub,

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so a spray couple sprigs here and there aren't a problem,

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but certainly not the kind of thing that you're gonna

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want to. You know, sheer down to do something major

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with red and yellow twig dogwoods like Arctic fire red

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and Arctic fire yellow. Those are all things that you

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might know. But I wanted to talk about something that

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you might not consider, and that is rose hips.

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Speaker 1: A love it.

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Speaker 2: You know, rose hips have been enjoyed for literally centuries

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as food as decoration in cosmetics, and they're still popular

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to this day, especially in the Eastern Europe for food.

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Like if you go to an Eastern European grocery store,

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you're gonna see rosep syrup, rose hips in syrup. They're

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going to find all of these different food supplies. But

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in the US it's you really know, they're going to

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see this in more specialty kind of stores. And I

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think most people, if you were to say rose hips,

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they would be like, roses have hips? What are you

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talking about? And I think a lot of that stems

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from the fact that, you know, in modern US history,

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the primary roses that people were growing were hybrid tea roses.

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So hybrid t roses to issues with them. Number one,

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the flowers tend to be double, so all of those

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reproductive organs that would normally become the hip or the

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fruit the berry of the rose are buried by petals

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and don't get pollinated, and so you never see any

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fruit develop. And overall, they're just not likely to set

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that fruit anyway, even if insects could access those parts.

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And also, hybrid t roses need dead heading if you

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want to have any kind of you know, reasonably good

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continuous display, you need to deadhead hybrid tea roses. So

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you know, I would say there was a good one

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hundred seventy five to one hundred year span of American

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garden history where people didn't even think for the most part,

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the exception of rogosa roses or what they call betroses,

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of roses having attractive fruit. Now that all changed with

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landscape roses. So when landscape roses, these disease resistant landscape

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roses like are So Easy series, which I know I

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still haven't told you the name of today's plant on trial.

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It is not a O So easy rose to stick

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with me. But when these kind of hit the scene,

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it changed all that. Because these were roses that tended

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to be single or semi double, so those reproductive organs

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were accessible to pollinators, they didn't need dead heading to

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bloom continuously, and just for whatever combination of genetics, they

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tended to actually set fruit like this. So these are

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some rose hips that are from an oh So easy rose,

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and you can see they're really quite nice. The rosehips

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can vary a lot from being a really cheerful, bright

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red to kind of more of an orange like this.

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So obviously the red ones are perfect for Christmas, and

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these more orangey ones are ideal for Thanksgiving. You can

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see they still have the klyx there where the flower

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was attached, so this is the fruit that is developed.

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They can be round, they can be oblong, they can

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be big, they can be small. These are probably about

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medium size. So there's just a huge diversity.

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Speaker 1: And I love Rosa rigosa. You mentioned Rosa rigosa, and

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on the East Coast you'll see a number of them.

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I have pictures with a bright.

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Speaker 2: Yellow ooh, that's pretty Yeah. I love the rose. Hips

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on Rosa rogosa don't have any It is considered the

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deer resistant rose. I would be hesitant to try that myself,

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knowing how my local deer are, but I do love

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Rosa rogosa. But the fact is that pretty much any

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of these newer roses that don't need deadheading are likely

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to set fruit like this, as is the case with

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today's plant on trial, Ringo double pink rose. Now, we

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featured a Ringo rose not all that long ago, back

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in I think it was in August, and we talked

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about these being a rose that's native to the Middle East,

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very very drought tolerant. And again I think because these

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whole temia roses are sort of closer to their wild ancestors,

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they are more likely to actually set fruit. So ringo

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double pink is one that sets fruit. They are on

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the larger side. There are really really nice orange So

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all summer long you're getting these beautiful double pink flowers.

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So it's semi double. I mean you can still see,

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you know, the organs in there so that the polliniers

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can access them with a bright red eye. That's where

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the ringo part comes from. And then you know, these

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beautiful pink petals and as they fade, it kind of

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turns more of a purple color. So you're getting a

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great display all summer. And then by the time that

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winds down, you know, come October or thereabouts, they're going

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to be leaving you these great hips to decorate with

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or just to enjoy. And of course bar and that

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if you never cut a single rose hip to enjoy indoors,

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the birds and squirrels and raccoons and possum and all

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of those will be very happy to eventually take them

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from you. They are one berrier that I have seen

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kind of tends to stick around until it softens quite

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a bet, which is nice from a gardening standpoint because

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you get to enjoy them before they get completely devoured.

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Now you might be thinking, well, this sounds kind of cool,

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but aren't those thorny? And the answer to that is

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it depends. So this one that I'm holding here from

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an oh so easy rose, some of the stems a

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little further down have some tiny, tiny thorns, but you

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can easily snap those off to go ahead, and you

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add them to your place settings. But by and large

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it's not hard to handle. There's just might be a

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couple of tiny thorns because overall on a rose, the

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thorns form further down on the thicker part of the shop,

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not on the skinny little pedicial up here that attaches

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the flower.

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Speaker 1: But perfect for a place setting. And I love what

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you said at the outset that it doesn't have to

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be massive, you don't have to be hauling in big branches,

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and this is ideal for it. By the away high

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in vitamin C too. Oh yes, but you know, and

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if you think about it, the whole concept of cutting

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down an entire tree and dragging it into the house,

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that's that's kind of crazy. So this idea that yeah,

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place settings and that sort of thing using some rosen

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I love that idea.

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Speaker 2: You're going to do it this Thanksgiving. I'm going to

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I'm gonna try to do it too. So of course

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you can take a look at whatever roses are in

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your backyard and see if they have hips and consider

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using those in your holiday arrangements. But if you don't

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have one, do consider adding one of these roses to

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your planting list for next spring. Ringo double pink would

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be a great choice. You can see photos of it

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at Gardening Simplified on air dot com, or of course,

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join us on YouTube and decide if you're going to

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add it to your garden or not. I hope you will.

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We're going to take a little break and when we

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come back, we're going to be opening up the garden

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mail bags, so please stay tuned. At proven Winner's color Choice,

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we've got a shrub for every taste and every Whether

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shrubs and the white containers have been trialed and tested

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for your success. Look for them at your local garden center. Greetings,

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gardening friends and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show,

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where we are at the point of the show where

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we answer your gardening questions. And even though it's November

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and I think a lot of what people think of

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doing in the garden is winding down, I think they

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sell have questions. You may, in fact have questions about

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whether you can cut stuff from the garden for Thanksgiving,

473
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which we probably won't be able to answer, but you

474
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can ask it on YouTube as a comment anyway, and

475
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if we can get back to you in time, we

476
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certainly will. But otherwise, think about what you can do

477
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,759
in your backyard, take a walk around, get those ideas cooking,

478
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,920
and if you do have any questions about that or

479
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,400
anything else, you can always reach us at help HLP

480
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:56,039
at Gardening Simplified on air dot com, or just visit

481
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,079
Gardening Simplified on air dot com. We've got a contact

482
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,759
form there, very handy you can fill and your information.

483
00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:04,000
You can even attach a photo, which we do recommend

484
00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:07,599
if you're wondering about something that's going wrong or off

485
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,039
the rails, because it's very hard to diagnose without a photo.

486
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I don't know how they used to do it.

487
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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, But I have a lot

488
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,880
of questions year round.

489
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Speaker 2: I do well, I have yes, I have a lot

490
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:22,799
of questions and at all gardening really, And that's why

491
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I so often tell our listeners when in doubt, don't,

492
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,440
because when you are sitting around with those questions, you know,

493
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,960
and you don't know what to do, and you feel

494
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,599
like you have to do something when in doubt, don't.

495
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,960
So what do we got in the mailbag this week?

496
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Speaker 1: Well, here's a note from and I believe, and forgive

497
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me if I get it wrong. Okay, it's either Gosia

498
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or Gassia.

499
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Speaker 2: I would say Goosha, but for sure.

500
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's go with Ghosha. I'm going to go with

501
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,960
Stacy's inclination here, So Goosher writes to us. This year,

502
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:01,599
we had a cicada invasion in Chicago Land and my

503
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:06,440
limelight hydranges especially, and a lot of bushes have lengthwise

504
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,400
cuts into the branches from them laying eggs. Ouch. Can

505
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,200
I trim now my hydranges? And is that better for

506
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,440
them to be trimmed now? I'm afraid the moisture going

507
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,359
in through the cuts may kill the plants. I have

508
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,319
over one hundred proven winners panicle hydranges.

509
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot.

510
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,599
Speaker 1: That's fabulous.

511
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,799
Speaker 2: That is a lot, and it must be amazing to see.

512
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,960
So unfortunately, Gojha did not include a photo of the

513
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,279
one hundred proven winners panicle hydrange as. We'd love to

514
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see that, but she did include a photo of the

515
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:40,079
cicada damage. And I thought this was a really interesting

516
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,119
question because I have to tell you, I if I

517
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had seen this on a plant, cicadas would not have

518
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been my first thought. No, And I guess I'm just

519
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,000
not familiar with it. And you know, I know we've

520
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:58,000
had some like huge hatches of big broods of cicadas recently,

521
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so it would not have been my first thought. I

522
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would have thought it was just kind of regular damage.

523
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So I'm really glad that Goosha made this connection and

524
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is bringing it to people's attention. So please do be

525
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:09,559
sure to check us out on YouTube to see a

526
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:11,759
picture of what this looks like, or of course we'll

527
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:13,920
put it at show notes at Gardening Simplified on air

528
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240
dot com so you can see it. And it looks

529
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,599
just kind of like a regular standard plant injury, you know,

530
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,960
like they cut the cicada's cut a little slit into

531
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the bark and lay their eggs, and then that bark

532
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,160
just kind of heals over it, so it makes that

533
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,440
kind of like a hot dog bun shape around where

534
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,680
the cicada did that. Now, I would not recommend doing

535
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:39,119
anything at all to this. Now, well, okay, actually, let

536
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,039
me back up. You don't need to worry Gaosha or

537
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:49,359
anyone else about disease or dryness or anything entering that wound.

538
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,960
That is not really going to be an issue for

539
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,000
the plant. You know, plants get damaged all the time,

540
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:57,920
and if it was really very easy for disease or

541
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other things to take hold, we'd have a lot more

542
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,279
dead plants on our than we do. So I wouldn't

543
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:07,920
do it out of those concerns. However, you know, it

544
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,640
is important to know that if you knowing that you

545
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,440
had a big emergence of cicadas in the Chicago area

546
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,519
last year, and knowing that that means that they laid

547
00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:19,680
quite a lot of eggs in your one hundred proven

548
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,759
winters panicle hydrangeas, it might be wise to reduce those

549
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,039
numbers by pruning out these egg laying sites if it's possible.

550
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,079
If it's possible, now I don't think that you should

551
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:32,359
go crazy and take out any thick branches that are

552
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,680
going to like dramatically disfigure your plants. But as you

553
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,319
can see in Goja's photo, cutting this out is a

554
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:42,920
small branch, and you know, especially as part of your

555
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,160
regular spring pruning with your panicle hydrangeas, wouldn't even really

556
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go notice a thing.

557
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's two factors that play here. Number one,

558
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,200
the cicada in the invasion is cyclical. In other words,

559
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it's this is going to pass. As far as panicle

560
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,240
hydranges are concerned, Stacey, they respond really well to pruning.

561
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, they They are very amenable to pruning. They

562
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,599
will basically be unfazed. And you know, you can actually

563
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,400
even prune a panicle hydrangel quite hard if you did

564
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,960
need to take out one of those major branches. But

565
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you know, the branches that I'm seeing this on are

566
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pretty small, pretty minor. And this is you know, obviously,

567
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:25,480
the panicle hydranges are not particularly susceptible to cicada damage.

568
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:27,559
This is just the one that Gosha is using as

569
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an example. But they can lay their eggs on anything, tree, shrub,

570
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:35,640
any plant. They don't really have any particular preference for this.

571
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:39,200
But that said, we're talking about pruning panicle hydrangees, whereas

572
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,519
some plants, some shrubs, you know, if you were to

573
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:46,920
prune them very hard, they can really struggle to revive

574
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,079
from that. Like we were talking about with the winterbury, Hellie,

575
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:50,839
that's not a plant that I would recommend very hard

576
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:51,240
pruning on.

577
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: But I think, gosh, it's fantastic that you've got one

578
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:00,880
hundred of these panicle hydranges. And I'm crazy about panico

579
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,119
hydrangees too, Stacy. I just think for the general homeowner,

580
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,240
what a fabulous plant.

581
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Speaker 2: It gives a lot and asks a little exactly so

582
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:11,880
exactly hard to beat that.

583
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Gene writes to us high Stacy and

584
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:20,839
Rick a garden in Illinois, Zone six B. I recently

585
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,920
noticed a maple tree we planted probably ten years ago,

586
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:28,119
is losing its bark. The bark is simply sliding off

587
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,960
the tree. I wonder if it was struck by lightning.

588
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,839
What do you think and will it survive? I look

589
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,119
forward to your show every week. Appreciate all the great

590
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:39,319
garden advice and your sense of humor. I have planted

591
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,839
several plants due to your great advice. Yesterday I planted

592
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:48,200
in El Nino desert rose chapulta. Why do I want

593
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,319
to always say chapulta, you're hungry.

594
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: I'm hungry.

595
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: Can't wait to smell it next summer. Blam o, thank

596
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,279
you both, very mulch.

597
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: Well, great shall as you have no doubt heard. I

598
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,759
have huge enthusiasm for this plant. It is such a

599
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:09,599
beautiful fragrance. And mine was actually blooming. Here we are

600
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:12,480
in late November. Mine was actually blooming up until about

601
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,720
two weeks ago. So tons of interest on there. But

602
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,720
let's talk about your maple, because this is disturbing this.

603
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,440
I mean, if this is happening to my maple, I

604
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,440
would not be happy.

605
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:29,359
Speaker 1: Well, let me mention that trees, especially if you're into timber,

606
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:32,279
I like to go to lumber mills, okay, and kind

607
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:34,200
of nose around and look for lumber.

608
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: Okay.

609
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just something I enjoy doing. I

610
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,440
went with a friend. And if you're into timber, then

611
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,079
you're really into the quality of the wood, okay. And

612
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,240
people should be aware. I would recommend that you google this.

613
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,039
Look up the fact that trees get the shakes. They

614
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:54,759
get the shakes. Now we've talked about Southwest disease. Before

615
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:58,680
frost cracks. It's when the sun shines on the tree,

616
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,440
on the bark of the tree, it gets very very cold.

617
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,799
That expansion, that contraction causes not only splitting, but in

618
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:10,799
some cases also for bark to fall off. So shakes

619
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,519
in your timber, and there are all different types. There's

620
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,559
cup shakes. I didn't say cupcakes, I said cup shakes,

621
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,119
heart shakes, star shakes, ring shakes, and radial shakes. Wow,

622
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,279
all different types. And I won't get into it right now,

623
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,920
but look it up sometime. It's fascinating people that you know.

624
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,759
I mean, you cut a board, you're going to use

625
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:34,759
it for furniture. You want the quality to be good.

626
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

627
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: And so this wood is the structure of it can

628
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:44,799
change based on temperature, based on sunlight. And I really

629
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,960
think that that's what causes the bark to fall off

630
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,799
some trees. And it's not going to kill the tree,

631
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:52,119
but it's just active.

632
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay, So for those of you who are wondering,

633
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,039
Gene did send a photo and of course that will

634
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:58,799
be on YouTube as well as on the show. Notes.

635
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:01,880
And this is not a situation where like some of

636
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,200
the bark is peeling like a river birch or something

637
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,200
like that. I mean, the entire bark has come off

638
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,599
this tree. Uh, and yeah, that is disturbing. Now. I

639
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,160
do have to say, from my limited experience with things

640
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,440
like this, I specifically deliberately girdled a Norway maple in

641
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,640
my yard because I wanted a dead tree. Yeah, I

642
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,079
did this about two years ago.

643
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: I've done that. I don't feel so bad.

644
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: Why would you feel bad?

645
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:25,079
Speaker 1: I don't.

646
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:28,079
Speaker 2: Dead trees are very useful as well. I mean, probably

647
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:30,920
more useful than a living Norway maple unless you really

648
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,920
need the shade. But it was not a fan of Norway. Okay,

649
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:39,920
well then not cool. That's not cool. Your neighbors are

650
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,279
probably like, listening to the showguing Ricks seems like such

651
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:44,440
a nice guy. What are we doing. We're getting to

652
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,880
get one of those ring cameras and watch up for you.

653
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:53,000
They're afraid you're telling on yourself. But so so we

654
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,400
girdled it deliberately because we wanted a dead tree. Because again,

655
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,000
dead trees are you know. I love to garden for birds.

656
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:00,519
Dead trees are very very important to bird and insects

657
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,519
and lots of other creatures that I want in the garden,

658
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:05,640
and so it was just an oroy maple. I'm not

659
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,119
a huge fan, not a really great plant for other

660
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,440
you know, things that I want a tree for. So

661
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:13,679
when we girdled it, we just used a razor blade

662
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,480
to cut a bank slit all around the base. And

663
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,320
what happened is a lot of moisture got up under

664
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,079
there and something very similar happened. So it makes sense

665
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,559
that this would potentially be due to frost cracking. But

666
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,039
this I would think is severe enough that the plant

667
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,000
is not going to survive. I mean, basically she has

668
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:33,880
lost an entire half of the tree in bark. And

669
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,559
as we talked about a few weeks ago, you know,

670
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,920
if the flow of nutrients from the base of the

671
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,840
tree the roots to the top is disrupted in any

672
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,800
substantial way, then that part of the tree will die.

673
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,639
So you might end up with half a living tree,

674
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,920
which you probably will want to take down because that

675
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,960
could become unsafe. So don't know exactly why this happened, Gene.

676
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,000
It's hard to say without you know, talking to you

677
00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,840
and knowing more about what the situation are is. But

678
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:01,960
I would say from what I'm seeing and what I

679
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,960
have experienced, it is unlikely to survive, so you might

680
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:11,119
think about bringing in arborist in and maybe making some firewood.

681
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,960
We're going to take a little break. When we come back,

682
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690
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branching news and Stacy. I thought that I would talk

691
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about some aromas today we enter the holiday season. I

692
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want to ask you a question. How do you feel

693
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about paper white narcissus? Do you like the aroma?

694
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Speaker 2: I cannot abide by the smell of paper whites. I

695
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,639
love them. I do like the plants a lot. I

696
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,199
think they're beautiful, but oh the smell just makes me nauseous.

697
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same way. Israel is the world's largest

698
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producer of paper white bulbs, and breeders are currently working

699
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:21,880
on new varieties with lower levels of indole, also shorter,

700
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,480
non floppy paper white varieties. There's a variety called near

701
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Nire that is shorter, squattier, and doesn't flop like a

702
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,639
typical paper white narcissus would, which is fantastic, but for

703
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,760
a lot of people, that sweet fragrance is just too

704
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,960
strong or overpowering. Now, if you're gonna get some paper

705
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,760
white narcissus, find out what variety you're getting. It makes

706
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:55,440
a difference. The most fragrant is a variety called ZeVA

707
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,840
Ziva if you like the aroma. But there are some

708
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:05,400
varieties that are far less fragrant. There's in Ball and

709
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,639
there's also winter Sun. Because paper white fragrance is described

710
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:15,079
as being indolic, which is pretty unhelpful if you don't

711
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,840
work in the perfume world. But that translates as having

712
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,360
an over ripe character. That's the description thing.

713
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:26,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I could see that. It smells to

714
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,760
me kind of like, I don't know. It's hard to

715
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,440
it is hard to describe, hard.

716
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,079
Speaker 1: To describe exactly, and so they they describe it as indole.

717
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,920
So that's spelled I N D O l E. It's

718
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,760
a sweetness that can both repel and attract us at

719
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,960
the same time. So think paper white and narcissius. Think jasmine,

720
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,519
think gardenias.

721
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: Oh I love that thing, Think.

722
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:59,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And so it's it's complicated. Think ornamental pair blocks.

723
00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: Don't love that.

724
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,039
Speaker 1: Now, not just white for paper whites. Also, there is

725
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:11,280
a daffodil, a grand soul hedor it's a daffodil heirloom variety.

726
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,639
It dates back to seventeen seventy and you'll get a

727
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:17,239
lot of orange and yellow flowers on it. But that

728
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,239
one's really going to have a lot of fragrance to it. Also,

729
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:25,079
now a suggestion for you again, I'm recommending you see

730
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:28,960
what type of variety you're getting. Because we've often talked

731
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,119
on the show about it being the golden age of

732
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:34,760
plant breeding, and paper white narcissusts are no different. So

733
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,920
they're developing these paper white narcissusts that do not have

734
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,480
such a strong smell and are shorter and squattier, so

735
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:45,000
when you plant them in the water and the pebbles

736
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,440
in a dish, they don't get tall to the point

737
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,960
where they fall over. That said, if you have some

738
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,559
of the older varieties of paper white narcissus. This is

739
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,280
what I do, and this is what I recommend an

740
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,960
adult beverage for your paper white. Now, I'm sure this

741
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,079
whole thing started at a holiday party, but I have

742
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,000
done this. You begin with a dilute solution of four

743
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:13,760
to six inch four to six percent of alcohol when

744
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,079
the shoots are about one to two inches above the bolt,

745
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,440
and don't use beer or wine. There's too much sugar

746
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,920
in it, so you've got to use alcohol. You can

747
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:30,280
use rubbing alcohol, but otherwise distilled spirits like gin, vodka, whiskey, rum,

748
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,760
even tequila are all fine. So that's interesting. To determine

749
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,719
the correct dilute solution, you take the percentage of alcohol

750
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,400
on the label and you divide by five. So if

751
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,920
you have a bottle of gin that says forty percent alcohol,

752
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,400
forty divided by five is eight. So I need an

753
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,079
eightfold dilution to yield five percent alcohol. So we're going

754
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:58,719
to do seven parts water, one part gin for your

755
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,480
paper white Narses, and everybody's going to be happy. The

756
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:04,920
narcissists are going to be happy, your guests are going

757
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,719
to be happy. You're going to be happy.

758
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: Is the season. But don't drink it. Daffodils are toxic,

759
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,639
you know. I remember when this just in case you

760
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,480
were trying to save a bug or two. I remember

761
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:20,480
when this came out that you could use alcohol. Vodka

762
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,559
was really what they said at the beginning to stunt

763
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,880
as it were narcissus. So they don't flop. Both my

764
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,559
grandmas sent me newspaper clippings. I was in horticulture school

765
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,800
at the time. They both sent me a newspaper clipping

766
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,239
about it.

767
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,079
Speaker 1: There you go, so we have done that. But you

768
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:38,039
don't have to go the alcohol route if you don't

769
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,119
want to, because there's new varieties. I mean, these things

770
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:45,000
have been around for ages. There's a there's a story,

771
00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:49,400
a legend of a Dutch merchant who gifted narcissus bulbs

772
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,119
to the lady of Star Castle and she later discarded

773
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:58,840
the bulbs, mistaking mistaking them for foul tasting onions. She

774
00:40:58,960 --> 00:40:59,920
tried to eat it.

775
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:01,159
Speaker 2: That's not good.

776
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now along the lines of sense, I've got to

777
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,159
get this out because again we talked on the show

778
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,880
that I've been in the garden center industry for over

779
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,800
forty years, and what do you think about when you

780
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,000
think holiday themed ambient scents. Do you enjoy them, do

781
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,960
you use them? And what are your favorites and your

782
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:25,119
least favorites. For example, a favorite of mine, like I mentioned,

783
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:29,360
are fur trees or Douglas fur trees with that citrus scent.

784
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,679
I stick my face right in the needles and I

785
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,159
love them. But I cannot handle these ponderosa pine cones

786
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:39,920
that are super charged with a cinnamon scent.

787
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they're putting cinnamon on everything, these cinnamon brooms, cinnamon, this,

788
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,639
cinnamon that. And the thing is it doesn't smell like cinnamon.

789
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:50,840
It smells like fake cinnamon.

790
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's part of it. And it hits you

791
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,800
in the face so hard and for some people, you know,

792
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,400
they get migraine headaches. It makes me think of Frank's

793
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,159
Nursery and.

794
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: Crash, Oh my gosh.

795
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. They had like I think maybe three

796
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:09,119
hundred stores in the United States.

797
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: Oh yes, that Franks always smells like fertilizer to me,

798
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,119
though not cinnamon.

799
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,519
Speaker 1: You'd walk in the door and a Franks would smell

800
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:23,559
like a mix of cinnamon, fertilizer, potting, soil, uh, eucalyptus, yeah, yeah, candles,

801
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,880
the whole. Oh yeah, I mean, it was a may

802
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,320
it would hit you in the face when you walked

803
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,039
in the door. But anyhow, and you know, you talk

804
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:35,360
about the cinnamon thing and and talk about a hack

805
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:40,000
h They recommend that you take cinnamon sticks and throw

806
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,760
them in the box when you're packing away your Christmas

807
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,440
decorations so that when you pulled them out next year,

808
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:53,599
your favorite Garlands, Reese other decorations already smell like the holidays.

809
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,679
Speaker 2: It seems like you'd need an awful lot of cinnamon

810
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,719
sticks to make that effective, but you know, probably can't hurt.

811
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:04,440
You could also put away your Christmas decorations with a

812
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,920
peppermint oil scented cotton ball, which is said to repel mice.

813
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:12,119
Speaker 1: Now that sounds better. I like that. Well, you can

814
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:15,800
buy these little tea bags too that are peppermint oil

815
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,480
and you use them for mice. And yes, you can

816
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,360
throw them in there, So that's probably a better way

817
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,239
to go. But yes, when you walk into the entry

818
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,079
of a store and you get hit blamo lamo in

819
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:32,480
the face with that smell of cinnamon ponderosa pine cones,

820
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:36,639
I can do without that. One more thing here, have

821
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,119
you ever tried romanesquo cauliflower.

822
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: I've grown it, have you really? Yes. When I was

823
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,159
a very young gardener, I took one look at that

824
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:49,079
thing in a seed catalog and I said, I have

825
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:50,280
got to grow this.

826
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,639
Speaker 1: I'm feeling the same way and I've never grown Oh no.

827
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: And I grew it well. I mean, considering that I

828
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,360
barely knew anything at the time, I grew up pretty well.

829
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,639
Because you know, a lot of times collifloor rockly it

830
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:02,920
can be a little bit difficult to get the results

831
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,519
that you are, you know, have in your head for yes,

832
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,880
but I found it was easier to grow and yeah,

833
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:10,920
absolutely gorgeous.

834
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so unique. It's one of the strangest looking

835
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,920
vegetables because of its fractal floor retes. It is fractal,

836
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:22,800
and so it owns it. It owes its unique shape

837
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,000
to the to the fact that it forms these failed flowers.

838
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:31,519
And my friends at Botanical Interest seeds, I saw that

839
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:35,480
they have them available and I wanted to grow it.

840
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:38,800
Not necessarily to eat it, even though it's very very

841
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,320
healthy for you, but just such unique shape and interest.

842
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,760
I think that's that's something I'm going to add to

843
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,880
my ornamental plants in my God it's kind of a

844
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:55,840
geometric shape, just such a unique structure and almost sharp

845
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:56,320
troos and.

846
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: Color, yeah, beautiful shar t color. So if you're not

847
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,960
familiar with this, like I'm imagine a head of cauliflower

848
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,000
that's a beautiful shortrucy lime green, and each little cluster

849
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:08,920
of florets instead of just being like a round little globe,

850
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,239
someone took it and twisted it and pulled it up,

851
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:16,360
and so it's kind of like this spinning fractal like

852
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,639
would look really cool under a black light kind of thing.

853
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,519
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. So that's on my

854
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:22,599
Christmas list.

855
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: All right, So you're what you're dropping a hint here

856
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,480
the way you looked at me, I was, And you know,

857
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:30,239
if you want to use it, because of course you

858
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,280
will have to eventually cook with it, otherwise it all

859
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,920
just kind of get all stringy and give you more

860
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,039
romanesque seat if you want to continue growing it. Yeah,

861
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,760
you use it basically just like a cauliflower or broccoli

862
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,039
however you prefer. But yeah, very very pretty and not

863
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,800
to be confused with Romesco sauce, which is something totally different.

864
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: I love the fact though, that you've grown this. This

865
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,039
is really cool because it's not something new. As a

866
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:56,119
matter of fact, I read first noted by Italians in

867
00:45:56,159 --> 00:46:00,400
the sixteenth century. But now it's catching the eye of

868
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,719
gourmet chefs and they say that it has a delicious

869
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,519
nutty flavor and texture similar to culiflower.

870
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, very closely related.

871
00:46:10,199 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: So there we go, romanesquo culiflower. No, you don't have

872
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,239
to gift it to me. I'm going to order mine

873
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,880
from Botanical Interest.

874
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,599
Speaker 2: Sees all right, sounds like a plan.

875
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: Stacy. Always a pleasure to do this show with you.

876
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,159
Thank you, Thank you so much, Adriana Robinson, and thanks

877
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:29,159
to you for watching on YouTube, listening on radio, or

878
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:33,079
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