1 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,399 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,239 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the 3 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,239 Federalist and your experience shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:33,600 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,960 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at FDR LST, 6 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,320 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,920 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:48,320 Our guest today is the great Mark Mix, president of 9 00:00:48,359 --> 00:00:51,520 the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation and the 10 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,320 National Right to Work Committee. Today, just before Labor Day, 11 00:00:56,759 --> 00:01:02,479 we talk about the state of worker freedom. Good afternoon, sir, 12 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Thank you so much for joining us on this edition 13 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,879 of the Federalist Radio Hour. 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: Matt, it's the privileged to talk with you today. And 15 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:10,640 what a great day to talk about labor policy. 16 00:01:10,719 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: Huh oh yeah, perfect timing on all of this sort 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,159 of thing. I mean, I guess we start with labor policy, 18 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:22,719 and I think certainly a sea change in all of 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,760 that in this administration, which we'll get to momentarily. But 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,319 I think it's important to take a look back at 21 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,359 where we have been in this country in organized labor 22 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:41,159 and worker freedom and where it suggests we're going. I mean, 23 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,879 there was a time in this country when labor unions 24 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,040 really were, you know, a good deal about protecting workers 25 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,799 and protecting workers from you know, being taken advantage of. Now, 26 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,319 in so many cases over the last several decades, we've 27 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:04,840 seen workers being taken advantage of by the unions. We 28 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:05,760 have seen. 29 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: Big labor put in big. 30 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: Amounts of money. I mean, we are talking over the 31 00:02:11,599 --> 00:02:15,919 years billions of dollars into the political system, and it's 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,919 all going of course for left wing candidates and policies. 33 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,159 So much has changed since the dawn of the twentieth 34 00:02:26,199 --> 00:02:29,479 century as we get well into the twenty first century, 35 00:02:29,759 --> 00:02:33,840 if you wouldn't mind walk us through, because you folks 36 00:02:33,879 --> 00:02:38,680 show up, you know what, nearly well more than fifty 37 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:42,360 years ago now, when there was a great deal of 38 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,280 transition going on at that time as well. 39 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, Matt, you know, the arc of organized labor 40 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,280 in this country is something that doesn't get a whole 41 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:51,919 lot of attention. 42 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:53,319 Speaker 3: It certainly doesn't in. 43 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: High school school books or college books, textbooks or whatever. 44 00:02:57,159 --> 00:02:58,479 Speaker 3: But it is an interesting past. 45 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: And when you go back to the he turned the 46 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,400 beginning of the Industrial Revolution in the late eighteen hundreds 47 00:03:03,439 --> 00:03:06,240 early nineteen hundreds. It was interesting because the unions were 48 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,599 formed as kind of a guild movement, you know, almost 49 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,439 like it was in it still is in England and 50 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:14,560 Great Britain today, the idea that you know that you 51 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,879 were in a particular occupation and there was a guild 52 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,240 there that was designed to kind of create barriers to entry, 53 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:23,039 so that the hat makers and the window glazers and 54 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,960 the cigar wrappers could protect, you know, their interest in 55 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:26,599 the workplace. 56 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,719 Speaker 3: But the point then. 57 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:32,759 Speaker 2: Was Matt that these were all voluntary institutions. They had 58 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,800 no desire at that point. Well maybe they did. Some 59 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,000 of them did, but others didn't. Particularly Samuel Gompers, the 60 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:42,240 father of the American labor movement and the president of 61 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,840 the AFL, the American Federation of Labor during those formative 62 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:47,599 years in the late eighteen hundreds all the way up 63 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:50,879 to nineteen twenty four when he passed away. He believed 64 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:55,120 in voluntarism and he was one who decided that, you know, 65 00:03:55,159 --> 00:03:59,520 you shouldn't go to political entities to get power or privilege, 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,759 because he knew once you did that that you would 67 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:07,560 basically rely on government power, government privilege to basically expand 68 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,439 your power and privilege in the marketplace, as opposed to 69 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:17,439 taking steps to protect particular industries or particular guilds and 70 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,399 recruiting members by providing a good opportunity for them or 71 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:25,519 an ancestral opportunity for family members, et cetera, et cetera. 72 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,000 And so it was interesting when Gompers gave his final 73 00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:31,720 speech to the AFL convention in El Paso, Texas in 74 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,879 nineteen twenty four, he made a point to basically address 75 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,519 what was a grumbling among the delegates of that convention 76 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:42,240 that they ought to be going to the federal government. 77 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: For more power. 78 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:45,399 Speaker 2: And he said, and I try to get it as 79 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:47,959 close as I can. He said, the workers of America 80 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:54,160 here to voluntary institutions. Anything that forces will destroy what's 81 00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:58,920 brought together through voluntary instincts and voluntary means. And Gomfers 82 00:04:58,959 --> 00:05:00,920 is right about that. You know, it's real kind of 83 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,360 common sense stuff. You know, we don't join organizations we 84 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:08,720 don't agree with, but we're glad to participate, glad to contribute, 85 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,920 glad to be involved and give time to organizations that 86 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:14,920 are doing things that we support. I mean, it makes 87 00:05:14,959 --> 00:05:17,079 sense to have that as part of the kind of 88 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,560 the creation of an organization or the strength of an organization. 89 00:05:21,959 --> 00:05:24,759 But Organized Labor back in nineteen twenty six, although the 90 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,360 courts had granted them and Congress had granted them some 91 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,040 special privileges like you know, exempt from antitrust laws and 92 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,439 other things that happened. But their first real big victory 93 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,199 was in nineteen twenty six with the passes of the 94 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,000 Railway Labor Act that gave union officials the right to 95 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:42,399 organize and represent employees in the in the railway and 96 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:45,279 airline business. Although the airline business wasn't that big at 97 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:46,920 that time, it was the railroads that really were the 98 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,000 big part of the American economy. And that was a 99 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:52,519 huge victory for organized labor and one that basically set 100 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,160 the stage for what they would ask for when Roosevelt 101 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,720 became president in nineteen thirty five, and that was federal 102 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,800 control over private sector of labor management relations across the 103 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:03,639 entire country. 104 00:06:03,959 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: And while they tried it in their. 105 00:06:05,439 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: First go around, when Roosevelt was in the Congress passed 106 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,920 a bill that would have federally granted this power to 107 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:14,279 union officials to force the representation on workers who didn't 108 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,199 ask for, didn't want, didn't vote for unionization, and that 109 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,879 was up there. While Roosevelt signed it, it was challenged 110 00:06:19,879 --> 00:06:22,040 in the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court struck it down 111 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,800 as unconstitutional. And Matt, this is one of those instances 112 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,879 where history kind of creates an idiom the old quote 113 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,319 switching times save nine, because that was relevant here when 114 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:36,160 we talk about union power. So Roosevelt takes a beating 115 00:06:36,199 --> 00:06:38,879 from the Supreme Court on his One of his featured 116 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,199 programs of the New Deal was federal control over private 117 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:45,040 sector labor managed relations. He comes back two weeks later 118 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:47,399 with the Wagner Act, which is basically the same thing, 119 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:50,439 and in the meantime talks to the justices and says, you know, 120 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:52,959 the Chief Justice, Charles Evans hughes and says, you guys 121 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,240 are getting old over there. And you know, if you 122 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,279 continue to function after the age of seventy, we'll probably 123 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,720 give you an associate justice. The time that would have 124 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,439 meant six new justices to get it to fifteen. And Matt, 125 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,879 you're a student of the Constitution. You know that Article 126 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,480 three has no number for the US Supreme Court. It 127 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,519 just says there will be one and Congress can add 128 00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:13,879 and subtract as they see fit. So this was a 129 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:17,680 really substantial there's a substantial pressure from the president to 130 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:22,000 pack the court over labor policy, social security Bill, just 131 00:07:22,199 --> 00:07:24,040 a few other things that were part of the new deal. 132 00:07:24,439 --> 00:07:27,720 And obviously the second time around, the Supreme Court capitulates 133 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:31,240 they uphold it as constitutional. The labor union moves grows 134 00:07:31,439 --> 00:07:35,079 exponentially now that they have this unique power over private 135 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,240 sector workers. 136 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,319 Speaker 3: And the railroad industry. 137 00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:42,279 Speaker 2: Notwithstanding, and it's only until nineteen forty six elections when 138 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,519 there are literally I think millions of workers out on strike, 139 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,360 shutting down the economy. John Lewis of the Mind Workers 140 00:07:48,399 --> 00:07:50,759 is telling the American people, you can't have heat and 141 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,519 coal unless you do what we say. And finally there's 142 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:56,360 this response that says, wait a minute, we probably went 143 00:07:56,399 --> 00:07:58,879 too far. And instead of repealing the whole thing and 144 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,040 going back to state policy, see where states could be 145 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:05,079 the experimental laboratories of labor policy, they decided to basically 146 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:06,759 give the states the ability to. 147 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: Pass what are known as right to work laws. 148 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: So from nineteen forty seven till today, twenty six states 149 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,560 have done that. And that's kind of where we stand 150 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:16,839 when it comes to unionization. But suffice to say to 151 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,959 your point you mentioned the billions of dollars they spend 152 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,000 on politics. That's the result of their power and privilege 153 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,800 being basically manufactured through the legislative process, whether it be 154 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,879 at state legislatures for government employees, or whether it be 155 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,559 at the federal government to protect their privilege and power 156 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,480 in the federal in the private sector, that's where they play. 157 00:08:36,759 --> 00:08:39,159 That's why they have to pay politics. That's why they 158 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:41,960 have to raise and spend billions to make sure that 159 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,360 they have legislators that will not only listen but grant 160 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:47,600 them new powers to force more workers to pay union 161 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:48,679 do So that's. 162 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,879 Speaker 3: Kind of a quick arc of where we've been. 163 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:52,919 Speaker 2: And where we are with the labor union movement. I 164 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,440 think that's what you were looking for, I hope. 165 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: So it's very well done, very well done. And you know, 166 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,720 I think about over the course of history and that 167 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,559 pivotal moment where you have the President of the United 168 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,159 States and Frankly Deellan or Roosevelt trying to pack the 169 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,240 court again in no small part over labor policy. I 170 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,480 just keep thinking, the more things change, the more they 171 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:19,200 stay the same. Democrats, of course, have been talking about 172 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,240 packing the court and expanding the court to try to, 173 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:26,320 you know, get rid of the control of the Conservatives, 174 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,240 of course that they despise on that court. But you know, 175 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,399 we talk about volunteer how all of this really started. 176 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:41,480 That's voluntary organization, voluntary membership. And again I hearken back 177 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:44,279 to the notion that I certainly would never be a 178 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,919 member of a club that would have me as a member. 179 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,759 So I don't know where I would fit in all 180 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,240 of this. But when did when did it become involuntary, 181 00:09:54,279 --> 00:10:01,120 When did it become compulsory? When did the thuggery really begin? 182 00:10:01,399 --> 00:10:03,279 And I'm going to be blunt here because we have 183 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:09,360 seen lots of union, big labor thuggery over the course 184 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:12,320 of the last century plus in this country. 185 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, Matt, And you know, again it's a function 186 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:18,440 of that of that government power and then the privileges 187 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,759 being exempt from antitrust laws, being exempt from having judges 188 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,440 issue injunctions to shut down labor disputes. 189 00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: You know, nineteen eighteen Calvin Coolidge. 190 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: When he was the mayor of Boston and they had 191 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,360 a police strike there. That story is really an unbelievable story. 192 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:38,080 And so all this stuff went on, and employers had 193 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,240 something to do with it. Two Matt to be you know, 194 00:10:40,279 --> 00:10:42,720 we need let's be fair here, because they were trying 195 00:10:42,759 --> 00:10:45,039 to protect their property and they were using sometimes the 196 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:46,519 Pinkerton guards and others. 197 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 3: So it was it was both ways. 198 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:53,799 Speaker 2: But the compulsion and the force started with the Roosevelt administration, 199 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,120 with the Supreme Court upholding that Wagner Act basically giving 200 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,200 union officials the power to compel association and compel payment 201 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,399 of dues and fees. I mean, prior to that, union 202 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:08,519 officials had to win the hearts and minds of workers. 203 00:11:08,519 --> 00:11:10,879 And sometimes, when you know, the employers are out there 204 00:11:10,879 --> 00:11:13,159 beating people up, they win the hearts and minds of 205 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,159 workers very quickly. 206 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: But when they're beating people. 207 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,799 Speaker 2: Up, sometimes they lose the hearts and minds of workers too. 208 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,759 And I will say to your point that the notion 209 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,120 that employers are continuing to use these tactics, I mean, 210 00:11:27,159 --> 00:11:30,080 these taxes are occurring right now in Boston, Massachusetts, in 211 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,960 this Republican republic excuse me, garbage collection strike that's ongoing. 212 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 3: They you know, they ran. 213 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:39,039 Speaker 2: Strikes in San Diego, they ran strikes in Philadelphia, They 214 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,360 ran these kind of these secondary boycott like strikes across 215 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:44,720 the country, so the teams start could flex their muscles. 216 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:47,480 In an ongoing strike where garbage is piling up in Boston, 217 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,440 tires are being slashed, people are being threatened, you know, 218 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:54,200 people are being assaulted with you know, with spray in 219 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,360 the front windshield as they are driving these big trucks 220 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:56,960 down the road. 221 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,519 Speaker 3: I mean, these things continue to go on. 222 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 2: We tell a story of Rod Carter, who is a 223 00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:03,679 UPS driver who decided across the picket line at UPS 224 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,960 and you know, he got an anonymous call at his 225 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,559 home that night saying, you know, watch out, we're coming 226 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:10,679 for you. And the next day he pulls out of 227 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,159 the yard and comes up to a red light and 228 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,559 he's surrounded by five cars and they pull him out 229 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,360 of the truck, stab them five times with an ice pick, 230 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,080 and on where they go. 231 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: I mean, these are the stories of kind of using. 232 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:23,279 Speaker 2: Intimidation to convince people they shouldn't they shouldn't counter or 233 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,559 shouldn't stand up against this kind of union coercion and 234 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,000 corruption that exists. And so the story the narrative here 235 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,840 in order to add tad insult to injury, we have 236 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:37,159 a nineteen seventy three Supreme Court case called Enmans E 237 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:40,000 n MNS, and I always spell it because people will 238 00:12:40,039 --> 00:12:42,559 look it up because they say that can't be true. 239 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: But Edman's the Supreme Court ruled that union. 240 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: Officials cannot be prosecuted under the Hobsact for extortion, racketeering, 241 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:54,200 and violence that is used to quote achieve union legitimate 242 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:55,080 union objectives. 243 00:12:55,159 --> 00:12:56,879 Speaker 3: I mean, imagine that, Matt amazing. 244 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,879 Speaker 2: Yes, so you get a get out of jail free car. 245 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:02,519 And then you have states that pass similar laws that 246 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,120 say no public law enforcement agency can enforce the law 247 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,440 during a violent union strike because until the governor says 248 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,960 you can, or some elected official says you can. 249 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: I mean, these are the privileges that got. 250 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: To them, and then defending their compulsion is usually comes 251 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,039 with a bat or a lead pipe, or nails in 252 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,120 the road or intimidating someone with a bloody severed cow's 253 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:27,159 head on the hood of. 254 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,799 Speaker 3: Their car when they go to work in the morning. 255 00:13:29,039 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: I mean, these are all stories that of people that 256 00:13:31,159 --> 00:13:34,600 we've helped through the process of defending themselves against this 257 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,960 type of coercion and type of violence. I mean, look, 258 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,720 there are a lot of union people out there that 259 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:42,080 love their unions. And they are part of their unions, 260 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,279 and those local unions are doing good things for workers. 261 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,600 But this is part and parcel of the storyline for 262 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,039 the American labor movement. Guys like Jimmy Hoffa, guys like 263 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,840 Sean Fayne, guy like Sean O'Brien, who you know who 264 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,279 use the F word fairly regular is a regular part 265 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,840 of his dialogue. I mean, these people are out there 266 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:03,159 to prove that they're the toughest people on the street. 267 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,600 And that whole kind of aura is designed to intimidate 268 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,240 people when it comes to you know, union power and 269 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,639 the union workplace. And so it is part of their 270 00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:15,720 kind of mo if you will, to try to protect 271 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,759 what they have, whether it be politically or whether it 272 00:14:17,759 --> 00:14:19,519 be you know, in the at a. 273 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: Particular place of business. 274 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: But it's something that's wrong, and I think it's a 275 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,480 derivative of their compulsion and their force that allows them 276 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,320 to be unaccountable to the rank and file workers. 277 00:14:32,799 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 4: Is your money actually working for you? 278 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 3: The watch Doout on Wall. 279 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,399 Speaker 4: Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 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Be informed. 287 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:01,360 Check out the Watchdout on Wall Street podcast with Christmerkowski 288 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,960 on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. 289 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,799 Speaker 1: Well, there's no doubt their power is slipping from them. 290 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,279 I mean, take a look at the membership numbers released 291 00:15:14,799 --> 00:15:19,879 in late January, as they are annually twenty twenty four. 292 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,840 What did we see. The percent of wage and salary 293 00:15:23,919 --> 00:15:29,200 workers who were members of unions slipped below ten percent 294 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:33,200 nine point nine percent in twenty twenty four. Now, that 295 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:38,159 was little changed from the previous year. But people are 296 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,080 voting with their feet, and they are responding to a 297 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,480 number of different things. First and foremost, it's the stuff 298 00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:48,480 that you're involved in on a daily basis. Worker freedom, 299 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,559 people who are tired of having to be forced to 300 00:15:53,559 --> 00:15:57,279 pay union dues, people who are tired be forced to 301 00:15:57,279 --> 00:16:00,080 be in memberships, or how votes are taken. All all 302 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,519 of these kinds of things. That's what the right to 303 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,159 work movement is truly all about. But there is so 304 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,799 much more to this. What we've seen over particularly this 305 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,799 century thus far, the first quarter of this century, a 306 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,840 lot of different moving parts and certainly some significant changes 307 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,759 on the worker freedom front. You folks were involved. 308 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:29,799 Speaker 2: In that, Yeah, indeed, Matt, And it's an ongoing fight 309 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:32,840 every day is you know, you have to defend what 310 00:16:32,879 --> 00:16:37,440 you've got and try to expand individual freedom in the workplace, 311 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,320 whether it be through the courts or through the legislatures 312 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,480 in the fifty States or here in Congress. 313 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: So there is a lot of work to be done. 314 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,759 Speaker 2: But there have been great moments of movement forward. I mean, 315 00:16:48,799 --> 00:16:51,120 for example, the Janis case. You and I've talked about 316 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,919 this in the past. Twenty eighteen, the US Supreme Court 317 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,559 said that every government worker in America, no matter what 318 00:16:56,679 --> 00:16:59,919 level of government, has First Amendment protections against being four 319 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,200 to pay union douser fees to work for government. That's 320 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,279 a right to work law for a very large segment 321 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,640 of the American economy, which is government. 322 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,319 Speaker 3: Unfortunately it's bigger than it should be. 323 00:17:09,759 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: But those types of wins, those types of battles are 324 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:17,200 only a result of people. We the people that we 325 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,640 know who we are as our government, this kind of 326 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,559 grand experiment's self. Government have looked and found this model 327 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,119 for forced unionism as wanting. And so it's not surprising 328 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,720 to me growing up in a union household as I did. 329 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,519 My stepfather was a thirty two year member of the 330 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:34,839 machinist union, seeing how they operated back in the nineteen seventies, 331 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:35,440 see how they. 332 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: Operate today, and being kind of involved. 333 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:41,279 Speaker 2: In this in the front edge of it. It's the 334 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,079 union officials that are the biggest problem that the union 335 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,839 movement has in this country. And Matt, probably the best 336 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,880 example occurred back in November of twenty twenty four. You 337 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:55,079 had a private sector union movement that voted a majority 338 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,839 of the union households and members who voted for Donald Trump, 339 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,599 despite the fact that union of officials, the union bosses 340 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:05,960 spent literally hundreds of millions of dollars against. 341 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: Donald Trump to stop them from ending up in the 342 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,480 White House. 343 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 2: That kind of disconnect between union officials and union bosses 344 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,000 on one hand, and rank and file workers on the 345 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,519 other is exactly the type of thing that is driving 346 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:22,839 down the support for the membership of and the financial 347 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,839 strength of organized labor. There's still a thirty billion dollars 348 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:29,799 a year business when it comes to government contracts and 349 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,279 union dues and other revenue streams that they have, But 350 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:38,559 the idea of the support for unions is decreasing because 351 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:39,920 they continue. 352 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:40,519 Speaker 3: To rely on compulsion. 353 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 2: You know, the unions will say, well, you know, seventy 354 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,920 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of unions. That 355 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,039 may be true, you know, generally, yeah, okay, I agree that, 356 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,960 you know, workers should have a voice in the workplace, 357 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,799 et cetera, et cetera. But when you ask the second 358 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,240 question of are you interested in joining union? Most Americans 359 00:18:56,319 --> 00:18:58,440 say no way. And then if you ask a third 360 00:18:58,519 --> 00:19:00,440 question and say do you believe workers should be forced 361 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:02,960 to join or pay dues to a union to get 362 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:05,440 or keep a job, we get to eighty two eighty 363 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,039 three percent of Americans to say, know how, no way, 364 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,640 and that includes seventy percent plus of union members and 365 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,039 union households to get it, you know, as part of 366 00:19:14,079 --> 00:19:14,720 that coalition. 367 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,039 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you note that, and that is exactly 368 00:19:18,079 --> 00:19:20,880 what has happened, this disconnect that has been going on 369 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:26,519 between big labor bosses pulling in some you know, some 370 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:32,200 very comfortable wages and earnings and the people that they're 371 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,640 supposed to be benefiting. Instead of focusing on, you know, 372 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:42,559 the worker, they're focusing on political causes that a lot 373 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:46,880 of the workers don't agree with. They're pouring money into 374 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,039 politicians that go against their you know, personal viewpoints, their 375 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:57,079 political viewpoints, their economic viewpoints, all of these sorts of things. 376 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:03,880 And so it is not surprising that Democrats have lost 377 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:10,519 union support and that unions have lost workers support down 378 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:14,160 once again to under ten percent. And you see the 379 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:23,880 dominance still where unions exist remain in government positions. You know, again, 380 00:20:24,079 --> 00:20:28,599 this shouldn't come to a surprise to the unions. They 381 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,559 must be running scared. And you know what happens when 382 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,759 when folks start running scared. 383 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed. 384 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,279 Speaker 2: You know what I find interesting is the academics and 385 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:42,119 the people that follow this, and they're you know, they're 386 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,519 really smart people. The Ivory Tower, people who who who 387 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:50,960 postulate labor policy that creates utopian situations, which you know, 388 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,920 oftentimes is a dream of the left and the Marxist 389 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,599 and the progressives. 390 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: They you know, if they can control it, then it'll 391 00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:57,400 all work, it'll be perfect. 392 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,799 Speaker 2: It's just those bad people in the Soviet Union, those 393 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:01,359 bad people in China just don't know how to do 394 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:01,720 it right. 395 00:21:01,759 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 3: But anyway, that is a pretty important point. 396 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: You know, this idea of the radical nature of the unions, 397 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:11,000 the union officials views on the world, and how it 398 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:15,680 reflects back. Unfortunately, you know, after Donald Trump won the 399 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,960 presidency and won a majority of private sector workers, whether 400 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,519 they had a union card in their wallet or not, 401 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:25,319 Republican politicians, Matt and you know you've seen this as 402 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,279 much as I have. You know, all of a sudden 403 00:21:27,319 --> 00:21:28,920 the like goes on and says, oh my gosh, we 404 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:30,519 just got you know, we're now can be that, we 405 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:32,960 can be the party of the working people. And how 406 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,000 do we manifest that, how to make that happen? How 407 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,880 do we solidify that? Well, guys like Josh Holly from 408 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,680 Missouri believe the way you do that as you go 409 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:43,039 talk to the union bosses and say, hey, what legislation 410 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,240 do you want that you know, would make unions a 411 00:21:46,279 --> 00:21:49,039 little more powerful. And when he when he does that, 412 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,359 he forgets that the disconnect between union officials and rank and. 413 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:54,799 Speaker 3: File workers is real and growing. The thing that we 414 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,480 just talked about. But there are Republicans that do that. 415 00:21:57,559 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: And to your point, it's about the political money ultimately, 416 00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:03,799 and the Democrats. You know, this is the mother's milk 417 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,960 of many Democratic campaigns, these people, I mean, the Open 418 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,759 Secrets reports just recently in twenty twenty four, the Union 419 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:14,039 spent two hundred and eighty eight million dollars just in 420 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,640 federal elections. And that's not even really all the money, Matt. 421 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,240 That's kind of what they report and what's visible. There's 422 00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:22,480 a lot of invisible money out there, you know, they 423 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,000 talk about the dark money. The guiltiest party with dark 424 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:28,559 money are the Democrats and the union bosses for sure. 425 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,319 Speaker 1: The great projectionist of course. 426 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, Yeah, that's right, that's exactly right. But so 427 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:35,559 you have this flow of money and it's just this. 428 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,160 It's again, there there are other players out there that 429 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,480 get more attention than organized labor. 430 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 3: But we've estimated based on reports they. 431 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,799 Speaker 2: File where they're you know, reporting their LM two forms 432 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:50,359 to the Department of Labor that include lobbying and politics, 433 00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:53,920 their political action reports that they file for their packs. 434 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:56,160 I mean, you can get to two billion dollars every 435 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,839 two years, very very quickly. Now I know there's others 436 00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:01,079 out there that are spending, you know, lots of money, 437 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,400 like the Zuckerbergs and the Soroses. 438 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 3: And others on both sides. 439 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: Frankly, but organized labor is still I would say they 440 00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:10,119 had to be the eight hundred pound gorilla, but there's 441 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,000 certainly the five hundred pound gorilla in the public policy process. 442 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,160 And that's out of all proportion to their members and 443 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,160 their membership. We're only talking about five point nine percent 444 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,680 of the private sector workforce, and to your point, Matt, 445 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:24,240 under ten percent of all the workers in the country, 446 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:25,759 including government employees. 447 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: So it's definitely clear. 448 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: That it's not the power of their membership that's what 449 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:35,240 gives them political power. It's the power of the privilege 450 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,119 they've been granted by politicians. And that's where the rub 451 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,400 is and that's what right works all about. We're trying 452 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,640 to give employees and union members the chance to hold 453 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,559 their union officials accountable for the things that you talked 454 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:50,640 about them giving money to candidates who oppose and are 455 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,559 have the absolute opposite political or ideological views, then the 456 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:55,880 members they claim to represent. 457 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:57,279 Speaker 3: That's the secret of it. 458 00:23:57,319 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: And I think if we could do that, if union 459 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,160 officials would finally stand up and say, hey, this is 460 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,079 what we're doing wrong. In fact, academics and Ivory towers. 461 00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:07,119 To get back to my point, they're writing about it 462 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,880 now that union membership actually even decreased during the Biden 463 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,559 years when he put his thumb on the scale to 464 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:16,680 give your officials literally billions of dollars and opportunities with 465 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,519 government power to say, hey, if you want some of 466 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,279 this government money, you have to have a union. 467 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 3: You have to be neutral about unionization. That didn't even work. 468 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: Interesting. Our guest today is Mark Mex, president of the 469 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,680 National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation and the National 470 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:36,240 Right to Work Committee. We talk about the state of 471 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,960 worker freedom as we approach this Labor Day. That is 472 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,920 so interesting. With all of the money and all of 473 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:51,599 the incentives, people still reject the outsized power of the 474 00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:56,680 unions to control their fiefdoms. And you know, again, the 475 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,279 more things change, the more they you know, the more 476 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:06,119 they stayed the same. This still remains that revolutionary spirit 477 00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:10,640 of seventeen seventy six that is inculcated in I think 478 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,279 most Americans still, and I think that's the feeling out there. 479 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:19,680 I have to ask you what happened to Haley you know, 480 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,279 he has been a pretty solid conservative, but man, has 481 00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:29,119 he been courting big labor here for a while. What gifts? 482 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,720 What happened? 483 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: Well, Matt, I obviously don't know. I would love to 484 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,400 get a chance to ask him. You know, the first 485 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,039 thing coming out of the box that he said, which 486 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,839 was so confusing to me and should be confusing to 487 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,359 anyone who heard him say it, was that he said 488 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,559 he would never impose right to work on anyone. I'll 489 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,160 let that sit there for a minute, because you had 490 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,720 the exact right response, like, wait a minute, you have 491 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:56,880 no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, impose right to work. 492 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,640 The imposition is the forced unionism granted by government back 493 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,599 in the nineteen thirties. They imposed it on the entire country, 494 00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:06,599 They imposed it on the entire private sector. I mean, 495 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,279 that's the that's the first original sin of what happened 496 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,440 to organized labor, as I mentioned, going all the way 497 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,279 back to Samuel Gompers. The government decided to jump into this, 498 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:17,519 and union is encouraged him to do so, and they 499 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:20,799 impose themselves on workers. But yet jo Josh Holly comes 500 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,240 out with, well, I would never impose right to work 501 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:26,119 on anyone, So that's a headshaker to begin. I mean, 502 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,839 this guy's what a Stanford and a Yale graduate, and 503 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,960 he's very good, I mean to your point. Every time 504 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000 he shows up, and he's a kind of a media hound. 505 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:37,400 He's you know, he's good at the committee process, he's 506 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,960 good at public public affairs, he's good at framing things up. 507 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 3: But in this gives good clips. 508 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:46,519 Speaker 2: Like I was, Yes, he's just wrong. He's just wrong 509 00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:49,079 on this is in fact, it goes this far, Matt. 510 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,839 He's now introduced to bill Senate Bill eight forty four. 511 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,559 You can look this up to verify what I'm telling you. 512 00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:59,400 That basically says this. He says that once the union 513 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,400 gets into a they're certified that negotiations must begin with 514 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,720 the union within ten days, and then within ninety days 515 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,960 you must have a contract in place governing the working 516 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,039 conditions of these employees. Now that may sound like, hey, 517 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,119 what's the problem, why can't we get an agreement in 518 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,480 ninety days. Well, in order to understand how difficult that 519 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,799 can be, is that the conditions over what you're bargaining 520 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,359 deal with every element of the employment process in a business. 521 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,279 Heretofore that's had control over their employees and the benefits 522 00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:33,559 and the conditions and the workouts. All those things have 523 00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:36,920 been part and parcel of that relationship between employees and employers. 524 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,240 A union comes in and says, we're negotiating. We're opening 525 00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:42,039 up everything you do, the way you run your business, 526 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,759 the way you manage your employees, We're now going to 527 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,839 change that. There are what are called mandatory subject of 528 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,279 bargaining that you have to negotiate over. There's voluntary subjects 529 00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:53,480 of bargaining which you don't have to negotiate over. 530 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:54,519 Speaker 3: But ultimately it ends. 531 00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 2: You know, let me just as a side union security, 532 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,680 which is the forced payment of dues. What side do 533 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,640 you think that is mandatory or non mandatory? 534 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,599 Speaker 1: Matt, I think we know. 535 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. For you, you know the answer, it's a mandatory subject 536 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,400 of bargaining. And so basically, within this ninety day period 537 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,240 you have to get a total agreement that now governs 538 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,359 this business. So and if you don't get that, then 539 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,400 what happens is under Holly's bill is a member of 540 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,000 the federal bureaucracy, specifically the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service 541 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:25,160 will fly out to your business, will sit down with 542 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,559 the union, and you, the owner of the business, and 543 00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:31,319 you will have thirty days to get through any conflicts 544 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,720 or disagreements you have and if you don't, if you 545 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:38,160 don't agree at the end of that thirty days, then 546 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,720 the federal government will impose a contract, will impose working 547 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:43,799 conditions on a private sector business. 548 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,559 Speaker 1: Amazing that you. 549 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: Talk about imposition. There's a real imposition when a government 550 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,480 says to the private sector employer, here's how you're going 551 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,599 to run your business. Here's how you're going to handle 552 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,640 your employees. That's a Josh Holly bill. That is really strange. 553 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:02,319 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's really strange. I don't know 554 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,160 how he got to this point, but let me go 555 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,119 to the campaign finance stylings, and I bet I have an. 556 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 3: Answer for you. 557 00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,759 Speaker 1: Do well, I don't have it right here in front 558 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,480 of me, and it is only a subposition on my part, 559 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:17,960 But I think it's a good hunch that when you 560 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:21,440 see bills like that coming from people that usually don't 561 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,240 push bills like that, there is money somewhere involved. Well, 562 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:30,039 we'll check that, of course, but obviously he's changed his 563 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,680 position on these sorts of things for whatever reason, or 564 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:39,160 is pushing this pro big labor position for whatever reason, 565 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,960 and he seems to be doing that counter to what 566 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:48,319 we're seeing from Trump two point oh. The Trump administration 567 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:54,200 in the first seven eight months of Trump two point 568 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:58,880 oh has been extremely aggressive on all fronts. It has 569 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,759 had an extremely ambitious agenda, trying to do a number 570 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:07,960 of things to secure America and to make America more prosperous. 571 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:13,599 And it certainly has been dealing with the labor issue 572 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,680 in this country some pretty big battles and pretty big initiatives. 573 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,880 What are you seeing out of this administration thus far? 574 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I think probably the bright spot for me 575 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,599 is what he's doing with the federal bureaucracy and the 576 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,839 unions there. This is really I mean, look, I can 577 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,519 make the case that unions don't belong or the mandatory 578 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:36,000 bargaining structure does not belong in government, and frankly I 579 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:39,720 count Franklin Roosevelt as an ally in this particular position 580 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,279 that I have. I count George Meeni in the Executive 581 00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:46,400 Council of the AFLCIO in nineteen fifty nine as allies 582 00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:49,759 in the argument that you don't unionize government employees, you 583 00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:53,319 allow for them to join unions. That's no problem because 584 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:55,640 These are private organizations and they can lobby. They can 585 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,519 do what you know citizens are supposed to do when 586 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:03,559 they redress the government for demands or whatever. In Virginia, 587 00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:06,720 we have probably the most powerful union in Virginia is 588 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:07,680 the Firefighters Union. 589 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,799 Speaker 3: They're a voluntary organization. They've now been. 590 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,559 Speaker 2: Granted some privileges to quote, have union contracts and force 591 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,720 government and these local entities to negotiate with them. But 592 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:19,880 the idea is, Okay, you get to make your case, 593 00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:23,599 but we have no obligation to recognize you for setting 594 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,680 terms and conditions of government policy. By definition, unions are monopoly. 595 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,400 You don't want to apply a monopoly to a monopoly. 596 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,039 That causes real trouble. And we've seen the results of that, 597 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,359 whether it be in Wisconsin, the first state to do it, 598 00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:39,720 saying my gosh, if we don't reform this system, we're 599 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,759 going bankrupt. Scott Walker did it with Act ten, which 600 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:46,039 is under attack again, but has saved taxpayers in Wisconsin 601 00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:49,839 something like thirty billion dollars over since that time when 602 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,279 they simply reformed the bargaining structure in Wisconsin. Trump is 603 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:56,519 doing at the federal level, and the pushback has been dramatic. 604 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,480 From organized labor officials. There are I don't know how 605 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,680 many laws. 606 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:00,799 Speaker 3: Are, Matt. 607 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,359 Speaker 2: I mean they literally count in the hundreds all the 608 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,079 lawsuits trying to stop President Trump from doing what he's doing. 609 00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:08,960 And I know that the National Treasury Employees Union, the 610 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,599 American Federation of Government Employees asks me SCIU, they've all 611 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,039 got lawsuits against Trump for trying to reform the federal 612 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:20,319 government structure and basically saying, look, well, you guys can 613 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,839 readdress us, you can talk about this, you can organize, 614 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:26,000 you can protest, you can stand in Lafayette Park or 615 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 in front of the White House, and you can argue 616 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,839 about all you want, but we're going to run this 617 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,720 government the way we think it should be run absent 618 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,960 kind of this power, this power that union officials have 619 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,599 to control the bureaucracy to that degree. So that's been 620 00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:41,400 a real bright light on the private sector stuff. He's 621 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,640 still got a National Lab Relations Board that he needs 622 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,680 to fill out. He's nominated two potential members of that board. 623 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,400 He's nominated a general council. Those are kind of stuck. 624 00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:51,599 Josh Holly being one of perhaps the one of the 625 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,039 obstacles to getting his nominee confirmed who's already had a 626 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:58,599 hearing in the Senate Labor Committee the General Council, and 627 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:03,519 Holly expressed he's got significant reservations about the Trump nominee. 628 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: I think when if we can get it through committee, if. 629 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,319 Speaker 2: Josh Holly, if he be a vote in the commute, 630 00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:10,880 I think he'd vote for a Trump nominee. But those 631 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,319 are some of the problems that exist. But it's not 632 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,680 for lack of try. And Matt I think that the 633 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,799 policies that are articulating are exactly the policies that private 634 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,880 sector workers voted for when it came to securing the border, 635 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,200 reducing the size of government, lowering regulation, opening up our 636 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,680 energy policy, things that have at bringing manufacturing back to 637 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,960 the United States, which is, if you're a union official, 638 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,319 you'd say this is great news. We have more chances 639 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:36,839 to organize more workers. 640 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,519 Speaker 1: Isn't that really what the union should truly be about, 641 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,920 is the return of manufacturing. And yet at every not 642 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,680 all of them. And again, let me make this clear. 643 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,839 You know I came from, like you mark, a union family. 644 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,839 My dad worked for thirty six years John Deere Debuque 645 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:03,960 and was part of the UAW. I remember the strikes. 646 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,440 I also remember the abuses of course, but you want 647 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,199 to be in a union, you be in a union. 648 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,280 You see the value in being in a union. You 649 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,079 be in a union. But this compulsory stuff is not popular, 650 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:18,119 as you mentioned with Americans. You know what else isn't popular. 651 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:23,280 It's unions that are out front and center, marching alongside 652 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:29,280 with Marxist radicals in opposition to ICE agents who are 653 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:34,039 simply trying to enforce our immigration laws in America. It's 654 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:41,039 unions that are forcing their members they're Jewish members, to 655 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:50,360 pay for anti Semitic policies and speech. This again, we 656 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,679 talk about disconnect, But how much more of a disconnect 657 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,039 do you get on these issues that you know Americans 658 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,599 in the main absolutely agree on. 659 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 660 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 2: Well, just to take one of those pieces, the Jewish 661 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,360 students on college campuses. One of the new open frontiers 662 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,440 for organized labor is graduate of students, graduate students in 663 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:14,719 private colleges and state run government institutions as well at 664 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,480 the higher education level. And we had a case on 665 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:20,960 behalf of an MIT graduate student who literally had to 666 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,079 support a union, had to financially give them fees and 667 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,400 be represented by them as a condition of continuing his 668 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,840 graduate studies and the fellowship that would get him to 669 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,760 the end of the journey to get that doctorate degree. 670 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,960 And the union that he was forced to associate with 671 00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:41,920 and force to fund was the ones fomenting the anti semitism. 672 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 3: After the October seventh. 673 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,519 Speaker 2: Attack on the college campuses, we just followed lawsuits on 674 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:49,320 behalf of a student from Dartmouth College and Cornell University. 675 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 3: We've had thousands and thousands. 676 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,679 Speaker 2: Of graduate students call us and professors Jewish professors on 677 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,760 campuses across the country that are forced to support the 678 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,760 United Electrical Union or the UAW that are two unions 679 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,159 that intially enough represent graduate students and college professors. You know, 680 00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:08,239 I'll let you figure that out, Matt. I've got a 681 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,320 better mind than I do about how that works. But 682 00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:13,840 the bottom line is this, you know, that forced association 683 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,320 for an organization that's literally lobbing for the boycott, divest 684 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,280 and sanctioned or from the river to the sea mantras 685 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,079 that have been articulated on the college campuses. And he's 686 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,480 sitting back with this guy Will Sussman, who who was 687 00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,320 our client at MIT, is seeing by saying, how in 688 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,400 the world can I be forced to associate with that organization. 689 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,519 How in the world can I be forced to pay 690 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,239 fees to that organization in order to continue my studies 691 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,480 in my graduate level work. 692 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 3: It's just crazy. 693 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 2: But that's where we are when you add in that 694 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:48,360 heavy dose of compulsion and forced association, and that there's 695 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,239 no better example of it, Matt than something like you articulated. 696 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,599 And then I give you an example of exactly what's happening, 697 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,880 whether it be on a college campus or in a 698 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,079 private sector workplace. 699 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,519 Speaker 1: I'm familiar with Will's story. It's it's very powerful, and 700 00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:07,400 he is a very powerful, you know, and and articulate 701 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,119 young man who has you know, gotten to a point 702 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,519 that a lot of Americans have and a lot of 703 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:18,320 members forced to be in unions, forced to pay union dues. 704 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:24,320 They're sick of having to pay portions of their paycheck 705 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,119 going to ideas and politicians and political views and agendas 706 00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:33,960 they simply do not agree with. So, with all of 707 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,239 that said, with the numbers continuing to decline in America 708 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,360 union membership, where does organized labor go from here? Where 709 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,559 does the right to work movement go from here? Particularly 710 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,760 in a time where you have some I think some 711 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:59,039 significant opportunities with the president currently in the White House. 712 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,000 But you also know that anything that comes from an 713 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,960 executive order is subject to change, so any of those 714 00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:10,800 victories can be instantly removed with the stroke of a 715 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,599 pen in the next liberal administration. Where do you all 716 00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:15,239 go from here? 717 00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:18,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me start with where we are, And really 718 00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:20,000 it's quite simple, Matt. We'll continue to do the work 719 00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,800 that we've been doing since nineteen fifty five at the Committee, 720 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,719 in nineteen sixty eight at the Foundation, and that is 721 00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,880 defending individual workers' rights, whether it be through litigation or 722 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,159 expanding and protecting the rights that exist for workers across 723 00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:36,519 the country in legislatures across the country. Obviously, we've got 724 00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:38,480 our National Right to Work Act pending in the United 725 00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:42,800 States Congress right now. It's literally a one page bill, Matt, 726 00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,719 doesn't add as single word to federal law, simply repeals 727 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,639 the provisions from that nineteen thirty five legislation that imposed 728 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,840 force unionism on the country and basically defaults to voluntarism in. 729 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,679 Speaker 3: The American workplace when it comes to union membership. And 730 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:58,679 where is that right now? 731 00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: Mark? Where? 732 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been introduced in the Senate. Ran Paul from 733 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,800 Kentucky is the primary sponsor there. We have twenty three 734 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,880 co sponsors of the bill. I believe it's in the 735 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,760 House pending in a committee there. We've got one hundred 736 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,800 and six or one hundred and seven sponsors of that 737 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,199 bill in the House Representatives. Senate Bill five thirty three, 738 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,719 House Bill twelve thirty two, if you want to look 739 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,400 that up literally, it's one page, take my word for it. 740 00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:25,960 So that's kind of our legislative agenda. The litigation agendas 741 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,239 continue to file suits, and to your point, Matt, we've 742 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,119 got a little window of opportunity where if we get 743 00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:31,119 a new National Labor. 744 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 3: Relations Board, we've got a bunch. 745 00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:37,119 Speaker 2: Of cases in the pipeline that will give the MLRB 746 00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:39,679 a chance to one roll back some of the things 747 00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:41,760 that Biden has done and his MLRB did over the 748 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,920 last four years, including eliminating the secret ballot election almost 749 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,679 while virtually eliminating it, saying that card check was going 750 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,840 to be the default position for union certification, and card 751 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,360 check means three union officials throw show up on your 752 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,320 porch at ten o'clock at night with a little piece 753 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,519 of paper and say sign this. We encourage you to 754 00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:01,119 sign this and if you sign that to vote for unionization. 755 00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:03,960 So we'll continue to try to try to roll back 756 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,039 some of those those things that happened during the Biden 757 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:10,360 years and then expand more individual workers' rights in the workplace. 758 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 3: So we'll do that for the unions. What I would 759 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,079 recommend is go. 760 00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:17,519 Speaker 2: Back to the shop floor, get off the legislative floor, 761 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,760 go back to the shop floor. Get out of the 762 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,360 business of supporting things that have nothing to do with 763 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,400 the workplace, like bds, like anti you know, the anti Semitic, 764 00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:32,280 pro Palestinian riots that union officials have been using. 765 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 3: Does money to support and fillment. Get out of that business. 766 00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,519 Speaker 2: Get back into the business of supporting workers and what 767 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:40,920 it was it to the famous saying Kevin Costner, if 768 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,039 you build it, they will come. If you build a 769 00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:45,880 structure that can provide service to workers and prove that. 770 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,079 Speaker 3: You can benefit them, they will come. But they won't 771 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:50,920 come because you force them. They'll become. 772 00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 2: They'll become because you're servicing them. And I would recommend, 773 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,639 with Samuel Gompers recommended in that final speech in nineteen 774 00:40:56,639 --> 00:41:00,960 twenty four, the workers of America here to volunteer institutions. 775 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,159 That's a great recipe for successful organized labor because there 776 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,559 was a place for unions. There is a place for unions, 777 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,480 and there will be a place for unions in the future. 778 00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,239 It's just a question of how they want to build 779 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,960 their business model or reform it. 780 00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 1: Well, you're an old baseball bum, as I, and you 781 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,519 know that that Kevin Costner line came from a movie 782 00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:23,880 called Field of Dreams that was filmed in Dyersville, Iowa, 783 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,760 not too far from a place where I used to 784 00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,719 live and work. And I can tell you this, that 785 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,199 movie is about bringing back some of the old timer 786 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,840 players like Shoeless Joe Jackson. Maybe the sequel they'll bring 787 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,719 back Pete Rose. 788 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 2: What do you think, hey, Now, Pete Rose was he 789 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,519 was a player that guy gave. Well, he gave more 790 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:46,199 than one hundred and ten percent to baseball, but he 791 00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:47,599 always gave one hundred and ten percent. 792 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,159 Speaker 1: Charlie Hussel, Maybe Rob Manfred will actually ease his pain, 793 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,320 as they said in that movie. 794 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,199 Speaker 3: Well, as you think about Labor. 795 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: Day and you think about the union movement in the 796 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,559 Marria and some very important victories along the way, there's 797 00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:07,360 no doubt about it. The forty hour week, they'll always 798 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,960 talk about that. They'll talk about the end the battles 799 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,679 against forced child labor and all of those sorts of things. 800 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,960 I don't doubt that significance at all. But I want 801 00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:22,400 you also to think about the significance the importance of 802 00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:28,320 basic principles of this republic, and that is worker freedom 803 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,039 without a doubt. And the people that Mark has been 804 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:38,239 working with for many, many years now are all about 805 00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:42,360 that worker freedom. Thanks to my guest today, Mark Mix, 806 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,880 president of the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation 807 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,719 and the National Right to Work Committee, you've been listening 808 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,599 to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt 809 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:56,639 Kittle's senior elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back 810 00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:00,760 soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom. I'm 811 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,000 anxious for the fire. 812 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 2: I heard the fame voice the reason, and then it 813 00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:14,599 faded away.