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<v Speaker 1>Oh hey, it's the rock in your pocket. Ali Ward

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<v Speaker 1>back with Part two of Geology. Have you listen to

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<v Speaker 1>part one?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't, go back listen to part one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>linked in the show notes. It covers everything from what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell is rock? To what's a boulder? Is sand rocks?

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<v Speaker 1>What's a mineral? How do we read rocks? Why are

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<v Speaker 1>they different colors? And what is the most low stakes

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<v Speaker 1>free hobby in the world involving a gravel driveway? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so listen to one and then now let's get to

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<v Speaker 1>part two. So this guest is once again beloved by

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<v Speaker 1>all getting their PhD at Oregon State studying paleoclimate and

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<v Speaker 1>glacial geology, and this follow up episode will answer questions

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you patrons for supporting the show from day one.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you also to any listener who rates and subscribes

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<v Speaker 1>and especially leaves reviews.

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<v Speaker 3>I read them all.

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<v Speaker 1>This week I picked Clifton's to read and they said,

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<v Speaker 1>Ologies is a magic school bus reboot none of us

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<v Speaker 1>knew we wanted, but better because it includes real scientists,

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<v Speaker 1>social scientists, audio memes, and cursing Clifton Thornton.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, if you don't want cursing, you can check out

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<v Speaker 1>the g rated Smologies episodes, which are linked in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes. Okay, Part two Geology, Pull up a petrified

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<v Speaker 1>stump and get ready for geodes, long hikes, lab grown diamonds.

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<v Speaker 3>Fossilized trees, space rocks, lead poisoning ponds, and their favorite

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<v Speaker 3>ever rock with lifelong lithophile and your new favorite geologist

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<v Speaker 3>Schmidty Thompson. Have some time for me to keep you

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit longer?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Absolutely, I've got no word to be god? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>can I make it a chief harder?

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<v Speaker 3>We should see, and we did. Thank you for being.

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<v Speaker 5>So patient of my very uninformed questions.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, no, no, no, no. It's great.

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<v Speaker 5>If someone comes to me like tell me about rocks,

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<v Speaker 5>like why is that not a great thing? Like that,

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<v Speaker 5>I get to be the person to tell them. Because

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<v Speaker 5>that's why I love talking about geology is just because

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's neat all right.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought This was a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda McClendon, Ariel Belch and Roda Vacaria wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>is ice a rock?

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<v Speaker 4>Ice rock?

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<v Speaker 5>That's a good question, and I don't think I have

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<v Speaker 5>a good definitive answer well now, because if you look

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<v Speaker 5>at just the very technical definition of what is a mineral,

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<v Speaker 5>ice fits a lot of those properties.

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<v Speaker 1>So, as we covered in Part one, a mineral is

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<v Speaker 1>a naturally occurring inorganic element or compound that has an

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<v Speaker 1>orderly internal structure. It has a crystal form and physical properties.

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<v Speaker 1>So ice kind of checks out.

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<v Speaker 5>But the thing that's different about ice is about, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>what kind of states that exists in relative to other rocks.

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<v Speaker 5>So for in the most part, you know, when you're

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<v Speaker 5>thinking about when does the rock become a liquid rock,

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<v Speaker 5>that happens at very very high temperatures. When rocks are

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<v Speaker 5>moving through our Earth systems, they're going to be behaving

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<v Speaker 5>very differently than when ice would be moving through the

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<v Speaker 5>same rains of temperatures. If you're a heat up a

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<v Speaker 5>rock until it became lava magma, ice would just be

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<v Speaker 5>vapor by that point. So I think it makes sense

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<v Speaker 5>in some ways. You know, we're looking at the technicality

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<v Speaker 5>and like, yeah, this fits in all of the same categories.

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<v Speaker 5>But then in terms of thinking about you know, how

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<v Speaker 5>does this material interact with in Earth systems? Like how

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<v Speaker 5>does it behave? How does it influence the nature of

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<v Speaker 5>our planet? Ice is kind of in its own category, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>There is debate about this and I triple checked, and

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<v Speaker 1>if it seems to icy, it's because it is.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's low down.

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<v Speaker 1>So a mineral needs to be composed of solids, and

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<v Speaker 1>water is not a solid, So no, the ice cubes

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<v Speaker 1>in your freezer are not minerals or rocks. However, if

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<v Speaker 1>solidified or a glacier, them's a rock.

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<v Speaker 3>A glacier is a rock. How hot does rock have

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<v Speaker 3>to be to melt or does that really depend on

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<v Speaker 5>It really depends on the rock. And it's actually part

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<v Speaker 5>of the reasons we're not just surrounded by one rock

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<v Speaker 5>is that different minerals crystallize different temperatures.

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<v Speaker 4>So when you have.

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<v Speaker 5>A blob of magma moving up through the Earth's crust,

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<v Speaker 5>it's going to be cooling, and as it's cooling, some

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<v Speaker 5>minerals might cool and drop out and sit at the

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<v Speaker 5>bottom and be left behind. And so that means that

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<v Speaker 5>that's one way for our Earth system people to sort like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, maybe a lot of the minerals that are

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<v Speaker 5>like deep in the sound of the Earth are going

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<v Speaker 5>to be really rich in things like iron and magnesium.

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<v Speaker 5>But as different kinds of minerals are crystallizing and cooling

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<v Speaker 5>and being left behind by magma moving, that's the way

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<v Speaker 5>to concentrate different amounts of elements in different kinds of rocks.

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<v Speaker 5>And so that's part of the reason that Earth is

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<v Speaker 5>the way it is is because we have, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>all these tectonic plates moving around, and we have this

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<v Speaker 5>mantle that is moving material around, and as rocks and

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<v Speaker 5>minerals are moving through igneous and sedimentary and metamorphic rocks,

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<v Speaker 5>it's kind of acting like it's sorting out different concentrations

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<v Speaker 5>of elements into different parts of the planet.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yes, rocks and water are acting like colanders and

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<v Speaker 1>sorting heavier elements and minerals, which then link up in

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<v Speaker 1>crystalline structures, sometimes in the cracks and spaces of other rocks,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why there might be, for example, a vein

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<v Speaker 1>of quartz in granite. Now, if there is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of silica dissolved in water, quartz rocks like amethyst might

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<v Speaker 1>form or agis.

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<v Speaker 3>And if the water has just a boatload of copper.

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<v Speaker 1>In it, years and years down the line, turquoise or

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<v Speaker 1>malachite might form, And gems and rocks can form sixty

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<v Speaker 1>feet to twenty five miles deep in the earth, but some,

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<v Speaker 1>like diamonds and parado.

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<v Speaker 2>Are a little bit more shy.

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<v Speaker 1>They crystallize as deep as one hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>miles below the surface of Earth, one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five miles deep in volcanic tunnels called kimberlite pipes and

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<v Speaker 1>weird fact, all diamonds are roughly one to three billion

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<v Speaker 1>years old, all of them.

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<v Speaker 3>They're old. They're special.

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<v Speaker 1>But historically diamond mining can come with a true human cost,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've been mined in war zones and some of

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<v Speaker 1>the money is used to fund more wars. Russia is

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<v Speaker 1>a huge diamond exporter, and recent sanctions mean fewer diamonds

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<v Speaker 1>on the market, which means Sillennials and gen z Folks

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<v Speaker 1>are looking to get hitched using other gems or lab

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<v Speaker 1>grown diamonds, which are actual structural diamonds totally legit diamonds,

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<v Speaker 1>but up to seventy three percent cheaper, and they're more

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<v Speaker 1>sustainably made. The resale value is less, but so are

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<v Speaker 1>the ethical bummers. But the lesson here is that the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing we can really rely on, the only constant,

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<v Speaker 1>is change. So yes, your life might feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>melting under the boiling, hellish pressure of the entire earth,

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<v Speaker 1>but something new and shinier and stronger is on its way.

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<v Speaker 1>Just give it a few billion years.

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<v Speaker 5>And that allows us to get all of the beautiful

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<v Speaker 5>variations of rocks that we have. So like, if you're

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<v Speaker 5>to go to other planets, they're not going to have

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<v Speaker 5>as many different kinds of rocks as we are because

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<v Speaker 5>they don't have the tectonic system that allows the different

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<v Speaker 5>kinds of.

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<v Speaker 4>Rocks to develop.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh So, like the rocks we have today were very

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<v Speaker 5>different from the rocks that first formed four point five

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<v Speaker 5>billion years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean that there might be completely different rocks

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<v Speaker 1>that don't exist now in the future.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a really good question.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't I don't know the answer to that, but

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<v Speaker 5>I know who I would ask about that, so I

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<v Speaker 5>might get back to you.

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<v Speaker 1>So Schmidty asked a friend who said that the planet

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<v Speaker 1>will settle at a lower temperature but have the same pressure,

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<v Speaker 1>which will stabilize the kind of rocks produced so same.

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<v Speaker 1>But Schmitty's friend wasn't sure if that would produce any

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<v Speaker 1>minerals we don't already have to be determined by a

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<v Speaker 1>time machine and a pickax. But what about on other planets?

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<v Speaker 1>So this next question was asked by patrons Gig Katie King,

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<v Speaker 1>Will kingen Ron Dagdag, and Gina Woolsey and a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of other people wanted to know. Gina says, space rocks

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<v Speaker 1>are cool. What are some of the coolest things found

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<v Speaker 1>via space rocks, either ones that have landed to the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth or ones that are still in space. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Woo wants to know, how do we know if

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<v Speaker 1>a rock is from space? And Alice rubens chimed in,

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<v Speaker 1>all rocks are from space. Technically we are also from space.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have thoughts on space rocks?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, thos on space rocks.

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<v Speaker 5>So space rocks are really cool because depending on where

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<v Speaker 5>it formed, that can tell us a lot about parts

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<v Speaker 5>of the Solar System that are really hurt to reach.

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<v Speaker 5>And so you know, a lot of our space rocks

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<v Speaker 5>are from I'm not expert on meteorites. This is just

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<v Speaker 5>a very broad overview, but a lot of the space

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<v Speaker 5>rocks formed when the rest of the planet's rocky plants

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<v Speaker 5>are forming, so they're just space dust that hasn't been

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<v Speaker 5>through the formation of a planet before. But we can

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<v Speaker 5>also get space rocks from the Moon, from the.

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<v Speaker 4>Planet Moon from the planet the Moon.

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<v Speaker 5>Star, so you have rocks from the Moon and sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>land on our planet. We also have rocks from Mars

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<v Speaker 5>that have made it to the Earth. Love that, so

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<v Speaker 5>we actually have rocks from Mars that we can study

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<v Speaker 5>because at some point Mars got hit by a meteor

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<v Speaker 5>meteorite and some Martian rocks get ejected into space and

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<v Speaker 5>they landed on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>For more on this, you can listen to the Areology

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<v Speaker 1>episode about Mars with doctor Jennifer Booze, which not just

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<v Speaker 1>Martian rocks, but also the time doctor Booze got to

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<v Speaker 1>handle Moon rocks and it didn't go well and she

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<v Speaker 1>lost her marbles. Also, the Selenology episode with rock hel

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<v Speaker 1>Nuno is all about the Moon and we have it

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<v Speaker 1>as a Smology's episode in case you have small young

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<v Speaker 1>people who want to learn about the Moon. Smology's episodes

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<v Speaker 1>are linked in the show notes. They're friendly for all ages.

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<v Speaker 1>They're free. Speaking of ages, Schmidi says that Iowa borne

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<v Speaker 1>geochemist doctor Claire Patterson had a bright idea to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how old the planet is? How old is this

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<v Speaker 1>thing we're living on?

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<v Speaker 5>But actually, I think one of the coolest things to

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<v Speaker 5>come out of studying space rocks is not necessarily about

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<v Speaker 5>the space rocks, but that's how we first figured out

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<v Speaker 5>how old a planet was was using space rocks. When

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<v Speaker 5>we were starting to figure out the age of the Earth,

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<v Speaker 5>someone had the idea that a lot of these space

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<v Speaker 5>rocks probably formed at the same time that the Earth did.

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<v Speaker 5>And one of the really cool things that you can

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<v Speaker 3>So get the lead out, that is all.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, doctor Clara Patterson, well done, High fives. So

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<v Speaker 1>of something called the lead violence hypothesis. So lead poisoning

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<v Speaker 1>Lead and gasoline post World War two meant a baby

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<v Speaker 1>and bands of leaded gasoline and lead paint correspond to

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<v Speaker 1>Claire Patterson. You also had to work on I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>atom Bomb too, but thanks for figuring out the lead

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and that Earth is four point five four three

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<v Speaker 1>billion years old, give or take fifty million years. I

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<v Speaker 1>liked Benjamin's question, Benjamin wants to know geology seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. My question is, how do you think

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate candy rocks look? Did they do a good job?

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<v Speaker 5>I should have a funny story about that. I had

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<v Speaker 5>some really amazing chocolate rocks. They were probably that size,

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<v Speaker 5>like an egg, painted with these beautiful metallic edible pains,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, this looks pretty convincing. And it's

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<v Speaker 5>crystals and looking at it under a microscope, licking it delicious,

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<v Speaker 5>and so it's really hard, Like a lot of people

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<v Speaker 5>send me pictures of rocks, and I oftentimes can't give

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<v Speaker 5>let's just try this, so I sent a picture of

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<v Speaker 5>this chocolate rocks and geology friends. It was like, what

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<v Speaker 5>do you think this is? And they all gave rock answers,

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<v Speaker 5>and then I sent the back picture of the rock

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<v Speaker 5>dropped in half, showing.

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<v Speaker 4>It with chocolate. The were all these pos So a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of chocolate rocks for a pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Good job mischief, good natured fun with just a dash

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<v Speaker 1>of endearing evil schmidty.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Miranda Panda wants to know if you saw the news

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<v Speaker 1>story about the large boulder the size of a small

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<v Speaker 1>had thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 4>I did see that.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't ever read the article about it, but that's

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<v Speaker 5>really funny to me because I feel like boulder is

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<v Speaker 5>one of those many funny words that a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>people in science interact with. It has a technical definition,

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<v Speaker 5>like there is a size of rock that above which

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<v Speaker 5>a rock is a boulder, but you know, the boulder

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<v Speaker 5>is a very common colloquial term, So I would I

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<v Speaker 5>would love to track down that article and see like

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<v Speaker 5>exactly who was using the world boulder and should they

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<v Speaker 5>have known better?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I want, I want to reach out to

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<v Speaker 1>size of a small car or what they were thinking

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<v Speaker 1>if it was just like just a brain fart. But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>side note, if you are just blissfully off of the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>you may have missed when a Colorado Sheriff's office tweeted

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<v Speaker 1>a photo of a geological road obstruction with the caption

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<v Speaker 1>large boulder the size of a small is completely blocking

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<v Speaker 3>Please use caution.

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<v Speaker 1>This was in January twenty twenty, when pre pandemic Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>was still sometimes used for things like silliness and chuckling

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<v Speaker 1>at typos and yes. In a subsequent interview, I went

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<v Speaker 1>who drafted that tweet, Susan Lily, admitted that she definitely

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<v Speaker 1>meant a large boulder the size of a small car,

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<v Speaker 1>but that large boulder sized small oopsie was just cute

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<v Speaker 1>as hell and anyway, language has a real plasticity to it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of that, Mohammed Farco and also Jules Clement, first

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<v Speaker 1>time question asker. Jules says, we have the bronze age,

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<v Speaker 1>the iron age, are we now in the plastic age?

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<v Speaker 3>And Mohammad wants to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I've read there's a new type of rock that

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<v Speaker 1>is how does that happen and what does it mean

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<v Speaker 1>in the larger scheme of things? Also, eke, are there

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<v Speaker 1>plastic rocks chocolate rocks? But are their plastic ones?

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<v Speaker 5>So there is something that we consider plastic rocks. So

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<v Speaker 5>just like how sand and silt and clay moves through

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<v Speaker 5>of plastic that are really really really really resistant to

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<v Speaker 5>degrading that are going to be moving through our rivers

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<v Speaker 5>and our oceans and they're gonna glomp together the same

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<v Speaker 5>way sand does. And so that's going to become part

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<v Speaker 3>How do you feel about it?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't feel good about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Plastic is if you're thinking geologically about the things humans

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<v Speaker 5>think there's a lot of real advantages to using products

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<v Speaker 5>that will eventually go back into the cycle of materials

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<v Speaker 5>moving through the earth, and plastic very much is not

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<v Speaker 3>When you're sitting on the beach, you're looking at sand,

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<v Speaker 5>I do see plastic, and if if I can reasonably

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<v Speaker 5>assume that it's not something that was gross, I I

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<v Speaker 5>try and pick it up. I'm a habitual trash picker.

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<v Speaker 5>Upper I was up to mpt by pockets before I

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<v Speaker 1>That happened with me today and I found some garbage

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<v Speaker 1>in the pocket. Then I forget where I even picked.

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<v Speaker 3>It up, but it was in there.

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<v Speaker 4>I always have to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's all aspire to find trash in our pockets on

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<v Speaker 1>laundry day, or even better, throw the trash away and

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<v Speaker 1>wash our disgusting hands as soon as we see a

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Chandler Witherington and Corey Francis Parks want to know first

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<v Speaker 1>time question. Ask for Corey, where do you even start

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<v Speaker 1>as an amateur geology fan. Chandler wants to know are

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<v Speaker 1>there any apps that you recommend to help identify rocks?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess unless the app licks the rock,

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<v Speaker 1>are you just fresh out of luck?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have any good apps to identify rocks. But

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<v Speaker 5>the two things I recommend would be you can go

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<v Speaker 5>to a local bookstore sometimes they'll have local rock guides,

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<v Speaker 5>or you can get like a paper I still have,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I have two various field guides to rock

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<v Speaker 5>and minerals books that I've been carrying around with me

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<v Speaker 5>for many years. And then there's a website and recommend

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<v Speaker 5>if people are really interested in learning about rocks. There's

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<v Speaker 5>a website called mindat that you can look it up,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's just this really comprehensive database and you can

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<v Speaker 5>sorts of chemical information about the rock, there's also you

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<v Speaker 5>can look at pictures of them, and there's oftentimes pictures

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<v Speaker 5>of both what this rock looks like in sort of

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<v Speaker 5>everyday situations and then also just these beautiful pictures he's

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<v Speaker 3>So that was mindat dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>M I ndat dot org, and I just accidentally went

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<v Speaker 1>of corundum, which can be rubies and sapphires. Thanks Mindat,

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<v Speaker 5>I recommend going to a local bookstore and just seeing

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<v Speaker 5>rockhounting is a practice where you go and specifically go

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<v Speaker 5>out and field to collect rocks. Sometimes you'll have a

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<v Speaker 5>what kind of rocks are in your area, and they're

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<v Speaker 5>just going out picking them up and using your field

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<v Speaker 5>guide to trying to identify them. Because really the best

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<v Speaker 5>way to get to know the rocks and figure out

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we did have a lot of people who asked

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<v Speaker 1>about rock collecting and rock hounding, and I'll list their names. Delaney,

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<v Speaker 1>wants to know why do you think humans are fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>we like I got to announce this. Why do you

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<v Speaker 5>If I'm speaking from my own heart, it's just because

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<v Speaker 5>they're so cool, Like, it's really fun to get to

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<v Speaker 5>just be out in the environment and look down at

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<v Speaker 5>the ground and see something beautiful. So you know, whether

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<v Speaker 5>it's like a really smooth ray river pebble that you

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<v Speaker 5>can like touch and feel, and or it's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>a sort of more quartzy and more sort of gemstony

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<v Speaker 5>crystal or a geo that you can find. It's really

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<v Speaker 5>amazing to just be out in the world wherever you

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<v Speaker 5>go and find something beautiful. And I think once you

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<v Speaker 5>start to learn more about them, it's amazing to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to just go literally anywhere and pick up a

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<v Speaker 5>rock and get to know a little bit more about

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<v Speaker 5>the place they're in.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm so glad you mentioned geodes, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>On that note, Paige McLachlan Megan A, Jody Pierce, Chinett,

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<v Speaker 1>Mass McCurdy, Frederick Raymond Cursel, Harper, Thomas Delaney, Amy cray

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<v Speaker 1>all had geode questions, and they were not the only ones,

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<v Speaker 1>because I got to ask Emily Sanchez wants to know

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<v Speaker 1>what's up with geodes?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they rocks? Are they crystals?

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<v Speaker 2>Both?

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<v Speaker 1>Grace Rubbis Show wants to know. Are the amethyst geos

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<v Speaker 1>sold at museums even real?

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<v Speaker 3>What is a geode?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, a geode? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>The technical definition knops off my head, but my best

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<v Speaker 5>understanding of geodes is you have an empty cavity or

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<v Speaker 5>some kind of empty space in a rock, and usually

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<v Speaker 5>water is going to be moving through that and that's

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<v Speaker 5>going to allow crystals to grow from the outside in,

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<v Speaker 5>and so.

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<v Speaker 4>They are a rock.

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<v Speaker 5>One way to maybe go looking for them is if

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<v Speaker 5>you can understand the layers of like what rocks in general,

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<v Speaker 5>like what are the rocks in the area. A lot

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<v Speaker 5>of the times, different layers of rocks can really well documented,

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<v Speaker 5>and so you can know if you're going into the field, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>the rocks in my environment are going to be this

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<v Speaker 5>kind of rock they formed at this time, and you

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<v Speaker 5>know they have the right conditions performing geodes. But yeahs

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<v Speaker 5>they're so beautiful, getting all those crystals that are grown

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<v Speaker 5>in from the outside.

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<v Speaker 4>I just love them.

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<v Speaker 5>And a lot of the amethyst is a very common

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<v Speaker 5>form of quarts, so a lot of the times if

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<v Speaker 5>you see them being sold, there's a good chance that

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<v Speaker 5>they naturally relate that. But I do know sometimes if

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<v Speaker 5>you go to, for example, gift shop and you see

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<v Speaker 5>brightly neon colored gemstones, I'm pretty sure there are processes

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<v Speaker 5>with which you can dye minerals, so not everything you

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<v Speaker 5>can go buy in a store is going to be

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<v Speaker 5>naturally colored.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, remember how a lot of citrine points you

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<v Speaker 1>see a really heated amethyst, Well, if you never spot

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<v Speaker 1>a citrine geode in a shop, it's probably an amethyst

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<v Speaker 1>one with a little help from an oven to turn

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<v Speaker 1>it yellow, which is still amazing and beautiful. But natural

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<v Speaker 1>catrins don't usually geode. So geodes are rocks that form

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<v Speaker 1>with a pocket in them, kind of like a peda.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe it was a bubble in volcanic ash. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was a tree root or a dead prehistoric rat.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, that thing dissolves over time and water gets

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<v Speaker 1>in in the minerals in that water allow the crystalline

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<v Speaker 1>rocks to form in the empty peda pocket. Deserts are

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<v Speaker 1>a good place to find geodes, and so is Iowa,

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<v Speaker 1>a state at one point known as the geode capital

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. And this led me down a hole

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<v Speaker 1>to learn about some solid rocks that have an agate

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<v Speaker 1>in the center. And they're called rhyolite spheriolites professionally, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can also call them thunder eggs, so named by

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<v Speaker 1>some because Pacific Northwest indigenous tribes considered them to be

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<v Speaker 1>tossed around by the thunder gods. And it's Oregon state rock,

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<v Speaker 1>the thunder egg. Florida's is agatized coral, which is like

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<v Speaker 1>a thunder egg, but it's a little bit more oceanic.

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<v Speaker 1>Utah State rock coal, Okay, but Mississippi has an interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>a good state rock, which was on the minds of

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<v Speaker 1>patrons Cole Robertson, Emily Kreeger, Rachel Kendrick, and Sonya Bird zero,

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<v Speaker 1>which we're going to talk about next. But at this

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<v Speaker 1>point I was just petrified of taking up too much

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<v Speaker 1>of Schmidy's time. Sorry, we're just throwing so many quests.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm nowhere to be I love this.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Alex Suarez and so many other people want to

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<v Speaker 1>know what's up with petrified wood?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it wood? Is it rock? I need answers.

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<v Speaker 4>That's great. I love petrified wood.

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<v Speaker 5>So petrified what happens when you have wood in an

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<v Speaker 5>environment where it's been separated out from things sort of

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<v Speaker 5>like biological processes that will decay it away. And what

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<v Speaker 5>happens is as water is moving through wood, for example,

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<v Speaker 5>has been buried in sediments that were organic, structure is

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<v Speaker 5>going to be replaced with minerals. And so in the end,

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<v Speaker 5>when petrified wood, when all that are getting material has

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<v Speaker 5>been replaced with rock material, then that's become petrified wood.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Rock, although I'm d I'm a rock.

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<v Speaker 4>To my best understanding.

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<v Speaker 5>And typically once that process is complete, there's no organic

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<v Speaker 5>material left, but it's sort of it's the same process

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<v Speaker 5>by which fossils form, and so all of that original

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<v Speaker 5>material has been replaced.

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<v Speaker 4>With rock and it's preserved the structure. So petrified wood

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<v Speaker 4>is really cool.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think, you know, going back to the question

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<v Speaker 5>of collecting things, I think when it comes to collecting

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<v Speaker 5>petrified wood, probably that's something you really want to be

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<v Speaker 5>careful about, because rocks like petrified what are not the

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<v Speaker 5>most common ever, and oftentimes they can be a really

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<v Speaker 5>important scientific resource. And then there's a national either park

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<v Speaker 5>round monument that's this whole petrified forest, and that's going

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<v Speaker 5>to be somewhere where you really want to make sure

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<v Speaker 5>you're leaving you know, these beautiful rocks like petrified wood behind,

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<v Speaker 5>so that way future generations can enjoy them.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you lick petrified wood? Yeah, the same way you

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<v Speaker 1>can fossil. Will it stick to your tongue?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't believe it will stick to your tongue.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh good to know.

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<v Speaker 4>But I have a.

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<v Speaker 5>Piece of petrifriyed what I could go lick, But I

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<v Speaker 5>don't think it will.

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<v Speaker 4>Stick in my tongue.

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<v Speaker 1>Report back, let me know it will at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently tongues do not stick to petrified wood. So you

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<v Speaker 1>heard it here. Let's lick petrified wood, but let's not

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<v Speaker 1>steal it. Have a respectful look at it if you like.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe saunter over to the Petrified Forest National Park in

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<v Speaker 1>northeastern Arizona, which even has a spot called the Rainbow Forest,

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<v Speaker 1>which has what looks like tied eyed fossilized fallen trees.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're hell bent on owning petrified wood, I

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<v Speaker 1>did find in my Google adventure that for seventy nine

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<v Speaker 1>dollars plus tax, Creighton Barrel will ship you a slab

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<v Speaker 1>of petrified wood that you can use as a cheese board.

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<v Speaker 1>And I read the reviews for this item and they

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<v Speaker 1>were full of disappointment, such as quote I just received

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<v Speaker 1>this and it looks nothing like the picture. Not a

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<v Speaker 1>single grain of wood color, just pure black. I understand

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<v Speaker 1>that there are variations, it continues, but I could have

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<v Speaker 1>spray painted a block black and it would look like

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<v Speaker 1>this end quote. So you know, human beings, we purchase

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<v Speaker 1>a slab of fucking majestic fossilized wood just for the

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of serving cheese. We have it shipped to our doorstep,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's never good enough. And I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>we're the worst species.

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<v Speaker 3>But and a.

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<v Speaker 1>Reminder that if you own cool stuff that is in

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<v Speaker 1>limited supply on Earth that takes millions of years to form,

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<v Speaker 1>specify in your will who gets it when you die.

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<v Speaker 1>Write it on a post it note somewhere. Avoid it

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<v Speaker 1>going in a landfill.

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<v Speaker 3>You can do it. It's not that hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, speaking of easy Street, A bunch of you wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in with a similar question, looking at you first time

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<v Speaker 1>question asker Corey, Francis Parks, Maria Delgado Gomez, Lori Fishman,

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<v Speaker 1>and Carson. A lot of people mentioned this phrase that

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<v Speaker 1>I had never heard, uh, eric A Storvik, first time

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<v Speaker 1>question asker, So naturally they had a few, but they said,

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<v Speaker 1>why is rocks for jocks a thing? I had never

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<v Speaker 1>heard this term before? Is this what people call like

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<v Speaker 1>intro to geology class?

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<v Speaker 5>What is that that's actually really interesting? I hadn't had

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<v Speaker 5>heard that term until a couple of months ago. And

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<v Speaker 5>my best understanding is in some environments, especially introductory level

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<v Speaker 5>geology classes are seen as just not rigorous or not

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<v Speaker 5>enjoyable or not important.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dare you?

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that is really It makes me really sad,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think it's kind of dangerous because learning about

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<v Speaker 5>Earth's science is really important for not only being able

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<v Speaker 5>to appreciate the world around us, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>what's happening in today's society, whether it's about climate change

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<v Speaker 5>or natural resources, mining, deforestation, understanding a lot of what's

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<v Speaker 5>going on today, it's really important to have the geologic

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<v Speaker 5>context for it. And you know, I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 5>not that everyone needs to go become a geologist, but

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<v Speaker 5>you know, having environments where people can go learn about

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<v Speaker 5>Earth's science in a way that leaves them with an

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<v Speaker 5>appreciation for it, I think is really really important.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it also seems hard. It seems like a hard field.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not.

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<v Speaker 5>I really don't think geology is any more or less

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<v Speaker 5>rigorous than physics or sociology or psychology. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's its own science and its own complexities, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>really interdisctionary. It is at the edge of a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of fields, and it's really deeply painful to see geology

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<v Speaker 5>look down. It's what I do for work, and I

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<v Speaker 5>love it dearly, and I think it just it deserves

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<v Speaker 5>as much a place as any other science in the

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<v Speaker 5>public understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Because context is everything. And after listening to Schmidty's love

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<v Speaker 1>of rocks, will you ever see a rock the same?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you will not. Okay, so on more questions

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<v Speaker 1>out more about their mission to bring scientists into classrooms

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<v Speaker 1>and other gatherings at skypascientists dot com. We'll also throw

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<v Speaker 1>open database of minerals, rocks, and meteorites and the localities

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<v Speaker 1>they come from. So mindt dot org is run by

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes. Those donations were made possible by

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<v Speaker 1>sponsors of the show. Thank you very much. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get back to a very popular question. Ann Barnes, Lizziemarginetta Sword, Geo,

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<v Speaker 1>Sassy Lee t Dave Schuster, Anna Thompson, Nancy K. Clark, Cassafrass,

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah Matussek, Haleeboprix, Claire Irvine, Mocasey Sidney, Gina Woolsey, Michelle Dempsey,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Thompson, Abby Cox, r Gip seventeen, Jimmy Kishimoto, and

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<v Speaker 1>Kelsey all asked about seeing geological formations, including patron Geochrissy,

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<v Speaker 1>who wrote, from one geologist to another, I tell people

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<v Speaker 1>I have a high visibility vest in my car for

636
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<v Speaker 1>changing car tires, but is really for stopping at road

637
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<v Speaker 1>cuttings to take a look. So overall, where should a

638
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<v Speaker 1>person go to see some cool ass rocks?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Wait, gosh, I have so many questions for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh this is great.

641
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, let's talk rock spotting, because there's so many

642
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<v Speaker 1>times on the side of the road where you're like,

643
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<v Speaker 1>why is that side of the road striped?

644
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<v Speaker 3>What am I not knowing as I pass this?

645
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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to rock spotting, what are some monuments

646
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<v Speaker 1>that people might be familiar with or should be familiar with,

647
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 1>and what are they seeing if you're in Moab or something,

648
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.559
<v Speaker 1>or you're driving past the Grand Canyon, or are there

649
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<v Speaker 1>places that we can put geology in our heads just

650
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<v Speaker 1>by looking out the window.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So one basic thing that almost anyone can do is

653
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:56.000
<v Speaker 5>when you're passing by road cut and you relate the layers.

654
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<v Speaker 5>So I think the idea of things forming in layers

655
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<v Speaker 5>is really fun mental to a lot of science, and

656
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<v Speaker 5>it's very very very fundamental to a lot of geology.

657
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<v Speaker 5>One thing anyone can do is if you pass by

658
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<v Speaker 5>a road cut, you can look at the layers of

659
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<v Speaker 5>rock and if the layers are flat, you know that

660
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<v Speaker 5>they're still in the way that they formed, because when

661
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<v Speaker 5>rocks form, they form in flat layers, and it's always

662
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<v Speaker 5>that the newest rocks are the ones on top, so

663
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<v Speaker 5>you're always going younger as you go up and older

664
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<v Speaker 5>as you go down, and that a lot of the times,

665
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<v Speaker 5>if you're passing a road cut and so you see

666
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<v Speaker 5>the layers are tilted or folded some way, you know

667
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<v Speaker 5>that that whole section of rock has somehow been lifted up,

668
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<v Speaker 5>either as the techtonic plates are moving around and as

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<v Speaker 5>mountains are being built. Sometimes you can see road cuts

670
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<v Speaker 5>where rocks have been folded, so that means that they've

671
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<v Speaker 5>been uplifted and they've been squished around, or a solid

672
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.039
<v Speaker 5>rock that you can go put your hand on has

673
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 5>moved around in such a bendy way. So yeah, even

674
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<v Speaker 5>just by looking at like the way that the rock

675
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 5>layers are tilted in a road cut, you can tell

676
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<v Speaker 5>something about the history of that place.

677
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, for more on this, we need a geomorphology episode,

678
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and I need to find a geomorphologist. So I'm just

679
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<v Speaker 1>going to ask anyone pulled over on the side of

680
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<v Speaker 1>the road staring at a hill. Do geologists do a

681
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<v Speaker 1>lot of their work in sites that have already been

682
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<v Speaker 1>excavated for industry or what does a geologist job kind

683
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<v Speaker 1>of look like?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that does happen. There's a lot of jolly that

685
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<v Speaker 5>goes on. For example, there's a lot that goes on

686
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.519
<v Speaker 5>the National State parks in which anywhere you get exposed

687
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.599
<v Speaker 5>rocks you can do geology, and that definitely includes mine areas.

688
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<v Speaker 5>So I know, for one of the sites that I

689
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<v Speaker 5>use for my PhD work is the site where we

690
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<v Speaker 5>had these old corals exposed that formed eighty thousand years ago.

691
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<v Speaker 5>And when I was sort of updating myself in the literature,

692
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<v Speaker 5>I found a reference that like, oh, this site was

693
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<v Speaker 5>mapped ten years ago, but it's flooded now. Can't go

694
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<v Speaker 5>back there because of industrial stuff.

695
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<v Speaker 3>Bumma.

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<v Speaker 5>I think any way that rocks get exposed is there's

697
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<v Speaker 5>going to be someone out there who wants to study them.

698
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<v Speaker 5>And road cuts again our really unique way because oftentimes

699
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<v Speaker 5>you can't necessarily study what's going on in a hill

700
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<v Speaker 5>because it's a hill.

701
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<v Speaker 4>It's hard to.

702
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.079
<v Speaker 5>Dig straight down into bed rock. But when you get

703
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.519
<v Speaker 5>a road cut coming through, that's a really unique opportunity.

704
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<v Speaker 5>To get to see the interior structure of the crust exposed.

705
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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been looking at a road cut and

706
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:18.480
<v Speaker 1>saw something that shocked you.

707
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<v Speaker 5>Actually, one of the rocks I brought with me today

708
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<v Speaker 5>I can describe it is I've picked it up at

709
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.679
<v Speaker 5>a road cut. And there's a classification scale of rocks

710
00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:29.920
<v Speaker 5>and one of igneous rocks, and one of the categories

711
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.239
<v Speaker 5>is called an ultramafic rock, which means it's really high

712
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 5>in iron and magnesium. And it means ultramafic rocks are

713
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<v Speaker 5>typically rocks where the composition is really really close to

714
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<v Speaker 5>what they were when they're deep in the Earth's mantle,

715
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<v Speaker 5>so like, you know, hundreds of kilometers beneath the surface

716
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<v Speaker 5>of the Earth. And one of my favorite rocks is

717
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 5>called an enstetite pretotite, which just means it's just like

718
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.559
<v Speaker 5>this really dense, beautiful bronze colored rocks, these huge square

719
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:59.039
<v Speaker 5>crystals in it. And this rock again was pretty much

720
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.599
<v Speaker 5>very similar composition to what's deep and like you can

721
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:04.599
<v Speaker 5>look down right now, it's deep below the surface of

722
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:06.239
<v Speaker 5>the Earth. And I found this rock at the top

723
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.519
<v Speaker 5>of a mountain, had no business being there. What how

724
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.519
<v Speaker 5>this rock? You know, this blob of magma cooled in

725
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.760
<v Speaker 5>the crust, and eventually, over millions of years, it got

726
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:18.840
<v Speaker 5>lifted up and excavated and lifted up on the top

727
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<v Speaker 5>of the Big Horn Mountains of Wyoming. And so it's

728
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<v Speaker 5>really it's just really amazing to me getting to look

729
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:24.519
<v Speaker 5>at this rock and say, like, you formed under the

730
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:26.119
<v Speaker 5>strip of the earth and I found you, not like

731
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:28.840
<v Speaker 5>eight thousand feet above sea level. You'll have no business

732
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 5>being there, how, It's just it's so fun.

733
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<v Speaker 4>Love it dearly.

734
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<v Speaker 1>Is there anyway someone had that in their pocket and

735
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 1>brought it to the top of the mountain on purpose?

736
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 4>No, this was part of a like forty foot tall

737
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:41.960
<v Speaker 4>cliff of this stuff.

738
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, then probably no one had that in there.

739
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:46.239
<v Speaker 4>Probably not.

740
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.480
<v Speaker 5>I have heard of people pranking geologists by with somewhere

741
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.239
<v Speaker 5>on the internet, by bringing a rock from somewhere else

742
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 5>with them and saying like, hey, I found this, And

743
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 5>no one's ever done that to me. And I don't

744
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:59.000
<v Speaker 5>know if I'd catch it, But put that idea out

745
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:00.280
<v Speaker 5>there for anyone who wants to meet some of the

746
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:01.159
<v Speaker 5>geologist friends.

747
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:05.119
<v Speaker 3>Apparently, it's all it takes us some chocolate pebbles.

748
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.719
<v Speaker 5>Exactly, some chocolate pebbles exactly. That's a great way to

749
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.159
<v Speaker 5>prank them because a snack at the end.

750
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, what about rock names?

751
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Bexwood Drifts wants to know what are the most ridiculous

752
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>rock names? Katie King also had this question, and patron

753
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:24.559
<v Speaker 1>V E. Griffith divulged their favorite was coming tonight, and

754
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Batman Flight asked if coming tonight was the best name

755
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 1>of all geological terms. Simon Bona Steele said, I look

756
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<v Speaker 1>forward to your podcast. I wish it was coming tonight.

757
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Isn't dropping tonight? But what about names of things? Who

758
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 1>are rocks named after? How do they get these names?

759
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:45.599
<v Speaker 1>What ends in an eight versus a night?

760
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<v Speaker 5>Yes, so a lot of rocks, the recent ones, has

761
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 5>been named by scientists who discovered them. A lot of

762
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.159
<v Speaker 5>names have been what's called grandfather dame, which means they're

763
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.920
<v Speaker 5>just sort of names and popular use. And when jeologists

764
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:56.960
<v Speaker 5>sat down to like make forcial guidelines on what these

765
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.159
<v Speaker 5>rocks are called, they're like, well, this is what everyone

766
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:02.320
<v Speaker 5>calls it, so call But my personal favorite rock name

767
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 5>is a classic. It's nice, So it's spelled g N

768
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 5>E I S S and it's pronounced nice. There's a

769
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:13.039
<v Speaker 5>lot of really great geology puns. Geology is rife with puns,

770
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:14.480
<v Speaker 5>and my personal I used to do the same.

771
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:15.320
<v Speaker 4>People hated it.

772
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.559
<v Speaker 5>Where I carried this piece of nice around with me

773
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:23.280
<v Speaker 5>and anytime I say we say lots something nice, I

774
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.840
<v Speaker 5>would whip it out of my pocket and say that's

775
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:31.880
<v Speaker 5>pretty nice. The other one is there's a metamorphic rock

776
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:35.239
<v Speaker 5>called schist s C H I S T, and that's

777
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 5>also rife for puns, and I deeply appreciate anytime someone

778
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:40.079
<v Speaker 5>makes a geology.

779
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:40.280
<v Speaker 4>Pun around me.

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<v Speaker 1>Many patrons, including Paul Smith, Amy and Ramatsu, Lee Anderson,

781
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:48.880
<v Speaker 1>specs Al, Robin Stumbo, Jacqueline Iwanitia, Laura Springer, Amy, Jane Joyed,

782
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Gwen Kelly, and Diana Teeter wanted to know if Schmidty

783
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:53.719
<v Speaker 1>enjoys geology puns.

784
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:54.480
<v Speaker 3>Great question.

785
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, your questions keep getting bolder and it really

786
00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:58.880
<v Speaker 1>helps me cobble together.

787
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 3>In interview, you're all gems.

788
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of things at end, and I let's talk about

789
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.519
<v Speaker 1>one type of rock your favorite.

790
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:07.880
<v Speaker 4>My favorite?

791
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:08.000
<v Speaker 5>Right?

792
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 4>Okay?

793
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, what is your favorite? So many people I'm going

794
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:13.760
<v Speaker 1>to say their name is so fast and and aside,

795
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Amanda Spinosa, Hannah Riley Shelby, Smith, Rebecca fitch At, Jody Pierce, Truman,

796
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<v Speaker 1>Szil Bubbery, Kaylee Dyer, Delaney Becks, Myrus Mantov, Kendall Hargas,

797
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Ariel Beck, Julia Fisher, Simon Bonisteel, Meghan Weidell. Need to

798
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 1>know Schmidty, you're a geologist. We love you. You love rocks.

799
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>What rocks do you love the most?

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<v Speaker 4>Awesome?

801
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.159
<v Speaker 5>Okay, there's a few ways to answer that question. So

802
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 5>probably my favorite individual rock that I own that I

803
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 5>have with me is a piece of nice Nice. So

804
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 5>it's just like this beautiful smooth rock with layered white

805
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.239
<v Speaker 5>crystals and sort of like white iron and nineties imrige

806
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.679
<v Speaker 5>crystals and then lighter quartz rich crystals on it. And

807
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:58.039
<v Speaker 5>this rock it's really fun because this specific rock is

808
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.239
<v Speaker 5>a long history, so it forms is a diary deep

809
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.719
<v Speaker 5>beneath the surface of the Earth. So this magma moved

810
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:04.920
<v Speaker 5>up through the crust and crystal spell out of it

811
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:09.039
<v Speaker 5>eventually cooled, and then that diarye got put under intense

812
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.400
<v Speaker 5>heat and pressure and all these crystals rearranged themselves into

813
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.679
<v Speaker 5>stripy layers and became a nice and then eventually this

814
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 5>rock somewhere in the northern part of North America was

815
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:24.039
<v Speaker 5>at the surface of the Earth and a glacier. So

816
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 5>one of the ice sheets that used to cover North

817
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 5>America picked it up and brought it to northern Wisconsin,

818
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 5>where I found it. Because where I picked this rock

819
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.159
<v Speaker 5>in northern Responsin it could not have come from around here,

820
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:36.199
<v Speaker 5>So the only way it got there is if it

821
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.159
<v Speaker 5>has been brought there by a glacier. So it's very

822
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:40.719
<v Speaker 5>personally near and dear to me because it tells a

823
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.480
<v Speaker 5>long history not only about the planet, but also about

824
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.639
<v Speaker 5>the amazing ice sheets that have shaped so much of

825
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:47.039
<v Speaker 5>the North American landscape.

826
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<v Speaker 1>SCHMIDI was holding up a round, flatish rock about palm

827
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:54.519
<v Speaker 1>sized that had a dark top and bottom with what

828
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>looks like a crystallized white wafer smashed between and nice

829
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 1>can have nice banded texture. I can see why this

830
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 1>one is pocketworthy.

831
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 4>So I think that's my personal favorite.

832
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.519
<v Speaker 3>That's your personal favorite. Do you name rocks or no?

833
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:13.360
<v Speaker 4>I don't name rocks. I think they already have names.

834
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:15.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's already got such a nice name.

835
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.400
<v Speaker 4>Also exactly it does have a nice name.

836
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.320
<v Speaker 3>Good. But it also one looks like a whoope pie.

837
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:21.880
<v Speaker 3>It definitely looks.

838
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.119
<v Speaker 5>Edible and it's also it's I have a few rocks

839
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 5>all carry around with me just as sort of like

840
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.360
<v Speaker 5>something to you know, something to fidget with. Like rocks

841
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:30.840
<v Speaker 5>can be really great sort of things to carry with

842
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:32.440
<v Speaker 5>you because they're really dense, so they have a nice

843
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:34.400
<v Speaker 5>weight to them. And this one has just like a

844
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 5>perfect little indent that I can rep my thumb against.

845
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<v Speaker 1>When you go to different parts of the world where

846
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<v Speaker 1>they have dry stacked walls rock walls, do you always

847
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<v Speaker 1>have to stop and look at those two?

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<v Speaker 4>Always?

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<v Speaker 5>Anytime I see a rock in a wall or on

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<v Speaker 5>the ground, I'm a terror walking through you neighborhood because

851
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh, that's a cool rock and someone's rock

852
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<v Speaker 5>wall and person house is probably like, why are you

853
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<v Speaker 5>paying attention to my garden wall?

854
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:56.559
<v Speaker 3>What about something that sucks?

855
00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Something must suck about rocks, some's gotta suck s made

856
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<v Speaker 1>come on?

857
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:03.119
<v Speaker 3>Or about being a geologist.

858
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 5>Slightly left turn. But something that I think has very

859
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<v Speaker 5>much plagues me in my science journey is something that

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<v Speaker 5>I know a lot of people deal with in science,

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<v Speaker 5>which is imposter syndrome. So especially when you're sort of

862
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 5>a younger scientist in training, I feel like a lot

863
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 5>of people struggle with a feeling that like, I don't

864
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 5>belong here, they're going to find out any data. I

865
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:23.679
<v Speaker 5>don't belong here, They're going to kick me out. And

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00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.440
<v Speaker 5>I think, you know, a lot of people experience it

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<v Speaker 5>and a lot of people talk about it, and so

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00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 5>I definitely struggle with it myself of feeling like, no,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not smart enough, I don't know enough about this

870
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 5>material to be talking to you today. I don't belong here,

871
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 5>and it's that can be really hard and painful to

872
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 5>deal with, and having an amazing community of other scientists

873
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:44.519
<v Speaker 5>and friends around you can really help with it. But

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00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:48.199
<v Speaker 5>I think that's something that we need to acknowledge because

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00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.280
<v Speaker 5>it's a really deeply painful thing to deal with, because

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<v Speaker 5>that's the worst thing I can think of.

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00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:54.800
<v Speaker 4>I can't really think of anything bad about rocks.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a serious side note.

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<v Speaker 1>Geosciences haven't always been the most inclusive of field and

880
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 1>a twenty twenty study published in Nature Barriers to field

881
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<v Speaker 1>work in undergraduate geoscience degrees, stated that these barriers are

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<v Speaker 1>especially felt by disabled students and those from racial and

883
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<v Speaker 1>ethnic minorities, all of whom are critically underrepresented in the discipline.

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<v Speaker 1>And other historically excluded minorities in geosciences have pointed to

885
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>concerns about being targeted doing field work, a safety issue

886
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>that was highlighted in twenty twenty when Christian Cooper, a blackbirder,

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00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 1>was targeted and threatened in Central Park. There are also

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00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.760
<v Speaker 1>physical barriers for some sexual harassment at field sites have

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00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>been reported and locations that are less than friendly to

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00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ folks. So Schmidty says that finding community is especially

891
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:48.000
<v Speaker 1>important and pointed to organizations like Urge on Learning Racism

892
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:51.760
<v Speaker 1>in Geoscience, which is working to help geoscientists on learn

893
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>racism and improve accessibility, justice, equity, and inclusion in the discipline,

894
00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.400
<v Speaker 1>which is so needed. And if you're part of a

895
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:03.559
<v Speaker 1>historically excluded group, finding a mentor can also be key.

896
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>It seems like all the wrong people have imposter syndrome.

897
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Like if you have imposter syndrome, chances.

898
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Are you belong there more than anyone. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>More to think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>What about your favorite thing about geology or about rocks?

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<v Speaker 5>I think my favorite thing is is what we're doing

902
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.719
<v Speaker 5>today is talking to people about geology in the world

903
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 5>around us, because you know, I can spend all my

904
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.000
<v Speaker 5>time as a graduate student, time as an undergraduate learning

905
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.840
<v Speaker 5>all these amazing things about the earth and being excited

906
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.320
<v Speaker 5>about it on my own, but getting to share that

907
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.400
<v Speaker 5>with other people and see other people from all walks

908
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:41.480
<v Speaker 5>of life get excited about geology is the most fun thing.

909
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.639
<v Speaker 5>So it's really fun going out and telling people I'm

910
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.159
<v Speaker 5>a geologist because a lot of people, you know, whether

911
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:49.360
<v Speaker 5>they're a little kid, they're a grandparent, a lot of

912
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 5>people are like, oh my gosh, that's so exciting, and

913
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.639
<v Speaker 5>they'll ask me questions. Or for example, getting to volunteer

914
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:57.599
<v Speaker 5>with organizations like skype a scientists. You know, a lot

915
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 5>of people are really interested in this stuff, but they

916
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.840
<v Speaker 5>may never have had an opportunity to get to talk

917
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<v Speaker 5>with geologists or getting to take a geology class, and

918
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.519
<v Speaker 5>just yeah, getting to share all this, all these amazing

919
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:10.480
<v Speaker 5>stories about how the world around us works. Getting to

920
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.440
<v Speaker 5>share that with people is just the most fun thing

921
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<v Speaker 5>I can think of.

922
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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any advice for someone who thinks they

923
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<v Speaker 1>want to be a geologist or a type of geology

924
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:20.599
<v Speaker 1>field where they need more people.

925
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think if you want to be a geologist,

926
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<v Speaker 5>if you're going to college, there's a lot of like

927
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 5>connect with their geology department. I think the best advice

928
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.199
<v Speaker 5>I could give is talk to people. If there's other

929
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:33.039
<v Speaker 5>students studying geology, talk to them, see what classes they're taking,

930
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, see if there's any field experience as clubs

931
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 5>you can join, if there's faculty members that are available,

932
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 5>reach out to them and let them know that you're

933
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:42.079
<v Speaker 5>passionate about this and you want to learn more. I

934
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.440
<v Speaker 5>think making personal connections in the field is something that

935
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:50.239
<v Speaker 5>is really helpful for both getting advice, getting mentorship, figuring out,

936
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.559
<v Speaker 5>you know, where's the right way for me to go. Yeah,

937
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:54.320
<v Speaker 5>I think just talking with people in the field, because

938
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<v Speaker 5>a lot of us are really you know, we love

939
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 5>what we do and we're really excited to talk about

940
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<v Speaker 5>that and get to share that with people.

941
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<v Speaker 3>This has been a joy.

942
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<v Speaker 2>Everyone loves you and I understand why.

943
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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

944
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<v Speaker 5>I admit I I was kind of nervous, but I'm

945
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<v Speaker 5>a lot of fun.

946
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:13.079
<v Speaker 2>You rocked.

947
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 4>Let's see you're picking up already.

948
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<v Speaker 3>So as per usual, ask smart people, not smart questions

949
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.559
<v Speaker 3>such as what the fuck is of rock? Because they

950
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:24.840
<v Speaker 3>love it and they will love telling you. And Schmidty

951
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<v Speaker 3>is not on social media because they are smarter than us.

952
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<v Speaker 3>But we're at Aliward On Instagram and Twitter, We're at

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<v Speaker 3>ologies on both. There are links write in the show

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<v Speaker 3>notes to the charities we supported this week, mindt dot

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<v Speaker 3>org and Skype as scientists. There are tons of links

956
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<v Speaker 3>up on my website at aliward dot com slash ologies,

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<v Speaker 3>slash Geology, as well as links to other episodes. You

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<v Speaker 3>might like that we mentioned smologies, our kid friendly shorter

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961
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<v Speaker 3>Thank you Susan Hale for handling that so much more.

964
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.239
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965
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966
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<v Speaker 1>Dwyer does the website. Nick Thorburn wrote and performed the

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<v Speaker 1>theme music, and the lead editor who puts all the

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<v Speaker 1>you stick around to the end of the episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you a secret. And this week's secret is that

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<v Speaker 1>a few weeks ago, I divulged that I had given

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<v Speaker 1>my dad a haircut while he was in hospice before

979
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<v Speaker 1>he passed away, and I saved a lock of hair.

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<v Speaker 1>And I happened to go to Disneyland and I decided

981
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<v Speaker 1>to drop a few strands off at the lawn in

982
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<v Speaker 1>the front entrance. I don't know why. It just it

983
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<v Speaker 1>seemed like a cosmically fun place to people watch and

984
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.400
<v Speaker 1>it was just sweet. No, it was there and was

985
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.639
<v Speaker 1>going to turn into a worm and a bird or something. Anyway,

986
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<v Speaker 1>that was in mid August. I went back to Disneyland

987
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:14.760
<v Speaker 1>two days ago, and y'all, the lawn changed. That lawn

988
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<v Speaker 1>is different for the first time in fifty years. They

989
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<v Speaker 1>changed the lawn at the gates of Disneyland, and it's

990
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<v Speaker 1>astro turf now to save water. For the first time

991
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<v Speaker 1>in fifty years. So I'm considering that some sort of

992
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.599
<v Speaker 1>practical joke from an astral plane from my dad, because

993
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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he would laugh at that truly, of

994
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:37.920
<v Speaker 1>all the places. Two weeks later, anyway, hilarious, Dad could win. Okay,

995
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 1>go have fun today.

996
00:47:39.159 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>All right, you deserve it. I say so bye, bye, Up.

997
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<v Speaker 3>I'm You're rock.

998
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<v Speaker 5>You're my rock.
