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The the handsome, wealthy doctor and his 35 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:01.359 beautiful young paramour planned to kill his glamorous socialite wife, 36 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:06.840 or did the gun accidentally discharged as he claimed. Early 37 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.840 in the evening on July eighteenth, nineteen fifty nine, doctor 38 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:14.680 Bernard Finch and his girlfriend Carol Anne Tregoff drove from 39 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:17.520 their Las Vegas love nest to the Finch home in 40 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:20.639 the Los Angeles suburb of West Cavina to speak to 41 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:24.000 his wife, Barbara about obtaining a speedy divorce in Nevada. 42 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.000 But the plan went awry and the conversation turned deadly, 43 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.120 with Barbara's lifeless body ending up in her in law's 44 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:32.400 backyard next door. 45 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:36.879 After a high speed chase with police, Finch was arrested 46 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:41.560 the next morning in Las Vegas and charged with Barbara's murder. Then, 47 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:45.159 during his court hearing in West Cavina, Carol was arrested 48 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:49.680 on the witness stand and charged as his accomplice. Soon 49 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.000 others were named as part of a larger conspiracy. But 50 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.599 who were they and what parts did they play in 51 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:00.479 these deadly events set against the mid century CinemaScope glamour 52 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:05.319 of Hollywood, Las Vegas and Palm Springs. Satin Pumps, The 53 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:08.759 Moonlit Murder That Mesmerized the Nation is a true crime 54 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:14.120 memoir written by former Finch patient, screenwriter and author Steve Koseref. 55 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:17.680 The book that we're featuring this evening is Satin Pumps, 56 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:21.639 The Moonlit Murders That Mesmerize the Nation, with my special guest, 57 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:26.000 screenwriter and author Steve Kosaref. Welcome to the program, and 58 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:30.840 thank you very much for this interview. Steve Koseref, Hi. 59 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:32.439 Dan, thank you, it's my pleasure to be here. 60 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:36.240 I hope that's the proper pronunciation of your name. I 61 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:41.000 didn't check in your hands, so it's sponsor ref Ah. Okay, 62 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:46.879 there we go by, thank you, thank you. Let's I 63 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.400 want to ask you how you came to this story, 64 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.439 what the how you came to want to write this 65 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:57.439 story in your connection to this case and this story. 66 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.919 Well, doctor Finch was our family doc, or he actually 67 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:05.479 delivered me, and up until the time, well just about 68 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:11.639 nine months before the murder, he remained our family doctor. 69 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:15.520 And we'll talk about later why even prior to the 70 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:19.079 murder he was no longer a family doctor. But for 71 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:22.000 several years I had been thinking about writing a book. 72 00:04:22.079 --> 00:04:23.879 It popping out of my mind, and then I'd go 73 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:27.160 on to other things. And the way this came about 74 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:32.879 is I found out a friend was friends with one 75 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:37.480 of the producers, former producers of Law and Order, and god, 76 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:39.240 I thought, well, here's my break. You know, I'm going 77 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:41.160 to be able to write something and get it died 78 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:46.040 maybe it'll get made. And so I actually started writing. 79 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.879 I found about three ideas, and I thought satin pumps 80 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:53.959 would be the most commercial. So I started writing it 81 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.560 as a treatment for ten to twelve episode limited series, 82 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.120 and you know, got it together, gave it to my friend, 83 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.439 he delivered it, and that's about as far as it 84 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:10.680 got the producer had other parts of his own. He 85 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:12.600 went on too, and I thought, you know, I spent 86 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.120 all this time researching this and developing it. I said, 87 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.879 I think there's a book in here. So I went 88 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:22.160 back and started to shape it as a book to 89 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:25.000 do a lot more in depth character study. I actually 90 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:30.160 got into genealogical research, which was a gold mine because 91 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.240 it actually gave me material and background as to why 92 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:37.240 the characters did what they did. And it was very 93 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:39.879 helpful going into that, and so I was able to 94 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:43.759 cover areas in the book and get into detail that 95 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:46.680 you never could in a limited television series. 96 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:53.000 You also gained access to Los Angeles Police Department or 97 00:05:53.319 --> 00:06:00.279 apartment LA District Attorneys records. Maybe correct me about that. 98 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.920 Yeah, I had. You know, I had a lot. I 99 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:07.399 did a lot of research in newspaper archives. I actually 100 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.199 there were four major newspaper archives that I went through. 101 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:14.560 And yet I wanted to get into the District Attorney's 102 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.680 records about this, and actually the trial transcripts, and I 103 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:24.040 had been misled to think that, you know, the court, 104 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:27.360 Los Angeles Superior Court actually had these, and I went 105 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.879 there downtown and went into their sort of their Dungeon 106 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:35.040 to find out where they were, and they they had 107 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:37.759 no record of these. They couldn't find even a case 108 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:41.480 file number, which is just really bizarre because this was 109 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:46.360 a major criminal trial that lasted, you know, over eighteen months. 110 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.839 So I started to do a little more research and 111 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:52.959 I thought, I'm going to try the District Attorney's office. 112 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:56.480 And I don't really have easy access even on the 113 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:58.399 Internet to it. And I found some sort of back 114 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:00.879 channel I don't even remember how on the internet, and 115 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.560 this is you know, detective work, and I sent off 116 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:07.399 a note and finally, after some doing, I got a 117 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:11.639 response and they had to search for the files themselves, 118 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.959 but they actually located them. They were in an archive 119 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:21.079 holding storage facility somewhere in the San Fernando Valley, so 120 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:25.000 they pulled them, but they gave me limited access to them. 121 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.560 I had like and it was very specific, you know, 122 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.040 I had like so many hours a day. They had 123 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.040 somebody there, I guess to make sure that I wouldn't 124 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:36.920 pocket the transcripts, and so I did have access, not 125 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:39.399 as much as I wanted, but I was able to 126 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.480 confirm some things by the access. 127 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:47.000 Now let's start, as you do in the book, very 128 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:53.639 exciting cinematic scene here West Covina, California, July nineteenth, nineteen 129 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:59.439 fifty nine, in the San Gabriel Valley, Bernard Finch, doctor 130 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:05.839 Bernard is running away from police. And you meanwhile saying, 131 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:10.319 at that time, young boy, six and a half miles away, 132 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:16.480 you were in Charter Oak. As you do described a scene, 133 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:21.399 doctor Bernard Finch is running away from police. 134 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:29.279 He's running down the hill from his home across the 135 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:32.159 South Hills Country Club where he played tennis with his 136 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:35.480 wife Barbara, and there were still some orange groves that 137 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:38.480 were left at the time. And as he's running through 138 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:42.279 that area, he ends up into the orange groves trying 139 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:46.360 to escape, and he starts tripping and actually ends up 140 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.159 on his back at one point, but he gathers himself 141 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:52.480 finally and continues on this run. And he ends up 142 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:58.240 across the street at a neighbor's home, and there spots 143 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.559 a car, and as many people did in the nineteen fifties, 144 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.080 they left their cars unlocked, and not only that, they 145 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:06.600 left the keys in the ignition. So he gets the 146 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:11.000 bar and he steals it and he starts driving and 147 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:14.120 he ends up in lat twenty And I'm thinking that 148 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:16.360 in his state of mind, he thought he was going 149 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.799 to pick up Carol Tregoff, his girlfriend, at her home 150 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.759 with her former husband, but she was no longer living 151 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.080 there and she had actually moved to Las Vegas prior 152 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:32.320 to this occurring. So he ends up in a lat 153 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:36.919 pwenty neighborhood, ditches the one car and then steals another 154 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:43.399 same case doors unlocked the keys in the ignition, and unfortunately, 155 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:47.200 when he dumps the first car, he blocks the driveway 156 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.840 of a policeman who is going to work morning, so 157 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:54.000 he calls the police you know, give him the car 158 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.519 and finds out the car has been stolen. So Finch 159 00:09:57.559 --> 00:09:59.279 at this point in the second car is headed to 160 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:02.720 the West co Medical Clinic and as he's spend some 161 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:05.799 time there, as he pulls out of the driveway, the 162 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:08.159 police at this point have been notified about him and 163 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.919 a patrol car spots him and they give chase and 164 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.279 he jumps on the Sam Brandino Freeway headed towards Los Angeles, 165 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:19.679 which is about twenty miles away, and at this point 166 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:23.159 eventually there are twenty patrol cars that are speeding after him, 167 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:26.879 and somehow he manages to elude them, gets off the 168 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:29.799 freeway and switches back and heads back in the other direction, 169 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:32.720 but the police don't know that. They come across what 170 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:35.480 they think is the same nineteen fifty five cadillec they've 171 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.440 been chasing. They run this car off the road. The 172 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:41.840 car spins around in an the median gravel strip. They 173 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:45.360 run towards the car, gun's drawn and one officer flings 174 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.440 the door open and there's an elderly woman sitting in 175 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:53.240 the driver's seat. So obviously they didn't catch Finch, who 176 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:58.200 by now is halfway to Las Vegas. And that's how 177 00:10:58.240 --> 00:10:59.519 that scene ends in the book. 178 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:05.759 Right now, you go to telling us about Barbara Finch 179 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:08.960 that was thirty six years old at the time of 180 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:15.600 her death. Tell us about the situation with their marriage 181 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:18.559 and when they were married, and also just the situation 182 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.679 throughout this marriage and where they were at that point 183 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:27.279 in when Barbara was thirty six years old fifty. 184 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:34.080 Yeah, Barbara was very beautiful, very bright, very smart, well liked. 185 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.840 She had been a patient of Finches, and in fact 186 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:44.600 he delivered her first child, her daughter, Patty Dee, and 187 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.399 she ended up she was sort of in a marriage 188 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:52.039 that wasn't going anywhere as far as she was concerned. 189 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.559 She her family at one time had had some money 190 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:58.240 and I think she missed, you know, all that came 191 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:02.159 with being wealthy. She was married to an autumn mechanic 192 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:05.200 and living in Baldwin Park, which was kind of a 193 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:09.120 dead in town in the eastern San Gabriel Valley. And 194 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.759 here she meets Finch. You know, he's wealthy, he's handsome, 195 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:20.360 he's charming, and shortly after her baby's delivered, she ends 196 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:24.600 up working for him as a medical assistant. And Finch 197 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.399 had a habit at this point, but it's not so 198 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:32.720 much known as it was later that you know, he 199 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:36.120 was attracted to the ladies and he had no problem 200 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:39.240 with having extramarital affairs. Finch was married at this time 201 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:42.799 his first wife, Francs, and had three children by her. 202 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:47.919 Barbara and her husband were living in Baldwin Park and 203 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:53.919 somehow they Finch and Barbara orchestrated it. And I don't know, 204 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.279 this is just really bizarre. Orchestrated Finch and his wife 205 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.279 and children moving next door to Barbara and her husband 206 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.600 involved in park. Right, so now they're literally physically close, 207 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:10.799 if not you know, romantically involved, and eventually, you know, 208 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.559 the hours that she works with Finch. They turned into 209 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.759 late nights and you know, her husband in Finch's wife, Francis, 210 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:21.639 had to be wondering, you know, what's going on, and 211 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:27.039 they became involved, and eventually they wanted to get married, 212 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:33.639 and so you know, I'm sure Barbara's husband, Lyle at 213 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.480 the time, wanted to put a stop to it, and 214 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:40.080 you know, his threat was that he was going to 215 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:43.879 take their daughter away. And Barbara wanted out of this 216 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.159 marriage so badly that she was willing to make that 217 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:49.759 deal to give up her parental rights at that point 218 00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:53.720 to her two year old daughter. So she and Finch 219 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.200 ended up getting married in Las Vegas, near close to 220 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:03.080 Christmas Eve, and they at that point had no home together. 221 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.440 They were living in their separate apartments. He was in 222 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:08.799 the process of building a hilltop home in West Covina 223 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:12.519 that he designed, and it took about close to a 224 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:15.000 year for it to be finished before they moved in there. 225 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:22.360 And you know, eventually Barbara's daughter, Patty, who was close 226 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.039 to eleven at the time, he ended up moving in 227 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:29.320 there with them, and shortly after that, Barbara gave birth 228 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:34.360 to Finch's son, Raymie, and the first couple of years 229 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:37.000 of their marriage, you know, in the home were great. 230 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.720 They had quite a social life. They were members of 231 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:44.200 the Los Angeles Tennis Club, where they played tennis with 232 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:50.799 celebrities like Vera Allen and actor director Mark Stevens. The 233 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.200 Los Angeles Tennis Club the president at the time was 234 00:14:54.679 --> 00:15:01.440 Cornwell Jackson, and Cornwell Jackson was Earl Stanley Gardner's literary agent, 235 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:06.000 and Cornwell was also married to Gail Patrick Jackson, who 236 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:09.679 had been an actress in the thirties and forties and 237 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.200 she was sort of retired and she was looking for 238 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:19.480 something to do, and through their association with Earl Stanley Gardner, 239 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:22.360 the three of them decided to She pitched the idea 240 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.519 for the Permy Mason TV series and basically Earl Stanley 241 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.600 Gardner was on board and she ended up selling it. 242 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:30.720 So this is sort of the circles of the Finches 243 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:34.440 ran in. They were also members of the South Hills 244 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:36.919 Country Club, which was literally down the hill and right 245 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:41.840 across the street from their home. Golf course, tennis and so, 246 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:46.759 as I said, they could slum with the doctors and 247 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.519 the lawyers in the eastern San Gabriel Valley if they 248 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:53.000 didn't happen to have a handy celebrity around so at 249 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:58.759 the time of their divorce, which later occurred, the Finch's 250 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.200 estate was estimated to be about six million dollars in 251 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:06.480 twenty twenty one dollars. He not only owned the home, 252 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.639 but he was partnered with his brother in law, Gordon 253 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:14.159 Franklin in the West Cavena medical clinic, and also they 254 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:16.679 were taking a line of credit. They were building a 255 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:20.240 hospital that was right adjacent to it. They also owned 256 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:23.960 the labs. They had a lot of properties together, and 257 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:28.919 so he was a pretty wealthy son. Finch's family goes 258 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:33.000 way back into the history of the area. His grandfather 259 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:35.399 was one of the founding fathers of the city of Cavena. 260 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.399 He helped drill one of the first water wells there. 261 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:45.879 And Finch's father, also named Raymond, was a optometrist and 262 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.240 a cowner of a jewelry store that was well known 263 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.039 in the area. And the Finches were well like. They 264 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:56.600 were very civic, very wealthy, very carrying people, very religious people. 265 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:02.759 But something changed with Bernie as he was growing up 266 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:06.119 and became a doctor and it just didn't seem to 267 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:12.200 be enough for him, and so well, when he was 268 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.680 married to Barbara, like I said, the first couple of 269 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:20.680 years were pretty good and then he started to you know, 270 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:24.079 the way they had met was through an affair. Well 271 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:27.359 that didn't stop, you know, after he had married her, 272 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:32.240 and a couple of years later he ended up meeting 273 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:36.839 Carol Tregoff. She was about nineteen. She was looking for 274 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:40.720 a job. She was in a loveless marriage and she 275 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.640 was looking to do something. So she found an ad 276 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.960 for a receptionist position that was coming a medical clinic 277 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.359 and was hired. She worked in that for several months 278 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:55.559 and then Finch needed a medical assistant his was retiring, 279 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.559 so she applied for that job and was hired on 280 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:04.440 a trial basis. And initially they weren't involved sexually romantically, 281 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:08.920 if you know, she knew that Finch was even carrying 282 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:12.400 on with his nurse at this time, so she you know, 283 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:14.279 she had a pretty good idea what he was like. 284 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.279 But eventually he started to ask her out for lunch 285 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:23.799 and they ended up you know, being involved. And there 286 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:26.920 was one interesting date that they had which she considers 287 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:29.319 the first romantic date was at the Luel restaurant in 288 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:33.240 Beverly Hills. And if anybody knows about that restaurant, it 289 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.640 was a famous Polynesian restaurant that was owned by Stephen Crane, 290 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:41.240 who was Lana Turner's husband, and it has quite a history. 291 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:44.839 There's even a story about the time that Lena Horn 292 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:50.480 was there and some races made a crewde remark about her, 293 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:52.880 and she picked up a lamp and threw it at him, 294 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.400 along with three other ashtrays and being the guy on 295 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:58.839 the head. But Finch and Carol went to the Luell 296 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:04.319 restaurant one night, they drinking scorpions. They probably were a 297 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.519 little tipsy. They may have been even asked to leave 298 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:11.119 the restaurant, and they ended up in his nineteen fifty 299 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.559 seven Chrysler three hundred C convertible, beautiful expensive car. They 300 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.960 ended up in the Hollywood Hills and she didn't get home. 301 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.240 Finch didn't get her home till about four point thirty 302 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:25.119 in the morning. And you know, she's still married to 303 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.519 her husband, Jimmy Poppa at this point, who's been up 304 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.400 all night wondering where she's been. And once she comes 305 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.640 into the door, you know, he wants answers and she's 306 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.960 not forthcoming and giving him anything. So he thinks Jimmy 307 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:39.640 thinks he's going to get back at her, and he 308 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:44.039 calls Finch, her employer, and tells him that she's been 309 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:47.079 out all night. When little does Jimmy know the person 310 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.680 that Churl's been out all night is with Finch. And 311 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:52.200 in my retelling in the book, I'm thinking, how did 312 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:54.839 Finch stifle the laughter? You know, it had to have 313 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:59.000 been pretty funny, but it wasn't funny to Jimmy. And 314 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:04.759 you know, he demanded, you know, he was telling Finch 315 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.200 that she's not coming into work, she's been out all night, 316 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:12.319 blah blah blah. 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She's 349 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.039 moved out, taking everything, the furniture and everything she owned 350 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:08.640 and is out of that place. How does how does 351 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:12.319 Finch deal with Barbara at the same time. 352 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:17.119 Well, she's heard rumors, and I think she sort of 353 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:19.200 wanted to look the other way. She loved her position 354 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:25.720 as being a social lighte And Jimmy Papa decides that 355 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:28.480 he's going to He has actually placed a couple of 356 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:33.240 calls to Barbara about this, and she's, you know, sort 357 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.960 of states, you know, she's heard the rumors. And finally, 358 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:42.640 after this happens, when Barbara actually realizes that this is 359 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:46.559 a serious affair that Finch is having, she calls Papa. 360 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:50.640 She wants him to talk to Carol to break this up. 361 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:56.079 And at that point, this was prior to when that 362 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:58.440 first date with Finch and Carol, this is just when 363 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:01.519 things are starting to happen. And Jimmy had heard the 364 00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:03.880 rumors at the time, but you know, they didn't believe him. 365 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:06.480 You know, they had been Carol and Finch had been 366 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:10.640 spotted in Palm Springs where she liked to water ski 367 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:14.240 and he liked to play tennis. And you know, he is, 368 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:16.200 you know, when he's talking to Barbie, he says, well, 369 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:18.039 they had a legitimate reason there. You know, they could 370 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:22.079 have been saying a patient and so on. And Barbara, 371 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:25.960 you know, she's not buying that, you know, And then 372 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:29.240 Jimmy finally says, well, you know, if you're afraid that 373 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:31.039 there is adultery going on, why don't you just get 374 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:35.039 a divorce? And she tells Jimmy she's already been through 375 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:38.200 one marriage. She doesn't want another, and she's fearful of 376 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.720 losing not only her status but her financial you know, 377 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:48.200 access too. And at the time, California had no community 378 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:52.440 property laws. If a wife could prove or a husband 379 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.680 could prove adultery, that spouse could end up with just 380 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:01.519 about everything. And this becomes it starts to be a 381 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.599 problem that starts brewing for Finch because he realizes this, 382 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:08.920 especially when Barbara finally has had enough and decides to 383 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:09.920 file for divorce. 384 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:17.920 Yeah, let's talk about let's talk about the West Covina 385 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:21.960 Medical Clinic and this big home that he talks after 386 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.200 they both left their prospective homes in their marriages. He 387 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.400 talked about building this castle in West Covina, four miles 388 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:33.920 from his state of the art labs and clinic. Tell 389 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:38.000 us a little bit about this, and who eventually moves 390 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:38.519 next door. 391 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:42.960 Well, he built. He actually bought a couple lots and 392 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:45.279 he had added to them and he ends up designing 393 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:49.400 this home that's very similar in style to the institutional 394 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:53.000 layout of the West Cavanna Medical Clinic. So it's actually 395 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:55.119 kind of a cold. People who had been in the 396 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.960 home thought there was a lot of warmth in it, 397 00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:00.920 even though there was a swimming pool that the home 398 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:05.960 was kind of u shaped and build around the swimming pool. 399 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:15.240 His father, who ends up retiring from his life as optometrist, 400 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.119 ends up buying the lot right on the other side 401 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:22.079