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Speaker 3: When you first started doing that pendulum, as you said,
Speaker 3: when did you know or either one of you know
Speaker 3: that it actually clicked and really was something that was working.
Speaker 3: That was one of the big.
Speaker 1: Well for me, it came very early.
Speaker 2: I was working the kidnapping case of a young, very
Speaker 2: young girl and consolidated all my information, took it into
Speaker 2: the policeman in charge and said, by the way, I
Speaker 2: have some information. You should know that I'm using psychic means.
Speaker 2: Would you listen to it? He said, of course. We
Speaker 2: sat down with the comp he recorded the session.
Speaker 1: I told him, told him how.
Speaker 2: I got the information, and gave him all the information
Speaker 2: that I had, and then he thanked me very much. Now,
Speaker 2: after he turned off the recorder, he said, you know,
Speaker 2: by the way, the big case I was I saw
Speaker 2: last year was solved by a psychic And later during
Speaker 2: that investigation, someone who was working with the detectives on
Speaker 2: them with the detectives said the detectives, Uh, then the
Speaker 2: detectives wanted you to know that you have connected a
Speaker 2: lot of very important dots. So at that moment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that that was That was all the confirmation I needed.
Speaker 4: H m hm, absolutely cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's very interesting, isn't that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: What is what is your most memorable I guess case
Speaker 6: that you can that you can think of or you
Speaker 6: used it?
Speaker 5: Is there any that we know of like big cases
Speaker 5: or like.
Speaker 1: There's some there's some that I can't mention.
Speaker 2: One of the cases that really stands out is, Uh,
Speaker 2: we did a case up here in Arizona where a
Speaker 2: young man who was an avid camper and went missing
Speaker 2: and his family was very concerned and I, me and
Speaker 2: me and several other psychics were working the case and
Speaker 2: all we knew was the guy was a n avid camper,
Speaker 2: he had a four wheel drive, and he was somewhere
Speaker 2: in Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado or Utah.
Speaker 1: That's all we had to work with.
Speaker 2: And this was a kind of on the fly case
Speaker 2: because the family was paranoid. They were terrified as something
Speaker 2: had happened. And in my situation, using the dowsing, I
Speaker 2: discovered that the guy was in extreme physical danger. He
Speaker 2: was close to death, and I dowsed a specific location.
Speaker 2: A backwards numbered Backwoods rolled up on the muggy on
Speaker 2: Rim and several other of the psychics working in the case.
Speaker 2: I came up with other clues that kind of tied in,
Speaker 2: But the thing that was important to me that they
Speaker 2: kind of validated dependent on for me because I dowsed
Speaker 2: a specific, verifiable location and uh, that's where they found
Speaker 2: the guy and he had committed suicide. And my my
Speaker 2: feeling is that when I did the reading, he had
Speaker 2: he had just killed himself, and I was picking up
Speaker 2: on the fact that he was alive but in serious,
Speaker 2: serious physical danger. But that that one sticks out primarily
Speaker 2: because it validates, because it validates the process because it
Speaker 2: was so specific as to his location.
Speaker 6: So I'm curious to how you do that because I
Speaker 6: know what the pendulum you're gonna get yes or no usually,
Speaker 6: So how did you do that?
Speaker 2: Like, I'm curious very well, it's basically I called it
Speaker 2: reducing the size of the box. And you build him
Speaker 2: basically a map. And just to ask you asking no question,
Speaker 2: is the guy in Arizona?
Speaker 1: Yes? Is the guy northern Arizona? Yes?
Speaker 2: Is he uh north of the muggy on Rim Yes?
Speaker 2: Is he south of x y Z Highway? Is the
Speaker 2: east of x y Z Road? Is he west of
Speaker 2: X y Z road. Eventually you you, yeah, you reduce
Speaker 2: the search area down so that you can get a
Speaker 2: topological map or even Google Earth, and is he north
Speaker 2: of this rock formation? Is he south of this low
Speaker 2: water bridge? Is he east of this creek?
Speaker 1: Is he? Is he west of this uh structure?
Speaker 2: And in that particular case, I got it down to
Speaker 2: you go to x X point in why Point, which
Speaker 2: is one mile apart, go fifty feet off the highway,
Speaker 2: off the road, and just walk south to north and
Speaker 2: north to south and you will find it.
Speaker 1: And that that's exactly where it was.
Speaker 5: So just a whole pile of questions.
Speaker 6: Is this Yeah, it's extremely accurate.
Speaker 2: The downside is that it takes it takes just takes
Speaker 2: a long time. But yeah, I worked the case up
Speaker 2: in Colorado where I got it down to, I think
Speaker 2: where they found that we're looking for the human remains,
Speaker 2: and they found the human right in an area about
Speaker 2: precisely where I had the latitude and the longitude. M
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you're patient, I mean, the results are
Speaker 2: phenomenal if you're patient and if you ask the right questions.
Speaker 6: I'm also curious when you're using the pension I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna be either one of you. I guess are you
Speaker 6: guys calling in certain deities or who's helping? Who's giving
Speaker 6: you the answer?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Like, are you calling in somebody or is it just
Speaker 6: whoever happens to be around or how does that?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry?
Speaker 7: Wherever the information is sourced? Yeah, talk to personalities or
Speaker 7: specific situations. Were just here is the question. This is
Speaker 7: the information that is being sought. If it's available, present
Speaker 7: it please?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We don't usually say on sticking when I want to
Speaker 2: ask for if I'm asking for a specific entity to
Speaker 2: show up, which which sometimes you don't. You just asked
Speaker 2: the universe universe, where is X y Z person? But
Speaker 2: if we called in someone to spirit, we asked for
Speaker 2: is there is there a spirit president who has information
Speaker 2: regarding this case? We don't ask for you know, Daniel
Speaker 2: Boone or Cleopatra or Julius Caesar. We just asked for
Speaker 2: whoever is available that has the information we can would
Speaker 2: you please show up?
Speaker 8: So do these do these entities the spirits uh seek
Speaker 8: you out? That's uh you neil, because they know that
Speaker 8: you're gonna uh follow the follow through for them.
Speaker 3: I mean, do they look for your help you need George.
Speaker 2: George has a good story about that regarding a stage master.
Speaker 4: Okay, regarding what.
Speaker 2: Stage master, master of the stage, the producer, kate, stage manager.
Speaker 7: You know what Dan's alluding to is we spent a
Speaker 7: couple of years researching for our first penderm book, and
Speaker 7: after a while I started noticing just how everything was clicking.
Speaker 7: I mean, the right people were coming together, the right
Speaker 7: information was coming forth.
Speaker 4: It was almost like the book was writing itself, you know.
Speaker 7: It was most incredible, and that led me to once
Speaker 7: again question whether or not Dan and I were somehow
Speaker 7: on a subliminal level influencing the material that we've been
Speaker 7: very careful not to do that, but because it was
Speaker 7: just clicking so well, I began to wonder.
Speaker 4: If, in fact we might. And that kicked off.
Speaker 7: A series of events designed specifically to get my attention,
Speaker 7: and that the way that worked was at that time frame,
Speaker 7: I would get up, usually around dawn, sometimes before dawn,
Speaker 7: and I would take a a one mile walk to
Speaker 7: a city park near here, and then I near my
Speaker 7: house and I would invariably take a photograph of the
Speaker 7: rising sun.
Speaker 4: Got some beautiful, beautiful photographs.
Speaker 7: And then I began to notice in the photographs that
Speaker 7: not only got this wonderful sunrise, but over in this
Speaker 7: corner in the photograph is this blue sphere?
Speaker 4: What the hell's that?
Speaker 7: So then I began to notice that on say, five
Speaker 7: out of seven photographs that I took at the park,
Speaker 7: there would be somewhere in the photograph the blue sphere.
Speaker 4: And this really got my attention.
Speaker 7: And after a while, because it continued over several weeks,
Speaker 7: and hmm.
Speaker 4: Let me send this over to Dan.
Speaker 7: So I kind of wrote up the stuff, sent over
Speaker 7: some of the photographs to Dan, just to let him
Speaker 7: put his pendulum on it and see see if he
Speaker 7: can give me some information on what on earth is
Speaker 7: going on here. So I did, and shortly thereafter Dan
Speaker 7: got back with me.
Speaker 4: With them the orbit is a spirit. It's a spirit,
Speaker 4: you know, but not in this lifetime. And of course
Speaker 4: I just kicked off all sorts of things.
Speaker 7: Okay, this is the spirit of someone I once knew
Speaker 7: in a different lifetime. Well, let's pursue that. And through
Speaker 7: various processes, came up with an American actress named Kate Bateman,
Speaker 7: very famous theatrical family in the late nineteenth century early
Speaker 7: twentieth century, and what was being presented was, in fact
Speaker 7: the spirit of Kate Bateman. Kate Bateman was in effect
Speaker 7: stage managing the experiences that Dan and I were having,
Speaker 7: leading us to a point where we could produce the book.
Speaker 2: So we have discovered that the spirit world, they don't
Speaker 2: they don't control us, but they're in a position to
Speaker 2: put things in our path so that if we stumbled
Speaker 2: upon them and were wise enough, we can use them
Speaker 2: to get where we need to be going.
Speaker 4: And it also turns out that Pate like to talk.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well.
Speaker 8: That that that is true. I've heard that before. It's
Speaker 8: like humans love to talk. I mean, get a person
Speaker 8: that doesn't matter. There ain't too many real quiet people.
Speaker 8: But I would imagine that on the other side, we'd
Speaker 8: be the same way. The spirits would be. I want
Speaker 8: to talk all the time.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, they're they're very chatty in all our sessions.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Occasionally we have had had a spirit who really didn't
Speaker 2: want to talk to us. But as soon as we
Speaker 2: learned that, another spirit would pop in. Yeah, yeah, say
Speaker 2: we're in a ghost town or something and X ex cowboy,
Speaker 2: would would you converse with us? We got to know,
Speaker 2: is there anybody else here, Oh, there's the dancehall girl,
Speaker 2: would you talk with us? Yeah, so there's always somebody
Speaker 2: willing to talk m h But yeah, again with us,
Speaker 2: we're not looking for a specific individual person. We're just
Speaker 2: we were looking for the spirit that is most relevant
Speaker 2: to the case at hand.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. Yeah that kind of makes sense.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolute, absolutely.
Speaker 6: Now how either, Well, have you been surprised by an
Speaker 6: answer you didn't expect?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure nothing nothing shocking comes to mind.
Speaker 1: A lot of times.
Speaker 2: You're thinking, you think you're going in to the left,
Speaker 2: and then somebody give you an indication that you need
Speaker 2: to be going to the right.
Speaker 1: That sort of thing happens a lot.
Speaker 5: H Yeah.
Speaker 3: So now you're down in Arizona, I take it not
Speaker 3: out the way.
Speaker 1: Well, and you.
Speaker 3: Go to these do you?
Speaker 8: You go to these ghost towns quite often to contact
Speaker 8: these spirits. I can't imagine, because a lot of those
Speaker 8: people and back in the day died violent deaths, you know,
Speaker 8: according to the stories. Anyway, I imagine they're walking the
Speaker 8: streets yet looking to tell this story.
Speaker 5: Something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a remind me.
Speaker 2: I have a really good story about having a trap
Speaker 2: spirit across over. One thing we learned is there are
Speaker 2: trapped spirits, but that's very rare. In other words, the
Speaker 2: spirit in the haunted house isn't necessarily stuck in the
Speaker 2: haunted house. The reason the spirits show up at the
Speaker 2: haunted house is because you're there asking for the spirit
Speaker 2: to show up. If you were in your kitchen and
Speaker 2: ask the spirit to show up, the spirit would show
Speaker 2: up in your kitchen. They're very with a few exceptions.
Speaker 2: They're very, very mobile. They can go pretty much pretty
Speaker 2: much any place they want to go. But with us,
Speaker 2: at least Georgie and I have the attitude of going
Speaker 2: out to a location is our way of showing respect
Speaker 2: for them and their lives and what they have been through.
Speaker 2: You know, we're making an effort to show our appreciation.
Speaker 2: It's unnecessary, but it's something that.
Speaker 1: That we feel that it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: It's it's courteous.
Speaker 2: Well that when you when you go a hearted house,
Speaker 2: you're still going into somebody's somebody's home, you're still going
Speaker 2: into the place of business, You're still going into where
Speaker 2: they brought up the kids or whatever.
Speaker 1: So your worre always very very courteous.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, you always you always want
Speaker 6: to be respectful, ask pressure.
Speaker 5: They don't want to piss them off.
Speaker 1: Yeah what what really? What? Yeah? What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Chafts me? A lot of times is somebody.
Speaker 2: You'll see it on on some of these paranormal shows
Speaker 2: now and I realize they have to do what they
Speaker 2: have to do, but they'll they'll walk up to a
Speaker 2: to a house or a building and say, we're going
Speaker 2: to go in there and we're going to confront these ghosts.
Speaker 2: We're gonna hunt these ghosts. Yeah, we're going to challenge them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 2: That's pretty aggressive and certainly uh unfriendly