WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:06.599 It's Maria's MutS and Stuff. What a great idea on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:12.279 Welcome to Maria's Mutts and Stuff and with me because 3 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.359 you know, I always love having returning guests. It is 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:19.640 Andrew Farnsworth, or anithologist and bird expert, and he is 5 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:22.559 returning because he was a guest back in October of 6 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:23.280 last year. 7 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:24.960 So Andrew, welcome back. 8 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:26.199 Thank you for having me. 9 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:26.480 Ria. 10 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:27.399 Nice to be here. 11 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:31.280 Absolutely, So let's talk about I mean when we spoke, 12 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:34.000 there are a lot of things going on. Obviously we 13 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.479 talked a lot about the fact of all the buildings 14 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:40.439 across the country with lights and interrupting with birds and 15 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:44.560 their migration. And that was back in the fall. Now 16 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:48.280 that we're in springtime, how what has that changed? Like 17 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:52.119 obviously migration changes in the months and the seasons of 18 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:52.479 the year. 19 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:56.399 Is that correct, Yeah, so it does. It does. In 20 00:00:56.479 --> 00:01:00.280 some ways it changes pretty dramatically and in other ways 21 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:02.840 just you know, sort of the part of the return process, 22 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.400 right like the opposite. So in some ways it's very simple. 23 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.879 But yeah, we're nearing right now kind of like think 24 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:13.280 of it as a as a wave of peak migration 25 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:19.680 happening from the US Mexican border to the US Canadian border, 26 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.280 and right now that wave of like the most intense 27 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:27.560 migration is just getting into the southern part of the US, 28 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:30.280 and that way is kind of going to break over 29 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:32.959 the US for the next few weeks, and by like 30 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:35.359 the end of the months, the third and fourth week 31 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.079 of May, the peak numbers of birds are going to 32 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:40.519 be you know, sort of up at the Canadian border 33 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.680 and on their way to well for those that are 34 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:45.480 still traveling anyway, on their way into the boreal forests 35 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.840 and up to the tundra and so on. So yeah, 36 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.439 we're in this period when when a lot's happening and 37 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:54.000 and this is the you know, kind of the opposite 38 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:56.640 obviously of what happened in the fall Bords. You're generally 39 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:00.000 moving north and so on a lot of the same species, 40 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:03.079 you know, the patterns of like the timing and exactly 41 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:06.760 where do change a little bit. But the whole process 42 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:11.240 is very much kind of a repeatable and and actually 43 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:14.400 a pretty expected and kind of predictable thing in sort 44 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.479 of the broad sense. Kind of like using an almanac 45 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:20.879 and even making a forecast about what migration will happen, 46 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.599 you could do a pretty good job of knowing what's 47 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:27.240 going to be on the move. Interesting Yeah, yeah, yeah. 48 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.560 And as far as you know, the danger zone so 49 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:34.759 to speak, and the hazards, yeah, birds are still facing 50 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:40.159 them every which way. There are some places, you know, 51 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.680 where there have been improvements though, and I think I 52 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:44.599 think it's really important to kind of call out. Like 53 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:47.360 last time we talked, there was this there was this 54 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:51.120 major event that had happened in Chicago, and it kind 55 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.319 of exemplifies the problem of birds colliding with buildings and 56 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:58.919 glass transparent and reflected glass, and so it was this 57 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.879 really big kill and a known bird killing building in 58 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:05.159 Chicago that didn't have treated windows so the birds couldn't 59 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:08.840 see it, and also didn't have shaded light. Now, after 60 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:13.280 the really the kind of furor about what happened there 61 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.000 and how how serious it was and how big it was, 62 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.400 those windows are now treated and there's a plan to 63 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:21.960 shade and it looks like it reduced the number of 64 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:25.319 dead birds beneath those windows by like ninety or ninety 65 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:25.919 five percent. 66 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:27.599 Wow, that's incredible. 67 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:30.400 Yeah, So this is a case where you know, we 68 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:32.759 know what works right and we just have to we 69 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:35.280 just have to do it. So there's some real positive 70 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.000 stuff that's out there, that's that's on its way hopefully, 71 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:40.280 and then you know, we want to want to capitalize 72 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:42.039 on that, right We could all use a win right now. 73 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:43.919 Yeah, No, for sure, for sure. 74 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:46.159 And I mean, I mean the last time we spoke, 75 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:48.599 we spoke about the Javit Center in New York City 76 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.360 taking up six blocks and you know, after all the 77 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.400 time and all the birds that were lost, that they 78 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:58.800 you know, upgraded and improved and so now that's been 79 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:00.000 helpful to birds. 80 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.680 So maybe Chicago took a lesson from New York City? 81 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:03.479 Is that possible? 82 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.120 Oh, that's certainly possible, you know, as much as probably 83 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:07.960 the Chicago and no one to admit it that they 84 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.719 actually it's a wonderful community there that's really been incredibly 85 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.439 positive there and actually proactive before the New Yorkers so 86 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.839 to speak. Okay, but when it comes to this building 87 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:23.120 and in Chicago and the same kind of success that 88 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:25.920 happened at the Javit Center, it's all because of the 89 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:29.439 same thing, right, It's like making this this hazard basically 90 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.000 not a hazard to burn and it's doable and it's 91 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:33.920 possible and it works right right right? 92 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:39.000 Yeah, are there and I'm sure there are, and maybe 93 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:40.879 you don't know this because it's like off the top 94 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:45.519 of your head. Are there other newer, modernize modern buildings 95 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:49.439 in other cities around the country that did not do 96 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.160 the right thing when they were built? And it seems 97 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.879 like there's the community getting together just like they did 98 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:57.480 in New York City and Chicago, Or is it too 99 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:58.199 many to tell? 100 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.519 For sure? There are definitely there are definitely buildings that 101 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:04.959 did not do the right thing. We're starting to get 102 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:07.319 called out to do the right thing and frankly can 103 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:10.639 do the right thing now because there are tools available 104 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:14.360 to them right right. Then there also are architects out 105 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.759 there and buildings that have done the right thing and 106 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:19.120 put in from the start when they built the buildings 107 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:21.759 the bird friendly glass, you know, so you don't need 108 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:24.279 to reprofit it, right, you put the glass in to 109 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:28.160 start so that birds can see it. And so both 110 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:30.240 of these things are happening right the idea of the 111 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:34.920 retrofitting and recognizing like, oh, we need to do something here. Sure, 112 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:37.879 maybe it's to avoid a pr nightmare, or maybe because 113 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:41.319 we realize it's the right thing to do anyway, or 114 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.439 we've done the right thing in the first place. Both 115 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:44.920 of those things are happening. 116 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:45.879 For sure, that's excellent. 117 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.199 Yeah, and usually that discussion, you know, once it starts 118 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:51.600 to happen, it's not that hard to have, you know, 119 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:54.680 it's like, oh yeah, we can still communicate as people. 120 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.480 Right, right, you know, you're right, which is actually kind 121 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:01.120 of it is encouraging and lifting at this point of 122 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:02.959 our lives. I completely get that. 123 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:04.879 But also, you know, a lot of it has to 124 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:07.720 do with you because you're you know, you've been fighting 125 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:09.839 the fight and talking about it so much, and I 126 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:13.000 feel like it's almost like you know, catching fire. Not 127 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:14.560 to use that phrase, but you know what I mean, 128 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:17.680 Like the word is spreading and people realize, like it's 129 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:19.839 easier to just do the right thing from the get go, 130 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:21.120 and we build this building. 131 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:23.079 That's right, that's right, And it's always you know, it's 132 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:25.240 always a hard thing. Right. It's like when you either 133 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:27.160 make a mistake or you do something because you don't 134 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:29.240 know it, it's like, uh, like I have to fix 135 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.399 that and that work, you know, but of course, like 136 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.040 it's always easier to fix a mistake than it is 137 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:35.199 to just let it keep going. 138 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:36.600 No, you're right, you're right. 139 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:39.199 For various reasons, it may not seem like that at 140 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:42.040 the time, but this is surely the case that we've seen, 141 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.759 you know, with the buildings that are retrofitting, and it 142 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.199 makes an immediate difference, right, So then of course that's 143 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:49.800 like it comes around to be like, well, look we've 144 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.319 done this really good sustainable thing. You know, the burgers 145 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.800 and the animal lovers are happy, and the people in 146 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.480 the building are happy because you know, they're not constantly 147 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.399 getting harassed by by people saying like you're those are 148 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:05.079 killing birds and right and so on. So it's a 149 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:06.839 win all around. Yeahs these things. 150 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:08.920 Yeah, I was gonna say, it's win win for everyone. 151 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:11.120 People can go to work in peace, but you know, 152 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:13.839 it's not their fault that they're working in a building 153 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.600 like that, but still, uh, you know, and then the 154 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:18.839 people who are the animal lovers can move on to 155 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:20.079 the next project. 156 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:22.399 So that's you know, so it is it's win win, 157 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.959 and the most the biggest win is the fact that 158 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:26.079 birds live. 159 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.319 Yes, yeah, that's right, that's the part of it. That's right. 160 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:32.800 Birds live and they're you know, they're obviously integral to 161 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.680 these ecosystems that we live in. And when you know, 162 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:40.600 when you're like maintaining the components of the ecosystem. It's 163 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.279 just that much more likely that you can actually maintain 164 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.600 the whole structure, right because obviously it's just like the birds, 165 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:50.439 only it's clearly like the whole thing that's important. And uh, 166 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:53.000 they're just a proxy for how to how to kind 167 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.160 of keep the whole system healthy, right. 168 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:57.439 Right, Yeah, No, it's actually it's excellent. 169 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:00.600 Yay, some good news. Yay, Andrew, I knew you'd you 170 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:06.600 come over with some good news. Indeed, No, it's good, 171 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:07.160 it's good. 172 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:08.480 So let's see. 173 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:10.680 So what else can we can we share with listeners 174 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:13.560 now that I mean with the whole migration with birds, 175 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:16.560 how about getting into the summertime? 176 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.240 And I mean, is and maybe this is. 177 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.639 Totally off off kilter, but like off in the sense 178 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:27.800 of with people traveling and I'm doing like going camping. 179 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:32.039 Is that is there something that affects birds because there's 180 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:34.120 more people are more out in nature, even though we 181 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:36.000 want them to be more out in nature because of 182 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:36.720 the warm weather. 183 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:40.519 You know, the interactions between people and birds, I mean, 184 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.639 they they're kind of in the places where they're difficult, 185 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.360 like things we're talking about with buildings or where people 186 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.519 are disruptive or whatever that that happens all year round. Yes, 187 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.080 there are places where, you know, like if you're out 188 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:55.799 in the Hamptons and you're out on the beach there, 189 00:08:55.799 --> 00:09:00.200 like don't go wandering into the nesting area up these turns, right, 190 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.519 there are obvious things you can do. But I think 191 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:05.080 I think the even better thing to think about is 192 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.480 like the summer is a great time in particular in June, 193 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:12.000 you know, in New York and sort of all over 194 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:15.360 the state. It's a really great time to keep a 195 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:18.559 close eye on birds because they're all singing, right, this 196 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:21.000 is the time when they're like when they they look 197 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:25.360 the coolest in terms of there's the greatest diversity of colors, right, 198 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:28.960 images are all fresh, and and the males and females 199 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:31.320 are all you know, on territory, and they've got nests 200 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.279 and so there's a lot of singing. There are a 201 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.559 lot of cool behaviors. It's kind of like the best 202 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.000 time of the year, you know, to be to be 203 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.559 out and listening and looking. So in some ways it's 204 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:45.000 like flip the flip the human element on its head 205 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:47.600 and be like, oh, okay, well this is the time 206 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:50.440 I actually really want to go out and experience, and yeah, 207 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.320 do it smartly, like don't don't disrupt, and don't be 208 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:56.559 loud and sure like be be mindful when you observe, 209 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:59.159 but but do get out there and see it, because 210 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:02.759 it's the time you really can engage. And I mean 211 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.159 even if it's something as simple as you know, like 212 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:10.080 in New York City, like on people's terraces and sometimes 213 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.159 on their air conditioners. Right, they may have a mourning 214 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:14.960 dove or an American robin nesting, and this is the 215 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.320 time when you know the parents are coming in and 216 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:20.039 feeding young, and like there's a there's a closeness and 217 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:21.080 an ability to see that. 218 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:23.360 Now, right, it's. 219 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:25.000 A good time to get out and be looking. I 220 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:27.440 mean it always is, but now especially. 221 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:31.320 Especially Yeah, yeah, yeah, I almost feel like it's it's 222 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.919 because it's the time of year that humans, like it's 223 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.440 a rebirth for us bring into summer, and I feel 224 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.679 like it's the same thing you know, to explore, and 225 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.039 it's the same thing for the birds well for nature. 226 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:45.320 Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. It definitely is a time 227 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.519 when you can you can you know, it's obviously comfortable, 228 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.360 generally comfortable to be to be a human outside at 229 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.440 this point it's not like your frigid Sure, yeah, exactly 230 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:58.000 with wind and ice and all kinds of things. And 231 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:00.799 and a lot of these activities are happening because there's 232 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:06.679 so much energy you know, uh that's translating into greenery, insects, 233 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.480 you know, for birds, et cetera. Right, it's like it's 234 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:12.519 almost first energetic principles. Right, it's like some real basic 235 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:15.600 physics there that the sun is there, it's at its highest, 236 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.759 you know, the days are at their at their longest, 237 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.679 and there's all this amazing stuff going on because of that. 238 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:23.360 Sure, no, that makes sense. 239 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:25.759 And you know, you we were talking about the parents 240 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:30.000 coming out and feeding so and this just popped into 241 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.120 my head because sometimes it happens. 242 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:33.840 What's the best thing for. 243 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.639 Someone to do, Say they're out and there in the 244 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:40.759 park or something and they see a baby bird that 245 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.279 fell out of a nest. What's the best thing to do. 246 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:45.360 So that's a good question. A lot of people ask 247 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.720 that all the time. So if it's there's a good 248 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.759 sort of a good you know, a good gauge, if 249 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.720 it's if it's featherless, or if it if it really 250 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.720 seems like it's a very very new uh, you know, 251 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.720 kind of nestling that has has hopped out of the 252 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:03.879 nest and really does not have feathers on it. If 253 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:05.960 you see the nest, you know you can return that 254 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:09.000 to the nest. Okay, so that's something that absolutely you 255 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:11.240 can you can do. You can sort of gently scoop 256 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:14.679 it up and place it back in there. And you know, 257 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:17.480 you also if you can't get back to the nest, 258 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:19.720 like if it's somewhere high up or I don't know, 259 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:21.720 on a wall or a tree or something like that, 260 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:24.320 you can make kind of a surrogate nest, right, you 261 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:27.279 can sort of create a little a little area where 262 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:29.559 you can place the bird because the parents are guaranteed 263 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:31.600 to be watching, right, they've invested. 264 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:34.440 In this sure of course. Yeah, so that's. 265 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:36.559 The one thing. If it's if it's a nest, like 266 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:38.919 so basically if it's like a featherless. 267 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:40.639 Bird, ok yeah. 268 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:42.759 Yeah, And if you see a bird that's feathered, you 269 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:45.879 know that is not exactly you know, sort of like 270 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.799 looking like it's uh, for lack of a better term, 271 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:51.440 you know, fully baked the shovel, but it's got feathers 272 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:53.720 on it and it can move around and it looks 273 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:56.080 like it's trying to fly. That's what we call the 274 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:59.320 fledgling stage. And again the parents are probably nearby and 275 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.039 that birds looking to fly, and there's that's sort of 276 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.440 a like, okay, you can keep it out of harm's 277 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:06.519 away if it's trying to get into your house or 278 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:09.120 if it's you know, crafting your window, and try to 279 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:12.080 safely navigate it away. But that's one where you sort 280 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:12.759 of leave it alone. 281 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:15.039 Leave it alone. Yeah, that's what I figured. Yeah. 282 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.679 Yeah, obviously, if it's in immediate danger, you know, okay, 283 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:20.360 like you can you can move it a little ways 284 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.559 to keep it out, but generally speaking, like you know, 285 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:24.919 hands off. At that point, it's the bird sledged and 286 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:26.879 has feathers on it and is moving around. 287 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.399 No, that's great, that's you know what, that's great advice 288 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.759 because featherless. I would never realize that or think about it, 289 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:34.720 because there's always that thing in your head, probably like 290 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:37.279 a myth, oh well if you touch it and give 291 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:38.879 it and put it back in the nest, and the 292 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:40.399 parents are going to say, oh no, it had a 293 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:43.000 human touch. But that's not true at all, right, I 294 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:44.799 mean that's true, Like that's kind of a myth that 295 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:45.840 people think. 296 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.240 It is yeah, birds, you know, I mean, we don't 297 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.919 fully know like the extent of their their sensive smell, 298 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.480 but it is not very good generally, to the point 299 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.279 where let's say, you know, the old sort of tail 300 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:00.720 of Oh, you get your scent on it, and the 301 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:02.879 birds aren't going to come back. No, that's not the case. 302 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:05.080 That's not you know, that's actually not the reason they 303 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:07.200 wouldn't come back. It's if there's a whole lot of 304 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:10.600 disturbance and there's some predator around for sure, like hanging 305 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.519 over the nest and just like constantly you know, right there. 306 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:15.480 That's why they're not going to come back. It's not 307 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:17.919 because you have your scent on the you know, on 308 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.240 the bird. So absolutely they don't have a strong sense 309 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.759 of smell, and that's not an issue. Getting that featherless 310 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:25.879 bird back is definitely a thing you can do, for sure. 311 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:27.399 No, that's great, that's so great. 312 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:30.279 I you know, I've always wondered about that because you know, 313 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:32.480 there's so many schools of thought and obviously they were 314 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:34.639 all incorrect, and I needed to speak to you the 315 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:35.799 expert on it. 316 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:37.200 Nobody. 317 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.159 It's good because it's good for my listeners to know too, 318 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:40.840 because I'm sure it happens. You know, you could be 319 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:43.279 walking through a park or something, you know, taking a 320 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:47.200 springtime stroll, and it happens. Sometimes birds fall out of 321 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:51.039 the nests. But yeah, featherless perfect perfect. 322 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.399 Yeah, that's right. Featherless or feather that's your that's the 323 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:54.360 key out of the key. 324 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:56.759 Yeah, no, that makes sense. And of course the parents 325 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:57.639 are always nearby. 326 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:00.080 It's not like, you know, they're going out partying and 327 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:02.519 leaving the babies back, so you know. 328 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.840 But interestingly, you know parents like the that happens later. 329 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:09.879 Oh okay, yeah, exactly when the. 330 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.320 Birds, right, So when the bird sledge, when the young 331 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:15.679 birds are out there forging and can fly and concede 332 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.120 on their own, the parents do leave, right, and then 333 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.080 they actually leave at different times, like the males and 334 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:23.840 females will start migrating at different times, you know, the 335 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:29.679 male parent, female parent, and they'll go to perhaps different places, 336 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.080 you know, where they're not competing against one another to 337 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.080 spend the winter, and the young will follow, right, So 338 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:37.480 they do. In fact, the parents do leave early, but 339 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.000 not so early when the birds are still you know 340 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:41.639 obviously featherless or. 341 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:44.360 You know, right, they don't kick them out of the 342 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:46.919 house until that their kids are ready to stand on 343 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.720 their own two wings or something, right, Is that right? Yeah? 344 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:55.679 So for you for your job, what happens for you 345 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:58.120 like this time of year obviously after the birds the 346 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:01.759 migration that happens into June, like summertime, is that like 347 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:05.600 a more complicated time for your job or is it? 348 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:06.440 I mean? 349 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:10.159 Or probably your job is always complicated and always busy 350 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:13.799 with different if that makes sense, But like what's different 351 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:15.879 for you as we get into the summer with what 352 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:17.519 you do with your job? 353 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:19.480 Well, I can finally go to sleep now. I know. 354 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:22.919 You're not up all night watching birds? 355 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.840 Right, degrations happening? 356 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:27.519 Right, You're always up. 357 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:31.639 There's always there's always something interesting happening. And you know, obviously, 358 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:34.720 like the bird world has a lot of I think 359 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:37.639 pursuits in science and many things, but times in particular, 360 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:40.600 there's there's always dynamism and there's always something exciting to 361 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.480 think about. So it's not so much like there's there 362 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.639 might be downtime from like watching the weather like a 363 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:49.440 hawk and try to understand, you know, how how birds 364 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:51.919 are going to interact with severe weather or like really 365 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.039 favorable conditions or whatever, or how interesting patterns are unfolding. 366 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:58.840 It's kind of the time to start digesting a little 367 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.840 bit and obviously you know, thinking about like okay, well 368 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:05.920 what what just happened and what's likely to happen again. 369 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.319 It's kind of a little bit of a reset for sure, 370 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.920 But I don't know, the complexity doesn't change. It just 371 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.559 sort of shifts into into a different mode of like, 372 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.680 all right, this frenetic period where there are you know, 373 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:20.119 a few billion birds on the move is about to 374 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:24.160 get you know, going again in a month. What did 375 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:27.160 I learn this spring? You know, we're the head of 376 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.559 schedule behind schedule. Did the models work well? That predicted 377 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:32.440 you know, when birds were going to be here or 378 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:35.960 there where they're different sort of odd unexpected patterns that happened. 379 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.920 It's a really good time to kind of digest that stuff. 380 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.960 And I try to do that, you know, they try 381 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:43.400 to make sense from that perspective. I mean, yeah, it's 382 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:46.480 your you know, your Monday morning quarterback or whatever whatever 383 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:49.160 way you phrase them, you know, right, Yeah, and so 384 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.480 it's not really really a downtime per se. It just 385 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.039 is it changes the kind of the nature of like, okay, 386 00:17:56.279 --> 00:18:00.599 it's it's almost overload from you know, a in May 387 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.240 and then again in September and October because there's so 388 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.160 much happening and now there's so many people out birding 389 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:10.839 that the information coming in is just incredible. Sure, So 390 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:13.599 so that does change, you know, during like June and July, 391 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:15.839 and it's it's kind of nice to just sort of 392 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:18.680 be able to think about the data and look at 393 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:23.200 what happened and try to understand like, okay, like how 394 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.640 does this year compared to others? Like what what am 395 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:30.319 I expecting for the fall? Now? What kind of in 396 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:32.240 New York City? What kind of a season are we 397 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:35.480 talking about? You know, like right now, for example, we're 398 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:38.119 a little above the typical numbers of birds that have 399 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:41.680 passed through like over Manhattan, for example, we're just over 400 00:18:41.799 --> 00:18:45.839 like a million birds for the for the year, and 401 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:48.519