WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:01.840
<v Speaker 1>How's it going to everyone?

2
00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:05.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked

3
00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:08.119
<v Speaker 2>and Grim.

4
00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:11.439
<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast morning.

5
00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:15.759
<v Speaker 2>The following podcast materials.

6
00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Audience listener. That's good. We nailed that, nailed it, nailed

7
00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:43.960
<v Speaker 1>that third times the charm right, this is our third

8
00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:45.880
<v Speaker 1>podcast three.

9
00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.240
<v Speaker 2>So therefore, yes, the third post number three.

10
00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:50.560
<v Speaker 1>And I did the research for this one, so you did.

11
00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:52.000
<v Speaker 2>It's a cool episode.

12
00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:57.479
<v Speaker 1>It's in a cool episode. The research was intense, was it. Yeah,

13
00:00:57.600 --> 00:00:59.920
<v Speaker 1>it just was a lot longer than I anticipated it to.

14
00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, you got that rabbit hole you crawl down, right?

15
00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

16
00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Is that what happened?

17
00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, numerous times, Like the amount of articles and

18
00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:11.280
<v Speaker 1>news pages I read was just a little bit much.

19
00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:13.159
<v Speaker 2>A little much. Well, like, how long do you think

20
00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:14.040
<v Speaker 2>you're researching for?

21
00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:16.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I put a solid eight hours, really like a

22
00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:17.560
<v Speaker 1>homework day.

23
00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's honestly, it's not surprising when I look back

24
00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:22.840
<v Speaker 2>the research I'd done for the past too, So that's fair.

25
00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:24.000
<v Speaker 2>I can see it. I can see it.

26
00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I think it will get easier though, because honestly, as

27
00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:30.439
<v Speaker 1>you just learn easier and more efficient ways of doing it.

28
00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:33.120
<v Speaker 1>So I think, like the fifth the one I do

29
00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:34.799
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, it would be much easier.

30
00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, and there's a lot of descriptions out there when

31
00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:40.560
<v Speaker 2>you're researching stuff and it's like you can omit this.

32
00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:45.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like, Okay, the victim was wearing a blue hair tie.

33
00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Do we really need to know that? Not necessarily?

34
00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:51.519
<v Speaker 1>No, I did already emit stuff like that. Yeah, so

35
00:01:51.560 --> 00:01:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing good well and.

36
00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:56.439
<v Speaker 2>Even still in an hour long podcast, we can't fit everything.

37
00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, so we're gonna do the best we can.

38
00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh if I fit everything, as you guys to have

39
00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to listen to us for three hours, and who wants

40
00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to do that?

41
00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:06.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've listened to you over the past like

42
00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:11.039
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years talk NonStop, so I'm pretty sure I've listened

43
00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:12.919
<v Speaker 2>to more than just three hours NonStop.

44
00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Can we have two podcasts out? We do, and they're

45
00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:17.280
<v Speaker 1>going really well.

46
00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:19.159
<v Speaker 2>They are like ridiculously well.

47
00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:19.919
<v Speaker 1>You have pumped.

48
00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've actually told you yet, but I

49
00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.319
<v Speaker 2>looked at the numbers. We are over two hundred listens

50
00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:27.599
<v Speaker 2>on both episodes combined already, who Who? And they've only

51
00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:30.680
<v Speaker 2>been released for like well at this time, like not

52
00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:31.439
<v Speaker 2>even two weeks.

53
00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, I'm so excited.

54
00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Thank you everyone, thank you, ya, thank You've had some

55
00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.960
<v Speaker 2>incredible support from like friends and people online who were

56
00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:40.840
<v Speaker 2>just finding us. I even had someone on TikTok on

57
00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:44.199
<v Speaker 2>my personal account say that, like, hey, I literally haven't

58
00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:48.080
<v Speaker 2>looked up your podcast yet, but Spotify recommended Wicked and

59
00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Grim to me on my recommendation thing. So that's pretty

60
00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:54.840
<v Speaker 2>dope that we're making the recommendation list.

61
00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.479
<v Speaker 1>That is awesome, right, Look at us moving up in

62
00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the world.

63
00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.479
<v Speaker 2>People like us, I think, I hope.

64
00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, time will tell.

65
00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:07.120
<v Speaker 2>If they stick around they like us. Yeah, if they don't,

66
00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.840
<v Speaker 2>then clearly we've got we've got some issues.

67
00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, should we stop with the chit chat?

68
00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Sure, let's get right to it.

69
00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Let's dive into this case.

70
00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Boom and a cool episode present us the case. What

71
00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:19.680
<v Speaker 2>do we got?

72
00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I actually haven't really given any hints or anything.

73
00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.039
<v Speaker 1>I think the only hint I gave that it was

74
00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:27.360
<v Speaker 1>a BC case, which it is, and you kept a.

75
00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Lot of information for me. I know nothing about this

76
00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:30.280
<v Speaker 2>case either.

77
00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I know I'm very secretive.

78
00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:35.240
<v Speaker 2>You aren't in good job on keeping it. Although in turn,

79
00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:38.000
<v Speaker 2>just so you know, I'm making sure that I'm not

80
00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:41.120
<v Speaker 2>telling you anything about my case and just you guys

81
00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:45.759
<v Speaker 2>are aware. We're recording today's episode and next week's episode

82
00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:48.120
<v Speaker 2>back to back. So I've got my case. Later writ

83
00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:48.560
<v Speaker 2>in front of me and.

84
00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Nicolemost nothing about I know nothing.

85
00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.479
<v Speaker 2>I'm not telling her anything between now and then when

86
00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:53.280
<v Speaker 2>we record.

87
00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:54.439
<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't even know if I know the name

88
00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:55.120
<v Speaker 1>of the person.

89
00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, at the end of this episode, I'll tell you

90
00:03:58.080 --> 00:03:59.599
<v Speaker 2>guys what the cases, But first we got to listen

91
00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:01.479
<v Speaker 2>to it. Cales case, I'm pumped. What do you got?

92
00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay? So here we go. So I am diving deep

93
00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:07.879
<v Speaker 1>into the murder of Rena ke rena Vert. Does that

94
00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:09.080
<v Speaker 1>name sound familiar to you?

95
00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I would like to say yes, but no it doesn't. Okay,

96
00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:15.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm really bad with names.

97
00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Over you are? And yeah, I for some reason remember

98
00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:20.560
<v Speaker 1>this happening, and it's also been in the news very

99
00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:23.040
<v Speaker 1>consistently over the years. So I feel like a lot

100
00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:23.720
<v Speaker 1>of people are going to.

101
00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Know about this one then I should know it.

102
00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.079
<v Speaker 1>But probably, well it might maybe some bells will ring.

103
00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Is that how you say that?

104
00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.839
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it'll ring some bells, ring some bells. I'm not

105
00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:34.000
<v Speaker 2>a news person though, either. I try to avoid that stuff.

106
00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.800
<v Speaker 1>It's depressing a lot of times okay, So who is

107
00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Rena Virk.

108
00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Let's hear it.

109
00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:40.839
<v Speaker 1>So, Rena Vike, at the time of her murder was

110
00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:42.920
<v Speaker 1>only fourteen years old. I'm just going to throw that

111
00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:45.120
<v Speaker 1>out there because that's really sad and that might trigger

112
00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:48.639
<v Speaker 1>some people. So she was born on March tenth, nineteen

113
00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:52.720
<v Speaker 1>eighty three. Her parents were suemn Urke and man Jeep Burke,

114
00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:56.920
<v Speaker 1>and she was the oldest of three children, and they

115
00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.000
<v Speaker 1>lived in Sanwich, BC. Do you know where that is?

116
00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:05.480
<v Speaker 2>That's south right Vancouver area or is it on the island.

117
00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.959
<v Speaker 1>It's on Vancouver Island, on the island. I love Vancouver Island.

118
00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:11.839
<v Speaker 2>My geography is also terrible. I'm just all around not

119
00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:15.439
<v Speaker 2>an educated individual. I don't watch the news. Names don't

120
00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:18.439
<v Speaker 2>stick with me and geography don't ask me math either.

121
00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is going to educate you more.

122
00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

123
00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:23.879
<v Speaker 1>So it's about two kilometers or two miles or so

124
00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.480
<v Speaker 1>from Victoria, So it's pretty much like a suburb of Victoria.

125
00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, people that live there probably are not gonna

126
00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:30.680
<v Speaker 1>be happy with me saying that, but I think it's

127
00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.480
<v Speaker 1>a suburb of Victoria. So Rena's dad was a first

128
00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:39.240
<v Speaker 1>generation immigrant from India of Sikh religion, and Rena's mom

129
00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:42.639
<v Speaker 1>was born and raised in Victoria, also Indian, but of

130
00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Jehovah Witness religion.

131
00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:45.959
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that's a different combination.

132
00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:49.040
<v Speaker 1>It is, isn't it. So Rena is described and this

133
00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:52.079
<v Speaker 1>she was described with this numerous articles. I read as

134
00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:58.120
<v Speaker 1>a minority within a minority because she's living in basically Victoria,

135
00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Savage BC, in a South Asia community, but of Jehovah

136
00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Witness religion when most of the people in that little

137
00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:05.439
<v Speaker 1>community would be of Sikh religion.

138
00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could see sticking out like a sore thumb

139
00:06:07.439 --> 00:06:07.879
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

140
00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:14.319
<v Speaker 1>So Rena was described as she loved life, She was

141
00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:18.639
<v Speaker 1>a caregiver, liked caring for people, and loved babies, including

142
00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:19.519
<v Speaker 1>her little siblings.

143
00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:20.959
<v Speaker 2>Ah, she sounds like a good person.

144
00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Her mom, uh said if she was alive today, she

145
00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:26.959
<v Speaker 1>would have done something to help other people.

146
00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:30.480
<v Speaker 2>We need more people like that in our lives in

147
00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:31.720
<v Speaker 2>the world, Like.

148
00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.759
<v Speaker 1>She probably would have been a nurse or something. And yeah,

149
00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.680
<v Speaker 1>we need caring people in this world. I'm not gonna lie.

150
00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to know where this is going now.

151
00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:42.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean I do, but I don't.

152
00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:44.720
<v Speaker 1>So at the time of the murder, like I said,

153
00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Rena was only fourteen, which is just so young, Like

154
00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:49.759
<v Speaker 1>fourteen years old, Oh my goodness.

155
00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.519
<v Speaker 2>You're still developing as a person then, Like you don't

156
00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:52.399
<v Speaker 2>even know who you are.

157
00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I know you don't. Yeah, you're just very new to

158
00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:56.279
<v Speaker 1>the world. Really well, like I think.

159
00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.319
<v Speaker 2>Back when you were fourteen, what were you like? Well,

160
00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I know what you were like. We were dating then

161
00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:03.480
<v Speaker 2>almost dat we knew each other.

162
00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.439
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say I was into teenye maybe,

163
00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:10.560
<v Speaker 1>but I think maybe that out pays already went by hopefully.

164
00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:14.519
<v Speaker 2>I think I was fifteen, okay, so we're just starting

165
00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:16.680
<v Speaker 2>to get to know each other. And yeah, you were weird.

166
00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I was odd. I feel like I was like young

167
00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:19.959
<v Speaker 1>too long.

168
00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:21.319
<v Speaker 2>But we don't even know.

169
00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:24.079
<v Speaker 1>But that's okay. I feel like that's a good thing. Yeah,

170
00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:26.480
<v Speaker 1>stay young as long as you can.

171
00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:27.000
<v Speaker 2>So.

172
00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:31.399
<v Speaker 1>Reno was described as also being a very self conscious teenager,

173
00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:33.879
<v Speaker 1>which I mean as we were just kind of saying,

174
00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:37.319
<v Speaker 1>like you're finding yourself and you're not too sure about

175
00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:38.360
<v Speaker 1>what you're going to be yet.

176
00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:40.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're all like that when we're that age.

177
00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.759
<v Speaker 1>And she desperately sought the acceptance from her peers, which

178
00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:49.199
<v Speaker 1>is like really sad just learning that. But I mean, yeah,

179
00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:52.519
<v Speaker 1>you're just learning, learning everything about yourself, and you just

180
00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:55.120
<v Speaker 1>want people to like you and make friends, And.

181
00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:56.879
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of pressure at that age too, right,

182
00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:57.839
<v Speaker 2>trying to fit in.

183
00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I just I just pretty much just described

184
00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:01.600
<v Speaker 1>like a normal teenager.

185
00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:03.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you just literally described my past.

186
00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:07.839
<v Speaker 1>So she was also going through a rebellion phase from

187
00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.639
<v Speaker 1>her parents, which is also very common, but hers was

188
00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:12.680
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more intense, and I feel like most

189
00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:18.319
<v Speaker 1>people's rebellion phase would be from their parents, She figured.

190
00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:21.680
<v Speaker 1>She thought her parents were very overprotective. For an example

191
00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:23.959
<v Speaker 1>of that, they gave her a nine pm curfew. But

192
00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, at fourteen years old, I was not roam

193
00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:28.600
<v Speaker 1>in the streets at nine pm. I'm not gonna lie.

194
00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:30.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I grew up on a dirt road. It

195
00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:32.320
<v Speaker 2>was like when I go home from school at like

196
00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.200
<v Speaker 2>four thirty, it was like, I'm not going out unless

197
00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:36.759
<v Speaker 2>it's for a bike ride to the next door neighbor

198
00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:38.720
<v Speaker 2>who is my buddy, and by then it's I'm back

199
00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:39.279
<v Speaker 2>by dinner.

200
00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:41.759
<v Speaker 1>But I was also a perfect child.

201
00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Of course you were. You're a perfect human all around

202
00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:47.840
<v Speaker 2>study much brand points to me today.

203
00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Saving you don't have to sleep on the couch tonight. Whooh, okay,

204
00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:55.840
<v Speaker 1>So she so just kind of dive into how she

205
00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:00.200
<v Speaker 1>was rebellious. She had ran away from home, she with

206
00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:05.320
<v Speaker 1>her grandparents. She her her end goal basically of her

207
00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:08.080
<v Speaker 1>rebellion was she wanted to live in like a foster care,

208
00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:11.360
<v Speaker 1>in foster care. What that was. She didn't want to

209
00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:13.519
<v Speaker 1>be living with her parents. I think she had friends

210
00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that were in foster care group home situations, and it

211
00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:20.159
<v Speaker 1>just that seemed more desirable to her.

212
00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.360
<v Speaker 2>So it was glorified because who aims to live.

213
00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:24.039
<v Speaker 1>In faster care?

214
00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.799
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, unless you had like a really

215
00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.080
<v Speaker 2>bad living situation, you know exactly.

216
00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.279
<v Speaker 1>And her parents are amazing. They're like, oh my goodness,

217
00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:34.440
<v Speaker 1>you're going to learn about them and they're just phenomenal.

218
00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:36.080
<v Speaker 2>This is breaking my heart already.

219
00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:40.759
<v Speaker 1>So living with her grandparents wasn't going overly well. She

220
00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:44.399
<v Speaker 1>and what she did next was she reported physical, mental,

221
00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:48.759
<v Speaker 1>and sexual abuse at her home, which caused her father

222
00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:50.879
<v Speaker 1>to be arrested.

223
00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh I thought you said that she was like an

224
00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:56.480
<v Speaker 2>all around good person. That's not a cus.

225
00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:58.879
<v Speaker 1>She was a very good person, but she was kind

226
00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:00.559
<v Speaker 1>of just out a phase where she was just like

227
00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.360
<v Speaker 1>testing everything. I think, you know, and so okay, that

228
00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:07.720
<v Speaker 1>did get withdrawn okay good at a later date. So

229
00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.840
<v Speaker 1>she has also attempted suicide. She did end up in

230
00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:13.559
<v Speaker 1>foster care that was not doing what she wanted it

231
00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.159
<v Speaker 1>for her. So she that was at the time when

232
00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:19.440
<v Speaker 1>she withdrew the allegations to her father because she wanted

233
00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:21.960
<v Speaker 1>to go back home and they welcomed her back with

234
00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:25.519
<v Speaker 1>like open arms. That's like first of showing how awesome

235
00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.559
<v Speaker 1>her parents are. No kidding that it didn't go well

236
00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:32.519
<v Speaker 1>again living at home. So she at the time of

237
00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:37.080
<v Speaker 1>her death, she was in a group home situation. So

238
00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.039
<v Speaker 1>it definitely was not all sunshine and roses, no kidding. Yeah,

239
00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:47.120
<v Speaker 1>So the night of November fourteenth, nineteen ninety seven was

240
00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:48.159
<v Speaker 1>when it all went down.

241
00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I remember that day very clearly.

242
00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Do you what were you doing?

243
00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I was no. Actually I was a PlayStation guy, but

244
00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:58.759
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven, No, I didn't have PlayStation by then,

245
00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.200
<v Speaker 2>probably playing StarCraft. In fact, I remember it well. It

246
00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.679
<v Speaker 2>was a partly cloudy day, just got home from school

247
00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:07.559
<v Speaker 2>playing StarCraft in the computer. My mom was yelling at

248
00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:12.600
<v Speaker 2>me to do homework. Childhood, No, I wasn't.

249
00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Rena was attending a party The party was

250
00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:21.200
<v Speaker 1>in the back field of Shoreline Secondary, you know, pretty

251
00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.039
<v Speaker 1>much the best place to have a party. Of course,

252
00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:28.159
<v Speaker 1>there was reportedly about thirty kids there. Teenagers. I don't know,

253
00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.159
<v Speaker 1>I guess you're still considered a kid. It got very rowdy,

254
00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:34.799
<v Speaker 1>as you can imagine. The police were called. They arrived

255
00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:37.799
<v Speaker 1>and at that point the teens scattered.

256
00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:40.840
<v Speaker 2>I could see it, like stomp them on nan Hill

257
00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:41.320
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing.

258
00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Yep. So Rena ended up at the local convenience store

259
00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that was very near and she notified her parents that

260
00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:50.840
<v Speaker 1>she'd be coming home for the night because it was

261
00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:53.720
<v Speaker 1>much closer than the group home that she was at

262
00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:54.200
<v Speaker 1>at the time.

263
00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.519
<v Speaker 2>And her parents, I bet you they were totally cool

264
00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.080
<v Speaker 2>if that weren't they Okay.

265
00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:00.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah they were. I'd almost just like always seem like

266
00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.159
<v Speaker 1>they're excited whenever she reached out and wanted to come

267
00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.159
<v Speaker 1>home and stuff. So after the phone call with her parents,

268
00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:13.080
<v Speaker 1>two girls which were allegedly she thought were friends, invited

269
00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.960
<v Speaker 1>her down to Craig Flower Bridge, which was where the party.

270
00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:20.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you'd say, reconvened.

271
00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:21.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, we're a.

272
00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Bunch of teenagers. Decided to keep it going and at

273
00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:29.720
<v Speaker 1>that moment. At that moment, she should have just like

274
00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.000
<v Speaker 1>not tried to fit in and just gone home.

275
00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Is this where it starts.

276
00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't mentioned this yet, but she was accused of

277
00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:42.879
<v Speaker 1>spreading rumors herself about another girl and trying to steal

278
00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:44.279
<v Speaker 1>that girl's boyfriend.

279
00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so classic high school stuff.

280
00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very much so, And that, unfortunately, is basically how

281
00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:53.799
<v Speaker 1>the attack started. The girl who was subject of the

282
00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:58.159
<v Speaker 1>rumors spread by Rena started it all out by putting

283
00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a burning cigarette out on Rea's forehead.

284
00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that's just a dick move all around.

285
00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that would actually like really hurt one.

286
00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah I would. You'd burn yourself, well, not yourself,

287
00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:11.639
<v Speaker 2>but they would burn you.

288
00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But that's just the start. So Rena was then

289
00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.600
<v Speaker 1>swarmed by a group of seven girls and one boy,

290
00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.200
<v Speaker 1>all of these people being under the age of sixteen,

291
00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:26.600
<v Speaker 1>so they're all young, and oh very young. They repeatedly punch, kicked,

292
00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:30.799
<v Speaker 1>hit Rena for reportedly up to three to five minutes.

293
00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.200
<v Speaker 1>This went on like that is a long time to be.

294
00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:39.039
<v Speaker 2>So long, like three minutes, Like that's that's a full

295
00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:40.279
<v Speaker 2>freaking song.

296
00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.840
<v Speaker 1>For yeah, for eight people to be just you know, attacking.

297
00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.399
<v Speaker 2>You right, I think how long is Bohemian Rhapsody that song?

298
00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that's slightly over five minutes, isn't it?

299
00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:49.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god?

300
00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:52.840
<v Speaker 2>So basically think getting that your ass kicked for the

301
00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:56.399
<v Speaker 2>entirety of Bohemian Rhapsody, I know that is just so long.

302
00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:59.000
<v Speaker 1>There was and there was a crowd around watching this.

303
00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.360
<v Speaker 1>So there was the seven people or eight people sorry,

304
00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:04.679
<v Speaker 1>attacking Rena and then a crowd watching, which I'm like,

305
00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.639
<v Speaker 1>how on earth did you watch this? But someone in

306
00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:09.399
<v Speaker 1>the crowd did kind of at one point was like,

307
00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:12.639
<v Speaker 1>enough's enough and that did end it good. So it

308
00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:15.879
<v Speaker 1>ended and at that point Rena was was left alive,

309
00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.919
<v Speaker 1>so she she was still alive. She was definitely like

310
00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:20.399
<v Speaker 1>not doing well of.

311
00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Course, as I could imagine.

312
00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:25.240
<v Speaker 1>So she was not in good shape, but she was

313
00:14:25.240 --> 00:14:29.559
<v Speaker 1>going to make her way across the bridge, stumbling and

314
00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:32.120
<v Speaker 1>trying as best she could to get home because her

315
00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:36.080
<v Speaker 1>home was on the other side of the bridge. But uh,

316
00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:43.360
<v Speaker 1>two teens did not leave, So we have we have

317
00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.919
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Ellard and weren't glow out ski. I was have

318
00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:51.360
<v Speaker 1>trouble pronouncing that we're Glowoutski. So and so they didn't leave.

319
00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:55.200
<v Speaker 1>And apparently these two individuals didn't even know Rena personally,

320
00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:58.320
<v Speaker 1>which I have trouble, like, what the heck, what are

321
00:14:58.320 --> 00:14:58.799
<v Speaker 1>you doing?

322
00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.120
<v Speaker 2>So they they stayed behind. I'm assuming that they're about

323
00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:04.240
<v Speaker 2>to like jump her or something like that. I already

324
00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:06.120
<v Speaker 2>hate them. And they didn't even know her.

325
00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:08.639
<v Speaker 1>They just they didn't know her, and some reports said

326
00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:11.120
<v Speaker 1>that they just wanted to make sure that she didn't

327
00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:16.159
<v Speaker 1>rat anyone out, so they stayed back and like followed her.

328
00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:18.480
<v Speaker 1>So but they didn't like, I mean, she was not

329
00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:23.320
<v Speaker 1>moving fast. They did catch her on the bridge and

330
00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:27.759
<v Speaker 1>they kind of brought her across the other bridge or sorry,

331
00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to the other side of the bridge.

332
00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:30.480
<v Speaker 2>She brought her across well.

333
00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Like escorted her, but like not in a nice way.

334
00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.759
<v Speaker 1>So they're like harassing and pushing it like she's just

335
00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.720
<v Speaker 1>wanting like she's just telling them to fuck off constantly.

336
00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:42.440
<v Speaker 1>So so they get to the other side of the

337
00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:47.360
<v Speaker 1>bridge where the attack, an attack starts again, these two

338
00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Kelly and Warren. So attack starts again. They're punching, punching Rina,

339
00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:57.879
<v Speaker 1>and they end up smashing her head against a tree,

340
00:15:57.919 --> 00:15:59.679
<v Speaker 1>which leaves her unconscious.

341
00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, yeah, do we know which one smashed their

342
00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:04.440
<v Speaker 2>head against the tree?

343
00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:06.120
<v Speaker 1>No, at that point, I didn't say which one. I

344
00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.960
<v Speaker 1>think it was like both Warren and Kelly were very

345
00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:12.639
<v Speaker 1>active at that point, but one of them does get

346
00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:18.159
<v Speaker 1>much worse here. So they dragged Rena's body to the water. Wait, unconscious, right,

347
00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:23.399
<v Speaker 1>unconscious Kelly or sorry, Reena is not conscious, So Kelly

348
00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:28.080
<v Speaker 1>help holds Rena's head underwater with her foot. Well, she

349
00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:31.559
<v Speaker 1>goes into her pocket, gets one of her cigarettes, lights

350
00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the cigarette, and smokes the entire cigarette while holding Rena's

351
00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:37.759
<v Speaker 1>head under the water with her foot.

352
00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.279
<v Speaker 2>What yeah, oh my god.

353
00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't know she thought that she was just

354
00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:45.000
<v Speaker 1>being really cool or what.

355
00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:47.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't like, the fuck is that cool?

356
00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I know, like this is like a person.

357
00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I just I just uh, I'm sorry.

358
00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:59.879
<v Speaker 1>Uh she Wow, Yeah, you're not gonna like her, Ben.

359
00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:02.879
<v Speaker 2>She's already a seaon next Tuesday. Yeah, you're not gonna

360
00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.519
<v Speaker 2>like her home Wow, okay continue Sorry.

361
00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:12.480
<v Speaker 1>So come Monday, rumors were flying, despite a pack that

362
00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:15.160
<v Speaker 1>was made amongst everyone that no one was to say anything,

363
00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:17.039
<v Speaker 1>of course, Like, I just feel like that's such a

364
00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:19.400
<v Speaker 1>teenager to think no one's going to say anything. We're

365
00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:24.799
<v Speaker 1>keeping this quiet. Grena's parents had reported her missing obviously

366
00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.960
<v Speaker 1>because they were expecting her. But there was like a

367
00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:32.480
<v Speaker 1>forty eight hour period where police wait because generally, especially

368
00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:35.559
<v Speaker 1>people group worn homes, they do a missing and like

369
00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:38.519
<v Speaker 1>turn up often, right, So I mean it was just

370
00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:39.759
<v Speaker 1>the police where we're.

371
00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Waiting, following policy.

372
00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:45.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I mean that is unfortunate. So police conducted

373
00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:50.640
<v Speaker 1>numerous interviews over the week while they were doing this. Apparently,

374
00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Kelly reportedly was bragging, giving people tours of the crime

375
00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:58.000
<v Speaker 1>she seen and showing what she did.

376
00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Of course she was wow, yeah, like she's a real win,

377
00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.799
<v Speaker 2>trash person, real winner. She trash Kelly.

378
00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:07.440
<v Speaker 1>She was dubbed the nickname killer Kelly.

379
00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:11.599
<v Speaker 2>There's another word I can think she should be called.

380
00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we're not going to go there. No, So

381
00:18:14.799 --> 00:18:18.079
<v Speaker 1>on November twenty first, so never November twenty first, that's

382
00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.079
<v Speaker 1>seven days after the attack, Kelly Warren and six girls

383
00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:27.960
<v Speaker 1>were arrested, facing charges from assault to murder. So quite quickly, really,

384
00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:31.160
<v Speaker 1>I feel like they figured out who was involved.

385
00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean with all these rumors flying around with

386
00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:35.519
<v Speaker 2>kids being like, oh yeah, I was totally doing this

387
00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:37.279
<v Speaker 2>and Kelly being like, yeah, this is where I killed

388
00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:37.720
<v Speaker 2>this chick.

389
00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, oh yeah, she's not going to get called

390
00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:42.759
<v Speaker 1>secret at all. And I just feel like at that age,

391
00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:44.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean even now, I'm terrible at

392
00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:48.480
<v Speaker 1>keeping secrets. I would have probably told my parents instantly

393
00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and then their you know, parents get involved. Yeah, it

394
00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:53.519
<v Speaker 1>was the rumors were going through the school too, so

395
00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.440
<v Speaker 1>teachers were were getting involved in such as well.

396
00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, I could imagine, well, yeah, you are terrible at

397
00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:01.480
<v Speaker 2>keeping secret. It's even when it comes to like Christmas.

398
00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Time, something cool, I want to give it to you instantly.

399
00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Suret I'm wearing right now. I literally got for Christmas

400
00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:09.759
<v Speaker 2>this past Christmas from you, and I knew about it

401
00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:10.920
<v Speaker 2>like the month prior to.

402
00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, I had to make sure you tried it on

403
00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:17.920
<v Speaker 1>to make sure it fits. Anyways, continue, Yes, Okay, so

404
00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:20.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone's arrested at this point, but they still have not

405
00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:22.559
<v Speaker 1>found the body. So the police put a lot of

406
00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:25.559
<v Speaker 1>effort into that. On the following day, so eight days

407
00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:28.400
<v Speaker 1>after the murder, Rena's body was found in the water

408
00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.240
<v Speaker 1>about a kilometer from where she was last beaten.

409
00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Jeez, So she was she like pushed into the river

410
00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:34.680
<v Speaker 2>then or what?

411
00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.000
<v Speaker 1>You know? I never never said anything, but I'm assuming

412
00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:40.680
<v Speaker 1>like she was pretty much in the water already, so.

413
00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.240
<v Speaker 2>They probably just left her there. Yeah.

414
00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I never said if they pushed her down or whatever.

415
00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:47.440
<v Speaker 1>But she also didn't end up that far from from

416
00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:50.839
<v Speaker 1>where the attack happened, to kilometers and really that far. No, especially,

417
00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm also really surprised no one found found her previously

418
00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.599
<v Speaker 1>to that, I mean, yeah, but anyway, so I'm gonna

419
00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna dive into the autopsy here. This is not great, Okay,

420
00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:10.279
<v Speaker 1>as expected. So the autopsy, she had severe bruising over

421
00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:17.160
<v Speaker 1>her entire skull, forehead, ears and cheeks, swellen brain, an

422
00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:20.720
<v Speaker 1>imprint of a running shoe on her head, consistent with

423
00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:24.000
<v Speaker 1>stomping or kicking, which I imagine is the imprint of

424
00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Kelly's foot holding her down.

425
00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, while she smokes a fucking cigarette thinking she's cool shit.

426
00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.559
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, yeah, queen Bee or whatever she wants

427
00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:32.759
<v Speaker 1>to be.

428
00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh, she's a bee, that's for sure.

429
00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Severe bruising on pelvis, stomach, liver and pancreas Jesus, and

430
00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.720
<v Speaker 1>pebble's lodge in the throat consistent with someone drowning face

431
00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:49.240
<v Speaker 1>down in shallow water. So yeah, like she wasn't she

432
00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:54.880
<v Speaker 1>was still alive, but she obviously was underwater, still trying to.

433
00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Breathe, right, yeah, Well, unconscious or not, your reflex is

434
00:20:58.039 --> 00:20:59.359
<v Speaker 2>going to be to try and breathe.

435
00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

436
00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So she's being held down by Kelly and she's

437
00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:05.799
<v Speaker 2>trying to breathe. Whether she's conscious, I don't, I mean,

438
00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:08.839
<v Speaker 2>do you know didn't say like she was struggling at

439
00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:09.200
<v Speaker 2>that point.

440
00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:11.640
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think that she was struggling.

441
00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:14.359
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so she's probably unconscious, just trying to breathe

442
00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.079
<v Speaker 2>exactly graveling. Oh my god, that's horrible. Can you imagine?

443
00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I couldn't imagine.

444
00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:21.599
<v Speaker 2>I can't hold my breath in the bathtub for like

445
00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:25.119
<v Speaker 2>thirty seconds, let alone being forced down by something like how.

446
00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Long would it take to smoke a cigarette? I think

447
00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.720
<v Speaker 1>it would take like a good three to five minutes

448
00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:32.839
<v Speaker 1>when it depending on I've never actually.

449
00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.799
<v Speaker 2>Depending on how fast you're going. If you're in a

450
00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:37.759
<v Speaker 2>coffee break, I'm sure you're trying to smoke that sucker

451
00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:38.279
<v Speaker 2>pretty fast.

452
00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:40.319
<v Speaker 1>But if you're just casually out, oh yeah, she was

453
00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:43.559
<v Speaker 1>probably just being as casual as she could be. So

454
00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:48.200
<v Speaker 1>obviously Rena her the final doom was drownding, but she

455
00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:50.440
<v Speaker 1>It was also reported that she most likely wouldn't have

456
00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:52.720
<v Speaker 1>survived with the brain injury that she had.

457
00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:57.839
<v Speaker 2>So wow, I know, poor Rena, No kidding.

458
00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know. Just I just it's so

459
00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:02.799
<v Speaker 1>bad for her, like fourteen years old, and that's just

460
00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like a tragic thing to happen to her parents and

461
00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:05.599
<v Speaker 1>her family.

462
00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Like and you said this was like a major case,

463
00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:09.960
<v Speaker 2>like that's been like all over the news and stuff before.

464
00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well, because the freaking trial is just a

465
00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:16.920
<v Speaker 1>complete shit show. Kelly is constantly in the news. I've

466
00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:19.559
<v Speaker 1>never heard of this case, Like I means over person,

467
00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:25.000
<v Speaker 1>but she's completely overshadowed, shadowed Rena just just because her

468
00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:28.640
<v Speaker 1>freaking quirt. It's just like a disaster. I'm about to

469
00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:30.519
<v Speaker 1>dive into that. Well, actually I'm diving into the other

470
00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:32.759
<v Speaker 1>people so before Kelly, because I like the other people better.

471
00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Not that I like them, but you.

472
00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Know what I mean in this case where you're saving

473
00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:39.039
<v Speaker 2>the worst for life exactly.

474
00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:44.920
<v Speaker 1>So the following year trials begin February nineteen ninety eight

475
00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:50.440
<v Speaker 1>six girls from the original attack. They were all charged

476
00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:53.799
<v Speaker 1>with assault causing bodily harm, and it ranged from sixty

477
00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:56.839
<v Speaker 1>to one year in youth custody. Of what they got

478
00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:01.039
<v Speaker 1>so they're not named because they're under the Young Offenders Act.

479
00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're not adults.

480
00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:05.759
<v Speaker 1>So some of them have since come forward and opened

481
00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:11.119
<v Speaker 1>up because I mean there's been like books written and

482
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.680
<v Speaker 1>documentaries and stuff, and so some of them have come

483
00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>forward with their their names, like Nicole Cook is one

484
00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:19.880
<v Speaker 1>that I can remember offhand, but I think there was

485
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:21.720
<v Speaker 1>at least three or so that came forward.

486
00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Good on them. I mean, you're a shitty person at

487
00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:28.240
<v Speaker 2>that age, but clearly you're you're grown out of something

488
00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:30.519
<v Speaker 2>and you're becoming a better person. So good on them

489
00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:30.720
<v Speaker 2>for that.

490
00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.599
<v Speaker 1>But then it's also, okay, this is just me being terrible.

491
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:35.680
<v Speaker 1>I think, I know, the guilt will just eat you away.

492
00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:39.000
<v Speaker 1>But then you're also ruining your life two by coming forward.

493
00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they also ruined Riena's life. They did, so

494
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.200
<v Speaker 2>they're doing the right thing they are.

495
00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:47.640
<v Speaker 1>But they have this Young Offenders Act for reasons so

496
00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:51.200
<v Speaker 1>that you can still kind of have a life going forward. Maybe,

497
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:53.920
<v Speaker 1>but no, no, honestly, it's the right thing to do.

498
00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:54.559
<v Speaker 1>It's the right thing.

499
00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:55.960
<v Speaker 2>I know you're going to get to it, so you

500
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:59.400
<v Speaker 2>don't don't say anything response. But I really hope that

501
00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Kelly didn't fall under this and that she gets like

502
00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:05.200
<v Speaker 2>some serious shit here, So I just won't throw that

503
00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>out there.

504
00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Continue well, considering we already know her name, we know

505
00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:14.200
<v Speaker 1>her name right that that's right there, saying that they

506
00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:17.400
<v Speaker 1>faced much worse and their offense was so brutal that

507
00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:19.640
<v Speaker 1>they were tried in adult court and that's why we

508
00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:23.119
<v Speaker 1>know both of their names. So yeah, no, it was

509
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:23.519
<v Speaker 1>not good.

510
00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't put that together. So you could have just left.

511
00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Me in suspense because he gave me a blank look like,

512
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:31.039
<v Speaker 1>what do you mean why? How is it obvious?

513
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:34.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? But no, now I gotcha. Okay, Yeah, you're right.

514
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Warren Warren, I don't know he I feel

515
00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:42.119
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit bad for him, which I just shouldn't,

516
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:46.119
<v Speaker 1>but I just do. So. His parents stayed together basically

517
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.759
<v Speaker 1>to raise him. They did end up getting a divorce

518
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:53.319
<v Speaker 1>at some point in time. His mom was an alcoholic,

519
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:57.119
<v Speaker 1>so he was living with his dad. But his dad

520
00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:01.599
<v Speaker 1>ended up meeting someone when he was in vague and

521
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:04.400
<v Speaker 1>moved to California to be with this woman.

522
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Classic love story right there.

523
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:09.400
<v Speaker 1>But Warren didn't want to go because he wanted to

524
00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:12.880
<v Speaker 1>stay behind with his girlfriend, and so the dad went anyway,

525
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:15.119
<v Speaker 1>and so at the time of the murder, like Warren

526
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>was living alone.

527
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, so he did not have like the greatest

528
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:22.519
<v Speaker 2>atmosphere as a young adult.

529
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Not really. I mean, like you're sixteen years old and

530
00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:27.799
<v Speaker 1>you're living alone. It did say that the dad sent

531
00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:32.799
<v Speaker 1>him regular checks and that Warren's girlfriend's mom would make

532
00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:34.960
<v Speaker 1>him meals and do his laundry and stuff. So I

533
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.599
<v Speaker 1>can't he had some support, but I just feel like

534
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:39.440
<v Speaker 1>that's a little bit young to be living on your own.

535
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:42.720
<v Speaker 2>That's like minimal support. Though you have financial support and

536
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:45.039
<v Speaker 2>someone's doing your laundry and making meals, you don't have

537
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:47.519
<v Speaker 2>someone there when you need them. Oh no, hey dad,

538
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:48.559
<v Speaker 2>can you help me with my homework?

539
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.319
<v Speaker 1>You don't have that, no, or someone even reminding you

540
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.240
<v Speaker 1>to do your homework kind of yeah.

541
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Or you know, wash your sheets. Yeah, you might be

542
00:25:57.720 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 2>doing laundry, but do you remember to wash your sheets?

543
00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:01.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, Hey, it's nine o'clock, it's getting late. You

544
00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:03.039
<v Speaker 2>gotta get up early. You don't have any sort of

545
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.079
<v Speaker 2>family support to you, support, nothing.

546
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:07.200
<v Speaker 1>It's just too young to be living on your own.

547
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:08.799
<v Speaker 2>So it's a bad situation. Yeah.

548
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.200
<v Speaker 1>He was also part of a local gang and to

549
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.400
<v Speaker 1>be brought into this gang, he had to endure a

550
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:19.039
<v Speaker 1>brutal beating, so I almost feel like just the beating

551
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 1>mentality or attacking mentality was just part of maybe his

552
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:26.759
<v Speaker 1>normal day to day life. And then for him being

553
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:29.000
<v Speaker 1>at the attack, he was basically at the wrong place

554
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>at the wrong time. He was there because of his girlfriend,

555
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:36.200
<v Speaker 1>and his girlfriend ended up actually not feeling well and

556
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:40.039
<v Speaker 1>going home, but and he offered to walk her home,

557
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.839
<v Speaker 1>but she said, don't worry about it, which later she

558
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>said she super regrets because I mean, if he let

559
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.400
<v Speaker 1>her walk her home, he would not be in this situation.

560
00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's mistake right there. When you lady says no,

561
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.559
<v Speaker 2>don't worry about it, you worry about it, you.

562
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Do it well. Yeah, honestly, something else would have ended

563
00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:59.880
<v Speaker 1>happening that would have made the girlfriend mad, probably.

564
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Right hashtag always hashtag always honey, Are you upset? No,

565
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:09.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm fine. Yeah, you follow through, you make sure you

566
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 2>do the right thing. Whyse you're in the doghouse.

567
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>So Warren, yeh, fucked up. That was number one fuck up.

568
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:16.400
<v Speaker 2>And that's why I'm trying to earn the Brandie point.

569
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.359
<v Speaker 1>So okay. In April nineteen ninety nine was when his

570
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>course court journey started. He pleaded not guilty. He admitted participation,

571
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>but said he had no idea Kelly was planning to

572
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.519
<v Speaker 1>kill Rena. I mean, I also don't really know if

573
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Kelly went out planning to kill Rena, but he was

574
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 1>definitely part of the situation, yeah, for sure. So in

575
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:43.039
<v Speaker 1>June he was found guilty. He was found guilty of

576
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:46.200
<v Speaker 1>second degree murder. He got life in prison without parole

577
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>for at least seven years, which is the maximum.

578
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:51.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you got the max.

579
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:55.119
<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's interesting if they had been so

580
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 1>they are tried an adult court, but their age still

581
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>help them because if they were say I think it

582
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>was eighteen, that the maximum would have been life in

583
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>prison with at least ten years. So like their age,

584
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>them being young and stuff. Though they were tried as adults,

585
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:13.079
<v Speaker 1>it's still I guess help them.

586
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>It was a factor. It was a factor. But yeah, okay, yeah, so.

587
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:18.039
<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of dates here.

588
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Let's hear these dates.

589
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and one, he appealed, but he did lose,

590
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and they said, you know, you actively took part in

591
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 1>this murder, which yeah you did, Yeah you did. In

592
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and four, he applied for day parol, which

593
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:38.279
<v Speaker 1>he was denied. Two thousand and six, he was granted

594
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>unescorted temporary absences from prison.

595
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh pancy, I know you know what?

596
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is like, I just find this all just

597
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make much sense because you're put like in life

598
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Speaker 1>in prison, but then you end up getting I.

599
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Don't know, there's a lot of cases like that, but

600
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like, Oh, you go into jail for life. Oh,

601
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 2>by the way, would you like to go to the

602
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:02.680
<v Speaker 2>fair this weekend. We're gonna get you some cotton candy,

603
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>have a dandy old time, play some games.

604
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>So I just life in prison. I just don't think

605
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:08.039
<v Speaker 1>is life in prison?

606
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it certainly isn't at this point.

607
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>So in two thousand and seven he was granted full

608
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:17.519
<v Speaker 1>day parole, and then oh I gotta flip my page here. Sorry.

609
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>In twenty ten he was granted like full parole, So

610
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 1>like done.

611
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Basically, I like how we have laptops and phones and

612
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.079
<v Speaker 2>all this stuff, but we're still like going to old

613
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:28.480
<v Speaker 2>school and writing our notes on paper.

614
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I know, I feel like one day maybe I'll do

615
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.359
<v Speaker 1>a tablet, but I don't know. It's kind of nice

616
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:34.319
<v Speaker 1>writing it out.

617
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I definitely I love the field of paper.

618
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you would actually probably fuck up more laptop.

619
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:41.759
<v Speaker 2>I think it would take me a lot longer to

620
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 2>like type it out too, probably with just a job.

621
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Notes I did because my notes were just a freaking disaster.

622
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:51.559
<v Speaker 1>I probably rewrote these like one or two times. So

623
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:52.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you did it on the computer, I

624
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 1>would save you that that.

625
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Amount of time, right plus plus post it notes take

626
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>a look great there in my notes. I have post

627
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 2>it notes everywhere for additional information. I that's not organized technically,

628
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:06.119
<v Speaker 2>it is because post it notes help you organize post

629
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:09.680
<v Speaker 2>it notes. There's an AD's.

630
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is kind of cool because they feel

631
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:16.079
<v Speaker 1>like so weren't just like the poster child of what

632
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:18.799
<v Speaker 1>a person should be like in prison. I'm just gonna

633
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 1>throw that out there. He put a lot of work

634
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>into himself and others while in prison, Like he's he

635
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:29.799
<v Speaker 1>did good. He took rehabilitation courses. He discovered he was

636
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.519
<v Speaker 1>of METI heritage while in prison, and he did this

637
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:36.559
<v Speaker 1>is like super cool. He did a restorative justice program

638
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>with Rena's parents, and I hadn't even heard of this,

639
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>so basically he they they met numerous times Rena's parents.

640
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've told you already they're awesome people because

641
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:52.119
<v Speaker 1>they also were active participants in this. So they met

642
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>with him. He personally apologized to them, and he realized

643
00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the pain that he caused.

644
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's too little, too late, but I don't

645
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.400
<v Speaker 2>think that's kind of their mentality, which is very impressive.

646
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Good on them.

647
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Sueman tells reporters, we would have hoped something

648
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>would have or somebody would have learned something from this

649
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.279
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, basically meaning that Warren did.

650
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

651
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>And then Warren telling Suman and man Jeet that he

652
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>aspired to be as caring and selfless as they were,

653
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Like it was just seemed like they just got this

654
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>all around good relationship. There were stories where they would

655
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>shake hands, they give each other hugs, like they just

656
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:39.839
<v Speaker 1>like really helped him and Warren like he just accepted

657
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:43.039
<v Speaker 1>their help and they had. I mean, it was probably

658
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.559
<v Speaker 1>not the best rely relationship, but as good as it

659
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:46.279
<v Speaker 1>could have gotten.

660
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.240
<v Speaker 2>I think like a Hallmark movie needs to be made

661
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.240
<v Speaker 2>about these parents, not necessarily surrounding this case, but like

662
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.839
<v Speaker 2>they need to be like characters in a Hallmark movie

663
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:57.440
<v Speaker 2>because they're just like wholesome as fuck. Right, shit, I.

664
00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Know they're distrected. I'm going to go on about them.

665
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Let's hear it. I want to hear more good stuff.

666
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say this at the end, but you

667
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>know what, let's dive in here. So Rena, as I said,

668
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>they were just amazing. I mean they were amazing because

669
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>they gave Rena so many chances I feel like when

670
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 1>she did some not great things. Also with how they

671
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 1>handled this Warren situation, and so they turned their grief

672
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>into a national anti bullying campaign. They shared stories in

673
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:26.519
<v Speaker 1>schools across Canada and really turned their daughter's legacy into

674
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:32.559
<v Speaker 1>something that could help others. Farted, Can you don't smell that?

675
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>It is just thru our dog is just the worst?

676
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:46.039
<v Speaker 1>So good job, rip the worst. Okay. So shared stories

677
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>and schools across Canada and really helped turn turn their

678
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:57.440
<v Speaker 1>daughters like still smell it. It's really distracting, like really distracting, Okay,

679
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>So whatever, So they really just like turn their dogs

680
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>legacy into something to help others, which is just fantastic.

681
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're you're letting your daughter live on that

682
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.359
<v Speaker 2>way too, right, which is incredible.

683
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and making it so that maybe something like

684
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't happen to someone else's kid.

685
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, hopefully and ideally Yeah wow.

686
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but and oh my goodness, I'm just gonna have

687
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>to tell you people this and it's really shitty, but

688
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 1>I just have to get off my chest, like for

689
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 1>them being such awesome people, something else bad really happened.

690
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh so, Suman, which is the mom of Rena, I

691
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>think it was twenty eighteen. I just came across in

692
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.359
<v Speaker 1>my research she died from choking in a restaurant. What

693
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>I was, like, what the heck, We're so awesome, they've

694
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>already been put through the frickin' ringer.

695
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 2>No kidding.

696
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Can she maybe just go have a nice meal and

697
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>not choke and not die?

698
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Right? Oh wow? That's ah. Rena's father is probably just

699
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>like he lost everything now No.

700
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean he still does have two kids, Okay, okay,

701
00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 1>so hopefully they're close it. Actually it's interesting and all

702
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.839
<v Speaker 1>the research I never came across anything about the other

703
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:06.079
<v Speaker 1>two kids, so that's really.

704
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Not necessarily a case about them.

705
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>So no, it's not.

706
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure if you looked them up you could find

707
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe some stuff about them.

708
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:18.159
<v Speaker 1>Totally, So that's it for Warren. I'm going to be

709
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.400
<v Speaker 1>jumping into the story of Kelly.

710
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.800
<v Speaker 2>You're ready, I'm ready lay it on me.

711
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So just to like give a little bit of

712
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 1>back history about Kelly, she was definitely had a more stable,

713
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>traditional family upbringing. She was of middle class. Her parents

714
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>were divorced, but her mom did remarry to a really

715
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>awesome guy, and she just all around seemed like she

716
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:46.159
<v Speaker 1>had a happy home life, which was unlike Warren. Really well,

717
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Warren didn't have a bad home life, but

718
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 1>it just wasn't quite as traditional as Kelly's. Gotcha, she

719
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.199
<v Speaker 1>did hung out, hang out with a rougher crowd, and

720
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.920
<v Speaker 1>got in trouble at school. There was other bullying events

721
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 1>also reported. One of them, it's just coming back. I

722
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.519
<v Speaker 1>don't even have a certain dam just coming back to

723
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>my brain. But it was just a couple months before Rena,

724
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.639
<v Speaker 1>and there was a couple other people involved. It wasn't

725
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:14.199
<v Speaker 1>just her, but they attempted to light someone's hair on fire.

726
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 1>What so, like, this just wasn't the first act. She

727
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.599
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't a good she wasn't. I mean, it was

728
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:22.960
<v Speaker 1>just talking about how her upbringing and had a good

729
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.039
<v Speaker 1>home life, but she still was a good person.

730
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>So she's known to bully people, tries to light some

731
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.440
<v Speaker 2>kid's hair on fire. What did the school system or

732
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:32.840
<v Speaker 2>her parents do about this?

733
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know because also in the hair lighting incident,

734
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:40.360
<v Speaker 1>there was two others involved. They got something happened to them.

735
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.519
<v Speaker 1>I didn't dive too deeply into it, but she didn't

736
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 1>get anything.

737
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 2>What how do you not get anything trying to light

738
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:47.480
<v Speaker 2>hair on fire?

739
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Of what class she's in, you know, like she's I

740
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 1>think she's hanging out with people in lower class, and

741
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>then they're taking the brunt at the blame.

742
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Maybe still her parents be like at home, at home.

743
00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:03.199
<v Speaker 1>She should Yeah, I don't know. And so yeah, her court,

744
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:06.159
<v Speaker 1>her court history is just like a shit show. Like

745
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I have eleven pages of notes and I'm only on

746
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.079
<v Speaker 1>page nine. So we get to spend a little bit

747
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of time talking about Kelly, which is so exciting.

748
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Not really because she's a bitch.

749
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:21.079
<v Speaker 1>So her or her court started much court incident history whatever,

750
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.559
<v Speaker 1>so much later it started March two thousand because initially

751
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 1>they just appealed the decision to be have her tried

752
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 1>as an an adult court h okay, like whatever, Like yeah,

753
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 1>what are you appealing? She did a terrible thing like

754
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:36.119
<v Speaker 1>that just has to happen.

755
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she I mean, she should be tried in adult court, like,

756
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.400
<v Speaker 2>no problem, Like, look what she did. She did some

757
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 2>very adult shit, and there's like stuff leading up to it.

758
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I one hundred percent agree that she should be tried

759
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.239
<v Speaker 2>an adult court. And in fact, they tried to appeal it.

760
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean I understand them trying to.

761
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's good lawyers.

762
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, she did get tried an adult court though. Yeah,

763
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:57.159
<v Speaker 2>so I'm glad that they didn't go through the appeal.

764
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.360
<v Speaker 1>So March two thousand, trial started convicted, and she was

765
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.639
<v Speaker 1>convicted of second degree murder. She got life sentenced with

766
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:09.159
<v Speaker 1>at least five years behind bars, which she can before

767
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:11.559
<v Speaker 1>she can apply for parole. But that's the minimum. Remember

768
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Warren got seven years ago. Yeah, so she honestly should

769
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>have just stayed at that, but they didn't. In two

770
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 1>thousand and three, a new trial was ordered, saying that

771
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.119
<v Speaker 1>the crown failed to give her a failed fair trial

772
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:32.199
<v Speaker 1>because apparently the same question was asked to her eighteen

773
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>different times or.

774
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Something, so she should have the same answer eighteen different times.

775
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So basically a new trial was ordered, but she

776
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 1>got to have bail, which I was like, what the

777
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.840
<v Speaker 1>freak why does this chicken to have bail? And it

778
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 1>was the worst decision they ever could make because she

779
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:54.239
<v Speaker 1>was connected with a beating apparently her she was She

780
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:58.440
<v Speaker 1>was drinking with someone in a Vancouver park. They invited

781
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a older like to drink with them, but then all

782
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.559
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, one of them couldn't find their cell phone,

783
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and so they just right away accused this older woman

784
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:09.239
<v Speaker 1>of stealing it and beat the crap out of her.

785
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Are you serious?

786
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So, like she had, she just hasn't changed. She

787
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 1>just hadn't changed at all. So two thousand and four,

788
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:22.199
<v Speaker 1>her second trial started. I just have a little quote

789
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.599
<v Speaker 1>here because she I don't know, I'm maybe being biased here,

790
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.400
<v Speaker 1>but she's mean. So this is just like a total

791
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.639
<v Speaker 1>mean girl quote. I'm obviously going to be convicted. You

792
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:33.760
<v Speaker 1>got what you wanted. My life is ruined.

793
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh her life is ruined. Oh yeah, it's all about

794
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 2>her life that's being ruined right now. Wow, Okay, we

795
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:41.719
<v Speaker 2>can definitely tell her attitude perspective.

796
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>So but guess what. That trial ended in a mistrial

797
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 1>because the jury couldn't make a decision apparently, out of

798
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the twelve people in the jury, eleven were on one

799
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:56.320
<v Speaker 1>side and one was on the other. It didn't say

800
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.440
<v Speaker 1>what side they were on, but I'm assuming eleven thought

801
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.800
<v Speaker 1>that she was guilty, and I guess one person didn't.

802
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, kind of douche Canoe can't realize that there's like,

803
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>she's admitted this stuff.

804
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:08.400
<v Speaker 1>I know that she.

805
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:11.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's killer Kelly. She went around saying and everything.

806
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:13.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean and yeah, and there was tons of people

807
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.599
<v Speaker 1>like witnesses testifying.

808
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.559
<v Speaker 2>And how do you not Okay, there's literal proof in

809
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 2>front of my eyes. I'm not sure, you know.

810
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.639
<v Speaker 1>I find that just weird, like that person fucked up.

811
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.599
<v Speaker 2>No kidding anyway, and if there was like some bribery

812
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.559
<v Speaker 2>or some shit going on, I know, in the scenes.

813
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:33.280
<v Speaker 1>And also, I mean, this is probably so wrong of

814
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:34.880
<v Speaker 1>me to say, but if I was in a situation

815
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.159
<v Speaker 1>where like eleven people were like so adamant of something

816
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.199
<v Speaker 1>that I would just probably be like, yeah.

817
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Like, well, I mean that's not technically right, not.

818
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Right, But like, especially in this case, obviously she's guilty,

819
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Like what are you thinking she's not?

820
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like she's full and admitted this. There's witnesses, there's

821
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:54.719
<v Speaker 2>evidence like wow.

822
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, so that was a freaking disaster. So then she

823
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.320
<v Speaker 1>gets to have a third trial. Oh man, in two

824
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:05.039
<v Speaker 1>thousand and five, the third trial. So she was fifteen

825
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 1>at the first charge. Now she's twenty two.

826
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.360
<v Speaker 2>So and all this time, other than the one time

827
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:12.199
<v Speaker 2>when she beat the crap, I have an old lady

828
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:14.159
<v Speaker 2>in the park. She's been behind bars.

829
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because after she beat the crap at that

830
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.039
<v Speaker 1>it's fifty eight old. Come on, Ben, it's old to me.

831
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:20.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm thirty.

832
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 1>After that beating, she did get put back into jail.

833
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Good.

834
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:29.719
<v Speaker 1>So this two thousand and five trial she gets the

835
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 1>max she so she gets to she must serve seven

836
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>years before she can see parole. So I mean, like,

837
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.159
<v Speaker 1>if she just stayed with this March two thousand thing,

838
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, you would have been better off. Yeah, no kidding, Okay,

839
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.440
<v Speaker 1>but that's not even it. What There was almost a

840
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.639
<v Speaker 1>fourth trial. It went through a lot of steps, but

841
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.159
<v Speaker 1>thankfully it was denied apparently the trial judge. It was

842
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 1>stated the trial judged not properly instruct the jury. So

843
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.079
<v Speaker 1>they even tried to get fourth one. I'm just like,

844
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:02.719
<v Speaker 1>how many freaking chances.

845
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you need here, no kidding.

846
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.119
<v Speaker 1>It was eleven years for the case to work through

847
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the legal system, which is just, and it was the

848
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.880
<v Speaker 1>parents I mean had talked about that too, because that

849
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 1>it's just like such a long amount of time for

850
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.559
<v Speaker 1>them to not really have closed closure, because every time

851
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:25.719
<v Speaker 1>this is in the news or in the trial, there's

852
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.159
<v Speaker 1>reporters and stuff and newspeople wanting to contact the parents

853
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and like get their opinions. They rest they could not

854
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>rest I mean the amount of money that this cost,

855
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 1>tax based stuff, like excuse ma.

856
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Because Kelly's a big old c Next Tuesday.

857
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So she did waive her right for parole four times,

858
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:51.920
<v Speaker 1>which I guess is like a common thing to do

859
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.320
<v Speaker 1>if if you think that you're not ready, if you

860
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.599
<v Speaker 1>don't think you have a chance anyway, well.

861
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 2>She shouldn't have had a chance.

862
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:03.519
<v Speaker 1>She could. She continued to proclaim, you bump the mic

863
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I did. She continued to proclaim her innocence throughout like

864
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 1>numerous years. She never apologized to the family, and apparently

865
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.119
<v Speaker 1>she just I don't even understand how this works, but

866
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.559
<v Speaker 1>she like for a whole year especially, it was just

867
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 1>like a druggie. I don't even understand how they get

868
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:23.039
<v Speaker 1>drugs in prison. But yeah, what the hell, Yeah, that's

869
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:24.519
<v Speaker 1>not even the worst and what she did in.

870
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Prison system, maybe you might want to fucking look into

871
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:28.880
<v Speaker 2>that shit, especially if it's documented that she was a

872
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.280
<v Speaker 2>drug an, like a whole.

873
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Year she was like addicted some serious drugs.

874
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Shee wow.

875
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:38.039
<v Speaker 1>So yeah so she yeah, just I mean, the opposite

876
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:42.599
<v Speaker 1>of Warren. Really. But in May of twenty sixteen, she

877
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:46.840
<v Speaker 1>finally did apply for day parol, which she was denied.

878
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.039
<v Speaker 1>But at that point it did seem like some progress

879
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:54.119
<v Speaker 1>was made for her accepting the responsibility of what she did.

880
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, I would hope she should have made that progress

881
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:57.199
<v Speaker 2>long time ago.

882
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it took her quite a while. Really, Okay, but this,

883
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>so this is just nuts because saying.

884
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>How can this is nuts? What do you mean we

885
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:07.599
<v Speaker 2>haven't heard anything yet?

886
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, so how we were just talking about

887
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Speaker 1>how she got drugs in prison. It was later announced

888
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:17.519
<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen that she had a baby. Kelly had

889
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:18.239
<v Speaker 1>a baby.

890
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what, Kati, You.

891
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Want to know how this happened?

892
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 2>So prior to so mommy and a daddy got together.

893
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, I think you know how that happened. But

894
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.719
<v Speaker 1>how she's in prison, how did she like have a baby.

895
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Speaker 1>So she developed a pen pal relationship with a male

896
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.679
<v Speaker 1>inmate from a neighboring prison, which I just don't even

897
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>quite understand how that happens. And it was approved for

898
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 1>them to have a private conjugal visit when he was

899
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 1>out on day parl And so these conjugal visits, they

900
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.119
<v Speaker 1>seem like a normal thing. But I seem it seemed

901
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:54.920
<v Speaker 1>like it was more so. I mean, you get together

902
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.079
<v Speaker 1>with your parents. It's just a way of you kind

903
00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.159
<v Speaker 1>of getting into the groove of one day being able

904
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.760
<v Speaker 1>to go back into a normal society. Yeah, but I

905
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:03.960
<v Speaker 1>mean I feel like, how is this approved. I don't

906
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.239
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's a you can go have a rendezvous

907
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:07.239
<v Speaker 1>with your friggin.

908
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.679
<v Speaker 2>A lot of situations of conjugal visits being like your

909
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:13.360
<v Speaker 2>your spouse is coming to visit you.

910
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:16.719
<v Speaker 1>In like yeah, so they just have like a little

911
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:19.360
<v Speaker 1>rendezvous in a fancy little cabin, you.

912
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.199
<v Speaker 2>Know, wow, some and good times.

913
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I just I just don't agree with that.

914
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't either, but I mean it is what it is.

915
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:31.280
<v Speaker 1>So the following year after she's a mom, she is

916
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:35.639
<v Speaker 1>approved day release for doctor's appointments. Parenting programs, et cetera.

917
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:38.639
<v Speaker 1>As her and her baby were living in the prison,

918
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:42.960
<v Speaker 1>there's this they have a little area where moms can

919
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:46.320
<v Speaker 1>basically raise their kids in prison. And actually there's some

920
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:49.119
<v Speaker 1>photos that actually clearly nice. So I mean, at least

921
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.639
<v Speaker 1>the kid is having a good worth bringing. I guess

922
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.480
<v Speaker 1>it's I don't know when you say that they're in prison,

923
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:56.880
<v Speaker 1>but I mean it's like a nursery set up in prison,

924
00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:58.599
<v Speaker 1>so the baby has what it needs.

925
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not the child dud's fault. It's been

926
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:03.719
<v Speaker 2>brought into this world there. So I mean they have

927
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 2>a good environment for the kid. That's a good thing.

928
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>So it was reported that the baby had a very

929
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:14.320
<v Speaker 1>positive impact on Kelly's life. It was the best therapy

930
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.960
<v Speaker 1>that she could ask for, which I don't really know

931
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of having a kid should be like your therapy.

932
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:21.920
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I mean as long as it worked.

933
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she I did. I forgot to say this. She

934
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.840
<v Speaker 1>did actually change her name from Kelly to Carrie sim

935
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 1>She's had a second baby, yes, with the same of course,

936
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the same dad and as of right now, so she

937
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.480
<v Speaker 1>does a LIT. She LIT can live away from a

938
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:47.239
<v Speaker 1>residential facility for up to five days each week, so

939
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 1>she's like pretty much out really, So for like two

940
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:54.840
<v Speaker 1>days of the week she is locked up or maybe

941
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.000
<v Speaker 1>in like a halfway house or whatever. But for five days, like, yeah,

942
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.079
<v Speaker 1>she's just a normal person in society with a new

943
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:02.599
<v Speaker 1>name of Carrie sim.

944
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Although she's supposed to be behind bars. Yeah for life, Like,

945
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.039
<v Speaker 2>like you said, life in prison doesn't mean shit.

946
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 1>It's not life in prison. I feel like it's almost

947
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 1>like the parole date is more so what you get.

948
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, okay, but this is a quote from

949
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:20.199
<v Speaker 1>the parole board, which I'm going to leave everyone at

950
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.159
<v Speaker 1>because it just like it kind of just hit me

951
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 1>right in the fields. So the parole board said, the

952
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:29.719
<v Speaker 1>fact that the birth of your child has given you

953
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:34.239
<v Speaker 1>a purpose in life is tragically ironic, as you ended

954
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the life of another mother's child.

955
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent, Like that's hitting the nail on the head.

956
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow boom oh I know.

957
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:49.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so it's good that she finally realized what

958
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:54.039
<v Speaker 1>she done and her having a kid made her realize that.

959
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.559
<v Speaker 1>I guess, like it was just good that it got realized.

960
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 2>But I was just like, but still, she took someone's

961
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.840
<v Speaker 2>life about it, thought it was cool didn't apologize for

962
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.320
<v Speaker 2>how long and then fought all this time.

963
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.079
<v Speaker 1>And her being out there was some stipulation she had

964
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>to follow. She couldn't contact Rena's family, which good, which

965
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.039
<v Speaker 1>right there shows that they don't have any relationship, not

966
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:22.239
<v Speaker 1>like Rena's family did with Warren. And she cauldn't be

967
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>doing any drugs or having alcoholic.

968
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's an everyday person thing. Don't do drugs.

969
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:33.360
<v Speaker 2>They're illegal. That shouldn't be like a, hey, just so

970
00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:37.039
<v Speaker 2>you know you're not supposed to do drugs. That's just

971
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:38.679
<v Speaker 2>a you should know that already.

972
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:44.480
<v Speaker 1>So that's the story, the very tragic story of Rena

973
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:46.599
<v Speaker 1>passing away at fourteen years old.

974
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow, all because of bullying.

975
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:53.519
<v Speaker 1>I know. I mean, And it's kind of the story

976
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>is good in a way that I'm just hoping it that.

977
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's probably affected other people's decisions to

978
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe not bully. I hope so, especially the parents did

979
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.280
<v Speaker 1>so much work. And the really cool thing actually is

980
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.960
<v Speaker 1>so we're putting this out on gosh, what is the

981
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:09.360
<v Speaker 1>date of it going to be?

982
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, on Tuesday?

983
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.199
<v Speaker 1>Tuesday, I don't know. Is that the twenty third?

984
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I think? So I have my calendar here just let

985
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.960
<v Speaker 2>me get it. Twenty third, Yeah, it's a twenty third.

986
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.320
<v Speaker 1>And then the twenty fourth is pink shirt Day.

987
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Funny how that works out?

988
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I know, I oh, I'm slipping away from my microphone.

989
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I did not plan that onsoever.

990
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:31.280
<v Speaker 2>It works out good though, So we should make sure

991
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:33.599
<v Speaker 2>that we get a photo of us in pink shirts

992
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 2>up on Instagram.

993
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>So the story is still carrying on because we're putting

994
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:41.559
<v Speaker 1>out a podcast that's talking about this story. And don't bully,

995
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:43.679
<v Speaker 1>don't be a jerk. Just be a kind person.

996
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't be asking too much my life motto. And

997
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:46.920
<v Speaker 2>don't be Kelly.

998
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, be a person like her normal killer Kelly. Don't

999
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.159
<v Speaker 1>be a killer Kelly.

1000
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Another C word, Kelly.

1001
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:56.280
<v Speaker 1>So that's a wrap.

1002
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow, that is a good I mean, not a

1003
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.719
<v Speaker 2>good case, don't get me wrong. I ask something I meant

1004
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:05.000
<v Speaker 2>to say. That was an interesting case. That was a

1005
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:08.519
<v Speaker 2>harsh case, but a good episode. Wow.

1006
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:12.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, I will. I'll definitely be putting a

1007
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:16.639
<v Speaker 1>picture of Rena up on our Instagram.

1008
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:17.440
<v Speaker 2>And not Kelly. She can fuck off.

1009
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:19.719
<v Speaker 1>No, Kelly has just got enough. I feel like she's

1010
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.239
<v Speaker 1>got too much attention. And it was like, no, I'm

1011
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>done with her, So we'll put up a photo of

1012
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Rina so everyone can see her. And yeah, we'll put

1013
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:32.320
<v Speaker 1>something up about Anti Bullying Day and get where can

1014
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:33.760
<v Speaker 1>people find us? Ben, Oh, you.

1015
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Can find us at Wicked and Grim on Instagram. We

1016
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.760
<v Speaker 2>gotta get a website. Don here pretty quick too.

1017
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Actually boom, Yeah, so go.

1018
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Head over, take a look at those Instagram posts and

1019
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 2>tell everyone, or tell Nicole how she did on her

1020
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:45.679
<v Speaker 2>first episode. I think you did.

1021
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Awesome, perfect. So that's a wrap, and we'll finish it

1022
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:53.559
<v Speaker 1>off with Oh.

1023
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Wait, hold on, I can't yet why I told him

1024
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:57.760
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say what the next episode was

1025
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:02.239
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning, didn't I? I think I did it

1026
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the next episode. I had someone at work mentioned this

1027
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:06.440
<v Speaker 2>to me and I was like, I'm diving into it

1028
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.199
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent. It's the Mad Trapper of rat River.

1029
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to say anything else until you get so.

1030
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:13.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what that is.

1031
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:15.679
<v Speaker 2>But we're going to record this in about five minutes

1032
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.079
<v Speaker 2>and you guys are going to hear it next week.

1033
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:21.280
<v Speaker 2>So until then, stay Wicked, Stay Wicked,