WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.000 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:18.320 What what's going to happen? I think, what's going to. 3 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:33.119 Help before we're like, So they're there to bring the 4 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:37.039 mission to the lodge itself and bring it to tent 5 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:39.960 and get the work done, whether they're bringing new people 6 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.920 in at certain points to initiate them up, or they 7 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.679 have an inner lodge that has its own purpose trying 8 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:51.600 to do its own magic, whatever that might be. And 9 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:54.520 the problem is these lodges are in all of these 10 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:57.159 groups in order to say because you know, you form 11 00:00:57.159 --> 00:00:59.359 a lodge on the Internet by opening up a Facebook 12 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:04.760 group and you know, so they're not being run by adepts. 13 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:08.159 They're running by being run by kids that don't know anything. 14 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:12.799 You know, the adepts already lived, you know, a full life. 15 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:16.400 The adepts you know done, the readings done, the writings done, 16 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:21.799 the creativity can show you the work and you know 17 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:25.599 that's you know, that's just not what's going on in 18 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:27.560 these groups. As a matter of fact, you can see 19 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:29.959 them all day. That's why they can only post pictures. 20 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.760 But Crowley or whatever group they're in, whoever the hero 21 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:33.719 is in that group. 22 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:39.000 That is one thing I noticed about the OTO was like, 23 00:01:39.040 --> 00:01:42.319 they love it. I mean, I get it. I get that, 24 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:45.680 it's whatever he was associated with it. But I was like, like, 25 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:48.120 I feel like they all would take turns sucking as 26 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:50.200 dick if they could. 27 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:50.680 Yeah. 28 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:58.000 Well, the trans ones that and if you get me 29 00:01:58.040 --> 00:01:59.920 started and that, we're really gonna go. 30 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:03.799 Because we'll both get going on that, because that was 31 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:05.680 one of the reasons why I left too, because they started. 32 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:07.760 I was like, Yo, what the fuck is going on here? 33 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.439 Yeah? Yeah, listen, you know what I'm saying up your pants? 34 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:13.439 I want to know what's gonna be there. 35 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:18.280 Oh that is funny. That is funny. 36 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:21.000 All right, So you know what, we'll we as fun 37 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.120 as this is, we'll get into some gnosticism. 38 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:26.719 Uh okay, just for the listeners, just in case if 39 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:27.280 they don't know. 40 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:30.000 Uh yeah to me Nick from the Occult Rejects, and 41 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.919 I got Lisa the Occult reject Mad Scientists with US 42 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.680 co hosting, and today, I'm very very happy to get 43 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.919 this guest on. He reached out to me, and I'm 44 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:43.000 just so grateful. It's wild how that happened. As soon 45 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:45.000 as I checked this stuff out, I had even told Lisa, 46 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:46.639 I said, yoh, this guy is gonna be perfect for 47 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.319 this show, and I'm probably gonna want them on multiple times. 48 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:52.159 And we've already been been bullshitting for twenty minutes and 49 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:52.639 it's great. 50 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:53.280 Uh. 51 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:56.240 We got I guess, author and director of the Church 52 00:02:56.280 --> 00:03:01.000 of LVX, Paul Joseph Ravelli, real quick, just to give 53 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:03.560 give you a couple of ideas. You know, I did 54 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:05.560 mention he was an author. He does have a lot 55 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:09.280 of Thelemic stuff. He has the Starry Gnosis and American Revelation. 56 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:11.879 He's got the whole Magic workbook, the Lima and the 57 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.439 Secret Doctrine, Theosophy and Thelema. He's got three volumes at that, 58 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:19.360 and he's got insights on liber seven and a bunch 59 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:22.319 of all the other books. But uh, definitely gonna go 60 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.919 check out his his list of books. Some interesting stuff there. 61 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:30.280 We got him on to talk about gnosticism, and I'm 62 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.960 really really excited to be able to talk about that 63 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:36.960 because I just keeping it real from the interviews he's done, 64 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:40.319 He's the real deal to me, so I'm very excited 65 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:42.599 to have him come on and actually have a Gnostic. 66 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:43.400 Talk about gnosticism. 67 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.560 So, uh, Paul, real quick, maybe if you want just 68 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.080 let people know like maybe what you deal is what 69 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:51.120 you do, and if there's any way they can contact 70 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.400 you or anything you want to promote your books, your church, 71 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:55.400 please let everybody know what what's up with you? 72 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:01.840 Okay, Well, Paul Joseph Rovaly rovellis and we actually pronounced 73 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.840 the LVX as L like the Gnostic Church of Light, 74 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.719 so that you know, we get it a little formal there, 75 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:17.680 but whatever, I'm an author and a founder, the founder 76 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:22.759 of the Gnostic Church of Light. It is a fully owned, 77 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:29.160 no mortgage building and the first fully owned building Gnostic 78 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:34.639 on the continents of the Americas. So I think we 79 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:39.240 have something very profound here in that we are representing 80 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:44.439 a modern form of narcissism, not ancient gnoscissism. We don't 81 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.720 hate the world at all, as a matter of fact, indeed, 82 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:51.839 we love it. In contrast with the ancient Gnostics that 83 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.399 might that teach that the spirit is trapped in matter, 84 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:59.680 we say, no, the spirit is liberated in matter, and 85 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:03.600 that that's really the key to what we're what our 86 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:07.439 mission is, i'd say, And we're trying to break new 87 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:13.879 ground here in the northeastern woods of the United States, 88 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:19.199 where all of this country's new religion started everything from 89 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:28.439 Transcendentalism to Mormonism. So we're in this fertile ground. We 90 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:36.040 managed to get this building and it's opened me up 91 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:41.439 to so much in that I've come to see the 92 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:45.560 value of the generation of ideas and what that is 93 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.160 in terms of leading one to nosis. 94 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:52.639 I like that. 95 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:56.920 I wanted to ask, well, I guess it's kind of 96 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:59.800 like two questions in one, but like what made you 97 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.360 want to start your church? And like did you did 98 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.319 you feel that your church would be different than like 99 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:08.839 I guess I had something different to offer them other places, 100 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:10.319 kind of like. 101 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:15.600 Like you're you're up or right bart there. Let's put 102 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:20.120 it this way. You're twenty five to thirty five years old, 103 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:24.079 you're married, maybe you have one baby already and you 104 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:28.279 got another one coming. You're on that you're on the 105 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:31.240 ladder trying to get into management or whatever. You're building 106 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:36.160 your career, and you've got this young family and you 107 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:39.079 want to bring them to some kind of spiritual instruction. 108 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.879 So you got the family up, you go to one 109 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:47.000 of today's present day churches, and you know, after you 110 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:49.240 get done with the ones that entertain you with rock 111 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:53.759 and roll bands and all that other crap. You're going 112 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.519 to be told that because you got laid in the 113 00:06:56.519 --> 00:07:00.160 back seat of your car when you were sixteen, that 114 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:04.079 you are condemned to hell forever and everybody that you 115 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:08.279 ever slept with before you got married to Jesus. And 116 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:12.920 you just walk out of those places and you feel dirty. 117 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:20.160 There's nothing spiritual about that. But to have a place where, 118 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:24.519 first of all, we're going to search for your genius. 119 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:29.319 We're gonna help you facilitate the development of your own genius. 120 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.519 We're going to tell you that you're the divine one here. 121 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.759 You know, we're not there to worship any god or gods. 122 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.720 We have holy texts and sacred ideas and we talk 123 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.720 about philosophy, but we create sacred space so that you 124 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:53.079 can take your family with this idea of joy. And 125 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.959 that's what you should get out of religion. That's spirituality. 126 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:00.360 That's no sense when you know who you are difference. 127 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:04.360 You know, all my life, I always wanted to be 128 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.839 a fireman. And then when you get that first job 129 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:13.519 at the hook and ladder man, you're in heaven because 130 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:17.000 you found your genius. You're contributing to your community in 131 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:21.279 the way that you know how Now there's night Monks 132 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.600 of the Lima. We can take you to all kinds 133 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.160 of great heights, but you know you're not looking to 134 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:35.639 give up your kids and move to Tibet, you know. 135 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:41.639 So I think I'm trying to find a way to 136 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:48.799 ignite the imagination again towards creative spiritual experience and creative religion. 137 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:52.919 I'm a child of the seventies. I was a Patti 138 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.480 Smith Free. She was my personal goddess and savior still is. 139 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.480 She was trying to create a rock and roll religion 140 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:05.399 to see through sound, exsta, see through poetry, extra through insight, 141 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:08.519 even in my own rock bands in those days. You know, 142 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:12.080 that's what it was all about. And I find it 143 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:19.399 no different writing sacred texts and going through the psychic 144 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:25.039 experiences of growing up, because that's whole part of it. 145 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:33.320 We all go through these particular milestones in life. They're 146 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:38.320 changing each one of those milestone. I like something, So 147 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:41.480 what about a place God. 148 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:44.559 No, I was going to say what you had said, 149 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:47.080 I kind of want to touch upon. It's very akin 150 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:49.759 to what Nick and I have been kind of going 151 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:55.600 down the rabbit holes of We looked into Hildegarde Uh 152 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:59.559 and we looked into Michael Meyer, Coonroth, and they all 153 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:05.039 had the same elements of music, spirituality, alchemy of some sort, 154 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:09.320 and it was this this trifecta of combining all three 155 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.799 into a spiritual experience. And so when you said that 156 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.679 about music, you know, pay Smith, you saved you, and 157 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:19.919 you're talking about spirituality and the actual community and fellowship. 158 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.879 It reminded me a lot of when we dug deep 159 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:28.840 into their biographies and then their work especially, I would. 160 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:30.879 Say the big difference is that we're not trying to 161 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:36.080 create a communal fellowship. Okay, we're trying to create a community, 162 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.840 and we're trying to find a way to show that 163 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:47.039 everybody has a natural genius, whatever that might be. Just 164 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:51.039 because you know, I'm a musician, I'm an artist, I'm 165 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:54.080 a poet, I'm you know, I got all this. But 166 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.919 you you should not ever come to us and say, well, 167 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:00.840 you know, I'm none of those. You know what I'm saying. 168 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:03.759 You know, I raised well family, I got a cool 169 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:11.360 little job, and you don't realize that that's a creative 170 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:16.039 experience too, you know, especially in the creativity of you know, 171 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:19.480 raising children and turning them into something. And you know, 172 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.320 and we're really looking for that family structure in a 173 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:30.279 lot of ways, because we like lots of artists, intelligence people. 174 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:31.840 I'd like to know that you've read a few books 175 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.559 in your life, you know, that kind of thing we want. 176 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:38.440 We're looking for, you know, quality, not quantity. Again, we 177 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.679 don't want just any family. Don't want the alcoholic parents 178 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.320 down the street. You know, we're not trying to see 179 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:47.879 if anybody. We're not out in front running our little 180 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:54.759 mission and we'll sell some usic clothes downstairs. So you 181 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:56.679 know we're different and we're you know, and we're not 182 00:11:56.679 --> 00:11:58.519 going to scare you. You know, we're not going to 183 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:00.240 tell you know, if you don't come here next Sunday, 184 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.120 you're going to hell, straight to Hell in a hand basket. 185 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:06.519 Do not pass go, do not pass two hundred dollars 186 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:07.360 or collect. 187 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.799 To them that fin There was something, uh, I think 188 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:13.919 I heard you mentioned on another show too of that, 189 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:16.879 and I was kind of impressed with it because it's 190 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:18.840 kind of like an idea that I've even tried to 191 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:22.559 run with my own show. I think you were talking about, 192 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.039 like how you don't really tell people what to believe. 193 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:30.159 You kind of just give them outlets to find it themselves. 194 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.039 Well, even just the opposite. We tell you, listen, don't 195 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.080 get involved with that superstition, because if you believe in anything, 196 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:42.519 it's superstitious. You have to believe in it because you 197 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:47.080 have no proof. We say that there's a way to 198 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:51.480 know the divine. If I know the divine, I don't 199 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:55.159 have to believe in it. It's a I can see 200 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:56.759 the two of you right in front of me. I'm 201 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:00.440 interacting with you. I don't need to believe in you. 202 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:02.159 You're right there, but I know you. 203 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:04.840 Yes, Yeah, I've even. 204 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:06.240 Used like experienced. 205 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.200 Yeah, I use that as an example of was Like 206 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:11.759 someone could tell you Simon tastes great, and you'll believe 207 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:13.679 it it is, but you won't know until you eat it. 208 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.919 Big difference, you you know, but we believe and knowing 209 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.840 and faith and knowing, huge difference. And I think people 210 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:21.720 get screwed up on that. 211 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:28.080 Well, and now let's look at the ineffable divine, the 212 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:32.080 ineffable divine, Well, ineffable. That says it all. So as 213 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:34.799 we begin to even that we call it divine, it 214 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:38.679 would be wrong because once we say divine, it's no 215 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:40.799 longer ineffable. We've made it effable. 216 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:42.840 Well, I even heard you say, just giving God a 217 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.240 name God, that screws it up right there, which I 218 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:47.799 actually was like, nailed it, You totally nailed it. 219 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.440 Yeah, to say that there's a way to get to 220 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:57.879 the divine through direct experience of the divine might even 221 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.000 lead you, because we don't hold no secrets, might even 222 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:05.679 lead you to assume that we might be trying to 223 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:10.120 teach you that you are God. Why do you need 224 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:15.159 to go bend the need to something else? You're already 225 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:19.360 there and you're in a company of God's Is there 226 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:24.360 anything that isn't God? Because if God is infinite, then 227 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:32.960 there is nothing that can't be God. You, me, hitler, sewage, dogs, worms, 228 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:40.840 it's all God. What could not possibly be God? So 229 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.519 I can tell you these words and they maybe I'll 230 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:51.679 get lucky, they'll even be inspiring for you. But without 231 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:57.000 your having that direct experience, without you are coming to 232 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:01.440 that own inner realization, you know, the you know the teenager. 233 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:03.480 You know mom or dad always says, don't do that, 234 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:05.200 don't do that, You're gonna get it and do that, 235 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:06.639 and then you go out and you do that, and 236 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:08.559 you get burned and you realize, oh, now I know 237 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:12.200 why they told me not to do that. Okay, you 238 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:16.679 have to have that. There has to be something that 239 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.440 wakes up inside of you. Or if I gave you 240 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:23.240 the most amazing, beautiful, possible truth that ever could be, 241 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:26.159 that would just put you in permanent all you would 242 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.159 reject it. You'd spit on it. This, you know, the 243 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:35.639 stone that the builders rejected, right, because you're not coming 244 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:40.799 to that place yet where you can apprehend that. We 245 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:44.960 can wrap your mind around it. So to get to 246 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:49.440 that place, well, these are techniques we can give you easily. 247 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.600 And these don't have to be complicated sophisticated mumbo jumbo 248 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:56.360 where you have to make lots of things and buy 249 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.639 lots of groovy robes and we're really cool jewelry. You know, 250 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:07.200 the you know, this is the purveyance of the mind. 251 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.399 And listen, you know, we start with, you know, one 252 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:11.559 of the most simple things I can tell you, read 253 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:16.440 and write, Read the great novels, look at the great 254 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:21.000 masterpieces and painting. And listen to the great musics everything 255 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.159 from blues, jazz and rock and roll back through opera 256 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:28.360 and and and you know, and you know ancient Greek music. 257 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:31.120 Listen to it all. Experience every you know, hope you 258 00:16:31.159 --> 00:16:33.960 can China's song. Experience it all. Some of it you're 259 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.399 gonna turn around as a dumb shit, but some of 260 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:40.120 you're gonna like and and you'll start to see over time, 261 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:45.799 a sensibility grows inside of you. Right on these experiences. 262 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:48.200 What did this? You know? I just saw you know, 263 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:53.000 Picasso's Lugernica today, and really I thought it was kind 264 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:58.200 of crummy looking, you know, or you know, because you've 265 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.159 got to be honest with yourself, right, But then export 266 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:03.240 why did you think it was crummy looking? Well, you know, 267 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:06.440 the cresset Moon's always around, the girls. Ice just really 268 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.599 drove me up. You know, maybe I don't understand cubism, 269 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:12.599 so maybe then you might at some point catch an 270 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:16.720 article on cubism, right, and then suddenly you're opening yourself 271 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:20.599 up to a whole new perception of reality. You know, 272 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:27.400 you start watching better quality films, You start picking up 273 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:32.559 some poets that you thought were idiots and reading them 274 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:38.119 and going, holy fucking shit, this is amazing. And I 275 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:38.880 had that with e. 276 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:41.559 Cummings, but it was Patty Smith that got me there, 277 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:50.920 my personal constance. He uh, So, we can give you 278 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.319 insights into yourself if you follow our sermons you know, 279 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:59.079 we do these public things. We have a full body 280 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:08.319 of is social media tumblr, Facebook, ex Twitter, Tumblr. I 281 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:14.599 read it rather where we have a huge YouTube channel and. 282 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:19.559 I'm doing everything from experimenting with AI knowledge lecture type 283 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:26.079 programs to trying to make more genuine scripted videos that 284 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:32.480 I write myself. I'm not a genius when it comes 285 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:36.119 to computers, as you learned when we started figuring out. 286 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:39.920 I had a hook up on this podcast. So I'm 287 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:43.240 coming to this the hard way. In all my rock bands, 288 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:46.200 I wrote the songs, the guitarists did all the electronics 289 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:47.680 because I didn't have to plug anything in. 290 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.920 That's still cool though, That's awesome. I was I was 291 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:55.000 going to ask you a little bit you talked about. 292 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:58.319 I listened to a podcast that you did with some Brazilians. 293 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:03.200 I love that one. It was so good. I think twice. 294 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:06.359 I really enjoyed all of the information that y'all kind 295 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:10.200 of shared and dialogued between and so it reminded me 296 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.519 of like when you talked about how you have to 297 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.640 experience something. And I think somebody had said that they 298 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.720 started reading a book early on. They didn't know what 299 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:22.599 they were reading, but they just kept reading and you 300 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.559 made the comment like, but you kept reading, and that 301 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:27.920 is the key because later you were going to come 302 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:30.519 back to it, and then it was it was going 303 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.400 to be another layer because you have now experienced it 304 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.119 and you're seeing it through new eyes. 305 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:37.880 Wait, didn't say that exactly. 306 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:39.720 But you were experienced, you had the experience, and then 307 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:43.079 you're reading it again and now you're understanding. But it 308 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.599 was good that you kept reading and right now when 309 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.440 you were talking about music and listen to all types 310 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:52.640 of music, it sparked a bellamy and that like early 311 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:54.440 on I listened to jazz because I was in you know, 312 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:58.359 band as a high schooler. And it wouldn't be until 313 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.920 you get your heart complete letely shattered that you now 314 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:03.960 understand the blues. 315 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.519 Yeah, you can read all the Torch songs that you 316 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:11.279 want to read, eat out, listen to, but you know 317 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:14.079 you need a broken heart before you know we can 318 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:15.359 take the song with meaning. 319 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:18.480 It's the same thing with poetry. You're just reading it, 320 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.279 you're not really understanding. And then when you get that, 321 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:25.839 you know existential moment in your life that you read 322 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:29.000 it again, you're like, I get it, I totally get it. 323 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.839 So it crystallized right now when you were saying all that. 324 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.880 I remember in seventh grade we were forced to read 325 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.000 Ee Cummings and he's the poet that doesn't use capital 326 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:45.240 letters in any of his poetry. And I'm reading this, going, 327 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:49.640 people like this drivel? How could anyone I feel even 328 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:52.160 worse for the guy that wrote it? You know, I mean, 329 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:57.359 I was just there in college. Now I'm an adult. 330 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:00.559 I'm in my early twenty I graduated twenty two. You're 331 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:02.920 probably twenty one, twenty two years old. But at least 332 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:06.000 I've been through a lot of adult experiences at this point. 333 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:11.920 And you know, I'm not a preteen boy. And I 334 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:15.440 chanced on some Ee Cummings. I was very initiated by 335 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:21.720 Patti Smith Domina sinky something but uh, and I turned 336 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:23.519 around and goes, this is some of the greatest shit 337 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.599 I ever read. I mean, it was nearly as good 338 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:37.160 as drugs, and drugs were great. Oh my god, that's funny. 339 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:40.920 But that's what it should be. It's ecstasy. It's all 340 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:41.680 about ecstasy. 341 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:43.319 The other thing I was going to say is that 342 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:46.799 when you had said out, you come to this with 343 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.839 knowing you're not believing. It's not a faith, and that 344 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:55.839 is quite I mean, very quintessential the definition of narcissism 345 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.960 right to know, not to know, not to fit. 346 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.920 But now this is where it gets interesting, because these 347 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.759 ancient gnostics wrote all this crap, and if you join 348 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:10.000 these gnostic groups, they're going to tell, you know, beware 349 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:13.319 of the debi urge and you know, all this crap 350 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.680 and we're trapped in you know, in this world and 351 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:17.880 we got to get ourselves out of it. And this 352 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:23.039 is the ugly place, you know. And yet when you 353 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.799 read the actual texts, like the Valentinians where most of 354 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:31.039 that stuff comes from, when you look at all the 355 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:36.279 eons that emine, there were all psychic structures, you know 356 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:38.319 what I'm saying, and then there's the one in that 357 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:43.759 connects the church with God and all that. But they 358 00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:47.440 were still they were they were doing what you should do. 359 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:52.000 In mythology, you create a symbolism where what you're actually 360 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.960 talking about is represented by something else. Right, So the 361 00:22:57.559 --> 00:23:02.240 the god pan is you know, he's got you know, 362 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:08.559 a certain disposition, and so that disposition tends to represent 363 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.559 that same tree in all of us. That is why 364 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:13.000 the gods were so human, right, you know, they did 365 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:16.079 all the things that humans did, with all our failings 366 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:18.119 and all our virtues. 367 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:19.559 You know, so. 368 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:25.440 I lost my train of thought. 369 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:29.960 You know, you're talking about nacissism. How that Back then 370 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:31.720 they used to go off on tangents. 371 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:36.480 Oh yes, So let's talk about modern gnosticism for a moment. 372 00:23:39.799 --> 00:23:42.480 The basic thing, like you just said to me, was 373 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:47.240 to know. So there's a knowledge, a special knowledge. Okay, 374 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:52.920 well think about it. That special knowledge is your knowledge 375 00:23:52.920 --> 00:24:00.079 of yourself and knowing that the divine is within you. 376 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.720 If it's not already the whole of yourself, it's at 377 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:08.559 least within you, and that's where you're going to access it. 378 00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:16.119 So why are we going to start talking about evil things? 379 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:21.160 Because there's no such thing as good in evil. They're 380 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:25.640 just things. Now, some of those things may be good 381 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:30.039 for me and evil for you. That's just a matter 382 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:36.079 of perspective and taste, you know what I'm saying, And 383 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.480 certainly we will not say do unto others because you know, 384 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.319 if you like to flail yourself at six pm every night, 385 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:45.279 I'm sorry, I'm not joining you. 386 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:53.000 Of like a biology in that you know, you have 387 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:56.640 predator prey interactions. There's no right or wrong, it just 388 00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:58.000 is just. 389 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:01.960 It just is. And you know, the prey to the 390 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:07.160 predator is food sustaining. We kill all day long. Every 391 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:10.640 breath you take is microbes everything you've eat. I don't 392 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.519 care if you just eat plants and you're some kind 393 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:18.839 of veggie weed heead. You're killing the plants. They live, 394 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.960 they have feelings, they reincarnate. It's just a lifestyle. We 395 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:23.319 don't understand. 396 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:24.920 Herbivores prey on plants. 397 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:35.000 It's the same thing exactly. So even your your very 398 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:38.720 first breath, your body comes out of the wound and 399 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:41.839 it took up space. Well, taking up that space was 400 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.079 a violent act. You entered the world and the first 401 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:49.960