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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, you can email the show at radio at

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the Federalist dot com. We love to hear from you. So, Mollie,

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we were taping our show last week. Right after we

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were done taping, like right after, I think, I, you know,

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I saw the horrible news that Charlie Kirk has been

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assassinated at Utah Valley College University. But yeah, university, and

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I don't know, this is a tough one. What was

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your which how'd you find out? What was your reaction?

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Speaker 2: I was I was on a phone call with someone

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who said that Charlie had been shot, and I, you know,

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sometimes these reports come out and this is you know,

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I sometimes way too skeptical of everything. So my first

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thing was to assume that it wasn't true. Not assume

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that it wasn't true, but hope it wasn't true, you know.

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Started seeing that it was being reported all over the place,

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immediately got off the phone, dropped to my knees in

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prayer and just prayed and I knew at that point

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that it was very unlikely that he would survive, but

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I also knew that a miracle could happen, and so

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I was just praying that somehow God would preserve his

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life and that he wouldn't die. I mean, I don't, yeah,

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how about you.

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Speaker 1: I I since I didn't really know Charlie Kirk. I

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met him a few times. I wouldn't say that he

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probably even you know who I was or anything, but

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I was hit really hard by it. And so there's

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kind of an immediacy because of the Internet and social

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media and everyone's cameras that you were like almost there

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for it in a way, And it was just horrifying

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to hear the shots, to see him there honestly, to

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witness the death, you know, and the shooting in a

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way that I don't think people ever have before unless

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they were there. So all of that's terrible. It's just

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thinking about his family. It was just it hit me

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very hard, even though I didn't really know him in

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any sort of you know, we're in friends or anything.

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And I know that a lot of people who knew him,

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like you know, had just great things to say about

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him and how he conducted himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting. I have known him for so

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long that I literally don't remember when I met him.

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I mean, I do know that he he had become

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so we had become much closer in recent years, and

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I'd been doing his show quite a bit in recent

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years because when he started, it just kind of wasn't

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my jam. I am not saying anything like against what

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he was doing, but he seemed like really into fiscal

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conservatism on college campuses and talking a lot, and that's

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just I know we talk a lot too, but it

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just wasn't my thing, and it wasn't what I was doing,

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you know, in the media space. And in recent years,

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I think people are starting to get a feel for this.

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He had become quite influential and important to the movement

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he had. He was only thirty one, but he was

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really wise beyond his years on big picture things. I

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know these are all not things that you love, David,

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but I think you would recognize that they're important, like

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how he brought RFK and on Trump together for a

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very powerful, like political moment. In that moment at a

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talking sorry, my abbreviation for TP is talking points like

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on Fox. They'll be like, what are your tps? So

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I keep on saying that right turning point USA. That

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happened at a turning point USA event. You know, it

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was so cinematic. It was not just the importance of

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what was happening, but how it happened was iconic. And

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he had been really important at showing a way for

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the conservative movement to go forward in a way that

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is both principled and popular. And sometimes people are way

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too much on one side or the other, and he

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understood that you don't change things if you don't win elections,

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and you don't win elections by going into crazy little

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niches or cutting people out of the movement. Kind of

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like the opposite of a gatekeeper, like a shepherd, who

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was trying to help people get in the right direction

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overall while keeping the movement strong. Sorry, I'm kind of babbling,

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and I probably will babble for the rest of this podcast.

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But everyone's noticing how much he did for college kids

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and young people, and that is very true, but it's

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also really important what he was doing on the big

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picture stuff as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I am when I say, you know that I

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kind of personalized it in a way. Don't mean to

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say that I was in that of any kind of activists,

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like like, I don't even think we were like I

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do anything like he did again, and he did it

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in a very influential and widespread way, and I do

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it in a very small way. But I'm I think

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of myself as a writer in pundant. He's an activist

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from the beginning. He wants to convince people to vote

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a certain way, to move a certain way, and both.

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remember where and stuff, and I think I met him

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like two three times. He wasn't like this influential yet,

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you know, he was just at conferences. And I have

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to say that my view of him has changed after

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his death. And it's sad to say this because you

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don't have the time sometimes to delve into everything a

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person is doing out there. But if you just followed

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him on Twitter or just so snippets of him speaking

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and his podcast, I don't think you would be as

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impressed as if you watched him debating students on campuses.

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To me, that's the most impressive thing that he did.

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A bunch of people have sent me emails and tweets

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where they're like, is this you know, where I'm disagreeing

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with Charlie Kirk about something And it makes me laugh

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because it seems to me like Charlie Kirk was really

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into debating issues and having disagreements with people, right, And

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I don't think the idea that you have to agree

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with someone all the time, but still you know that

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something happens to them like it's on you, or that

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you're not still impressed by what they accomplished, or you're

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not or you'd want anything bad to happen to them.

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I think speaks to kind of a little bit of

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what's wrong in society, you know, where people think words

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are violence, where people think, you know, if you disagree

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with someone, you hate them. I didn't, you know, before

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his death, have very much. You know, I didn't form

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an opinion about Charlie Kirk as a person because I

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didn't really know him. But seeing him in those videos

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debating all comers at college campuses, it's like, exactly, it

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exemplifies the best of what our country's supposed to be about.

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not to say, oh, we're all unified, or he agreed

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with everyone, but he took on everyone and you may

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disagree with us. I don't know, but Georgia will compare

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him to William Buckley in a way, who also began

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his career like on a college camp, is debating a

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massive people who disagreed with him. And I actually think that,

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looking back now, that their reach is in a sense

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kind of comparable. I mean, in very different ways and

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with very different styles.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's comparable. Really really well, maybe that's

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not fair. I think.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're too close to the moment to really know, but

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I think you get killed when you're really important. Not always,

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but you know, it's a it's a risk that increases

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with the more import that you have, you know, JFK, MLK, Charlie.

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I know they were all killed by individuals or possibly networks,

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you know, depending on how you look at it. But

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they were very important people for the country, and they

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were disruptive individuals. Not that all disruptive individuals get killed.

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But there is something I wanted to say that's like

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tangentially related, which is that I saw a bunch of

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people on Twitter saying and maybe you did this too,

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and I don't have a problem with it, but I

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just wanted to explain something about it. You'd see people

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say I didn't agree with Charlie Kirk, but it's wrong

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that he got murdered. You know. It's like, Okay, well,

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I'm glad you needed to clear your throat there to

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say that you didn't agree with him. It's actually not necessary.

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think about is what this was like for those of

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us who actually did agree with him, you know, broadly.

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I'm sure there are individual things maybe out there, but

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this sorts a lot more for just like the tens

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of millions of people who say, yeah, I also do

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not believe men can become women, or I also am

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a Bible believing Christian and that is the root of

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everything that I do, and that's what motivates me in

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every way. I mean, this is a massive issue for

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those of us who know not just that there are

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people out there who want to kill us for our viewpoints,

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but also, like you know, there are ways in which

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the response to Charlie Kirk's assassination have been as horrifying

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as the assassination itself. So for a lot of Americans,

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we're seeing our neighbors, our supposed friends, sometimes family members,

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like cheering on the assassination, celebrating it, mocking it down,

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playing it. Very It's that response that I think is

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almost going to be more. It's going to do more

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about what happens next than the actual assassination itself. Does

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that make sense at all?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's it's terrible in a different way. Obviously,

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there's a personal toll that's just terrible, obviously if you're

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family and people who knew him, and then there's a

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political toll or cultural toll. I think I would say this,

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I don't love the thorough clearing. Don't appreciate that you

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assume that I had done it, or maybe it had

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Speaker 2: I don't. I'm just I'm not I'm trying to say

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just wanted to explain that it's worse for those who

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do agree.

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Speaker 1: I don't love it, but also I do understand that

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there I do understand and actually kind of appreciate when

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someone says that it's kind of ham fisted, But what

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they're saying is that it's not okay. You know, even

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if you disagree with someone like I did, I still

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think this is terrible. I don't know there's a better

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way to express that I avoided it on purpose because

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so many people did it, and I do think a

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lot of the condemnations by a lot of the political

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people on the left were perfunctory. Now, there's no way

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I can prove that they were earnest about it, you know,

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very much, or that it didn't mean that much to them,

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was just angry about it. But yeah, let's talk about

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the reaction now, before we even get to what a

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lot of Democrats immedia did trying to paint the killer

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as some kind of you know, right wing nut or whatever.

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All of that would have been irrelevant considering we saw

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thousands and thousands, I would say, right, I don't know,

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I'm exaggerating people online.

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Speaker 2: Hundreds of thousands. I'm not saying we saw it all,

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I, on a personal level know people that

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I would never have imagined would kind of be So

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I wouldn't say celebrating about nonchalant about something like this.

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I just want to quickly say, I think Charlie Kirk.

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I won't call him moderate, but I call him right

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in sort of the on most things, right in the

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center of where the Republican Party is, which let's say

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is around fifty percent of the country. It's not like

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he was some kind of extremist. I don't care what

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anyone says. I haven't heard him. Listen, there's always hyperabolean politics,

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and it happens. I'm not saying everything he said was

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perfectly crafted. The guy probably spoke all day every day

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about politics, right, But in general I would say he

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was a pretty I don't like the word moderate, but

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just a mainstream person who is a Trump voter. Right.

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something to do with ideology. It has something to do

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with the continuum of politics on the left that goes

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back a very long time where violence and again no

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one has a man on it, but the violence of

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the left is ingrained in the ideas of the progressive left.

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I will just I mentioned this on Twitter and people

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got angry about it, but I just was thinking out loud.

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I used to go to Seapack every year, right, I

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never saw anyone wearing a T shirt or selling a

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book celebrating a murder or any kind of terrorism or

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anything of that nature. And then I went to the

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from terrorists and murderers, and Angela Davis and Chay Guvera.

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You know what I mean, Like id is ingrained in

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the progressive left, the violence just generally speaking. You did

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a poll and some people said this was good news

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that only twenty five percent, you know, of very liberal

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people thought that violence was justified in American politics. A

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quarter of very liberal First of all, you're not liberal.

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of that. But very conservative people only three percent said

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that was okay. So clearly this is something that's happening

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on the left, especially among the young. I think around

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one of the polls I forgot who it was, maybe

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fire Haad of Colleges showed that I think a third

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of students stud violence was acceptable to stop campus speech.

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And Molly, you know this very well. I mean, you know,

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we've been around campus speech problems like this, people shutting

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down conservatives. It's not like a maga thing. They've been

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doing this since the Bush administration. They've probably been doing

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this since the sixties, you know, or even before. It's

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not like some new problem that a conservative can't speak

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at a college campus where it's supposed to be a

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place where ideas are exchanged. So you have to give

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Kirk so much credit for just showing up all the

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time in front of a very big crowd, taking on

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anyone on any question they had. I just think it

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really exemplified the best.

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Speaker 2: This is a bit of a tangent, of course. Yeah.

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I was never the type of person on the right

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who fit in very well. Like I knew I was

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deeply socially conservative, but my philosophy, such as it was,

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was libertarian. But the Libertarians knew I was not one

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of them and sort of treated me that way. But

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I hated the Republicans and I thought they were so awful.

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and I wish I could find it there's no way

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to find it. But do you remember how National Review

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Speaker 1: And I think it was I wrote for the corner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sorry. I saw someone in there talking about a

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poll showing that this is a long time ago, but

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it was a poll showing that very few college students

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believed in free speech. And someone was pooh poohing the poll.

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it was like Stanley Kurtz is like this is not good,

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and someone else was like, I don't know. You know,

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when people are in college, they believe all sorts of

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silly things, and then they get out into the real

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world and then they become more conservative, so it's okay.

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And I remember thinking like, that doesn't sound like the

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right response to this horrific number of college students opposing

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freedom of speech. And it's just a reminder of how

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poorly people handled everything that has led us to this moment.

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I was at the vigil for Charlie at the Kennedy

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Center on Sunday, and I was talking to some friends

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who are just older and they were saying we should

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have done more to stop the less left in the sixties.

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And that's kind of what I'm just realizing when you

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see these large numbers of people celebrating or large percentages.

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You know, Rasmusen had a poll showing fifteen percent of

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the country thinks it's better for the country that Charlie

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Kirk was assassinated for being a conservative, Like, that's a

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it should be zero, and fifteen is a crazy high number. Right.

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Speaker 1: Also, I always think with these polls that there are

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there has to be a percentage that doesn't give their

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true views because they understand that socially, it sounds terrible

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to say that violence is okay. Still, you know what

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not being captured by those polls. I'm not a big

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believer in polls, but you know, it gives you a

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trend or an idea of where people are right well,

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and it's not. I just don't know what you think

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people should have done in the sixties to stop violence.

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I mean, on campuses, what can you do within the

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confines of I mean, you can ye go on no, thanks.

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Speaker 2: For because I think that part of this has been

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about there are some systematic weaknesses in the conservative ethos,

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like we tend to be minding our own business, we

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tend to avoid conflict, we flee from conflict, actually, I

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think would be the thing. And so I think that

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when people just uttered things in their day to day lives,

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like family members and friends, that conservatives should have spoken

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up much more and said that's actually that's a very

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bad thing, and you shouldn't say that, rather than being like, oh,

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live and let live, you know which, of course you

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could you live and let live, but to actually make

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the case against some of what was being said, to

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definitely hold our media more to account.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's liver let live. I don't

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you know that that that like liber let live makes

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it sound like it was a libertarian problem. But how

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many people are libertarian in world? Very few? Really, I

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think conservative if you're dispositionally conservativeative problem, I know, I know,

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but I just think you're my You don't want to

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involve yourself in any kind of radicalism, or you don't

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want to be on war footing constantly against your fellow citizen, right,

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and I don't really think that I want that in

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this country. Either I don't really have I'm going to

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have zero answers for any of this, or most almost zero.

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But it's very difficult for normal people who want to

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live in a civilized society to constantly be on a

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war footing against this faction of people who live by

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Sololenski's rules all the time. You know, demonize, and you

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know your your opponent, you know, destroy them, And we've

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largely avoided that. Even in the sixties, the vast mage

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already people weren't that way. In seventy two, Nixon ran

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away with the election against the left wing candidate because

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most people were not that way. It was like confined

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to college campuses. But now these people run all our

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media organizations, they run our government, a lot of places.

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I think that that that's the real danger. More people

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go to college, more people have stupid degrees, right, more

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people have stupid ideas. We have I'm all over the place.

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I'm sorry, and honestly, I'll tell you I feel a

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little bit helpless. You have this, this person, this killer,

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who grew up in a conservative environment, right with conservative parents.

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So something else is rotting away at our culture. Maybe

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it's social media, maybe it's the schools, maybe you know,

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or maybe it's all It's probably all those things. I

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don't know.

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Speaker 3: Gen Z's behavior in the workplace is staggering. The watched

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and how it affects your wallet. Seventy seven percent of

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gen Z admitted to bring a parent to job interview,

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while seventy three percent of parents help them complete their

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work assignments. Should this be a sure way to get fired?

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Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

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it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Be informed.

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Speaker 3: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris

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Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the things that I've found so wonderful

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about the response to Charlie's assassination, that people are understanding

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that he was completely motivated by his faith in Christ,

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and he would you know, he himself did say this

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a ton When people would be like, you're really good

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at pre speech events and things like that, He's like, well,

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you know, my main thing is that I want to

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share the gospel, and my main thing is I want

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people to know that we are all sinners and that

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we are saved by Jesus. And that's like the whole thing.

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And you see it in some of these clips where

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people will come up and they're just clearly hurting individuals,

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you know, either it just they seem to be messed up,

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and he they ask a political question and he responds

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by talking to them about Jesus. And I also think

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a lot of people recognize that our problems are not

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going to be solved politically.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that this.

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Speaker 2: Is a much deeper issue and this is a spiritual battle.

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And so when you say, like all these different things

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that played a role here for this guy, clearly he

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was heavily influenced by left wing ideology. He's very open

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about that. One d percent of the insights about him

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are all that way.

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Speaker 1: But also it.

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Speaker 2: Seems there's sexual perversion in play. The sexual perversion is serious,

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you know, and I think people should be careful when

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they play around with stuff like that that it allows

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really dark things to enter in and we've just like

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lost all the guardrails for how to not go into

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the completely demonic in our society, and he is a

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good example of that. I think, I don't know, we

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don't know everything that we'll find out here.

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Speaker 1: Well, we just one last thing on that is that

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obviously there's a decline in religious faith. There has been

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over the decade decades, and there's a decline in the

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belief that America stands for things or that we share

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find foundational ideals about the world. And when that's a vacuum,

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you're going to have radical and transgressive and perverted ideas

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filling that vacuum and lifted up to right meaning rite

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like I did up to kind of almost really like

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people talk about transgender genderism is almost like a religious quality.

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Speaker 2: Is a religion de so and one that is practiced

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like the high priests of it are in our media

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and are like the enforcers the inquisition is in our

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censorship tools. But it's totally religious. So there are many

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things in play here. And now, obviously political violence is

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not new in this country or anywhere else. It's it's

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going to occasionally happen. The scarier part to me, as

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you mentioned, is not that there's an act of political violence,

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but that there's a celebration of that act and acceptance

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of that act, justifications of that act. I guess you

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should talk about the media coverage, you know, right off

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the bat, I noticed this right off the bat.

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Speaker 1: What's his name, Matthew Dowd was on MSNBC. He was fired.

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He basically said that, basically said Kirk Kirk had it

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coming or that, or that, you know, his hatred would

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blow back at him or in a way in violence.

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But Katie Tour is that a tour was on there

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and she and many others immediately described Kirk as divisive,

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you know, controversial. These are words that are almost always

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used when you're talking about a conservative and never used

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when you're talking about someone on the on the left.

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And this is you know, how they the left talks

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about othering. This is what I feel like they're doing,

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because anyone who makes a political statement in the world

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is immediately divisive. That's why we have politics, that's where

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we discuss those things. But for the liberal they think

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their ideas are sort of ground zero common sense. Any

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deviation from that is controversial. And this is part of

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kind of the framing of American politics that they've been

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involved and for decades now, and Kirk was no more

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controversial than you know, Bernie Sanders, who never gets that label,

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or you know whoever on the left. So I don't know,

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there's so many facets to it, but I think this

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has been like a slow boil in making it seem

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like conservative people are just Unamerican or out of touch

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or weirdos, or you know, divisive in a way that

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is Unamerican, when I don't. I don't think any of

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those things are true, even when I disagree with them.

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Speaker 2: So back in twenty sixteen, the media strongly believed that

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there was zero chance that Hillary Clinton would be defeated.

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They mocked the idea. They never spent any time interrogating

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the ideas of Donald Trump or even like remotely attempting

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to understand his appeal. They claimed that his appeal was

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entirely based on his personality because they were so consumed

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with hatred for his ideas and he has this outlandish

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personality that they found that like any easy way to

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attack him, and they failed. They failed to even spend

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a minute trying to understand why Donald Trump actually had

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a chance at winning. And if you go back and

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you look at the polls, contrary to the media coverage

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that made it seem like a foregone conclusion and that

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only complete idiots would vote for him. He always had

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a shot at not always, but he was like he

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was building in momentum and he had a shot. Or

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even understanding why he won the Republican primary would have

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been a start instead of the mocking and the derision

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and after he wins. It was a humiliating experience for

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the media because they and their wisdom and their control,

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they had told everybody that there was no need to

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worry and that Donald Trump couldn't possibly win. They had

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00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:57,319
just parroted their fellow Democrats who are elected leaders, saying that.

479
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And what should have happened when they were shown to

480
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:06,440
be so wrong was an immediate repentance. No repent means

481
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,680
to turn away from your sin, not just to be

482
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:13,039
sorry for it, but to turn away from it. They

483
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:17,160
should have said, Wow, we are evil and we're awful

484
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,359
at our jobs, and so we're going to make major changes.

485
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,240
We are going to first of all quit and go

486
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,720
into a different line of work because we couldn't even

487
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,920
accurately cover the biggest story of the year, and we've

488
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,400
been having trouble prior to twenty sixteen, or you know,

489
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,799
if they didn't want to go to that extreme, they

490
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:38,400
could say, what if we hired like a single conservative,

491
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,960
would that help us? No, you know, not just a

492
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,519
single They should have hired a majority, and they should

493
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,960
have elevated anybody who had spoken out against them, and

494
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,200
they should have demoted anyone who created this like really

495
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,680
weird environment in twenty sixteen. And instead what they did

496
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,480
was say Donald Trump was a Russian asset who stole

497
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:06,400
the election, and we cannot normalize Republicans, and we're going

498
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,200
to increase our calls of him as Hitler and a fascist.

499
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:12,200
And by the way, did you know you're supposed to

500
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:16,839
kill Hitler and fascists? Right, So they created the entire

501
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,559
environment where people were afraid to put out yard signs,

502
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:25,480
where they were afraid to wear paraphernalia showing their own hats.

503
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,079
This gave a permission structure to prominent Democrats to get

504
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:32,640
out there and say, any time you see a Republican

505
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:37,319
in public, beat him, make him feel unwelcome, go to

506
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:42,400
their homes, make their lives miserable, which created like bigger

507
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,480
permission structures for actually trying to assault or successfully assaulting

508
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:51,160
Republicans and their voters. And this has been going on

509
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,680
for years, leading to the worst thing of the assassination

510
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:01,640
attempt on Donald Trump, and even and I was sort

511
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,039
of like, you know, just like I'm thinking of all

512
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,480
these different things. Joe Biden gave his blood red fascistic

513
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,880
speech saying that half the country is a threat, like

514
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,960
it's amazing that more left wingers have not followed their

515
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:21,480
leader's call to engage in widespread violence. And then we

516
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:24,799
get this assassination, and we get the media saying, read,

517
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,039
you probably man bou shades. There's not a problem on

518
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,200
both sides. It's not to say that there isn't political

519
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,680
violence across the spectrum throughout history. Of course there is.

520
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,519
Human nature is sinful, but it's a lie to say, well,

521
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:43,240
we can point to I mean, like, if you're gonna

522
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:51,880
be really honest about it, the like the clear cut

523
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:56,000
example of right wing violence would be the guy who

524
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,319
killed someone in Charlottesville, right, Like, you can't say because

525
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,119
everyone was like, well, nobody seemed to care when Melissa

526
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,680
Homan or what was her name, sorry, in Minnesota.

527
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,359
Speaker 1: I think that's the name. But I'm not about one

528
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,240
hundred percent sure.

529
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:13,799
Speaker 2: Okay, so she was assassinated along with her husband, and

530
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:15,640
they're like, what, there wasn't this big thing?

531
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:16,039
Speaker 1: Okay.

532
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:21,799
Speaker 2: First off, literally zero people on earth celebrated it. Literally zero.

533
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:26,720
I mean, to my knowledge, nothing rose to the point

534
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,440
of detection in terms of celebrating the assassination of a

535
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:36,160
woman and her husband. Secondly, the dude was clearly in

536
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,119
the midst of a psychotic break right. He was a

537
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,519
Waltz appointee. Waltz is the Democrat governor. He also had

538
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:47,319
some conservative stuff in his past, but he also had

539
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,480
no kings flyers, which was like the protest the Soros

540
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,920
fundid whatever or left wing donor funded protest movement of

541
00:32:53,960 --> 00:33:01,599
the day. And again, nobody celebrated it. There's just no comparison,

542
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,799
and it's a lie, and people need to stop lying

543
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,480
at a time like this, like the country must unite

544
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:13,119
against the very serious and long standing problem of left

545
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,880
wing violence.

546
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of violent people engage in criminal behavior

547
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:23,119
against some well known politician, don't you know, are not well,

548
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,920
don't have coherent political philosophies. They are always just immediately

549
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,960
thrown in with the right wing if they say anything

550
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,839
remotely right wing. But this murder is so clearly political.

551
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,680
Someone online I wish I could have remember, made the

552
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,160
you know, offered the example. It's like comparing John Hinckley

553
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,680
Junior or shooting Reagan to the murder of MLK junior.

554
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,319
One is clearly a political act driven by the mood

555
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:50,319
of a you know, a certain faction in the country,

556
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,480
and the other was just a crazy person, let's be honest.

557
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:57,119
So that that is for sure. And I'm going to

558
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,720
write about this, but there are several I've never written

559
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,680
about it in the past, but there are several studies

560
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:07,400
that people will throw at you to prove that left

561
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:09,760
right wingers are far more prone to violence than left

562
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,639
wingers virtually. I mean, I haven't seen every one of these,

563
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,400
these alleged studies, but the ADL and others that I

564
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,639
have looked at are complete garbage. Okay, It's like they

565
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,239
count virtually. I'll give you an example. God, I can't

566
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,119
remember the name of the which study this was, but

567
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,280
one of the studies they take the Las Vegas mass

568
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,119
shooter killed fifty some odd people, and they put him

569
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,119
in as an anti government nut and they make him

570
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:40,280
right wing right. They make the killer at the Pulse

571
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,119
nightclub in Florida, A right, you know, it's like a

572
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,079
social conservative killer or whatever it is. They take gang

573
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:51,119
violence between two gangs of white supremacist over drugs and

574
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:57,079
claim that it's political violence. So those if you throw

575
00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,239
those at me, I'm just telling you, I don't buy

576
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,639
them at all. When you look at yesterday in the news,

577
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,639
I had three stories come into my feed almost at

578
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:08,000
the same time. When was about the would be assassin

579
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,800
of Donald Trump. One obviously he's a Charlie Kirk killer,

580
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,599
and then there was a story about a judge downgrading

581
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:17,880
the charges against the killer of a healthcare ceo insurance ceo.

582
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:24,559
The same day those three high profile assassination attempts and attempts.

583
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:31,039
Speaker 2: The Luigi Mangioni assassination of a citizen who he chose

584
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:36,880
as a symbolic target of capitalism or something or corporations,

585
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:43,719
who has a massive following on the left, including prominent

586
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:50,239
members of the media, like, I'm just sick of the lies.

587
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:52,119
I don't know what to do. It actually makes me

588
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:58,639
feel extremely frustrated to the point that's unhealthy. And I

589
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:05,760
saw a very prominent member of Congress last night give

590
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,239
a speech he was so nice, and he's like Charlie,

591
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,360
cared about free speech and free speech is good. And

592
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,800
he's in a position of immense authority, and it actually

593
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,440
terrified me to see that he was in He had

594
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,199
no desire to save the country none, or it was

595
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,079
like he was living in nineteen fifty six or something.

596
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,000
He just had no clue what was going on and

597
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:37,559
what would be needed to deal with it, like total

598
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:44,159
bearing head in the sand kind of speech. It made

599
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:47,840
me scared. Actually, I just want these Republicans to understand

600
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:50,719
when they go out there and they say, well, oh,

601
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,400
I actually heard Steve Deese say this. Another thing recently,

602
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,239
he referred to James Langford, the Senator of Oklahoma, as

603
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,480
genuflecting before CNN instead of going to church on Sunday,

604
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,440
a reference to how James Langford went on corrupt, disgusting,

605
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,400
lying propaganda network CNN and agreed with them that that

606
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:19,679
both sides have a political violence problem and both sides this,

607
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,320
and we've got big problems on the right too. And

608
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:27,679
I'm sure it felt good for him to not get

609
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,039
yelled at by the CNN activists and left wing propagandists

610
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:34,119
and liars. I'm sure that felt good, but back in Oklahoma,

611
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,000
he let down his entire state, he let down the

612
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:41,639
entire country, And it's terrifying. If you don't do what

613
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:45,880
you need to do to take down left wing violence,

614
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,239
you're going to have a very bad situation. And I

615
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,840
don't want to say, you know, like I hope they understand.

616
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:56,280
You don't want a hot war, and there is risks

617
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,159
of that if you do not do what needs to

618
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:06,320
be done to address left wing violence. Like we're all

619
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,960
unified in general on right wing violence being bad, we're

620
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,239
not unified on left wing violence being bad.

621
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,679
Speaker 1: We need to be, yes, we do need to be

622
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:22,039
We need to stop excusing it, we need to stop well,

623
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,800
the left needs to stop doing that. But the problem

624
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,000
is that I saw a poll again it's a poll,

625
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:35,719
but whatever that was taken and only about the ideological

626
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,719
you know, ideas of the shooter, and only eight percent

627
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,760
of Democrats knew that he was, you know, he had

628
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,480
left wing ideas. So they live in a bubble. And

629
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,440
maybe we all live in a little bit of a bubble,

630
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,440
but that's a hermetically sealed bubble over there, because there

631
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:57,920
is there is it. This was clearly from all the evidence,

632
00:38:58,079 --> 00:38:59,440
this was a political.

633
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: What's the piece of evidence that the assassin targeted Charlie Kirk.

634
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:12,360
I mean, like, it's not even it's not like a

635
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,840
huge mystery. It's not surprising that the family and friends

636
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,840
are all like, yeah, he was going down a spiral

637
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,760
of left wing activism. That's not surprising because he killed

638
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,039
Charlie Kirk. But what you saw. I actually went over

639
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,079
to Blue Sky, which is this like terror cell social

640
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:33,079
media place for the left, and on blue Sky, prominent

641
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:35,559
people were saying that the guy who did it was

642
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:39,119
a groper, which I actually don't I should know more

643
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,320
about what precisely makes a groper, but I think it's

644
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,199
like a racist follower, or it's a nick point to

645
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,480
this follower or something like that, and that's not true obviously.

646
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,159
And they had these like elaborate conspiracy theories they were

647
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:55,079
constructing in real time to say that it was someone

648
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,280
you know, supposedly on the like real far right who

649
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,400
murdered Charlie c for not being far right enough. It

650
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,079
was insane.

651
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm not saying that that's implausible that

652
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,079
at something like that can happen, but it didn't happen.

653
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,719
And also there was never any evidence that that was true,

654
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,559
never any evidence. But right away I have to say that, Well,

655
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:19,960
I want to say one thing about the media. I

656
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,559
forgot to say, so everyone, I think there were some

657
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,239
voices out there that were, at least to me listen.

658
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,000
I just think we need to leave a window, some

659
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:36,119
kind of window that allows people on the left to

660
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:37,920
decide with the angels, do you know what I mean?

661
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:43,559
Like I think Ezra Kline column, you know, it was okay.

662
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,159
His idea that Charlie Kirk was a person who practiced

663
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:49,679
politics as it should be is something that should that

664
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,639
the left should embrace. But who did he worked for

665
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:55,920
the New York Times, Who did they lift up? Who

666
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,559
did they give an opinion piece, the key opinion piece

667
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:02,199
to talk about this? That's on Piper supporter, Yeah, a

668
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,840
terror supporter said we deserve nine to eleven. I can't

669
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,719
even read you the quote here. There's a quote here

670
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,920
where he essentially says, let the streets soak with you know,

671
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,360
affing red blood of the capitalists and stuff like that

672
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,559
more than once. And yet he has, you know, he's

673
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:18,840
on he's in GQ, you know, and Beefcake poses no

674
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,039
one on the left. I bet I didn't even look.

675
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:25,599
You know, is he even divisive? Is he controversial? I

676
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,840
don't know. Maybe not. You know, he's just he's just

677
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,199
a well meaning socialist, right And let's be honest once

678
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,159
you are justifying and fine with and I'm not trying

679
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,840
to make this about my own hobby horse political stuff,

680
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,280
but whatever, if you're okay and you're marching and you're

681
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,320
okay with the murder and rape of a thousand, two

682
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,880
hundred people you don't like, you're probably going to be

683
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,880
okay with the murder of one person you don't like here.

684
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,559
And these are the same people, I bet you so

685
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,239
many of them are the same exact people. Oh we

686
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,039
know they are, Yeah, yeah, they are.

687
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I actually want to say on that too,

688
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,199
because you saw that what happened in the way of

689
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:06,239
Charlie's assassination was some immediate outpouring of celebration from people

690
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,239
on the left, and they were putting it under their

691
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:15,639
own names publicly for everybody to see, like on social media.

692
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,599
And so you started seeing a bunch of people contacting

693
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,119
their employers for the celebration of the assassination of a

694
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:28,280
citizen who had political views different than their own, and

695
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,239
the media are the authors of trying to get people

696
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,159
fired for political views, right, so they think the standard

697
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:40,159
for which you should be fired. So like to give

698
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,880
let's give one example. A backbench staffer on Capitol Hill

699
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:50,400
thought that Obama's daughters were dressed a little inappropriately at

700
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,719
the Easter egg role or something, you know, like that

701
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,400
or the Turkey pardoning or something. And I think that

702
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:04,840
her parents' home had like seven TV camera vans parked

703
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,559
out front. There were thousands of articles written about her

704
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:18,159
for daring to criticize the skirt length of the daughters

705
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:23,719
of Obama. Okay, I mean they tried to destroy her life.

706
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,840
Or you might remember how they tried to destroy the

707
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,239
life of Nick Sandman because he was being assaulted and

708
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,920
attacked by crazy left wingers and he didn't respond, but

709
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,360
they thought that he had a punchable face, and so

710
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,880
they wanted to destroy him and his Catholic high school.

711
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,400
You know, that's their standard. It's like you do literally

712
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,960
nothing wrong, or you maybe say something that you wish

713
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,440
you hadn't said, and your parents should have their lives

714
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,320
gone through where.

715
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,559
Speaker 1: You flash an O or you flash an okay sign

716
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,519
during a Supreme Court hearing, and they try to you know, yeah,

717
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,719
he caught some kind of Yeah.

718
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,039
Speaker 2: A Mexican Jew I wish DOJ staffer gave an okay

719
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,440
sign for saying like she wouldn't she wanted water or

720
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:11,440
something or everything was going okay, and the Washington Post

721
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:16,119
tried to destroy her life. They did that actually routinely.

722
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:19,079
Do you remember like the random truck driver who was

723
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,559
photographed with like his hands possibly in an okay sign. Again,

724
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:25,920
an okay sign.

725
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: They did cadets at the Army Navy game or whatever

726
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,199
as well. I mean they were doing this to they

727
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:31,360
were constantly doing.

728
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:35,119
Speaker 2: This, and so so the words I want to say

729
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,719
I can't say right now to people who say, oh,

730
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,679
you shouldn't cool people or try to get them fired

731
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,360
just for the mere fact that they were saying that

732
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:50,159
they love political terrorism and might be coming for you next.

733
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,199
Speaker 1: I mean, the.

734
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:54,039
Speaker 2: Comparison doesn't even fit. But I just want to say,

735
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:56,280
you know, a lot of people are pointing out, you

736
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,119
don't want to have a public school teacher or a

737
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:03,239
doctor or a nurse or a member of the military

738
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:07,360
saying that they think people who are conservative should be killed.

739
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:11,760
And I get the argument that it's particularly bad when

740
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,960
you're in a position of public trust that you wouldn't

741
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,760
feel safe putting your kid in that second grade classroom

742
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,840
knowing that she wants you dead. I get that, but

743
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,440
it's also true that even if there were no follow

744
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:28,440
on bad effects, it's just it's just unacceptable in a

745
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:34,320
civil society to publicly support the assassination of a citizen. Yeah,

746
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,559
it's just unacceptable. First of all, gone, no, I mean

747
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:41,199
it's like nobody would doubt that if they were like, well, okay,

748
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,679
replace conservatives with say, like black people, Nobody would be like,

749
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,440
I don't think that person should face any repercussions for

750
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:51,719
saying that they think black people should be killed. Like

751
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,039
why would you Why would that person lose their job

752
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,280
as ceo? Well, of course you're going to lose your job,

753
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,639
you know. It's like stupid.

754
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: Brendan I job giving money, not even in the open

755
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,039
to a cause like traditional marriage in California. You lost

756
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:07,719
his job as CEO of a major company.

757
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,639
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and again like they were like when people talk,

758
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,440
I hate even pretending like we need to say this

759
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,079
because we all know that they're just lying. But cancel

760
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:21,039
culture is when you get have your life destroyed because

761
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:25,320
you said something funny that disagrees with the left, or

762
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,280
you had a inappropriate tweet when you were twelve and

763
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,800
now you're twenty eight, you know, or whatever like that's

764
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,239
cancel culture. Cancel culture is not I think you should

765
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,280
be shot dead in public because you, as a citizen,

766
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,440
don't share my politics. That's not cancel culture. And you

767
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:45,400
know it, and I know it, and everybody knows it.

768
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:48,960
And so the way that the media went immediately into

769
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:56,039
protecting people who were who were celebrating assassinating citizens is

770
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:59,239
just like on the pile of disgust, another disgusting thing.

771
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Well, I have never and I went back to make

772
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:08,760
sure been a big critic of cancel culture just as

773
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,679
a blanket idea, because we also we have freedom of speech,

774
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,960
that's important, but we have freedom of association as well.

775
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:19,440
I don't believe that a private company should have to

776
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:23,079
keep someone on their payroll who, for instance, is celebrating

777
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:29,039
political assassinations, which is distinctly different from you know, even

778
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:31,960
a slur or a bad joke or you know, saying

779
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,800
something in the heat of the moments. I think those

780
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,000
are instances where you can apologize. I don't think a

781
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:43,920
private individual, a company has any reason to keep people

782
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,639
employed who wish death upon other people's Never I've never have.

783
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,320
I don't think. Yeah. Now, I'm just saying I just

784
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,880
don't believe that we I think people misunderstand free expression.

785
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,480
That doesn't there are consequences to things you say. We

786
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:01,679
have freedom to disassociate aid ourselves from you. We have

787
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,239
a freedom to shame you for your beliefs. I don't

788
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,280
even know what I'm yelling about right now, but it's

789
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,599
just the hypocrisy is not a great argument. Just pointing

790
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:16,719
it out, but it is mind boggling levels of hypocrasy

791
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,599
right now, because honestly, they don't believe in these rights.

792
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:21,559
They only believe in these rights for themselves. It's the

793
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:23,519
same thing we were talking about last week when they

794
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:27,599
talked about they No, they don't believe in censorship. They

795
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:29,800
only believe in censorship of the things that you say.

796
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,000
It's always selective, and it's because these people don't believe

797
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,639
in free speech. I don't believe progressives believe in free

798
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:38,960
expression in general. I'm not saying every single one of them,

799
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,880
but in general, especially among young activists, they do not

800
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,559
believe in a neutral idea that everyone should be able

801
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,079
to speak because they believe words are violence. And if

802
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,840
you believe words are violence, you think reacting to those

803
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,440
words with violence is completely justifiable. And that's I think

804
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,360
what happened here.

805
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: I don't even know, Okay I did. Did you see

806
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:06,320
the email that someone sent about the Kirk assassination to us?

807
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,599
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw that email, and I actually wanted to

808
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:13,480
ask you because you were angry that people were throwing

809
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,559
around tropes. And before I read this email, I just

810
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:19,480
want to say, I don't think it's completely crazy to

811
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:22,079
worry a little bit about the future of free speech

812
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,599
because of what the reaction might be to people who

813
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:28,840
don't care about free speech, because you can't have two

814
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,880
sets of rules in a country. And I do worry

815
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,360
about that. You know, things BONDI said, for instance, you

816
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,960
walk them back. But I do worry about that, all right,

817
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,079
So am I allowed to give his name. I'll give

818
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:41,719
his first name.

819
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: I think first name is fine.

820
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: His name is Aaron. It's been several days since the

821
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:51,440
terrile assassination of Charlie Kirk. As I know there's no

822
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:55,039
chance of discussing much of anything political aside from this,

823
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,960
I think it's a good time to offer actionable suggestions.

824
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:03,599
Specifically for a lied journal and reporters, everyone needs to

825
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:07,880
stop replying or reacting to them as new media. There

826
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,079
should be no more dialogue with any individuals or institution

827
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,840
that made any kind of excuse, deflection, or lie as

828
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,239
to Charlie Kirk's assassination. If you absolutely must reference them

829
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:25,000
at all, it should always be with extremely negative qualifications.

830
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,360
Think of how Molly always brings up that Philip Bump

831
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,039
doesn't know how babies are made. Do this for literally

832
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:35,360
every single leftist media personality and so called journalist. In fact,

833
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:38,920
this all should be extended to all the lies about

834
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,920
Trump and Conservatives over the past ten years. I'm in,

835
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,719
but go on, yeah, I'm not going to do that,

836
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,239
only because it's not I don't think you're wrong to

837
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,760
bring up the Philip Bump doesn't know how babies are made.

838
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:55,280
I don't think that people take the media that seriously anymore.

839
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,480
If you look at trust levels, they're already Dad below

840
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,559
just said.

841
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,559
Speaker 2: That eight and the left. Only eight percent of the

842
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:05,039
left knows the ideology of the shooter. You don't think

843
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:07,119
people take him serious, take them seriously.

844
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: I think that the group of people who are politically

845
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,079
on the very you know progressive listen to them and

846
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:14,960
are in a bubble there, Okay, don't what about you?

847
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: What about him?

848
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: How was him?

849
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:21,519
Speaker 2: Was CNN able to get him to bow down before them?

850
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,719
How did that happen?

851
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:25,639
Speaker 1: I don't know how that happened.

852
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,519
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.

853
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: I didn't see an interview you're talking about, so I

854
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:28,840
can't really.

855
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: But it's also because you have entire architectures set up

856
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:34,760
to treat like literally.

857
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean, did he say that both that both sides

858
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,440
are a problem? Did he diminish? What happened? I mean,

859
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:41,119
I don't even know what he said. And you're you're

860
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:43,679
making me defend the guy. I don't. I'm not defending him.

861
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:44,760
I'm telling you I.

862
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: Assuming you don't agree with him.

863
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:47,519
Speaker 1: I I don't know what he is.

864
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:53,559
Speaker 2: Why does CNN have power? Think about what they've done.

865
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,800
Think about what they've done, Think about how they originated

866
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:04,239
by working with James Comey and other corrupt deep state people,

867
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,480
the Russia collusion hoax, which was you know, you can

868
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:10,920
again draw straight line between that and where we are

869
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,920
right now. The CNN also ran campaigns of terror against

870
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,519
private citizens for not accepting left wing ideology on trans

871
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,800
or gay stuff. They they obviously were big, big into

872
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,360
the Nick Sandman hoax and a thousand other hoaxes. They

873
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,880
lied about George Floyd, they lied about Leah Thomas, William Thomas.

874
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:39,320
They lie about every issue, literally every issue. They lie

875
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,840
about literally everything, and say hold on. When they call

876
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,800
James Langford and they say do you want to come

877
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,840
on and repeat Democrat talking points? He says, oh, I

878
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,480
would love to do that. Please have me come on

879
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:57,760
so I can help out the Democrat Party. Why is that?

880
00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:02,480
What is the weird thing happening that allows you know,

881
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,440
knowing that CNN could be taken off the board if

882
00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:08,960
Republicans simply did not take them seriously or you know, like,

883
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,320
here's what I think. I actually think Republicans shouldn't go

884
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,679
on there, But if they do, they have to be

885
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,800
armed to remind them of all the lies they've spread constantly, right, Like.

886
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: How hard is this? I have argued with you about

887
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,599
this in the past. I think they should go on there,

888
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:30,519
and I think they should make their arguments. I don't

889
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:36,079
think they should be repeating leftist talking points, not defending

890
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:37,559
what he said. I don't even know what he said.

891
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,960
But my problem with this is you can't ignore the opposition.

892
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:45,199
It won't make them go away, it won't make them

893
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,000
any less effective. Even though I think CNS of maybe

894
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,320
two hundred thousand people, I don't even know what these

895
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,960
shows get there. They're like a niche publication for the

896
00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:58,639
left right right now, and we shouldn't. In the past,

897
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:02,599
they were far more powerful. Their role in the Russia

898
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:06,440
collusion hoax was large. I think they've lost a lot

899
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:10,400
of credibility since then, and pointing out how bad they are,

900
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:13,360
I think is much more effective than pretending they don't exist.

901
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,519
Do you disagree with that?

902
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: I think Republicans should stop appearing on propaganda press shows

903
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,719
unless they are in the top five most effective people

904
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,400
at taking on the lies of the media.

905
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Scott Jennings is on there right and he

906
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:31,719
does a good job.

907
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: He does a great job, and he's like, there's one

908
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,599
Scott Jennings in the world. So if you're not at

909
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:39,159
that level, or you're not working to get there, you

910
00:54:39,199 --> 00:54:40,000
shouldn't be doing it.

911
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,199
Speaker 1: Kiss any I am not at that. I am not

912
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,639
at that level surely as a TV person at all,

913
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:46,800
because I'm probably not good on TV at all. But

914
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,239
I would love to go on Canna anytime they want

915
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,599
to invite me to talk about things that I have

916
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:53,079
some expertise in. I would be glad to go on

917
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:55,119
there and try to debunk what people are saying. I

918
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,039
think it's a worthwhile thing to do to engage people.

919
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to keep going with this note because

920
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,360
I thought it was so good. I'm going to read

921
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,800
the next part. Democrat politicians should not be allowed to

922
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,800
discuss anything with any right wing journalist or news outlet

923
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:16,000
without first being forced to denounce leftist violence. In specificity,

924
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,599
the demand should never stop. If they are forced to

925
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:23,280
repudiate Charlie Kirk's brutal murder, the demand should move on

926
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,079
to them being forced to denounce those who celebrate it.

927
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,880
If that is done, the recent results of soft on

928
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,719
crime policies, then the mutilation of children, then attempted assassinations

929
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,679
of President Trump, the BLM riots, and the Summer of Love,

930
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,880
the attempted Kavanaugh assassination, go back to the congressional baseball

931
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,119
shooting if you have to. There is no shortage of violence.

932
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:46,559
They've swept under the rug, and there has never been

933
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:50,800
a time where January sixth is not constantly brought back up,

934
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,400
and every time a new example comes forth, they should

935
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,400
be made to answer for that too. If they do

936
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,599
not end communication right there and accuse them of supporting

937
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:03,320
violence and murder, Republican politicians should likewise be held to account.

938
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:08,440
It is absolutely insane to see so many Republicans show

939
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:11,679
that they care more about what CNN says than their

940
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:16,039
own voters. Anybody who does this should receive no positive coverage,

941
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:19,440
and their primary opponents should be contacted immediately. If they

942
00:56:19,519 --> 00:56:23,519
never less, nevertheless win their primary, it doesn't matter, no endorsements,

943
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:27,400
no positive coverage.

944
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,159
Speaker 1: That's for activists. That's for activists to do. And I'm

945
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,440
you know, if I had a podcast right like this

946
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:38,960
and we brought on some Democrat, I would challenge them

947
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,079
on all the notes that he brings up here. I

948
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:48,199
think they're all fair, but asking them to denounce, denounce

949
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,599
this or that before we'll talk about it's just not

950
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:54,239
how the real world works. This is just this is

951
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,840
for I'm not saying that political activists shouldn't do this,

952
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but I don't think people who are in the business

953
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,480
of arguing about idea and that policy should act that way.

954
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:05,920
That's just me. I think it's kind of cowardly, honestly,

955
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,360
and that you know, to try to go into a

956
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,760
bubble yourself and that challenge the other side.

957
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,039
Speaker 2: Don't you think I have no idea where you got

958
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:15,599
that from? This?

959
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: So well, so you can only talk, he says in

960
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,760
the beginning, you can only a right wing journalist can

961
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,239
only talk to a left wing politician, correct if they

962
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,039
were do this ABCD and whatever? Right?

963
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:32,719
Speaker 2: I think, I think this reader or listener Aaron understands

964
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:36,000
that we're in an information war, that the left uses

965
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,559
these tactics, and that the right has used zero tactics

966
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:44,320
in response, other than to bow down and pleasure the

967
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,840
media in response. So I mean, you either acknowledge that

968
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,679
we're in an information war where the propaganda press is

969
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:54,599
destroying the country, or you say we should go back

970
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:57,400
to nineteen eighty in our approach and act like we

971
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:58,280
don't know what they've done.

972
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: No, those are not the two choices. Nineteen eighty seems

973
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,559
to be the big year for everyone on the right

974
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:06,679
right now. I would tell you that at that time

975
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,599
there was the media had a maybe a bigger monopoly.

976
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:12,960
I don't think they were as corrupt and that people

977
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:15,960
let's say like Reagan were much were challenged the media

978
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:19,239
narratives is what and media themselves that made them kind

979
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:23,920
of successful. Donald Trump goes and talks to the New

980
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,440
York Times. Donald Trump goes on CNN. Donald Trump is

981
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,280
obviously the president. He does a good job of not

982
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,960
giving in. I have no I don't even know. I'm

983
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,679
not you know, do you want to be a propagandist

984
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,519
or do you want to make arguments or not? You know,

985
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:42,719
I'm sick of people like, oh, you're such a week

986
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,480
and it's not in nineteen eighty because I don't think,

987
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,480
because I want to have debates with people who disagree

988
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:48,800
with me.

989
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:52,639
Speaker 2: What are I to do to stop the killing and

990
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:53,719
the support of the killing?

991
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: How do we stop it? I want to know, I

992
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,079
want to be helpful.

993
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,639
Speaker 2: Okay, So I would just want to say, like, in

994
00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:01,199
the big I have some thoughts here, but I just

995
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:02,920
want to say, in the big picture, have you ever

996
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,559
had that where you're having I think this might be

997
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,519
more of a female thing that we deal with, but

998
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,239
like you're having a fight with someone and they tell

999
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,480
you to calm down or that it's not a big deal.

1000
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I've been, I've been. I've been in trouble for

1001
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,920
doing that quite a bit.

1002
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,599
Speaker 2: Well, it can be a really alarming thing when you

1003
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:25,719
realize that the person you're talking to does not actually

1004
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:28,239
recognize the significance of the problem. This is what I

1005
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,199
was saying about seeing the high level person in Congress

1006
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:37,719
being like kumbaya free speech. You know, a person who's

1007
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,159
an actual position of authority to investigate left wing terror

1008
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:46,000
networks saying I think the big lesson is free speech.

1009
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,760
When we're in an environment we're getting killed for your

1010
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,920
free speech is a live possibility, right, not a probability

1011
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,440
at this point, but a live possibility, and to have

1012
00:59:56,519 --> 01:00:00,840
someone not taking it seriously is bad. Basically, I feel

1013
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,400
like we're in the idea phase right now of what

1014
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,320
can we do to save the country? You know, you

1015
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,400
were like, are you a pundit or a propagandist or something.

1016
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,599
I mean to me, it's like so much bigger than that.

1017
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,159
Are we going to have a country? Are we going

1018
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:16,119
to have a country?

1019
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,119
Speaker 1: Like? No, we will not do to.

1020
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: Have a country here when we've had a breakdown of

1021
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:25,119
the social compact about how we exist with each other.

1022
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,039
And so for me, like when I think of college campuses,

1023
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:35,000
I think what they should do is it's kind of

1024
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,280
different for private versus public. The public universities, particularly in

1025
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:45,199
Red States, must immediately be rescued from Marxist ideology with

1026
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:50,079
every power that the state has, like, do not employ

1027
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,800
with taxpayer funds people who seek the destruction of your

1028
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,920
children and the country, and do whatever it takes to

1029
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:04,119
gain control and turn them into actual institutions of higher

1030
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:09,320
education and not like factories for destruction of Western civilization.

1031
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,599
And then private universities obviously have different rights and roles here,

1032
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:18,960
but they have been probably even more a problem in

1033
01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:20,960
terms of destroying the country, and they have a lot

1034
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,039
of protections and a lot of privileges, and those should

1035
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:27,920
be looked at to see how they can do something

1036
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,719
to turn these horrible places into real places of higher education.

1037
01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:35,760
So one of my ideas would be that they immediately

1038
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:41,840
guarantee the protection of speech on their campus and speakers,

1039
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,840
including visiting speakers. And I'm sure you visit college campuses,

1040
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,320
but I certainly do, and I'm headed to one next week,

1041
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,239
so this is a live issue for me. And if

1042
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,159
they and they should do it with like three percent

1043
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:55,519
of their endowment or something, you know, some like real

1044
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:58,880
allocation of funds, and if they fail to protect speech,

1045
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,480
they lose all federal backing for their you know, financial aid,

1046
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:07,039
all of it, like give them an incentive. So some

1047
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:08,840
people are like, I have an idea, what if we

1048
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,119
got conservative donors to put up funds to protect people

1049
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:15,079
who go on college campuses? And like, wait, the solution

1050
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,559
is to have our people take money that could be

1051
01:02:18,639 --> 01:02:21,800
used for real activism and use it to just like

1052
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:26,559
maybe not get assassinated on campus. No, the schools need

1053
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:29,840
to protect speech, and they need to do it immediately.

1054
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:30,719
Speaker 3: You know.

1055
01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: Well, I don't disagree with any of that. In fact,

1056
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,559
I'm probably more radical on the question. I don't think

1057
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:40,679
that schools, especially any kind of private institutions, should get

1058
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:44,719
any kind of money anymore from the government. Public schools

1059
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:50,239
in states are also a problem. I mean, I just

1060
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:52,039
don't think there's a future in this country if the

1061
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:55,599
school systems remain the same. I don't know if you

1062
01:02:55,639 --> 01:03:00,000
remember years ago Colorado University, see you had a chain

1063
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:02,159
of like conservative studies. I don't even know if they

1064
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:04,039
still have it. Maybe they do. I forgot who I

1065
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:05,039
think maybe.

1066
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,199
Speaker 2: I forget now downgraded it so you like you only

1067
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:09,519
get in if you're like Bill Crystal Republican.

1068
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: So I understand the inclination behind it, but it was

1069
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,519
a terrible idea because essentially you're making it something that's

1070
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:22,400
weird and that you you know that is not ingrained,

1071
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,239
because conservative ideas are ingrained in the American from the

1072
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,159
American founding in many ways onwards. Like it's it's part

1073
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:31,519
of what we should be learning anyway, just as like

1074
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,199
everyone who graduates school should have some knowledge of Christianity

1075
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:42,039
and Judaism frankly, but Christianity is obviously especially not because

1076
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:45,199
you know, we're trying to proselyze people. Not that that

1077
01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:47,480
would be terrible, you know, or anything, but I don't

1078
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:49,480
think the state should do that, but that you should

1079
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,079
understand your culture and where you come from and why

1080
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,320
these rights matter. None of that is part of what

1081
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:59,800
we're doing. I get that. I guess this is my concern.

1082
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:02,880
You saw Pam BONDI say, you know they were going

1083
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,960
to prosecute hate speech and this, and that. I think

1084
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:09,239
that there is an inclination among some people, especially on

1085
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,920
this sort of post liberal right, that might is right

1086
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:16,239
and there are going to use power on ways. I

1087
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:19,199
think that our problem now that's not my biggest concern

1088
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,400
right now. My biggest concern right now is left wing

1089
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,760
violence and progressivism, which I think is destroying this country.

1090
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:28,239
But I don't want to do away with things I

1091
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,000
actually do care about. So you can make fun of

1092
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,199
people who mentioned free speech. I don't think it's wrong

1093
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,320
to mention the importance of free speech as long as

1094
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,480
you're doing the other things that you talk about and

1095
01:04:36,519 --> 01:04:40,480
calling them out on their whitewashing of left wing violence.

1096
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:41,559
I don't know if that makes sense.

1097
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: No, And I hope, like, obviously I care about free speech,

1098
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:48,480
it's not that obvious with some people you have free

1099
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,679
speech if you don't have like free speech isn't just

1100
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:53,960
something that you get to say you have. You actually

1101
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,599
have to have the society that protects it, understands it,

1102
01:04:57,639 --> 01:04:59,719
and it's like practiced.

1103
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: And I'm worried that they're going I'm sorry to interrupt,

1104
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,800
but I'm worried that now conservative speakers are going to

1105
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,440
have a harder time going to colleges because colleges will say,

1106
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,760
we can't afford to protect you. You know, we're going

1107
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,400
we can't get more this or that.

1108
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,719
Speaker 2: So I'm worried that when they say that that Speaker

1109
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,159
of the House, Mike Johnson, is like, well, at least

1110
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:23,519
you tried. Thanks for trying, you know, instead of thinking

1111
01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:27,079
how can we make sure using the tools that we have,

1112
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:33,599
that there's broad federal involvement in all universities and colleges

1113
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:37,360
with the exception of Hillsdale College and maybe like literally

1114
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:42,079
four or five others, there's broad involvement already. Like they

1115
01:05:42,159 --> 01:05:47,360
already showed that if you don't protect Jewish speech, they're

1116
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,639
willing to use those powers to come after you. So

1117
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,920
maybe they should also care about conservative speech when it

1118
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:55,639
was all.

1119
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: Kabuki theater though, because in the end they got their money.

1120
01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:01,039
In the end, you know, Judge will step in and say, no,

1121
01:06:01,199 --> 01:06:04,639
you can't do that. I don't even understand why.

1122
01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: I'm not think for is Congress to care, you know,

1123
01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:09,719
at least as much.

1124
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:13,599
Speaker 1: It's like after a mass shooting in a school or something,

1125
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:17,119
people are looking for ways to stop it, and there's

1126
01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:20,280
a do something is an element to it. Sometimes I

1127
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,639
see out there, not with what you're saying right now,

1128
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,840
that's like we just need to do like a Rico

1129
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:30,679
investigation into everyone. Well, it's not that simple. These killers

1130
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,199
are part of a movement, but they're not explicitly part

1131
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:37,840
of some kind of network. So now the things that

1132
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,599
you're going to want to do can be used against

1133
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:43,599
anyone essentially in politics if there's violence, Oh.

1134
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 2: They could be Do you mean like how Chuck Grassley

1135
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,960
yesterday released documents showing that in response to January sixth,

1136
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:53,800
a riot that resulted in only the killing of one

1137
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:58,320
of the rioters and nobody else, they launched an investigation

1138
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:04,119
into hundreds of groups, including conservative think tanks and TPUSA

1139
01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:05,320
Charlie Kirk's groups.

1140
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:07,599
Speaker 1: But you think that's wrong, right, You think that that's

1141
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:08,440
an abusive power.

1142
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is like I'm thinking of people being like, oh,

1143
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,440
if you use your power to help things, then maybe

1144
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,360
the left will use their power to come after your people.

1145
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,480
And it's like you don't have welcome to nineteen sixty

1146
01:07:20,599 --> 01:07:24,559
eight people, Like it's been happening forever. That's why the

1147
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,039
left is so dominant over the right, because the right

1148
01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:30,920
has had all of its institutions, whether it's the Irs

1149
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:35,440
targeting tea party groups or Christopher Ray going to war

1150
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,400
against the entire conservative movement and having a bunch of

1151
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,079
Republicans being like, I think he's a pretty good guy.

1152
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:41,679
Speaker 1: You know.

1153
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,599
Speaker 2: Like the issue here is we've already established this is

1154
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:48,800
not like a both sides issue. We have Antifa that

1155
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:53,599
did things like terrorized the mark O Hatfield Federal Courthouse

1156
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:58,840
for months in twenty twenty and had no investigation into it.

1157
01:07:59,159 --> 01:08:02,119
And now we've got Antie going after ice people and

1158
01:08:02,199 --> 01:08:04,719
there is an investigation now finally, but we have like

1159
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,679
decades to make up for. I'm not opposed to investigating

1160
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,599
terror groups, and there are terror groups on the left.

1161
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,679
Am I opposed to investigating Roman Catholics or pro lifers

1162
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:18,399
for praying? Yes, because they're not terror groups? But do

1163
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,319
I want terror groups investigated? Yes, there's no hypocrisy there,

1164
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:22,640
you know.

1165
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:30,560
Speaker 1: I want terror groups investigated as well. In fact, I

1166
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,600
think we should be coming down hard on any I

1167
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,600
mean allowing, for instance, during the COVID years, to allow

1168
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:40,239
these like rogue cities to pop up in places like

1169
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,880
Seattle and Portland and just function on their own and

1170
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,600
have all kinds of terrible things happen. I'm just saying

1171
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,880
that I also think it's important, and it's not one

1172
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:54,119
is not in conflict with the other to also stress

1173
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:57,960
the value of free expression you're saying, oh, yeah, we

1174
01:08:58,039 --> 01:09:00,199
know that. I don't know that people know that as

1175
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:02,239
well as you think. That's all I'm saying. With beyond that,

1176
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:05,840
I don't even know what to say. I mean, it

1177
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,960
was just it was it really hit me in a

1178
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:13,159
personal way that that other deaths having And you know,

1179
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,600
I'm not saying those deaths aren't important, but how far

1180
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,000
he was, how there were kids there, how was families there.

1181
01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:23,079
Just the whole whole thing was just so horrifying. I

1182
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:25,760
don't know if if I made sense at all this episode, but.

1183
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: I feel like each day I wake up and I'm like,

1184
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,119
I think I was still in shock yesterday and I'm

1185
01:09:33,159 --> 01:09:35,359
just what And I've been even today. I'm like, I'm

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definitely still in shock, Like I keep on having it

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hit me, like it just does not seem right that

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Charlie's dead and it's such a horrifying thing. I mentioned.

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I went to the vigil. I will be going to

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the funeral also in the memorial service, I guess it

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is in Phoenix on Sunday, and I'm hoping for a

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good word there.

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Speaker 1: It feels weird. But you want to talk about culture.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know not really all.

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Speaker 1: Right, we could skip it this week. Yeah, I don't

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have anything get to say anyway. All right, Well, it's

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been a few downers. I have to say. It's it's

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a it's a rough time in America right now. But

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we will come out at the other end, and I

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think things are going to be okay at least, I say.

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That's what that's what I need to say. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: Well, also, just we do appreciate the emails. I love

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how many people email us. It's wonderful. And so if

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you have more, I'm sure there's a lot more on this,

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but radio at the Federalist dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the mail's not going to be good

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for me this week. We'll see. That's okay. That's what

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I like.

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Speaker 2: I feel like everyone's pretty great, even when they're not

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everything you or I say.

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Speaker 1: I'm just you, I'm just I'm just generally cranky.

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Speaker 2: But I also like how people say, David, I love

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this thing, and that Molly, I like you too.

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Speaker 1: That's just not how those emails go. There's now I

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actually do appreciate the feedback. And this is so weird

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and I'm going to be making everything about Charlie Kirk

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but you know, watching him interact with people he disagreed

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with in that way. Again, I think it just exemplifies

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the best of what our political debate's supposed to be

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like and about. I think I'm going to be Oh,

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I quickly say one quick thing. So I went out

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there this week because of Charlie Kirk, and I've been

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very angry on Twitter before that happened, and always sarcastic

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and always mean. I try to be have good faith

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debates with people, so with known people, you know, and

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not listen. I don't have a million followers, but I'm

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not nobody on there. And I think six times or

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something like that, people were saying things about Charlie Kirk.

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I approached them in good faith and ask them a

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real question so we could talk about it. Not one

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of those people answered me. You know. So I'm constantly

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talking about how the left wants to debate, but maybe

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they don't want a debate or talk about these things

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at all reality and I think that that's something that's

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troublesome as well.

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Speaker 2: So I have something to add to that, which is

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that I would say, like the best, the vast majority

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of my friends throughout my life have been people on

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the left just because of where my interests lie in

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music and otherwise. And I never say anything on social

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media other than Twitter, which is a place where I

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say a lot, obviously, but I don't think my friends

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follow me there. You know. The friend places are elsewhere.

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And some of people, you know, including old old friends,

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had said things that I didn't like, and so I engaged.

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And it was interesting that some of the responses were

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some of them didn't respond, some of the responses were inadequate,

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but some of the responses were great, including like a

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real conversation starting. And my pastor at art we did

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a service on Friday at my church for to commemorate

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Charlie as a martyr, you know, separate from the assassination

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for politics for Christian he was martyred for the faith

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because that was the that was the main thing he

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was doing, was was sharing the faith. And so we

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did a commemoration for him as a martyr. And in

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my pastor's sermon he mentioned that he had gotten some

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pushback from some people over doing this, and he said,

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you know, normally he might have just moved it to

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archive or something, and instead he was thinking about how

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Charlie would take on all comers and cheerfully engage them.

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And Pastor mentioned the verse from scripture from Isaiah. You know,

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come let us reason together, and there is you know,

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there's this very long tradition in Western civilization in favor

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of rational debate and conversation, and it is one of

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the great things that we have, and we should make

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sure we keep it going.

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Speaker 1: Well. So the quick mention before we go, you know,

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I watched his his impressive wife's speech, which seems like

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a a very good person herself, and think of her,

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think of his children. We'll be back next week. Until

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them be lovers of freedom and anxious full of friend