1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,599 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,080 So we slide into day two of the Glaine Maxwell trial, 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,039 and we had two witnesses on the stand today. They 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,839 continued with the questioning of pilot Larry Vasaski, who had 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,239 some pretty interesting things to add to the conversation, and 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,960 they also had on a Jane Doe. Now, the Jane 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,880 Doe is the young lady who was allegedly groomed and 8 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:39,960 abused from the Interlocan School in Michigan. It is an 9 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:44,719 art school, a you know, a ritzy kind of music school, 10 00:00:44,799 --> 00:00:50,079 and that's where her abuse began and where Jeffrey Epstein 11 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,679 and Glaine Maxwell allegedly met her for the first time. 12 00:00:55,359 --> 00:00:59,320 And obviously we don't have a pipeline into the courtroom 13 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:04,040 as far as as audio, so all we're relying on 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,519 is transcripts. But it seems to me that it was 15 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,359 a pretty brutal line of questioning for Jane Doe. And 16 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,879 like I said earlier a million times, that's to be expected. 17 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,000 This is the sort of defense that they're going to pursue. 18 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,760 They're going to look to destroy the credibility of the witnesses. 19 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:32,640 They're going to look to do whatever they can to 20 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:38,280 impugne their character. And that is the age old tactic 21 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,040 that has been used in cases like this forever. The 22 00:01:43,079 --> 00:01:46,840 real question becomes is it going to work? Now? Recently 23 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:49,680 we have seen that it did not work in the 24 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:54,920 Harvey Weinstein case, it didn't work in the Keith Raynieri 25 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,159 in Nexium case, and it certainly didn't work in the 26 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,400 bilk Osby case either. Now, obviously Bill Cosby got off 27 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:07,719 on a technicality, but my point is the argument within 28 00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:12,800 the courtroom, when you're setting these victims up, these survivors 29 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:16,639 up as being at fault or like they did something wrong. 30 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:21,599 Let's keep everything into context. Okay, this was a little 31 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:27,680 girl at school and Epstein and Maxwell, according to her allegations, 32 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:31,960 thought it would be a good idea to try and 33 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,840 pick her up and groom her and then start traveling 34 00:02:35,879 --> 00:02:38,680 with her all over the country and abusing her at 35 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:44,400 the same time. Now, I have done an episode previously 36 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,919 on the situation in Michigan. There's an article in the 37 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,159 Daily Mail dealing with it. I'm gonna post that episode 38 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,360 later on and you folks can dive into that if 39 00:02:54,400 --> 00:03:02,360 you'd like. But it was a pretty rough read listening 40 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,400 to her, or I guess I should say, reading back 41 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:08,560 her account of what occurred and how the whole entire 42 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:15,159 process evolved. Now, she was coming off of like usual 43 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,919 with Jeffrey Epstein and his cronies. She was in a 44 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,560 situation where her dad had just died, her mom was 45 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,319 certainly not swimming in the dough, and they had some 46 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:32,080 financial issues. So you have this benefactor that comes riding 47 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:35,520 in on his white horse with his little associate and 48 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:40,039 her nice little Oxford accent, and they offer you the world. 49 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,599 Now me, I'm cynical as hell. I learned a long 50 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,520 time ago from my dad that I don't have any 51 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:52,840 rich uncles. I don't have any benefactors that are riding 52 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:55,879 in to save the day for me. So I would 53 00:03:55,919 --> 00:04:00,240 be apprehensive, for sure. But when you're you know, somebody 54 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,639 else's shoes, I don't know what the deal is in 55 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:04,879 a school like that. Maybe it's something that happens all 56 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:07,439 the time. I want to public school. I have no idea. 57 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,360 But for me personally, if it was my child, you know, 58 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:19,120 I would be very cautious of these people just materializing 59 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,759 from nowhere. But again, when you look at the whole 60 00:04:23,879 --> 00:04:29,040 entire situation. There's no reason for this family to suspect 61 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,279 that these people are going to do these heinous acts. 62 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:36,160 They're on this campus, which is supposed to be a 63 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:39,000 safe place. Are we not going to talk about how 64 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,319 the school should have a little bit of responsibility for 65 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,959 what happened here? And I guess that really gets down 66 00:04:44,959 --> 00:04:47,279 to the core of my issue with all of this, folks. 67 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,480 And for those of you who have been listening to 68 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:52,800 me forever, you know all of this already. But there 69 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,160 has been obviously an influx of new listeners in the 70 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,800 last few days due to the nature of the case. 71 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,120 But it's always been one of my biggest issues with 72 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:07,120 this whole entire thing, and it's just it's aggravating, right, 73 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:13,439 it is just aggravating. But her on the stand today 74 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:16,399 put a whole different spin on everything, put a whole 75 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:22,959 different feel to it. Right. We've heard in the interview 76 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,920 in the Daily Mail when she's you know, talking about 77 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,000 the experiences at the school, what it was like for 78 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:35,000 But it's a whole different ballgame when you're in the courtroom, 79 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,279 you're testifying, and you're looking at your alleged abuser in 80 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:47,360 the eye, right, So it's nice to see, at the 81 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:52,199 very least on the ground level, a little bit of 82 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:55,199 justice is hopefully going to be served up here. But 83 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,399 when you go into it and you dig deeper, it's 84 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:03,279 situations like how the school is going to get off 85 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:08,519 without any accountability that are wild to me. And back 86 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:10,839 to the point I was making earlier, it's something that 87 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:13,639 I've drilled home for quite some time on this podcast 88 00:06:13,959 --> 00:06:17,319 because all of the enablers, the people around Epstein, all 89 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,240 of these people that were helping him rebuild his image, 90 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,439 helping him harbor his secrets, all of these people are culpable. Now, 91 00:06:26,439 --> 00:06:31,240 there's different levels of culpability, right. Not everybody was involved 92 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,160 in the actual abuse part what was going on here, 93 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,639 But there are a bunch of players on the stage, 94 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,600 some of them that were named today at the trial, 95 00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:46,120 that are accused, incredibly accused, i might add, of actually 96 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:51,279 taking part in the abuse. You have people like George Mitchell, 97 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:56,560 you have all kinds of big profile people, Glenn Dubin, 98 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:04,560 Bill Richardson, And these are the people who were facilitating 99 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,560 all of this and at the same time, according to 100 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,920 the credible allegations, partaking in the abuse themselves. So when 101 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,319 you look at it, there's layers, right, It's almost like 102 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:20,399 a lasagna of shit with all the different layers of 103 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,959 garbage that you have to get through to get to 104 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,279 the nexus of the problem. And that's how Epstein kept 105 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:29,720 himself insulated. It was just like any other criminal organization, 106 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:33,759 like any other criminal enterprise. And that's why you see 107 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:36,120 people who have been following this case for a long time, 108 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,680 and frankly a lot of the survivors get so agitated 109 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,920 that none of the other core participants have been indicted, 110 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,240 because this couldn't happen right without all of these other participants. 111 00:07:52,519 --> 00:07:59,120 And that goes for the school in Michigan, Interlogan. They 112 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,319 have to have some responsibility for what occurs on their campus. 113 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,920 Considering Jeffrey Epstein had a little chalet, a little cabin 114 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:11,439 on the campus. I mean, really, it's just like him 115 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:14,199 over at Harvard. Dude literally had the keys to the 116 00:08:14,279 --> 00:08:17,759 kingdom at Harvard. And sure, we get a lot of 117 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:24,360 these crocodile tear apologies, and we get these internal investigations 118 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,319 and all of that jazz, but in reality, there's no 119 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,480 penalties for these people. They just shrugged their shoulders and 120 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:38,600 keep it moving. And if any of these people who 121 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:43,279 were associating with Jeffrey Epstein after his first arrest, even 122 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:47,559 attempt to act like they had no idea what he was. Well, 123 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,639 that's somebody that I'm pretty confident in calling a liar. 124 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,919 Pretty sure everybody had Google back then, right, jump on 125 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,039 the internet and check out Jeffrey Epstein what he was 126 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,559 up to. It was all over the news. But yet 127 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,200 you'll have these people who think you're stupid enough to 128 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,960 believe that they had no idea what Jeffrey Epstein was. 129 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,559 And that's the running line, right, Oh, we had no idea, 130 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:15,960 we had no clue. That's not odd that a man 131 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,399 with no children, no children even in his vicinity, has 132 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:25,159 all of these young looking girls around. But you know, 133 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,080 when you're a fellow traveler and all, it's probably not 134 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,080 out of the normal. It's probably just the way things 135 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:38,360 are so today, like I said, the two witnesses on 136 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:43,720 the stand were Larry Vassoski and A Jane Doe. So 137 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:49,039 first we're going to talk a little bit about Larry 138 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,759 Vasaski and what he had to say on the on 139 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,399 the stand today. First, he was talking about the flights 140 00:09:57,399 --> 00:10:02,240 to Interlogan and he was talking about some of the 141 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:08,360 people that were on some of these flights. Interlocan was 142 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:11,120 Epstein and Maxwell obviously, but on some of these other 143 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:15,480 flights he was talking about people like Bill Clinton was mentioned. 144 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:21,759 Let's see, Donald Trump was mentioned. Uh who else do 145 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:29,399 we got here? Uh, Prince Andrew, it's Zach Pearlman. It's crazy. 146 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,799 It is crazy to think that all of these people, 147 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,919 all of these people were on these planes and everybody 148 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,799 knew about it, right, But the legacy media, they couldn't 149 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,720 be bothered to let all of you know about it. 150 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,480 They were always talking about some big conspiracy theory around Epstein. Yeah, right, 151 00:10:49,759 --> 00:10:54,480 This has always been a criminal conspiracy. This was never 152 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:57,320 a conspiracy theory. Now, don't get me wrong. There are 153 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:04,159 some wild propositions when we talk about Epstein in this case, right, 154 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,360 a bunch of weird theories, and I'm agnostic on all 155 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:10,559 of it. I don't I don't know what occurred for sure. 156 00:11:10,639 --> 00:11:12,159 All I can go on is what we have the 157 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,000 evidence to go on. Right. But one thing is certain, 158 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,240 and I bring up these people on the plane to 159 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,799 point out what I was talking about earlier. This is 160 00:11:21,879 --> 00:11:25,360 not a left or right issue, folks. This is about 161 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,600 the super elite, the one percent of the one percent, basically, 162 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:33,559 who look at us like we're chattel. They look at 163 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:39,080 us our children like we mean nothing. Human trafficking operations, 164 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:45,039 endless war, dividing the populace, and it just goes on 165 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,080 and on and on again. All of these people, all 166 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,879 of these politicians, none of them care about us. Let 167 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:55,960 me ask you a question. How many of these congressmen 168 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,000 are congress Congress congressmen or congress women have been out there, yeah, 169 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:04,960 and screaming from every mountaintop about investigations into Epstein and 170 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,360 the handling of the Epstein case on a federal level. 171 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:11,360 All wait, very few of them, folks. And the ones 172 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,399 that have been, well, guess what they sure can get 173 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:16,639 all of these other conferences up on the hill, right. 174 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,799 They whipped up the January sixth conference pretty quick. They 175 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:22,679 brought up a bunch of baseball players over steroids pretty quick, 176 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,120 and insert every other issue here. But all of a 177 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,519 sudden they have no interest in a case such as Epstein's. Meanwhile, 178 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:35,360 we have all of these big time players being involved, Trump, Clinton, 179 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,919 Prince Andrew aka the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family. 180 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,360 By the way, all of these cats and now again 181 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,480 besides Prince Andrew. I'm not saying that these dudes were 182 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:50,240 taking part in the trafficking operation as far as abusing 183 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,639 people until that comes out with some evidence to back 184 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,679 it up, or I hear the survivors say that right then, 185 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,840 of course, it's definitely something that needs to be talked 186 00:13:02,879 --> 00:13:06,759 about in the same vein as Glenn Dubin or Bill Richardson. 187 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:11,879 But these guys were for sure enabling Jeffrey Epstein without 188 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:14,559 a doubt. It's not even an argument, and they were 189 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:20,039 probably up to more. And forget about anybody who had 190 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:22,759 any kind of financial relationship with the guy. If you 191 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:26,399 were in bed with Epstein financially, you were engaging in 192 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:32,120 all kinds of malfeasans financial malfeasance. This dude had accounts everywhere. 193 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,240 But the whole world's a playground to these people. The 194 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:41,080 metal always meanwhile us, and that means all of us 195 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,960 out there, folks. I don't care if you're making four 196 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,919 ndred and fifty grand a year, eight hundred grand a year, 197 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,799 they look at you the same. We're the children of never. 198 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:54,480 They'll continue to, you know, play their game of thrones, right, 199 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,440 and you know, let us eat cake. But finally, I 200 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,720 think they have went too far this time. Most of 201 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:02,519 us are willing to look the other way when they're 202 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,279 stealing and they're drifting. That's part of politics, we expect it. 203 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,039 But when you look the other way for a human 204 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:12,519 trafficking operation, and then you sit here and you hear 205 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,919 in court about two former United States presidents, one from 206 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,519 each side of the aisle, by the way, having an 207 00:14:19,559 --> 00:14:23,720 intimate relationship with Jeffrey Epstein being multiple flyers on old 208 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,879 boys plane. If that doesn't make you sit back and 209 00:14:27,919 --> 00:14:31,159 take stock of where we are as a society and 210 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,360 what we're doing as a voting populist, I don't know 211 00:14:34,399 --> 00:14:40,000 what will, because from where I'm sitting, it is all 212 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,840 bad folks, and there's no oh, well this one did it, 213 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,519 or that one did it, or none of these people 214 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:55,039 are safe from the Jeffrey Epstein stink. I did an 215 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:59,440 episode a long time ago where I went through OpenSecrets 216 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,399 dot org where it lists all the people that have 217 00:15:02,559 --> 00:15:07,679 donated to political campaigns and stuff, and you'd be blown 218 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,679 away by how many people Jeffrey Epstein donated to throughout 219 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,200 the years, politically speaking, a massive amount of people on 220 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:21,559 both sides of the aisle by the way, so you 221 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:24,039 have to ask yourselves, what is it really that these 222 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,120 politicians are doing when you're hearing names like this in 223 00:15:27,159 --> 00:15:30,360 court and they don't have any kind of hearing on 224 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:33,480 the hill, or you know, they're not roffling any feathers. 225 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:38,279 You guys don't have any subpoenas for anybody. It is 226 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:46,159 a absolute black eye on society in general. And it 227 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:49,279 just shows you that unless it's a wedge issue, these 228 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:56,000 politicians really do not care. Let's see what else did 229 00:15:56,039 --> 00:16:03,039 mister Vesasky have to say today? They asked, mister uh Vysoski, 230 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:07,039 are you familiar with Prince with Prince Andrew, Vassoski said yes. 231 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:12,159 Then Christian Everdell, who is Glenn Maxwell's lawyer, he said, 232 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,559 and he flew on mister Epstein's plane, right, and Vasaski 233 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:18,159 said he did. So what they're trying to do here 234 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:21,360 by bringing up all of these names is to try 235 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:24,639 and say that Epstein was an upstanding citizen. Nothing was 236 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:27,039 going on on that plan, on those planes, he was 237 00:16:27,039 --> 00:16:29,879 hanging out with all of these upstanding other members of 238 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:35,840 the high society. It's the same excuse that Alan Dershowitz 239 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:39,000 tried to run and it doesn't hold water with me. 240 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,200 You know why, Well, you're all fellow travelers. I don't 241 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,919 look at any of you as upstanding citizens or pillars 242 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:48,559 of the community. We have one guy who's a reality 243 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,480 TV star who got elected, and then Bill Clinton. Do 244 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:55,000 I really need to go into this this moron, I mean, really, 245 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:00,159 this is the best we can do. So, you know, 246 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,079 you have this whole wild situation where he's trying to Everdell, 247 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,519 by the way I hear, is trying to set it 248 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,480 up where the excuse is, well, all of these other 249 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,519 people were on the plane, so it's cool, right, no 250 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:17,880 big deal, because all of these people are pillars of 251 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,480 the community, according to Christian Everdell. Meanwhile, anyone who's followed 252 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,079 this case knows that everybody he's brought up in that 253 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,240 sentence is somebody who has been accused of taking part 254 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,440 in the trafficking ring in one way or the other. 255 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:36,319 Bill Clinton, as far as enabling, and Prince Andrew a 256 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,599 lot more devious and a lot worse. So forgive me 257 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:44,319 if I don't look at those people as credible witnesses 258 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:53,400 to the cause. Here, he says, he also flew mister 259 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,480 Epstein to Columbus to see Les Wexner, which is interesting. 260 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,240 He goes on to say, on your flights to Interlogan, 261 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:05,839 wasn't Izach Pearlman on one? Vasoski says, yes he was. 262 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,640 And Epstein had a cabin there, right, Vasoski says yes, 263 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:13,240 and he means the cabin at Interlogan what like I 264 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:16,160 was just talking about earlier, like I referenced. So he 265 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,559 had this cabin there because he was, you know, this 266 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,119 big donor. And you know, you get when you have 267 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:24,039 when you have a bunch of cheddar, you have a 268 00:18:24,039 --> 00:18:27,960 lot more opportunities that spring up around you, you know, 269 00:18:28,079 --> 00:18:32,000 like most of us no chance, right, But people like 270 00:18:32,079 --> 00:18:35,319 Epstein somehow he trips over falls in a pile of 271 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:41,240 shit and comes out smelling like roses. So Epstein had 272 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,640 all the money in the world and he was able to, 273 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,960 you know, donate money to these universities and in turn 274 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:51,920 get access to these universities. And in this case not 275 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,720 a university, right, this is more there's a high school. 276 00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:56,759 This is a you know, a school for the talented 277 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:01,279 the gifted. But that was Epstein. We saw him do 278 00:19:01,319 --> 00:19:05,079 it in Harvard, we saw him do it at MIT, 279 00:19:05,319 --> 00:19:06,960 we saw him do it everywhere he went. It was 280 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,039 always about spreading that dough around so that he'd have 281 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:15,880 access to these campuses, to the scientists, and to the 282 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:22,880 whole entire situation. So that's pretty much the gist of 283 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:30,559 it for the Vesoski end, nothing too crazy. Besides him 284 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:38,400 talking about the Trump Clinton and some of the other 285 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:44,640 people that were on the plane, they also asked, did 286 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,559 you ever see Epstein engaging in sex acts with underage girls? 287 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,319 He probably If mister Epstein were engaging in sex acts 288 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:55,119 with underage girls, he probably would have told you not 289 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,400 to leave the cockpit, correct. So that was after a 290 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,799 line of questioning where they asked him if he was 291 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:03,240 able to leave the gulf stream to use the restroom, 292 00:20:03,759 --> 00:20:09,160 Which is kind of ridiculous, right, I mean to think 293 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,200 that Epstein wouldn't be able to maneuver around all of 294 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,839 that is crazy. And how many times would mister Vasasky 295 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,720 have to get up to use the restroom on one 296 00:20:18,759 --> 00:20:21,839 of these flights, I don't know, just a question I'm asking. 297 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:26,720 So just because he has access to the cabin doesn't 298 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,319 mean he actually has access to the cabin, if you 299 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:34,200 get my drift. But it looks like that's you know, 300 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,599 with the whole situation with Vasaski here, what they were 301 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:42,400 trying to establish is that Epstein did have all of 302 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,279 these people on these planes. These girls were on these planes. 303 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:50,759 And you know, even though Vasaski says that he didn't 304 00:20:50,759 --> 00:20:54,200 see anyone that he thought was young, I find that 305 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,519 very hard to believe. But I guess that's objectional, right. 306 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,839 You can't really say one way or the other what 307 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:05,559 he saw or didn't in as far as age of 308 00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:08,599 the girls, but it's it's pretty obvious when there's a 309 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:19,240 young woman. One other exchange between Vasaski and the prosecutors 310 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,319 was pretty interesting to me as well. Everdell said, and 311 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,720 Glaine seemed like a nice person to you, did she not? 312 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,680 Vassoski said she did. Everdell goes on to say, and 313 00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:32,319 you have two daughters, and you let them ride horses 314 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:36,279 with Glaine, right, Vassoski says, I did so. Again, what 315 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:39,160 they're trying to do is build credibility here to say 316 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,680 that Glene Maxwell is a good person, so good in fact, 317 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:49,519 that mister Vassosky would let his daughters ride horses with her. Christian. 318 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:52,279 Everdell goes on to say, you saw nothing in thirty 319 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,119 years that made you think mister Epstein was an abuser, right, 320 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,440 Vassoski says, I did not. Now, look with they, I 321 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,359 don't really trust the guy to be honest with you. 322 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,240 He was in Epstein's employee for a very long time 323 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,160 after the first arrest. He never came out and said anything, 324 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:12,880 kept quiet, and it took this whole entire proceeding to 325 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,279 even get him to say anything. So I'm not very 326 00:22:16,319 --> 00:22:18,799 confident in mister Vassoski here to be honest with you, 327 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:22,200 giving us the real story. He goes on to say. 328 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:28,079 Everdell goes nothing further, and then Judge Nathan orders the 329 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,200 redirect where Maureen Komi says, did you let your fourteen 330 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,359 year old daughter massage? Mister Epstein, Vassoski says, I did not, 331 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:40,960 And they finish it out with nothing further and we 332 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:47,799 call our next witness, Jane. So that was the Vassosky exchange, 333 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:51,839 and it was pretty interesting at the end there when 334 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:56,720 Komy drops the bomb of well did you let your 335 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:00,440 daughter's massage Jeffrey Epstein, and I thought that was one 336 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,000 of the biggest points of the exchange as far as 337 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:08,480 the whole entire cross examination or questioning procedure of the day. 338 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,240 All right, so let's dig into some of this testimony 339 00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:17,400 from Jane, Comy says, how old were you when you 340 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,200 first had sexual contact with Jeffrey Epstein? In response, Jane 341 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,480 says fourteen? Who was in the room with you? Asks Comy. 342 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,440 The response from Jane Glen Maxwell. Comy says, do you 343 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,839 see her here? Jane says yes, there in sort of 344 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,079 a beige turtleneck. Comy goes on to tell the court 345 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:45,359 that she has identified the defendant. Um. She goes on 346 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,759 to ask Comy what type of work did your father do? 347 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:51,359 Jane says, he was a musical composer. Then he died 348 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,279 of leukemia. His employer had canceled his health insurance without 349 00:23:55,319 --> 00:24:00,319 him knowing. We essentially went bankrupt and had to move out. 350 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:07,359 So that it's the typical move of Epstein, right, looks 351 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,680 for somebody who is in a vulnerable position and then 352 00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:13,960 dives in to try and you know, act like he's 353 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,680 going to save the day, but in reality, what he's 354 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,440 going to do is crush those dreams, the dreams and 355 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,279 hopes of the girls under his heel. And that was 356 00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:25,720 his mo with all of these girls from you know, 357 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,640 broken homes, or girls going through struggles, girls that have 358 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,880 parents around, drugs, whatever it might be. This is what 359 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:38,599 they zeroed in on. They go on to ask her. 360 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,720 The prosecutor goes on to ask her, when you were 361 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,880 at Interloken, did you meet a couple. Jane replies yes, 362 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,240 the woman had a dog and the man said they 363 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,359 were big benefactors. They asked for my mother's phone a landline. 364 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,880 So remember this is back in the day when there 365 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,599 was no cell phones yet, so you're still using landlines 366 00:24:57,599 --> 00:25:01,480 and all of that. Jazz So and Maxwell ask for 367 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,720 the landline number at our house. So Comy goes on 368 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,200 to ask when you visited, what do you remember about 369 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,640 spending time at the pool? Jane says, there were four 370 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,680 women in Galaine, all topless and some of them were naked. 371 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,279 I was shocked. I hadn't seen that before. Maxwell would 372 00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:23,559 ask me if I had boyfriends. Now, remember this is 373 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,039 a fourteen year old girl. So what they do in 374 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,880 situations like this, people like Epstein, they normalize this behavior 375 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,960 for their target, for the one that they're grooming. They 376 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,480 bring them around and these young girls see these other 377 00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:42,160 women who might seem educated or you know, hip, whatever, 378 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,880 it might be running around like this, participating in these activities, 379 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,480 and to the girl who has never been around this 380 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,200 stuff before, never been exposed to the upper crust of society, 381 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:56,039 she saying to herself, well, I guess this is normal, 382 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,759 and that's how the grooming process really begins, right, you 383 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:04,759 start to normalize this disgusting behavior. And we see it 384 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,079 with Epstein over and over and over again, and we 385 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:12,440 certainly see as Jane is telling us in her testimony here. 386 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:20,079 She also asked did Epstein begin to pay for things 387 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:23,599 for you? And Jane said voice lessons close things for school. 388 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:29,599 The prosecutor says, did Maxwell give you some advice? Jane 389 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,680 replies that if you f them, you can always f them. 390 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,480 They're sort of grandfathered in. I didn't know what it meant, 391 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,559 so Maxwell trying to hip her to the game. Right. 392 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:44,799 Once you start doing that, then you know you're all set. 393 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,400 You got them locked in. And really at the nexus 394 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,599 of all of this for Maxwell and Epstein was their honeytrap. 395 00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,000 You know, they were trying to build dossier's on people. 396 00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:59,920 This goes so much deeper than just your typical human 397 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:05,000 trafficking ring, and hopefully it's going to delve into that 398 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,799 a little more here at the trial, but I doubt it, 399 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,599 So I'll have a bunch of episodes that will fill 400 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:17,960 in context. Comey goes on to ask, what did they 401 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,039 tell you about their social circle? Jane says, Donald Trump, 402 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:25,279 Bill Clinton, Mike Wallace. So two top level politicians right 403 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:29,200 off the bat, two scuzbags, and then Mike Wallace, another 404 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:34,400 member of the esteemed legacy media. How many people in 405 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,000 the legacy media have to be brought up? And then 406 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:42,599 you got Mike Wallace here and his son Chris Wallace 407 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,640 running around yelling at people from their ivory towers. Talk 408 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,599 about hipocritical. But Epstein had a lot of buddies in 409 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,240 the media, a lot of friends in the legacy media, 410 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,000 guys like George Stepanopolis, Katie Kerk. These are all people 411 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,519 that have been to Jeffrey Epstein's house. She goes on 412 00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:05,440 to say, how is the house decorated? Jane says, art, sculptures, 413 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,359 pictures of famous people, presidents. I thought some of the 414 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,759 art was odd, naked women, creepy animals, and that was 415 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,240 one of the mos of Jeffrey Epstein and his decorating. 416 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,039 When you look into Jeffrey Epstein's story. They talk about 417 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:26,359 that at his places, real weirdly decorated, a lot of 418 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:33,519 odd stuff. Jane says, Epstein took me into the poolhouse. 419 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,240 He proceeded, oh man, this is trigger warning here, folks, 420 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,720 is a little graphic. Then he went he proceeded to 421 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,519 masturbate on me. Then he went into the bathroom and 422 00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:46,799 cleaned himself and acted like nothing happened. I'd never seen 423 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:49,960 that before. Comy goes on to say, did you keep 424 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,279 spending time with them? Jane says, yes. Now again, this 425 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,480 is part of the grooming process, making this normal, normalizing 426 00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:04,319 this behavior, and that's how they do it. And Maxwell 427 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:08,880 and Epstein were professionals, according to the survivors, according to 428 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:18,720 the girls who have made these allegations. Jane goes on 429 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,640 to say, Jeffrey proceeded to masturbate again. Glaine was rubbing 430 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,920 on him, kissing on him. How old were you fourteen? 431 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:29,160 She says, So they're trying to have their little tryst 432 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,279 here with this fourteen year old girl. And that's why 433 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,759 when Maxwell makes the assertions that she has no idea 434 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,680 the scope of Epstein's crimes or what Epstein was up to, 435 00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:43,039 it's laughable. To anybody who has read the court documents, 436 00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:46,200 when you just read the depositions and you read some 437 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,480 of the lawsuits that have been filed against her, it's laughable, 438 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,559 honestly that she would act like she didn't know the 439 00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:57,720 scope of what went on here. And when you hear 440 00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:00,680 it like this and you see a little girl in 441 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,079 court talking, I mean a woman now, but you think 442 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:05,920 about a little girl fourteen years old going through this, 443 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:12,160 and it's just mind blowing. She says, what was miss 444 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,519 Maxwell's demeanor? Like she was very casual, Like this was 445 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,200 entirely normal. I was confused when you were fourteen, you 446 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:23,759 have no idea what is going on? Prosecutor, Did Jeffrey 447 00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:29,039 Epstein touch you? Jane? Yes? Everywhere? So talk about creep 448 00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:35,839 factor increasing. Jeffrey Epstein was gross to begin with, And 449 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,519 imagine being one of these survivors, one of these little 450 00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:43,160 girls who has to touch this disgusting man with Glenn 451 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:47,480 Maxwell there egging it on and participating according to these allegations. 452 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:57,000 Talk about PTSD. The prosecutor says, did you touch mister Epstein? Jane? 453 00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:02,839 After a pause, everywhere, the prosecutor says again trigger warning, folks, 454 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,960 for some of you out there, who you know this 455 00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:09,240 might not be comfortable with. I'm sorry to ask you this, 456 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,960 but did he use sex toys? Jane yes, like those 457 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,200 back massagers. They were painful. He did it anyway, Assistant attorney, 458 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,039 I mean the prosecutor. Did Maxwell touch your body? Jane yes? 459 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,960 So again she just look, I don't want to underpin that, right. 460 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,000 I don't want to underplay that either, because it's a 461 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,880 big deal in open court. Maxwell was just accused of 462 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:39,279 partaking in the abuse. So when you read an article 463 00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:43,119 and they call her a socialite, how about accused child abuser? 464 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,880 How about accused child sex trafficker? How about accused scumbag? 465 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:58,400 Anything but socialite? The questioning goes on from the prosecutor. 466 00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:01,880 How often did these things happen? Jane says, every time 467 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,759 I visited, I went to visit his house. Prosecutor, did 468 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:09,920 you travel to his other homes? Jane yes? Then they uh, 469 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,640 she says. Comy says, we'll be back to that in 470 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,440 a bit. When other people were present, how did incidents start? 471 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:25,079 Jane says? Jeffrey would say, follow him, prosecutor, follow him where, 472 00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:28,880 Jane replies, to his bedroom or to the massage room. 473 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:30,880 He would get on the massage table and it would 474 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,960 sort of turn into this orgy. Prosecutor, how often was 475 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,160 Maxwell present? Jane, I can't give a precise number, so 476 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:45,160 obviously more than once according to this accuser. Now, that 477 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,720 doesn't jive with what Maxwell has to say, right, But 478 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,799 as we've seen so far, I really don't have the 479 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,319 faith in somebody who's being charged with perjury counts as 480 00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:58,559 somebody who was lied throughout this whole thing, to be honest. Now, 481 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,480 so I don't think that this young lady is lying 482 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:07,759 about this, right, And for Maxwell and her team already, 483 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:09,720 you were on day two and you could see why 484 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:15,759 the game of loopholes and technicalities were in such a 485 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,880 big way for Maxwell and their defense to start it 486 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,839 all out. They never wanted to get to this point, 487 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,839 like we've discussed. They knew once they got to court 488 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,799 it was going to be bad news for them. The 489 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,240 prosecutor goes on, during the incident, when you were fourteen, 490 00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:39,240 was Maxwell in the room? Jane replies, yes, prosecutor, when 491 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,400 you were fourteen, fifteen and sixteen. How many times did 492 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,799 you travel with them? Jane replies about ten times, to 493 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,359 New York City and New Mexico, on Jeffrey's plane. You know, again, 494 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,240 it's wild to me that zoro Ranch is not rated, 495 00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:55,880 not that it'll do any good now, right rating it 496 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,160 now means nothing. All of these places have to be 497 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,160 hit at the same time if you're gonna made a 498 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,880 criminal enterprise or else people will get rid of evidence. 499 00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:08,000 You know. I'm not inspector gadget or anything, but you 500 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:12,039 can't hit these places one out of time. So Zorol Ranch, 501 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,199 I know a lot of new listeners are listening out 502 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:22,920 there has never been rated. What kind of artwork did 503 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,840 they have, Jane, Yes, it was weird, animal heads, naked women, orgies. 504 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,559 It didn't seem very unusual at this point, Prosecutor, How 505 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,599 did you feel in the New York House, Jane, like 506 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,320 someone was always watching you. That's significant as well, because 507 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,079 remember we heard Larry Vesoski talking about how he did 508 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,800 audio work for Epstein blah blah blah, and we've heard 509 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,039 several other people come out and say they've installed audio 510 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,159 video at Epstein's properties. Package that with what we've heard 511 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:56,760 from the survivors Maria Farmer, Virginia and some others talking 512 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,719 about how everything was wired up for Epstein to record 513 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,000 every and watch everything and it all really comes into 514 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:06,480 a perspective, doesn't it. I've talked about this like building 515 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,880 a puzzle from the very beginning, and we started with 516 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,639 the corner pieces, and now we're getting a lot more 517 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:23,079 clarity as things start to come undone. What would Epstein 518 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:27,280 ask you to do again? Trigger warning, gross stuff coming 519 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,559 in Jane to straddle his face, to pinch his nipples. Prosecutor, 520 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,679 were there are times that Maxwell was present? Jane, yes, Prosecutor. 521 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,239 In the New York House, Where did this happen? Jane, 522 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,440 in the massage room. So we've heard about the massage room, 523 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:49,199 and also massage was code word in Epstein's world for sex. Oh, 524 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,960 let's go get a massage using air quotes, you know, 525 00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,280 like there were frat boys hanging out at the frat house. 526 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,199 On the trip to New Mexico. Where did you spend 527 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,239 most of your time, Jane on the ranch. It was 528 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,960 in the middle of nowhere, Uh, Prosecutor, did anyone come 529 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,239 into your room? Jane? Yes, someone came in and said 530 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,119 Jeffrey wants to see you and escorted me to see him. Now, 531 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,880 the ranch is in a desolate location. It's in Stanley, 532 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,320 New Mexico, like forty something miles outside of Santa Fe. 533 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,280 It's in the high desert and during the winter it 534 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,239 is absolutely freezing cold there. I was out there in 535 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,880 February of twenty twenty, and it was quite an eye 536 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:39,360 opening experience. The place is desolate as hell, and there 537 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,960 are no neighbors really, folks, right, So if you're a 538 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,280 girl out on this property, even if you want to 539 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,599 get away or leave, you have no shot unless you 540 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,239 if it's in the winter, especially summer too. I mean 541 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,599 it's hot as hell in the summer, but in the 542 00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:56,800 winter there's a lot of snow and the terrain is 543 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,639 very unforgiving. So it's a desolate place. And Epstein chose 544 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,320 New Mexico for a reason, several of them in fact, 545 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:09,159 and the desolation and having nobody around to stick their 546 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:13,039 nose in his business certainly one of the top reasons. 547 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,599 And this is horrible. When I was reading this earlier, 548 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,320 I can only imagine. I mean, this, poor lady, Jane sobbing. 549 00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,280 I did not want to go see him. Prosecutor, who 550 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,280 told you Epstein wanted to see you, Jane, I don't know. 551 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,760 I had to fly back to Florida to go to school. 552 00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:33,719 I took a commercial flight, but I was only fifteen 553 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:39,079 and didn't even have AVer's drivers permit. Jane continues, so 554 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,480 I couldn't get on the flight back to Florida, having 555 00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:44,480 no idea. I freaked out, but Maxwell helped solve it. 556 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,800 She talked to someone and I got on the plane. 557 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,199 Oh it must be nice. Huh. Let me just make 558 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,440 a phone call over to somebody and get you back 559 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,440 on the plane. Wild must be nice to have all 560 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,679 these connections, must be nice to hang out with ex presidents, 561 00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:08,519 princes and other assorted scumbags. What was your home life 562 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:12,119 like at the time, Jane replies, We were losing our home. 563 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,280 We moved into a pool house. Jane goes on to say, 564 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,239 my mom was enamored by the idea that these affluent 565 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,519 people were taking an interest in me. Maxwell's lawyer objects 566 00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:27,760 at this point under a hearsay, prosecutor goes on to say, 567 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,079 it's for the effect of the listener. Judge Nathan says, 568 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,079 you may ask that question, but not what the mother said. 569 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,679 So they have an approach blah blah blah, and they 570 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,800 discuss what was what they can and can't say at 571 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,360 a sidebar. Real quick they get back and the prosecutor 572 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,239 goes on to say, what did your mother say? Jane 573 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,880 says that I should be grateful for their attention. Imagine 574 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:59,119 that's what your mother says. Man. I can't these girls, 575 00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:03,119 these survivors, They've had a real, real hard road, folks, 576 00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:08,159 from the abuse actually happening, to nobody helping them, to 577 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:11,239 having their names dragged through the media by a jerk 578 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,280 off legacy media, to now having to relive all of 579 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,679 this again as this trial gets under away, and still 580 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,039 nobody's in prison over this. By the way, let's be 581 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:30,199 very clear, did you tell your siblings about the abuse? 582 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,280 Jane says no, I was ashamed, and I had a 583 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,800 manic depressed mother who didn't know how to cope. It 584 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,119 seemed hopeless. She goes on to say, I spoke to 585 00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:42,360 my school guidance counselor, who then called my mother. My 586 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,119 mother told me, you don't talk about what happens at 587 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:48,239 home and embarrass us. Unfortunately, that's the way it goes 588 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,480 in a lot of homes, right, very private, you know, 589 00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:53,960 don't talk about things outside of the home, etc. Etc. 590 00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:01,079 But in situations like this, I mean, imagine how hopeless 591 00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:03,079 it must be. Nowhere to turn. You can't tell your mom, 592 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:05,199 your siblings, You don't feel like anyone will believe you. 593 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,400 It's just I can't even imagine walking a day in 594 00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,199 her shoes or the shoes of any of these survivors. 595 00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:20,719 In fact, the prosecutor goes on to say, Jane, what 596 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,719 kind of work, what kind of work do you do now? 597 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,840 Jane says, I'm still an actor. I got work in 598 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,800 LA but I didn't know how to trust, how to reciprocate. 599 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,679 She goes on to say, when did you stop being 600 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,880 in touch with Jeffrey Epstein? Jane replies, in two thousand 601 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,400 and two, I fell in love with somebody. But Epstein 602 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,800 kept calling her and saying you wanted to see her, 603 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,719 and that he needed to be that she needed to 604 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,159 be grateful to him, and that her mother was living 605 00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:48,000 in one of his apartments. Do you want me to continue, 606 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,159 the prosecutor says, was that the last time? Jane says yes, 607 00:40:53,400 --> 00:41:00,559 So Epstein stopped calling her or kept trying to call her, 608 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:02,840 and after she said to him that she had a 609 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:08,119 boyfriend and was turning down his advances, seemed to be 610 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,639 that it ended up that was the last time she 611 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,000 was seeing him right the last time she had any 612 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,360 contact with him. The prosecutor goes on to say, later, 613 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,480 did you tell the man I'll call Matt about Epstein. 614 00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:26,480 Jane says, yes, not in detail, but I did. By then, 615 00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:28,880 you saw Epstein on the TV all the time he 616 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,239 had been arrested. Did the FBI interview you in September 617 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,840 twenty nineteen, the prosecutor said. Jane responds with yes. Now 618 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,519 remember the name Matt because it's significant for what's coming 619 00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:45,639 up tomorrow. She goes on to say, did you sue 620 00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:50,800 Glene Maxwell? Jane responds yes, and the Epstein's Victim Fund. 621 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,880 Jane says yes, they awarded her five million dollars and 622 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,880 she got approximately two point nine million of that. Still 623 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,440 not enough. I've said it from the beginning, they should 624 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,880 back the brink struck up when it comes to these girls. 625 00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:07,320 So it goes on with more questioning, and then of 626 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:13,239 course you have the cross examination by Glenn Maxwell's team, 627 00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:18,519 and they're going after her as far as her credibility, 628 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,039 asking her why did it take you, for instance, and 629 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,480 you had two personal injury attorneys with you, mister Glaxman 630 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:29,480 and mister Workman after it took her twenty years to complain, 631 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:33,360 So a manager says, two full decades before your report 632 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,599 to the police. By then mister Epstein was dead, correct, 633 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,960 And then manager goes on to say, in the twenty years, 634 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,519 you spoke to several people close to you, to the 635 00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:46,840 person we're referring to as Matt your sister Camilla, whereas 636 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,360 there was an objection by the prosecution. But this is 637 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,880 interesting because what she's trying to say is, well, you 638 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,719 didn't tell anybody right away, so how did this really happen? 639 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,679 Can we really believe you? While anyone who follows cases 640 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,599 like this understands repressed memory. So that's the basic line 641 00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:12,880 of questioning for Menager and Maxwell's legal team. And it's 642 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,360 exactly what we thought it would be. We thought it 643 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,719 would be going after her credibility, we thought it would 644 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,840 be going after who she is, and that's exactly what 645 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,519 we saw here today. So that was nothing out of 646 00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:30,320 the ordinary. For sure, it was expected, at least by me. 647 00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:34,559 Now I don't think it's a winning strategy, however, so 648 00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:38,480 we'll have to see. But that is pretty much where 649 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,760 we're at today, folks. The two witnesses that were on 650 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,119 the stand, a basic gist of about what the back 651 00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:47,559 and forth was about, and caught up for the night. 652 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,840 So obviously I will be back tomorrow morning, same time. 653 00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:56,599 Early in the morning. We'll get an idea of what 654 00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:58,320 the lay of the land is, take a look at 655 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,920 some of the headlines, and I'll do the same thing 656 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,679 I did today, sit around and follow the thread over 657 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,000 at Inner City Press. If you're on Twitter, you definitely 658 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,239 need to check them out and give them a follow, 659 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,920 because they're doing really good coverage here on the case 660 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:14,159 and that's where I'm able to get these quotes from. 661 00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:17,360 So we'll do the same thing tomorrow. I'll go through 662 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,920 it again. I'll notate some stuff that I find important, 663 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,840 and we'll go through it. So I appreciate everybody joining 664 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,360 me for another evening, and I hope that all of 665 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,760 you have a great night. If you'd like to contact me, 666 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,320 you can do that at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. 667 00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:39,559 That's bo bby c ap you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. 668 00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:44,159 You can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore 669 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,440 c ap u Cci.