Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
So we slide into day two of the Glaine Maxwell trial,
and we had two witnesses on the stand today. They
continued with the questioning of pilot Larry Vasaski, who had
some pretty interesting things to add to the conversation, and
they also had on a Jane Doe. Now, the Jane
Doe is the young lady who was allegedly groomed and
abused from the Interlocan School in Michigan. It is an
art school, a you know, a ritzy kind of music school,
and that's where her abuse began and where Jeffrey Epstein
and Glaine Maxwell allegedly met her for the first time.
And obviously we don't have a pipeline into the courtroom
as far as as audio, so all we're relying on
is transcripts. But it seems to me that it was
a pretty brutal line of questioning for Jane Doe. And
like I said earlier a million times, that's to be expected.
This is the sort of defense that they're going to pursue.
They're going to look to destroy the credibility of the witnesses.
They're going to look to do whatever they can to
impugne their character. And that is the age old tactic
that has been used in cases like this forever. The
real question becomes is it going to work? Now? Recently
we have seen that it did not work in the
Harvey Weinstein case, it didn't work in the Keith Raynieri
in Nexium case, and it certainly didn't work in the
bilk Osby case either. Now, obviously Bill Cosby got off
on a technicality, but my point is the argument within
the courtroom, when you're setting these victims up, these survivors
up as being at fault or like they did something wrong.
Let's keep everything into context. Okay, this was a little
girl at school and Epstein and Maxwell, according to her allegations,
thought it would be a good idea to try and
pick her up and groom her and then start traveling
with her all over the country and abusing her at
the same time. Now, I have done an episode previously
on the situation in Michigan. There's an article in the
Daily Mail dealing with it. I'm gonna post that episode
later on and you folks can dive into that if
you'd like. But it was a pretty rough read listening
to her, or I guess I should say, reading back
her account of what occurred and how the whole entire
process evolved. Now, she was coming off of like usual
with Jeffrey Epstein and his cronies. She was in a
situation where her dad had just died, her mom was
certainly not swimming in the dough, and they had some
financial issues. So you have this benefactor that comes riding
in on his white horse with his little associate and
her nice little Oxford accent, and they offer you the world.
Now me, I'm cynical as hell. I learned a long
time ago from my dad that I don't have any
rich uncles. I don't have any benefactors that are riding
in to save the day for me. So I would
be apprehensive, for sure. But when you're you know, somebody
else's shoes, I don't know what the deal is in
a school like that. Maybe it's something that happens all
the time. I want to public school. I have no idea.
But for me personally, if it was my child, you know,
I would be very cautious of these people just materializing
from nowhere. But again, when you look at the whole
entire situation. There's no reason for this family to suspect
that these people are going to do these heinous acts.
They're on this campus, which is supposed to be a
safe place. Are we not going to talk about how
the school should have a little bit of responsibility for
what happened here? And I guess that really gets down
to the core of my issue with all of this, folks.
And for those of you who have been listening to
me forever, you know all of this already. But there
has been obviously an influx of new listeners in the
last few days due to the nature of the case.
But it's always been one of my biggest issues with
this whole entire thing, and it's just it's aggravating, right,
it is just aggravating. But her on the stand today
put a whole different spin on everything, put a whole
different feel to it. Right. We've heard in the interview
in the Daily Mail when she's you know, talking about
the experiences at the school, what it was like for
But it's a whole different ballgame when you're in the courtroom,
you're testifying, and you're looking at your alleged abuser in
the eye, right, So it's nice to see, at the
very least on the ground level, a little bit of
justice is hopefully going to be served up here. But
when you go into it and you dig deeper, it's
situations like how the school is going to get off
without any accountability that are wild to me. And back
to the point I was making earlier, it's something that
I've drilled home for quite some time on this podcast
because all of the enablers, the people around Epstein, all
of these people that were helping him rebuild his image,
helping him harbor his secrets, all of these people are culpable. Now,
there's different levels of culpability, right. Not everybody was involved
in the actual abuse part what was going on here,
But there are a bunch of players on the stage,
some of them that were named today at the trial,
that are accused, incredibly accused, i might add, of actually
taking part in the abuse. You have people like George Mitchell,
you have all kinds of big profile people, Glenn Dubin,
Bill Richardson, And these are the people who were facilitating
all of this and at the same time, according to
the credible allegations, partaking in the abuse themselves. So when
you look at it, there's layers, right, It's almost like
a lasagna of shit with all the different layers of
garbage that you have to get through to get to
the nexus of the problem. And that's how Epstein kept
himself insulated. It was just like any other criminal organization,
like any other criminal enterprise. And that's why you see
people who have been following this case for a long time,
and frankly a lot of the survivors get so agitated
that none of the other core participants have been indicted,
because this couldn't happen right without all of these other participants.
And that goes for the school in Michigan, Interlogan. They
have to have some responsibility for what occurs on their campus.
Considering Jeffrey Epstein had a little chalet, a little cabin
on the campus. I mean, really, it's just like him
over at Harvard. Dude literally had the keys to the
kingdom at Harvard. And sure, we get a lot of
these crocodile tear apologies, and we get these internal investigations
and all of that jazz, but in reality, there's no
penalties for these people. They just shrugged their shoulders and
keep it moving. And if any of these people who
were associating with Jeffrey Epstein after his first arrest, even
attempt to act like they had no idea what he was. Well,
that's somebody that I'm pretty confident in calling a liar.
Pretty sure everybody had Google back then, right, jump on
the internet and check out Jeffrey Epstein what he was
up to. It was all over the news. But yet
you'll have these people who think you're stupid enough to
believe that they had no idea what Jeffrey Epstein was.
And that's the running line, right, Oh, we had no idea,
we had no clue. That's not odd that a man
with no children, no children even in his vicinity, has
all of these young looking girls around. But you know,
when you're a fellow traveler and all, it's probably not
out of the normal. It's probably just the way things
are so today, like I said, the two witnesses on
the stand were Larry Vassoski and A Jane Doe. So
first we're going to talk a little bit about Larry
Vasaski and what he had to say on the on
the stand today. First, he was talking about the flights
to Interlogan and he was talking about some of the
people that were on some of these flights. Interlocan was
Epstein and Maxwell obviously, but on some of these other
flights he was talking about people like Bill Clinton was mentioned.
Let's see, Donald Trump was mentioned. Uh who else do
we got here? Uh, Prince Andrew, it's Zach Pearlman. It's crazy.
It is crazy to think that all of these people,
all of these people were on these planes and everybody
knew about it, right, But the legacy media, they couldn't
be bothered to let all of you know about it.
They were always talking about some big conspiracy theory around Epstein. Yeah, right,
This has always been a criminal conspiracy. This was never
a conspiracy theory. Now, don't get me wrong. There are
some wild propositions when we talk about Epstein in this case, right,
a bunch of weird theories, and I'm agnostic on all
of it. I don't I don't know what occurred for sure.
All I can go on is what we have the
evidence to go on. Right. But one thing is certain,
and I bring up these people on the plane to
point out what I was talking about earlier. This is
not a left or right issue, folks. This is about
the super elite, the one percent of the one percent, basically,
who look at us like we're chattel. They look at
us our children like we mean nothing. Human trafficking operations,
endless war, dividing the populace, and it just goes on
and on and on again. All of these people, all
of these politicians, none of them care about us. Let
me ask you a question. How many of these congressmen
are congress Congress congressmen or congress women have been out there, yeah,
and screaming from every mountaintop about investigations into Epstein and
the handling of the Epstein case on a federal level.
All wait, very few of them, folks. And the ones
that have been, well, guess what they sure can get
all of these other conferences up on the hill, right.
They whipped up the January sixth conference pretty quick. They
brought up a bunch of baseball players over steroids pretty quick,
and insert every other issue here. But all of a
sudden they have no interest in a case such as Epstein's. Meanwhile,
we have all of these big time players being involved, Trump, Clinton,
Prince Andrew aka the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family.
By the way, all of these cats and now again
besides Prince Andrew. I'm not saying that these dudes were
taking part in the trafficking operation as far as abusing
people until that comes out with some evidence to back
it up, or I hear the survivors say that right then,
of course, it's definitely something that needs to be talked
about in the same vein as Glenn Dubin or Bill Richardson.
But these guys were for sure enabling Jeffrey Epstein without
a doubt. It's not even an argument, and they were
probably up to more. And forget about anybody who had
any kind of financial relationship with the guy. If you
were in bed with Epstein financially, you were engaging in
all kinds of malfeasans financial malfeasance. This dude had accounts everywhere.
But the whole world's a playground to these people. The
metal always meanwhile us, and that means all of us
out there, folks. I don't care if you're making four
ndred and fifty grand a year, eight hundred grand a year,
they look at you the same. We're the children of never.
They'll continue to, you know, play their game of thrones, right,
and you know, let us eat cake. But finally, I
think they have went too far this time. Most of
us are willing to look the other way when they're
stealing and they're drifting. That's part of politics, we expect it.
But when you look the other way for a human
trafficking operation, and then you sit here and you hear
in court about two former United States presidents, one from
each side of the aisle, by the way, having an
intimate relationship with Jeffrey Epstein being multiple flyers on old
boys plane. If that doesn't make you sit back and
take stock of where we are as a society and
what we're doing as a voting populist, I don't know
what will, because from where I'm sitting, it is all
bad folks, and there's no oh, well this one did it,
or that one did it, or none of these people
are safe from the Jeffrey Epstein stink. I did an
episode a long time ago where I went through OpenSecrets
dot org where it lists all the people that have
donated to political campaigns and stuff, and you'd be blown
away by how many people Jeffrey Epstein donated to throughout
the years, politically speaking, a massive amount of people on
both sides of the aisle by the way, so you
have to ask yourselves, what is it really that these
politicians are doing when you're hearing names like this in
court and they don't have any kind of hearing on
the hill, or you know, they're not roffling any feathers.
You guys don't have any subpoenas for anybody. It is
a absolute black eye on society in general. And it
just shows you that unless it's a wedge issue, these
politicians really do not care. Let's see what else did
mister Vesasky have to say today? They asked, mister uh Vysoski,
are you familiar with Prince with Prince Andrew, Vassoski said yes.
Then Christian Everdell, who is Glenn Maxwell's lawyer, he said,
and he flew on mister Epstein's plane, right, and Vasaski
said he did. So what they're trying to do here
by bringing up all of these names is to try
and say that Epstein was an upstanding citizen. Nothing was
going on on that plan, on those planes, he was
hanging out with all of these upstanding other members of
the high society. It's the same excuse that Alan Dershowitz
tried to run and it doesn't hold water with me.
You know why, Well, you're all fellow travelers. I don't
look at any of you as upstanding citizens or pillars
of the community. We have one guy who's a reality
TV star who got elected, and then Bill Clinton. Do
I really need to go into this this moron, I mean, really,
this is the best we can do. So, you know,
you have this whole wild situation where he's trying to Everdell,
by the way I hear, is trying to set it
up where the excuse is, well, all of these other
people were on the plane, so it's cool, right, no
big deal, because all of these people are pillars of
the community, according to Christian Everdell. Meanwhile, anyone who's followed
this case knows that everybody he's brought up in that
sentence is somebody who has been accused of taking part
in the trafficking ring in one way or the other.
Bill Clinton, as far as enabling, and Prince Andrew a
lot more devious and a lot worse. So forgive me
if I don't look at those people as credible witnesses
to the cause. Here, he says, he also flew mister
Epstein to Columbus to see Les Wexner, which is interesting.
He goes on to say, on your flights to Interlogan,
wasn't Izach Pearlman on one? Vasoski says, yes he was.
And Epstein had a cabin there, right, Vasoski says yes,
and he means the cabin at Interlogan what like I
was just talking about earlier, like I referenced. So he
had this cabin there because he was, you know, this
big donor. And you know, you get when you have
when you have a bunch of cheddar, you have a
lot more opportunities that spring up around you, you know,
like most of us no chance, right, But people like
Epstein somehow he trips over falls in a pile of
shit and comes out smelling like roses. So Epstein had
all the money in the world and he was able to,
you know, donate money to these universities and in turn
get access to these universities. And in this case not
a university, right, this is more there's a high school.
This is a you know, a school for the talented
the gifted. But that was Epstein. We saw him do
it in Harvard, we saw him do it at MIT,
we saw him do it everywhere he went. It was
always about spreading that dough around so that he'd have
access to these campuses, to the scientists, and to the
whole entire situation. So that's pretty much the gist of
it for the Vesoski end, nothing too crazy. Besides him
talking about the Trump Clinton and some of the other
people that were on the plane, they also asked, did
you ever see Epstein engaging in sex acts with underage girls?
He probably If mister Epstein were engaging in sex acts
with underage girls, he probably would have told you not
to leave the cockpit, correct. So that was after a
line of questioning where they asked him if he was
able to leave the gulf stream to use the restroom,
Which is kind of ridiculous, right, I mean to think
that Epstein wouldn't be able to maneuver around all of
that is crazy. And how many times would mister Vasasky
have to get up to use the restroom on one
of these flights, I don't know, just a question I'm asking.
So just because he has access to the cabin doesn't
mean he actually has access to the cabin, if you
get my drift. But it looks like that's you know,
with the whole situation with Vasaski here, what they were
trying to establish is that Epstein did have all of
these people on these planes. These girls were on these planes.
And you know, even though Vasaski says that he didn't
see anyone that he thought was young, I find that
very hard to believe. But I guess that's objectional, right.
You can't really say one way or the other what
he saw or didn't in as far as age of
the girls, but it's it's pretty obvious when there's a
young woman. One other exchange between Vasaski and the prosecutors
was pretty interesting to me as well. Everdell said, and
Glaine seemed like a nice person to you, did she not?
Vassoski said she did. Everdell goes on to say, and
you have two daughters, and you let them ride horses
with Glaine, right, Vassoski says, I did so. Again, what
they're trying to do is build credibility here to say
that Glene Maxwell is a good person, so good in fact,
that mister Vassosky would let his daughters ride horses with her. Christian.
Everdell goes on to say, you saw nothing in thirty
years that made you think mister Epstein was an abuser, right,
Vassoski says, I did not. Now, look with they, I
don't really trust the guy to be honest with you.
He was in Epstein's employee for a very long time
after the first arrest. He never came out and said anything,
kept quiet, and it took this whole entire proceeding to
even get him to say anything. So I'm not very
confident in mister Vassoski here to be honest with you,
giving us the real story. He goes on to say.
Everdell goes nothing further, and then Judge Nathan orders the
redirect where Maureen Komi says, did you let your fourteen
year old daughter massage? Mister Epstein, Vassoski says, I did not,
And they finish it out with nothing further and we
call our next witness, Jane. So that was the Vassosky exchange,
and it was pretty interesting at the end there when
Komy drops the bomb of well did you let your
daughter's massage Jeffrey Epstein, and I thought that was one
of the biggest points of the exchange as far as
the whole entire cross examination or questioning procedure of the day.
All right, so let's dig into some of this testimony
from Jane, Comy says, how old were you when you
first had sexual contact with Jeffrey Epstein? In response, Jane
says fourteen? Who was in the room with you? Asks Comy.
The response from Jane Glen Maxwell. Comy says, do you
see her here? Jane says yes, there in sort of
a beige turtleneck. Comy goes on to tell the court
that she has identified the defendant. Um. She goes on
to ask Comy what type of work did your father do?
Jane says, he was a musical composer. Then he died
of leukemia. His employer had canceled his health insurance without
him knowing. We essentially went bankrupt and had to move out.
So that it's the typical move of Epstein, right, looks
for somebody who is in a vulnerable position and then
dives in to try and you know, act like he's
going to save the day, but in reality, what he's
going to do is crush those dreams, the dreams and
hopes of the girls under his heel. And that was
his mo with all of these girls from you know,
broken homes, or girls going through struggles, girls that have
parents around, drugs, whatever it might be. This is what
they zeroed in on. They go on to ask her.
The prosecutor goes on to ask her, when you were
at Interloken, did you meet a couple. Jane replies yes,
the woman had a dog and the man said they
were big benefactors. They asked for my mother's phone a landline.
So remember this is back in the day when there
was no cell phones yet, so you're still using landlines
and all of that. Jazz So and Maxwell ask for
the landline number at our house. So Comy goes on
to ask when you visited, what do you remember about
spending time at the pool? Jane says, there were four
women in Galaine, all topless and some of them were naked.
I was shocked. I hadn't seen that before. Maxwell would
ask me if I had boyfriends. Now, remember this is
a fourteen year old girl. So what they do in
situations like this, people like Epstein, they normalize this behavior
for their target, for the one that they're grooming. They
bring them around and these young girls see these other
women who might seem educated or you know, hip, whatever,
it might be running around like this, participating in these activities,
and to the girl who has never been around this
stuff before, never been exposed to the upper crust of society,
she saying to herself, well, I guess this is normal,
and that's how the grooming process really begins, right, you
start to normalize this disgusting behavior. And we see it
with Epstein over and over and over again, and we
certainly see as Jane is telling us in her testimony here.
She also asked did Epstein begin to pay for things
for you? And Jane said voice lessons close things for school.
The prosecutor says, did Maxwell give you some advice? Jane
replies that if you f them, you can always f them.
They're sort of grandfathered in. I didn't know what it meant,
so Maxwell trying to hip her to the game. Right.
Once you start doing that, then you know you're all set.
You got them locked in. And really at the nexus
of all of this for Maxwell and Epstein was their honeytrap.
You know, they were trying to build dossier's on people.
This goes so much deeper than just your typical human
trafficking ring, and hopefully it's going to delve into that
a little more here at the trial, but I doubt it,
So I'll have a bunch of episodes that will fill
in context. Comey goes on to ask, what did they
tell you about their social circle? Jane says, Donald Trump,
Bill Clinton, Mike Wallace. So two top level politicians right
off the bat, two scuzbags, and then Mike Wallace, another
member of the esteemed legacy media. How many people in
the legacy media have to be brought up? And then
you got Mike Wallace here and his son Chris Wallace
running around yelling at people from their ivory towers. Talk
about hipocritical. But Epstein had a lot of buddies in
the media, a lot of friends in the legacy media,
guys like George Stepanopolis, Katie Kerk. These are all people
that have been to Jeffrey Epstein's house. She goes on
to say, how is the house decorated? Jane says, art, sculptures,
pictures of famous people, presidents. I thought some of the
art was odd, naked women, creepy animals, and that was
one of the mos of Jeffrey Epstein and his decorating.
When you look into Jeffrey Epstein's story. They talk about
that at his places, real weirdly decorated, a lot of
odd stuff. Jane says, Epstein took me into the poolhouse.
He proceeded, oh man, this is trigger warning here, folks,
is a little graphic. Then he went he proceeded to
masturbate on me. Then he went into the bathroom and
cleaned himself and acted like nothing happened. I'd never seen
that before. Comy goes on to say, did you keep
spending time with them? Jane says, yes. Now again, this
is part of the grooming process, making this normal, normalizing
this behavior, and that's how they do it. And Maxwell
and Epstein were professionals, according to the survivors, according to
the girls who have made these allegations. Jane goes on
to say, Jeffrey proceeded to masturbate again. Glaine was rubbing
on him, kissing on him. How old were you fourteen?
She says, So they're trying to have their little tryst
here with this fourteen year old girl. And that's why
when Maxwell makes the assertions that she has no idea
the scope of Epstein's crimes or what Epstein was up to,
it's laughable. To anybody who has read the court documents,
when you just read the depositions and you read some
of the lawsuits that have been filed against her, it's laughable,
honestly that she would act like she didn't know the
scope of what went on here. And when you hear
it like this and you see a little girl in
court talking, I mean a woman now, but you think
about a little girl fourteen years old going through this,
and it's just mind blowing. She says, what was miss
Maxwell's demeanor? Like she was very casual, Like this was
entirely normal. I was confused when you were fourteen, you
have no idea what is going on? Prosecutor, Did Jeffrey
Epstein touch you? Jane? Yes? Everywhere? So talk about creep
factor increasing. Jeffrey Epstein was gross to begin with, And
imagine being one of these survivors, one of these little
girls who has to touch this disgusting man with Glenn
Maxwell there egging it on and participating according to these allegations.
Talk about PTSD. The prosecutor says, did you touch mister Epstein? Jane?
After a pause, everywhere, the prosecutor says again trigger warning, folks,
for some of you out there, who you know this
might not be comfortable with. I'm sorry to ask you this,
but did he use sex toys? Jane yes, like those
back massagers. They were painful. He did it anyway, Assistant attorney,
I mean the prosecutor. Did Maxwell touch your body? Jane yes?
So again she just look, I don't want to underpin that, right.
I don't want to underplay that either, because it's a
big deal in open court. Maxwell was just accused of
partaking in the abuse. So when you read an article
and they call her a socialite, how about accused child abuser?
How about accused child sex trafficker? How about accused scumbag?
Anything but socialite? The questioning goes on from the prosecutor.
How often did these things happen? Jane says, every time
I visited, I went to visit his house. Prosecutor, did
you travel to his other homes? Jane yes? Then they uh,
she says. Comy says, we'll be back to that in
a bit. When other people were present, how did incidents start?
Jane says? Jeffrey would say, follow him, prosecutor, follow him where,
Jane replies, to his bedroom or to the massage room.
He would get on the massage table and it would
sort of turn into this orgy. Prosecutor, how often was
Maxwell present? Jane, I can't give a precise number, so
obviously more than once according to this accuser. Now, that
doesn't jive with what Maxwell has to say, right, But
as we've seen so far, I really don't have the
faith in somebody who's being charged with perjury counts as
somebody who was lied throughout this whole thing, to be honest. Now,
so I don't think that this young lady is lying
about this, right, And for Maxwell and her team already,
you were on day two and you could see why
the game of loopholes and technicalities were in such a
big way for Maxwell and their defense to start it
all out. They never wanted to get to this point,
like we've discussed. They knew once they got to court
it was going to be bad news for them. The
prosecutor goes on, during the incident, when you were fourteen,
was Maxwell in the room? Jane replies, yes, prosecutor, when
you were fourteen, fifteen and sixteen. How many times did
you travel with them? Jane replies about ten times, to
New York City and New Mexico, on Jeffrey's plane. You know, again,
it's wild to me that zoro Ranch is not rated,
not that it'll do any good now, right rating it
now means nothing. All of these places have to be
hit at the same time if you're gonna made a
criminal enterprise or else people will get rid of evidence.
You know. I'm not inspector gadget or anything, but you
can't hit these places one out of time. So Zorol Ranch,
I know a lot of new listeners are listening out
there has never been rated. What kind of artwork did
they have, Jane, Yes, it was weird, animal heads, naked women, orgies.
It didn't seem very unusual at this point, Prosecutor, How
did you feel in the New York House, Jane, like
someone was always watching you. That's significant as well, because
remember we heard Larry Vesoski talking about how he did
audio work for Epstein blah blah blah, and we've heard
several other people come out and say they've installed audio
video at Epstein's properties. Package that with what we've heard
from the survivors Maria Farmer, Virginia and some others talking
about how everything was wired up for Epstein to record
every and watch everything and it all really comes into
a perspective, doesn't it. I've talked about this like building
a puzzle from the very beginning, and we started with
the corner pieces, and now we're getting a lot more
clarity as things start to come undone. What would Epstein
ask you to do again? Trigger warning, gross stuff coming
in Jane to straddle his face, to pinch his nipples. Prosecutor,
were there are times that Maxwell was present? Jane, yes, Prosecutor.
In the New York House, Where did this happen? Jane,
in the massage room. So we've heard about the massage room,
and also massage was code word in Epstein's world for sex. Oh,
let's go get a massage using air quotes, you know,
like there were frat boys hanging out at the frat house.
On the trip to New Mexico. Where did you spend
most of your time, Jane on the ranch. It was
in the middle of nowhere, Uh, Prosecutor, did anyone come
into your room? Jane? Yes, someone came in and said
Jeffrey wants to see you and escorted me to see him. Now,
the ranch is in a desolate location. It's in Stanley,
New Mexico, like forty something miles outside of Santa Fe.
It's in the high desert and during the winter it
is absolutely freezing cold there. I was out there in
February of twenty twenty, and it was quite an eye
opening experience. The place is desolate as hell, and there
are no neighbors really, folks, right, So if you're a
girl out on this property, even if you want to
get away or leave, you have no shot unless you
if it's in the winter, especially summer too. I mean
it's hot as hell in the summer, but in the
winter there's a lot of snow and the terrain is
very unforgiving. So it's a desolate place. And Epstein chose
New Mexico for a reason, several of them in fact,
and the desolation and having nobody around to stick their
nose in his business certainly one of the top reasons.
And this is horrible. When I was reading this earlier,
I can only imagine. I mean, this, poor lady, Jane sobbing.
I did not want to go see him. Prosecutor, who
told you Epstein wanted to see you, Jane, I don't know.
I had to fly back to Florida to go to school.
I took a commercial flight, but I was only fifteen
and didn't even have AVer's drivers permit. Jane continues, so
I couldn't get on the flight back to Florida, having
no idea. I freaked out, but Maxwell helped solve it.
She talked to someone and I got on the plane.
Oh it must be nice. Huh. Let me just make
a phone call over to somebody and get you back
on the plane. Wild must be nice to have all
these connections, must be nice to hang out with ex presidents,
princes and other assorted scumbags. What was your home life
like at the time, Jane replies, We were losing our home.
We moved into a pool house. Jane goes on to say,
my mom was enamored by the idea that these affluent
people were taking an interest in me. Maxwell's lawyer objects
at this point under a hearsay, prosecutor goes on to say,
it's for the effect of the listener. Judge Nathan says,
you may ask that question, but not what the mother said.
So they have an approach blah blah blah, and they
discuss what was what they can and can't say at
a sidebar. Real quick they get back and the prosecutor
goes on to say, what did your mother say? Jane
says that I should be grateful for their attention. Imagine
that's what your mother says. Man. I can't these girls,
these survivors, They've had a real, real hard road, folks,
from the abuse actually happening, to nobody helping them, to
having their names dragged through the media by a jerk
off legacy media, to now having to relive all of
this again as this trial gets under away, and still
nobody's in prison over this. By the way, let's be
very clear, did you tell your siblings about the abuse?
Jane says no, I was ashamed, and I had a
manic depressed mother who didn't know how to cope. It
seemed hopeless. She goes on to say, I spoke to
my school guidance counselor, who then called my mother. My
mother told me, you don't talk about what happens at
home and embarrass us. Unfortunately, that's the way it goes
in a lot of homes, right, very private, you know,
don't talk about things outside of the home, etc. Etc.
But in situations like this, I mean, imagine how hopeless
it must be. Nowhere to turn. You can't tell your mom,
your siblings, You don't feel like anyone will believe you.
It's just I can't even imagine walking a day in
her shoes or the shoes of any of these survivors.
In fact, the prosecutor goes on to say, Jane, what
kind of work, what kind of work do you do now?
Jane says, I'm still an actor. I got work in
LA but I didn't know how to trust, how to reciprocate.
She goes on to say, when did you stop being
in touch with Jeffrey Epstein? Jane replies, in two thousand
and two, I fell in love with somebody. But Epstein
kept calling her and saying you wanted to see her,
and that he needed to be that she needed to
be grateful to him, and that her mother was living
in one of his apartments. Do you want me to continue,
the prosecutor says, was that the last time? Jane says yes,
So Epstein stopped calling her or kept trying to call her,
and after she said to him that she had a
boyfriend and was turning down his advances, seemed to be
that it ended up that was the last time she
was seeing him right the last time she had any
contact with him. The prosecutor goes on to say, later,
did you tell the man I'll call Matt about Epstein.
Jane says, yes, not in detail, but I did. By then,
you saw Epstein on the TV all the time he
had been arrested. Did the FBI interview you in September
twenty nineteen, the prosecutor said. Jane responds with yes. Now
remember the name Matt because it's significant for what's coming
up tomorrow. She goes on to say, did you sue
Glene Maxwell? Jane responds yes, and the Epstein's Victim Fund.
Jane says yes, they awarded her five million dollars and
she got approximately two point nine million of that. Still
not enough. I've said it from the beginning, they should
back the brink struck up when it comes to these girls.
So it goes on with more questioning, and then of
course you have the cross examination by Glenn Maxwell's team,
and they're going after her as far as her credibility,
asking her why did it take you, for instance, and
you had two personal injury attorneys with you, mister Glaxman
and mister Workman after it took her twenty years to complain,
So a manager says, two full decades before your report
to the police. By then mister Epstein was dead, correct,
And then manager goes on to say, in the twenty years,
you spoke to several people close to you, to the
person we're referring to as Matt your sister Camilla, whereas
there was an objection by the prosecution. But this is
interesting because what she's trying to say is, well, you
didn't tell anybody right away, so how did this really happen?
Can we really believe you? While anyone who follows cases
like this understands repressed memory. So that's the basic line
of questioning for Menager and Maxwell's legal team. And it's
exactly what we thought it would be. We thought it
would be going after her credibility, we thought it would
be going after who she is, and that's exactly what
we saw here today. So that was nothing out of
the ordinary. For sure, it was expected, at least by me.
Now I don't think it's a winning strategy, however, so
we'll have to see. But that is pretty much where
we're at today, folks. The two witnesses that were on
the stand, a basic gist of about what the back
and forth was about, and caught up for the night.
So obviously I will be back tomorrow morning, same time.
Early in the morning. We'll get an idea of what
the lay of the land is, take a look at
some of the headlines, and I'll do the same thing
I did today, sit around and follow the thread over
at Inner City Press. If you're on Twitter, you definitely
need to check them out and give them a follow,
because they're doing really good coverage here on the case
and that's where I'm able to get these quotes from.
So we'll do the same thing tomorrow. I'll go through
it again. I'll notate some stuff that I find important,
and we'll go through it. So I appreciate everybody joining
me for another evening, and I hope that all of
you have a great night. If you'd like to contact me,
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