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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, that dam's miss sure as Welcome back

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to Then and Now, the show we do every week

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this week we have a very special guest, mister J. Dyer,

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author himself of a few books, Meta Narratives, essays on

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philosophy and symbolism and Esoteric Hollywood one and two and

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number three is coming out very very soon. Welcome gentlemen,

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good to see you. Nice to have you on preparing

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for this talk about the new American Pope. I was

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doing some research into your latest talks. Of course, listen

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to Jay Dyer over on Tim Poole. This is almost

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what could be an intervention for you, Jay, Like we

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want to know why you had to melt poor poor

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Timmy Poole's head so much. I thought that Beanie was

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popping off his head. This is your first time on

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the show. You may not know this, sir, but I'm

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a bit of a logic professor myself, and I've got

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the documentation to prove it right here. If you want

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me to prove it to the stream, well you have

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to hit those goals. We have a thousand dollars left

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help support the show anyway, which any which way you can,

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and I'm glad to have you. So, mister J. Dyer,

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thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Thanks glad to be here. Were you joking on being

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serious about being a logic professor?

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Speaker 1: No, well self proclaimed sir. I'm from my own from

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my own university, crayon Eater University. Uh, prager you, prager

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you exactly. I've been studying very hard with uh, with

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our with the with the fine bagels. I'm I'm fluent

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in all the logics, flu in all the logics, all

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the fallacies, I am I I have them all somewhere.

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Stuff is on my head.

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Speaker 2: Where anything can be true and false at once.

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Speaker 1: I think this is just you know, it's a singular

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we all worship the same logic. So at the end

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of the day. But you know, one of the interesting

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things that came out of that debate over in Tim Poole, uh,

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which I think people are sleeping on. Is this sort

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of smuggling in of monatism and materialism into into classic theology.

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I mean, I think it's been around for a little bit,

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but I think it's getting more and more revealed as

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we as we go, so we can examine I don't

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know where we want to start with this exactly, because

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we can start from like post Vatican two to Pope

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Leo and somewhere in there we get some liberation theory

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theology kind of smuggled in, which I think gets us

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to the big question of the day is is this

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new pope going to be a maga pope? It's going

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to be a liberation theology pope. What kind of pope

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is he? Is Pope Leo going to be? So? Any

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initial thoughts on and what does it mean for us?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of influences on Vatican two. Certainly

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some of the popes post Vatican two, uh, you know,

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pioneered going in new directions. I remember when I was

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Roman Catholic, I did have a phase where I tried

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to give John Paul a second benefit of the doubt.

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I read his Theology of the Body book. It was

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a lot of phenomenology. I read a lot of the

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theologians of Vatican two, like von Balthazar, and I think

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Dave lou Bach was one the pre et So there's

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a lot of different strains and influences. We know that

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Protestants were involved in drawing up and creating the New Mass,

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along with even Freemasons like Animal Bonini, and as you mentioned,

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there were definitely quite a few Jesuit and Liberation theological

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influences pre en post Vatican Two for sure, even to

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the point that they had to issue some sort of

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condemnation I think in the nineteen eighties when Ratzinger was

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at the CDF at the exact date maybe eighty four

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or five six, somewhere in there. But that doesn't mean

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that it's not still kind of part of the ethos

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of the Vatican. And I think the American deep state

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plays a huge role in the theology of Vatican Two.

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that they had a role in helping to craft nos Trett,

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the famous document about the world religions so quite a

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wide expanse of influences at Vatican two. And we haven't

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really seen any of the popes back, you know, walk

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any of it back, And I don't think you can.

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they walk it back? Can we get a trad pope. No,

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it's dogmatic. Every document is signed off on with basically

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the same authority and universality. It is about faith and morals,

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so it pretty much meets the requirements for all of

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the levels of Roman Catholic dogma. Even though some trads

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kind of have a game they play where they've telled

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themselves they don't have to follow it. But every Romancolic

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church I've ever been to, every catechism I've ever seen,

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mandates to believe it. So no, we're not gonna get

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a trad pope. France is stacked the cardinals, the deck

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of cardinals pretty well. So even had they not been stacked,

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even if you got a try, it would be a

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pseudo trad pope. Because he was, he's still bound to

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he's still going to expose it. Everything in Vatican two.

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that it's the documents of Vatican too themselves that have

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the problem. It's not a pope, it's not a person.

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eventually what took me out of it. But yeah, as

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to that's that's my initial thoughts is that there's no

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there's no way, there's no way to walk it back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it. That's gets into the question

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of like how powerful is the pope because I think

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a lot of people start to think, is is this

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a paper pope? Obviously the pope can do things like

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stack the stack the doctor cardinals can set certain uh

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certain directions for the Vatican in terms of in terms

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of dogma or let's say political uh involvements. But as

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you as you're saying, once you's once you set us

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in a dogma, it kind of just carries over like

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there's there's very little that even if even if Pope

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Leo is the most basist pope in the world, which

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for that, and is it in his previous pre popeness

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or whatever you want to call it, there's there's certainly

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his inability to actually change any kind of fundamental Catholic dogma.

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they're extremely porous. This idea like there are inability to

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even confront Hinduism or or Islam head on is pretty alarming.

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I I've fallen into that whole trap of like, Okay,

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you know what, maybe right now isn't the right time

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for these theological debates. Maybe we should just like concentrate

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on the more political sphere and we should all get

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together as as Christians on some level and you know,

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hold hands seeing kumbaya, you know, you know, don't pay

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any attention to the charismatics or the smoke mashe sure,

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but like let's get you know, let's get this political

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thing figured out first before we before we start arguing

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with each other. And now I'm becoming more convinced that

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this is the exact right time to have these these debates,

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because as more and more young men are being onboard

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into religion in general, especially Christianity, they drop off or

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the failure points even within Orthodoxy. And we'll get to

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to Bartholomew. I'm sure at some point is severe and

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it's not just leading people away in the wrong political sense,

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but this is about people's souls. So we do have

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to be very very careful and very precise and clear

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about these things. And I mean, as Father Sarah from

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Rose predicted, this is the coming of that mush Christianity monism,

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one new future religion of the future, and we're starting

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to see that take take.

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Speaker 2: Root absolutely agenda. I don't want to kind of.

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Speaker 3: Quick no, no, I just want to ask a question

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that relates to this. You know, I can't help but

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think that the selection of a Polish pope back during

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the Cold War was obviously something that had political ramifications

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for the then the Soviet Bloc. I can't help but

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wonder if an American pope is part of the larger

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geopolitical strategy, given as Jay has documented a very tight

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deep state of the American deep state influence on not

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only the Vatican but on the fun Are and that

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you know, clearly Leo has made a strong focus towards

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the East, clear very early on and within days of

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his taking the papal office that there's some kind of

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a larger geopolitical play here that involves the selection of

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an American pope. You know one that obviously you Cardinal

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Soupicch and James Martin s Jay were high five when

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he was named Taylor Marshall looked like he was about

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to have a stroke. But now then all the tradcats

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seemed to be it's just fallen all over themselves because

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you know, they called himself leon Ward the thing. So

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I don't know, I just it just seems to me

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that there's something deep we're going on here on the

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geopolitical ideological front that is involved with not only the

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selection of Wells as provost as the vote, but also

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what his agenda is frankly with respect to us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In fact, there's it's not an accident that the recent

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Vatican statements on the East, the Chiady Document and then

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the Alexandria Document, both of which can see tremendous amounts

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of ground to what Orthodox have been criticizing for a millennium.

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Both of those documents are on senidality. At the same

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time as there's a push in the Orthodox world as

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well for us to accept via many jurisdictions, patriarchates, unfortunately

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and pre especially in America and throughout the West, to

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push for this idea of either the pentarchy being some

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form of quasi papacy that's unilateral and its actions, or

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the ep being a kind of pseudo papal actor that's

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autocratic as well. Both of these are happening at the

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same time on purpose by the same forces in the background,

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most likely for a future reunion, which ironically providentially echoes

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so much of the Council of Florence and its geopolitical motivations,

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although that was at the time when it was Islam

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supposedly was a massive threat. Now Islam's cool. We don't

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have to have Jews and Muslims wearing different garb, as

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the Fourth Latteran Council said, because of course we're all

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worshiping the same deity as Vatican two says. So remember

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the fourth Latter in Council in twelve fifteen Roman Catholicism

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wanted a crusade against Islam to protect the Holy Land.

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That's the last canon of the Council. The fourth Latteran

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Council Council of the ends very similar. The wording is

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the abominable sect of Mohammed. According to the popes at

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that time, it is an insult to the Holy Name,

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a disgrace to the faith that the followers of Islam

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in their mosque meet to adore the Infidel Mohammed's quite

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a bit of a change from now we can go

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pray in the mosque towards Mecca. So the selection of

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an American pope is absolutely a huge geopolitical move, just

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like it was massively significant that elp Deafos suddenly became

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a fan of Trump. That was very bizarre. We saw

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that recently. All this, I think is connected, and I

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don't mean that in some overly conspiratorial way. I literally

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mean it in the sense that there is a move

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that will affect the Orthodox world, as Gym has pointed out,

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to push us towards a future union. And just because

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they didn't get it in twenty twenty five, where it

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kind of got quiet in the last couple of years,

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doesn't mean that the same forces aren't working for this.

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And one last note, multiple Catholic writers, both from the

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normal sphere of John Taylor, CIA writer, You've got not

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a conspiracy theorist, pro cold warrior guy. You've got Paul

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Williams romancalviolc historian who's much more critical of the papacy

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and its actions, admitting both of them, admitting that the

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CIA played a huge role, not just in the elections

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recently but in all of the post Vatican two elections

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because it was seen as something very crucial for the

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Cold War. As Jim noted, you know, you have this

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election of John Paul the second Voitia, huge geopolitical significations

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there with lack of a less the connections.

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Speaker 1: To the.

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Speaker 2: The the operations that basically were being run there by

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the CIA, as well a lot of symbolic stuff. I

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can go into that later. Maybe we don't want to

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go into that, but the point being is that Williams

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huge role in making sure that it was Paul the

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sixth that was elected to essentially finish Vatican to the

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way it needed to go, because there was somewhat of

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a concern over John the twenty third being the Pink

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new World order, one world currency. It's famous in cyclical right.

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a long time. And it's the same problems as Jim

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is saying that they will have that that they're pushing

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in the Orthodox world as well, and it's for this grand,

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great convergence. So what better explanation for all of the

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syncretism and the perennialism in the Vatican two documents than

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that right there.

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Speaker 3: In terms of liberation theology that Jason mentioned, I mean,

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the conventional wisdom back to the Cold War times was that, well,

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that's the Communists and we're against that. But wasn't there

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something didn't the CIA have its thumb in that too?

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I mean that there was some there's again we you know,

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we we run these fallse flag operations that we can say, oh, yeah,

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we got liberation theologies the Communist but who's really standing

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that up? I mean, I do wonder about some of

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the movements within not only the Roman Catholic Church, but

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also I find in the elements of the Orthodox Church

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that are in favor of this new kind of quasi

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Florentine union. That are you know, it's not just us

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us and the Catholics talking, it's whoever both both of

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the mans or to.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely uh I mean, I'm not an expert on, you know,

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the history of liberation theology. I did pick up some

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of the books of the liberation theologians even back when

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I was a Roman Catholic, and it's definitely coming out

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of the Latin South America sphere. But what's interesting is

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it up. I think it's Nelson Rockefeller commissioned to study

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of the effects of liberation theology in Latin South America

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for the Rockefeller Foundation. He actually says this is not

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bad in fact, because liberation theology is pushing the Romancalllic

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Church to accept contraception and abortion. There's no reason why

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we would not accept this for our depopulation agenda. And

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in the excellent Necessary Book by John Cortney Excuse Me

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by David Wimhoff on John Courtney Murray and the History

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of the CIS doctrinal warfare program written by a traditional

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Catholic effect, the chapter on the Rockefellers was really just

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about their main interest in the Romancalllic Church was getting

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it to accept abortion and contraception. They weren't totally successful

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in that, but they were able to move it in

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a certain directions at the time of Vatican two and

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have some caving on certain moral issues. I think eventually

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we're going to get more caving. And to to Jim's

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point about liberation theology, Paolo Freira, the guy that wrote

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Pedagogy of the Press is the He's an influence and

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I'm buddies with he was the mentor to Francis and

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Klaus Schwab's mentor. There's an archbishop who is a famous

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liberation theologian, Kamara. Archbishop Kamara, and Kamara believed in Paolo

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Freira's Pedagogy of the Pressed philosophy and that influenced both

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Klaus and Pope Francis. So absolutely there's liberation theology.

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Speaker 1: In the Vatican. How far does that go back? Because

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you mentioned that John Paul the second was sort of

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allergic to the idea and passed and passed some proclamations

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directly against liberation and theology, you know by name. Does

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it get more porous after that? Because I'm just trying

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to trace back the sort of lineage and for people

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maybe give it, give everyone a really brief breakdown of

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what liberation theology is all about, because I mean, I

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was relatively new to the terms as of like this week,

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where I had heard something about it, but wasn't really

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paying attention to it because I'm not really paying attention

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to the Roman Catholic world. And then when you start

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digging into you're like, oh, my goodness, dear Lord, what

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do you mean there's Marxism inside the church?

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Speaker 2: Like well, if you read the Rockefeller's biography, if you

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read the like the Collier of Horror, it's the big, fat,

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seven hundred page biography. He details how the family was

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instrumental in not just founding the ecumenist movement and putting

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massive amounts of money into the original Chicago World's Fair

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ecumenist ideas that first came about in the eighteen nineties,

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but also the later World Council Churches and National Council churches.

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That was all a lot of rock fire money going

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into that on record, And at the same time, Rockefeller Senior,

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according to his own testimony, was very he was impressed

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by the idea of social gospel, so prior to liberation

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theology of this older movement in the Protestant world and

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he comes out of a Baptist tradition to being kind

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of a Baptist Pietist, and they were very teetotal or

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sort of puritanical and moral people at least early on

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supposedly in their ethics. But then what happened was they

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switched into a kind of attitude where they understood that

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churches could be used as projections of soft power, and

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so they had the intention of utilizing and changing American

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the American religious landscape. If you don't doubt this, go

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look at the Riverside Cathedral that they built, which itself

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has within it statues to Hegel, to Darwin, to Muhammad,

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and to Jesus. So they were way aheut of the

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curve when it came to this idea of a sort

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of universal syncretist, you know, kind of a humanist religion ideology.

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of it now. So there's a confluence of forces. You've

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got also the idea of like a social Gospel, as

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an earlier Protestant movement, that we need to de mythologize

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the story of the Gospel from these supernatural elements. And

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when we do that, what do we really get. We

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get the idea basically, the purpose of Christianity is to

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make society better in some sort of me you know,

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generic social sense, so kind of a social justice warrior

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Christianity the same idea. You've got Marxists also, you know,

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who find this idea appealing. The Marxists believe that religion

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can be de mythologized. If they don't, if not, they're

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not super radical, thinking that it needs to be destroyed

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like a Bolshevik. You've got strands of Marxism and think

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that it could be co opted and used and turned

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into what's called liberation theology. One of the most famous

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liberation theolis as far as I could tell, is Martin

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Luther King Junior, because he doesn't seem to believe in

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any of the actual stories or the superstitions. But it's

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just a it's an allegory for oppressed peoples. And so

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you can see that, you know, Marxist could latch onto

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this with the bougeoisie pressing you know, the working class

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or the poor, or the minorities, or however you want

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to construe it. This took hold in Latin South America

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and the Soviets did. The Communists did try to utilize

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and make connections through liberation theology, networks, spheres and organizations,

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but I would not like. I don't think it's totally

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and wholly a Communist Soviet thing. I think again, you

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have even American wealthy, oligarchical elite families that think it's

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a good thing too.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's I don't know if there's a

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Muslim analogue to this, but certainly there's a Jewish one

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with tikun olam and repairing the world. It's very similar

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to these concepts. And you know, you mentioned contraception, abortion,

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and I don't think they've really gotten much ground in

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the Roman Catholic Church. But the one that has, if

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you been looking at population control is the Skittles agenda,

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and that's exactly to me that's going to be the

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real interesting litmus test for what kind of trad Leo

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is if he moves forcefully against this, and my guess

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is he probably won't. I don't think James Martin would

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have been all that thrilled in his election if he

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thought that Leo was going to go after, you know,

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the sacred mission of the lat mafia. And of course

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that's a huge element of subversion that they're aiming at

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us too. I mean, look the way the whole world

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and the whole world media crowed when the Mitsutaki's government

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Greeks pushed through a same sex so called marriage law.

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First Orthodox country approved same sex marriage, you know, even

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though that's of course almost universal now in Roman Catholic

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or formerly and Catholic protest in Europe. I think that's

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gonna be the real lidmus test of which way the

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wind is blowing on this, at least with this pontificate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also the uh.

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Speaker 2: As, I'm sure everyone here is aware, and even Tim

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Gordon has done a lot of really good episodes of

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his podcast on this idea of uh two steps forward,

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one step back, and also that you can you can

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edge these ideas in in a kind of easy or

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sort of sideways way by something like, well, we're not

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gonna go for full on female ordination. What we're gonna

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do is we're going to create a new kind of

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office that's never existed before. That's kind of a it's

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like in between a priest, uh, you know, deacon, and

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then this other kind of thing that we'll we'll just

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create out of nowhere. You get the same idea of well,

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we're not gonna gay marriage yet in you know, Francis's

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last and cyclical or whatever it was about the blessing

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of the gay unions, We're not going to have gay marriage.

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It's going to be a sort of sub recognition status

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that's blessed because you're going to get a priestly blessing

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after the service. There's not a full on sacrament, so

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they can sort of bring these things in. And as

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Father John Whiteford said when we did an interview on this,

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he said, look, it begins with deacon s then it's

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why not have a female priest? Well, why not have

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you know, a full on female bishop. So that's the

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slippery slope, but you have to gradually do it. It's

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a very common tactic of this sort of slow kill.

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But I think Tim Gordon is actually right that it's

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not just the issue of Francis's last thing talking about

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the blessing of the gay unions, not gay marriage, but

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the blessing of a gay couple. It's also the change

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in the ability to receive communions. So in other words,

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if you're a divorce store, if you're presumably gay as well.

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These these irregular relationships can now also allow a person

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to come community that might seem small in terms of change,

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but the point Tim's making is that those small changes

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prepare the way and soften people up for the real

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change that they want. And that's exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the smuggling of feminism is almost guaranteed to

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this point because it's again when she create this sort

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of porous non traditional when do you start abandoning any

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forms of tradition, then the next the next abandonment becomes

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easier and easier and easier. And we've seen this course

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in politics all over the place, but it's I think

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becoming more and more alarming within the within the church.

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To tie it back to Orthodoxy, of course, when I

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had Jimbob on uh in January, he asked me the question,

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you know, as we're starting to see this sort of

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onboarding of more more certain sort of celebrity Christians, you know,

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with Russell Brand and all the rest of it, Jim

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asked me if if I thought we would start to

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see the same thing in Orthodoxy, and my initial response

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would be no, because of the sort of the the

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strenuousness of Orthodoxy, you know, just becoming a Catechmism, just

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becoming a Canic human, you have to go pass through

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certain gates to kind of, uh, to kind of achieve

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status within the Orthodox Church. That being said, however, I

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don't know if that I had kind of thought about

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what had happened already in Ukraine with the with the

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new church that we've seen in Ukraine, which has been disastrous. Certainly,

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we if we're relying on Constantinople to make to defend

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the church and its integrity and its traditions, I think

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we're maybe asking the wrong people. We certainly we've talked

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about CIA involvement within within the Vatican. There's certainly CIA

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involvement within or within the Orthodox Church, specifically within Consantinople.

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And I think this bodes ill ill omens, especially for

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ro Corp or anything attached to let's say, the Russian churches.

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The countdowns on until we all start becoming proclaimed as

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some sort of spy or subversive element in the West

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because you know, we we send prayers to the Russian

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military or something like that. Maybe you can speak on that, Jay.

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I know this is sort of a it's a touchy subject.

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Speaker 2: Well, there was a guy that wrote a piece, what

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a year ago, maybe eight months ago, Feller Whiteford I think,

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talked about it too, and it was in one of

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the Foreign policy magazines, basically saying that that the Russian

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churches in America are essentially putin networks. And I think

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they called out Bishop Irena in that article, if I

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remember correctly. But yeah, they're already sort of kind of

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trying to make these loose associations. So I think that's

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definitely a danger. And to be more precise on kind

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of the inside info that really going on, as you

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guys probably know, I mean, there's already going to be

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a move that's kind of in the in the back,

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in the works, in the background now for that very

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thing where maybe not so much persecution, but they're going

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to begin to unite jurisdictions and they're going to do

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it kind of in the background, and the purpose of

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doing this is to marginalize and sort of weed out

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anyone that's not going to go along with the push

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00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,160
within the Orthodox world for the same women in the priesthood,

474
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,559
gay stuff, all the same stuff, even trends priests and

475
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,319
accepting the trend stuff. That's the long term goal. So

476
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:42,440
they're going to push for the union of the jurisdictions.

477
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,359
They're going to push that the Greeks ACCEPTCA. They're going

478
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,599
to try to get Romanians and Serbians and all these

479
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,960
different jurisdictions in America to join on with this one big,

480
00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:00,000
mega jurisdiction plan which has really been in the world

481
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,759
works for a long time. I remember when I first

482
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:04,119
started looking at Orthodoxy in two thousand and seven eight

483
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,079
I've I first heard about this idea, Oh, let's join

484
00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:09,039
all the jurisdictions and we won't have so much chaos.

485
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,319
And I was much more naive back then about what

486
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,720
was really going on in the background and how you know, dangerous.

487
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,119
A lot of this stuff was in terms of being

488
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,480
tied to geopolitical agendas of you know, the neo cons

489
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,359
and the deep state and all that. So it's a

490
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,680
bad idea, it's a terrible idea, and but it's actually

491
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:30,720
also could be a good thing because all the people

492
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:32,319
that want to go to Rome down the road, that

493
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,640
want to go be gay, go do it.

494
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,279
Speaker 1: Just go leave.

495
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,519
Speaker 2: Please don't let the you know, royal doors hit you

496
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,880
on the way out, because it's a winning it's a

497
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,640
sort of a it's sort of a winnowing fan, right,

498
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:47,279
it's like sort of the wheat from the chaff, the

499
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,240
winnowing fan that gets rid of these horrible people that,

500
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:52,200
you know, if you want to go be a papist,

501
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:53,759
go do it. You know what, I mean to go

502
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,880
and experience all that I've been there, I know what

503
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,359
it's like. It's it's not fun. And to the people

504
00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:02,039
who really want to go that way, it seems like,

505
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,000
you know, you can just go do it. But then

506
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:06,839
what's going to happen is a lot of the laity

507
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,759
are not going to accept that because they converted for

508
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,759
real reasons, they converted to not have that. They left

509
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:14,519
that kind of Christianity. They don't want to go into

510
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:17,799
that after converting out of you know, some kind of

511
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,359
goofy Protestant thing. So a lot of the lady are

512
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,839
going to come over into the Russian and Serbian churches,

513
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,799
and then you've got the groundwork for oh, these are

514
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,160
all the schismatics that work for Putin and they're you know,

515
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,680
they're gonna that's what they're going to say about us.

516
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's kind of a paradox in American orthodoxy,

517
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,039
that a lot of the you know, for want of

518
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,119
a better word, that a lot of the converts are

519
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,960
more based because they're focusing the spectrum of American religious

520
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,200
experience and they've seen it, they've been there, whereas a

521
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,200
lot of the ethnics, he'll call them that cradle people,

522
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,640
or at least people with any pedigree like me, would

523
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,200
tend to look at it much more naively than just

524
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:01,400
in terms of our Greek church. Were many in church,

525
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,319
Serbian church and so forth, and really not see the

526
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,640
deeper currents that are going through there because some of

527
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,000
them still have this really odd kind of aspiring immigrant

528
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:14,240
mentality where they just want to be like the regular

529
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,720
white folks, you know, they just want to be like

530
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:21,079
everybody else is messed up, as all of those people are.

531
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,720
And you know, I think so many people for the

532
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,839
same reason say well, why don't we have just one

533
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,200
American jurisdiction? You know, hey, as we saw during COVID,

534
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:31,759
it was a great bed with it that we didn't

535
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:33,559
have a single jurisdiction. I mean, if you were and

536
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,319
listen to be honest, a lot of the churches in

537
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,559
the old world did not handle that very well. And

538
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:40,519
if you were in the say, the Greek Church or

539
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,920
the Russian Church in Greece or in Russia, you had

540
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,119
no choice. The government cracked down, the church crackdown. There

541
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,920
was no other church under another northern jurisdiction you.

542
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: Could go to.

543
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: In America you could do that. And I think, you know,

544
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,640
as irregular it as it is, and given this point

545
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,240
in our development as a confession here in America, it's

546
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,920
it's it's a mixed blessing that we have this confusion

547
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,799
of jurisdictions. But it's not all bad.

548
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: To to that point, though, Jim, an excellent point. But

549
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:13,799
to that point, I don't think. I didn't see any

550
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,079
videos of any Orthodox priests baptizing children with a with

551
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,400
a squirt gun. That seemed to be more of a

552
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:24,720
Roman Catholic thing. I didn't see that. But if anyone

553
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:27,079
in the chat can appoint me in the right directions.

554
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:30,079
Speaker 2: For but what's the problem, Well, yeah, I mean it

555
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:31,720
sounds like you have a problem with those, So what's

556
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:32,160
the problem.

557
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:34,759
Speaker 1: I you know, I just it was more like the

558
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:39,119
super soaker. I wanted to see more of an action. Yeah, yeah,

559
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:40,480
because I bid.

560
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,839
Speaker 2: If you're saying that's invalid, I just thought.

561
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,519
Speaker 1: It was kind of rinky dinky. The videos I saw

562
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,160
were just more like a little tiny squirt gun. I

563
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,880
thought we could get the full shotgun in there, you know,

564
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,440
like get get the spirit completely. You know, Spray with

565
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,759
the spirit is more, I think is a more appropriate action.

566
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: What splay to the spirit, slay in the spirit of

567
00:32:59,279 --> 00:32:59,759
sprayed in the.

568
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: Spare Uh, it's it's I mean, it's wild. Man. You

569
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,079
get into some of this, some of these talks, and

570
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,400
you know, in the Orthodox world there's more debate over

571
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:12,759
like do you dunk three times or not? And then

572
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:14,519
you get into the Protestant world where it's like what

573
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:15,960
is it? What does even baptism?

574
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: What?

575
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: What do you need to even use water? Can you

576
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:22,799
just like wave your hands somewhere maybe a moist tallette,

577
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:25,799
you know, along with the along with the skittles and

578
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,880
and the grape juice for confession?

579
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: What?

580
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: What do you what are you so concerned about? Really,

581
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,920
it's it's it's all Holy Spirit, It's all the same thing.

582
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,839
Let's bring this back to to Leo uh and spysically

583
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:44,640
around sort of the American involvement. You know. Of course

584
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,000
we talked about the significance of American pope now, just

585
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:50,480
as it was with a Polish pope, you know, speaking

586
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:53,880
just for my own family, coming from a Ukrainian background

587
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,200
and having coming from a Ukrainian Orthodox family, a Russian

588
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:03,440
Orthodox family. I remember pictures of of the of of

589
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:04,920
the pope and when I was in you know, in

590
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,039
the eighties, because he's Polish, so he he's he's part

591
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:12,679
of the family in some ways. So I do think

592
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,760
there is significant I also think the significance of of

593
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:19,360
of JD. Vance being a Catholic Vice president and I

594
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,760
think most likely going to be the next president United States.

595
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,039
We'll see how the how this term works out. And

596
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:26,840
then of course we go from J. D. Evans to

597
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,239
Peter Field. So now you have made the question, isn't

598
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,599
even a liberation theology pope or a Maga pope made

599
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,079
the question as a PayPal pope and how and where

600
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:38,960
that leads us? So I don't know if you have

601
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:39,719
any thoughts.

602
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: Or oral palateer.

603
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:46,199
Speaker 1: Pope, palenteer pope. Yeah, well, yeah, a I Pope, We're

604
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,960
we're we're we're getting closer to that every day. Any

605
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:53,440
thoughts on that, Jay with the sort of the connection

606
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,639
to JD. Evans Peter Field and now of course a

607
00:34:57,679 --> 00:34:58,599
new American pope.

608
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:05,199
Speaker 2: Well, I've looked into Taitel and I've kind of watched

609
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,039
that whole domain for a long time. Being a conspiracy

610
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,840
theorist even before as orthodox, I was aware of in

611
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,559
q tel and Volunteer and what that was all about

612
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,840
as a sort of a CIA cutout for creating and

613
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,679
venture you know, venture tax funding mechanism. This is essentially

614
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:30,199
where we get you know, other things like Facebook. I

615
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,000
think even Twitter came out of something similar if I recall,

616
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,719
and you know, these are kind of chosen companies because

617
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,800
we like to think of it being a free market situation,

618
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,719
and to a degree the system utilizes the free market

619
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,559
and the energy and creativity the people. But a lot

620
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:49,000
of times the companies are sort of chosen and blast

621
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:52,199
again by the establishment because they get tax breaks, they

622
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,639
get this sort of secret funding and so forth, they

623
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:58,559
have special deals with the government, and those become the

624
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,199
sort of anointed you know, techolague companies, as we know Facebook,

625
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,960
classic example. So I think, you know, Teel has been

626
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,480
in the background as a transhumanist, with this transhumanist ideology

627
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:14,599
for a long time. He also as openly gay as

628
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:18,719
I understand. And that's relevant because you know, we we

629
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,039
we know the kind of ideology in the tendency, We

630
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:26,360
know the profile of a person like that in terms

631
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,039
of what they're going to prefer, what they're going to choose,

632
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,079
what they're going to want, And he seems to have

633
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:34,880
this sort of Nietzsche and Ubermensch ideology that goes along

634
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,840
well with transhumanism. And I remember in his book, I've

635
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,760
got his twenty fourteen book here where he talks about

636
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,679
what he's all about. In many ways, it's a lot

637
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,880
of transhumanism, it's a lot of you know, we're going

638
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,840
to create centrally human cyborg hybrids in the future. But

639
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,280
the Valenteer section is really enlightening because he basically just says,

640
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,239
we're creating the tracking and tracing for the CIA of

641
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,880
the NSA and the future tech pent opticon basically is

642
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,320
what he says. So that's his ideology, that's what he thinks.

643
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:12,039
And you know, you can look at other people too

644
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:18,039
in his circles, like Curtis Jarvin, Mensius Moldboog, the guy

645
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:21,719
who wrote about neo reaction, and they're very influenced by Tolkien.

646
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:26,159
The other guy that's h. Palmer Lucky or whatever his

647
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,159
name is, the endurial that's also a Tolkien terminology. The

648
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:33,599
reason they're using the Tolkien terms is because Jarvin is

649
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:36,000
a critic of democracy, and I would agree with that.

650
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,559
But the problem is that their answer to the problems

651
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,599
of equalitarianism and democracy and feminism and all this kind

652
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,800
of nonsense is, oh, let's just have a tech you know,

653
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,280
fuel system were ruled over by tech lords, and I

654
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,639
don't think we want that. So good criticisms, bad answers,

655
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,239
As is often the case, it's coming from a place

656
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,880
of you know, not being divinely iluine from the Orthodox faith.

657
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:05,800
It's coming from a place of technocracy and being ruled

658
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,880
by base passions with the gay stuff, and you know,

659
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:12,159
it's just all the same stuff, but maybe not as

660
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,920
not all the platitudes of you know, the former twenty

661
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:21,559
thirty years of It's not the Steve Jobs idea of

662
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,800
equalitarianism and democracy. It's no, no, it's all bullshit. Let's

663
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,719
go just full on you know, tech oligarchy, where the

664
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,559
overlord's idea. That's the vibe I get from these guys.

665
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,679
That's the danger. But it connects into the papacy too, because,

666
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:44,440
as you said, I forgot that, didn't he prevost he

667
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:49,159
had some sort of naval special operations things going, which

668
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:54,119
to me could suggest probably some intelligence connections. I mean,

669
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,519
I'm sure everybody at that level has some degree of that,

670
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,920
But participating in a sort of what was the operation

671
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,239
called Operation Dragoon that he thought that was kind of odd.

672
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:08,920
Excuse me. That's his father, so excuse me. He comes

673
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,320
from a a father who was a sort of naval

674
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,760
intelligence and Navy black ops, so that again could suggest,

675
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,960
you know, other allegiances. But I don't get any impression

676
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,039
that he's in any way some sort of conservative In fact,

677
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,000
the public stories about him, or that he was a

678
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:34,400
reader of Carl Rauner, who's one of the most extreme,

679
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:42,679
you know, liberal Roman Catholic writers out there. So anyway,

680
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,000
I'm rambling, but I'll stop there, Jim.

681
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: You know, I can't help thinking too that, you know,

682
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,480
among the other you know, there are many defineds of

683
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,599
how people relate to other people. Obviously, their religious affiliation

684
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,639
is well, their family connects, uh, you know, father, mother,

685
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,960
having children and all that. Another one is nationality. How

686
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,760
do ID identify myself as an American or whatever else?

687
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,960
I happen to be. And I can't help but wondering

688
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,559
if we're seeing a kind of a flip of the

689
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:16,840
script in this country from what it had been under,

690
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,039
say the Biden administration, where you know, open the borders,

691
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:23,599
let everybody in multiculturalism, et cetera, et cetera, and now

692
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:26,159
we have, for example, then you see these these riots

693
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:29,239
in Los Angeles and then a lot of the you know,

694
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,360
the real Americans saying, oh, we got to stop that.

695
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,800
That's why we need palateer, that's why we need universal sovey,

696
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,760
it's universal identification, the same agenda, except you you play

697
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,320
the tribes against each other, you know, you you you,

698
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:46,320
you play the multi culti tribe card on the one hand,

699
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,039
and then you play the real American tribe card on

700
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,440
the other. But neither one is what the the agenda is.

701
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,159
They're just simply tools that are being used.

702
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 4: And again, you know, it does relate back to us

703
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,239
in an Orthodox context, because we are in this kind

704
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:07,400
of transitional phase from an ethnic church founded by immigrants

705
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,639
to an increasingly an American church because we have so

706
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,519
many converts coming into it now, and it's something that

707
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:14,880
is picking up the.

708
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: Notice of the media. We have more and more of

709
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,440
these stories. You know, why are young men turning to

710
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,199
Orthodoxy and so on and so forth? That uh, you

711
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,360
know it. I was. I'm not sure how all these

712
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,280
threads tie together, but I think they do in some

713
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,719
way where we have a kind of manipulation of the

714
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,599
consciousness of people, not only their religious consciousness, their social

715
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:40,079
conscious their moral preferences, but also their national identity.

716
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: Let me sorry, I thought you're going to respond. Let

717
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,280
me throw this and we throw this idea into the

718
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,639
ring and see what you see, what you do with it.

719
00:41:58,119 --> 00:41:59,960
One of the concepts I talk about on the show

720
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,840
quite often as naming this spirit of the of the

721
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,119
New Age is the spirit spirit of the vengeful son.

722
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,880
It's almost a reaction to this red pilling movement where

723
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,119
people are especially young men in the West, are becoming

724
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:13,400
more and more aware of a sort of generational betrayals,

725
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,800
and as they become more aware of it, they're getting angry.

726
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:18,760
We're starting to see these outbreakings in the left. Of course,

727
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,800
we've had the Luigi Emangione stories and the sort of

728
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,400
almost canonization of him as a sort of this rebel

729
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,960
figure using violence and using total violence as a reaction

730
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:32,320
to the state and to this awareness of being betrayed,

731
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,920
of being misled, of being lied to. As that increases,

732
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,599
I think you're going to start seeing this age of

733
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:41,039
total violence start to take take place. And that includes

734
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:43,199
the response. And this is directly to your idea of

735
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,119
this sort of a digital panopticon. This gets us into

736
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:50,679
almost a h an ai or technic techno theocracy, where

737
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:54,079
they're using technology to do the to do the job

738
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,280
of what the church used to be able to teach,

739
00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:00,719
which is to be like the prodigal son, to return redeemed,

740
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,480
to use humility, to have discernment, to be able to

741
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,199
have some sort of hierarchy of not just of not

742
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,119
just worship, but also of discernment, and let's say, uh,

743
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,039
social cohesion. As that's been taken away or dissolved now,

744
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:19,639
the response is going to be much more technocratic, which

745
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,639
will involve volunteer you know, digital IDs, all the rest

746
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:26,840
of it. I've been warning people, warning or advising people

747
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,400
at least that if you want to deport thirty million

748
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,480
people in a year, you're gonna use They're going to

749
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:37,559
use technological solutions like that's that's what that is. You know,

750
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,719
doge and all the rest of it. Everyone's championing it

751
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,000
and celebrating it. It's like, yeah, well now you have

752
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,559
Polunteer and Grock inside your government, which is a countdown

753
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:48,920
to getting AI Congress and all the rest of it.

754
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:50,880
And people have their own thoughts about it. Maybe it's

755
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,599
and maybe it's gonna be good, Maybe it's gonna be great,

756
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,199
maybe it's gonna be fantastic. I don't know, or you know,

757
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,360
you might be able to find it beneficial. But of course, nothing,

758
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:03,039
nothing ever, bad, ever happens. Jim, come on, now, come

759
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:06,760
on please, so, uh, maybe you can speak on that,

760
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,840
because that's that seems to me, and we'll bring it

761
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,239
back to the Pope or the new Pope. The American

762
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,000
Pope America is going to be front and center on this. Uh,

763
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:21,440
they're they're they're certainly taking lead, not just in terms

764
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,440
of politics, but sort of let's say, this new global

765
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,719
morality system that seems to be being onboarded. And that's

766
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,159
where I think the connection to vance and to feel

767
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,519
and to all these other people becomes very very interesting

768
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:41,639
because regardless of whatever his politics were before becoming pope,

769
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,880
I think we might be starting to see some some

770
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:47,679
changes or some new directions from from the papacy. So

771
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,760
I don't know if you can any thoughts on that.

772
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: Well, Francis went really far in the in that regard

773
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:57,840
in terms of sort of openly advocating for the World

774
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:04,159
Economic Forums agenda, which is heavily technocratic. And my wife

775
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,400
just finished a book by Jason Lannier, who was the

776
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:09,960
guy who was a big whistleblower back in twenty eighteen

777
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:13,960
from Silicon Valley, and the book was way ahead of

778
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,960
its time because the whole last section was about warning

779
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,199
about AI and what Silicon Value was planning to do

780
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,280
when they rolled out AI. So we're right now at

781
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,599
the point where it's rolling out. It's certainly not where

782
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:29,159
they want it to be. It's basically just a glorified

783
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:32,880
audio search engine at this point, but the idea is

784
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,719
and Lannie actually says that Silicon Valley is a cult.

785
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,679
They are a cult of people who worship and believe

786
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,119
in the technocracy, and what they're going to do is

787
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:49,039
foist the idea of AI being a kind of deuseex monket,

788
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:51,119
a kind of a god from the machine that will

789
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:55,440
regulate society, will give society ethics. They think they're going

790
00:45:55,519 --> 00:46:01,519
to figure out some kind of the libertarian utility and ethics.

791
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,199
And the people like Bentham who came up with moral calculus,

792
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,039
they actually think that algorithms can give you right and wrong.

793
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:13,719
As stupid as that sounds, that sounds crazy. Sam Bankman

794
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,440
Freed was a member of the Society for Effective Altruism,

795
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:22,320
which is one of these Silicon Valley quasi cults where

796
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:26,679
they believe that AI and tech and algorithms will will

797
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,559
literally be able to tell you on the basis of

798
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,639
pleasure points and what gives you the most pleasure points

799
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:38,199
for the most people. That's utilitarianism how the society can

800
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,639
be run. So it's going to be the idea. It's

801
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:44,440
so crazy, but in only a crazy sort of spurgy.

802
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,599
You know, tech dork could actually believe this, but they

803
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:49,119
actually do.

804
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: I live in Australia, Mate, I live in Australia, Mate,

805
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,400
Like they're that they're trying to do trying to do

806
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,039
that about the analog version for at least one hundred

807
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:58,559
years as far as I can tell, it's.

808
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,159
Speaker 2: Uh Vervaiki has this idea of the Silicon sages. No

809
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,760
yval Harari has this idea very similar to that, where

810
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,639
the AI will kind of be this moral and sort

811
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:14,599
of policing authority and guide.

812
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

813
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: And he almost describes it like there's going to be

814
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,199
these AI bots walking around and they're kind of like

815
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,280
a Jesus. I'm not being blasphemous with like a Jesus

816
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,679
bot that like is the AI and it will. If

817
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:27,840
you've ever seen THX one one, three eight, you know

818
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,239
when he's doing his confession to the Jesus bought in

819
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,760
the technocracy, something akin to this. This is how crazy

820
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,639
it is. So that's what they're saying is where they

821
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:43,119
want to go. I don't know Leo himself what to

822
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,000
what degree he's into all that or not, but he

823
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:52,119
has praised Francis's papacy, which is a terrible sign for

824
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:57,239
the Roman Catholics. And he's also said recently, I think

825
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,480
I posted on Twitter's one of the last things I

826
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,559
read from him him was him being interviewed or giving

827
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:06,599
a speech or somebody said, we all worship the same deity.

828
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,760
Whatever your religion is the same reference, it's the same God.

829
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:15,320
So he's essentially reaffirming all the very questionable stuff pretty clearly.

830
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,719
That's signifying to me that there is no reversal or

831
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:18,639
change of the agenda.

832
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 3: The other thing he's apparently double down on is his

833
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,840
use of this term Patriarch of the West, which would

834
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,880
imply this kind of acceptance of a first among equal,

835
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:38,480
you know, neo pentarchy approach to church structure, which either

836
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,679
elevates to the fun ar to like, you know, assistant

837
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,920
pope or you know, he gets to be the Pope

838
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,440
of the East on the Pope of the West, and

839
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:47,400
you know, and I think that's why I think the

840
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:50,960
Coming the coming Union, if we want to call it

841
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,679
that is, is not going to just be in an

842
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,800
instant replay of Florence. I mean, they do learn. I

843
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,000
mean Leon was a lot more in how much we

844
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:03,559
had to submit to the papacy that Florence was. And

845
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:05,960
Florence said, okay, at least you don't have to say

846
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,719
the Filio pay in the creed, whereas that Leon we

847
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,760
had to. This time around, I think they will package

848
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,599
it as a victory for Orthodoxy or we're going to

849
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:19,639
accept your constant sentidelity Philiok way, you don't have to

850
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,800
agree with the philioquay, because after all, we know with

851
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,480
polemism and other things inside the Roman Communion, they already

852
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:35,119
accept different theological views exactly. So what we'll do is sure,

853
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:36,920
if you want to reject the philio play, you don't

854
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,039
have to agree with it. You don't have you don't

855
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:41,280
have to agree that the Pope is infallible. He's just

856
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,960
the first mong equals, just like you guys want. And

857
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:47,079
of course then that would allow Bartholomew or whoever his

858
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:49,880
successor is, to say, hey, it's a trim of Orthodoxy.

859
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,199
The Pope has agreed to all our terms. Now, of course,

860
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,199
within his communion everything will remain as it was. And

861
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,519
of course he's the big fish where the little fish,

862
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:02,159
comparatively speaking, we'll be in union with it. Look, look,

863
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,480
from their point of view, we're already in union. I mean,

864
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,239
you go to a Catholic church and you look at

865
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,880
the missile. It said that if we are Orthodox, we

866
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:14,119
can receive communion there as long as it's consistent with

867
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,199
the discipline of our own church, which of course it

868
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,480
is not. But from their point of view, intercommunion is

869
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:21,719
a means to unity, not the culmination of it. So

870
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,960
from their point of view, we're already in union. It's

871
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:27,320
just that we don't accept that union. That's all they

872
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,920
really need from us for us to say, look, we

873
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,079
don't accept any of those things in the papacy, but

874
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,039
we can agree to be in communion with you, and

875
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,079
that's that's it from their point of view. I was

876
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,760
talking to Orthodox and I think there are people I'm sorry,

877
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,679
go ahead and go ahead, and I'm sorry, No, I'm

878
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,400
just saying I think there are a lot of people

879
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,440
in the church who will be fooled by that. They'll say,

880
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,239
I look, you already see it on Twitter. But me

881
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,559
x and so forth saying, well, if the popes agree

882
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,159
to all our terms, what's the problem. Well, I think

883
00:50:57,199 --> 00:50:58,400
that's what they'll package it.

884
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a well, first of all, he's not agreeing

885
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,079
to Orthodox terms, because who's deciding what the Orthodox terms

886
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:09,719
are might not themselves be actually very Orthodox. So it's

887
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,679
the Orthodox term of people that are not in terms

888
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,280
of people that are not really that Orthodox. But yeah,

889
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:19,159
I was talking to an Orthodox priest a few days

890
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:22,519
ago and he was arguing that very point that Jim

891
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,559
just made, which is that from their vantage point, the

892
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:31,559
ep many of go arch and Rome, they're already in union.

893
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,239
Because he said, if you looked at the placement at

894
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,920
the funeral of Francis. It signified that he was arguing

895
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,159
the Orthodox priest I was talking to was saying this, so,

896
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,440
and that's somebody from the OCA, by the way, not

897
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,920
some crazy rogue warpers. So yeah, I mean I think

898
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:52,880
that they're already acting as if it is the case,

899
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,360
pretending as if the union has already ocurred, and then

900
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,199
they're just sort of waiting for everybody to kind of

901
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,079
come on, now, don't be a schismatic, don't be a

902
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,800
bad boy, you know, come on and go along with this.

903
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:08,840
But again, it's pretty obviously a false union. I mean,

904
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,800
it's like, so to me, it's obvious. But I think

905
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,039
not I think a lot of people are not going

906
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:15,599
to go. I think it'll probably split down the middle.

907
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,800
I mean, isn't this what the State Department and this

908
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,880
is what they do. They split things down the middle,

909
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,719
split these Eastern European countries right down the middle with

910
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,320
creating fake Orthodox churches and just create a big schism.

911
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. And of course the downside for them is that,

912
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,239
at least in the approximate terms, with the war in

913
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,760
Ukraine going very badly for the Western side, the fake

914
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,800
church they created in Ukraine may not survive much longer,

915
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,760
and it looks like there's even elements within the the

916
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,559
Ecumenical Patriarchate that are trying to distance themselves from that

917
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,679
to blame the whole thing on a manual of Chalcedon.

918
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,840
And I think that's also partly trying to set ups

919
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:07,159
to succeed of Bartholomew. Evidently he's the Turkish government's preference

920
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:09,920
in that job. So you know, again there's there's so

921
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,800
many there's so many spoons in this pot. But you know,

922
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,480
they they you know, when we talked about Leo, we

923
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,280
talked about Bartholomew. I think we have to assume that

924
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,320
they're not the primary actors. They're they're basically the tools

925
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,880
and used for all sorts of people, and sometimes I

926
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,920
think the same people. A lot of them are located

927
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,480
in the American government, but not exclusively there.

928
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:32,159
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

929
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, if you ever want to actually divide the

930
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,119
Russian Church from from the rest of them and make

931
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:41,079
sure they're ruled by a Turk, that would something a

932
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:43,800
Turk becomes first among many, or it becomes like, you know,

933
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,519
the new uh pope like figure within the Orthodox Church.

934
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,440
It's gonna be an open rebellion within the with the

935
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,760
with with the Russians in the and the rest of them.

936
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 3: I mean, by by law, the patriarch has to be

937
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,480
a Turkish citizen, and so that's that's true of both

938
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:05,480
potos and and in manual. But uh, they're going to

939
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,239
be preferences among them. You know, maybe candidate's more favored

940
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,960
by the Americans, by the Turkish government about the Greek government,

941
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:11,599
who knows.

942
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Speaker 2: Well, we know that's the plan too. If you've read

943
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Chi eighty and Chi eighty only give a little bit

944
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,199
of ground towards the end. I mean, it was pretty

945
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,320
strong ground to admit at the end of eighty that

946
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,719
the pope did not unilaterally have authority over the churches

947
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,920
of the East canonically. That's pretty wild mission. I mean,

948
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,440
that's pretty much denying Vatican One. But I mean, yeah,

949
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:38,159
the Alexander document is like goes ninety miles further, admitting

950
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,800
so much that that the they have to be doing

951
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,960
that for this reunion purpose. I can't see any other

952
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:52,599
reason why they would admit so much. It's not about

953
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:54,880
what Yeah, by the way, because it's true.

954
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Speaker 3: But I wanted to ask you a question, Jay, I

955
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,400
thought I saw a reference that you'd say thing you'd

956
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:07,320
written recently that Rome doesn't stand by the temporal authority

957
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,000
of unam sank them anymore. Did they actually recind that

958
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,280
or are you just inferring that from the documents of Vatican.

959
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,679
Speaker 2: Two just I mean, I don't see how you could

960
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,639
square it with the documents of Vatican two. And you

961
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,760
also have actions that act against that. I mean, rat

962
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,719
Singer said something he was writing in his books, you know,

963
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:33,079
it's time to de christianize these Catholic states. I think

964
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the strongest contradiction would be the all the statements on

965
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,440
religious liberty and Vatican two, of which they are never meant.

966
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:47,719
There's an entire document on it, and I mean you

967
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,719
can go all the way up into the early even

968
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,360
the early nineteen hundreds, multiple people and cyclicals Syllabus of

969
00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:01,039
Errors explicitly condemned dechristianizing the state religious liberty, you know,

970
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,840
not having Christian states Catholic states, that's condemned. In fact,

971
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:11,639
syllabus of errors even includes the temporal supremacy the Roman

972
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,800
bishop even up into the eighteen nineties.

973
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Speaker 1: So kind of puts a kaibash on the on the

974
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on the Vatican making a play for Israel, right, because

975
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one thing that this never allowed. And when we're allowed

976
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,159
to only talk about two possible outcomes, which is either

977
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:30,920
you know, an Islamic state in Israel or a Jewish

978
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,320
run state in Israel, we never talked about the third party,

979
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,679
who has at least historical claims to the region, where

980
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,519
we could you know, inject a third third position here,

981
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,360
and that seems to me never we never allowed to

982
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,679
talk about that, or even consider that no one's ever

983
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,239
floated that out in the mainstream considerations of what to

984
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,440
do with our best friend in alle.

985
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,639
Speaker 3: In the Middle. Well, hey, we were we were those first.

986
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,559
I mean, the Jerusalem Patriarchate, the Orthodox patriarchs, the land

987
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:04,079
on which the Kinestan sits. I mean, you know, we've

988
00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:06,599
got we've got squatters rights over the last.

989
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: We should apply it.

990
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

991
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Speaker 1: We're coming up on the hour, Jay, and thank you

992
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,719
so much for giving us your time. Any last thoughts

993
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,639
on this new American pope. Uh, any ideas of what

994
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,000
we might be We will see in the coming least

995
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,199
in the in the coming year. As you mentioned, Jim,

996
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the war in Ukraine, which usually we talked quite a

997
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,880
bit about on the show, is starting the nearest end.

998
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,480
I believe we're starting to see now moves on open

999
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:38,400
moves on povosk Uh and Sumi. Many of the south

1000
00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:41,039
towns in the South are being gobbled up as well.

1001
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,360
Russia is now steamrolling across Ukraine. At this rate, I

1002
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,880
don't think it would be unlikely to see Russian troops

1003
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,639
in Kiev by September. So that's wrapping up very rapidly.

1004
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:57,480
And as that wraps up, questions of what comes afterwards

1005
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,760
in terms of relationships with the West. And it's basically,

1006
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,159
you know, religious connotations as well for the Orthodox Church,

1007
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,039
and many of us who are ro corps puts that

1008
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:11,599
on the it will be putting that in the front

1009
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:13,960
and center. So any last thoughts on that, gentleman, as

1010
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,559
we round.

1011
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:23,559
Speaker 5: Out Denzinger seventeen twenty two, all the way to seventeen twenty,

1012
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,960
say thirty all express all the way up into the

1013
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:36,000
late eighteen hundreds. The necessity of believing in the temporal supremacy,

1014
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,280
dominion and power of the Roman pontiff that is no longer.

1015
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:44,440
I've never even heard it mentioned in a Roma Gaellic Church,

1016
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:45,880
and I don't see how you can square that with.

1017
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,679
Speaker 2: Any of the stuff back in too. And I don't

1018
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:52,239
think it's just gonna be business as usual with the

1019
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,880
with Leo would not expect anything different.

1020
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if that's an actually, you know, for example,

1021
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,039
when the Francis changed the teacher the death penalty, that

1022
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:06,320
was clearly reversal. I wonder if this is just one

1023
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,559
of those two things are true at the same time.

1024
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,079
That like again, you can accept the essence and energy

1025
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:15,079
and distinction where you don't have to accept it. They

1026
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,039
can both be true at the same time. You know.

1027
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:21,400
It's like Schrodinger's theology where they yes, we believe in

1028
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,280
confessional states, Yes, we believe in religious liberty. How do

1029
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,159
those two square? Uh, they're both.

1030
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean well I'm looking here at Vatican too.

1031
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:35,519
So you've got you've got so many things, not just

1032
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:39,000
still deservers, You've got immortal day, You've got vehement or knows.

1033
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,559
These are all papal documents prior to Vatican two. I'll

1034
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:47,320
read for example, Religious Liberty Document Chapter one says the

1035
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,960
Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right

1036
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:53,719
to religious freedom. Freedom of this kind is that everyone

1037
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,639
has is immune from all coercion of individual, social groups

1038
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,760
and every human power so that nothing should be I'm

1039
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,760
going to skip a little bit, so that nothing in

1040
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:10,039
religious matters should be constrained because it violates the dignity

1041
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,000
of the human person. What's funny is that in the

1042
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:17,119
Syllabus of Errors seventy seven, seventy eight, and fifty five,

1043
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,000
those are almost all identically condemned propositions in the Syllabus

1044
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:25,960
of Errors that are identically worded in Dignitatis or I

1045
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,960
think Dingnitatis Humani is the religious liberty document. So if

1046
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,920
you did want to read a little papal reading, just

1047
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,679
read the first couple sections of Vatican Two's Dignatatis Humani

1048
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,320
and then look at Immortal Day and Marauri Vos and

1049
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,920
the Syllabus of Errors, and I would say those are

1050
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,599
pretty strong contradictions.

1051
01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, back back to the geopolitics a bit. I'm not

1052
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:56,920
sure it's going to go quite that smoothly, Jason. You know,

1053
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:02,360
I don't think the Trump administration is ready yet to

1054
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:07,679
walk away from the project of American global hegemony. They

1055
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:11,599
are trying to shore up things and obviously in the

1056
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:14,639
Middle East, the ceasefire, this peace in our time between

1057
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:17,599
Iran and Israel. Will see how long that holds. They're

1058
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,039
trying to push for a ceasefire in Ukraine. That's not

1059
01:01:20,159 --> 01:01:23,480
going to work. On the other hands, the Russians, I

1060
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:26,079
don't think they want to press for a military victory

1061
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:28,480
as much as it becomes obvious that that is really

1062
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,800
the only solution. So I think there are a lot

1063
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,920
of places where this could go south. On has to

1064
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:39,039
become extremely dangerous. On the religious front. I'm hopeful, actually

1065
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:44,559
uncharacteristically optimistic, that all this project for a new union

1066
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,920
may go the way of the so called Ethnic and

1067
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,599
Medical Council Create twenty sixteen, where they labored mightily and

1068
01:01:51,679 --> 01:01:55,360
brought forth a mouse. It just seems to me that

1069
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,719
even with all of their shenanigans and their deceptions and

1070
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,199
so forth, how many of the autoscephalist churches will actually

1071
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,400
sign onto this thing. And I don't think there's going

1072
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,039
to be a whole lot of it'll be. I think

1073
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:08,840
it'll look actually a lot like what happened with the

1074
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:12,679
church in Ukraine. You'll get Conceptinople, you'll get the Primates,

1075
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,199
if not even the whole sentence of Greece and Cyprus,

1076
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,639
and you'll get Alexandria because somehow they've been terribly compromised.

1077
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,599
I don't think anybody else will go along with it,

1078
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,480
and the thing might just sort of die an ignominious death.

1079
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the interesting thing will be once Russia

1080
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:35,400
takes Odessa, whether they take it physically or through other means.

1081
01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:39,440
And they are definitely going to take Odessa. That puts

1082
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,239
them into into a huge confrontation with the Turks, because

1083
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,840
the Turks are moving on the Black Sea. There was

1084
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,440
just a report not too long ago that Turkey discovered

1085
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,880
a whole bunch of natural gas in the Black Sea.

1086
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,519
They're going to make a move. And if we if

1087
01:02:54,559 --> 01:03:00,679
we bring into the the orthodox premonitions of out World

1088
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,199
War three or the global conflict, we know that it's

1089
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,519
it's just a matter of time until Russian and Turkey

1090
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:09,920
get involved over Greece. So I wouldn't be surprised, especially now.

1091
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,039
The Poland is still is still in play, right, so

1092
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,119
as as Project Ukraine goes goes south, Project Poland they're

1093
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:20,840
they're talking pretty openly now with the Europeans and how

1094
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,000
great Poland is. Poland's in New Germany circa two thousand

1095
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,159
and two. It's Poland's amazing. Look at look how those

1096
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:28,519
those plucky little Poles.

1097
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 3: We're crushed out of Ukrainians. We need some Poles.

1098
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: We're just crushing it over there. Oh and they just

1099
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,440
happen to have the new the new the new border

1100
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:39,639
probably and yeah, maybe give them live off and see

1101
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:42,639
what they do with it. So, uh, I don't think

1102
01:03:42,679 --> 01:03:47,039
this is over. And whether and whether Putin or let's

1103
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:49,159
say the the Russian deep state want to admit it

1104
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,599
or not, a military solution is going to have to

1105
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:55,079
come and play at some point, because whether they move

1106
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:59,679
the borders between to Novorossia or beyond, it's it's gonna

1107
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:02,079
be the same old game. The city of London, uh,

1108
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,360
is I think deeply reacting to Bitcoin and a whole

1109
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,159
bunch of other all the markets changing on them, and

1110
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,400
they're not happy, and they're making they're still making some

1111
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:20,519
definite moves. So any last thoughts, gentlemen, and we'll say, well,

1112
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:23,239
bit of do Thank you again, thanks again Jay for

1113
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,960
doing this, Thanks thanks for having me, thanks for un

1114
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,840
blocking me. Now I need a new bit. This has

1115
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,199
been going on for a few years now.

1116
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:33,199
Speaker 2: Why maybe I miss block you or I thought misunders

1117
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:35,679
Sometimes I misunderstand people too. I think they're they're maybe

1118
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:38,119
they're joking. I think they're just being absolute butttheads.

1119
01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:40,519
Speaker 1: But I was probably being an absolute butt head. I

1120
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:43,440
mean there was there was that time in about you know,

1121
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:49,000
four or five, four or five years ago, I was

1122
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,239
very much that ortho bro coming into the church and

1123
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,239
going what everything everyone's wrong? And everything's I was picking

1124
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,639
fights all the left for the bright and the center.

1125
01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:59,960
I've calmed down since then, so so, but I was

1126
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:03,719
probably just beginn asshole. Gentlemen. Thank you so much. Thank

1127
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,559
you for everyone in the chat. Thank you for everyone

1128
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:08,719
who's been liking subscribing. Let the people know where to

1129
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,119
find us. Of course, go buy Jim's book I try

1130
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:15,320
to warn you, available on Amazon, Kindle and all the

1131
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,519
nice fine places out there. Links in the description below.

1132
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:22,320
And of course, Jay Dyer, we have a new book

1133
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,559
coming up. Would you want to give us any announcements

1134
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:26,159
on the new book?

1135
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,039
Speaker 2: Maybe another three weeks and we'll have s call. I

1136
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:31,800
went three out a lot of the films that I

1137
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,159
never got to that people requested and wanted to see

1138
01:05:35,239 --> 01:05:38,920
deep dives on, So we've gone a lot deeper again

1139
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,719
in part three. It's different than the first two, little

1140
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,480
a little more concise. So we have actually more movies

1141
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:48,440
covered in the third one than we covered in one

1142
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,960
and two. But yeah, that'll be out in a couple

1143
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,639
of weeks or maybe three weeks, and you can get

1144
01:05:52,679 --> 01:05:55,119
pre orders at the website. All the copies of the

1145
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:57,079
website are signed, so be sure and get it from me.

1146
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. You put THHX back my head.

1147
01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:04,719
Speaker 2: Have you talked about in part three?

1148
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,599
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, because it used to put that

1149
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:08,320
back in my head. I'm like, oh, I need to

1150
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:09,280
revisit that movie.

1151
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 3: V for Vendetta. Have you talked about that one? Vendetta the.

1152
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: Second one?

1153
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 3: Okay?

1154
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,119
Speaker 2: Great, Okay, I did an analysis in the second one.

1155
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: Do you have a ve?

1156
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I just sort of wonder why they would

1157
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,400
pull strings on a popular revolt, which is of course

1158
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,480
the last thing they want. But again I think there's

1159
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:43,119
there's some clever play on that.

1160
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:44,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1161
01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:49,599
Speaker 2: I think the revolution and that is essentially controlled opposition that.

1162
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:52,119
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1163
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: All right, I'm good, gentlemen, Thank you so much. Thank

1164
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,239
everyone in the stream. We'll talk to you again soon.

1165
01:06:59,679 --> 01:07:02,039
I am Jason Merrinchook. And it's lated a new thing.