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corridor of a hospital. Okay, the smell of antiseptic is

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just sharp in the air. The floor tiles gleam with

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that unmistakable institutional polish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that very specific hospital smell exactly, and the only

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sound is the rhythmic, reassuring hum of a heart monitor

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echoing from an open door at the very end of

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the hall, sitting a spooky scene here.

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Speaker 1: Well, you walk towards that room, right, and your footsteps

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feel strangely heavy. You don't know why you're here, but

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something just draws you in.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: You step through the doorway and your breath completely leaves

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your lungs.

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Speaker 2: What's in the room.

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Speaker 1: Sitting there on the edge of the hospital bed, is you,

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Oh wow, a perfect, living, breathing duplicate.

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Speaker 2: That is terrifying.

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Speaker 1: Right, and we're not talking about a twin here. We

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were talking about a flawless physical copy, a clone. A clone.

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Now imagine that this duplicate isn't just an empty vessel.

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It holds every single one of your memories, every single one,

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the exact sensation of your first kiss, the paralyzing grip

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of your absolute worst.

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Speaker 2: Fear, the lyrics to your favorite song, yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: The specific way you tap your foot when you hear it. Everything.

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But when you look deeply into this gimplicate's eyes, something

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is fundamentally missing.

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Speaker 2: Like the lights are on, but nobody's home exactly.

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Speaker 1: There's a void where the spark should be.

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Speaker 2: Is a human That is a deeply unsettling scenario, it

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really is. But it's actually the perfect philosophical wedge for

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what we're talking about today, which is why I wanted

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to start there, because it forces us to isolate the

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variables of human identity. Are we strictly the sum of

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our synaptic maps in biological hardware, or is there an

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animating force like a soul right in essence, a ghost

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in the machine that simply cannot be synthesized in a laboratory.

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Speaker 1: And that terrifying boundary pushing question is the entire foundation

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of our mission today. Welcome to Thrilling Threads.

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Speaker 2: Glad to be here for this one.

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Speaker 1: I am so incredibly eager to get into this because

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we are unraveling a set of claims that are controversial,

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utterly bizarre, and frankly, they blur the line between science

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fiction and suppressed science.

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Speaker 2: Fact, they really do.

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Speaker 1: We are looking at the life and the very loud

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claims of a man named George Green. George Green, according

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to the source material, Green was an alleged former finance

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guy for the big boys.

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Speaker 2: The big boys meaning the global elite.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. He claimed to have rubbed shoulders with the true

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architects of global power. And his central most explosive thesis.

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Speaker 2: This is the part that gets people that.

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Speaker 1: Human cloning hasn't just been a reality for a few years,

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but that it has been actively, covertly happening since nineteen

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thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: We need to pause right there and contextualize.

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Speaker 1: That date nineteen thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: Because nineteen thirty eight is a staggering claim.

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Speaker 1: It's pre World War two exactly.

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DNA was even discovered by Watson, Krick and Franklin in

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the nineteen fifties. Right to claim that we had the

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biological blueprint and the technological capability for manufacturing human beings

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at that point in history, it defies every established timeline

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of scientific advancement.

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Speaker 1: It sounds completely unhinged on the surface. But to you

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listening right now, I invite you to keep an open

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but highly critical mind as we weave through.

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Speaker 2: This Open but critical is the key.

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Speaker 1: We're going to present the information exactly as it's been

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sourced from Green and other adjacent whistleblowers, without taking any political.

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Speaker 2: Sides, no sides, just the data.

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Speaker 1: We're simply looking at the biological and moral hurdles. So

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let's start with the man himself, who is George Green.

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Speaker 2: The sources indicate he wasn't just some random theorist on

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Speaker 1: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: He claims to have run with presidents, dictators, and the

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world's elite, explicitly stating that his information comes directly from

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intelligence agencies.

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Speaker 1: He named names the CIA, the FBI, and various foreign governments.

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Speaker 2: Which immediately brings up the archetype of the whistleblower or

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props the insider.

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Speaker 2: When someone steps forward with information of this magnitude, they

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are placing themselves in a highly precarious psychological and physical position.

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away in twenty nineteen, reportedly of natural causes. Reportedly right reportedly,

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but his death leaves his ultimate truth ambiguous. It forces

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us to ask what it means to carry knowledge that

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is so forbidden, so paradigm shifting that it inherently isolates

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Speaker 1: I think the isolation is the heaviest burden. You're walking

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around with a secret that makes everyone think you're crazy, exactly,

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and George Green is the only one who has born

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that kind of weight, which brings us to a really

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brilliant parallel or sources draw to the legendary science fiction

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author Philip K. Dick.

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Speaker 2: Ah Philip K. Dick, a fascinating figure.

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Speaker 1: Consumed any sci fi media in the last forty years.

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life was arguably stranger than his fiction. He stated publicly

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and vehemently that the CIA and the FBI were actively watching.

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Speaker 2: Him, that they broke into his house.

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Speaker 1: Yes, destroyed his property, and stole his private papers.

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Speaker 2: I think it's crucial to look at how Philip K.

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was being harassed by government suits.

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Speaker 1: He went much deeper.

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Speaker 2: He developed an incredibly complex, overarching cosmological theory to explain

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his experiences. He genuinely believed that a variable was changed.

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Speaker 2: He described it as a literal reprogramming of reality, where

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an alternative world branched off and became.

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Speaker 2: He called this overarching intelligence Vealus vast active living intelligence

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system Veyaloss.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He even gave a famous speech at a sci fi

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convention in in Metz, France in nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: I read about this. He stood in front of an

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audience of his fans and.

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Speaker 2: Calmly told them that we were living in a computer

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programmed reality.

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is when some variable has changed and an alteration in

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our reality occurs.

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Speaker 2: It's wild to think about.

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Speaker 1: People in the audience thought he was doing a bit,

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in earnest.

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Speaker 2: He was deadly serious.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about the concept of alternate timelines, the multiverse,

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and simulation theory decades before the Internet or advanced AI.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, the Matrix wouldn't exist without these concepts.

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Speaker 2: And When we analyzed Philip K. Dick's supposed paranoia, we

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Speaker 2: Many of his deepest fears foreshadowed actual societal shifts. He

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was writing about mass surveillance, corporate overreach, and the blurring

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line between human and long before Silicon Valley made those

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concepts our daily reality.

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Speaker 1: The boundary between genius intuition and clinical paranoia is famously thin,

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very thin.

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Speaker 2: When a highly creative individual or an alleged insider like Green,

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perceives a pattern, they construct a narrative around it.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a metaphor.

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Speaker 2: Other times they are picking up on faint signals of

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truths that the general public is unequipped to hear.

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Speaker 1: The timing of Philipiydeck's death is the ultimate mic drop

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on that exact point. Really, it is uncanny. He passed

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novel Do Android's Dream of Electric Sheep is the seminal

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Speaker 2: It asks the exact same question we asked in our

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hospital scenario at the beginning of the show.

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Speaker 1: Exactly the irony of him dying right before his synthetic

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human theories hit the global mainstream. You couldn't write a

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more haunting end.

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Speaker 2: You really couldn't. It forces you to navigate a world

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that rejects your foundational reality, and that is the perfect

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psychological primer for diving into George Green's specific biological claims.

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Speaker 1: Because the logistics are just out there.

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Speaker 2: Because the logistics he describes require us to completely suspend

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Speaker 1: Well, let's lay out those logistics exactly as the sources

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present them. Green claims that eight different countries have been

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manufacturing cloned human beings since nineteen thirty eight. Eight countries,

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and he provides a chillingly specific methodology. He says, you

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take two somatic cells from a physical body. Okay, then

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Speaker 2: It gets much stranger when he details the incubation process.

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Speaker 2: He alleges that because these fertilized cells require a biological

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environment to grow, and because human surrogates would be a

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secret loud exactly.

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Speaker 2: He claims they utilized cows and sheep as surrogate food

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sources for the initial fourteen weeks of gestation cows and sheep.

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its own blood supply and is surgically removed from the

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animal surrogate, which.

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Speaker 1: Is just a grotesque mental image.

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Speaker 2: Then they supposedly use a highly specific pituitary hormone extract

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Speaker 1: And just to put a bow on the sheer audacity

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of the claim, he casually drops the origin of this

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technology where it came from. He states it wasn't developed

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by human ingenuity at all, but was given to government

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Speaker 2: The classic colloquialism for extraterrestrial yeah aliens.

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Speaker 1: The purported reason so that the global elite could harvest

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spare organs without ever having to worry about DNA rejection,

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because the organs would be a perfect tailored genetic match.

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Speaker 2: Let's completely set aside the extraterrestrial claims for a moment.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, that's a whole other rabbit hole.

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Speaker 2: As an analytical exercise, I want to focus purely on

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the biological mechanics he just described.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's break it down.

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Speaker 2: Taking a somatic cell, making it act like a fertilized

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nuclear transfer or SCNT.

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Speaker 1: SCNT.

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Speaker 2: It is the highly documented cloning method used to create

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Speaker 1: Six DOLLI the Sheep yeh, which was the.

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Speaker 2: First time a mammal was ever successfully cloned from an

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Speaker 1: SCNT is such a dense topic, but the correlation here

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is what makes my brain hurt. Green is describing a

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process that perfectly mirrors SCNT, perfectly, right down to the

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small electrical charge. But he claims this was happening in

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nineteen thirty eight, decades early mainstream science only achieved and

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publicized it nearly sixty years later. How could someone describe

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a complex microbiological procedure decades before the public knew the

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mechanics of it.

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Speaker 2: There are generally two ways to view that discrepancy. What's

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that Green simply retrofitted modern scientific knowledge, like the highly

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Speaker 1: He took a ninety six headline and backdated it to

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thirty eight to build his mythology exactly.

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Speaker 2: The alternative view held by proponents of these whistleblower narratives

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is that covert scientific advancements operate on a parallel truck

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decades ahead of public academia, funded by limitless black budgets

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and unconstrained by public ethics boorts.

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Speaker 1: Which naturally leads to the question of why we aren't

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seeing human clones walking around everywhere today? If the tech

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Speaker 2: For that long, it's a valid question.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where the distinction between SE ANDT

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and modern gene editing comes in, because people hear cloning

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and they think of crisper.

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Speaker 2: Oh, but they are entirely different.

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Speaker 1: Beasts, completely different, They are completely different paradigms of biological manipulation,

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How would you differentiate them? For someone trying to grasp

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the logistical nightmare of Green's claims.

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Speaker 2: Well, how do you usually explain it?

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Speaker 1: I always go back to the lego analogy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.

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Speaker 1: Cloning via SCNT is like trying to perfectly copy a massive,

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incredibly intricate Lego castle. But you don't have the instruction.

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Speaker 2: Manual, just the finished product.

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Speaker 1: You just have a picture of the finished castle, and

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you're trying to force a bunch of loose bricks to

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magically assemble themselves into that exact shape by jolting the

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table with electricity.

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Speaker 2: It's a brute force method.

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Speaker 1: And is highly unstable. On the other hand, Crisper the

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biotechnology making headlines today is like having the exact instruction manual,

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turning to page forty two and surgically swapping out a

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single red Lego block for a blue one.

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Speaker 2: That is a brilliant way to conceptualize its and it

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perfectly illustrates why SCNT is so fraught with biological hurdle.

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Speaker 1: It's not a clean process.

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Speaker 2: The success rate for sc and T is remarkably low.

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You often have to attempt the procedure hundreds sometimes thousands

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and even when an animal is born, they frequently suffer

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from severe developmental abnormalities. There is also the critical issue

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of telemare degradation.

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Speaker 1: Right the protective caps on the chromosomes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they naturally shorten as an organism ages.

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Speaker 1: It's essentially the biological clock.

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Speaker 2: When you clone an adult cell, you are starting with

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DNA that already has shortened telomeres. You are essentially birthing

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an organism with an inherently aged cellular structure.

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Speaker 1: So the clone is born old.

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Speaker 2: Biologically speaking, this often leads to the clone animal experiencing

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rapid premature aging and a host of age related diseases

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far earlier in their life cycle than normal.

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Speaker 1: Which makes Green's claim of creating perfect functional human duplicates

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and just state them in a sheep for fourteen weeks

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even more incredible. From a purely logistical standpoint. It's a

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massive stretch the real world science struggles to keep a

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clone sheep healthy in a perfectly controlled environment, let alone

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managing cross species immunological rejection.

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Speaker 2: The sheep's body would fight it.

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Speaker 1: A human fetus in a sheep surrogate would be attacked

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by the sheep's immune system almost immediately.

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Speaker 2: The immunological barriers are massive, and it's important to delineate

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the scientific consensus here. There is a massive distinction between

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reproductive cloning and therapeutic cloning.

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Speaker 1: Let's clarify that for the listener.

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Speaker 2: Reproductive cloning is the goal of creating a fully formed

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living being. This practice is overwhelmingly restricted by international scientific

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organizations across the globe.

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Speaker 1: It's banned practically everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Therapeutic cloning, however, uses the same basic SCNT technique, but

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the embryo is only allowed to develop for a few

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days in vitro to harvest stem.

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Speaker 1: Cells, just a clump of cells.

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Speaker 2: These stem cells can theoretically be used to repair damaged tissues,

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which loosely echoes Green's claim about growing.

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Speaker 1: Spare parts right the organ harvesting angle, But.

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Speaker 2: The scientific consensus remains absolute. There is no verified, peer

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reviewed evidence of a successfully cloned human being in existence, and.

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Speaker 1: Yet Green pushes right past the biological hurdles of creating

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the body and introduces something even more radical software. He

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moves from cloning the hardware to downloading the software. He

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claims that growing a physical clone for spare parts was

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just step one, what was up two? The powers that

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be eventually realized they had a much better deal if

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they could make these clones functional, walking, talking duplicates of

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specific people.

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Speaker 2: The logistical leap from growing a biological vessel to instilling

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it with a specific consciousness is the grand Canyon of

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biological science. How does he allege this was accomplished.

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Speaker 1: Through something he calls a sethogram a cethogram according to

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the sources, He describes it as being essentially like a

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CD or DV. He claims that the entirety of a person,

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conscious memory, every thought, every experience, their entire personality can

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be copied onto this biological disc and then literally downloaded

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into the physical brain of the newly grown clone.

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Speaker 2: Like installing an operating system.

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Speaker 1: Once that download is complete, you supposedly have an Android

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like duplicate. But because it's a copy of a copy,

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Green claims the process is imperfect. Glitches the duplicates get glitches.

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He says they require occasional tune ups, and that these

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tune ups happen at highly secure locations, specifically naming Camp

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David and a classified wing of Bethysda Hospital.

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Speaker 2: The anecdotal detail about the hospital staff is particularly eerie

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the nurses. The sources claim that if you were to

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speak to the nurses who work in these classified wings,

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they don't refer to these duplicates as patients them. They

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call them the others, the others. They acknowledge that these

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entities can think, they can act, and they possess the

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memories of the original person, but they fundamentally lack a

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soul the others.

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Speaker 1: It's pure horror. But before we write off the sethogram

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as pure Hollywood fantasy, we need to look at the

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real science of memory and data.

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Speaker 2: Because it's not entirely out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: Because the leap from biological body to biological hard drive

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isn't as crazy as it sounds when you look at

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what DNA actually is.

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Speaker 2: This is where information theory intersects with biology.

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Speaker 1: I love this part.

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Speaker 2: We are conditioned to think of our bodies as wetwear, meat,

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and bone, but fundamentally biology is an information system driven

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by code.

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Speaker 1: Biological code.

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Speaker 2: DNA uses four chemical bases to form sequences and those

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sequences are the explicit instructions for building and maintaining the organism,

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and the.

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Speaker 1: Storage density of that code is what blows my mind.

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The scientific community has already proven that DNA can hold

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enormous amounts of data, massive amounts. Researchers have successfully encoded

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entire books, high resolution images, and even video files into

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synthetic DNA strands.

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Speaker 2: They actually put a movie onto DNA, and.

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Speaker 1: More importantly, they were able to sequence that DNA later

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and read the data back without any loss of information.

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Speaker 2: It proves that biology is a programmable platform.

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Speaker 1: It's a hard drive.

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Speaker 2: If biology naturally operates like a highly efficient hard drive

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that continuously replicates trillions of times with astonishing precision. The

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concept of a biological medium storing complex information like memories,

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esethogram isn't scientifically impossible from a pure physics.

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Speaker 1: Standpoint, storage space is there.

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Speaker 2: The limitation is our current understanding of how to format, upload,

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and interface that data with a living neural network.

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a strand of synthetic DNA, why couldn't you theoretically store

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a synaptic.

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Speaker 2: Map In theory, yes, and.

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Speaker 1: The sources take this further by diving into epigenetics.

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Speaker 2: Epigenetics is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Unlike genetic changes, epigenetic changes don't alter the underlying DNA sequence,

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but they change how your body reads that sequence.

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Speaker 2: They turn genes on and off.

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Speaker 1: Stress, nutrition, and intense trauma leave physical chemical markers on

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your DNA.

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Speaker 2: Epigenetic inheritance is one of the most revolutionary discoveries of

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the last two decades. We now have documented evidence that

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the chemical traces of environmental stress can persist over time

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and be passed down to subsequent.

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Speaker 1: Generations, so trauma is inherited.

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Speaker 2: The lived experience of one organism leaves a biological mark

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that alters the gene expression of an entirely different later organism.

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Speaker 1: Which naturally brings up the highly controversial concept of cellular memory.

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Speaker 2: I knew we were heading here.

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Speaker 1: There are numerous reports from the field of transplant medicine

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where patients receive an organ and suddenly they develop new

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preferences or personality traits that perfectly match the deceased donor.

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Speaker 2: The classic stories.

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Speaker 1: There's the famous anecdote of a woman who received a

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heart transplant from a young man who loved chicken nuggets

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and beer. Things she previously hated post surgery, She's intensely

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craving them.

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Speaker 2: It's a compelling story.

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Speaker 1: It really forces you to ask where we actually live

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in our bodies. Is our identity localized strictly in our

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brain or is it distributed throughout the cellular network of

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our entire organism.

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Speaker 2: I have to push back gently on the cellular memory

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anecdotes go ahead. While those stories are incredibly compelling and

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ubiquitous in pop culture, they are heavily debated and largely

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dismissed within the rigorous scientific community.

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Speaker 1: Because it's hard to prove the effects.

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Speaker 2: Of massive immunosuppressant drugs, the profound psychological trauma of facing

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mortality and the subconscious desire to honor a donor often

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manifest as radical personality shifts.

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Speaker 1: It's psychological, not biological.

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Speaker 2: Neuroscience traditionally maps memory entirely to physical changes within the brain.

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When you learn something, neural networks store that information through

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synaptic modification.

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Speaker 1: The brain physically changes.

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Speaker 2: The connections between your neurons physically change shape, and protein

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synthesis occurs to solidify that memory. It leaves a tangible

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biological footprint in the tissue of the brain. Not the

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tissue of the heart.

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Speaker 1: But even if we restrict this self entirely to the brain,

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it still begs the question. If memory is just a

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physical footprint, a specific arrangement of proteins and synapses. Okay,

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if you have the technology to perfectly map and replicate

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that exact arrangement in a new cloned brain, what happens

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do you get the person?

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Speaker 2: That is the ultimate philosophical bottleneck, It really is. If

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you perfectly map every synapse and recreate it, do you

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recreate the consciousness or do you merely create a biological

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robot that possesses the memories and therefore thinks it is

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the person?

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Speaker 1: How would we even know the difference?

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Speaker 2: In an age where we can manipulate the biological hardware

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with crisper, we have to define what the ghost in

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the machine actually is. Green claims the clones are the

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others because they lack a soul, But scientifically, how do

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we quantify that absence? If the hardware is identical and

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the software is identical, what is the missing variable?

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Speaker 1: And that profound mystery transitions us perfectly into the final

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and definitely the most mind expanding aspect of the source material.

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Speaker 2: Are owing deep.

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Speaker 1: Now we are going all the way down the rabbit hole.

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We're moving from biological cloning to the very fabric of reality.

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Speaker 2: Itself, reality as a construct.

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Speaker 1: The sources mentioned an incredible anecdote from a man named

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John Lair. He claims he attended a lecture, sat in

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the audience, and watched a speaker deliver a presentation standard lecture.

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Only later did he supposedly find out that the speaker

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wasn't a human being at all, but a synthetic hologramlo

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and he noted that when you physically touch the skin

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of this synthetic being, it felt like plastic.

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Speaker 2: As a literal event, the idea of a tactile, plastic

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feeling hologram delivering a lecture sounds absurd.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like star trek.

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Speaker 2: But as a metaphorical prelude to George Green's ultimate overarching theory,

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it is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: It sets the stage.

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Speaker 2: Green doesn't just believe that holograms are a localized synthetic

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technology used by intelligence agencies. He posits a much grander

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cosmological view.

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Speaker 1: That humanity itself, our entire physical reality, is essentially a

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hologram made of condensed light.

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Speaker 2: Let's unpack that condensed light theory because he builds this

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idea step by step, starting with a deeply historical and

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biblical connection the Gospels of John. He references the line

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in the beginning was the word, but Green interprets this

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not as religious dogma, but as a structural metaphor for

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the physics of reality.

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Speaker 1: He argues that before a word can be spoken, it

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must first exist as a thought.

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Speaker 2: Therefore, thought is the absolute primary layer of reality. Words

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are simply thoughts that have been spoken aloud and given vibration.

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Speaker 1: The alignment here with the esoteric interpretations of quantum mechanics

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is impossible to ignore.

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Speaker 2: It is very striking.

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Speaker 1: In quantum physics, we know that physical matter is fundamentally

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illusory at the subatomic level.

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Speaker 2: It's mostly empty space.

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Speaker 1: The atoms that make up your body, the chair you

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are sitting on, they are comprised of over ninety nine

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point nine percent empty space.

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Speaker 2: What gives matter the illusion of solidity are vibrational forces, frequencies,

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and electro magnetic bonds.

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Speaker 1: The only reason my hand doesn't pass right through my

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desk is because the electrons in my hand are repelling

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the electrons in.

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Speaker 2: The wood, interacting force fields.

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Speaker 1: It's just force fields. So when Green says the body

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is just a temporary projection shaped by thought and sustained

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by vibration, he's basically using the language of mysticism to

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describe the standard model of particle physics. He is.

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Speaker 2: And we can take that even further by looking at

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the observer effect famously demonstrated by the double slit experiment.

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Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite experiments.

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Speaker 2: For those who might need a refresher on the visualization.

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Imagine firing single electrons one by one at a barrier

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that has two tiny slits in it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, pitture that.

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Speaker 2: Behind that barrier is a screen that detects where the

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electrons hit. If electrons were solid, little bullets of matter,

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you'd expect to see two distinct bands on the backscreen

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corresponding to the two slits.

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Speaker 1: Right, Like firing paintballs through a stencil, you just see

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two lines.

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Speaker 2: Of paint exactly, But that isn't what happens. Instead, over time,

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the electrons form an interference pattern on the back screen,

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a pattern of multiple.

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Speaker 1: Bands like ripples in a pond.

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Speaker 2: This pattern only occurs when waves interact with each other,

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meaning that each individual electron is somehow acting like a wave,

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passing through both slits simultaneously and interfering with itself before

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hitting the screen as a single particle.

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Speaker 1: And here's the part that keeps physicists up at night,

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the observation. When scientists placed a detector at the slits

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to simply observe which slit the electron actually goes through,

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the electron stops acting like a wave.

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Speaker 2: It acts like a solid bullet.

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Speaker 1: Again, and it only forms two bands on the screen.

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Speaker 2: The mere act of observation, the presence of measurement, forces

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the quantum system to collapse from a wave of infinite

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probability into a fixed state of localized reality.

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Speaker 1: Looking at it literally changes what it is.

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Speaker 2: This implies a deeply profound, almost unsettling connection between consciousness

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and the physical world. It suggests that reality does not

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exist in a localized, definite state until it is observed.

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Speaker 1: So if reality is just a vibrating probability wave waiting

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for an observer to collapse it into a hologram of

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condensed light, what is the observer?

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Speaker 2: What is doing the looking?

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Speaker 1: What animates this whole projection? According to Green, it's the soul.

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And here is where my absolute favorite historical myth enters

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the conversation. Green claims that the soul has a physical

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weight of exactly twenty two grams twenty two grams, and

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that it fundamentally connects to hydrogen, the most abundant element

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in the universe. We have to dissect the twenty two

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grams legend because it is legendary in the truest sense

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of the word.

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Speaker 2: It stems from a very real, very flawed experiment conducted

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in nineteen oh seven by a physician named doctor Duncan McDougall.

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Speaker 1: McDougall. Yes.

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Speaker 2: It is a classic example of early twentieth century fringe science.

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Attempting to empirically measure the spiritual.

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Speaker 1: He constructed a specialized, incredibly sensitive industrial scale that could

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hold an entire bed scale. He placed six terminal patients

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on this bed right before their passing and meticulously monitor

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their weight before, during, and after the exact moment of death.

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Speaker 2: And what did he find.

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Speaker 1: He claimed that in the very first patient there was

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an immediate, unaccounted for drop in weight of exactly three quarters.

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Speaker 2: Of announce which is roughly twenty one point three grams.

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Speaker 1: Usually rounded up to twenty one or twenty two grams

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in pop culture.

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Speaker 2: And we must be rigorous in pointing out that the

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scientific community thoroughly dismantled his findings almost immediately it toured apart.

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His sample size of six was statistically insignificant. Two of

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the tests had to be discarded entirely due to technical difficulties.

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Speaker 3: The equipment was just not reliable, His equipment was prone

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to mechanical error, and he entirely failed to properly account

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for the sudden loss of air in the lungs, the

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rapid evaporation of bodily fluids, and post mortem sweat.

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Speaker 1: But what I find so deeply fascinating is not the

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flawed methodology of the experiment, but the cultural endurance of

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the result.

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Speaker 2: Or one away.

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Speaker 1: This century old myth continually resurfaces. It is embedded in

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modern conspiracy theories and acclaimed films in the collective consciousness.

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Speaker 2: Because we want it to be true.

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Speaker 1: We so desperately want to believe that our essence, our soul,

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is a tangible thing that can be weighed, measured, and proven.

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Speaker 2: It speaks to our deep seated existential anxiety. We want

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empirical validation of our spirituality. Exactly, and Green ties this

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spiritual weight to the physical body through the concept of

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energy lines in kinesiology.

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Speaker 1: This part is wild.

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Speaker 2: The sources describe a demonstration Green performs on an interviewer

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named Carrie. He uses a form of applied kinesiology, which

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is the study of body movement and muscle testing.

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Speaker 1: He has her hold her arm out straight parallel to

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the ground, and initially she's strong, she can easily resist

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him pushing down on her wrist.

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Speaker 2: Very basic muscle tests.

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Speaker 1: But then he claims to cut her energy line. He

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doesn't physically strike her, He just performs a sweeping motion

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over her body that he claims this her holographic frequency.

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Speaker 2: A swipe of the hand, and suddenly.

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Speaker 1: She loses all physical arm strength.

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Speaker 2: Her arm just drops.

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Speaker 1: He goes on to claim that this physical manifestation can

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be dramatically weakened not just by his energy cuts, but

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by environmental factors like harsh fluorescent lighting, or even by

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holding a negative thought.

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Speaker 2: Applied kinesiology of the sort is widely regarded as pseudoscientific

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within mainstream medicine. It's controversial the physical weakness is almost

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entirely attributed to the ideomotor effect, unconscious involuntary physical movements

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caused by the subject's expectations, combined with the practitioners subtly

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changing the angle or leverage of their push suggestion. However,

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if we discard the theatrical energy cutting and look at

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the underlying claim that thought and environment dictate physical strength,

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the psychosomatic realities he is touching upon are entirely factual.

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Speaker 1: Has so connect those dots for.

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Speaker 2: Us, consider the well documented placebo and nocebo effects. A patient'senuine,

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deep seated belief that a harmless sugar pill is a

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powerful medication can trigger real, measurable biological healing, altering their brain,

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chemistry and immune response.

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Speaker 1: The placebo effect is incredibly strong.

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Speaker 2: Conversely, the nocebo effect demonstrates that if a patient believes

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a harmless substance or environment will cause them pain or illness,

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their body will physically manifest those negative symptoms.

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Speaker 1: They basically think themselves.

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Speaker 2: Sick, their thought collapses the probability wave of their biology

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into a state of illness.

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Speaker 1: So our belief systems, our thoughts, and our environments genuinely

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alter our physical biology.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: If you are sitting in an office with harsh, flickering

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fluorescent lights all day, it absolutely affects your cortisol levels,

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your eye strain, your circadian rhythm, or your overall energy.

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You feel exhausted, you physically feel drained. So whether you

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choose to describe it as disrupting a condensed light hologram

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or triggering a psychosomatic stress response, the end result is

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exactly the same.

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Speaker 2: The biological vessel is being controlled by the environment and

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the mind.

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Speaker 1: It demonstrates that the boundaries between thought, environment, and physical

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matter are much more porous that we typically experience in

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our day to day lives.

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Speaker 2: We are not closed biological systems. We are constantly interacting

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with and being actively shaped by the energetic and chemical

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information in our environment.

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Speaker 1: Wow, we have covered an astronomical amount of ground today.

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Speaker 2: It's been quite the journey.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a moment to summarize this incredible journey we've

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taken on thrilling threads. We started with the cinematic terror

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of meeting a soulless biological duplicate of yourself. The others,

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we explored the deeply controversial claims of Georgia Green, a

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man who alleges human cloning has been happening in the

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Shadows since nineteen thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: Decades before the science was public.

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Speaker 1: We look at the tragic prophetic paranoia of Philip K.

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Dick and the profound psychological burden of carrying forbidden knowledge.

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Speaker 2: And simulation theory.

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Speaker 1: From there, we grounded these wild claims in the concrete,

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verifiable science of somatic cell nuclear trains, answer the Dolly

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the Sheet method, and we examined the logistical nightmares of

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using animal surrogates, the immunological rejection. We dove into the

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mind blowing reality of epigenetics and the fact that DNA

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is literally a microscopic hard drive capable of storing vast amounts.

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Speaker 2: Of data, the cethogram concept.

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Speaker 1: Finally, we zoomed all the way out to the quantum

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mechanics of holographic realities, the wave function collapse of the

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observer effect, and the centri old desire to weigh the

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human soul.

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Speaker 2: It is a vast, intricate, and deeply challenging.

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Speaker 1: Web of information, it really is.

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Speaker 2: And I'd like to offer one final insight for the

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listener to truly chew on. As you process the sheer

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scale of what we've discussed, realize that it almost doesn't

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matter whether George Green's specific claims about nineteen thirty eight.

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Extraterrestrials or cethograms or literal historical truths or profound elaborate metaphors.

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Speaker 1: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: Because the verifiable modern science of synthetic biology proves something

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equally staggering. Life is a programmable platform that is heavy.

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Right now, as you listen to my voice, your cells

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are actively executing complex biological code, and that code is

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not spatic. It is being actively rewritten right this very second,

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by your environment, by your stress levels, by the food

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you ate today, and potentially by the very thoughts you

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were having about this.

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Speaker 1: Conversation changing as we speak.

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Speaker 2: You are not just a static physical object. You are

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a walking, breathing, dynamically reprogramming biological supercomputer.

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Speaker 1: That is beautifully terrifying. And it brings me to my

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final question for you, the listener. I really want you

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to think about this, because the science is accelerating faster

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than our philosophy it always does. Let's say the technology

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existed tomorrow, perfectly safe and commercially available, you could walk

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into a clinic and perfectly back up your memories, your

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entire consciousness onto a biological drive, a real life sethogram.

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Speaker 2: Would you do it?

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Speaker 1: Would you would you back yourself up just in case,

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and more importantly, when they eventually boot that drive up

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and download it into a fresh cloned body. Would that

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backup truly fundamentally be you or just a copy? Or

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would it just be another a perfect simulation missing its

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twenty two grams of essence? Where do you stand on this?

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What is the defining line of human identity? Leave a

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comment below and let us know what you think, because

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this is a debate we absolutely need to have before

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the science fiction becomes our daily reality.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this mind

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bending episode of Thrilling Threads. We hope we kept you

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on the edge of your seat. Stay curious, stay questioning,

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and we will see you next time.