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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back to the Shirley You Can't Be

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Serious podcast. We are here for our second part of

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our competition between a gunfight, if you will, between Tombstone

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and Young Guns one and Young Guns two.

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Speaker 1: Dog did you see the side of that chick in?

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We are going to get on our spirit horse and

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see where a lee It says, okay casting on Young Guns. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So we talked earlier Christopher Caine, the director of Young Guns,

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directed Emelia.

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Speaker 1: Estevez in That was then.

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Speaker 3: This is now Estevez name sometimes throws people off. He

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is the son of Martin Sheen and the brother of

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Charlie Sheen. Sheen is their professional name. Yes, I heard

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Amelio talking about this. They're like, did you ever think

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about taking the Sheen name.

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Speaker 1: He's like, well, yeah I did.

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Speaker 3: He said, I had a lot of agents coming to

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me and saying, look, kid with a name like Sheen,

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you know your dad can propel you a lot if

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you'll just use it. And so he's like, okay, okay,

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And so he took some headshots and it said Emilio

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Sheen and he's like he laughed. He's like that just

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looks so stupid to have such a strong Latin first

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name and then such a regular last name. He's like,

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it's too I can't do it right, I can't do it.

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Change it back to sts Carlos Stevs.

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Speaker 1: But he goes by Arlie. She's not really an americanized

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version of Emilio. There's no Charlie to go to on

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that one. We'd just call him Andrew. I would expect

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more from a varsity athlete Andrew. All right.

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Speaker 3: So you've got Emilia Steves, who's hot off of the

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Breakfast Club. One movie that he was in that I

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forgot to mention that is a personal favorite of mine

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is an s he Hinton story that they made called

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Texts Isn't. Yeah, he's in that one, Matt Dyllan. Yeah,

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and it took place and shot all around to also

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Oklahoma when I was growing up. So definitely fond memories

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of that movie.

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Speaker 1: Cool. Then you've got Kiefer Sutherland.

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Speaker 3: Yep, you wrote fifteen year old boy straight into his

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grave and the rest of us straight to hell. Okay,

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backing up to Emilia, rest of as real quick he was.

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He turned twenty six when Young Guns was shot in

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nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: Eight, right, and there be hanged by the neck till

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he be dead, dead dead. How do you have anything

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to say, young man, Yes.

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Speaker 4: Your honor, I do.

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Speaker 1: You can go to hell, hell, hell, okay, all right.

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Speaker 3: Keefer Sutherland had just been the Lost Boys. Yeah, flash

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back to our Lost Boys episode. Yes, he had just

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turned twenty one. He turned twenty two at the in

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the end.

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Speaker 1: Of eighty eight. He's just it's crazy, twenty one years old.

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He looks like the older, wiser guy of the group,

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but he was the youngest customer. Fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he would have been in stand By Me at

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twenty he was the bad guy and stand By Me

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with member of his gang, Casey Casey Chamisko. Yep, yep,

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all right and Casey Chamisco.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, oh it's you nine.

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Speaker 6: Is that right, John, He went on, Yes, yes, it.

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Speaker 3: Is turned twenty seven. In nineteen eighty eight, he had

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been in Back to the Future. He'd been in a

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movie called Three o'clock High.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think we've mentioned this a few times. If you

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have not seen Three o'clock High and you like eighties movies, awesome,

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awesome movie.

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Speaker 1: So I told you that my brother got certified scuba

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diving with case He's a mesco right, let's hear it.

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I don't have it. He didn't do it. He was

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at like a Formula one race and he was too

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loud and I was like, I need the Casey never mind. Okay,

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So your brothers took scuba Lezzes, Well, yeah, he got

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his certification, like the last dive that you do when

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you're becoming certified scuba diver. And his opinion at the time,

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back in the eighties was that it came. He was

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an able, but my brother was a teenager wreck then,

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so what does he know. I'm I'm not saying that.

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I was just maybe Casey was having a bad day

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that day. Casey, he plays Charlie Bounder. Yeah, okay. Then

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you have Lou Diamond Phillips.

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Speaker 7: Many nights, my friend, many nights, I'd put a blade

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to your throat while he was sleeping.

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Speaker 2: Glad I never killed you.

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Speaker 1: Steve Yes, he was actually one of the oldest guys.

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He was twenty five when they shot. Yeah, right now.

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He had just come off of Stand and Deliver and.

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Speaker 8: Lobamba, Which it's interesting those, I mean, those are obviously

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well known movies.

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Speaker 1: We know them very well, but I mean Standard Deliver

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was like a micro budget independent movie. Oabamba was a

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negative pickup project, small budget movie that just half they

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both happened to hit. But he hadn't gotten any work

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for like six months. And he's like, Okay, Oh, I

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got this part. That's a cowboy movie. I'll go audition

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for it. Okay, great, And they send him the script,

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but they don't tell him what the audition pieces are,

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and so he's like, I'm just gonna go pick out

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my favorite scenes and I'll just know those scenes so

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I can use that. Right, He's meeting with the producers

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with Christopher Kane and he's like okay, and they're talking

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and he's like, I'm really excited about this. I hope

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I can be a part of this project. I don't

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know what the audition parts are, but I've memorized some

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of these other parts. And they're looking at him like, yeah,

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you got the part already, buddy, you don't have to

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and he's like oh. And it was like that moment

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that he knew that he had made it, Like he

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didn't realize that despite the fact that he had had

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two really successful movies under his belt, he was still

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new and he wasn't getting work. He wasn't getting work,

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and it's like, oh I have it all right, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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oh what it? Yes? Okay, quick, a funny story on

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Lou Diamond Films. That's a great story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that every night after shooting they would go to

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the bar.

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Speaker 1: This is in New.

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Speaker 3: Mexico and this is like I think they stayed in

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Santa Fe, right, but Cinta Fe is not exactly New

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York City or Hollywood or anything.

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Speaker 1: So, but they do have karaoke bars. Apparently they do.

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Speaker 3: So there was this, uh, you know, a local band playing,

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and we got all these young guys at the bar

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drink and have fun, young whatever. And so every night,

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every night they'd be like, all right, Lou, let's go

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up here.

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Speaker 1: LaBamba hit it.

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Speaker 3: So he said that every night they would they would

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make him sing LaBamba and they would always sing knocking

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on Heaven's door.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice. Splash back to our usual Lesion too episode.

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By the way, just in case anybody doesn't know, he

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didn't actually sing LaBamba in the movie. Yeah, okay, that's hysterical, man,

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This guy sucks, all right.

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Speaker 3: Charlie Sheen, who is Amelio's younger brother.

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Speaker 1: He plays Dick Brewer. Yes, go in there and cut

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the son of a bitch in a half.

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Speaker 6: I'm daring you.

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Speaker 3: Billy who was actually supposed to be played by Patrick

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Swayze Patrick Swayze, but Patrick Swayzey said, I've done too

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many of these ensemble pieces.

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Speaker 1: I was in the Outsiders, I was in Red Dawn.

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I don't want to be that guy that's in these

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group pieces every time. So now, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Swayzey would have been awesome as a cowboy. Perfect, Yeah,

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it's perfect. But Charlie Sheen does a fantastic job. He

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does great, Okay, and then Dermott Maroney plays dirty Steve Stevens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're red ass Mexican Greece. You do it with

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Speaker 6: Mexican Greasa.

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Speaker 3: They said that the prop guys came to him like,

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all right, dude, you gotta have your face dirty the

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whole time. You're always chewing tobacco, And so he would

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chew actual tobacco. Oh and he like crams that chaw

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in there like and they asked him that he was like,

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he can't even close his lips right, So they said,

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you know, we can make fake tobacco where it's like

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tutsie rolls and he's like, no, no, man.

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Speaker 1: Real tobacco. So he just he did the real deal.

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So that is funny because the real person's name was

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dirty Steve Yes. And they pointed out on Dan the

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based on a True Story Young Guns episode, They're like,

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the common practice was to take a bath once a week.

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That's what everybody did. How dirty did you have to

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be to be called dirty Steve? Back then everybody else

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, I watched I listened to the commentary of

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Young Guns, which I thought this was hilarious. So they

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were lou Diamond Phillips and Casus Schmeska were saying to Dermottroney.

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Speaker 1: They were like, dude, you were dirty. You were dirty

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Speaker 3: I took a shower every day because because.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't. He goes when I washed my hair,

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I did never use shampoo. It's like not washing, that's

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Speaker 3: So he said that was that was kind of my contribution.

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Speaker 1: I didn't use shampoo. You congratulations, you got your hair wet.

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The dirt wet. So we got Terrence stamp As John.

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Speaker 3: Mister Murphy is going to continue coming to you claiming

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I've taken his property until I pronounced the thief and

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shaken out of Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: Who General Zodd, General Zod, which it was neat to

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see him as a good guy.

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Speaker 3: He was, I mean, he was genteel, smart, yeah, and

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well meaning.

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Speaker 1: Ye. And then you've got Jack Palance with this horrible

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Speaker 6: Well, the beltader has spoken, but he was.

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Speaker 3: Still a great back guy. Yeah, he's always over the top.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who was also in Tombstone as the mayor. That's right, Yeah,

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we'll cross over there. That is right. There is a

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connection right there. Okay, so let's talk about young guns

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Speaker 5: All right, so.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about young guns too, real quick. Well, obviously

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a lot of the same folks are involved, but it's

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actually not a lot. It's three. It's only three. It's

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only three. It's Billy the Kid, It's Chavez Chavez, and

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it is Doc Carlott, which is interesting because some of

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the guys that were killed, Dirtie, Steve and Charlie, they

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didn't they didn't get guilled. No, they didn't die, which

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is a shame because it had been great to see

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them in Part two, and they had started writing Part

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two while filming of Part one was still going on.

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They thought, there's going to be some unanswered questions, there's

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more to the story. We want to develop this thing,

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and so John Fusco got a whole lot of Billy's

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dialogue from actual newspaper interviews and reports that had been

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done between eighteen seventy nine and eighteen eighty one. By

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the way, Fusco also appears as the branded man in

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that pit scene and Young Gun too bon Jovi in it. Yes, right,

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he's got the JC for John Chisholm branded on it branded.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, should we talk about cameos now or wait,

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let's talk about him now.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. I just mentioned it, so we

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might as well. Right, So Young Guns two, Let's let's

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talk about Young Guns one. Okay, let's talk about Young

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Guns one. The cameos from Young Guns one? Okay, So

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who shows up Tom Cruise? Tom Cruise, who's buddies with

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Amelia Estevez because they were both in The Outsiders together.

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That's right. Shot in Tulsa Oklahoma, Oklahoma. Little text connection there,

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all right, Yeah, and so he had never been shot

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in a movie before, and he's like, man, I'd love

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it if I could get shot, Like, dude, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Of course, get this guy a mustache and a trench

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code and cowboy hat.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you have to look really quickly when after you

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can use the freeze frame like every player has these days.

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Speaker 3: There's a scene where they are burning down Alex's house

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and the regulators are trapped inside and they decide to

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make a run for it.

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Speaker 1: Right yep.

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Speaker 3: They throw Billy out the top window spoilers in a box,

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right okay, and he jumps up.

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Speaker 1: Right yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: Then Charlie comes out the side door. The next bad

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guy who gets shot is Tom Cruise.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. When you look, you're like, yep, that's Tom Cruise.

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Yeah yeah, but I never knew it until I was

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tell this little secret was revealed when we were looking.

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It's fascinating.

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Speaker 3: When he came to town, he said that, you know,

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of course they're young or whatever, and they're like he's like, hey, guys,

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what are you guys doing. They're like, well, I'm just

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shooting this Guyboy movie. He's like, how about tomorrow we

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go skiing. They're like, let's go.

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Speaker 1: We're in New Mexico. So they all win skiing except

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for Lou Diamond Phillips, who didn't know ski. He's also

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scared of heights. He is scared of fight, which makes

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that scene the Spirit worlds.

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Speaker 5: You see, Sugar, You see the son.

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Speaker 1: He's standing up on that rock, like thirty feet off

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the ground. Yeah. And if you look at his face

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you see fear in his you do. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Also cameo is Randy Travis. What Randy Travis.

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Speaker 1: Randy freaking Travis Your country?

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Speaker 3: No way, that's that's well, it's George. There is a

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pure Country connection.

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Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead. Christopher Kine, Yes directed Pure Country. Yeah,

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that's right.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Randy Travis is one of the guys operating in the

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Gatling Gun What. Yes, Wow, Randy Travis. He takes out

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Alex McSween.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, that's good.

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Speaker 3: You want another cameo, Sure, another cameo bad guy who

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gets killed? Yeah, Meliss, Oh yeah, he's sitting around on

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one day, bored out of his mind. He's like, crap

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and put me in let me get shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's short and extras. He didn't have anything to

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shoot that day. It's like, make me one of the

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bad guys. All right. So we're coming into Young Guns

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too here where obviously a major character is Pat Garrett. Yes,

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not played by the same actor. That's right. Do you

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know who the actor was in the first one, Yes,

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I do. His name is Patrick way Wayne, son of

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Bruce Wayne John. Wayne John Wayne's son, freaking Wayne's son

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was Pat Garrett.

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Speaker 3: He was awesome and they had that scene in Young Guns.

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It's it's kind of interesting. He comes to tell Billy

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that he's in trouble, he needs to skin out and

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go roll in Mexico. Yeah, right, and Billy actually turns

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his back on him and says, Patt, are you my friend?

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And if you look really carefully in the backgrounds out

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of focus, his hand goes to his gun and then

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he's like, yeah, Billy, I'm your friend, puts his hand down.

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It's like, do I take this guy out? Nope, I'm

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going to now And then of course yes in part two,

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William Peterson from CSI Fame and he was in to

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Live and Die.

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Speaker 1: In las Manhunter. That's with Stephen Lang who was like Clinton.

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They were both in Manhunter. Really yes, connections everywhere. Yeah,

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Stephen Lang was the reporter that they set on fire.

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I can remember that from that from watching it one

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time back in the nineties. Yeah, I mean I remember

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that scene I did. That was Stephen Lane. Yeah, okay.

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He has this crazy, like very curly hairdoo. Interesting. He also,

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by the way, was in the first movie we saw together,

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which was Avatar. He's the general who's he's fantastic, bad

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guy bad a. Yeah. I saw an interview with him

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and they're like, so, did you get a percentage of

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this movie? He's like, that's interesting. My son asked me

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that question. But I got a percentage of this movie. Yes,

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I did. I got zero percent of this movie.

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Speaker 3: One percent of Avatar would have been a bazillion dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, okay.

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Speaker 3: So we talked about William Peterson right, super famous now

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because he was in CSI Forever.

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Speaker 1: Yep, Okay.

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Speaker 3: You also had Christian Slater who plays Arkansas Dave rudebah, Ye.

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Speaker 5: Tell me something, Chavez was it the sad was just

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putting it to a Mexican war.

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Speaker 3: Was an Indian horror putting it to the whole goddamn Mexicans.

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He was actually twenty years old wow when he shot Yeah,

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because he's playing a twenty five year old.

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Speaker 1: He was just like the kid in robin Hood Prince

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of Thieves, right, that's right, Yeah, that's right. One year later.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have Christian Slater. You also have Alan

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Ruck who played Cameron from Ferris Bueler's Day.

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Speaker 1: Off when Cameron was in Egypt. Sorry, don't do that.

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Take out that I was terrible. No, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: He was thirty four when he shot this, which he's

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not really a young gun. He was a farmer or whatever. Yeah,

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but the amazing thing is that he was thirty years

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old when he played Cameron.

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Speaker 1: Nuts. Yes, but that character is not an actual historical figure.

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That was William Henry French was not a true figure, right,

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but Arkansas Dave Rudabah was and he had been with

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the Regulator for quite a while, like he would he

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had been with him. That was the other thing. There

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were about twenty regulators, not six, right, so that was

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a little Hollywood license that was done there. But he

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was one of the original regulators.

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Speaker 3: You also have a bout the Czar Getty. Yes, he

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plays tom O Filliard.

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Speaker 1: He was the kid that was in Lord of the Flies, right.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Yeah, he turned fifteen during the

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shooting of Young Guns two. Right, he actually he's the

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fourteen and a half and half is important. That half

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has a lot of experience in there. He The interesting

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thing about that character that he plays Toma Folliard. Tomo Filliard,

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I think I'm saying that right. Historically that was one

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of the best friends of Billy the Kid.

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Speaker 1: Oh really, so when he was.

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Speaker 3: Shot and killed as a regulator. Yeah, it wasn't this

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you kill a kid, Patsy, No, it's just a He

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was just a regular, same age guy as the.

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Speaker 1: Rest of them. Right, Okay, So a couple of names

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worth mentioning. We got Vigo Mortenson, oh gosh, yes, as

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John W. Poe pre Lord of the Rings where he

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was became mega famous. Got to have a movement me too.

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Speaker 3: You also have Jenny Wright, who played Rob Lowe's wife

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in sant Emo's Fire that also had Emeliu Stws. Yeah,

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that's right, she plays Jane Goodall.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how we didn't mention the fact

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that Dana Wheeler Nicholson was Mattie Blaylock and Tombstone, but

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she was the love interest in Fletch. She was Missus Stanwick.

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Missus Stanwick.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, we've never we haven't covered flod yet,

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but we.

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Speaker 1: Need to, Okay, So talking about those characters and historical

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accuracy and that sort of thing. So the original screenplay

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actually had Doc Skurlock living. At the end, Kiefer Sutherland

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was going to live just like happened in real life,

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going to Texas with his wife, right, right, And so

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why did it and the way that it did well,

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Apparently Keifer Sutherland said, Hey, I got scheduling conflicts and

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I'm not going to come back to the Young Guns

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franchise unless you have my character die in the Stinking

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Springs shootout. And John Fusco was like, no, that's no, no, no, no,

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Doc has to live. But ultimately he went ahead and

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did what Keifer said, and that's why he dies. So

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it was Keifer Keefer's doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the real Doug Scurloca lived until nineteen twenty nine,

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I believe yeap nineteen twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: He died at age eighty. Which here's a funny story

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about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he got in a gunfight one time Doc Skurloc okay,

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before he became a regulator.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of our card game. He got shot in the face.

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Good thing. He went to medical school.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he got let's talk about that. He

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got the name doc because he studied medicine at Tulane.

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Speaker 1: That was from New Orleans. He just left early. Yeah,

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got shot in the face. Okay. The bullet took out

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his front teeth.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and exited his neck and it didn't even knock

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him down. And so after the dude had fired his bullet,

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he just raised his gun and blew the guy away.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Took one in the face and then returned fire killed

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the guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fair fight. Sure, Okay. Were we talking about

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Young Guns too? Yeah, we're talking about Young Guns too.

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And you know, it's interesting. I saw the interviews on this,

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like every single one of the returning characters obviously said

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they liked Young Guns two better than Young Guns One. Now,

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of course they're promoting the movie as well, so of

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course they would say that. But I, like I said,

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I remember liking it better when I was a kid too.

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But one of the other things that Amelia Staves said

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was he talked about the other Billy the Kid movies

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that he had seen that might have had some influence

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on it. He said, probably the biggest influence on this

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movie was Sam Pick and Pause, Pat Garrett and Billy

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the Kid, which was nineteen seventy three. I've never seen

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that movie. Okay, so you know, do you know who

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played Pat Garrett in that movie? Tell me James Coburn,

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who played John Chisholm Mischism in Young Guns. You took

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a lot of people's Now that's interesting. Yeah, there's another

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Billy the Kid movie that came out in nineteen eighty nine.

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What it was, I made for TV movie. Yeah, do

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you know who played the part of Billy the Kid?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Val Kilmer? What yes? No way? Is your mind blown?

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I actually saw that movie like he had the old

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top at that like Billy the Kid has in the

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old pictures, and it was I I can remember seeing

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that movie and going, this is nowhere near as good

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as Young Guns. I don't even know that I watched

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it all the way through. But Val Kilmer nineteen eighty nine,

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I mean, he's made top secret, he's made real genius.

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But somehow nineteen eighty nine he's in a TV movie

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as Billy the kids.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's a good one that you're blowing my mind

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with that. I didn't know that. Okay, young guns too.

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I want to talk about a couple things.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Lou Diamond Phillips, yeah, almost died on set.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I sent you this video. Yeah I seen, I

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had seen it. I actually asked you. I asked you

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because like, this is such a fantastic story. If you

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don't know it, I'm going to be excited to tell it.

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So you already know it, you go ahead. Wow, Okay,

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So here's the deal. So I jump in. I can't help,

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but I'm want to jump in. Ok go tell it. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So they had already shot most of the dramatic scenes,

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so now they're doing everything on horseback, and Lou Diamond

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Phillips horse arrow with a pain in his butt from

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day one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he is. He was from Texas, so he's like, oh,

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I've ridden a horse before, and they're like, all right,

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we'll give you the one that's part. By the way,

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Lou Diamond Phillips is not Latino. He's Filipino. Yeah, he's

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got a little cherokey in him, I believe. But yes,

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mixed an Indians anyway.

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Speaker 3: So I just found that interesting that he is not

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Latino at all.

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Speaker 1: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: So there's a scene where he's got chains on handcuffs

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and they put a squib in between so that he

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was going to come running one way, you know, Emilio

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Estevez is coming the other way. Billy's gonna shoot boom,

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break the pancuffs in half.

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Speaker 1: Right, This was a scene that they had not planned, right,

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and this was the last minute. Hey, we decided to

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do this right.

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Speaker 3: Well, he had just escaped from jail. He's supposed to

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be hung, right, so he still had a noose around

467
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,799
his neck. Yeah, okay, Well the prop man hadn't had

468
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:27,960
a chance to score the noose, right, And so what

469
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,759
generally happens is if you're ever in any kind of

470
00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,519
dangerous situation, there's always a way out, So they score

471
00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:35,759
the noos in case something happens, and that way it'll

472
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,920
tear away if you get it hooked on something. Well,

473
00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:41,920
here comes Millio and his gun, and here comes Lou

474
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,079
Diamond Phillips and his gun. They fire, that squib goes

475
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,000
off and Lou Diamond Phillips horse rears back high in

476
00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:51,839
the air straight up. Yeah, tosses Lou off the horse. Well,

477
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,480
the noos gets hung in the saddle, so he's got

478
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:57,519
a real noose around his neck that's hooked to the

479
00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:00,839
saddle and there goes arrow boom down the street. There

480
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,960
was like one thing and it was Mexico.

481
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,519
Speaker 1: Right, it was the desert. It was the desert. The

482
00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:09,279
horse was dragging him to the barren desert.

483
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,519
Speaker 3: So he's being pulled right, choking to death. People are

484
00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:16,599
chasing after him. The horse kicks Hi breaks his elbow, right.

485
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: It broke his arm in two places, four places. Well, yeah,

486
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,240
and the two of them were compound. It came through

487
00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:26,000
the skin. Oh gosh.

488
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,279
Speaker 3: So then they it continues to pull and it tears

489
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:32,440
through you know. He takes out this prop thing and

490
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:35,519
this woodpile and that thing, and then he finally hits

491
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:39,400
a thing of railroad ties, crashes and breaks his patilla.

492
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:42,039
Speaker 1: He was being dragged for like it was going on

493
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,160
and on. These horse hooves are like inches away from

494
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,720
his face. He actually gets kicked in the head at

495
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,960
one point. Oh my gosh, and he thought he was

496
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,319
usually he was like, this is it, this is it.

497
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,039
I'm having that moment that people have before they die.

498
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,839
I'm about to die.

499
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,039
Speaker 3: So he finally when he it hits that pile of

500
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,759
railroad ties. Yeah, it breaks the rope, Yeah, breaks the

501
00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:06,519
rope crazy that's around his neck.

502
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, breaks his potella, breaks his potella on the railroad ties.

503
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,039
Speaker 3: So they have to airlift him because there's no ambulances

504
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:14,599
in the middle of nowhere.

505
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: And it's going to be an hour before the helicopter

506
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:19,079
can get there, right, So they call the medic over

507
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,839
and it's Emelio Estevez on one side, the medic on

508
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,039
the other side, and everything that had been numb, and

509
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:28,960
then he starts lou Diamond Phillips, starts to feel the

510
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,839
pain everywhere, and he starts screaming. You know in the

511
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,759
movie when when Chavez is screaming, like, you're like, wow,

512
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,720
he's really that's the screaming that he's doing. And so

513
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,599
Ameliustevez is freaking out and he's like, give it morphne,

514
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,359
give it morphine. Yeah, and the medic's like no, no, no, no,

515
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:47,480
we don't know what kind of internal injuries. He says,

516
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,799
you know, the morphine could do something really bad to him.

517
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,599
He's like he grabs him by the shirt lapels. He's

518
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,519
like he is in pain, give him morphine, and so

519
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,720
I don't know the story whether he get the morphine

520
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,599
or not. I'm guessing so, but there's an hour wait.

521
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,079
Amelia Estevez lays down next to Lou Diamond Phillips and

522
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,799
just sits there and just holds him, comforts him, talks

523
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,680
to him the entire time until the helicopter gets there.

524
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:13,960
He was in the hospital for like six weeks or something.

525
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,759
Made me tear up when I heard that story. That's

526
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,880
a good friend. Their pals and easy being pals now.

527
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: And there was no report whether or not Lou Diamond

528
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:24,000
Phillips was going.

529
00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: I'd say, i'se sweet Mary's ask how the hell did

530
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,480
you get him to do that? What's that mean?

531
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 6: Anyway, I'd say, I'd say it's an ancient Neva whole word,

532
00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:38,480
I mean stop.

533
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,079
Speaker 1: So practical jokes abounded on the set as well on

534
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,240
the set of the original movie when they the young

535
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:51,680
Guns won, when they came in, they all got a

536
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:55,720
package that was purportedly from the studio saying, you know,

537
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,119
this is what we think of your chances for success.

538
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,319
We're really rooting for.

539
00:26:59,279 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 5: You, guys.

540
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: And then you open up the package and it was

541
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,880
cout Chips. I think that was that was actually Amilia

542
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,039
Estevez and he had done that and he sent it off.

543
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:10,519
But he actually had been in a big breakup right

544
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:13,359
before this and was kind of sad and brooding for

545
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,440
the entire shoot for Young Guns one right, and so

546
00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:21,000
to lighten the mood, lou Diamond Phillips puts makeup on

547
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:25,000
a sheep and then throws it into Amelia Estevez's trailer.

548
00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:29,559
That's so nice of him. Yeah, his pals and snacking

549
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,599
on you. That's awesome. Okay, let's talk about some of

550
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:48,440
the things that they got right historically in Tombstone. Okay, yeah, okay,

551
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,480
So the shootout at the OK Corral. Yes, so the

552
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,480
line quoted by Doc at the end of the fight

553
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,720
at the OK Corral is historically true and was reported

554
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,480
in the Tombstone Papers reporting on the fight. When confronted

555
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,119
by one of the cowboys at point blank range, the

556
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,559
cowboy reportedly said I got you now, Doc, you son

557
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:09,119
of a bitch, which Doc gleefully retorted, here a daisy

558
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,920
if you do so, cool man, that's so cool.

559
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,599
Speaker 3: On that subject, listen to what Wyatt Or actually said

560
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,720
about Doc Holliday. Okay, I love this, it says. Some

561
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:23,680
years after the death of Doc Holliday, Wyatt was quoted

562
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,039
in an interview saying, quote, Doc was a dentist, not

563
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,440
a lawman or an assassin, whom necessity had made, a gambler.

564
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,559
Speaker 1: A gentleman whom disease.

565
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: Had made, a frontier vagabond, a philosopher whom life had made,

566
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,519
a caustic wit, a long, lean, ash blonde fellow nearly

567
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,599
dead with consumption, and at the same time was the

568
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,599
most skillful gambler and the nervoust speediest, deadliest man with

569
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,400
a six gun that I ever knew. Nice, incredible.

570
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Did you know that?

571
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: There's some talk about whether or not Doc Holliday actually

572
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,759
did end Johnny ringdow say that again, so Johnny Ringo.

573
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,599
It's been reported the Doc Holliday killed Johnny Ringo. He

574
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,039
kills him in the movie right over the temple, and

575
00:29:09,079 --> 00:29:13,920
that's kind of generally accepted as what happened. However, there

576
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,440
was a bullet hole in the right temple and an

577
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,200
exit wound in the back of Johnny Ringo's head. Okay,

578
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,160
his revolver had one round expended and he was found

579
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:26,920
with his gun in his hand finger on the trigger,

580
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,759
and his boots were tied to his saddle. Okay, Okay,

581
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,640
so some people reported it as a suicide. Okay, My

582
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,519
question is when you commit suicide, how many people put

583
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:42,599
the gun to their temple?

584
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

585
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: So they tied your boots to your saddles, so the

586
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,079
scorpions and snakes can't get in your boots?

587
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: Right, Are you're gonna commit suicide?

588
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 6: Why bother?

589
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 5: Right?

590
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't buy it. I don't even I think

591
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,799
Doc Holliday killed him. I think so do Okay, So

592
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,559
we know Curly Bill in the movie shoots Fred White, right, ye, Marshall, Yes,

593
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:09,319
Apparently that's actually historically accurate as well. Apparently White Irp

594
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,079
had heard the scuffle going on between the two men.

595
00:30:12,359 --> 00:30:15,319
He rushes out there to try to help out, and

596
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,039
he's whenever white Erp is padding down Curly Bill, Fred

597
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,559
White tries to take the gun out of Curly Bill's hand.

598
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,039
The gun goes off and kills Fred White. So that's

599
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,200
it was a little bit different than how it was portrayed,

600
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,759
but it's still kind of this accident like Curly Bill's

601
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,359
you know, he's like get up, you know, come on, Fred,

602
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,079
Like it was an accident, and so that was true,

603
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:39,119
Like they didn't know if it was really a murder

604
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:43,200
or it was just an accidental shooting, you know, as

605
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,240
he's trying to grab the gun out right. And so

606
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,960
that's why Curly Bill in real life didn't go to

607
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,839
prison for this. It was deemed not enough to convict

608
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,400
him of murder.

609
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:54,359
Speaker 3: I also know the true story, like Virgil got shot

610
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,839
in the arm and like destroyed his arm, he had

611
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:58,079
nerve damaged.

612
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: Morgan got shot in the back. Had Morgan's actually went

613
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:05,160
through his right shoulder and out his left shoulder, like

614
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,680
it went through his whoa, Like it was worse than

615
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,920
they portrayed it in the movie. Wow, Yeah, that's incredible.

616
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:15,400
You know why er never ever got hit by a

617
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,079
bullet that is insane, Like never, like he at the

618
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,680
shootout at the River where Curly Bill gets killed. Yeah,

619
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,640
and they're like, that's true, that really happened, and it's

620
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,240
this crazy. You know, he's out there in the middle

621
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,559
of the fight. Yeah. I don't know if it was

622
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,480
that crazy, but it was still pretty crazy. And they

623
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,720
said afterwards his coat was full of bullet holes, but

624
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,319
none of them had actually touched on unbelievable. Unbelievable. You're saying, God,

625
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:46,440
reach down from heaven and stop those bullets from it.

626
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: That's fascinating, a miracle. All right, let's talk about the

627
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,880
line I'm your huckleberry.

628
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: Okay, whoa, I didn't think you had it in you.

629
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: I'm your huckleberry.

630
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: Why, Johnny Ringo?

631
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,799
Speaker 5: It looked like somebody had just walked over your grave.

632
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,119
Speaker 3: Great line. Yeah, it's punctuated so well in the movie.

633
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: What does it mean? I didn't know until I started

634
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,759
doing some research. Tell me what you found out.

635
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 3: All right, So here's here's the take. Right that the

636
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:27,000
handles on a coffin are called huckles. Okay, So essentially

637
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:31,720
it was I'm your huckle bearer, right, Okay, So a

638
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:36,839
hucklebearer is somebody who is your pall bearer. So essentially

639
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,359
saying I'm going to carry your body at your funeral.

640
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:43,119
Speaker 1: Interesting, But what's an actual huckleberry? Isn't that like a

641
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:49,400
little like spur, like a little cart dog from the seventies.

642
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,400
I don't know.

643
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: All I know is that is supposedly where that came from.

644
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm your huckle bearer. So there you go. Okay, guys,

645
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,079
we're going to take a brief intermission and go to

646
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,279
our surely showcase. Yeah, that's right.

647
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:04,759
Speaker 3: This week we've got Jeff Mazuka from the thirty something

648
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,599
Movie Podcast, just a good friend of ours, along with John,

649
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,000
Patton Bow and Dennis. Those guys over there are great.

650
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,599
Speaker 1: He's a better friend of mine than you. Yeah, he

651
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,519
likes me better. Well, I swear I when I don't

652
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:20,279
give it away, don't give it away? All right?

653
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,839
Speaker 7: Right, Hey guys, it's Jeff Mazuka, co host of the

654
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,240
thirty something Movie Podcast. I'm calling in with my final

655
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,240
judgment on one of your pairings because Jason had reached

656
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,759
out to me, Well, he'd actually reached out to Pat,

657
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,599
but had accidentally sent Pat's message to me, but assured

658
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,160
me that he had meant to reach out to me

659
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,119
as well, so I might actually be responding to a

660
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,000
pity invite.

661
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 6: Regardless. The episode that I'm calling in.

662
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 7: About is Jaws versus Jurassic Park. And where do I

663
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,279
even begin. I've shared with you how the pairing of

664
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:56,160
these movies blew my mind when I first heard you

665
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,480
talk about it, and I can't tell you how many

666
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,759
times the question of Jaws versus Jurassic Park will pop

667
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,279
into my head completely out of the blue.

668
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 6: So on what merit does one make this decision.

669
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 7: I love both of these movies equally and really dig

670
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,719
the similarities between them, despite being almost twenty years apart.

671
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,480
The mere fact that Spielberg had the forethought to do

672
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:20,840
as much as he did with so very little when

673
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,599
making Jaws so early in his career is quite remarkable.

674
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,559
The minimal approach to the movie monster goes a long

675
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,159
way in selling the threat to moviegoing audiences, and John

676
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,440
Williams's music also works on a minimal level.

677
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 6: I believe it was d.

678
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,559
Speaker 7: Who had pointed out in your episodes that it was

679
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,960
essentially two notes that drove the whole musical narrative forward,

680
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,199
and the manipulation of those two notes and the tempos

681
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,559
and the pitch and tone that helps perceive the threat

682
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:48,480
as being.

683
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 6: More real or less of a threat.

684
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 7: I could go on and on about Jaws, because I

685
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,239
love that movie, But then there's Jurassic Park Again.

686
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,119
Speaker 6: You get Spielberg taking a stab.

687
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 7: At making a monster movie, but you get the sense

688
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,599
that he had learned so much from his time making

689
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:04,639
Jaws and he was not going to make the same

690
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:09,159
mistakes he took a chance on utilizing CGI to showcase

691
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:12,320
his dinosaurs, which was a huge risk, and with a

692
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,599
great risk comes a great reward because his dinosaurs are magnificent.

693
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:19,679
But he still knew when to do more with less,

694
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,199
like the tremor vibrations in the puddle to help indicate

695
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,559
the threat of the t rex.

696
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 6: He's showing us that he's a much.

697
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 7: More disciplined director at this point in his career, and

698
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,039
John Williams score seems more full and rich and dynamic,

699
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:36,440
also showcasing a more matured artist. With the themes that

700
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:41,840
both fly and terrify, thrill and chill, Drastic Park landed

701
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,639
at a pivotal time for me in terms of grasping

702
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:45,599
my intrigue.

703
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,519
Speaker 6: One of those.

704
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,679
Speaker 7: Formative type movies for anyone who considers himself a movie

705
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,800
ban It was the same sense of awe and wonder

706
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,000
I had after I first saw Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

707
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,840
It's a film that just lands at the right time

708
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,880
to pique enough interest and again create such a sense

709
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,360
of awe and wonder. Plus I had just finished reading

710
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,519
the novel in a joint educational effort between my freshman

711
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:11,639
year English and biology classes, so.

712
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 6: I was all in on this movie.

713
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 7: But would there even be a movie of Jurassic Park

714
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,239
without there having been Jaws? And if there was, would

715
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,840
Spielberg still have directed it, And if so, would he

716
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,000
have been able to deliver on the same level as

717
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:29,800
what he gave us? Or was Jaws a necessary part

718
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,159
of the Jurassic Park equation?

719
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 6: So does that earn it.

720
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 7: The title of better movie because of its foundational principles?

721
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,119
When I look around at the movie posters on display

722
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:41,360
and my man cave, there was only one of the

723
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,360
two on display. Because this movie came out at just

724
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,440
the right time for me, and because I had such

725
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,480
a strong connection to it, and because it had done

726
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:51,880
just a little bit more to help shape my interest

727
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,719
in movies, I'm going to act a side with Jason

728
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,719
and say that Jurassic Park narrowly beats out.

729
00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:59,519
Speaker 6: Jaws as being the better movie for me.

730
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 7: Thank you, guys for giving me such a great question

731
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,000
to ponder and forgiving me the opportunity to share my thoughts.

732
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,519
Speaker 6: Keep up the great work.

733
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,519
Speaker 1: Uh, Jeff, what?

734
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:10,079
Speaker 7: No?

735
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,679
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't blame you. I don't blame you because

736
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:16,119
it was an influential time. Siding with Jason, I can't

737
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,760
believe he doesn't have a Jaws poster. How do you

738
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,199
not have a Jaws poster? And your man game? I know, right,

739
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,000
you need to get on that.

740
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,159
Speaker 3: I'm giving us a pat on the back too, because

741
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:25,079
that's a great matchup.

742
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,159
Speaker 1: Heck ya it is if you miss those.

743
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 3: That's a three parter back in the summer of twenty twenty.

744
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: And every second is goal.

745
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,639
Speaker 3: That was back in the middle of COVID when we

746
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,159
had nothing better to do than just talk about Jaws

747
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:41,639
addressing part Yeah, And for the record, Jeff, I swear

748
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,280
I did text Pat right before you, and I copied

749
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,519
and pasted, but I didn't change the wording from Pat

750
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:49,880
to Jeff.

751
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: I swear it's not a pition. But thanks Jeff, appreciate you. You

752
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:55,800
guys over there at thirty something. Keep up the great work.

753
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,719
You guys are awesome. All right, Now back to the show.

754
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,039
Let's talk about that Tom Mixed web we talked about.

755
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:02,800
He said that at the very end of the movie.

756
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,840
That's the last line of the movie, and Tom Mix

757
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,000
wept and you said, who the heck is Tom X?

758
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,159
To me? Right? So Tom Mix was one of the

759
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,519
very first movie Cowboys and one of the most famous

760
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:20,360
movie Cowboys and the Old Knock. When you the knock

761
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:25,400
that everybody does you know? Shave and hair cut two bits.

762
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:29,239
The second line of that song is who knows the

763
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,159
barber Tom mix That's where the song came from. Wow,

764
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,480
that's how famous he is. So it's a big deal

765
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:39,639
that he wept at Wiater funeral and was a huckle

766
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,199
bearer for him.

767
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: That is that's that's a great story. Somewhere Roger Rabbit

768
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,320
is going crazy.

769
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: Waiting for that, waiting for that.

770
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: You know who almost directed Tombstone? This was in an

771
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,559
interview in the late nineties. John Carpenter almost directed Tombstone.

772
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,159
I can't figure that out, John Carpenter and Kurt Russell.

773
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: Were you mean, like maybe they were gonna call John

774
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,039
Carpenter instead of George Costomos, Costamos whatever. Think about it.

775
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:11,159
Speaker 3: When Kurt Russell looks around and there's nobody directing except

776
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,719
for him, Yeah, I guess, Hey, I know a guy

777
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,440
does a good job. John Clark, Escape from New York

778
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:16,920
the thing.

779
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that would have been an interesting take.

780
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: All right, let's I got a couple of stories for

781
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,800
you on young guns. So let's flip back over to

782
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,199
Young Guns.

783
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, sounds good.

784
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 4: All right.

785
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,199
Speaker 3: So Christopher Kane, the director of Leon Guns. Yeah, he

786
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,760
is Dean Kin's father. Yeah, of Loews and Clark, Right,

787
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,719
Dean Kane. Yeah, so Dean Kane was a football player.

788
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,400
He was at Princeton. I think he had been in

789
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,119
a few movies while he was in high school on college. Anyway,

790
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:49,840
he came to visit the set. Uh huh, and he

791
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,599
brought his girlfriend, Brook Shields. What Brooke Shields?

792
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: So wait, wait, wait, wait.

793
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 3: Dean Kine and Brooke Shields went to princetone at the

794
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,119
same time.

795
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: They're the same age, I guess, So I guess she

796
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,840
was pretty young whenever she was super young.

797
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,519
Speaker 3: And so they show up. It's funny because even if

798
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:11,039
you're a member of the brat pack, which lou Diamond

799
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:13,440
Phillips said being in this movie automatically made me a

800
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,159
member of the brat pack, you can still be starstruck.

801
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,679
So when Brookshields show up, apparently all the guys were like, what's.

802
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:27,039
Speaker 1: Up, was like, hey man, that's right.

803
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,199
Speaker 3: Okay, just a couple of things. There was a scene

804
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,800
cut where Charlie goes to a whorehouse. Right, okay, you

805
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,519
actually see him visit a prostitute and she they're making

806
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,760
their transaction or whatever, and he says, ma'am, I just.

807
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,159
Speaker 1: Want to hold you. Okay, I remember that.

808
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,639
Speaker 3: Okay, there's a scene that with another additional scene that

809
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,800
was cut that sort of further explained that that's Charlie's mother.

810
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad they cut that scene.

811
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,039
Speaker 3: Well in case of Schimsko was like, I wish they

812
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,239
had to let that in. That was kind of didn't

813
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,920
really fully exp playing what was happening.

814
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:04,679
Speaker 1: Uh huh, No, thank you. I'm happy that they just

815
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,360
moved on quickly. Yeah, okay.

816
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,039
Speaker 3: Now then I listened to the commentary. All Right, if

817
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,280
you grew up in the nineties, you know the song

818
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,400
Regulate by Warren g Yeah, play it right here.

819
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 5: Regulators, you regulate any stealing of his property.

820
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,119
Speaker 1: We're damn good too.

821
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 6: But you can't be.

822
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: Any geek off the street.

823
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 6: You gotta be handy with the steel, if you know what.

824
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: I mean, or you keep regular. No, it was a

825
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,199
clear black knight, a clear white man woman.

826
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,679
Speaker 3: He was on the streets trying to consume some searchful thing.

827
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,239
You have that whole monologue at the beginning that's directly

828
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,719
lifted from Young Guns, and it's Casey Chimesko and Charlie

829
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,960
beowdre is saying, you gotta be handy with the steel.

830
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,760
It can't be any geek off the street, right, that

831
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,400
whole thing. So in the commentary, they're like, hey, Casey,

832
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,760
how much you get paid for that song?

833
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 8: Man?

834
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,199
Speaker 1: That song was everywhere? And he's like, what you talk

835
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,519
about it? What's like that song? That rab sign?

836
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:07,519
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know what you guys, And I

837
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:12,480
believed him that he legitimately did not know anything about

838
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:12,920
that song.

839
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:17,559
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's that's hilarious. How about that breaking

840
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:21,960
my set? I can't believe they they took my rings,

841
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:22,920
they took my rope.

842
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: I look set.

843
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: Damn one another thing.

844
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: They talked about how cold it was the day that

845
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,880
they shot John Tunstall's murder, right, so so called is

846
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,639
like the coldest day on the set, and of course

847
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:38,079
they're out in the middle of New Mexico in the

848
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:42,159
winter time. That said that the stuntman who his job

849
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,039
was to stand up, get shot, fall off the stage right,

850
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,119
or fall off the cart or whatever. Okay, so when

851
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,320
he hit the ground it was like hitting concrete.

852
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,559
Speaker 1: Had to go to the hospital. Oh no.

853
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: And the last story I have for you the soundtrack

854
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,639
for Young Guns two. Okay, I tried to entice you,

855
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:03,679
going track by track.

856
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,119
Speaker 1: You did, but I couldn't know.

857
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 5: You couldn't.

858
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: This album meant so much to me the summer night.

859
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,800
I'm sorry to dance on your engrave, your carede. That's okay,

860
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,559
that's terrible.

861
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,159
Speaker 3: So everybody hit us up on Facebook told me that

862
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,559
he should listen to the Young Gun's too centric.

863
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: But here's the deal. Does this mean we can't be friends?

864
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,440
If I thought we couldn't be friends, I couldn't, all right.

865
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,480
So Amelia Estevez is good buddies with John bon Jovi, Okay,

866
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:30,199
all right, yeah?

867
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,639
Speaker 3: And I think it's because Richie Sambora at the time

868
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,360
had been dating Ali Shei.

869
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,119
Speaker 1: So you got too complicated. It's got you got.

870
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got breakfast clubs linked to bon Jovi, and

871
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,039
that's how it works, right, right. So Joan bon Jovi

872
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,320
visited the set and he was hanging around and Emelio said,

873
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,559
I want you to provide a song for the movie.

874
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,119
Speaker 1: He goes, I want you to let us choose wanted

875
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:53,679
dead or alive?

876
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: Right, And John's like, well, okay, but those lyrics don't

877
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,280
really fit the story.

878
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: Of the movie. True. He's like, so let me we

879
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:02,559
just write something.

880
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:05,599
Speaker 3: So they all go out for cheeseburgers one day, right,

881
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,480
So they're all sitting around a table and Keeper Solan

882
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:11,280
said that John actually just started to get quiet and

883
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,639
he started to write on a napkin and they're all

884
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:17,000
just munching, just hanging out and munching.

885
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,639
Speaker 1: Drinking beers and just hanging out.

886
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And he said, after about ten minutes, John laid

887
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,559
the napkins in front of Amelia and said, here's the song,

888
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,519
and it's gonna be a hit. That song, Blaze of

889
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:39,360
Glory's got to number three.

890
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

891
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 3: Amelio still has those cocktail napkins framed.

892
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,679
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, that's awesome. I wish I could

893
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:48,079
get a picture of those. Yeah, so good. Yeah, that's awesome.

894
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:52,039
The soundtracks score wise on these are not automated. I

895
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,079
liked the soundtrack on Young Guns two better than the

896
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:58,360
one on Young Guns one, although the one on Young

897
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,199
Guns one did a nice job of being kind of

898
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,400
edgy and more eighties sounding. But they brought Allan Sevestri

899
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:09,400
in to do the soundtrack for part two we don't remember.

900
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:12,639
We remember Alan Savestri from Back to the Future of course,

901
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,960
Romancing the Stone, and then of course he went on

902
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,880
to do you know, the Marvel movies, which is not

903
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,679
an insignificant thing at all. For Tombstone, our composer was

904
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,920
a guy named Bruce Brought. He had done mostly TV

905
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:29,960
series and the one that, like the last TV series

906
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,280
that he did, that he composed for before he hit

907
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,559
the big movie scene. Everybody knows his song.

908
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:46,679
Speaker 4: It's the theme from Dallas Whoa.

909
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:51,159
Speaker 1: And so right after that he composed the theme for

910
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,960
He composed the score for Silverado Kevin Costner, all that

911
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,679
good stuff, right, and so then that, you know, that

912
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,400
leads him down a path with more movies, most of

913
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,719
which you probably don't know. He did The Monster Squad though,

914
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:09,400
that's one. He also did Lost in Space, which came

915
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,440
out in ninety eight. But this one I thought he

916
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:15,800
did a fantastic job of putting music that led the

917
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,760
story without being overwhelming.

918
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: All right, So the composer for Young Guns one is

919
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,199
this guy named Anthony Marinelli. Okay, Now the interesting thing

920
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,920
about Anthony Marinelli he worked.

921
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,559
Speaker 1: For Quincy Jones.

922
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:35,039
Speaker 3: Okay, Marinelli and his former partner Brian Banks are credited

923
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:40,719
with performance and synthesizer programming on Thriller.

924
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

925
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 3: The same guy, Yes, the same guy who wrote the

926
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,199
score for Young Guns performed on Thriller.

927
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

928
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,119
Speaker 1: He also was involved with the soundtrack for War Games

929
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:04,880
and Over the Top just to throw a couple, and

930
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:09,679
Demolition Man if you have to sit through that, John

931
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,239
Reed loves Demolition Man. He didn't even know what the

932
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:12,840
shelves are for.

933
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,159
Speaker 3: Okay, So before we get to final judgment, Yes, there's

934
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:19,000
one piece of the pie that I want to talk

935
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:20,159
about from Young Guns Too.

936
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,599
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and I.

937
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:24,039
Speaker 3: Think we talked about it briefly, but Young Guns Too

938
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,039
takes the legend of Brushy Bill Roberts.

939
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,599
Speaker 1: Oh yes, right, oh yeah, this is huge. Yeah, we

940
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:31,400
got to talk about this.

941
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

942
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,519
Speaker 3: So there's a guy who said I am Billy the Kid.

943
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,679
Speaker 1: I mean, the movie begins with Brushy Bill in the

944
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,519
desert saying I want my pardon from Governor Wallace, like

945
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:48,400
I was promised before I die. Yes, yes, true, that

946
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:52,679
is true. This is literally this guy existed and claimed

947
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,320
to be Billy the Kid.

948
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: Like.

949
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: They had court cases about it.

950
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:59,679
Speaker 3: I know, right, They wanted to exhum Billy the Kid's

951
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,119
mother to take her DNA to compare it with Brushy Bill.

952
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,199
Speaker 1: Because they couldn't take Billy the Kid because his grave

953
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,480
had gotten washed away in a flood and they didn't

954
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:08,920
know where he was.

955
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 3: We don't know where his body is, right, It's incredible that,

956
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:15,880
like researchers have, they've done facial recognition, they didn't.

957
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:18,199
Speaker 1: Unsolved mysteries on this guy. I mean, this is not

958
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,400
this is a real deal. But they did the ninety

959
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,719
three percent match. That's pretty solid. That seems like a

960
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,679
big deal with me. I mean because you just got

961
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,360
to think about it. Not only did this guy claim

962
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,199
to be Billy the Kid, yes, which I mean, let's

963
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:35,039
just think about it. Just to make that claim, you

964
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,400
got to be if you were crazy, right, you go,

965
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:39,880
you're gonna be like, okay, but you don't look anything

966
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,159
like him, right, No, this guy looks like him ninety

967
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:49,320
three percent, And apparently he knew stories that only Billy

968
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:52,719
or somebody who had ridden closely with Billy would have known.

969
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,079
Listen to this. Yeah.

970
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: Former Jesse Evans gang member Jim McMichaels, along with Severo

971
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:04,000
Diego's Martil Abo and Jose Montoya, all of whom had

972
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:08,679
known Billy the Kid, signed affidavits verifying their belief that

973
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,679
Brushy Bill Roberts was, in fact Billy the Kid.

974
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:19,199
Speaker 1: Pat Garrett had quickly buried the body after the death. Yep, quickly, yes,

975
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,639
And somebody that was there with him was like, Nope,

976
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:24,639
that wasn't Billy the Kid. That was some other guy

977
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:25,880
that he buried. Right.

978
00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 3: So the witnesses, right were Poe Yep the guy that

979
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,079
Vigo Mortensen. He had never seen Billy the Kid to

980
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:36,679
recognize him, right, Yeah, Pad Garrett, of course he had Billy.

981
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: The Kid in the room and it was dark. Yeah.

982
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 3: One of the people there said, that's not kidd.

983
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: Right, Okay. Are we about to go to final judgment? Yes? Okay,

984
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,079
So there's one more thing that we've overlooked and I

985
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,000
cannot bear to overlook it.

986
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 6: Okay.

987
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: We didn't bring him up in casting, we didn't bring

988
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,159
him up in lines. But other than wider up and

989
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:59,519
doc Holiday, he probably has the most memorable lines in

990
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:03,840
the home movie Mister Billy Bob Thornton as Johnny Tyler,

991
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:12,719
Johnny Tyler man cap Nice. So all of those lines,

992
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:17,480
this is Billy Bob's breakout performance. Right, Like he went

993
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:21,159
on to become a megastar after this movie, like sling

994
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,559
Blade made him something special. We had simple planned. I mean,

995
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:27,360
he did a lot of great stuff, but this was

996
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,480
really the first movie that you saw him and he

997
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:31,280
was a tub and it rises it out of a

998
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,199
tub like you. So he's got all these lines that

999
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,440
he's spitting out. I can't tell you how many times

1000
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,760
I've said, it's like I'm playing cards with my brother's

1001
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,400
kids or something. Right, So none of those lines were scripted.

1002
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,320
All they said to Billy Bob Thornton was go be

1003
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,199
a bully, pressed all money.

1004
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:51,159
Speaker 2: It's like I'm sitting here playing cards with my brother's

1005
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:51,920
kids or something.

1006
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:58,639
Speaker 1: And he threw all of those gold nugget genius quotable

1007
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:02,000
lines out on his own. That's awesome. You back that

1008
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:06,320
queen one more time. I'm going to plow you up. Sorry,

1009
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,719
I can't say the rest of that line Wildcats as Sorry?

1010
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,800
Is that affect this? In fact? That is a fact?

1011
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:15,920
All right?

1012
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,119
Speaker 3: Are we ready for final judgment between these three awesome movies?

1013
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,639
Speaker 1: Yeah? This is really hard. This is really hard. But

1014
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:34,119
play your final judgment music here, it comes. Okay, you're

1015
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:34,559
good person.

1016
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 3: All right, all right, I really think I'm gonna be

1017
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,320
in the minority.

1018
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, here is my final judgment.

1019
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: Before I give that to you, let me just throw

1020
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:46,639
this out.

1021
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:47,159
Speaker 5: Okay.

1022
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: I was born in nineteen seventy three, which meant I

1023
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,639
was about fifteen sixteen, fifteen.

1024
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,519
Speaker 1: When Young Guns one came out.

1025
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:57,519
Speaker 3: I was seventeen when The Guns two came out. I

1026
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,199
was a young gun.

1027
00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: Okay.

1028
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 3: So when I saw those two movies first, they blew

1029
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,880
me away. You know, the idea of MTV cowboys really

1030
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,920
appealed to me. These guys are a little bit older

1031
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,280
than me, not a lot older than me, but they're

1032
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:16,039
gun slingers, they're law men, they're wild, they're rebels, they're

1033
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:18,719
having fun. They're shooting up the old West.

1034
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:20,159
Speaker 1: Who wouldn't want to do that?

1035
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 5: Right?

1036
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,119
Speaker 3: And then you take Tombstone, which I saw in college,

1037
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:25,519
which I loved, and it's totally horrible.

1038
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:26,599
Speaker 1: Okay.

1039
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,559
Speaker 3: I loved all the white stuff, but that's those guys

1040
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:33,800
were older men right now, had tons of fun. Doc

1041
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,400
Holliday is awesome, Kurt Russell is kicking bit as well.

1042
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:38,079
Speaker 1: White Herb.

1043
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 3: But the love story is like an anchor around the

1044
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,400
neck of someone trying to swim. It just totally fell

1045
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,480
flat for me. Okay, so I am going to rank

1046
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:53,519
Young Guns one as number one, right behind it Young

1047
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:58,079
Guns two at number two, and then in last place,

1048
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,119
but just by millimeters is Tombstone. Oh my word, They're

1049
00:53:03,159 --> 00:53:05,960
all interchangeable. I can throw any in at any time.

1050
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,079
I watched the whole thing.

1051
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no, no, all right, what

1052
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,119
do you got what do you got to I got

1053
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:16,519
a loss of respect for you, my friend. Okay, So

1054
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,079
I watched Young Guns one and Young Guns two with

1055
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,599
my boy, Yes, right, Caleb. I wanted to watch Tombstone

1056
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:25,639
with him, but basically I couldn't get it in and

1057
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,840
the time that we had he actually got in a

1058
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,760
fight at school split it from school. I'm a little

1059
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,519
worried it was had something to do with the movies

1060
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:37,800
we watched anyway, and he say, I'm your hunk, right,

1061
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:40,920
I know that's the way it went. Yes, So, going

1062
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,800
into this like my preconceived notion, I was like, Okay,

1063
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,119
I know, I'm picking Tombstone as the winner. But then

1064
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:48,599
I started thinking about it. I was like, man, I

1065
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:51,239
really did like Young Guns too. It was really really good.

1066
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,880
And it was better than Young Guns one, and so

1067
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,719
I got it. It may be it may push out Tombstone.

1068
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,800
Tombstone may go to number two. Young Guns Too may

1069
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,159
go to number one. Okay, once I watched the movies,

1070
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:06,199
I completely threw all of that out, completely threw it out.

1071
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:09,760
So I remembered Young Guns one as being kind of

1072
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,079
it seemed like it was grainy and old fashion, and

1073
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,639
it was which didn't appeal to me when I was

1074
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,360
in my teenage years. But now looking back at it,

1075
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,039
it's a better made movie. It's a better made movie

1076
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:25,800
than Young Guns two. And my eleven year old agreed

1077
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,840
with me when we got when we're three quarters into

1078
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:32,960
Young Guns two, he's like, dad's a great movie, but

1079
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,920
it's not as good as Young Guns one. I was like, wow,

1080
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,320
boy wow. And he was really upset that they killed Dick.

1081
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,239
I was. I was talking to my wife in the

1082
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,440
car We're taking him to practice, and I'm talking about

1083
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,519
Young Guns one, and he's like, I can't believe they

1084
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:54,320
killed Dick. She's like, well, I haven't seen it, so

1085
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,239
thanks for giving that up. So I flipped on those.

1086
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:02,159
I don't think Young Guns Too better. It's good. It's

1087
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,440
a great movie, but it's not better than one. One

1088
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,280
is better. But when we come in for the number

1089
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,000
one spot, I have to say Tombstone. Yes, the love

1090
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:13,800
story is terrible, and yes, you could cut it out

1091
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,360
and you would have a perfect movie. It is imperfect

1092
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:22,559
because of the love story. Yes, but when you're comparing

1093
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:28,320
the good parts of Tombstone versus anything in Young Guns

1094
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:33,280
one or two, Tombstone wins the day hands down. Young

1095
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,559
Guns one comes in second place, Young Guns two and third.

1096
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,079
That's my final judgment on it.

1097
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, all right, everybody out there, we want to

1098
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,559
hear from you. Let us know these are three great movies.

1099
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: How do we do? Yeah, and you've stuck with this

1100
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,000
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1101
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1102
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1103
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1104
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1105
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, hie, you're right ex treatment.

1106
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,199
Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much. We'll see you next week.