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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. My name is Dee Graves, and I

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am here with my friend Jason, who is rich and

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handsome and has a rapist wit.

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Speaker 2: You ready to do this, mister French Tickler.

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Speaker 1: Loves again.

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Speaker 2: We are here today to compare two great movies from

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the nineties, Dumb and Dummer and Something About Mary.

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Speaker 1: Two arguably funniest movies of the decade.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I laughed belly laugh every time I watch these.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The first act of both of these things is

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so freaking brilliant that I'm in tears before we get

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twenty minutes into the movie on both of them.

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Speaker 2: When I was in college, Dumb and Dummer came out

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and I saw it, and I immediately went home got

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my roommate. I'm like, we're going to see this, all right.

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I took him that same day. I saw it twice

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in the same day. Yes, and then I proceeded to

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drag other people. My dad, my mom, my, sister.

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Speaker 1: Yea, we all went and saw it.

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Speaker 2: So my college roommates Cameron Ackert, Todd Wadman, Scott Foster,

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Doug Huggen. I know, I dragged them to the theater

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here in Norman multiple times to see this.

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Speaker 1: When something about Mary came out, I was living in Tulsa,

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dropped out of college at the time, Nice and I

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went back to see it again almost immediately after having

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seen it for two reasons. The first reason is absolutely hysterical.

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The second reason is I wanted to see the audience's

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reaction at the zipper scene, and so at that point

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I brought my girlfriend with me, and at that point

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I'm like, hey, I'm gonna run into the bathroom because

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I didn't want her to know what I was doing.

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And I walked down to the corner where I could

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see everyone's face, and when the zipper scene happened, when

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they when you see the when you see the beans

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in the Franks.

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Speaker 2: Had to get the beans over.

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Speaker 1: The free did see that, and the expression on everyone's

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face of instantaneous shock and then hysterical laughter is something

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that has burned into my memory forever as a priceless,

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priceless moment.

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Speaker 2: It was so friggin funny. These movies are awesome, and

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whatever we talk about today is not going to be

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nearly as funny as the movie.

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Speaker 1: So we can't compare with The Fairly Brothers, but we

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can't tell you the story, right.

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Speaker 2: We are going to take a deep dive into both

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of these movies. If you have not seen these movies,

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do yourself a favor. Go immediately pauseitive podcast, go watch these.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the movies that we watch or that we're talking

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about are over twenty years old, so you should probably

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you know, have known that you got to see it

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right now.

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. We are a family friendly ish

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podcast where we would can classify ourselves more as like

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a PG thirteen type of thing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to be.

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Speaker 2: Talking about a few things today that might push over

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the edge.

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Speaker 1: Use some discretion for your younger listeners with you. We

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will not have profanity on this, but there may be

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some indelicate topics because of these movies are full of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how can we not and talk about these

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movies legit?

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Speaker 1: Yes, your warnings have been given, and then so we

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may proceed now, all right?

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Speaker 2: So dumbin Dummer was released December sixteenth, nineteen ninety four,

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with two weeks left to go in the year. It

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still was the eighteenth highest grossing film of nineteen ninety four.

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Fantastic it's really what I mean, it blew out of

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the gates. Yeah, number eighteen and ninety four and number

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twenty four overall in ninety five, so it made a

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ton of money. Its budget was seventeen million, and it

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made two hundred and forty seven point three million dollars.

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Speaker 1: And just to keep things in perspective, nineteen ninety four

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and nineteen ninety five are arguably two of the best

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years in movie history. So in ninety four you've got

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natural Born Killers, you've got clear in Present Danger, you've

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got the usual suspects, you've got pulp fiction, you've.

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Speaker 2: Got Forrest Gump, you've got Shawshank prediction.

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Speaker 1: And ninety five you had Casino, you had Clueless, you

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had Tommy Buy. Another incredible year for movies, and this one,

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oh it's seven your favorite and Desperado one of my favorites. Wow.

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So anyway, fantastic, hilarious. How do we get there? Let's

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start with the Fairly brother Okay, so the Fairly Brothers

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are self described near dwells. Their dad was a doctor,

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their mom was a nurse practitioner. They had three sisters

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who all did excellent in school, and basically they barely

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made it through. I think Bobby fairly went to like

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four different high schools. He ended up playing some hockey

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of geology. Peter studied accounting. They're both so bad at

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those particular areas that they became salesmen after college. And

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so at about twenty four years old, they're like, you

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know what, we don't have anything to lose. We kind

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of want to be writers. Let's go out to California.

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become writers. And so they would tell people, yeah, we

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moved to California and we're writers now. And people would say, well,

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if you've written anything that I would have seen, and

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they said no. What they essentially were were script doctors.

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these guys came in and made them funny, okay. And

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Universe who works at Universal, and they said that the

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idea for Dumb and Dumber was his idea. Now here's

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the idea for Dumb and Dumber. Two guys who were

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screw ups travel across the country.

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Speaker 2: Don Meloa.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying I've heard this or seen this

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anywhere else, but if the two guys in front of

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me are self described underachievers and they've moved from Rhode

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Island to California, I would say maybe they didn't realize

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they might have been the inspiration for their own movie.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, Lloyd and Harry maybe should have been

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called Peter and Bobbie.

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Speaker 1: Right. So they go and they write the first scene

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of a script and they bring it to this producer.

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He's like, this is magical. I love it. You know,

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we we definitely need to make the movie. Go ahead

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and write the rest of the script. They go back,

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they write the rest of the script, they give it

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to him. He thinks it's wonderful. He says, I'll get

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back with you right after the weekend. Monday comes, They

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don't hear anything. Tuesday, Wednesday, don't hear anything. Finally they

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call and they find out he no longer works at

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the Universal. Of course, yeah, it's a story that we've

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heard before. I really yeah, right, And so he has

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moved to Fox, and so they're waiting on him at

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Fox to give them, you know, an idea of what's

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going to happen? And after nineteen months of not hearing anything,

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they write him a letter and say, hey, you know,

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if you loved this script, what's going to happen with it?

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And he says, I'm not doing anything that I was

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associated with whenever I was at Universal, So here's your

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script back, and they didn't know what to do. Yeah.

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Somewhere in the process they come across John Hughes and

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they're like, hey, we're looking for a director on this thing.

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it and they're like, we haven't even written anything famous yet,

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how are we going to direct that. He's like, you

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have the movie in your head. You've already got the

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story in your head. Just make that the movie. That's

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all you have to do as a director.

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Speaker 2: Now, wait a minute, this is John Hughes, like Ferris

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Speaker 1: No, it's the other John Hughes, John John Bartholome, Yes, No,

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the John Hughes. Yes wow. And so they eventually get

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some producers to come along board who think that the

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script is hilarious. There's a bit of resistance to having

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them direct but at this point they've decided this is

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Speaker 2: Initially, the first script was called Dust to Dust, and

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that was about two idiots moving across the country and

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working at a funeral parlor. It was actually bought by

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Eddie Murphy's production company Huh, But ultimately it didn't happen,

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so it sat there dust to Dust, never gotten made.

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Speaker 2: They called it their best script they've ever written. Okay,

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but it was never made right. So they go back

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to the drawing board and the fairlies and this other

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Speaker 1: The name of their writing partner. Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Came up with another story. This is about two dim

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witted guys, Harry and Lloyd, who set off for Aspen

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to return the lost briefcase. Right with the whole plot

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of the movie. They called it Go West, but then

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they thought, no, what we really need to do is

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called Dumb and Dumber. But that title nobody liked it.

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in a movie called Dumb and dumber. It kept getting rejected, rejected, rejected,

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so they changed the title to A power tool is

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not a toy. Basically, they changed the title and sent

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it back to the same studios, same script, but instead

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of people not reading it, they then thought, okay, well

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that's interesting title, so they were read it. Yeah, okay.

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So when the Fairly Brothers finally found a movie studio

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that agreed to do this, they said, all right, here's

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the deal, we'll make it. So the script passed through

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to make it, but the CEO of the company hated it.

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a list and he said, I will make this movie.

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this list. So they sent it out rejected by all

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twenty five, every single one, every single one. But you're

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talking about big names like Steve Martin and Martin Short

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the time that he had the script and looking at it,

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white guy. I loved it. I watched it in Living

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Speaker 2: Yeah I did. And I knew him from Once Bitten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean I certainly wouldn't have known. Yeah,

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that guy's name is Jim Carrett.

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Speaker 2: Now I knew him from Once Bitten. But that movie

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Speaker 1: Humorous, and he was kind of leading.

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Speaker 2: He was, he was the main guy, but he wasn't

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Jim Carrey like on display, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Long time well, and a Spincher is the key here,

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because he was going to be able to do the

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movie for a paycheck of one million dollars if they

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signed him before A SPINU.

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Speaker 2: Was released, a million bucks.

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Speaker 1: Jim Carrey for a million dollars. Yes, As it turned out,

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they didn't get that done, and so I think they

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offered him seven hundred thousand. And then when ace Ventura

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came out, they had to offer him seven million dollars,

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seven million.

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Speaker 2: Dollars, seven million bucks because they waited too long and

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ace Ventura was out like a rocket.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and so the thing was though, with that ace Ventura,

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suddenly they had star power from a guy who was

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willing to do the movie. And that is what allowed

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the studio to go, Okay, we're going to invest enough

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that you can pay him seven million dollars. We'll invest

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sixteen million dollars. A little less than half will go

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's think about this for a second. We talked

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Speaker 1: What the hell are we doing here, Harry.

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Speaker 2: That's nearly half of the budget. It's incredible. Yeah, and

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here's the kicker to go along with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what Jeff Daniels was paid to do?

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Dumondemer Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Jim Carrey was the one who asked for Jeff

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Daniels to be in the movie. They didn't want Jeff

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Daniels to be in the movie. They knew he was

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a good actor, but they thought, you know, this isn't

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the right guy for this comedy about stupid guys, the

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ridiculous stuff that he's going to have to do, and

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so they deliberately low balled him and they offered him

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fifty thousand dollars. Handy Heat instantaneously said yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Know they were trying to drive him away with that

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low ball offer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. His agent said, do not do this movie. It

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Speaker 2: He said, he had three agents on the line. They said, look, dude,

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we're trying to get you an oscar. You can't do

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this to us. Don't do this movie.

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Speaker 1: Still his most profitable movie today.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: So when Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels they got together

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and they were auditioning using the hot tub scene. Huh right,

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so they're naked, they're in the hot tub or not naked,

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but you know, undressed mostly, And Jim Carrey said he

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went over to Jeff Daniels and motor voted him. And

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when Jeff Daniels just went with it. Jim Carrey was like,

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Speaker 1: He's I mean, in any other movie he's the comic guy,

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but in this one, between those two, he's the straight man. Yeah,

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the guy with the poop scene is the straight man.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: It is dumb and dumber.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: By the way, here's that's a good question. Which one's

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dumb and which one's dumber?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Harry Jeff Daniel's character is dumb. Yeah, Lloyd Jim

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. Okay. I watched this movie with Caleb,

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my eleven year old. The movie starts and he asks

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me that question, and I'm like, I tell him the

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same thing that you just said. Yeah, Jim Carrey's the

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dumber one, Lloyd. Lloyd's the dumber one, right, And he's like, no,

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I don't think so. And we watch and we watch,

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and at the point that Lloyd says, yeah, he must

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work out, Caleb turns me. He goes, you're right, he's

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Speaker 2: Roll For me, it's when he's trying to read, he's going, hey, dumb, yeah,

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all right, before we get too far down the road,

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these movies. But let's flip back. Let's talk about there's

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something about Mary.

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Speaker 3: His friends would say, stop one and they've had enough

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of that his.

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Speaker 1: Friends, right, and which, interestingly I mean this. That movie

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came out in nineteen ninety eight. It was the third

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movie Dumb and Dumber, was the first movie we had

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Kingpin in the middle, right. But the story actually starts

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ten years earlier, when these two guys in nineteen eighty

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eight are living in a rent control apartment in California,

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and their names are Ed Decker and John Strauss, and

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they are they're script writers. They're working on a script together,

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and they realize that their neighbor, an aerobics instructor, likes

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to change her clothes when she gets home from work

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with an open windows and blinds.

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Speaker 2: God bless her.

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Speaker 1: That's how they felt as well.

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Speaker 2: They saw the aerobics instructor.

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Speaker 1: They saw every single day, like clockwork, she would come

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in the door. They would go hide behind the couch

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and just peek over the edge and see her change

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her clothes in the open window the way. And at

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some point, as one of their first visages of this

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is they're cowering and peeking and spying. They one of

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them turns the other and says, this is really actually

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pretty disgusting. We're a couple of stalkers here, and the

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other one says, don't think of us as stalkers, think

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of us as detective. And it is that moment that

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was the light bulb moment where they said, imagine if

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some guy hired a private detective to go spy on

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this girl that he had liked, and the private detective

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sees her and falls in love with her.

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Speaker 2: It's a great hook.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so thank you again, aerobics instructor. We appreciate your

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contribution to the movie industry.

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Speaker 2: Giving it up to her.

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Speaker 1: So they write a script that is there's something about Mary,

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and they get it to a studio who's excited about

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making it, and it ends up in what we call

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development hell right, the studio has its own ideas about

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how things should go, and basically they develop it into

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a terrible script instead of a wonderful script, and it

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goes nowhere for years. Fortunately, before all of that happened,

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when they had their original script, they showed it to

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a couple of friends of theirs named Bobby and Peter Fairly,

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and so years go by. They finally, after I think

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it was eight years, they finally get their script back.

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It had been in development hell for that so that

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puts it at nineteen ninety six. They get it back,

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they're trying to figure out what to do with it,

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and happen to run into the Faarilies again, who go, hey,

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whatever happened with that script that you were writing? And

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they said, well, it never got made. We actually just

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got it back, and they said, we would love to

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make it awesome, and so there you go. And so

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they gave it to the Fairlies. The Fairlies worked their

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own magic on it, and they did tons of work,

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including that introductory scene, which is key. It is key

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to the success of that movie.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about that for a second, because I

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heard the same thing. Kingpin in ninety six was the

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fall up to Demon Dummer. I mean, it's not a sequel,

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but it was their next.

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Speaker 1: Movie, next movie for the Pharilans.

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Speaker 2: It didn't do very well.

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Speaker 1: It did I didn't like it.

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Speaker 2: Did you like it?

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Speaker 1: I still haven't seen it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it didn't do as well obviously, and so

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when they were working on there something about Mary. They're like, listen,

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this may be our last movie, so we're putting every

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amazingly funny thing we can possibly think of and cramming

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it into this movie. They were talking to their mom, actually,

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and their mom reminded them of an event.

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Speaker 1: Their mom Mary, their mom Mary.

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Speaker 2: Who if you'll notice the main woman in Demon Dummer,

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her name is Mary, and obviously there's something about Mary.

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But she reminded of an event way back when when

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her sister had a party at their house and one

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of the young men got his privates means and franks

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that means caught in the zipper, and their dad was

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a doctor and he had to go in and help

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this kid. Yeah, and they laughed, they said, they laughed

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at the recollection of that story so much. They're like,

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we have got to put that in. Okay, So let's

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talk about casting for Dumb and Dumber real quick.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: We talked about the list of twenty five names that

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if they could get any one of those names then

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they would do the movie, but unfortunately they all rejected it.

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So me, being curious, I want to know the names

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on that list, right, So here are some of the

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names that I came across Nicholas Cage and Gary Oldman

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was the first choice pairing.

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Speaker 1: Nick Cage would definitely take the risks. I could see

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that Gary Oldman at that point had done very little

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that we know him for at this point, but he

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had done Rosenkrantz and Gildenstern Are Dead, which is kind

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of a two idiot but more like a Shakespeare two

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idiot kind of thing. I could see it.

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Speaker 2: He was Dracula, I know.

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Speaker 1: But when was that? Yeah? I guess so still.

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Speaker 2: Nick Cage, Gary Oldman, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: Here's some of the other names, Okay, yeah, Steve Martin

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and Martin Short, sure, Eddie Murphy and Mike Myers.

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Speaker 1: Ooh s greg yea interesting.

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Speaker 2: Rob Lowe was considered for the role of Harry. They

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really wanted Chris Elliott, the guy who played Woogy and

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There's something about Mary, And then they also considered Chris Farley. Yes,

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they briefly considered the two Corries, oh wow, until the

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studio said, look, dude, those guys are not bankable actors anymore.

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You can't have those guys, right. That was the absolutely

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right call.

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Speaker 1: My gosh.

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Speaker 2: So Lauren Hawley, she was a star of picket Fences.

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She had been in like soap operas and stuff like that.

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She actually turned down the role that Courtney Cox got

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in s Ventura.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so Jim Carrey knew her, was familiar with her.

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Speaker 2: Had an interest, tight little package affirmative.

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Speaker 1: Oh look at the fun bags on that one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, real quickly with the other members of the cast. Okay.

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Karen Duffy, she was on MTV a lot. They called

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her duff remember her. She played jp Sha. She was

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one of the early fans of this script. And the

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only part they had was the hit man.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, which.

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Speaker 2: Was originally supposed to be a male character. But they're like,

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what what the heck. Charles Rockett, who plays Nicholas Andre, Yes,

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he was the guy if you remember, he said the

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F word on Saturday Night Live in like in the

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seventies and was fired from Saturday Night Live. Okay, so

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that's kind of what he was known for. Harlan Williams,

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who plays the motorcycle police officer, Yes, and also the

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hitchhiker in There's Something About Mary. Yes, he finished second

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for the role of Harry.

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Speaker 1: I could see him in the park. Yeah, he's got

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the he's got the right dumb like if you've seen

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Half Baked, he's he's got the ability to play stupid

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pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Well, according to the Fairly Brothers, he's impossible to direct.

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So they said, look, this is how we wrote it,

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this is what we want you to do. It doesn't matter.

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He's going to do it however we wanted to. So

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they were kind of glad that they didn't land him, right,

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but they said, well, you know, we got this role

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of the highway patrolman who drinks urine out of beer bottles. Right,

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I'll take it, sticking.

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Speaker 1: Them back on a little grandpa's cuff, sir.

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Speaker 2: You feel is aware that drinking alcohol have an open container.

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Speaker 1: Mom Yes, and young Frankenstein and a slew of.

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Speaker 2: I mean everything. Yeah. One person that I wanted to

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mention real quickly is cam Neely. Cam Neely is a

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professional hockey player played for the Boston Bruins.

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Speaker 1: He's Sea Bass.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, and so they have a knack of

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putting in professional athletes in their movies, right right, real quickly.

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Sea Bass is the guy who chases them across the

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country and is the guy who's going to distribute the

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manly love and the the stall in the bathroom real

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quickly on that scene. Right, So that scene is so

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frigging funny, But they pump the brakes just enough for

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my taste.

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Speaker 1: You mean they pump the brakes right when you see

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his leopard print underwear.

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Speaker 2: The deleted scene of his leopard print underwear and his yeah,

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I mean his you can see his package there. So anyway,

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when you're watching with your kids, they kind of are

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under the assumption that maybe he's just gonna get beat up.

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Speaker 1: Sure, because of these two movies, there's only one that

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you can watch with your kids. And even still, there

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might be some scenes that you have.

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Speaker 2: To fass that's true.

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Speaker 1: Like I fast forward through most of the heart shape

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hot tub scene and Caleb Cock going, there's nothing inappropriate here,

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There's nothing, And I'm like, you just don't know, and

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I'm not wanting to have you figured out and me

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and explain it to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Really, yeah, some of Little Philly break your heart. No,

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it's a girl. Okay, let's talk about casting for something

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about Mary sounds great.

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Speaker 3: Run.

474
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,279
Speaker 2: So when the Fairly Brothers were casting before, there's something

475
00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:08,240
about Mary. They immediately thought of Jim Carrey for the

476
00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:08,799
role of Ted.

477
00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:09,279
Speaker 1: Right.

478
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,799
Speaker 2: He had done great and he was a full blown

479
00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:14,440
movie star. Yes, I mean a full blown movie star

480
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,480
from nineteen ninety four. The Mask was a number one movie.

481
00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:19,799
A Spentura was a number one movie, and Dumb and

482
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,839
Dummer was the number one movie. That's the first actor,

483
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,480
I think, to have three number one movies in the

484
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:26,000
same year. And he had actually worked with Cameron Diaz

485
00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:28,480
in The Mask, right, but I think at that point

486
00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:30,039
it was a little bit too expensive and he had

487
00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:32,079
all kinds of other things going on, so they said,

488
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,759
let's get this guy Ben Stiller.

489
00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: Now, at this point, ben Stiller had done a lot,

490
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:40,200
but hadn't done anything big. So I was talking to

491
00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:43,160
Arlen on the way over here today. Actually he called

492
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,640
me up. We're talking and I talk about what we're

493
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,559
going to talk about the night, and he's like, oh,

494
00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,200
are you going to talk about the Ben Stiller Show?

495
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,440
And I'm like the what. He was like, Yeah, he

496
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,200
had a show. It was like the Ben Steller Show.

497
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,000
And he tells me about this episode that he's seen

498
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,480
and I'm like, no, I didn't even know that was

499
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,680
the thing. He's like it was only like two episodes.

500
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,319
You know, I think he's speaking hyperbole. No, there were

501
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,039
literally two episodes of Ben Stiller Show and that was it.

502
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: Wow.

503
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: And then he goes on and he does like some

504
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:12,319
serious roles. He does like reality bites just before this,

505
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,160
and he was kind of building. But there's no question

506
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,079
that this was a breakout role for him.

507
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,559
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. You know John Stewart, they thought about him

508
00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:22,319
as the role of Ted.

509
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I could see that same type of deal. Sure. Yeah.

510
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: So the Fairly Brothers come to the studio they say,

511
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,920
we want Ben Stiller, right, and the studio says, I

512
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,680
don't think so this this guy is unproven, he hasn't

513
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,759
really done anything. We don't really know him. Go back

514
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:37,920
to the drawing board. So the Fairly Brothers come back

515
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,599
and say, well, okay, we want this guy named Owen Wilson.

516
00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:43,960
They're like, wait a minute, now, we really don't know

517
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:46,839
this guy. Yeah, so let's go back to Ben Stiller, right,

518
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,319
And so that's how they landed on Bill Still.

519
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they would have been happy had

520
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:53,200
they gotten Owen Wilson. And interestingly, Owen Wilson and Ben

521
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,160
Stiller have done a few things together.

522
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: Since then, Yeah, they have.

523
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: But they were in love with the movie Bottle Rocket,

524
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,400
which was Owen Luke Wilson's first movie. It's great movie,

525
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,720
and in watching the movie they saw something where you're

526
00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:08,400
starting in one direction, then all of a sudden, there

527
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:11,839
is a sharp turn and you're going in an entirely

528
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,720
different direction. And that inspired them in their script writing,

529
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,680
and that, I'm sure is why they proposed Owen Wilson

530
00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:22,079
is an alternative. When they do a script, they say,

531
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,319
we don't want to know what happens at the end,

532
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:26,759
because if we know what happens at the end, somehow

533
00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:29,640
it's going to come through to everybody else. And so

534
00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:32,480
we leave the end open and decide what it's going

535
00:25:32,519 --> 00:25:33,359
to be when we get there.

536
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,799
Speaker 2: So they said, let's go back to Ben still. Okay,

537
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,359
they were in love with Cameron Diaz.

538
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: Duh, I mean, who who's not? Right?

539
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:41,839
Speaker 2: Then they had to cast the role of Pat Healy.

540
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:44,519
So they thought Bill Murray perfect. He had just done

541
00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:46,799
King Ben right, and they thought, let's get Bill Murray

542
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:48,839
in here. But they thought he was too old, right,

543
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,680
and he probably was, yeah he was. So they talked

544
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,960
about Hanka's area. They talked about QB. Goodding Junior and

545
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,960
Vince baughn. But here's the kicker. Cameron Diaz. She's on board.

546
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: You know her Her boyfriend is this guy from the eighties.

547
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Matt Dylan.

548
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: Matt Dylan.

549
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: People don't realize this. Karon Diaz and Matt Dillon had

550
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:09,640
dated for like three years.

551
00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they broke up.

552
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:15,559
Speaker 2: They broke up right after this movie. So I just

553
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,279
find that interesting. They were a couple and they were

554
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,480
really in love. And I read some stuff and he

555
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:23,119
said basically he lived in New York, she lived in

556
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,680
la It ran its course and it was dead.

557
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: Huh. So just real quick, I got to say this

558
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,920
since we're on Matt Dylan. Yes, the interest scene of

559
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,599
Pat Healy where he stands up and his pants are

560
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,680
and that was Matt Dylan's idea, as was the mustache.

561
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,599
And I think the mustache is perfect. If Matt Dylan

562
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,279
plays this part without the mustache, he's too appealing.

563
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: He's still good looking, yes.

564
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,759
Speaker 1: But you give him that Pencilton porn stash and now

565
00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:49,359
he's creepy.

566
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: So Chris Farley was actually considered for the part of Warren. Yes,

567
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:58,920
that's Cameron Diaz's brother. Yeah, he's middlely challenged, and he's

568
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:08,599
the guy who runs around my gosh, and and in

569
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,640
time he touched his ears, he goes crazy.

570
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:14,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Warren is actually a contribution by the Fairly Brothers

571
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,640
to the to that original script. He wasn't in the

572
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,319
original Ed Decker John Strass script. Warren is actually based

573
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,480
on a real person that the Fairly Brothers grew up with,

574
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:28,519
whose name was Warren. Okay, and he makes an appearance

575
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,200
in the movie. You remember in the movie when Cameron Diaz,

576
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,960
when Mary is handing out lunches to all of the

577
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,480
special needs works, the guy who leans in and gets

578
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:40,240
and steals a kiss from her, that's the real Warren.

579
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: All right, that's cool.

580
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

581
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,559
Speaker 2: One of the other things I want to talk about,

582
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:45,920
casting wise, Markey Post.

583
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So Markey Post is a perfect cast for that

584
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,079
part because she's as much a Mary as Mary. I mean,

585
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:52,960
she's totally you.

586
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: Could major babe from the eighties.

587
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: Very much, and and nailed the part with the back

588
00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:02,039
teene and all of it, and trying to ask about

589
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:08,279
whether it was the beans or the Franks with the hand. Yeah. Yeah, Anyway,

590
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:12,079
there are a couple other interesting casting things that happened,

591
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,559
okay with this movie, and they relate back to dumb

592
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,640
and Dumber. Okay, first, let me say in the movies,

593
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,440
all of the extras are friends of the Fairly Brothers.

594
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:22,079
Speaker 2: I love this.

595
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,599
Speaker 1: I like, I mean, like you just you see people

596
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,880
in their movies that are extras, and I guarantee they

597
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,240
either grew up with them, or they're related to somebody

598
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,799
that grew up with them, or who's involved in the

599
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,079
movie or their crew or something like that. Just as

600
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,960
an example, you'll remember the guy in the jail cell

601
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,200
as they're closing the door, the guy with long hair

602
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,839
and the mustache, the old man. It's Cameron Diaz his dad.

603
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: That's her real dad.

604
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:45,119
Speaker 1: Yes, like their parents are in the movie. They've got

605
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,559
all kinds of friends from high school and stuff in

606
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:48,079
their movies.

607
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: But I thought that was an exaggeration, Like I thought.

608
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,200
I read that, and I thought, okay, you know, they've

609
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,359
got some friends scattered out when they're at the bar.

610
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,039
I watched the commentary and the Fairly Brothers are like, well,

611
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,359
that's Jim Smith, and that's Betty Lou Johnson, and then

612
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,920
they named everybody in the background.

613
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,839
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they're literally throughout the commentary, they're like, oh,

614
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,039
that's that guy that grouped down the street from us. Yes,

615
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,000
and so they also tend to stick with the same actors,

616
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:13,920
and so just I'll give you three examples and I'll

617
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:19,000
hopefully end with the best. So Dom's wife his wife,

618
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,880
which I mean, my gosh, we're talking about dream wife

619
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:28,319
number one. Right, I'm gonna make some cookies, butterscotch chocolate chip.

620
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,319
And then when the news article comes on, I'm not

621
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:34,400
going to describe what happens. But anyway, so that she

622
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,480
she was actually the wife of one of their producers.

623
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,160
She was in the She was in Dumb and Dumber

624
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,279
as one of the waitresses.

625
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,079
Speaker 2: Yes, not Flow, the other one.

626
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: Right, excuse me, Flow. Detective Stabler was the bartender in

627
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:58,319
Dumb and Dummer. Yes, and here's this one. See if

628
00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:00,240
you know this mag.

629
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:06,799
Speaker 2: That's missus Noogie Berger from Dumb and Dummer newborn new

630
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,680
born born, Okay, missus Niggieberger.

631
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: Yes. So do you know who else? She was in

632
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,279
one of the Fairly Brothers movies. No, she was the

633
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,079
land lady in Kingpin.

634
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:19,279
Speaker 2: Oh.

635
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:22,119
Speaker 1: When we were talking on the phone about Kingpin, I asked,

636
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,799
you did anybody steal that movie, you said, Bill Murray,

637
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,599
I think a lot of people might say the Landlady

638
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,920
stole that. Yes, So the land Lady is the dog

639
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,720
lady in Dumb and Dummer. She is the land lady

640
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:39,319
in Kingpin, and she is Magda, the constantly scanning the

641
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:43,640
airwaves for indecent folks, roommate of Cameron Diaz.

642
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: The one who, if you'll remember, was there spying on

643
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,119
Cameron Diaz. He turns us back to get a bigger

644
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,799
pair of binoculars as Karendiaz is changing clothes and accidentally

645
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,680
sees Magda with her top off, ands like yeah.

646
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that lady actually is it pretty nice?

647
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: She's a great that's all fake.

648
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:03,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in her mid forties at the time they're

649
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:05,960
filming all this stuff, so not the hag that they

650
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:06,799
presented her to be.

651
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:11,279
Speaker 2: Quickly, they wanted to cast a professional athlete, as Karon

652
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:12,880
die is his former boyfriend.

653
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: Right.

654
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:16,839
Speaker 2: They mentioned Brett several times in the movie Brett and

655
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:18,799
they even call him the pac Man at one.

656
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: Point, right, Green Bay Packers.

657
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:23,039
Speaker 2: Who they really wanted was Steve Young. Okay, he was

658
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:25,640
the quarterback of the forty nine ers, right, he's a

659
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,480
pretty religious guy. He's a practicing Mormon, and when he

660
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:31,759
read the script he's like, guys, I can't do this right.

661
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,000
Funny but no, So then they thought let's do Drew Bledsoe.

662
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,279
He was the quarterback I think at the Patriots at

663
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:40,599
the time. For whatever reason, didn't work out with him,

664
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,920
and so they got Brett farv FIV, which that was

665
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,599
Ben Stieler. Yes, Ben Stiller is a sports fan. He

666
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,440
knew the proper pronunciation of Brett Farre's name. Yes, but

667
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,799
he's like, wouldn't be funny if I mispronounced his name?

668
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: Who had done that right?

669
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,559
Speaker 2: It's a weird spelling, a weird spelling. So that does it?

670
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,160
With casting for something about Mary?

671
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

672
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: One of the things I forgot to mention and wanted

673
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240
to talk about during Dumb and Dummer. Kind of the

674
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,680
plot of the movie is revolving around the kidnapping of

675
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:17,680
Mary's husband. His name is Bobby. Yeah, okay, and they

676
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,759
had some scenes written with him. There's a funny deleted

677
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:22,240
scene where he's in a trunk and they throw it

678
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,480
down the stairs and they poke in with a broom

679
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:29,119
and they actually he's actually escaping. You see the trunk

680
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,559
like scooting away and they have to go grab him anyway.

681
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,759
That guy was played by another actor. They wanted Mel

682
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:38,960
Gibson to be in that part. Okay, at the time,

683
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,839
you think about Mel Gibbson in nineteen ninety four of Me,

684
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,039
he's like America's hunk.

685
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: Right.

686
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: They wanted her husband to be such an unattainably good

687
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,079
looking guy to minimize the Lloyd's chances even more.

688
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: Right, So you're saying there's a chance, yeah, just real

689
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,200
quick on that. Yes, as I did my own segue there.

690
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,359
It's interesting both of these movies. There are lines and

691
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,119
scenes that are absolutely hysterical, and there are lines and

692
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,279
scenes that are not hysterical, but they're the most memorable,

693
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,880
Like they stand the test of time. Like I didn't

694
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,640
laugh at that line, but everybody said, yes, still say it,

695
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,240
they still say. So you're saying, there's a chance that

696
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,759
it's those lines weren't laugh out loud lines, but they

697
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:25,960
are lines that stand the test of time. And so

698
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:28,240
I got to say that's some that's some good writing.

699
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,039
The Fairly Brothers, it's very easy to throw them in this.

700
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:34,279
You know, they're just crew disgusting humor guys, and that's

701
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,920
how they've made their millions. But the truth is their

702
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,640
movies would not have been what they were if there

703
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,519
wasn't a heart.

704
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely part of these movies, huge, huge part.

705
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,079
Speaker 1: So growing up, their favorite their favorite TV show was

706
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:51,319
The Andy Griffith Show, and what they loved about it

707
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was number one, it was funny, it's always you're always laughing.

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But number two, there was always heart. You loved the

709
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characters that were involved. And so that's what they try

710
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,160
to do for each of their movies. And so, just

711
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,759
as an example, if you think about Dumb and Dumber, right,

712
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,519
You've got one scene that you're just going once you

713
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,639
rewatch it, you're like, why am I watching this? What's

714
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,320
going on? Here? Is the scene where Lloyd is trying

715
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,639
to convince Harry to go across country with him, and

716
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,920
Harry's out and then Jim Carrey gives this very dramatic

717
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,599
he's got the dramatic music playing and he's just, you know,

718
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,199
I'm just tired of being alone, you know, And it's

719
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,840
this really kind of moving moment. They hug and Harry

720
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,440
is like it's okay, it's okay, and then he's like, okay, that's.

721
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: Enough and he's like boohooing into his shoulder. Yeah, yes,

722
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,280
but you're right, that's he's very touching. He says, you know,

723
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,239
I'm sick and tired of eking my way through life.

724
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,280
I'm sick and tired of being and nobody, but most

725
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,320
of all, I'm sick and tired of having nobody.

726
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

727
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,519
Speaker 2: And it like pulls at the heartstrings, you know it does.

728
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: And so when the studio saw that, they're like, what

729
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,199
the crap is this scene doing in here? Why do

730
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,239
you have this? This is absurd? We take this out.

731
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And the Fairly brother said, listen, in two minutes, this

732
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,960
guy is going to be selling a dead, headless bird

733
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,480
to a blind, crippled boy. You have to like him

734
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,800
in order to not hate him in two minutes, right,

735
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,800
And so that's why the scene's in there. You think

736
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,719
about that first hysterical eighteen minutes of there's something about

737
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:29,079
Mary everything he is heavily you fall in love with

738
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,000
Ben Stiller during that time period.

739
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: He brought Warren of Baseball right, like he's a good

740
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,440
hearted guy. He had already protected him on the schoolyard,

741
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:38,280
not even knowing who he was, right.

742
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,599
Speaker 1: And just that moment when you've got this obviously geeky guy.

743
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:43,800
I mean, it's a little weird that you've got thirty

744
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,800
something year old actors playing high school students. But if

745
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,880
you start off your movie with a guy playing a

746
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,079
guitar and another guy playing a drum in the top

747
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,400
of a tree, you're willing to suspend your belief quite

748
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,800
a bit, right. And so you see Ben Stiller in

749
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,519
this ridiculous way, with these ridiculous braces on, and you're like,

750
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:04,679
I'm okay with that. Let's keep on going, right, And

751
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,159
then he defends Warren without knowing that it's Mary's brother.

752
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:11,039
They walk home, You're already in love with her because

753
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:13,719
she's talking about the forty nine ers. And then at

754
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,239
that moment where she asked him to the prom, and

755
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:24,000
you're like, okay, this goddess just asks this toad. You

756
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:26,480
fall in love with him, right. You're rooting for the

757
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,320
guy who has no hope. And then they followed the

758
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,400
best moment in his life with the worst moment in

759
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,960
his life and he messes it.

760
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: All on we got a bleeder?

761
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,679
Speaker 1: How are you not going to root for that guy

762
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,559
throughout the whole moment.

763
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, and I think that's why

764
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,800
Dumb and Dumber two was not as good. I thought

765
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,760
the characters were. Even though there's still Lloyd and Harry

766
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:48,679
and it's still Jeff Daniels and Jim Carrey, they were

767
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,480
a bit more mean and it was less hard and

768
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,440
more over the line, Humer, you know what I mean.

769
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see it anyway. Did you see Dumb

770
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:57,440
and Dumber Earth?

771
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:01,559
Speaker 2: Yes, there's one funny scene in the prequel one, and

772
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,679
it's how Harry Lloyd meet. Yeah, and they're both running

773
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,239
and they come around the corner at the same time

774
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,559
and they run into each other and Harry knocks out

775
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:12,920
Lloyd's chips his tooth and it's in his forehead.

776
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: Oh, that's hysterical.

777
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: So that's how he gets his chip tooth. Yeah, Which

778
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,360
that part was the only funny part in that movie.

779
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,880
But let's talk about that for a second.

780
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,159
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey actually took a chisel and knocked out part

781
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,000
of his No, I'm kidding, he didn't really do that.

782
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:26,360
He already had lost the tooth.

783
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: He had already chipped his tooth.

784
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: When he was a young man and had a some

785
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,079
sort of cap on there. And so for the movie,

786
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,840
he had them remove the cap in order to give

787
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,280
him the kind of snaggle tooth.

788
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: Look. I heard that he removed it himself with a

789
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,480
beer cap.

790
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a better story.

791
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,199
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is Jim Carrey's actual chip tooth. And

792
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,920
the bowl haircut was Jim Carrey's idea.

793
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: M hm.

794
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,039
Speaker 2: He said, let's give me the dumbest cut you can.

795
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,199
So they gave him the bowl cut. And then for

796
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:58,280
Jeff Daniels, they said, for the next while, don't cut

797
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,119
your hair, don't wash your hair, yeah, don't comb your hair.

798
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's perfect. So they're set to direct

799
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,000
Dumb and Dumber, Yes, the first movie they've ever directed.

800
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:13,320
And so at some point Peter Fairley, two weeks two

801
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,159
weeks before the movie's supposed to start filming, Peter Fairley

802
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:20,000
goes to this dinner and there's a British movie director

803
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,360
there sitting at the table with him. And if you're

804
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,880
not a director, you probably don't know what coverage is.

805
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,599
But that just means you do a whole bunch of

806
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:29,480
different cameras so that you know that you've got a

807
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,440
lot to work with in the editing room, right right,

808
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:33,679
And so he's talking to this British director and he's like,

809
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,559
so do you have you know I'm about to direct

810
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:37,519
my first movie. Do you have any advice for me?

811
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,800
And the director says, make sure you have plenty of

812
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,039
coverage and Peter fairly is like, what's coverage? And the

813
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,679
British director stands up and he calls his wife. He's like,

814
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,559
come over here, come over here.

815
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,599
Speaker 3: He's directing a film in twos and he doesn't know

816
00:38:52,639 --> 00:39:00,280
what covery that.

817
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,199
Speaker 1: He's totally freaked out. The day before they're supposed to

818
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:07,559
start filming, he won't get out of bed. Like Bobby

819
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:10,000
and other people are there. They're like, we got to

820
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,400
just go do He's like, no, we don't know what.

821
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,639
When we've gotten in over our heads, I don't.

822
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: Know what to do.

823
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,199
Speaker 1: But they got him out of bed.

824
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,039
Speaker 2: His older brother finally got him out of bed by saying,

825
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:28,199
you are one pathetic los no offense, no, no, you're taken.

826
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,559
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have to stop now. Unfortunately we're loving

827
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:35,000
what we're doing. But come back next week we'll have

828
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:38,639
part two of Dumb and Dumber Versus. There's something about

829
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:39,960
man moving or lose it.

830
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: Sister