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<v Speaker 1>Callaroga Shark Media. Hey, I am Jenny Mack with your

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<v Speaker 1>daily comedy. Hew's a cool article on cracked dot com

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch Hedberg's secret to comedy, he apparently told Kevin Nalin.

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<v Speaker 1>I started to delete stuff is what it comes down to.

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<v Speaker 1>I have jokes that have maybe three or fourth the

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<v Speaker 1>most punchlines, but I started to make it come down.

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<v Speaker 1>I figured out that one or two is the best.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the second punch line of the first punch

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<v Speaker 1>line works better than the third or the fourth. Hegburg

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<v Speaker 1>talked about performing in Ireland, saying I got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of food product jokes that I do. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>some of the food products don't translate and up to

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<v Speaker 1>the point now where I'll still do them regardless. Audiences

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<v Speaker 1>just have to be really hip to understand a food

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<v Speaker 1>product that is several thousand miles away from them. If

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<v Speaker 1>they only know their local food restaurants, you know f them.

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<v Speaker 1>Times have changed way back. Heedburgh said, I'm working very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get recognition. It takes so long. Man. I

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<v Speaker 1>got like a small percentage of recognition in the States,

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<v Speaker 1>but I decided to say f and I'm going to Ireland,

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<v Speaker 1>where I have no percentage. I like the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>I could basically go to zero and away and humbles you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like all I could do is impress them. Each

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<v Speaker 1>show is getting better, and I'll play all the countries

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<v Speaker 1>as long as they give me a chance to get better.

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<v Speaker 1>The first show will suck, but the seventh show will

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<v Speaker 1>be sweet. You know that's the bottom line. Hebburg passed

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<v Speaker 1>away March thirtieth, two thousand and five. Wow, twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>goes fast. The Chicago Defender spoke to Donnel Rawlings. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>A New Day wasn't my first special, but it truly

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<v Speaker 1>evolved my comedy. The first time I taped it, the

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<v Speaker 1>material was two tied to the pandemic. It featured COVID jokes.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't age well. Chappelle advised me to aim for

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<v Speaker 1>something timeless, so I took that feedback seriously. I rewrote

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<v Speaker 1>my material and refined my point of view, resulting in

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<v Speaker 1>a final version that could stand the test of time. Initially,

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<v Speaker 1>my special felt like a collection of jokes that needed

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<v Speaker 1>a clear beginning and personal perspective. However, I realized I

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<v Speaker 1>had to capture everything I needed at the moment. It

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<v Speaker 1>was my third attempt at the special recorded right after

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic, when audiences still felt its effects. While some

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<v Speaker 1>jokes may have been funny, didn't create a great special.

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<v Speaker 1>By listening to constructive criticism, I returned to the drawing

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<v Speaker 1>board a craft relatable and meaningful jokes To speak about Chapelle.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, our friendship means more to me than any

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<v Speaker 1>business relationship. While Chappelle's show helped boost my career, our

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<v Speaker 1>connection genuinely matters. We've been there so much together. He

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<v Speaker 1>was there when my son was born. We've attended weddings

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<v Speaker 1>and funerals, including Charlie Murphy's. Whether we're doing comedy or not,

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<v Speaker 1>He's one of my closest friends. Many people assumed I

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<v Speaker 1>must be upset about Chappelle's show not moving forward, but

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<v Speaker 1>my genuine concern was his mental state. He didn't often

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<v Speaker 1>share his feelings, making things uncertain regarding the Comedy Central situation.

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<v Speaker 1>When I ran into him a club in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to hug him and slap them, but felt

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<v Speaker 1>relieved because I hadn't seen him in a while. Monday

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<v Speaker 1>Man caught up with Russell Peters. He says, gotta keep working,

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<v Speaker 1>ex wives, you got baby, mamas, you got it all.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I hadn't accountant who I found out wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>doing his job properly, and now I'm paying the price

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<v Speaker 1>for it because I got to get out there and

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<v Speaker 1>hustle to pay the irs, which I thought he was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people on social media accused Russell of doing the

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<v Speaker 1>same formula again and again. Russell says, the people that

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<v Speaker 1>say that, don't come and watch me. If you do

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<v Speaker 1>see me, you'll see I do different material every night.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's a whole generation of com that are doing

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<v Speaker 1>my formula and making millions of dollars off it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay for them and not me. When he plays Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, I'm home, they get it, And when he

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<v Speaker 1>takes a show around the world, he says, listen, you

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<v Speaker 1>should never talk about things you don't know about. Number one,

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<v Speaker 1>If you're going to another country and try to tack

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<v Speaker 1>their religious beliefs, of their government, or anything, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>definite no go. Even if you know something about it,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't do it. Jang Wang says he's pretty happy

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<v Speaker 1>with where he is in his career. He says, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have any big long term goals beyond just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what I'm doing right now. My goal right now

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<v Speaker 1>is just enjoy the ride. I feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even with this level of success, I'm dealing with more

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<v Speaker 1>things than I had to in the past in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of just simple things like marketing, or taxes or tax

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<v Speaker 1>withholdings from different countries, talk to Russell Peters, uh or

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<v Speaker 1>things I never had to think about too much beforehand.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I just really want to do what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing and enjoy it the whole time, you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>get too caught up with the business of these things. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's cool you have audiences along for the ride. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>what I find to be the most satisfying is writing

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<v Speaker 1>a new joke. You know, touring, having a fan base,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all great, and it's fun to do a killer show,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, really rocket for a whole hour in

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<v Speaker 1>front of an adoring fan base. For me, the most

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<v Speaker 1>satisfying thing is still just to write a new joke,

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<v Speaker 1>come up with a new bit, and have some new

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<v Speaker 1>insight about something. The Whitmer Daily News spoke to Brian Reagan.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, I don't adapt, I just do it the

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<v Speaker 1>way I like to do it. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>mistake to try and figure out what other people are

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<v Speaker 1>doing or what audiences are looking for. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do what I think is funny, and if there are

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<v Speaker 1>enough people out there who agree with me, then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be fortunate enough to have a career. The stuff I

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<v Speaker 1>think about doesn't really bump up too hard against anything

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<v Speaker 1>that's super controversial. I've never had it just accordingly. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>there are some jokes to avoid in today's world. And

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<v Speaker 1>since it's an article with Brian Reagan, they asked him

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<v Speaker 1>about clean comedy, and he said, for my side, we

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<v Speaker 1>never push out that I'm a clean comedian. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it is the wrong connotation. I feel like if

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<v Speaker 1>someone were to hear that word before they see what

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<v Speaker 1>I do, that put a connotation on that has nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with my comedy. It happens to be clean,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not the point of it. When people hear

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<v Speaker 1>clean comedy, they leap frog over to thinking, oh, he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make a point here, and it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I just enjoy doing it this way. Skyler Hickley is

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<v Speaker 1>one of Vulture's comedians You should and will know proudest

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<v Speaker 1>moment of your career so far. Listen to this. When

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<v Speaker 1>my former boss, Conan O'Brien pulled me aside and said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're by far the most talented person I've ever met. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean never mind people that Conan may have casually

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<v Speaker 1>met hosting his show, like Paul McCartney comes to mind,

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<v Speaker 1>but even the people that he's worked with that is

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<v Speaker 1>high praise. Skyler says, having been a staff writer for

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<v Speaker 1>The Onion and Conan, I do recognize that I've lived

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of gen X white guy's dreams. Being a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the end of Conan on TBS was very special.

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<v Speaker 1>Once he emailed me complimenting something i'd written, I emailed

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<v Speaker 1>him back, this is a big deal coming from you.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever since I saw Conan O'Brien Can't Stop when I

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<v Speaker 1>was fourteen, I've been a huge fan of jay Leto.

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<v Speaker 1>I was only there for the final season, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like taking a paddle boat out to the Titanic to

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<v Speaker 1>hop on it as it's sinking into the water. But

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<v Speaker 1>then you get to say you're on the Titanic, which

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<v Speaker 1>is legendary, and I got a nice little trophy, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what it's all about. Worst show ever I was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to do five shows in a weekend. I'd only

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<v Speaker 1>sold fifteen tickets total, but of course there'd be some

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<v Speaker 1>walk ins. The first show went better than I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good, but then there was the second show. I

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<v Speaker 1>bombed for forty minutes straight. The few handfuls of people

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<v Speaker 1>who did buy tickets at the door heck old made

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<v Speaker 1>high pitched bomb dropping noises after every punchline, and walked

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<v Speaker 1>out during the show, talking crap about how bad it

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<v Speaker 1>was and refusing to pay for their drinks. The club

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<v Speaker 1>canceled the rest of the shows that weekend, so I

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<v Speaker 1>spent the rest of the weekend in a hotel room,

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<v Speaker 1>depressed about my existence and truly resentful of how many

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<v Speaker 1>comedians would have also bombed that situation but would have

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<v Speaker 1>never been booked there. How to deal with the issues

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<v Speaker 1>of being an outliner? All right, what's your comedy opinion? Hill?

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<v Speaker 1>You'll die on? Higby said, The majority of older famous

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<v Speaker 1>stand up comedians should retire. They're not offering anything that

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<v Speaker 1>insightful or well written. What they accomplished was great, but

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<v Speaker 1>like with superstar athletes, there's a point where they simply

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<v Speaker 1>can't be good anymore. Imagine if Jordan kept playing for

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<v Speaker 1>the Wizards, but also every shot he made. How to

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<v Speaker 1>be about cancel culture or trans people another one. The

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<v Speaker 1>Internet has changed the value and form of comedy, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's become very easy to be creatively lazy, which is

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<v Speaker 1>strange since we have the tools to make things very

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<v Speaker 1>well the concept demand and not only write stand up

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. But what everything on social media makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel like I'm dumping more crap into a river

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<v Speaker 1>of crap. Comedy is simultaneously better and worse than it's

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<v Speaker 1>ever been, and there are a lot of Itmazingly talented

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<v Speaker 1>people could be making some great stuff given more opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>That is your comedy news for today. If you enjoy

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