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<v Speaker 1>To I thirty here fifty five or see the talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very happy Thursdays, last Friday, Eve. You love this

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<v Speaker 1>time of the week, and of course timing couldn't be better.

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<v Speaker 1>A man in very, very high demand. I heard media

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<v Speaker 1>aviation r expert Jay Ratliffin was seven hundred plus stations

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the nation. I bet you are in high demand. Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the show, my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the phone started ringing at like eleven o'clock last

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<v Speaker 3>night through the night, about every ten minutes for most

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<v Speaker 3>of the morning and the day. It's TV and radio stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a I wish it had been any other

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<v Speaker 3>topic because Brian, we've not had I've not had to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about a plane crash in the United States for

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I mean even brought that up and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like knocking wood here in my studio or knocking fur.

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<v Speaker 3>NC go too, and I'm sure a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>were frowning at me. But now you got to get

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<v Speaker 3>back to the Colgan Air crash. It was February of

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and nine. We had the crash in Buffalo

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<v Speaker 3>that killed forty nine passengers somebody on the ground, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's been We did have a passenger that died

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<v Speaker 3>on a Southwest flight we did have a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>people that died in the Asiana crash in San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 3>but for the most part, we've not had a plane

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<v Speaker 3>crash that we've ever had to talk about. And of

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<v Speaker 3>course that ended last night and the questions abound, and

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<v Speaker 3>obviously we'd have very very few answers. But what we

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<v Speaker 3>do know is that there is a very specific designated

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<v Speaker 3>visual corridor where helicopters are allowed to operate up and

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<v Speaker 3>down the Potomac River. So it's an area where if

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<v Speaker 3>you were a helicopter pilot, you are flying under visual

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<v Speaker 3>flight rules. You are required obviously of NonStop communication with

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<v Speaker 3>air traffic control, but you're also responsible for making sure

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<v Speaker 3>that you get adequate separation between you and other aircraft.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what visual flight rules dictate. You as the pilot

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<v Speaker 3>and command have to make sure that that is done.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the case, and that's what this military flight

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<v Speaker 3>was operating under. You then have the American Airlines Regional Jet,

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<v Speaker 3>which was a pas Say Airlines, which is based in Dayton,

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<v Speaker 3>is on their final approach coming in from Wichita, and

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<v Speaker 3>they've got sixty passengers on board crew of four. They're

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<v Speaker 3>going through their flight. You know, the last moments of flight,

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<v Speaker 3>the most critical moments of flight, as you and I've

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<v Speaker 3>talked about five hundred feet either taken off or landing,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot that's going on. They're very locked into every

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<v Speaker 3>specific little detail they need to have, and then all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, the two aircraft occupy the same area

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<v Speaker 3>at the same time. What we do know is that

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<v Speaker 3>air traffic control did reach out to the military aircraft saying,

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<v Speaker 3>do you have visual of the American Airlines jet? Now, Brian,

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<v Speaker 3>here's one of the many, many, mini, many questions I

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<v Speaker 3>have is that communication took place seconds before impact. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And my thought is, why do you ask a question

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to require a response for you then to

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<v Speaker 3>give evasive instructions when time is of the essence. That

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<v Speaker 3>should not have been a question me. It should have been,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, take evasive action or whatever they needed to

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<v Speaker 3>do to get that aircraft out the way. Because if

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a regional jet on final and I've got

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<v Speaker 3>a military black Hawk helicopter, I know which of the

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<v Speaker 3>two is going to be making the last minute maneuver.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be that military crew, right, because that's

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<v Speaker 3>the type of aircraft they're in and that's what it's

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<v Speaker 3>designed to do. Now, we don't know if there was

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<v Speaker 3>previous conversations with that military training flight. We don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what conversations, if any, were going on with the flight

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<v Speaker 3>crew of American Airlines. Now, I do know that they

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<v Speaker 3>communicate on different frequencies. When the military is talking to

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<v Speaker 3>the air traffic control, they use a VHF frequency. When

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<v Speaker 3>they're talking to pilots of commercial airlines, it's VHF, meaning

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<v Speaker 3>that the conversations that took place between that military black

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<v Speaker 3>Hawk crew and air traffic control would not have been

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<v Speaker 3>heard overheard by the American Airlines crew at all because

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<v Speaker 3>they were on a completely different frequency.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's video of it. It's almost impossible to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to watch, quite honestly, that helicopter Terrific just

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<v Speaker 1>straight line ran into the airplane.

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<v Speaker 3>And those aircraft are designed with this panoramic view for

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<v Speaker 3>all the obvious tactical reasons you would have on a

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<v Speaker 3>military aircraft, and so they can see everything around them.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem is that at night, especially if you're wearing goggles,

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<v Speaker 3>as many of them do, you've got all of these

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<v Speaker 3>lights because that is such a densely populated area, You've

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<v Speaker 3>got all kinds of things that are kind of competing

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<v Speaker 3>for your attention, so to speak, and the likelihood that

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<v Speaker 3>you might lose track of a nearby aircraft that's coming

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<v Speaker 3>in for landing bright as possible. And that's the reason

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<v Speaker 3>that I have to go back to air traffic control

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<v Speaker 3>because they see everything, and they're the ones that are

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately responsible for the management of that airspace and keeping

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<v Speaker 3>all of those planes safely apart and all those aircraft

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<v Speaker 3>and distance where there's not going to be any danger

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<v Speaker 3>to any of the particular airplanes or aircraft and their inhabitants.

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<v Speaker 3>And here we had passengers that were put at risk

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<v Speaker 3>and we don't know. In the National Transportation Safety Board,

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<v Speaker 3>who I'm a huge fan of, they will get to

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom of it. They will do their due diligence,

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<v Speaker 3>They will dig through everything. They will find out the

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<v Speaker 3>mistake or mistakes that were made. We will learn from it.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we will apply those mistakes. Well, hopefully they recommend

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<v Speaker 3>it to the FAA and it's up to them what

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<v Speaker 3>they do. But then we get to the point of

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<v Speaker 3>trying to implement those changes, because as you and I've

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<v Speaker 3>talked about in every accident. In your accident, you honor

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<v Speaker 3>the lives of those that were lost by making the

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<v Speaker 3>necessary changes so that you can prevent that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>do that here.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. It almost defies the odds that those two were

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<v Speaker 1>able to run in each other, concern the speed that

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<v Speaker 1>they were traveling, in the distance between the two, and

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<v Speaker 1>they finally impacted. I'm just in a state of disbelief

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<v Speaker 1>over the whole thing, Jay, So many many questions looming,

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<v Speaker 1>and some are suggesting there's no way this was an accident,

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<v Speaker 1>this was an intentional act, and you know, the rumors

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<v Speaker 1>starts swirling and are.

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<v Speaker 3>They well and they always do in a situation like this,

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<v Speaker 3>And sadly, with social media, it's a fertile ground for

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<v Speaker 3>what's going to take place, and there's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of transparency that's going to take place here,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm very confident that we're going to find out

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<v Speaker 3>what happened. I don't now. Look, anytime there's a crash,

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<v Speaker 3>the FBI is immediately involved because it's treated as a

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<v Speaker 3>crime scene until we determine otherwise. Now, it was pretty

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<v Speaker 3>clear here in the early ongoing that this was not

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<v Speaker 3>a criminal event, so the FBI could kind of stand down.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other issue is, you know, had any of

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<v Speaker 3>the debris fallen into the non river park. The concern

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<v Speaker 3>that we have from an investigative standpoint is people grab

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<v Speaker 3>souvenirs and sometimes parts of an aircraft are removed from

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<v Speaker 3>the scene. It's critical for the investigation. So not only

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<v Speaker 3>are you involved in a search and rescue, but you're

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<v Speaker 3>also making sure that any of the debris that falls,

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<v Speaker 3>as we have with the commercial airline when Columbia came down,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, any of these investigations that take place of

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<v Speaker 3>every single piece of information that they can have, and

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes the black boxes will tell the story. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 3>the wreckage that gives us the answers that we need.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why all of that is so critically important

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<v Speaker 3>in the early stages of all this, so that all

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<v Speaker 3>of that is contained, so that it's available for the

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<v Speaker 3>investigators as they need it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I guess I must observe out louds and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about it I don't think there's any question

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<v Speaker 1>in anybody's mind how this tragedy happened. Two aircraft ran

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<v Speaker 3>How many times have you and I talked about the

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<v Speaker 3>near misses we've had at other airports across the country.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I talk with pilots, they say, Jay, ask

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<v Speaker 3>any of us your top five list of airports you

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to fall into. Washington Reagan's always one of

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<v Speaker 3>the five, because it's a very difficult thing. Now, there's

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<v Speaker 3>one question here that I can't answer because it's outside

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<v Speaker 3>my lane. But I know that on that regional jet,

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<v Speaker 3>the Bombardier CRJ seven hundred, they have the t CAST system,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the traffic collision avoidance. Yeah, yes, But the

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<v Speaker 3>problem is that requires a like transponder to be on

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<v Speaker 3>the other airline.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't think well, in fact, I'm pretty pretty confident here

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<v Speaker 3>that's not the case. And the reason I'm confident is

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<v Speaker 3>because that t CAST system would have alerted American Airlines

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<v Speaker 3>flight crew of the presence of that aircraft, and you

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<v Speaker 3>would have seen in the video some sort of last

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<v Speaker 3>stitch moment movement, change of altitude, change of directions, something

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<v Speaker 3>within that crew, and we didn't see it on the video,

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<v Speaker 3>So that makes me think and again it's askedinine to

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<v Speaker 3>draw any conclusions at this point, but they really didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know what was taking place until they were right on

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<v Speaker 3>top of it, and that point it was it was

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<v Speaker 3>simply too late.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just hard to get my head around that. And

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<v Speaker 1>you might think that that system would not exist on

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<v Speaker 1>a military aircraft anyway, because that would allow others to

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<v Speaker 1>track where it is to get given times.

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<v Speaker 3>And we don't want that on our military aircraft. And

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<v Speaker 3>if that's the case, so be it. But that's one

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<v Speaker 3>of the reasons, because that was the question I had,

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<v Speaker 3>was would they have been alerted to this in any

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<v Speaker 3>sort of way from the systems that are on board

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<v Speaker 3>that state of the art aircraft and the Bombardier they're

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<v Speaker 3>the ones that made the fifty passenger regional jets that

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<v Speaker 3>we all were familiar with with Calm Air and the

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<v Speaker 3>CRJA seven hundred is simply just a larger version of

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<v Speaker 3>that Bombardier jet. So it's a great aircraft, state of

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<v Speaker 3>the art. Crews love to fly them, incredibly dependable, they've

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<v Speaker 3>got everything they need on them. But again that's dependent

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<v Speaker 1>And as of last reporting on this, let's say that

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<v Speaker 1>they found twenty seven of the bodies from the airline

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the helicopter. One from the helicopter, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's not gone full recovery mode. There is no no

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<v Speaker 1>one believes anyone survived. This so truly a tragedy.

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<v Speaker 3>Jay When you look at the video and you look

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<v Speaker 3>at what took place, the explosion that happened when the

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<v Speaker 3>two hit, it would be a miracle if anyone did survive. Now, look,

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen some of the most horrific plane crashes that

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<v Speaker 3>have happened where you would think nobody survived and there

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<v Speaker 3>were survivors. So there's always going to be hope. But

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<v Speaker 3>we're reaching that point where hope is running out and

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<v Speaker 3>there's always room for a miracle. Will never sell God

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<v Speaker 3>short on anything, you know that. But the bottom line

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<v Speaker 3>here is that it just appears as though that all

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<v Speaker 3>lives were lost, sixty four on the commercial jet and

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<v Speaker 3>then three that we know of on the military side.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I mean, and you think of the people,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm thinking of also the American Airlines agents that

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<v Speaker 3>are on the go team, because I was part of

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<v Speaker 3>family and we would work with that family through everything,

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<v Speaker 3>getting their family members in, helping them collect the remains,

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<v Speaker 3>all of the things that just are horrific to go through.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, those people are also being dispatched to

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<v Speaker 3>help out as well because they've got to help these

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<v Speaker 3>families that are going to be dealing with this not

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<v Speaker 3>only now but for years. And our family lost somebody

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<v Speaker 3>in a very public way. And when it's public, it's everywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>and that just makes it impossible to get away from, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and it just makes it even more difficult so often

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<v Speaker 3>for families to deal with. So, I mean, there's so

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<v Speaker 3>many people to pray for here, because it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>impact all kinds of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, ripple effect, it's profound unbelievable. Well, I wish we

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<v Speaker 1>had a lighter topic to talk about it in the

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<v Speaker 1>interest of adding some measure of lightheartedness, moving away from

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<v Speaker 1>the tragedy, Let's just talk real quickly about since I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're in high demand today, the ten year prison

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<v Speaker 1>sentence of man God, what happened on that one Jay?

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<v Speaker 3>This actually happened back in October. It was a man

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<v Speaker 3>that was running to a Delta American flight in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 3>And I understand, Brian, he was a very important individual.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't need to wait in lines, so he ran

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<v Speaker 3>to the front of the line past everybody, tried to

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<v Speaker 3>push his way through the gate to board his flight.

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<v Speaker 3>The poor gate agent is trying to explain to this

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<v Speaker 3>idiot who did have alcohol involved. He was just the

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<v Speaker 3>wrong gate. He was trying to get on the wrong plane.

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<v Speaker 3>So he is directed to the other one, which was

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<v Speaker 3>the correct one, and off he goes. He misses that

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<v Speaker 3>and beats up the person who told him that it

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<v Speaker 3>was the wrong gate, and other employees tried to get involved,

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<v Speaker 3>and they got Some of these folks couldn't come back

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<v Speaker 3>to work for several days, and he got to the

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<v Speaker 3>point where he is now facing up potentially a ten

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<v Speaker 3>year prison sentence and potentially a two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars five and I hope he gets both here's

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<v Speaker 3>here's my other aggravation. It's going to be negotiated down.

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<v Speaker 3>He'll be a fraction of each for both, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be allowed to fly on any other airline

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<v Speaker 3>he wants other than American airlines who will be banning forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do we allow people that are this violent to

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<v Speaker 3>fly on other US carriers after this happens. Shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>the case. And it's one of the things you and

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<v Speaker 3>I talk about so often.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen to that well real quickly, how delays I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>getting in and out of DC might be a little troubling.

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<v Speaker 3>Today, Yeah, a lot. With all the obvious flight activity

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<v Speaker 3>in that area, we're seeing delays there, and really the

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<v Speaker 3>Northeast for the next maybe forty eight hours is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be problematic because the conditions are only going to

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<v Speaker 3>decrease over the next two days. So if you're scheduled

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<v Speaker 3>to fly too or through anywhere in the Northeast, by

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<v Speaker 3>all means, make sure the airlines have a way to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Ahold of you. Appreciate the sound advice and the information,

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Ratliffe, and off to your next appointed call, because

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<v Speaker 1>I know they're lined up around the corner with you today. Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Of sadly heads and stopped ringing. And I just wish

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<v Speaker 3>we had something fun to talk about because I miss

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<v Speaker 3>our fun conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll do it next week when the dust is settled

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit from this tragedy. God bless you, Jay Ratler.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for the time you spend my listeners with me

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<v Speaker 1>every Thursday. I'll look forward to next Thursday already. Invest

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<v Speaker 1>to health, you in your better half.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh take care brand Take Care eight forty four to

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<v Speaker 1>right back after these brief words.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep your stupid mouth shut

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty five KRC