Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
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Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
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Speaker 1: Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of March seventeenth,
Speaker 1: we're continuing with Laws season two, episode thirteen, The Long Con,
Speaker 1: which of course is a Sawyer flashback episode, right, but
Speaker 1: I think also the somewhat rare episode in which the
Speaker 1: flashbacks not only reflected on the current action but told
Speaker 1: you what was happening, right Like, there's a long Con
Speaker 1: in the past, there's a long Con on the island
Speaker 1: right now, So did you have any idea that it
Speaker 1: was Sawyer behind the scenes with all of this, or
Speaker 1: did the long con lead you to expect a long con?
Speaker 2: I mean yes and no, you know at a certain point,
Speaker 2: probably later then that it should happen. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean the way that I mean, he did do a
Speaker 2: good con man's job of predicting, like, Okay, this person
Speaker 2: will do that, then this person will do that, then
Speaker 2: then Kate will go running to Jack, and then Kate
Speaker 2: will come running back to me.
Speaker 1: They say, is a little contrived, but no, these people
Speaker 1: are really entirely predictable, right the professional could like puppets, Yes.
Speaker 2: But I don't remember, like did we hear all this
Speaker 2: business about like you took my shaving cream and my
Speaker 2: all you know, my drugs and whatever else, Like I
Speaker 2: feel like I.
Speaker 3: Don't that was the first I heard of that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not that it really matters, but.
Speaker 1: I don't think he mentioned it before. I think he's
Speaker 1: I guess, been holding up.
Speaker 3: He's been saving that up.
Speaker 1: But I mean Jack was in his tent in this
Speaker 1: episode taking things out, right. So I mean, I suppose
Speaker 1: if somebody leaves on a raft and you know, they've
Speaker 1: got shaving cream and you need it might just borrow it.
Speaker 1: He's in a better piece going he's going home. He'll
Speaker 1: bring us back more shaving creams.
Speaker 3: Exactly, I think kind of what you need this.
Speaker 1: But if the guy comes back, you have to like
Speaker 1: sheepishly go and say hey, man here exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then you know, at the very end, once all
Speaker 2: is revealed, you know, Kate's like, it wasn't about the
Speaker 2: shaving cream. It was about you wanting everyone to hate you.
Speaker 3: Like we're back to the daddy issue.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes we are. And from a parenting point of view,
Speaker 1: this reminded me of behavior analysis, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: you go in with the assumption that most kids want
Speaker 1: to please adults, and so if they are not, what
Speaker 1: is causing that to happen. It's not that they're a
Speaker 1: bad seed, it's what are they getting out of this,
Speaker 1: right is? You know? So I did quite a lot
Speaker 1: of that my son in particular as a kid, and
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with the professionals that were taking everything
Speaker 1: up face value, right, you know, just tell them to
Speaker 1: stop doing that. It's like, well, why is.
Speaker 3: He doing that?
Speaker 1: What can we change in his environment that will therefore
Speaker 1: make him not need to do that anymore? So oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so Kate coming in with the behavior analysis. Although you know,
Speaker 1: he's very good at getting people to hate him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he told Charlie that he's just bad. He's never done
Speaker 1: a good thing in his life, Poor poor deep wounded Sawyer. Yes,
Speaker 1: everybody else on this island has had a perfectly happy life,
Speaker 1: no complications whatsoever, well loved as children, set up for
Speaker 1: success throughout their lives. And poor Sawyer, you know, it's like, buddy,
Speaker 1: get in line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, everybody's got something, my friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he is very good at getting people to
Speaker 1: hate him. He could not have done a better job, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like if you can't get them to love you,
Speaker 1: you know, at least people have a feeling. And poor
Speaker 1: Charlie is like, you know, in the the sub village
Speaker 1: of the damn to there with him, right, And so
Speaker 1: I guess you might as well throw in, yeah I
Speaker 1: hate me. He wants me to do some work for him.
Speaker 2: So yeah that Sawyer recognizes like, I mean, yeah, like
Speaker 2: someone lower down on the food chain, I can I
Speaker 2: can use this to my advantage for sure. Rough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Charlie mostly motivated by wanting to make Lock look
Speaker 1: look bad and and Sawyer's got to be at least
Speaker 1: partially motivated by wanting to make Jack look bad.
Speaker 3: So oh for sure.
Speaker 1: And Jack and Locke more than happy to.
Speaker 2: Play their roles that they've been assigned.
Speaker 3: Yes, good time. And this was.
Speaker 2: Another one that except for the very end, I grant
Speaker 2: you know, it's definitely a big deal that all the
Speaker 2: guns have been you know, relocated to a secret a
Speaker 2: secret stash. But other than that, there was nothing, you know,
Speaker 2: advancing any current time frame plot.
Speaker 1: But hey, they're able to get Glenn Miller on the
Speaker 1: radio right things to looking up.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, I'm just trying to tear you up. So
Speaker 2: it really says to said, like I found you a
Speaker 2: new toy, and there you go, said is not having
Speaker 2: don't need a new toy, leave me alone.
Speaker 1: All this all this weapon thing went off without me
Speaker 1: having anything to do with it, right, And so I'm
Speaker 1: just going to stand out here and hit coconuts. I
Speaker 1: could have hidden the guns for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got again, but Sawyer is not interested in working
Speaker 2: with said no, no.
Speaker 3: And vice versa.
Speaker 1: I would think king in the mountain for about five minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone loves Son.
Speaker 1: We learned that, Yes, yes, And oh I mean, Charlie, gosh,
Speaker 1: you better hope nobody ever finds. Yeah, someone, I mean,
Speaker 1: they have to figure that Sawyer has an accomplice because
Speaker 1: he wasn't.
Speaker 3: He wasn't there once you got hit, wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody had to have followed Lot to see
Speaker 1: where the weapons were. And I think he was talking
Speaker 1: to Kate when when Sun got he was and who else?
Speaker 1: Who possibly else could be Sawyer's accomplice.
Speaker 2: But Charlie, it's like it's like witnessing teer pressure among
Speaker 2: among children.
Speaker 3: You know, like as a.
Speaker 2: As a parent, you certainly don't want your kid to
Speaker 2: be the follower and the victim. No, but you also
Speaker 2: don't want them to be the instigator of the long
Speaker 2: con your.
Speaker 1: Cans in the bad kid and.
Speaker 3: Or your kid does things right, and.
Speaker 2: You also don't want them to be a bystander. So
Speaker 2: there's really no.
Speaker 1: You don't want your kid to be on this island
Speaker 1: involved with these people. Yeah, these people are all messed up.
Speaker 1: Not a healthy one amongst them, No afraid not. Did
Speaker 1: my kid get in this class?
Speaker 3: Take them out? Please?
Speaker 1: Why is my kid in the glass with all the
Speaker 1: troubled kids? Because I don't know he kidnapped a baby
Speaker 1: and really it's a dream. Yeah, he was sleep ord Charlie,
Speaker 1: Charlie will go with you overweight, the wind blows. But
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him. And oh lost Pedia informs
Speaker 1: me that when Sawyer and his accomplice were in a
Speaker 1: diner and placing their order, that was Kate's mall.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not recognize her. If it wasn't for life,
Speaker 3: I certainly wouldn't have known.
Speaker 1: I recognized her, but probably only because I had already
Speaker 1: read that. Yeah, so just apropos of nothing, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, she could have stayed by the table and
Speaker 1: chatted and said, oh, I have a daughter about your age. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's currently on the run from the law. If you
Speaker 1: see her out there, give her a rude.
Speaker 3: If you ever meet her on some weird island.
Speaker 1: Tell her, tell her mom's sorry. Tell her her mom says,
Speaker 1: you're a total screw up. Never come home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no matter what she's.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and isn't that meant to be like in
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere? You know, why is it that
Speaker 2: Sawyer was there? And if he was there, it hasn't
Speaker 2: come up in there like three months on the on
Speaker 2: the island that I was in this run.
Speaker 1: Well he went there to see his accomplice. I guess perhaps, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it does seem like they're.
Speaker 2: Well, they don't seem to ever talk about like, hey,
Speaker 2: where are you from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got more important things to deal with, like
Speaker 1: reading magazines and yes, you know, plotting insurrection.
Speaker 2: Oh we did learn that Sawyer lost his glasses on
Speaker 2: the raft.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bummer man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have another pair stash somewhere they can well.
Speaker 3: Remember they had the guns.
Speaker 2: They remember they had to fashion those glasses out of
Speaker 2: like two other pairs.
Speaker 1: Yes, they get him another pair of glasses. They could
Speaker 1: maybe uh bargain for some guns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so. You'd rather have the guns?
Speaker 3: He would rather keep the gun sounds for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh dear, horrifying and yet gratifying to see Sawyer pull
Speaker 1: that off, right, It's like he is not the dude
Speaker 1: you would want to have the guns. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: you know, he just played everybody.
Speaker 3: Like a fiddle.
Speaker 1: That was kind of delightful. People who are so full
Speaker 1: of themselves and so certain that they are, you know,
Speaker 1: the only hope of the castaways because of their decency
Speaker 1: and cleverness, and they're just you just have to just
Speaker 1: just a little tiny portion working against each other.
Speaker 3: So hahuh, goodness.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed Hurley's lime in the coconut joke went so
Speaker 1: far over saw You did know there was anything there?
Speaker 3: Yep? But it did not land for him.
Speaker 1: And Vincent made a brief appearance.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Do you think Vincent was in on the long con?
Speaker 1: Maybe so because distraction he was.
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe they they captured Vincent and like
Speaker 2: through anausage over by over by son, so that Vincent
Speaker 2: would go.
Speaker 1: After he or maybe Vincent's just thrown in with them,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like.
Speaker 1: He's been abandoned. Lucia chick killed the girl who was
Speaker 1: taking care of me, my boy, who knows nobody's going
Speaker 1: to look for him. Well, the dad went to look
Speaker 1: for him, but they left me behind. I could attract him,
Speaker 1: but no, everybody's abandoned me. So sure I'll be a takeover.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta have the dog on your side, you gotta. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he really did seem like he was part of the plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did, because he just comes and goes, just
Speaker 1: comes and goes and disappears and is anybody He's just
Speaker 1: a jungle denizen now I think so he's no longer
Speaker 1: a castaway. He's maybe he's another maybe the others recruited him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was the original you know, that was
Speaker 2: that dog food. That was the design of the of
Speaker 2: the Khan right to feel like the other were involved involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Somebody says the thing we're scared of most is missing
Speaker 1: an opportunity. I don't remember who said that, but I
Speaker 1: wrote it down because I thought, I think that's true
Speaker 1: parenting wise. You know, you want your kid to have
Speaker 1: the best of everything, and you want to make sure
Speaker 1: that you don't miss anything that they could do. And
Speaker 1: you know, some of us never want to miss an
Speaker 1: opportunity to volunteer and get ourselves into the school and
Speaker 1: find out what's going on. That is me for sure.
Speaker 1: So that anonymously delivered piece of wisdom had some parenting
Speaker 1: resonance to it too, and we look forward to seeing
Speaker 1: how this all plays out. In the next episode. Next Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we will continue with season two, episode fourteen of Lost
Speaker 1: One of Them, an episode I have been looking forward.
Speaker 1: Oh really, it only is the beginning of us. Certain
Speaker 1: I can't say anything. Okay, I don't know you, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you know the actors in the show,
Speaker 1: and anyway, okay, I'm looking forward to what this kicks off. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: all right them, We'll see you back here tomorrow to
Speaker 1: discuss a Man on the Inside. Thank you for listening.
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