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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of March seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Laws season two, episode thirteen, The Long Con,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course is a Sawyer flashback episode, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think also the somewhat rare episode in which the

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<v Speaker 1>flashbacks not only reflected on the current action but told

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<v Speaker 1>you what was happening, right Like, there's a long Con

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, there's a long Con on the island

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<v Speaker 1>right now, So did you have any idea that it

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<v Speaker 1>was Sawyer behind the scenes with all of this, or

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<v Speaker 1>did the long con lead you to expect a long con?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean yes and no, you know at a certain point,

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<v Speaker 2>probably later then that it should happen. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the way that I mean, he did do a

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<v Speaker 2>good con man's job of predicting, like, Okay, this person

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<v Speaker 2>will do that, then this person will do that, then

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<v Speaker 2>then Kate will go running to Jack, and then Kate

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<v Speaker 2>will come running back to me.

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<v Speaker 1>They say, is a little contrived, but no, these people

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<v Speaker 1>are really entirely predictable, right the professional could like puppets, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't remember, like did we hear all this

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<v Speaker 2>business about like you took my shaving cream and my

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<v Speaker 2>all you know, my drugs and whatever else, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't that was the first I heard of that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>not that it really matters, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he mentioned it before. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, been holding up.

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<v Speaker 3>He's been saving that up.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean Jack was in his tent in this

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<v Speaker 1>episode taking things out, right. So I mean, I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody leaves on a raft and you know, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got shaving cream and you need it might just borrow it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in a better piece going he's going home. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>bring us back more shaving creams.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, I think kind of what you need this.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the guy comes back, you have to like

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<v Speaker 1>sheepishly go and say hey, man here exactly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you know, at the very end, once all

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<v Speaker 2>is revealed, you know, Kate's like, it wasn't about the

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<v Speaker 2>shaving cream. It was about you wanting everyone to hate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we're back to the daddy issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes we are. And from a parenting point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>this reminded me of behavior analysis, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you go in with the assumption that most kids want

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<v Speaker 1>to please adults, and so if they are not, what

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<v Speaker 1>is causing that to happen. It's not that they're a

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<v Speaker 1>bad seed, it's what are they getting out of this,

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<v Speaker 1>right is? You know? So I did quite a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that my son in particular as a kid, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, dealing with the professionals that were taking everything

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<v Speaker 1>up face value, right, you know, just tell them to

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<v Speaker 1>stop doing that. It's like, well, why is.

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<v Speaker 3>He doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>What can we change in his environment that will therefore

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<v Speaker 1>make him not need to do that anymore? So oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so Kate coming in with the behavior analysis. Although you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's very good at getting people to hate him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he told Charlie that he's just bad. He's never done

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing in his life, Poor poor deep wounded Sawyer. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else on this island has had a perfectly happy life,

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<v Speaker 1>no complications whatsoever, well loved as children, set up for

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<v Speaker 1>success throughout their lives. And poor Sawyer, you know, it's like, buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>get in line.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, everybody's got something, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he is very good at getting people to

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<v Speaker 1>hate him. He could not have done a better job, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like if you can't get them to love you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at least people have a feeling. And poor

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie is like, you know, in the the sub village

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<v Speaker 1>of the damn to there with him, right, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you might as well throw in, yeah I

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<v Speaker 1>hate me. He wants me to do some work for him.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah that Sawyer recognizes like, I mean, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>someone lower down on the food chain, I can I

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<v Speaker 2>can use this to my advantage for sure. Rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Charlie mostly motivated by wanting to make Lock look

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<v Speaker 1>look bad and and Sawyer's got to be at least

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<v Speaker 1>partially motivated by wanting to make Jack look bad.

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<v Speaker 3>So oh for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jack and Locke more than happy to.

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<v Speaker 2>Play their roles that they've been assigned.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, good time. And this was.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one that except for the very end, I grant

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's definitely a big deal that all the

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<v Speaker 2>guns have been you know, relocated to a secret a

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<v Speaker 2>secret stash. But other than that, there was nothing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>advancing any current time frame plot.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, they're able to get Glenn Miller on the

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<v Speaker 1>radio right things to looking up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, I'm just trying to tear you up. So

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<v Speaker 2>it really says to said, like I found you a

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<v Speaker 2>new toy, and there you go, said is not having

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<v Speaker 2>don't need a new toy, leave me alone.

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<v Speaker 1>All this all this weapon thing went off without me

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<v Speaker 1>having anything to do with it, right, And so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going to stand out here and hit coconuts. I

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<v Speaker 1>could have hidden the guns for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, got again, but Sawyer is not interested in working

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<v Speaker 2>with said no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>And vice versa.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think king in the mountain for about five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everyone loves Son.

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<v Speaker 1>We learned that, Yes, yes, And oh I mean, Charlie, gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>you better hope nobody ever finds. Yeah, someone, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to figure that Sawyer has an accomplice because

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't there once you got hit, wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, somebody had to have followed Lot to see

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<v Speaker 1>where the weapons were. And I think he was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to Kate when when Sun got he was and who else?

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<v Speaker 1>Who possibly else could be Sawyer's accomplice.

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<v Speaker 2>But Charlie, it's like it's like witnessing teer pressure among

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<v Speaker 2>among children.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like as a.

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<v Speaker 2>As a parent, you certainly don't want your kid to

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<v Speaker 2>be the follower and the victim. No, but you also

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<v Speaker 2>don't want them to be the instigator of the long

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<v Speaker 2>con your.

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<v Speaker 1>Cans in the bad kid and.

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<v Speaker 3>Or your kid does things right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>You also don't want them to be a bystander. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's really no.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want your kid to be on this island

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<v Speaker 1>involved with these people. Yeah, these people are all messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a healthy one amongst them, No afraid not. Did

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<v Speaker 3>Take them out? Please?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is my kid in the glass with all the

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<v Speaker 1>troubled kids? Because I don't know he kidnapped a baby

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<v Speaker 1>and really it's a dream. Yeah, he was sleep ord Charlie,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie will go with you overweight, the wind blows. But

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for him. And oh lost Pedia informs

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<v Speaker 1>me that when Sawyer and his accomplice were in a

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<v Speaker 1>diner and placing their order, that was Kate's mall.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I did not recognize her. If it wasn't for life,

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<v Speaker 3>I certainly wouldn't have known.

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<v Speaker 1>I recognized her, but probably only because I had already

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<v Speaker 1>read that. Yeah, so just apropos of nothing, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she could have stayed by the table and

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<v Speaker 1>chatted and said, oh, I have a daughter about your age. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's currently on the run from the law. If you

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<v Speaker 1>see her out there, give her a rude.

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<v Speaker 3>If you ever meet her on some weird island.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell her, tell her mom's sorry. Tell her her mom says,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a total screw up. Never come home.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no matter what she's.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and isn't that meant to be like in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of nowhere? You know, why is it that

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<v Speaker 2>Sawyer was there? And if he was there, it hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>come up in there like three months on the on

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<v Speaker 2>the island that I was in this run.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he went there to see his accomplice. I guess perhaps, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it does seem like they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they don't seem to ever talk about like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>where are you from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they've got more important things to deal with, like

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<v Speaker 1>reading magazines and yes, you know, plotting insurrection.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we did learn that Sawyer lost his glasses on

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<v Speaker 2>the raft.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, bummer man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't have another pair stash somewhere they can well.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember they had the guns.

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<v Speaker 2>They remember they had to fashion those glasses out of

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<v Speaker 2>like two other pairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they get him another pair of glasses. They could

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<v Speaker 1>maybe uh bargain for some guns.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think so. You'd rather have the guns?

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<v Speaker 3>He would rather keep the gun sounds for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh dear, horrifying and yet gratifying to see Sawyer pull

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<v Speaker 1>that off, right, It's like he is not the dude

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<v Speaker 1>you would want to have the guns. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he just played everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a fiddle.

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<v Speaker 1>That was kind of delightful. People who are so full

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<v Speaker 1>of themselves and so certain that they are, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the only hope of the castaways because of their decency

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<v Speaker 1>and cleverness, and they're just you just have to just

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<v Speaker 1>just a little tiny portion working against each other.

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<v Speaker 3>So hahuh, goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed Hurley's lime in the coconut joke went so

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<v Speaker 1>far over saw You did know there was anything there?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep? But it did not land for him.

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<v Speaker 1>And Vincent made a brief appearance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think Vincent was in on the long con?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe so because distraction he was.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like maybe they they captured Vincent and like

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<v Speaker 2>through anausage over by over by son, so that Vincent

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<v Speaker 1>After he or maybe Vincent's just thrown in with them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's like.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been abandoned. Lucia chick killed the girl who was

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of me, my boy, who knows nobody's going

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<v Speaker 1>to look for him. Well, the dad went to look

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<v Speaker 1>for him, but they left me behind. I could attract him,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, everybody's abandoned me. So sure I'll be a takeover.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, gotta have the dog on your side, you gotta. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he really did seem like he was part of the plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he did, because he just comes and goes, just

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<v Speaker 1>comes and goes and disappears and is anybody He's just

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody says the thing we're scared of most is missing

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity. I don't remember who said that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wrote it down because I thought, I think that's true

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<v Speaker 1>parenting wise. You know, you want your kid to have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some of us never want to miss an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to volunteer and get ourselves into the school and

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<v Speaker 1>find out what's going on. That is me for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So that anonymously delivered piece of wisdom had some parenting

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<v Speaker 1>resonance to it too, and we look forward to seeing

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<v Speaker 1>how this all plays out. In the next episode. Next Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>we will continue with season two, episode fourteen of Lost

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<v Speaker 1>One of Them, an episode I have been looking forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, it only is the beginning of us. Certain

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say anything. Okay, I don't know you, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you know the actors in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>and anyway, okay, I'm looking forward to what this kicks off. Okay, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>all right them, We'll see you back here tomorrow to

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