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<v Speaker 1>Fifty five r C the talk station. Dan Carroll in

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<v Speaker 1>for Brian Thomas. Want to thank Daniel Turner for being here.

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<v Speaker 1>Always loved talking to that guy. I always enjoy having

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<v Speaker 1>this guy on too. The main man at the FOP

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<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati Fraternal Order Police as Ken Cober, and Ken

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<v Speaker 1>Cober is our guest this morning, and Ken Kober, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Always appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 3>Sir, Hey, good morning, Dan, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about this case.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why this case just bothers me so much,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, last week, on last Saturday night on

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<v Speaker 1>Short Vine, twenty five year old Kyle Merrick was standing

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<v Speaker 1>there apparently minding his own business when he was confronted

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<v Speaker 1>by some fifteen year old dude who accordingly, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you look at the video, it looks like this guy, unprovoked,

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<v Speaker 1>just pulled out a gun and stuck it in the

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<v Speaker 1>midsection of twenty five year old Kyle Merrick, who attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to run away. Turned out he had a weapon of

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<v Speaker 1>his own, turned in fire, and then he in turn

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<v Speaker 1>was shot by this fifteen year old. Now he's dead,

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<v Speaker 1>his family is in mourning. And Ken Kober, it certainly

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<v Speaker 1>appears that this fifteen year old had no business being

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<v Speaker 1>on the streets whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>Without a doubt.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's a senseless murder that absolutely could have

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<v Speaker 4>been prevented.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about some of the criminal history over the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days has started to come to light on

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<v Speaker 1>this guy. Can you tell us a little bit about.

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<v Speaker 4>That well, I mean it started at the age of

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen thirteen and obstructing official business, running from the police

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<v Speaker 4>recently escalated in November two in aggravated assault that was

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<v Speaker 4>involved with the shooting improper or improper transportation I believe

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<v Speaker 4>of a firearm and then discharging a firearm into a habitation.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the case that he should have been help for.

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<v Speaker 4>And unfortunately, on April second was released from EMU. They

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<v Speaker 4>had already let him out of detention, but they put

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<v Speaker 4>him on EMU, and they even released him from that

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<v Speaker 4>on April second, and then here's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a tragedy. I mean, this is not really

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<v Speaker 3>a surprise.

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<v Speaker 4>This is I mean the very the basis of things

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<v Speaker 4>that we see all the time. You know, little crimes

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<v Speaker 4>that turn into big crimes real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just me or does it seem like if

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<v Speaker 1>you have someone who is thirteen years old and they have,

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<v Speaker 1>between the ages of thirteen and fifteen, have sixteen separate

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<v Speaker 1>contacts with the juvenile court system here in Hamilton County.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just me or does that seem like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot or is that par for the course for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these kids that get involved in the juvenile system.

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<v Speaker 3>That is certainly in excess.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know a lot of these things would have

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<v Speaker 4>been prevented had there been actual consequences. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>on the first charge, the fifth charge, the tenth charge.

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<v Speaker 4>It's something that there's absolutely no accountability whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>So it doesn't surprise me that these kind of things

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<v Speaker 3>are happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me read to you a piece that I found

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<v Speaker 1>on the WLWT website. This is from May of last year. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>last month, three teenagers were arrested after a woman was

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<v Speaker 1>brutally attacked on a metro bus in Colerain Township. All

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<v Speaker 1>three teenagers were released from the Hamilton County Juvenile Detention

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<v Speaker 1>Center the same day. The same day, Juvenile Court Judge

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<v Speaker 1>Kerry Bloom says there's only so much the law allows

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<v Speaker 1>her to do. Quote, in juvenile court, we focus on rehabilitation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to include consideration of how do we make

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<v Speaker 1>sure the kid doesn't do this again, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>make sure we protect the community. You know, Ken Kober,

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<v Speaker 1>It's one thing to have a judge say something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It is another thing when to my way of thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>it is well within her power and her ability to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent these sorts of things from happening, but she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>lift a finger to make any of that happen. Simply

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<v Speaker 1>have these kids come in and then right back out

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<v Speaker 1>the revolving door. And in this case, for teenagers who

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<v Speaker 1>beat up a woman on a metro bus, they're out

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<v Speaker 1>on the street the exact same day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean we've seen this time after time after time.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, kids with gun charges, kids with violent felony

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<v Speaker 4>offenses that are letting right out. We're not talking about,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a kid that stole a bag of chips

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<v Speaker 4>from Kroger.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he's hungry.

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<v Speaker 4>We're talking about kids that are that are committing heinous,

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<v Speaker 4>violent crimes that are endangering the community, and they're let

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<v Speaker 4>right back out.

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<v Speaker 3>And this, unfortunately, is the end result.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I feel terrible for you know, the Myrak

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<v Speaker 4>family that they have to go through this, but they're

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<v Speaker 4>just the latest.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this happens time and time.

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<v Speaker 4>Again where we have kids that are victimizing people or

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<v Speaker 4>they're becoming victims of gun by themselves because the choices

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<v Speaker 4>they make because they're let out of the juvenile court system.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable. Ken Kobra, we got to get a quick break

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<v Speaker 1>in here. Can you hang around and I got a

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<v Speaker 1>couple more questions for you on the other side. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Ken Kober, stay right there and we'll continue

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<v Speaker 1>on with him on fifty five KRCV Talk stays. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty five KRCV Talk station, we continue our conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>the FOP president, Ken Kober and Ken Kobra. You know

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like this. This kid was on the fringes

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<v Speaker 1>of the system. We are talking about this kid at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of thirteen. He let's see, he was placed

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<v Speaker 1>on probation. He was let's see, he was found guilty

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<v Speaker 1>of attempted grand theft. He was on the property of

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<v Speaker 1>Procter and Gamble running from police. He was this stay

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<v Speaker 1>at the Ohio Department of Youth Services was suspended as

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<v Speaker 1>long as he fought. He was supposed to follow these

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<v Speaker 1>orders until he turned twenty one, but a few months later,

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<v Speaker 1>in November twenty four, arrested again accused of receiving stolen property.

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<v Speaker 1>He was on probation for the previous twenty twenty three offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Was in the Hamilton County juvenile system. Also in November

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<v Speaker 1>last year, in a case that is still pending, he

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<v Speaker 1>was charged with aggravated assault while in possession of a

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<v Speaker 1>gun and improperly discharging a firearm. So here's a kid

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<v Speaker 1>that is obviously showing all sorts of signs of trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>unable to follow the rules, obviously has no parental supervision,

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<v Speaker 1>and they find this guy is eligible to be released

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<v Speaker 1>and placed on GPS monitoring. Is how many cases are

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<v Speaker 1>like this in the juvenile system right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any idea?

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<v Speaker 4>Far too many. It happens every day. They're releasing kids

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<v Speaker 4>that are involved in gun violence. They're releasing kids that

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<v Speaker 4>are just carrying weapons, just stealing cars, you name it,

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<v Speaker 4>all the violent crime that's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty much, unless.

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<v Speaker 4>You murder someone as a juvenile, you're going to be released.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't we have people that can look at this in

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<v Speaker 1>any you know, so many times, you know, we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about government square and the bus situation down there, And

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<v Speaker 1>I saw peace today where the arrests are down fifty

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<v Speaker 1>percent in that area. So it seems to me that

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<v Speaker 1>when an effort is made, a good faith effort is

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<v Speaker 1>can start seeing some results. But for some reason, whatever's

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<v Speaker 1>going on in the juvenile system, and you've got these

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<v Speaker 1>kids who are serious offenders at the age of fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're you know, involved in stolen property and discharging

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<v Speaker 1>a firearm and things like that, that to me seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a serious thing. But yeah, we just sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, turn our heads at that and say, uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>put them on a GPS monitor. Does a GPS monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>system really serve any purpose at all? Does it really

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<v Speaker 4>Only for those that are interested in actually following the law,

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<v Speaker 4>because it's not something that's monitored twenty four hours a day, even.

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<v Speaker 3>Though it's on you you know, you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't have a probation officer sitting in a room,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, monitoring every GPS unit.

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<v Speaker 3>They just it's impossible. They don't. They don't have the

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<v Speaker 3>manpower to be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>It just doesn't happen to I understand that this same

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<v Speaker 4>juvenile was actually accused of cutting off his monitor once

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<v Speaker 4>before or as it was, so it's not surprising that

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<v Speaker 4>that things have escalated the way they have it.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so what's the issue is it the people who

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<v Speaker 1>make the decisions? Are is there not enough manpower to

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<v Speaker 1>follow up on the If it seems to me, if

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<v Speaker 1>someone cuts off a monitoring device, that should be uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that that should be cause to have

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, a probation officer, someone from the court,

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<v Speaker 1>may you know, make a visit to that individual you

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<v Speaker 1>and find out what's going on. Are are we not

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<v Speaker 1>able to do those sorts of things?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, ISSU is not not finding these kids and arresting

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<v Speaker 4>them issues keeping them, And it's these judges and magistrates

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<v Speaker 4>that are making the decision that we're not going to

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<v Speaker 4>keep these people. And unfortunately, this is what the the

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<v Speaker 4>citizens of Hamilton County voted for.

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<v Speaker 3>The Only way that we're going to have any kind

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<v Speaker 3>of change is the next election.

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<v Speaker 4>You find out what judges, you know, specifically these juvenile

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<v Speaker 4>court judges, which ones are going to support law and order,

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<v Speaker 4>community seriously, and those are who you have to vote for.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the only way that these these things.

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<v Speaker 3>Are ever going to change.

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<v Speaker 1>So this happened on short vine. Is this totally being

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<v Speaker 1>handled by UC police or our campus police involved in

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<v Speaker 1>this as well?

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<v Speaker 3>No, this is this is off campus.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the Sinciet Police department is investigating this homicide.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the ones that may be round Okay, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>I mean literally, it's what one two blocks away from

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<v Speaker 1>the campus that u se I didn't know if if

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<v Speaker 1>if you had a role in this or not.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a lot of college kids that live in

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<v Speaker 3>that area.

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<v Speaker 4>But this was solely the jurisdiction of the City of

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<v Speaker 4>Cincinnati's plice.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Ken Kober, is there any way to uh

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<v Speaker 1>to uh let people know about the amount of frustration

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<v Speaker 1>that that you have over issues like this? And what's

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<v Speaker 1>the what's the disposition of this kid right now that

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<v Speaker 1>he get hit? Is he is he in the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>recovering from an injury right now? What's the disposition of

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's my understanding.

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<v Speaker 4>He is in custody, but I believe he's being treated

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<v Speaker 4>for some injuries.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I'll end up at twenty and we'll see

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<v Speaker 3>how long he's.

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<v Speaker 1>There, all right, And then I mean, if is there

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<v Speaker 1>anything you want to say before we let you go

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<v Speaker 1>that that they can make any sort of difference in

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<v Speaker 1>this at all other than I mean you already talked

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, you got to pay attention to who

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<v Speaker 1>you're voting for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's the biggest question I get is, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>from citizens, from officers, the community is what can we do? Well?

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<v Speaker 4>The answer is what you can do is get out

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<v Speaker 4>and vote for people that are going to support law

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<v Speaker 4>in order. That's that's ultimately what this is going to take.

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<v Speaker 4>If you value safety in Hamilton County, you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>have to vote for a judge that supports law in

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<v Speaker 4>order and that that really really is the bottom line

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<v Speaker 4>is you have to pay attention to who these people are,

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<v Speaker 4>what they stand for, and make sure that you know

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<v Speaker 4>they align with safety in Hamilton County. That's the only

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<v Speaker 4>thing we're going to be able to get a safer county.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But if red flags like this sixteen contacts with the

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<v Speaker 1>juvenile system, uh, you know you've got receiving stolen property,

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<v Speaker 1>improper discharge of a firearm, possession of a firearm when

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<v Speaker 1>you're already under disability. If those sorts of things don't

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<v Speaker 1>raise red flags, what sorts of things do raise red flags?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, these are serious, These are serious offenses.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Well, you have to understand the magistrate that actually

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<v Speaker 4>signed off on releasing this juvenile from EMU was also

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<v Speaker 4>the same magistrate that told a child that ran from

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<v Speaker 4>Coleraine Townships Police Department that sometimes there is a need

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<v Speaker 4>just to get away from the police. So with that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of ideology, what do you expect. That's exactly what's

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<v Speaker 4>coming out of the juvenile court system.

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<v Speaker 2>For God's sake.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Ken Kober, as always, I appreciate the time,

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<v Speaker 1>keep up the great work and stay safe out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Brother. We'll talk to you again, saying I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks for having me, Dan Pick.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, there you go, Ken Kober from the FOP

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen contacts with the juvenile system, improper discharge of a firearm,

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<v Speaker 1>receiving stolen property. These are very very serious things. And

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<v Speaker 1>now this kid is again innocent until proven guilty. But

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<v Speaker 1>you've seen the video, looks like he actually you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is wound up being involved and is charged with murder

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<v Speaker 1>now of a twenty five year old guy, father and

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Merrick. It can only imagine the hell their family

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<v Speaker 1>is going through, and all because of some judge or

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<v Speaker 1>some magistrate who is just looking at this in the

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<v Speaker 1>completely wrong way. We got to get to a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas fifty five KRC, The Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty five KRC, The talk station you don't